Evil Terrorists Target Jewish Celebration - Hayley Caronia (Ep.197)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Nightly Scroll with Hayley – “Evil Terrorists Target Jewish Celebration”

Host: Hayley Caronia
Episode: 197
Date: December 16, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode opens with hosts Hayley Caronia and guest security analyst Scott Bryson (former Secret Service) confronting a heavy weekend of tragic news: a mass shooting at a Hanukkah celebration in Australia, a foiled terror plot in Los Angeles, a deadly campus shooting at Brown University, and the murders of filmmaker Rob Reiner and his wife. Hayley’s unapologetically conservative perspective underpins candid discussions on terrorism, gun control, safety tactics, and the politicization of tragedy—with a closing, personal critique of President Trump’s public response to Reiner's death.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Bondi Beach Hanukkah Shooting

[00:32 – 08:26]

• Summary of the Event:
  A father and son opened fire at a Hanukkah celebration (“Hanukkah by the Sea”) on Bondi Beach, Sydney. At least 16 people were killed (ages 10–87), including a 10-year-old girl, two organizing rabbis, and a Holocaust survivor. Over two dozen remain hospitalized; IEDs were found on scene.

• Quick Thinking Bystander:
  Ahmed Al Ahmed, a bystander, intervened by disarming the father, getting shot in the process, but ultimately saved lives.

  • "God bless Ahmed who stepped in and was willing to die to save the lives of innocent people." – Hayley (03:18)

• Perpetrators:
  Father—legal immigrant, licensed firearm owner; son—Australian citizen. Both allegedly pledged allegiance to an Islamic State group.

• Official & Media Reactions:

  • Australian PM Anthony Albanese referenced "right-wing extremism" and antisemitism as rising threats, which Hayley sharply criticized:
    "We have leaders in this world that just won't call it what it is, which is radical Islamic terrorism… they're going to jump at the opportunity to conflate the two because it fits the narrative." – Hayley (04:40)

• Australian Gun Laws & US Debate:
  Hayley outlines strict Australian gun regulations and argues these did not prevent the attack, using it to critique American Democratic calls for similar laws.

  • "There is no law or rule that will stop people from committing heinous crimes. It's already illegal in Australia to use someone else's gun… But right on cue, American Democrats are being asked about this mass shooting and they're hopping on this narrative..." (06:05)

• Violence & Evil as Constants:
  The hosts emphasize their belief that evil cannot be legislated away—if not guns, perpetrators use vehicles, knives, etc.

  • "You can get rid of the vessel… it doesn't matter. If they are that evil… they're going to find a way." – Hayley (08:29)

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Politicization of Tragedy

[09:35 – 10:01]

• Chuck Schumer’s Response Critique:
  Hayley shares a clip of Senator Schumer, who, while addressing the tragedy, segues into a sports comment— "Go Bills. They beat the Patriots today. It's a big deal." (09:42)
  • Hayley finds this tone appalling: "…I don't know how you could be so brain dead… There's no lightening the mood when there's a mass shooting and a terror attack of this caliber." (09:48)

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Expert Commentary with Scott Bryson

[14:12 – 24:28]

On Evil and Safety

• You Can't Legislate Evil:
  Scott reiterates that gun control is not a panacea for stopping violence.

  • "This is not a gun control problem, which the Democrats always make it about… It’s a good versus evil battle… it's manifesting itself in humanity right before our very eyes." – Scott (14:57)

• Shooter Profile & Family Response:
  Discussion touches on how perpetrators’ families often claim their children were "good"; the two shooters were isolated, devout, and described as "normal" by their mother—typical of mass shooter profiles.

• Islam, Extremism & Heroism:
  Scott differentiates between average Muslims and violent extremists, noting cultural/religious motivations in terrorist ideology.

• Praise for Ahmed Al Ahmed:
  Both hosts laud Ahmed’s bravery; Scott analyzes his intervention tactics, advising on best practices when civilian intervention is necessary.

• Active Shooter Safety on Open Terrain:

  • Cover vs. concealment is discussed; on a beach, the best defense is often to run.
  • "Your best friend is distance… If you don't have cover, you gotta get off the X and you gotta move." – Scott (22:20)

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Terror Plots in the US & Threat Adaptation

[24:28 – 32:55]

• Foiled Los Angeles New Year’s Plot:
  FBI disrupted a planned IED attack aiming for five sites, tied to a pro-Palestinian, anti-capitalist group (“Turtle Island Liberation Front”).

• Changing Nature of Terror Threats:

  • Small, decentralized cells are now the norm, with soft targets (e.g., schools, malls, parades) being most at risk.
  • "This is here to stay… These cells are all over… They're going to attack soft targets." – Scott (26:44)

• Public Safety Advice for Large Gatherings:

  • Hayley and Scott offer crowd safety tactics: stay near exits/perimeter at big events, avoid being at the center, and always plan avenues of escape.
  • "You need to look for an avenue of escape. It's going to be a little harder in the Times Square type environment, but if you're in a small town parade, you can still see Santa Claus from the third or fourth row." – Scott (31:34)

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Brown University Shooting

[32:55 – 42:37]

• Incident Recap:
  An unknown person entered a lecture hall, killing two students (including the VP of the Brown Republicans) and injuring nine. Shooter remains at large.

• Manhunt & Surveillance Challenges:
  Discussion includes the difficulties in identifying the masked shooter via security footage and the crucial role of public tips and surveillance technology (even garbage truck cameras).

• Call for Community Courage:
  Both express hope someone from the class will come forward to identify the perpetrator.

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The Murder of Rob & Michelle Reiner

[42:37 – 49:39]

• Details:
  Hollywood director Rob Reiner and his wife were murdered by their son (a known drug abuser, with a possible mental health crisis).

• Personal Dynamics of Familial Violence:
  Scott explains how attacks by family members place victims off-guard and discusses the differences between stabbing and shooting—stabbings often indicate rage and personal animus.

• Knife Defense Tactics:
  Advice is to run if possible, use improvised weapons (backpack, book, frying pan) if not, and always fight for survival.

