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Summary

Nightcap LIVE from Super Bowl Radio Row: Hour 2

iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”) & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Air Date: February 5, 2026
Special Guests: Bo Jackson, Orlando Brown Jr., Emmitt Smith, Aaron Jones, Conor Hayes, Trey McBride, Stephen A. Smith

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Episode Overview

Broadcast live from Super Bowl Radio Row, Hour 2 of Nightcap brings together Hall of Fame legends, current NFL stars, and sports media icons. Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson hold court with candid conversations that range from championship mindsets to men’s health, player contracts, team dynamics, football culture, and lifestyle. With guests like Bo Jackson, Orlando Brown Jr., Emmitt Smith, Aaron Jones, Conor Hayes, Trey McBride, and Stephen A. Smith, this hour delivers heartfelt testimonies, hot takes, laughs, and locker room wisdom with the hosts’ trademark authenticity and energy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Bo Jackson: Candid on Health, Legacy, and Giving Back

[01:40 – 22:30]

• Men’s Health Advocacy: Bo opens up about his prostate cancer diagnosis, his recovery (now four months cancer-free), and speaks out on the importance of men—especially athletes—talking openly about health issues.
  • “God put speed bumps in everybody’s road to life. It is up to us to slow down, get over that speed bump, move on down the road.” — Bo Jackson [03:46]
  • He describes breaking the taboo among men, candidly discussing how many ex-athletes go through cancer privately and encourages regular checkups and openness.
• Career Perspective & Legacy: Bo claims he never dwells on what could have been if he’d just played one sport—“It was in the cards for me to do exactly what I did, period.”* [02:48]
• New Podcast Launch: Announces “Bo Knows Men's Health,” aimed at encouraging men to have tough conversations and support each other with medical issues.
  • “The more you talk about about it, the stronger it makes you.” [15:17]
• Parenting & Family: Light-hearted talk about spoiling his grandkids, biking across Alabama for tornado relief, and his charitable foundation.
  • “I can bring them over, jack them up on Skittles and Coke, and send them home doing these.” [18:09]
• Choice of Auburn over Alabama: Bo shares the motivation from a recruiting coach’s slight, which made him determined to prove himself against Alabama. [11:40–13:40]

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Orlando Brown Jr.: Commitment, Consistency & Team Building

[28:02 – 33:53]

• Training Mentality: Brown describes staying in Cincinnati year-round to keep his mental routine intact and elevating his game through consistency.
  • “For me as a big guy, like, I gotta stay in it and I keep my routine.” [29:50]
• Team Needs for Super Bowl Run: Stresses the importance of depth in offensive and defensive lines—"the trenches"—as the key for postseason success.
  • “You can never have enough D linemen.” [32:29]
• Longevity Ambition: Inspired by legends, Orlando wants to play until he’s 40, cherishing the game’s impact on him and his family’s legacy.

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Emmitt Smith: Receiver Value, Team Dynamics & Football Wisdom

[34:31 – 47:44]

• Tableau Device Plug & Family Update: Emmitt briefly plugs a device (“tableau”) and updates on his son’s NFL dreams before diving into football talk.
• Receiver Contracts Debate (George Pickens & CeeDee Lamb): Discusses whether Pickens deserves a higher contract than Lamb, emphasizing that true number ones don’t quit or pout—they play hard regardless.
  • “A number one don’t quit. A number one goes through and don’t pout when he doesn’t get the ball.” — Emmitt Smith [39:05]
  • Stresses need for the right system to maximize a player; cautions not every talented player is a true #1 mentally.
• Self-Awareness & Leadership Lessons: Shares a story of being called out by Jimmy Johnson in practice, driving home that no one is above the team.
  • “That wasn’t for you. That was for everybody on the team to know that if I can get on my best players… then you don’t stand a chance.” [46:01]

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Aaron Jones: Transitions, Leadership, and Mentality

[48:18 – 57:58]

• Reflections on the 2023–2024 Season: Talks about the transition from the Packers to the Vikings, acknowledging the impact of losing star QB and how leadership must evolve.
• Overcoming Injury: Describes frustration over a “nicked” season but values the growth in leadership; plans to prove himself again as one of the best running backs.
• Team Improvements: Execution and mistake-free football are seen as crucial for the Vikings’ Super Bowl aspirations. Jones underscores the need for all 11 players to play with “a mean streak” and hold each other accountable.
• Staying Power: Stays healthy by mirroring Jerry Rice’s working habits—never letting his body fully rest so it doesn’t have to “get back going.”
• On Quarterback Development: Advocates for patience with young QBs, reflecting that NFL culture too often expects instant results.

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Conor Hayes (Threads): NFL Fandom, Community & Digital Culture

[63:27 – 66:54]

• Threads Grows with NFL Conversation: Conor, head of Threads, discusses how the app aims to be central to sports culture, bringing voices of insiders and everyday fans together.
• Patriots Super Bowl Odds: Shares his surprises and expectations about the Patriots’ rapid rise with Drake May at quarterback.

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Trey McBride: Tight End Ascendancy

[70:07 – 78:50]

• Madden 99 Club Aspirations: Playful request for a ratings bump after record-setting season.
• Breakout Year Analysis: Gives props to Jacoby Brissette for “just trusting” him and throwing him the ball, even against double coverage.
• New Offense Outlook: With new OC Mike LaFleur and weapons like Marvin Harrison Jr., McBride expects to remain a central part of the offense.
• On Consistency and Recognition: Wants to be remembered as a “consistent, elite player” who did everything the right way.

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Stephen A. Smith: NBA Trades, Super Bowl Analysis & Friendship

[81:09 – 97:07]

• NBA Trade Insights: Skeptical on Giannis and Ja Morant trades before deadline, and delves into Ja’s lack of growth in his game, especially his poor perimeter shooting.
  • “No evolving, like you shooting 23% for three point range. Do you know that’s the second worst three point shooter in the NBA right now?” [83:42]
• Super Bowl Pick & Analysis: Picks the Seahawks over the Patriots, focusing on Seattle’s completeness, defensive strength, and offensive weapons.
  • “They’re the most complete team… The only shot New England has of winning this Super Bowl, they have to hold Seattle to 20 points or less because I don’t see them scoring more than 20.” [86:16]
• Personal Jabs & Camaraderie: Brings fun with tales of parties and living in Miami, riffing on friendship, loyalty, and the ups and downs of the sports media world.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Bo Jackson on Open Conversation and Resilience
  “There’s not a man in here who ain't scared to death of hearing that word ‘cancer’ from a doctor. But my message is, don’t wait. Get checked. The more you talk, the stronger you get.” [06:07]
• Orlando Brown Jr. on Trench Play
  “It starts in the trenches. You can never have enough [offensive and defensive] linemen in this league.” [32:29]
• Emmitt Smith on Wide Receiver Mindset
  “A number one doesn’t let the circumstance impact how hard they play. You never let how much you get the ball dictate how you play.” [43:00]
• Aaron Jones on Mentality
  “When I step on the field… in my head, I was the best player on the field. Maybe I wasn’t. But you gotta be that.” [54:11]
• Trey McBride on Breakout Year
  “Jacoby [Brissette] was just like, ‘If it’s one-on-one, man, the ball’s coming to you.’ Even if it’s two-on-one, the ball’s coming to you.” [72:47]
• Stephen A. Smith on Super Bowl
  “If New England’s gonna win, they better hold Seattle under 20. I don’t see them scoring more.” [86:16] “Usually in the Super Bowl, it’s about your skill and your will.” [90:42]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Bo Jackson on Men’s Health & Cancer Journey: 01:40–22:30
• Orlando Brown Jr. Training/Team Culture: 28:02–33:53
• Emmitt Smith Receivers & Player Brand: 34:31–47:44
• Aaron Jones Leadership/Transition: 48:18–57:58
• Threads/NFL Digital Fandom (Conor Hayes): 63:27–66:54
• Trey McBride on Tight End Record, Expectations: 70:07–78:50
• Stephen A. Smith NBA Trades & Super Bowl Take: 81:09–97:07

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Takeaways

• Athlete Health & Vulnerability: Bo Jackson’s honesty on personal health sets the tone for prioritizing wellness over bravado—a strong message to fans and peers.
• Team Building & Culture: The recurring theme is true leadership: from owning up to growth areas to supporting younger teammates, and from challenging management to prioritizing the trenches.
• Evolving NFL & Player Value: Discussion of receiver contracts, system fit, and the nature of “Number Ones” in today’s NFL illuminate how the game's business and culture evolve.
• Locker Room Candidness: The episode thrives on fusing high-caliber football analysis with real-life stories and the unique humor of former pros—insightful both to diehards and casual fans.

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For more, catch the next Nightcap, and check out “Bo Knows Men’s Health” to continue the conversation on men’s wellness.

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Transcript

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[Uncle (Host)]

Harry, a former Raiders running back, outfielder for the Kansas City Chiefs and the White Sox.

[Bo Jackson]

Kansas City Royals, man.

[Uncle (Host)]

Royals. Royals. He's the only player to be a pro bowler and an MLB AllStar in the same season. A Heisman Trophy winner, one of the greatest running backs in collegiate history, and arguably he gonna say, who you arguing with? The greatest athlete of all time. There he is.

[Co-host Chad]

Absolutely. The legendary.

[Uncle (Host)]

Does anybody really know your first name?

[Co-host Chad]

It's B.

[Bo Jackson]

People don't know.

[Co-host Chad]

What's up, baby? Good.

[Bo Jackson]

You good? Doing all right? The pleasure.

[Uncle (Host)]

It's business. Bo, how you doing, bro?

[Bo Jackson]

I'm doing great. And as far as my name is concerned, now, you all don't know this because you're too young, but your parents will. Back in the 60s, there was a TV doctor. His name was Dr. Ben Casey. He had a TV show like Marcus Welby, okay? His name was Dr. Ben Casey. His real name was Vincent Edward, okay? I Think my mama had a crush on him. So she named me Vincent. So she named me Vincent Edward. So that's my name, Vincent.

[Co-host Chad]

Okay. I like. I like that.

[Uncle (Host)]

Do you ever think it's like, you know what, how good you could have been if you said, you know what, I'm just gonna play baseball, or if I'm just gonna play football? Or was your dream always to play both sports at the highest level?

[Bo Jackson]

I've never thought like that. For the simple reason it was in the cards for me to do exactly what I did, period. It was in the cards for me to get injured July 13, 1990. It was in the car. It was in the cards for me not to be in the hall of Fame or to go to the Baseball hall of Fame or go to Baseball hall of Fame or the Football hall of Fame. It wasn't meant to be. It wasn't meant for me to be. If they had it back then, as far as the NIL is concerned, I wouldn't have to take a pay cut to go to the NFL and baseball. So it wasn't meant. But I'm happy with the way my life turned out. I say this, and I'm not a very religious man, but God put speed bumps in everybody's road to life. It is up to us to slow down, get over that speed bump, move on down the road. Cause if you don't slow down when you go into the speed bump, what's going to happen?

[Co-host Chad]

Going to crash?

[Bo Jackson]

Yes. So the thing that I did slowed down, got over, and I didn't worry about my injuries. I didn't worry about my hip. Clement's got a bigger plan for this. And now, and I'll tell you this, I'm four months cancer free.

[Aaron Jones]

Really?

[Uncle (Host)]

What type of cancer did you have? You don't mind us asking?

[Bo Jackson]

My urologist found two cancer spots on my prostate. Now, they say now. They said, well, we could treat it. I said, no, hell, you can't. You gonna take this out. I said, I'm 63 years old, dude.

[Uncle (Host)]

Right?

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah, but I said, but I didn't live my life. But I didn't Been in the song, right? And the first thing that men think. Because I know the first thing y' all think. Prostate. He got next year. My sex life, old man. That's bull. That's bull. Still going strong. That's bull.

[Uncle (Host)]

You were taking them real sparse then.

[Bo Jackson]

No, no, no. But there. Out there for you.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yes.

[Bo Jackson]

To where? If you want to be intimate with your girl, which you. But you can. You can at the Drop of a hat.

[Uncle (Host)]

Damn.

[Bo Jackson]

At the drop. But that's all. Having knowledge about this. But we as men.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

I, I, I tell you what, women can go on TV and they could talk about they've had a hysterectomy. They've had cervical cancer. They've had breast cancer. They talk about everything. Leakage. They sit up and talk about it and have a glass of wine. But we as men. Yeah, shoot. We ain't talking about.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes, sir.

[Bo Jackson]

We ain't talking about. We wearing a depend. We ain't talking about none of that. We ain't talking about, hey, my doctor found out that I got a lump in my breast, but then I got breast cancer. We don't talk about that because it's taboo.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yes.

[Bo Jackson]

We got to be the alpha male.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes.

[Bo Jackson]

We got to be that alpha dog, the strong person that's going to sit up and be on top of everything.

[Uncle (Host)]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

We can't let somebody know that we got bothering us. So with us, we keep all that balled in. The only time we talk about it is we were behind closed doors with that one doctor.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

Sometimes we don't go home and tell our family.

[Uncle (Host)]

Nope.

[Bo Jackson]

No. Because our family look us as being the leader, the top dog, and we want them to continue to do that. But see, after my surgery, first thing I did, call buddies that I played, that I went to high school with, got on a conference call with all my baseball teammates, talk to my teammates on the football team, talk to guys that I played against, guys I played with in the pros on both baseball and football. Go get checked, man.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

They had pick up the thing. We could go out here and tackle a bear and knock him out, but we're afraid to go have that conversation with the doctor because we're afraid of what he's going to do.

