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Once A Grifter ALWAYS A Grifter - Scrolling w/ Hayley (Ep. 303)
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In this episode of Scrolling: Exposing the ultimate grifter Ashley St. Clair, Commencement addresses dominated by AI pissing off grads, AI being used to “resurrect” lovers & more
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Haley Carania
Hello and welcome to Scrolling with Haley. I'm Haley Carania. There is no bigger grifter than Ashley Sinclair, Elon Musk's 100th baby mama that we know of, and there may be more to knock her down on the list, but she is taking to TikTok to take down the maga movement that gave her any sort of platform in the first place. And then commencement addresses are all about AI and college grads are making their very strong feelings about it known. Plus some couples are using ChatGPT to write their vows and in some cases the nuptials are not recognized by law. And some heartbroken sad saps are attempting to bring their exes back to life using AI to replicate their old text messages, which was a Black Mirror episode back in 2013, proving yet again that that show was a warning and a futuristic documentary if you will. The future is here and it is scary. Before we get going, a quick reminder to subscribe to this show if you haven't already. Rumble.com Haley will bring you to the Bongino Report channel. That's where you watch Vince at 8am and me at noon. If you can't catch us live at our show times, that's a okay, you can watch whenever you want on Rumble. You can also watch on Spotify or listen on your favorite podcast platform, Apple Podcasts iHeartradio wherever you get your shows. I don't care how or where or when you watch. All I care is that you tell a friend. And I want to tell you quickly about our sponsor for today's show. Is anyone else trying to stay fit without going extreme? I used to battle cravings constantly and it was exhausting. And that's when I started looking for something that helped me try to tackle the root cause. And this podcast is sponsored by Veracity. Their new product, Metabolism Ignite is an all natural way to help reduce cravings, boost energy and help support your metabolism. When blood sugar spikes and crashes, your energy, mood and cravings can suffer. I started taking it a few weeks ago, just two capsules with breakfast. I feel steady. My energy throughout the day is very high. I don't crash in the afternoon and it fits into my routine and I absolutely love it. It is no wonder Metabolism Ignite has sold out 10 times. So before Metabolism ignite cells out again. Control your cravings and boost your energy the natural way. Head to veracityhealth co that is co and use code scroll for up to 65% off your order. Once again that is v e r a c I t y health co for up to 65% off. And make sure you use my promo code scroll so they know that I sent you these statements and products have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease or condition. And if you haven't heard of Beam's Dream Powder, let me tell you, this one is different. Not just because it changed how I sleep, but because of the great folks that make it. Beam is American made real people building something that actually helps people right here at home. Every night it's the same story. Tossing, turning, staring at the ceiling, dragging through the day. But now with Dream, I sleep through the night and wake up ready for the day. Dream is made with a powerful blend of all natural ingredients. Reishi, magnesium, L theanine, apigenin and melatonin. Spring is here and the summer's right around the corner. This is the season to show up strong. So do it with something made by Americans for Americans. Do it with dream. Go to shopbeam.com scroll and use code scroll to get my exclusive offer for up to 40% off. Beam's dream Powder. It's like the tastiest powder. It's like a hot chocolate before bed and it helps you sleep. It's amazing. So with my discount code scroll you can get their best selling Dream powder for just $39. And if you've been meaning to fix your sleep, this is the time get Dream their best selling sleep powder for up to 40% off. And I hope that you support these sponsors. Put your phones on. Do not disturb. The show starts.
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Unidentified Commentator 1
Foreign.
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Haley Carania
Here's the quick sparks spark notes on Ashley Sinclair. I'm sure a lot of you, if you are in the conservative movement or you are on X formerly Twitter, she was a Twitter famous MAGA influencer, which she kind of popped up probably in like 2016 or before. Then I don't really know when. But then she was exposed for having two baby daddies without being married. And one of those baby daddies is Elon Musk, which she purposefully plotted with a friend, Isabella Moody. She exposed these screenshots where and basically Isabella threw Ashley under the bus saying that, you know, she had text messages saying she wanted to have Elon Musk's rocket babies or whatever Ashley Sinclair says, oh no, I was just kidding. Whatever. Anyway, it's not a joke until you actually do have Elon Musk's rocket babies. Then it's like, well, were you just joking or did you really mean it? Because you did Go do it. So anyway, these girls, you know, people ask me all the time, haley, why don't you go to this Turning Point event? Haley, why don't you go to these things? With friends like these, who needs enemies? Like, seriously, these are the kinds of girls. And I'm not saying that all girls in this movement are mean girls. I that I know that that's not true. I do have friends in this industry who are lovely and they are true genuine friends. But I like, why risk it? I feel like a lot of these Internet people are like really mean and they are out for themselves. And I don't know, you got to be careful about who you become friends with or who you think your friends. And I have plenty of friends. I'm very blessed in the friend department. I say that all the time, but I truly, truly am. I don't need new friends. I'm always happy to have new friends, but I don't need new ones. And I definitely don't need any friends like these girls because they're, they're horrible, honestly. So anyway, point is, Ashley Sinclair wanted to get Elon Musk's attention and she did. And then he started liking her posts on X. And then, you know, it went down to the DMs. Long story short, they start chatting. He invited her on vacation and this girl will do literally anything for money and attention. So she went and this was all part of her plan to have the rocket baby. So anyway, keyword babies, babies. She said, I want to have his rocket babies. She only had one rocket baby, singular. And she thought she could tie down Elon Musk. That was her plan. I think she really thought, I'm going to be the one. I know I'm the 14th baby mama, but I'm going to be the one. This is how you know she's narcissist. I'm going to be the one to tie down Elon Musk, the man who can't be tied down and the man who wants to essentially impregnate all these people because he thinks that this is going to be the way to save the planet. So she thought she could be the one. She could change him. She was going to be Mrs. Musk and she'd never have to worry about money ever again. Well, didn't go as planned. The relationship went south. They've publicly fought about six figure child support payments and you know, selling her Tesla and whatnot. Trouble in paradise. So then she went scorched earth on Elon, on X. There in lawsuits. It's nasty. And then of course, she asked for privacy. She did like this whole New York Post expose. They took pictures of her in her penthouse apartment. And then she was like, actually, I want privacy. You know, everyone's doxing me. This is so horrible. You know, don't do this. It's like, you asked for this, you asked for attention, you got the attention and now you're mad. So anyway, now she's become an anti maga grifter. Elon Musk has turned her into a rabid liberal feminist. And this is after spending 10 years as a MAGA grifter. So she grifts to one side, then she grifts to the other side. So she either lied about her viewpoints for 10 years or she's lying now. Either way, she will do anything for cash. Genuinely someone. The only other person who will do more for cash is probably Travis Kelsey. That man will do anything for a check. Bud Light, Pfizer, you name it. That man is going to be in your commercial and he will take that check. Ashley St. Clair is the same thing. She's the MAGA X version of Travis Kelce. So anyway, here she is essentially admitting because she's doing this whole TikTok series where she's exposing everyone in Maga. And this is where. And I predicted this. I covered this, you know, in January and then in April when she started doing this stuff. And now she's really taken off. But I predicted that this was because she was angry it didn't work in her favor. She thought that it was going to go better and it didn't. And now she blew it with the MAGA crowd because why would the party of family values and conservatism like someone like her? And she admitted that she blew it. Watch this.
