Nightcap Hour 2: Wemby REFLECTS on First NBA Finals + James Harden ARRESTED on GUN Charge + Aldon Smith PASSES Away at 36 + A’Ja Wilson and Aces TOP Lynx + Sparks HANDLE Mercury

Summary

Nightcap – Hour 2: Wemby Reflects on First NBA Finals + James Harden Arrested + Aldon Smith Passes + WNBA Rundown (June 14, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this episode of Nightcap, hosts Shannon Sharpe ("Unc"), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson ("Ocho"), and guest co-host Joe Johnson (ISO Joe) dive into instant reactions and unfiltered takes on dramatic sports headlines from the day. Hour 2 is packed with conversations about the aftermath of the NBA Finals — including Wembanyama's reflections and the Knicks’ triumph, James Harden's arrest, Aldon Smith’s tragic passing, and high-scoring WNBA action. The hosts’ signature banter, locker-room stories, and fan voicemails bring humor and depth to the night’s biggest moments.

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NBA Finals: Wembanyama's Reflections and Knicks’ Historic Win

Wemby's Emotional Takeaways ([02:54]–[04:38])

• After losing the Finals to the Knicks, Victor Wembanyama offers candid thoughts on what the loss means to him and his team:

  • Victor Wembanyama:

    "This is the biggest lesson of my life, the biggest learning moment. I can't tell exactly what the lesson is, but we're learning from that for sure. I'm learning more than any other time in my life before." ([03:24])

  • On the razor-thin margin for error in the Finals:

    "Our domination stints are absolute... but our errors, our mistakes are punished so hard… the downs is the reason we lost." ([03:55])

• Panel Reaction:

  • Ocho and Joe agree that youth and coaching inexperience were factors. They note that in the postseason, “you pay double for turnovers” ([04:41]), and postseason mistakes multiply.
  • Joe attributes some blame to coaching, suggesting Ms. Johnson (Spurs coach) was outcoached by Mike Brown:

    "He’s still a rookie him damn self… it’s not just the players. It’s the coaching too, at times." ([07:07])

Knicks’ Greatness and Jalen Brunson’s Ascendance ([08:15]–[10:59])

• Ocho challenges the notion of team greatness:

  "I need you to be great when greatness is required, when nothing else will suffice but greatness, can you be great?" ([08:56])

• Debates about the best Finals run: “Start, Bench, Cut: Dirk 2011, Kawhi 2019, Brunson 2026.”

  • Joe starts Dirk, benches Brunson, cuts Kawhi — citing the context of injuries and team strength ([10:12]).

The “What Ifs” and Great Teams of the Past ([11:30]–[16:15])

• Discussion on Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, the rarity of three-peats, and what could have been if Shaq had stayed and trained differently:

  • Ocho: "If Shaq... could see 25 years forward... he would train his ass off, and he’d be the greatest player to ever play.” ([12:44])
  • Joe and Ocho marvel at Shaq’s physical dominance and lament the missed opportunity to be the GOAT due to injuries and weight.

• Their appreciation for the artistry of basketball and the challenge of championship culture:

  • "It’s a beautiful game, especially when it’s played the right way." ([13:34])

Spurs' Series Analysis

• Spurs’ loss blamed on thin margin for error, inconsistent performances, inexperience, and issues with closing out games.
• Wembanyama’s need to handle “breathing” and composure in big moments discussed ([72:30]–[73:09]).

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Breaking News & Off-Court Drama

James Harden Arrested ([19:54]–[38:30])

• James Harden reportedly arrested in Houston for misdemeanor unlawful carrying of a weapon; gun was not in a holster ([19:54]).

  • The panel discusses state gun laws, late-night trouble, and personal habits about nightlife.
  • Joe shares:

    "Ain't nothing open around that time but the legs, gas stations, and Waffle House." ([20:50])

  • Ocho: "My grandfather used to always say, boy, if you got to take a gun somewhere, you don't need to be there to party." ([32:16])

• Sidebars include club stories, athlete routines postgame, and the importance of “performance” off the field — full of signature Nightcap levity.

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Tragedy: Aldon Smith Passes Away ([41:07]–[49:00])

• Chad Ochocinco reads a statement from the 49ers on Aldon Smith’s sudden death at age 36.
• Discussion covers Smith’s on-field dominance (33.5 sacks in first 32 games), public struggles with addiction and recovery, and recent efforts to mentor others.
• The hosts open up about personal experiences with addiction — both their own families and themselves:
  • Ocho on the daily fight with addiction:

    “Just imagine you being on parole for the rest of your life... if you got an addiction, every day and not partake.” ([44:27])

  • Joe shares his father’s battles post-prison ([48:00]).
  • Ocho: “The same things that make you great make you fallible.” ([45:24])

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WNBA: Highlights from a Massive Night ([49:52]–[59:54])

A'Ja Wilson & Aces Top Lynx ([49:52])

• A'Ja Wilson posts 24 points, 10 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 blocks in the Aces’ 6th straight win; Chelsea Gray hits clutch free throws.

• Ocho argues A’Ja should be the franchise cornerstone if starting a WNBA team today ([50:53]).

  • “She’ll walk in double-double, and she played both ends of the court.” ([51:12])

• Recognition for rising stars Olivia Miles (career-high 29 for Minnesota), and reminiscing about legends like Maya Moore and Lisa Leslie.

Sparks Handle Mercury; Kelsey Plum's 43 ([56:58])

• Kelsey Plum posts a career-high 43 points in Sparks’ double OT win over Mercury, with Kalil Cooper scoring 41 in defeat.
  • Joe: "That lefty, she cold... she understands the game, bro. I enjoy watching her play." ([57:41])
• Conversation about the evolution of the women’s game and the newfound financial rewards through the WNBA and Unrivaled League.

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Fan Engagement & Finals Fallout ([60:08]–[83:06])

• Multiple fan voicemails — Knicks fans gloating, others marveling at Brunson, and calls for respect for Ocho’s Finals pick accuracy ([60:13], [69:54]).
• The hosts break down Brunson’s clutch gene and how Mavericks “couldn’t have” unleashed him like the Knicks did.
  • Joe: "Jalen Brunson is that good... When you know the ball is coming to him and he still delivers. Get that man his props, bro. Bad boy." ([63:57])
• Debates about Spurs’ future — need for a true closer, aftermath for coaching staff, virtue of tough lineup changes.
• Listeners thank the show for helping them through tough times — "Nightcap has given us some great laughs... my wife says it’s been helping her to laugh when she needs it" ([65:07]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Wemby’s Lessons: "This is the biggest lesson of my life..." ([03:24])
• On Greatness Under Pressure: “I need you to be great when greatness is required, when nothing else will suffice but greatness, can you be great?” – Ocho ([08:56])
• On Club Culture: "Ain't nothing open around that time but the legs, gas stations and Waffle House." – Joe Johnson ([20:50])
• On Shaq’s Potential: "If Shaq... could see 25 years forward... he'd be the greatest player to ever play." – Ocho ([12:44])
• Addiction & Athletics: "The same things that makes you great makes you fallible..." – Ocho ([45:24])
• On Jalen Brunson: "Nobody's been better than him... especially in clutch game situations" – Joe ([63:57])
• WNBA Praise: “She’ll walk in double-double, and she played both ends of the court.” – Ocho on A’Ja Wilson ([51:12])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:54] – Wemby’s postgame reflection
• [03:55] – Margin for error in the Finals
• [10:12] – “Start, bench, cut” Finals debate
• [12:44] – Shaq’s GOAT potential discussion
• [19:54] – James Harden arrest news
• [41:07] – Aldon Smith’s passing and addiction talk
• [49:52] – WNBA: A’Ja Wilson and Aces’ win
• [56:58] – Kelsey Plum’s 43-point night
• [60:08] – Voicemails from Knicks fans, Brunson praise
• [65:07] – Listener: How Nightcap helps in tough times
• [73:50] – Brunson’s clutch Finals performance contextualized

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Episode Takeaways

• Knicks’ first NBA title in 53 years celebrated, with Jalen Brunson praised for his Finals MVP (average 32.4 ppg and a 45-point closeout).
• Wemby and Spurs exposed to painful playoff lessons; issues of maturity and needing late-game poise.
• The panel discusses serious real-life consequences (James Harden’s arrest, Aldon Smith’s death) and shares personal stories about adversity, mentorship, and addiction.
• The WNBA’s star power and growth are celebrated.
• Nightcap is beloved by fans for authenticity and laughter — even helping listeners through hard times.

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In short: This jam-packed episode is a blend of real talk, expert basketball breakdowns, jokes, nostalgia, and empathy — with the hosts showing why Nightcap is a new staple of late-night sports talk.

Transcript

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

everything. You know what? Everything ain't meant for me to get. Let's take a listen to what Wemby had to say after the game. Victor, I know it's the end of a tough series. I'm just wondering if you can put into words what it was like to watch that team celebrate a championship on your home floor. And does that give you and the team maybe motivation, fuel going in to whatever's next?

