Scott Bryson (6:21)

It's good to be back on your new. Back on your show in a new slot. So thanks for having me again. But, yeah, very interesting case. Very odd in a lot of ways. I think my opinions have probably changed a little bit over the course of the last two weeks. You know, initially, like anybody else, I thought this was just your typical. I mean, that doesn't sound very good, but, you know, your run of the mill kidnapping and ransom notes and things like that. It was a little odd to me. Some of this stuff was coming. Coming in to TMZ in particular and the local stations there, which, you know, I know we can talk about that in a minute, but, you know, I have a bad feeling about this. I have no idea, you know, how this investigation is going to continue to play itself out. But to your point, there's a lot of odd things happening in that area. Of course, we know where Tucson is located geographically. I've been there at some point. It's an interesting place. There's a lot of transient types through there. My initial thought was maybe this was, you know, a gardener or someone who worked for the, you know, for the house or. Or caretaker of some sort and had an opportunity, saw an opportunity to maybe make. Make some easy money, some quick money. I don't know that I think that way anymore. It's just very bizarre, the whole thing Is odd.

Haley Karania (7:41)

Yeah, I tend to agree with you. And some authorities are saying now that this is a robbery gone wrong where maybe someone wanted to rob Nancy Guthrie. Something happened, as we know, there was her blood found at her doorstep. Right. Right by that front door. So certainly there was some kind of a struggle. Maybe. I mean, and again, I don't know, maybe she was already dying or in the process of dying from this struggle. Maybe they thought, oh, no, we hurt this woman. Oops, this wasn't what we meant to do. We just wanted to rob her. Now she's hurt. Now we have to go take her somewhere and do whatever they were going to do with her. It just seems like it maybe started somehow and it just got. It went wrong. It was something like that. And I want your opinion. Do you think that these people are professional criminals, like professional robbers, professional abductors? Do you think that these are someone who knows what they're doing, or do you think. And again, I'm saying this as a plural. I don't know why we are. The FBI put out that video of just that one person at her front door. But it seems like this is a coordinated effort. That's the feeling that I'm getting. What do you think about this? Do you think this is a lone person? Is it a criminal network and do they know what they, they're doing, or is it just idiots that got caught up in something and they thought that they could get money out of it and now they're in over their heads?

Scott Bryson (9:02)

Yeah, that's a really good question. I, I've kind of been all over the place with this thing. One day I think this way, the next day I think this way. I, I, I was talking to some buddies of mine who are still, you know, active duty police officers, investigators. And we were just kind of talking about this about a week ago, and I'm like, what do you guys think? I mean, you're actual, you're still criminal investigators. And, and the kind of. The general consensus at, at the local level, I wasn't talking to FBI folks or secret service. I was talking to some Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department guys, and they're very squared away, too. And, and this, it's almost, it's kind of counterintuitive. But they, the general consensus in the police community in my circles, it's almost like, well, we thought it was a coordinated attack. We're probably coordinated kidnapping with two people involved or three or whatever, getaway drive or something like that. But now the general consensus in my circles are it might be just a Home invasion, burglary gone, gone south. And it's, I don't know that we're ever going to find it. I certainly hope that we get, you know, this case is solved and, and justice is brought to the table. Whoever, whoever, whatever creeps did this, they need to be penalized to the fullest extent of the law. But I, I, I have a funny feeling in the end of the day this may turn out and I could be dead wrong. Okay, I've been wrong before, but I, I kind of am getting the feeling that this was just a, a home invasion slash burglary gone wrong. And maybe the guy panicked. I mean, we looked at the footage from when he was trying to get in the door. He was putting the flowers over the doorbell, and it was very bizarre the way he was acting. His backpack was so full of stuff like what is in this dude's backpack? It just seemed to me a little helter Skelter. I'm starting to get the, the vibe that maybe this was just a burglary gone south, but that doesn't, that still doesn't answer the question as to why you wouldn't just. Most of the time when this happens, sometimes people do bad things, right? They go in to steal your stuff or the robin, that's not good. They don't necessarily go in to kill you, but it escalates because the person fights back. I don't think that was the case in this situation. But guess what? When the cops show up, there's usually a body laying in the hall or the kitchen or the bedroom. Why would they, if this, if this is what I think it might have been, why would they take the body? It just, none of it makes sense to me.

Haley Karania (11:20)

Yeah, and to your point about the doorbell footage that we, we've seen, because of the FBI, they released it. You know, you can't really tell what the guy looks like. It's a guy with a bigger build. You can only see his eyes, really, a little bit of his eyebrows, but you can't tell much. Sure. You can release this kind of video and you can maybe, maybe someone would recognize the jacket or the backpack or the way he walks, something like that. But I did think it was interesting with the, the plant. My friend called me and no law enforcement background, but she just thought it seemed like he was going and looking for something. Like maybe he was looking for a key or something, and maybe the key was left in the plant. Some people leave their keys under the mat. We've talked about this, you and I, on the tactical Detail segment many times about not leaving your key under the mat because who knows who's going to be looking for it and who wants to get entry to your home. Um, but even people put their keys under potted plants and things like that. Maybe he was looking for a key, but these guys got in or this guy got in anyway. So I don't know when I see this video when he's kind of pacing around. Do you think that he was looking for a key? Do you think that maybe a key was left for him? Like, do you think that this was kind of planned in a way?

