Nightcap Hour 3: Nationals CELEBRATE Hot Dog Day + Play or Fade

Summary

Nightcap Hour 3: Nationals CELEBRATE Hot Dog Day + Play or Fade
May 18, 2026
Host: Shay Shay Media & Playmaker
Featuring: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”), and Joe “ISO Joe” Johnson

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Episode Overview

This lively “Nightcap” Hour 3 episode serves up unfiltered, instant reactions to the sports headlines of the day — mainly the NBA Playoffs, some NFL chatter, and a wide-ranging, improvised Q&A with fans. With the Cavaliers punching their ticket to the Eastern Conference Finals, Shannon Sharpe, Chad Johnson, and Joe Johnson riff on everything from “Hot Dog Fries” at Nationals Park to the legacy of ringless NBA greats, nostalgia for Michael Jackson, the importance of family, and even debates about motorcycles and Magic City wings. Expect authenticity, humor, and heated sports takes in the signature breezy Nightcap style.

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Nationals’ Hot Dog Day & Culinary Banter

[03:39 – 07:17]

• The hosts react to the Nationals’ Hot Dog Day and the new “hot dog fries”—shoestring-cut, crispy fried hot dogs served with chipotle ranch.
  • Ocho: “Hold on now, I’d try that though, Uncle. I ain’t gonna lie to you.” [04:00]
  • ISO Joe: “Hey, I’ma swallow that thing.” [04:25] (Playful banter erupts around this comment)
  • Childhood memories of eating hot dog and beans, beanies and weenies, Oscar Mayer nostalgia.
  • Shannon: “Only Oscar I knew was on Sesame Street, and he was in the trash can. That was the only Oscar.” [06:00]
• Jokes about sports road trips and “adventurous eats” on the upcoming Nightcap road show.

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Play or Fade: NBA Playoff Prop Bets

[07:17 – 11:54]

• Segment sponsored by Prize Picks
• The trio reviews player performance prop lines and debates “over” or “under” picks for several players:
  • AJ Mitchell: Line at 19.5 combined points, rebounds, assists.
    • Consensus: all agree “less”
    • Ocho: “He gonna be coming off the bench... his minutes probably be a little different this time around.” [08:24]
  • Dylan Harper: 18 PRA — split opinions, but lean “less”
  • Jalen Williams: 15.5 points — tough call due to inactivity; lean “under”
  • Stephon Castle: 5.5 field goals made — all say “over”
    • ISO Joe: “Young bull, aggressive as hell.” [11:10]
  • Light jabs about hot dog bans at stadiums for Ocho and Iso Joe.
• Comedic chemistry in the segment, poking fun at each others’ betting records.

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Viewer Q&A + Voicemails: Deep Hoops Debates & Nostalgia

[11:54 – 34:22]

“Best NBA Player Never to Win a Ring?”

[11:54 – 14:27]

• Fan question: Is Westbrook the greatest NBA player with no ring?
  • Ocho: “I'm going Steve Nash. 2-time MVP, never won a ring. One of the greatest point guards.” [12:36]
  • ISO: “Nah, hell no. I was going Allen Iverson.” [12:39]
  • Names discussed: Harden, Barkley, Karl Malone, Elgin Baylor, Dame Lillard, Melo, CP3, T-Mac, Penny.
  • Shannon: “Made it to the finals twice...[Karl Malone] just played against a monster.” [13:34]

“Could SGA Dominate in the 90s?”

[14:27 – 18:29]

• Fan debate – Can Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (SGA) average 30 if dropped into the 1990s?
  • ISO: “Yes. Even with the hand-checking rule, there's a few players in every era that would translate.” [15:25]
  • Ocho: “He fit right in the 90s, bro. … KD dominating the 90s. Bron is dominating the 90s.” [15:45]
  • Shannon reminisces about “old school” hard fouls, no flagrant calls.
  • Shannon: “In the 90s? Ain’t no flagrant... That man snatched Kurt Rambis ass out there...” [18:00]

On Deandre Ayton & NBA Critiques

[18:29 – 24:02]

• Playful roast from a fan asking Deandre Ayton to get his CDL: “He can be the best truck driver up and down the 101.”
• Banter about Ayton’s struggles and Shannon giving parental/familial advice to callers.

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Cleveland Cavaliers Advance: Game Breakdown

[24:02 – 27:00]

• Full game recap – Cavs advance to face Knicks after a blowout win vs Pistons (125-94).
  • Shannon: “Jared Allen had 23, Evan Mobley had 21, Donovan Mitchell had 26, Sam Merrill had 23… They overwhelmed Detroit.” [90:10]
  • Critique: Pistons looked “beat up and wore down”, Cleveland’s depth and shooting delivered.

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Pop Culture Sidebar: Michael Jackson vs. Drake & Lil Wayne

[27:19 – 34:22]

• Chat tangent: “Top 5 Lil Wayne songs” leads to:
  • Ocho: “It’s so many, bro.” [28:11]
  • Shannon (pivoting to influence): “Ain’t nobody close to Mike. That is the biggest gap between he and the next artist...” [29:02]
  • Nostalgia for Michael Jackson music videos—“not just regular videos… they were stories, mini-movies.” [30:14]
  • Consensus: Michael Jackson’s impact is unmatched in pop culture.

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Basketball Debates & Personal Stories

[34:22 – 42:39]

• Is Kobe Top Ten All-Time?

  • Shannon: “Once you’re done, you can’t add. … So who did he surpass?” [34:09]
  • Discusses posthumous reevaluations of Kobe’s legacy, parallels to Ali and Dr. King.

• Passion Beyond the Game

  • Michael Jordan’s “obsession with greatness” in basketball, NASCAR, and fishing.
  • Shannon: “Hard to be great at one thing and say you ok with being average at the next. Doesn't work like that.” [38:13]

• Motorcycle Tangent

  • Ocho, Iso, and Unc joke about motorcycles, Harleys, and biker events: “We just gonna be cruising. Motorcycles? You know, the people that ride motorcycles are called? Organ donors!” [40:21]

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More Q&A: Family, Finance, and Parenting Real Talk

[42:39 – 69:49]

• On being practical about weddings, financial independence for kids.

  • Shannon: “People want a wedding, not a marriage. … Why not take that money and put toward the down payment on a house?” [63:12]

• Extended riff on helping grown kids, tough love, monitoring expenses.

  • Shannon: “You got no college debt, no car payment, ... I paid the first two years of your apartment, just get a job, that’s it.” [64:31]
  • Ocho: “I can’t deal with no damn excuses.” [64:22]

• On property taxes and family homes.

  • ISO Joe recounts rescuing grandma’s house from auction by paying $43,000 in back taxes—“Don’t play at my grandma house. Don’t do that.” [70:10]

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Classic Nightcap: Rapid-fire Sports, Lifestyle & Jokes

[69:49 – 92:11]

• Light-hearted jabs over playing sports commando and childhood stories.

• Celtics all-time starting five discussion (Bird, Russell, Rondo, McHale, Havlicek/Cowens/Pierce):

  • Ocho: “When I got drafted there… all them damn numbers retired from zero through nine.” [48:12]

• “Start, Bench, Cut” with NFL and NBA players.

• Legendary safety rankings:

  • Shannon: “Me personally, I got Ed Reed, Ronnie [Lott], Troy [Polamalu].” [80:41]
  • Fun facts about Ronnie Lott and Jeff Fisher’s early positions at USC.

• Car talk: poking fun at fancy cars vs. ‘normal’ rides.

  • ISO Joe: “You seen you bought a $700,000 [car].”
  • Ocho: “That was last year.” [83:58]

• NBA playoff predictions:

  • Discussion of Cavs–Knicks matchup, defensive assignments (“Mobley should average 30 and 10”).
  • Ocho: “Boy, they gonna have hell on their hands, though… Cavs and God and Brunson.” [85:54]

• Banter on what they’d do for a Bengals Super Bowl—“Would you box Ngannou for a Bengals ring?”

  • ISO: “That man put his pants on one leg at a time, just like me, man.” [86:19]

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Notable Quotes

• Ocho, on trying hot dog fries: "Hold on now. I’d try that though, Uncle. I ain’t gonna lie to you." [04:00]
• ISO Joe, on versatility and basketball eras: "Even with the hand checking rule, there are a few players in every era where they would translate regardless of what area they're playing in based on their skill set." [15:25]
• Shannon, on Michael Jackson’s impact: “Ain’t nobody close. The gap between Michael Jackson and the next person is bigger than any other gap.” [29:02]
• Shannon, on practical weddings: "People want a wedding, not a marriage... Why not take this money and put toward the down payment on a house?" [63:12]
• Ocho, on helping kids: “I can’t deal with no damn excuses, bro.” [64:28]

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Episode Highlights & Memorable Moments

• Hot dog fries segment: Playfully raunchy food banter kicks off the show, setting a comedic tone.
• Legacy debates: Engaged, knowledgeable discussions about ringless NBA legends and how we remember past stars, tinged with personal perspective.
• SGA-in-the-90s debate: Blends hoops expertise with old-school NBA history.
• Shannon’s real talk: Segues about raising responsible kids, handling family finances, and generational wealth serve as a masterclass in practical wisdom.
• Music nostalgia: The hosts bond over the cultural gravity of Michael Jackson, generational touchstones, and the power of musical icons.
• Unvarnished sports analysis: Candid breakdowns of Cavs–Pistons, playoff matchups, and why certain teams/players rise or fall under pressure.
• Audience rapport: Quick-witted responses to video voicemails and chat questions; hosts embrace their own betting and sports “L’s” publicly.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Nationals Hot Dog Fries Banter: [03:39–07:17]
• NBA Playoff “Play or Fade” Props: [07:17–11:54]
• Best NBA Player without a Ring: [11:54–14:27]
• Could SGA Dominate in the 90s?: [14:27–18:29]
• Cavs’ Big Win Over Pistons: [24:02–27:00]
• Michael Jackson vs Drake Debate: [27:19–34:22]
• Practical Wisdom: Families & Finances: [42:39–69:49]
• Celtics All-Time Lineup: [47:18–49:03]
• Cavs-Knicks Matchup Preview: [84:36–86:03]
• Closing: Show Outro & Awards Recognition: [90:10–92:11]

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Tone & Style

The Nightcap crew delivers sports talk with warmth, humor, and a touch of locker-room irreverence. There’s genuine camaraderie, a willingness to self-deprecate, and real wisdom beneath the trash talk. Shannon anchors with practical experience; Ocho provides flair and relatability; Iso Joe’s basketball insights and “everyman” perspective round things out. The audience feels invited to the cookout — and every topic, deep or trivial, is fair game.

