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JOHN ROCKER UNCAGED! - Hayley Caronia (Ep.153)
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In this episode of Nightly Scroll, I’m joined by former MLB closer John Rocker to discuss our sports-lovin’ POTUS, cancel culture coming for sports mascots, the toxic masculinity hoax & more.
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I'm Hailey Karenia. You are not going to want to miss this interview that I have on deck. So if you're watching on X or Facebook, come on over to rumble.com Haley to watch the show in full. Join all my homies in the live chat. 6pm Eastern Time, Monday through Friday. The water's fine. You can also listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Put your phones on. Do not disturb. Nightly scroll starts now. And tonight on. I am honored to be joined by none other than former MLB closer John Rocker. John Rocker, thank you so much for joining Nightly Scroll. I want to let you know first and foremost that my producer Andy is a huge fan. He has been fangirling all week leading.
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C
Up to this fired up John.
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He, he is wearing his. He is wearing his Atlanta Braves jersey and he has a question for you. So before we even get into this, I need to give Andy his moment with you.
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D
Come on.
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C
Hey, John. Excited, man. Thanks for joining the show, brother.
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D
We really stumped this year. So that's, that's terrible. I'm not sure why.
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C
Well, I don't know. We didn't start good and we didn't end good.
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D
So why don't both those counts?
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C
Hey, a lot of people don't know, man. Lefty, intimidating, lefty on the mound, coming in in the bottom of the night, throwing 97 inside, throwing sliders to Robbie. Nasty stuff, man. A lot know you, bro. Over 20 innings in the postseason, 0.
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ERA, 211 3rd to be exactly 0e r a.
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C
So people listen to chat like John was a legit relief pitcher coming in, man. Listen, take me back. I got to know this. I've always. 1999, NLCS game three in Shea Stadium. You come in, you get the big out. Braves win. What was the atmosphere like? I've always seen this on YouTube. The atmosphere coming off the mat.
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You.
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C
You were letting some New York people know a little bit about what you, what you were feeling with the body language. But what was it like pitching in those big games for the Braves under Bobby Cox and Leo Mazzone and, and that network of Braves teams. Those years were just special. That had to be awesome. Man.
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D
Man, so, so many emotions there. You know, first of all, it was a little nerve wracking because I'm, I'm closing the game for a future hall of Famer. I don't care who it was. Was Maddox Lab and Schmoltz, somebody, future hall of Famer. Second of all, when we day one of spring training, we're expected to be in the World Series every year. I mean, no hiccups, no losing in the NLDS, you know, no losing NLCs. We're expecting to be in the World Series every year. And thirdly, this is one thing that I really haven't talked about much. I don't think a lot of people know. You know, growing up in Macon, Georgia, 70 miles south Atlanta, I was a Braves fan the time I was five years old. I mean, come on, you know, not a whole lot to do with Macon, Georgia, especially when you're, you know, a young kid, you're 13, 14 years old, except watch the Braves 162 games a year on WTBS, the Superstation and Channel 17, Macon, Georgia. So we, me and my dad used to watch games, you know, probably 120 games a year. And, you know, I took those games very personally. I mean, if you think back, if you played sports in high school and they were a big deal to you, it was a big deal to beat your crosstown rival because, you know, that's the guys you played with in the neighborhood you went to church with. It. It was. Who had bragging rights for the whole year. I took the Braves game that seriously. I mean, it was, it was, it was, it wasn't just, I'm getting paid to play. It was, this is, this is my team. This is my team from 5 years old. Just like, you know, I went to high school in the same school from first grade through 12th grade, the same school. So by the time I was, you know, 10th, 11th, 12th grade, playing football, playing baseball, you know, on that high school level, I took the games very personally. And so when I'm playing in the NLCS against the Mets, I'd hate the Mets as I was 6 years old. I'm telling you that stuff personally, man. Absolutely, personally. Just like I would. I'm trying to beat my best friend who's on the other team so I can talk trash the next 11 and a half months. It was the same thing. So, yeah, I took those games very personally. So a lot of emotions, you know, a lot of emotions, you know, come out to save a game like that.
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C
Man, that's a. I don't know. You have. You cherish those moments forever, dude. Thanks for joining the night scrolled. We'll talk a little baseball, we'll talk a little mag. And we appreciate you jumping on, brother.