  • "If you don't have access to a gun, I would say, again, run… you have to think outside of the box, especially in these confined spaces." – Scott (45:21)

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The Ethics of Public Response to Tragedy

[50:19 – 53:44]

• President Trump’s Statement on Reiner's Death:
  Hayley criticizes Trump’s response, which blamed Reiner’s "Trump Derangement Syndrome":

  • "He is gloating, making it about him, insinuating that Rob was made so insufferable because of his TDS that people closest to him wanted to kill him. Come on… when someone dies, you don't need to add a but, you just say something nice or you say nothing at all." – Hayley (51:23)

• Partisanship & Humanity:
  Hayley urges political opponents on both sides to "kill them with kindness" after death, and she voices disappointment in followers who justified Trump’s behavior or attacked her for criticizing him.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the inability of gun laws to halt evil:
  "Laws don't root out evil… Even if you did wipe every single gun off the face of the planet, violence would still take place because there are knives, there are forks, there are fists, there's evil in this world." – Hayley (07:51)

• On the importance of confronting terrorism honestly:
  "We have leaders in this world that just won't call it what it is, which is radical Islamic terrorism. It was not right wing extremism. They targeted Jews on purpose." – Hayley (04:40)

• Praising civilian heroism at Bondi Beach:
  "He did what very few people were willing to do… The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun or a guy with a whole bunch of courage." – Scott (19:07)

• On adapting to continuous terror threats:
  "This is the new 911 style attack… They love death more than we love life." – Scott (29:18)

• On public safety in crowds:
  "You don't have to have the very best seat… You need to look for an avenue of escape." – Scott (31:34)

• Calling for civility in the wake of tragedy:
  "Not dancing on the graves of your political enemies is the bare minimum… when anyone on our side, the President included, stoops to the left's level, I am going to call it out." – Hayley (52:54)

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Timestamps for Critical Segments

• 00:32–04:40: Bondi Beach attack summary, bystander heroism, event details
• 04:40–08:26: Political and media reaction, gun law critique
• 09:35–10:01: Criticism of Chuck Schumer’s tone
• 14:12–22:20: Expert Scott Bryson on evil, strategist profile, hero tactics, safety in open shootings
• 24:28–32:55: LA terror plot, threat landscape, public gathering safety
• 32:55–42:37: Brown University shooting, manhunt, and forensics
• 42:37–49:39: Rob Reiner’s family tragedy, knife violence, self-defense tactics
• 50:19–53:44: Trump’s response to Reiner tragedy, ethical standards in public discourse

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Tone and Style

Throughout, Hayley maintains a sharp, uncompromising, and sometimes sardonic conservative perspective—mixing empathy with moral clarity, skepticism toward progressive policies, and a focus on practical self-defense. Scott Bryson provides tactical insight, professional gravity, and non-partisan advice for public safety.

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Conclusion

This episode moves through a series of deeply disturbing events with candor and analysis, bridging headline news with broader cultural and political questions. The underlying message is a call for vigilance, moral clarity, and maintaining decency—even as the world’s chaos rolls on.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Welcome in a nightly scroll. I'm Haley Carnea. I see a lot of you in the chat asking about Mar a Lago and all of that. And I'll get into it tomorrow because unfortunately, we're starting off this evening with some tragic news out of Australia. A father and son carried out a horrific mass shooting at Bondi beach the night of the Hanukkah by the Sea event celebrating the first night of Hanukkah. And it was the first mass shooting in Australia in decades. And unfortunately, Fox News is reporting at least 16 were killed. Other networks are reporting 15, but we could say for sure at least 15, but it looks like 16 now. People killed, ages 10 to 87, which is just absolutely heart wrenching seeing the picture of the little girl who's 10 years old who died. Two rabbis that organized the event died, a Holocaust survivor died, and more than two dozen dozen others remain hospitalized, some of them in critical condition. And I hope that that death toll doesn't rise. But our prayers obviously go out to everyone who is suffering through this horrific attack. And officials have declared the shooting a terrorist attack. Some say that it was designed to target the Jewish people. I don't know how else you can really look at it. This event took place, it was again, like I said, to celebrate the first night of Hanukkah. It was a Jewish event on the beach, Bondi beach. And this father and son opened fire on the event. Also. Two basic IEDs were found at the scene and they were found active. Thankfully. You could see this video right here of this bystander that thankfully stepped in. His name is Ahmed Al Ahmed, and he was able to disarm the father and he didn't shoot him. But unfortunately in this, this exchange here, the by the bystander that stepped in, the good Samaritan that stepped in, rather, he was shot in the arm and in the shoulder, according to his cousin, but he was able to disarm the father. Unfortunately, the son was on a nearby bridge. He was also armed and still carrying out this attack. And the, you know, the man who stepped in here in, in the white shirt. He, he underwent surgery and he is in the hospital and is expected to make a full recovery. Thank goodness. And eventually police killed the father. This is why we have to thank this man that stepped in. Because when police, and who knows what happened, police eventually got onto the scene and killed this guy. But I just, I mean, God bless Ahmed who stepped in and was willing to die to save the lives of innocent people. Family members of him said that he was, he was willing to die for this. And we need more men like this to step in. Now the father that was carrying out this shooting, he was killed by police. Like I said. The second son is in critical condition in the hospital under police monitoring. And the father was a legal immigrant to Australia. And the son is an Australian citizen. The dad was a legal gun owner. All six firearms that were recovered from the scene belong to him. So the son was using his dad's gun or guns. And it turns out that these two men are extremely hateful people who had pled their allegiance to an Islamic State group. And the Australian Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese ended up blaming right wingers instead. Watch this.

[A]

We take Asia's advice very seriously. We work closely with them. We receive regular updates as well. The Director General of Asia has warned about a range of threats, be it anti Semitism, the rise of right wing extremist groups as well. And we continue to work closely with our security agencies.

[B]

So unfortunately we have leaders in this world that just won't call it what it is, which is radical Islamic terrorism. It was not right wing extremism. They targeted Jews on purpose. It was anti Semitism, not right wing extremism. But they're going to jump at the opportunity to conflate the two because it fits the narrative. And then it also fits the narrative to tighten gun laws that are already extremely tight in Australia. Some of the, I was looking up some of the laws in Australia and just how difficult it is. They, they, they've thought of everything. And I'm kind of being facetious because obviously they is no law that can prevent something like this. And this is a horrible example, but an example of that. And when you're in Australia and you want to be a gun owner, a lawful gun owner, there's no such thing as self defense. That's not a good enough reason to own a gun in Australia. So you have to demonstrate what they call a genuine reason for owning a firearm. And in Australia they believe that hunting and, and sport shooting or pest control is a better reason than self defense. I'm Grateful every day that I live in the United States, America, because what the hell are you talking about anyway? You have to go through background checks, they go through mental health concerns, criminal convictions, things like that. They ban certain firearms, they ban semiautomatic rifles, they ban pump action shotguns or they are highly restricted. There are mandatory 28 day waiting periods. If you want to buy a fire firearm now, you need to obviously secure your guns. They, like I said, all of these laws, these are the kinds of laws that Democrats in America still want to push. And with all of this, evil can still occur because laws don't root out evil. So in Australia they have now committed to trying to root out antisemitism and, and make it harder for law abiding Australians to obtain firearms. I'm again, I'm not really sure how they can make it more airtight. There is no law or rule that will stop people from committing heinous crimes. It's already illegal in Australia to use someone else's gun. So again, this goes without saying, but it's illegal to carry out a mass shooting. Criminals don't give a rip about gun control laws or any laws for that matter. But right on cue, American Democrats are being asked about this mass shooting and they're hopping on this narrative that, you know, Australia has set a really good example for gun control. And then in the same breath, here is Alon Omar basically admitting that Australia's gun laws didn't do anything to prevent this because they didn't listen become a normal.