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Ashley Sinclair
Get ready with me while I tell you about meeting Elon and getting swept up into the Elon orbit, I guess you could call it, after he took over Twitter. For those who don't know, my name is Ashley St. Clair. I was a MAGA influencer involved in MAGA politics for almost a decade. I know now, if you haven't already, I encourage you to watch the other videos in this playlist to catch up on the timeline. And I do want to put a disclaimer here that when I'm talking about these things, I'm going to be talking about them in the present tense of the time at times. So while my opinions and views have shifted significantly, I also want people to understand the pathology and, and my thought pattern during these various times. So the year is 2023 at this point, I'm a single mom, which was not received well by my right wing MAGA compatriots, okay? They are calling my son awful things, calling my son a bastard, calling me a single mom whore, what have you. Okay, Whatever, whatever.
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Haley Carania
So she admitted it. If she was able to tie down Elon Musk successfully, and if they were in a happy relationship, do you think that she would have changed her mind on any of this? She would have kept grifting to Maga, but it didn't work out. So now she has to grift in the opposite direction. She's admitting that she is so easily manipulated and bought and paid for. And she blames it on essentially on being young and and groomed into what she calls a MAGA cult. If MAGA is a cult, and there probably are people who treat it as such, then the left is also a cult. There are people on both sides that idolize politicians and they're freaks. The people who do it on the right are freaks. The people who do it on the left are freaks, weirdos and extremists on both sides of the aisle. So anyway, she willingly took money to talk about certain issues that she's admitting she never believed. If that's true, and that makes you a lying grifter, is she the only lying grifter? No, of course not. But why would you sign on willingly to promote certain campaigns if you don't believe in them or if you don't agree, or if you think it's morally wrong? She's clearly very money and power hungry, very easily starstruck. She's a social climber. She never actually becomes friends with these people. She's decided to throw them all under the bus as soon as they weren't useful or lucrative to her. But here she is claiming that only right wing influencers make money after admitting that leftists offered her money. So that doesn't make sense. But here she is. Get ready with me while I tell
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Ashley Sinclair
you why I just turned down a paid TV spokesperson position. And I'm also just going to talk shit about Fox News as well. For those who don't know, my name is Ashley Sinclair. I was a MAGA influencer involved in MAGA politics for almost a decade. I know now, since coming out, about some of my experiences on the right and coming out in favor of a few more progressive positions. Since leaving the MAGA cult, I've been offered several paid opportunities, two of which they wanted me to be a paid TV and media spokesperson for certain positions that I already Hold. Nonetheless, I have declined them because I am not going to go from being a paid stooge on TV for one party and then go to being a paid stooge on TV for another one. I'm not interested in it. And there are other avenues for me and everybody else to make money. But I am drawing the line at being paid for the words coming out of my mouth. Oh, I'm almost out of this. Since I came out explaining how these MAGA influence operations work and how these MAGA influencers are paid. There has been a lot of rhetoric I've seen in my comments and amongst, you know, the, the general dialogue of this situation saying that, see, Democrats need to pay their influencers, we need more of a paid apparatus. And take my opinion for, you know, with a grain of salt. But I don't think think the option is the, is to pay Democrat influencers. You need to ban the ones that are getting paid now because this is
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Haley Carania
only allowed to fester through great loopholes
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Ashley Sinclair
within our laws and regulations regarding political messaging.