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Summary prepared for those who missed the episode: Enjoy the sports, wisdom, wild stories, and culture all flowing after-hours at Nightcap.

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[ISO]

Hey,

[Joe]

what, sir?

[ISO]

What?

[Ocho]

Rent.

[Joe]

What is this? Those are hot dog french fries. Those are actual hot dogs cut into shoestring french fries.

[ISO]

I like that. Huh?

[Ocho]

You know that's Ocho.

[Joe]

No, I'm good, bro.

[ISO]

Hey, that's me. Hey, that's me all day.

[Joe]

No, let me see.

[ISO]

Oh, yeah. Yes, sir, that's me.

[Ocho]

Hold on now. I try that though, Uncle. I ain't gonna lie to you.

[ISO]

Yeah. Hey, I don't need no ranch.

[Joe]

That's a hot dog Joe cut into. I'm.

[Ocho]

I tried. Listen, I tried.

[Joe]

I'm glad you say you try because when we go on this road show and we adventure and we trying it, I want to hear that same thing. I tried. That's what I want to hear, cuz. I got this. Lady, they got them onions cut down. Got that thing stewed out of there. Yeah, yeah.

[ISO]

Hey, I'mma swallow that thing.

[Joe]

Too much. Come on now.

[ISO]

Whoa. Oh.

[Joe]

My bad, Paul. Hold on. We gonna go back. Hey, Joe, I want you to have that same type of energy when we go. Oh. Oh, Lord have mercy.

[ISO]

My bad, My bad. My bad. I wasn't thinking. My bad.

[Ocho]

Oh. Do you know he number one on the list now a lot. Don't really surprise me no more. When he say something I kind of, you know, I kind of expected so, you know, you know, I.

[ISO]

Hey, hey, Joe. I would talk about. I would talk about what he would. I mean, the food that the lady gonna Be making. I mean, swallow it, like. I mean, that's what I meant. I didn't mean like. I ain't mean.

[Joe]

Don't do that. Don't, Don't. We swallowed it. We swallowed nothing, Ocho. We gonna chew it.

[ISO]

Okay, but when you chew it, then what do you do after you chew it? You what?

[Joe]

The way you said, that's. You swallow first. Ah, come on now, Chad. He don't mean what he say. It's a little late on the east coast, so just bear with it. Bear with it.

[ISO]

My bad, my bad.

[Joe]

No, Ocho. I don't know, Joe. I mean, a crispy hot dog.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I said I tried. I ain't saying I'm gonna sit here and eat the whole bucket right here, the whole hat.

[Joe]

So you have.

[Ocho]

But I'm gonna try it.

[Joe]

They try it, you'll eat one, you'll eat two, three.

[Ocho]

I mean, if they good, I might eat a couple, but I'm gonna try.

[Joe]

If they're good, don't you eat the whole hat like you just said.

[ISO]

Hey, I mean, all of them.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. We already know you, Ocho.

[ISO]

Hey, you know. Hey, hey. Hot dogs are so.

[Joe]

No, they're not.

[ISO]

Hot dogs with a. A delicacy. You know, growing up, Joe, especially when my grandma had. When I had beanies and weenies.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO]

You know, you got your baked beans.

[Joe]

Yeah, Grandma used to cut up the hot dogs.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[ISO]

Put a little. Put a little honey in there.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, but you had a little more, you know, hot dogs and pork and beans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember those days. Yeah, the hot dog. But see, hot dogs. Do they still make hot dogs like, you get 50 hot dogs in a pack.

[ISO]

50.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I know what he's talking about.

[ISO]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And they came in the casing, so the hot dog was like the hot dogs. Now, I guess the Oscar Mile or something. You can just dump them in the boiling water. But that wasn't the case. The hot dog used to come in a casing. Yeah, man, I don't know what y' all be, man. See. Oo y' all been living high in the hall. You wasn't as bad off as I thought. Whoo.

[ISO]

Hey, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, I had Oscar Mayer.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, I didn't. I had a little bit of Oscar.

[Joe]

Only Oscar I knew was on Sesame street, and he was in the trash can. That was the only Oscar. You would get those. It wasn't. Nobody baloney has a first name. It's O, S, C, A R

[Ocho]

Oscar. The ground.

[Joe]

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[Ocho]

What we got? What we got,

[Joe]

I don't know about. I just said we go any sporting event, you are not allowed to order no hot dog.

[ISO]

Oh, well, I ain't, I ain't going because I'm gonna get. I need my two hot dogs.

[Joe]

Hey, just eat them in the car before we get there. All right. A Jay Mitchell, he'll have night. He'll have more points, rebounds and assists. 19 and a half. Will he have more or less than 19 and a half? When you combine his points, rebounds, assist.

[Ocho]

Man, listen, Unc Ocho, I'm gonna have to take less on this one, guys. He been special. I know he. He averaged hell 22, 23 in the Laker series. I think he gonna be coming off the bench. I think his minutes probably be a little different this time around. I don't, I, I, I know his points, rebounds and assists. I don't see that. Basically, he gotta get 20.

[Joe]

Yes. Points, rebound.

[Ocho]

I don't see it. I'm saying less. I'm saying less. Hopefully he ain't watching and he give him an extra boost.

[Joe]

But I'm saying, lit, what you got on your. You got more or less.

[ISO]

I got, I got, I got less. I got less on.

[Joe]

Because they got guys that could defend, man.

[ISO]

It's gonna be a lot different.

[Joe]

He's not gonna get the same number of minutes that he got. That's what I'm saying. Okay, I'll go less. Yeah. Dylan Harper, 18 more than 18. Points, rebounds and assists.

[Ocho]

Points, rebounds and assists.

[ISO]

And assists.

[Ocho]

I'm gonna say he gonna get it. You think he gonna get it, Uncle?

[Joe]

No, no.

[Ocho]

You say no. Points, rebound, assist, he gotta get. I don't know, man. That little joker there, boy,

[Joe]

You like him to get it, Ocho?

[Ocho]

You say less?

[ISO]

Yeah, I'm saying.

[Ocho]

All right, we go less. We go. Let both of them come off the bench any damn way.

[Joe]

We say Jalen Williams more or less than 15 and a half points. More or less.

[Ocho]

This one here it is because his ass, he been out so damn long.

[Joe]

And plus, the thing is, Joe and Ocho, is he on a minutes restriction? 28 minutes. Because we do have Mitchell now, if that's the case, not Mitchell look more likely to get it than not.

[Ocho]

Damn. Basically gotta get 16. I'm gonna say he get it, bro.

[Joe]

You think you'll have at least 16 points?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I think so. I hope so.

[Joe]

What you got Ojo

[Ocho]

ain't played. He ain't played in a minute. Oh, I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Joe]

Towards. No.

[ISO]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Damn. So we got three in a row under.

[Joe]

No, you went. Yeah, we went under. Okay, Stefan Castle. Five and a half field goals made. Will he have more or less than five field goals? Five and a half field goals.

[ISO]

Yes. Yes. Young bull, aggressive as hell.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I say, I say he, I, I give him that. I think he gets six field goals.

[Joe]

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[Ocho]

I got a question. Who do you think is the best NBA player that had never won a ring? Me personally, I think It's Westbrook. I'm 18.

[Joe]

I ain't really get to see all the OGs, but I got to see

[Ocho]

Westbrook be a two time scoring champion. Three time assist leader.

[Joe]

Nine time all star.

[Ocho]

Nine time all NBA selection.

[Joe]

The first player to get four triple average to triple double in four different seasons. What else he got?

[Ocho]

He's an MVP.

[Joe]

He got the most points as a

[ISO]

point guard all the time.

[Joe]

He's got the most rebounds at the point guard of all time. He leads in triple doubles. Like, I just really think it's Westbrook

[Ocho]

and it's probably more than I'm missing. What do y' all think?

[Joe]

I'm going.

[ISO]

I like that.

[Ocho]

I'm going. Steve Nash.

[ISO]

Nah, hell no.

[Ocho]

2 time MVP. Yeah, time MVP. And he, he had, he, he never won a ring. One of the greatest, one of the greatest point guards of all time. That's what I'm going with you taking

[Joe]

Steve Nash over AI.

[ISO]

That was me. I was going. Alan Iverson.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's a good one. That's a great one actually.

[Joe]

James Harden, Charles Barkley, Carl Malone.

[ISO]

I'm just thinking that was gonna be, that was.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, that's a good, that's a good one, Ocho. That's a good one.

[ISO]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Elgin Baylor is another one.

[Ocho]

Damn. Well, that's a good Barkley. Barkley.

[Joe]

A good one.

[Ocho]

Could hell he made it to the finals.

[Joe]

Look at Carl Malone, a two time league mvp. Made it to the finals twice.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just played against a monster.

[Joe]

That's the problem rebounding. Champ.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Carl Malone and Stockton. Let's go.

[Joe]

Imma go. I'm gonna go Chuck.

[Ocho]

I see, I see the chat Chat got Dame lillard. Mellow.

[Joe]

Yeah,

[Ocho]

CP3.

[Joe]

Yeah, mellow. I think mellow. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and Penny because of injuries, you know. Tma. Excuse me. Tmac and tmac and Penny.

[ISO]

Yeah,

[Ocho]

they played on some hell of a team.