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B
I mean, John, that is really, really cool. I don't think a lot of athletes get to play for the team that they grew up as a fan of for their whole life. And you know, you also played for the Indians. The Indians then became the Guardians. The Braves also have, you know, a Native American background. This mascot that they retired a while back. Are we past this Cancel Culture stuff as a society? Do we think that we can bring back these team names? I think we can take the Cancel Culture Mob at this point, right?
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D
As long as we stop getting into them. The Cancel Culture Mob is like the five year old at Toys R Us that throws a tantrum wanting to talk, wanting a new toy. If mom buys in the new toy, they will keep throwing a tamper to get what they want until mainstream society tells canceled culture. Take your complaints, take all your, your just everything you're bunching about and shove it. Why? If you're fat ass, they're never going to stop. They are literally like five year old children throwing a temper tantrum unless you give them the back of your hand, tell them to shut up, sit down, they're never going to stop. I'll tell you a quick story. So we're talking to you. You brought up the Cleveland Guardians, which I refuse to call them the Guardians. I refuse all the Redskins, the Commanders. They're terrible names. First of all, if you're going to change your name, they're horrible. Pick something better. Those are horrible names. A dear friend of mine, his name is Sean Ross, if you want to look him up. For years and years and years, he was the head of development at the Harrah's Cherokee Casino in Cherokee, North Carolina. The Cherokee Indian Reservation. The Harrah's Casino. I used to go there a lot, hang out there a lot. After I was on Survivor, Sean invited me to come up and like hang out with some of their high rollers and their players and stuff. Played a number of golf tournaments up there over the years, raising money for the high school up there with the high school. Looks like something that should be in like Aspen, Colorado. It is freaking fantastic. All their fields are turf. The school itself is like a giant ski lodge with like big beams everywhere. I mean it is a fantastic school they have up there. And Sean invited me about Seven or eight years ago to go play Pinehurst in North Carolina. Go play golf. Three day golf trip. I was there with the chief of the Cherokee Nation. The vice chief, which a quick aside varies the point. The vice chief of the Cherokee Nation, you know what his name was?
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What was it?
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Wayne. Wayne, a cool name. Here, not Wayne. You get all this like mystique built up in your head. Oh, you're the father too. What's your name? My name's Wayne. Wayne.
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B
Is that just the name that he went with? Like a, A name was easier to say.
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D
Maybe I didn't get on. Now. The chief had a cool name. He had a cool name. I can't remember. It was very hard to pronounce. He had a cool name. But to a man, I was there with a vice chief, the chief of the Cherokee Nation. They're not, they're not, you know, a bunch of clowns. These are, you know, very serious people. And by about, about 10 or 12 of their elders, the tribal council, which my buddy Sean was on, tribal council as well. Over drinks, you know, dinner, this conversation came up to a man, every one of them. We don't give a shit. And nobody cares about that. It's just the left, these, these, these cancel Culture mob idiots that want to change the name on bottles of syrup. These morons that somehow is going to move the needle and lead to Kumbaya. The chief of the Cherokee Nation. I do not care. Does it matter to me?
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B
No. Exactly. And if you think about it, it's totally counterintuitive because these leftist retards, they change all the logos. They change the mask, they change. Oh well, we don't do Cancel Culture here. So we say whatever we want. We're on rumble, so we get to say whatever. But you know these leftists, they force these changes, right? And now all the logos are white people. Because you can't. Now all of the culture that they say is so important has been erased. I need to ask you because moving to the NFL, why do the Redskins have to revamp everything? Why do they have to become, you know, the Washington football team, the commanders, whatever, but then the Chiefs get to stay. Is it because the NFL is rigged and the Chiefs are the clear favorite? What's going on?
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D
The owners of the Chiefs told Cancel Culture to. And the owners of the Redskins, they kowtowed and tried to appease, embolden the idiots trying to do dumb stuff like this. We have to stop and born these people. At some point in time you just gotta punch somebody in the mouth, sit Down. Shut up. Let the adults in the room. Let us control things. You just sit over there, the brats that you are, and shut the blank up.
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B
Yeah. And they'll. They'll get over it eventually, right? They move on from all of these things. They get really angry about this, and then they move on, and then they move on, and then they move on, and, you know, they'll find something else to get mad about.
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D
Sort of canceled Chick Fil A years ago, and it's just. It's. It's just the. The flavor of the week. Whoever did something this week to piss them off, if they get traction, they keep pushing. If they get their faces spit in, they move on to the next thing.
