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basketball team for the second straight week, extending its record with the program 149th appearance in the top spot. Duke, 27 and 2, has been dominant defensively since losing to North Carolina on Feb. 7, holding his past six opponents to an average of 57 points per game. The Blue Devils open the week by handing Notre Dame its worst loss since 1898, 100 to 56. Then Duke shut down Virginia on another route, crushing the Cavaliers to 77, 51, and on Saturday to clinch the top seed in the ACC tournament. Duke, 27 and two, their first with 55 votes. Arizona is second with four votes, 27 and two. Michigan is third, 27 and two. Yukon is 27 and three. Number four Florida is 23 and six. They're the five seed. And you got Iowa State, Houston, Michigan State, Nebraska and Texas Tech. Joe, is this the year Duke's gonna get it done? They're gonna go all the way through. They're gonna win six games and win the Nash and cut down the net.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (4:13)

Duke, Duke look good on you. I can't, I can't say this is their year. You know, that tournament, that tournament style is similar to the NFL play. You know, I just got to be

Joe Johnson (4:25)

better than you one day.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (4:27)

Yeah, this, this is one game. So it's, it's hard. It's hard. I can't, I can't sit here and say that they gonna win it now. They have been playing great basketball, but it's, it's other teams that's been playing great as well. So you just have to kind of wait until the tournament start, man, because you know, you get in that neutral environment to where there's really no home court advantage. Anything, anything can go. Anything go. Anything can go.

Joe Johnson (4:52)

And, and guys you're talking about. Duke is predominantly freshmen, the 18 year olds. These team that have these veteran clubs that's been together, then they got, they got juniors and seniors.

Ocho (5:05)

Hey, hey, sometime and sometimes too, Uncle. You know. You know what I think about? I think about the packers when they. And how young their team is. And I think about sometimes when they get to the playoffs and when they have success, the fact that the players are so young and they don't understand the pressures that come with being in the postseason. I think they just out there not playing for fun, but just playing freely. You understand what I mean? So when I think about. When I think about Duke going into March Madness, there is no pressure for them. Hell, we, you know, we not not saying they're kids. We just out there playing ball. We just freely out there playing ball. So the pressures that normally come with being in March Madness, I think we gonna. I think they gonna be all right again. It. It is. I just need to be better than you on this one specific day. But I. I don't think they're gonna feel no pressure.

Joe Johnson (5:52)

That's the. That's why we love March Madness, is the unpredictability of it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (5:56)

Yep.

Joe Johnson (5:56)

Because we've seen the Cinderella, we've seen the upsets, we've seen a team ain't got no business beating this team. But guess what? I just need to be better than you for 40 minutes.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (6:08)

That's it. That's it.

Joe Johnson (6:10)

And the longer the game goes and you haven't gotten me up out of there, you hadn't blown me out, the tighter you're going to get because at the end of the day, they realize they're Duke.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (6:19)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (6:20)

There's something. It's like, I don't care. You're Alabama, you're Ohio State, you're one of those. And so you know what comes along with that? You know what. You know all the players that came before you. You know about Grant Hill, you know about Christian Laetner, you know, you know every coach Caden, the legacy that he started with a Johnny Dawkins and Tommy Amaker, Jay Billis. I remember you. You know, you also know what the expectations are.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (6:48)

Absolutely.

Joe Johnson (6:49)

You do. You're the number one seed. You got players that go every year. Elton Brand, first number on the overall draft pick. Zion, number one overall draft pick. Kyrie, number one overall draft pick. Look at the legends, the who's who, the Kristen Lakers, the Bobby Hurley's, the Grant Hill, the. The Elton Brands. You know, the legacy in which Duke was built on.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (7:10)

Yeah, yeah, you got that bull. They got their bullseye on their back.

Joe Johnson (7:14)

Absolutely.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (7:15)

Yeah. Hey, look. Absolutely. University of Arizona, the Wildcats, they've been playing great ball, too.

Joe Johnson (7:20)

Absolutely.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (7:21)

I'm talking about Putting BTA people out there like they getting to it, man. Hey, it's gonna be, it's gonna be a good March Madness.

Joe Johnson (7:29)

So we're gonna, we're gonna see if, if they can and look and we're gonna, we're gonna cover March Madness in the. But Duke, man, damn, Cameron Boozle, man, he's been better than ever.

Ocho (7:43)

Hey, what's. Hey, what's up with his brother, huh? Is his brother is good or is it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (7:48)

No, they different sizes.

Joe Johnson (7:52)

He's more like his dad, but he can shoot it better than his dad. Yeah, but he got, he got the body like his dad. He got a grown ass man body

Ocho (7:59)

ready while he in college.

Joe Johnson (8:00)

Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. So go ahead, Ojo.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (8:05)

No, I'm gonna say so. If, if, if, if, if Cameron Booze is 6 9, 6 10. His twin brother who was on the Duke Blue Devil as well, Ocho, he probably ain't but about six, three, maybe six, four.

Ocho (8:17)

So he probably played one of the two, huh?

Joe Johnson (8:20)

Yeah, he do. He do. He played the guard position. Yeah, yeah. Cooper flag. I mean, look at. Think about how, how many number one overall draft picks that they've had.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (8:29)

Yeah, they put them out.

Joe Johnson (8:31)

Zion was number one. Kyrie was number one. Elton Brand was number one. And then you got Leitner and the Grant Hills and all the Allah Abdenobis and the Cherokee Parks and all those guys. Hey, look, all those, all those guys that came after that, they might not be number one, but Duke had, man, like, man, look, I ain't no Duke fan. I'm a Tar Heel fan. So if you're a Tar Heel fan, you hate everything.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (8:58)

Hey, listen, and all the dookies, they all got good jobs. Ocho. When they done, they. And they TV analysts, they coaches, they gms, they. They got all the jobs.

Joe Johnson (9:09)

Yeah.

Ocho (9:10)

So you're saying like, basically playing for Duke, it's like playing for the Cowboys after you retire. You get what? You get what I'm saying?

Joe Johnson (9:17)

Yeah, basically. Yeah, look at the analyst.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (9:20)

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

Joe Johnson (9:22)

Dan. Don Meredith, right, Romo.

Ocho (9:27)

Okay, I get it. I get it now. I get it.

Joe Johnson (9:30)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. That's basically what we said.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (9:37)

You get, you get taken care of.

Joe Johnson (9:39)

If you.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (9:40)

That's a hell of a fraternity to come from.

Joe Johnson (9:42)

They take care of you because it's so vast. It's kind of like Stanford. You already know. You go back to Stanford? Yeah, let's see. Why? What. What firm? What tech company? I want to work at Notre Dame where I want Ocho, where I Want to work at. I think I work for you, right? That's just the way it is.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:01)

Yeah, yeah.

Joe Johnson (10:02)

But, oh, show your boy. Oh, sure. We didn't have no fallback if I'll go either play the NFL or I was gonna get do something. I probably, I probably got would go to law school. Brother would have put me through law school.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:15)

Yeah, you alone, I seen you. I heard you say you, you major in criminal justice. You know, I majored in criminal justice too.

Joe Johnson (10:21)

Yeah. Yeah, you know, I majored in eligibility, but I happened to get a degree. But I got a degree. Hey, while I was staying eligible.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:30)

Hey, let me tell y' all something, because we are Prop 48 over here now.

Joe Johnson (10:34)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:35)

So when I did get eligible, right. When I did get eligible my freshman year, they packed me down with like 21, 22 hours, Uncle Ocho.

Joe Johnson (10:42)

So, like, y' all must be on the quarter system. Joe. Huh? Were y' all in the quarter system a semester or a semester? What you mean? Cause see, we was on a quarter. We had three quarters. Excuse me.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:54)

At Savannah State, man, listen, they packed me down with 21:22 hours. I got class from 7 in the morning to 3 o' clock in the evening. No break. We got practice at 3:34.

Ocho (11:05)

Damn, Joe.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (11:06)

So look, I see some of my teammates on the yard. I'm like, man, how y' all look so fresh? Like what y' all got going? I said, man, they got me down with 22 hours. They say, man, you know, you only need 12 hours to be eligible. I say, what? Well, y' all should have seen how I went down there and dropped all them classes. I, I, hey, look, I only have 14 hours. I made a little room for just in case I had a little slippage, you know what I mean? If I got a little slippage. But I'm like, boy, I ain't finna be in class all day from no 7 o' clock to 3 o' clock in the evening, then gotta go straight to practice.