[Joe]

Yeah, here's our second one. Let's take a listen. Yo, what up nightcap gang? Hey, look man, I need y' all to settle a debate for me. I was at dinner with a couple of my mans a couple weeks ago and we was talking basketball and these fools had the nerve to say that SGA is the only player from the current NBA that you can drop in the 90s and he'll be still be putting up the same numbers. And I think that's crazy. I mean I think it's a few

[ISO]

that you can do that with. I just don't feel like SGA is

[Joe]

one of them, you know what I'm saying? I get it. The boy nice, he can get to the MIDI whenever he want, you know what I'm saying? He can get to the cut, blah blah blah. But I feel like too much of his game is predicated on getting them weak ass calls from the refs. All that flopping and filling and flailing he be doing. So I'm curious as your thoughts, man. I know Unk. I know you the basketball history aficionado, Joe. I know you played the game Ocho. I know you got that, that basketball knowledge.

[ISO]

So chime in man.

[Joe]

Tell me what y' all think, man. Help me settle this debate. Appreciate y'. All. Yes, I think.

[ISO]

Yes. Hey, even, even with the hand checking rule, there are a few players in every era where they would translate regardless of what area they're playing in based on their skill set and what they able to do.

[Joe]

No, he's saying he's going to be the exact same player in the the 90th as he of today.

[Ocho]

I think, I think he'll still, I think he'll still average 30. Yeah, you got to look, think about this. He ain't no high volume three point shooter like a lot of these guys are. Yeah, he'll shoot it, he'll shoot it. But his game is predicated in between what we call the midi, you know what I mean? Getting to the rack, obviously drawing fouls. I think he fit right in the 90s, bro. Yeah, it's a few guys in the NBA right now who you can drop in I don't know why they think Braun won't dominate in the damn 90s. KD won't dominate. Man, please. Katie dominating the 90s. Brun is dominating the 90s.

[Joe]

How you stop.

[ISO]

You know what's funny?

[Joe]

I. I was trying to figure out how you stop it. The guy's seven foot tall and he's shooting the ball at the apex. So how you stop that?

[ISO]

Yeah, what you're not. And hell, we talk about the 90s too now, Joe. You know, there's, there's maybe there's a select few players from the 90s that could. Whose game translate to this era too now.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, it'll be some guys getting money out there.

[Joe]

Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, Joe, you said he can get it done. I'm gonna take your word for it. You the NBA aficionado. You think he can still get that

[ISO]

even with the high tanking rule?

[Ocho]

But yeah, I think I, I think he would. He just. Look, it's hard to even keep him in front of you. You know what I mean? That, that's what I go off of. Like when you talk about guys who play in isolation, Guys who. Man, look, I ain't even studying the dude who guard me. I'm just worried about your damn help. Where the help gonna come from? Cause I know I'm gonna blow your doors off. It's over with you, period, point blank. And I think that's how Shay thinks. And when you watch him play, man, can't nobody stay in front of that.

[Joe]

Man. I know he ain't gonna have that number when he played, when he played Detroit and the, and the Knicks. Cuz if you go down the line the first time, he ain't coming back down there no more.

[ISO]

He gonna be on, he gonna be on his head.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Now they ain't play.

[Joe]

Now like I said, you go down. Hey, you play the Knicks in Detroit.

[Ocho]

But unknown uncle Oo, them fouls, they like that in the 90s that are flagrant. You getting kicked out the game nowadays.

[Joe]

No, but, but he in the 90s. Ain't no flagrant.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, but I'm just saying,

[Joe]

think about it, man, they ain't called no flagrant. Fire. When that man snatch Kurt Rambis ass out there with Kevin McHale snatched his ass out the air.

[Ocho]

You gonna taste the who that went up.

[Joe]

Larry Bird went up and, and, and then Bill Lambert, four of them in the face. And Larry just went to wailing on him on the ground.

[Ocho]

Yeah. No, no, no, no. There was some different type of filing back then, boy, they proving a point. You think you finna come in, just score 10 in a row?

[ISO]

Twist.

[Joe]

Yeah, they, they, they rarely threw somebody out of the game for fighting. Rarely. Yeah, rarely. Let's take a listen to the third one. What's up, nightcap fam? Ash and staff. Oh, super freak and I sold Joe the one and only. If you met another, he's a phony. What's up, Unc? I know you got some contacts over the Laker organization. Get the word to Deandre Ayton. Tell a brother go ahead and get his cdls, man. It's over. You can bait you the best truck driver up and down the 101. He can rock that chain all day, every day. Love y'. All. Everybody get a cdl.

[ISO]

That's crazy.

[Joe]

God.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. What? These people don't play nowadays, boy. They don't miss nothing. That better get a cdl.

[Joe]

Shout out to my daughter Leila on her seventh and now superhuman Shaq.

[Ocho]

I keep telling them not to say that. I'm no superhuman.

[Joe]

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[Ocho]

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[Joe]

Birthday tomorrow, May 18th 3rd birthday I miss Daddy, Mrs. And love you. I won't stop fighting. Timothy well happy birthday Leela. The seventh birthday May 18th I don't know what's going on so I I can't comment on that, but we want to wish you a happy birthday. And bro, you say you miss, you love her and don't stop fighting. Don't stop. Make sure there you go. Don't miss the fourth. Can't do nothing about the three that you've missed, but make sure you don't miss the fourth. The almighty Joe Kim Noah. What's so good about Cleveland? I guess they go to the, they're going to the eastern conference final. What's Cleveland known for? What's Cleveland's dish? What are they known for?

[Ocho]

I don't even know Cleveland.

[Joe]

What y' all known for? Anybody from Cleveland that's in the chat.

[ISO]

That's a good question.

[Ocho]

It is.

[ISO]

Hey, Cleveland has always been good to me. Anytime I went there, man.

[Ocho]

They got casino in Cleveland.

[Joe]

Oh, they got pierogi.

[Ocho]

What they got.

[Joe]

Pierogi is Polish food. So they. Oh, no, I know, I already know. I don't like it. I done gone this long. 58 years, they never had no pierogi. Yeah, I ain't missing nothing. What else they got? Oh, come on. Corned beef and pierogis.

[Ocho]

Oh, man. Hey, what happened to ojo?

[ISO]

I'm right here. Oh, shoot.

[Joe]

The only time the pistols got a lead was a three pointer 46 seconds into the game. That's it, man.

[Ocho]

It was look by Jenkins.

[Joe]

Yep. I, I think that, look, they picked the worst night to have their worst game, man. And this was for all the marbles to advance. And Cleveland played his best game, Joe. One team played his best. The other team, they got four guys that scored at least 20 and shot.

[Ocho]

Think about the pistol.

[Joe]

The only one that was under 50 from the floor was Donovan. But Donovan didn't have any Turnovers. He had eight rebounds, seven assists.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I think James was under 50%.

[Joe]

I think one of four guys that had, that had 20 points.

[Ocho]

Right, right. I, I, hey look, I think with, with the pistons, hell, they played 14 games in two series, two game sevens. They look, they look, they look beat up and wore down to me, fellas in that game seven, I'm be honest with you.

[Joe]

So, yeah, Jared Allen had 23, he was 8 or 14. Evan Mobile had 21, he was 7 to 10. Donna was had 26, he was 10 of 22. And Merrill had 23, he was 7 to 10. So yeah, shout out to the land. Next stop, New York. And Sam Merrill had 50 Cal tonight and couldn't miss from 3. Hey, he picked the best. He picked the right time to have his best game of the series. You know what was that? Game five. Joe streuss.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Came off the bench.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Knocked down. Boom. Now what's, what happened? Game seven, Merle comes off the bench. Boom, boom, boom.

[ISO]

Going crazy.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, after he took that charge and got plowed over Merle, he started knocking down shots.

[Joe]

Yeah, talk your ish, Ocho. He's on a heater, man. Ocho got a couple, right?

[ISO]

Man, here y' all go. Trying to discredit my ball.

[Ocho]

Who is y'? All? I ain't even said nothing, bro.

[ISO]

Okay, well, I'm trying to discredit my ball now. Listen, listen. Yeah, it's just. I'm catching up, man. That's all that matter by the time we get to next year and it's time to talk basketball, I'm gonna take all the conversations, okay? And that's gonna. Hey, that's gonna get real scary.

[Joe]

Chat. I know times are hard right now, are tough right now, and unfortunately, I have terrible news. The money printer that just knocked out of the playoff. No more free dirt and under bets on prize pick until next season. Big three. Y' all might think I'm delusional, but the NBA youngboy is the go. All I know y' all probably don't listen to his music, so give me a top five best Lil Wayne songs. Oh,

[ISO]

Damn.

[Ocho]

It's Lil Wayne song.

[ISO]

It's too many. What? Jesus. You got to go back to mixtape. Lil Wayne didn't talk about some of the albums he's dropped and that. That's something hard to go right off the top of the head and answer.

[Ocho]

It's so many, bro.

[Joe]

Top five, anybody. Any rapper. So bad. I don't listen to rap like that anymore.

[Ocho]

Go look. He got a song this back. This way, back when called Keisha.

[ISO]

Oh, yeah, Remember Keisha? What?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. What'd you know about it?

[ISO]

Hey, that. That's. That's. That's throwback boy.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, I think I was finding that. I think I was still in high school.

[ISO]

Here, let me see if I can find that.

[Joe]

Yep. Come on, bro. Look, I understand. Young boy is on top right now. He got it going on. But y' all need to stop this and. And look. And no more conversation. Ain't nobody close to Mike. Joe Ocho, you know I've been sending you all them clips. Ain't nobody touching Mike. Yeah, ain't nobody even close.

[Ocho]

I know.

[Joe]

Ain't nobody close. Close. Not even close. Close. I'm talking about. That is the biggest gap between he and the next artist as opposed to anything, if you want to say. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you say Jordan is the goat. If you say baseball, whoever your goat is in baseball, whoever your goat is in football, whoever your goat is in basket and track and field. The gap between Michael Jackson and the next person is bigger than any gap. And any other two. I died.

[Ocho]

Even though. Even though. Even though Drake. I think Drake tied him for the most number ones.

[Joe]

Drake don't move the crowd like this, man here. You saw them people.