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Haley Carania
She didn't take the money because she's such a good person. You know, she's just such a good person and her morals are in the right place. So, so anyway, so she says that left wing influencers aren't being paid in the same way as right wing influencers or they shouldn't. That's a lie. Left wing influencers absolutely are being paid in the same way. Do you remember during the Biden administration when the Biden White House, they deployed a whole bunch of not even political influencers, just influencers on social media to talk about how the gas prices actually weren't that high. They did that. So this, this whole like MAGA apparatus that she thinks she's exposing, this is just how politics is done now in the age of influencing. So both sides of the political aisle are getting in on this influencer market space. And then she admits that like left wing influencers aren't getting paid. And then she says that she's being offered great sums of money to spew left wing stuff on tv. Well, which now she's too good to take. Like she, six months ago she wasn't above it and now she is above it, which I think is hilarious. Um, anyway, I think that after profiting off of right wing messaging for years, now she claims to have a moral problem with it, which is super hypocritical. And she's also profiting off of these videos. I would imagine she's getting millions of views, in some cases hundreds of hundreds of thousands of views in other cases, she's certainly profiting off of that while embracing the political left. So all while blaming people who do that on the right side of the aisle. Like, hello, you are the same person. You are that. You are doing the same stuff. And her videos are doing numbers. And she's doing so by exposing people who were once her friends and colleagues of hers, which is slimy in my opinion. And, and she has essentially said the gloves are off. This is what she posted in one video. And she said when MAGA comes for me, as if I don't know about their affairs, skiing, missed child support payments, second families, abortions, money laundering, election meddling, paid messaging, coercion, quid pro quos, paid judges, foreign money and buried cases. And I probably think that that's 100% true. Like there are shitty people on both sides of the aisle. And she essentially exposed people in the MAGA movement by dropping their names and some other videos. She doesn't explicitly say who she's talking about, but it's assumed. And I'm not going to give those videos any credence because I don't know whether or not they're true. However, what she's saying isn't out of the realm of possibility. You're telling me that a politician is a bad person with like a. A cracked moral code? Of course, you know, both sides of the political aisle are disgusting. Politicians are slimy and gross and most of them are bought and paid for. And yes, there might be some politicians who are good people with good intentions. Would I be totally shocked to find out that they were horrible people? No. My expectations are very, very low when it comes to the government. So there are these so called, you know, Family first patriots who are doing drugs and not paying child support and paying people for abortions. I would believe it. But do I think that exposing these people for money makes you a good person? No. Like she's still a disgusting human being. It doesn't make you a trustworthy source of information. If you would do anything to get in with certain people and then throw them under the bus five seconds later, I certainly wouldn't want to do business with this woman. Not now, not ever. I wouldn't want to be her friend. Not now, not ever. I don't believe for one second that she's reformed and changed her mind and learned her lesson. She was banging Elon Musk last year. You're telling me her frontal lobe just developed and she realized that having multiple baby daddies and using them for money is wrong? Grow up. And by the way, if everything went well with Elon, she'd still be posting MAGA content for cash. It's pretty obvious she'll do whatever is working in her favor in the moment. And right now that is grifting to the left.
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Unidentified Commentator 1
And.
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Haley Carania
And while hundreds of thousands of leftists are welcoming this content and welcoming her with open arms because they're so easily manipulated by anti maga content, some people on the left are not buying it. Like this woman. Watch.
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Unidentified Critic
Maybe I am the one who isn't getting it and I'll gladly admit that. But can somebody please explain to me why we are suddenly listening to Ashley St. Clair, the admitted MAGA influencer of over a decade who willingly slept with Elon Musk and reproduced his spawn. Please give me a valid reason why we are listening to this person. Because I fear that I do not trust her and I do not trust her judgment or her motives.
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Haley Carania
I wouldn't be buying it either. And I'm saying this as a MAGA Republican, I wouldn't be buying it either if she could sell the slop to one side and then she's going to sell the slop to the other side and it's idiots eating it up on both sides of the aisle. So I would not be buying it either. So Ashley Sinclair, I really, I wish she was being honest when she asked for privacy. You know, she put this thing out on X, you know, please leave me alone and please don't talk about me and, and all this stuff. And now she's quite literally asking for it. So I wish she just went away.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
The get ready with me is very distracting while trying to have a serious conversation about privacy as a male watcher, that's so distracting.
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Haley Carania
So get ready with me is we talked about this. People do it to keep people's attention. And I, I do the same thing. But it is like people on the left are calling her out for talking about such serious topics and she's like talking about being extorted and she's talking about, you know, being in abusive relationships and things like that. And she's like squirting, put a little
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Unidentified Commentator 2
on my face while I talk about the darkest things known to man.
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Haley Carania
Yeah. So anyway, moving on from Ashley Sinclair because I've already spent too much time on her and we're going to get into all of the AI nonsense at commencement speeches across the country, starting with ucf. This commencement speaker, her name is Gloria Caufield. She's a Tavistock Development Company executive. She spoke at the University of Central Florida about AI Watch the rise of
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Unidentified Commentator 1
artificial intelligence is the next industrial revolution.
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Haley Carania
Tomato, tomato, tomato.
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Unidentified Commentator 1
What happened? Okay, I struck a chord. May I finish? Only a few years ago, AI was not a factor in our lives. All right, okay. We've got a bipolar topic here. I see. Okay, okay. And now AI capabilities are in the palm of our hands. And. I love it.
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Haley Carania
Tomato, tomato, tomato.
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Unidentified Commentator 1
Passion, let's go. Okay.
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Haley Carania
Okay. So here's the thing. The guys seem to think that she recovered from this very well. We've been talking about this for a few days now, and finally we're covering it on the show, but I don't think that she did. I think this is really out of touch to talk to college graduates about their future and essentially say to them, you will be replaced. There is an AI Industrial revolution, and get on board or it's going to leave without you. There is some truth to that, I think. You know, the AI thing is a cat out of the bag, and it's not going back in the bag. Like, we're. We just have to hop on board because it's. We can't go back in time. So there is some aspect to that that I understand, but it is really out of touch to tell these people that are about to embark on their careers that they just studied very hard for, and essentially being told, you will be replaced by AI. Like, some of the jobs that you are going to start in the next few weeks or months, they will not be a thing anymore. And that is a really hard thing to hear. And yes, it's a truth. But at the same time, you are chosen to give a commencement speech to uplift the crowd. And the crowd is not just the graduates, but the parents who paid a boatload of money for these kids to get their degrees as well. It's nice to be uplifting.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
Well, I have some good news for you. We do have an investigative journalist who was on the scene during this commencement speech. I'd love to phone him in. Producer Justin, will you please join the conversation?
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Haley Carania
Producer Justin was in the house during this.
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Justin (Producer)
I don't know what I'm investigatively journalizing.
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Haley Carania
You were just boots on the ground. So you were there. Your girlfriend graduated from ucf.
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Justin (Producer)
This is my girlfriend's graduation ceremony.
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Haley Carania
And was the. Were the boos louder in real life?