[Victor Wembanyama]

I think that's compared to anything before. This is the biggest lesson of my life, the biggest learning moment. I can't tell exactly what the lesson is, but we're learning from that for sure. I'm learning more than any other time in my life before.

[Joe Johnson]

Every team we faced so far, you

[Chad Ochocinco]

guys always found a way to get over the top eventually.

[Joe Johnson]

What.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What did you learn about how hard it is to win the finals against this Knicks team where they kept coming up with answers? Brunson just could always score, no matter what.

[Victor Wembanyama]

In the end, I learned. One of many things I learned is the margin of error is very, very thin. Our domination stints are absolute. We absolutely, absolutely dominated for most of the series, but our errors, our mistakes are punished so hard that we can't have ups and downs like this so much. You know, the ups. Okay, the downs is the reason we lost.

[Joe Johnson]

Facts.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe, we've been talking about this all. We talk about this, Joe. We talk about this all the time. In postseason, you pay double for turnovers. Y. Yep, you pay double. The question is. And we don't. We talk about this in football, when the mo. You have the momentum, how much separation can you put between you and the team? Because they gonna go on that run.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The.

[Joe Johnson]

The. The spurs low was just too damn low. Yes, it was just too damn low. Yeah, I. I mean, Ocho, granted, you had the Knicks the whole postseason, bro, but. Yes, sir, for the spurs to just dwindle, just give away games the way they done down the stretch, bro, I mean, I. Outside of being fatigued and, you know, obviously we don't want to keep throwing the immature thing out there, but, hell, I don't know what else to tell you, bro. I think, like Wimby say, I think hopefully they will learn from a lot of these losses from this series alone, and hopefully it'll be better in the future. But carbon copy every game up double figures, blow the lead and lose.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And see, that's what's so frustrating, you know? Oo.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If you make a mistake one time, I put my arm around and say, oh, Barry, you made a mistake, bro. We can't do that no more.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But guess what? Two days later, oo, you do the same mistake. And then two days after that, oh, you do the same mistake. And in two days after that, oh, you do the same mistake. Now, either one or two things you will f up or you not receiving the message that I'm giving you. Yeah. Or I need to give you the message in a new form.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's not that, Joe. Oh, Joe, it's not that complicated. It's really not either the message that I'm trying to give you, I need to change the form in which I'm giving it to you.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Or,

[Chad Ochocinco]

and my coach used to say, son, I need a new player. I need a new player, son.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, but, but, but, but why are you talking. Ms. Johnson got out. Coached by Mike Brown.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He did.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we gotta understand now this, hey, Ms. Johnson, even though he's inherited a great young team.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

He's still a rookie him damn self.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, so I, I, I, I, I kind of see, I can kind of see where the, where things don't go so great for them down the stretch, man. It, it, it's not just the players. It's the coaching too, at times.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I, I don't know how calming or soothing voice that he has in the huddle because it seems like when the bleeding, they can't stop the bleeding.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because the thing is, Ocho Jo,

[Joe Johnson]

it's

[Chad Ochocinco]

like when, when, when the Knicks go and they run or the spurs need to make a shot, they can't get it. And it seems like every time the Knicks need to make a shot, they can get it. Every time they're gonna get to the free throw line or they gonna get, they gonna, they're gonna find a way.

[Joe Johnson]

Every time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And the spurs could never, could never.

[Joe Johnson]

Every time, Every time it seemed like the Knicks came up with big play out the big play, bro. When they counted, when it really counted.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And that's all that matters. Joe, me and Ocho, we talk about this all the time. Oh, they got a great offense. They got a great defense. Yeah. Well, if you're great, can you get done what you need to get done when you absolutely, positively gotta have to have it?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When you need a stop, can you. If you're a great defensive team and you need to get the ball back for your Offense, can you. If you an offense and you.

[Joe Johnson]

Great.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Can you get a first down to stay on the field? Can you convert that third down? Can you get your team in field goal range? Can you get that? What are we talking about? I don't need you. Everybody can be great when. When greatness. That's not required.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I need you to be great when greatness is required, when nothing else will suffice but greatness, can you be great?

[Joe Johnson]

Right. Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because if you're not, I mean, what are we. What are we doing here? What are we. What are we doing? What are we talking about?

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, I just. I can't even put it into words, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

From. From.

[Joe Johnson]

From a Spurs perspective on how this series went, like,

[Chad Ochocinco]

Start, bench, cut. Joe. Dirk, 2011. Kawhi, 2019, Brunson, 2026.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on, man. Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, that. That's their best years, though, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Come on. Cause that boy, that Dirk. Dirk put them boys out when. When Braun and D. Wade was at the. Come on, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

At the apex,

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe. Different Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Who coming up with these questions? I wanna know. Come on. Who you say now?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Dirt.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dirt. 2011. Kawhi 2019. Brunson, 2026.

[Joe Johnson]

You say cut, bench, start.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, start, bench, cut.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm starting.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wherever you want to do it.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm starting Dirk. There's no answer for that boy. Brian never had no answer for him. Sorry.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know what to tell y'. All. Start, bench, cut. All right. I'm gonna have to be.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See if we still together, because I got. I got my. I got what. I know what I would do.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna have to bench. I'm gonna bench. I'm gonna bench Bronson. I might have to cut Kawhi.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's exactly what I was going.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Had Kawhi. Had Kawhi gone through a healthy Kevin Durant and beat the Warriors, I would start Kevin. I would start Kawhi.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I would bench Dirk, and then I would cut Brunson.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely. If Kevin Durant would have stayed, if he wouldn't have tore his Achilles in that series, we all. We all know what we all felt.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Would it be different?

[Joe Johnson]

We all felt that the warriors would have won that series.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. I mean, they would have been. They would have been a 3P for them, wouldn't it?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh? Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

But being healthy, bro, plays a major part.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, what. What's the last NBA team to 3P, Uncle Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hell, Lakers.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Kobe and Shaq.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Kobe and Shaq.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They Put a whole lot of 3ps. You got the Lakers. Have you got the bulls in the 90s? You got the, the cell. You got the lakers in the 2000s, bro. You gotta go all the way, all the way back to the Damn. The Celtics in the 60s, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

You know. You know how good you got to be. The 3pMan.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe. What's up? I mean, those, those Lakers teams that were three feet. Were three. That three, Peter, Right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The meat and potatoes of those teams was Kobe and Shaq were the supporting. Were the supporting role players. Were they that good?

[Joe Johnson]

Hell, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Derek Fisher, O. Grant. You got Rick Fox, Robert Ory.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Robert Ory. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got Brian Shaw. Robert Ory. Yeah, they were very.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So hold on now. Now think about this. If we could rewind, if we, if we could rewind back the time and Shaq knows what he knows now, you think he still leave that team knowing that we could probably maybe go. Maybe go four, maybe five, if you keep the band together.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Knowing what he knows now, ignore what he knows now, if Shaq. If you can take Shack. Okay, Shaq, this is what's gonna happen. This is 20 years, 25 years forward, and I say he can see all of that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He would train his ass off, and he'd be the greatest player to ever play.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

How many more championships do I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Five, Six in a row?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Straight in a row.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

That boy was dominant.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ojo.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, you know, hey, Joe, I ain't watch basketball back then, but you see it because the certain names, it always pop up on espn, so you have no choice but to see the highlights. Yeah, I, I, I have a great understanding on how great Kobe is. Obviously, you know, you know, going to a few courtside games with my son, he, he was so. Little joke.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Before Jersey on.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't know, man. This has been really enjoyable the past year, getting a better understanding of the game, you know, as I've been able to watch it and trying to, to learn how to, how to, how to talk it.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, it's a beautiful game, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It is.

[Joe Johnson]

It's a beautiful game, especially when it's played the right way.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right way.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And that's the one thing I get the Knicks credit, Uncle Ocho. They played the game the right way. Obviously, Brunson has been the catalyst, but for the most part, they've beat you in numerous, you know, numerous situations, whether it's og, whether it's bridges, whether it's catch, whether it's their bench, whether it's Brunson, you know, they beat you in so many different ways, bro. It hadn't really, you know, just been a dominant figure, but tonight I thought Brunson put his step on the game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Shaq trains like. I know like. Like I say you want. I mean, I know like the trainer that trained Shaq used to train me. And so I. And I've seen Shaq in the gym, man, Shaq was strong. Shaq bench over £400.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ain't no basket. Yeah, Shaq can over £400. I've seen Shaq bench £300 10 times. I seen it with my own eyes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Shaq was strong, so he. He's strong like Oakley strong.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, but the thing is, Oakley, it.