[Ocho]

I know. It was. I mean, I. I get that. People famous.

[Joe]

It's different. You got to realize, when Michael was doing this, it might have been 4 billion people. There's another 4 billion people in the world. Not Joe. Hey, guess what? We gonna look up 30 years from now, it's gonna be 10, 12 billion people. The world. You're like, hey, somebody bigger than somebody got more pull to Drake.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

And his videos, man. Only. Do. Do they even do videos anymore? Ocho, you know what? It wasn't.

[Ocho]

They weren't just regular videos.

[Joe]

They were stories.

[Ocho]

They like. You know, it's, like, led up to many movies almost, you know what I mean? Because, boy, that one, we had that white suit on. And when he did that lean on that joint.

[Joe]

Oh,

[Ocho]

hey, Joe, I can watch that.

[Joe]

Boys. People don't. People don't realize, like, Michael. Michael could really, really sing. Go back and listen when he's singing the earth song, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe]

What's up?

[ISO]

Well, you just. You. You took me back in time, boy. I had to crank up that goddamn Keisha. The hot boys.

[Ocho]

Oh, did you?

[ISO]

And I had. I had to go back. Boy, you go back. Good a. Good memories, boy. Good memories.

[Ocho]

Hey, you right, though, mj.

[Joe]

A bad boy. Look at y' all looking. See y' all looking at. Like, if y' all looking at Grammys. Somebody won Grammys. This guy got more Grammys. You tell me the person that has a bigger impact in music than Michael Jackson,

[Ocho]

it ain't one. You know why? Not only was he cold, but, hell, Michael Jackson thought he was a mini gangster. He thought he was a little gangster. You look at all his videos because he have all them old gangsters and mob guys in there, man, this used to be hard. I don't.

[ISO]

I don't think. I don't think people today, they don't understand because they weren't up. They weren't around during those times. Don't understand how big he was. It's different. There's levels to everything. The standard on impact and cultural. Cultural difference that they've made. Not just here in the States, but globally. Yeah, Mike is on a completely different level. That. That. That doesn't take anything away from Beyonce or Chris Brown or what Drake is doing.

[Joe]

There's levels to levels. Levels. Boy, look here. That glove. Who wore that glove? The Drake just put on his iceman. Who wore the glove.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Dressing like when you do Halloween, they still wear the red jacket.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They still wear the high water shoes with the two. The white tube socks and the penny loafers.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

They got a whole play out here with a. About Michael Jackson. Like I said, if you didn't live. If you. You didn't live through it, the 80s, in the early 90s, you. You have no idea. You have no idea. People spend money and would miss the concert because they passed out.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah,

[ISO]

man.

[Joe]

Do you feel. Do you still feel like it's debatable if Kobe top 10 ever. It hurts so bad. He's no longer here to defend himself. I would give anything to see you have to debate him face to face. Kobe wouldn't debate. And there's nothing to defend because Kobe's already did what he did. You see, that's the thing. And we talk about this once you're done, you can't add. So whatever place he's at, whatever you had him at, if you had him in the top five, he's got to stay. I mean, how. How does he. How does he go? How does he go? How does he move up? If you had him at. I mean, a lot of people had him at 9, 10. How does he move up from there, Joe? Because the people that you had in front of him, they didn't get any more stats. He didn't add any more stats. So I'm just trying to figure out how. It's like, what we talk about Ocho at the. At the combine. Guy ain't played a game in three months, and he's sliding up and down the draft board. How. What did he do from his last bowl game and between the time then the combine? So he played his last bowl game in January. The combine is in late April, so he ain't did nothing in six weeks. Some guys ended the season way before that. So some guys ain't did anything in two months. And you say, well, he's. He's moving up the draft boards. Doing what?

[ISO]

Right?

[Joe]

The only thing I said, Kobe is great, historically great. But y' all need to go back and get some of these YouTube videos when people were talking about Kobe when he was playing, and they don't speak about Kobe in the glowing terms that they do now. That's all I've ever said. I remember Joe, you remember when he had that 31 lead and to prove a point, he wouldn't Shoot the ball and they lost it.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

That's all I've ever said is that people spoke, speak differently about Kobe now because of the tragic passing. They didn't speak about him in the glowing terms. And I use the example of Dr. King. I use the example of Muhammad Ali. Now I'm not saying he. Those type because they, they, they're on a platform because of what they did for, for the entire, you know, they tried to make the world a better place, but especially for the underserved. That's it. And y' all know it. Go back and pull the. It's on YouTube and look at some of the analysts that speak so glowing about it. Now that didn't speak in those same terms. That's it. But I don't know how Kobe. I don't know how you, you move him up. How does he move up? So who drops? So let's just say when Kobe. When Kobe. Last game, you had Kobe in the top 10. You had him at 8, 9. So who, who, who did he surpass? He hadn't. He shot another. He ain't made another game winning shot. He hadn't won another championship, Another mvp, another finals mvp. So my question is, so who did he pass? No, but, but Kobe. Look, I met Kobe. I saw him at an event. I think the event was for Quincy Jones, if I'm not mistaken. And you talk to him for just a little while and you see how he's wired. And you see, because I'm talking to him, I'm like, bro, you don't. You don't even look like. You seem like you miss it. He said, I don't. He said, I gave that game everything. He said, I got a new focus on a new passion, and I give this game everything. And he. The movies. That's it. And that's what, that's how you become really good at two things. Ocho Joe is that you take that same unbridled passion and discipline and dedication. I guarantee you to get into the movies and the right scripts and to do all the stuff he was doing, he had that same burning desire. Man, it's hard to try to be good. It's hard to be good at. To be great at one thing and say, you know what? This really ain't what I do, so I'm okay being average. It's work like that.

[Ocho]

Hell no, it won't ever.

[Joe]

You look at Michael Jordan, he great in basketball and what do you do in nascar? He said, nah, y' all gonna put this thing on level Playing field I'm tired of y'. All. Beat my damn minds out. Go fishing. What'd he do? Bought that big ass boat. He said, no, we're gonna be this thing. Gonna be fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Y', all. Not that y'. All. Y' all just think. Cause I was a great basketball player. No, I want to be a great at everything I do. And guess what? I got that same passion. I'm gonna find the best players. I might not be able to pull this big ass fish in, but guess what? I'm gonna find some mofos that can. I can't drive. I can't get my big ass in this little car. But guess what? Tyler Reddick, do your thing.

[Ocho]

That Jordan brand, bro.

[Joe]

And so it's hard. Magic. Look at magic. Everything. You can't. It's hard. I don't know anybody that cares. Oh, Jojo, that was great at one thing and said, I'm gonna do something else and say, nah, I'm cool. Hey, if I don't win, I'm cool. If I don't do.

[Ocho]

Think about it, bro. Think about Jordan, though. He took that from basketball to damn golf to nascar. Hell, at one point, I know he was racing motorcycles, huh?

[Joe]

They said, man, Jordan riding through the city. He told the story that when he first. He have no gloves, he have no helmet or nothing. He said. The biker boys in Chicago said, man, at least get a helmet and some gloves. Yeah, you probably shouldn't be doing this, but if you go do it, at least get a helmet and some gloves. Can you ride the motorcycle in Chicago at 100, 120, 130? Oh, Joe, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Do you know how fast 100 plus miles an hour is on a motorcycle?

[ISO]

On a bike? Yeah, you know, you know, I got me. I got me a bike, bro. I don't. I don't even play like that, boy.

[Ocho]

What kind of bike you got, Ocho?

[ISO]

I ain't got nothing but a Honda. I ain't got nothing but a Honda, bro.

[Ocho]

I gotta.

[ISO]

I ain't doing nothing. I ain't doing nothing. Crazy.

[Ocho]

Yeah, me neither. I gotta triumph. I gotta. Okay, I gotta scramble a Triumph. And I'm. I'm cruising. I ain't. I don't get nowhere near the hunt.

[Joe]

No, Joe.

[ISO]

I might. I might hit 70, 80 miles an hour. Every blue moon.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. And I stay my ass. I stay my ass off the freeway. I'm taking all the streets.

[Joe]

You need to get a group. Oh, Joey. I mean, Joe, you need to get a group to ride with a group. So a bigger y'. All. Cause, you know, Atlanta, what we gonna do? Man, they take the whole street. They take the whole intersection.

[Ocho]

Well, damn, what me, you, Ocho gonna do?

[Joe]

We gonna start us. No, we not.

[Ocho]

What you mean you ain't gonna ride with us?

[Joe]

They call it asphalt. It's your ass, and it's your fault. I want no part of it.

[Ocho]

We ain't gonna be doing nothing crazy.

[Joe]

We just gonna be cruel. Motorcycles. You know what the people that ride motorcycles are called? Organ donors. They love y'. All. They love to see y' all on them bikes. I want no part of no bike.

[ISO]

Hey, Joe. You know what I want, Joe? I want a Harley Bagger or a Harley Street Glider, one of them.

[Ocho]

Oh, no, I don't want them. Big hit. That's why I want to try them, Ocho. I used to have a couple Harleys. I got rid of them. I want to try them. I want something I can, you know, something I can control, handle them. Harley's heavy as hell.

[ISO]

Hey, George. I want to put that 30 inch wheel on the front, Joe, and. And be riding through, you know, 40 miles an hour. Frankie Beverly and Mays playing.

[Ocho]

Okay. Okay.

[ISO]

Isaac Hayes.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay.

[ISO]

Temptations.

[Ocho]

Well, I got you. I got you.

[ISO]

Hey, I want to go to Daytona. They who? Who all got bite week? Daytona got one.

[Joe]

South Dakota got a black. Myrtle beach got one. Got one. Those are the three biggest.

[ISO]

Yeah, I want. I want to hit. I want to hit. I want to hit them three. Them three bike events.

[Joe]

They're huge.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I got something for you. I got something you can ride. I got a nice tripe.

[Joe]

I ride my car. I follow y'. All. Salute to y', all, you all. Can I get a birthday shout out for my daughter Myla, who turned one yesterday, and my wife Carla's birthday is Wednesday, celebrated at Disney World. Any Disney memories or favorite things to do?

