California Politics Are a Hot Mess - Scrolling w/ Hayley (Ep. 298)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Scrolling with Hayley

Episode 298: California Politics Are a Hot Mess

Host: Hayley Caronia | Date: May 13, 2026

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Main Theme

Hayley Caronia offers her sharp-witted, unapologetic conservative take on the latest dramas in California politics, controversial pop-culture casting choices, and the complexities (and perceived absurdities) of modern relationship trends. This episode’s through line: California’s political leadership and leftist cultural trends are in disarray, characterized by scandal, hypocrisy, and a lack of common sense.

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Episode Breakdown

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1. California Mayoral Race: Spencer Pratt vs. the Democrats

(Begins at ~06:00)

• Spencer Pratt’s candidacy: The former reality TV star, known for being a “villain,” is running for LA Mayor on a platform of “common sense”—increased police funding, jailing criminals, emergency preparedness, and anti-NGO corruption.
• Hayley notes that Democrat opponents (incumbent Karen Bass, Councilwoman Nithya Raman) have nothing to offer but “anti-Trump hysteria,” despite Trump having no direct involvement in local LA politics.
  • Quote (07:00): “Democrats have absolutely nothing to run on except for ‘I hate Trump.’ And newsflash: Trump isn’t running for LA Mayor!” – Hayley
• Both major opponents drop out of a scheduled debate after learning Pratt wouldn’t attend, leading Hayley to quip that he clearly “runs the show.”
• Raman’s “fascism” accusation: Nithya Raman publicly brands Pratt “a fascist” and “mini-Trump.”
  • Quote (06:15): “Spencer Pratt is a fascist Mini Trump.” – Nithya Raman (clip replayed by Hayley)
  • Hayley mocks this tactic, arguing it’s lazy, overused, and ultimately meaningless after years of political name-calling.
  • Quote (09:07): “Democrats call people fascists so often it’s completely— It’s lost its meaning 100%.” – Hayley

Key Moments & Commentary

• 08:58 Co-host observes how words like “fascism” have become so watered down as to be useless, likening Democrats’ rhetoric to a “boy who cried wolf” scenario.

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2. Chinese Influence in California: The Arcadia Mayor Scandal

(Begins at 10:53)

• Hayley covers the headline about former Arcadia Mayor Eileen Wang, who pleaded guilty to acting as a Chinese agent while in office—allegedly peddling communist propaganda and downplaying Uyghur genocide.
  • Wang’s defense: she supposedly stopped her activities as soon as she was sworn in—a claim the host ridicules.
  • Quote (12:57): “She gave up her life of being a communist as soon as she became mayor?… I don’t believe that for one second.” – Hayley
• The story is used to highlight a broader fear that local offices are vulnerable to foreign influence, especially in districts with concentrated immigrant populations.
• Discussion expands to Chinese presence at the state level, including Governor Newsom’s high-profile hospitality for President Xi Jinping, with Hayley lambasting Democrats for only “cleaning up” cities for elite visitors and not their own constituents.
  • Quote (16:34): “All of a sudden, all of California is going to be run by Communist China, which, honestly, is not too far off with Gavin Newsom at the helm.” – Hayley

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3. The California Gubernatorial Race: Javier Becerra Under Fire

(Begins at 18:54)

• The field has shifted following Eric Swalwell’s #MeToo fallout.
• Front-runner Javier Becerra—former HHS secretary and “vaccine mandator in chief”—is scrutinized for his COVID-era leadership.
  • Hayley plays a KTLA interview clip showing Becerra defensive and insecure, dodging “tough questions” about his record.
    • Quote (19:18): “He is scared… She runs a tight ship. She’s like, I’d like to get started.” – Hayley, on Becerra vs. the interviewer
  • Hayley highlights a fact-check moment: Becerra denies NYT reporting about 85,000 missing migrant children during his tenure, trying to dismiss the claim as “Trump talking points.”
    • Quote (21:06): Hayley: “She’s like, these are from the New York Times. And that’s when you know it’s bad.”
• Becerra lacks meaningful endorsements from the Biden or Harris camps, and criticism from other top Democrats is played.
  • Sochi Inahosa (Dem commentator, ex-Biden DOJ): “Can I tell you, after working in Joe Biden’s administration, I do not trust Javier to [stand up to Trump].” (24:06)
• Politico article cited: Becerra is widely derided by former colleagues as “ineffective,” unable to answer Biden’s questions, and currently being “dragged in the group chat.”
  • Quote (31:22): “If Biden is peppering you with questions and you cannot answer them, you’re cooked.” – Hayley

Meta-Analysis

• Democrats, Hayley argues, are obsessed with “standing up to Trump” even when Trump isn’t immediately relevant to the state races, and lack direction beyond this fixation.
  • Quote (26:53): “It’s blind Trump hatred and it’s not very forward thinking. The party has no purpose beyond hating Trump.”

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4. Hollywood’s “Woke” Casting: Nolan’s Odyssey and Ellen (Elliot) Page as Achilles

(Begins at 34:23)

• Discusses Christopher Nolan’s forthcoming Odyssey adaptation, rumored to cast trans actor Elliot (Ellen) Page as Achilles and Lupita Nyong’o as Helen of Troy.
• Hayley and co-host debate the fit of Page as the “strongest, fastest, most handsome” Greek warrior, finding it an odd (and implausible) choice.
  • Quote (39:53): “I do not think of a 5'1” transgender [person] as the strongest and fastest [warrior].” – Hayley
• Broader critique of “representation” culture and Hollywood’s double standard: race/gender swapping is acceptable in one direction but not another.
  • Quote (45:42): “If they were being honest… they’d be demanding a white, blonde, Greek woman play Helen of Troy. But they’re not consistent.”
• Hayley states she doesn’t personally care about actors playing outside of their identity but finds the inconsistency and Hollywood hypocrisy worth calling out.

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5. “Throuples,” Open Relationships, and the Boundaries of Modern Dating

(Begins at 48:00)

• Hayley highlights a Bustle roundup of people in open or polyamorous relationships with “ultra-specific boundaries” (e.g., restrictions on with whom their partner can sleep, monetary limits on dating expenses, TV show exclusivity).
  • Quote (49:56): “If she’s for the streets, she’s not your girlfriend. Like, just say you’re not in a relationship.”
• Hayley and co-host mock these “self-inflicted struggles,” framing them as symptoms of insecurity and lack of self-respect.
• Touches on comedian Nikki Glaser’s viral comments about allowing physical cheating but not “emotional cheating”:
  • Quote (57:47): Nikki Glaser: “I literally wouldn’t care if my husband… had sex with her for a night. I just wouldn’t care.”
• Hayley draws the line at emotional connections and finds the rules arbitrary and ultimately sad, positing that “people are very insecure and hate themselves.”

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6. Memorable Quotes & Segment Highlights

• On Democrats’ rhetoric:

  • “They just have a bunch of frickin morons. It’s crazy.” (33:54, Hayley)

• On political name-calling:

  • “They all fall for these same false talking points. It’s not true and she knows that.” (07:47)

• On Hollywood casting:

  • “As long as the person can look the part and act the part, who cares? It’s acting.” (45:06)

• On open relationships:

  • “It’s giving prostitution. Very much so. Weirdos. Absolute weirdos.” (55:19)

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Important Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------| | Spencer Pratt, branding him “mini-Trump,” Democrats’ debate walkout | 06:00–08:58 | | “Fascism” accusation and political name-calling discussion | 06:20–09:29 | | Chinese agent mayor scandal, implications for local politics | 10:53–16:34 | | Becerra’s hostile interviews, Biden admin drama, criticism from Sochi Inahosa | 18:54–33:23 | | Hollywood woke casting and cultural hypocrisy debate | 34:23–47:54 | | Open relationships, throuples, Nikki Glaser’s polyamory take | 48:00–60:39 |

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Tone & Style

Hayley’s delivery throughout is punchy, irreverent, and heavy on sarcasm. She ridicules “woke” culture, points out hypocrisy, and presses conservative talking points with biting humor while maintaining casual, conversational banter with her co-host.