Scott Bryson (12:43)

Yeah, I mean, I definitely think it was planned based on the fact that, you know, he's got the backpacks. What's really throwing me off the ski mask. I understand it's, it's a robbery, right? But his Helter Skelter movements, he, it just seemed to me like he had this plan and I don't know how well thought out it was. At first I thought, okay, this is a well thought out plan. He's going to come up to an 84 year old woman's house, he's going to kick the door in, he's going to do his thing and get out. Most, most burglaries, they're trying to get in and get out as fast as possible, even with a kidnapping. And that's why I thought maybe there was a getaway driver in the car because she's an 84 year old woman, he could probably pick her up into a fireman's carry and get her to the car by himself. But the way he was acting jittery and pacing back and forth, you know, I don't, he didn't really strike me as a guy who might be strung out on drugs. I mean, I don't, I mean, he looked like he was a little thicker. You know, a lot of times drug addicts are thin and they're, they're kind of very frail. He didn't to me look like he was cracked out or on meth or anything like that. He definitely looks like an opportunist. An opportunist. The problem is he just, his behavior doesn't match the MO of what normal burglars. To me it just seems very, not, not very well planned out. I felt like he had, I think he maybe had a thought in his mind that this was going to happen this certain way and when it didn't, he almost, it almost looks like he's panicking a little bit. He almost bewildered as if he doesn't know what to do.

Haley Karania (14:04)

Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, it happened in the middle of the night, too. And you never know, maybe because we know from the video that this guy was armed. Maybe they said to Nancy, don't make a peep. Don't make a sound. But it seems like, from what we know, just the public seems like no neighbors heard anything. I haven't seen interviews with neighbors saying, oh, yeah, I heard a sound, or I heard this. I mean, it just seems like this happened quietly in the middle of the night. But I want your take on these ransom notes, because in the beginning of all of this, a ransom note was sent to a local Tucson news station. It was also sent to tmz. And on Friday on this show, I said, I am starting to think that the ones that are being sent to TMZ are fake because the news station in Tucson stopped getting them. But TMZ keeps getting them. And I think whoever is sending these ransom notes understands that TMZ is breathing new life into this. They're covering this nonstop. And. And, you know, maybe the local Tucson station wasn't giving them the attention that they desired. And TMZ certainly is with Harvey Levin now. It seems like with the deadlines that have passed, or it was $6 million in Bitcoin, and the first deadline was a few weeks ago. Then there was a second deadline last week, and that had passed. So now that these deadlines have passed, what does that say signal to you? Were these ransoms legit from the start? Or maybe this has changed now because maybe potentially, and I hate to say this, but Nancy Guthrie might not be alive anymore. Would that change the terms of this ransom?

Scott Bryson (15:44)

Yeah, I think possibly. The ransom notes that went to the local station at first were probably. Could have been real, because this. That, to me, signals that it's a local person who's familiar with that area, and it's not quite as sophisticated. The other things. Here's the other thing we have to consider with the TMZ piece. There's a lot of sick people in this world. We talk about it on your show all the time. And there's copycats, and there's. There's. Oh, well, here's this thing that's going on. Maybe I can make a. A person with a little bit more sophistication, because this guy, to me. And I could be dead wrong. This guy, to me, doesn't look like he knows much about bitcoin. He could, but I feel like it probably was a copycat thing, and then someone was trying to make a Quick buck. Because they think they're smarter than, you know, they. You know, you've met the people in your life that are the smartest people in the room, and these crooks think that they're. They think they're the cats. Meow. Most of the time, especially the white collar stuff, the sophisticated stuff. They don't realize what they're up against in. In terms of what the FBI can do and things like that. So I. I think it's twofold. I think. I think it was probably initially, again, this is just Scott Bryson's opinion. I don't really know. It's. The whole thing is super weird, but I feel like the initial ransom notes were probably legit, and then maybe you've got some copycat stuff in there. Maybe some people looking to make a quick buck.

Haley Karania (17:02)

Yeah, it's odd. I mean, they did arrest someone who was sending fake ransom texts to the Guthrie family, which makes me think, how did this guy get those phone numbers? It's just odd. But that guy was arrested and then released, so. So we certainly know that people are trying to monetize this tragedy for the Guthrie family, which is disgusting. But as we know, these people are disgusting. But. And all criminals, for that matter. But I'm interested in your law enforcement opinion. When you have a missing person's case, certainly time is of the essence, and certainly if you get into a vehicle, your chances of being found are probably slightly slimmer. Do you think that it's odd that this is still being treated as a missing person's case and not a recovery mission at this point? I mean, again, 84 years old, without medications, 16 days into this thing, when does this shift into a different kind of a mission? And what does that look like?

Scott Bryson (18:00)

Yeah, that's a good question. I think it probably won't shift until they get a little bit more. Right now, everything's very circumstantial. So they're probably looking for some more hardcore evidence, like some more DNA maybe. I know people have been talking about the glove, the DNA in the glove. I saw a thing earlier today where I thought it was a great point. You know, the guy had the flashlight in his mouth, and so there's probably gonna be some saliva or something, maybe even on the sidewalk there or on the outside of the glove. If, though. If the DNA matches from the glove and the flashlight or the saliva, whatever, and anything in the. In the house, that would be a tremendous clue. If that's not the case, then that's going to be like, okay, there's another curveball But I think until, until the authorities are able to rule some of those things out. I think they're, you know, some of it's hope, too. I mean, we're hoping for the best, which, of course, you know, we talk about here on your show all the time. Talk about on my podcast. Hope is not a plan. But this is past tense, right. So it's, I think, okay to hope. Right. So I know that the family is hoping for the best in the law enforcement people. We don't have any real evidence right now that I'm aware of that would indicate that she has met her demise. I certainly hope she hasn't, but I'm not feeling good about it.

