Anchor Babies Are A National Security Threat - Scrolling w/ Hayley (Ep. 283)

Summary

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Scrolling with Hayley – Ep. 283

“Anchor Babies Are A National Security Threat”

April 22, 2026
Host: Hayley Caronia
Guests/Contributors: Andrew, Kyra, and others

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Hayley Caronia delivers a characteristically candid, conservative rundown of hot-topic issues at the intersection of immigration, technology, and culture. Hayley takes aim at the impact of “anchor babies,” rising migrant crime stories, and the implications of evolving AI scams. Other topics include the outsourcing of American jobs, privacy concerns in the workplace, and a nuanced discussion on mental health in public life—sparked by comedian Theo Vaughn’s recent viral moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Immigration, Migrant Crime, and “Anchor Babies”

Timestamps: 00:00–16:00

• Anchor Babies & Demographic Change
  • Hayley opens by noting that “10% of births in the U.S. were anchor babies in 2023,” raising concerns over America’s declining birth rate versus increasing births by migrants ([00:00]).
  • She argues, "We're set to be replaced. And these migrants are not citizens. They are not upstanding either. They are committing heinous crimes against American citizens."
• Violent Crime Cases Linked to Migrants
  • Details a Fairfax, VA case: An 18-year-old illegal migrant enrolled as a junior in high school, molested nine girls, and received a relatively light sentence ([01:05]).

    "Molest nine girls, he'll be out in no time... sexual abusers, especially those who target children, cannot be rehabilitated." – Hayley Caronia ([02:15])

  • Highlights “sanctuary” county policies that Hayley says protect criminal migrants instead of citizens.
• Sexual Violence During Migration
  • Cites stats on violence faced by Central/South American women crossing to the U.S.:
    • “33% of Latin American and Hispanic women experience domestic violence.”
    • “60–80% of migrant women and girls experience rape and sexual assault during the migration process.”
  • Argues that Democrats are inviting rapists and criminals into the U.S.
• Louisiana & South Carolina Incest Cases
  • Discusses two recent illegal alien cases involving incest and sexual abuse of minors ([05:00–07:00]).
• Birthright Citizenship as a Security Risk
  • Cites Pew Research: ~10% of U.S. births are to illegal aliens ([08:00]).
  • Contends that social systems support these births (“free health care, SNAP benefits…”), incentivizing anchor babies for later family sponsorship/green cards.
• Allegiance & National Security
  • Tells the story of siblings implicated in an IED plot at a military base: “Their family's from China... The brother fled to China... His mother is a Chinese national living here illegally, and she's been living here for decades on an overstayed visa.” ([10:00])
  • Plays Supreme Court Justice Alito’s warning ([11:10]):

    "A boy is born here to an Iranian father who has entered the country illegally. That boy is automatically an Iranian national at birth, and he has a duty to provide military service to the Iranian government. Is he not subject to any foreign power?" – Justice Alito

2. AI Scams and Personal Safety

Timestamps: 17:00–26:30

• Emergence of Voice-Cloning Scams
  • Hayley shares TikTok stories of parents receiving FaceTime calls from what appeared to be their children, but were actually AI-generated scam attempts ([17:09–18:00]).

    “I get a FaceTime call from my daughter's phone… it was my daughter, and she was like, 'Hey, Mommy, I'm sick. Can you open the door?' Mind you, my daughter is in school…” – Scam Victim Mom ([17:09]) “My daughter answered the FaceTime audio call from me, but I never called.” – Scam Victim Dad ([18:00])

  • Hayley warns: “AI using voice changing technology and voice replicating technology… If it is something like your child calling you, I could see a lot of parents being like, okay, I'm gonna go do that.” ([18:55])
• How to Protect Your Family
  • Suggests unique family “code words” to verify identities during calls, but acknowledges the practical challenges due to surveillance and devices everywhere.

    “Families need to have a code word… But you can’t let anyone else know this code word; with ring doorbells and recording devices everywhere…” – Hayley ([21:45])

  • Notes the specific risk for elderly victims, who may be less digitally savvy.
• General AI Scam Landscape
  • Andrew recounts a classic “CEO asks for gift cards” scam.
  • Hayley relays personal anecdotes about spam calls and robocalls, connecting them to the evolution of scamming tactics.
  • Concludes that everyone could be fooled by AI eventually:

    “Everyone wants to pretend like they're invincible… But we're all capable of falling for AI, especially as it gets more advanced.” – Hayley ([25:22])

3. Outsourcing & Workplace Privacy

Timestamps: 27:15–41:00

• Remote Work and Outsourcing in Hospitality
  • Highlights Miami hotels replacing front desk staff with video-call operators in India; guests check in via kiosk ([28:00]).

    “I feel like a lot of the customer service industry… is based on human connection… If you are replacing these kinds of hospitality staffers with robos and people from India, that takes away from the vacation experience.” – Hayley ([28:34])

  • Criticizes self-checkout: “They need to have a person standing there anyway because it always goes wrong.”
  • Predicts increased outsourcing across industries, blaming pandemic-era remote work for the shift:

    “If you tell your employer that you don't need to come to the office… why wouldn't they hire someone from outside the US who will do your job for less?” ([30:15])

• Language Barriers & Customer Service Frustrations
  • Hayley is blunt:

    “I've never had a customer service representative with a heavy foreign accent that made my life easier. Never. Not once… It's just, I don't want to talk with foreigners. They're hard to understand.” ([31:20])

• Workplace Privacy and AI Training
  • Reports on Meta (Facebook) tracking employees' keystrokes and clicks to “train AI to better behave like human workers” ([32:32]).
  • Reveals company (Cielo 24) sold employee communications to AI firms, raising privacy concerns.

    “There’s a privacy issue here… Most employees know that they're kind of signing their lives away… But I don't think they know that it's going to be sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars to train AI.” ([35:26])

• Prego’s “Connection Keeper” Device
  • Discusses a partnership between Prego pasta sauce and StoryCorps — a device meant to record dinner conversations for historical preservation ([36:31–38:21]).

    “You and your weird family and all of your weird dinner conversations could be in the Library of Congress… it's $20 that the government can spy on you.” – Hayley ([38:21])

4. Mental Health, Masculinity, and Relationship Real Talk

Timestamps: 41:00–59:00

• Theo Vaughn’s Viral Mental Health Clips
  • Hayley deeply respects Vaughn’s openness about childhood neglect and its lingering effects ([41:37]):

    “If the person that created me won't even look at me, then something must be so wrong with me... I became just a people pleaser because I didn’t have any feelings of self-worth.” – Theo Vaughn ([42:00])

    • Hayley: “I really respect self-awareness… There are so many people walking around that deal with these same issues, and they take it out on the world…” ([43:04])
  • Discusses criticism of male vulnerability online (notably from "raw egg nationalist" and Will Chamberlain on X), and challenges the conservative habit of issuing “get married young and have kids” as cure-all advice for mental health.

    “It's not a fix to your mental health problems… This advice to just get married as if marriage is just like a band aid for life's problems is actually insulting to the institution of marriage.” – Hayley ([45:46–46:16])

• Dating & Relationship Advice Dissected
  • Reacts to Hilary Duff’s podcast clip: Duff initially saw her now-husband being “too nice” as a red flag—Hayley and guests explore the implications, connecting it to modern dating culture ([49:41–51:00]).