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B
Right? So speaking of the Chiefs, you had a little bit of beef with Patrick Mahomes dad, Patrick Mahomes Senior. What happened? Why didn't that all pan out? Because I would like to see that.
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D
You know, I can't tell you. I can't tell you the absolute truth on it.
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B
Okay.
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D
I can't tell you the truth on this. No. We had. We already had contract signs, and I've known Pat forever on Pat a long time. I don't have any beef with Pat. Well, I do now because he cost us both a lot of money. But it was. It was. It was Pat's. Pat's son's agent that basically got on him, was like, you're not doing this. You're not embarrassing my client. And basically told him, actually, he sent. The agent, sent a cease and desist to Barstool Sports and said, stop contacting Pat Mahomes.
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B
Wow.
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D
Which. Which I don't know how you can do that unless. Unless he represents Pat Mahomes Senior, which I don't think he does.
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B
Right.
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D
And that's unless he sort of cease and desist.
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B
It's interesting that Patrick Mahomes, his agent, can step in to not embarrass Patrick, but then Jackson Mahomes can go out and embarrass him all the time. It's interesting how they. I don't know how they could make sense of that, but, you know, this super bowl coming up is, you know, they're catching some heat because the halftime show is Bad Bunny. Bad Bunny is Puerto Rican. He doesn't have songs in English for the most part. What do you make of this? To me, this is un American, you.
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D
Know, and I guess you're pulling from my. My ex post the other day, you know, un American. You know, call it what you want. We got a, you know, the lack of a Better phrase, a melting pot here. And there's, there's so many languages spoken here. I've got a lot of portic and friends. I. Puerto Rico three times playing winter ball. I was just in Atlanta, in Nashville last week hanging out with Puerto Rican guys like Javi Lopez and Carlos Bierga. Guys. I play ball. I love these guys. So not so much is to say un American, but you know, certainly not gelling with a vibe of what the NFL is, a manly game, a, a gladiator type sport. I mean, what's, what's, what's next? It's got to go sing the national anthem at a UFC event. They have a cross dressing transvestite for all. You know, lack of a better word. You know, perform the halftime show is the, the first words out of your mouth are like, what?
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B
Totally.
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D
Where's the, where's the punchline here? You could have picked somebody better. I mean, literally, I'm not, I'm not. I don't follow ridiculous stuff like that. Mainly because I'm a grown ass man. I don't listen to anyone named Bad Bunny. I feel stupid, insane. That pro. What, what's, what's his real name? I mean, Jose Sanchez, like just no idea. Grow up, Peter Pan. So, yeah, I don't, I couldn't tell you one song they sing, if you can even call it singing. But I mean, again, it's the NFL just leaning toward that, that, that, that, that woke society. They're, they're trying to appeal to woke. NFL. Woke is not your fan base. They're not. Stop it. As bad as you want it to be, you can't have. I'm not saying it. This person played your halftime show and expect. Oh my God. You know, we just gained 30% more viewership off the gay community in the trans community. It's not going to happen.
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B
Right.
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D
So what is, what is your hell bent to try to go woke and appease? You know, I think the last time I checked, the homosexual population in America was 3% of the population. I mean, so you're gonna, you're gonna, I won't say piss off, but you're gonna mildly irritate. I'm not pissed off. I am mildly irritated. When the halftime show comes on, I'll, I'll move on to something else and watch the President's interview on Fox or whatever. I'll watch that. So the halftime show, but it's, it's me is the base and we don't want to see that shit. I think anybody does. Nobody's gonna Be looking forward to that. Maybe 15% of the. Of the people watching. And you'll probably see a very full bathroom line and very full concessions line in the stadium. People don't want to see that. They don't want to see it live. You know what? I don't gotta go pee, but I'm going. I don't want to watch this shit. And Doug, here we have the Limu Emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug. Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us. Cut the camera. They see us. Only pay for what you need@libertymutual.com Liberty Liberty. Liberty. Liberty Savings vary underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company affiliates. Excludes Massachusetts.
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Totally. Who do you want to see as the superb super bowl halftime show? Who's your pick?
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Oh, God, I don't know. Obviously it's got to be something current. And, you know, I'm old. I'll be 51 and like, in. I feel old. You know, I'm still. You see behind me my, my, my Kiss painting there.
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B
Yeah, that would be cool.