[Joe Johnson]

It ain't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I see Oakley 275 for 10 times, 10 left reps. Yeah, with my own eyes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And them boy strong like me, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Ojo, it ain't even necessarily for me about him being the strongest. It's how nimble he is at his side. Yes, that's what made him great.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because I don't think 325, 330.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gotta realize that when Shaq was at the end Lakers, Shaq was probably like 350, 360, but could move though, that guy.

[Joe Johnson]

But K, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But see, but see, yes, he can move, but a man. God didn't intend for a man to be that size to be able to move like that. And it broke him down. And so it started. His knees, his feet, his ankles, things. Things started to bother him when he was 325 to 335. You couldn't see him.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, what was he when he was in Orlando?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Probably 320, 325, tops.

[Joe Johnson]

You think he was that heavy? I don't think he was at heaven

[Chad Ochocinco]

when he came in. Probably when he came in, he's probably three.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He looked real slim when he was in Orlando, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, Ocho, man, you gotta. You gotta look up some of them games when he was playing at LSU in college, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You were nice.

[Joe Johnson]

Ah, you know what?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe, remember that move? I think was him and Jordan probably in the All Star Game, and they

[Joe Johnson]

were playing around and he crossed him up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

How the hell he moving like that? Looking like a goddamn point.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, that boy was a gazelle. Early in his. Early in his career, that boy could run the flow. He was nimble. He could handle the rock. He could do everything, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Shaq had 15 blocks in a game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, the only thing he struggled with was his free throws and the three.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, that's it, bro. And then he developed a jump hook and a soft touch around that bucket.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It was a rap.

[Joe Johnson]

It wasn't nothing you could do with him. Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. Let me see something here. In 1992, when he got to Orlando, he was listed at 301.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, he's 300 pounds.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gotta realize, man. Do y'. All Real people don't realize. I don't know if they've ever seen Shaq in person. He's the biggest man I've ever seen in person. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he big. Big bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I've seen some guys that probably outweigh him as NFL, you know, J. O. I played with Jonathan ogden. Jonathan was six, nine and a half. Jonathan Ogden weighs somewhere like 340. He said he got as much of it. 350. Yeah, but you see Shaq 7:1. When you that tall, do you know how much weight you can put on a body? Shaq can easily be £600, man. Do you know how much you could. How much weight you could put on a body? A man his height?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco]

man. Do y' all realize how Shaq. You see Shaq Pros vs. Joe's. You see Shaq running the party. You see Shaq swimming, You see that Shaq catching passes? No, he athletic. He the big. He the biggest. Most athletic guy I've ever seen.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, I got facts. Facts, fact. That boy nimble now,

[Chad Ochocinco]

bro. If he could project and look forward and then go back to do it. Oh, he absolutely. He tell you Shaq supposed to be in the conversation for the goat.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not just the most dominant. Shaq's supposed to be in the conversation for the goat. When you talk about magic, you talk about Jordan, you talk about Kobe, LeBron, whoever your goals are.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Shaq's supposed to be in that conversation.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's how great he was. That's how great he was. If he. If he just kept his weight down and trained like he's supposed to, he'll tell you. People don't realize, man. People don't realize how great Shaq was, man. I do, because I saw his ass in college.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. He was special. He was special.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He was unguardable.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We never see nothing like that again, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Never. You'll never see anybody his size to be able to move like he could. No. You'll never be able to see it as agile as you. You think Joel Embiid is. He couldn't see Shaq.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah. Cause we ain't seen nobody since here.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who. Whomever, Whomever you think the best defensive sitter is. Shaq in his prime, is giving him 40. 40. Embiid, Wimby, Jokic, whoever gave him 40,

[Joe Johnson]

you're gonna file out, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

People have four, three, four big man, just for Shaq to have 20, to have 18. 24 files.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep. You gonna file out. That's the filing, Mojo.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you couldn't stop me getting the ball down low. He gonna break and he gonna bring the backboard down on your head, man. What Harpo say it gonna rain on your head. James Harden was reportedly arrested by the Houston Police Department early this morning on the misdemeanor unlawful carrying of a weapon. Harden was allegedly taken into custody at 3:41am for carrying a handgun on the seat of his vehicle, with authorities alleging the handgun was not in a holster. Ocho, Joe, remember, they say nothing good happens after midnight.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Good happening.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wait a minute. If you have. Hey, ain't Houston the open carry state?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but I think you got to

[Chad Ochocinco]

be in a holster.

[Joe Johnson]

Got to be in a holster.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, you, you would hope the officer or whoever it is with a kind of cutting some slack and have it on the seat for a reason. Hey, get to it in a, in a certain situation. So I, I kind of get it.

[Joe Johnson]

I kind of get Ocho. Ocho. Oh, ain't nothing open around that time but the legs. Gas stations and Waffle.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Waffle House.

[Joe Johnson]

That's it. That's it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you know what, Joe? I don't know about you and Ocho, but I never been a guy that like to hang up, be out that late now.

[Joe Johnson]

I used to be out. I ain't gonna lie to you now. I used to be out there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I would shake the cup before dark. Yeah, yeah, but after dark, I'll be in, right?

[Joe Johnson]

You know what? I ain't really. I ain't never been no after hours spot, dude. You know, I mean, after we go to the spot. I'm trying to take my ass home. I ain't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got homie time. Hey, man, let's go to the after, man. Damn that. I'm going home.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, but you, you all know my, my black ass don't club, so.

[Joe Johnson]

You ain't never used to club ojo, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't drink, Joe. So what am I doing in that environment?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't drink either.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, you used to club on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I, I, I'm like, Joe, I ain't no after about it, you know, I mean, there been times that I go up in the club, take the shirt off.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You got your shirt off in the club, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you just said it.

[Joe Johnson]

Ojo Ocho. The football cast that I hung around and came up with that, what they

[Chad Ochocinco]

did, that was typical.

[Joe Johnson]

They were gonna take their shirt off. Yeah. They were gonna be sweating,

[Chad Ochocinco]

carved out of granite, looking like an African God.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dripping out my body, beating it. Yeah. What, what you think they think? The little young lady thinking.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They need to be sweating like that on top of me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The only place I used to go, Uncle Joe, is during my playing days. I used to go with my homeboys. They were from Cincinnati, Main Los Rico and my homeboy, Locke. After games, you know, I go to the skating session.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Play at one o'.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Clock.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

To the skating session, which is like, you know, seven to 10.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I go skating after every home game. I go roller skating every home game. That's how I get my soreness out.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I go before I go to the stadium next morning and every blue moon, I go to a spot they used to call Annie's. A little spot they used to call Annie's. We go in and hang out. I don't drink. I get my little Red Bull. I get my cranberry juice. I mix it together.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Put it in a little glass. Put a little lime on there. Man, I sit there the whole night.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, that's it. That. That's the most I'm. I live in Miami, Joe. I ain't even been to club Live yet.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Dave Grubman's still trying to get me to come to live. You don't have to pay for no section I say, Dave. I just. It's not me. That environment. It's not me.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Club Leo owe me some money here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What you did?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What happened?

[Joe Johnson]

As much money as many times. I don't parted in club live here. They owe me a little money. They owe me some. But you mean.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I know. I want. I know one thing, Joe. I love hearing the story, though.

[Chad Ochocinco]

About.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

About.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, I had a good time now. I had a good time, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I.

[Joe Johnson]

We.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I didn't really go out. I think I went out one time. Went out one time after the game. That was after we won. After we won the AFC championship game in 98. Other than that, the. Joe, I'm going home. I. I wasn't gonna be able to do anything. I tried to have sex one time after the game. Locked up.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Girl thought she had to. Thought she gonna have to call me a man. I was like this here. Hey, hey, hey, Joe, she. Hey, she had to push me, roll me up. I just like this here.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I'm done.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I can't do nothing after no game. I ain't going to do that. I can't do nothing. Do you know. Do you. Oo. I mean, people don't understand how much we run during the course of the game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I lose 8, 10, 12 pounds in the course of a game.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Done.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, not here, boy. We should play here.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't been to hold you. I ain't been to hold you. I can't embarrass myself. The first time I gotta lay out a mean demonstration.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I already.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The first time I'm laid out a mean demonstration.

[Joe Johnson]

I already know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you coming back.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. That first time you were. You ain't playing. You laying low.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I gotta lay out a bean demonstration.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I already know it. I already know it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, y', all, y', all, y', all, y' all ask some of them tricks I told y' all to you till you see your demonstration. I'm telling you, they do more to come back now. You hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That was a problem. I mean, I used to. I used to. I used to have a cramping problem.