[A]

Occurrence, not just in the United States, but now seeing it in Australia, who's worked really hard to create gun prevention laws to prevent the kind of tragedy that took place today.

[B]

So they've worked really hard to prevent the kind of tragedy that took place today. Not enough. Not enough. I mean, how hard do you have to work? I mean you would have to get rid of every gun that ever existed to get rid of gun guns, gun violence, Right. And even if you did wipe every single gun off the face of the planet, violence would still take place because there are knives, there are forks, there are fists, there's evil in this world.

[A]

People are driving cars in the crowds.

[B]

It just, it doesn't matter what the vessel is. You can get rid of the vessel, you can put laws on the vessel, you can, you know, ban them and it doesn't matter. People are going to find a way. People, if they are that evil in their hearts there, if there is a will to carry out a terrorist attack, they are going to find a way to do that it doesn't matter. If you tell them, you know, you can't use a gun, they're not going to listen. They're going to use a gun anyway. If you ban the type of gun that they want to use, doesn't matter. They'll find it and they'll use it anyway. If you ban guns altogether, they'll, like Andy said, they'll use a car. They'll plow into whatever gathering it is. They will stab you. They will. Doesn't matter. It's just evil. It's, it, it's impossible to root out. It's a, it's an unfortunate reality in life. But because there is good, there is evil, there is evil, there is good. But the worst response by far is from Senator Chuck Schumer, who apparently cares more about former football. Watch this.

[A]

And of course I'm going to say.

[B]

A few words about the terrible shooting in Sydney, Australia. Okay, so. And first, of course, as I always.

[A]

Say, no matter what, go Bills. They beat the Patriots today. It's a big deal.

[B]

I really. I, I'm not sure what was going through his head. I guess nothing was going through his head. I don't know why that would even come to mind. To say first, you know, of course I'm going to talk about these horrific shootings, but. What do you mean, but go Bills? That. It's shocking. It's absolutely shocking. I don't know how you could be so brain dead. And I forget what. It's just coming to my mind now. So I don't know off the top of my head, but I remember Joe Biden did something similar when he was president. There was some horrific attack of some sort and it is escaping my mind. And it's not that it's not important, but we have so many of these. I don't remember what it was, but on the day President Biden took the podium and said something about ice cream, it was really odd. I think it was maybe a school shooting of some sort. I don't know if you can, you guys can look it up for me, but I don't know if Chuck Schumer was taking a page out of Joe Biden's book. I don't know if he was trying to lighten the mood. There's, there's no lightening the mood when there's a mass shooting and a terror attack of this caliber. There just, there just isn't. It's, it's absolutely disgusting. But we have Scott Bryson Silverlock contributor, former Secret Service agent on deck to cover all of the details of not only the tragic Bondi beach killings, but also the Brown University shooting and also Rob Reiner, his murder, his wife's murder. We've unfortunately the news cycle is just we're keeping Scott busy tonight. Are you looking for a natural way to rejuvenate your skin and boost your wellness? Meet Bon Charge, a holistic wellness brand with products designed to help optimize your life. My personal favorite is the Bon Charge Red Light Face Mask. Started using it after nose noticing little breakouts, fine lines. What a difference. It helps with acne, wrinkles, eczema, migraines, even jaw soreness and razor burn. It is lightweight, doesn't get hot, combines both near infrared and red light to help boost collagen and elastin production. My skin is clearer, smoother and glowing. I feel confident and Bon Charge ships worldwide offers easy returns and their products are hsa, FSA and eligible. It is currently the Bond Charge Holiday Sale so you can save a massive 25% off. Just head to bond charge.com and your 25% off code will be automatically added to your order. The sale will end on the 31st of December of 2025, so hurry and don't miss this massive chance to save big on your favorite Bond Charge products. These statements and products have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or or prevent any disease or condition. Ladies and gentlemen, what will be your holiday gift this year? How about looking years even decades younger in minutes thanks to GenuCell skincare during Gen Cell Christmas and holiday sales. Save over 70% off their complete skincare package featuring Gen90 to help visibly reduce the appearance of fine lines, wrinkles under eye bags and even laugh lines around the mouth. Say goodbye to those wrinkles and eye bags that give away your age and get compliments this holiday season when you order today, Genucel will include their top selling Genucel Deep Firming Skin C Serum and Jenny Cell XV Anti Aging Moisturizer in your complete collection package. Treat yourself this holiday for 10 years off your appearance and everyone will see the difference. Guaranteed or 100% of your money back. That is the Jenny Cell promise. Go to jenny cell.com scroll jennucel.com scroll and and shipping is also free when you use my code at checkout. Scroll for an extra 10% off jennycell.com scroll jennycell.com scroll and on that note we can bring in Scott Bryson for tactical detail. Hey Scott, I know normally people are used to us Having a little bit of fun in our segment and we talk about safety tips and we've got ring doorbell footage and things like that. But of course, unfortunately the news this weekend has been a whirlwind of horrible news and tragic news and I couldn't think of a better person to break all of these details down. So thank you for being here.

[A]

I appreciate you having me. I know you and Andy and I were talking a little bit today on text and I'm still in a little bit of a funk. So I'm going to try to try to do a good job and be professional, but my emotions are still pretty raw. I'm really pissed. I know you are too.

[B]

Yeah, I think that's a normal human reaction when you see evil like this take place. And my heart breaks for the families especially. I mean, all of them. It is, it's just, it's so horrific. But to see, you know, a Holocaust survivor, a young 10 year old girl, I mean, all of these lives are innocent lives stolen and cut short. There's, there's no other way to cut it. So it's just, it's, it's really heartbreaking. But I wanted to get your initial thoughts of what we know now about these two shooters and what your take on this is.

[A]

Okay, well, I think first of all, I love what you said at the beginning of your segment about. Not. You didn't say it this way, but basically what you were trying to say is you can't legislate evil. This is not a gun control problem which the Democrats always make it about. You know, I think Andy piped in and said you could run. I mean, look at what they're doing at the Christmas markets over in Germany and different places. Paris, I mean, they've pretty much put that stuff on hold for right now because people, people are evil. We have evil in our hearts. And, and it's a, it's a good versus evil battle. And if you don't believe in spiritual warfare, then you need to wake up, smell the coffee, because it's manifesting itself in humanity right before our very eyes. This is horrible.

