
In this episode of Scrolling: We’re getting back into the LA mayoral race and why Spencer Pratt’s campaign is resonating with frustrated Californians. Then we’re diving into media-fueled pandemic panic over cruise ship illnesses, UFOs and alleged alien species, and a Catholic priest who says the whole thing could be demonic deception.
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Hello and welcome to Scrolling with Haley. I'm Hailey Carania. Happy Monday morning everyone. Or I guess afternoon. Now it's afternoon. I hope everyone had a great weekend. President Trump. He may or may not be endorsing someone in the LA mayoral race. Here's why I think he should refrain. Plus why have we only heard from one Honda Cruise Line quarantiner? That's the question on a lot of tiktokers minds and and mine as well. And now the media is doing what the media does best and creates medical panic among the masses. So we're going to get into all of that. Plus Scrolling time Quick reminder to subscribe to this show. If you're already in the chat, you already know rumble.com Haley Bonginareport make sure that you are subscribed. That's where you watch Vince at 8, me at noon. And of course if you can't catch us live, that's totally fine. You can watch on Rumble whenever you want or listen on your favorite podcast platform. However, wherever you listen, just tell a friend And I want to tell you about our sponsor for today's show. What's that one outfit you always end up living in all spring? For me it is the Brushed Bamboo Jogger set from Cozy Earth. It is incredibly soft, lightweight, easy to wear anywhere at home running errands. I pair it with the Lake House clogs and it has become my daily go to. It just works and stands out from everything else I own. Plus Cozy Earth stands behind everything. They make a 30 day return policy on all products, a lifetime warranty on the clothing and hassle free returns. If anything isn't right this Memorial Day, give yourself the kind of comfort that lives with you all day, not just the moment you get home. Cozy Earth's brushed Bamboo Jogger set and Lake House Clogs are designed to keep you cozy, comfortable and actually relax all season long. Comfort lives here. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code scroll for up to 30% off, but only for a limited time. This exclusive, exclusive offer runs through May 18th and June 1st only, so don't wait. That is code scroll@cozy earth.com for up to 30% off and if you see a post purchase survey mention that you heard about Cozy Earth right here and put those phones on do not disturb because the show starts right now. The LA mayoral race is in the home stretch with just about two more weeks until election day and 16 people are running. I looked that up last night. I said who else is in this race? Because I've only heard of three. So if you're like me, you've probably only heard of the three. The incumbent Mayor Karen Bass, Councilwoman Nithya Raman, and of course, the former reality star Spencer Pratt. Everyone else, I don't know. I think they're polling pretty close to the negatives, so we don't have to pay attention to that. But Karen Bass is central to Spencer Pat's political origin story. If not for Karen Bass and her poor leadership during the Pacific Palisades fires, maybe Spencer wouldn't have run for office at all. If Spencer hadn't lost his house, if the fires hadn't happened, I don't think he'd be doing this. I think he was kind of thrust into the spotlight, if you will. I know he's been in the spotlight, but back into the spotlight because. Because of this. I don't think he asked for this. It kind of. People kind of try to compare him to Donald Trump and that's sort of the left's tactic these days. But the one thing that I do. And yeah, there's a reality TV star link there, but I think the really only link between Spencer Pratt and Donald Trump is that neither one of them needed to run for office. Neither one of them needed this. Neither one of them wanted this. And it just seemed like something that fell into their lap, this opportunity that they couldn't rep. Refuse. And you know, Spencer House's Pratt burned down on Karen Bass watch. Except she wasn't even in town when it all went down. Of course, you may remember that she was in Ghana to watch the inauguration of Ghana's president and she was gone for a few days. Apparently the Biden White House wanted Karen Bass to go to that. So weird. I just. That's odd to me. Why is that necessary for the mayor of LA to go watch the president of Ghana be inaugurated
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and why maybe their sister cities. That's the only thing I could. That's the only, like, even close to rational reason I could think somebody be over there.