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Justin (Producer)
It was definitely gradual. There was like three people, and then they're like, oh, okay, so we're hopping on the boo train. And then everyone started booing. And then the crowd started booing, which I thought was pretty crazy, too. Everyone was booing Everyone. I was laughing. I thought it was funny.
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Haley Carania
I mean, it is kind of funny. But. Yeah, it's just. I think if you're asked to give a commencement speech, it's just best to stay positive. And I don't really know if there's a positive spin on the AI thing, especially when the conversation about AI is. Is super dominated by the fact that it's going to be taking away human jobs and replacing human jobs. I just. I think that there's a way to congratulate grads without talking about AI at all.
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Justin (Producer)
I mean, this is a different conversation. I see it more as the Industrial Revolution, which had a lot of pushback. Right. This is. I don't know if she said in that clip, but she said at some point in her speech. Yeah, she did that this is the Industrial Revolution 2.0, which again, there's truth. We're taught that there was a lot of pushback.
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Haley Carania
Yes.
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Justin (Producer)
People were afraid of jobs and all this and that. So there's a conversation to be had. I view it as a positive. I think it's a great wealth creating opportunity, great technological opportunity. But the big but here is that she was giving a speech to the colleges of Arts and Humanities and Communications.
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Haley Carania
Arts and Humanities. I mean, listen, you guys make my thumbnails every day using AI.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
So, okay, not always as the thumbnail guy. Not always. Sometimes it's my artistic genius.
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Haley Carania
Sometimes you have to use your creativity to coach the AI through the thumbnail making process. So it's a. It's a. One of these.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
Amen.
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Haley Carania
Yeah.
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Justin (Producer)
It's also like a strange, though, because like the arts and humanity, like these theater and trombone performance masters and all these things you can't really are not going to. At least not going to be the first to be replaced by AI. Right. No one's going to show up to watch Elon's Optimus Bots do Broadway. You'd be surprised to see Hamilton Optimus version.
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Haley Carania
You'd be surprised.
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Justin (Producer)
I think it'll. I think we're a ways away from that at this point.
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Haley Carania
You said. You sent me a video. You sent me a video on TikTok very recently of Rizz Bot doing comedy. Doing a comedy show. I think that this is closer than you think. I know that this is definitely something that's happening in the future, but I think it's maybe a near future thing because there is this interest in robots and humanoids that it's like people can't help themselves. It's so scary. And people think like, this is the end of the world type stuff. But then people keep making them. It's like Boston Dynamics making robot dogs that do flips like, what is this for? And then one day the robot dogs are going to, like, learn how to shoot guns, and then we're done probably, you know, So I don't know if a quadriplegic can figure out how to shoot guns. Certainly Neo or whatever that people are buying for $20,000 to be in their house can figure it out.
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Justin (Producer)
I'd say that the arts and humanities people, or maybe humanity, I don't know. If humanities means, like, straight to hr, that's more psychology.
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Haley Carania
No, humanities. Like some colleges that I looked at, their journalism programs were under the humanities.
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Justin (Producer)
Yeah. So that honestly sounds more safe to me. Then the communications people might be screwed. They have a lot to worry about.
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Haley Carania
But AI is not very good at communicating.
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Justin (Producer)
But it's.
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Haley Carania
But neither are these graduates either humanely
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Justin (Producer)
communicating, but it's pretty damn effective at just putting a message across.
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Haley Carania
I agree.
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Justin (Producer)
So unless you're a wizard salesman, which again, is not even communications, you know.
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Haley Carania
Right. So this was the first. The UCF graduation was the first AI debacle. And then the former Google CEO. I mean, this was at the University of Arizona. And this was real bad. This was worse.
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Former Google CEO (Eric Schmidt)
Last December, Time magazine selected its Person of the year for 2025. And it was this time, it was the Architects of Artificial Intelligence. Interesting. It will touch every profession, every classroom, every hospital, every laboratory, every person and every relationship you have. I know what many of you are feeling about that. I can hear you. There is a fear. We do not know. We do not know the precise contours of what this transformation will look like. Choose a diversity of perspectives, including, Let me add. And if you'd let me make this point, please.
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Haley Carania
All the commencement speakers have to say
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Former Google CEO (Eric Schmidt)
that if you don't care about science, that's okay, because AI is going to touch everything else as well. Whatever path you choose, AI will become part of how work is done. If you have a problem in the world you want to solve, you can now assemble a team of AI agents to help you with the parts that you could never accomplish on your own. Let me give you some advice. First.
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Haley Carania
Find a way to say yes and
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Former Google CEO (Eric Schmidt)
thank you very much and good night.
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Haley Carania
Okay. Thank you very much. This is like he started in the beginning shoving a knife in their chest. And then he was like, you're never gonna. You're never. Like, it's. AI is going to touch every. You know, he's twisting the knife. And of Course, the students are very upset at this and essentially because he's the former Google CEO, I don't know what he does now, but it seems like he's very much involved in a.
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Justin (Producer)
He's the former Google CEO.
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Haley Carania
Right. It seems like he's selling a product in my mind where maybe he's involved and I don't know what he's doing now. Maybe you could help me look it up. The Eric Schmidt, he's just rich guy, right. And I think that AI probably has a lot to do with that. To Justin's point from earlier, like, there really is no way to go about the, you know, business these days without using it. And certainly it has helped him. And I think playing devil's advocate, it's helped him. And he wants to kind of impart this knowledge onto this next generation where it's like, this has helped me. This is certainly going to help you if you wield it in the right way. But again, he is not selling a dream to graduates who are about to enter the real world. He is selling essentially a product like this. This, to me sounded almost like product placement and AI, to me it sounds
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Justin (Producer)
like a reality check. Like, welcome to the real world. This is the state of the union. Like, this is where we're at.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
Hope you like Microsoft copilot, because get ready.