[B]

Yeah. And I heard that the mom was doing some local TV interviews. The mom of the son and of this father who said that her son was a good boy. He went to work, went to the gym, didn't drink, didn't hang out with friends. He studied the Quran and went to bed. That's it. And this seems to be like a common thread for mass shooters being loners. I mean, obviously it's pretty disgusting when you know, a mom can say that he was a good boy after he just killed innocent people with his father. But, you know, a lot of these people, they are troubled, they are loners, they don't have friends, they don't have outlets. And, you know, the way that this mom is painting him, you know, goes to work, goes to the gym, hang, you know, doesn't drink, doesn't get into trouble. I mean, I go to work and I go to the gym and I hang out with friends and, you know, I don't. I don't get into trouble either. This is not what we're talking about. She's trying to paint him like a normal, just normal, good person. And that's not what we're looking at. We're looking at pure evil.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, good. Good is defined by the eye of the beholder, I suppose, in those terms. I mean, you know, I watched a lot of videos today talking about Sharia law and different things. I'll be very careful how I say this. I know this platform is very friendly to people like you and I, the way we think. But just because I'm going to make an analogy here, just bear with me. You know, I used to say, you know, liberals were the problem. Liberals aren't really the problem. It's the. It's the left that's hijacked the Democrat party. So the liberal and Democrat politics, not really the problem is the left, the far left. Same thing in Islam. There's plenty of Muslims that are good people. Like the guy that. The hero that tackled the guys from Syria. I'm guessing he's. I mean, that doesn't mean he's a bad person. But these extremist, they believe in Sharia law, and they believe if you're not, you know, Muslim, then you need to be converted or killed. And that's why she thinks he's a good boy. I mean, go back to October 7th. There's video of a young man calling his mom, saying Allah Akbar, you know, and whatever else he was saying, and she was so. They were crying in joy, you know, that he killed all these people. And it's a sick mindset is what it is.

[B]

Yeah, it's absolutely a cultural difference and a religious difference, and we obviously don't. We don't celebrate the same things. I did hear, and I. I can't independently confirm this, but I did hear that Ahmed Alamed is actually Christian and not Muslim, but it doesn't really matter. But it doesn't even matter. Right. I mean, this is a good person who stepped in when, you know, his community needed it, and he saw innocent lives being taken, and he thought, I'm going to jump in and be the hero that this, that these people need in this moment, because, you know, police weren't there at the time, and someone needed to take this guy out and, and, and stop him. So I, I said in my intro that I think we need more men like Ahmed Alamed, and I mean that. But there's also a level to this where you have to know what you're doing and you have to be safe about it. So what did you see in that video? And not that, I mean, he did a wonderful job there, but what. What's your take on him stepping in?

[A]

Yeah, again, I want to be very clear with your audience. Our goal on the show is to never on the segment is never to victim shame. And I think he gets an A plus in my book. He did what very few people were willing to do, even here in America. You know, there are a few Daniel Pennies of the world. This guy's a rock star as far as I'm concerned. Were his tactics perfect? No. Who cares? He did something. You know, the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun or a guy with a whole bunch of courage. And that's what this guy did. He was patient. You saw him sort of stalk up behind the guy on his six. He was. Kind of came up from behind him. He was kind of using the car for cover. And then when he saw an opportunity to spring into action, he. He came up and, you know, basically tried to put this guy in a headlock, and he. And he took the gun from him. And the only. The only critique I would really say is, and I didn't see this until I watched it like 25 times, bless his heart. He had his cell phone in his. In his hand, you know, and he was fumbling and trying to put it. Probably just go ahead and get rid of. Go ahead and get rid of the cell phone. I know I harp on that. Your audience probably gets sick of me saying it, but put this stinking phone away. But he did an amazing job, you know, and I would also be very careful how I say this because, you know, I don't condone violence. Two wrongs don't make a right. But at that particular time, I think he would have been justified had he shot the individual simply because he was wearing a satchel. It could have been a, you know, a v, A bomb, you know, Naid. And unfortunately, the Guy went back up to the elevated position and started shooting again. So. And then he got shot as a result of, of interacting. I think he did a great job. You can see at one point he puts the gun down against the tree and kind of puts his arms up. I don't know if he was being communicated with police or not. I would, you know, I would certainly not want to be on the business end of somebody's gun. Here I am. Enter. They don't know who the good. Like you got to put yourself in the cop shoes too. They see guys with a gun, they just see dude shooting. They don't know he's the good guy. They don't know he's the Good Samaritan. So I understand why he did too.

[B]

I know. And then part of me thought, cuz in that video you can see the Al Ahmed Alamed takes the, the gun from the shooter and another guy runs up next to him. And I almost thought when I first saw the video, oh, that's maybe another guy working with them. I thought that he was going to maybe try to take the gun back. But you know, these are, this is earlier in the story and I'm sure more details will come out. But it's just, it's absolutely tragic. And you know, this took place on a beach and I know in our segment we try to let people know of the best ways to stay alert and also to keep themselves safe in a lot of different situations. And anytime there's a mass shooting, we kind of break down the environment and what you can do or what you can best do in that situation to keep yourself safe. And on a beach it's a little difficult. I would assume you're kind of a sitting duck because there's not much you can. I mean it's a wide open space. What do you recommend? Do you recommend if someone opens fire on a beach? I mean do you run, do you get down, do you try to hide somewhere? I mean it just seems like there's not a lot of places to hide in that, in that situation.

[A]