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I. Yeah, it just. It seems odd. So anyway, if a politician, by the way, wants to go on vacation or a. An official trip, I don't care. I don't care. People seem to use this as an insult. You know, oh, Trump's playing golf and oh, Biden's on the beach or whatever, what are you supposed to do? Like work 247 for 8 years maybe? I mean, I actually don't mind when people take a break. And if you are going to say that Biden can't be on the beach, then you have to keep the same energy. And then Trump can't play golf, so, you know, you just got to keep the same energy. So I'm fine with people taking vacation as long as you're getting your work done, you know, go wherever you need to go, especially if it's an official trip. It seems odd that an odd and quite unnecessary for Karen Bass to have to go to Ghana. But three days into her West Africa trip, the Palisades fires begin. Bad timing. She comes back, and since then she has said that the trip was a mistake, that she shouldn't have gone. And honestly, that's really weird because she had no idea that that was going to happen. Like, if the Palisades fire didn't happen, she wouldn't have been like, sorry that I went to Ghana. The trip wasn't a mistake. It was just really bad timing. You don't have to come out and apologize that you went. It was just, you're sorry that you got caught kind of a thing. But it's really not her fault. And the optics are horrible. Like, either way, no matter how you slice it, I'm giving her, like, a little bit of credit because it's not her fault, but the optics are absolutely horrible. And it's hard to come back from something like that, whether she's really in the wrong or not. And I think because of the mayoral race, Karen Bass is getting a lot of the heat, which I think Newsom should be taking more of, by the way. Like, it just seems like Newsom gets away with murder all the time. Like, his there, you know, his state is burning down, the cities are a mess. And I know that Karen Bass is in charge of, you know, L. A, but the problems in California are much greater than just LA and they're much greater than skid row, and there's massive fraud going on. And I feel like because this mayoral race is going on and because. And because Gavin Newsom is out in 2028, people just kind of like, forgot to criticize Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom is the real villain here. I mean, Karen Bass is the villain, but Gavin Newsom is the real villain here. And I think once he officially throws his hat into the ring for 2028, we're going to get more of that getting drudged up. Some of his. His bad policies and some of the. His resume items that aren't so great.
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It's kind of like this race here. There's so much negative. Like, what's he expecting? People are just going to like, memory hole his entire existence.
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I think Gavin Newsom is banking on the fact that he is a handsome man and there are women who are dumb as bricks and they will vote for him because he is handsome and they will vote for. They vote blue no matter who. And Democrats are very good at getting people to vote blue no matter who. They don't. It doesn't matter. I said this on Friday. You could cut off Tim Walls big toe and have him run for mayor in la and people are gonna vote for Tim Walls cut off, big toe, no doubt.
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But on such a big stage, I just feel like, kind of like what happened with Kamala Harris where people were pushing these like, here's more about Kamala Harris, like, campaigns.
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Here's where the Democrats, this is when they decide, oh, shoot, I guess it's not enough to vote blue, no matter who, when they think they're going to lose because that's what they did with Biden and that's why they put Kamala Harris in there. And as soon they would have taken Biden all the way to the bank if they thought that he was going to beat Trump, but he wasn't. And then the debate was a total disaster and they realized, shoot, it's not that they did the right thing, it was, oh, we're gonna lose. We have to do exactly what we have to do, what we need to do now to fix this. And in their mind, that was Kamala Harris, which is hilarious. But yeah, I mean, they only they, once they think that they're gonna lose, then they stop supporting the person. And Kamala Harris fell flat on her face. Her campaign ended up billions of dollars in debt and now Democrats don't like her and it's because she's a loser. Once you're a loser, it's a problem. But they think Gavin Newsom's not a loser yet. Gavin Newsom has like, he is just, he's like made out of Teflon. He can have all these recall elections and he just beats them. And honestly, like, that's enough for the Democrats. I think he could be a shitty candidate. He could have shitty policies, he had shitty resume and he's good looking and he's suave, he's slimy. He could say all the right things and they don't. Democrats don't shy away from a bad resume or bad policies. They don't care about that. But the second they think that Gavin Newsom is not going to be able to win, then watch them shift on him. But until then, I think Gavin Newsom's their guy, because he. He hasn't proven to them that he's a loser yet. He's a loser, just not like a political loser. So, anyway, let's get back to Spencer Pratt here. Gavin Newsom. Like, he is the villain, but Karen Bass is the perfect villain for Spencer Pratt's campaign, and he is taking full advantage of that, as he should. Spencer blames her, the lack of emergency preparedness in California as the whole reason for why he is