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That's, that's my era is Kiss and Motley Crue and, And, you know, huge White Stripes fan. Huge Jack White fan. You know, I would love to see something like that, but it's. They're trying to keep it mainstream as far as, you know, mainstream to store that, you know, pop, edgy type stuff. I don't like any of.
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Yeah, but there's probably a lot of NFL fans who are just like you who don't want to see this bad bunny stuff. They do want to see something along those lines, so maybe they'll wise up, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Speaking of shows, Right. UFC is planning to do an event with the White House. Liberals are all upset about this, but if you remember, President Biden not upset about. Well, that's very true, but, you know, President Biden had some, like, gay thing, gay event. And they had a tranny flashes fake boobs on the white lawn. Liberals had no problem with that. But I would take a UFC fight over a tranny peep show any day. Wouldn't you?
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You're been on training show. Do you try to try it now? Yeah, I mean, obviously does make more sense, but again, you know, the, the Biden administration was, was, was quite good at it. Kowtowing and reaching out for the, the LGBTQ R, L, N, F, T, B crowd. I mean, how many more letters can you add your acronym? I don't know. And this is, this is more mainstream. There's a lot more fans out there of Dana White and UFC that want to see some weird drag show on the White House lawn. Like, how do you even think of some shit like that?
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B
Well, I, I can think of some more letters that they have to add to the acronym. It's T, Y, L, E, N, O, L. I think they're gonna have to.
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D
Don't forget the W, which is. Stands for weird. Just, just put that one in there. FW Weird. I should have that one in there.
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B
If we had our way, that covers all of them.
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D
That sort of covers all. If we had our way, just, just put the FW crowd.
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B
Well, we finally, we finally have a sports lover in the White House. And you're a big Trump supporter. What drew you to him initially? What were the policies that you thought, this is my guy.
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You know what, what happened to me years and years ago, and people say that I was the first one to get canceled. And maybe I was. I'm not sure that I do remember a guy, Jimmy the Greek, back in the day, that lost his job. I'm not going to get into it. It was a very long time ago. It's probably the mid late 80s, so maybe not. Maybe I was the second. And, you know, I just remember, you know, in that, that era back there and playing with a lot of guys, we would have a lot of conversations, you know, on the bus, on the plane and stuff like that. But as soon as the camera got rolling or somebody, a reporter with a pen, I mean, it was right back to cookie cutter answers and just vanilla because everybody was terrified. You just, you just, you couldn't, you couldn't say what you wanted to say. And not, not that a lot of my teammates were delving into political type thing. Smoltz did one time, and John said something about gay marriage, I think blasted John for a good three or four months about that. And it's the quintessential thing when you're employed by someone. I was employed by the Atlanta Braves and Ted Turner. You Got to kiss ass. You got to grovel. Those guys write my check. They're pissed off. I can't have that. And I got to tow the company line. They tell me to kiss ass and apologize, by God, I got to do it. And I was warning and I'm sure a lot of people were, not just me, but I experienced it. So I was really like, this is what needs to happen. There needs to be some badass, some bitch one of these days that, that has the, you know, fu in his blood. Has the. Here's the direction we're going. And I don't care what the hell you say about it. I'm going to speak my mind. I'm going to go in the direction I think the country needs to go in. And if it offends you go to blank. And. But a person like that who is beholden to no one, he does not have a boss. He is the boss. There is no. You want to keep your job, boy, you better say, you better say this to these people and you better mean it. And Trump came along and was that guy, man, I look at Ozzy Dian, dear friend of mine, I played with Ozzy. Ozzy, Venezuelan guy, you know. Ozzy was managing the White Sox. I think this came first. And Ozzy said something homosexual something, you know, while in white so uniform as the manager. And the Chicago Sun Times fired his ass. I think pretty about it was. It was. He was talking about one of the commentators.
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1.