It was a bad situation for sure. And I want to be very careful once again to, to not cast aspersions will be because these angles that we see, we don't know, like it looks like they're just hiding on the beach behind a plastic chair. Maybe they needed to do that at the time. So I'm not going to throw stones at people. God, wasn't there. Yeah. But I think for, for me there's a difference between cover and concealment. We talk about that on here a lot, you know, like hiding behind a bush or a plastic chair. Concealment. He can't see line of sight, that's a good thing. Cover is a brick wall or an engine block or something. Like if those aren't available and there wasn't a whole lot of that out there on the beach. Run. You hear the gunfire over here, go the opposite direction because, you know, it's very hard to hit a moving target. I can promise you the movies make it look it's not easy to hit a moving target even for a real good marksman, number one. Number two, the ballistics on those guns only go so far. Now, I don't know what caliber rifle that was. It looked like a bolt action gun to me. Um, you know, it almost looked like a, it looked like a high caliber rifle. I don't know if it was like a, you know, a 30 out six or a shotgun with slugs. I don't really know what it was, but depending on the caliber of the weapon, it's only going to go so far. So the further you can get away from the. Well, I call getting off the X, the better you are. I've told you this before. On here, I used to work for a guy named Tony and he would say, Scott, your best friend's distance, you know, so if you don't have cover, you got to get off the X and you've got to move. You cannot. Which I know we're going to get to in a minute when we start talking about Brown University. And there are some different things we can talk about there too. But if you have an opportunity to move, you need to move. In tactics, it's called shoot and move for a reason. You're going to shoot and move, but if you're not shooting back at the guy, then you just need to move. But you need to do it. There needs to be some strategy to it because like the one, there was a couple of older gentlemen that showed up. Like the one guy threw a brick or something at the guy, but the guy was on the bridge. Yeah, I'm like, bro, what are you doing? I mean, I appreciate your boldness, but, you know, we still, we have to have some type of situational awareness and we can't just get the tunnel vision, which is, which is easy to do.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. And I'm assuming the further you get away, the better. And like you said, moving target to, you know, if you're running kind of staggered. I'm just thinking too how difficult it is to run on the beach. And also when you're scared for your life. So, yes, you know the best you can do in those situations. But it's hard to sell, it's hard to put yourself in those situations. You don't want to put yourself in those situations even to think about it. It's just, it's very horrific. But more details to come out I'm sure as this unfolds. So we'll, we'll get into that. But I also wanted to get into the FBI announcing earlier today that they have foiled a terror plot for New Year's Eve. And this was supposed to take place in the Los Angeles area. They said they arrested four people in connection with a pro Palestinian, anti capitalist extremist group called Turtle Island Liberation Front. Never heard of it. But FBI Deputy Director Bongino put out earlier, protect the homeland, crush violent crime. These words are not slogans, they're investigative pillars of the FBI. And then he referenced Patel's statement saying that over the weekend the FBI disrupted a credible imminent terrorist threat and arrested four individuals connected to the Los Angeles area. They were allegedly planning a coordinated IED bombing attacks on New Year's Eve targeting five specific separate locations across Los Angeles. What was your reaction when you, when you heard this?

[A]

Well, first of all, thank God for people like Dan Bongino and Cash Patel. We actually have some real leaders back in power. You know, there's a tremendous difference between leadership and management. There just is. And I've worked for both. I know Dan personally and I know he's a leader and he's going to lead from the front. So thank God for people like Dan. Although we know we miss him here. He's doing God's work and we're thankful for that. I think, you know, we have to let this thing play out like we always say. We always want all the answers right away, but we have to let the investigation play, play itself out. But here's my takeaway from, from this particular, this one storyline. This is, this is here to stay. This is, this is the new. This is almost like, you know, how the Cold War went on forever and ever and ever. And it was a little different than like World War II and Vietnam. It was, it was. The Cold War is just different. It's almost like guerrilla warfare now. And you know, shouted her out before and I'm going to, I'm going to keep throwing her out there. Sarah Adams and Scott Mann are screaming at the top of their lungs about this is the new, this is the new 911 style attack. Now do they want Something big and gregarious. Of course they do. If they could get their hands on some airplanes and fly into some buildings, they would do that. But they're going to do. They're here. I hate to tell you, they're here. These sales are all over the place. Not just Cali. They're, they're east coast, west coast, Texas, whatever. They're in Montana, believe it or not. These dudes are here. And they're going to attack soft targets. School, church, play them all, movie theater places where there's large gatherings of people. You know, I'm not going to be a hermit crab and I'm not going to live in perpetual state of fear, which is what the enemy wants us to do. However, comma, I am going to be smart, I am going to be strategic. Do I want to go and watch New Year's celebration? And I've never been in New York on New Year's Eve. I think that would be fun. And there's no chance in hell I'm going to be at the Times Square now. That ship has sailed for me. And I just think we, there's want to haves and there's need to haves, and I just think we have to be strategic. That's all.

[B]

I know. And it's sad because you don't want to live in fear. And I think a lot of people, their mentality is, you know, lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place or they think, well, what are the odds that something bad happens to me and I can't live my life in fear. I have to go out and experience these things. And if something bad happens, then it happens. And I think people's threshold for violence is so high now and everyone is so desensitized to it that I think these terrorists, because they are terrorists, whether it's domestic or foreign, they want to make a big impact. That's what terrorism is. That's what a terrorism attack is. And you were talking about, you know, if they could grab a plane and fly it into a building like 9 11, they would do it. And they can't. So they're going to adapt, right? If they can't do that, they're going to adapt. And I think, you know, the left like this is supposedly some pro Palestinian, anti capitalist group. And you know, we've seen how these protests shake out in this country, that they're not peaceful anymore. They are riots, they are. There are attacks on police officers. It doesn't really shock me that now these radical political groups, when, you know, their Default is domestic terrorism. It's like their protests were soft, launching this in a way that, and now these other groups are like, well, now we have to up the ante.

[A]

Yeah, no, it is, it's almost like a beta test, isn't it? I mean, it's very interesting how they, they have adapted and we as a Western society are so far ahead of them, light years ahead of them in most things. But when it comes to mindset, we're not. Because I hate to tell your audience this, and I'm preaching to the choir, I understand that, but they love death. Chris Plant says this all the time. They love death more than we love life. And trust me, I love being here. I can't wait to go to heaven. It's going to be awesome. But I'm enjoying my life here right now, too. And. But if a man or a woman, and they come in all shapes and sizes, men and women, it's not just a bunch of dudes. It is mostly military age men, but there are women involved too. So you can't judge a book by its cover. Right. But they love death and they think they're going to be rewarded with 72 virgins and all these things. I mean, I don't know how you fight it. I mean, you just have to. You have to. It's steady pressure. It's, it's the foot on the gas. It can't come off. You don't live in a perpetual state of fear. I'm not going to live in fear. Like after 9, 11, I was a Secret Service agent. I had to get back on an airplane. I'm not going to stop living. I'm just going to make what I consider wise decisions. That's all right.