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In a Nutshell

This episode dissects the chaos of California’s political landscape—iconic of broader national trends—and uses examples from pop culture and modern relationships to call out what Hayley views as left-wing hypocrisy, confusion, and moral decline, all with her trademark unapologetic candor.

Transcript

[Haley Carnea]

Hello and welcome to Scrolling with Haley. I'm Haley Carnea. California Politics Woo. They are getting quite messy as lackluster Democrat candidates scramble for relevancy amid scandals and poor records. Then transgender actor Ellen Page is reportedly being considered to play Achilles in the Odyssey. Who better to play a strong Greek soldier than a woman? I can't think of anyone else. Plus, throuples are complaining about jealousy in their complicated relationships. Completely self inflicted struggles. By the way. Quick reminder to subscribe to this show if you're already watching live. I don't have to tell you twice. You already know that rumble.com Haley is the only place to watch this show live at noon. If you can't watch us live, you can still watch on Rumble whenever you want. And then of course you can watch and listen on Spotify and listen on your favorite podcast platform. Those audio episodes are available right after this show ends live. However, wherever you watch, I appreciate it. Just tell a friend. And of course support our sponsors. Spring is finally here and with it becomes brighter mornings, fuller days, a much bigger focus on rest, and between allergy season and a packed schedule. You know, you know me, you gotta sleep well. It's better to get up in the morning and go to the gym. I am trying to get my workouts in, of course, so there is nothing better than a full night's sleep. Sleep. I get to wake up. I feel very rested. And the Helix sleep mattresses are so incredible. Truly they are. I'm sleeping on the midnight luxe one. I've been sleeping on it for a few months now and my night sleep is perfect. I wake up feeling very rested. I'm ready to go, ready to get my workout in. I have no night sweats, my back feels supported. It's incredible. I'm on the Midnight Lux one and if you go to helixsleep.com of course you get a discount 27% off site wide. And what really sets Helix apart is how personalized it is. They offer up to 20 different mattress options and they use a quiz to match you to the right mattress. No guessing involved. And of course my night's sleep is so great you won't need the warranty. But if you do, there's a 120 night sleep trial and they're happy with Helix guarantee. So go to helixsleep.comhaley for for 27% off site wide exclusive for my listeners. That is helixsleep.comhaley For 27% off. Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know that I sent you helix sleep.com Haley all right, put your phones on. Do not disturb. The show starts now. As we know, former reality TV villain Spencer Pratt is running for LA Mayor. He has lived the consequences of poor Democrat policies and now he's running on a common sense platform that common sense people can get behind. You know, funding the police, putting criminals in jail, having emergency preparedness plans in place, don't launder money through NGOs, normal stuff like that. And I told you on Monday's show that Spencer's opponents are doing everything in their power to tie Spencer to maga, to tie him to Trump by any means necessary. Because Democrats cannot win when running on their own records because they're so poor. And Democrats don't have common sense policies that can rival Spencer's. Democrats have absolutely nothing to run on except for I hate Trump. And newsflash, Trump isn't running for LA Mayor and but that's been their political strategy for the last decade. You know, know, anti Trump, I hate Trump, Orange man, bad, whatever. It's getting old, it's getting tired. And Democrats, they sure do hate Trump. But is that enough to get them to the polls when they're living in a filthy crime ridden areas, stepping over homeless people, human feces, needles and trash? Especially when Donald Trump has nothing to do with any of those things. And Donald Trump would probably love to help. Donald Trump would actually probably love to send in the National Guard to clean things up like he did in D.C. but they'd never let him. Remember, President Trump wanted to send in the National Guard to clean up all those no Kings protests. And they were like, no, no. It actually made the protests worse. They started throwing rocks and stuff and cinder blocks at law enforcement. So they are very anti law enforcement over there. But Spencer Pratt has performed very well in the mayoral debates against incumbent Mayor Karen Bass and Councilwoman Nithya Rahman. And what Spencer has over them is that he's a political outsider, so he's on offense. They have to defend their poor records. And Spencer, all he has to do is expose them. And he's doing so masterfully, I may add, with a swell of support on social media. His opponents are scared and they are scrambling. And I told you that Karen Bass had dropped out of the bait the debate because Spencer wasn't going to be there tonight. And Nithya Rahman has also dropped out of the debate. Come on. It's like he clearly runs the show.

[Co-host or Guest]

He has the chance to do the funniest thing.

[Haley Carnea]

Come back. Totally, totally. I agree. I think it would be awesome. If he just. He's like, no competition, and it's just Spencer on the stage. And I don't know if anyone else is in these debates, like, maybe someone else that's not polling very high, but it's hilarious.

[Co-host or Guest]

It's super middle school. But then you have to think, like, do the other two go, well, if he's coming, then I'm going. And then it's like an even bigger thing.

[Haley Carnea]

And then it's like, you are doing this because of Spencer. Like you are reacting to him and that's it. He's obviously running the show.

[Co-host or Guest]

Yeah, I just, deep down. Come on, man, show up.

[Haley Carnea]

That'd be great. It'd be great. So now, you know this other opponent, Nithya Rahman, she has reverted to the old trustee fascism claims, which always works for the Democrats, I guess. Here she is calling Spencer Pratt a fascist. Watch. I also think it's a very real thing that we should take seriously and we need to grapple with and we need to offer it an honest response, a response that's rooted in actually solving these problems. Otherwise people will turn to fascism, to mini Trump, which is who I think Spencer Pratt really represents. Oh, mini Trump. Spencer Trat is. Spencer Pratt is a fascist Mini Trump.

[Co-host or Guest]

I have a question for you.

[Haley Carnea]

Yes.

[Co-host or Guest]

After Trump is out of office, what

[Haley Carnea]

are they going to do?

[Co-host or Guest]

I know they. I know it's always something. There's a book. There has to be a boogeyman that's like rallying people one on one. But Trump has been the boogeyman for, I don't know, you know, 10 years.

[Haley Carnea]

Gonna remain the boogeyman, though.

[Co-host or Guest]

They're just gonna call everybody little Trumps, even after he's out of office.

[Haley Carnea]

Yes, because they have nothing else. And I think what they're gonna do is they're going to tie people to Trump. Like, if they were endorsed by Trump, it's going to be this. They're just going to always hearkened back to Trump. If someone was in Trump's cabinet, they're going to try to make that a thing, like every. But here's the thing. Spencer Pratt has nothing to do with Trump. I don't think that Trump has even mentioned the LA mayoral race. And if he has, I missed it. I'm. Maybe he has. I just. I haven't seen it. I don't think that Spencer Pratt has ever said that he's maga. I don't think Spencer Pratt has ever said that he's pro Trump. I mean, he said that he voted Republican in 2020 or he registered as a Republican, rather. I don't even know if he ever voted for Trump. But how can you claim that he's mini Trump? Like, what is how? I mean, how? The only comparison really is that they were both on reality tv. And then during that debate, Spencer had that little, you know, these reactions on his face like, you know, which is kind of Trump. Like, but I don't know how you can even call him mini Trump. And certainly not a fascist. I mean, Spencer Pratt has never worked in politics a day in his life. And you know, with all due respect, he's a washed up reality TV show villain. You know, Laguna beach, in the hills, they were popular a very, very long time ago. I was in high school. And he wasn't even a popular person on the show. He kind of fell off the face of the planet. Then during COVID he joined TikTok and started going viral, making videos about hummingbirds. And then he sort of shot back into the spotlight under, you know, horrific circumstances when his family lost their home in the Palisades fire. But to call him a fascist, what evidence does she have for that? And it's so lazy. And it just like, no Democrats will even question her when she says something like that. That's how you know that they're all lazy. They all fall for these same false talking points. It's not true. And she knows that. She goes on this podcast, Brian Tyler Cohen, and he's just like sitting there nodding like, yeah, yeah, he's mini Trump. Yeah, yeah, he's fascist. Democrats call people fascists so often. They've completely. It's lost its meaning 100%.