    “She didn't like her husband at first because she wasn't ready to be treated well. That says a lot about what's going on internally…” – Hayley

  • Kyra weighs in:

    “This is a major consequence of the feminist movement…Your purpose is to be fruitful, multiply… The goal is to be married, not to have fun or get treated poorly to fix your mental health.” ([51:11])

  • Conversation on relationship standards and the "nice guy" paradox.

    “You can never be too much for the right person. They'll just like you for who you are.” – Hayley ([52:55])

• Engagement Length, Travel as a Compatibility Test
  • Debates dating timelines (two-year engagement rule), referencing Hilary Duff’s sister Haley’s 12-year engagement [54:08].

    “If someone is with you for 12 years… and they're making no moves to marry you, they don't want to marry you. You are a placeholder.” – Hayley ([54:18])

  • Andrew suggests going on a trip together early to see the “real” person emerge ([56:42]).

    “Travel with your significant other… You will get a lot of life experiences in a very short amount of time.” – Andrew

• Funny, Relatable Stories
  • Hayley recounts the “TSA PreCheck” test for compatibility—preferring to go ahead through security and buy her then-boyfriend coffee on the other side ([57:14]).

    “I'm going through my TSA PreCheck. If I pay for it, I don't care. And also, like, how long is—can he not be alone for 20 minutes?” – Hayley ([58:20])

  • Lively chat banter ensues on whether or not this makes Hayley selfish.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We're being replaced… These migrants are not citizens. They are not upstanding either. They are committing heinous crimes…” – Hayley ([00:00])
• “Why would [sanctuary counties] protect the illegal, protect the criminal and leave it up to the American citizens left to their own devices? That's essentially the Democrat mantra these days.” – Hayley ([03:00])
• “And when they get here, those same rapists, they rape the children they're supposed to be protecting and caring for.” – Hayley ([07:00])
• “Why wouldn't you have a child who gets automatic citizenship and then can sponsor you for a green card in 21 years? They're essentially birthing their green card.” – Hayley ([08:50])
• "A boy is born here to an Iranian father… he has a duty to provide military service to the Iranian government. Is he not subject to any foreign power?" – Justice Alito ([11:10])
• "[With AI scams] You gotta have a code word…You can't let anyone else know it. With electronics everywhere, it's very hard to remove yourself from all of the listening devices." – Hayley ([21:45])
• “I don't want to talk with foreigners. It's… they're hard to understand. And you go to a customer service representative when you have a problem…” – Hayley ([31:20])
• "There's a privacy issue here… I don't think they know that it's going to be sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars to train AI. And that's sort of different." – Hayley ([35:26])
• “I like my spaghetti sauce without the side of surveillance.” – Hayley ([40:45])
• “It's not a fix to your mental health problems. I just don't think that's the fix. ... This advice to just get married as if marriage is just like a band aid for life's problems is actually insulting to the institution of marriage.” – Hayley ([45:46–46:16])
• “Travel with your significant other… You will get a lot of life experiences in a very short amount of time.” – Andrew ([58:33])

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Opening: Migrant Crime & Policy: 00:00–16:00
• Supreme Court Alito Clip: 11:10
• AI Scams & Safety Advice: 17:00–26:30
• Job Outsourcing & Workplace Surveillance: 27:15–41:00
• Prego’s Dinner Device & Privacy: 36:31–41:00
• Theo Vaughn Mental Health Discussion: 41:37–46:23
• Dating & Relationship Philosophy: 46:23–59:00

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Tone and Delivery

Hayley is unapologetic, forceful, and intensely direct, injecting sarcasm, humor, and sharp criticism—especially towards progressive policies. The discussion is candid and occasionally provocative, encouraging a no-nonsense, take-no-prisoners style.

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Summary

This episode blends Hayley’s fierce conservative commentary with current headlines, personal stories, and cultural critique. Whether confronting the consequences of lax immigration policy, the potential of AI-enabled scams, or the intricacies of modern relationships, Hayley and her crew hold nothing back—delivering pointed arguments, practical advice, and plenty of moments designed to stir debate among listeners.

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For more, follow Hayley at @hayleycaronia and tune in daily for another unfiltered breakdown of all things political and cultural.

Transcript

[Haley Karenia]