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Haley Carania
Yeah. So, I mean, yes, to your point. AI is a reality in corporate America and we've, you know, done without mentioning it in commencement speeches since forever. So I think that there's no place for it. I think you have to know your audience. But then this guy, and after all these speeches are going viral of kids booing and booing and booing. I guess this guy did not get the. The memo. This is Big Machine Records CEO Scott Borchetta at Middle Tennessee State University. And he was really, really kind of rude about it, actually.
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Scott Borchetta
Listen, then in the 50 years prior, streaming, rewrote the economics, social media, rewrote the discovery model. AI is rewriting production as we sit here. I know it. Deal with it. Like I said, it's a tool. Hey, like I said, you can hear me now or you can pay me later. Hey, then do something about it, okay? It's a tool. Make it work for you. The things you learn.
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Haley Carania
Deal with it. Pay me later. Yes, and I think there is truth to this, but there's also a way to say it. There's a time and a place. Certainly not well received. Someone in the chat said arrogant seems to be a theme here. Yeah, I think a lot of these people they have good intentions, but it's just not coming off the right way.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
That guy had so much swag. I would do anything he says I would.
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Haley Carania
I wouldn't call that swag. Someone in the chat said, why do they all sound gay? Agreed.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
All right.
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Haley Carania
He was like, deal with it. So this is where the AI commencement speech thing really comes to a head. Because while you have all of these commencement speakers using AI in their speeches and kind of like selling this AI dream to the next generation, at Glendale Community College, they used AI to read out the names of the graduates. And the AI was completely flawed and botched and forgot people's names or mispronounced people's names. So then Glendale Community College professor or someone had to apologize for this.
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Glendale Community College Staff
Watch, graduates, everyone who is standing. I, I this.
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Justin (Producer)
What's.
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Ashley Sinclair
This is.
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Glendale Community College Staff
Here's what's happening. We're using a new AI system as our reader.
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Haley Carania
Yeah. Yeah.
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Glendale Community College Staff
So that is. That is a lesson learned for us. What we were able to do, though, is each of you were able to walk the stage and get a picture, which is what I would hope would be the most meaningful. Meaningful. So I'm gonna have to disappoint many of you. We will not be able to walk the stage a second time in order to have the name on the screen. You've handed over your cards, so we won't be able to do that. I am so sorry. There's plenty of opportunities, I hope, to take some really good pictures and to celebrate you with your loved ones as well. Yeah.
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Haley Carania
Are we going to do the rest?
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Glendale Community College Staff
Yeah. So I'll go let you do that. Okay. One more round of applause for our graduates.
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Haley Carania
All right. Alrighty, everybody. I have the part of the ceremony that doesn't require AI, so as soon as we figure this out, we're going to be working next.
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Unidentified Critic
We're here at gcc's grand.
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Haley Carania
And all these people. Back up. Back of the gym. Yeah, it's. I have two takes on this. I see both sides. First of all, it is absolutely ridiculous that they're relying on AI to read names. We haven't used AI to do this ever. And it's certainly not necessary. Is it tedious? Sure. But it is not necessary whatsoever. And I think we talked about this before the show started, but Andrew said, you know, even humans mispronounce names. My name was mispronounced on graduation day, and guess what? I still graduated. And I haven't thought about it until this conversation because it doesn't matter. Like, honestly, in the grand scheme of Things. You not getting a photo walking across the stage. Like, you're still going to graduate from college. And it's really not that big of a deal. The fact that our society is so obsessed with photo ops. Like, I guess this photo is like this culmination of all these years that you spent studying and working hard and all that stuff. But I don't know, like, I can see that. But at the same time, I graduated college, I don't know how many years ago. Like, I don't think about my college graduation day at all. I graduated college, I moved on with my life. Like, if this is the biggest day in your life, then you need to work on doing some more important things. So sorry.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
I was glad to see my grandma and not have to do homework. That was about the summary of my graduation day.
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Haley Carania
Sorry. I mean, I understand the sentiment, like the sentimental value to this, but I really don't understand. I mean, I could understand the anger of this moment being botched by AI, but you're still going to graduate college. You could still take plenty of pictures. Like she said, in other avenues, like if your name isn't on the wall, like, I don't know. No one's names were on the wall during my graduation. Like we didn't have a PowerPoint. It's. I still graduated college.
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Justin (Producer)
I also think there's a incredible bloat in, in our English in this society of the word AI. Like there's. I don't think there's very little used AI used at this ceremony. Like it's just text to speech. They're just scanning a QR code on a card that the student hands to somebody and it's just text to speech. Like there's. I don't know what AI is required,
- [36:32]
Haley Carania
which is kind of stupid though.
- [36:34]
Justin (Producer)
I'm not agreeing with it. But like this AI, everything's AI. Like this big AI bloat. It's just everything's AI.
- [36:41]
Haley Carania
I just don't think that there is a necessity to do that. Like just read the name off the sheet of paper. Of course it's just dumb. And I. I think there is a place for AI, but this is certainly not one of those places. And like I said, my name is mispronounced on graduation day, but I have a name that's mispronounced every day, not just on graduation day. My name is mispronounced every single day. I don't care. I just don't care. Some people get offended if I spent every day getting offended that my name was mispronounced. I wouldn't have time to do anything else in the day. Like, it's just ridiculous. Yes. And I had to spell my name out phonetically, which. Fun fact, you can still pronounce my name wrong even if you write it out phonetically. I don't remember.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
You weren't Hailey Corona.
- [37:28]
Haley Carania
I forget what they said. Probably Coronia. I get a lot of. But they did call me Corona in college. That was my nickname. Not because I drank Coronas. Not because I drank Coronas. But then, you know, coronavirus hit. And then the name Corona, like, doesn't really hit the same. You know, it just. Yeah, but I guess people in the beginning of coronavirus, people called it Corona, and then it kind of fell off. And then people started calling it Covid. I got a rebrand, like halfway through.