homeless. And despite his story being very tragic and a reality for his family, I'm not trying to diminish that. His story is perfect for his campaign, because it's not just his story. It's the story of thousands of Angelenos, too. And he gets to use this tragedy to fight not only for himself and for his family, but for the people who have also been wronged. And he's the sympathetic character. He gets to point fingers at the Democrats, and. And the Democrats are really left with nothing to say. They can't defend their failures. They can't defend their records. So he's backing them into a corner and watching them squirm. And Spencer Pratt said it best. This is what he posted on X. Notice how these corrupt politicians always want to talk about their experience because they don't want to talk about your experience living under their failed leadership. And that's exactly what's going on here. Spencer Pratt is exposing what it is like to actually live under these policies. And that's a problem for Democrats when they have all these talking points and all these narratives that they hit and they check all the boxes. But then it's like, yeah, but what is it actually like to live under this person? Take away all the shiny politics and, you know, all of the. They're all glammed up and they've got a team behind them that's pushing this perfect, you know, take all that away. And what is it actually like living in la? Well, it sucks. And Spencer Pratt's gonna tell you why, and he's gonna show you with these very tragic images of what's left of his house, which is absolutely nothing. It's like ash and rubble. So it's very clear that Spencer Pratt's opponents, the media, tmz, whoever tipped TMZ off probably for this story, wanted to poke holes in Spencer's sob story. So this is the TMZ story that went out. Spencer Pratt ditches trailer for swanky Hotel Bel Air. And it says Spencer Pratt has gained traction at his campaign for. Campaign for LA mayor by showing what he says Karen Bass did to his family, forcing them to live in a trailer after his home burned down. But TMZ has learned that he's traded in the trailer for one of the swankiest hotels in L. A. But Spencer says he was forced to ditch the trailer because of death threats. So TMZ asked Spencer if he has ever lived in the trailer in that Airstream that was on his property. And he has used this Airstream in tik tok videos. I played this on the show last week, you know, house tour, using the Sabrina Carpenter song house tour. And he's, you know, I'll take you to the first, second, third floor. And there's no second floor. There's no third floor. It's just an Airstream. But he's, you know, jumping on the bed in the Airstream and what have you. And it's also been a focal point of some other campaign messaging for him where it's like, this is where I live. And it's this dramatic drone shot, and you see the Airstream and then you back up and it's like all this rubble. Right. So is the Airstream just a prop, if you will? Well, TMZ was trying to get to the bottom of that. So they asked Spencer, have you ever lived in it? And he said, I never told anyone that I lived there. And then TMZ pointed out that in the ad, that, like, famous viral ad, he said, this is where I live. And then there was that dramatic drone shot with the zoom out and all that stuff. So I guess he did say, this is where I live. However, that could be interpreted as this pile of ash and crap is where I used to live, you know, so he's not really lying, like, this is where I live. Yeah, that's where he lives. That's where all these people in l. A who lost their homes used to live. So then TMZ spoke to, of course, anonymous sources who claim that Spencer has been staying at hotel Bel Air for more than a month without the rest of his family. And apparently Heidi and the kids are staying, you know, somewhere else. And the trailer is still is not being used. So TMZ did some digging on the hotel Bel Air. They say it's luxurious. You can't get a room for less than fifteen hundred dollars a night. And then, you know, if you stay in the nicest of the nice room, it could be over $8,000 a night. I don't know if Spencer Pratt is staying in the nicest of the nice room on the property or what's going On. But here is what Spencer Pratt had to say about this reporting. He said, hey, guys, why don't they want to talk about why I need a hotel in the first place? Karen Bass let my home burn down. Also, 6,000 of my neighbors. No big deal. And he has a point. You know, Karen Bass, she lives in a nice house. Her house is still standing. Councilwoman Ramen lives in a nice house. Her house is still standing. I'm sure Spencer would love to be living in his once nice house in the Palisades. But thanks to the botched emergency preparedness and poor Democrat leadership, his young family has been displaced. So whether his family is living in an Airstream or a hotel, neither one of those is home. It doesn't matter where he's living. It's not home. His kids don't get to, you know, go back to their once comfy bedrooms. They don't get to visit their childhood bedroom. They don't get to grow up where they, you know, that's. That's horrible. It's tragic. And that's the crux of what Spencer Pratt is trying to get to. He doesn't have his home anymore. The people he's running against are the reason why. And to the point about his wife and kids living elsewhere. Other politicians have had to do this, by the way. I remember Tom Homan said this, that he was living separately from the rest of his family because of death threats and things like that. It's not just like, oh, they're living separately. There must be something wrong. We have to expose it. It's like, sometimes the truth really is they are doing this for safety purposes.