Welcome into the show. This is scrolling with Haley. I am HALEY Karenia. And 10% of births in the U.S. were anchor babies in 2023. And with the birth rate declining, well, we're set to be replaced. And these migrants are not citizens. They are not upstanding either. They are committing heinous crimes against American citizens. Then Miami hotels are reportedly hiring foreign remote workers who will do our jobs for much cheaper. Again, we're being replaced. And a new AI scam will mimic the voice of your loved ones to lure you to open your front door, what to look for and ways to keep your family safe. Plus, comedian Theo Vaughn opened up about his mental health struggles and some of the responses need to be called out. Put your phones on. Do not disturb. The show starts now. The migrant problem in this country has reached a fever pitch. From murders to child sexual assault, incest and rape, make no mistake, these are not asylum seekers. They are mooches and leeches with a penchant for violent crime. And for the last few years, the Biden administration put a welcome mat at our southern border with not a care in the world who they were importing. So long as they voted blue, they effed around. And unfortunately, law abiding citizens are finding out an 18 year old illegal migrant came here under the Biden administration. Shocker. And instead of going to high school to assimilate and learn English and become a productive member of society, he took it upon himself to molest nine girls. This happened at Fairfax High School and they allowed a nearly 19 year old man to to join the junior year class. And he went on to inappropriately touch nine girls that we know of in the hallways of that school. The sicko was convicted of nine counts of assault and battery yesterday. He received a sentence of 135 days behind bars, which is light work. I mean molest nine girls, he'll be out in no time. And I firmly believe that sexual abusers, especially those who target children, cannot be rehabilitated. I don't think they learn their lesson in jail. I don't think they become less attracted to young girls in jail. And if this sicko isn't deported, he will reoffend. It's statistics and U.S. immigration and Customs Enforcement, they have filed a detainer on him to take him into custody and hopefully deport him when he completes this jail sentence. However, Fairfax county has sanctuary laws that restrict cooperation with ice. So the sheriff usually doesn't comply with ice. They don't comply with immigration detainers for criminals because why would they right why would they protect the illegal, protect the criminal and leave it up to the American citizens left to their own devices? That's essentially the Democrat mantra these days. That's what they're running on. And unfortunately people keep voting for it. I don't understand, but isn't that convenient, right, convenient for the sexual deviant illegal alien and not at all helpful for the members of the community who were actually abused. And while predators and pedophiles and rapists come in every color and size, it is especially common in Latin American and Central American countries. 33% of Latin American and Hispanic women experience domestic violence. 64% of Central American women seeking asylum cite the risk of rape, assault and extortion and other threats being the main reason why they are coming to the United States. And an estimated of 60 to 80% of migrant women and girls experience rape and sexual assault during the migration process. And Democrats are inviting those rapists into our country, the people who are raping women on their journey on the caravan to, to the United States of America. And then, you know, if Biden's in office, it's like, you know, here's a free flight and a free phone and free food and free health care. And when they get here, those same rapists, they rape the children they're supposed to be protecting and caring for. This is a disgusting story. This migrant raped his 12 year old daughter, was a 12 year old girl that was sort of in his care. This is the headline. Illegal alien pleads guilty to incest after 12 year old girl delivers his child. So this is in Louisiana. This guy pleaded guilty to aggravated crimes against nature by incest. And this 12 year old girl was under his watch and care because her parents don't know where they went. So we see this a lot, people from Mexico and other South American countries, they want to just get their children to America by whatever means necessary. So they'll hand them off to the drug cartel and just get them over the border unaccompanied. And then they hope that maybe they'll be reunited at some point, maybe they'll jump the border and meet up with them, I don't know. But I think a lot of these women are thinking, I'm just going to give my child over to the cartel. They think that this is going to be better for their children. I don't know how you can make sense of that, but that's what they're doing. And this is why we're seeing all of these unaccompanied minors at the border. I believe Tom Homan, our borders are found 60,000 of these unaccompanied minors. And so when they get to the United States, they're in the care of people who are not actually biologically related to them at all. It's just whoever could get them over the border. And then, you know, people with kids might be prioritized, so they game the system that way. So this man was supposedly protecting this young girl, being a father figure to her in this new country, and he raped and impregnated her. Absolutely disgusting. Sick, twisted and disgusting. And here's another incest case, this time in South Carolina. A 43 year old criminal, illegal alien from Mexico was arrested for insects, incest and sexual conduct with a child. This is directly from Homeland Security. The predator was arrested and days after a minor was found giving birth in the parking lot of Oconee. I'm maybe pronouncing that wrong. Memorial Hospital, based on evidence from the Oconee County Sheriff's Office, this guy is engaged in sexual intercourse with the victim who was allegedly between the ages of 11 and 14. So ICE has put a detainer on this guy, but they're going to hope that local authorities work with ICE to get this guy back out of this country and never around children ever again. So if they're not raping children, they are having children on our soil on purpose. And Pew research noted that almost 10% of babies born in the US in 2023 were anchor babies. Babies of illegal aliens. That's crazy amount. And think about how, how much higher that number has likely gotten in the last three years. You know, they just did this study, they crunch these numbers until 2023. Think about since then. But that's, it's wild. And this comes as, by the way, US birth rates have dropped to record lows. American women citizens are having less children and, and immigrant women are having more. And American women have been put on birth control. They have been fed poisonous foods. They have been surrounded by an environment full of endocrine disruptors and other chemicals that are ruining their fertility. They're also saddled with student debt, can't afford to buy houses. Lots of young Americans are holding off on having children for financial reasons. And, and guess who doesn't have a damn care in the world about finances when they're bailed out via government incentives and programs. The illegals, free health care, free phones, free housing, stipends for gym memberships and haircuts, SNAP benefits. Why wouldn't you have a child who gets automatic citizenship and then can sponsor you for a green card in 21 years. They're essentially birthing their green card, eventual green card. And we see illegals fly under the radar for decades in this country. Decades. I see stories all the time. You know, came here in 1995, came here in 2006. It's like these people have just flown under the radar for decades. Yes, this is what they're doing. So it makes sense. If this is the system that they've been living under and it's been working for them, not working for the American people, but working for them, why wouldn't they take advantage of this broken system? Why wouldn't they have children that will eventually be their green light, their golden ticket into the United States of America? And they get to live here all the while while they're waiting. And as President Trump fights to bring an end to birthright citizenship, this is a prime example of how these anchor babies, they do not pledge their allegiance to the United States of America. In fact, in this case, a brother and sister planted an IED outside MacDill Air Force Base in Florida. So they are from. Well, they're from the United States, but their family's from China, and it's crazy. The brother is suspected of planting the device. His sister was an accessory to the crime, tampering with evidence and hiding things in her car and whatnot. The brother faces 40 years, she faces 30. But get this. The brother fled to China. The brother fled to China, The American citizen, right. He was born here. All of a sudden, things go south. You're living your life of crime as they do, and, you know, shit gets hard, and all of a sudden, they're back in China. Weird. For an American citizen that has, you know, no ties to. Well, his mother is a Chinese national living here illegally, and she's been living here for decades on an overstayed visa. So overstay your visa, have kids, they become American citizens while pledging allegiance to China and running right back to China after attempting to attack our military. This is just another family, right? If you listen to the Democrats, just another family looking to start a better life here. And our biggest adversaries are birthing the next generation of enemies on our soil. That is what they're doing. And Supreme Court Justice Alito warned about this. Watch.

[Supreme Court Justice Alito]

Not subject to any foreign power is pretty straightforward. So let me give you these examples. A boy is born here to an Iranian father who has entered the country illegally. That boy is automatically an Iranian national at birth, and he has a duty to provide military service to the Iranian government. Is he not subject to any foreign power? What I said about a boy born to an Iranian father is true of children born here to parents who were nationals of other countries, If I'm correct, it's true. To a child who's born here to Russian parents, it's true. To a child who's born here to Mexican parents, they're automatically citizens or nationals of those countries and have a duty of military service. It sure seems like that's a that makes them subject to a foreign power.

[Haley Karenia]

Wow. Yes, it does. That seems to me like children born on US Soil to parents of our adversaries may have certain military service requirements to those home countries, which poses a massive national security risk to us People who live in Iran, China, Russia, other places they can come here and claim they can just say that they want to live out their American dream. They're fleeing, you know, whatever war torn nation, they're fleeing oppression or whatever they need to say, whatever their sob story is, they're lying. And then they get to come here and breed children who reap all of the benefits of being an American citizen, all while they do the bidding of their home country, a country that may want to end us from the inside out. And some illegal immigrant teens, by the way, are not necessarily doing the bidding of our adversaries, but they come here and they get involved with gangs. I played this one for you maybe last week or maybe two weeks ago. This was a Missouri teenager who was shot by an illegal alien teenager who's involved in in a gang.

[News Reporter]

Watch new disturbing details tonight after prosecutors charged another man in the murder of 15 year old Miles Young. Greene county prosecutors say on March 12, a juvenile girl messaged Young, convincing him to meet her for sex, all while the girl and four others, including Jeffrey Archega, were planning to set Young up. The girl then picked Young up in a separate car. Court documents say witnesses who knew Young told him not to go with her because she didn't like him and blamed him for the death of another person. In a Greene county homicide from 2020 after Young was picked up, him and the girl were on West Maplewood when the other car with Archega and others turned to block the road. And according to witnesses, Young bolted and Archega followed him with a handgun. One witness told police they heard Young on the phone say he didn't want to die before they heard two more gunshots. Young was considered a witness in a 2025 Greene county homicide case and was expected to testify. Investigators wrote in court documents that Archega has gang affiliations and has no remorse for his actions.