Haley Karania (19:14)

Yeah. And you brought up the glove, which I, I want to talk to you about, because according to these reports that I'm reading, investigators actually picked up 16 gloves. And they're thinking that some of these gloves in the area, these black latex gloves, are just investigators dropping their gloves. So this is also not helpful. Like, is this any kind of protocol you've ever seen where investigators would be touching things or looking for things and then they would throw their own gloves on the floor? Because now we have the video of the guy on the doorbell camera, the actual suspect wearing black latex gloves. And then officials were also wearing black latex gloves. And now they're going to have to send all of these latex gloves to this lab in Florida that they're using, this private lab in Florida. Then they're going. Going to have to match the DNA to the investigators that they know. I mean, that just seems odd to me that investigators would be so careless with the gloves that they're using. But maybe I'm wrong.

Scott Bryson (20:14)

No, I don't. I hope you're not. I mean, if that's the case, that's some sloppy police work and shame on them. Not only as productive members of society are you taught from a young age not to litter, but as a crime scene investigator, you know, not to contaminate the crime scene. That's this Police Work 101. So could that be. Could you have, you know, a law enforcement officer do that? Yeah, anything's possible. I'm hoping that's highly unlikely. I. I think maybe better chance, hopefully is these things fell out of the. I mean, I don't know what was in that dude's backpack. It was so full of stuff. Maybe he had extra gloves in there. Maybe it fell out. You know, it could be a diversion. I mean, this case is very confusing to me. I, I think one of the things that should be done. And I'm hoping it's gotten some more legs. You know, the sheriff and I don't like to disparage my fellow law enforcement officers because I, I was some type of cop for 30 years, but sometimes local guys don't want to play nice in the sandbox with the, with the feds. And so I think they've come around on that because the FBI, you know, has or tremendous assets that they could help these people with. I just, I feel like sometimes our egos get in the way. I'm not saying that's the case with this guy. It just, from the cheap seats, it looked like he, like, I got it. I'm not sure he did. Yeah. So I'm hoping that that's worked itself out, but if that's the case, that's some super, super sloppy police work. And I just, I, I don't think that's the case. At least I'm telling myself it's not.

Haley Karania (21:48)

Yeah, you kind of answered my next question for me. I was curious about what it's like, especially during high profile cases, when you have these different agencies working in tandem. Is there kind of like a butting heads, like an ego thing like you said, you know, oh, we got this. And then it, it really. I've seen so many comments on social media. Why isn't the FBI taking this? Why isn't this. But it's the sheriff's office jurisdiction until the sheriff's office allows the FBI to step in. Is that how that works?

Scott Bryson (22:19)

Yeah. I mean, obviously Dan can speak to this a lot better than I can as being the number two guy over there, but. Yes, absolutely. I mean, we all have, like, the Secret Service has its purview and the FBI has its thing, and so does local jurisdiction. I mean, I don't know if this is a great analogy, but I think it is. I mean, think about when, you know, Trump wants to send in the National Guard and these mayors and these, these, the mayors and, and the local city councilor. Well, even on January 6th, like, Nancy Pelosi turned down the National Guard. Well, I mean, he, you get blamed for being a dictator, and then you get blamed for not doing things. Same thing with the FBI. It's like, well, why aren't they doing something? Well, their hands are sort of tied because, I mean, the sheriff hasn't really asked for him. And we're talking, you know, at the beginning of this thing. So I think a lot of times, unfortunately, you know, law enforcement's no different than the military or Any other high stress job? Lot of type A personalities, a lot of dudes walking around, and sometimes your ego gets the best of you. Again, I'm not casting aspersions in this particular situation because I wasn't there. I'm just saying from the cheap seats, it doesn't look good when the dude's at a basketball game and you got the FBI going, hey, put me in, coach. You know, we're here to help. So I'm, I'm, I'm hoping that that didn't slow the process down too much. But sometimes, to answer your question, yes, ego is ego. Ego plays a major role in things and that's not helpful to anybody. It's just, it's not helpful at all.

Haley Karania (23:44)

Yeah, I want to talk to you about these videos that the family has put out and now people online are putting together. And this is, this is kind of old, but I haven't talked to you about this yet. So I wanted to bring this video up because I haven't covered it on the show either. But people were juxtaposing Savannah Guthrie's message to her mother's alleged captors and a clip from the movie Silence of the Lambs. Watch this.

Savannah Guthrie (24:09)

She is full of kindness and knowledge. Talk to her and you'll see.

Haley Karania (24:17)

Catherine is very gentle and kind. Talk to her and you'll see. So does that strike you as odd to me? And I'll give you my non expert opinion. I think, and I, this is why I think this. I, I studied film in college and I actually wrote a screenplay. This was like my senior project. I wrote a thriller script and I called different detectives and police law enforcement officers because I wanted to make sure that my script was accurate. So to me, this strikes me as whoever wrote Silence of the Lambs did their research as to what these videos, what language is used in these videos. Do you think that what came first, the chicken or the egg? Do you think that they were copying Silence of the Lambs or Silence the Lambs was just really accurate?

Scott Bryson (25:08)

Oh, that's a tough one. Silence of Land was a great, great movie, by the way. And I think it was very accurate. Of course, I didn't know much about law enforcement back then, but as time has like, that's pretty, pretty accurate film. You know, a lot of times these movies are just Hollywood. You know, there's this full of Hollywood. It's very unrealistic. There are, there are some movies out there that are pretty realistic. I would have to probably say some. It's probably reverse engineered the other way. I would think someone probably, you know, gosh, who knows with AI, Some young FBI agent probably gone there. Like, you know, I'm just. I'm speculating. I don't know what would, you know, Maybe some good talking points. I. I don't think it was anything nefarious. I think it was probably. Hey, what are some. What are some good talking points? Like, it's a script, right? Because we want it. We want it to touch certain things. There are certain criteria that we want it to reach.

Haley Karania (25:56)

Right.