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Also, most people who are complaining about him being at a hotel, like, what are you wanting him to do? To go, like, to the seediest motel he can find. And, like, I mean, he does have, like, his own money that he spend on a hotel.
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Right. And, like, how many of these people that are pointing fingers, like, where do you think TMZ workers are staying when they're on a work trip? You think that they're in, like, the Motel 6? Or. Or are they in a hotel? I'm not saying they're staying at. I don't know. I don't know anything about the Hotel Bel Air. I have no idea. But let's just. Let's be real here.
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The headline got me because I'm rooting for this guy at this point. We've. We've done a couple segments on him, and I'm all in.
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Yeah.
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And I saw the headline. I was like, oh, man, oh, man,
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they got him right.
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This is his. This is his heel right here. And then you read the article, and they're like, yes, family is getting death threats. And, you know, you know, the. Where are they going to put the Airstream? Like, even near. Like, they basically debunk their whole article, as you read in the article.
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Yeah, exactly. So. And again, if this is the only thing they have on Spencer, they're screwed. And they know that they're screwed. So that's why when I said earlier, like, I think that this was not necessarily TMZ doing journalism, but I think that there was probably someone in the Democrat party or someone maybe on another campaign that wanted this exposed. This, to me, smells exactly like oppo research from someone else. And then they knew someone at tmz. And, hey, we have a story for you. Hey, we have, you know, a lead for you. And then they run with it. This is the way that the media and the political apparatus works. So maybe Spencer Pratt doesn't want people knowing where he's living while he's exposing the entire Democrat Party. We know how violent they can get. Maybe he doesn't want to be living with his family for their safety, because if he's getting death threats, you don't want to put your family, your wife and your two young sons at risk. And, yeah, like, TMZ is painting this hotel as a luxury. And honestly, I hate staying in hotels. Like, some people rave about the hotel experience. Maybe I don't stay in the nicest places. I don't know. I don't like being away from home. And when I go on vacation, I think about, I can't wait to go home, and I can't wait to just, like, get back in my bed. And Spencer Pratt doesn't have that luxury. Like, it's not. He's not going home to his bed after he stays in the hotel. Like, they have to rebuild somewhere. That sucks. It sucks. And honestly, like, for TMZ to paint this, like, the most pricey room in the hotel is $8,000. You think that Spencer Pratt is spending $8,000 a night? I'm assuming not.
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I would assume not. And. And we have the same issue kind of down here. And because we're. We're near Palm Beach. Like, once you get to Palm beach, there's not, like, a bad hotel. They're all pretty luxurious and they're all expensive. Like, and it's just your only option. Granted, you know, LA is a big city, but nonetheless, like, where else is he gonna stay?
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Yeah, I mean, Seriously. So anyway, to that point, Spencer's opponents know that Spencer has the story and they try to poke holes in the story and that it's not working. And he also doesn't need pricey ad campaigns to win over Angelenos. All he needs is his phone. All he needs is to be genuine and to tell his story and expose Democrat failed leadership. And it's working. And they're desperately grasping at straws. So the Democrat apparatus has teamed up with not only the media, but now with other Hollywood celebrities to try to take Spencer down. And this is where Spencer is at his best. Media attack. Quick answer. Celebrity attack. Masterful comeback. He is the comeback king. So Chelsea Handler, are we calling her a comedian? Like, I wanted to say former comedian, because I haven't heard her do comedy in forever.