[Co-host Chad]

Results. Yes.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yes. I don't, I don't want to know.

[Bo Jackson]

See, and that's it. You hurting yourself and you're being selfish when it comes to your family.

[Uncle (Host)]

You're absolutely right.

[Bo Jackson]

You hurting yourself.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

You're hurting yourself. But in the thing that I realize is that I'm Bo Jacks. If it could happen to me, can you imagine? Yeah. Now, after my surgery, you would not believe the number of ex professional athletes have gone through what I just went through.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Nobody knows.

[Uncle (Host)]

I had the same thing because I had, I had dealt with it in 2016.

[Bo Jackson]

Yes.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

But they don't.

[Uncle (Host)]

They caught it early. I had seed implant where they do the radioactive seeds, like the size of rice pellets. They Put them in there and it emitted a radiation for 21 days. I didn't have to have mine removed.

[Bo Jackson]

But now I have to say this. Having seeds is one thing, but cancer is just like Mother Nature. Cancer is just like mother Nature.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

They both undefeated. They both undefeated.

[Uncle (Host)]

You keep them at. You try to keep it at bay as long as you can.

[Bo Jackson]

But the thing about it. Do you know what I know because I said that and talked to my doctor, my surgeon. You know what I know? Because every six months, you looking over your shoulder. Yep. You dread going back to the doctor.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

And you shouldn't go through that. Listen, bigger coach. I had my first PSA test. My number 0.01. Before my surgery, my number was over 7.

[Uncle (Host)]

Wow.

[Bo Jackson]

See, the thing about. Is that they have a Gleason score. Yep. And the psa.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

You have to combine.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

And if you're over 7, you got to get something done.

[Uncle (Host)]

Absolutely.

[Bo Jackson]

And mine was 7.1, 7.2. Last three weeks ago, I got my PSA back and there was 0.01. So you get it taken care of.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yes.

[Bo Jackson]

You don't have to work.

[Uncle (Host)]

You.

[Bo Jackson]

You don't.

[Uncle (Host)]

You.

[Bo Jackson]

You're not looking over yourself, over your shoulder every five or six months.

[Uncle (Host)]

Both being what? Did you realize how special you were when you was in high school? When you was in college, did you realize you were this special?

[Bo Jackson]

I wouldn't call it special, no.

[Uncle (Host)]

Boo.

[Co-host Chad]

You. You were special. You were special.

[Bo Jackson]

But I enjoyed having the parents of the other teams sitting in the stand pissed off. Y. Get that man off the field with our children. Yes. But I. But I enjoyed that. Cuz we. Now a lot of people don't know in our backfield.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

There were two other backs that. That was just as fast as me in high school and as dangerous as me. Our three backs in. In. In the backfield, we were the state 4x1 relay team for four years in a row. And I anchored the football.

[Uncle (Host)]

Damn.

[Bo Jackson]

So we got the tight end to be the second leg, right?

[Co-host Chad]

The tight end was moving like that.

[Bo Jackson]

No, but he was 6, 3, 64 here. He had a long stride.

[Co-host Chad]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Bo Jackson]

But we just had to fill in with somebody, right?

[Uncle (Host)]

You gotta have four runners.

[Bo Jackson]

You have to have four runners.

[Uncle (Host)]

So.

[Bo Jackson]

Yes. So even then I didn't see it as being special. I had the mentality that when I stepped on the field, when I stepped across that white line on the football field or stepped across that chalk line on the baseball field, in my mind. And. And this. And this is the way I thought Once I step across that line, I'm the baddest mother. I. Yeah. And they know. And you got. And you got to prove to me that he better. You better than me. And. And that's just how things were. Our coach taught us. Coach D. Coach.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

He taught us in college. When you step on that field, you out there for one reason. Snatches to take his soul, make him want to quit before the fourth quarter. Because the fourth quarter is when we gonna turn up the heat. We gonna run with you for three.

[Uncle (Host)]

Right?

[Bo Jackson]

Right. And we may score 40 points on you in that three quarter, but the fourth quarter, you're gonna be looking towards sideline trying to get the coat to take you out.

[Uncle (Host)]

Tell the story of why you went to Auburn as opposed to Alabama, because I've heard you tell the story before, but tell the story of why you went to Auburn as opposed to Alabama.

[Bo Jackson]

I was an Alabama fan growing up all my life because that's all we knew.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

In Alabama it was Bear Bryant.

[Uncle (Host)]

Coach Bryant.

[Bo Jackson]

And he was in the midst of all his national championship and so wasn't strong. So when I. I was ranked as one of the top 10 running backs in the state. And Tuscaloosa only 30 minutes from my house. Yeah. Auburn's two hours. And I didn't know where the hell all but one. But I know they were the two biggest stupid.

[Uncle (Host)]

Right.

[Aaron Jones]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

And I come home one day from a baseball game, walk in the front door, old white guy sitting at the table with drinking coffee. Talk. It was their defensive coordinator, Ken Donahue. I spoke, Went on downstairs. My lord, he came out there. Vincent. My name's coach Donahue. Coach Brian would have come up himself, but he had a family issue that he had to deal with. So we talked and we were talking. He was telling me how good Bama was and how good they're gonna be and how Auburn had beat Bama since 1972. It's 1982. And then he said this before he said that. He said, look, we want you at Tuscaloosa, but personally, I don't think you'll get the opportunity to play until the end of your sophomore or the beginning of your junior season.

[Co-host Chad]

He said that you in person.

[Bo Jackson]

And then he said this. Auburn hasn't beat Alabama since 1972 and they never win. So he said, well, I'm gonna let you finish doing your watching uniform because I know you got a game to vote. Car Benson, it was nice talking to you. So I'm thinking. And I'm shaking his hand, but. And I'M smiling, but I'm saying, like, if you think I'm gonna sit on your bed for 10 years, you at your. So by him saying, and they never will, I made sure my freshman year.

[Uncle (Host)]

Top.

[Bo Jackson]

I racked up 256 on it. 250, freshman year.

[Uncle (Host)]

Was that the boat over the top.

[Bo Jackson]

And that long run down the sideline.

[Uncle (Host)]

Because it was.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It was.

[Uncle (Host)]

That was fourth, and that was fourth and gold. They ask you. They say what you want? He said, coach, give me that play over the top.

[Bo Jackson]

No, we actually practiced it. We actually practiced that play where we were doing it. Doing. Doing the three on three. Yeah. And the defense would tan our ass up. We couldn't score. So I went over to Randy Campbell with our quarterback and I called him Worm. Wormy, because he wasn't about even with his pants on. Random. About buck8 with all the pants on, and said, man. I said, look, man, I'm seven foot high jumper in high school. Which I was. I said, let's want to play for our golden time. We ran that play three times straight. I scored all three times. So, coach Dodge, why the. Why don't we put that play in?

[Uncle (Host)]

Okay.

[Bo Jackson]

And we put that play in. And he called it over the top. Wow.

[Uncle (Host)]

Tell them you got a podcast. You just started a podcast, right?

[Bo Jackson]

I'm starting my podcast, but Bo knows men's health.

[Uncle (Host)]

Okay.

[Bo Jackson]

So all of that stuff we just talked about. Okay. It's about getting we as men to open, open up about personal medical issues because we hold stuff in too long. We don't talk about it because we think that it denigrates us as a man.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

The more you talk about about it, the stronger it makes you. So I think it's one of my jobs. Like I said earlier, I don't think I was put on this earth to be a great football player, great baseball player.

[Co-host Chad]

Oh.

[Bo Jackson]

I was put on this earth to help put some sunshine in somebody's cloud. And by talking about this where nobody else do, where nobody else want, I figure, like, that I'm giving something back to the public because the public has given me enough to where I can for the next 10 lifetimes. But I want to give something back, and that's knowledge about men's health. Don't sit up and keep this to yourself. And the thing that I want to do, let's say I come to your. I come to your city.

[Uncle (Host)]

Great.

[Bo Jackson]

Call you. You get all your doctors.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Your cardiologist, your urologist, your proctologist. Get everybody, bring them to the fireside, chat Put them on stage with you and I. Now, what we're going to do is advertise it enough where all the local men in your town gonna want to come. You're going to charge them five to five, five to ten bucks to come for one hour, five side chat. Now, those funds aren't going to go to me. They're not going to, but the funds will go in a fund to help that guy who don't have good insurance like you and I.

[Uncle (Host)]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

They'll pay for the psa.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yep.

[Bo Jackson]

To help pay for the colonizer and what the doctor's gonna do because we are putting them on blast and talking about their company and their clinics. They got to give that patient a discount because we are bringing you more patients. And if they had to pay for that market, it would cost them a half a million to a million and two dollars.

[Uncle (Host)]

Right?

[Bo Jackson]

So we're giving them that for free to let them come there and talk. So it's all about giving back with me. And if I figured I could put some sunshine in one somebody's cloud, I feel that I've done my job. So it's not about Bo Jackson and what he's done in sports. It's about what I'm doing now.

[Uncle (Host)]

Right?

[Bo Jackson]

And for years since I left sports, I've been in the shadows.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

I done raised three kids. They're all grown, married, got good jobs. Still trying to get them off the payroll.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Good Lord with that.

[Uncle (Host)]

Good Lord with that.

[Bo Jackson]

Still trying to get them off. But I'm happy I got two grand. Boys, I spoil the shit out of them.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle (Host)]

The kids tell you say, daddy, you treat them better and give them more than you gave us.

[Bo Jackson]

Because I love them more. I said, cause I love them more. You was my child. These are my grandkids.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

See, I can bring them over, jack them up on Skittles and Coke.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

And send them home doing these. That's what I do. Buy them whatever they want. My oldest son, who's 4 years old, he'll get my phone or his. Nah, on his phone. But he said, nana, what's the code? Put code in, open it, go to. Go to the Target app. That's him right there. Yeah, they'll go to the Target app and he'll find something. Let's say he'll look at a car. Yeah, there's that. Pop up, he's.

[Uncle (Host)]

That.

[Bo Jackson]

I don't have this one, which means you gotta buy me this. I don't have this one. So you got to get it from me.

[Uncle (Host)]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

That's what it's all about. I like it, man. I'm happy.

[Uncle (Host)]

But the bike ride, you used to do a bike ride across Alabama?

[Bo Jackson]

Bama in this past summer was my last ride. Been doing it since 2012.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

There's a raise money for tornado fixment, but I want to do something different to help support minority charities.

[Aaron Jones]

Okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And.

[Bo Jackson]

And I haven't come out public with that yet. That's in the state of Alabama, okay? That's my home state. Right. Interest in Chicago. I have Bo Jackson Give Me a Chance Foundation.

[Uncle (Host)]

Right?

[Bo Jackson]

And we raise money for youth golf. And for half of the foundation, the other half we donate to the Shirley Ryan Ability Lab, which is the number one rehab hospital in the world for the past 35, 36 years. And we give funds to their challenge. Patient did this. So it's all about giving back from me, dude. That's what it is all about.

[Uncle (Host)]

Bo, you said your grandkid, your grandkid's not gonna play football. They're gonna play baseball.

[Bo Jackson]

Baseball? That four year old. Cause I take him to Sox park with the area he'll get out and rubber balls.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Get his plastic back. And this joker hitting balls to second base. And he's four years old.

[Co-host Chad]

At four already.

[Bo Jackson]

He can stroke. He can stroke. Guess who? He'll say. Guess who? The three most famous baseball players in the world. Guess what he said. He said, aaron, Judge, Papa, and me. And I love him. Yeah, I love it, man. I'm blessed to the point to where everybody's in my family's happy. Yeah. My grandkids are happy. I'm happy, my friends are happy. And I'm gonna do everything I can to keep those people that's in my little, little circle close to me, make sure they're all right, and they'll make sure that I'm all right.

[Uncle (Host)]

How often do you get to the park? How often do you get to football games? Do you go to sporting events? Were you a big fan? I know you were great at sports, but did you enjoy sports?

[Bo Jackson]

I love sports.

[Uncle (Host)]

So you get to the part. You get to the games anymore?

[Bo Jackson]

No. And it's for this reason. What's that? People all always ask, bo, you like, you can play football right now. He said, man, I live, I pull a muscle lifting the toilet seat. I ain't playing no sport. Come on, be good. I. I said, I'll golf. And now I can't golf because I got a bicep tear. And you'll get it fixed.

[Uncle (Host)]

You'll get it fixed.

[Bo Jackson]

But I think it's strained, but I don't think because I had the mri, this is just part of getting old.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah. Don't heal like they used to.

[Co-host Chad]

No, it don't.

[Uncle (Host)]

And you go to bed and feel fine and wake up and something hurt.

[Bo Jackson]

The next morning, it feel like you got run over about. But what the hell did I do? But I'm thinking that my wife didn't beat me in my sleep. But yes, it's like that now. And we got to take care of us.

[Uncle (Host)]

We do.

[Bo Jackson]

We gotta take. Don't ignore stuff now. If we wasn't on this mic, we wouldn't be talking as cordial.

[Uncle (Host)]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

Polite.

[Co-host Chad]

Right, Right.

[Bo Jackson]

But don't it. You know how brothers talk.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

They ain't gonna say stuff. We ain't gonna say stuff. Don't ignore it, dude. Don't think it's gonna go away because you don't know. Right. Know about.

[Co-host Chad]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

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[Uncle (Host)]

Right?

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[Stugatz]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

I love you guys.

