A (2:56)

Issue of transgender athletes competing in women's sports has made it all the way to the highest court in the land this week. And the highest court heard arguments in two key cases on Wednesday. Little versus He, a case involving a Boise State University track team, hopefully a man who wanted access to the women's team and was denied. The second case was West Virginia vs. BPJ, which centers around a 15 year old boy who is denied access to the girls middle school sports teams. Well, the court is poised to uphold the transgender sports bans in both cases, despite some of our Supreme Court justices still not knowing what a woman is. I'm looking at you, Justice Katanji, John Braxton or Brown Jackson. Listen to this.

B (3:44)

You have the overarching classification. You know everybody has to be.

A (3:52)

Play.

B (3:53)

On the team that is the same as their sex at birth. But then you have a gender identity definition that is operating within that meaning a distinction. Meaning that for cisgender girls they can play consistent with their gender identity. For transgender girls, they can't.

A (4:15)

Okay, we can do away with the word cisgender. Cisgender. It means nothing. Just girls versus boys. What do you mean cisgender girls versus Transgender girls? It's just girls versus boys. But my next guest knows what a woman is. He was also there at the Supreme Court with a front row seat of all the action earlier this week. Alvin Louie is president of Courage is a Habit, an organization that equips parents and legislatures with strategies to protect children's innocence. Alvin Louie joins me on tonight's episode of Nightly Scroll. Hey Alvin, friend of the show. I'm glad to have you back on.

B (5:04)

It's always a pleasure to see you, Haley. Thank you so much for having me back.

A (5:08)

Of course. So I saw that you were at the Supreme Court, which Is awesome. How did that all come to be? What was that experience like?

B (5:16)

It was really great to be there. I was lucky to be invited by the amazing law firm that brought the suit alliance Defending Freedom. Also, my friends over at do no Harm, they. They've been doing such amazing work on dismantling the transgender cult. Obviously, the lawsuits are hugely important, but right off the bat, I want to tell you the best part about being there. And there was a lot. But the best part was to see so many young middle schools and high school female athletes out there.

A (5:45)

Cool.

B (5:45)

They were out there. They were strong. They looked healthy. They were just. They were energized. I mean, part of it is you feel bad because we have let them down because they should not have to be doing this. They shouldn't. They should. Is insane that they have to spend time doing this defending their right to. To have sports. I be exclusive to them. But I will say that not only them, but there were also boys. I mean, certainly not as many boys as the girls, but there were, you know, high school boys out there. I talked to a few of them, and the story is always, always the same. They either have a sister or a girlfriend that's a female athlete. And Haley, one of the things that really encouraged me, because of course, courage is a habit, we do this at the K through 12 level in the public schools and private school, really encouraged me was that I saw that this generation hopefully got unfortunately, a front row seat as to what inclusive and diverse and all the lies of wokeism. And they've lived through that. And they saw that it really destroyed their lives. And I'm very hopeful that as they grow and then they get the leadership positions that they won't. They won't be fooled again.

A (6:54)

Yeah, it's so sad, too, with these little girls, because it's kind of bittersweet, right? It's. It's great, like you said, that they're out there. And then it's sad, too, that they're even having to go to the Supreme Court and hear these cases. I mean, they shouldn't have to defend their right to compete against only women. This seems like something that, you know, in our country was decided a while ago and certainly thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago, it was determined that men are men and women are women. And. And we've seemed to stray away from those biblical truths that we know and love, and everything has, you know, everything hinges on those until now. So it's. It's just crazy to see up till.

B (7:40)

Five minutes ago, nobody ever Questioned. What's a man, what's a woman, what's a boy, what's a girl? If you said a child can be born in the wrong body, or a man says, I'm a woman, up till five minutes ago, we would put you where you belong, which is an insane asylum.

A (7:54)

Yes.

B (7:55)

And we should still put them back there because they are insane. But then, of course, we got there for a lot of the reasons that we talked about before in your wonderful show. It's using. Weaponizing empathy, weaponizing kindness. And good people just kept taking a step back and taking a step back over the years until now we're over the cliff, and they're quite literally invading women's spaces. You're talking about spa sports, prisons, shelters that are meant for women, especially shelters, and, you know, where they're. You have really vulnerable women, and they're invading that and certainly into schools and everything. You know, when I was out there, you know, I was out there for almost the entire time. I think I only missed maybe, like, the last 30 minutes when the crowd was dispensing. But I wait, you know, I was out there for the whole time. It was such a. It was really just such a. A diverse set of people. You had feminists out there, you had gay people out there. You had atheists out there. You had religious people out there. You had young people out there, old people out there, because the majority of human beings understand that men should not be in women's spaces. That's the one thing that. That. That everybody can understand. But because there's so much. The transgender cult really only has one power is weaponizing your empathy. And as we always say, our courage is a habit. If you reject inclusion and embrace exclusion, so many of these problems go away. And you know what? The best. The best line that anybody can say is, I don't care whatever they say. Simply say, I don't care. You're hurting my feelings. I'm unseen. I'm unheard. You're misgendering me. Whatever. I don't care. Once you don't care and you rob them of your empathy, a lot of that goes away.

A (9:38)

Right. And you just have to not care about being called est and phobic this and whatever. Whatever names they come up with, who. I don't care. Right. But I think what's a little frustrating, you know, President Trump does so many great things, and we are all so happy to see him sign executive orders banning, you know, men and women's sports. It was one of the first things that he did in office. And you know, we're all like, this is what I voted for. But it's not just this flick of the wrist, flick of the magic wand and this whole thing goes away. And like we're seeing, you know, now some of these cases are being heard by the Supreme Court. So how does this happen where President Trump signs an executive order, but then this trans stuff is still happening?