Joe Johnson (11:39)

Oh, no, that's how I was, Joe. But no, I had to get up out of. Cause I started behind. Because, see, my first year, Joe, I didn't take any classes that went towards graduation. Yeah, because I was in pro. I was a Prop 48. So I was in what they call developmental studies. Okay, so in other words, you have to get out of developmental studies before you can take classes that goes towards graduation.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (11:58)

I had to do that too. Yeah.

Joe Johnson (12:00)

So I had reading, I had, I had every. So every class I was taking was developmental studies. I never forget the first. I walked into Reading, my first teacher, Joyce McLemore, and I was in the back of the class. She said, she called my name. Shannon Sharp.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (12:16)

I'm here.

Joe Johnson (12:17)

That's the only time she ever called me Shannon Sharp. From that. From that point on, she called me Mr. Sharp. So she gave us an assignment. I brought the assignment home, did it. I mean, took them, redid it, brought it back the next morning. She asked us to pass it in. You know, I first went up there, put the thing up there. She looked over it. She looked at me. She looked over it. She said, Mr. Shark, come up here. I said, lord have mercy. Lord have mercy. Man, I ain't do nothing. Oh, Joe. Joe. She put her arm around my waist, and she looked up at me. She said, Mr. Sharp, I don't want to see you in here next quarter. You ain't got no business in this class.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (13:03)

You hear me?

Joe Johnson (13:04)

I said, yes, ma', am. She said, I don't want to see you in here. All right, you can go back and sit down. I got up out of there, Joe. I had. I had English Jordan, pre green. But she ain't bullshit, man. She gave us a paper. The first paper, Joe. Yeah, I like. She had to use by 4p. Ain't no way no one pen had this much red on it. Ain't no way. I said, that woman no better pack of red pens. I said, did this woman cut herself on my paper?

Ocho (13:39)

It was that bad.

Joe Johnson (13:41)

It was terrible.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (13:43)

I know exactly what he talking about. Hey.

Joe Johnson (13:46)

And so Joe and Ocho back then, in order to. In order to graduate, you had to pass the regents. So they give you an essay. They give you two topics. You get to choose from two topics, and you had to write an essay on it. Now, the problem is, is that they send it out. People from your university don't grade it. It might go to Georgia Southern. It might go to somebody from Fort Valley. It might for go. So it goes. So you don't know who's grading your paper. All you know, they give you a number, and when you go up there, it'll tell you if you pass or you fail. It have a P or it has an F. I said, lord have mercy. Hey, hey. Nobody don't want to say nothing, but you can see. I said, yeah, I guess. I guess that mean, man, when I went up there and I saw my. My number, my. My code.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (14:36)

Yeah,

Joe Johnson (14:41)

I got one more. I got one more math. The last one, last quarter, Ocho. But see, here's my thing, Ocho. Reading was the only One that I was in the last year. The other ones, I had to move. I had to go Tier 2 to Tier 3 to get up out of there. So math was the last one out of the map floor. Ocho. Me and Matt, they never got tables. So we go into. We go to another. Take the test. The instructor is passing out pennies. Cause penny's supposed to be good luck. You know me, Joe. I said, hey, you might as well give him, I hope you got a pack of pennies. Cause he gonna need it. I'm Joe. I'm. I'm cracking jokes. I said, I don't want no penny. I said, I don't need no luck. Give it to me. I'm ready. Give me the test right now. I'm leaving. I'm getting up out of here. Everybody looking at me like, what is this, man? What a sharp bone, man. When I got that thing, that thing said, I'm through with all these developmental study classes, and I don't pass the Regents. So now starting my sophomore year, everything I do is towards graduation. Right now, in order to take an overload, you got to get. You got to get the department head to sign off on it. So I got to go there. They're like, hold on, Mr. Sharp. You want to overload? You were in just developmental study classes. I said, yeah, I was, but I got up out of.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:13)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (16:13)

Now I need you to put your name on here so I can get the overload. So I get up out of here.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:16)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (16:17)

I took 20. I took 20. I think I took about 21 hours. My sophomore year, my junior year, I was two quarters short of graduating. I came back, got that out of there. My grandma saw her baby walk across that stage. But I was getting a little. Oh, hey, honor roll, honor roll, Dean's list. Honorable.

Ocho (16:40)

You made up.

Joe Johnson (16:40)

You made.

Ocho (16:41)

You made,

Joe Johnson (16:44)

indeed, Joe. You.

Ocho (16:45)

You, Joe, you graduated, too.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:49)

Nah.

Ocho (16:49)

Hey, Joe. Hey, y' all with you, Joe? I ain't graduate either, man.

Joe Johnson (16:53)

I had to get up out of it, man. My brother got two degrees. I couldn't let that joint. Hey, I ain't got no 2, but I could let that joke get that far ahead of me. Oh, no. And my grandma say. My grandma say, oh, she was so proud. My baby graduated. My baby graduated from college. Yeah, you prayed a million nights for your baby to graduate college.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (17:13)

Right? Right. Okay. What you would say?

Ocho (17:16)

We gotta. We gotta finish. Finish our degree, man.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (17:18)

Get our degree, Joe, what we getting a degree in?

Ocho (17:21)

I mean, listen, I'm. I'm a Master Criminal Justice. No, no, but not yet. I'm gonna do marketing. Branding, since that's what I'm good at. Marketing and branding. Maybe a minor in business. Yeah. But I'm. I'm going to roll over at fam, though. Where you go? You gonna. Where you gonna go?

Joe Johnson (17:38)

I'm.

Ocho (17:39)

And they. Hey, they told me. Hey, Joe.

Joe Johnson (17:40)

They told me online class at Georgia State or something.

Ocho (17:42)

They told me you could do it online, too. You knew that?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (17:46)

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what? Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. Ojo.

Ocho (17:50)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (17:52)

I ain't gonna. I ain't gonna be going no class. I'm gonna keep it real.

Ocho (17:55)

Hey, hey, Joe. I think it'd be good for me, too, man. Like, I mean, my grandma, my mama a. But actually being able to walk across that stage, I think that that'd be something good for me to be able to celebrate, man.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (18:06)

Feel good about yourself.

Ocho (18:08)

Yeah. Just. Just completing that journey, the journey that she always wanted me to, you know, to be on.

Joe Johnson (18:13)

Yep.

Ocho (18:14)

I think.

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Ocho (18:15)

I know, I know. I know I play around a lot, make a lot of jokes, but that's something I wanna. I wanna. I wanna do.

Joe Johnson (18:20)

Hey, Joe. And you say something very interesting, Joe, because when I got there, because we asking, man, what you majoring in? Yeah, mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, Finance. Everybody. Oh, everybody. Finance, mechanical engineering, bioengineering. Oh, marine biology. Everybody got all. All business administrat. Everybody got all these. I said, well, damn. I said, I'm thinking to myself, why y' all in Savannah State, then? Y'. All. Y' all got the grade. You. I know, right here. My grades. Hell, I could have got in prison with my grade. I understand that. So I ain't fooling nobody. They're like, man, what you gonna major in? I said, I'm gonna major in criminal justice.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (19:03)

Right?

Joe Johnson (19:04)

Like, criminal justice. Are you okay? Hey, Shop. Who your professor? My professor don't teach engineering. You know what I'm saying? They came right on down there, and the ones that stuck with that class when I left, I came back and finished up my degree in 91, 93. They finishing up their grasses.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (19:29)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (19:29)

And some people, they had already. They had already took all the. They got all the credits. They were just taking the Regents. They couldn't pass the regions. They cut it out. Now, I don't think you have to take the regions now, but they couldn't pass their regions.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (19:46)

Well, look, when you get to college, boy, you got to really apply yourself. You hear me?

Ocho (19:49)

That's. That's the Uncle Joe. That's the part that, that I'm worried about, right? Like the fact that I got 237, 11 jobs, right? How am I gonna be able to take my online classes and. And try to work towards getting my degree? Hey, I don't even know how many credits I need to goddamn graduate.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:06)

You can find that, Ojo.

Joe Johnson (20:07)

Oh, they definitely find out. Yeah, they'll find out. Yeah. I don't know, considering that you went to Juco and none of those are going to apply towards your degree, and you only stayed. You only stayed two semesters at Oregon State, you might further away now than when you started.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:24)

You got to lock in. You got to lock in.

Joe Johnson (20:26)

Yeah, but all it takes is discipline.

Ocho (20:28)

Yeah, I got that.

Joe Johnson (20:29)

It just takes discipline. You just got. You just got a place. They say, you know what? Just like you wanted to go to the NFL, say, I want this damn degree.

