A (2:44)

This is tough for a New Yorker. Let me just say we'll get into how we know each other. We're both from New York, but, yeah, traffic. Not liking traffic and living in New York is. That's tough.

B (2:53)

No, I was going upstate, too, for Memorial Day weekend, and I'm stuck in this traffic, and I was ready to, you know, commit an act of terror. It was just really bad. So, you know, so I'm listening and I hear him bringing the receipts, and I'm like, this is going to be a regular listen. Because I don't think there's bs. It all seems to be backed up by something. So that, to me, means a lot. Especially, you know, fast forward eight years now. We're. You go on social media and you don't know what's real and what's not. Credibility is a big deal for me. And so, you know, the. The. The fact that he was putting forth information that was so credible, meant a lot. And the. The fact that there was an activism element to it also, where it was like, you know, get out, do stuff. I'm like, I want to do stuff. I want to. I would run through a wall to do something. So going from that to. To what yesterday and today brought was phenomenal. It's great. And I couldn't be happier. More grateful for being given the opportunity. You know, I'm. I'm a huge fan of this entire operation. You've got a great show. Vince has a great show. The team is unbelievable. Dan is obviously, you know, still doing what Dan does, and he's doing it at a high level. I think the best out of anybody in the space. No disrespect to anyone else. I just think, you know, what he does is unique in the. In that fashion that, you know, I say it all the time. He said it sometimes, too. You know, you may not hear what you want to hear, but you're going to hear the truth, and that's what matters over everything. So it's been. It's been a thrill the last two days and, you know, hopefully if. If all things go right, we'll do it again soon.

A (4:19)

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, we're so lucky to have Dan. And I'm not going to go through my whole spiel again because people who watch this show already know. But I was so lucky to meet Dan when I was booking guests on Hannity, and I booked him all the time. And it started out, I don't know, two days a week booking Dan, and then he started fighting with Geraldo. And I love the beatdowns. We would call them Beatdowns. It wasn't even a debate, it was a beat down.

B (4:45)

Yeah.

A (4:46)

And the Bongino Beatdowns, it wasn't good enough to have him twice a week. People wanted it more and more and more. So I ended up booking him almost every day of the week. And he was such a reliable guest where if you called him, he was there. And I love that about him. As a booker, if you are aware of the booking process, it's great to have those go to guests that you can always rely on, especially in a breaking news situation. So Dan was always great and we became close and I could ask him about things, about my career. And I remember I was at Fox and I wanted to start a podcast. And it's scary when you work at a big corporation. And this was really before new media took off. This is before, you know, Dan was a huge new media face. This was all. Everyone was pretty in the Fox News orbit. It was very much. Cable news was king. And this was before podcasts were even really that big. And I remember I pitched a podcast to Fox News Radio and they were kind of, I don't know. And then I went and I worked over at Newsmax and I pitched a podcast to them and they were kind of like, I don't know. And I told Dan about it and he was like, just do it. Just do it. And I never did it. So anyway, here I am doing it. Finally.

B (5:59)

There you go.

A (6:00)

But this is why it's so important to have good mentors and good friends and people you can trust in this space, because they're hard to come By. And trust is huge, and this is why the new media is so important. But I feel like now in the new media, especially after Charlie was assassinated and then when Dan was at the FBI, there was definitely a vacuum and a void left in the space. And there are so many good people, but they're just, they weren't as good, you know? Right. And we're so blessed to have Dan back and. But I feel like still in this new media space with these conservative influencers and podcasters, I am so disheartened. It's almost like a don't meet your heroes moment. Because I see people that I used to look up to for years and years and years, and I'm talking about the Ben Shapiro's of the world and Megyn Kelly's of the world and Mark Levins of the world. Like, these are people that I used to work with at Fox and now they're all fighting and, you know, measuring their dick sizes and whatever on X. And we were talking about this before the show started, where I don't really talk about the conservative beef much on my show because I don't really care to pay attention to it and follow it. And you were the same way.

B (7:12)

Yeah.

A (7:12)

Like, what is your top line reaction when you see these people fighting? What is your reaction to it all?

B (7:17)

So I pay attention to a lot of some of the beef, but more, more of the beef with the less established figures, like the social media ones. Well, you mentioned the vacuum that was left when Dan left, and I said something similar a little while ago and said, you know, there are so many people who squandered an amazing opportunity. There was a vacuum when Dan joined into the FBI and the first thing they did is start attacking him.

A (7:39)

Right.

B (7:40)

What are you doing? Why don't you build something special with this opportunity you have? You've, you know, not steal the audience. Right. But put yourself out there and build something, you know, without value that people can, can use. They can go to your show, they can go to your content. And instead what these people resorted to was the instant gratification, the, the, you know, the sugar high, the clickbait, you know, and started running with these wild. Everything was, it was sensationalism. Yeah. It was shock jock culture. It was. Everyone wanted to be Howard Stern. Instead of giving us the truth and what's going on and how to help and how to play a role in advancing this MAGA agenda that so many of these people say, oh, Trump's breaking his promises. We need to, we need to pressure him to do what we want, but you're not doing anything. You're, you're sitting behind a microphone and you're making things up and you're cherry picking information and you're, you're, you're not, there's, there's maybe a fact here, a fact there and then a theory here and a theory there, and now you're in, you know, some, a whole other zip code, another reality, and no longer dealing with the truth at this point. You know, they had a chance to at least put forth a product as a, you know, kind of what you did, what Vince did, right? Where people had a place to go in Dan's absence and build something special. And instead they built something, you know, for the, for the sugar high, the shock jock, the sensationalism. Because lies travel faster than the truth, right? You know, I mean, it's so much easier to get hundreds of thousands of views, for example, when a hurricane is coming to, to start saying that, well, we've never seen something like this before. It must be man made and hundreds of thousands of people, oh my gosh, we're creating hurricanes. How did we get from. Okay, it's taking a rare track to we made it. And by the way, these are the same people who will call climate change a hoax. Well, we can't control the climate, but we can create hurricanes, right? Seriously. Now I'm a weather nerd. I know all these things that are going nerd, total. I'll geek out and I don't wanna post all the technical crap and X and in these arguments, but this is what I'm talking about is, you know, incomplete sets of facts, lacking context. And it sounds awfully similar, for example, to what the mainstream media does, right? While Donald Trump had a conversation with a guy who had a conversation with a guy who was tied to Russia, who had dinner with Vladimir Putin three years ago when the lights were off on Tuesday. Therefore, because there is an association, Trump stole the election with Russia and this is what, you know, a lot of these other people are doing. And then when folks call it out, because I'm not just going to call out someone who's, you know, BSing me because I don't like what channel they're broadcasting on or who they voted for. If I see nonsense, I'm going to say I think that's nonsense. Doesn't matter who it is, I'm going to say I think that's nonsense. I'm guided by the truth, not by, you know, clicks, views, sensationalism and this fan fiction type nonsense. So when people call it out and go, I'm not so sure that the Egyptian planes had anything to do with Charlie Kirk's assassination. Or you got the time wrong and you got this.