[Co-host or Guest]

I. There's a lot of words right now in like the Democrat vernacular that I pray that nothing close to what they're saying actually happens because no one is going to take.

[Haley Carnea]

There won't be a word for it. They've completely boiled it down to nothing. It's like, yeah, you're right. I mean, I hope that nothing. I hope that we don't have a fascist dictator in office because what will they call that person? Trump?

[Co-host or Guest]

Probably it's the boy who cried wolf. But like almost to like the absolute extreme.

[Haley Carnea]

Yeah. And it's really stupid because it's completely false. And most of them can't even define fascist or fascism. Like, if you ask them, we play these men on the street videos all the time. These are Democrat voters. They're the paid protesters. They're out in the streets and they've got a sign that says, you know, down with fascism or anti fascist or Whatever. And, you know, someone on the right, or even in the middle, some independent journalist will go up to them, stick a mic in their face and say, what is that? What is fashion? What. What is fascism? What does your sign mean? What it define it? None of them. I've never seen it done. I've never seen someone done. They, they don't have an answer, they walk away, or they say, I'm not doing this with you. Or, you know, I'm not talking to you, you're on the right, you're going to try to make me look stupid, blah, blah. You made the sign. You wrote the word fascism. So define it. And they, they cannot do it. They're dumb idiot NPCs. They parent the parrot, the talking points, like bots. So this is the LA mayoral race. And, you know, I hope that Spencer Pratt pulls it out on June 2nd. If you live in L. A, you know what you need to do. Meanwhile, another California mayor admitted to being a Chinese agent. This is a crazy headline. I saw this and I thought, there's no way. Yes. Way anything is possible in the Democrat Party.

[Co-host or Guest]

I feel like I've seen this headline a few times out in California too, with different political figures.

[Haley Carnea]

And who knows, maybe she had a past with Eric Swalwell. Who knows? Or someone else. You know, how did, how do they get into the. The realm of American politics? You know, Anyway, let's get into it. Her name is Eileen Wang. She's the mayor, or was the mayor of Arcadia. And she was charged last month with one count of acting in the United States as an illegal agent of a foreign government. Awesome. She was accused of doing the bidding of Chinese officials, also awesome. And sharing articles favorable to the Chinese Communist Party. And she did not let the United States government know, as required by law, which I do find funny. Like, you have to let the United States government know that you're a foreign agent.

[Co-host or Guest]

Just a quick little heads up, just

[Haley Carnea]

letting you know that I, I am allegiant. My allegiance is to Communist China.

[Co-host or Guest]

Go ahead and send over some thumb drives and hard drives and tech and it's no big deal.

[Haley Carnea]

I do find that very funny. Anyway, she was actively peddling communist propaganda on her social medias and she is essentially a Uyghur genocide denier because the Chinese governor government told her to deny it and pushed that out to her constituents, which are mostly Chinese American. And she did this between 2020 and 2022. She had this business partner that they ran U.S. news Center. It's a website that was essentially Chinese propaganda. That they pushed out to their mostly Chinese American constituents. But her business partner ended up being her romantic partner. And then that went south. There's all drama there, which I didn't really care too much to look into. But the. He was also an agent. So, you know, however they got involved with each other, they were in this together, and they were pushing this propaganda on the American people together. And local officials are doing damage control, saying that she was just a commie in her personal life, not as mayor. So the city manager, Dominic Lazaretto, said this in a news release. No city finances or staff were involved. He said this, quote, we want to be very clear, this investigation concerns individual conduct. And the charges are for conduct that seems ceased after Ms. Wang was sworn into office on December 22nd. December 20th, 2022. Do you guys believe that? I'm just going to throw this out to the. Out to the chat. I mean, she, you know, gave up her life of being a communist as soon as she became mayor of an American town. Like, really? Oh, no. And this is what they're saying. Like the other city officials are saying, no, no, don't worry. She stopped canoodling with the commies after she was sworn in. She gave that up once she took the oath to the good people of Arcadia. I don't believe that for one second.

[Co-host or Guest]

If I know anything about the Communist Party, they're pretty, pretty quick to give up and just kind of let you go about your life.

[Haley Carnea]

Yeah. Oh, she's an American now. Oh, no. Anyway, she pleaded guilty to the felony, and that is a maximum sentence of 10 years in federal prison. And again, maximum sentence, 10 years. That's it. We were talking about this yesterday with the pedophile going to jail for 30 years or the woman who made the disabled children fight club. She was only going to jail for 30 years. It's like, really, I feel like we have to up these sentences anyway. This is treason. An American mayor taking orders from the Chinese Communist Party. And her attorneys said this, quote, she apologizes and is sorry for the mistakes she has made in her personal life. Her love and devotion for the Arcadia community have not changed and did not waver. I don't believe this for one second. Yes, she loves. She loves the people of Arcadia. She loves them. Tom Petty writes songs about the American girl like her. You know, this is how stupid Democrats are. By the way. They would vote for if Tim Walls cut off his big toe and put it on the ballot and ran it as a mayor in. In California. The Democrat people would vote for it. These People don't even look into who they're voting for. They just think, oh, she's a woman. She's not white. She's perfect. Have her run in a. In an area that's mostly Chinese American. Perfect. Who cares if she's an actual communist beholden to an actual dictator. The left hates dictators, though, of course. Or say. Or so they say. They hate authoritarian regimes when they come in the form of, like, a populist, very popular president like Donald Trump. That. That's the kind of authority, authoritarian dictator that they can't get behind, the one that was, you know, put in there through proper channels and not by an installation. It's just very hypocritical. But anyway, these. You know, the Chinese were probably like, this is going to be a shoo in. We'll. We'll have her run for mayor. And she's already pushing propaganda. People are obviously buying it hook, line, and sinker, and we'll have her run for mayor. And then, you know, once you become mayor, you know, if she was. If she wasn't caught, who knows? Mayor, congresswoman, governor, president. I mean, come on, now they. They have to slip these people in. In the. In the smaller, more local elections. And then it's like, oh, they gained popularity, and they're doing so well, and they gain all this money and power,

[Co-host or Guest]

and their end goal is not to have the mayor of Acadia. You know what I'm saying? A lot of these people are like, they did it.

[Haley Carnea]

But it was easy. It was an easy starting point. Like, oh, let's see if we can get this woman elected in Arcadia. There's a lot of Chinese people in this area. She'll look favorably upon them. They'll look favorably upon her. They, you know, one man watches the. Okay, perfect. Let's get her in there. So then the Chinese are like, great, we have her in Arcadia. They will do the same thing over here. We'll do the same thing over there. They're going to find their little Chinese American pockets, and then all of a sudden, all of California is going to be run by communist China, which, honestly is not too far off with Gavin Newsom at the helm. You know, you remember when President Xi came into town, and this was during the Biden administration, and Gavin Newsom, he, like, rolled out the red carpet. There were no homeless. The streets were clean. We were talking about this yesterday when I went to. Where was it? Phenix. I was in Phoenix for the super bowl, and I was like that. All these cities, they know how to clean up when they need to. They won't clean up for their people. They won't clean up for the constituents. They won't clean up when people are begging them, hey, I'm. I'm living amongst feces and needles. Can you please help me? Please help me. And they're like, nah. And then the super bowl comes to town, or, you know, the Chinese president comes to town and they're like, done and done. We'll have it done by the end of the week. Close a business, this place is going to be shining like the top of the Chrysler Building. That. That's what they do. So anyway, you know, we. Now, that's the mayoral races. Now we have the gubernatorial race. And of course, it's all been shaken up since Eric Swalwell got me toed and dropped out. And now Biden's HHS secretary, Xavier. I'm not. Not Xavier. They call him Javier. I always want to call him Xavier because that's, you know, anyway, Javier Becerra. And he's the top Democrat according to polls, and he's proud of his time as HHS secretary. And he has doubled down, by the way, on being the vaccine mandator in chief. And when he announced that he was running last year, of course, the New York Times called him up. They did a little interview, a little puff piece, and they. They asked him about the vaccine mandates, and he said that they were absolutely warranted and said this, quote, should we require to. Should we require people to wear seatbelts? That's how he felt about requiring experimental vaccines and forcing people to choose between being a guinea pig and their livelihoods. So he needs all the good press that he can get. And here he is completely botching his chances at that right before his local news interview with ktla. Watch this. This is the start of our interview with Javier Braceta in Highland Park.