Ocho (20:36)

Okay, well, you know, I can lock in now. I can lock in.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:41)

That's all.

Joe Johnson (20:41)

You gotta do what you did to go to the next level, to get to the NFL. But gee, you know, you. You had.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:48)

You had a real passion for football. You're gonna have to have a. You got to have a passion for this work.

Ocho (20:53)

Not only that work, Joe, I. I just. I just want. I just wanna. The check. I just want to check that. That empty space that's there.

Joe Johnson (21:02)

You want that diploma? You just want to walk by and see?

Ocho (21:03)

Yeah, I do. I just want to be able to hang that thing. Hang that thing behind me. Just something to be proud of, man.

Joe Johnson (21:09)

It's gonna be harder now, Ocho, because getting to the NFL was a means to the end. You like, my grandma gonna be able to eat. My brother's gonna be able to eat. My mama gonna be able to eat. I'm gonna be able to eat. You get this degree. Don't. Nothing financially potentially comes from it, other than the fact yourself.

Ocho (21:27)

Wait a minute now. I get that degree, more doors might open for more jobs, man.

Joe Johnson (21:35)

I don't think the job that you could get with that degree, it's.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (21:39)

Hey, look, it's a lot of people out here with degrees that can't use them, Ocho.

Ocho (21:42)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard about that too, man. That's messed up. You pay all that money, your old depth, and you can't even get a job in your own goddamn field. Now you're struggling, paying back goddamn Sally, man. It's. It's ridiculous, man.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (21:56)

I agree. Oh, yeah. Oh, hey, look, I took a couple loans out when I was in college, man, because I couldn't stand walking around

Joe Johnson (22:02)

being you paid him back to you,

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (22:05)

boy, I ain't had no choice. Look, I left my sophomore year, but I had done took out probably about 4,500 worth of loans. I ain't never tell my. So, look, look, Uncle Ocho, I went pro the University of Arkansas. Them bills kept coming in. My mom was like, well, what, what, what's all this stuff? I said, go and pay them people their money back, Mama. I, I, I, I, I took a couple loans.

Ocho (22:28)

Right, right, right.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (22:29)

Don't worry about it.

Ocho (22:32)

Hey, think about that. Think about. Yeah, man, I, I cross. I mean, I, I walk the stage at famu. Y' all get to come out there. We do nightcap in Tallahassee, you know. Oh, good feeling.

Joe Johnson (22:48)

Ain't no, there's nothing. There's to have your family in attendance. And, you know, I was the second, My brother was the first to get a college degree. I was the second one to get a college degree. Now, we have had people that's gone since us, but. And I remember they asked any parent that's proud that the young one, man, my brother stood up. My brother stood up. My brother, a mama looked and said, mama looked up and said, what you standing up for? I'm as responsible as anybody.

Ocho (23:17)

You got up out of here, you know. You know what's funny too, Joe? I mean, it's not a bad thing, obviously. Obviously. I mean, I've done some good. Those I have kids from done so good. Three of my kids and graduated college before I even got my damn damn degree. My son graduated. My daughter didn't graduate from pv. And you know, my other daughter graduated. My goddamn mocha mocha finna graduate from Universal Kentucky next year.

Joe Johnson (23:42)

So that's full out the door to get it. Yeah.

Ocho (23:45)

That's crazy.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (23:46)

Damn. Hey, hey. When you just in Houston watching, watching one of your daughters.

Ocho (23:50)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. SEC championship. Oh, she did good. Hey, she made me proud, Joe. Yeah, she man on that, on that 4x4, on that third leg.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (24:01)

Yeah.

Ocho (24:01)

But yo, she had to go get somebody. She went and got him. I like.

Joe Johnson (24:07)

Now you go get somebody. Go get that degree. You talking about you got four kids about to graduate. You go get that degree.

Ocho (24:12)

I am. I got to, I got it because it gotta look bad.

Joe Johnson (24:14)

Oh.

Ocho (24:14)

Got three of my kids.

Joe Johnson (24:15)

Take your ass, get online and get that degree. Apply yourself. You got, you got it. You got it. Just like, hey, I want this degree. And when you put your mind to something, you can do it.

Ocho (24:25)

Most definitely. Most definitely.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (24:28)

Ocho, you do it online, you make it even get a little help, you know what I mean?

Joe Johnson (24:34)

Huh? Don't let French fry beat you out of school. Hey, if she beat me, friends probably gonna be holding up on diploma Daddy. I got mine. You gotta be. You gotta be friends.

Ocho (24:52)

I got to, I got to. I, I, I'm curious to see how many credits I need, how many hours or however. I don't know how it goes at this point.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:00)

Yeah, they can find that, bro. I promise you.

Ocho (25:03)

I know it's gonna hurt when they tell me how long I got to do.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:06)

Yes.

Joe Johnson (25:07)

Yeah, it is. O Joe, Joe, our discord has joke. Check out this image that Peter made for Joe.

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Chad Ochocinco Johnson (29:22)

What do you make? Hey. Oh, why I'm crying.

Joe Johnson (29:31)

They got me crying to look at

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (29:32)

me from that ass whooping y' all were taking. But don't worry about it.

Joe Johnson (29:36)

There you go. He's about to get blocked from on Discord.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (29:41)

Hey Peter. Appreciate it, bro.

Joe Johnson (29:43)

Y' all do it too much. USC Lean Score Chad Baker Mazara no longer with the program, Baker Mazara left Sunday, home lost in Nebraska early in the second half following a hard fall after he blocked the shot from Price Sanford. Baker Mazara told coach Eric Musselman he couldn't go back in, then sat near injured Rodney Rice in the arena. Excuse me. In the area with fans instead of on the bench with the rest of the team. No reason or details for gift for Baker Mazara's program departure were provided. Rumor was circulating about the age and having children, but that originated from a parody account. Joe, what's going on, man?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (30:28)

I think this. This the kid that's what, 26, 27? Uncle O.J.

Joe Johnson (30:31)

yeah. I think he's a leading score in there. Leading score.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (30:34)

Yeah, he was a leading scorer, but, you know, I don't think he was playing when Elijah Arena's Gilbert son was playing.

Joe Johnson (30:42)

Right.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (30:42)

So I don't know if it's. Cause, you know, Elijah came back, he been. He been balling. I don't know what it is, but for them to just send him on his way. He averaging 18, 19 points a game as your leading score. It had to. It's gotta be something deeper than what we could, you know, ever imagine. For real, I'm like. Cause that just don't make no sense.

Ocho (30:59)

I couldn't understand if he got hurt and he went to the locker room and came back out, why he sat with. Why he sat in the stands with the. You know, with the fans instead on the bench.

Joe Johnson (31:07)

There you go, Ocho. That's okay. Thank you. That's what I'm like, bro.

Ocho (31:11)

You.

Joe Johnson (31:12)

You're not. I mean, you. A team sit where your team sit, with your teammates. That's what I don't understand. That's the confusing part to me. That's what I need some clarification on. That's what I need someone to explain to me. Why the choice in the seating.

Ocho (31:25)

Did he hit his head? Did he hit his head or something?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (31:29)

I think he heard, like, his knee or something. I thought. I thought he. I thought it was a pretty gross injury. I ain't. I thought he tore something, but obviously he didn't.

Ocho (31:38)

Wait, was the. Was the bench fit? Was there an extra seat for him? You think there was a seat left or maybe the bench was full? I mean, it got to be some kind of reason behind that.

Joe Johnson (31:46)

Yeah, I. I just don't know why. Even. Even so. I mean, you just go to the end. You don't sit in the. In the student section. You don't sit with the students.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (31:54)

Yeah. So I don't know.

Joe Johnson (31:55)

I'm sure at some point in time some truth will, will come out and we'll get a better clarification, we'll get a better understanding of what actually, actually happened because now you can't really trust anything online now because they got so many parody accounts, they got so much AI going on. Ocho. So I, I just. Ocho. Floyd Mayweather Jr. Is now scheduled to take on Greek kickboxer Mike Zambidas in another exhibition in June in Athens, Greece. This will be two months after Mike, after the Mike Tyson fight. Zambidas is an 18 time world champion and retired with a record of 154 and 24. He has taken, he hasn't taken part in an official fight since June of 2015.

Ocho (32:36)

Yeah, talk to me.

Joe Johnson (32:37)

Oh, you. Are you concerned that Floyd is potentially risking long term help just to make a quick payday schedule? Three fights in one year. The last time before you go, Joe, the last time, if I'm not mistaken, that he fought three times in one year was 2005 and he was 28 years of age.