[Haley Karenia]

I just don't want to die. Those are the last words of a 15 year old American citizen who was set up by a gang and he fell into their trap and they killed him. He was on the phone with someone saying I just don't want to die. Is this the American dream that we were promised? Having our youth be killed by by illegal aliens that come here and then they get involved with gangs and we already know that the trend Aragua Venezuelan gang as well as MS.13 and others have a foothold in sanctuary states and cities and they're starting them very young trend. Aragua has an offshoot gang of teenagers that are called the little devils of 42nd Street Los Diablos to 42 and they wreak havoc. They've attacked law enforcement officers in Times Square in New York City. This just goes to show that not all immigrants, not all asylum seekers, not all foreigners are created equal. Some want to come here for a better life. They go through the proper channels. Others are evil. It's all they know. They come here to do the bidding of their home country instead of turning over a new leaf in the greatest country in the world. They they import their degeneracy here. And you can thank a democrat when an illegal alien murders a college student walking in a park or going for a run to escape the stresses of nursing school, or when a migrant assaults children in school or chops off their head with a machete or bludgeons them to death with a sledgehammer. Thank a Democrat every single time. Taking a break to tell you about my morning coffee and that is Blackout Coffee. Blackout Coffee is a premium American coffee company known for bold flavor coffee, high quality beans and roasting fresh right here in the us. Every order ships straight to your door so you always have an amazing cup whenever you need it. What I love is how smooth and rich it tastes without any bitterness. With that perfect balance of flavor and energy getting me through busy mornings and long days. You can try their subscribe and Save program so you can always have a fresh cup of coffee on hand. Switch flavors anytime, pause or cancel whenever you want. Plus you get discounted pricing, free shipping and reward points on every order. It is simple, free, flexible and saves you money. They offer dark roasts, flavored coffees, espresso blends and more. Something for every coffee lover. Now is the time to try Blackout Coffee. Go to blackout coffee.com and use code scroll for 20% off your first order. Once you try it, you won't want to go back. All right well, there is a new scam. And with new technology, scammers are evolving. And they're using AI to now mimic the voices and faces of. Of loved ones to trick unsuspecting victims. Here are two that I found on TikTok just yesterday. Watch.

[Scam Victim Mom]

Hey, y', all, listen, I just had. Something so scary just happened to me. I got a face on call from my daughter's phone, and it was my daughter, and she was like, hey, Mommy, I'm sick. Can you open the door? Mind you, my daughter is in school right now. I take her to school, I pick her up. They said, can you say, can you open the door? And I'm like, can I open the door? How did you get home? Or whatever. And she was like, oh, my friend brought me home. And I'm like, what friend? So I'm like, hold on. I get my other phone, look at my camera on my phone. Nobody was there. So I said, what school you go to? And she was like, why you ask me all these crazy questions? Can you just open the door? No. What school do you go to? I said, are you in danger? No, I'm not in danger. So I said, what do we have for dinner last night? Oh, my God. I don't. I don't remember. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I don't remember. How many siblings you got? Why are you asking all these questions? Just open the door for me, please. I hung up. I hung up. So then when I went to my phone to go look back at my phone to see, to like, call her or whatever, try to text her because she's in school or whatever, the number, her number is not there.

[Scam Victim Dad]

My daughter answered the FaceTime audio call from me, but I never called. True story. It literally just happened. 6:00 clock tonight, I'm in the kitchen and my daughter's in the next room on her iPad. Everything's normal. Then I hear her say, okay, dad, I'm coming right there. So I walk in, like, coming where? I asked her, who are you talking to? She looks at me confused and says, you just called me. I'm like, no, I didn't. She says, yes, you did. On FaceTime audio. So I freeze because my phone is sitting right on the counter. I haven't touched it. So I grab her iPad and I check the call log. There it is. FaceTime audio from dad. Lasted about 12 seconds, but something doesn't feel right. So I clicked into the actual contact and that's when my stomach drops because it's not my. You know, it's not My contact, it's some random email address mask under my name.

[Haley Karenia]

Well, dad, this is wild. And I think this all started. You know how you get spam calls and they're from your area, your area code you'll get. And I get a lot of calls from the New York area because I lived there. Nashville, because I lived there. D.C. because I get a lot of calls from people in D.C. just booking and whatnot. So I get them from all over. And now that I live in Florida, I'm getting them from there too. So I feel like when they use these numbers that are from your area code, your area, they know who you're likely to pick up the phone from. If you see a random area code, you're not going to pick it up. I don't know who this is. Right. But if it's someone in your area, oh, this could be the dentist or someone that you don't have saved in your phone. So I feel like you're more likely to pick it up. And they're using the phone numbers of people who are real. And I remember, I think this happened because they started this, I don't know, like what, 15 years ago now, like, it's been so long. Like, this is nothing new. But I remember I got a voicemail on my phone of some woman being like, you keep calling me and I don't know who you are, whatever. And I didn't, I never called this woman. So clearly my number was being used to do these robocalls. And I don't know how these scammers do that, but it's very scary. And now it seems like it has evolved using AI where they can use a number or an email address to FaceTime call someone using, not the actual contact, but it, I don't know, it like knows where the, you know, the end result is. Like, they know how to call these people. They just use a different channel to get there. And with AI using voice changing technology and voice replicating technology, you can. We see this all the time. I play videos of AI Trump and AI RFK Jr and AI this and that. And if you are not looking for that, you might get fooled by this, especially if it is something like your child calling you. And I think most parents would probably know, okay, this something sounds off with my kid's voice. But you never know if, if it's in the heat of the moment and they're asking you like, I'm sick, can you come get me? Can you come open the door? I could see a lot of parents being like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go do that. Right. So this is very scary. And people in the comments were saying, I'm so afraid for the elderly, which I think is a huge problem, because they're not as technologically safe, savvy. They're not going to pick up on AI as much as someone else. And I mean, some people are, you know, digitally inclined more so than others. But for the most part, elderly are the targets of these scams, especially when it's phone scams and computer scams and things like that, because they're just not as knowledgeable when it comes to this stuff and not when it comes to these updates. And another one commented, you got to leave all the electronics in the house, go for a walk and create the code word, do not do it in the house. So people were saying that these families should have a code word, something that you come up with where if something like this. And that first mom, by the way, was asking all the right questions, all the right questions. I think some parents could easily get caught up. And she said, no. What friend brought you home? I see that you're not at the door. What school do you go to? How many siblings do you have? What are their names? Like, she's testing this AI. They don't know the answers to those questions, but certainly her daughter would know the answers to those questions. So something in her, I don't know if it was like mama bear instincts or what it was, but she knew, this is not my daughter. This is someone pretending or something pretending to be my daughter. Very scary. So a lot of people were saying families need to have a code word. So in that moment that mom could be like, what's our code word? The AI wouldn't know it, but to this commenter's point, I mean, you can't let anyone else know this code word. It's like you've got a. With everyone with ring doorbell cameras and recording devices everywhere and phones listening to everything. I mean, you have to. I was even thinking, okay, just go, leave everyone's phones in the car, in the house, and then go in the car. But I feel like there are listening devices in your car. Like, it's. It's very hard to remove yourself from all of the electronics in your home and the list potential listening devices. Because think about it, you could be going for a walk with your family to come up with your code name, and it could get caught on someone's ring doorbell footage. You know, like maybe your neighbor can hear your family's safe code So I don't know. I mean, we're. I live under the, you know, impression that we're just being followed and stalked and listened to at all times, which is very scary, but it is the truth. And someone else commented, those phone calls you get that are unknown numbers and no one speaks. When you pick up, do not say anything. If you pick up, mute it from your side. Voice phishing is real because they're counting on you to say, you know, hey, is this Haley? And you say, yes. Well, then they can use my voice saying yes, or who is this? To mimic my voice and then use it to, I don't know, get into my bank account or something. This is all very real. Someone else said, this happened to me, to myself. I got a FaceTime call from myself, and I decided to answer. It was literally me. Exact hairstyle, exact face, exact clothing and voice. I hung up that phone so fast. That's wild. I've never heard of anything like that. And maybe this person's lying. I don't know. But. But I. Maybe for the bit. I don't know.