A (10:32)

Or the tunnel, the underground tunnel, people under the school. School. That's what I was like, yellow and bees.

B (10:38)

And like, this whole thing lost me. And it's like, I don't think so. Oh, stop attacking. It's infighting. Well, it really isn't, because you've abandoned the truth. You're not on my side. If you've abandoned the truth, you may have voted for the guy that I voted for a couple years ago. Now you're telling people not to vote. So you're definitely not on my team. But it's. It's one of these things, like I said, where if I think you're lying, I'm not going to right off the bat say, you're a terrible person. I'm going to say, I don't think that's true. I think we're missing something. And then people take that as it's an attack, infighting. And I go, it's not. It's just. I'm trying to pursue what's real versus what isn't real or what might not be real or what, all of that. And that's what bothers me.

A (11:19)

This is the issue with new media, and this is going to sound crazy because I'm part of the new media, and I think there's a good side and there's a bad side.

B (11:26)

Yes.

A (11:27)

And to your point. And again, you all know where I stand. I'm not a fan of the legacy media, but I did get my start at Fox and I got my start at Newsmax, and I've worked at these bigger networks before. There are pros and cons to that. I definitely learned from some of the best in the business. I'm so grateful for my time there. There are certain journalistic practices that you learn when you come up in this business, and telling the truth is important, and not running with stories when you don't have all the facts is important. And, you know, I'm not talking. When I say that, I'm not talking about CNN and msnbc. They have no standards at all.

B (12:07)

None.

A (12:07)

They don't follow these journalistic standards. They run with whatever they want to run with, and they run narrative first, facts last. I'm not talking about them. But I have learned from, I would say, bigger corporations what to do and what not to do. And I think the new media is wonderful because you have all These new voices. And there are so many people that have great personalities, that grip people, and they have great, amazing audiences and they're good at getting attention, but they're not good at telling the truth.

B (12:37)

Right.

A (12:37)

And they don't know how to take care. Like, we, we have such a huge responsibility in the new media to tell the truth. And I want people to follow me because they like me, of course, but because they know that I'm not lying to them. I am not BSing them ever. I. It's. It's going to be way easier for me to get, like you said earlier, a bajillion views, talking about crazy stuff.

B (13:00)

Yes.

A (13:00)

And I do a conspiracy segment. I love conspiracy theories. I love talking about them. It's intriguing, but you have to do it in a responsible way. You can't just run with every video and every question. And there's certain things that you have to say to make people know that, hey, this is. We don't have all the facts. I'm just telling you what we know now. And certain things. So I get frustrated with the new media because I feel like we have some people on social media, especially not even just in the podcast space, but social media and things just. It's like wildfire how misinformation spreads. And then we have just this grifter class of new media that. I know that they all have each other's phone numbers. Go call each other.

B (13:41)

Right.

A (13:42)

If you have beef with someone, go call them. I don't want to be a part of this. But they bring everyone else in because they're monetizing off of their beef.

B (13:51)

Yep. Yeah.

A (13:52)

I know that Megyn Kelly has Mark Levin's phone number. I know that they have Ben Shapiro's phone number. I have no idea what they're fighting about at this point, because I don't care.

B (13:59)

I have no clue.

A (14:00)

I have no. I have no clue.

B (14:01)

I don't know how it all started. Oh, I don't either. Around the Israel thing, probably because that's where everything starts. But, like, I saw these comments from, you know, Megyn Kelly about Mark Levin and his manhood and all that, and I'm like, really? Like, this is where we're going? Look, I'm not above a good childish joke. Right. Like, I'm not saying that. I wouldn't say so. But, you know, this is the same woman, Megyn Kelly, who made the comment about, asked the question, the first, the very first question that Donald Trump was asked in the debate was Megyn Kelly, and she said, well, on your Twitter account you called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. And then Trump dropped the legendary only Rosie o', Donnell, which was the best response. That's when everyone knew he was going to win. But it's like, so you were clutching your purpose pearls about those types of comments and here you are 10 years later doing that, becoming that. Fine, whatever. But for someone like me, where you said trust is important and for me, consistency. That's not to say you can't change your mind when you get new sets of, you know, as Dan says, new sets of inputs could create new outputs. Right. If you have a new set of information, you could change your opinion. But what when I see whether it's Ben Shapiro, whether it's Mark Levin, whether it's Megyn Kelly, and these are all people who have had very successful careers, I'm not taking anything away from the accomplishments that they've made professionally. But when this type of thing goes on and then you have the president chiming in on it, there are why, you know, I looked this up yesterday and again, no, not taking away anything that this man has built. But Tucker Carlson has not once, not once on social media posted about the Save America Act.

A (15:41)

Not.