[Uncle (Host)]

Show it's One of my favorites.

[Stugatz]

A lot of interaction. Guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you can expect from Stugouts Co. And Stugats Co. Live. So listen to Stugats Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, subscribe, rate, and review Stugots and Company and God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today, and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get.

[Bo Jackson]

Your podcasting about it and move on down the road. That's your only option.

[Uncle (Host)]

That's it.

[Bo Jackson]

Unless you ain't gonna be here alone, because look at how many guys that we played against, with, played against, played with from high school to now. That's not with us.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah, I lost three former college teammates all within the span of, like, three months.

[Bo Jackson]

Yes.

[Uncle (Host)]

So tell us one more time about the podcast that you're launching. Is Black Men.

[Bo Jackson]

No, it's called Bo Nose Men's Health Knows Men Help.

[Uncle (Host)]

Check out his podcast, Bo Knows Men's Health. You're talking to the greatest. This was the greatest athlete of our time. I mean, the last 100 years. There might have been others before 100 years ago, but you talk about the last hundred years, this man and I got an opportunity to see him play up close and personal without that Raiders team. When he came to Denver and he ran over our linebacker in 1990. You remember that in Mile High?

[Bo Jackson]

Well, I was hot as a jalapeno, wasn't I? But you know something? Right up. Right after I got off the field from that run. Yeah, I went and got that oxygen, boy.

[Uncle (Host)]

Absolutely. Bo Jackson. Bo, thanks for stopping by, man.

[Bo Jackson]

Appreciate it.

[Uncle (Host)]

Good to see you.

[Bo Jackson]

Thank you, brother. God bless y'.

[Uncle (Host)]

All. You too, Bo. Have a good one, man.

[Bo Jackson]

All right.

[Co-host Chad]

Hey, Chat. Hey, Chad. We got one of my.

[Uncle (Host)]

But you know, I'm gonna tell my brother, you say you could beat him in golf.

[Bo Jackson]

Be lying, because first thing he. First thing he gonna do is calm. Yeah. Hey, I hear you lying to my. I hear your line to my brother. I see Marcus got his doctor.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Hey, that never stay at home, bro.

[Uncle (Host)]

No, if they're the golf tournament or the big.

[Bo Jackson]

What's up, bro?

[Co-host Chad]

Hey, Chat.

[Uncle (Host)]

Hey, the thing is, you didn't know, but Marcus. Marcus was the fullback for Bo in Oakland.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah, I remember.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah, I remember. We got. We got. We got. We got the clean, sanitized version of both.

[Bo Jackson]

Oh, I can tell.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I can tell.

[Bo Jackson]

Margaret, come on.

[Co-host Chad]

What's up, baby? We got ob.

[Bo Jackson]

We got Obviously.

[Co-host Chad]

What's up, baby? What's good?

[Uncle (Host)]

You good? Huh?

[Co-host Chad]

Which one? Oh, yeah.

[Aaron Jones]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle (Host)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle (Host)]

Oh, yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Oh, yeah.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate it.

[Uncle (Host)]

That's his son.

[Co-host Chad]

Hey, all right.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah, yeah. See you in p. Shoes on.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[Bo Jackson]

That's my other brother over there.

[Uncle (Host)]

Here.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

You're younger than me. Yeah, I ate all the food.

[Uncle (Host)]

You know, this is the first. Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Hey, I didn't know you guys. Yeah.

[Uncle (Host)]

Way back. Hey, T, get your ass off camera.

[Bo Jackson]

We live.

[Uncle (Host)]

You blocking my shot. Yeah, he's on the 49er team.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah.

[Uncle (Host)]

Super bowl team. And he played with us. He won Super Bowl 97 with us. This is what you get with live television. You never know. You get Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen, Tim McCarran blocking your view. Just having a conversation, like, bro, we. You know, we. We kind of lie. Joining us now, offensive tackle, former Pro Bowler, who be.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yes, Sir.

[Uncle (Host)]

Orlando Brown, Jr. Oh, how you doing, bro? I'm doing good. I'm good.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Good to see you.

[Co-host Chad]

How's everything, baby?

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

It's been great. Oh, yeah.

[Co-host Chad]

So far this off season, I mean, what have you been up to so far?

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yeah, I just been in the facility, man. You know, I spend. I don't leave Cincinnati. No, that's where I train. Yeah, that's home. I train there year round. I love Cincy, man. It's really. It's a special place. And for me, so much of the sport is about still staying in it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

And I would go down to Miami and train. And don't get me wrong, I get in shape, but it was the mental aspect. I feel like I would have to build back up when I came back. And so training hard in the facility, day to day, keeping that same work routine year round, it just keep me in that state of mind, man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's so much.

[Co-host Chad]

I like your approach. I love your approach. But most of the time I think about when I was playing is after a rigorous six months. Rigorous six months. Putting in the time on and off the field when it came to the game, and studying the game, becoming a student of it, being somewhat of a sponge. Once the season ended, I needed to completely disconnect.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Co-host Chad]

I needed to recharge. I need to reset. So your approach. I like it. Yeah, I like it. But do you think you'll look back and say, well, damn, I never.

[Uncle (Host)]

Bingo.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yeah. Well, you know, early in my career, I would show up to training camp.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Out of shape.

[Aaron Jones]

I would.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I would. I would take my time off. I would be heavy you know, showing up my first four or five years in the league and, you know, I would take that time off, I would take that, that six weeks or, you know, from whenever the season ended until now.

[Uncle (Host)]

You can't take six weeks.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I can't do that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm gonna put on.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I'm gonna put on £50. You know what I mean?

[Co-host Chad]

I get it.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

So, you know, I like, for me as a big guy, like, I gotta stay in it and I keep my routine.

[Co-host Chad]

Okay, I like it.

[Bo Jackson]

I like it, man.

[Uncle (Host)]

What you guys gotta do, you look at your guys. You got T. You got Chase Brown, the running back came on and played unbesome, believable. You got a solid tight end in Gicki. Offensive line was, was, was good. Probably could get a little better. But what do you guys need to do? Oh, there's two years in a row with the talent that you got. You got a top five quarterback, you got a top one top two receiver, you got T on the other side. Your running game is solid. What do you guys need to do to get into the postseason and make a deep run like you did in 2020?

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yeah, well, you know, man, we got the hardest piece of the puzzle in nine, you know what I mean?

[Bo Jackson]

Yes.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

And a lot of teams don't have that. We fortunate to already have the hardest piece of the puzzle, but to me, man, it just comes down to executing, you know what I'm saying? I feel like in terms of our overall continuity as a team, it hasn't necessarily been there when we needed it. And so whether that be us winning games in November and December, you know what I mean? It just. It comes down to all of those different things, man. And to me, it points to the players in the locker room. You know, what are you willing to sacrifice, you know, to make sure that we able to go out here and, and win these games?

[Co-host Chad]

If you were the gm, if you were Mike Brown, I want you to take. You're not Orlando Brown, the offensive tackle. You are the owner and the play caller, the one that can push the buttons on what we need to do to get over the hump, whether it's offensively, whether it's defensively. What pieces would you love to add to the team to help you guys out, whether it's on offense, whether on defense, whether it's special teams, just in general.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yeah, no, I mean, it's always tough answering these kind of questions because, you know, my brothers in there, man.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah, I, I understand. I put every player on the spot as if they weren't Said player. How can we improve our team?

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Well, I think the reality is in this, in this league, you look at the two teams in the super bowl, right? It's one of the trenches. And so to me, you know, I think it's going to start there. However. However that is, whoever that is, you know, having a playmaker, I believe at one of those four positions is going to be extremely important, especially in our division. And from there, man, I think, you know, that would take care of a lot of issues. You know, if you're asking me if I want a safety or over a D lineman, not at all. You know, I think. I think just taking care of the trenches, man, adding more weapons in that area, you can never have enough D linemen. I remember we played when I was in Kansas City, we played Philadelphia Eagles in the Super Bowl. I think they broke the single season. And I mean, they had a wave. Three waves. Two or three waves. I'm seeing BG Robert Quinn, Josh Sweat.

[Aaron Jones]

Yes.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

You know what I mean?

[Bo Jackson]

It's. It's.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

They got away. They got a wave of roughers, rushers. And so to me, that's what it takes. That's what it takes in this league.

[Co-host Chad]

To be able to win more depth. I like it. Yeah, I like it.

[Uncle (Host)]

You got. I mean, when you. I look at you, you play a premium position in left. In left tackle. How many more years you want to play Kobe?

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I'm play till I'm 40.

[Trey McBride]

10.

[Uncle (Host)]

How old are you now?

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I turned 30 in May.

[Bo Jackson]

Oh, you.

[Uncle (Host)]

That's another 10 years.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yeah, man.

[Uncle (Host)]

I mean, what year is this for you?

[Stugatz]

Eight.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I'm going into nine.

[Bo Jackson]

Nine?

[Co-host Chad]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle (Host)]

You might as well go again. 20. Then you might as well do, like. What's the guy? Slater.

[Bo Jackson]

Slater.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Jackie Slater?

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah.

[Trey McBride]

Jackie Slater.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I would love to. I would love. I mean, honestly, I want to play this game as long as I can. I really love. I love this game. And I grew up in it, as you know. You know what I mean? I grew up around Tony Jones and my dad and Jonathan Ogden and, you know, so many of these great players that Ray Lewis, man, just to be able to see, had that perspective at 8 years old when those men come over and they sit down and talk with my dad because he's the OG on the team, and be able to listen to those conversations and hear what they gave to the game. Man, it's so special. It's so special to me. And so, man, I love what I do. You know what I'm saying? And I love what the Game has done for me, man. I hate to say it, you know, I love my life outside of ball, too, but, man, I'm gonna give him my all. I'm gonna give him my all. And hopefully we look back when I'm 40 years old, we walk away, away. And I got a gold jacket.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hey, I like it. I like it.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle (Host)]

Orlando.

[Co-host Chad]

Good to see you, baby.

[Uncle (Host)]

Orlando Brown Jr. Thanks for joining us, bro. Of course.

[Bo Jackson]

Appreciate y'.

[Uncle (Host)]

All.

[Co-host Chad]

Yep, that's dope.

[Uncle (Host)]

All right, we got a very special guest joining us.

[Co-host Chad]

My 1990 legend, draft mate legend, Gator legend, cowboy legend.

[Bo Jackson]

You like stuff for free?

[Co-host Chad]

Well, I love gifts.

[Bo Jackson]

What's up, boy? I love.

[Uncle (Host)]

Kiss him. Long time no see.

[Bo Jackson]

What's up with the beard, baby?

[Uncle (Host)]

Hey, hey, 90, we. We got to do it. I mean, I still got. I still got a little black in mind, though. You. You ain't got.

[Co-host Chad]

You went all the way.

[Uncle (Host)]

I know. You ain't got no black.

[Co-host Chad]

And you're a silver fox, huh?

[Bo Jackson]

You're a silver fox. I am what I am.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah, I like you. But what we got?

[Bo Jackson]

What we got here?

[Co-host Chad]

Why, you know I love free kids.

[Uncle (Host)]

Let me introduce him. All time leading Russia, NFL history, a former MVP, Super Bowl MVP, first ballot hall of Famer. Here he is, 1990 classmate. We go way back. We ain't gonna mention black college. Black college. This is my dog, Evan Smith. So, as Ocho said. What. What do we got here? Well, what you got in your hand.

[Bo Jackson]

Right now is a tableau device that connects. It's an antenna that connects to your television network, and it streams live stuff throughout the entire house.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Far as every room that has a TV, and it can connect through it. You get over 125 channels. And not to mention, you can. You can.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You can watch, pause, record, live television.

[Bo Jackson]

Stuff, news, local news, live sports and popular shows. You can do all those kind of things just as if you would paying a subscription for something.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Instead of paying all these different. Different subscriptions.

[Aaron Jones]

Yes.

[Bo Jackson]

You can do a lot right there on tableau.

[Uncle (Host)]

The people ain't gonna come to my house, though. Already in me.

[Co-host Chad]

What people?

[Bo Jackson]

No, you can set it up on your own.

[Uncle (Host)]

No, I'm just talking about. Cause we get all this stuff that we ain't paying for.

[Bo Jackson]

What people? You talking about?

[Uncle (Host)]

The people that say, hey, you ain't.

[Bo Jackson]

Pay for them people. Who? Them people.

[Uncle (Host)]

The people that. When you. When you ain't paying for Ish. Ish nothing. They gonna come. Y'.

[Co-host Chad]

All.

[Uncle (Host)]

They gave that to you, okay?

[Bo Jackson]

These people gave it to You.

[Uncle (Host)]

I don't know who them people are. You. I'm say, Emmet gave me this. So if y' all got something from some problem, y' all gonna take it away.

[Bo Jackson]

Now, if you want to write, you know, you want to pay taxes on it, then that's on you. But that's a gift. That's under a thousand dollars. Under 10,000, so it should be good.

[Co-host Chad]

Oh, yeah, I'm gonna use this. I'm definitely gonna use this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But you pay.

[Co-host Chad]

You pay one subscription, right?

[Bo Jackson]

No, you just pay one time.

[Co-host Chad]

One time. You get all this stuff.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

You don't have. You don't have to pay the monthly stuff. You look, and this is McDonald's guy.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah, I know.

[Bo Jackson]

This is a guy that, you know, you wear fake stuff to wear.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

So he gets.

[Co-host Chad]

Not no more.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I said used to. I did say used to.