[B]

And you know, I've been in New York Times Square on New Year's Eve before I was working at Fox News. So I was working. And I will say you're not missing anything. And I would urge people to not go because it's probably freezing cold. The year that I went, it was freezing cold and raining and thankfully I had access to a bathroom. But a lot of the people that are in the crowds, they put on a diaper and they, I guess that's their idea of fun. I don't understand it, but whatever. Let's say that there you are speaking to people who are, you know, like me a few years ago, and they have to go, right? Or they're working it. I hate to say this because I think if it's something like a bombing, it's hard to mitigate the, the damage. Right. But if something, if it's a shooting or, or a bombing or something, what are your safety tips in a situation like that, like a large crowd on, on New Year's Eve? Whether it's, doesn't have to be Times Square, obviously. This was planned for five different locations in Los Angeles. It could be anywhere. It could be the fireworks show in your town. So what do you do?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's human nature to want to get a good seat, like on a parade, Christmas parade. Right. In my hometown of Concord, North Carolina, where I grew up, where I was a cop many years ago, they had a shooting. It was crime on crime, but they had a shooting at a Christmas tree lighting in a small town. And we think that we have to get up and get on the front row and have the best seat. But if there's bike rack, which I know there's tons of bike rack and Jersey Bears and all these hard barriers right in Times Square, you're going to get up there and you're going to get smushed in there. You're not going to be able to get out and it's going to be like a stampede thing. So the first one ends probably going to be the last one out. You know, I would say try to stay toward the edges, just like I know we're going to talk about in a minute. A lot of the people that were, a lot of the victims at the Brown University thing were kind of stuck in the middle of the classroom. You need to sort of stay toward that. In my mind, the perimeter, like, okay, right there's the door. I'm going to sit near the door. In case something bad happens, I can run out there. It's a little easier doing a classroom setting, I understand, versus Times Square. But these are things you got to think about. You don't have to have the very best seat or the very best venture. You need to look for an avenue of escape. It's going to be a little harder in the Times Square type environment because you got millions of people down there. But like, if you're in a small town parade, you can still see Santa Claus on the fire truck just as good from the third or fourth row than the front row, if that makes any sense.

[B]

Yeah, no, absolutely it makes sense. And that brings us to the next horrific story that happened over the weekend, and that was on Saturday afternoon. Two students were killed when a unknown person entered a lecture hall and started shooting with a rifle. Nine other students were wounded. One is in critical condition in the hospital but you're looking here on the screen of Ella Cook. She was the vice president of the Brown Republicans. And Mohammed Aziz Omer Zakov. I'm probably pronouncing that incorrectly, and I apologize, but he was. They both had obviously bright futures ahead of them. Very smart. Ella Cook, like I said, vice president of the Brown Republicans. The Mohammed, he wanted to be a neurosurgeon. These are two rising stars that were murdered.

[A]

And.

[B]

There'S no words, right. It's so horrific. And these are kids who are young. Ella's not even 20 years old. And it's so horrific to know that their parents have to bury their children. And it's something that. It's so horrible. And Providence PD earlier released this video of what they think is the gunman walking. And it's. Honestly, you can't even really see it. It's like this black. He looks like a shadow figure walking and against the bushes or whatever is behind him, it's very hard to see him. But maybe someone would be able to identify his walk, his gait. But apparently as of a few minutes ago, the FBI has released a photo. So if you guys could try to find that and pull it up, that would be great. I just saw a CNN update on it, but they said that they released a description saying the shooter is approximately 58 with a stocky build. And they showed another photo. It almost looks like he's wearing a beanie and a black face mask. So if we could just pull up this photo that they have. Um, but he's wearing like a jacket that's two toned, like a color block jacket. It looks, it's a dark color and then it almost looks like a green color. Dark pants, dark shoes. But it looks like he's wearing a beanie and, and a black like Covid face mask. And he's still at large. They had someone in custody yesterday and they released him last night as of, I think it was around 10 or 11pm last night. And this guy is, is still at large. So, I mean, how long does this take, you know, once the photo is released? I think we've, we've seen this with the Charlie Kirk assassination where this guy was at. At large for, for days. And once the photo goes out, you know, then everything changes because now the public can maybe better identify this guy or help authorities. And I think that that photo that the FBI put out is pretty good.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's going to take the FBI. My humble opinion, it's going to take the FBI coming in and sort of taking the bull by the horns. No disrespect meant to the Brown University, you know, campus police or local police officers or whatever. Unfortunately, when you're in small, smaller towns, you're going to have, you know, like the mayor, I was watching him talk today, and I'm not going to get off on politics, but it's. What I don't want to do is I don't want to take a page out of the left's playbook and polit. Although it's worth noting, because that's what they do. It's like if, if the guy looked like me, you can believe they would say, steve Smith, white man is doing whatever. But because it doesn't fit their narrative, most likely they don't want to say it. And that's. I'm not gonna get on my soapbox about that, but. Because we don't know. But the FBI is going to have to come in there. They're gonna have to probably get a sketch artist involved. They're probably gonna have to potentially give out a reward. You know, I don't care how friendly you think you have about five friends in your whole life that you could really count on your ride or die, you know, but, like, when, when they start waving money at people, people are going to start snitching because people are selfish and greedy. And I think that's, that's one approach they may take. I'm not going to presume to tell Dan Bongino or the FBI how to do their job. I know they know what they're doing, but I think they're going to have to come in there and, and really canvas the area. It's hard for me to believe. I've seen things today where they were talking about that they didn't have CCTV or was out there. I'm like, dude, it's Brown University. These are very smart people. Not only that, but you can't go five feet without being captured on a ring doorbell or, you know, any type of light pole. Like every traffic lights almost just about got cameras on. Here's an outside of the box thing. I'll throw this out there to the police that they're not asking for my help, but I'm going to give it to you. We solved a case last year on a missing man who wandered off, who had dementia, because we had a captain who was smart enough to say, hey, why don't we pull the footage from the garbage truck? I didn't even think about that. Garbage trucks have cameras too, for all types of reasons. Mostly for cya, in case they, you know, get blamed for damaging something or whatever. But like there are vehicles out there, like a garbage truck with cameras on it that might have an image. There's got to be an image or images of this guy somewhere. It's just hard for me to believe that they don't have a little bit. When I say they, I mean the locals. I'm not blaming the bureau, but like I feel like they may know a little bit more than, than what they're saying. And again, I'm not trying to tell them how to run their investigation, but you need to throw it out there to the, to the populace to see if you can positively. I did ID this guy because the longer we go. We've talked about this before and here, Haley, after 48 hours, it gets harder and harder to solve. And I mean, you know, it can be solved, of course, but it's going to take, it's going to take some help.

[B]

Yeah, I wonder how far he can get. And who knows, you know, like you said, there's cameras on garbage trucks and people have ring doorbell footage and things like that. I mean, it's very hard to get too far. But again, once you get into a car, once you get, you know, it, it makes it harder. But I know that the local Providence PD had said something about releasing another video. And I don't know if that has come out yet, but once I, when I was preparing for the show and when they put out that other video, they kind of teased on another one and I don't know if it was what the FBI had just put out those photos or if it's something different, but that video with him walking and he's wearing all black, I mean, I, I don't think anyone could have identified him from that video.