- [37:59]
Unidentified Commentator 2
I remember early on I took a picture with a bunch of Corona, like a big Corona bottle, like at the store and was like, haha, Corona. And then like two weeks later I was like, oh no, I have to delete this immediately.
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Haley Carania
Yeah, then it doesn't. Yeah, again, it just doesn't hit the same. So anyway, someone said, Haley seems like she doesn't have a sentimental moment at all. Graduation day is important. From high school to college, when you work hard for something, it means a lot to be celebrated. You can celebrate your graduation. I'm not saying don't celebrate. I'm saying you need to celebrate by having your name on a PowerPoint. Like, I'm just saying you can celebrate, but. And obviously it's, you know, your hard work. But again, there are harder things in life than graduating high school and college. Like most people do it. Sorry.
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Justin (Producer)
Well, college is actually more scarce than you think, but that's besides the point.
- [38:48]
Haley Carania
Well, I don't know if you go to a.
- [38:50]
Justin (Producer)
No, no, you're. You're not wrong.
- [38:51]
Haley Carania
If you go to a high school as hard as mine, college was a piece of cake. So my high school was like next level hard.
- [38:58]
Justin (Producer)
Anyway, my graduation was a big moment because I was super proud that I Woke up at 7 in the morning to make it to the ceremony.
- [39:03]
Haley Carania
See, this is what I'm saying. Like, this is just. Anyway, this is just my. My hot take that everyone's mad at me for. But I agree.
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Justin (Producer)
I agree.
- [39:15]
Haley Carania
Doesn't matter.
- [39:16]
Justin (Producer)
I celebrated my graduation on a Saturday morning bright and early, and then came right to this desk on Monday and signed on the dotted line. And that was really happy moment.
- [39:24]
Haley Carania
That's what happens. That's what happens. I mean, everyone's like acting like I didn't graduate from college or high school. I did. Again, it's just like, not the most important thing I've done in my life. If it's the most important thing that you've done in your life, then I guess I could imagine that this would be very upsetting. But I don't know people who peak in high school and college. This is for you. This one's for you. Anyway, I found these replies very funny. People who are on my wavelength and like to make fun of people. Stupid boomer mixed with an HR vibe. That ham sandwich is probably pulling down six figures of public money for being a fat, fat, effing retard. Teachers and school administrators are some of the most slovenly and worthless specimens per child.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
All right, maybe your reaction was pretty mild compared to this.
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Haley Carania
That's what I'm saying. Like, relax. Everyone hates when I tell the truth. But seriously, there's way worse people on the Internet. If you think that I'm bad, just go on X then. This was the second reply that I thought was funny. Lmao college, banning AI for students, but then using it to butcher the one day that actually matters. Cheap ass. Move. And now hundreds of kids get skipped like they don't exist again. I. I get it. And this is. This is the. This is the future getting your name botched by AI at graduation. Then the Delta CEO, after seeing all of this play out, he used AI and then decided not to. Smart move. Very smart move.
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Delta CEO
Listen, out of curiosity, I asked AI to prepare the address. I was amazed at how quick and easy it was generated. Right? But I also noticed the lack of soul nor warmth it conveyed. It was not my personal voice, and it did not express my genuine appreciation for the opportunity to impart my insights to thousands of you. You want to hear from me, not some algorithm of me. So don't worry. I threw it away and took pencil to paper.
- [41:29]
Haley Carania
Pencil to paper, like the old fashioned days.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
Nerd.
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Haley Carania
I mean, listen, there is something to be said for this. And I think he saw how this was going, that the AI conversations and commencement speeches were not being well received, and he thought, okay, I'm going to use AI. I realize this is not the way that humans actually speak. I want to have my heart and soul in this. Let me do this myself. And I think that there's a time and place for AI and then there's a time and place for some heart and soul and pen and paper. And I want to Skip down to 13 now because people are using AI Speaking of putting your heart into something. People are using AI to write their wedding vows. That's right, wedding vows. So this was from Reddit and I'm going to read you this post. I, 35 male, recently had a wedding with my partner, 34 female. We've had a stable and happy relationship so far and I love her more than anything in the world. The problem arose when it came to writing vows. Don't get me wrong, I love many things about my partner, but I couldn't figure out how to put them into tangible vows. I decided to use ChatGPT so I could have something well written and expressive to share at the ceremony. The thing about my partner is that she's very confrontational and no nonsense. If something annoys her, she immediately addresses it with no room for backing out. I also know that she's expressed disdain for AI in the past, but I didn't realize how far the hatred could go. I don't know how, but she immediately recognized that the vows were AI and after I had finished she had this angry look and whispered to me, did you use fucking AI to write that? I was quiet because I couldn't believe that she had noticed that and she was using. She was choosing to address it while we were on full display for everyone. She then said that I either speak from the heart or she walks out. I literally couldn't get any words out and she kept her promise and walked back down the aisle, much to all of our friends and family's confusion. She has been ghosting me these past few days, which is atypical for her and honestly giving me panic attacks. This guy sounds like a loser. Most people agree that calling off a marriage because of AI vows was an overreaction and that maybe it was a sign that our relationship would have issues. But a few female friends have said that they would have been. They would have done the same. I'm hurt and honestly just needed it to help make the day more special. Is it worth fixing? Then he put an edit at the end of this saying okay, I screwed up. I didn't check this post for a while because I wanted more points of view instead of just getting torn to shreds, but I understand why the situation is worse than I thought it was. I've been trying to contact my partner's family to see if I could talk to her again, but apparently she's staying out of state with her sister. I'm going to tell her when she gets back what I heard here and that I understand. Again, bad move. You're going to go Tell your girlfriend. Hey. I went on Reddit and actually Redditors told me how. How bad I was being. He can't decide anything for himself.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
I spoke with Chat cbt. It said I really needed to get my act together.
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Haley Carania
Yeah, so. So this is just like this person doesn't have a spine. I still want her to know that I love her. I love her and know her. I will post an update when I can. Thank you all for some feedback, even though it could have been a tad more nicely put. So I would like for you all to give me your take someone. Sara. Bronco in the chat said he dodged a bullet today. Hate AI, but love astrology. What does that have to do with anything?