[Bo Jackson]

I did say used to. Yes, sir.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle (Host)]

What's been good? What's going on?

[Bo Jackson]

Not much, man.

[Trey McBride]

Everything's good.

[Bo Jackson]

I can't complain.

[Uncle (Host)]

Still in Dallas.

[Bo Jackson]

Still in Dallas, man. Yep, still doing that. Kids still growing up. My son EJ is getting prepared to. For his pro day at A and M. Dope. And so giving him sending love his way and wanting to see if he can fulfill his dreams as well. So you know how that is.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah, I got an important question, too.

[Uncle (Host)]

Go ahead.

[Co-host Chad]

I got a very important question, because we're dealing with someone here, the greatest star, the greatest player. The way that star on his helmet. So I've always had a dialogue with Cowboys fans. They've gotten on me.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

They got on you for what?

[Co-host Chad]

Because I'm thinking about George Pickens and how valuable he is and what he was able to show in the small sample size and how great he can be in the right situation. It's time for him to get paid. I would like to know your thoughts and me my thoughts before you go is him going to a team where he can maximize his true value.

[Aaron Jones]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

What do you think King is getting paid? I would say George Pickens is at the right place. He is in the right place. He has a place where he can flourish. He has a place right alongside CD Lamb.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes.

[Bo Jackson]

Because I think he. You have to have a Batman and a Robin together. Irvin had Harper Rice had John. John Taylor.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes. And.

[Bo Jackson]

And even when you go back to Swan and Star wars and Swan and Stalwart. Yes, yes. So you have to have that kind of scenario. And I think what you saw was a glimpse of how good he can really become in A system that supports that type of environment.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

Yes.

[Bo Jackson]

And so my hope is that Jerry and George get. Get this contractual stuff behind them so we don't have to be dealing with all these questions during this time of season. The Dallas Cowboys deserve, and the fans deserve, a very quiet, boring off season. That.

[Co-host Chad]

When does that ever happen?

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's why they deserve one.

[Uncle (Host)]

They deserve one.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah. I like it. I like it. And I love the examples of the duos that you just said, but when I think about George Pickens and CD Lamb, those are two number ones. So based on what George Pickens has done and what George Pickens has showed you, whatever contract, the one that he deserved, it has to overlap that of CD Lambs.

[Uncle (Host)]

Maybe.

[Bo Jackson]

Maybe not. First and foremost.

[Co-host Chad]

So you want to pay.

[Bo Jackson]

First of all, we don't know if he is the number one. A number one don't quit. A number one goes through and don't pout when he doesn't get the ball. Number one. Understand that defenses could be doubling up on one, and you don't get not a throw. A number one says, okay, I'm gonna draw double coverage. You better tear that one on one up by yourself.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes, sir.

[Bo Jackson]

A number one says, hey, how can we run the ball? I mean, we're trying to throw the ball against double coverage over here, and I got guys all over me.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes, sir.

[Bo Jackson]

And I gotta defend. I'm playing the defensive back. You didn't hire me to play db. So a number one was says, run the daggone ball when it's six in the box or seven in the box.

[Uncle (Host)]

What did Michael tell you in cover two? What did he tell you? But Michael says, throw it to me anyway.

[Bo Jackson]

I'm gonna go get it.

[Uncle (Host)]

Michael went and got it, but Mike.

[Bo Jackson]

Went and got it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right?

[Uncle (Host)]

And so cover two, you got to run them up out of it.

[Bo Jackson]

But Mike ran and got it, though. Yeah, Mike. Mike was never afraid of going in there against two guys or three guys. Yeah, Mike. Mike tell you right now, you throw that slant, my folks back in Miami gonna eat. Yeah. Cause I'm gonna catch that.

[Uncle (Host)]

I may get knocked out, right?

[Bo Jackson]

But I'm gonna catch that slam.

[Uncle (Host)]

I'm on the ground like this cat.

[Bo Jackson]

And they're gonna be moving the chains. And so that's the mentality that George need to do. Develop. You said a key word. He has to get in that system that affords an opportunity to showcase.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He's the number one.

[Bo Jackson]

Harper thought he was the number one until he went to Tampa. A system also give you the ability.

[Uncle (Host)]

To Shine at your best.

[Bo Jackson]

The right system, the wrong system will hold you back.

[Co-host Chad]

But this is the funny thing about it is, is George Pickens has a skill set. Meaning knowing receivers is he has a skill set to go anywhere and be able to show what he can.

[Uncle (Host)]

I doubt that.

[Co-host Chad]

I'm.

[Bo Jackson]

I doubt.

[Co-host Chad]

I'm telling you because we saw him do it, and we saw him do it in Pittsburgh in sp, and they didn't even have a quarterback in.

[Bo Jackson]

You put George System in. In Oakland.

[Co-host Chad]

You put George Pickens in Oakland. Put him in with Mendoza coming.

[Bo Jackson]

No, no, no.

[Uncle (Host)]

Vegas.

[Bo Jackson]

No, you put them in. Put them in Vegas.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Right now.

[Co-host Chad]

Oh, right now.

[Bo Jackson]

Right now.

[Co-host Chad]

Get in the ball. Put it in his hands. No, put him in position to make no play.

[Uncle (Host)]

You gotta have somebody that can get in the ball.

[Bo Jackson]

Somebody give him the ball. So all I'm saying is the way he flourishes, that is when he got somebody that can get in the ball. And there's a concerted effort. Whether you double him or double cd, one of them gonna be one on one.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

And I better destroy somebody that's one on one. If I'm not destroying somebody one on one, that means the tight end is free too. He's one on one.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right.

[Bo Jackson]

And so I'm gonna run them out of that and they're gonna have to go back to cover two.

[Aaron Jones]

Yep.

[Uncle (Host)]

I'm gonna get mine right.

[Co-host Chad]

But see, nobody understanding no 8.

[Bo Jackson]

That's the selfish part about football. I knew if it was eight in the box, I'm like, dang, dang, I can't get a hundred. But I tell you what, that eighth man gonna get it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes.

[Uncle (Host)]

He gonna feel it.

[Bo Jackson]

Four quarter, he ain't gonna want to stick his head in there.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah, that's what has to happen.

[Bo Jackson]

And I knew going into certain games, whether it was against Philly, when they, Buddy Ryan had that eight man, that bear defense, defense, I'm like, man, I'd be lucky to get 55 yards today.

[Uncle (Host)]

And so. But I knew that.

[Bo Jackson]

But I. I'm looking at her.

[Uncle (Host)]

Better eat.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah, you better eat. Cuz when it's my time to eat, I'm going to eat.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes, sir.

[Bo Jackson]

So that's the ying and the yang of the game, cuz. The, the, the system and the defense.

[Uncle (Host)]

Also dictates what's happening.

[Bo Jackson]

Cuz they can bracket you without even covering you. Yeah. And close down the throwing lanes and throwing gaps. And guess who got thrown, Pull the trigger. The quarterback. And if he's not comfortable with those small windows, he ain't throwing it.

[Uncle (Host)]

Your way?

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah. Ain't got nothing to do with the. With the system.

[Uncle (Host)]

We had a conversation yesterday. Oo and I was having a conversation.

[Bo Jackson]

Hopefully. That answer your question?

[Co-host Chad]

It do. It's. It's a little selfish on your part. A little bit. You know, it's a little selfish on the Cowboys fans part as well, because I'm looking. I'm looking at something else, Chad.

[Bo Jackson]

No, you're looking at the right thing.

[Uncle (Host)]

Remember we had the conversation yesterday and I told CD Excuse me. I told Chase, and Chase was trying to tell me he X, Y and Z. I say, well, a number one. I said, you never let. How much you get in the ball or the situation dictate how hard you play. No, you play hard regardless of circumstances. Whether I catch 10 balls or I catch one, I'm going to play hard. We've seen him drift. Forget about anything that may or may not have happened in Pittsburgh. Late for this, late for that, or whatever the case may be. But we've seen it firsthand that when he's not getting the ball, it became a national story because the head coach said, I had a conversation with George, and we can't let. What happened at Thanksgiving against the Lions. We can't let that happen again.

[Co-host Chad]

Right.

[Uncle (Host)]

So that's all I've. All I've ever seen.

[Bo Jackson]

Here's what I'm gonna say.

[Uncle (Host)]

What brand you got? What brand do you have?

[Bo Jackson]

What brand do you have? What kind of football player were you? What kind of football player were you? That's it.

[Uncle (Host)]

That's your brand.

[Bo Jackson]

What kind of football player am I? I don't have to talk about it. It goes in the room before I get there. And at the end of the day.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes, sir.

[Bo Jackson]

George has to ask himself, what do I want to send on the football field before I get there? I want people to be in the locker room or in the. In the. In their study room. And I want to the. The offensive coordinate come up. Guys, we got to stop the run this week. This 22 back here that they got. We can't let him get going.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes, sir.

[Bo Jackson]

Because if we let him get going, 88 gonna kill us. Then Nova, check. Gonna get going. So we got to figure out a.

[Uncle (Host)]

Way how we gonna do this. They.

[Bo Jackson]

I want them to have a damn nightmare thinking about how they gonna stop us. Because at the end of the day, you can't hold everything back. And when you hold one back, I got. Now I understand why I get. Thank you for the respect.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes, sir.

[Bo Jackson]

And all I'm saying, George has to develop that kind of. It's not all about me. Yes. And that's the problem with a lot of kids today. They think everything is about them. And. And so I had what I learned from Jimmy one day. I'm a rookie. We having our two minute drill on Thursday night. You have two minute drill, and Jimmy's in charge of spotting the ball. He's the ref. Yeah. And so it's third, and by four, I get five yards, do my little hookup, catch the ball. First down. I see first down. Jim say, no first down, no first down. Move his back three yards. So I was like, no, I got a first down, no first down. He said, no first down. Get in the huddle. Get in the huddle. I said, but, coach, I got the first night. Get in the huddle. Get your butt in the huddle. So I go in the huddle, then we breaking the huddle. Coming out, he said, timeout. Called timeout. Troy walking over to the sideline. I go up to him. I said, coach, I got the first thing. Get your butt in the huddle. Embarrassed me in front of all my teammates. I was mad, so I didn't talk to him after practice. I walked by him. Don't say nothing.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

I'm going to the meeting room back there. Walk past and don't say nothing. Come back out of the me room. Going to the training room. Walk past. Don't say that. Getting ready to leave the training room. Walk past him. He said, oh, oh, you're not gonna speak? I said, coach, why you get on me like that? Why you embarrass me in front of my teammates? Say, e. I want you to know something. That wasn't for you. That was for everybody on the team to know that if I can get on my best players.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

And if you're not one of the top players.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Then you don't stand a chance. But I was mad because I had to call a timeout. I was mad at the OC for not getting to play in time enough. Didn't have nothing to do with you. But I honest. And I understood that. I said, wow, what a lesson to learn. We thought and we think things are about us. George is not all about you. CD Is not all about you. Tight end is not all about. About him. Dak. It's not all about you. Five guys up front that protect all of y' all in. In order for you to get the ball.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes.

[Bo Jackson]

Make it about them. Yeah. Because that's how you get the running game going. That's how you get the Pass game going. If Dak is on his back, he.

[Uncle (Host)]

Can'T throw a damn pass.

[Co-host Chad]

Not at all. Not at all.

[Bo Jackson]

So it's just that simple to me.

[Uncle (Host)]

Hall of famer, number 22 for the Dallas Cowboys, Em Smith. Appreciate. Hopefully that educated you a little.

[Stephen A. Smith]

A little bit.

[Bo Jackson]

Well, you get to keep.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay, I keep.

[Co-host Chad]

Oh, boy, don't nobody give me nothing.

[Bo Jackson]

I gave you something.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Appreciate.

[Co-host Chad]

I'm just saying, I rarely get gifts.

[Bo Jackson]

But I appreciate that you accept gifts.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hey, Emmy gave me a gift.

[Bo Jackson]

Huh?

[Co-host Chad]

What are we talking about?

[Uncle (Host)]

Appreciate you, dog, but no but that's the real ass. Yeah.

[Co-host Chad]

Hey, it's more to be talked about. It's more to be talked about.

[Bo Jackson]

Okay.

[Aaron Jones]

What?

[Bo Jackson]

Whatever.

[Co-host Chad]

I mean, we'll talk.

[Aaron Jones]

We'll talk.

[Co-host Chad]

We'll talk. We talk.

[Bo Jackson]

Eric was the number one. It.

[Co-host Chad]

Am I going to get. Is he going to get his true value?

[Bo Jackson]

It's true. Whoever get their true value, quarterbacks do.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Don't even deserve it.

[Uncle (Host)]

True.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah, I said it. I said it.

[Uncle (Host)]

Good to see you know I ain't lying neither.

[Bo Jackson]

And you know, you trying to tell me. You trying to tell me me some paid that kind of money deserve it, right?

[Uncle (Host)]

Hell, I need back pain compared to.

[Bo Jackson]

Some of these mother brothers.

[Uncle (Host)]

Good to see you though.

[Bo Jackson]

Oh, yeah. I get a photo with these rose. Y got my man Aaron coming in here. What's up? Hey, man, great seeing you too. Hey, y' all take care of him now.

[Uncle (Host)]

Appreciate you, bro.

[Aaron Jones]

Yes, sir.

[Co-host Chad]

You already know, bro.

[Bo Jackson]

You good?

[Aaron Jones]

Yes, sir.