B (15:42)

That's the most important. It is the most important piece of legislation possibly in the history of our country in terms of securing our elections. You know how many times he's posted about Israel? I mean, hundreds. Fine, whatever. But why are we not focused? It's fine to have other things. I'm not saying everyone has to focus on what I want them to focus on because I don't like that either. That kind of. Karen, you're not talking about this. You must be, blah, blah, paid by someone. The amount of people have been accused of being paid by is great, by the way. If was one of those checks would come in, I'd probably put a bigger smile on my face. But nothing, you know, but if we would just focus on, I don't know, winning, you know, winning elections and pushing the agenda forward instead of like pointing a finger at a boogeyman country somewhere in the Middle east or, you know, somebody in the. Here some content creator said something you don't like. So they're an asset of a foreign country or whatever. It's just like this is. And the left is eating this. You know, they're eating this for breakfast, lunch and dinner. They love it because we're. Our eyes aren't on the ball. We're now worried about, you know, how big or small, you know, Mark Levin's package is because of what Megyn Kelly was talking about. It's just disappointing.

A (16:55)

The Democrats are in a weird spot, too, where they don't really have anything going on, but they love that we are falling apart because it's something to point fingers at. Yeah, but we. I mean, we. We are in a much better position politically, I think, with candidates. We have a deep bench of talented candidates that I think would be wonderful to carry this MAGA torch and this America first torch into the midterm elections and beyond. But my worry is the midterm elections, to your point, about certain people worrying about other things than, you know, the Save America act and actually securing our elections. This should be something that is bipartisan. This should be something that people have no issue with signing on to. I don't understand why there are Democrats and people in this country that claim to serve their constituents. How can you not pass this? How can you not make this a priority? What the Democrat. Their whole mentality about this is that women are too stupid to figure out how to change their names.

B (18:00)

It's great.

A (18:00)

And. And of course, minorities can't figure out how to vote and get an. Yeah. It's so asinine. And part of me, it's funny because they know that their voting base is stupid. So I eat that up because I think it's funny. But it. None of that is true. I mean, these people, they might be stupid, but they do know how to get an ID. Everyone has an ID because they know how to get beer on St. Patrick's Day, and they know how to get, you know, all the things that you need an ID for these days. It's just. It's stupid. But, yeah, the Democrats are. They're really floundering right now, and I guess the only person they really have is Gavin Newsom. Knee Pads Newsom. I know you were talking on the show earlier today about all of his little nicknames and, oh, yeah, new scum and all that stuff, but, yeah, that's pretty bleak, I think. But we have to get people to the polls.

B (18:49)

Yeah.

A (18:50)

And you were bringing it up. It's a great point about midterms. Republicans don't do so hot in the midterms. We really kind of lose steam. And I think we came off of this second Trump win and the second Trump administration, and we were maybe resting on our laurels a little bit. And then with, you know, everything with Charlie Kirk, and we were just kind of floundering for a little bit. We have to get that momentum back. And certainly Something like the SAVE act should be enough to get people out to vote and realize that the Democrats are. Are damaging this country.

B (19:21)

Yeah, well, and I look at the SAVE act, it's very unlikely that it is signed into law. It's just the truth. That's. It's not what I want. I want it to pass, but it's unlike that. It gets through the process. So we have to. We have to go back to 2024 mindset, pre save Act. We've won elections without the SAVE Act, Right? So we can win elections without it going forward. Not to say give up, say, prepare for the worst. Because if you're sitting there thinking it's going to pass, it's going to pass. Going to pass, and then you're let down. You're like, what are we going to do? You should have been prepared. Right. This is about 15% chance this thing passes. Fine. Push as hard as humanly possible to get it passed. Call your senators, call your representatives, do as much lobbying as possible. Mobilize people. No problem whatsoever. Make your videos, post your content, talk about it, post about it, campaign on it, do what you've got to do, but prepare for it not to pass, because there's a better chance that it's not going to pass than it is going to pass. And that's just reality. Right? So go back to pre SAVE Act, Pre Save America act. Mindset of too big to rig. We won in 2024 despite a very flawed election system. How did we do it? We got people to the polls. We embraced early voting. We did a lot of these new strategies that we used after 2020 and that disaster and 2022 in that disaster where, you know, turnout was terrible. Right. We did a lot of new things and, you know, rallied the base, rallied the forces, and got out to the polls. We're not doing those things right now because there's. I was talking to Brennan about this, actually. Like, there's no incentive, there's a monetary incentive to post garbage on social media. You get paid for it. Right. Last two. Two years ago, when there were drones over New Jersey, someone started a rumor that they were trying to find a nuclear bomb that went missing in the United States. And that was the story for a week. A bomb, a nuclear bomb. You, you know, talk about screaming fire in a movie theater. You're going to get people to think that there's some sort of chemical bomb or nuclear bomb missing in the United States and that there's drones sniffing them out. I don't know how that rumor even Started, but it started. And the lies traveled faster than the truth. But there was money involved. You got paid to do that. There was a financial reward. There's no, like real financial reward. The reward for me, why I go out and door knock and we're gonna do it again this weekend. And I encourage.

A (21:36)

Yeah, I wanna talk to you about that too.

B (21:38)

The reward for me is, oh, I want a sheriff candidate in my county that we can trust because of what we've been through. Right. But not just the sheriff's candidate. I'll probably knock on those same people's doors if we're doing something in Congress or if we're doing something for our mayor or if we're doing something for the senator or we're doing something for the governor. I'm going to wind up knowing some of these people. It's me again. I want a different campaign. You know, can I talk to you about Candidate ABC or whoever it might be? But nobody's, you know, any comments I got on my post that I posted about that saying I don't see enough influencers doing this. First of all, don't call me that. I don't like that.

A (22:12)

It's insulting.