[Interviewer]

By the way, this is a profile piece. This is not a gotcha piece. Right.

[Haley Carnea]

Well, look, I think we're. These questions are fair. It's in order to learn about you as a candidate.

[Interviewer]

The lines about the profile.

[Haley Carnea]

I don't know how you define profile, but I'd like to begin the interview.

[Interviewer]

The way I describe profile is you talk about all the things that I've done, things I want to do, and along with some tough questions. But not only tough questions.

[Haley Carnea]

He is scared. He is scared. And that woman writes, she runs a tight ship. She's like, I don't know how you define this, but I like to get started.

[Co-host or Guest]

Now, we've done quite a Few interviews. And we're very kind to our guests and we love all the guests that come on. And we're. We say, hey, you know, we send like, the press kit.

[Haley Carnea]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest]

Not once has somebody come on and been like, like, listen, here's how you're gonna run this show, Missy.

[Haley Carnea]

Yeah. No, never. And I don't know if he was trying to intimidate her. It didn't seem very intimidated. He seemed very scared. He seemed very, very scared.

[Co-host or Guest]

It was begging with a very, like, telling tone.

[Haley Carnea]

Yes, But I don't. I think it comes from a place of insecurity. Like, he knew that he was going into the lion's den, essentially. Maybe he thought that it would be friendly because it's local news and, like, how crazy is this gonna get? It's not like it's, you know, 60 minutes or something. Not that they are, you know, full of journalistic integrity over there either. But, you know, it's not like this is going to be some hour long. Sit down. But he's thinking, okay, I need you to do me good right now. And I loved that. She did not give in. So that's how the interview started. Not a great place to start. Here's how it went. Watch. During your time as HHS secretary, a New York Times investigation found the Health Department couldn't find some 85,000 children it had released.

[Interviewer]

That's not accurate. What you just read is not accurate. First, that's what I'll say. Because it was never the case that we could not find kids. You're essentially, I don't know if you got those talking points from Donald Trump.

[Haley Carnea]

It's from a New York Times article.

[Interviewer]

That's not what the New York Times article said. The New York Times said that individuals, the children and their sponsors did not respond to calls. They didn't say, we couldn't find kids

[Haley Carnea]

working overnight in slaughterhouses, replacing roofs, operating machineries and factories. Children as young as 14 years old.

[Interviewer]

That part occurred after these children had left the care of Department of Health and Human Services.

[Haley Carnea]

Do you let these children go into those individual sponsors in their responsibilities?

[Interviewer]

Some of these kids, probably because they needed to earn some money, started working in places that were very exploitive.

[Haley Carnea]

So it didn't go very well. He was like, don't ask me any hard questions, okay? Please. Pinky promise? Pinky promise. You're not going to make me look stupid? Stupid. She's like, bet, let's effing go. And she, you know, she did make him look very stupid. And all she had to do was present the facts and the facts of his own record. And essentially she said, hey, so during your time as HHS secretary, we had all these missing kids and what happened to them? And he says, no, that's not true. And then he says, I don't know where you got these talking points, maybe from Donald J. Trump. She's like, these are from the New York Times. And that's when you know it's bad, when you know that the New York Times has to report the facts on you and they don't look good, it's not going to go well.

[Co-host or Guest]

My favorite Republican news outlet, the New York Times.

[Haley Carnea]

My favorite puff piece from, from the New York Times. But it's funny because he says, no, those numbers are not true. That's that didn't happen. And then of course, as he's saying that on the screen, they have like the screenshot from the article saying 85,000 children were missing. And of those 85,000, the Trump administration under Tom Homan, the borders are they have found over 60,000 of those children. Thank God. Truly thank God. But this is the guy who's doubling down on that record, which is honestly so stupid. He's the kind of person that's running hoping that none of his skeletons come out of the closet. And he's running on the fact that, you know, he's had all these titles. It's sort of like Kamala Harris where he's been in politics for a while and they think that having like a beefed up record resume is good enough. Like Hillary Clinton, she's got a beefed up resume that's good enough to win. It's not good enough to win, especially when your record sucks and especially when you're asked to, like double down on it. And he's like, no, that's not true. Yes, it is true. So now that he's made it this far in the race, he's being exposed as being kind of a dumb. And nobody who worked with him in the Biden administration wants to be caught dead endorsing him. Aside from former chief of staff Ron Klain. He's the only Democrat from the Biden administration that I have seen endorse him. And now another woman, her name is Sochi in a hosa. She was the former head of public affairs for the Biden doj. She's a CNN commentator, a Democrat, but she is very much anti Javier Becerra as well.

[Sochi Inahosa]

Listen to this Democratic base right now is they want to fight her. And we saw something very different Illinois than we did In Minnesota, we saw Governor Pritzker really fight the administration and really try to stand up to Donald Trump. In Minnesota, you saw Governor Walls, who I know you talk about all of the time, did not do that. And I actually think that it did not serve Minnesota well. And look at what happened there. California will be the target of this administration on immigration enforcement for all sorts of issues because it is only, because it is a Democratic state, because it is a blue state. That's the reality that we live in. Whoever it has been, and it will be even more, whoever is going to be governor will have to stand up to Donald Trump. Can I tell you, after working in Joe Biden's administration, I do not trust Javier to do that. Can I, can I just say, whoa, whoa. I don't, I don't trust that he would be able to do that because. And that is the feeling. He'll be able to stand up to Trump. I don't think that he will be able to stand up to drop and lead. And the reason why anybody say who, who, who is. Before she answers that, can I, can I ask you why? Because when I saw him in the administration, and I think a lot of people did and that it's, it's, people understand this. It's, he was not effective in governmenting. And I think that a lot of people in the Biden administration are talking about this because they realize that he was not an effective HHS secretary. And if you ask any cabinet secretary, they would tell you the same thing. And so I think that there is a, I think people recognize this. And I think this is why Tom Steyer has gone to the top.

[Haley Carnea]

Look at Van Jones's face. They're all shocked that she's saying this, but she's the only one at that table that worked during the Biden administration. And not that she, I don't know how closely she worked, you know, if she was working in public affairs for the doj, and I don't know how closely she worked with the HHS secretary, but certainly she was in and around the Biden administration and knows enough to know that this guy's a moron.

[Co-host or Guest]

She went, she went all in on nuclear.

[Haley Carnea]

The one thing I do find so interesting, though, is again, these Democrats, they can't get away from Trump. They think that the winning ticket for the California Guber gubernatorial race is someone who can stand up to Trump in 2028. Trump's not going to, they might have to stand up for Trump in that, like, lame duck period for, I don't know A few months. It just seems so weird. Like, this is the kind of person that you need someone to stand up to Trump. He's not going to be in office.

[Co-host or Guest]

I mean, that's. It'll be interesting one. I'm excited.

[Haley Carnea]

Unless. Unless they really do think that Donald Trump is going to be in office forever. I think there's like a little piece of them that believe that conspiracy theory.

[Co-host or Guest]

I don't know, Not a shot. It's just, yeah, it's, it's very blind. Blind thinking, for sure.