B (10:22)

Well, there's a few angles to that and I'm so glad to hear you say that because so many people in your positions, you know, that do really good work, unfortunately, really inadvertently lied to the public by saying woke is dead or we've won. That actually sets us back because now parents going, great, President Trump signed this executive order not understanding what an executive order really is. And then they don't use that executive order. So when it comes to K through 12, there's a double sided, double edged coin here at the double, double sided coin here or a double edged sword. We should not have the federal government be able to tell the schools what to do. That's how it should have been. But when the Obama administration came in, they weaponized the federal government. And so now we're in this loop where the K through 12 education in all 50 states become a political football. And it moves depending on who's in, who's in office. And so our, our, our enemies, the transgender cult, are, are really good about this. When Biden's in office, they'll say, hey, we have to follow federal law. This is what we have to do. But when President Trump's in office, they'll say, we don't have to listen to the federal government, we just gotta listen to the state. So they try to get it coming and going. And a lot of parents, because they are very good people, don't know how to fight this. Where they, where they do it the other way, where they, where they really use President Trump's executive orders and really force the schools to do it. Certainly there's some states that are doing it. Some, you know, like in Maine, we've been doing a lot of work in Maine to do that in certain other states as well. But this is what happens. And so these, especially the blue states, they really go, no, they hide behind the laws in the state. But here's the thing, Title IX is federal law. And so that's where the fight is. So the reason why they can still do it is because not enough parents swarm the school districts and demand that boys are out of the girls bathrooms and sports and things. And so they wait they wait for the courts. And while the court's important, and I am so excited that the Supreme Court's going to go the see it the way of common sense. That takes time. And in that time you've got girls suffering from this and more importantly you've got kindergartens and middle schoolers being brainwashed that this is something that they have to be an ally for.

A (12:42)

Right.

B (12:42)

And one of the things I said on the ground when I said, I probably said it maybe like 60 times when I was on the, you know, in front of the steps there is as, as excited as we are about what they're doing in that beautiful building. If we don't get it out of elementary and middle school, those kids will grow up to vote it all back in.

A (12:59)

Right? They'll vote.

B (13:00)

That's where every, right. And that's where every individual has to, has to get into the fight whether you have school age children or not.

A (13:07)

Yeah. And the Supreme Court, you were explaining to me, you know, they heard arguments in these two cases, these two key cases this week, but they won't decide on this until the spring, probably June.

B (13:19)

July is what we're thinking.

A (13:21)

Okay.

B (13:21)

Obviously there's no guarantee, but that's, that's usually kind of, I think we're expecting that they'll decide that on June, July. Now once they decide that, and I, I hesitate to say they'll see it our way because that's it. They, they'll see it the way of common sense.

A (13:35)

Right. Follow the Constitution, right?

B (13:39)

Well, they'll follow common sense. I mean literally, it doesn't matter where you are. You can go into the other side of the world where there's no Constitution. Everyone knows what a man and a woman is. But so I hesitate is our side because it's just a side of, of nature and biology and common sense. But when they take, when they decide our, our way, the way of common sense, I, I, one of the things, like I said, a lot of parents will just say, well, we won. And that's not true. The, but even when the highest court in the land say they can't do it, other states will say, well, that's West Virginia and Idaho. We don't have to follow it. They will only follow it if parents make them do it. Obviously having the president set by the Supreme Court is a huge cool in their, in their fight.

A (14:20)

Right. And in one of these cases, West Virginia vs BPJ, the transgender child claims to have been identifying as a girl since third grade, which is absolutely crazy to even think about a third Grader going through this, having these thoughts and then having parents that support it. But the earlier that parents start transitioning their kids or allowing this dysphoria to take hold in their minds, the earlier schools and youth sports programs are going to have to deal with these issues. They're going to be trans or there's gonna be trans babies, right? I mean, at some point it sounds crazy, but it's really not that far fetched. There's gonna be some trans activist or some woke parent that, you know, gives birth to a, a boy and they say, no, I wanted a girl, it's actually a girl. And this is going to be allowed in certain states, which is crazy. And you know, the truth remains that men can never become women and vice versa. We see differences in athletic ability very early in boys and girls. And yet it seems that schools, the places that are supposed to be teaching children about biology, don't have a grasp on this. Why is that?

B (15:37)

Well, I think one of the, one of the mistakes that, or the myths that a lot of people still think is that we, we have to get back to academics. There's all these social justice, this brainwashing that's getting away of academics. When I hear that, I know that people still believe that Government K through 12 should, should still be about academics. And it's not. So the better way to say it is whatever little academics is remaining is getting in the way of social justice. The Government K through 12 is completely saturated and the purpose of it is to create or what we call these toy soldiers. You see it in Minnesota, you see them marching against ice, the high schoolers. That is not by accident. That is a training from kindergarten forward. So these schools are doing it mostly through mental health. And I know that that's something that a lot of Americans still don't have the grasp of because they'll still think it's a teacher or a librarian, which obviously they, they do that 100%. That's what the teachers are trained. But it's the mental health that is what governs all K through 12. The entire K through 12 system is, is executed through the lens of mental health. And so that's where they hide all the transgenderism. And so there is no incentive for them to ever go the way of normaly or excellence or academics or parental rights, because the school counselors, any of the mental health professionals, they are all trained to push the transgender ideology. So this is why, and when you, if you think about it that way, what I just said, actually everything makes sense, right?