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D
I don't know if it was an ESPN commentator or something, but he made some snide comment of a gay overtone to it and they fired him almost immediately. Then he goes down to. Of course he did the whole apology tour thing as well. I'm sorry if I offended anybody. You can just pass that speech around to everybody. And that sounds just. Yep. Because it's the same speech. That's what they all sound. So we just pass it down, down, down the line here. But then Ozzy went to Miami to manage the manager. More lifts. And you know, I don't know how he meant it doesn't really matter. But he made some comment about Castro. A lot of Cubans in Miami, they didn't appreciate it. Here goes Ozzy, a positive apology tour again. Got fired from that job too. And I was like, at some point in time I want somebody to emerge that yes, has got the ideas, the policies, everything else, but also has it. I am the whole unto no one situation in their life. And then here comes Trump and not to mention me, what a leader. Just What a brilliant man. And how much does the guy sleep a day? Was he sleep four or five hours a day? I mean just, he just runs circles around everybody in not a disparity. Mr. President, were you 78 years old? What do you mean? Is there some, you know, you watch these points, that one movie came out a few years ago, Limitless, I think it was. Well, it takes a little pill and all of a sudden they can stay up and study for like seven consecutive days and you know, it just makes them like their brain like superhuman energy. I mean, in his financial, you know, echelon of life, is there something that people like that know about that folks like us don't? And that's, that's how they maintain and get where they are. Like there's, there's something, you know, that I don't know that medical science out there. It is amazing what he can do. So you not only get with him the. I don't have to answer anybody, you know, except the American voter, the people that vote for me, I'm pretty sure I know what they want. Here's what you're going to get you over there. Yeah, bitch all you want, I don't have to answer you. But somebody like that, that also has the experience, I mean, I can remember, you know, Oprah Winfrey interviews back in the 90s. I mean she, do you want to run for president one day? I mean, he's talking about back in the 90s, the same stuff he's doing now about going after the Fed and, and you know, what he would do in the Middle east with Israel. And now he's doing it, you know, 30 some odd years later. Yes, there's so much experience, so much intelligence. You know, the Wharton School of Business, you know, the degrees he's got from there and all the experience, all the world, you know, a lot of the leaders he's dealing with now, he's known them for 30 years just by doing developments in their country. I mean just, I can't imagine just a better individual for the job he's in. But, but you know, God knows, especially people like me that had been canceled and wait for somebody that for a long time.
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B
Well, it seems like it's gotten more popular now for athletes to be outspoken Republicans or Trump supporters. We see Nick Bosa running on the field last season after the game he had a white MAGA hat on and he kind of photobombed an NBC report. We see Bryson DeChambeau, who's a Trump supporter. How many athletes do you think are Closeted Trump supporters and they're just afraid to not come out.
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D
Well, you know, most athletes are type A personalities and most type A personalities are conservatives. You know, I see liberals is weak, feckless, you know, sit in the corner kind of, you know, whimpering individuals and they're real tough. They like all, you know, get together. They're tough in numbers, but by themselves they're, they're you know, a bunch of weak, scared, feckless people, you know, conservatives. Again, our type A personalities. Type A personalities, I think that's why you see, you know, so many liberals protesting is because they are either don't have a job or they're like the bottom rung employee that, yeah, I could miss a few days on my, you know, 14 an hour paying job while the conservative is a type A that owns the company. Can't be missing more today. I'm the vice, you know, vice president of this bank here and I can't be taken off to go, you know, start mischief in front of the, for the ICE detainees center. And yeah, so I think that, that, yeah, I think a lot more athletes than you would think are. But then, you know, a lot of people just want to have a basic, quiet, simple life. I don't want any noise. I don't, I've got a family, I've got kids. I don't want any. You know, I was, I was, saw some chipper jones said the other day blaming Rory McElroy for what, what happened to, to his family at, at Beth Page. And he's like, you didn't know that was gonna happen. Like, like you've been around New York, you know those, those are some rabid sports fans and shifts. Like I purposely did not bring my family to New York for that very reason. I don't want to get heckled and everything else. And a lot of people, they just want quiet, simple life. I just want to play my sport as best I can. Take my paycheck, go home, raise my family. I don't, I don't need, you know, I don't, I don't need the, the, the, the hate mongering on social media. I don't need the reporters shouting, microphones in my face and the f. Throwing at me and my, I'm just gonna, just blinders on. Let's just play the game.
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B
You know, it makes sense and you.
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D
Know, a lot more.
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B
You think though, you said that Republicans are type A and I was thinking about this because I love the tradition of the Congressional baseball game. The Republicans play the Democrats and In years past, Republicans have been wiping the floor with Democrats. So I wanted to ask you, what is it about Republicans that makes them superior at baseball, do you think, or sports in general?