Ocho (32:55)

I say no, no, I'm not worried about it, Joe, I understand. Obviously your spidey senses some things are gone. You're not the same as you was, especially back in 2005, the last time you fought, you know, three times. But obviously you have to look at his opponents that he's picking. He's picking opponents that he know he's going to be able to win. He's picking opponents that he knows he's better than even with his lack of, his lack of not being in the ring, but someone that stays active. He just hasn't fought and doing these exhibitions, he's going to be okay. He's going to be able to protect himself and be able to hit them at will and being able protects himself when trying to be hit. Obviously. Eight. I mean, I forgot the record. You just said the guy, what was his name, 157. Yeah, I mean obviously he's probably great in his, in his craft and what he did, but he's, he's. No, he has stands no chance in a boxing ring with Floyd Meadow. Whether he's young, whether he's old, whether he's in his prime. Hell, he could probably beat dude with his jab hand all night long if he wanted to. So again, for one, I think that's a tune up. The one, the, the guy, the Greek guy, that's a tune up before he gets to Manny Pacquiao because I, I think I Think that guy is going to, to probably, you know, try to try to give him a little show, give him a little challenge, but that's all that is, that's all it comes down to. Because he knows once you get to Manny Pacquiao, all bets are off. All bets off. That's a real live fight. Ain't no exhibition. He not taking it easy on you. He gonna go so that, that the Mike Tyson. Listen, give me something. Let me refill, let me refill my pockets real quick. Boom. The tune of fight against the Greek guy. I, I don't know how to say his name. The proper way is a tune up for Manny Pacquiao. And in the spear we going, we going all out.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (34:32)

Absolutely. Trying to keep fine tuned, fine tuned till you get the pack out.

Ocho (34:38)

Get that, get that rust, get that, get that ring rust out of you.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (34:42)

I hate it.

Joe Johnson (34:43)

What?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (34:44)

You hate? Yeah.

Joe Johnson (34:45)

Because I wish Floyd didn't have to do this. He made enough money. He shouldn't have to do this, and I don't. Maybe, maybe he just wants to come back. Maybe there's an itch that needs to scratch. Maybe the, the competitive juices of Florida again. But when you talk about Ocho, he's. Let's just say for the sake of argument, these are exhibitions. Floyd hadn't fought three fights in one year since 2005. That's over two decades ago. It doesn't even, it doesn't look good because sometimes the, the mention of like, Florida's broke. I don't know if Florida's broke, Floyd broke compared to other people.

Ocho (35:15)

It's not, it's not the same.

Joe Johnson (35:17)

It's different now. You know, you hear things that, you know. Taxi owed this person. I saw Logan Paul was talking about that he owes him and some Greek company suit, some Dubai company is suing him for, for $10 million. I don't know if there's any truth to that chat. I really, really don't. I don't know Floyd's finances and I don't know anybody that knows Floyd's finances. But it's just it, man. I, I just hate this. I, I hate it. You know, when you heard story of Joe Lewis, how Joe Lewis had to come out and had to fight much longer than he should have. O joke. I hate that for guys when they have to do that because they take such a beating when they're in their prime, when they're young, boxing, even when the hair gear and you sparring Ocho, you still get hitting upside your head.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (35:59)

Yep.

Joe Johnson (35:59)

It's just like when you play football, yeah, you got a helmet on, but them damn licks still hurt.

Ocho (36:04)

And when. You know also, Uncle Joe, when you think about it, too, you have to think about. We talk about Floyd. We talk about Floyd, one that's over his career in 50 fights, hadn't taken much punishment. He hasn't getting it. I mean, obviously, you do get hit. But he's minimized those hits in that wear and tear over the years because he's so great at defense. He's so great at defense. So he's one of the few that can come out. And that's why the first thing I said, he's one of the few that can come out of retirement, even at his age, and still protect himself. It's like, hell, I ain't rode a bike in 15 years, Joe. But if I had to get back on there, I can get on there and know what to do. Especially when you talk about one of the best, if not the best of. Of all time. And now, depending on who you ask, when it comes to boxing, obviously, you know, you. You throw other names in, in, you know, in. In the pot. But. But I think it's gonna be all right. He gonna be able to do what he needs to do in the ring. He knows how to protect himself. He knows how to carry a fight, which he. I think he's gonna do for the. The young bull out there in, In. In. The Greek guy that he's gonna face. He gonna. He gonna carry him. Not when he. When he does.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (37:07)

Hey, my bad.

Ocho (37:09)

No, no, you good, you good, you good.

Joe Johnson (37:11)

But, but why. Why.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (37:12)

Why is he fighting Mike Tyson, though? Like, the last time I seen Tyson fight, he wasn't throwing no punches.

Joe Johnson (37:18)

Like we gonna throw no punches, this guy, this fight, either.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (37:21)

That's what I'm saying. So I know it was somebody. And I'm not saying, you know, obviously I'm a Tyson fan, but I mean, damn, Tyson's six. Well, is Tyson at least 60?

Joe Johnson (37:31)

Couple of years. He gotta be at least. Tyson gotta be at least two to three years older than me, and I'm about to be 58, so he's 60, 61.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (37:40)

Yeah. I don't want Mike Tyson. I don't want to see the biting the gloves and all that, Ocho.

Joe Johnson (37:44)

Because he didn't want to hit him, huh? He want to hit him and mess up.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (37:52)

He tell me he didn't want to hit.

Ocho (37:54)

No, Jake ain't want to hit him. I mean, Tyson ain't wanting.

Joe Johnson (37:57)

He'll be 60. He'll be 60. Years old, June 30th. Tyson will be 60, June 30th. He's born in 66. I was born in 60.

Ocho (38:04)

You look at it, you look at that Jake Paul Tyson fight like those first two rounds, and if you know Tyson, if you watch Tyson fight over the years, when he comes out, he's straight to action. He's straight to action.

Joe Johnson (38:20)

Yeah.

Ocho (38:21)

I mean, even if you're not young, if that's the way you fight, that's the way you fight. You don't. You don't change the way you fight over the years.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (38:27)

So how do you think he sits

Ocho (38:29)

in the pocket and we going to work?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (38:33)

So how you think he gonna fight Floyd? Floyd ain't gonna sit there.

Ocho (38:36)

That's not. That's not Floyd. I don't know what's gonna happen.

Joe Johnson (38:39)

Happen.

Ocho (38:40)

I don't know. I don't. I don't know what's gonna happen with that. Because, I mean, we saw.

Joe Johnson (38:43)

We saw.

Ocho (38:44)

We saw Mike. We saw Mike Tyson and Roy, you know, and they. They also didn't want to hit each other. So I'm. I'm not sure.

Joe Johnson (38:53)

But Roy already said, look, he is not gonna hit it. He's not gonna hit my mama child with that left hand. That ain't happening. That ain't happening. Nope. Not gonna hit my mama's son with that ass. So Roy, Roy was, was, was, was, was honest about, you know, like, look, he still got power in the hand employ, and he still has power, ojo. We watched him, Joe, and you watched him when they were showing the lead up to the fight. Man, you see Tyson hitting that bag, man, but you see how Tyson.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (39:31)

Yeah, yeah.

Ocho (39:32)

Ain't none change. And that's how, you know, if you see him hit the bag, you see him hit the mitts, and all of a sudden you get in the ring and you look completely different, or you're trying to figure out why you're not letting go. Why you gun shy?

Joe Johnson (39:44)

And he was letting them go when he was sparring. When he's hitting him, he was letting his hands go ocho, you know. Yeah, I just. Look, look, we got to talk about it, so we're gonna have to watch so we can, you know, provide some. Some analysis. But it's just. I. I just. I just wish. I just wish at 50 years of age. I don't. You know, I don't.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (40:07)

I don't.

Joe Johnson (40:07)

I don't. I mean, could you imagine if you could, if you had to? I mean, I. Look, I love. I love football, but ain't no way. I was after retired at 35. I was coming back at 40, right?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (40:21)

No, but hey, like, hey, hey, I came back.

Joe Johnson (40:26)

You know what, Joe Ocho, if people didn't want to see it, it wouldn't happen. Somebody gonna watch it.

Ocho (40:34)

Everybody.

Joe Johnson (40:35)

Netflix got. How many. How many countries are they in? 200 countries. Countries probably got 3,400 million subs subscribers.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (40:42)

Netflix ain't playing, is it?