[Joe Johnson]

Bad.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, after the game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It didn't matter. After the game, I just had a bad, crappy problem. Hamstring back. Everything just lock up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You mean Charlie horse. I had a charley horse problem.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I had a crappy problem doing activity. You know, doing activity. As Ocho say, horizontal activity.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it was bad.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, it was bad.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Bad.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's bad, Joe. Hey, and I could. Because I. I'm. I'm. I'm a sweater. I perspire. So it got to be six. It got to be like 62 in the room.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Hey, and you in there trying to show out, too. Yeah, I already know it. Huh? Yeah, I already know it. I already know it. I already know it. I already know it. That boy try to show out he ain't playing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you think?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. You think she gonna be talking about Uncle Shay in the group chat?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, she is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I. She gonna be talking. Put out a mean demonstration.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I. Listen, I don't want to get myself in no trouble, Uncle Joe, but, you know, I used to. Had a little. I had a little pamphlet back in the day, you know, it come with a menu, you know, yeah. And yeah, you come with a le me. So based on what you want, you. You get. You get to pick from. You know, you go to the massage parlor.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And they got different packages. You can. You can pick.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, you want.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But I. That's what I used to have back in the day.

[Joe Johnson]

Boy, I'm talking about. She took down to the T. She

[ISO Joe Johnson]

and that they down to the T. What do you want?

[Joe Johnson]

Order it up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm talking about. So like if she got on there, she ordered groceries, ate. She.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, listen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, Lord. Jeez.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, I got. I got some cola. The candle wax delight. You know, 30 minute full play with the candle wax. You know. Hold on. I don't want to get myself in no trouble.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe, hold on about the candle white. The like, man, this man, you're out of damn mind.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna see if I can find one of. One of my old menus. Joe. Yeah. I would like a gigolo in the innocent. Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe, some. Some of the things your man wasn't doing for you, you know, they. I was in a newspaper ad. You. Yeah, you connect me and get that work.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn, I don't know how this man do. I mean, I mean, for me to even think about something like that. I gotta know you about three, four years.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, no, no, you don't. No, you don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yes, I do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I know you don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Off the muscle, off the rib from the top to my. Hey, I meet you and then. Oh, no, sir.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Never in a day.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You got. You got. You got to go to work, right? You got one life to live.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. Oh, he said they gotta pay like they.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wait.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. Package wasn't nothing, you know, $100.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. You know, you probably made. You probably made some good money doing that too. Ain't a man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The big girl like the skinny ones. Because you know, Ocho. Ocho don't gain like £20, £25 since he been out of college.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So. But them skinny, you know, the big girl like them skin, they pay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. You know, hey, Joe, when I used to dance in LA at 97, 98.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

At the right track. You know, you always want to dance for the. For the. The healthy women. I don't want to say big. Are you always.

[Joe Johnson]

They the ones that are paying.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe, you got to understand, boy, I'm a. I'm a young fella with no money and I'm. I'm a good night On a Saturday after a game. I'm getting. Leaving. What? Make what? 2200, Man, listen, man. Yeah, yeah, it was some good days, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I can't. Like I said, like I said, I. I just. I just expend so much energy. And that's why, you know, after the games, when even. Even in high school, I couldn't do nothing. For the most part, I always went home because my grandmother was home, My brother was in college, and my grandmother was home. It was just her, my nephew at the time, my sister was going out, and so my aunt would always, you know, every time I played, I always told him, cuz I had an aunt named Jane, and she would always ride the van or ride the bus back. And I was like, coach, look, my aunt. I said, I can't play if you can't take my aunt home after the game. I understand. You're not supposed to take anybody that's not a team member. Like, well, hell, y' all want me to play on the football, basketball, track team, you want take my aunt home? Cuz she coming. She coming to all the games, you know? Yeah, she coming to football games, she coming to basketball games, and she. Hey, come on, Jay, let's go. But anyway, so I mainly went home. But I. I learned early on, me and, you know, me and the young lady after the game, it was. It was good. I was gonna. I wasn't gonna be able to. I wasn't gonna be able to have the performance.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Like I had on the field, on the court.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So it wasn't no sense to me setting myself up for failure. Right.

[Joe Johnson]

You already knew that. That childhood gonna kick in at the wrong time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I cramped. I cramped. Now. I still cramp now at night in the bed. Wake up, man. Oh, so I wake up in the bed that late, man, that thing be

[Joe Johnson]

still being that cab, muscle calf and hamstring. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I don't. I. I don't care. The only time I cramp, I got. I got to play some. I got to play something. Joe, you know, I play a son. I play Sunday league.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

On the big field, you know, 11v11.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The game like that, I cramp a little bit. If I. If I move wrong, if I turn wrong.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I cramp. A mcalf or mcquad. Mcquad. I catch a little Charlie Horse.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Just cramp. It just a cramp. I ain't never had no issues.

[Joe Johnson]

That mean y' all ain't got no sodium in your body, man. Y' all Gotta get some sodium in your body.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Some who?

[Joe Johnson]

Some sodium. Some salt. Some salt.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, you know, I got. You know what I get from McDonald's? You know, it's salt on my fries, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you know what? I don't like to drink a whole lot, Joe, when I'm exercising. I don't like it slushing right in my stomach.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So I. I'll sip a little bit, but for the most part, in practice, at a two and a two and a half hour practice, I might drink a cup of water.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I can't have it on my stomach.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. No, no, no. Hey, not in them. Streaming was pregnant. I'm telling you, bro. Not in the stream. Was hard practice. Like, like, like that I was used to in college. Here, you couldn't put a lot on your stomach. It would come it up, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. And I don't like. You know how some people like. Oh, Joe, you know what I mean? We out there and they put the cold towers in the water. Don't put that on my head. I don't want that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You don't like it?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, hell no. No, no. But look, hopefully this. This situation with James Harden gets resolved. Yeah, I guess the gun laws vary from state to state. Most Southern states open carry, you don't even. It used to be you needed a firearm, a concealed weapon permit. Now you don't even need the permit

[Joe Johnson]

in Georgia, you need none of that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Miami, you don't need it either.

[Joe Johnson]

And.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And you can take it. You can take it anywhere except the federal building.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. Boy, walk around with clips this long and they gone. Come on, man. Yeah, come on, come on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Got drums.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on, come on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, come on. Now, my grandfather used to always say, boy, if you got to take a gun somewhere, you don't need to be there to party.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco]

God, you already know. Somebody spill a drink? Somebody step on somebody, told somebody to touch somebody. Girl, that thing about to snap off.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And I'm one of those guys, Joe. If I. I don't care how bad she is, if I see her with someone.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Let her leave it alone. Yeah, leave it alone.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dumb dumbs. Hey, hey, hey. You got something on your back, you know what I'm saying? Oh, you got something on your back. Oh, you with him? Yeah, Come on, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

What he.

[Chad Ochocinco]

At the end of the day, they still a man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can't just look at it just because you. You're a Bronco. You will disrespect this, man. Come on, bro. Leave that alone.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe, what's happening? What's that, bro? What's that?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's my concealed permit. What?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, that's your concealer. What you carrying? Huh? What you carrying?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, you know, little Sig. Look. 9, 4, 5. I. I can carry my AR15. I just got that. I can't have it loaded.

[Joe Johnson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What the hell you gonna be doing carrying an AR15?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, you know I be hunting, Joe. I know I'd be hunting down, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a military rifle. That guns made for the military.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I know, I know it's made for the military, but you just never know, you know, down.

[Joe Johnson]

What you hunting with a damn ar, though?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, like sometimes the.

[Commercial Announcer]

The.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The squirrel, hopefully in the military,

[Joe Johnson]

you hunting with an ar.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Like, I ain't gonna eat him. I'm just.

[Joe Johnson]

He can't.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He can't be coming in the house, man, messing up my garbage.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you said you send a message. You sending a message?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's it. I ain't trying to hit him. Trying to hit him or just scare him a little bit. Hey, he let his homies know probably what you carry.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What you carry? A Sig. What? A p. What?

[Joe Johnson]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Sig. 9p226 or what you carrying?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, Sig 226.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

How many shots? 12, 16.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I got extended clip in that thing, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

24.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How dare you get a guy. How you get an extended clip in a Sig, huh? I've been seeing a. With this big.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They make anything for you, hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

I'm saying, what you need that many shots?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Photo just in case I miss because I only got one eye.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, well, but what I'm saying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, man, look at the man, it

[Joe Johnson]

don't take that many damn shots, man. That's all I'm saying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All he do is gonna have a bunch of empty cases, empty rounds on the ground.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. Unless you go, hey, you gonna be behind the car with that thing pointed

[Chad Ochocinco]

out,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

letting it rip. Joe, I play. Hey, Joe. I just be cautious sometimes. So, you know, you know, you never. I, I like to think everybody love and like me, you know, But Joe, you never know, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you already know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But. But the thing is, I try. I try to look as much as you try.

[Victor Wembanyama]

The, the, the, the.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The. The. The most dangerous place is the gas station. Oh, so my antenna's up. Yeah, I ain't finna hold you. My antenna is up.