[Andrew]

That's terrifying. That would be like, my. My stomach would drop.

[Haley Karenia]

Oh, me too. If you picked up a FaceTime call from yourself, because I think I would. I would wonder what that is. I'm like, is my. Does someone have my laptop or something? You know, like, if I got a call from myself, I would be inclined to pick it up and just see what's going on. Because that's weird.

[Andrew]

No doubt.

[Haley Karenia]

And if it was a FaceTime from myself, and I saw myself.

[Andrew]

Oh, there's a certain amount of dread, too, knowing somebody has the capability to do that. And, like, how do you. How do you combat that even?

[Haley Karenia]

Well, a lot of times, too, because we talk about this all the time. It's easy to fall for AI videos. Everyone wants to pretend like they're invincible and everyone sees everything and everyone's the smartest person on the planet. But we're all capable of falling for AI especially as it gets more advanced. We are going to fall for AI at some point, and especially if you're getting a FaceTime call and it's a video of someone that you know and they can replicate what they're wearing and with their voice and everything. I don't know if people would know to know that it was a scam, unless they knew. Unless they heard this story. I don't know if they would know.

[Andrew]

Yes, it's a very tricky scam to.

[Haley Karenia]

To catch someone in the chat said, I hope you make this info into a short so I can send it to people. Okay, Jason, Jason, if you're watching this show, turn this into a social media clip.

[Andrew]

The one that I saw, I actually saw someone get got by was the CEO's emailing, asking to gift their employees. Oh, yeah, Gift cards.

[Haley Karenia]

Yes.

[Andrew]

I knew a lady who went to Walgreens and bought $500 worth of like, it was. It was like something crazy. What it, like Google Play.

[Haley Karenia]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And got it thinking that she was going to gift it to her co workers from the owner. And the owner was like, I have no idea what yours is.

[Haley Karenia]

Yeah, I remember my high school history teacher. She sent us all an email. I guess her email got hacked and she was like, I'm in Egypt and I can't get home and I was kidnapped and I need money. And like, send me money right now. And we were all like, what?

[Andrew]

She's actually in Egypt and really just needs help?

[Haley Karenia]

Yeah, I guess you never know. Then. I told you on Monday about these North Carolina hospitals that were deploying doctors via FaceTime to combat staff turnover and burnout. So it was essentially this, like, robot wheeling someone's face, a doctor's face down the hall, which I genuinely couldn't imagine having a serious conversation with a doctor about anything, even a not serious conversation. Even if it was just a routine checkup and I had to look at some person on a screen, I'd be like, no, this is crazy. And now certain hotels in Miami are quietly replacing front desk staff with workers in India. And guests are now checking in by a video call and they are given their room keys and all these things. No staff, just someone on the phone. Watch this. Okay, you need one room key or two?

[News Reporter]

Room key, two.

[Haley Karenia]

Just in case I lose one. Yes. I was listening to this for you. This ultimate signature.

[Scam Victim Mom]

What?

[Haley Karenia]

It says guest signature. Let me discuss your registration.

[Mike Debusky]

Please wait while we process your registration form.

[Haley Karenia]

Please note that we have a strict policy of no smoking, no pets, and no visitors allowed in any of our guest rooms. Signature must match the one on your id.

[Mike Debusky]

Using your finger, please sign where it

[Haley Karenia]

says guest signature when you see the form on the screen. All right, sir, I will just process your room esteem. This contains all the property. This is just weird. I don't like this. And then what it. I feel like a lot of the customer service industry and a lot of the hospitality industry is based on human connection. Did you have a bartender that treated you really well? Did you have housemaid staff that came in and took really good care of you? Did you? I don't know, did the pool boy deliver the drinks on time? Like, I don't know. I feel like when you're on vacation there are so many in person connections that happen and that is what makes your stay, that's what makes your vacation better. And I feel like if you are replacing these kinds of hospitality staffers with robos and you know, people from India, that takes away from the vacation experience you like. I mean me personally, I call me crazy. I don't like self checkouts at all. I don't like them because they're. There has to be a human being standing there. And I'm thinking of, you know, cvs, Walgreens, those kinds of places just come to mind. They need to have a person standing there anyway because it always goes wrong. They always need to have a human being come in and swoop in and save the day. Because I scanned this and then it, there was an error message that popped up and this, it does not make it more efficient. And I couldn't imagine if you were having a problem with your room key or some other kind of problem, you're making a complaint and then you've got to go and check in and it's some person in India that has no idea who you are or what the issue is, they're not on site to fix it. This is frustrating and this is what remote work has done. If you tell your employer that you don't need to come to the office, well, why wouldn't they hire someone from outside the US who will do your job for less? That's what the pandemic did, essentially. It told employers that US employees are useless, say, demand more money to work from their bed and their PJs and take naps on their lunch break and block off meetings when they go frolic and do whatever they want, all while they put a mouse mover on so it makes it look like their laptops are in use when in really in reality they are somewhere else. And now companies are saying, okay, you have proved to us that this job can be done remotely. Now we'll outsource for cheaper and we'll save money. And as an American citizen and an English speaker, might I just say how pissed off I'd be if I walked up to this kiosk and I think to myself, this is going to be harder than it needs to be. Immediately. Have you ever had a customer service experience where you can't understand the person and it's been a good experience for you?

[Andrew]

Not I.

[Haley Karenia]

Immediately, no. Immediately, no. Now let me be Clear. I don't hate people from other countries or whatever. I'm just saying I've never had a customer service representative with a heavy foreign accent. That made my life easier. Never. Not once. And they could be white and have a heavy accent and I would be like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like, this is not racist. It's just, I don't want to talk with foreigners. It's. They're hard to understand. And you, you go to a customer service representative when you have a problem, not necessarily when you're checking into a hotel, but if you want to communicate with someone, it's like, I want a human. How many times have you been on the phone and you're like, speak to a human. Connect me to a human. And you're pressing nine and you're pressing zero. And it's like, I don't want to do the automated bullshit. I just want to talk to someone here that can help me. So this is going to be annoying because I think more companies are going to implement this kind of stuff. And Meta, for example, is spying on their employees, which, you know, doesn't really.

[Andrew]

What company is it? Really?

[Haley Karenia]

Yeah. I mean, oh, Meta. Spying on their employees. It's kind of like, okay, yeah, what

[Andrew]

is spying on me? And I don't even work there.