B (22:13)

I'm not trying to influence anybody. I'm trying to win an election. Okay, Obviously influencing people to vote is different, but my point is just if, if we would, if we would just the folks, maybe the 10,000 or so followers would just do this maybe once a month in their neighborhoods for whatever campaign. We would. I'm telling you, we'd never lose another election again. Get out in the real world. I know you're not going to get the monetary windfall from X. It's one Saturday. Just do it for one day. Get out in the real world and talk to people. Right. You know, there's real world conversations that we could have with real people about real issues to motivate them and get them to the polls. And you know how X is. You get bottled up in an algorithm and your followers sometimes don't see you. You're not even reaching the thousands of people that follow you every time you make a post. But you are every time knock on a door and you talk to a person or you talk to a family, you are reaching those people following face to face. There's something to be said about that real world conversation and you will make a difference if you just do that. You don't have to knock on hundreds of doors a day. You don't have to work yourself to death like Scott Pressler does on that vicious cycle that he sometimes gets himself into. And I admire how hard he works, and I really want him to be healthy and take care of himself. He seems to be doing really well now. But it frustrates me that the folks that the posters, the keyboard warriors, only nothing being done in the real world. And I mean, I'll admit, we could do better. I could do better. We're gonna go out again on Saturday. But I.

A (23:42)

We could all do better. We could all do better. And I think, yes, we should post on social media about certain things. Cause I think that's easy. And you can send a post in 20 seconds and you can get something out. And who knows? Even if one person sees it, five people see it, it can make an impact.

B (23:58)

That can't be the only thing you do.

A (24:00)

Right, Exactly. So this all stemmed with you getting involved in your community and your door knocking. Most recently, this is stemming from you getting swatted a few years ago, so. Or last year, right?

B (24:10)

Last year, yeah. Yeah. So just about a year ago.

A (24:12)

Take us through that story and then how this got into the whole sheriff's campaign.

B (24:16)

Yeah, well, we got swatted because some people don't like what I say on the Internet, which I know is shocking. I'm definitely not. But how.

A (24:22)

How could they not like your trumpet person, definitely.

B (24:24)

No, I said, I think they like that. I don't think they like anything else. Right. But it was a wave of these swatting attacks that took place last year in March to almost 20 people. And so that happened. And it was over the course of November. It was mid November of last year. We were at an event hosted by our mayor called T Bones in Politics, which is like, my two favorite things. Steak politics. You got me sold. That's it. So I did a little bit on the stage. There was part of the program, which was cool. And I come off, you know, we're talking to some folks, and a group approached me. Hey, you know, my name is Kenneth Barrett. I'm running for sheriff. I said, brennan, look, sheriff candidate, this is an important race for us because of what happened. And so I said, oh, sheriff candidate, you know, And I told him my address and what happened. Oh, I. I remember that because it never happened before. There big news in the neighborhood, right? You know, we had just moved in, too.

A (25:22)

You were like, we're the new kids on the block now. All the. All the neighbors think we're crazy.

B (25:26)

The neighbors are like, like, 10 terrorists who've been there. Like, oh, geez. But one of the people that were with him, Kenneth, who's the candidate was telling me, he goes, you know, I heard that call come in and I thought it was suspicious because, you know, the call that came in that sent them to my house was about gunshots. But it was only one call. Well, usually in a situation like that, at that time of day is around 6 o', clock, more than one household is going to hear gunshots and call it in. Right. So it was only one call. So they wound up calling me first before they pounded on the door, which avoided what could have been a very tense incident. It was already tense because there's cops in the yard pointing guns at the house. But when, when that.

A (26:11)

So they already knew you.

B (26:13)

They didn't knew.

A (26:14)

Oh, they didn't?

B (26:14)

No, no, no. Somebody called pretending to be me, said I killed my parents and that, and that they were bleeding out and that if. If they entered the house, I was going to shoot. That was the call. So now the cops, if they're knocking on the door, are on edge, probably thinking I may be shooting. Well, they called me first, the sheriff's office, because this one guy told them, this doesn't sound right. Why don't you check in with the homeowner?

A (26:35)

Okay?

B (26:36)

They call me and say, hey, we got a call that said, you know, you shot your parents and you're ready to commit suicide by cop. And I said, well, hold on, none of that's true. And I'm willing to do whatever I have to do to demonstrate that there is no threat.

A (26:48)

You're like, what did I, what did I tweet about Hillary Clinton today? Did I say something?

B (26:51)

I was like, you just tell me, tell me what you need me to do to tell you, to show you there's no threat, and then we'll cover the rest of it. Right? So, but because, you know, this guy was with the candidate, I was like, you know, this guy surrounds himself with some really smart people, and we met with him a few more times and bumped into him a few more times, and that led to, you know, us volunteering to help.

A (27:11)

Yeah.

B (27:11)

And great family guy's daughter was outdoor knocking for him. She's out for eight hours. Can you help my dad run for trip? I'm like, holy cow. You know, so what does that say? Right? So that's. We believe in them. And it's a. And it's a race that means a lot to us. Now, there are other candidates in the race. We're not getting down and dirty, doing a dirty campaign. I'm not talking crap about anybody, no disrespect. To anybody else in the race. If you're in Rutherford county and you're watching and you're like, I don't want to support him, fine, whatever. I would ask, maybe you reconsider, but no matter who the new sheriff is, we're going to want to get to know them because we are a target. Period. End of story. We're a target, but we feel like he's the best guy for the job. And so instead of just saying we, we support you, you know, well, we're going to get out and we're going to. We're going to support you. And I know the best way to do it is to go door to door. If it didn't work, the Jehovah Witnesses wouldn't exist and there would be no door to door salesman. It works. You got to do it. And we had some great conversations on Saturday. I told this story to a few people because that's why we're out there. Why do you guys like, well, here's my backstory. You have a minute. Here's my back. And you're like, what? I got the pictures on my phone so they know I'm not making it up. And they're like, well, he's got my vote. You know, if you think he's the best, being what you've gone through, he's got my vote. So we believe in the importance of the race. That's number one. We believe in the candidate. That's number two. And we're, you know, doing put up or shut up. We're not just going to say, I'm not going to go on my show every morning and say, door knocking is great. Making phone calls is great, and then shut off the cameras and go to sleep.

A (28:41)

Right?