[Joe Johnson]

It make you naturally just paranoid, bro,

[Chad Ochocinco]

by nature that I hate it. I hate being like this man, you

[Joe Johnson]

can't help but, hey, hey, head be on the swivel like you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, it does. And people like, why you, why you looking around? Cause I don't want nobody to get the drop on me. I don't. I mean, I, I mean, look, I mean, there was, there was a time, once upon a time, guys. Yeah, I threw caution to the wind. I leave my keys, I leave the key in the car. I go, I go into the store, get me a couple of round, get me a couple of lottery tickets, buys a honey bun and a drink and come back and not even think anything about it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, now somebody better went to your whole damn car, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Look here. And I just, I just, look, I just, hey. And people, you know, like, bro, just don't, don't walk up on me like that, bro. I did, man, you know. Hey, hey, bro, I don't mean it's the bro. I don't know what you want because I don't know you.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So, hey, so I just, I, I hate and I hate chat. Don't get me wrong, I hate being like that. Yeah, I really, really do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You got, you got to though.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, cautious in today's society. You've kind of left me no choice.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, Right. Facts.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, Joe, when you shoot, how you, how you shoot, Joe? You shoot straight ahead, you know, I, I, I turn that thing to the side, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, bro watching movies now. He, he think he old dog. Yeah. What you mean? Why are you shooting to the side? Hell, what you think you doing?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Because I, I don't want to block my vision because you only got one eye.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If ain't nobody shooting to the side,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm blocking my vision, so I got to turn sideways.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, ain't no, ain't nobody shooting no gun like this. Let that hammer fly like that right there.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, I'm, I'm hoping, I'm hoping like heck I, I ain't never got to use mine, you hear me?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, same thing. Say I got mine for protection, Joe, you know?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

That's what I'm trying to tell you. Two hands all, all day, you know, like that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, like this, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Like that, that there. Two hands out, quick, quick, quick. Yeah, yeah, two hands.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I know what you talk about. Hey, you know what's funny? Hey, you know the dude who always. The self defense guy, the funny clips, you know, the heavyset man.

[Joe Johnson]

I think I know you talking about.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, dog, he be so funny. This is how you disarm a guy with a gun. Come up with all these.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, please.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And then when people try that, they talk about Pop, and then they go,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, him. And he's funny. He funny. I forgot his name.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah. But like I said, hopefully everything works out okay. This is a misdemeanor charge. It's supposed to be holstered. It used to be, Joe. I mean, some states you got to have it in the glove box. You know, Some people, I'm like, there's like, well, the. The. The clip needs to be here. The good. What. What good is it? What good is a gun without the clip in it?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What the hell at all you gonna be done?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you ain't gonna have time to get to that thing. Yeah, please.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They be saying some dumb stuff, and I ain't really trying to do that.

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See full [e-mail] Ocho we have some very sad news. Former NFL pass rusher Alden Smith has passed away at just six years of age and 49 has released a statement. We are devastated by the sudden and tragic passing of Alden Smith. Alden, undeniably talent ensure dominance on the field were on display from the moment he joined our organization, having recorded one of the best rookie seasons in NFL Football League history. Beyond his excellence as a player, Autumn will be remembered for his infectious smile that lit up every room he walked in. Our entire organization sends its deepest condolences to the Smith family and all that knew and loved Alden. In 2024, Smith had attempted to turn his own struggles into a method of helping young athletes adjust to the pressures and pitfalls of such a high profile job. He began the project called I Am Loading with I am Mean Intelligent Movement. The goal was to offer mentorship, recovery coaching for those who had endured similar life challenges that off season. He also served as a mentor to the rookie classes of the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Loss and the Oakland, excuse me, the Las Vegas Raiders appearing on the Keyshawn Johnson's podcast All Facts, no Breaks June 24, Smith told Johnson he was hoping his journey could be a cautionary tale for young players trying to make their way. Alden Smith dead at the age of 36.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Have we found out what the cause was? No, not yet. Huh.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I was reading they say when he arrived at the hospital he was away with doa. Yeah, I don't know. Obviously we know some struggles that he had. Yes sir. You know we were just hoping all for the best he had. I mean, what do you have, 33 and a half sacks in his first 32 games. He was on a. He was on a Reggie White historic pace.

[Nightcap Viewer]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And the demons got a hold of

[Joe Johnson]

him and he couldn't shake him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And I don't know, as the statement read, my thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family and all the loved ones and everybody that knew Alden Smith. Yes, sir. It's just. It's just. It's just sad. It's just sad. 36 years of age.

[Joe Johnson]

36

[Chad Ochocinco]

life. You don't know.

[Joe Johnson]

You don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You don't know the demons that a person going through. You don't know what a person is dealing with. You don't, you know? And a lot of times, you know, Man, you are. Yeah, I'm good. I. Are you really good, though? Nope. Are you really good? I, you know, it's.

[Joe Johnson]

A lot of people say that because they don't want to be a burden, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They don't. They don't, Joe. They don't. And I, I, I, I, I, I feel very privileged that every time Burns called me, he'll ask, homeboy, you good? I said, yeah, I'm good. He said, homeboy, you really good now, or you just. Are you just telling me that right? So I'm good.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because this time I'm really good. I, I. They say we create our demons. Yes, sir. Only we can chase them away.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's the hard part, though, the chasing away part.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because, Ocho, every day for the rest of your life, just imagine you being on parole for the rest of your life, you being on probation for the rest of your life, if you got an addiction, if you got an alcohol addiction, whatever it is, you got to go every day and not partake. I've got to drive by a bar, I've got to drive by a liquor store, I got to drive a convenience store. And if I go in the convenience store and I get a drink or I get a honey bun of potato chips, I've got to walk by the beer section, I got to walk by the alcohol section and say something. If I go to. If I go to a restaurant and have dinner with my family, friends, or loved ones, everybody else is ordering. I'm very, very cautious of that. Even when I come on. When they come on Club Shay Shay, if they've dealt with something, we have water, we don't have. We don't offer them a drink, right? Yeah,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

that's hard, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know what it's like because my, My Grand. My dad dealt with that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And I know how I am. You know, I. I come on here and I have, you know, one drink with you. I don't really drink. I don't drink when I'm out, because I know me. I have a very addictive personality. The same things that makes you great makes you fallible, because you don't know how to turn it off. You don't know when to stop training. You don't know when to stop running those routes. You don't know when to stop shooting those baskets. The things that make you the greatest are the things that makes you most fallible.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's how it is with Hurricane Uncle Joe. My old girl, my mama.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, Joe, growing up, a lot of people ask me, you know, I know you drank, boy, you know, you funny. The perception on how people view me from the outside looking in. You would think I drink and smoke weed. No party, sitting on the couch, no shirt, bottle in hand. But, nah, just seeing my mama, Joe, you know, when I was younger and watching someone that I love turn into someone that I didn't even recognize.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Early in the mornings.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It was not breakfast. It's that goddamn tangerine. Makes a ruby red juice.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Grapefruit juice, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Early in the morning, that's your breakfast. At lunch, the same thing. At dinner, same thing. And. And it was a constant. And went, boy, Joe, when she get mad.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, Ocho, your mama drink. Your mama drank that tangle, Ray. What?

[Joe Johnson]

You got to be different, don't. You are.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir. Hey, hey, that Tango Ray, that Seagrams. Yeah, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that. For the hardcore. I mean, you hardcore.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that would. Hey, hey, that would catch drinking back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe. That ain't no. That ain't no Belvedere.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That ain't no Kettle one.

[Joe Johnson]

No, sir.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, well, my grandma used to say, man, girl, you need to stop. You drink it like a fish, it's gonna be the death of you.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Every time they get into it, you stop drinking like a fish, it's gonna be the death of you.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Morning, noon, day and night. You always drinking. What you think my mama died of drinking. Drinking.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, I never. I never. I never. I've never, ever touched a drink.

[Joe Johnson]

I can see. I can see why, Ocho. And that's good, bro. I'm talking about, man. Listen, I'll be honest. Like, I. I didn't really have a relationship with my pops till I was 26. I was already five years into the league. Yeah, he was Just getting out of prison, Uncle Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And we the same. The same thing as.

[Joe Johnson]

As a recovering drug and alcoholic. I didn't. I. I didn't know the signs of that, you know what I mean? So when he get out of prison, he come live with me here in Atlanta.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He exposed to any and everything you could think of, bro. Yeah, you talk about open up a can of worms. Hey, I had to be the daddy. I'm the one at the. Hey, hey, man, you don't need to go out tonight, bro. You need.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right, right, right.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, but he couldn't help himself, bro. He couldn't help himself by any means, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, I've seen that Tango Ray and that. That beef eaters Bartons, Buck A. And that Bombay Sapphire.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. Guaranteed to get, homeboy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, shot, man. Brace over that Bombay Bombay Sapphire. Sit you on your ass and hold on now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know. No, she. She like. You think Wiz Cleaver smoke a lot, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

No.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You think Snoop smoke a lot.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Your mom smoke weed?