[A]

Well, here's something I meant to say a minute ago and I forgot. He was in a classroom. I don't know how many kids were in that study hall classroom. This happened, I think on Saturday. They were doing a study like the, the TA was. From what I understand, the TA was running the, the study sessions. Like 21 year old kid running the study session. You can't make me believe. Now, unless he was just a random kid from a different class that was coming there doing some type of targeted thing on that particular classroom for whatever reason, I don't know, but it makes me think if he was in a study, you're not mandated to be in class on a Saturday night. They were studying. So I just can't help but believe someone in that class, hopefully knows who it was and will have enough courage to come forward. I mean, you've got to do the right thing.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. This is another one that I'm sure. More details to come. I'm sure even by tomorrow or even later tonight, we'll get some more details and obviously we'll stay on it. But another story, horrific story, is the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle. They were murdered by their own son in their own home. And I wanted to talk to you about this because, you know, the son has been arrested and he's being held without bond. But this is a very. This is a horrible situation because I think the son had been dealing with some drug problems in the past. Unclear whether or not he was on drugs during this incident or if he had gotten clean or just struggling mentally. We don't know the whole story yet, but when someone who, you know, a face that is a familiar face, even someone that you love comes into your house and wants to do harm to you, this puts you at a disadvantage, right? You're. You're not expecting. It's not like a stranger coming into your house where you think, let me go get a knife or let me go get my firearm. I mean, this is someone that you don't feel like you have to defend yourself from.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And it's more than likely. I mean, they've had, I would imagine, like any human interaction, They've probably had ups and downs, and this probably was not the first time he came in upset about something. And they probably, you know, God rest her soul, I can't imagine that they would think that something this gruesome would happen with their own flesh and blood. I mean, your mother and father, it's unbelievable. They probably thought they could just talk him off the ledge. And, you know, I don't want to speculate. I don't know what happened in that house. It's just. It's horrific. But to your point, it's your. It's your own flesh and blood coming into your home. So your guard is going to be down. Why would it be up? I mean, it's just. You can't. You just can't explain this except for it's pure evil. It's what it is. It's evil. And it's just. It's, it's. It's horrific.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, it is. And I'm not really talking about this situation specifically, but just in general, I want to know your. Your thoughts on this. You know, what makes a killer stab their victims instead of use a gun? Did he just know that he was able to get close to them because they're his parents? Is it easier to conceal, do you think maybe he didn't have a gun? I'm just wondering if there is a guy, a reason why someone uses a knife versus a gun or if there's anything, you know, like that. That.

[A]

Yeah, well, we won't obviously know until we interview. Until they interview him, unless he confesses, you'll never know. But my, my thought is access. You know, it's California. Having access to a gun is super hard. So sometimes it's access. Although if you want a gun, you can get a gun. I don't, you know, you put all the laws on the books that you want. I mean, a criminal is going to get a gun if he wants it or if she wants it. So I would say access is probably one part of it. The other part of it is probably, it could be just pure rage. It could have been, you know, I don't want to say crime of convenience, but maybe, maybe they got in there and, and maybe he was on drugs and maybe, you know, maybe he was hearing voices. Maybe, I don't know, maybe it escalated and he didn't intend, like, I don't know if it was premeditated or not. Right. So was it premeditated? Did he show up with the weapon or did he go to the kitchen drawer and maybe the situation escalated and he just grabbed a knife and, you know, did, did what he did instead of going to a gun. But to me, when, when a knife is involved, to me that's very personal and very anger filled, like rage filled. I mean, just, I've never stabbed anybody and I have never been stabbed. And I would, honestly, I'd rather be shot than stabbed if I'm being, I don't want to be either, but I don't want to be stabbed. That's, that's horrible.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I just think that's extremely personal and violent. And to me that shows extreme angst and anger and just very disturbed.

[B]

Yeah. And I, I, to your point, we don't know how this went down. We don't know if he was already at the house and something escalated or if this was something kind of premeditated where he had planned on doing this and, and showed up with a knife or got one in the house or anything like that. So obviously we'll stay on this when we get more details. But similarly, it just got me thinking because of the Bondi beach situation where we had Ahmed Alamed Disarm the shooter if you are unarmed, you don't have a gun, you don't have a knife. Can you. I mean, obviously you can, but how do you disarm someone with a knife if you are unarmed? Like, what is a good way to do that?

[A]

Oh, gosh. I mean, that, that is. That's a tough situation. You know, what I would always say is don't bring a knife to a gunfight. But not everybody abides by the Second Amendment. Not everybody has access to that. Some countries, depending on where you live, you may not even have opportunity here, because I would always say, you know, you know, revert to the Second Amendment and pull out my. My firearm. Having said that, you know, this is a known statistic in the police world. A person with a knife, if they're within 21ft of you, they can get to you and stab. You know, they might not kill you, but before you can come out of your holster and get a shot on target, they are going to kill. That's why police officers, people like, why they have their gut out, because that dude's got a knife. And a reaction is much slower than an action. And if that guy's within 21ft of you, he can get to you and at least get one jab in before you can shoot him. So if you don't have access to a gun, I would say, you know, again, run, get. You don't, you know, live to fight another day. We're not looking to win the fight. We're looking to survive. So get away from the guy. Just get that. Now, if you're stuck on an, On a train, probably not going to be able to do that. So you need to have something you could hit them with. You know, whether it be a book, these aren't great suggestions, but this better than nothing. Hit them with something, you know, a book bag. Throw your cell phone at them. Hit them with a. Hit them with a stick or a rock or, or whatever, you know, I don't know. Like, when I was at. When I was a school resource officer, I had the secretary at the school. I gave her a can of. Of soup to put in her drawer. I might. Listen, I know this isn't great, but if, if it hits the fan, at least throw something at him, right? You know, I don't know. You have to. You have to think outside of the box, especially when you're in these confined spaces. None of this is great strategy, but it's. It's better than nothing. And I would say move away from the attacker. Best you Can. That's why we talked about a couple weeks ago when we, we talk about these ring doorbell things. These have something pre staged, have a, have an old golf club, you know, nearby, or baseball bat, something like that. You're not going to have access to that when you're out in public, but have something like in a classroom, pick up a chair. You know, the strategy for the attacks that happen in these school settings especially is avoid, deny and defend. You want to avoid it at all cost, then you want to deny access. So maybe if you have an opportunity to lock the door and barricade yourself, if you can't get off the X, then you've got a barricade.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In North Carolina, we call it a blackout. Everybody, the lights go out, everybody gets quiet. You barricade yourself. You hide from the entry point so the person comes up and looks in the glass. He or she can't see in the room. They don't see anybody. They go to the next thing. You want to, you want to make yourself the hardest target possible. And at the very end, listen, I watched a couple of videos today because I was looking this stuff up and I just ran across random acts of violence, like people getting sucker punched in Walmart or walking down the street. Dude, you've already gotten punched one time. At least fight back. I mean, don't just stand there and take. It's what I'm trying to say. Like, I know not everybody's a fighter, but if you've already been attacked, fight back.