[Ocho]

Come on.

[Joe]

No. Damn. Well, we ain't gonna. Damn Disney. We watched Disney every Sunday night when it came old. Yeah, that was my meal. Yeah. Watching it. But before we go, Happy birthday, Myla, and happy birthday, Carla. One turned one yesterday, one's gonna celebrate on Wednesday. But happy birthday to the. To the birthday girls. Hopefully, you guys. Disney was fun. I'm sure she. I don't know how much she'll remember, but when you show a picture, she's like, yeah, I do remember. I went there. You have to take her back when she's probably about three or four, so she can really remember and get an opportunity to take her. With Snow White and everybody and all those fun characters. But happy birthday to the birthday girls

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[Joe]

Carla, Detroit needs some shooters and Thompson got to work on scoring. No, he got to work on shooting.

[Ocho]

He do see how they regarding them. Hey, look, he caught the ball at the three point line. His man didn't barely left the paint. He just looked at him and turned around. Yeah, that man didn't even draw iron.

[Joe]

Damn. Damn, Gigi and doses big three. Today was my mother, Tina, aka Queen. Tina's 65th birthday. She's a cancer survivor and the strongest woman I know. Can y' all shout her out, please? Absolutely. Queen Tina.

[ISO]

Shout out Miss Tina.

[Joe]

Happy 65th. Hey, Kid Cancer.

[Ocho]

Happy birthday.

[Joe]

We love that man. What to be strong, what a fight. What to continue to fight. And you know what? Son is proud of you. Say you're the strongest woman he knows. Hey, because you kick cancer ass, we can't disagree. Happy 65th. Hey, guys, great show. I know uncle is Larry Bird fan. If you had, if you had to make a starting five with all Celtics players, who would you pick? Bird. Russell Bird. Oh, Russell bird. I'm thinking paul pierce. Yeah, rondo

[Ocho]

at the point.

[Joe]

Yeah, Russell Bird.

[Ocho]

Then you probably gonna go Rondo.

[Joe]

I do Kevin McHale, you know, and people like, well, why you start Havlicek? Havlicheck came off the bench, so he'll be good coming off the bench. But they got, hey, you think about it. They got Havlicek, they got Dave Cowins, who won the mvp. They got Casey Jones, Sam Jones, Tom Heisenberg, Dennis Johnson, Nate Archibald.

[Ocho]

They got some guys. Boy, hey, hey, when I got drafted there, Uncle Ocho, I'm trying to give me a little small number here. All them damn numbers retired from zero,

[Joe]

from zero through nine.

[Ocho]

I had to get number 31. I had to act like I, you know, I was a Huge Reggie Miller fan. I'm like, I got. I guess I rolled the 31. He never won no damn.

[Joe]

31. I'm gonna get. You know, I need Jason Tatum to give me a couple of more years. Y' all gotta realize. Y' all make it seem like them the guys that I put in there, some bums.

[Ocho]

Nah, stay with some dogs. What? What?

[Joe]

Hamicheck, eight. No. In the NBA Finals. Russell, 11. And one in the NBA Finals. Bird got three. I'm probably gonna go two Finals MVPs.

[Ocho]

I'm probably gonna go KG over Mikhail.

[Joe]

KG over Mikhail.

[Ocho]

I probably would.

[Joe]

Yeah, man. KG ain't played but two years. Three years at Joe Dyo.

[Ocho]

I know he. That mother. He was a monster, though. Okay? He was defensive player of the year that year. They had the best defense.

[Joe]

Five years too late. He should have been. He and probably. You ask him, Joe, you ask him. Honestly, he said, yeah, I probably should have left earlier.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, he probably could have got at least two, three rings. Hell, if he had. He left early.

[Joe]

Yep. I agree. Ocho, if you bet during these playoffs, you would be a rich man. Gotta give it to you. We would just call it beginners. Look, but Detroit play. But Detroit played like ish. They did.

[ISO]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And when you play like ish and the other team plays really well, that's what I'm going home. And you're going home. Say, what makes it so bad, guys? This happened in your building. See, Ocho, you talked about in football. That's why I like to play the game on the road, see if you lose. Okay, fine. Yeah, but just think about it. You got 20, 000 fans and you.

[Ocho]

And that pressure just mounts, boys, once

[Joe]

you get down 10, 15, I think you see. I think 10. Okay, we cut it eight. Go back to 14. We cut it tonight.

[ISO]

Yeah.

[Joe]

20, 25. Oh, Lord. It's over.

[Ocho]

Fact.

[Joe]

It's all. It's over. TS Car Wash Detail Service ISO been wrong all playoffs. Jalen Durham was basically a mannequin these playoffs. He was.

[Ocho]

He said, yeah, you're right. You're right.

[Joe]

He really had two good games in the playoffs in 14 games. Yeah. One against game six.

[Ocho]

One against Orlando.

[Joe]

Seven against Detroit. Against Orlando.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you're right. You're right. Hey, hey, hey. I fess up. I. I told you, I've been picking with my heart. I've been picking. You know, I'm riding to the wheels. Fall off with them Hawks. You know, obviously we. We were a bit disappointed, but

[Joe]

damn,

[Ocho]

I expected Detroit to do something.

[Joe]

Shout out to all the real nightcap. Tell Amazon to get a new name. Love the show.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'll be checking, right? That's all they talk about. Nightcap after the show.

[Joe]

I'm thinking we ain't coming on. We coming on, but it ain't y'. All. But when you Google it, they know. Hey, Google know who the real nightcap is, right?

[ISO]

We pop up first.

[Joe]

Absolutely. I'm gonna need Ocho to stop saying he don't know basketball because he knows what he's talking about. Nah, we'll leave it like that.

[Ocho]

Right, Lucky?

[Joe]

Ojo, what are you talking about? You picked the Wolves versus the Spurs. You picked the Nuggets versus the Timberwolves after game one. How you let him say this, man? Let the man. Let the man have his moment, man. Hey, yeah, the man.

[Ocho]

Listen, listen. The man don't win in much here. I mean, you know. Yeah. Hey, man, let the man shine a little bit.

[Joe]

Hey, what.

[ISO]

Y' all don't be mad. Y' all ball knowledge ain't like mine. That ain't my fault.

[Joe]

Huh?

[ISO]

That ain't my fault. You keep. You keep. Hey, Joe. You keep studying the game, uncle. You keep studying the game. One day y' all get where I'm at.

[Joe]

I need you to acknowledge that MJ is the all time leader in a certain sets, steals and total rebounds.

[Ocho]

In what?

[Joe]

In. At. At the Bulls.

[Ocho]

MJ is for the Bulls.

[Joe]

He is. I mean, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised in points, obviously. I'm not surprised in steals, obviously. No, because he had a. He had a what, 84, 85, 86. So he had like a three year head start on Pip. So I'm not. I'm not surprised by that. I am surprised in rebounds, in the assist. Yeah, but you got to realize.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

In the triangle offense, the point guard, that really. I mean, it's ball movie. So you really ain't nobody averaging, you know, double figures and assistance. If you look at. If you look at the way the triangle offense, you might have a couple of guys with around 4, 5, 6.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I think that was. But before Phil was there, hell, he was. He was a one man show.

[Joe]

Yeah. Oh, he was getting major.

[Ocho]

Before field got. Yeah, yeah. Oh, before Phil got there, it was get a ball to mj. Get your ass out of the way.

[Joe]

With Kevin, I think the. Kevin. Kevin Lockery. I think Kevin Locker might have been his first head coach. Then he had Doug Collins.

[Ocho]

Doug. Yeah, yeah,

[Joe]

yeah, yeah. But I mean, like I said, I'm surprised about the rebounds, but I'm Trying to think. Robin only played three years. I'm trying to think what big that they had that played a number of years. I don't think Artist Gilmore. I think Artist Gilmore was probably on his last leg. Dave Corzine, Weddington, Bill Cartwright, they didn't really play long enough, so.

[Ocho]

Nah.

[Joe]

But we know Jordan Jordan was that guy.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Cameron Thompson, Ja Ant, Jane Roy, pj. Miles Turner. Wolves need

[Ocho]

what he's saying.

[Joe]

They need. They need. Need to put Ja Ant man, Jaden Rui and. And Miles Turner.

[Ocho]

They need to go get ruin.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Really gonna make some money. Ain't gonna be shot 57 from the 3.

[Ocho]

I know, but they ain't gonna be able to go. They ain't gonna be able to get Rua here. You got McDaniels ant, man. I mean, really gonna get paid, too. I don't know if the Lakers gonna

[Joe]

be able to keep it.

[Ocho]

They will be.

[ISO]

Nope. Because they're not gonna be able to pick Rui and pay goddamn Austin Reeves Ocho.

[Joe]

We know how influential Uncle Luke is to hip hop. How influential is he to Miami? How influence influential was Uncle Luke in your life? If he was

[ISO]

obviously Uncle Luke at that time? You know, he had. He had a really good run with two Lab Crew during those. During those days, those early days. Obviously, Grandma kept me away from that kind of music, but I did. Yeah. I understood exactly what Uncle Luke meant to not just myself, but. But for us down here in Miami right now, if I'm not mistaken, I think. Yeah, I think. Yeah. I think Luke is running for Congress, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Running for a position in Congress. Exactly what position that is, I'm not sure. I see Luke damn there every night at the cigar bar. We go to the same cigar bar right here in Pembroke Pines called Aficionado. So I see. I see him every night.

[Joe]

Take that dude Brown. I mean, Luke. I mean, so you got Luke obviously got Trick Daddy. You got JT Money. Ross. Ross. Yeah. Trina.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[ISO]

right here.

[Joe]

Hey, Luke had everybody to uproar God with two Live Crew came out with that cover. And them girls out there that. Hey, boy.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

Shake what your mama gave y'. All. Come on, come on, come on.

[Ocho]

Hey, I remember them videos used to come on After Dark, huh?

[Joe]

Oh, king ISO and Mr. O. My goodness. What has been your favorite, your. Your funniest moment? Mine has been the Haitian dude, Ocho. Girlfriend mangled and tangled.