[Joe Johnson]

What air came Paul on the front

[ISO Joe Johnson]

porch, Boy,

[Chad Ochocinco]

Paul had the jet and the weed. Hold on, hold on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, I'm talking with the white papers now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Already pre rolled.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn, man, stop playing. Stop playing with Hurricane man.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Ojo ain't. Hey, my mama hit that gas too, now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My mama hit that gas too. Hey, hey. I used to not. I used to. Didn't like to have company. Because as soon as you step. As soon as you knock on our door, you can smell it. You know what I'm saying?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And as a kid, I was like, hell, no, I ain't biting nobody. You know what I mean, y'? All? Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Mama used to get it in, boy. Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That was my baby.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Alder Smith, dead at the age of 36.

[Joe Johnson]

Man,

[Chad Ochocinco]

make sure you got a loved one. You tell them you love him. And Asia Wilson led the Aces past the links 197 for the west lead in the Command Commissioners cup. Excuse me. Asia. 24 points, 10 rebounds to offset a career high 29 points from the Minnesota rookie Olivia Miles. Asia Wilson tonight, 24 points, 10 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 blocks. She's the only player with 24. 10, 2, 2 and 2 in a game this season. Asia and Chelsea gray each made two free throws in the finals final. Two free throw shots in the final 20.5 seconds to help Vegas win this sixth straight game. The top 10 in the east will play the best in the west on June 30th. Minnesota had one eight in a row. Miles had 12 points in the fourth quarter.

[Joe Johnson]

Look, you see Miles, don't you?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, she liked that. But you know what somebody said, I think I read what as you can get that somebody told if they were starting a team, they would start a team with Paige Becker instead of Asia Wilson.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on, man. Come on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You talk about if you. If I'm starting a team in NBA, in WNBA history, I might start with Asia.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, if you tell me I'm gonna get a, a younger Cynthia Cooper, Matt, we might have an argument, but I'm not in today. Right now. If you say right now, I'm gonna start a team.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Taking nobody over. Asia, Man, she'll walk in. Double, double. And she played both ends of the court.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know. I think my girl Lisa Leslie give a hell, though. I think Lisa give her hell.

[Chad Ochocinco]

She too quick for Lisa.

[Joe Johnson]

Lisa was quick, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, that lefty that left it. That. Hey, hey, man, that girl, she bad. She is.

[Joe Johnson]

She is. She tough. She tough. I, I, I think that's been. That'll be a hell of a match up there, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, she. Hey, and then the other night, Chelsea hit. They starting to get back in the rhythm. You see Jackie Young. Jackie young tonight had 29. Yeah, and then you had. Chelsea gray had nine threes the other night. Yeah, but Asia's been to concert. Yeah, 34 and 12. We see tonight she had 24 and twin. I mean, she's just. She's just phenomenal. She just. And she's 30. Let us think, if she, if she wins the MVP, Joe, she gonna have five MVPs by the age of 30.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, she can go, though. She can go. She can go. Hey, man, but this Olivia Miles girl.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, nice. That's one from Notre Dame, Joe, bruh.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, she started at Notre Dame. She transferred to tcu.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Victor Wembanyama]

Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

With the handle. She got the handles, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can do it. All right.

[Joe Johnson]

She had 29 tonight. She cutting up out there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

She could do it all. And look, I'm from Georgia, so I know Maya Moore. Maya Moore. I knew my Moore when she went to college. She's special. She's special. Now, look, she saw a bigger calling for her. Yeah, that she wanted to help.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And it's a man get justice.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And she devoted her life to that.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But as far as a. I mean, she had a jump shot. That girl was phenomenal.

[Joe Johnson]

She had.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, you talk about a midi.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nobody touching. Ain't no ain't no woman touching her midi.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, she was cold. She she understood how to get the spots on the floor and raise up and shoot. She understood the game, let alone just, just just her jump shot like she was cold, bro, she had some she Hey, I ain't gonna lie.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I was selfish.

[Joe Johnson]

When she retired, I'm like damn. Like I, you know on nicotine pouches

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Check this out, Joe Kelsey Plum scores A career high 43 points in the Sparks O2 OT win over the Mercury. Plums career high 43 offset Kalea Cooper's career best 41 and made 14 to 26 shots, five three pointers and was 10 or 12 on five. A 10 of 12 from the free throw line and seven assists. Ray Burrell came off the bench and scored a career high 24 points for the Los Angeles Sparks. And Neca Aguma K actually chipped in with 15 points and 15 rebounds. Damn. 40 points. Brunson get 41, Plum get 43. Kalil Cooper gets 41. Boy, that was balls of balling going on tonight.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe the Plum nice though.

[Chad Ochocinco]

She. Oh man, that lefty.

[Joe Johnson]

That lefty. She cold. She cold. She got great pace. Understanding how to get to her spots as well. She can shoot it like she understands the game, bro. I enjoy watching the play. I enjoy watching her play in the unrivaled league when she played in the one on ones.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, yes.

[Joe Johnson]

She didn't, she didn't win it. But I, I enjoy watching her play.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Look, I see when they, when they. Her and Asia then was on the same team, you know?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Think about her. Asia, Jackie Young.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Chelsea Gray.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All on one team.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you know, sometimes Joe, she like, I like it. But I really shouldn't be the third or fourth option.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And she ain't lie.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

She shouldn't be. She shouldn't. Hey, you got to realize before Clayton Clark, she had the most points for a woman in college in collegiate basketball history.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep. She was a bucket in Washington.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes. She was a buck. Well, let me say, I Say was. That means past tense. She is a bucket.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, she can go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Currently a bucket.

[Joe Johnson]

She can go. She can go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But they, they putting up some. They putting up some numbers tonight. I like this.

[Joe Johnson]

And listen, hey, the game, the girls. Game changing. Fellas.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm. I'm happy for them. I'm. I'm happy that they're making millions of dollars a year.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They just, they, they've earned that right. They put their time in. They're playing unbelievable basketball.

[Joe Johnson]

I like this.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I love. Congratulations to them. Obviously there are a lot of people that, that, that, that paid their dues that didn't make a whole lot of money. The Lisa Leslie's and Lauren Jackson and the Cynthia Coopers and the Cheryl Swoops.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And all those that didn't make a whole lot of money. But that's how, that's how it goes as a sport advances. There's. Look, there are guys that, that played before us. Oh, they didn't make a whole lot of money. Yes, sir. I remember guys saying that, man, they used to have to go get jobs in the off season.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They. They laid the foundation before they laid the foundation.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You're absolutely right. And so congratulations to the WNBA and the women that started starting to finally make a decent. Make a decent living and they don't have to go overseas.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They have the unrivaled league that they can make a couple of hundred thousand dollars on top of the supermax players that's making a million dollars. That's a nice little living. Nice little living.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep. I agree.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now it's time for our final save of the evening. It's time for Q.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey,

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I gotta hit 50 push ups, man.

[Joe Johnson]

What's wrong with this dude?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know. Before we get to our super chat, we got four video voicemails from our discord. Let's take a listen at the first one. It was up. Nightcap. I told you, boy. Bones, baby, five barrels. We did it, baby. We did it. I did it. Yo, we did. Ocho. Tonight be unbearable. Ocho, I want, I want you to talk your crap tonight. I want Joe to be like, oh, so you gotta chill, ojo. You gotta chill, you know?

[Joe Johnson]

Ball, baby.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You spoke that thing. See the power of the tongue, baby. You spoke it and it came to exist. We chance, baby. Wavy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Remember that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We gonna be in your head, boy. Or summer. You know what,

[Joe Johnson]

baby?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Bta.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Bta.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yo, no disrespect, Joe shout out to Atlanta, man. They. They were at least a bit dragon

[Joe Johnson]

in U.S. new York Knicks, baby.

[Chad Ochocinco]

100 blues.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I told you I wasn't gonna blow.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I told you I wasn't gonna do it. I told you how this series would go. I told you who would win game five. I told you it was gonna happen. And I simply understood the assignment. The assignment was we're gonna go to. We're gonna go to San Antonio. The Puerto Rican Day parade is on Sunday, so we're gonna win. So you have. We won. We won the. We won the trophy, won the championship. We come on back, we celebrate, Go out there, party.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It is what it is. Better champs. They earned it. Yep, they did it. Jalen Brunson was sensational. Let's take a listen to our next one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn. I'm swole.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, ISO. And King Ocho. Ocho believed in us from day one. He been saying Nick's the whole time. And Joe been hating. Who's the champions now, Joe said we

[Chad Ochocinco]

wasn't going to win a game.

[Joe Johnson]

Now, love Nightcap.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hello.