[Haley Carnea]

It's blind Trump hatred is what it is. And it's just, it's not very forward thinking. I mean, the party has no purpose beyond hating Trump. And again, they're going to have to try to figure it out. The Democrats are honestly screwed. They have horrible candidates and they have no policy platform. So they're really going to have to do a rebranding in the next few years. Not that I care if they figure it out or not. You know, it behooves us if they never figure it out, but they're just a whole bunch of losers.

[Co-host or Guest]

They needed that Kamala term because, you know, there's everybody. The Biden era is still very fresh on everybody's mind. If they had won again, maybe they could kind of move past. I mean, it probably would have gotten worse, but it would have been way worse nonetheless. You know, it's just, it's a tough seller. They got. Everybody's got receipts, very fresh on the front of their mind.

[Haley Carnea]

I also think Covid is one of those things that you really can't escape from. It changed this country forever. It also changed the way that people view politics and politicians. It changed the way people viewed the news. It exposed so much corruption. People do not trust any of these three letter agencies at all. So being attached to any COVID policy that wasn't positive at all is going to be the kiss of death. I think Javier Becerra is screwed. You know, pushing vaccine mandates. Now even Democrat news outlets are admitting, yeah, the vaccine wasn't effective, it wasn't safe, it didn't stop the spread. So, like, how can you double down on that? How can you ask the California people to, to trust you at all? You can't. So anyway, Sochi is one of those Democrat, you know, insiders, if you will, who knew that Javier is a dummy. And this political Politico article says the same. You know, she's not alone. This is Becerra's rise baffles his former Biden colleagues. So she's not alone. And I'm going to read you this part of it. Quote. In the last few weeks, as former Rep. Eric Swalwell's flame out catapulted Becerra to the front of a crowded June primary, Biden White House alumni have been marveling at his stroke of luck and the growing possibility that a Cabinet official who was widely derided and deemed to have been in over his head could soon be the governor. Governor of the country's largest state. Six former Biden administration officials, all of whom were granted anonymity to speak candidly about a former colleague, acknowledge the subject of Becerra's unlikely rise has come to dominate their group chats and conversations. He's getting dragged in the group chat. He's getting dragged. All of his former colleagues are dragging him. Quote, it gets the biggest laugh every time we send around a poll, the first former official said, describing the perception across the administration that the former HHS secretary was ineffective, ineffective on the COVID response and migrant health crisis at the border and other matters. Quote, he ran one of the most consequential agencies in government at the height of a pandemic, but he took a backseat to Dr. Fauci and his team, didn't visibly lead on implementation and had to go through layers to get to potus, even as a Cabinet member. Now, if you think that's bad, it gets so much worse than that. It gets so much worse than that. Van Jones face, quote. Beyond the COVID response, which was largely run out of the White House, Becerra seemed slow to activate or at times uninformed about the migrant crisis at the southern border when a rush of detainees overwhelmed federal facilities, according to four formal four of the former officials. At one point, leaders from some of the largest Latino advocacy organizations went to the White House and asked for Becerra to be included in more meetings. But some in the West Wing, including Biden, were frustrated by his apparent lack of preparation. When he was in the room, he would go into the. He would go to brief the president and was not prepared at all, almost to the point where it was an embarrassment. Biden would pepper him with questions and he would not be able to answer them. If Biden is peppering you with questions and you cannot answer them, you're cooked. If Biden is running circles around you, you are cooked.

[Co-host or Guest]

Must have been morning meetings.

[Haley Carnea]

You are cooked. All of the morning. All of the meetings were morning meetings for Biden.

[Co-host or Guest]

Must have been real early.

[Haley Carnea]

I don't even think he got up that early. I feel like when you get Older, you know, you sleep later, you go to sleep earlier, you nap a lot.

[Co-host or Guest]

Like, I think there's that prime window where, like, you're, you know, like at your clearest. Like, you got up there and then you kind of go back down.

[Haley Carnea]

Yes, you've got a. You've got a little bit of time there. And then whenever Biden was at his peak, he's peppering Javier Becerra with questions and he can't answer them. I mean, that has got to be the most damning thing that could ever be written about him, truly. Because the Democrats didn't think that Biden could win the election in 2024, and he probably couldn't have. But my goodness, if there are former Biden officials saying that the President of the United States, that was essentially a corpse, thought that you were an idiot, you're done. I mean, you're just done. Quote, there are a lot of administration alumni running for office across the country, and most of them have been endorsed by Biden and Harris. That hasn't happened for Becerra, and it's obvious, at least to most of us, as to why. So basically, the Democrat Party and the media has come to the conclusion that for lots of reasons, they don't want Javier Becerra anywhere near this gubernatorial race. And if he does get in, it's by luck. And I don't know what a Biden Harris endorsement really means at this point. Is that a good thing? Is that a bad thing? They're both losers. So I feel like an endorsement by both of them is a kiss of death, even among Democrats. Like, I don't know who would want a couple Kamala Harris endorsement at this point. The woman who left her campaign billions of dollars in debt and had nothing to show for it. I don't know if that means anything. And oddly enough, Javier Becerra was apparently so bad and stupid that Biden and Harris don't want to go near him. That's saying a lot.

[Co-host or Guest]

Walks into a meeting, hey, don't ask me any crazy questions. We're going to. We're going to go ahead and get through this.

[Haley Carnea]

You know that actually knowing that little tidbit makes that interview make all the more sense.

[Co-host or Guest]

Man, I've been burned.

[Haley Carnea]

Please, please, please don't ask me any hard questions. I can't.

[Co-host or Guest]

It's like when you, if you ever had, like, a school project that you, like, didn't really prepare for, and then you, you, like, know you didn't prepare for, so you're like, okay, as long as nobody presses Me, I should be able to get through this. I feel like that's how that guy went to work. Every single day.

[Haley Carnea]

Every single day. Oh, the Democrats, you know, I say it all the time. We're so lucky to have good people on our, on our side. We've got a strong bench of good talent, smart people, articulate people and accomplished people. And on the Democrats, they just, they just have a bunch of fricking morons. It's crazy. Anyway, let's talk about this Christopher Nolan Odyssey movie coming up. You're excited about this topic?

[Co-host or Guest]

I am pumped. Big Chris Nolan fan.

[Haley Carnea]

Okay, so Christopher Nolan, you know, masterful director and he is coming out with the Odyssey. It's set to come out July 17, 2026. So just a few months away. Matt Damon is playing Odysseus and Hathaway playing Penelope. Tom Holland playing their son. Zendaya is playing Athena. Robert Pattinson playing Antonis. Charlize Theron's playing Calypso. So this is a star studded cast, if you will. And of course, you know, when you have Christopher Nolan attached to the thing, then you can get a lot of these like a list celebrities to sign onto it because they want to work with him and vice versa. And I was reading this article because, you know, I'm not a big movie buff at all. So I've never seen Troy. I've never seen like we're going to get into how much. I don't know about all this, but someone was saying, and I was just reading some movie critics piece on it and I don't know, maybe this is true, but Christopher Nolan works with the same actors and actresses quite a bit and he has worked with Ellen Page before. I don't know. In what?

[Co-host or Guest]

Inception.

[Haley Carnea]

Inception. She was in Inception?

[Co-host or Guest]

Yes.

[Haley Carnea]

As a boy or a girl?

[Co-host or Guest]

A girl.

[Haley Carnea]

I'm like, what?

[Co-host or Guest]

That's probably why you didn't. Yeah, she, she had a really prominent role. She's good.

[Haley Carnea]

She did. I haven't seen Inception in a really long time. Someone in the chat said Ellen Page still looks like Ellen Page. I agree.

[Co-host or Guest]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Haley Carnea]

I agree. Like maybe with Ellen Page with a little bit of Masseter Botox and to give her a stronger jaw. But yeah, Ellen Page still looks like Ellen Page to me. She just has like a pixie haircut now. She just looks more like a lesbian than anything else. She doesn't really look like a man.