Scott Bryson (25:56)

But we. We want it to be short, succinct, and to the point. So I feel like it was probably. I saw it too, and I was like, what in the world? I don't know that it's malicious or anything like that. I certainly would hope not. But it definitely felt very scripted. And I think. I think that's probably the best answer I can come up with. I'm certainly hoping it's not anything nefarious. Like, you know, you've seen all the stuff on the Internet. Like, you know, we're living in a. You know. You know, we're living in the matrix. This is all, you know, scripted out. You know, there's all the things, everything staged. I don't. I'm not quite there yet, but it was definitely odd, for sure.

Haley Karania (26:36)

Yeah. I. I am starting to think that whoever scripted that video is trying to prey on the emotions. They're hoping that this person isn't completely emotionless and narcissistic and sociopathic, but they're trying to prey on those emotions, those human emotions. Talk to her, and you'll see that she's a good person. You know, we want her back, things like that. So that's kind of my take on that. I'm. I'm glad that you agree with me, but this is the video that Savannah put out yesterday on her Instagram. Take a listen to this.

Savannah Guthrie (27:11)

I wanted to come on, and it's been two weeks since our mom was taken, and I just wanted to come on and say that we still have hope and we still believe. And I wanted to say to whoever has her or knows where she is that it's never too late, and you're not lost or alone, and it is never too late to do the right thing. And we are here, and we believe, and we believe in the essential goodness of every human being, and it's never too late.

Haley Karania (28:25)

So what do you make of that language now? Because, you know, the video that they put out with Savannah and the siblings, they said, we are. We are ready to celebrate. We Understand, again, we don't know what the captors are saying or, you know, what is going on behind the scenes. But their video that they put out, we understand. We want to celebrate with our mother. And now the language of this video where it's like, we believe, you know, again, preying on, hopefully, this human inside, this human connection that they can maybe get with this person. You know, it's never too late to do the right thing. We do you think has changed since these videos?

Scott Bryson (29:03)

Yeah, I think they probably are starting to realize the dire straits that they are actually in, because time is of essence, and two weeks is not good. You know, I just really hate. I hate watching stuff like that. It's. I mean, I just feel sorry for people like that. But you make it to 84 years old and. And. And you're in your own home, that's just. That's pathetic that somebody would do. Do something like that, whether they kidnapped her or worse. You know, it's just kind of a gut punch and can see the shift in her demeanor. Like, you know, the first video or two sort of seemed a little scripted and a little. And again, I don't think it was meant to be bad. It was just like, hey, these are our talking points. Let's get it out there. Now you can see the real raw emotion and the human side of her, you know, do you think that they're trying to.

Haley Karania (29:55)

Do you think that law enforcement was behind this last video that came out yesterday, or do you think she's just kind of going rogue at this point? To me, it seems like they're being very careful. I couldn't imagine Savannah Guthrie doing anything that would, you know, hinder this. Not that posting on social media would really do that, but I think they're being very careful with their language. It seems to me like she is talking to law enforcement and consulting them when posting these videos.

Scott Bryson (30:20)

Yeah, I think that's probably pretty fair. I mean, she's probably like, hey, you know, there's probably a room full of people, right, with, you know, you got 10 people in a room. You got 10 opinions. But I think they're all trying to come together and do the right thing. And they're trying to get her, you know, some talking points, but a little bit more humanized because, like, back to the. Back to the Silence of the Lambs movie. You know, if you remember the movie, when he had her captive, he kept calling her it. So they're there. It takes the lotion from the basket. It does this. So they're trying to humanize her by repeating her name and, and having a loving, you know, compassionate tone in her voice. They're definitely trying to humanize her and, and say, listen, it's not too late. It's not too late. You know, you know, you're. Even though the person who did this is not a good person, but they're like, you know, I believe in, I believe in the good of humanity and all those things, which is probably not necessarily the case. But you're going to say what you need to say to, to try to play on this person's emotions, because unless this person is just a complete sociopath, they are human and they do have emotions and they're hoping, I would, I would assume they're hoping to play on those human emotions from the, from the captor.

Haley Karania (31:27)

Absolutely. Well, Scott Bryson, thank you so much for being here and breaking down these latest details. You know, it's unfortunate. Seems like they've had people in custody or they detained people and then they released them. So it seems like anything that happened over the weekend, I, I know that they went to some house nearby and they had detained a mother and maybe a son. Son. They detained someone else and I know that they. Authorities have now taken in a Range Rover for more testing. So maybe more details to come in this certainly. And I'll have you back when we have some more information to dive into. But I appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much.

Scott Bryson (32:05)

Yes, ma'.

Haley Karania (32:06)

Am.

Scott Bryson (32:06)

Thank you for having me.

Haley Karania (32:07)

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Haley Karania (33:57)

Safety tips that you could ever need. All right, well, on Friday, students at Enumclaw High School in Washington state st stage this anti ice walkout. We've seen this before. And take a look at this situation. Why are you threatening me? Why should I be? Why should I be scared if my family's gonna die ass and all? You.

Scott Bryson (34:20)

What'd you say?