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Just, just better. Better, Better athletes. I mean, think back when we were growing up. You know, I didn't know anything really about conservative versus, you know, versus liberal back when I was 16 years old. But, you know, I knew who the, the good athletes were and kind of the. Again, I'll use the word again. Weak, feckless, just sort of ineffectual. You know, call them nerds over here that, you know, wear. Wore two different color socks and, you know, would trip going down the stairs. And now we come back around and, you know, I've not been to one high school reunion because I think they're ridiculous. But I do keep most of it with folks on Facebook. And yeah, the people that I grew up with, that, yeah, this guy was a good athlete. This guy, you know, always had a date to whatever dance. And you know, he was, he was a normal, you know, just a normal person. Good personality, good sense of humor, got along well with others. You know, that thing, you know, that guy now is, is, you know, he's the one in the way, you know, wearing the maga, you know, and, and you find out, okay, who they are. Well, you know, he owns his own H Vac company or he's the, you know, started a bank or, you know, they're successful in some. Right. In some way. And then the person that like, you know, thought about this person in 25 years and they, oops. They pop up on Facebook, you're like, yeah, that's, that's about what I thought it'd be. And it was somebody that, yeah, they were the, you know, the, the just the, the, I don't know, the rosy cheeked weirdo in the corner that was, you know, kicking their nose and looking at it and you're like, oh, you mean, you know, no friends to speak of. And you know, then you see, you know, what, how they turned out in their 40s and you're like, that seems about right.
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B
Makes sense.
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D
Yeah. And they're, they, you know, they may have like green hair now and, you know, they're still kind of fat and pasty and just like. Yeah, I considered one right where you are when you were 15 years old. Not surprising.
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B
They call it the septum piercing theory, where if someone's got a septum piercing, that means they're a Kamala voter. They're, you know, one of these green haired weirdos. And it makes total sense. It's foolproof, actually. But I wanted to get your take on this because Secretary of War Pete Hegseth said the least controversial thing ever, which is there needs to be a standard, one standard, a gender neutral standard in the military, so it doesn't matter what branch you're in, but men and women have to hit a certain physical standard and it's got to be the same. And of course the liberals are offended at everything. They want everyone to be fat and unhealthy. But they're admitting, now we're getting the left to admit, right, that men and women aren't equal physically. Because Hegseth said, you know, maybe this means that some women aren't going to make it. And that's okay because this is life and death. Yet these are the same liberals, these idiots that put grown men in women's sports. Make it make sense.
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D
Liberals do. They do so much that just contradictory to their own beliefs. I mean, they're trying to defend, you know, defend the policy one week. And the same thing they use, defend the policy one week, they use something else which contradicts the policy they were using over here. Like, well, it can't be both. Basically, which way is it? There really is just no common sense to whatever logic they try to apply. And I've always said liberalism is based on sympathy and pity. They're completely emotional people. They do not base their beliefs on logic. It is simply, you know, I feel sorry for the lowly immigrant, I feel sorry for the poor people, I feel sorry for the environment. I feel sorry for everybody. And it's based on raw emotion. It's never based on logistics, facts, common sense. That's not where any of their belief system comes from. That's when you try to apply logic to a situation that says, okay, if you're 40% BMI and you can't do a single push up, you're not going to be with the FBI. Okay, that's common sense. Duh. But what about the poor boy? And then their emotions kick in. They think, oh well, Pete, what do they always tell us? We're mean, we're mean spirited, we're heartless. Why? Because we have common sense that says if you can't do a single push up and you're, you're, you're at 40 BMI, that you can't be it. There's something else you could do, just not this. Okay, right. I, I never complained about, you know, that I only ran like a 4, 9, 40 that I wasn't invited to play D1 college football. I would much rather play football and baseball. I love football. I love baseball. I just was not good enough to play football. But I was good at something else. I was good at baseball. And if it wasn't baseball and they released me in a ball and I never made it to the big leagues, I had something else I was good at. I wouldn't have complained and bitched and pissed and moan the Atlanta Braves and you know. So you guys are mean for cutting me. Well, Johnny, you have a seven era. I mean, you're not good enough. Okay. I mean some more things. Got to put your big boy pants on. Accept the fact this is just not where I'm supposed to be. So do that without to be where they want to be. Someone else is mean to them. Not your unqualified.
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B
Totally. What was your NFL team? What was like, who did you root for? You know that this could have been your. Your.
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D
Do I have to say yes. Falcons.
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B
I was. I thought you might say that, but I didn't know if that was going to be your answer. If you were.
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D
If you were going to melt down the Super Bowl. That's the fast. The Falcons right there.