B (28:42)

We're going to practice what we preach. Otherwise, we're hypocrites. And getting back to the beginning of this conversation, there are a lot of people who say one thing and then do the other or the total opposite. And when I find out about that, that you're saying one thing, you're not practicing what you preach. Well, now you looking for endless entertainment this spring, now through March 31, get Paramount plus for just 2.99amonth for the first two months. Dive in with new series Marshals in the Madison. You will have as much life as you allow. It's like Landman. This ought to be good. Live sports, including ufc, March Madness on cbs and so much more. Membership has its privileges. Head to Paramount plus to pick your plan and start streaming today. This episode is brought to you By Cologuard. Do you know what's really scary? Not screening for colon cancer when you turn 45. The cologuard test is non invasive, requires no special prep or time off work, and ships right to your door. In just three simple steps, Cologuard takes the scare out of colon cancer screening. If you're 45 or older and at average risk. Ask your health care provider about the Cologuard test. Cologuard is available by prescription only. Learn more or request a prescription today@cologuard.com screen tired of partisan noise? America's more divided than ever. But independent Americans is adding light to contrast all that heat.

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There's a lot of yappers and not a lot of doers, so. But you've been a doer for a really long time. So we have a photo of us in 2021. I believe this is 2021. I was scrolling on my phone, I couldn't believe this. And we have a photo of me. I was doing some reporting for Newsmax.

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Yeah.

A (30:46)

And this was at a protest in New York City. And this was outside of the governor's mansion. And I was interviewing Sean about, you know, you were in charge of Long Island Loud bidarity.

B (31:00)

Yes. And what a time that was.

A (31:02)

What a time that was. Which we'll get into too. But I thought that this photo was so funny. I said, wow, look at, look at us then and look at us now. We're in comfier chairs. We're in chairs.

B (31:13)

Definitely much more comfortable right now than I was that day. It was hot. And Black Lives Matter was yelling at us across the street.

A (31:20)

And I was trying to think too. This was about COVID right? It was about COVID restrictions or lockdowns.

B (31:26)

There's restrictions and vaccines, vaccine mandates.

A (31:28)

Yeah. And I was rip roaring mad about the vaccine mandates. And I always say this. I've been conservative my whole life. Even before I knew that I was really conservative. Before I really was paying attention, I was conservative. And because this is just the morals and values that I was brought up on.

B (31:45)

Right, Right.

A (31:46)

And then when I started paying attention, it became obvious. It wasn't just inherent, it was obvious. And then I was making a, a choice to be conservative and to vote Republican. And a lot of this stemmed from the fact that my first job was in local news. And I thought, well, this is boring. I. I gotta get out of this. And to each their own, right? Local news is great. It definitely serves a purpose, but I was bored. And I thought, I want to do something bigger. I want to talk to more people, cover stories that impact the nation, the world, not just one little town or what have you. And I started working at Fox. And one of my first tasks when I was an intern at Fox, or one of my first jobs, even after graduation, because this was in 2015, 2016. Election was coming up. I had to watch every single Hillary Clinton speech. Oh, gosh, every single Donald Trump speech.

B (32:37)

Okay, that's not so bad.

A (32:38)

I had to listen to everything. I had to take notes. I had to pull the best parts. So I figured this is the most informed I'm ever going to be going into an election. I've heard every single thing that each candidate has said. And Trump. It was an obvious decision for me. I was already gonna vote for Trump regardless. But after hearing everything that he said and everything that Hillary said, I thought, well, this is just. This is obvious.

B (33:02)

Painfully obvious.

A (33:03)

Yeah. But Covid for me was almost a black pill moment where I got so angry at the government and what the government is capable of. Like, I think I was just sort of living in the clouds like I thought that people were. Everyone who runs for Congress has, you know, their constituents best interests at heart, and everyone's a good person. And I do think that most people who run for office have good intentions. We just have greatly differing viewpoints on how we're going to get there, you know, with Republicans and Democrats. But, you know, the COVID thing really opened my eyes. And once your eyes are open, they. You can't go back. So the COVID thing was crazy. And you were doing the Long island loud majority. That was. When did that start? That was.

B (33:47)

That was.

A (33:48)

Oh, so it was during COVID It was right.

B (33:49)

It was right around time. Right after the Summer of Love.

A (33:54)

Right.

B (33:54)

What really got me upset was all the protests. I don't want to say protests. It was riots with George Floyd. Okay. I don't have a problem if you want to do a march, a Black Lives Matter march, if you're not destroying property. I may not agree with what you're doing or how you're doing it or what idea you're presenting, but if you're peaceful, it's your First Amendment right. The best thing about the First Amendment, and I say this all the Time. I may not agree with what you're saying. I may not agree with what you stand for. If you are exercising your first amendment right in accordance with the law, I will fight to the death for you to be able to do that. Even if I disagree? If you're being peaceful, I don't have a problem with you being out there. I have a difference of opinion. We could debate it out. We could do it over a beer. We could talk in person. But it's your right to do it. Do it. Fine. That's not what they were doing in Minneapolis. There were AutoZone being burned down, the fiery of mostly peaceful. All this whole thing. So that started to get me upset. And then people in New York started to do these like, reopen the state type rallies and the local news, back to back they went from look at all these brave protesters in Brooklyn shutting down the Brooklyn Bridge in the name of George Floyd. Nazis to like, Nazis are trying to open New York. And I'm like, now that's not cool. How could you tell me that one group protesting is great and the other group protesting is a super spreader event?

A (35:20)

Right?

B (35:20)

Are you telling me that the virus is reading the signs and saying, okay, that says George Floyd, leave him alone. That one says, you know, Cuomo's gotta go get him, you know, and so, no, you're not gonna tell me to not protest. I'm the type of person, if you couldn't tell that if someone tells me not to do something, I want to do it. You know, it's really bad when you're like, don't press that button. It'll cause a bad thing. And I'm like, I wanna do it, I wanna press it, I wanna press it. It's one of those things. So over the course of that summer, that kind of stuff continued. Then the Chaz Chop zones in Seattle,

A (35:57)

and then they said, where's my vegan cheese? All of a sudden it was so great to live in their own little world, their own little fantasy world, this little hamster bubble that they created in the town center in Seattle and Portland or wherever. And then they thought, oh, well, where's my vegan cheese? I don't have access to this. All of a sudden it collapses real quick. People need access to the outside world.