A (17:21)

But because Academics is not who's training them to push this stuff. And is there like a financial incentivization? Is there a kickback that's happening here?

B (17:34)

Well, the WHO is mostly. Well, there's a lot of who's. There's like the teachers colleges, obviously the teachers union, you know, has a huge hand in pushing that. But as far as the mental health goes, is really the American School Counselor association, or we call them asca. Asca. And for most people listening to this, they think of counselors as the nice guidance counselor that you saw maybe once or twice when you were in high school, right. And they helped you with your academics. But that's no longer the case. They are no longer guidance counselors. They have very little to do with college exams and AP courses. They're all social justice activists, or they call themselves social change agents. And so when. So as far as the money goes, when we put in millions at this point, it's been billions, but every year, we still are still pumping in millions, tens of millions of dollars into these school districts for mental health. And still to this day, even now with this current administration, they're still putting in that because they still don't get that mental health is not what you. And I think of it classically as. As good mental health. And so what happens is when these school districts get this money, and they must. And what they do with this money is they just simply hire more school counselors and more training. That. That's really it. And the only, the only counselors they hire are from the American School Counselor association and that model. Late last year, about November last year, October, November last year, we released a national report that breaks that all down. And then parents can go to courageous a habit.org and click on school counselors and download that and it's. It breaks it down. All 50 states use it. But if you don't, unless you read our report where we break down exactly what they say at the most, how they train and their mission statements, on the surface level, it sounds great, because who doesn't want mental health?

A (19:26)

Right?

B (19:27)

You sound like an. If you go in and say, you know, I don't want mental health for kids, and that's how they hide behind that. And so that's why. And so there's, there's all this money's being taken and, and, and they're just hiring these counselors and, and essentially that's what's governing the K through 12 in all 50 states.

A (19:44)

Awesome. Well, I keep seeing these memes on Instagram and, and all this. And people joke that, you know, kids now are identifying as cats and KITT and the schools have litter boxes. Is there any truth to any of that?

B (20:00)

There is. Or 100% truth to that. I love when our opponents do the whole. It's not happening.

A (20:06)

Right.

B (20:06)

It's funny. Everything to say is not happening. Later on, like, five minutes later, it's like, it's not happening that much. And then it's good. It's happening.

A (20:13)

Right.

B (20:14)

And then you're a bigot. If you don't want it to happen, why is it your business progression? Yeah. And so when you. When we started or when the school started introducing identities, that opened up to all the insanity. So it doesn't matter if you can. If a girl can be a boy, then a boy can be a cat, and a girl can be a, you know, a tiger. And. And so that's. It's just a complete mental illness. That's really what it is. And so, yes, they are. They call furries. They identify as furries. They go around crawling on all fours. They dress up like they're five. You know, it's cute when you're five and seven. It's not cute when you're, like, 15.

A (20:47)

Right.

B (20:47)

You know, walking around school dressed up as a cat or some kind of animal. And then there's litter boxes. There's kids that go around biting other kids. We've got videos from. Yeah, the biting other kids. And when the. When the child gets bitten, reports that, guess who's the bully? It's a child that gets bit.

A (21:07)

Right. Of course.

B (21:07)

Because you're not honoring someone's identity. See, see, once you open up. Once you open that up, if anything goes. And the schools can't do anything about that. They can't do anything because once you. Once you. I. Once you say, as long as you feel that way, you can be that.

A (21:23)

Then live your truth, as they say. And if you're a tiger, you can go around biting people. That's just. That's your. It's in your nature.

B (21:31)

That's. I'm waiting for a child to pretend to be Hulk, and then that way he gets to rip off his clothes and start, you know, banging on cars and screaming, hulk smash. You gotta let him do it. He identifies as Hulk.

A (21:44)

Well, it is a very scary reality that kids can be transitioned at school or even socially transitioned. But I know you've come on this show before, and we've talked about how in schools, they're actually going as far as to start the medical transition process without parents knowing But President Trump is weighing an executive order and I want you to talk to me about this to prevent the government from taking kids away from parents who want their kids to just be normal parents who oppose the gender transition. This is happening at school. The parents find out about it, they want to put a stop to it. They're not going to identify with the kitten self litter box. They, that is happening at school. The parents don't know about it. Parents find out, they're saying, heck no, we're not doing this. And you're telling me that governments, certain blue state governments are taking those kids away from those well meaning normal parents?

B (22:44)