Ocho (40:44)

What? Yeah, they definitely are watching. And half the people watching to see him lose.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (40:50)

Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Johnson (40:54)

I just.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (40:54)

I don't know.

Joe Johnson (40:57)

He. He want. He. This. He wants to do it. I don't know. I don't know if it's. It's just these three fights and that's it. Ocho. Or he's gonna have more fights in 27.

Ocho (41:07)

Hey, we got.

Joe Johnson (41:09)

But it just goes to show you what current state of boxing is. Is that people will watch this and they got real fighters. That just goes to show you what current state of boxing is on your. I mean, we got good fighters. They got, hey, there, fights to be made. Like I said, hopefully, Gervonte Davis get his situation resolved. But you got the Davis kid, Keisha Davis, and you got Shakur, and you got Ryan Garcia. You got. You got Devin Haney, you got guys, you got Lomo. I think. I think Lomo retired. Lomo, Teofimo.

Ocho (41:45)

Yeah,

Joe Johnson (41:47)

I know. One more time. But there are fights to be made. There are fights to be made.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (41:51)

Yeah.

Ocho (41:51)

Lomachenko retired. I mean, it's. It's so many. I mean, just the. The problem is it's too. It's too much dead time. Huh? It's too much daytime. So while, you know, fights haven't been resolved yet or, you know, too many layers between fighters wanting to fight. I mean, so something like this, I mean, it's gonna have people watching.

Joe Johnson (42:10)

Yeah. Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:11)

People gonna tune in for sure.

Joe Johnson (42:14)

I guess we have to go watch a couple of rounds, Ocho. Yeah, go watch a couple of rounds, but, man, it's like, hey, we going to the fight.

Ocho (42:24)

We going to the fight in Vegas in September.

Joe Johnson (42:28)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:28)

Okay.

Ocho (42:29)

Okay. Okay. Well, we're gonna walk. We gonna walk in there, but we're gonna be clean, too, right? And we got a good. Yeah, we're going to be clean. Why? Can't wait. Why?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:38)

Oh, you can suit it and boot it. Oh, Joe.

Ocho (42:41)

I'm gonna be clean, Joe. I might be the cleanest one in the house, Joe. When I put. I'm putting these pants on right here, Joe.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:48)

All right now.

Ocho (42:49)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (42:50)

What? Yeah. You doing too much.

Ocho (42:52)

Yeah. Ain't nobody Gonna be. Ain't nobody gonna be at that fight in September. And he got down leopard pants but me, boy.

Joe Johnson (43:00)

Yeah. Cause you probably won't be able to take them off. They're gonna be so funky.

Ocho (43:05)

I take these to the cleaners every three days.

Joe Johnson (43:07)

No, no.

Ocho (43:09)

You had to do cleaning right across the street.

Joe Johnson (43:13)

That's okay.

Ocho (43:15)

Okay. I ain't gonna wear them. I'm wearing some boots. I'm wearing some boots.

Joe Johnson (43:20)

I don't know what I'm gonna wear.

Ocho (43:23)

Joe, what you wearing? Joe?

Joe Johnson (43:24)

I'm sure I. I'll piece something together.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:26)

I'm probably put on. Put on one of these little fly suits I got over here, man. I got. Yeah, I mean, a suit.

Ocho (43:31)

A suit suit.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:33)

Yeah. I'm coming with a suit, man. I'm coming. I'm coming. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fight.

Joe Johnson (43:37)

Yeah. Yeah. You ain't fighting. He like. He walking the intro joke. I'll be the Ocho.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:46)

Hey, Joe, I'm coming. I'm coming in. I ain't playing like a suit like

Ocho (43:51)

you wear to church.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:53)

Yeah, I'm coming. I'm be clean.

Ocho (43:56)

You ain't gonna be comfortable. It's a boxing fight.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:58)

Yeah. Yes, I am. Yes, I am. Yes, I am.

Joe Johnson (44:01)

You'll see. You'll see.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:03)

Check me out.

Ocho (44:04)

Okay. Okay.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:04)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (44:05)

He ain't wearing no suits because after we had this rematch and I put foots in him, he gonna be too sore. His ass gonna be sore. So I will be putting. When we get him back on that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:14)

You gotta chill.

Joe Johnson (44:15)

You gotta chill. Nah, nah, Joe. Cause you be Brad. I mean, all you do. All you do is be talking to my. The people. The people gave me this title. I didn't ask for no title. I had that for that joke, man. Man, this is what. This is what the people wanted. So I have to get the people what they. Okay, yeah. Yeah. You want to get the people what they want all the time.

Ocho (44:35)

I'm ready.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:38)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (44:39)

But it's like. Like I said, hopefully everything gets resolved and Floyd goes on about his life and. And everybody. Everybody gets to live happily every hour.

Ocho (44:48)

Yeah. I mean, obviously, some things need to change. Some things need to change because you won't be able to keep coming back out, you know, to be able to do these exhibitions as you get, you know.

Joe Johnson (44:58)

Well, he better look good.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:59)

That's what I'm gonna say. That boyfriend. To put on the show after y' all got Floyd.

Ocho (45:02)

Absolutely. I mean, listen, Floyd gonna look like Floyd despite. Despite. Even despite his age, because he's always active, Joe and uncle. He's always, he's always active. So I mean, I mean I, I, I want to see it. I mean I'm excited because I know what he's going to look like despite how long he's been off, despite having the ring rust. And that's, that's why he's doing the tune ups before you get the Pacquiao.

Joe Johnson (45:24)

Well, I guess I, man, I don't know. I guess I have to wear my Louis pants again the third time.

Ocho (45:30)

Okay, okay. I like them thing.

Joe Johnson (45:32)

I like them. I, I, I'll get something. I have something, I have something. I pull something. I'll be a little clean.

Ocho (45:40)

Yeah, I'mma be clean though.

Joe Johnson (45:41)

Boy.

Ocho (45:41)

I'm be clean, boy.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (45:45)

What, what you plan on wearing?

Ocho (45:46)

O. I'm wear some cowboy boots, Joe. Yeah, cowboy boots. Nice little jeans. I forgot what they call them in Houston. They call them name the jeans. They, they sit right over, they sit right over. Like the jeans kind of fit like slim a little bit, but it, it flare out perfectly right at the bottom to go right over the bootcut. Yeah, okay, but it's a certain name to it, Joe. I mean I forgot what it's called.

Joe Johnson (46:08)

Flare legs.

Ocho (46:09)

No, no, no, not, not bell bottom, not flare pants. It's a specific name, a specific gene. I forgot what it's called exactly. And it just, it just, it just look.

Joe Johnson (46:19)

What'd you say? It's a what kind of specific?

Ocho (46:22)

Specific, Specific.

Joe Johnson (46:27)

I thought you said nice. It's the way I said that's the ocean.

Ocho (46:31)

I talk fast.

Joe Johnson (46:32)

I know you do. That's why I get you to slow down. Yeah, but that's, I mean that's the thing now everybody's wearing the kind of little slimmer fit and then it gets look good, you know, kind of flare at the bottom.

Ocho (46:45)

Oh yeah, somebody in the chat, they must be from Houston. It's called stack. They call Stack jeans. And I just, everybody I saw in Houston, you know, was rodeo is rodeo weekend or rodeo week, whatever.

Joe Johnson (46:56)

Yeah.

Ocho (46:56)

I'm like, well God, how come everybody, it, it looked right, it looked perfection. Like somebody tailored everybody jeans to fit perfectly over their boots.

Joe Johnson (47:04)

I mean everybody would clean that, stole that name because we used to call stacks platform shoes. That's what stacks were called? Yes. Back in the 70s when guys used to wear those flare pants they had on what we call stacks. Okay. That's what stacks were called when I was a kid. I ain't know nobody. Like I said, we call those bell bottoms up. Then they call them boot cut. But yeah, that's what that's what stacks were called when I was a kid. Anybody from anybody. Anybody that's old enough to remember the 70s and 8 except 70s all the way through the 70s and the early 80s. Do anybody know what stacks. Platform shoes? Is that what y' all called them? They said jeans in the Houston are called strangers. Yeah, there's like. Yeah, Stacks. That's. That's what we call. Yeah, I had some. I went to. I had a Halloween party and I had some. You know, I went.

Ocho (48:04)

You had some platforms on.

Joe Johnson (48:06)

Yeah, I will. Hey,

Ocho (48:10)

how high was the heel?

Joe Johnson (48:11)

Probably about like this.

Ocho (48:12)

Okay. Okay, I see.