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B
If you could have played in the NFL, would you have wanted to play for the Falcons or some other team?
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D
Yeah, I guess. I mean, I. Yeah, I guess. I guess I would have. In another way I really want to do was play for Georgia. Play for University of Georgia. I had a baseball scholarship to play there, but I gave it back. But if I could play football at University of Georgia, that'd be fantastic.
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B
That'd be cool. You know, I want to talk to you about toxic masculinity because this is something that the left talks about. But I feel like a lot of people have woken up to a lot of the things that the left was saying. You know, people have woken up to the COVID lie, the George Floyd lie, the toxic masculinity lie, the fat is beautiful lie. But when it comes to men and masculinity, we've seen a lot of young men kind of come into their own and own this. They are proud to be conservative now. They are proud to be men.
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D
I've seen a lot of that. Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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D
A lot of With. With Charlie Kirk. Yeah. A big, big, big push on that.
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B
Yeah.
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D
How do we get that right there? That's what men should be able to do.
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B
Yeah, absolutely. I think Charlie Kirk set an amazing example. How do we get more young men to get into sports and to be proud, strong, respectable men again?
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D
I Think first, first thing is, is, is either not caring, not being afraid, or just saying the hell with it about possibly being canceled if you don't. Yeah, you know, if I do this then, you know, single population may come down on me for, you know, being toxic, you know, toxically masculine. And so I'm going to, you know, I'm just going to sit here and look at Tik Tok all day and, and, and you know, get, get paler and paler by the day and fatter and fatter by the week and just say I want to do this. And you know, I don't really care who in my, in my school, my group of peers, you know, has a problem with it. Blank you, I'm going to do it anyway. What I want to do.
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B
Do you follow Keith Olberman on X?
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D
Absolutely not.
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B
Have you seen his fall? His fall off needs to be studied. He went from, you know, calling highlights on espn. Now he's a failed liberal mouth, mouthpiece. What happened to him?
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D
You know, just, just like what you're, what you're talking about now, what you're alluding to now. I think liberalism. People are finally just getting sick of it. I mean look, look at, you know, the Rosie o' Donnell's of the world. Only the only place where she is relevant is on the Greg Gutfeld show about twice a week. They pull her fat ass up there and just roundly it is such fodder. And Gutfeld is such a comic genius. They were, they were on her like two nights ago. I mean that's the only place that she's relevant. I mean she was a movie star back in the day. And I think people are getting so sick, especially the older ones. You're just like an old crying, get off my lawn. You know, curmudgeon, if you will, to use an old guy world getting into an old guy. So I think people are just, just like shot the blank. Obviously. Debbie Downer, we're tired of your mouth. Just stop it already. I mean, how much more can you complain about? I mean you go around these people and it's just like a perpetual, just black cloud falls around, A black cloud of depression follows these people around. They're never happy. They have anything positive say. It's always just complain, complain. Great, great, great. If your life is so bad, step in front of a fudgeing bus. Otherwise shut the hell up.
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B
Jeez, it is so weird to see the Rosie o', Donnells, the Keith Olbermann and you see all these protests and the protesters are older now. It's like the parties are flipping in this way where it used to be, you know, conservatives were the, the older generation and all the young kids were, were liberals and now it seems to be flip flopping where it's like all the boomers are just, they've got TDS and all the young kids are going to save us hopefully.
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D
Yeah, let's. I guess they're trying to. Yeah. I'm like, I keep saying 50, I'll be 51 in like three weeks. I, I still kind of like, like think back to stuff I did when I was 25 and 30 years old. I'm like, I, I even still think I can do some of this stuff. I don't, I'm not done to actually try. But I think some of these, you know, these gray, dingy, dank people that like their mid late 60s, they're hearkening back to like stories of what they themselves did in the 60s. We're taking the street, you know, we're protesting Vietnam, that they're trying to get some asset their youth back when they were going to Woodstock back in the 70s or the 60s when they were protesting the Vietnam War. They're trying to get some of this back to like reinvigorate. They're just, you know, cold, dead, useless lives in some way. And I get it. When you get older, you know, getting old sucks. I'm not gonna lie to you. It does. I am, I'm actually looking forward to getting my knee injected with gel on Friday and having back surgery in like two weeks. I'm like, I can't wait. Thank God, my body is falling apart. So yeah, getting old things and you want to do anything you can to like relive your youth. And I guess reliving their youth to these idiots is there's taken to the street again. Power the people. I guess so to them that's like reliving the good old days.