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Unidentified Commentator 2
Thanks, man. We appreciate it.
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Haley Carania
I appreciate. I appreciate the comment. I'm confused. Just marry the AI. Simple. Women today hate. Oh, women today hate AI, but love astrology. That's what he's saying.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
Oh.
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Haley Carania
I was like, what? Okay, that makes sense. Okay. Would have been a waste of money. I would have. What? Yeah. Okay. He probably is an AI girlfriend. Okay. So just as a female, my immediate reaction to this is I would be very hurt if my Future husband used ChatGPT to write the vows to me. You best be able to come up with something from the heart.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
Here's the thing. When she says, say something from the heart and you freeze, dog.
- [45:35]
Haley Carania
You gotta be able to show up in the moment.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
Yeah, gotta rally. The adrenaline's going.
- [45:40]
Haley Carania
But that shows me that he can't really do anything without the help of technology or someone else. Like, he's a very insecure person because not only did he need chatgpt to help him write his vows, but then he was, like, going to the Internet. Like, did I mess up? Like, he's looking for external validation, like, reflect and know that your future wife is mad at you. Think about why that is. You know, instead of running to Reddit and being like, am I wrong? I'm dying.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
These vows, though, like, how robotic did they have to sound?
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Haley Carania
Well, she clocked it immediately. Someone in the chat said, writing your own vows is gay chat. Is it gay to marry someone and love them?
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Unidentified Commentator 2
I. Yeah, I think. I mean, I think most people would
- [46:24]
Haley Carania
chat, is it gay to love your
- [46:25]
Unidentified Commentator 2
wife for trash vows over, like, super AI generated sounding? But I'm curious how AI generated sounding his world?
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Haley Carania
It was probably pretty bad. So I decided to go to Grok, because I use Grok, not chatgpt, and I put this prompt in, can you write me some wedding vows that sound sincere? I've been dating my Fiance for two years. And he's the best. I love everything about him. I'm just bad at articulating my feelings for him. We do everything together, we have tons of shared hobbies, he makes me feel safe, and I can't wait to spend the rest of my life with him.
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Justin (Producer)
Congratulations.
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Haley Carania
This is. Thank you. We're very happy. He goes to a different school. You wouldn't know him. And so, anyway, this is what Grok came up with. My dearest. Insert his name.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
You read that? Probably day of.
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Haley Carania
Yeah, exactly. That's why she got mad. From the moment we started this journey together two years ago, you become my favorite person in the world. I still can't believe how lucky I am that someone as wonderful as you chose me, too. I love everything about you. Your laugh, the way your eyes light up when you're excited, how patient and kind you are, and even the silly little things you do that only I get to see. You've made every single day better just by being in it. Whether we're chasing our shared hobbies, laughing until our stomachs hurt, or simply sitting quietly together, everything feels right when I'm with you. You've become my best friend, my biggest comfort, my safe space. I would never say that with you. I have. I never have to pretend or hold back. I can just be me, and that's always enough. I promise to keep choosing you every single day. I promise to listen when you need to talk, to support your dreams the way you support mine, and to face whatever life throws at us hand in hand, just like we do everything else. Gay. I promise to keep our love fun, kind and honest, even when things aren't easy.
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Glendale Community College Staff
You.
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Haley Carania
You make me feel safe, loved and truly seen. And I want to spend the rest of my life making sure you feel the same way. I can't wait to build our forever with you through all the adventures, quiet mornings, and everything in between. You are my home, my heart, and my favorite part of every day. I love you more than I could ever put into words, but I'll spend the rest of our lives trying to show you yours forever. Insert name. So then Grok said this. This version keeps it warm, genuine and personal without sounding overly dramatic. It hits all the points you mentioned. The two years doing everything together, shared hobbies, feeling safe, loving everything about him, and being excited for forever. Would you like a shorter version? A more poet, poetic one? Or maybe one that includes a specific memory or inside joke you two have? Just let me know how you'd like to adjust it.
- [48:49]
Justin (Producer)
Today I learned Hallmark has been using AI for 40 years. It sounds like every Hallmark card, but
- [48:54]
Haley Carania
AI is probably taking the Hallmark forever and ever stuff into account, don't you think? So it's like, yeah, to me, that sounds very cliche. I wouldn't say it sounds like AI. I'd say it sounds very cliche. And I think that AI is kind of tapping into those cliches because they're like, this has worked in the past. Now I am the maid of honor in my best friend's wedding. And as soon as she asked me, I took to my notes app and I wrote my own speech. And I have. I make sure whenever I gave a speech at my other friend's wedding, I. I make sure that every line has a joke. I want to keep people laughing, you know, so I may. I wrote out my maid of honor speech. Didn't use ChatGPT, didn't use Grok or anything like that. But I touched on personal experiences, inside jokes. And then the end is more sentimental, but it's short, it's sweet, it's funny. And I think that that's the best way to do it because it's from the heart. I would never want to put my maid of honor speech into chat DBT and say, how can you make this better? It can't make it better. The. The reason why it's good is because it's from my heart. And I just think that relying on AI for something as important and sentimental as this just takes the humanity out of it, and that sucks. It just sucks. And then this one couple ended up using ChatGPT to write their vows, and the officiant used ChatGPT to write their vows. And this did not hold up in court. In Dutch court. This was in the Netherlands. But Court ANNULS DUTCH couples Marriage after ChatGPT written vows fail LEGAL TEST so this time it was the fault of the officiant, not the person getting married. But I accidentally annulled this marriage, essentially, or found it, you know, not viable. But the judge said that this Dutch couple had not actually sworn to fulfill their marriage duties during their ceremony, which is required by Dutch law. So Article 167, paragraph 1 of the Dutch Civil Code states that prospective spouses must explicitly give their consent to the marriage by stating two things in front of the civil registrar and the witnesses, that they accept each other as husband and wife and. And that they will faithfully fulfill all duties, which the law connects to their marital status. So because the officiant used ChatGPT, it didn't have those two legal requirements in it. Therefore, the couple didn't say those things and it didn't count. Again, just good to do what we've always done. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If you have written vows that you're supposed to say, do that. Don't rely on ChatGPT to get married or to send texts or anything like this. It's lame. Like, seriously, it is so lame our brains are going to turn to mush if they aren't already with this next generation not being able to write anything on their own. Horrible. And this is where AI and romance gets very scary. So this new AI program, heartbroken users are turning to this tool called X Skill to digitally recreate their exes as a way to cope with their breakups. So X Skill essentially scans a bunch of messages, photos, social media posts, things like that from your relationship, and then will essentially regurgitate that stuff back to you. And you could use and kind of communicate with this X Dot Skill thing, this AI to, to have a conversation with AI, but you think that it is your ex, boyfriend or girlfriend. What are you laughing about?