Joe Johnson (48:14)

You know, your boy was happy. I had me an afro wig on with a jean outfit with a polyester. Yeah, man.

Ocho (48:21)

Hey, you. You got. Did you know how to do the walk? Remember the episode of Martin?

Joe Johnson (48:25)

Remember the fifth episode? Hey, I was. Hey, I was strutting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ocho (48:32)

Pretty, pretty Tony, man. Pretty Tony.

Joe Johnson (48:38)

Ah. Oh.

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Joe Detroit has traded David Montgomery out of the Motor City. The Lions agreed to trade the running back to the Houston Texans and the Lions will receive a Houston fourth round pick, offensive lineman Juice Scruggs and a seventh round pick in exchange for Montgomery. The move is the three year run in Detroit. Well, Montgomery started alongside Jameer Gibbs as part of the arguably the league's best backfield duo, officially known as Sonic and Knuckles Ocho. Remember we had a conversation.

Ocho (52:47)

Yeah, whatever.

Joe Johnson (52:49)

Did d. Mo. Did y' all hear that for me?

Ocho (52:52)

But hold on. What. What. What did I say, Chad? What did I say last night? Where would be the perfect place for me to go? You know, I mean, look at. Looking at the landscape. You know, what teams you can go to. You could take some of the pressure off of the quarterback, you know, so he don't have to drop back 100 times a goddamn game. Because you have a quality running back. You can hand it off to someone that's deep.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (53:14)

Boyfriend go over there.

Ocho (53:15)

He could run through the tackles. He could run on the outside. He's decent. Catching the ball out the backfield as well. Hell, maybe Houston. That's the right call. And lo and behold, Joe, 24 hours later, he end up in Houston.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (53:28)

That boy gonna eat over there.

Ocho (53:30)

Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (53:33)

They need it.

Ocho (53:34)

They needed.

Joe Johnson (53:34)

Yeah, because I don't think. Oo. We talked about mixing and that injury, that didn't seem very positive that he was gonna have an opportunity demo didn't seem very positive about him being able to return. This seemed like a ser. A pretty serious injury because he missed. I think he missed the entire season.

Ocho (54:01)

He did.

Joe Johnson (54:01)

Yeah. An NFL team reportedly told Fernando Mendoza to get arrested. So he slides in the draft and they can draft him. What? Ocho, what was the craziest thing you were asked during a pre jab?

Ocho (54:16)

Oh, that's a great question. Golly, that's a great question. It's a great question. It's one that I can't remember because I can't remember some of the questions I was asked that long ago. Oh, my God. That's two. That's 2,000. God damn, Unc. That's a great one. Yeah. I don't think even during my draft process, I think the. The craziest thing I might have been asked is why the hell did you bounce around to so many schools? That's. That's. That's about it. Nothing. Nothing personal. No one took any shots at me, you know, as far as for, you know, character issues or they thought it were character issues for me bouncing from school to school.

Joe Johnson (54:57)

Right.

Ocho (54:58)

But it wasn't really, Joe. It wasn't really about me getting in trouble and just the fact that my grades were ridiculous. And obviously I had that one fight at Langston University where I got thrown out, but outside of that, it was nothing for him, Just school. I told him. I told all scouts. I told all GMs, Listen, I just want to play football, man. I. I didn't want to go to class. I didn't want to. I didn't want to go to school. That wasn't my focus. And I felt I was good enough. I could skate by. By being great at football and, you know, put school last.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (55:27)

Right.

Ocho (55:27)

I told. I told the truth.

Joe Johnson (55:32)

The Chiefs informed right tackle Juwan Taylor that he will be released before the start of the NFL's new year, barring a trade. According to Adam Schefter, the move will save the Chiefs $20 million against the salary cap and allow them to be under the cap when the league's new year starts March 11. While Taylor was productive in pass blocking, he struggled with penalties, committing 49 penalties. 40. Excuse me. He committed 49. Ocho. 41 of them accepted. In 45 games with the Chiefs, the most of any lineman during that time. No one is surprised by this move. We knew he was going to be a candidate to be released or a heavy restructured pay cut, reduced salary. So I don't think anybody's surprised by this move.

Ocho (56:15)

Nah, not. Not with the belief. Not with the way he played, huh? Especially last year. I mean, that many penalties always costing your team. He put them in. In very bad situations consistently, you know, throughout the season. So I know they're looking forward to probably drafting somebody. I'm not sure if they're going to move somebody else to the right tackle position.

Joe Johnson (56:34)

Well, I think they're gonna move. I think they're gonna move somebody because you remember Simmons that they took with Ohio State, Kid who played really well, and then he had some personal issues that he had to get resolved. He's going to go to left tackle, and they. They had a guy at left tackle when Simmons were out.

Ocho (56:48)

I think they're gonna bump right to right tackle. Yeah, but he. He was bad.

Joe Johnson (56:52)

And so, you know, obviously, Trey Smith, who's a perennial law pro, he'll be back at right guard. Creed Humphrey, who. Creed Humphrey, who's one of the premier centers in all of football. He's back the man down the center. I don't know who they're gonna have at left guard, but I think they, you know, they need a running back. They need a running back, and they need some wide receiver, and they're the one thing. Look, if. If we do know if love is there, they're taking love. You just got to hope somebody don't zoom up, don't get him and take him. Yeah, but, yeah, they. They got some. They got some issues, and hopefully my home is on track to be able to go. They might put him on the pup List who starts to see that he missed the first four games of the season, but we'll see how that plays out. All right, Ocho, Joe, it's time to play a favorited by prize picks.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (57:42)

Hey, we've been hitting on this, ain't we?

Joe Johnson (57:44)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cage Cunningham, 9.5 assists.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (57:53)

Joe, hold on. Who they playing? Cleveland first.

Joe Johnson (57:57)

That's.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (57:58)

That's in Detroit.

Joe Johnson (57:59)

Yep.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (58:00)

Yeah, he. Yeah, he gonna get that.

Joe Johnson (58:03)

Okay, we going more con canipple. Two and a half threes at Dallas.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (58:10)

I don't care where they playing. You can ring him up. That boy. They're on fire.

Joe Johnson (58:16)

Stefan Castle, 2.5 turnovers. They play Philly, Philly comes to them.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (58:24)

2.5 turnovers. So he gotta get what, three? He can't get three. He handled the ball a lot.

Joe Johnson (58:34)

He does. Yeah. He's gonna have. He gonna have Let you believe he'll have three or you believe he'll have two?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (58:46)

I think, I think he. I. I got him. Less. I got. I don't think he'll have three. He may get two. I don't think he gonna have three.

Joe Johnson (58:55)

Victor Wembanyama will have more than three and a half blocks. That means you have four, because ain't no way you're gonna have for anything.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (59:04)

Yeah, Yeah, I think you're gonna have four.

Joe Johnson (59:08)

So we going more. Yeah, More. Less. More.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (59:13)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (59:14)

Okay.

Ocho (59:15)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (59:16)

25 to win a buck 50. Download the app today. Use code SHANNON to get 50 in lineups after you play your first five dollar lineup. Prize picks. Good to be, right? All right, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

Ocho (59:38)

Hey, you know what? You know, I forgot to tell you, Uncle Joe. You know I was down there in Houston, right? I got an X. I'm talking about the X from Wade. I'm talking about Wade way, way back. You hear me?

Joe Johnson (59:55)

You too much. That's the only ex I know. Twitter.

Ocho (59:57)

No, no, no.

Joe Johnson (59:58)

It's like, oh, oh, oh. You talk about. You talking about.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (60:04)

Yeah, yeah.

Ocho (60:05)

In 2000, from 2008, you know, I was out with Andre Johnson, right? And she had the nerve, you know, to come up to me and say, oh, I see you still the cheapest man in the world. You know what I told her?

Joe Johnson (60:23)

What you tell her?

Ocho (60:23)

I ain't buying it.

Joe Johnson (60:27)

What you wanted to drink?

Ocho (60:28)

Yeah. Nah, man, Stop playing with me, man. Get up out my face, man. Like, come on now, we talking about. It's been what, 10, 15 years?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (60:40)

She thought things had changed.

Joe Johnson (60:41)

Ain't nothing changed.

Ocho (60:43)

I still, I'm still tight with the E pocket. Still tight.

Joe Johnson (60:45)

You've. You. You've never. You've never bought an extra drink?

Ocho (60:50)

No, I mean, once. Once things. Once that.

Joe Johnson (60:54)

You know, once it's over, it's over.