B (36:17)

Exactly. People upset in New York about, you know, some of the stuff we were talking about yesterday, the rules. You can go to a bar, but you have to order food. But buffalo wings don't count. But soup counts because soup isn't served at a bar. Therefore you can't drink at the bar, therefore people won't go to the bar. Hurts the business, you know, keeps the, the amount of people in the business, you know, down to a lower number. The whole nine yards. The. The curfews. Oh, you have till 11, then you have to go home. And then like one day he's like, oh, it's 12 now. What, did you make a deal with the virus? What's the. How did you. Oh, my gosh, in the name of science. Right. All this. So just that, the oppression, the boot on the neck feeling. So there were these birthday parades. I don't know if you remember these. You know, the kids would throw birthday parades. They would drive past the birthday kids house. Yes. And throw the presents out the window.

A (37:01)

I went to a drive by baby shower.

B (37:03)

Yep. So I'm sorry.

A (37:04)

And I just had to hang out the side of my car, hey, congratulations that you had your baby.

B (37:08)

Right. So I'm sitting there going, well, interesting. So those are okay. We've set the standard that those are okay. Then they started the boats with the flags. Right. The Trump flags. And I went out and I watched one once. I flew my drone over it and VR it was whole thing and made a bunch of friends there that I didn't know before. They were all there to see him too. But nobody wanted to admit they were a Trump supporter.

A (37:29)

Right.

B (37:29)

Cause you didn't know if you were gonna get something thrown at you. Right. So. But I was like, screw it. I put my flags up on my truck and I cranked the Trump rally from the night before. So everyone knew why I was there. And they all came over and we were like, oh, you're here for the boats. This is great. I'm driving home that day and I'm like, that shouldn't be the way it is. We shouldn't have to hide who we're voting for. This is America. And I think there's more of us than there are of them. And I hate that I was like, you know the term silent majority is cool. Like it's, oh, we're gonna come out of nowhere. But why? Why be silent? What's the point of this cowardice? We should be loud. We should be loud. A loud majority. So started these driving rallies on the road. Not everyone has a boat, but almost everyone has a car. You know, even if you're a minority, somehow you found a way to get an I.D. despite Kathy Hochul's, you know, inclinations. But we started doing that. And these rallies just grew. 300 cars the first time. 3,000 cars. The second time, you know, we did 10,000 at one point, 15,000 vehicles. And there's so many people. And that turned into, you know, again, it's more than just waving flags and cars on the road. How can we use this to achieve some electoral victories? School board seats were flipped, many of them, much to the dismay of the teachers union in New York, who visited my job and left notes on my windshield.

A (38:47)

What?

B (38:48)

Yes, the teachers union did this in New York because they were very unhappy that our little grassroots army was depleting them of funds and beating their candidates. They were very unhappy. A state senator in New York, Anna Kaplan, she called me to. She compared me to Timothy McVeigh. I said, well, I know who I'm going after. Lost her seat. Should have kept your mouth shut. You know, I mean, seriously, right? School boards, legislative seats, district attorney seats. We came within six points for Lee Zeldin in New York in 2022. I mean, this was a real. A real movement that was born from, you know, out of protest, out of, you know, rebellion, if you want to call it that. But we turned it into something, and Kevin Smith is still running it now on Long Island. We turned it into something that. That was achieving actual change. But it was not easy. It was a lot of bad food choices, awful diet, no sleep, lots of death threats, lots of negative media, you know, lots of barbs and arrows and slings coming at us 24 7. But, you know, we're in it for the right reason, trying to make a difference, trying to make a change, and we achieved that. But that's how that. That whole thing started. And. And again, I mean, I was working in a paint store. I wasn't doing Trump yet. I didn't have a platform. I was. I was in a paint store and said, let's just see what happens. So, like, Dan told you about your podcast. Just do it. Just. And I said to anybody, just try. And you're not going to get overnight hundreds of thousands of views, but over time, you put in the work and you're in for the right reason, you will be successful, I promise you. You just got to commit.

A (40:28)

I remember because I was scrolling on TikTok in 2020. 2021.

B (40:32)

Yeah.

A (40:33)

And I saw your videos impersonating Trump, and I thought, I got to get this guy on Newsmax. I remember I booked you on Sean Spicer's show. Then I went over to Fox News Digital. I booked you on Tomi Lahren's show. I was like, this guy's great. I want to get him out there. But, yeah, it's amazing what you can do on TikTok. I posted a video of me talking to President Trump in the control room when I was working at Fox.

B (40:52)

Yeah.

A (40:53)

And that's when I started gaining a following on TikTok. And I wasn't even really supposed to post that. You're not supposed to film yourself at work and post it on social media. So I quit my job. Then I posted it, then I went to Newsmax. I was like, this is my. Maybe they would come and sue me. But they didn't. They never did. But that's how I started gaining a following on TikTok. That was in 2021.

B (41:13)

I met my wife on TikTok. That's how Brendan and I met. She commented on my video about William Shakespeare. I was doing the Trump thing and thought one of my comments, one of my, you know, one of the lines in the joke, we call him Bill. You know, Trump was his nickname. William Shakespeare, we call him Bill. She thought that was the funniest line ever. And I was. I commented back and I said, yeah, she's pretty cute. This is cool. I went to her profile, she had her Instagram.

A (41:36)

She's very cute, by the way. She's not just pretty cute, she's very cute.

B (41:39)

I see this in there. Beautiful. I'm like, I'm gonna go follow her on Instagram. And I did what every, you know, 29 year old guy would slide right in the DMs. And it worked.

A (41:50)

It's a modern love story.

B (41:51)

Flew down to. That's the best part. It's like, how'd you guys meet? You're from New York, you're from Florida. We're like, TikTok. What? That worked. It was like, yes, it worked. It was great. You know, so that's why we say we get along well with China. China.

A (42:05)

Thank you for their.

B (42:05)

Thank you. She's great, your love story. She's great and really wanted to be here, but obviously with everything that we've been through and cats at home, so she want to, you know, I know.