[Bo Jackson]

Joining us now, he played with the.

[Uncle (Host)]

Green bay Packers from 2017 to 2023. Now he's a Minnesota Vikings 2024. Moving forward Catadine this year. Perry is Aaron Jones. AJ what's going on, bro?

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Uncle (Host)]

It's one of my favorites.

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[Aaron Jones]

So yes, sir.

[Uncle (Host)]

Ah, man. Let's start with the elephant in the room. It's got to be painful. The guy that y' all had at quarterback last year is here. How different do you believe yourself season would have been had that guy still been in your locker room?

[Aaron Jones]

I feel like we, we last year, we, we only lost to two teams. Really lost two games. We lost to two games, two to the Rams and then two the Lions. So I felt like we had everything we needed. But you know, we're not, we're not GMs or nothing. That's outside of us. Yes, but definitely, you know, when, when you guys, when you got a group of guys behind a quarterback and he wants to stay somewhere, I think you should try to make it work.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right?

[Uncle (Host)]

When I look at you, look at your general manager, Quasi. Adolfo Mensah ended up losing his job. Obviously, you know, they said, well, he had this many draft picks and only two Pro bowl players were selected. And Sam Darnold ends up going to on a very friendly contract. There's no question in my mind that the Minnesota could have matched that contract because it seemed like it was like 30 something million dollars and a couple of incentives. You win your division and you win a playoff game, you get to the Super Bowl. Man, who wouldn't put those kind of incentives in there? I mean, I mean, I got to pay a million dollars if he gets to the Super Bowl. I would gladly Play a million dollars to get a. To get a guy, get me to the Super Bowl.

[Aaron Jones]

I pay him too. I pay. He can have my check in his super bowl check.

[Uncle (Host)]

How do you feel? I mean, this year you got nicked a little bit. It's been a while. I mean, normally you. You. You're very durable. You catch the ball up, you'll do a threat. You can catch it, you can run it. But you kind of got Nick this year. How disappointing and frustrating was your season this year compared to years past?

[Aaron Jones]

It was a little frustrating. I wouldn't say disappointing because I got. I got to step up as a leader, find different ways to make an impact. But it was because I feel like when I'm. When I'm healthy and when I'm out there can't be f. With at all.

[Co-host Chad]

At all.

[Aaron Jones]

So it's a. It's a point of just staying healthy. And I never felt like after I got week. Week two, I pulled my hamstring.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Aaron Jones]

Really didn't get back healthy till I came back, but really wasn't feeling myself to Detroit. The first time we played Detroit, I came out in the first half at like 78 yards and then start the third quarter. AC joint. Mr. Missed the rest of that and just battling. So just get back to it. Really growing this offseason. Take care of myself and had a best one yet. So show everybody I still got and I'm still him. And yeah, I'm. I'm the best running back.

[Co-host Chad]

Outside of having to prove yourself. Not even prove yourself, but prove all the doubters wrong in your team. You look at the landscape of your team, what do you think you guys need to do differently to be able to be in the conversation and be here where you're not here talking with us, but you're here doing radio Row media in a Super bowl next year. What do you think needs to happen?

[Aaron Jones]

I feel like it comes down to execution and minimizing those. Minimizing the mistakes. Yes.

[Co-host Chad]

You.

[Aaron Jones]

You got to play mistake free football or. Or at least it's. You know, nothing's gonna be perfect. But don't turn over the ball.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right.

[Aaron Jones]

You. Anytime you don't turn over ball, you give yourself a chance to win. But just all 11. Playing with a. With a mean streak across the board. Like what? Because I feel like when we would lock in and that we move the ball, but if not if nobody was saying nothing, it wasn't happening.

[Trey McBride]

So.

[Bo Jackson]

Right.

[Aaron Jones]

Just staying on top of everybody when we get in the huddle and being that being an enforcer of confidence. Like, hey, is there any place y' all rather be? Y' all dreamed of being here right now, so, like, let's go do this. I don't care who's standing in front of you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Aaron Jones]

And it was a. Because that's how I think when I. When I step on the field. Like, I came in with a Rod devonte Adams, but in my head, I was the best player on the field.

[Bo Jackson]

Maybe.

[Uncle (Host)]

What was I really?

[Aaron Jones]

Maybe not. But you got to be that.

[Co-host Chad]

You gotta have that mentality.

[Aaron Jones]

100.

[Uncle (Host)]

As you mentioned, a Rod, he's contemplating retirement. He's about to be 42 years of age. What advice would you offer Aaron? You. Like I said, you. You. You had some great years with Aaron. You won some MVP. You. You was there when he won MVPs, when he was at his absolute apex.

[Bo Jackson]

Yes.

[Uncle (Host)]

If you could offer some insight. You know, he says, I want to decompress. I want to take some time away from this before I make my decision. It seemed like he was having fun. The most fun he's had in a very long time in Pittsburgh, as opposed to previous two seasons in New York. Anything you want to share?

[Aaron Jones]

That's exactly what I was about to hit on. I think he got a lot of ball left. Like, you see him out there, he's look like he having fun. His. His celebrations.

[Uncle (Host)]

The.

[Aaron Jones]

The love for the game is.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah.

[Aaron Jones]

Back in his heart. And you can. You can see it. And. And he's a competitor. I think he. I think they asked me. I think he comes back. I think he. I think he got a lot left. Like, you see at the end of the. One of the games, he threw a Hail Mary, just flicked his wrist. 70.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah.

[Aaron Jones]

You can't just come out and coach that.

[Co-host Chad]

Like, if he comes back, would it be there or would it be in Minnesota?

[Aaron Jones]

I like him in Minnesota.

[Uncle (Host)]

I mean, that's my dog.

[Co-host Chad]

I'm just.

[Bo Jackson]

I'm just.

[Co-host Chad]

I'm just throwing that.

[Aaron Jones]

Just what. What he brings to a locker room like that. Leadership.

[Co-host Chad]

That.

[Bo Jackson]

It's a standard.

[Aaron Jones]

Like, if you. If you ain't in your playbook.

[Bo Jackson]

Oh, you ain't.

[Aaron Jones]

You ain't seeing the field.

[Uncle (Host)]

Like, he going.

[Aaron Jones]

He going to test you. He going throw some signals out there, and he gonna see if you really care about this.

[Co-host Chad]

Right.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right.

[Aaron Jones]

And as a player, like, I love that because I'm in my books. I'm making an effort. Like, I came from utep, from nothing. Like.

[Co-host Chad]

Right.

[Aaron Jones]

So I had to. I had to earn that. And when you do it the right way and it's noticed. It's refreshing.

[Co-host Chad]

And most definitely, when I think about it, too, just envision it. Hypothetically speaking. You know, quarterbacks normally flourish, especially like Aaron Rodgers, who's now on the older side. So you put him in a situation where he doesn't have to elevate those around him, but the team around him can elevate.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Elevate him.

[Co-host Chad]

And you know what, you know what.

[Bo Jackson]

Team can do that?

[Uncle (Host)]

Jenna, we got. Hawkinson's gonna be back. Hey, they got Naylor.

[Co-host Chad]

It makes sense to me.

[Uncle (Host)]

You running the ball in the backfield.

[Aaron Jones]

Jordan Mason still there.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah.

[Uncle (Host)]

You got a situation where you're going into your 10 season, normally 10 years a running back. That's kind of. That's. That's normally that, that. That kind of it. But you still playing at an elite level. What do you. What would you attribute that to?

[Aaron Jones]

Just staying on top of. Even though I was banged up a little bit this year, just staying on top of my body as much as I can, trying to find different things and different ways to stay in front of it. I'm back in the. After I leave the facility, I'm back in the facility every day for about two hours. I go home, two hours, hang out, grab my son. He come to the facility with me. He in the hot tub, he in the coach, he in the sauna. He doing all of that. So just finding ways to stay ahead of the game and. And then just really busting my butt in the off season. Just kind of. I took it from Jerry Rice. I was watching something he. He was saying he don't take much time off.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Like, he.

[Aaron Jones]

From running. Like, he keeps his body going active.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah.

[Aaron Jones]

So it never. All right. I'm old now. I gotta get this body back going. So just kind of took that from him. And then I think it's mentality didn't want to. I want to play this game for. Yeah. As long as I can until they tell me I can't. So it's funny because we had like, Harrison Smith, C.J. ham retire this year. And I'm looking at them, I'm like, yeah, I don't. This is not going. This is not going to be me.

[Co-host Chad]

I don't.

[Aaron Jones]

Like, I'm going to have to go through the.

[Uncle (Host)]

I'm going to have to go down the list. You can't play no more. True.

[Aaron Jones]

This team don't want me call.

[Uncle (Host)]

Okay.

[Aaron Jones]

Call the next team.

[Co-host Chad]

Okay.

[Aaron Jones]

And that's how I feel like this is going to end for me.

[Co-host Chad]

But I like It. I like it.

[Uncle (Host)]

You got a quarterback you selected very high, J.J. mcCarthy, but he's kind of been nicked. Missed his entire rookie year and was in and out of the lineup this year. What. What is. What do you think he needs to do in order to stay healthy on the field and then prove. Because right now he's up against the ghost of Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold was there, as you mentioned. They won. Y' all won four. Y' all was 14 and three. The years of Sam Darnold was play. And now Sam goes to another team and he's in the Super Bowl. So unfortunately for him, he's up against the ghost of Sam Darnold.

[Aaron Jones]

I think he just got to come in and continue to continue to grow, continue to believe in himself. And I always tell him, you're here for a reason.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yep.

[Aaron Jones]

We need you. And you. You made it this far by what.

[Bo Jackson]

You got up here.

[Aaron Jones]

And you're. You're God given a billion, the work that you put in. So don't let that change you. Don't let no outside noise change you or how you think of yourself. Because confidence is a big thing when.

[Co-host Chad]

You step on that big confidence is everything.

[Aaron Jones]

Just trying to steal that into him, but just getting back to the fundamentals, sitting down, taking a deep breath, and I feel like trading camp will be huge for him, all those reps and stuff like that. And I say with a young quarterback, it takes time. Like you look. Look at Sam. They was ready to write him off at one point. Yeah, look at Jordan Love. He had time to come in and sit down and develop Bryce Young this year. He had time to sit down and good, but not. He didn't even sit down. He played through that development, though, and they gave him.

[Co-host Chad]

He got bench and came back. Still look good.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah. So I got you. It takes time for quarterbacks. I think we're so used to those cornerstone quarterbacks that we've had for a while, and I think it's changing over and it takes time for them.

[Uncle (Host)]

But people just look at Peyton and they look at Peyton Manning. Peyton was terrible at rookie. I was in the league. I was. I was in the league. And Tom didn't even start his rookie year, so we don't know what Tom could or couldn't have been. And then for the first couple of years, they were a run defensive football team before the time. Yeah, we see the finish problem at Tom, but Tom didn't start off like that because if he started off like that, he would have been a six round draft pick, he'd have been a first round draft pick. With that being said, you do I and I and you hear all the quarterbacks talk about, you hear Payton, you hear Tom, you hear Drew, you hear some of these guys, it's like they're not developing quarterbacks anymore because everybody wants this thing instantaneous. They're not willing to. They were not willing to let these guys grow. Bro, you ain't want us a playoff game yet, Bro, I'm a rookie.

[Aaron Jones]

100%.

[Uncle (Host)]

Like.

[Aaron Jones]

And it seemed like it all fought on them too. Yes, and it's not always them. There's things around them they gotta be working too. We gotta make their job easier, like you said.

[Uncle (Host)]

Because the thing is now, you see, the cap went up to like between 301 and 305 million. So in the next five years, that means the cap's going to be damn near $400 million keep coming in. So with that being said, when you got to play within the next 10 years, you know there's going to be a quarterback making 100 million a year.

[Aaron Jones]

Oh, 100%.

[Uncle (Host)]

He going to be making 100 million.

[Aaron Jones]

Just let us running backs get a little soft. Just let us running backs get a little soft.

[Uncle (Host)]

And so the bank is, is that, hey, we gonna pay somebody $100 million a year. I got to know for certain he can play.

[Co-host Chad]

He's the one.

[Aaron Jones]

He got to be the1.100 million. He got to be able to take.

[Bo Jackson]

Us to the game for sure.

[Aaron Jones]

100 million, that's a, that's a big investment.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah. Aaron Jones, thanks for joining us, bro.

[Aaron Jones]

I appreciate y' all love Legends.

[Co-host Chad]

I'm going see you in a minute, sir.

[Aaron Jones]

You already know. I got something for y' all too.

[Uncle (Host)]

What you got? We got here.

[Aaron Jones]

So I got my clothing brand. It's a, it's a lifestyle brand.

[Uncle (Host)]

I got you.

[Aaron Jones]

I'm having a matter of fact, I'm having a Super bowl showtime bowl tomorrow.

[Bo Jackson]

Okay.

[Aaron Jones]

10:15, folks. And it's a day party. 4:30 to 4:38 30. It's a popup time. Super bowl party. We got g herbo pulling up.

[Co-host Chad]

Okay.

[Aaron Jones]

A little quick set and open bar to or d'. Oeuvres and I'll sign that for y'.

[Bo Jackson]

All.

[Co-host Chad]

I like that.

[Bo Jackson]

Please, please.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah, but we. I done got two gifts today, so.

[Aaron Jones]

I got to come take care of the family.

[Uncle (Host)]

Appreciate you, bro.

[Bo Jackson]

Appreciate y'. All.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah, Chat, I know y' all jealous. I got a.