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Unidentified Commentator 2
This is just so gross. Yeah, can't think of anything worse.
- [52:49]
Haley Carania
Well, this is. Did you ever see the Black Mirror episode about this?
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Unidentified Commentator 2
I did and it just was bad then. It's bad.
- [52:57]
Haley Carania
Oh, I know.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
It's just.
- [52:58]
Haley Carania
I know. It's horrible. This is really scary. And everyone in the chat agrees. That's creepy. Creepy. Yes. So if you haven't watched Black Mirror, I highly recommend it. I think it's very well done. And of all, for all the times that I say I don't watch TV and I don't watch movies, I have watched Black Mirror and it's incredible. So if you haven't watched it, definitely do. So I highly recommend it. But in season two, episode one, it is called Be Right Back. This episode was released in 2013, so over a decade ago. But in that episode, a young woman loses her boyfriend in a car accident. She is grieving the loss of her ex. She, you know, this is a very sentimental and emotional episode and she's obviously missing this person and grieving. And she gets wind of this technology where she can essentially download all of their communications, all of their texts, all of their emails from over the years, send it into this AI company and they can basically create this chatbot that is her boyfriend, or it types and communicates with her in the way that her boyfriend did. You could put voice notes, voicemails, and then it can speak to you. Very scary. And again, this is way before we've had this kind of technology and that it came to life. Now we see this all the time, that AI can replicate people's voices, things like that. So this has essentially, this episode has come true. The part that hasn't come true yet, which probably will at some point, is once this woman had this basically chatbot version of her late ex boyfriend, she could spend more money to up the service. And to up the service you could get essentially a humanoid version, a robot version of your ex. And it does look like them, but she was getting frustrated because it really wasn't him. And well, if she starts a fight with this robot version of her ex, he wouldn't fight back in the way that he would. And it was like sort of doing what AI does, which is giving you back what you put into it. And it was not very realistic, obviously. Cause it's not. So anyway, it essentially the episode, not to spoil it, but it ends badly because she doesn't like this AI version of her boyfriend, of course, and she tries to kill it and then doesn't because she feels bad for it. Cause there's like some sort of like a human aspect to it. And then she essentially keeps it locked away in her attic. So anyway, that's that episode.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
Classic black mirror twist.
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Haley Carania
Classic black mirror twist. Sorry for the disclaimer or the. What's it called? The. Whatever. I can't think of the word. Anyway, this is very scary because I think there is a consent aspect to this. Like in this specific situation in Black Mirror, the guy's dead, so he can't really consent to this, which is also disturbing. But let's say you find out that your ex girlfriend, let's say, downloaded all of your communications, all of your text messages, all of your voice notes and voicemails that you've left her, and then sends it into a company that you don't consent to. And then she's listening and talking to an. A robot version of you. I would literally call the cops. That's next level stalker weird behavior. I. I can't get behind that. And this is for people that are obviously not good at coping with loss. And this is a horrible way to do that because they are very mentally unstable. And this is like essentially giving them an outlet to like not get over that grief. Like it's prolonging the grief process.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
We talked about it yesterday a little bit when we were kind of talking, pitching this story. Like you become addicted to it because it's always going to be something you can access, like even if you're like, okay, well, I'm done talking to it. I deleted it. It's something that can always come back. It's so right.
- [57:23]
Haley Carania
And it's like, oh, I'm kind of missing them. Like, I would really like to get a text message from them. And then you do it. It's like, ugh. It's a very. It's like, like, kind of.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
It's very icky voodoo.
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Haley Carania
Kind of like I'm getting like, voodoo witchcraft vibes. It's very, very scary. So, yeah, this is happening now in China. This is a Chinese company. People are using it. They are using this to try to get over their exes. Like we just said is an impossibility. If anything, this prolongs that process of getting over them. This is just. It's very unhealthy. And I think that the same way that people are relying on AI for connection, this is why we're seeing people use AI for girlfriends and boyfriends. It's like you're. You can't do it in real life. So this is like this fake version that you have more control of. And that's very scary, too. I think it's people who have control issues and people who are seriously mentally unstable.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
And as humans, I mean, we. We long for connection in one way or another, whether it's online or in person. And unfortunately, the online connection can fake. Fill a void that just is human nature and.
- [58:36]
Haley Carania
Right.
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Unidentified Commentator 2
Got to be so careful with that.
- [58:38]
Haley Carania
And someone in the chat said, where's the consent form? Like, I wouldn't want to ever find out that my ex uploaded all of my text messages to this thing without my knowledge. So there's absolutely going to be lawsuits to come. I mean, hopefully this doesn't come to the United States. I'm sure it will. And I'm sure, you know, idiots will get involved in it, but it's. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen. Just very scary. Very, very scary. Thank you for watching the show today. You can follow me on social media aileycarrenia and I'll see you right back here tomorrow. By.
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Unidentified Commentator 1
Sam.