Ocho (60:56)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if I'm with you, I ain't even. I ain't really spending like that. So if you gone, you definitely get nothing.

Joe Johnson (61:03)

But I'm saying, you would buy a drink. I mean, go out. You go out with the ladies, you say, I want to drink. If Cambodia say

Ocho (61:10)

nah,

Joe Johnson (61:13)

so you ain't buying Cambodia.

Ocho (61:14)

She can get the whole bar.

Joe Johnson (61:17)

But that's what I'm. That's what I'm saying.

Ocho (61:19)

But I mean, we, we, we.

Joe Johnson (61:20)

We.

Ocho (61:21)

We won. We's a union. But I ain't seen you in damn near 10 plus years.

Joe Johnson (61:26)

That's what I'm saying. I say you buy your girl. If she was your late. Your lady, you'll buy her a drink. You're just not buying.

Ocho (61:31)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll play.

Joe Johnson (61:33)

That okay.

Ocho (61:35)

To me, that's like lightweight. Disrespectful. But then. Then how you. Are you still the cheapest man in the world? Yeah. Ain't nothing changed.

Joe Johnson (61:46)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (61:47)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (61:48)

Filthy McNasty for ISO. What was your I'm here moment in the NBA? What did you want to play? Who did you want to play with but never had a chance to. Do you believe DC Will ever be a threat in the East? Much love to all. No, the last one. No, the Wizards. Not gonna be no threat.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (62:07)

But go ahead. They not gonna be no threat. But to. To be honest with y', all, man, I. I got a chance to play with. I got a chance to play against pretty much all my idols that I grew up watching and, and, and, and admiring their games, whether it was Jordan, whether it was Penny. I played with Penny Hardaway for two years.

Joe Johnson (62:25)

Okay. Yeah, Penny was Phoenix.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (62:26)

Yeah. I played with Tracy McGrady for a year. He came to Atlanta. He played with us here in Atlanta. You know, I mean, those guys were everything to me growing up. Them big, tall guards, like, so just getting a chance to compete, getting a chance to get some wisdom from them. You know, I hung out with Penny when we played in Phoenix. Like, go over. He had a big old house in Scottsdale. Uncle Ocho, about 10. About $10 million, I'm talking about.

Joe Johnson (62:52)

It's just.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (62:52)

It's just him living in there.

Joe Johnson (62:54)

He.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (62:55)

He had kids at the time, but they weren't living it. Living with him at that man, lived in 10 million dollar house by himself, man.

Ocho (63:01)

Damn.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (63:01)

We used to invite. I had. I had my partner, Zeus should live with me. He used to invite us over to watch the games. E. He had a chef, the whole nine, man. I. I had a good. My career was great, man. Hey, hey, the NBA don't owe me nothing.

Joe Johnson (63:14)

You know what, Joe? Now that I think about it, I forgot. Anthony Davis got traded to the Wizards also, so him and Trey might be able to do something. I forgot AD was. It was in the Wizards.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (63:25)

Well, well, now, you know, it just depends on what his mind. What 80 mindset gonna be like coming back, you know, hopefully through everything he's been through, you know, coming to Dallas, coming to camp overweight, you know, getting it. Regulating that weight, getting his weight right, and coming in the camp ready to play, man, if. If. Cause I think Trey gonna be ready. I think it's gonna be up to 80 and what he's capable of doing. But they got some great pieces, man. They got a chance to be special, you know, to have a quick turnaround, but that. It's going to be depending on their key players.

Ocho (63:58)

Hey, and Joe, y' all didn't even get that last one. You know that was a joke, right?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (64:05)

What.

Joe Johnson (64:06)

What joke?

Ocho (64:07)

Yeah, my girlfriend said I'm the cheapest man in the world. What did I say? I ain't buying it. You don't get it.

Joe Johnson (64:19)

I. You said an X.

Ocho (64:25)

Same thing. I ain't buying it.

Joe Johnson (64:28)

I got.

Ocho (64:28)

I got one more.

Bethany Frankel (64:29)

Good.

Ocho (64:29)

I got one good one. Not yet. Not yet.

Joe Johnson (64:31)

When we get towards Jay, 1984 out. Uncle Nocho, what was the hardest thing to remember in the NFL playbook? And what was y' all favorite play to run?

Ocho (64:40)

Ooh, I mean, you. Yours was verbish, huh? Yeah, I mean, for me. For me, it was pretty easy for me, obviously, in Cincinnati all those years, we had the number system, so the number system was pretty much easy. And my favorite route to run, it really didn't matter what was called. I prefer people play man to man. They play press or sometimes double team, because Carson and I, we'd always check to a seven route whether they're playing two man, or whether they're just playing cover two in general. I always had a way to beat that coverage. Obviously, a man to man, trying to think. I mean, the. The routes were so. I mean, the. The route combinations were so simple. I write. I write 628. I write 5, 5, 5 20s, 520. I. It's. It's so easy. So easy.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (65:30)

It's easy if you've been doing this your whole life.

Joe Johnson (65:32)

Yes. Because the thing is with the playbook is that they install. You go practice that, and then you don't go back over what they install you.

Ocho (65:41)

Yeah, you gotta remember.

Joe Johnson (65:43)

And then you on to the next day install. And then you on to the next day install. And then you're on to the next day. So if you behind, it's so hard.

Ocho (65:50)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (65:51)

Effing up. That was the hardest things. Like, you know, you had been in the system. I mean, the plays that you had run in college. I run those plays. Cause I had the same coach for four years, so I didn't have to ever learn a new system. And then you get there and everything. The hardest part was. It was backwards. 2, 4, 6, 8. From the time you was this big was to the right. Yeah, well, in Denver, 2468 was to the left. 1357 was to the right. So they said. So they say, you know, a 15, you're going to the left. No, you to the right. Since when is 15 an even number? Even to the right. Odd to the left. Shannon, are you paying attention? Yeah, I am. I know y' all effed up this. Triple X cop sanity. Every time ISO is on, it's welcome to Nightcap feature Unc Ocho and still see. There you go.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (66:57)

Hello. Man, can y' all stop acting like that?

Ocho (67:03)

I'm just. I'm just saying they getting carried away with it now, Joe, man, they.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (67:07)

They eyes are not deceiving them. They know what they seen. Okay?

Ocho (67:11)

I mean, that was. That was two weeks ago, Joe. That was two weeks. That was two weeks ago.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (67:16)

That's all they got to go out for Ojo.

Ocho (67:20)

All right,

Joe Johnson (67:22)

Terrence G. Start bench trade. Bo Jackson. Earl Campbell. O.J. simpson.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (67:30)

Damn.

Joe Johnson (67:36)

Look, we know what OJ What OJ Was accused of and all that other stuff, but the football player, everybody wanted to. If you grew up in the 70s and you played running back 32, you wanted to be.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (67:51)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (67:52)

Now, I ain't telling what somebody. I ain't telling what somebody told me. I'm telling what. Everybody wanted to be him. The Juice. And he was the first black. Had major commercials in movies. Movies. He had hurts. He had car commercials. He had the orange.

Ocho (68:12)

It was him.

Joe Johnson (68:19)

I would. I would start. Me. I'm starting o.j. I'm a bench. Oh, damn. I don't want to. I don't want to get rid of.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (68:41)

You gonna have to, because I know you ain't gonna bench.

Joe Johnson (68:44)

Both or no.

Ocho (68:45)

Cut. Cut. Both.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (68:46)

Cut. Cut.

Joe Johnson (68:47)

Both. Nah, you gotta start. Bench.

Ocho (68:49)

Trade. Cut. Same thing.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (68:52)

You gonna trade Earl?

Joe Johnson (68:53)

You gonna trade her?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (68:55)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (68:56)

Y' all don't see. Y' all too young to remember. I remember Earl. The Tyler Rose.

Ocho (69:04)

Hold on. Earl. Which. Which Earl? And do he with the oil. Yeah.

Joe Johnson (69:09)

Yes. Love you, Blue. The 1977 Heisman Trophy winner. He goes to Houston and he's a three time. Hey, Ocho. He's a three time offensive player of the year. Yeah, he all they had. Well, they had. They had Ken Burrows, double zero, I think they had Mike. Mike Renfro. I'm trying to think who was the damn tight end,

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (69:36)

But damn, they had

Joe Johnson (69:37)

a nice defense, too. They had a Dr. Doom, Elvin Bethe Curly cup. To start. I'm gonna start O.J. i'm gonna trade.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (69:59)

Come on, now. Come on, now.