[Uncle (Host)]

Wish, y'.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All.

[Aaron Jones]

I'm. I'm gonna have some stuff for y' all we got this a jacket right here, sister.

[Bo Jackson]

She got a like a leather.

[Aaron Jones]

Chelsea.

[Bo Jackson]

Show them the jacket. You got the jacket on Jacket.

[Uncle (Host)]

Okay.

[Co-host Chad]

I need. That's my size, too.

[Aaron Jones]

Duffels.

[Co-host Chad]

That's a large. Yeah, let me see that. Let me see that.

[Bo Jackson]

Have me that.

[Aaron Jones]

A little bit of everything.

[Uncle (Host)]

Thank you.

[Bo Jackson]

Oh, yeah. Hey, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Uncle (Host)]

How you gonna take the girl the jacket off the lady back, man.

[Stugatz]

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[Co-host Chad]

What side is there?

[Bo Jackson]

What?

[Aaron Jones]

That's a large.

[Co-host Chad]

That is me here.

[Aaron Jones]

That's yo.

[Co-host Chad]

Appreciate that. Hey, Chad. How it look, Chat?

[Bo Jackson]

That's not mine.

[Uncle (Host)]

This me. This me. This me.

[Bo Jackson]

That's real. That's for real.

[Co-host Chad]

I like this boy.

[Bo Jackson]

I got you.

[Co-host Chad]

All right.

[Aaron Jones]

Bet you here all week.

[Co-host Chad]

Nice.

[Bo Jackson]

You at the crib.

[Co-host Chad]

Anyway, you in mind.

[Uncle (Host)]

Oh, yeah. We good? I'm not here. I'm leaving tomorrow. All right. We got the next guest coming in. He's the head. All right.

[Co-host Chad]

Bet we talk.

[Uncle (Host)]

Head of threads.

[Conor Hayes]

All right, let's get in here.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yes.

[Co-host Chad]

What up, twin?

[Uncle (Host)]

How are you?

[Co-host Chad]

Good.

[Uncle (Host)]

How are you? Connor is a huge, huge Pats fan, and you're a huge Bad Bunny fan, so damn, you got to try. You got the. The. The. The double the sweepstake.

[Conor Hayes]

It's all coming up. Connor, what everyone's been saying, actually, are you surprised?

[Uncle (Host)]

Are you surprised? Surprise. At the beginning of the year, a new head coach. Your quarterback's only in the second year. Are you surprised that you guys were this good, this soon?

[Conor Hayes]

I was expecting them to make the playoffs this year, but not make the Super Bowl. I actually think when they played the Saints, it was like week four or five. There was a couple of plays in that game, like touch pass to booty down the left side of the field, where I was like, what's happening here? Like, is this a real thing? And I. That's when I started getting my Drake May MVP futures in place, you know. But definitely didn't think this was a Super Bowl.

[Uncle (Host)]

I didn't think you guys were a playoff team. Consider you did lose to Las Vegas Raiders the first game of the season.

[Conor Hayes]

We don't talk about that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No funny thing about it.

[Uncle (Host)]

Can we cut that?

[Co-host Chad]

Not not only did they lose to the Raiders at the beginning of the season, I'm thinking about the Patriots and how they look the previous season going 4 and 13. You know, having a rookie quarterback and come going into a second year, they're growing pains where you lose 12 and.

[Uncle (Host)]

A new head coach coming most teams.

[Co-host Chad]

In purgatory from that position for a very long time before you find the next answer. And Drake May now seems to be that answer. Very, very early for the Patriots. And I was shocked. I'm excited for them, you know, that they're in this position. So I'd assume if you are a gambling man, you are going for the Patriots to win this game.

[Conor Hayes]

I think. I think they're going to win the game.

[Co-host Chad]

You don't sound too confident, Connor.

[Uncle (Host)]

No.

[Conor Hayes]

Well, I mean, the whole world, everyone on Threads is saying that the Seahawks.

[Co-host Chad]

Are going to win the game.

[Conor Hayes]

It's very curious to me that the, the Seahawks were not favored against the Niners in Week 18 when the Niners were missing half their team. And all of a sudden they win two games and all they're the greatest team of all time. I don't know. So the Patriots, I think they're. They what? In the. Since that Week 1 loss in the. Against the Raiders, they're 17 and 2. That's pretty impressive.

[Uncle (Host)]

That's very crazy. That's very impressive.

[Bo Jackson]

It.

[Conor Hayes]

Those schedule mongers out there, I don't know, they might be sad on Sunday night.

[Uncle (Host)]

Summarize the chat on NFL Threads. What's the vibe in the community? What. What's some of the hot takes?

[Conor Hayes]

It's been getting a lot bigger. So if you think about like a year ago, I mean, I wasn't sitting here with you guys talking about the NFL, which is awesome. This has been like, really, really cool. Hopefully you guys have enjoyed being here. Red zone.

[Co-host Chad]

Absolutely.

[Conor Hayes]

But yeah, I mean, the, the conversation's been growing. We've been getting a lot more voices into the app that are really important in the sport. Like Shannon, you've been really active on there. K. Adams, Chad, all, all the sort of top voices in the sport. That's phase one, right? You get the people that are authoritative and folks want to hear from, and then the fans just kind of take that and go with it. And that's what we're starting to see.

[Uncle (Host)]

So I'm gonna get you out of here on this one. Why is Threads. Why is it so popular for you guys to lean into the NFL?

[Conor Hayes]

It's the biggest export in the U.S. i mean, we want to be an app that represents culture and what people are talking about and what's going on in the world. The US Is the biggest exporter of culture that's ever existed. So if you go to the biggest sport in the US and you try to be important for that, I think it creates a meaningful path for you to be a leading app in the space. So that's why we care about it. It's been really good. It's great to be here at the super bowl, and I really appreciate you guys being here as well.

[Uncle (Host)]

Appreciate you guys. Connor, Conor Hayes, head of three.

[Conor Hayes]

Thank you, guys.

[Co-host Chad]

Connor.

[Uncle (Host)]

Oo, talking to his dog. Appreciate you, man.

[Co-host Chad]

Chat, chat. Say what's up.

[Uncle (Host)]

Hey, french fry.

[Co-host Chad]

Hey, french fry. Hey, Chad. You see french fryer?

[Uncle (Host)]

Daddy, Daddy, who we got?

[Co-host Chad]

Daddy's working, baby.

[Uncle (Host)]

Okay.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah.

[Co-host Chad]

I'm gonna call you soon as daddy finished working, okay?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay.

[Co-host Chad]

I'll send you some money. I'll send you some money. Okay.

[Bo Jackson]

Welcome, baby.

[Uncle (Host)]

Which one would it be if I could be gifted a ticket to any event in the world? Wimbledon.

[Co-host Chad]

Wimbledon.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yep.

[Co-host Chad]

The world cup final. The world cup final. If I could be gifted a ticket to any event in the world would be the world cup final. Nothing better than that. The Wimbledon is awesome, but the world cup final.

[Uncle (Host)]

No, I want to go. I want to go. I've been to super bowl. I've been to NBA finals. I've been to world series.

[Co-host Chad]

But you haven't been to the world cup final.

[Uncle (Host)]

I haven't been to the world cup final. I'm not saying that's really high up on my priority list, but it's for me.

[Co-host Chad]

Wimbledon, if you had the opportunity to experience, let's say, just a game in general. We going to a game.

[Uncle (Host)]

I want to go to Wimbledon. I want to be on center court. I mean, I've seen Serena play.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes.

[Uncle (Host)]

I mean, it would have been great to see. To be at center court and see Roger Federer or Nadal or Djokovic, unfortunately, there. But I'll take Alcaraz and center if I can see those guys play at center court of Wimbledon. But that would be it. That would be it for me. Ocho says the world cup final.

[Bo Jackson]

Absolutely.

[Uncle (Host)]

I want the ticket to. I want ticket to Wimbledon. Center court.

[Co-host Chad]

I think, Chad, I can get. I can get his answer to change if I can get him into a game if I can get him into a game to see the atmosphere and experience the atmosphere of just a regular game. No, just a regular game. I guarantee you his answer on wanting a Wimbledon ticket. Final changes.

[Uncle (Host)]

Nah, because, you know, I'm gonna be able to see. I'm gonna see Federer. I'll see Nadal. I'll see some of the past greats. Sampers.

[Co-host Chad]

I mean, you can see some of the past greats in soccer as well.

[Uncle (Host)]

They're not gonna be there like that.

[Co-host Chad]

I can make sure you meet them.

[Uncle (Host)]

No, no. You're not changing my mind.

[Co-host Chad]

I can change your mind. I just got to get you in the atmosphere first.

[Uncle (Host)]

There's another. Read that. What did that say?

[Co-host Chad]

Ocho, with all the VI parties. Parties. Have you broken down expensive food yet or are you.

[Uncle (Host)]

All I know is I had the hardest party in town last night.

[Co-host Chad]

You know what? VIP parties. I'm really not a VIP person if you understand how I conduct myself. Flying spirit. I don't do any of the VIP stuff. I don't live that lifestyle. I really never have. So I've had McDonald's. I went to nations yesterday. I had their sliders. The sliders at nations was awesome. Today I'm gonna venture out in the city again and see what else they have. I'm gonna see if I can find soul food over in. In the Bay Area. And that's pretty much it.

[Bo Jackson]

Ah, what's up, bro?

[Uncle (Host)]

There you tight in 20, 25, first team off road, 126 catches, which is NFL record for a tight end. 1239 receiving yards, 11 touchdown. He just broke the record single season record for a tight end. Trey McBride. Trey, how you doing, bro?

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, man, Doing good, man. Appreciate y', all, man. This will be dope.

[Uncle (Host)]

Let's go and get it back. Mad, you here for the mad, right?

[Trey McBride]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle (Host)]

So talk to us about it.

[Trey McBride]

Just. Just, you know, obviously great game, Madden, you know, obviously love playing, man. And what do I got to do to get one more point, man?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm a 98, man.

[Bo Jackson]

You.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You.

[Co-host Chad]

You're probably going to be a 9.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

I'm gonna sit.

[Co-host Chad]

I'm gonna sit together with my team. We're gonna discuss. Because obviously you should be a 99, which you were able to do this season. So tremendous.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, we're gonna have to sit down and talk about that. Have a. Have a deep conversation about that.

[Uncle (Host)]

Matter of fact, go. You want them gold shoes?

[Trey McBride]

I need that chain.

[Co-host Chad]

Conversation isn't even deep. It's more so common sense.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah. I got you the numbers talking, man.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle (Host)]

You had an unbelievable season. Obviously you had an individual great season. Not the team success that you had hoped for. Your head coach got relieved of his duty. What do you think you guys need to do? You hired Mike LaFleur. Yeah. Who was an offensive coordinator at the. At the Rams. What do you think you guys. What do you guys need to do in order for you to make a playoff run, to get into the playoffs and. And see some of this individual success that you're enjoying? Let people see you on the big stage in a playoff game?

[Trey McBride]

I think, you know, we're right there, man.

[Uncle (Host)]

We're Close.

[Trey McBride]

We're. We're in every single game. We're in the fourth quarter. We're, you know, one play here, one play there, and I think that's what we need, man. We just need that one play to get us over the edge, man. We're right there. We just got to finish games and last year we just weren't finishing games good enough. And I think we're going to just finish games this year and we're going to be right there in that conversation.

[Co-host Chad]

How's the body holding up after having a season like that, having that amount of catches, going through that kind of punishment. How's the body holding up so far?

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, I feel great, man. Feel really good, man. I wish I was still playing, you know, I feel good enough to keep playing, so just got to keep going. I'm young, man, just feeling great. So just got to build on it next year.

[Uncle (Host)]

Are you the best tight end in football?

[Trey McBride]

You know, it's. I'm a great tight end, man, but.

[Co-host Chad]

These guys don't answer. No answer. PC yes, you are the greatest tight end in football right now. It's ok.

[Trey McBride]

It's hard because, you know, Travis George, these guys been doing it for a long time and they got a body of work, a lot of body of work. And I just got. I got stack a few more years and I think we can put myself in that conversation.

[Co-host Chad]

Okay.

[Uncle (Host)]

The first three years of your NFL career, you had six touchdowns. Yeah. This year you break out, you have 11. What. What was different? What clicked this year as. I mean, obviously your third year you had an unbelievable season. But what was it for you that totally. That you were totally in sync. And it seems to me that once Jacoby Brissette got it there, he's like, hey, get open, Trey.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, I think that's exactly what it was, man. Jacoby was just like, if it's one on one, man, the ball's coming to you. I just expect the ball to come to you. And even if it's two on one, man, the ball's coming to you. So. So Jacoby just had a lot of faith in me. He had a lot of trust in me and I think that's what it was, man. He just believed in me and the opportunities kept coming and I was making plays for him.

[Uncle (Host)]

Have you had an opportunity to study the Rams offense? Because that's the offense that you guys are going to be running. Now, normally that offense is predicated on the outside guys. You see Cooper cup, you see Puka Nakua, you see Devonte Adams. It's really not tight end centric, but. And I like your guy. Wilson. Is that the name?

[Trey McBride]

He's a dog, man.