[Haley Karenia]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. So Meta to track workers, clicks and keystrokes to train AI. And I think most remote workers and regular workers know that your keystrokes are being followed on if you're, if you have a employer. I don't know the word for it, like provided issued. Yeah. Laptop or phone or something. You, you know, you know that you're being tracked. Right. But Meta is now going to start tracking the way that employees work, and they're doing it to train their AI models so that their AI models can better be like human workers. It's kind of weird. And a Meta spokesperson gave this statement to the BBC and said this. If we're building agents to help people complete everyday tasks using computers, our models need real examples of how people actually use them. The data is not used for any other purpose. Wink, wink. And the tool has safeguards in place to protect sensitive content. Sure. But then they interviewed some Meta employees and they were saying, yeah, this is actually very weird. It's very weird. They think it's very dystopian. And they said that the company has become obsessed with AI. And to Andrew's point, I think most companies have become obsessed with AI. And Meta is not the only company doing this kind of thing. This is a crazy story about companies selling workers private messages to train AI. And they did a whole deep dive in this article on a now defunct company called Cielo 24, which is a transcription and captioning service company. And when they were going under, the CEO decided to make a quick buck. And by that I mean hundreds of thousands of dollars by selling all of their employees communications to train AI. This is weird. And back in 2024, a former open AI, which is the company that has ChatGPT and all that, scientists said that AI companies have really, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. They've already gone through all of the readily available information that's public on the Internet. They need more information to learn. They need more communications to learn from. Like everything that's publicly available, they've already gone through. So now they need. There's a high demand for AI to learn from, like our emails, for example, or our text messages. The way that I slack you or the way that I put in a request. That is crazy. So essentially, in order for these AI systems to learn more about how humans work, they need to tap into their personal emails, Google Drives, slack channels, Jira requests. All of those can be sold to AI companies to learn from them. Wild. And I think there's a privacy issue here because like I said, most employees know that they're kind of signing their lives away like, yeah, you can read my text messages on and you know, and work issued phone or laptop. But I don't think they know that it's going to be sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars to train AI. And that's sort of different. So I think there's more privacy concerns to come, especially when it comes to this new venture by the sauce company Prego. You all know the sauce company Prego. I prefer different kinds of sauce. And I think this next video will have you rethinking whether or not you want to buy from this company. This is very weird. Watch. The popular pasta sauce company Prego is joining the tech world by officially launching a device that sits on your table and records dinner conversations. Technology reports Mike Debusky is tracking it. All right, so what is this Prego pasta sauce collaboration all about?

[Mike Debusky]

Yeah, so this is a device that's called the connection keeper. It's like a small little puck that's designed to sit on your dinner table and record your conversations. It's a recording device at its core. And Prego has partnered up with an organization called StoryCorps, which is a nonprofit that basically collaborates, collects Stories from various Americans and preserves them at the Library of Congress for posterity for historical purposes. Prego's idea is what better place to find American stories than around the dinner table? But Kyra, of course, every time we talk about recording devices, there are some privacy questions that go along with that. Namely, why would you want to record your family's dinner conversations? Well, Prego says that this is actually a pretty low tech device. At the end of the day, there is no connection to the Internet. There's no Bluetooth, so it doesn't connect to your phone. If you want to upload this audio to Storycor, you gotta do it the old fashioned way. You have to plug it into your laptop. And this is pretty unique for a device in 2026. There's no artificial intelligence. Prego says they plan to build less than 100 of these devices, and they go on sale next week for 20 bucks. You also get some pasta and, of course, pasta sauce along with it.

[Haley Karenia]

Just 100 devices. Will you be the lucky one to sign up, to sign your life away, to record your dinner conversations?

[Andrew]

I want to give this to, like, an enemy. Here's some pasta sauce. And also all of your stories to the World wide web.

[Haley Karenia]

Weird. $20. You get a box of pasta and sauce and the recording device. And then it looked like it came with a little, like, questionnaire game, like little conversation starters. Icebreakers. Not that you really need that for your own family. I would hope you don't need for

[Kyra]

your own family an insane marketing masterclass that they've convinced you that they get to collect your data and you have to pay for it. Yes, it costs you 20 bucks.

[Haley Karenia]

Well, this is what they're selling you. You and your weird family and all of your weird dinner conversations could be in the Library of Congress. And how cool is that? You're a part of history and blah, blah, blah. Like, that's what they're selling. It's $20 that the government can spy on you.

[Kyra]

Companies have spent way more money to get way less poignant research done on you, and here they are making you pay 20 bucks.

[Haley Karenia]

I know. Especially because it's like, you want to hear my dinner conversations. You already can. You already can. And if the Library of Congress wanted to get my dinner conversations, they probably already could. And I could do it. They could do it for free. I don't need to pay for it. But it's like, why would you want to be. Why would you want your dinner conversations preserved in the Library of Congress? That bad?

[Kyra]

It'd be funny having Funny.

[Haley Karenia]

But you can't be having that cool of a conversation like, all right, guys,

[Kyra]

this conversation's going in the Library of Congress. Let's make it something good.

[Haley Karenia]

Yeah. Yeah. The pressure's on.

[Andrew]

Welcome back, guys, to my dinner table.

[Haley Karenia]

Talk, subscribe, link in bio. Yeah, I just don't. And then it begs the question, if these conversations are going to be preserved for, you know, history's sake, what kinds of conversations do you think that they're going to pick to be in the Library of Congress? Because they're. They're going to sell 100 of these. 100 fricking morons are going to buy them, and then they're going to put this recording device on their dinner table. And some people, I think, will probably buy it as a joke and be like, say some stupid stuff. And then other people will try to sound smart. And then I think other conversations will probably be purposefully woke, I think, and they'll pick those to try to paint a picture of, like, what American life was like in 2026. Like, people around the dinner table, they're probably pick conversations with people like trashing Trump or something like, we hate Trump. Don't you, Susie? Yeah. Billy, what do you hate? Trump. It's like, yeah, here's some more prego sauce. Like, that's what it's going to be in the Library of Congress.

[Kyra]

I don't know. Your first mistake was eating Prego, so.

[Haley Karenia]

Yes, agreed. Yeah. And people in the chat were saying, prego is Campbell's. I don't eat that. People were saying that they make their own sauce. Agreed. It's so easy to make your own sauce. Don't do it.

[Kyra]

It's also really easy to buy rows.

[Haley Karenia]

That, too, or Carbone or other. There are other great companies that will actually have some good sauce. So I don't know. I like my spaghetti sauce without the side of surveillance. If you're. If you're asking me.

[Kyra]

Surveillance and meatballs.

[Haley Karenia]

Surveillance and meatballs. What was that? Cloudy with a side of Surveillance that, like, book Cloudy with a side of Meatballs.

[Kyra]

Chance of meatballs.

[Haley Karenia]

Chance of meatballs. Yeah, you're right. So let's get into relationships and advice, because this viral video of Theo Vaughn got some people talking. And I want to talk about this. So he went viral for this really raw and emotional moment on his podcast where he talked about issues he has stemming from his childhood. And it's pretty heartbreaking. Watch.

[Theo Vaughn]

You know, my story in my life, and I'm sorry to make this about me, kind of, but I'm Just trying to share, like, you know, when I was growing up, like my mom, something was wrong with her. I love my mother, you know, but she didn't connect with me. She didn't, like, look at me and. And she didn't, you know, she wouldn't hold me that much, and she didn't look. She. She wouldn't look me in the eyes. Right. And. And so as a kid, I felt like. I felt like something was wrong with me, you know, I felt like, oh, if. If the person that created me won't even look at me, then something must be so wrong with me, You know? And I've worked through a lot of this stuff, and so I'm kind of going down this lane. But I just gave me. It gave me like a lot of. A lot of low self worth, you know, it just gave me low self worth. And honestly, it made it tough for me to even have a self because the only person that I only knew who I was. If you reacted to me well. Right. Like, I became just a people pleaser because I didn't have any feelings of self worth. So the only way I could get my worth was from you. Right. From somebody else.