Haley Karania (34:21)

I said what I said. You dab. You might want to rehear the video. Learn how to use your ears. You look dead. No, I just wanted to confirm it so we. So I made sure I heard what I was saying. Thank you. Okay, so my initial reaction to this is discussion gust if you could tell by my face, these kids are trashy. And honestly, they look like they smell bad, like they really, really do. I don't know if their parents are very involved. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Who knows if their parents knew if they were protesting or not. I hope that they had no idea. I saw online, I think it was Laura Ingram posted Is is this a parenting issue or is this a school issue? It's both. It is absolutely both. And this kind of protesting, though it doesn't strike strike me as well informed kids trying to make a difference. This to me, especially among high school students, strikes me as it was something to do. It was something to do. These kids look like they skip class anyway. And I have been consistent on this. All of these walkouts, you're telling me a high school student wouldn't do anything to get out of class? Even the good kids. Oh, we're all going to go outside and protest the current thing and. And it's nice out and we're all going to get outside and you don't have to sit at your desk. You just get to go out and get some fresh air. Any kid is taking them up on that regardless if they know what they're protesting or not. Seriously, this is a bunch of followers, not leaders. The this is an opportunity to get out of class for them. And I'm sure their woke teachers don't know where they are or they either don't care or they encourage this kind of behavior. And honestly, based on this video, I'm sure the teachers are probably thrilled but that these hooligans aren't in their classes for the day. But this is just a bunch of kids in my opinion, going through the motions. They get to make their sign. They are not leaders. They are followers. They see adults in Los Angeles and Minneapolis and Portland and so on. They are doing this stuff and they are following suit. And then they scroll on social media when they get home from school and they see celebrities telling their followers that if you support ICE, you are racist and nobody wants to be called that. So it's very easy for these young impressionable kids to pick their team out of fear. All of these kids fear cancel culture. They fear losing followers, their status, clout. Friends. This is what this is all about. It is about friend groups and cliques following each other in school. But this video was reportedly taken by an independent journalist who is covering the protests. And you can see in that video how quickly the mob turns on the journalists. All of these leftists are all about legal observing until someone starts observing them, then they get angry. Then once they get the idea that this person might be against us, they turn angry almost immediately. And the Enem Club Police department posted a statement on Facebook and this is what they said. Officers were informed of a recent unprovoked assault that had been captured on video. Officers determined that there was a probable cause to detain the assault suspect and attempted to stop the individual. The suspect fled resulting in a foot pursuit. And when officers attempted to arrest the juvenile female suspect, approximately 25 protesters surrounded the officers. As officers escorted the suspect, protesters continued to crowd officers direct significantly derogatory remarks towards them. And and during this time a second juvenile female protesters was was arrested for obstructing law enforcement officer and interfering with the initial arrest. So the law enforcement officers there are recommending charges for fourth degree assault, obstruction, resisting arrest and obstruction for the second kid that jumped in and trying who was trying to obstruct the the arrest that was going on the minors have been released but now this video has gone viral of one of the teens Arrests. And it is glorious. Watch this. I want my mommy crying. Not so tough. Now, you were grown enough to obstruct law enforcement. That's an adult crime. And you were grown enough to assault people. And you were grown enough to get in the middle of an arrest taking place. Then you're held accountable, and then you need your mommy. If I had to guess, these kids don't even know what they're protesting really. They're getting caught up in it. They have no idea that they're even breaking the law. They see all of these protesters on social media. Again, adults, grown adults in Los Angeles, Minneapolis, wherever, in all these blue cities that should know better, but they don't. And then they're setting the example for all these little libtards in training. They're just little libtards in training. They're going to grow up to be protesters. They're going to grow up to be adult activists who are just as dumb, violent, and seemingly unaware of what the laws are. And again, a lot of these activists don't understand that threatening law enforcement is a crime, including this one. Watch.

Protester (39:55)

You can just kill ICE agents. You know that? Oh, you can just kill them. You don't have to hold your phone in their face and ask people when their birthday is and ask people what their name is. Try to find wherever they end up in Los Angeles, you can kill them. This isn't about social media clout anymore. This isn't about video. This isn't about the phone. This is about get a gun and start killing ICE agents. They are deputized corrections officers.

Haley Karania (40:23)

Kill them.

Haley Karania (40:25)

Okay, yeah. Lots of things to break down here. First of all, septum piercing theory remains undefeated. If they have a septum piercing, they're crazy. And this is crazy. Justin was asking, is this a man or a woman? Can we play this again? With men these days, you just never know because they have such low testosterone that a lot of these gay men and other genderqueer people, you really can't really tell. This is definitely a woman, but I do find it interesting that she's shirtless in the video.

Haley Karania (40:59)

I think definitely might be a little strong. I don't know.

Haley Karania (41:03)

You think this is a man? Listen to the voice. Play it again.

Protester (41:10)

You don't have to hold your phone in their face and ask people when their birthday is and ask people what their name is and then try to find wherever they end up in Los Angeles.

Haley Karania (41:20)

I think it's a woman. I think it's a woman. I think that's a feminine voice. I don't even think with testosterone or estrogen or whatever.

Haley Karania (41:30)

Look at the chest, though. I mean, we're, like, dissecting this.

Haley Karania (41:33)

I know. Now we're really getting deep in here. Yeah. She has no boobs. Did she get them taken off? These are pecs.

Haley Karania (41:43)

Yeah.

Scott Bryson (41:43)

Yeah. Guy.

Haley Karania (41:46)

I've never really seen a trans person, though, get their voice so high that it seemed natural. You can usually tell when they used to be a man.

Haley Karania (41:54)

I mean, shoulders up, it's a woman, but shoulders down. This is quite the conversation.

Haley Karania (42:02)

I have no idea. This is why, again, they will reach.

Haley Karania (42:07)

Out and ask for comments.

Haley Karania (42:08)

Yeah, not even a comment. Hey, do you regret saying to kill ICE officers? No.

Savannah Guthrie (42:13)

No.

Haley Karania (42:13)

What are you, man or woman? What are you? Yeah, that's weird.

Haley Karania (42:18)

I didn't even remember that viral video of the. The young black girl asking the guy at the gas station, are you a man? No. Are you a woman? No, you crackhead.

Haley Karania (42:27)

No, I don't remember that.

Haley Karania (42:29)

I just watched it the other. I'll find it for you.