[Uncle (Host)]

I was trying to tell Ocho. Yeah, but nice. You're their best receiver. And so now you're gonna have to gear an offense that's really suited to make sure you get your catches, make sure you get your target.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, I think the other thing about it, man, he. Not only did they had the receivers heat, they led the league in 13 personnel, man. So they love the tight end. They're going to put the tight end out on the field, and they're going to throw to the tight end, too. So I think that's a huge part of us. But we do have two great receivers with Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson. Man, we got a lot of weapons on that offense, and I'm just excited to see how. How Michael4 is going to get off.

[Uncle (Host)]

All the ball, man.

[Trey McBride]

It's gonna be a lot of fun.

[Uncle (Host)]

When you got into the league, what was. What was your expectations? What did you hope to accomplish? Because you've had such success? You've gone a couple of Pro Bowls, and here you are, you set the NFL record most receiving yards in a single season by a tight end. 126. 126. Almost. Almost led the league in reception. In reception, you finished three behind Puka. 126, 12, 39, 11 touchdowns. What were your hopes when you got into the league? What did you say? You know what? My first. My first quarter, my first four years in the NFL, what were you hoping to accomplish?

[Trey McBride]

You know, I knew I was a great player. I just wanted to be the best player that I could be. I didn't know to this extent that I was going to be as good as I did. But you get the opportunity, you get a little bit of success, man, and it's like, I'm just hungry for it, man. I just got to do what I did last year, beat it again. And now it's just consistency, being able to do it over and over and over again. And I think that's what. What really makes a great tight end is doing it over and over again.

[Uncle (Host)]

I definitely agree with that, because the thing is, is that it's. It's easy to sneak up on someone when really people don't know who you are. But, you know, when they. When defensive coordinators go into that room on Monday, they got that number circle. This is the guy that we got to neutralize if we want to have any hopes of winning this ball game. We've got to keep this guy under control. And for you to go out there game in and game out, week in and week out, and show the level of consistency in which you've done that speaks volume to the type of player that you are.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, like it's a lot if you're.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Uncle (Host)]

It's one of my favorites.

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[Trey McBride]

Harder to get open now. You know, it used to be easy.

[Uncle (Host)]

And no one knew.

[Trey McBride]

No one knew who the hell I was. I was getting wide open and now it's I'm getting chipped at the line. I'm getting double team here and there and I think it just, it means more when I catch a ball now because it's like I had to really work for it, man. It wasn't just schemed up, it wasn't. I really had to get open and work for it. You had to beat two guys instead of one and just means a little bit more. So now there's no secret, man. Now I got to do it again when everyone knows who I am.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah.

[Uncle (Host)]

When it's all said done, how do you want your career? How do you want. How do you want to be remembered? How does Trey McBride want to be remembered when it's all said and done?

[Trey McBride]

Just as a consistent, you know, elite player, man. A guy who kind of did everything the right way, you know, played for his teammates and most importantly, man, did it the right way. I think that's the most thing is you don't want to, you know, cheat the game and you just want to keep. Keep building it and then just do it the right way. And I think that's what I'm trying to build.

[Uncle (Host)]

You know, the thing is in your quarterback, Kyle, you've been there, he's been there your entire time. And there is a stretch that he might be leaving, he might be traded, and now some of that's been taken back that there's a chance that he might stay there. Are you okay with that or you think you guys colleagues got, kind of got Nick, but you had great seasons under Kyler. I mean, it just, it just skyrocketed. It just skyrocketed with, with Jacoby.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, man, I love Kyler, man. He's a tremendous player. A guy who can make all the off schedule plays, man. He can, he can do it all. So I love everything about him and I'd love to have him back as a quarterback because obviously we got a great chemistry. We got. I know exactly what he's thinking. But you know, whoever's back there slinging it, man, I'm gonna get open for him and we gonna make it happen, baby, so.

[Uncle (Host)]

Oh, oh, okay. So we can pencil you in one thing. 30 next year.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah, 130 and just add, you know, add one or two to add to.

[Uncle (Host)]

All those because, you know. Okay, you already got the record, so you might as well try to get. I think Kelsey Kelsey got over 1400, so you got to get that one. And I think Gronk has like 17. 16, 17 something.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah. So I got some work to do. No doubt.

[Co-host Chad]

All you got to do is start off early. You start off early those first five weeks.

[Trey McBride]

Yeah.

[Co-host Chad]

And just cruise the rest of the.

[Uncle (Host)]

Season with the test. TDs I don't know.

[Bo Jackson]

You get.

[Uncle (Host)]

You get 130 plus 1500 yards and 16 touchdowns. You might be the first tight end to win an mvp. Yeah.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah.

[Uncle (Host)]

With those kind of numbers, man. Congratulations. Great season, man. Take care. All Pro first team. All Pro tight end, Trey McBride from the Arizona Cardinals. Thanks for joining us, sir. Oh, man.

[Co-host Chad]

I like that jacket.

[Uncle (Host)]

Can you. Can you believe OO126 catches, that's crazy.

[Stephen A. Smith]

As a tight end.

[Co-host Chad]

Now we're not talking about a receiver, you know, a volume catching tight end. That's dope. That's a testament to how good he is though, huh?

[Uncle (Host)]

Boy, that's. That's damn near 40 more catches than I've ever had in the season. That's 39 more catches than I had.

[Co-host Chad]

I have a question, though. What is the difference when Kyler Murray's at quarterback as opposed to when Jacoby Brissette came in and all of a sudden his numbers, it skyrocket in being able to show what he can potentially do.

[Uncle (Host)]

What you got?

[Co-host Chad]

Who wins the matchup? Jackson, Smith and Jigba or Christian Gonzalez?

[Uncle (Host)]

I don't think they put. I don't think they put Christian in a situation where he's covering him. What? Especially in the fight in the slot. Hell no.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah. And I think Christian. Does Christian even travel?

[Uncle (Host)]

I don't think so.

[Co-host Chad]

And another thing too chat when it comes to that matchup, I love we're getting caught up in the names and how good Christian Gonzalez is. But we also understand what Kubiak does with Jackson's big thing. Jigba. He's not gonna put him out there on the island anyway. No, they use him in a multitude of ways. Put him in motion, condenser splits. Hell, he coming out the backfield, as we just saw two weeks ago when he scored a touchdown on the scissors route. So there'd be so many ways they moved around where he's not stuck, you know, and having to deal with him one on one.

[Uncle (Host)]

So, yeah, I don't see a situation. I don't see a situation where he's going to be one on one with Jackson, Smith and Jake. But, I mean, even wherever they find, they're going to obviously have. Have eyes on here. Both eyes on, on here, my man.

[Co-host Chad]

Hey, let me come all the way around.

[Uncle (Host)]

We got Stephen A. Smith coming. Coming to the set today. What's up? Yo, how you doing, my man?

[Stephen A. Smith]

What's going on, man?

[Uncle (Host)]

Man, I'm doing great. I'm doing. How you been?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know, I'm kind of recovering because Somebody had me at a party last night. You know what I'm saying? And so, I mean. Yeah, I know you do. You always do that.

[Uncle (Host)]

I do that. People say, well, how the hoes leave? I said, easy. I just walked up out of there. I mean, that thing, they close. Hey, I had to get up out there.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I got.

[Uncle (Host)]

Had an early day, and I got a long day tonight, but how you doing, bro?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm doing all right, man. It's good to see y', all, man. Proud of y', all, as always. Doing y' all thing. I watch y' all when I can, especially nightcap, you know, doing y' all things. I said, my boy just making noise and stuff like that. Winning, you know, winning top 10 across the board, handling this business.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes, sir.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Y' all don't mind saying that. And I've been in it as long as he has. Yeah. In the podcast world and all that. I have my feelings hurt. I'd be like, he's kicking my ass.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know, but I'm like this. Nah, nah. But he a pioneer. Yeah. I'm following him. So I'm good with it. I'm good with it.

[Uncle (Host)]

So what's. What you been.

[Bo Jackson]

Go ahead.

[Co-host Chad]

I'm gonna say I want to talk a little basketball.

[Bo Jackson]

Go ahead.

[Co-host Chad]

I know he knows. He has the knowledge. He's in the game, understand the game, and can hear some of the things that we can't hear in the background. Giannis.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Co-host Chad]

And Ja.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Co-host Chad]

Is there a move for those two before today's. Before the. The 4 o' clock deadline?

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's highly unlikely. It's highly unlikely. It's still possible, but highly unlikely. Giannis has four calf injuries since over the last 19 months. Now, I'm a Knicks fan.

[Bo Jackson]

Yes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So longsuffering, die hard, Knicks fan. And I'm sitting up there.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah, You. So you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, I still remember how you always tease me about that in the. Oh, my goodness, don't get me started with him. But the thing about it is this. I'm like, go get him. Go get Giannis. Go get Giannis. And then the calf injuries came. I was like, wait a minute now. I mean, wait a minute now, because here's the reason why you really hurt Stephen A. I'm gonna tell you why you get nervous. I'm telling you why you get nervous. KD Calf injury before the torn Achilles. You see what happened last year. Halliburton. Tatum.

[Uncle (Host)]

Tatum.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Damian Lillard, you get nervous. And so the worst thing that could happen to the New York Knicks, you're gonna have to trade at least two players in a couple of picks. And if you do that. And then Giannis can't go, oh, what a disaster, I can't have that.

[Uncle (Host)]

And he's gonna want a match extension this summer, too.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right. And so I worry about that in the case of John Morant. Here's my problem. First of all, all of these cats that want to get on him for his troubles from years ago. Stop that.

[Co-host Chad]

Right?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Just stop that. You know, he's young, made a mistake. Let it go, Bam. Let it go. But here's what you can hold against him. I see no change in this game. I see no change in his game.

[Co-host Chad]

No. No. Evolving.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, no, no, no Evolving like you shooting 23% for three point range. Do you know that that's the second worst three point shooter in the NBA right now?

[Co-host Chad]

I'm just saying at the second level. And, and, and when it's time to drive to the. That that's where he makes his hate.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But what I'm saying to you is the way the game is now, you got to be able to be a perimeter threat so you. He could give you 18 to 20 a night with ease. The problem is to get you to the next level, you got to be able to hit from a win.

[Co-host Chad]

Okay?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay.

[Uncle (Host)]

It's.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Especially with him being as slim as he is.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yes. You got to be able to get guard. You can't shoot 23% as a.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Can't shoot 23% for three point range. Three point range, you can't do that. And so when I'm looking at him, maybe it's because of the distractions, maybe it's because of the money you got comfortable. But I'm not seeing any evolving in your game.

[Co-host Chad]

Okay?

[Stephen A. Smith]

And that's what I'm worried about. Not that he can't play.

[Co-host Chad]

I know where he can evolve. I know where he can evolve. Coming on down there. Obstruction and environment where discipline is concerned in Miami.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't mind that.

[Aaron Jones]

I don't.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I, I don't mind. I don't. But wait a minute. But at the expense of whom? Because I ain't letting go of Tyler Hero for him.

[Uncle (Host)]

What?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know what? Let me tell you why Tyler Hero can shoot. He can spread the floor. If, if, if Ja can't shoot, then how that's gonna help Bam? How that's gonna help Khalil Whale, how that's gonna help these other cats? You need to have somebody that can shoot from the outside to keep you honest. So when you come out there to defend them. It gives your big some space. You can't have a cat that's got to go to the hole. You listen. Remember when Ben Simmons was playing? This is an all time play I'll never forget as long as I live. Carmelo Anthony is guarding Ben Simmons and then it's like a light bulb flash.

[Co-host Chad]

He said.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He said, what the hell am I doing? And turned his back to Ben Simmons and sprinted to the paint. He said, what am I guarding him out there for? He'll never shoot that. You see what I'm saying?

[Uncle (Host)]

If you do, we ain't going to make it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You got to make somebody respect you enough to guard you away from the basket.

[Uncle (Host)]

Okay, this game, everybody, I mean, only one player. And Jaden Daniels was. Jaden Daniels and Connor from Threads.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yep.

[Uncle (Host)]

Well, the only two people that we've had come across this desk and pick the Patriots to win this game.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It ain't going to be me. Ain't going to be me. I ain't picking no damn Patriots. I hope that's not what you would.

[Uncle (Host)]

Lead it to why you pick them.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's true.

[Uncle (Host)]

So. So right now it's 10 to 2. Everybody else that's coming up here to talk to Oo and I, it's 10 to 2. Seattle to win over the paper.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Then I'm. Then I'm 11.

[Aaron Jones]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, I'm 11. Yeah, I'm 11. I'm 11.

[Uncle (Host)]

What, what is it about, what is it about the Seahawks that you love?

[Stephen A. Smith]

They're the most complete team. New England went against the Chargers. Damn good defense. Yeah, they went against Houston. Elite defense. They went against the Broncos. 68 sacks, four shy of the all time record. I know you know about your Broncos. None of them were considered number one. It was Seattle, right? That's the defense you got to go against. Then I'm looking at a Patriots offense that's only giving you 18 points per game in the postseason. Now I understand the blizzard in Denver in the second half, right. But how you explain the first four and out the first four possessions you had three and outs in the first half. How do you explain the fact that you were struggling really to. To score against Houston? How do you explain the fact that you were struggling to score against the charges? But I'm supposed to believe you're gonna score against Seattle? And. And then when I think about in Jakebook, I'm like, who the. He ain't stronger, bigger, faster than nobody, but you can't stop him. He was doing. He was wreaking havoc at Ohio State. Now look what he doing in Seattle. That's why you let go of TK Metcalf as your number one option, because you could afford. And this brother been playing lights out. Sam Donald suddenly looked like an all world quarterback. You know, Kenneth Walker, everybody talking about sharpened being out. But let me tell you something about Kenneth Walker. He did rush for over a thousand yards. He did average 4.6 yards a carry. I'm like, how are we sleeping on him? We can't sleep on these brothers. I just think they're the most complete team and as I think the only shot New England has of winning this super bowl, they have to hold Seattle to 20 points or less because I don't see them scoring more than 20.