[Ocho]

Don't. Don't not take that. Don't not take that.

[ISO]

Hey, you see? See what happened? See, I I, I, I, I put myself in a vulnerable position, and, you know, a lot of people love to play. Love to play life, Uncle Joe. Like, everything is a win. Like, they always on top of everything. Like, they never took losses. You know, they ain't never been in. In. In vulnerable situations. I choose to be vulnerable. And y' all take my vulnerability and choose to make jokes and laugh at us.

[Ocho]

Nah, nah, nah, we ain't doing that.

[ISO]

Ojo, you just said there's never been nothing funny than that.

[Joe]

God damn. It's.

[Ocho]

Hey, it's the antics that Uncle.

[Joe]

Hey, Chad, Y' all see how. Y' all see how I sort of try to put that off on me, Each of my ears.

[ISO]

Hey, but listen, I. Listen, hey, Joe, every so time, you know, the rabbit got the gun, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO]

You know? Yeah, you know, because listen, he got me, you know, I done got people, and I didn't Got. Got.

[Ocho]

There you go.

[Joe]

That's it.

[ISO]

That's the game.

[Joe]

Yes, it is.

[ISO]

It's been like that, you know, So,

[Joe]

I mean, you win some, man, you lose some. You lose. Hello.

[Ocho]

But you live. Yeah, you live to fight another day.

[ISO]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Huh.

[Joe]

Who's worse at taking accountability? A woman who knows she's wrong or in ISO. What?

[Ocho]

How I get in.

[Joe]

This ain't.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, but hold up, though, boy. A woman. A woman ain't.

[Joe]

Hey, it's hard.

[Ocho]

It's hard to get a woman to fence up and say she were wrong.

[Joe]

Yeah,

[Ocho]

yeah, we. We know that, but I. I take accountability,

[Joe]

but I don't get. They want me to take accountability, but when I'm right. Oh, we. We knew. Everybody knew that. Me, this was back in October. I told him about the. The Brown situation, aj. Oh, you just making it up. You don't know what's in that locker room. You don't know that. Ultra in November now. Oh, we been knew that. No, you did. That's not what y' all said,

[Ocho]

right?

[ISO]

Nope. Sure ain't.

[Joe]

So y' all want people to take accountability, but y' all won't take no accountability. Damn. Say hey, when I'm wrong. Hey, hey. That guy. Hey. But I look at a pattern of behavior.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I said, the guy won. This guy. I said, think about this. Think about this. I say, chat. And I tried to explain. I said, look at this. The guy won the Super Bowl. He caught a touchdown in the Super Bowl. They were winning on their way to the way to the Super Bowl. Ocho. What was he doing on the sideline?

[ISO]

Hey, what was the name of the book? Again,

[Ocho]

Hilarious.

[Joe]

I think that's what it was. Who y' all got more confidence in? Harden not crumbling in the postseason? Shooting his team in the foot or the Bingo's winning the super bowl before the Ravens?

[Ocho]

Oh, that ain't Bingo's. Win no Super Bowl. That ain't happening. Let's be. Let's keep it 100 now.

[Joe]

Let's. Let's be for real. We won't be able to hear the end of that, Joe. Oh, my goodness. This man come on here playing mariachi music and all kinds. Man, hell, no.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. It'll be the running of the Bulls. Be a parade.

[Joe]

Ocho is a guy. You can't. You see how he acted? He got a couple of games wrong, and now he want to start the show. He want to do. Oh, whoa, whoa.

[ISO]

I got a couple of games wrong.

[Joe]

Games, right.

[ISO]

Okay, thank you.

[Joe]

Got a couple of games right. So you see how you behaving, boy, you let them, Joe. You ain't never seen that joke with that. When the Bengals win, what I tell you?

[ISO]

Hey,

[Ocho]

I seen him on here crying when they lose.

[Joe]

I said, ocho, I don't. I'm rooting against yours, though.

[ISO]

I would hurt. Hey, that's. Hey, Joe. That's how. You know how much it means to me, Joe. I was on this thing crying, like. See, I've had. I had many times on this show where I've been in a vulnerable state, Joe. You know, where I told a story about, you know, my girl when I was a freshman. I ain't had no business dating no senior. Hear me?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO]

I mean, the bank was lost, and I had my hopes up. I'm on here crying.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO]

I mean, you know, all my relationships are lived out publicly because I don't have nothing, Joe. Yeah, yeah, I had none, you know, and it's just. I know. You know, it's just sometimes I'm one of the few where I have no problem losing publicly. I have no problem, you know, but when I'm winning, I'm gonna win publicly, too.

[Ocho]

Right. Right. I got you.

[ISO]

I'm human.

[Ocho]

Understood. Understood.

[Joe]

Hey, would you still give your daughter fried catfish, spaghetti, cornbread, and sweet tea in a foam cup? Nixon. Fine. Ocho basically understood it. The. The. The big weddings, like, 75, 80% of the time. Ending divorce.

[ISO]

Oh, yeah. Hey, because they. Oh, you heard what you just said. Big weddings, they about aesthetics.

[Joe]

Huh? And that's what I'm saying.

[ISO]

They about. They're not. They're about the wedding. They're not about marriage. There's a Difference. You got to be able to tell the difference between the two. Some people want a wedding, some people want a marriage. They. The wet people that want weddings, big weddings. They worry about aesthetics.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO]

It's being beautiful. They don't understand what it entails to actually be married. And I'm the one that. Listen, this is the right message just coming from the wrong goddamn message. But still, but still, you know. But marriage is hard.

[Joe]

Hell yeah, man, it's hard. I think people think you get married, everything, you're not going to argue anymore. Everything's going to be okay. No, my thing is what I told my daughter. I said, why would you want this big, expensive, expensive wedding? Why not take this money and put toward the down payment on the house? Why not get. You get, get ahead. Come on life. Come on.

[ISO]

Talk to talk now.

[Joe]

Oh, man, he's been. Bro, I'm just trying to be practical. Is that. Yeah. I still help my kids out. They're grown, but they know if they need it, absolutely gotta have it. Okay. Yeah.

[Ocho]

But I'm here.

[Joe]

Okay. What are you doing? You exhausted? Have you done this? You do X, Y and Z that?

[Ocho]

I've tried every go.

[ISO]

Hey, and Joe, I'm willing to help anybody, Joe. My kids, people on the outside, you know, family. But if you're not trying, if you're not doing nothing, Joe.

[Ocho]

That's what I'm saying, bro.

[ISO]

Uncle. If you're not doing nothing, if you're not even trying, you always got an excuse, this and that. I can't. I can't. I'm not doing nothing.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's. I think that that's the biggest thing for me. It's some damn excuses, bro. I can't deal with no damn excus.

[Joe]

Man.

[ISO]

I'm. I'm good. I'm good.

[Joe]

I mean, I like to think I gave you a head start. You got no college debt, you had no car payment, you had nothing. Just get a job, that's it. And for the most part, hell, I paid the first two years for your apartment. You ain't got no bills.

[Ocho]

Well, listen, I can't.

[ISO]

I can't deal with.

[Joe]

But for, you know, the thing is they, they. Look, look, I got great kids. They haven't given me any problems. They still, they still respectful. You know, I check in from time to time. Their mom a. What's going on? Because, you know, for the most part, you know, they, you know, they. They like, okay, daddy gonna help me, but you know, a lot of times they won't help, but they don't want to hear. They don't want to hear me. They don't want to hear me.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they know what's coming at.

[Joe]

Yeah, exactly. So they don't want to hear that. So they don't really tell me. So their mom, their mama called it, like. Okay. You talk to such and such. Nah.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

What's going on? Well, I must. You ain't here for me. Okay.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

So when they. When they finally do call, I said that what. I do. Like my grandma used to do, So. But. But look, I. I understand. And, you know, it's tough. It's tough. But, you know, I just say, you got to be smart now. I say if I'm working as hard, you got to work just as hard as me now, you can't be working. I can't be the hardest worker and then helping support you. I need. I need.

[Ocho]

And listen.

[Joe]

And I know I. I know you're capable of doing it. And we're gonna put our heads together. We're gonna figure this out, so. Oh, no, no, no. You know, hey, my son needed some. Needed some help this. This past summer, I took care of. Yeah, but listen, help is one.

[Ocho]

Help is one thing.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But if I rationalize with you. If I rationalize which. And you come to me, tell myself you need a thousand dollars for Airbnb for spring break, I'm trying to talk you off this cliff, man. Cause that ain't worth it. I'm keeping real. That ain't worth it, bro. And then the next week, you gonna need some more money, because now you. You did. No. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hell, no. But I know if they called me, I said, they don't got desperate. They don't got really desperate, But a lot of times. Let me see. Send me the bills. Send me.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

I'll let Shelly. Shelly pay it. Because you're not. You're not gonna run the Okie Doke on me.

[Ocho]

Oh, man.

[ISO]

Hey, that's a good one. Hey, I need to try that.

[Joe]

Hey, y' all got 1500. Talking about you need 15,000?

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

Send me the bill at first if you got to build that much. Damn. When was the last time you paid it? I'm surprised you still got a phone. I'm still. You guys. You got a house or a car?

[Ocho]

The hell.

[Joe]

But they. They as they don't wait. That thing get too far gone now. Cause, hell, if it get too far gone, ain't nothing I can do.

[Ocho]

Right?

[ISO]

Hey.

[Joe]

Hey.

[ISO]

You know, we. We family. I know. I know. I could. You. Speaking of letting stuff, you know, get too far Gone. Grandma?

[Joe]

Yes.

[ISO]

Listen, we family. I can tell y'. All. God forgive me. Grandma, rest her soul. Boy, if she knew how far. Nah, it's. I'm not going. It's not my brother fault. He just didn't know. The house where. My house, where I grew up. Uncle Joe was going up for auction May 15th.

[Joe]

Huh?

[ISO]

It was going up for auction May 15th, so the people had to get a hold of me late, ask me how much the back taxes was on the house.