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So I think what you're referring to and is this is we hope that he signs this very soon because I, we know it's already been drafted. Is they actually, a lot of people don't know that. So I'm happy to talk about this on your show. The he will be hopefully signing an executive order to defund any Child Protective Services or CPS that remove children from the homes of the parents that don't believe their child is born in the wrong body. And so this is certainly a tremendous for what we do at Courage as a habit, certainly tremendous for all families everywhere because, and you know, we talked about the school counselors. They're the ones who set the tone of keeping secrets from parents because they've changed or they didn't change, but they've, they've expanded the definition of unsafe and abusive. So before you and I and 99.9 of everybody else understand that when a, when a family or parents are abusive or unsafe, it means that they're either physically, sexually abusing them in some way, shape and form, right? And then CPS would then visit to see just how bad the situation is. But they've expanded that. So now if you have a beautiful, perfect daughter named Julie and you don't want to call her James, the school counselors will deem the parents unsafe and abusive. So they will treat the parents as if you're burning them with cigarettes or you're beating them to half to death. And so the CPS used to be a safety net for children who are actually abused. That's what's the safety net. And like the cancer that they are, like the virus that they are, the transgender cult has taken that over too, just like they've taken over the American Academy of Pediatrics. It's like they've taken over the Academy, the American Medical Associations and the Endocrine association, all that. And so now CPS are Weaponized to go into homes, to, to, to remove children. And they get that you. A lot of times they get that tip from schools through the school counsel, because if they can keep secrets from parents, it's logical step to them to send cps. Now, that's what happened to a mother in Maine. Her name is Amber, a, a, a, a social worker, which is the same thing pretty much almost as a school counselor, except they can do a little bit more. Transitioned her daughter, changed her name, clothing, gave her a binder, a chest binder, which is very damaging. Luckily, her mother found it and then found this note that referred her as a different name and then went to the schools to fight for her daughter. Guess who had a knock on her door? Cps. My friend Aaron over in Colorado. Same thing. Her daughter got transitioned at an art club. They thought it was an art club, but it turned out to be just a transgender club. That teacher transitioned her daughter again. Fortunately, she caught that, fought it. Guess who knocked on her door? Cps. And so both of those mothers, and certainly there's, you know, hundreds and hundreds of cases, probably thousands of cases now in, in across the country. And so it would if when President Trump signs this executive order and he defunds any CPS agency that removes a child from, from the home because of this, that certainly will be a huge weight off a lot of parents because now they can fight the schools directly without having to worry about a knock on their door. And not only that, Haley, not only are they going to look at the child that is supposed to be transitioning, they'll look at your other children and take your other children away. Because if you're unsafe for one child.

A (26:20)

You'Re unsafe for all of them. Oh, my gosh. Well, I hope that he does sign this soon because that would be a win for parental rights, of course. But I, I was scrolling and I found this headline also that was concerning that Mackenzie Scott, formerly Mackenzie Bezos, she dumped a whole bunch of money into LGBTQ company or organization, the Trevor Project. So to the tune of $45 million. This was the donation, $45 million to this LGBTQ youth mental health non profit. So what can you tell us about the Trevor Project? And do they have any dealings in school? I mean, is this something that we have to worry about them getting all this funding? What are they going to do with that funding?

B (27:11)

So I'm really glad you asked me that, and I'm not saying that because we, like, rehearsed this. I actually didn't know you're going to ask me that. So. So we didn't plan this out. So this is actually really cool that you asked me that. So the Trevor Project, in my opinion, is probably the top three most radical evil transgender organizations out there. It's right next to the Human Rights Campaign and actually Planned Parenthood. So the Trevor Project is a complete grooming organization. They are. They push everything transgender, obviously. Sterilizing kids, you know, mutilating kids, the surgeries and everything. They're all about keeping secrets from parents. But here is where to answer your question, where it relates to school. So in all 50 states, the schools follow a suicide prevention policy, and that policy is written by asca, which is what we talked about a few minutes ago, the American School Counselor association. Okay. So all 50 states followed that suicide policy. Well, ASCA partnered with the Trevor Project to create that suicide policy. But it gets better. Not only did they partner with Trevor Project, they. The Trevor Project used Sam Britain to write that policy. Now, for your followers, probably recognize that name, but for those people who don't know Sam Britton is this sexual deviant that was. That was on the Biden Administration.

A (28:37)

Biden administration. Luggage dealer.

B (28:40)

That's right.

A (28:41)

Twice, yes.

B (28:43)

Women's clothing, to be specific. And he's the one that, you know, has the pictures of him dressed up in, like, a freak doll, collars on men, and the whole whole whole disgusting. The whole disgusting thing. That is the person that the Trevor Project had write. Help write the suicide policy that ASKA uses. So. So, you know, this person, you would not trust to watch your goldfish, right? But the lunatics that are supposed to be managing your children's mental health at school selected this organization and that person, that sexual deviant, to write the suicide policy. So what do you think the suicide policy is going to be if you don't affirm the children going to kill themselves.

A (29:31)

Right.

B (29:32)

That's the policy. And so this is why they justify keeping all these secrets from parents. And so that's. So when you see the suicide policies, it's partnered with the Trevor Project. That is who wrote those policies.

A (29:46)

And you know what? This is the inconvenient truth that the left doesn't want to admit. They're so concerned with transgender kids committing suicide if they don't take this gender affirming care. They don't take these drugs, they don't take the hormones, they don't prevent puberty. Right. These puberty blockers. But we actually see the opposite. When they transition, there is an alarming rate of transgender people who end up committing suicide because they're mentally unstable.

B (30:20)

Right. Well, I'll tell you a funny story that happened to us in early on when Courage is a Habit just started. So we have very, very little following, maybe like 2500 followers. And so I did as a joke. So I had saw that the State Farm, the insurance company State Farm had a page where they were supporting the Trevor Project and the Human Rights Campaign, all the transgender stuff. Okay. So I, I did, like I said, I did this as a joke. So most parents will have dry. If you have teenagers that are driving and you have to put them under insurance, know that you have to pay a very high premium for, for your drivers if they're like 17, 18, 19, 20, 21. And because every single insurance company, car insurance company in the planet knows that the, the most fatality of a car accidents happen when you're under 25 and like over 70 because then now you're really old, your reaction time's slow, under 25 because you have no experience and you're reckless because they know that your brain doesn't fully develop until you're about 25, 26, give or take a couple of years. So as a joke I posted every parent that has State Farm should call them and say, hey, you need to remove my high premium for my 19 year old. Because apparently you believe that my 19 year old's 15 year old sibling or 13 year old sibling is mature enough to make their own decision and say I'm born in the wrong sex. And if you truly believe that, then you certainly have to agree that my 19 and 20 year old is mature enough to be a good driver. I did as a joke. So many parents actually said I'm going to call them and then like, like three months later State Farm removed that page. So I don't really know if they're still supporting them. They probably are, but they really, yeah.