Haley Karania (42:30)

Okay, well, we'll blind react to it at some point this week. We have that to look forward to. But these people are crazy. And I always say this. They call themselves transgender because they're. They never get to their destination, right? Even if you go through all of the surgeries, facial feminization surgery, if you chop your penis off or you chop your boobs off or whatever, you never get to the destination. So you can tell that they're transgender because they're somewhere in the middle. It's this gray area between genders. This is why they come up with, like, the gender queer stuff, because it's just a. It's a gray area of you're not a man anymore, you're not a woman anymore. You're just somewhere in the middle. I mean, you're obviously, you are what you were born, but then you look like somewhere in the middle with all of this surgeries and other treatments and whatever. It's crazy. But they're. They're transgender because they're, you know, they're on a journey going one way or another. Don't know where they're coming from or where they're going, but. Yeah, but let's get into the violence of all this, right? A lot of trans people, by the way, and I don't know if this person is trans or not. I really have no idea. We're all very confused about what's going on here anyway. But the trans people specifically are very violent. The leftists are violent anyway. But the trans ones in particular we covered this last week. They're. They're shooting up schools, they're on this cocktail of medications. They're undiagnosed most of the time, when. Or they're on SSRIs for anxiety and whatnot. But then their gender dysphoria isn't treated. It's affirmed. So these people are just really set up for failure. They're just mental ill. They're just head cases, really. And the violence part, though, is concerning, especially on the left. You have this person in this video. I was so confident that's a woman. And now after seeing the chest, now I really have no idea. I really have no clue. I don't know, man. But anyway, this person thinks that is justified to kill people for no reason. And the hypocrisy and all of that is. Then why are they protesting in the streets, protesting the deaths of Renee Good and Alex Preddy? Because if I'm using their logic, their logic says you don't even need a reason to kill ice. You don't even need a reason to kill someone else. And they use the same logic to promote abortion. By the way, it's not a baby. It's just human cells. You could just kill it. I mean, they are killing. They're killing machines. They're. They're murderers. And they're, they're actually on social media telling other people, yeah, you don't even need a reason to go kill ice. You could just kill someone. So I don't understand, like with Renee Good and Alex Preddy, I mean, obviously the ICE agents, you can tell in both of these videos that the deaths were justified because the law enforcement officers certainly feared for their lives. Especially in the Renee Good case. Alex Preddy is a little more gray area. But with Renee Good, I mean, she literally stepped on the gas into an ICE officer. It's no shock that she was killed. Unfortunate. I don't like to see anyone die. But, you know, actions have consequences. So all of the left standards are double standards. They get on the social media apps, TikTok, Instagram, whatever. They're making videos. Go kill people for no reason. And then they're in the streets because someone was killed, in their opinion, for no reason. Make it make sense. It's. It's rules for the. Not for me. And I hope that this person is paid a visit by law enforcement because you cannot threaten to kill people on social media and encourage others to join you and think that you're going to sit back like a tough they them because rules don't apply to You. They also apply to they them and should be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But not all protesters are violent. Some are just embarrassing theater kids with a desperate need for a creative outlet, like these folks. You come for my neighbors, you will have to come through me. If you come for my neighbors, you will have to come through me. If you come through me for my neighbors, you will have to come through me. If you come for my neighbors, you will have to come through me. Cause there ain't no room for fascists in our community. Cuz there ain't no room for fascists in our community. So if you come for my neighbors, you will have to come through me. If you come for my neighbors, you will have to come love through me. The girl behind the singing is wearing a shirt that says, no illegal is stolen Illegal on stolen land or something. No person. That's like our new favorite slogan. I love it. No person is illegal on stolen land. And then the person in the back had a sign that said, no more Mr. Ice. What does that mean?

Haley Karania (47:25)

It says, no more Mr. Ice guy.

Haley Karania (47:28)

Oh, that makes more sense. Sorry, the tranny's head's in the way. I didn't see it. I couldn't read the full sign. No more Mr. Ice Guy makes a lot more sense. I was like, no more Mr. Ice. What does that mean? Okay, all right, behind the.

Haley Karania (47:41)

I'll give you Weird Al.

Haley Karania (47:43)

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. This is again. Is it a man trying to be a woman? Yeah, right. That's a man trying to be a woman. Or is it a woman trying to be a man? I don't know. You can never tell. You can never tell. But again, they're singing, Ice is coming for your neighbors. And your neighbors might be pedophiles and rapists. So in that case, is it okay? Can. Can you let ICE into your neighborhoods to clean up the neighborhoods? If you ask them, they're going to say no. And people are not going to want to go through this tranny. Uh, they're just not going to want to. Another really unhinged form of protest is people online. They are using American Girl dolls to protest. They are dressing them up in anti ice outfits. And this is. This is why I'm embarrassed to be a millennial. And this is why I identify as Gen Z. Because I grew up in the American Girl Doll era. I did not have an American Girl doll myself. I actually had a my twin doll, which is part of the American Girl Doll universe. But it's not an official American Girl doll. They make an American Girl doll look like you. But the traditional American Girl dolls are kids. Samantha Josephine, Kirsten. And they all have a different backstory. It's like the Daughters of America. One grew up in the Great Depression, another one is a Native American. They just have. It's like, you know, whatever. They have a whole backstory. And now these, I'm assuming, millennial influencers are taking their American Girl dolls that I guess they still have, and they're dressing them up. So we could take a look at these. They're in the F ice T shirts and they're dressed up as ice police. And, you know, why would you put an American Girl doll in such a thigh high fishnet stockings with a garter and a short. I mean, it's just a little odd, right? They call us pedophiles and they're the ones playing with dolls. I'm just, I'm just pointing out that, that point. But anyway, as millennials, the ice policeman.

Haley Karania (49:55)

Has a magic wand instead of a.

Haley Karania (49:57)

A baton, a night stick.

Haley Karania (49:59)

Night stick.