[Joe Johnson]

See y'. All.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know I shouldn't have followed Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Here you go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I said. Hey. I said, Ocho. I said the way the Knicks play right now, they be either they beat Thunder or the Spur. You about. Oh, man. Oh, man. They might not win a game. I know I shouldn't have followed you, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I told you. I told you. Hey, listen. Hey, hey. Next year, when we hit the basketball segments, when we hit basketball season, I need y' all to follow behind me. Do you know? You understand? Joe, you don't understand how many people I made money through these series by listening to me on Nightcap, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn all that. Hey, oh, oh, don't be. Don't. Don't be that guy. Don't be that guy. Okay? Don't be that guy, huh? Don't be that guy. Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, congratulations, partner.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I'm saying?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Apologize.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, tell me, you know. Oh, I'm sorry, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on. Oh, come on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Next question. What? Okay, let's go to the next one.

[Joe Johnson]

What up? What up, ISO? Ocho. Hey, man, I got one question for y'.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All.

[Joe Johnson]

Is the defense on Jalen Brunson that bad, or is he just that good? Of. Of a shooter? And three words I know UNC is saying in this first quarter. Lord have mercy. Dear Fox, Julian Champagne. What do you say? You can't accept something in a win that you wouldn't in a loss. Listen, listen. Jalen Brunson is that good, fellas.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He is.

[Joe Johnson]

He is that good. When you talk about being able to create space and keep you off balance, starting, stopping, stopping on the dime, creating different opportunities, nobody's been better than him in that. Especially in the clutch game situations when you know the ball is coming to him and he still delivers. Get that man his props, bro. Bad boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You right, Joe. I ain't gonna hold you on that one. You right. You absolutely right. It's him.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's a special. He's a special player.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And to see a second round draft pick and to see what he's become when getting an opportunity to lead a team, that's what he needed. He wasn't gonna be this. With Luca.

[Joe Johnson]

It was a man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If they could have kept him. Yeah, they could have kept him. He wasn't gonna be this.

[Joe Johnson]

Nope.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because how you gonna have the ball?

[Joe Johnson]

Luca gonna have the ball every time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So he needed his own team. And that's

[Joe Johnson]

Bam.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ocho. I like. I like the way that sound too, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, let's take a listen,

[Nightcap Viewer]

man. I just want to give a shout out to the whole Nightcap family, not just Ank and Ocho and ISO, but everybody involved, you know, from the people who make the wonderful graphics all the time. Y' all really don't use, like, the people who, behind the scenes thank the cameras, even the people in the discord. Just the whole community. You know, I'm grateful. And Nightcap has given us some great laughs. Not just, you know, me, but my wife as well. And I recently had a baby, so postpartum. My wife has been watching Nightcap a lot, and she says that it's been helping her to laugh when, you know, she needs it when she's having a tough time. So she wanted me to put leave that message for y'. All. So thank you again to the whole Nightcap fam

[Joe Johnson]

already, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Thank you. Yeah, thank you. You and the wife. Congratulations.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

On the little one.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What they do say, My grandma always said two is better than one, so I don't know at what point, you know, she's a little healthy, but you get back in there. You get back and have you another one. You hear me already. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[LifeLock Advertiser]

You.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You got to knock them out. Knock them out. Back, back to back, Joe. Back to back. Bang, bang. So I appreciate you watching. I'm glad we can make a difference in. In. In your wife and helping her through tough times with some laughter.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn, man. Said, jump right back in there.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You got to get back into this.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, we're just having one Here.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Here's our last one. That was the last one. Okay. When Fox gets the boot, take Mix Johnson, too.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn already.

[Joe Johnson]

No, they. They ain't gonna do that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got rid of Mitch. I mean, look there. Look. You know, hey, it'll been great. I mean, there are not very many coaches that win, you know, basically their first full year of coaching. Because, remember, he took over for Pop.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

After Pop got sick.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, normally you have to go through something before you become a champion. Everybody don't get to be like, Pat Riley, take over. And then all of a sudden, they start. They. They win championships. But, hey, Victor win Benyama, Barack Obama, Emperor new groove was Llama Nixon, 5. Hey, Ocho. ISO Dallas messed up choosing Luca over Jayla.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you can't. You. You can't necessarily say that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And they would do it again knowing what they know now. They was there, too.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yep. Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Fox and Castle on the trading block. Fox can produce in the clutch. Castle just a defender. Trade them for Greek freak. I would absolutely not do that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I would definitely. I would definitely try to. You know, if me and Joe, we've. We've kind of talked about this. Yeah. Castle and Harper needs to be your backcourt.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. It's just going to be hard to. If you're trying to get rid of Fox with the salary he's going to be making. And I still think he. I still think he's a great player, man. I know you made some unfortunate errors throughout this postseason, but I wouldn't just give up on him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I can't. Yo, a guy making 50 million, I can't bring him off the bench.

[Joe Johnson]

I understand that part. That's why I say either champion overseer, one of them gonna have to go to the bench.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You extremely small when you play with that, with a lineup like that.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, no, Joe was sick. Y' all gave him hell. Spread Lysol using Germic. But. Oh, but ISO been cleared his throat for about two weeks. Damn. Nobody said nothing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn. Joe, where you at?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what? You good, Joe. I was gonna say nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

I'll see. Here we go, boy. Hey, Hey, y'.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All.

[Joe Johnson]

Quickly. Hey, y'.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All.

[Joe Johnson]

Quick to jump on somebody's ship, ain't it, man?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I ain't, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, I ain't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't want to say nothing. Trying to get you, Joe. Let me try to get you, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

And they look. Ain't looking for any little thing, any man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I know. I mean, to Joe, you to have something, you throw the past two weeks over.

[Joe Johnson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, I'm just saying.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I ain't saying it's nothing. I'm just saying, you know, might want to get that check you've been doing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You've been doing that a lot, though, Joe. I'm just saying I've been minding my business over here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I don't know what you got stuck in that joke.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wow.

[Joe Johnson]

This is how y' all acting, too. Too. Wow.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The chat brought it to my attention. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I heard. I just ignored it. I ain't really want to, you know, I ain't want to go there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I want to draw no attention to it, because that's what, you know, we're in this together, so I ain't gonna draw no attention to it.

[Joe Johnson]

All right. Yeah. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Fellas. Chad, I appreciate y', all, but I'm good. I'm good.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right. You sure?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I need to hit another 50.

[Chad Ochocinco]

This postseason has taught us to never question Ocho's basketball knowledge. Nixon. Fine.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, my God.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ocho tell. I saw it on this your show tonight. They can't say basket or ball. Ocho gets an honorary Finals mvp. He tried to tell y'. All.

[Joe Johnson]

Everybody's standing there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So many rich New Yorkers. They basically went and made it a home game. I think it's great for sports. When New York wins, though. It just draws so much attention.

[Joe Johnson]

It is. Did you see all the fans that the Knicks had at that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, man, they tried. They tried to take it out the board. Take it back. Hey, ticket man said y' all can't do that. So if you out of town, you can't buy no tickets.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, did they really cancel people tickets? I saw that. I saw that on Twitter.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They were trying to, but they couldn't.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Good news. The New York Knicks won the NBA Finals. Bad news. New York mayor better call the National Guard.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I've been saying that, boy, seeing

[Chad Ochocinco]

how good the Knicks team is, would they have beaten okc? Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

They got OKC

[Chad Ochocinco]

coaching. Fox need to be investigated immediately. Boy, they own Coach Johnson as much as they own Coach Fox. I mean, dear Fox, they.

[Joe Johnson]

They both told y' all in their press conference. Look, Ms. Johnson said he's supposed to been fired 100 times ago, and.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And 101 might get him.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dr. Frankie Bellamy. When Ocho tell y' all Bears is right. Get your basket.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man. Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

There you go. Doc, Come on, Doc. Come on, Doc.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen to me now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Women needs to learn to stop pulling up from three like he's Curry. The spurs and experience stood out big time. It absolutely did.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Especially late game

[Chad Ochocinco]

Victor women. Yama, Hakuna, Matata, Dame dollar. I think the spurs can use another physical. Athletic at the 5. Also, Fox should be traded for additional pieces if it can be done. Big body Bronson carried the Knicks on his back. Congratulations to the New York Knicks.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wemby was extremely disappointing. He needs to tighten his handle, get the moves and get, get, get on the Giannis weight room program. He definitely needs to get on the way. He definitely needs to get stronger.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

If you come back looking like Giannis,

[Joe Johnson]

he ain't gonna be able to do that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He ain't gonna be able to do that. That's not his body structure.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But he needs to control his breathing, Joe. He needs to go to a breathing expert to control his breathing, Right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He gets so hyped. He gets so worked up so early that he goes anaerobic, and then basically he just like spit.

[Joe Johnson]

Ain't got nothing left in the tank. When they come in that fourth quarter, I, hey, man, look, I even thought, even when the spurs had a game under control and then late in that third quarter, they should have just left him out the whole third quarter. They brought him in with like two minutes left in the third, but they had a nice little lead. I thought they should have left him out the whole third quarter.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The problem is, Joe, is that Cornette didn't give you anything. Cause, you know, if you remember when they played the Thunder, they take, they take him out. Cornette could hold his own.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Cornet won't give him nothing, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nothing. The apologies got to be as loud as the disrespect on Brunson name. I don't think anybody disrespected Brunson. They knew what he was. He's, he was the clutch player of the year. He's been an all star. He's been, he's been, he's been better than advertised coming. If the Knicks thought he was going to be, the Knicks would have traded for him years ago.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nobody saw. I thought he could be good because I saw him when, when Luka got hurt, I didn't think it's gonna be this. Joe, I ain't finna hold you. I ain't think it's gonna be this.