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She is somebody who was funny at some point in time.
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I remember watching Chelsea lately on E. News. She had a late night show and I watched that and I. This was before, you know, politics became everything, but I thought that she was funny. But it just seems like a lot of these liberal comedian types, like, they can't help themselves but just to go, like, full when it comes to politics, and then they just ruin themselves. So anyway, Chelsea Handler, I would put her in that bucket. And Chelsea Handler, once funny, former comedian, weighs in on Spencer Pratt's campaign. Listen, if you're seeing this video, this is a reminder that a straight white male, former reality star that has no previous experience in government should not be a legitimate political candidate. Have we learned anything yet? The bar is on the floor, people, and I need you to jump over it. Okay, thank you. Have a nice day. Does it make it better that she's drinking while making this? Like, she's. She's got her, like, margarita cup next to her and she's like these straight white males, like, what are we going to do about them?
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I love these videos because when you dissect them, they're so out of touch.
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They're so stupid.
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You know, there was a whole team that was like, what can we make her do? That's like the people give her a drink.
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Yeah, exactly. Also, I feel like it's one of these things now where people know that in order to go viral and in order to keep people's attention, you have to be talking and doing something at the same time. It's sort of like on social media, you'll see those videos go viral and it's someone talking and they're doing a story time, but then they stitch the video with, like, slime or Some, like, Subway Surfer. So it's like, don't go. Listen to what I have to say. If. If your attention span has been completely ruined by your screen time, please stay. You can watch this Subway Surfer and listen to me at the same time. So I don't know, I just feel like maybe this is someone on her staff being like, why don't you do something while you talk so that people stay? And this is why the Get Ready with me has been so popularized, is because, let me talk and you can watch me do my makeup. So it's like, if you don't. If you don't want to listen to what I have to say, you can watch me do this. And if you don't care about what I have to say, you know. Anyway, so that's probably what she was doing, just making a drink and stirring it. But I find it funny that she says, we. We've already seen this before. These, like, straight white males. Down with the straight white males. Wait until Gavin Newsom runs for president. Chelsea Handler will be right up there. You know, she's going to be team straight white male, real fricking quick. And then she'll. She'll say, oh, but it's the reality TV star aspect of this that I don't like. You're a reality TV star. Like, you are one of them. These are your people. And if there was a leftist reality TV star with no political experience running, I'm sure she'd be all for it. What this is, is politics. It's. It's. If it's Republican, it's bad. If it's liberal, it's good.
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We're running out of jobs you can have before you take public office. Like, you can't work at McDonald's.
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You can't. You can't be a bartender.
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Bartender can't be on tv.
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Well, with Cancel Culture, you really can't do anything. That's. That's where we're getting at. It's. If you want to run for office, you have to be the perfect person from the day you're born. And if you ever make a mistake, you're absolutely screwed.
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Lab grown. They're going to empty your tank and teach you the ways.
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I mean, how do you become a political candidate now with no baggage and no mistakes? Are there even people like that? And if they are, if there are, they would never run for politics. It's like, such a sleazy business.
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No doubt.
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These are, you know, the worst of the worst people running for office. And let me just say, I Like, certain candidates, because I like who they are and I like their policies, but they're all, like, the lesser of two evil options. I hate government. And when I say I hate government, like, I hate Republicans and Democrats, I'm saying this as a Republican voter. Like, I hate people who run for office. I hate these people. I just think that they're all narcissistic and crazy and, you know, the truth comes out, and they're all horrible people. And it's like, yeah, this is why you just have a low expectation. This is like a don't meet your heroes kind of an industry to be in. Don't meet any of these people. They stink. But anyway, Spencer, for right now, we're on Team Spencer, and this is how he replied to Chelsea Handler. All he had to do was reply. With Shane Gillis talking about Chelsea Handler, he didn't even really have to say anything himself. Watch. Chelsea Handler went to dinner at Jeffrey Epstein's house in 2010. It's just a fun one.
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I.