Haley Karania (49:59)

Thank you. Yeah, no, it is a magic wand. That's so funny. With the magic wand, they're making all the rapists go away. That's, that's the, the magic trick that the ice officers are doing. With a swipe of my magic wand, all of the rapists and pedophiles and criminals just go away. And that's, honestly, that's what they're doing. If they just let them do their jobs. Ice agents, they are magical in a way. They are doing very important work. And these influencers are just, they're getting in the way. The influencers, the protesters. Anyway, I want to read you a little bit of this Rolling Stone article. It says, as millennials who owned the dolls have grown up and had children and nostalgia has driven clicks on social media, an entire American Girl subculture has developed. Influencers started visiting the American Girl Doll Cafe, dubbing it Disneyland for literary girls and gays. Then Saturday Night Live dedicated a sketch to the dolls. Trauma bonding over tea in 2022. And during the 2024 election, some doll fluencers. That's a real terminology. That's, that's, that's what Rolling Stone is calling these people. Doll fluencers use their accounts to share political news and speak out against the return of President Donald J. Trump. And they really showed him, by the way, these doll fluencers, they really scared President Trump. They win. Um, but here's another quote that I found interesting. We've been radicalizing since the 90s, and if you're not. You're not experiencing the historical side of American Girl and what they teach. Then they said. It clicked in my head. I knew that if she was real, the doll was real, and in some weird time warp, she would be against ice. The girls would not be tolerating what is happening in this country. Yeah, you're a total crazy person. If you have dolls, if you are a grown adult and you have any form of a doll, you are weird. You are just weird. If you collect them, if you keep them, certainly if you dress them up and make them spout whatever political views you believe in, that is weird. This is an offshoot of Disney adults. The Disney adults are evolving. It is some sort of unresolved childhood trauma or some kind of a chemical imbalance in their brain that is making grown women play with dolls for political purposes. Again, not normal. I just want to say, again, we are not the ones playing with dolls. We are not the ones going to children's amusement parks. We are. That is you guys. That is the left. That is you guys. For the record, you guys, not us.

Haley Karania (52:42)

What about. What about grandma's doll that she has on the shelf for the last 30 years?

Haley Karania (52:47)

Is that okay if it's an heirloom or something? Fine.

Haley Karania (52:51)

Okay, good.

Haley Karania (52:52)

But again, it's not just.

Haley Karania (52:54)

I mean, they're definitely creepy. Like, grandma's dolls are always creepy.

Haley Karania (52:56)

Yeah, but it's not just the doll. These people are dressing them up in political statement shirts.

Haley Karania (53:01)

Grandma's doll definitely does not have a magic wand that says Ice Out.

Haley Karania (53:05)

Yeah, Grandma's doll is not wearing a Fuck ICE T shirt, actually. And if you make a T shirt for your dolls, again, a graphic T shirt with political statements on your dolls, you are not normal. You're not normal.

Haley Karania (53:19)

You're not normal. I think we could say we'd rather you do that than protest. ICE on the streets, though.

Haley Karania (53:25)

Sure. It's harmless. Again, peaceful protests, I'm fine with. I just think that all forms of protests are a waste of time. And that has been my stance on this from the very beginning. I've been very clear that I think that if you are protesting, you are wasting time. There is something that you could do with your time that is much more useful. So, sure, I would much rather you dress up your American Girl doll in a Fuck ICE T shirt than rev your engine into an ICE officer and get your head blown off. I would much rather that. Yes, there you go. Now, this liberal again. We see this with a lot of celebrities. We saw Ellen, Eva Longoria. Now, I Just saw Angelina Jolie. Maybe I'll cover this on the show tomorrow. Angelina Jolie is looking for houses abroad. They all want to escape Trump. But I found this interesting because this liberal was afraid of Trump and wanted to become Canadian. And you'll. You'll notice in this video something very, very interesting. Watch this.

Scott Bryson (54:23)

You're gonna go into that building an American, and you're gonna come out a Canadian. I'm gonna go into that building an American, and I'm gonna come out in a Canadian.

Haley Karania (54:35)

Bandit Theodore. All right, big smiles, everyone. How does it feel to be Canadian?

Scott Bryson (54:41)

It feels great. I feel like instantly changed, you know, on the drive home, I was letting everyone in front of me and then we went to go get lunch and it was completely crowded. So I was like, I'll come back. And I just. I've fully embraced being a Canadian already.

Haley Karania (55:00)

Just a nicer person. But I find it interesting, you know, you hate America so much and then they leave, but they respect immigration laws of the country that they're going to. He went about it the right way. That's quite literally all we're asking for here. They call us racist when we are asking people to do exactly what that man just did. Why don't they go try to jump Canada's border and then fly under the radar for 20 years and Booch off of their government? Why not do that? That's what they're advocating for when they're out in the streets, when with their FI signs, they're protecting people that have done this the wrong way, they let their documentation lapse. Or they are border jumpers who are just career criminals and then they're here wreaking havoc again. Why not just go to Canada and jump the border if that's what you think is fine? If you're defending these people who are coming here the wrong way, why didn't you go to Canada the wrong way? They respect laws. They just don't respect ours. It's crazy.

Haley Karania (56:00)

Now, in fairness, Canada, no one wants to go to Canada.

Haley Karania (56:04)

Yeah, everyone wants to come here.

Haley Karania (56:06)

No one wants to go to it. There's a very long line to come here. This guy. What do you say? The long lines who went and got lunch and went back.

Haley Karania (56:11)

Yeah, yeah. The. It's much easier, I guess, to become Canadian. No one really wants. That's a party that no one wants to be invited to really, at this point.

Haley Karania (56:20)

But don't come back.