[Haley Karenia]

I just have to say I really respect the fact that he has these issues and he's aware of them. I really respect self awareness. And there are so many people walking around that deal with these same issues, and they take it out on the world. And maybe it manifests in depression, maybe it manifests in anger, and they're really angry about it. And I don't think that Theo is an angry person. I think he is struggling with this, you know, traumatic childhood and a mom that wasn't there for him and didn't love him and. Or I shouldn't say didn't love him, but didn't look at him and didn't treat him the way that he deserved to be treated. And I give him a lot of credit for working on these issues. There are so many people that don't work on these issues. And when I came in and we were talking about this, Justin said that he should just get over it and not that abruptly.

[Kyra]

I'm not bashing him. Well, I appreciate his honesty. I can respect where it's coming from.

[Haley Karenia]

Right.

[Kyra]

But he's 46.

[Haley Karenia]

Yeah.

[Kyra]

It's time to confront your problems and move past them.

[Haley Karenia]

Yeah, I think he is confronting them, and he's having a really hard time. And I think it's sad that he's lost so much of his life and he's been so successful. Since then. Right. It's not like he's thrown his life away and has been so miserable the whole time. I mean, he's really made something so wonderful for himself. A comedy career, podcast, all these things. And he has so much, I think, to be grateful for, and I think he is. But, you know, he. If he had confronted these issues earlier on, who knows where he'd be now, you know, so he definitely hasn't let this hold him back in any way, which I can respect. But the response on X, this was a response by raw egg nationalists. So, you know, take this with a grain of salt. This is like a, you know, I don't know, like a. This looks like a looksmaxer account. You couldn't waterboard this out of me. Honestly. There are things men shouldn't talk about in public. That was the norm for 99.99% of human history, and it survived civilization. I'm sorry, it served civilization and men themselves actually very well. And I think the more men actually who suffer in silence, the more they tend to commit suicide. And I am saying this as someone who is conservative. I prefer manly men. I don't think that, you know, men should be blubbering all the time, but, you know, it's normal to cry. It's human to cry. I don't think less of men who cry in certain situations. And clearly this is something that has ripped him apart. And he was being very raw and honest with his audience, which I can appreciate. And it's not like he's crying all the time, all day, every day. And I'm going to play an example of someone later in the show who's a real crybaby. But I'm not insinuating that Theo Vaughn is in that dark of a place. I'm just saying generally, it's better to tell someone, anyone, if you are struggling mentally, because the more support you have, the better chance you have that someone can get you the help that you need or pray for you. And months ago, Theo went viral for this moment where he did say he was struggling. Watch.

[Theo Vaughn]

I don't know what to tell you about that, man.

[Scam Victim Dad]

I'm having a long month.

[Theo Vaughn]

I'm trying not to take my own life.

[Haley Karenia]

So he said he was having a long month trying not to take his own life. And a lot of comedians, they are funny because it's sort of a defense mechanism. There are so many comedians who are hilarious, and it's sort of a distraction from some kind of mental health issue that they may be dealing with. So I don't think that ignoring someone's cry for help or telling them to just get over it is always the best course of action. So then here's another response that I think is entirely not helpful that seems to be. In the conservative movement, this knee jerk response to every problem ever is just to get married young and have kids. So he said, Will Chamberlain said, you are 46 years old. Get married, have children and get over yourself. And I've criticized that sort of flippant advice before. Like, I believe that everyone should get married and have kids. But I think that get married really young and, you know, have as many kids, more kids than you can afford. I don't like that aspect of it. Like, I'm still pro family values, of course, but I think that the, I don't know, the get married young and just like, who cares? It sort of makes marriage and children seem like a frivolous decision when in reality, I think it's the most important thing that someone can do in their life and we should encourage it. But it's not a fix to your mental health problems. I just don't think that that's the fix. You know, Theo just opened up about his mom and those issues stemming from that relationship and how his self esteem is completely broken and he needs constant validation from others. And the medicine would just be to, like, put all of that on some woman. Like, do you think that if the Ovan got married to a nice Christian woman that he would forget his painful childhood and all of those problems would go away? No, I think he would be just as broken. I think his life would be better. I think he could pour more of his efforts into a wife and into kids. And I think that would make him happy. But I don't think that it would fix all of the problems. And, you know, nobody is perfect. But I think that people are deserving of love. And this advice to just get married as if marriage is just like a band aid for life's problems is actually insulting to the institution of marriage. Two people who are ready to make that commitment to each other should do so. But I think we need to stop as a movement applying this advice as if it's one size fits all, because it isn't. And if you're looking for more horrible relationship advice, look no further than the Call Her Daddy podcast with Alex Cooper. She interviewed pop star, Disney star, former Disney star Hilary Duff, and this is what she said about her husband. He was just too nice. Nice. That's not really a thing. So you thought it was like almost A red flag that he was too nice. I think I was just, like, not ready to accept all of that yet. I was like, coming out of that, like a long relationship, a divorce, like, I, I was just like, chaotic. Yeah. I think I needed some chaos first. Yes. Meeting a nice guy that's actually going to treat you well. You're like, wait, can you pause for two seconds? Yeah. Together, and I'll come back. Yeah. You guys in the booth over there are, you know, you had a visceral reaction to this kind of clip.

[Andrew]

Perfect example of Lizzie McGuire choosing Paulo instead of Gordo in the movie.

[Haley Karenia]

Right. Gordo was there all the time. He was there for her, liked her as a friend. I mean, he, she wanted the flashy pop star guy. Yeah. But anyway, this is crazy to say that she didn't like her husband at first because she wasn't ready to be treated well. That says a lot about what's going on internally, I think, than anything else. But she had said that she had gotten through a divorce and then, you know, someone was really nice to her after that, and she wasn't ready to be treated nicely. I don't understand this mentality. And Andrew was saying that he thinks a lot of girls like being treated badly. I think I, I, and I see that rhetoric online all the time. I do believe that there are women out there who do like being treated badly for whatever reason, like drama or something. I don't like being treated badly. If I start being treated badly, I cut it off.

[Andrew]

Not necessarily treated badly, but like, when you look at, like, someone, a guy being a loose show. Yeah. Like, yeah, it's, it's the bad boy that usually gets picked, not Lizzie McGuire movie. Perfect example.

[Haley Karenia]

Yes.

[Andrew]

You know, and I think that there's like a stigma around that. Not necessarily that people want to be treated poorly.

[Haley Karenia]

Right. I think there's probably some of that. But yeah, I think you're right. And I said something earlier that, in our conversation and now I forget. Oh, I. What was I as.

[Kyra]

I, I think this is a major consequence of the feminist movement of, like, freedom and independence and, and not settling down immediately and having your fun and not wasting your younger years. Like, this is not, it's not good. Like, you don't. You shouldn't waste your younger, Wasting your younger years would be sleeping around or guys who you're not going to marry. Like, you should date to marry and tie these two stor.

[Haley Karenia]

In.

[Kyra]

In that. Right. Your purpose is to be fruitful, multiply.

[Haley Karenia]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Kyra]

The goal is to be married, not to have fun or get treated poorly to fix your mental health or whatever the hell I don't even know talking about.