[Bo Jackson]

No.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah, they're going to have. They're going to have to coax some turnovers.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right.

[Uncle (Host)]

Now, Sam Darling's been great in the postseason. He's taking care of the football.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Uncle (Host)]

As long as he doesn't revert back to what we think and what we've seen him be, Stephen A. I think they'll be fine. But you know, go back and look at every team in the term, in the, in the playoffs, whoever's turned the ball over the most, they went home.

[Aaron Jones]

Okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

By the way, Drake may six times, three lost fumbles.

[Aaron Jones]

Yes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Sacked five times each game. Oh, so y' all ain't even protecting them. And by the way, you see how Seattle get to the ball? So, so, so you can run with the football. And he's showing that he could do that, particularly on first and second down. Yeah, they use him on first and second down. So I get that part. But I'm like this, that ain't gonna work against.

[Co-host Chad]

Yeah, no, absolutely.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I can't see that happening. The only way is if Drake all of a sudden with booty and Diggs is flinging that damn football. And all of a sudden we. We watching these cats throw the damn football. If I see that, that will change my mind. I can't see it happen.

[Uncle (Host)]

But the secondary for Seattle is so good.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Exactly.

[Uncle (Host)]

Even worry. Iman worry. They're really good defensive line with D. Law and Leonard Williams and those guys re. Man, they. They're really good. Ernest Jones iv, he's. He's been a steal. He's been excited, exceptional.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And then people appointed to LA, you scored 38 against them in the regular season. In the overtime loss when they lost 38, 37. You lo. They gave up 27 to LA, you know, in the playoffs. And I'm going like this. That Was Puka Nakua out there catching.

[Uncle (Host)]

That damn ball and devonte, you ain't.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Got, you ain't got that on New England. I respect the hell out of Booty and Diggs, but you ain't that dude. No, you're not that dude. That's where I'm at with and I.

[Uncle (Host)]

Like Drake may but I for me and I don't have a vote, but if I had a vote, I'll vote for Matthew Stafford for mvp.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Easy. The only problem I like. See here's the problem I have with Shannon Sharp. You know, let's say o this he had this problem all the damn time. It's okay to say Stephen A, you right. I agree with you. See he tried to say he, he, he, he was listening to me. He was listening to me say that. You understand? He was listening to me say staffing the damn mvp. But he'll say it, he'll just say it without saying no.

[Uncle (Host)]

But, but, but you, but you know, but you know there have been some that says Drake made.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, I know I, I don't listen. The Drake made problem. In all seriousness, New England had the Weakest schedule since 1999. The weakest schedule in the NFL since 1999. That's what the stats right. Then you got the charges you depleted at your offensive line with two Pro Bowlers out, Slater and all. You go against Houston, Nico Collins is out. Schultz goes down in the second quarter. You go up against Denver Stidham, a backup quarterback who had to throw. Not only is he a backup quarterback, he throw a pass in 20, 23. Okay. And then on top. And on top of the blizzard came. Yeah, I mean, come on, you get a lot of luck.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah, a lot of luck. You know. But you know, sometimes Stephen, they things have to go your way.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's fair.

[Stugatz]

Fair.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's fair. But usually that's not what goes down in the Super Bowl. No, usually in the super bowl it's about your skill.

[Bo Jackson]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And your will.

[Uncle (Host)]

In a game like the super bowl, the momentum, you're going to get two momentum swings. Only two. It's going to happen whoever gets the momentum first. How much separation can you put between you and the team that doesn't have the momentum?

[Stephen A. Smith]

See, it's interesting, I love that question because I think that if you New England, you got to have a 10 point cushion.

[Uncle (Host)]

I don't think that's enough.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And, and I, I'm saying and I don't think you, I don't think you going to get the cushion. That's my point.

[Uncle (Host)]

No, I don't think you cuz I, I, we've, we've seen Seattle come back from playing the Rams or the rams had what, a 18?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, but the Rams, the Rams defense wasn't New England's. That's the only thing New England could get stops. Rams couldn't get no stop. But that's the Brown.

[Uncle (Host)]

But the question is Seattle, New England's offense ain't the Rams offense.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right. That's what I'm saying. That's why I don't have a winner. That's why I don't have a win.

[Uncle (Host)]

That's the problem. They can run the ball. I like Henderson, I like Stevenson. They can run the football.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But everybody said, I picked a score, final score, 3120. And everybody was looking at me and they said, well, you bring it up the defense, why you got them scoring 31 points? And I said, because I think they're going to get too many bites at the apple because New England's offense isn't going to be able to do. But so much so if you have the defense out on the field enough, eventually they going to get, they going to get, they going to wear out.

[Co-host Chad]

Don't break.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, they're going, they going to break.

[Uncle (Host)]

I, I, I, I, I think it might be a little lower score than that. I might, I might go 24 to 16.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Think so? I got 3120. I got 3120.

[Co-host Chad]

I can see 30 points simply because the high volume of scoring that Seattle continues to do regardless of who they playing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

By the way, did your boy told me tell you he hooked me up with his boyfriend's glasses and I went, I went and got the glasses. I bought a bunch of them.

[Uncle (Host)]

Oh, you, oh, you brought that baby.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, yeah, no, no, he got me with the cat. He got me. I saw him, I saw him on Nightcap and I was like this, I need a few of those. A few of those. So I went and got them, bro. I would have got him.

[Uncle (Host)]

You stand for the. No, you leaving Sunday morning, right?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm leaving on you probably Saturday.

[Uncle (Host)]

You good? You having a good time?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Miss you. Thanks to you. That party last night was no joke, my brother.

[Uncle (Host)]

I mean, I, I, so when I come down to Miami, I don't want to hear nothing. I don't want to hear nothing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I ain't gonna be no party. I ain't throwing no party.

[Uncle (Host)]

But.

[Co-host Chad]

Oh, that's right, I forgot you down there. Hey, we got to go to dinner. I got it. I'mma tell you where we go.

[Aaron Jones]

Okay, that's cool.

[Co-host Chad]

We good.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'll take you up on it now, okay? I'll take you up on it.

[Uncle (Host)]

Serious.

[Bo Jackson]

I'm.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm dead serious.

[Uncle (Host)]

Come to Vegas. I got you, right?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Such a lion.

[Bo Jackson]

Asshole.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I mean, this Catman. I mean, Shannon. I can't find Shannon half the damn time. I'm in Vegas.

[Uncle (Host)]

You good? You good?

[Trey McBride]

What do you mean?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm good? I've been calling you for hours. Where you at? You know, I can't catch him, you know.

[Uncle (Host)]

Hey, man, I'll be in the bed, Stevie. That'll be sweet.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I ain't mad at you, but I'm telling you this. Listen, I love living in Florida.

[Co-host Chad]

It is.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's lovely, you know?

[Co-host Chad]

Hey, hold on. You.

[Bo Jackson]

Don't you smoke cigars? Huh?

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, not really, But I smoked a few.

[Bo Jackson]

Okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I mean, I remember one time. Last time. It's been years, actually. Last time I smoked a cigar, I was in. I was in a cigar bar with Michael Stray.

[Co-host Chad]

Okay?

[Bo Jackson]

You know what I'm saying?

[Stephen A. Smith]

But I mean, I smoked a few. I mean.

[Bo Jackson]

Because it's cool.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Uncle (Host)]

Well, I'm coming out there. Me and you, we. Me, you. We go to eat.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Come by the.

[Uncle (Host)]

I just want to go get. I want to go get a bite to eat. That's it.

[Co-host Chad]

We ain't gonna go nowhere else.

[Uncle (Host)]

I want to go get a bite to eat.

[Co-host Chad]

No, no, no, no. We ain't gonna.

[Bo Jackson]

Hold on.

[Co-host Chad]

We ain't gonna go nowhere else.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, you might want to think that. You might want to think that. I mean, there's a couple of spots.

[Uncle (Host)]

That I don't want to go.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, well, I tell you what I do. I tell you what I do. I'll take you to a spot to eat, but it ain't just about eating it. You know what I'm saying?

[Stugatz]

It's all.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's all in one. It's all in one. I'll take you to the spot.

[Uncle (Host)]

Why can't I get friends that support me? Why can't I get friends?

[Stephen A. Smith]

We are supporting you. We're looking out for you. I mean, we're looking out for you. We really are. We really are. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we really are. We got you covered, you understand?

[Uncle (Host)]

Why do I.

[Bo Jackson]

Why do I need any other type of friends? What I'm trying.

[Co-host Chad]

It's okay to live. You're not living. You're alive, but you're not living. I continue to.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I can't seriously say you going home you working and going home. You're working from home half the time, Stuff like that. You know, I, I bet there's days that go by that you don't leave the house. I'm willing to bet that if I.

[Uncle (Host)]

Don'T go work out. Yes, See?

[Bo Jackson]

Yes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Work out. You mean go work out. You mean you don't have a gym in your house?

[Uncle (Host)]

I do.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I got a show.

[Uncle (Host)]

I got two gyms in my house.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All right, then, so why do you got to go to work out?

[Uncle (Host)]

But I, but, you know, I like, I like. So I, if, if you like to mingle. No, if I don't leave my house to go work out, I would literally be in my house two, three weeks at a time.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I can, I could never do that now. I've, I've improved. I could stay in the house for a couple of days, two or three days without moving. Like, especially the crib I got.

[Uncle (Host)]

When covet happened. I ain't missing me. I was like, I could.

[Bo Jackson]

You ain't got to go nowhere.

[Uncle (Host)]

Perfect. Wow.

[Co-host Chad]

I gotta leave the house. I got to go. I got, I got to go.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I gotta go out. You gotta eat, you gotta walk around. You gotta. You gotta feel the fresh air outside. You got to do that. I don't give a damn if it's me getting in my car to drive to the damn store or something. Just to get out and feel the breeze.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yeah, get to your car and drive to the store in Miami.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my story. I'm sticking to it.

[Bo Jackson]

That's my story.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm sticking to it. I'm telling you that right now. I mean, that's what it is. That's what it is. It is lovely, man. You know, when we say Miami, let's be very clear, we're not really talking about Miami. We talk about all its surrounding parts.

[Co-host Chad]

Yes. Oh, yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All the stuff around. Within the 30 to 45 minute radius. All around it, you understand? All around it.

[Co-host Chad]

Beautiful.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Lauderdale, the Coral Gables.

[Co-host Chad]

That's all us.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's, it's. Oh, beautiful. It's, it's, it's.

[Uncle (Host)]

This guy, this guy here, man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's just, it's just a special.

[Co-host Chad]

You gotta come on down.

[Bo Jackson]

I'm coming down, man.

[Uncle (Host)]

But I told you what I wanted.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And my crib, very private. You ain't gotta do it. You ain't got to worry about nothing. You gotta worry about being found.

[Bo Jackson]

Okay?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm trying to tell you. I'm trying to tell you. You ain't got to worry about nothing. You Go to the noise. It ain't at your doorstep. That's the key. That's the key. Don't go to the. You don't have the noise at your doorstep.

[Co-host Chad]

Right.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Go to it.

[Co-host Chad]

I like that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That way you can stay away from it when it's time. That's what you gotta do.

[Bo Jackson]

Okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm trying to tell you.

[Uncle (Host)]

Stephen A. Smith, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, man. Congratulations on everything, man. Appreciate.

[Bo Jackson]

Appreciate y'.

[Orlando Brown Jr.]

All.

[Bo Jackson]

The.

[Uncle (Host)]

The. The serious show. The Stephen A. Smith show. The big deal at espn, you got. Hey, bro, appreciate it. I pre.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hey, appreciate you.

[Uncle (Host)]

And I want to tell you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle (Host)]

I appreciate the support because a lot of. With a lot. When a lot of people ran away, you ran to me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No. Hell no.

[Uncle (Host)]

And I appreciate that and I hope.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You keep them away.

[Bo Jackson]

No, they do.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And it was no excuse for people to be that way. Yeah, I saw you. You know, I saw you. You and I talk all the time. You know what I'm saying? I got number love for y'.

[Co-host Chad]

All.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Both of y' all proud of both of y'.

[Uncle (Host)]

All.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Keep doing what you think. But all these people. Listen, man, when you up here, they.

[Uncle (Host)]

Was with you, you know?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Exactly. And then. And then something happened. And what you do, you. You just sat up there and you forgot that that was supposed to be your boy. They was never your boys.

[Uncle (Host)]

You're right.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They were never your boys. Tell them to kick rocks.

[Uncle (Host)]

Yep. With no shoe on.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Damn right.

[Uncle (Host)]

Appreciate it, bro. Have the best.

[Bo Jackson]

All right, juvie.

[Uncle (Host)]

Appreciate it. All right, guys, thank you for joining us for another call me. Thank you for joining for another episode of Nightcap Radio Roll. It's been a great two days. Thank you for guys for tuning in. We really, really appreciate. We want to thank all the guests that stopped by and gave us a little bit of their time. We really, really appreciate that. But y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite. Unc. This is my partner and co host and we're signing off. We'll see you tonight at Nightcap Live. Thank you guys again.

[Co-host Chad]

Chat. I love you. If you need me, call me.

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