A (32:05)

They'Re probably quietly supporting it.

B (32:07)

Right. So that's the point of it is like it. Everyone knows your brain doesn't develop until you're a certain age, but then they're trying to pretend that if you're 15 or you're 10, you can take puberty blockers and, and that's why until you're back anyways, I tell the story is back to your point. The reason why you're going to see a huge spike in suicide. I hate to say this because the kids that are being brainwashed by these woke white mothers and these transgender occultists in schools, they're 16, 17 by the time they reach 23, 24, 25. They're going to go, why did you let me do this to myself?

A (32:43)

I was a kid.

B (32:45)

And you know what, Haley? I hate to say this, but they don't. They see the life ahead of them. And they're just a medical patient, right? Especially the girls. They can't have kids. They can't breastfeed. They're just. I mean, it's a very bleak. It's a very bleak future for them. And this is why. You're right. There's going to be a huge spike in that.

A (33:01)

You brought up something interesting. I don't know if you meant to say this. I mean, I know you meant to say it, but I don't know if you realize in the moment, you know, you said it's the white parents that are doing this. And that's an interesting distinction because that is the case. We see these white liberal mothers. They're crazy. They're the ones out in the street. And we're going to talk about Renee. Good. And. And all this stuff happening in Minnesota also, so stay tuned for that. But you don't see black parents dealing with this transgenderism thing. You don't see Asian parents dealing with this or any other. It's just the crazy white people. Why is that? Is it a white guilt thing that they just don't want to be caught on, like the wrong side of history or something? What is that all about?

B (33:45)

Yeah, well, you got it. I mean, that's what it is. So at Courage is a habit.org under either strategies or tools. I can't remember where now, but we wrote something called a tool called why White Kids? Why white Kids? And we explain. So, yeah, you're right. You're never going to see a Japanese mother going, hey, look at my daughter and look at her mastectomy scars. You never see.

A (34:08)

They're more concerned about things that matter, like excelling in sports and academics. Right. Not like. Yeah, you know, maybe it's like the white kids are so, like. I don't know, their parents are woke, and they're all liberals, so their kids are so dumb that the only way that they can, you know, pat themselves on the back is to chop their private parts off. And then they can be this. This something to show off this trophy.

B (34:28)

Which is sick, but it's so sick. But here's the reason why. In all seriousness, here's the reason why. So critical race theory and queer theory are really just the same coin. It really is the same coins, the two sides of the same coin. And so because our culture and our School because of critical race theory in school. And because of this critical race theory ideology in, in. In. In society, you, you know, you see it in commercials and sports and Hollywood and everything. White children, by the time they get to middle school, know that they are the absolute bottom of the social ladder, right? If you're white, it doesn't matter. Whatever you say doesn't matter. You're white, you're white. Privilege. They hear it over and over again. They've heard it and a lot of them heard it from their own stupid, woke white mothers. And so by the time they get to middle school, they know that they are just the bottom of the, of the social ladder. Well, they can't be black, right? That's offensive. So they can't say I'm black. And so then they discovered that there's this special club in schools that's completely. And it's completely permeated in school, right? Saturated. And they have to say four words, four magic words. I identify as blank. Once they say that, they get transported to this magical club. And once they get into this club, they experience social value that they have never experienced before. They are worshiped. They are love bombed. They can never be criticized. They are protected. And so here's the problem, Haley. When you're that young, that kind of dopamine hit, it's almost impossible to step away from. And you know what? Even as adults, this is why social media is so addictive, even for adults, right? When you get, like, you post something and it does better than, you know, normally, and you get this dopamine hit, imagine when you're a child. So the, the thing about the dopamine hit is that when you say I identify as blank, it's just a statement. You haven't really done anything to yourself yet. But once that love bombing dies down, you got to step it up. You got to start changing your look, you got to start changing your names, your pronouns. And when that dies down, it's time for drugs. And then when that dies down, it's time for surgery. Because each time you move to the next level, you get a new dopamine hit. And in our, in our courageous habit.org under I think strategies, we have something called the. The runaway transgender train. And we explained this step, this how you, they. They step the children through it. And so between the white shame and the white guilt mothers and this anti white narrative in schools and in culture, this is why the majority of children being captured by the transgender cult is mostly white kids.

A (37:10)

And that's the reason why, oh, it's horrible to think about. And they're not just push. Pushing this transgender stuff. They're pushing anti white rhetoric. They're pushing anti ice rhetoric. They're teaching kids to be ashamed of their skin color if they're white. And they're pushing, you know, racist narratives in curriculums that if you ask them, they think it's anti racist, but that's actually racist. And you sent this over to me, but this was just a snippet from an immigration book called Until Someone Listens. And I think we have the photos here, but we could pull it up and I have an excerpt that on one of the pages of this book, it's promoting the illegal invasion of America. But this is what it says. My mom didn't do anything wrong. She was just born somewhere else. Some see people like my mom as ugly weeds that need to be plucked out of the dirt. But they're not weeds. They're wildflowers, all with pretty shapes and colors, and each one a different kind of beauty. Now, I'm all for teaching children that all people are beautiful and valuable and should be treated with respect and whatever. They shouldn't be judged by their skin color, of course, but that's not what they're doing. They're preying on the impressionability of these kids, tugging on their heartstrings and raising them to believe that it's okay if certain people break the law. They're doing this for a good reason. Give them a pass. Because of their skin color.