A (42:15)

I DM'd her and I said, you're coming to Florida this week.

B (42:17)

Right? She was so. She really appreciated that, by the way, that you reached out and she wanted to be here and. And do that. And maybe at some point we'll have a way to do that. But. But yeah, it was a TikTok love story.

A (42:29)

That is awesome. That is awesome.

B (42:30)

Wild, right?

A (42:31)

So I want to ask you, because there's this whole manosphere conversation Happening. And I watched this documentary on Netflix. It's Netflix, Netflix documentary. And it's called Inside the Manosphere. And I believe the documentarian is Louis Thoreau, and he does a bunch of documentaries, document documentaries. And I had never heard of them before, so I'm not a huge documentary person. I watch them and I like them, but I'm not big into it, so I'd never heard of them before. But I watched this documentary on the manosphere, and, you know, the manosphere conversation is interesting. What is your definition of manosphere? What do you think people are talking about when they say manosphere?

B (43:15)

I had no idea.

A (43:16)

Okay.

B (43:16)

I heard when I first. When you first sent to me this thing, I was like, what is that? You said it's documentary on Netflix. I had no idea what that term even meant.

A (43:22)

Okay.

B (43:23)

Right. So I still don't really know. I guess maybe it's like the. I don't know if I had to put a. Just based on the context. So I've heard it talked about, like, put my. Put a. Put a finger on what I think it is. It's like the way. What the way men think, behave and act. Or like the.

A (43:39)

A little bit. A little bit. But what it is, is during Trump's election most recent win, it was attributed to the manosphere because he had all of these. This swell of support amongst the younger generations, men and young men, Gen Z, Gen Alpha. And they were attributing this to the manosphere because he did Theo Vaughan's podcast, he did Joe Rogan's podcast, he did Aiden Ross. Right. So he's kind of putting himself into this space that had a huge male influence and huge male followings. So I think that there's the manosphere, where there is kind of manly men who are in the podcasting space, men that other men might look up to. Then there's this. Because I watched this documentary and I don't know if anyone in the chat, I think a lot of people have canceled Netflix at this point, which I. If you've done that, good for you. But I did watch this, and they're basically following influencers like Sneako Myron Gaines. They're following HS Tiki Talky. I've never heard of this person before. HS Tiki Talk.

B (44:50)

You've never heard her name is that.

A (44:51)

But these people have millions and millions of followers, and they have this huge influence. And a lot of them are conservative in that they follow Trump. Right. They like Trump, and they've even be. They've been photographed with President Trump. But what they put out on their social media platforms is not necessarily what we think as modern conservatism. They really, really hate women. They only objectify women. It's almost giving radical Islam in a way. Like, it sounds like people on social media claim, oh, you said this about Israel. You probably got a $7,000 check, which again, I don't know where this came

B (45:26)

from, by the way. Who is the APAC guy and where do I sign?

A (45:30)

And who has gotten 7,000 gotten paid yet? Who has gotten the $7,000? I don't know anyone personally who has gotten that. But anyway, so you never.

B (45:39)

For the record, you never. For the record.

A (45:41)

No.

B (45:41)

Okay, me either. All right.

A (45:42)

For the record, no.

B (45:43)

All right. Over two and.

A (45:44)

Yeah, so I don't know about that, but these people on social media, if they were being bought and paid for getting $7,000 checks from Radical Islam, I would believe it because they're saying. And listen, I think it's pretty funny when people say that women shouldn't vote because I'm conservative. So if women didn't vote, it would be my preferred outcome anyway. Right. The Republican would win. So I think that it's funny. But at the same time, I do think that I'd rather fight against illegals voting. Women voting is really not my. My biggest gripe at the moment. Yeah, we've got bigger fish to fry.

B (46:18)

Much bigger fish.

A (46:20)

But, yeah, a lot of these men, they have such anti Women, they hate women. It's almost. It's giving radical Islam. It's also giving homosexual, in a way.

B (46:29)

Yeah, that's what it sounds like.

A (46:31)

Yeah.

B (46:31)

I wouldn't be shocked. You know, I wouldn't be shocked. You look at someone like a Fuentes, for example, if it comes out that, you know, this guy prefers members of the same team, I wouldn't be shocked.

A (46:41)

Right.

B (46:42)

Just look at the way he acts. I don't know. I don't believe in the whole gaydar thing. You know, I'm not generally a good.

A (46:51)

Justin's laughing because he says that my gaydar is broken. I think that everyone.

B (46:56)

You think, oh, you think everyone's gay?

A (46:58)

A lot of guys now I think are gay.

B (47:00)

In order for me to think someone's gay, I need someone to be like, really flamboyant.

A (47:04)

Right.

B (47:04)

You know, like, I. If I had one look at like, even like an Anderson Cooper, I wouldn't know, you know?

A (47:09)

Yeah.

B (47:09)

I was shocked when I found out that he was gay.

A (47:11)

Really?

B (47:11)

Yeah. I was like, what? They were like, well, you couldn't tell. I was like, no, that's why I said what.

A (47:16)

This is why I suspect any man who's clean cut is automatically.

B (47:19)

Automatically gay.

A (47:20)

Right.

B (47:21)

So. But like, you see the way he talks. Fuentes and all this. It's. Now, the new Ayatollah of Iran might be here.

A (47:29)

You might be. Listen, this is what I'm saying is your radical Islam. They're drinking the water. The radical Islam homosexual pipeline is. Is.

B (47:36)

There's a thing I heard from members who served, like, in Iraq and Afghanistan, that there's a lot of gays in that culture.

A (47:46)

It's just suppressed, I guess.

B (47:48)

Yes, well, it's illegal.

A (47:49)

Right.

B (47:49)

So they have their woman and they use their woman as their. Essentially, as their beard.

A (47:53)

Beard, you know.

B (47:55)

But I wouldn't be shocked if, you know, half of these people on this manosphere, whatever, are actually either gay or, like you said, radical Islam or just, you know.

A (48:04)

Yeah, I don't know.

B (48:05)

It's not good.