[Co-host or Guest]

Yeah, very, very feminine man.

[Haley Carnea]

Listen, she's a woman. So anyway, let's get into. Hasn't been announced yet who is playing the ghost of Achilles. But fans are speculating because Ellen Page has worked with Christopher Nolan before. And this is the only person that hasn't been announced that people think it might be Ellen Page, who now goes by Elliot and is transgender. And Achilles was famously played by Brad Pitt in the 2004 movie Troy. Handsome man. Can I just say, Handsome man. Great casting.

[Co-host or Guest]

Not to derail the whole thing.

[Haley Carnea]

I didn't watch the movie, but handsome man.

[Co-host or Guest]

What's your favorite? Brad Pitt. Mine's Ocean Eleven. Brad Pitt.

[Haley Carnea]

Oh, Mr. And Mrs. Smith.

[Co-host or Guest]

That's a good Brad Pitt. All right, continue. Have you seen him in F1 now? Fantastic movie.

[Haley Carnea]

I didn't see that movie.

[Co-host or Guest]

Highly recommend.

[Haley Carnea]

That's a newer movie, though, right?

[Co-host or Guest]

Correct.

[Haley Carnea]

Yeah, I haven't seen a lot of newer movies. Anyway, let's take a look at what this might look like. Ellen Page as who is she playing? The ghost of Achilles.

[Co-host or Guest]

Correct. Even this AI. They made her look more masculine than she does in real life.

[Haley Carnea]

Oh, I think she looks more feminine here than she does in real life in this photo. You think the opposite. I think she looks very feminine here.

[Co-host or Guest]

Hold on.

[Haley Carnea]

Look at her arm.

[Co-host or Guest]

Like, her face. Like, it definitely looks like more feminine.

[Haley Carnea]

Everyone in the chat is freaking out. No, my eyes.

[Co-host or Guest]

I think her face looks more full in this image. Yeah. A little more boyish even than she does in real life. Yeah, she looks more like the way she looked in Inception, minus the short hair.

[Haley Carnea]

She looks like Juno. Ellen Page in this. She's just wearing, like, a chest plate.

[Co-host or Guest]

You're not wrong.

[Haley Carnea]

She looks like Juno. Okay, anyway, this is what we're work. We're looking at here. So Troy 2004, obviously Brad Pitt, very handsome, very ripped, obviously manly man. Even her chest plate is, like, less ripped. Like, she has less abs in the chest plate. Like, I knew that. What. What is that called? Armor. Body armor.

[Co-host or Guest]

Yeah, it's just armor chest plate.

[Haley Carnea]

So, yeah, even she has less abs, and it's almost more of, like, a feminine structure. Like, you see it, like, kind of goes, like, out like a. A. A woman's waist. It's funny that this. I don't know. Maybe I kind of knew that. She's a. She's a girl in real life also.

[Co-host or Guest]

Very petite, very.

[Haley Carnea]

How small is she?

[Co-host or Guest]

I want to say like 5 4.

[Haley Carnea]

Not that. And this is her as a midget. And this is what she would look like as Achilles. The ghost of Achilles. Can you look up how short? Ellen Pages or Elliot. Whatever.

[Co-host or Guest]

Yes.

[Haley Carnea]

Someone in the chat said five 1. I don't know if that's true or not. Someone else said Brad Pitt has aged very well. That is true.

[Co-host or Guest]

5:1. I gave her three inches.

[Haley Carnea]

Okay, so at 5:1. And listen, I went on Grok yesterday because I'm looking up, like, what. How Homer described all these people in the book. How Homer described all these people, like, because they want to make this book accurate, I'm assuming, and historically accurate as much as possible. Unless they have a chance to go woke them. They will.

[Co-host or Guest]

There's been a lot of discussion about different creative decisions, trying to be timely in accordance to, you know, the time that the piece is taking place.

[Haley Carnea]

So Achilles is the strongest, fastest warrior, and he is handsome. That is how he is described in the book. And when I think of a strong, fast Greek God soldier, I do not think of a 51 woman. I do not think of a 51 transgender. I don't. Women are not handsome, and I don't think of transgender men being the strongest and the fastest because they're women. So quite literally, they're not the strongest and fastest and they're not the most handsome. They'll never be more handsome than a man. And so I would say if this is true, because we don't know if she's going to play the ghost of Achilles or not, but. Lupita Nyong'. O. Wow. Look at. Look at her. She's a woman. I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy to see this so petite, so feminine, and I don't know how long she has been on hormones and drugs and surgeries or whatever. I don't know. And I don't really know what she's had done, like, top surgery, bottom surgery, I don't know. But she still looks like a woman, so it. It doesn't matter. You could spend all the money. You could be rich and famous, have access to the best, you know, transgender doctors or whatever, and you could still waste all of that money to look the way that you were born. So that's that. People in the chat are saying that they don't want to watch this movie. I wouldn't not watch the movie because of this one thing. I wouldn't watch the movie because I would just never get around to it. But I. I would still watch it if she was in it. I don't. I don't care.

[Co-host or Guest]

So it's in my head. It's either going to be one of those movies that's like, critics score. 96 fan score, you know, like 40.

[Haley Carnea]

Right?

[Co-host or Guest]

Or it's going to be just like an absolute banger. Of a film.

[Haley Carnea]

I mean, I wonder if they'll use CGI to make her look more masculine.

[Co-host or Guest]

I'm so interested.

[Haley Carnea]

Taller. Like, what's the point of having, you know, you. How do you go from Brad Pitt, how do you glow down to Ellen Page?

[Co-host or Guest]

I mean, it's its own thing, comparing the role to Brad Pitt feels, you

[Haley Carnea]

know, whoever it is, it's been over two decades. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest]

So, like, even. But with that said, even with a fresh start, this is a. This is an interesting pick to say the least.

[Haley Carnea]

There are a lot of people saying they wouldn't watch it now. I mean, I. I wouldn't go that serious, honestly. It's just not that deep, in my opinion.

[Co-host or Guest]

Yeah, because where you draw the line in Hollywood, like, there's Hollywood's Woke. Like, oh, you got him.

[Haley Carnea]

Shocking. Yeah. So anyway, we don't know if that's going to be true or not, but Lupita Nyong' o has been cast as Helen. Helen of Troy. Also, plot twist. She's also been cast as Helen's sister. So she's playing Helen and Ellen's sister.

[Co-host or Guest]

A little double roll, actually.

[Haley Carnea]

A little, you know, a little parent trap action. But anyway, this is in 2004, you know, of course we have Brad Pitt. Then we have Diane Krueger playing Helen of Troy. And now it is confirmed that Nyong' o will portray Helen. And Homer has described Helen as white, armed, noble women, fair, smooth skin and golden hair. But the Odyssey itself stays vague on specifics like hair or eye color, but fair, smooth skin, golden haired.

[Co-host or Guest]

So she has golden hair?

[Haley Carnea]

Lupita Nyong' o does, yes.

[Co-host or Guest]

She has gold in her hair.

[Haley Carnea]

Oh, she is gold in her hair. Yeah. I wouldn't say that. She has golden hair. Gold in hair, not golden hair.

[Co-host or Guest]

There you go.

[Haley Carnea]

Ha. Yeah. Diane Kruger is gorgeous and she looks absolutely stunning. And she's supposed to be like the fairest of them all, the most gorgeous woman. And, you know, the woke left is just so obsessed with representation. They absolutely hate when certain actors are cast to play characters that don't exactly match their race or sexuality. We saw this with Bradley Cooper. People were mad that he was cast to play a Jewish man in Maestro and he's not Jewish, so people were mad at that. Like, why wouldn't you cast a Jewish actor? Again, like, I don't care about this stuff, but the left does. Then people were mad when Remy Malek was cast to play Freddie Mercury because Freddie was gay and Rami isn't who they're like. This is an opportunity to Cast a gay actor. Why didn't you do that? Like, who care? It's acting. Everyone, hello. Have we forgotten that they're acting? You don't actually have to be a superhero. You can just play one on tv.