[Ocho]

It had to be about.

[Joe]

No, it ain't that much. It's probably.

[Ocho]

I would say

[ISO]

my. My mama passed in 20, 21, so it hadn't been paid since. Give me a number. Give me.

[Joe]

Well, you ain't got. Here's the thing. There's no state taxes, so the property tax might be high. A hundred thousand.

[ISO]

Nah, uncle had to pay 43, 000 before May 15th.

[Joe]

That's it.

[ISO]

That's it. See, you know what? See what happened? See, that's why you can't talk to rich people. Hey, Joe, you see what I'm talking about? I had to pay 43, 000 in back tax, he talking about. That's it.

[Joe]

Joe, will you tell him, if you own a house, how much you got to pay in taxes?

[Ocho]

It's high, but hey, hey. To catch you off guard like Ocho.

[ISO]

Hey, hey, Caught me off. Caught me completely. So that. That's 43. That's 43 coming out.

[Joe]

I got this bill. I got this bill. I got this bill. I got this bill.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

I, I ain't budget no 43.

[Ocho]

Right, right.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[ISO]

And you know what make it even worse is I'm redoing grandma house right now. It ain't. It ain't nothing but a shell. They working on it. You think I'm gonna let that go? So I had no choice, but. Oh, absolutely not, man. Take. Take this. Take this. Yeah, I, I, I make it up in another area.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, but that bus is. Hey, no, no, no, no. Hey, but see, that's the thing, though. Ocho didn't let that thing go. I'm surprised. I'm surprised, knowing who you are. What. But see, the thing is, they. They thought it was him. See, if they know it was you. Yeah, they let it go even further because, see, they got to get you in a position where you can't pay it, so then they come in and get it up off you. Oh, yeah.

[ISO]

His name hit his name on it.

[Joe]

So they know that, oh, he can't afford this. And had you not come in, they'd have got to steal. They got to steal and end up selling the house for 4, 5, 6, $700,000.

[ISO]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Ocho]

Enough just to get their money back.

[Joe]

Their money back.

[ISO]

Right.

[Joe]

But they're gonna take it. Oh, yeah. That's how they do you.

[ISO]

I know. Hey, I know they were. I know they were, too.

[Joe]

When they found out. When they found out you had sent that chicken or. Or the direct. Hey, hey.

[ISO]

Went right down to the place. They. They called me. If they called me on a Monday by. When they got that cashier check on Tuesday. Man, don't play at my grandma house. Don't do that.

[Joe]

You gotta tell I know how to do. You and I. Man, I just. Bro, why you let it get this far?

[ISO]

I. I ain't even want to. I didn't even want to do that. I didn't want to do that because it was no point to have an argument about it with no point in having a conversation and creating unnecessary dialogue, because it is what it is, and they got to get taken care of.

[Joe]

So they didn't send no bills to the house or nothing.

[ISO]

I'm way. You know, I'm way out here. Way out here yonder. I call my brother, check on him, make sure everything. Good. Boy, you good. You need anything, man? I'm good, man. I'm just working.

[Joe]

Boom. That's the. What about the mail, Chauncey? You know, Chelsea, you know, you know, taxes. I mean, even though ain't no state taxes, they still property taxes in Florida.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO]

Hey, don't worry about. I got. I got it now. I got it. I want that one thing. Hey, listen, what you get to put in your name? I am. I am. Make sure y' all come on down here, man. Come on down here, you know, have

[Joe]

a little barbecue and then let you. That. That'll be your. It should have been in your name anyway. It's one of your grandma passed. It should have been in your name because now you get to write it off.

[ISO]

Well, actually. Actually, my mom. My mama.

[Joe]

Okay, when your mama passed, it should have been in your name. You should have went and got it in your name. You probably should have started talking to her about that beforehand and put it in your name.

[ISO]

I would have probably got cussed out. But I understand what you're saying.

[Joe]

You paying the taxes on it anyway. Even when your mom was alive, you was paying the taxes on it, so you might as well write it off. Ocho.

[Ocho]

I am.

[Joe]

No, I'm saying. I know you are now, but I'm saying that's What?

[Ocho]

You.

[Joe]

You should. But I talked to you offline. How the best way to go about it, to make sure this doesn't happen again. And make sure. Okay. Nobody come in and get it from you.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Kids are all at the game and you are out there running around with no draws. All right, so make sure Ocho got some layers on when y' all play one on one. Oh, if he comes back to his head, it ain't no. They got a crystal bourbon shape, you know? No more. We know why. Oh, yo, you too big for this, little man. Playing sports with no draws on.

[ISO]

Hey, me, the football pants was, like, wearing tights.

[Ocho]

That's out of control.

[Joe]

Oh, I know, but I had. I had on, what you call them up under there. Yeah,

[ISO]

that's too much. That's too much restriction,

[Joe]

Joe.

[ISO]

Why you laughing, Joe?

[Ocho]

I couldn't even imagine that, bro. I can't even imagine that.

[Joe]

No, no. You know, I don't. I don't know everything but what I try to do. But what I do know and what I've been exposed to, I try to expose others to that. That. So they don't get in that situation. And so that's what I try to do. See, the problem is with y'. All. Y' all think y' all know everything and hadn't been exposed to anything and you don't know.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

You do realize that once you become in a certain tax bracket and you meet certain people, certain people turn you on to certain things that. I think this is the way you should do it. You look into it and says, okay. You ask your people, okay, fine. Or you get people that say, well, hey, this is what you need to do. You need to handle it like this. So therefore, if X, Y, and Z happened X, There are protocols, there are steps. Yes. Because if something happened to me, I want it. Hey, ain't no discussion. Okay? This is where this goes. This is where that goes. This is where this goes. It's already settled. That's the way you do it.

[ISO]

Yeah. And it's. It's so many loopholes, too. I know about most of the loopholes. That one I don't. I didn't. I didn't know about. Because I wasn't aware what was going on. Yeah, but as far as other things going on in life, so many loopholes when you know the right people in the way they do things.

[Joe]

Halliburton was injured. He was cooking okc. Let's stop that. Look, the thing is, I thought they did a very good job of neutral because I Don't think Shea had the best series last year, guys. They won. It had been very interesting. If Halliburton could have stayed healthy. We'll never know. We'll never. We'll. We'll never, never know. But do I expect Shay to. I mean, he could. He could. And they didn't really need to make the average 30 like he normally does during the regular season against the Lakers. They might need him to pick it up a little bit against San Antonio because they have an offense and they're a lot better defensively. So it's going to be very interesting to see how that. How this thing plays out. I'm excited to see. Well, we'll get a. We'll get. We'll get an early. Oh, no, they play two. What? They play Tuesday.

[Ocho]

They play tomorrow.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, they play tomorrow. The Knicks. Knicks play, too. Right, right. So we'll. We'll. We'll. We'll see how this thing play out. It's gonna be a good. What time the game?

[ISO]

Come on. Wait, who play tomorrow, Joe?

[Joe]

San Antonio and lkc.

[ISO]

Damn, already?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[ISO]

They ain't getting. Boy, no time to rest.

[Ocho]

They have had rest. Yeah,

[Joe]

yeah, they play. They.

[ISO]

They just played two days ago.

[Joe]

Thursday. They played Friday night. Joe Ocho. So you had Saturday night, Sunday night, you back at it Monday. Think about Cleveland, okay? Cleveland's only gonna get Monday off. They play Sunday, right? Tuesday. Tuesday. My bad. Yes. Boy, these days becoming hell. I'm confused. I need to give me some days off. Ocho. ISO, start cutting.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

Shocky, Dallas Car Crumpler.

[Ocho]

Shocky Dallas Clark.

[Joe]

Oh, man. Oh, you got Chris Chambers, Santona Moss, Dwayne Bow. ISO. You got Rip Hamilton, Kmart, Jason Williams. Which Jason Williams?

[ISO]

White chocolate.

[Joe]

No, I think you mean the other Jason Williams. That was in Phoenix. Wasn't he in Phoenix or Golden State? Who? Jason Williams. Richardson.

[Ocho]

You talking about Jason Richardson.

[Joe]

He.

[Ocho]

That's who you talking about.

[Joe]

Yeah,

[Ocho]

yeah. Jason Richard played in Phoenix and Golden State played in Orlando.

[ISO]

That.

[Ocho]

Actually, we in the same draft. We was in the same draft class 2001.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he won five.

[Joe]

All right, I'm gonna take. Okay, who. I'm gonna start. But it's tough, man. Shaki had some years. Shocky got out the gate strong. I think I would start. I'm a start. Shocky. I'm a bench crumpler. I'm cutting. Dallas Clark.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[ISO]

Damn.

[Joe]

Gotta cut somebody.

[Ocho]

Yeah, somebody.

[Joe]

Who you got? Oh, Chris Neighbors, Santana Moss, Dwayne Bo. Oh, man, that's easy. Bench Chambers cut both.

[ISO]

Man, you can't cut my dog like that, man.

[Joe]

Who, man, that man had one season ojo. You know it.

[ISO]

Hey, hey. Chris Chambers was a monster in Miami, boy.

[Joe]

Hold on. Didn't he play? He played in the Chargers too, though.

[ISO]

He played at the Charges too. But I remember. I remember all them damn one handed catches. It would. We were the Dolphins. But tanning, man, Definitely starting, though. You did yours already.

[Joe]

Kenya Martin, Jason Richardson.

[Ocho]

I'm a star. Kenya, bench rip.

[Joe]

Damn. You cut your class.

[Ocho]

And that's my. Hey, hey, Jay. Rich, my dog.

[Joe]

I can't tell.

[Ocho]

I got the. Well, I got. Damn. I gotta cut some damn body here, Ocho.

[Joe]

Me and you. ISO, dog. Boy, ain't no telling what's gonna happen to us. What shirt that is you wearing.

[Ocho]

They don't know nothing about their school days.

[ISO]

That's school days. Wake up.

[Ocho]

I got snuck into the movie theater to see that.

[ISO]

That was a good movie, boy.

[Joe]

School days.