Haley Karania (56:21)

Yeah, no, no, don't come back. America's closed. Maybe he'll come back and he'll jump the border.

Haley Karania (56:29)

And then vote.

Haley Karania (56:30)

He'll find some Canadian drug cartel and they'll bring him across our southern border. That's what he'll do whenever he's sick of Canada. I love it. Let's get into scrolling. I feel like I dance less in this chair because I'm leaning back so much that I would really have to get up and get my arms into it. It's just low energy in this chair. I'm so comfortable. This first one, this is a video. We tried to play this last week. I don't know what happened, but Justin sent this one to me, and this is what history class would be like in 2116. Watch.

Narrator/Announcer (57:17)

Yeah, I just. I just have one question with number 17 here. When it asks us who the 46 president was, do you want us to say Joe Biden?

Scott Bryson (57:23)

Right.

Narrator/Announcer (57:24)

Because I know a few units later, it covered that. Those files that we talked about in unit 20, it talked about how he really wasn't who he said who they said he was, and he was just dying a mask. So do you want. Is that a trick question or. It's just one more thing here when. When it talks about the pandemic that swept the nation in 2020. You wanted to say covet.

Haley Karania (57:41)

Right.

Narrator/Announcer (57:41)

Even though in that same unit with files, it technically said that it was all planned and fake. So I'm just. Is this all a trick test? Like, I'm really confused what's going on here. One more question. By any chance, are these Textbooks made by McGraw Hill, per chance or. They are.

Haley Karania (57:58)

He's like, they are. You know it is. I know this is a joke, but it does beg the question. The conspiracy theorists have known the truth for a long time, and then the truth comes out. But the kids in school never really get the truth unless their parents are totally awake. Right. Unless your kids are homeschooled, you're never really going to know. Unless your kids are deep on a Reddit thread, you're really never going to know the truth. Your kids have to go to Reddit University. They have to go to TikTok Rabbit Hole University to find out what really happened with the Epstein files, with QAnon, with. What else did they say? The COVID Joe Biden in a mask. Like, you need 16 hours of screen time to even understand these conspiracy theories. I feel like. And no school teacher is gonna cut it. Unless, of course, I'm your school teacher. Then we will get into all of these things. If I ever have kids and I homeschool them, they're gonna know it all they are just. They're gonna know it all. All right, this next one is a question to some of these protesters. You know, they're out there protesting ice. Why not protest the IRS instead? Watch.

Scott Bryson (59:06)

I wish people hated the IRS as much as they hate ice. I swear, them protests are really get some shit accomplished.

Haley Karania (59:14)

It is interesting. You know, these people claim to hate the government, but the left will never protest the IRS because they love taxes. They love taxes. They love raising taxes. And they need taxes, high taxes at that, to pay for all of their freebies and BS that they want the Democrat politicians to do. So they will Never protest the IRS. They love the IRS. Remember when Biden had 80,000 new IRS agents? 80,000 new IRS agents. They are all about big government and taxing us out the wazoo.

Haley Karania (59:49)

Do you remember the IRS job listing where it said you must be able to handle a weapon?

Haley Karania (59:54)

No, that's crazy. Really?

Haley Karania (59:58)

Yes.

Haley Karania (60:01)

Wow, that's wild. All right, what time is it? Let's do. Let's do these cute dog ones. This is a dog who. His owner, I guess, or child owner is going back to college, and he's very sad. Watch. Bye, scott. I know, puppy. I gotta go. You gotta let me go. Don't go. Don't go back to college. Got you. She got a two. She just. I'm going have to leave it alone. Oh, it's so cute. Plot twist. The dog is so awake and so based that it knows that colleges are indoctrination camps and the. They are trying to protect their. Their puppy brother from getting indoctrinated by libtards. That's what's really happening in that video. All right, last one. This is just. This is so sweet. It's so wholesome. It's a dog playing with a little girl in the backyard. Just a wonderful sight to see. Watch. The do. I don't even know what this is. It's kind of like a flying saucer swing type thing hanging from the tree. And the dog is swinging his little puppy sister around. Human sister, I should say. Puppy sister is the one swinging them around. I thought that was so cute. Justin said he's surprising me with a blind reaction at the end. So it's the.

Haley Karania (62:01)

The training video I told you about.

Haley Karania (62:02)

Oh, okay. Let's see it. Is he a what? Molly?

Haley Karania (62:09)

No.

Haley Karania (62:10)

Little girl?

Savannah Guthrie (62:11)

No.

Haley Karania (62:12)

Say nothing.

Protester (62:14)

Yeah.

Haley Karania (62:19)

So you're nothing. And then he goes, you're a crackhead. Same thing. I would that transgender to me looked more like a boy. I'm kind of shocked probably. I'm kind of shocked that the kid even knew that it was trans. I don't know. I don't know. These kids are. They've got, like, Spidey senses tingling. I don't know.

Haley Karania (62:38)

You crack it. Yes.

Haley Karania (62:40)

Yes. Are you a boy? No. Are you a girl? No. Are you nothing? Yes. Are you a crackhead? No answer. All right, thanks for scrolling along with me. You can follow me on social media at Haley Karania on X, on Truth Social, TikTok and Instagram. And now I'm posting on Facebook. I just connect.

Haley Karania (63:00)

Pigs flying.

Haley Karania (63:01)

Pigs are flying. I'm never going to be on threads ever. Never, ever, ever. However, I was sent a tip from the social media team and they said you could just click a button where all of your Instagram posts go to your Facebook because it's like, all meta connected. And in the beginning I just thought that that was lame because I don't use Facebook, but I don't know, here I am. So you can follow my page, I guess, and. Or you can just follow me on Instagram and it's the same stuff, but. But anyway, thanks for scrolling along with me and I will see you right back here tomorrow. Bye.