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Look, you can look it up. There's articles. It wasn't like a big party. There was, like, seven people there, and it was like Prince Andrew and Woody Allen were there. Anyway. Ladies and gentlemen, Chelsea Handler. I love how everyone's laughing. Not one joke was told. Shane Gillis, funny guy. Not one joke was told. He was, like, deadpan to the camera. Yeah, you don't. You want me to introduce Chelsea Handler? I'll introduce Chelsea Handler, which tells me that he really dislikes her. Like, I know that this was part of a roast, but, like, that was. That was not, like, a funny roast. That was like, yeah, you're a piece of shit. I'm gonna let everyone know every.
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Yeah, every once in a while, what they say about jokes is true. There's always a little truth in everyone.
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There's a little truth.
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And during these roasts, sometimes it's just truth and there's no joke attached.
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The best roast ever was Alec Baldwin's daughter, Ireland Baldwin. Did you ever see that?
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I don't think I did.
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Oh, my gosh. Would you be able to pull it up or no?
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Let me see what I can do.
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Okay, let me just give you the spark notes if we can pull it up. If not, maybe I'll just, like, put it. I'll tweet it out or something. If you have not seen that roast. And none of us like Alec Baldwin. Alec Baldwin is one of the least likable people on planet Earth. And Ireland Baldwin, you know, this went viral years and years and years ago, but A voicemail of Alec Baldwin to Ireland Baldwin went viral. It got leaked somehow. And I forget the details of how it got leaked. Maybe she leaked it, I don't know. But Alec Baldwin called his own daughter a pig and was, like, so rude. Screaming at his own daughter. Disgusting behavior. Like, truly disgusting. Did you get it? I heard it.
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I think I got it.
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Okay. It's a good one.
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Alrighty. Here you go.
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Hi, dad. I'm Ireland. Starting off. It's good to be here. I almost didn't even know about it because I haven't checked my voicemails from my dad from the last, like, 12 years or something. I actually have a lot in common with the people on this roast because, like, them, I don't really know you that well either. Well, a lot of people know my dad as that guy from the Mission Impossible movies or that guy from 30 Rock. I know him as that guy from, like, half of my birthday parties. It was bad, let me just say, like. And it gets worse than that. And it. Everyone was, like, rooting for Ireland to just take her. Take her own dad down. So I've never really watched. That's like a Comedy Central roast.
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Indeed.
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And I love comedy, but I've never seen one of those in full. Actually, I watched the Roast of Tom Brady, but that was on Netflix, right?
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Yeah, same.
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Same production concept. So it's like you kind of. It's not just Tom Brady being roasted. You roast other people too.
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Corre. It gets out of hand very quickly. And there's definitely some where you're just like, oh, no.
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Yeah, yeah. So Shane Gillis obviously took this opportunity. This was the roast of Kevin Hart. Right. That was the most recent one just happened. And Shane Gillis obviously took this opportunity to roast Chelsea Handler in not even really a creative way, but just, you know, here. Here are the details, in case you didn't know. So Spencer Pratt jumping on this, you know, and here's the thing. You best have your reputation in order and no skeletons in your closet if you want to get involved in this kind of game, this tit for tat game, because once you come for Spencer, the gloves are off. Spencer didn't even have to call on Shane Gillis to hate on Chelsea Handler. They were already doing it. So he just used this clip from the roast and it was perfect timing. So then here's another incredible clapback. Nithya Rama is the councilwoman who's running for LA mayor, and in an attempt to make herself look like the candidate who will actually make a difference when it Comes to fire safety. She proposed a backyard barbecue ban. A backyard barbecue ban. And maybe liberals like don't grill fire
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for me, but not for the because
