Podcast Summary: Scrolling with Hayley

Episode 233 – Guthrie Kidnapping Case Blows Wide Open

Host: Hayley Caronia
Date: February 11, 2026

Episode Overview

Hayley Caronia delivers a packed episode focused on two headline topics: the dramatic recent developments in the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case and her deep dive into the latest release of Jeffrey Epstein files. With her signature wit and conservative perspective, Hayley dissects the facts, explores theories, highlights media reactions, and, in her “Tinfoil Hat Time” segment, draws connections between Epstein, coded language, and long-standing conspiracies like Pizzagate. The episode is a blend of true crime updates, media criticism, internet sleuthing, and cultural commentary.

Section 1: Guthrie Kidnapping Case (00:00–46:00)

Main Story – The Disappearance of Nancy Guthrie

• Case Recap:

  • Nancy Guthrie, 84, has been missing since Jan. 31 and was reported missing on Feb. 1. She is presumed to be without critical medication for eleven days.
  • Quote (03:15): “Imagine 11 days without those dire medications. The situation is probably not looking very good.” – Hayley

• Bitcoin Activity & Ransom Notes:

  • TMZ reports movement in the bitcoin account referenced in the ransom note; unclear if a payment was made.
  • Two original ransom notes—one sent to a Tucson TV station, the other to TMZ.
  • New message sent to TMZ this morning; Hayley promises details soon.

• Law Enforcement Activity:

  • FBI hostage teams on site in Tucson; Pinna County Sheriff’s Office searched a property in Rio Rico, AZ (south of Tucson).
  • A man was detained, questioned for hours, and released.

• Release of New Surveillance Footage (Ring/Nest Camera):

  • FBI Director Cash Patel released previously unseen footage from Guthrie’s nest (not ring) camera.
  • Suspect seen in latex gloves, seemingly trying to conceal the camera, picks up a plant, later returns with a backpack and a gun.
  • Speculation about how the suspect accessed the house.
  • Quote (13:55): “He picked up that plant from that potter and then he is putting it up to the camera… maybe to conceal what he’s doing.” – Hayley
  • Theories: Was there a key hidden in the plant? Was it an inside job? Did the suspect obtain supplies (backpack, gun) from a hidden place nearby?

• Suspect Description and Theories:

  • Physical traits: facial hair, possibly using a flashlight in the mouth, eyes described as “feminine looking” or with eyeliner (but also possibly just thick eyelashes).
  • Some speculation that Annie Guthrie’s husband, Tomaso Ceoni, is a prime suspect (as reported by News Nation’s Ashley Banfield). But Hayley cautions against jumping to this conclusion.

• Discussion on Surveillance Cameras and Privacy (29:10):

  • Hayley highlights concerns about privacy given the ease with which authorities obtained all camera footage, regardless of family’s subscription status.
  • Quote (19:54): “We all think that we have some kind of privacy, but we really don’t. Just think about that in terms of security cameras you may have in your home… the content goes somewhere, the recordings go somewhere.”

• Community and Media Reaction:

  • Release of FBI footage is generating tips; local authorities also shared neighborhood doorbell footage showing a bearded man in a reflective (possibly delivery) vest.
  • Hayley theorizes about suspects searching similar houses to “case” the neighborhood.

• Arrest and Release of a Suspect:

  • Detained man is a delivery driver. He claims no connection, says he’s “not it”:
  • Quote from suspect (42:24): “I mean, I hope they get the suspect because I’m not it… look at what I’m putting my family [through].”
  • Authorities declare search completed, investigation ongoing.

• Odd Crime Scene Lapse – Pizza Delivery Incident (47:00):

  • Domino’s delivery guy managed to walk up to Nancy Guthrie’s door, despite it being an active crime scene.
  • Sheriff’s office warns media not to order food deliveries to the address.
  • Hayley questions how security was so lax:
  • Quote (51:00): “My question is, how did anyone let the pizza guy get that far?”
  • She speculates if anyone from the media even intercepted the delivery, or if it was just sent by a well-meaning supporter.

• New Ransom Note to TMZ (55:40):

  • Note claims to know the abductor’s name, demands one bitcoin (~$56,000).
  • Sender alleges contact attempts with Guthrie’s children, but not Savannah Guthrie; Hayley notes this skepticism.
  • Quote (58:12): “Is this another person wanting attention?”
  • She comments on the copycat effect and doubts about the note’s authenticity.

• Current Theories and Takeaways:

  • Hayley speculates Nancy Guthrie could be far from Tucson at this point, notes possible motives as money and/or attention, and emphasizes the sick cruelty of abducting an elderly woman.

Section 2: “Tinfoil Hat Time” – Epstein Files & Coded Language (01:00:35–01:40:00)

Deep Dive into Epstein File Dump

• Epstein Document Release:

  • DOJ released 3 million pages; Hayley spent 8 hours skimming, focused on pizza-related communications.

• Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick’s Ties to Epstein (01:01:50):

  • Emails from 2012 show plans to bring family and friends (including children) to Epstein’s island even after Epstein’s 2008 conviction.
  • Lutnick’s wife Allison coordinated by email.
  • Lutnick’s Senate testimony: admited the visit but insisted it was only for lunch, with children and nannies.
  • Quote from Lutnick (01:04:58): “I did have lunch with him… my wife was with me, as were my four children and nannies… and we had lunch on the island. That is true. For an hour. And we left with all of my children.”
  • White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt confirms support for Lutnick:
  • Quote (01:08:02): “The president fully supports the secretary.”
  • Hayley: being “named” in the files doesn’t equal guilt, but “personally, I question the judgement of anyone who willingly brings their children to the private island of a pedophile.”