[ISO]

That was a good day. Hey, hey, hey. And Joe on Netflix. Y' all seen. It's called Nemesis.

[Joe]

I know, but telling me about it, I haven't seen it. It's good.

[ISO]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, you got. You got to see it.

[Ocho]

I started watching it. It's funny, Ocho. I started watching it last night. To watch me here. It was watching me for before I knew it.

[Joe]

Check it out.

[ISO]

I like it.

[Joe]

Man, you're gonna have to. Man, you gonna have to get that. You're gonna have to get. Hey, you gotta.

[ISO]

You gotta watch it. It's real nice chat. If you haven't seen Nemesis on Netflix, go check it out.

[Joe]

Cav's first final script is Troy paloma at top 20. DB all time. Nightcap. Love y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Joe]

Thank you.

[ISO]

Yes.

[Joe]

Together. Yes. Who. Who asked that? He's. He's talking about overall, when you combine safeties and corners, and I still think He's a top 20.

[Announcer]

Why would you.

[ISO]

Why would you even combine both? He the top three safety all time.

[Joe]

He really is. Me personally, I got Ed Reed, Ronnie, Troy. But hey, yeah. People don't realize Rodney started out as a corner.

[ISO]

Who Rodney?

[Joe]

Rodney Harrison.

[ISO]

Oh, he did.

[Joe]

At that size,

[ISO]

He can run.

[Joe]

I think Ronnie had. Ronnie had like. Yeah, I think Ronnie had like eight picks. Yeah, Ronnie was. Ronnie started as a corner.

[ISO]

Hey, Ronnie, he went to usc too.

[Joe]

All them Marcus came Jenny Smith, Anthony Munoz, Chris. All them Ross Brown. All of them. Yes. You know, hey, you know who the DB what you call him? Jeff Fisher.

[ISO]

What you talking about? The head coach, Jeff Fisher from the title?

[Joe]

Yep.

[ISO]

What position Jeff played Oh, hell no.

[Ocho]

He was good.

[Joe]

Okay. He was a. Yeah, think about it. Dennis went for. Because that year. Dennis went first round. Ronnie went first round. Yeah, I think. What year. I think Munoz came out in 80, though. I think they were like. They were like fresh freshmen or sophomores when. When Munoz was a senior. But they got. They had a squad. They had a squad. Charles White. Charles White. Wonder Heisman. Because Ronnie was the fullback. Ronnie, Charles White, Lynn Kane, and Marcus Allen was the backfield. They were in the backfield. So Charles went to Heisman in 79, and then Ronnie. Then Marcus wins it in 81. Yeah, so Ronnie was a fullback, but Ronnie. Ronnie was Ronnie, not. Not Ronnie. Marcus. Marcus was a quarterback coming into college. He went to the same. He went to the. And Reggie Bush and Alex Smith went to the same. Alex Smith and Reggie was on the same team in high school, so I guess they were pretty good. Corey Johnson, man, y' all the whole other league with these AMGs and whatnot. I just ride on what, my 20, 20, 21. F250. Man, I. I ain't got nothing new, bro. My car's 7 and 13 years old. I ain't got, like, Ocho and Joe.

[Ocho]

Nah, I'm. I'm in a. I'm in a 20, 22, 20, 21.

[ISO]

Hold on. I. I didn't mention anything about getting nothing new, though. I said I was trying to get something for someone else, man, we just

[Ocho]

seen you bought $700,000.

[Joe]

Yeah. You got a McLaren. What you talk.

[ISO]

That was. That was last year.

[Joe]

Oh, my bad, man.

[ISO]

You talking about this year?

[Joe]

Now people see what six fans been saying about Tobias Harris. Zero field goals made when it matter. You ain't lying. You ain't lying to me. The Cavs big gotta outplay Cat. OG and Robinson and Harden and Mitchell got to get 50 and manageable turnovers. If they can do that, they got a good chance. Yeah, but I think. I think defensively, I think the Knicks might be better than Detroit, Joe, because you look at their wings.

[Ocho]

Do you really?

[Joe]

I'm looking at. I'm look. Because here's the wing. Yeah, you look at. Yeah, you look. The question is, oh, gee, how soon to get back. But you. I think Mikhail Bridges will probably start on. On Donovan. Or do you think Hart starts on Donovan and Mikhail starts on Harden?

[Ocho]

Hell, no. I think Hart gonna have to guard Mobley. Who else they gonna put on him? Uncle, you got. You got Bridges, Hart, Brunson, Wonder.

[Joe]

Yeah, and. And I guess the other guy. The other guy that started for OG but he's a guard.

[Ocho]

Yeah. So you're gonna have to put heart on Mobley.

[Joe]

Well, if that's the case, man. Hey, Mobley should average 30 and 10.

[Ocho]

I mean, I ain't gonna go there, but I think he should be at least 22 and about 12. I'm saying in order for them to compete and really be in this series and have a chance to win, I. I agree. They big's gotta outplay Cat and Robinson, and I think they can do that.

[Joe]

Yeah, they can do that. You're talking about who Brunson gonna guard? Probably Streuss or.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

Merle away.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

Somebody that's really. I mean, looking to shoot the ball. They're not gonna post him up.

[Ocho]

Boy, they gonna have hell on their hands, though. I'm talking about the. The Cavs and God and Brunson. If you guarding him with Merle or. Or Wade. Oh, man, that.

[Joe]

Man, you better go crazy. Oo. Would you box Francis Nganu for the Bengals to win the Super Bowl?

[ISO]

Yeah. What you mean without boxing?

[Ocho]

Man? Get his ass whooped out there, man.

[ISO]

That man put his pants on one leg at a time, just like me, man.

[Joe]

Okay, Mickey Mouse.

[ISO]

No, it don't matter. It don't matter. It don't matter how they fit. He put his on the same way

[Joe]

I do, in fact.

[ISO]

And you know, Yeah, I. I hope so. And what would James Harrison ass at? Because I'm still waiting. I'm gonna slap him as soon as I see him on site.

[Ocho]

Hey, man, keep that. Keep that man name out your mind

[Joe]

for Saturday, July 11 World cup quarterfinals double header into McGregor Holloway. This summer will be fun.

[ISO]

Hey, boy. Dana announced that. Hey, hey. Let's go now.

[Joe]

You want to go to the fight?

[ISO]

Come on. If. What if there's one fight we need to be at, you know it's that one.

[Ocho]

Yeah. All right.

[Joe]

We done.

[ISO]

You know it's that one. Tell Dana I got. Hey, I got.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna go.

[ISO]

Hey, I got my outfit already picked out.

[Joe]

What?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Joe laid out. Like, when you going to high school? It's already Joe.

[ISO]

I'm wearing all black dickies, Joe. All black dickies with the crease.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe]

Y' all see the promo commercial ESPN a few days ago advertising Cal's Knicks to play game one tonight. It aired just before game six. We saw it. We.

[Ocho]

I. I seen it, too, but. But damn it, that ain't rigged, bro. Them boys got our play tonight.

[ISO]

Yeah. Got their ass spanked like I said they would.

[Joe]

Give us what you ate for Breakfast and dinner in your prime. And when you were cut up, oatmeal, egg whites. And then I would have protein shake. And then I would have lunch. I'd have 8 ounces of chicken, turkey or filet with broccoli, green beans. Then I would have go home, eat basically the same thing. So if I had, if I had red meat, if I had a filet for lunch, I'd have chicken for dinner. If I had chicken for lunch, I'd have turkey or red meat for dinner. And then I'd have another protein shake. That's why I said I can eat the same thing every day. I don't get, I don't get bored eating big 3k. We get a juicy J on one day. Can we talk? Magic City? Yeah. I mean I've been trying to go to. I've been trying to go to Magic, but you know, Ocho scared.

[ISO]

Yeah. Magic who? Magic City.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO]

Hey, Joe. I'm trying to see what the lemon pepper wings hitting on Joe. I. I keep hearing it from everybody else. I just want to see. That's all.

[Joe]

They like that.

[Ocho]

Well, you had your chance. You, you, you played.

[ISO]

Hey, Joe. Hey, stop bringing that up, man, before you make me. Make me do something to you.

[Joe]

For at least one night during the finals, kid. We need, we need glove and bread on at the same time. Them boys are fools. Ain't thunder up up dropped 600 or took my son to his first thunder game for playoff game. SGA MVP. Enough said. Thunder and 5.

[Ocho]

Damn. Thunder and five,

[Joe]

man.

[Ocho]

It's gonna be a good one. I can't wait.

[Joe]

I think it's going at least six, Joe. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

This episode of Nightcap. The Cavaliers moved to the Eastern Conference finals to face the New York Knicks. Thanks to a 31 point victory, 125 to 94. Jared Allen had 21. Evan Mobley. Excuse me. Jared Allen had 23. Evan Mobley had 21. Donovan Mitchell had 26. Sam Merrill had 23. Off the bench on 5 of 8 shooting from the 3. And they overwhelmed the Detroit Pistons. Nobody played particularly well. They didn't shoot well and they definitely did not defend well. And they're. They're great. Season 60 wins. The number one seed in the in the east was not enough as they get sent home. They gone fishing. Y' all know who I am? I'm your favorite unc. That's my partner and co host Liberty Said, his own bingo ring of fame honoree, a former pro Bowler and an all Pro. That is Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the third member of the Big three seven time NBA All Star from the Atlanta Hawks, Arkansas University of Arkansas alum that is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys. Thank you for your support and your continued support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of shade by Laportier head over to laportierconac.com if it's currently unavailable in a state or city near you. It's a premium VSOP Cognac, the best tasting, smoothest VSOP Cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. We've been nominated for four Hashtag Awards in 2026 Breath Best Branded Partnership for Nightcap Outside with the Row Best Podcast Best Athletes Podcast Best Use of Live Video Please the link is pinned in the chat. Please go vote for your your favorite trio. Thank you guys again for your support. We'll be back tomorrow after game one of the Western Conference Finals between the Thunder and the Spurs. Thank you guys for joining us. Peace.

[ISO]

Let's go.

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