[Haley Karenia]

And then it's like you get out of a divorce and the first thing you want to do is not be treated well. It's like, what? Wouldn't that be what you want out of a relationship? It just seems very strange to me. But this whole notion of dating the nice guy, I think this is what we were talking about earlier. I think some guy, some girls are turned off by the guy that's, like, overly nice, not because what he's doing is wrong. It's because it's not a good fit. I think the girl either isn't attracted to him or doesn't like him. So all of those niceties are going to fall on deaf ears. If that same woman was treated the same, well, same way, nicely by someone she was attracted to, she wouldn't find any of that weird. Like people say online, like, oh, a guy coming up to you is creepy unless he's hot. That's the thing. It's like, right? It's not creepy ever, but it's, you know, girls will say, oh, well, this is unwanted. Well, it's unwanted because it's just not the right person. But if it is the right person, then it's never too much people. This is also another thing that people say on the Internet all the time. Like, you can never be too much for the right person. They'll just like you for who you are. So.

[Kyra]

And marriage is not an eternal contract to always be nice to each other and never fail. Right. It's a contract to, to fix it when somebody screws up.

[Haley Karenia]

Right? Absolutely.

[Kyra]

You're not making a commitment to make each other happy all the time.

[Haley Karenia]

Yeah, right.

[Kyra]

You're making a commitment to when somebody's not happy. Figure it out.

[Haley Karenia]

And I think social media is a huge problem with that because people see other relationships online that you would never have access to even 30 years ago. You don't know what people are. You don't know what people are talking about in their own homes. You don't know how a husband treats a wife or a wife treats a husband. And now with these couple influencer accounts, I mean, you see how, oh, he got her flowers and my husband doesn't do that for me. And, oh, he did this. Meanwhile, the influencers are doing everything for the clicks and the views and all that stuff. And I think a lot of women fall into this, like, well, I'm scrolling and I'm seeing, well, this guy did this for her and this guy. And then it's turns into this like, man hatred spiral that I think is totally having a negative impact on marriages altogether. Which brings me to Hillary Duff's sister, Haley Duff, who was proposed to 12 years ago on April Fool's Day.

[Andrew]

Their engagement could be in middle school.

[Haley Karenia]

Yes, yes, it could be.

[Andrew]

You should be trying out for the JV basketball team.

[Haley Karenia]

This is wild. So Haley Duff and her husband. No, I'm sorry, her fiance Matt Rosenberg, split after a 12 year engagement. There should be no thing, no such thing as a 12 year engagement. If someone is with you for 12 years and they have no, they're making no moves to marry you, they don't want to marry you. You are a placeholder. And I think that unfortunately Haley Duff was a placeholder for this guy. Unfortunately, they had kids in this situation. So I think maybe it's like, oh, she's pregnant. I guess I'll pop the question. I guess I'll get her to the ring. And then like the ring was enough to shut her up. And then they, this is how this all happens. They get into a 12 year engagement. And I, I, my friends have a rule, I think like after 25, I would say after maybe 26, 27, it's a two year rule. Do you subscribe to that? Like you date someone for two years and then pop the question?

[Andrew]

So I, I dated my wife for a year and then was engaged for a year. Granted, we had known each other for a little while prior, but I feel like as an adult, that's a very reasonable thing.

[Haley Karenia]

That's fast.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah, like definitely get to know

[Haley Karenia]

them, but it's not, it's not crazy by any means. And, and you already knew her before. But my, my two friends that I'm thinking of specifically, they always give me dating dating advice. They love hearing my shenanigans. And they always say you should not, at this point in your life, you should not date someone for longer than two years. Like, if you're not talking about marriage after a year and then getting engaged after two years, there's no, you got to cut it off. They just don't want it. Because I think most guys know if

[Andrew]

they, I kind of agree. I mean, I think as you're older, your life is more positioned to be able to say, okay, let's move forward in this relationship versus when you're in college, like, oh, let's wait to graduate or hey, I don't even have like a career established yet, you know, and you're doing life together A little bit more versus when you're fully grown.

[Haley Karenia]

Someone in the chat said, I disagree. Sometimes bitches be crazy, and it takes that long to figure it out. I guess sometimes people are on their best behavior in the first half of the relationship or, like, first few months or something, but I think their true colors come out after a year.

[Andrew]

My. My dating advice, and this is maybe hot take, but go on a trip

[Haley Karenia]

together, like, early on.

[Andrew]

Early on. Go on, like, a road trip or, like, you know, some kind of trip, because that's when you see, like, who that person really is. When things go sideways on a trip,

[Haley Karenia]

travel changes, flight, cancellations, traffic. Who is this person really? Do they have clear. Do they have TSA Precheck? Do they have global entry?

[Andrew]

What kind of lounge access are we

[Haley Karenia]

working with long term? I went on. I went on a trip with my ex boyfriend. This was, I don't know, like, a long time ago, but he didn't have TSA PreCheck. And I said, I'll see you at the gate. And I said, I'm happy to get you coffee. Like, I'm gonna get through first. But the line was so long, and I was like, I'm not waiting with you.

[Andrew]

I don't. That's bold, but I kind of get it. I don't know.

[Haley Karenia]

He said. He was like, I totally respect it. And he was like, actually, I really want to get clear and TSA Precheck now.

[Andrew]

So what was he supposed to do? Start start crying?

[Kyra]

My dad does that. He's the only one of the four of my family that has free check. And he blitzes right through the line.

[Haley Karenia]

That's what you're paying for. It's like, I'm paying for it. So someone in the chat said, that's messed up. Really? I got him an iced coffee on the other end. Am I. Is that really messed up of me? I hate going through security. It gives me anxiety. I have always had flight anxiety. Now I'm much better. But still, security, Like, I don't like going through security. I will pay money to get through security as fast as humanly possible. You bet your ass I'm going through my TSA Precheck. If I pay for it, I don't care. And also, like, how long is. Can he not be alone for 20 minutes? He'll be fine. I think he'll be fine.

[Andrew]

That's what I'm saying. Travel. Travel with your significant other. You will get a lot of life experiences in a very short amount of time.

[Haley Karenia]

Yeah, maybe. This is why we broke up. People in the chat are saying that I'm the asshole.

[Kyra]

No, the iced coffee at the end.

[Haley Karenia]

That, yeah, it makes up for it.

[Kyra]

It totally makes up.

[Haley Karenia]

I'm like, this gives me anxiety. I need to get out of this this as fast as humanly possible. You are going to hold me back in this moment, but I will do something nice for you at the other end. That's. People are saying that I'm selfish in the chat.

[Andrew]

Okay, somebody's got to get gate real estate. Make sure it hasn't changed. Make sure the planes there.

[Haley Karenia]

Someone's got to check to make sure that the gate exists. You know, you always don't lay eyes on it.

[Andrew]

They can leave without you.

[Haley Karenia]

It doesn't exist. You got to go. You got to see that it's there. You gotta see that on the screen. It's your flight, your destination. Okay, now I can go to the bathroom. Now I can go fill up my water bottle. Now I can get my Cheez its that I like. Now I can get the iced coffee for my boyfriend who doesn't have DSA free check.

[Andrew]

I was about to say. And this guy's just now taken off his shoes. As you're Exactly.

[Haley Karenia]

I've done all of this. I'm running circles around these people, these peasants. Anyway, thank you for scrolling along with me today. I'll. I say, I'll save this scrolling time for tomorrow. It's a good one. We'll. We'll enjoy it. There's a lot of comment sections to laugh at, so I'm excited for that. You can follow me on social media at Haley Karenia. H A Y L E Y C A R O N I A and I'll see you right back here tomorrow. Bye.