• Casey Wasserman & Other High-Profile Names (01:10:25):

  • Casey Wasserman (Wasserman Media Group CEO) corresponded with Ghislaine Maxwell, used odd language about “combos” and “not sharing her” with cheddar cheese/baked bean/KitKat; unclear if code or literal.
  • Wasserman issues public regret; pop star Chapel Roan drops Wasserman’s representation, citing values.
  • Film producer Barry Josephson named in emails; his wife files for divorce over revelation.

• Epstein’s and Associates’ Coded Emails – “Pizza,” “Wink,” etc. (01:17:00):

  • Hayley connects pizza references in Epstein emails to Pizzagate codes (pizza = girl, pasta = little boy, etc.)
  • Multiple emails involving bizarre coordination for pizza deliveries, with an unusual amount of formality among wealthy recipients:
    • “Order pizza for Bobby Slayton…” “Jeffrey would like you to go to Arturo’s today and buy a large cheese pizza for Bobby…”
    • Many emails end with winky faces (“;)”).
    • One email: “Jeffrey says he wants to go out to a pizza place with you. He did not mention our particular pizza place. But he knows you are in the know on this. ;)”
    • Quote (01:22:30): “Nobody talks about a pizza delivery like this. They don’t send pizza to their friends. I send flowers… but a pizza? It just seems odd.”

• Broader Theories:

  • Hayley dives into Pizzagate background, outlines how code words from Democratic insiders’ emails (published by WikiLeaks in 2016) match similar patterns in Epstein’s correspondence.

• Document Anomalies – Potential Encryption or Redaction (01:20:00):

  • Some emails contain substituted characters or equal signs, possibly as coded language, possibly OCR (scanning) error. Hayley isn’t convinced the equals signs are accidental.

• Examples of Disturbing Correspondence:

  • “Hi Jeffrey, I met [redacted name] today. She is like Lolita from Nabokov. Feminine, miniature…”
  • “Thank you for a fun night. Your littlest girl was a little naughty in 2014.” (Sent at 3:00AM)

• Hayley’s Takeaways:

  • No one should be prosecuted or removed from office merely for being named in the files, but “denouncing pedophilia is really one of the easiest stances to take of all time.”
  • Transparency is most important; victims must be protected but all other names should be public.

Section 3: Lighter Scrolls – Viral Clips & Chat Interaction (01:40:00–End)

Scroll-Worthy Clips and Listener Engagement

• Pet Videos:

  • Video of a dog seemingly blessing other dogs (01:42:32).
    • “Does your dog bite? No, he blesses my son.”
  • Funny clip: cats watching luge on TV, pouncing at athletes (“losers – not losers!”).
  • Viral “luge candle” skittles down icy stairs, reminiscent of a classic Chef Boyardee commercial.

• Personal asides:

  • Hayley shares her past golf achievements and interacts with the chat about microphone preferences.
  • Chat jokes about Hillary Clinton’s silence during recent news cycles.

• Iconic Nostalgia:

  • Chef Boyardee can commercial (2004)—mom says no, but the can rolls home.
  • Hayley quips, “They do not make commercials like this anymore.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Camera Privacy (19:54):

  “We all think that we have some kind of privacy, but we really don’t. Just think about that in terms of security cameras you may have in your home… the content goes somewhere, the recordings go somewhere.”

• On Suspicious Email Language (01:22:30):

  “Nobody talks about a pizza delivery like this… I don’t send pizza to my friends. I send flowers… but a pizza? It just seems odd.”

• On Public Figures and Epstein (01:06:22):

  “Just because you were emailing back and forth with him doesn’t mean that you did anything wrong. Again, going to the island doesn’t necessarily prove that you did anything wrong… But personally, I question the judgement of anyone who willingly brings their children to the private island of a pedophile.”

• On Pizzagate and Power (01:30:45):

  “Pizza party to me screams elementary school, Friday night, pizza night, movie night… Whereas pizza parties and Democrat elites just seems odd if we’re talking about real pizza.”

• On Transparency (01:39:20):

  “Transparency, transparency, transparency… Protect the victims at all costs. But everyone else should be fair game.”

Key Timestamps

• Guthrie Case Overview & Latest Updates: 00:45–46:50
• Crime Scene Lapses & Delivery Guy: 47:00–55:40
• Ransom Note Analysis: 55:40–01:00:15
• Epstein Files Deep Dive Begins: 01:00:35
• Commerce Secretary Lutnick Testimony: 01:04:58
• Casey Wasserman Emails & Fallout: 01:10:25
• Pizzagate Theories & Email Analysis: 01:17:00–01:34:00
• Concluding Views on Transparency: 01:39:20
• Viral Video Scrolls: 01:42:32–end

Tone and Style

The episode maintains Hayley’s blend of sharp, no-nonsense conservative commentary, peppered with humor and skepticism, especially regarding media narratives and elite behavior. Listeners are drawn in as participants—Hayley repeatedly engages the chat, asks rhetorical questions, and shares relatable personal experiences.

For Listeners Who Missed It

Expect a fast-paced walkthrough of two of the week’s biggest internet stories, layered with conspiracy theory callbacks, a critical look at media and law enforcement, and frank speculation. This episode is for fans of true crime, political controversy, and conservative skepticism—delivered with Hayley’s characteristic candor and edge.