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remember Chuck Schumer got roasted for making his burgers. They just look terrible. Like maybe liberals don't know how to grill. So maybe they see this and they think, no problem, I wasn't grilling anyway. But Nithya Raman wants to ban backyard barbecues for residents during high fire danger days across the city. And this to me screams classic Democrat response to a problem. Their knee jerk reaction is to blame the people and impose rules on the people instead of themselves. And they do this with gun control, pandemic response, climate change. Their go to reaction to solve a problem is how can we the government infringe on we the people? So when it comes to gun control, you know, there's another mass shooting, it's a tragedy. Whether it's a school, place of worship, grocery store concert. Their reaction is not to address the mental illness of the lone gunman who caused the tragedy, but they want to infringe upon the rights of the majority of gun owners who abide by the law. Then when it comes to pandemic response, despite them saying they would follow the science, they really didn't. They came up with other ways to infringe on our rights. Stay home, save lives. Roll up your sleeve or lose your job. Follow the arrows in the grocery store and go home at 8pm and don't see anyone outside of your household. And also don't visit your dying family members in the hospital either. In hindsight, did any of those things work? No, but they, they got to say that they were doing something. And that's all Democrats care about. They get to say, without actually doing anything productive, we're doing something. Same thing with climate change. They have a whole laundry list of rules for people, don't eat meat, eat this 3D printed bug patty instead. Even Karen Bass said that ahead of the Olympics she would consider bringing back pandemic stay at home policies to lighten up on traffic. So see, like it's a slippery slope because once you allow the Democrats to do these things, they are like, oh well, we could just bring that back whenever we want. Well, we could just infringe on your rights all the time. Like, what if we infringe on your rights all the time? And then Democrat voters are so stupid they keep voting for these people. So all of this is just to control the masses while also acting like they're doing something. There's no evidence that barbecues start wildfires in California? None at all. And don't get me wrong, people light stuff on fire by accident. That happens. There are accidents involving barbecues, but no devastating wildfire has ever been started in this way. It's usually lightning, electrical fires, and in the case of the Palisades fire, evil arsonists. So is banning barbecues on certain days an effective strategy backed by science and reality? Not really, but it's perfect for Nithya Rahman, who wants to make it seem to voters like she cares. And it seems like she has a plan in place, and she just probably hopes that nobody actually calls her out for how stupid it is. Well, anyway, here's Spencer Pratt calling her out for how stupid it is. Come and take it, he says. And here he is grilling in his backyard. Happy smoke. For what backyard? You don't know. Where do you think this grill is?
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I hope with all my heart he's just, like, on the patio of his Bel Air hotel room.
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So the only. And I mean the only thing left in the Democrats toolbox, specifically Nithya Rahman's toolbox at this point, because she's already called Spencer Pratt a fascist with no evidence, is to tie him to President Trump, also with no evidence. So Nithya Rahman, you know, the. The barbecue thing didn't work. So now she's saying that Spencer Pratt will likely get the endorsement of President Trump and that this is coming in the next few days. She's. She thinks, you know, tonight is the fundraising deadline. We need to raise more money to. To prove that L. A doesn't want a MAGA Republican mayor who lives in the Bel Air Hotel. Of course, you know, so this tells me that we know exactly who tipped off TMZ to that story. She's like, wow, I'm gonna. I'm gonna put this in my. In my toolbox. So, yes, Donald Trump is about to endorse Spencer. Has he? No, But Spencer replied this. This is just a gif from his. His debate performance dealing with these people that he's running against. And there have been rumors that President Trump will endorse Spencer. And honestly, as much as I like Spencer and as much as I like Donald Trump, I don't think a Trump endorsement would help Spencer at all. The left is already trying to turn him into this MAGA boogeyman. Not that I think it's working, but I think Spencer's a political campaign, despite being a registered Republican, will appeal more to Angelenos in the middle, and those votes are going to matter. And those are the votes that Spencer has to lose. And I fear that if Donald Trump gets involved, which sometimes I think he can't help himself to do, God love him. I don't think that solidifying that Democrat campaign narrative is going to be helpful because then it just gives the Democrats more fuel to the fire. Nithya Rahman can then go and say, yes, he is a MAGA Republican, yes, you know, he is a fascist. And whether or not that's true, it's not, you know, that gives the Democrats more legs to stand on. And certainly Democrat voters who are dumb beyond repair will believe it. And it's, they're