B (38:45)

That's right. And so what you saw there, what you Posted there was one of 6100 books. Yes, that's 6100. 6100 that was dropped in Maine alone. Just Maine. And now there's more than that. And there's a lot of these organizations that drop these books into schools all over the country. Yes. Even. Even red states and red counties. And so these books are at the elementary level and middle school level, and they weaponize children's natural empathy. They start talking exactly like that about how these people are just here for a better life and they need help. And how would you like it if you got kicked out of the. Your country and those type of things. And not only that, not only are they teaching children that, because so many, especially the blue states that are sanctuary states where they don't. Where they don't deport anybody. So many of our schools are flooded with children of illegal aliens, and so they don't speak any English. I'm not. I'm not talking about, like, reading the proficiency with our American kids are really pretty low. It's pretty low. This is like they don't speak English at all.

A (39:55)

Right?

B (39:55)

And so when, when you've taken a fifth grader or a sixth grader, they don't know English. They barely speak any English. And so because of equity and because of this culturally responsive, the empathy and the be kind, the entire, the entire school must, the entire classroom must stop and cater to this, these illegal, the children of these illegal aliens. And so because of that, the children are you. So the children are seeing this child. This is just a child in front of them. And the teachers are now able to weaponize their empathy and going, look, we need to help him. We need to do that. We need to do this. And so not only is academics completely out the window, forget that they're teaching these children that these people we need to protect, we need to, we need to take in. We need to be, be kind and inclusive and empathy. And so that's elementary, that's middle school. Well, what happens when they become. Get to high school, college? They park themselves in front of ice. Because remember, no matter how good of a parent you are, when you're sending your children to these indoctrination centers, which is, which is K through 12 today, you're. They're there for seven hours a day, five days a week. They're immersed in it. This is an immersion system. So it's not like you just send it once a month. And between kindergarten and 12th grade, that's 13 years. The MA. You just can't beat that math. And so when you see these kids marching and protesting ICE and in Minnesota and in other places, this didn't happen because someone told them to in the ninth grade. They've been, They've been read those books. Yeah, they've been conditioned exactly like the book you just read. Except that it's not just one book. It's not 10 books. It's not one lesson. It's not 20 lessons. It's complete immersion. Every flag, every story, every time. They have assemblies, every speaker. And so it's a. It's a complete. It's a, It's a discipleship. It's a discipleship of, of only going one way. And so this is why you see that. So you can't, we can't separate the fact that when you see it at the college level, don't forget that at one point they were kindergarteners and they read and consumed books exactly like the one that you just read.

A (42:05)

And you know, you were talking about how when you get into the high school and college age, I mean, this is why they're basically creating career protesters. And this is what we're seeing. People who literally don't have jobs and they're just out there protesting the next thing and they get paid to do it. This is going to be like something at a career fair at these schools in re in, you know, the future, the near future, which is crazy to think about. But another thing that you also brought to my attention is that school boards in blue states, they are putting high school aged kids on the board. What is the purpose of that?

B (42:43)

So the way they sell it to parents is we want. So, so here's some terms that I want parents to look up. Student agency, student center or student led. Those three terms or something similar to those three terms. So the way they'll sell it is we want, we want to listen to children's voices. We want to hear from children about what they're experiencing in school so that we can better serve them. Their voice is important. When you sell it like this, just like diversity, inclusion, equity, just like those kind of things. Mental health, anti bullying, be kind. It all sounds good. But every time they pick a child to be on a school board, 100 of the children they pick are extremely woke. And so here's the tactic. When you put a child on a school board, they will spout every single woke ideology that they've been learning since the kindergarten. So whether it's about the school based health center which you so wonderfully covered, about ice, about critical race theory, about transgenderism, especially transgenderism, they will spout that when they're on the school board, they don't have voting, but they'll, but they're going to be speaking at the school board because they're sitting next to the school board members. When a parent comes up and disagrees with that child, the school boards then step in. The woke school board members will say, you're an adult, why are you picking on a child?

A (44:05)

Right.

B (44:06)

The child can, can be the mouthpiece for all this woke ideology.

A (44:10)

And it looks like they're protecting the child when in reality they're protecting their narrative. That's being challenged.

B (44:17)

Yeah, right. And so it at Courage is a habit.org under, under Tools, we have something called toy soldiers, because that's what we call them. They're toy soldiers. And we break down the student led student agency, we break down where that came from, how far that goes back, and then how they trick the parents into agreeing with that. We also give you a strategy on how to use that same student led to reverse back on them. So we give you like three or four scenarios if your child's race, right? And you, you know, you're a good family, how to actually take advantage of this student led and, and use it back against them. And so that's in, we call it toy soldiers in courageous habit.org but what I sent you was in Maine today, actually literally today. So this is something that happened this morning. Maine sent out a email that said they are recruiting not just for school board but for state school board at the state level. They're looking for high schoolers to be there at the state school board level. And so now they can take these very indoctrinated children, high schoolers, you know, sophomores, junior seniors kind of thing, and then they can put them on the state school board and then they repeat the same thing. So they, they basically set these kids up to be active protesters. Like you said, it's going to be a career path. Some of them just do it for free because they're, that's all they know. So some of them get paid and some of them just do it for free because they believe that that's what they're supposed to do. Right. And so when you hear the student led student agency, it's not, is not what you think. It's not about a child going, let's go ahead and give them projects that mean something to how they, how they learn is not that, that's how you think about like some, some kids learn visually, some kids weren't tactically, but that's not what they're saying. They will only guide them towards this social justice activism. And so whether it's ice, open borders, transgenderism, anti white white supremacy, climate change, Climate change is a huge one and that's why they put them on these boards. And then that way they can say based on the student that we have here, we've learned that this is what, this is what helps children learn. And this is the policy we're going to pass because we have a student representative. There will never be a conservative or even middle, middle of the road student. It will always be these very, very woke students. And oftentimes, Haley, a lot of times they'll pick students where the mother is already a school counselor or a teacher.