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B
You know, maybe, maybe the paycheck makes it a little sweeter and that's what's getting them out there. I don't know. But you know, Bill Maher recently was saying that he thinks that Stephen A. Smith should run for president. You know, President Trump kind of opened the door to outsiders. What do you think of Stephen A.
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D
President Trump is a businessman, very successful businessman. And I've been on Stephen A. Show a number of times. I did a fancy football league with Stephen A. On his show about six, seven, eight years ago. I don't dislike Stephen, but he's, I mean he's a TV personality that's all he is, I mean, he has no, I mean no clue economically, foreign policy, you know, and Trump did, because, good God, I mean, Trump built a, you know, billion dollar empire developed in who knows how many countries. And when you develop, that's what I've been doing the last 20 years. Retired baseball, I developed real estate. I build apartment complexes and big townhome deals and dirt deals and shopping centers and you know, all kinds of stuff. And you know, each municipality you go to, they have different rules, different regulation and you gotta schmooze the right people. The mayor here, the city councilman there. I can't imagine going to another country and you talk about like different laws, like customs and traditions and that, you know, you're developing a, you know, a big resort piece of property in Ireland, like Donald Trump has done. I can't imagine, you know, what you have to go through to get your feet on the over there, much less developing from South Florida to North Carolina, those two differences. But Trump has been doing that since, I mean the 80s. And that experience right there, it's use here. I mean, I guess it prefaces you for running a country because you've run a multibillion dollar company that is present all over the world and how many different continents you know, that that sort of grooms you to be present. You know, getting on ESPN and saying ridiculous stuff about LeBron James does not groom you to sit down, negotiate with Benjamin Netanyahu or Xi Jinping and just doesn't.
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B
Who do you think is going to run in 2028? Do you think it's going to be Vice President J.D. vance taking the. And then who do you think is going to be on the Democrat side?
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D
Rickets? I mean, who's their bullpen? Seriously, who is, who is their bulletin?
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B
That's a great question.
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D
Aoc that, that fucking moron Gavin Newsom. I got hammers. Do some. He's got good hair, I'll give him that. I mean, write down his list of California and just go, there you go. So you got in California?
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B
Yeah, Guy, I think they're screwed. Really I do. Well, John, you are a legend. You're a great storyteller. You are awesome. You've got a new podcast. So tell everyone about it. Where can they find it?
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D
Yeah, it drops every Thursday night at 6:00 Eastern. It's called Uncaged, the John Rocker podcast. Our seventh episode goes tomorrow, doing real well so far. We're on Spotify, Apple, obviously YouTube. But yeah, it's. Check it out. Uncaged, the John Rocker Podcast and you also follow me on at. It's John Rocker on pass and is.
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B
It just unfiltered takes? Is it sports? Is it politics? Is it just.
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D
No, it's all over. You know, I've had John Rich of BIG and Richard Will Clark has been on there. Colt Ford has been on there. Probably who we got coming up. Got again quite a few hall of fame guys coming up. John Daly has promised me an interview. So John, I was at his bar opening about a month ago. He better get his badass on there. It's folks like that, it's everything from music to athletes. I've got a woman coming on tomorrow show. Alex Hugo. She was a two time all American in Georgia as one. I got top of my head right now. I can't think but she's USA women's, USAA Women's baseball, like two time player of the year women's baseball. And she's actually on the board record starting a woman's baseball league. She's got a fantastic story and because I'm an obnoxious Georgia fan and she's a damn good dog, then we had a good conversation.
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B
I absolutely love that. Well, I know you're a Florida man now. I'm in Florida. If you ever want to get together to play golf or you know, you're welcome on this podcast anytime. This has been absolutely lovely.
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D
Where are you guys at?
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B
We're Southeast Florida. If you come down here, we'll play golf. How's that?
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D
Yeah, you're, you're, you're, you're Jupiter something, aren't you?
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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D
I'm lucky bastard. I spent six years in Palm beach for Spring Train. What a fantastic area. From, from, from Stewart down to Boca. It's just the best really is.
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B
Amen. We're, we're in the, we're in the best state that we could possibly live in. So especially that area.
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D
I'm up to the panhandle, you know. I like, I like your a little better though.
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B
All right, well come down and visit us anytime. You're welcome on the podcast anytime. This has been so awesome. John Rocker, thanks for being here.