Ocho (70:02)

Well, it shouldn't even take this long.

Joe Johnson (70:05)

It does. Yeah, it does. Because, look, I only got. You only got. First of all, you only got two years of both in the NFL. What the hell y' all talking about?

Ocho (70:13)

I mean, we talk about Bo.

Joe Johnson (70:18)

Y' all better go back. Y' all better go back.

Ocho (70:23)

I didn't see him in the powder blue oiler jersey with the white helmet running. Running through people's chest. I remember. Jersey torn off. Still move. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm.

Joe Johnson (70:33)

It's tough. Nah, I'm. I'm. I'm a bench bow and I'm a trade Earl.

Ocho (70:39)

That's what. There you go. There you go.

Joe Johnson (70:45)

But. Juan Palafox, 1997. Ocho, what are your three favorite quotes by Unk that you've written down?

Ocho (70:59)

I don't got. I don't got my pad in front of me now.

Joe Johnson (71:02)

Bring the pad on Wednesday. Uncle Mike. 1988. One time for the nightcap squad show held me up in some dark days. Which state has produced the best football players? Texas, Cali or Florida?

Ocho (71:16)

Florida and Texas.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (71:18)

Gotta be Florida and Texas.

Joe Johnson (71:21)

Hey, y' all be sleeping on Georgia now.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (71:24)

Georgia got some good ones now. They produce them.

Joe Johnson (71:27)

Y', all.

Ocho (71:27)

Y'. All.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (71:28)

Y' all produce Texas and Florida.

Joe Johnson (71:30)

Wherever it's warm at. Wherever it's warm at. If you want to look at the best players. Yeah, go where it's warm.

Ocho (71:39)

Yeah, California got some dogs, too.

Joe Johnson (71:42)

Yeah, it's mad at 2215. All hell, King ISO. Hello. Hello. The Ocho for calling the trade destination for Debo yesterday. Fellas, are y' all going to any World cup group matches?

Ocho (72:00)

I'm going as many, as many as I can hit.

Joe Johnson (72:05)

Kitty Fresh. Hey, Ocho. ISO, have y' all watched every day. I am. I've watched y' all every day. I would like a shout out to my fiance. Breach. She has successful surgery to get a defibrillator in her chest. Breach. I think. I think it's Bree. She. Your fiance wants to tell you how proud he is of you and how thankful he is for you. And here at nightcap, Ocho and I and the entire nightcap family want to wish you a speedy recovery. We know you're going to do just great, and congratulations on everything, guys. Look forward to seeing you guys walk down the aisle.

Ocho (72:46)

Oh, yeah.

Joe Johnson (72:47)

I wrestle. I win. Ocho, act like a grandma when you on the phone, when it's lighting with that nightcap sign. Bobby's world. Let's do a nightcap. NCAA bracket winner gets something autographed from the big three. Oh, Joe, what you think? What you thinking, Joe?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (73:08)

Oh, yeah. Oh, y' all gonna lose that one.

Joe Johnson (73:10)

Don't do.

Ocho (73:10)

Don't do that, Joe.

Joe Johnson (73:11)

There you go. There you go, Joe.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (73:13)

I'm just keeping it real. I mean.

Joe Johnson (73:15)

No, you're not keeping it real.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (73:16)

Ocho gonna pick mascots. Cause he ain't gonna know.

Joe Johnson (73:24)

Tim being say, if math ain't math, it was a person would be me. Yeah, man, me and math. I don't know what it is, man. They start talking about the pie root, and you got five different ways you could solve a problem. Nah, we Alan Fletcher. OO enroll at FAMU and let me do your schoolwork.

Ocho (73:42)

How much you charging?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (73:45)

Try a few grand.

Joe Johnson (73:48)

Ocho, don't you want to do the homework? Yeah, I'm gonna do.

Ocho (73:50)

I'm doing myself. I don't really need no help because, I mean, whoever it is, they ain't gonna be smarter than me. No way.

Joe Johnson (73:59)

Big Mike. Oh. Can you explain when Tyson fought Andrew Galata why he just walked out of the ring, man? He hit Andrew Galata so hard, Andrew lottery side was trying to get him to go back in there. G said, man, I'm done here, man. Y' all go in there and take them. L. T say, well, I'm done with this, man. That man ain't gonna fight. Let me go. R underscore two ass. Thanks for the free entertainment up at cap a lot. OO keep it a buck. With all the money the cowboys got in free agency, in all the money the cowboys got free, they gonna need all defensive players they can get.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (74:43)

Yeah, you're right.

Joe Johnson (74:45)

Yes. The new corner. They need a stud. They need a stud as a middle backer.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (74:51)

Somebody who can.

Ocho (74:52)

Who can.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (74:52)

Who can rig have it.

Joe Johnson (74:53)

Somebody gonna go get that cut. The quarterback.

Ocho (74:55)

Hey, hey, Joe, I know that's your team, right Joe? But if you look at, if you look at what Jerry Jones has always done every off season, when does he ever spend in free agency? When does he ever make a big splash?

Joe Johnson (75:06)

You say this, you're gonna be different.

Ocho (75:07)

He's Joe, Jerry never spends a free agency. Jerry never makes a splash. He makes a splash with his own players and he waits until the last minute to make that splash. But he's just never done it. And going to acquire someone from the outside in free agency and brings them in, that can make a huge difference and this would be the year to do it. Now, he always says a lot of things that he's going to do, but he never fulfills them.

Joe Johnson (75:34)

He, he, he, he spent early, you know, he went got ta to. You remember Ocho, he gave her two first rounders to get Joey Galloway. I think the thing is, is that he's kind of been burnt with some of the free agencies that he's gone. It's not, it's who you get in free agency.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (75:52)

Right.

Joe Johnson (75:53)

And so he's kind of missed and it's kind of got him gunshot. So he's kind of heaving it right now.

Ocho (75:59)

Okay.

Joe Johnson (76:00)

But I, I'm gonna take him at his word on Joe, he said he gonna spin.

Ocho (76:02)

Okay, I know, I know, I know who he going to get then. That's the case.

Joe Johnson (76:08)

Righteous. Cato, Louisiana got some dogs too now. They do, they do. They do. Yeah. I mean basically it's, it's Florida, Georgia, Texas, Cali, Louisiana. Then you probably go what, Ohio? I would say that a lot. Ohio normally have linemen.

Ocho (76:31)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (76:34)

We, the southern states normally have the speed guys, wide receivers, running back, DBs.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (76:39)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (76:41)

Texas, the quarterbacks, Cal quarterbacks. Because you know, you got two guys, you got ST and you got Bryce Young and you got Jane Daniels.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (76:52)

Yeah.

Joe Johnson (76:57)

So that concludes this episode of Nightcap. I want to thank you guys for tuning in and joining us. We greatly, greatly appreciate that. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite unc. That is my partner and co host, Liberty City's own bingo great, Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And the University of Arkansas alum, Arkansas Little Rock native, a seven time NBA all star with the Atlanta Hawks, ISO, Joe Johnson. Thanks for jumping on with us tonight. We appreciate that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (77:25)

Thank y' all for having me, man.

Joe Johnson (77:26)

Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. You got something you want to say?

Ocho (77:36)

Hey Uncle Joe, I got my joke. You ready?

Joe Johnson (77:43)

Yeah.

Ocho (77:44)

Hey Joe, what's that? What generation? As far as Gump,

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (77:51)

what generation is Forrest Gump?

Joe Johnson (78:02)

Oh my goodness. I know.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (78:04)

It's got.

Joe Johnson (78:05)

It's some generation.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (78:06)

It's some arts.

Joe Johnson (78:07)

Go. Bubble gum.

Ocho (78:15)

Nope.

Joe Johnson (78:16)

I don't know.

Ocho (78:17)

Joe, you got something.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (78:21)

What you got?

Ocho (78:23)

The generation for Forest Gump is J. Remember, far as Gump, the girl name was Jenny.

Joe Johnson (78:38)

Jenny. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. Do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you again for your support and your continued support. Those looking to take to get a bottle of Shade by Laportier head over to laportier.com but you can't find it any state or city near you. It is the best tasting premium vessel P cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. And thank you guys for tuning in to the Nightcap discord. We've launched that it is pinned in the chat. Make sure you go over there and check it out and leave. Leave us some comments and let us know how we can improve the show. I'm U.N. he's OO. He's ISO. We're off tomorrow. We'll see you back on Wednesday. Thank you guys for joining us. Sam. T Mobile has the best plan on the Best network Just ask Kevin Bacon today.

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