A (46:48)

That makes sense. Well, I want to turn now to Minneapolis, Minnesota, where everything bad is going on in Minneapolis, Minnesota these days. And I'm not, I always say this on the show, no hate to people. I know that there are great patriots who Live there. But you know, there. There's a lot of other bad things happening that are outshining all the good. Right? So speaking of good, Renee Good, how's that for a transition? So Renee Good, she is the, or was the woman that was out there with her lesbian lover protesting ice. They were infringing on what the ICE agents were doing there. They were, you know, there's a lot of activity going on there in Minneapolis, Minnesota now. And Renee Good is parked in the middle of the road. We've all seen the video by now. The cops are trying or the agents are trying to get her to get out of the vehicle. She decides to drive off instead. So her child, she has two other children that don't live with her. She doesn't have custody of them. So that's, you know, red flag number one and two. But her child, her son, six year old son, was in school in Minneapolis in that area. While all of this was going down. What have we learned now about the school that Renee Good sent her son to?

B (48:16)

So I think the school people kind of knew what the school was. But at Courage as a Habit, we dug deeper and we found a connection that can only be described as poetic justice. And I'm happy to unveil this on your amazing show tonight because we hadn't shared it at all. So follow me here, folks, because you.

A (48:34)

Really have to follow. We could throw this up.

B (48:36)

We throw this up. All right. I'm so excited. I'm so excited about this because I love this. All right, so follow me here, folks. This woke white woman selected a charter school that is purely a social justice activist training center. They're not even hiding it. Some of the public schools that we fight at least pretend they're not doing it. Not this school. This is called the south side Charter school. And when you go to their about page, you can see it's purely about social justice activism. They literally say we introduce social justice in every great level. This is a K through five, not the fifth grade.

A (49:23)

Kindergarten, Kindergarten.

B (49:25)

Kindergarten through fifth grade, Haley. So this woman looks at this school and says, yes, this is a school I'm going to send my six year old to. Okay, great. So she puts them in this school. Well, that's where it kind of ends for most people. There's like all the schools, you know, she put them in the school. But what we found is this school, the curriculum that they use, okay, it's from an organization, it's a non profit called Education Evolving. Education Evolving is of course a very radical ngo and they Provide the curriculum for this charter school. The, the. The. The south side charter school. Well, the education evolving takes a huge amount of money from the Bush Foundation. They take a bunch of money from Bush Foundation 11 grants over the years of totaling $2.5 million. This is a very small. Now, this is a very small charter school. This is like, they have like 125 kids or something like that. Really?

A (50:27)

What do they need $2.5 million for?

B (50:29)

Right. So again, here, follow me here. So now this is so funny. So the Bush foundation funds this. This, this organization that provides a curriculum for the school, but the Bush foundation also. Also funds a network called cobol and COBOL or COPAL or something like that. C O P A L creates all these ICE Watch networks. Okay? That's what they do. They stand up all these ICE Watch networks all over Minnesota and other. Other states as well. Well, Renee Good got recruited into an ICE network through her children's school because the only parents that would send their child to a school to a lunatic school like this already are. Are primed to be recruited. You don't have to convince them. You don't have to radicalize them. They're already radicalized.

A (51:22)

And this is some anti ice watch group.

B (51:25)

So she's part of an ice watch group called defending the 612. And it's an ice group that gives them all these tactics on how to impede ice, on how to report, you know, how to get in their way and how to use a whistle.

A (51:37)

That's right.

B (51:38)

All the felonies, right? They lie. They. They pretend. They call the cops to say, I've got people with guns on me. Can you please send them. So they want to get the police over to fight ICE so that they create a dangerous situation for both the police and ice. So they have all these, you know, they have signal groups. They have all these different things. And so she's part of the network, which is why they've trained her to block. To block the freeway and. Or the blocked ICE and then to take the picture and hopefully get a viral video and all that stuff. So she gets recruited through parents and administrators of this school somehow. So then she drops her kids off at that school and as she goes out there and gets herself killed, right? So the poetic justice is she picks the school that's. That that wants to. To make her son into a social justice activist. The school is taking funding from the Bush foundation for this curriculum. The Bush foundation funds this organization that creates all these ICE networks. ICE networks that she's a Part of that eventually gets her killed. I mean, I. You can't make this up, Haley. You cannot make this up. This is truly poetic justice.

A (52:45)

And what business does the Bush foundation have funding these anti ice watch networks? That, to me, is another smoking gun here. Why are they involved in this? That's shocking to me.

B (52:58)

It's all part of this. The fraud and all the. All the money that gets pumped into all these organizations.

A (53:03)

It's the NGOs.

B (53:05)

It's all the NGOs.

A (53:06)

Yeah.

B (53:06)

Yep. Yep. And so that is. This is what happens when you only consume legacy media. You become very vulnerable to this. You know. You know, the other thing. The other thing that I. You know, kind of taking a full circle back to the scope the. The Supreme Court case that we talked about at the top of the hour here. You know what I realized, Haley? And you noticed this too. You'll notice that the legacy media does not use the angle that she's a lesbian, that she's part of the LGBTQ ABCD map community. They just say she's a poet and a mother, which is a ridiculous thing because no one's ever read a single poem she wrote.