[Co-host or Guest]

I think that's why I'm like mildly still excited for the movie. Because there is a certain amount of, okay, it's an interpretation and like, how

[Haley Carnea]

offended can you really get?

[Co-host or Guest]

The only time that it bothers me is when people say they are trying to make a film or a show as close to the source material as possible.

[Haley Carnea]

And then they don't.

[Co-host or Guest]

And then they don't.

[Haley Carnea]

Correct. That's where I have a problem.

[Co-host or Guest]

Gives me the ick.

[Haley Carnea]

And people were mad. And this is interesting because of the Greek aspect of this. People were mad that Gal Gadot was cast to play Cleopatra because she's Israeli and Cleopatra is Greek. So people were saying, like, oh, don't cast Gal Gadot. Cast someone who's Greek. But anyway, now we have a character, Helen of Troy, written as white, armed and fair haired. And this is again to Andrew's point, people who want to make this close to the source material and it has historically accurate as possible, all of a sudden that doesn't matter. All of a sudden you can race swap, but heaven forbid, it was the other way around. They get mad. All those examples. I told you, if there's an opportunity to cast a gay, trans or minority actor in place of a white character, they will do it. We saw this with Dylan Mulvaney. He played Anne Boleyn on Broadway. Anne Boleyn was not trans. So why is it okay for a trans person to play her? Why is it okay to sexuality swap and race swap? Why is that okay, according to the left? Well, it's okay sometimes when the historical figure is white and straight, it is okay to erase white people and white culture and replace it with whatever they want. And let me be clear. I don't care what actor plays what, honestly. But I would prefer it to be book accurate and historically accurate. Aside from that, I don't care. I don't need a Jew to play a Jew, a gay to play a gay. Who cares? As long as the person can look the part and act the part, who cares? It's acting. I will say though, like, I do have a certain respect for actors when they are cast to be someone like Achilles and they put on all this body weight and they put on all this muscle and they work to like Henry Cavill playing Superman and like he becomes Superman physically, you know, I have Respect for that when people have to lose a lot of weight. Like, I, I forget Christian Bale's done

[Co-host or Guest]

it a few times where he, he like slimmed way down and then beefed back up for Batman.

[Haley Carnea]

And I forget what movie it was, but I remember Jared Leto played like a crack addict in some movie and like he had to lose all this weight. He looked horrible. But it was exactly what they needed for the part. Like, I have respect for that. I don't have respect for them casting people that make absolutely no sense. Like, unless. Because Ellen Page can't grow into, you know, Brad Pitt.

[Co-host or Guest]

This is true.

[Haley Carnea]

So anyway, if they were being honest with themselves, the left, and they were consistent, they would be demanding a white blonde Greek woman play Helen of Troy. But they're not honest or consistent. So they'll be happy with their black woman playing Helen of Troy. I want to talk about. We're running out of time here. Are people going to be mad if I don't do scrolling time?

[Co-host or Guest]

No, this is a great plug if you love scrolling time. Friends and family, ladies and gentlemen, come on Friday.

[Haley Carnea]

Fridays, Friday. We will definitely be doing super scrolls.

[Co-host or Guest]

Fridays are a guaranteed super scroll.

[Haley Carnea]

Yes, Friday, guaranteed super scroll. I just wanted to get to this non monogamous crap because it's just so stupid.

[Co-host or Guest]

It's very fun.

[Haley Carnea]

So I was scrolling on Instagram yesterday. Listen, this, everything that I do on this show I find when I'm scrolling. So. So everything really is kind of scrolling time. Honestly, you guys would be fooled if, if we played the scrolling time intro, I could just do whatever at the end of the show and people would think that it's scrolling time. We're tricking you. Okay, so this is it. This is what I was scrolling yesterday and I found 10 people share their ultra specific boundaries in their open relationships. So I found this interesting. So I'm scrolling through here and if we could maybe go through some of these people who are in ultra specific, you know, open relationships. Like, I don't really know what that means, but open relationship I guess means different things to different people. I guess this is just, I don't know, I guess this is just weird woke stuff. I don't know who really does this open relationship crap. I've been in, I've unknowingly been in open relationships. But I, I wasn't in on

[Co-host or Guest]

was.

[Haley Carnea]

It was a one sided open relationship. So that's happened to me before. But I can't get behind people doing this on purpose. This. Anyway, so this is the first person that wrote into Bustle saying these are the rules that they have when they're dating more people. My primary partner can't go home with other standup comedians without checking with me first. Those are basically my colleagues. And who knows what might have some personal beef with. Who knows who I have might. Might have some personal beef with. I don't want to find out someone effed my girlfriend during a roast battle. How do you call this person your girlfriend?

[Co-host or Guest]

Like it's such a niche issue to have.

[Haley Carnea]

If she's for the streets, she's not your girlfriend. Like it's crazy. Like, just don't just say that you're. You're not. There's no such thing as an open relationship. You're just not in a relationship. Then there is a word for it in a situationship, but these people are nuts. So anyway, number two, I'm dating a married guy in an open relationship. Huh. He's not allowed to have Snapchat when he's at home. So he deletes it, redownloads it every day when he goes into work. And I can send him whatever, but he won't see it until he gets the app back. And this is a 27 year old woman who lives in Washington D.C. isabella. Come on, Isabella, stand up. Stand up, Isabella. Your boyfriend's taken. He's married.

[Co-host or Guest]

Biblically accurate sin, actually.

[Haley Carnea]

This is horrible. So. And then it's like again, to your point about nothing good happens on Snapchat. The fact that his wife allows him to be in an open relationship, but the caveat is that she has. He has to delete Snapchat. He can't have it at home. He can have it when he goes to work. So the wife knows that he's dating other people. The wife knows that he's like essentially sexting other people at work, but he just doesn't want him to do it at home with her. Again, stand up.

[Co-host or Guest]

I immediately, my brain like skipped all that and was like, wow, that guy's stealing so much time from his employer.

[Haley Carnea]

Oh yeah, on the company dime. He's snapchatting his second girlfriend on company time, sir. Disgusting. And this is in Washington D.C. too. So I'm assuming that the this disgusting husband works in Washington D.C. i wonder what he does. Maybe he works on Capitol Hill. Maybe he's in office.

[Co-host or Guest]

Irs. Gotta be irs.

[Haley Carnea]

Irs. Yeah. Just stealer. He's stealing. My partner and I have a list of shows we're not allowed to watch with anyone else watching the last season of Severance. We with anyone else. But my primary partner would have been a monumental betrayal.

[Co-host or Guest]

Okay.

[Haley Carnea]

I get behind this.

[Co-host or Guest]

Yeah.

[Haley Carnea]

I can get behind.

[Co-host or Guest]

Yeah, this is fair.

[Haley Carnea]

Yeah. Yep. I mean, I can't get behind.

[Co-host or Guest]

Why is that the line?

[Haley Carnea]

No, no, no, it's not. I. I can't get behind this kind of relationship dynamic at all. But I'm saying having a TV show like you could. Let's say you're in a normal marriage.

[Co-host or Guest]

I'm in a normal marriage.

[Haley Carnea]

You're in a normal marriage if you're watching a show with your wife and she's like, I finished it without you.

[Co-host or Guest]

Rude. It is rude if we, like, establish that we're watching it together. Severance was a show that neither of us were allowed to watch without the other because we wanted to watch it together.

[Haley Carnea]

And I think that's cute.

[Co-host or Guest]

If I would have finished. Would have been bad.

[Haley Carnea]

I agree with that. I think there are shows that you watch in a relationship, and then it's okay to have shows that you watch by yourself and they watch by themselves. So if you're ever in the mood to watch tv, your partner's not home, your husband, wife, whatever's not home, you can watch your show. And then when he gets home or she gets home, you watch your show together. I like that. Someone in the chat. I'm sorry your line is a TV show, but your junk is open season. No, I'm saying. No, not me. I'm. I'm. I don't agree with this relationship dynamic. I said, but I agree about the TV show thing.