[B]

Yeah, I think in this specific situation with the Reiner family, I mean, again, I don't know if this is a crime of passion or something. I mean, we don't know all the details and I don't want to speculate, but I'm assuming that, you know, Rob and his wife Michelle, one of them had to have been stabbed first. Right. Unless he had, you know, two knives. And it was at the same time, you can assume that one got stabbed first. And you know, you're saying, you know and you're using other situations as examples, but I can't see a husband or a wife, you know, running from their son who's killing their spouse. And unfortunately in this situation, you know, I don't think that running is an option. I mean, maybe you try to disarm your own son, but I think a lot of emotions running wild in this situation. It is absolutely tragic. So, you know, my thoughts and prayers go out to their family and I hope that the, you know, this son, whatever evil is working in him, it's just, it's so horrific. And, you know, I'm praying for the rest of their family. I can't imagine this kind of loss. It's just horrible.

[A]

Yeah. And let me just clear one thing up. I guess I misunderstood your question. I. In terms of if I was there and watch. Yeah. You're not going to run away.

[B]

No, I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

[A]

But like, I guess my brain went somewhere else. But if you're in the house, you know, there's frying pans, there's coffee pot. I mean, hit him in the head with a coffee, I don't know. But you've got to fight back. If you can't just stand there and cower because this is the end result. Now, I'm not to say that they. Coward. I don't know what happened, but.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you for being here and all your insight. I appreciate it. Couldn't imagine a better person to break all this down with. I know it's bad news, but hopefully next week we'll get back to our normal scheduled segment.

[A]

Thanks for having me.

[B]

Thank you again. You can follow Scott. He is Scott Bryson, bts that stands for beyond the Service on Social Media. And he has the best safety tips. So we appreciate him. Silverlock Contributor. But I wanted to just get into President Trump's response to Rob Reiner's murder and Michelle Reiner's murder and he said this. A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away together with his wife Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump Derangement Syndrome, sometimes referred to as tds. He was known to have driven people crazy by his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump. With his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump Admin. Trump administration surpassed all goals and expectations of greatness. And with the golden age of America upon us, perhaps like never before, may Rob and Michelle rest in peace. And when I first read that, I mean, it hit me like, oof. That I did not like that. I don't think that this was the way that President Trump should have handled this. I don't care if, if Rob Reiner had tds, and he did, he did have tds. I don't care if he hated Trump. I don't care if he hated all Republicans. You do not use someone's death to dunk on them one last time. And I posted that on X and I got a lot of hate for it, which I'll get to in a little bit. But, you know, Rob Reiner didn't die from TDS or any side effect of tds. And that's gross to insinuate his son stabbed his own father and mother. And whatever. Rob believed in life about politics doesn't matter now. His life was taken too soon. Michelle's life was taken too soon, and in a horrific and tragic manner. And when people celebrated Charlie Kirk's murder, we said it was wrong and disgusting and demonic, because it was. And, you know, people unnecessarily said, well, I didn't agree with everything he said, but he didn't deserve to die. He. But he didn't get deserve. You know, he didn't deserve to get shot in the neck. And, you know, we were all kind of collectively saying, yeah, you don't need to have the disclaimer at the top. You can just say, nobody deserves to be shot in the neck for saying what they believe. You don't need a. But when someone dies. And now I am not saying that Trump is celebrating this death in the same way that those demons did with Charlie. This is much different. But he is gloating, making it about him, insinuating that Rob was made so insufferable because of his TDS that people closest to him wanted to kill him. Come on. You know, when someone dies, you don't need to add a but you just say something nice or you say nothing at all. And honestly, if President Trump didn't mention anything for Rob's death, I didn't think that people would really give a rip. I wouldn't have expected the President to make a statement about it, but he did. And he basically said that his TDS led to his death, and he really did have tds. But we don't know what motivated their son to do this. But all we know, that it was evil. You know, life is a beautiful gift. And it is sad when it gets cut short in such a tragic way. And it's sad when Republicans die, and it's sad when liberals die, Democrats, Independents. That doesn't matter. And you all know how I feel about Trump. I love Trump. I love Trump's personality. I think it's funny when he triggers the libs. I think he has a great sense of humor. He tells it like it is. And I love all that. Those are some of the reasons why I love that he is the president. And this is why I voted for him. But all of that needs to take a back seat. When someone dies, even if it is your arch nemesis, just don't say anything at all. And, you know, I know that Rob had said some terrible things about President Trump in his life. And, you know, he is free to hate whoever, whoever he wants in this country. He is free to speak his mind and he will face whatever consequences he is meant to face for what he did in life. And I mentioned that I posted this on X earlier. I said I was disappointed in the response, and I was actually so shocked at how many people were upset with me for not being okay with people on our side responding with hate. And I'm normally very proud of the side that I am on. I am proud to be Republican. I am proud to be conservative, because we're the good side, we're the side that isn't violent, we are not evil. We don't dance on the graves of our political enemies. That's what the left does. And this is the bare minimum standard to have, by the way. Not dancing on the graves of your political enemies is the bare minimum. So when anyone on our side, the President included, stoops to the left's level, I am going to call it out. And yet there are people insinuating that I, I want Trump dead or I'm a liberal, or I'm weak, or I'm thin skinned because I didn't think that Trump's post was funny. Um, I think that Trump could have made a death announcement post without making it about himself. That's it. And, you know, I had people calling me all these names under the sun, and that just showed me that we have snowflakes and betas on our side, too. And they really don't like when people disagree with them on anything. And they're more like the left than they'd like to ever admit to themselves. And yes, President Trump has been through hell and back. I proudly voted for him three times people were in that comment section justifying, well, he's been through hell and back, so therefore, he should be able to, you know, tweet whatever he wants. And he can. He can. But that doesn't mean that he walks on water, and that doesn't mean that I have to like everything that he does. And if you've watched this show long enough, you know that I'm going to tell you my opinion whether it's popular or not. I don't believe in cancel culture, and I don't care if you like it or not. I'm going to speak my mind. And when I was reading through all those comments, it just got me thinking about the saying, you know, kill them with kindness. Right. And when I was reading those comments, it just. It occurred to me that apparently some of the people who follow me on X, it would kill them to be kind. And that was pretty disappointing on a lot of fronts because it's not hard to be better than the left. They make it pretty damn easy. So I think when we are confronted with the opportunity to do something kind of. I think it's the easy road to take and it should be. But I wanted to end the show on that note because there's. This is a lot of heavy stuff and I think it's inappropriate to head into scrolling time and joke around. So everything that I had planned for the rest of the show tonight, I will be delivering you tomorrow. And I appreciate you all for being with me and for listening to me. Even if we disagree, I appreciate it. It's what makes this country great. So you can follow me on social media aileycarnia on most platforms, and you can watch this show again tomorrow. I'll be here and I hope you will too. Bye.