[Joe Johnson]

Right. I, I, I ain't neither. But I think considering the fact that, you know, in this finals Everybody had talked, you know, they talked pretty rough about Brunson the first three games, fellas, you know what I mean? Saying that he was too ball dominant. They needed to, you know, especially game three and four. They needed to go back to Cat and for him to be able to come through the way he did in his finals and win finals mvp. I know he feels, you know, he feels great.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Vindicated.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, man, he shut up. All the doubters.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All the naysayers.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

As a native New Yorker, I can honestly say spurs beat themselves. They need a closer on that squad. I mean, Harper needs to start at the point. Both Kerr and Phil Jackson made tough playoff lineup changes to help the team win. Fox crashing cash and shoot superstar checks with role player receipts. You did, you know, remember Steve Kerr inserted Andre Iguodala. Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Pacers coming for them. Fraudulent Knicks. Easiest run in playoff history. Hold this ale. Pacers are going to put an end to the New York nonsense. The Pacers are the Knicks. Dad. Hey, Ocho, I. So teammate, that would have said Darren Fox on the sideline after taking all those terrible threes. He said what he's asking. What would we have said today? Aaron Fox, after he kept taking all

[Joe Johnson]

those horrible threes when talking about tonight.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes. Tell them, bro. We don't need that. Yeah. Because the thing is, Joe, he was settling.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That joke. Hey, you see that joke? How he's. How he's changing starting stop and getting to the easy get. He can get to any point on the court. He won't.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I. I feel. Sometimes I think guys get lazy and just want to jack up threes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And. And I. I think due to the. The spurs lack of awareness as far as spacing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

It made it hard for a lot of them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Even when wimby.

[Joe Johnson]

Even when WIMBY operates. You know, it made it tough for him at times. You know what I mean? Because they ain't understand the space.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Women needs to develop a post game. He's shooting threes like he's Curry. He does.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And that's what I hate, is that when guys fall, the guys fall in love with it, Joe. Yeah. Like Curry can shoot the three, but Curry put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Facts.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He will

[Joe Johnson]

when we gotta learn, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I had money on the Knicks tonight. So did de' Aaron Fox.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Og now stands for Ocho Gangster. Stop doubting. 85. I was in Philly when the Eagles won the Super Bowl. City torn to shreds. I can only imagine what New York City will look like grats to the Knicks. Someone check on Stephen A. Oh, we spurs need a veteran like Lebron James. To the Spurs. Oh, they if they get a 16 point lead against what? They damn sure he losing that game. Oh, hell no.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he gonna slow that game all the way down.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah. He gonna control the pace.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Congrats to the Knicks. This series had me stressed. Let me go eat some groceries to calm my nerves.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello, hello.

[Joe Johnson]

Whoa, whoa.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

There you go. Hey, hey. I'm glad I could be a good influence on society, man. Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

That's.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's the way to expand your palate, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The man need help. What up, big three? Does this confirm Ostradamas has the most elite basketball knowledge. Oo play. Go New York, go New York, go. Song every night on that show from here on out.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Have y' all noticed they are probably will be the first team to win the season in season championship and the championship. Yep. The end won the NBA cup.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on. Okay, see then. Okay, see, didn't win it last year when they won. They didn't win the cup. I think they won the cup in the.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, they didn't. Milwaukee did. Because remember Lakers. Milwaukee and now Knicks.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, nightcap fam. Can you wish me and my wife a happy 6th anniversary? I most definitely own them rolls tonight. And salt and pepper, Ocho. Hey, absolutely. Damn. Lester. Happy 6th anniversary to you and your wife. Hopefully you had a great day. Hey, start out great, finish it off even better, you know. Hey, do something to something.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Congratulations and appreciate the support. Congratulations tonight, cap. Y' all remember how Mike Brown was like the fifth or sixth coach on the New York that the Knicks interviewed after a few coaches turned the Knicks job down and felt like the Knicks were grabbing at straws with his hire? Yep, I remember that. Yeah, looks like a no brainer. Yeah, refs look the other way. But it's fine. Wendy won't play a game 6 anyway. Put some respect on the Knicks. Stop making excuses. Go New York, go New York, go. No excuses. Yep. I mean, you got a 16 point. I mean, when you come back, do you realize that the other team got to do some dumb stuff for you to come back?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The T W of trading cat to the Knicks was bad on them. But the Mavericks letting Jalen Brunson walk when he was up there with them, Trading with them, trading Luca.

[Joe Johnson]

Look what y' all want him to do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Bronson wasn't gonna beat this with Luca. Y' all see what think about it LeBron James is great as he is. When Luca came, LeBron got out the ball. You think Jalen Brunson gonna have the ball with Luca? Come on, Chat. Braun has had the ball in his hand for 22 and a half season.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And they trade Luca. Trade for Luca and he get off the ball immediately. Brunson is where he's supposed to be. Yep. CP3 would have been clutch in this series just for the Spurs. Even if, even, even if he doesn't play well. Ocho Joe. Maybe he's just a common voice. Say, guys, this is what we need to do.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We took them to the fourth quarter and used endurance. Yep. Took them out to the deepen and

[Joe Johnson]

drowned them every game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Give OO credit. He could have been on the glow tonight. Now it's early in the show and I hope I didn't speak too soon. Congrats. Nah, he didn't glow too bad.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I was nice and relaxed because, I mean, I'm used to winning. I'm used to being right. So I'll just, you know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

There he go. You know, we'll see. We'll see if you ride them with them, them Bengals. Hey, what do you think about LeBron goes to the spurs and wins seven rings?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, he ain't. He ain't going to the spurs, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No. Am I the only one that thinks ISO sounds exactly like Ice Cube when he speaks. Oo you on? I mean, I saw you on that, Cube.

[Joe Johnson]

No, man, I don't. I don't know what he talking about.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All jokes I took in school and life about the Knicks fan is worth for this moment. NBA champions. I never thought I'd see it. Jalen Brunson and the entire Nick team are legends forever in New York. And they absolutely are.

[Joe Johnson]

No question.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Let's go, NBA champs. Ocho is a fortune teller. Thank you for continue to pick the Knicks with Unc and Ocho with Unc and ISO and kept picking with their hearts.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh my God. T. Woods at the bounds. Got to be mad seeing Brunson cat winning a chip Now Villanova Knicks, first team to get the cup and the chip in the same season.

[Joe Johnson]

Wow.

[Chad Ochocinco]

As a short guy who'd been laughed at and looked down on his whole life, I couldn't be more motivated seeing Jalen Brunson success win the both the mv NBA Cup. NBA finals in the same year. God bless him. Him. Go New York, go.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He was sensational. And they needed, they needed this Jalen Brunson tonight.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Jalen Brunson from the Previous four games, Joe wouldn't have pulled him through. No, this was the. This version of Jalen Brunson was needed tonight. And that's what the greats can do when they need the best version of themselves. They can give you that.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And he gave it to you tonight. Congratulations to the New York Knicks. For the first time in 53 years, you are the NBA champion. Jalen Brunson is the finals MVP. Average 32.4 points per game with a bucket. Only two guys in a closed out game to give you 45 as guards. One Jalen Brunson and the other. It's Michael Jordan.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite uncle. That is my partner and co host. That's Liberty City's own. That's the guy that picked the Knicks to win the NBA Finals. That is Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the seven time NBA all star University of Arkansas alum from the Atlanta Hawks. That is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys. Thank you as you stayed up with us so many nights before. Thank you for staying up with us one more time. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shade by Laportier, head over to laportierconjac.com to purchase you a bottle. If it's currently unavailable in a state or city near you. It is a premium VSOP cognac. The best tasting, smoothest VSOP cognac on the market. Don't take my word for it. Try it and compare it and you'll see we have the best, smoothest cognac on the market. Please Drake responsibly and stay safe. For the first time in 53 years, the Knicks are the NBA champs thanks to a 41 victory over the San Antonio Spurs. Jalen Brunson with the finals MVP unanimously 11 oh. 11 oh left no doubt with that performance tonight. Jalen Brunson joined Michael Jordan as the only guards and since the merger in a 45 point closeout game in the NBA Finals. He was sensational. And the Knicks were great when they needed, when greatness was required. So congratulations to the Knicks. Congratulations to Mike Brown, that entire organization and all the fans around the world that support the Knicks. Take a bow. You've earned it.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's Ocho, he's ISO. We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for joining us.

[Joe Johnson]

Peace.

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