[Co-host or Guest]

Doing something right.

[Haley Carnea]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest]

And it's not watching TV shows without.

[Haley Carnea]

Yeah, they're half right. I'm single, but I'm seeing a guy who has a girlfriend. Okay. Their rule is that they can bring other people home, but they can only sleep with other people in the guest bedroom. Not their bedroom.

[Co-host or Guest]

It's sacred.

[Haley Carnea]

Yes, of course.

[Co-host or Guest]

They're from Salt Lake City.

[Haley Carnea]

Yeah. Salt Lake City. This is. Well, this makes sense because they're probably. They have multiple wives. Maybe I do. Multiple bedrooms. And multiple bedrooms. Of course they're lucky enough to have a guest bedroom. Not everyone is lucky enough to have a separate place. If not, maybe the couch or something. Or if. If you are.

[Co-host or Guest]

They can't do it on the couch. They have to watch their TV show together.

[Haley Carnea]

Oh, right. That's sacred, too. Dang it. Dang it. But this is crazy, too, because if you're. If you're seeing a guy who is a girlfriend, like, why wouldn't the guy then just tell his girlfriend, hey, I'm going out, and then you go to her house. Like, why would you cheat on. Well, I guess it's not cheating. They don't think it's cheating. But it's like, why would you bring someone else home? And then. Is the girlfriend home? Hey, you stay in the bedroom. We're going over here. That's nuts.

[Co-host or Guest]

Bonkers, even.

[Haley Carnea]

This is nuts. Okay. My boyfriend and I try not to spend more time on other people. I'm sorry. No. My boyfriend and I try not to spend more on other people in a month than each other. So if he goes on three dates with other people, he's only taking me on one. He better be ready to spend some money. We don't check that closely. It's more of a general vibe. That's crazy. That it becomes monetary.

[Co-host or Guest]

I have never once thought about the monetary aspect of it. But that would be so bogus if you're, like, taking people out on all these dates and then your wife goes on, like, one date.

[Haley Carnea]

Well, no, that's not what she's saying. She's saying if my boyfriend takes three girls out.

[Co-host or Guest]

Correct.

[Haley Carnea]

He needs to spend what he spent on those three girls on me.

[Co-host or Guest]

Yes.

[Haley Carnea]

In that month.

[Co-host or Guest]

That's.

[Haley Carnea]

So if he takes this girl to Taco Bell, this girl to Chick Fil A, this girl to Chipotle, they need to go to Nobu

[Co-host or Guest]

again. I never once thought about the monetary side.

[Haley Carnea]

Me neither.

[Co-host or Guest]

That's crazy.

[Haley Carnea]

But these people. Like, this is very transactional. It's giving prostitution very much so. Weirdos. Absolute weirdos. Okay, my weirdest relationship rule with my nesting partner. Like, what are these words? Is that I have first right of refusal on all concerts. If I want to go, I get to go. And if I don't want to go, he can invite another partner. How many. How many concerts are you going to? Concerts are so expensive these days. The last concert I went to was in July.

[Co-host or Guest]

Who'd you see?

[Haley Carnea]

Morgan Wallen. Okay, that was my third time seeing Morgan Wallen, too.

[Co-host or Guest]

My last concert was Suicide Boys for the Grade A tour. It was pretty cool.

[Haley Carnea]

I don't even know what that is.

[Co-host or Guest]

You don't know about, like, Death Note and.

[Haley Carnea]

Nope.

[Co-host or Guest]

What about Scrim?

[Haley Carnea]

Nope.

[Co-host or Guest]

What about Ruby to Cherry?

[Haley Carnea]

Nope.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest]

You wouldn't like the concert?

[Haley Carnea]

Yeah. I don't know it. Yeah. That's crazy. My husband and I swing. Our rule is that all text communication has to happen in a group chat. I don't care if he goes into another room with someone at a party, but I don't want to see him getting nudes from someone. Well, well. You do want to see him getting news from someone because it has to be in a group chat. The logic falls through very quickly. Someone in the chat likes your music taste, by the way.

[Co-host or Guest]

Heck yeah.

[Haley Carnea]

Someone said Bulky says solid music there.

[Co-host or Guest]

Bulky was probably there.

[Haley Carnea]

Thank you, Bulky. But this all got me thinking because we don't have to go through all of these mentally ill people. But this got me thinking that people are very insecure and they hate themselves. They don't have any self respect and that's why they enter into these relationships. They don't think that someone else could ever like them. They don't think that they could be enough for someone else. Therefore, they allow this person, oh yeah, you could have this hall pass or oh yeah, you could go date someone else because they think that that will make that person like them more. Oh, she's so chill. This is like, chill girlfriend. Oh, I'm so chill. I let my boyfriend do whatever I want. I actually don't think that guys like that. And actually, comedian Nikki Glaser, she has gone viral. And this was a few months ago, I think, but she was on Call Her Daddy. Of course. This is where all women go to talk about their disgusting fantasies and whatnot. And Nikki Glaser said that she allows cheating in her relationship. She doesn't cheat on her husband or her boyfriend, long term boyfriend, but he is allowed to do whatever he wants. Listen, I know how lame it comes across.

[Nikki Glaser]

I sometimes don't like to tell guys about this thing that I have where I'm like, you know, this is separate than the soulmate thing. Like, I don't care if a guy has a sexual connection with a girl and like he was to use protection and just have sex with her for a night. Like, I don't, I literally wouldn't care if my husband did that. I, I don't, I don't know why. I don't know why. If he were to like watch the Wire with her or like do crossword puzzles or like text, like send memes and stuff, I would be like, what the are you doing? Like, that's our thing. Like, emotional cheating would hurt me, but like physical, I'm just like, I kind of, I just feel like I understand how sex is for men most of the time outside of relationship, it's just kind of transactional and it's just like, they just want a nut. And it's not about like, I want to spend my life with this woman so it wouldn't feel. I just, I don't know, I just wouldn't care as much.

[Haley Carnea]

So our barometer is no emotional cheating. What do you guys consider emotional cheating? Like what is that? She says it was watching people. She. Yes, but she said that emotional cheating was like watching a TV show with the other person. Watching tv, like sending memes, having inside jokes. Maybe like having like a, maybe caring for the other person aside from having sex. Like if it's just physical. But I will say like if I and I've been cheated on before, but like if I ever saw my ex boyfriend now like holding hands with another girl, like that would hurt my feelings real bad.

[Co-host or Guest]

More than seeing him in bed with another girl.

[Haley Carnea]

No, that would hurt. But I think like holding hands, I'd be like, oh, it's more than just like it, it wouldn't be just like a mistake, you know, like, oh, sorry, I got really drunk and did this thing. Like, like if they were holding hands, it's like that's not.

[Co-host or Guest]

Well, yeah, that's not a mistake. I think like in my head when I think of emotional cheating, you know, like the, the like work wife kind of like work husband where like you're spending a lot of time and you're like talking to this person outside of normal. I don't even know the right word. But like that to me seems like emotional cheating where like you're, you're involved in a relationship more than just a professional colleague to colleague relationship.

[Haley Carnea]

I could see that. Yeah, I, I, I can't stand like I think Hallmark came out with work husband and work wife cards. And this is like around Valentine's day. If I ever found out that my future husband ever bought one of those for anyone.

[Co-host or Guest]

That is emotional cheating out.

[Haley Carnea]

Emotional cheating. Yep, that is emotional. Boom. We figured it out. Thank you for watching today. You could follow me on social media at Haley Caronia on all the different platforms forms and make sure that you subscribe to this show and you tell a friend and I will be back tomorrow, hopefully with scrolling time.

[Co-host or Guest]

See ya.