A (48:06)

The interesting thing about the documentary is that they looked into this and the guy who did it, again, I don't know much about him. I think he's probably a libtard, but I don't know. And he was looking into all these people and found out that a lot of them grew up without a dad. Either they.

B (48:22)

There you go.

A (48:22)

Either they grew up with an. In an abusive household with an abusive dad, an alcoholic dad, an absent dad. They were brought up by single moms. And it. There's definitely a link there.

B (48:33)

There's a link between that and so many others. Lack of a father in the home or a bad father in the home. Yes, Almost every time.

A (48:42)

Almost.

B (48:42)

Because there's an exception and there's some people overcome. It will result in stuff like that.

A (48:47)

Yeah, absolutely.

B (48:49)

It's not good.

A (48:50)

Yeah. And then I remember a few months ago, they went to the club in Miami, a few of these guys. So Nick Fuentes wasn't in the documentary. I think they were probably. Netflix was probably afraid to go to his house. All right. If I had to be honest. So he wasn't in it. Clavicular. Wasn't in it. The guy who beats his own face to get a big jawline. Have you seen this?

B (49:08)

I've heard of him.

A (49:09)

He hammers his own jawline to get. Yeah, okay. Which is one way to go about it, I guess. You could go to plastic surgery or you could do. You could diy.

B (49:17)

So he's diy.

A (49:18)

Yeah. It's just the cheaper option. But that's clavicular. In the club with Nick Fuentes and Myron Gaines was there. I don't know who else was there. I don't really follow these people, but I remember there was a conversation after this, Brett Cooper said that these were very manly men in the moment. And I. I just beg to differ. I don't. I don't see this. And I think, oh, these are the men that I want. Andrew Tate, like, these aren't the men that I want at the helm of the conservative movement. I think what they're lacking, maybe not in Nick Fuentes's situation, but what they're lacking is Christian faith. And I think there. I think Sneako actually recently converted to Islam. And I think that has a lot to do with it. I think there is this hatred of women and. Yeah, it's just. There's a male loneliness epidemic, if you've heard of that.

B (50:06)

Well, I mean, I hate to take one out of the left's playbook, but I think what you just saw on the screen there is almost an example of what they would call. Well, that's not what they would call, but toxic masculinity. That is toxic behavior.

A (50:17)

Right?

B (50:18)

Okay. And when I say toxic, it's bad for your mind, it's bad for your spirit, it's bad for your soul, it's bad for you. Right. It may feel good in the moment, but it's bad for you. Just like eating too many donuts. It tastes great, but you're gonna regret it in about a few months if you make a habit of that. Right? So that is toxic. And that's not what you want. If you're a parent, somebody raising a child, that's not what you want your child to look up to. You don't want your child to look up to Andrew Tate. You don't want not to say that maybe his athletics and his, you know, with mixed martial arts. Fine, fine, fine. Train. Be physically fit. That's not what I'm saying. It's the moral, the morality of it, the type of person that he is.

A (50:57)

Right.

B (50:57)

How he speaks about women. Same with Myron Gaines. Same with Nick Fuentes. Nick Fuentes, who said that 14 and 15 year olds are sexually mature, so therefore Epstein wasn't a pedophile. His words, not mine. Gross. You don't want your kids growing up to be someone like that. You know, I would say you want your children to grow up to be someone like a Philip Rivers. You want a nice role model. He played for the Indianapolis Colts last year after coming out of retirement. Five years or four and a half years out of the league. He's a grandfather coaching a Team of high school kids came out. Guy doesn't even cuss on the field. Has a family of 10, 10 people with one woman, his wife. He has co founded crisis pregnancy centers in Alabama. The guy is a devout Christian and he is an inspiration for the young boys that he coaches a high school football team. He went in the NFL. This group of kids watched him play this game. He threw a touchdown pass. This group of boys was going, they act like he was their father and you know, look up to someone like that. That's the type of person that needs the platform. He's not looking for that. Those guys are looking for the clicks, for the attention. Rivers is just looking. It's an attention thing and it's a shame. Jack Hughes, who just scored that game winning goal for the United States in the Olympics, who comes out and I'm proud to be an American. And it's not about me, it's about the team and it's, we're happy to win for the country. That's the type of person you want your, you know, your, your kids and youngsters to grow up to be. Like, not this. And unfortunately, I feel like society, because of the likes, clicks, views, social media clout, all those incentives, we kind of have it backwards. Yeah, that's not worth it. It's not worth selling your soul to be like that because you'll have a popular social media following. Wouldn't you rather know that you're going about life the right way, that you're doing things the right way, that you're not being a jerk to all these other people and especially women? Don't you want, you know, it's just, it's a shame that we're seeing young men fall victim to that because that should not be where they're going. They're being led astray.

A (52:53)

Yeah. And I think they are gaining so much attention because especially among conservative men and young conservative men, because they do have some overlap. There's a little overlap when it comes to hard work, not falling into this victim mentality, mindset.

B (53:08)

Sure.

A (53:08)

And we agree with that.

B (53:10)

I do.

A (53:10)

We also agree with being fit and healthy. Like we agree with that there's, there is some overlap between conservatism, modern conservative.

B (53:19)

Those are not the things I have a problem.

A (53:21)

Yeah. So this is why it's gaining so much attention. But anyway, this is not a toxic man next to me. And I am so grateful that you came here today. I want to get you out just a few minutes early so that you can make your flight back and you don't have to deal with any of the TSA stuff that's going on.

B (53:36)

Hopefully we don't have problems.

A (53:37)

Thank you so much for being here. This was so much fun. We've got to do it again soon.

B (53:40)

Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

A (53:41)

And thank you all for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed more. Sean. We can't get enough of Sean, so we've got to get him back. Hosting the Dan Bongino show today, yesterday. Such a great job. We love to have him here. And of course, you can follow me at Haley Karenia H A Y L E Y on social media and follow Sean, of course, Sean Farish for all of his Trump impersonations and more. And I'll see you right back here tomorrow. Thanks for watching. You got to do the dance.