A (53:45)

Right?

B (53:45)

And as a mother, like you said, she lost custody of two of her kids, which everybody knows in the family court today. As a mother, to lose two kids, you've got to be really terrible. That's really hard, you know? So you'll notice that they didn't use an angle that she is a lesbian at all. They just pretend that she wasn't. And that is actually very telling to me, Haley, because the media would love to use that angle, but because of work that you do, because of work that so many other groups have done towards a transgender cult, it has become a toxic brand that the legacy media didn't use that as an angle. And they know that a butch, ugly lesbian actually is not sympathetic at all. And they try to. They try to go with the route of the poet and mother, and that didn't work out either. You know, I never thought that they would find someone more unlikable than George Floyd, but, damn, I think they actually might.

A (54:37)

I don't know. And they're all out of Minneapolis. It's crazy. Well, she's not even from Minneapolis. They were living. The lesbian lover. Lover. And she. They were living in Kansas City, Missouri, and then they moved to Minneapolis. It's like, you know, you wonder why they ended up in Minneapolis, of all places. But it all seems to, you know, all roads leave lead to all this woke stuff. And you've Done such a great job of exposing all of this. I want to leave you on a positive note. Okay.

B (55:05)

Yes, please.

A (55:05)

So last video that I have for you and then I'll let you plug everything so people can find you. But I found this video while I was scrolling and this is a little girl who did a. A presentation in school on Charlie Kirk. So the kids are going to be all right. Watch this.

C (55:20)

11. A legend that bravely shared his beliefs, faith and love for Jesus. Who is Charlie Kirk? Charlie Kirk is a political conservatist. Have debates with fellow voters and people from colleges on their campuses. He is a Republican Christian man. He had a wife, erica Kirk, and two young kids. On Wednesday, September 10, 2025, Charlie was brutally murdered and shot by Tyler Robinson in Utah. He was 31, but he is now at the feet of Jesus. Rest in peace, Charlie. On Thursday, September 11, after Charlie's tragic assassination, Turning Point USA, a company Charlie co founded, posted on X that Kirk had received thousands of threats through his lifetime, but he always prioritized in reaching as many young Americans as possible over his own personal safety. Charlie received many of the threats towards him and his family. He overcame it by trusting in God to keep him safe. He knew he would get threats, but he couldn't do anything about it.

A (56:19)

It was a part of.

B (56:20)

Of the job.

C (56:21)

Charlie knew God was with him and that he would protect him. He overcame adversity, persevered, and was determined to change and help people. And this is a quote by him. It says, good men must die, but death cannot kill their names. And then.

A (56:42)

Well, it's definitely. It's obvious that Charlie Kirk has touched the hearts and minds of a lot of young people, but it's especially encouraging to see such young people be inspired by him. So what kind of school do you think this little girl goes to?

B (57:00)

Definitely not. Not Southside Charter School, I'll tell you that. And not funded by the Bush foundation, right?

A (57:08)

Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for joining me tonight. Again, let everyone know where they can follow you on social and where they can find more about courage as a habit.

B (57:18)

So I know that we covered a lot of topics here, and oftentimes when you're listening, it's like, oh, there's so many things, you know, we're exposing. But I got to tell you, you know, looking back on, you know, we're approaching almost four years now, encourage is a habit. And what a difference, Haley. It was when we first started. The courage that we've seen from parents, from people, grandparents, people that don't even have kids, they're standing up and really fighting this at every level. And so I want to tell everybody that truly courage really is a habit. And when you can adopt that as a habit, it doesn't matter what anybody says, it just doesn't. It just bounces off you. You don't even hear it anymore. I've seen so many people do that. And so our, our catalog is Our age is a habit dot org. That is where we create, we create these catalogs and these tools and strategies for you. The parents with school age children, we create them for you. The school board, people who are just running for school board or on school boards who have never. We create them for you. We have call to actions. They're beautiful tools because we want you to understand that you don't need to wait for a Supreme Court. You don't need to wait for a president to do something. You can take action in your own local school district or your city council. That is where the war is won. Not at the Supreme Court, but at the culture level. And so there's that. And then of course our socials are at Courage, Habit on X Instagram, Facebook. And we are non profit. So every single support you give us, whether you share our tool or you drop us $20, it always goes towards our, our team, our travel and our subscriptions and all those things. It makes a huge difference. And as we always say to everybody, if you don't stand up for your children today, they will live on their knees tomorrow.

A (59:02)

Absolutely. Well, you heard the man. Courage is a habit. Make it a habit. Embrace exclusion. Alvin, Louie, thank you for being here.

B (59:11)

Hey, thanks so much. It's so such, such a pleasure to.

A (59:13)

See you as always. God bless. Well, that was a fun conversation. We got to a lot of different topics. Of course, the hearing those arguments, the Supreme Court hearing, the arguments about transgenderism, the transgender cult that Alvin talks about all the time, the critical race theory, the anti immigration or the anti ice things happening in school, that rhetoric and of course Renee. Good. And everything happening in Minneapolis. Wow. Touched on a lot of great topics. I hope you enjoyed this conversation. I know I did. And of course you can follow me at Haley Karenia on social platforms. I'm on X, I'm on TikTok Instagram, Truth Social and you can find me there. And have a great weekend everyone. Happy Friday and I'll see you right back here on Monday. Bye.

B (60:04)

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