just going to be able to lie and say that Spencer is MAGA when he really isn't. And even if Spencer secretly is like, even when Spencer lays his head down at night, if he is secretly maga, he's been hiding it this long for a reason and it's working. He's getting a lot of traction. And I hope that this isn't MAGA traction, like fake social media traction that doesn't translate to votes. If Trump endorses Spencer, it will certainly turn off Democrat voters who are maybe leaning towards Spencer. And again, if Spencer Pratt is secretly maga, to just let him cosplay as this apolitical celebrity that just wants to, you know, usher and change and fix things. Because Spencer's doing great on his own. I don't think he needs a boost from the President. And fire preparedness, you know, this is, it's really apolitical. Like it's not left or right or center fire preparedness and, you know, taking on soft on crime policies and homelessness. These are common sense policies. And Spencer Pratt is starting with skid row and all the dogs that are suffering, they're being held hostage essentially by homeless people and they are being tested on by drug addicts. There are drug addicts on skid row that are injecting dogs to test their drugs on them. It is a tragedy. So Spencer, because he doesn't need the pricey campaigns, he doesn't need celebrity endorsements, he doesn't need Chelsea Handler, he is using his social media clout to his advantage. So he teamed up with an LA based influencer and comedian Amanda McCants to Ty Spencer, not to Trump, but to the dogs. And who doesn't want to vote for the dogs? Watch this. First of all, thank you guys for taking the time to meet with us. We know how busy you are. Todd, you were in the shelter for like 90 days. Was it like a vacation, but like in a cage? Todd, I Was not trying to look, but I noticed you don't have any balls. Good for you. As mayor, I want to enforce this spay and neutering so you and all your friends don't end up dead in these alleged no kill shelter. You think it's a good idea, Doc? I mean, I think it's a great idea. I didn't even notice you didn't have balls. So I think this is smart. Because who doesn't love dogs? Who doesn't love dogs? Who doesn't love getting dogs spayed and neutered and getting them off the streets where homeless people are abusing them? Who doesn't love getting dogs out of shelters? Who doesn't love finding them forever homes? This is something that everyone can get behind. So I don't again, as much as I love Trump, like, please stay out of this. Spencer Pratt has something good going here. We don't need anything to ruin this mojo. And Spencer Pratt posted this on X saying the only endorsement he needs, moms and animal lovers who want to feel safe. And that's a great policy platform to run on. That's a great tagline. You know, moms and animal lovers. People who want to feel safe again essentially make LA safe again. Take politics out of this. Take left, right. Who living in Los Angeles doesn't want the government to be more prepared in an emergency? Nobody. Who in Los Angeles doesn't want dogs to be saved? Nobody. Who in Los Angeles is thrilled with the state of the city as it stands? Maybe some. But when it comes to homelessness, crime, most people can admit that these are issues that need fixing. So celebrity endorsements, Spencer doesn't need them. He just needs votes. Let him cook and his common sense ideas will speak for themselves. I want to talk about the hantavirus because nobody's talking about it anymore. And there's a reason for that. I'm going to get into this and give you a little inside baseball as to how media networks choose what they're going to cover and when they're not going to cover it and why. And you know, what was this like two weeks ago? Hantavirus was the thing?
B
Yeah, something like that.
A
Two weeks ago or last week even.
B
Honestly, it could have been last week. Time is moving so odd these days.
A
It came and went. It came and went. Like, what happened to hantavirus? Well, here's the thing. This is classic media obsession. And another example of this is the Nancy Guthrie case. Everyone's covering it. Everyone's covering it. Everyone's covering it until they don't and the reason why? It's not that it's not important. It's not that it's not tragic. Once there aren't any updates, what are you going to talk about? The reason why we were all hopping on the Nancy Guthrie train when we were in the immediate was because she could have been found any moment. Then when you realize, oh, this is, you know, way over their heads, they're not going to get any answers. She's not going to be found immediately. It's just, what are we going to talk? You're going to talk about the fact that she hasn't been found. And then again, and then again. And so it loses interest. People lose interest. People naturally want to follow stories that have a conclusion. And when there's no immediate conclusion, people get bored. And this is how the media decides what to cover. Not importance, but demand. That's how this works. Eyeballs equals advertising dollars equals more money. And just in case you didn't know, people in the media industry don't do this for, like, the love of the game. They do this to make money. Every business makes money. Sorry, even doctors do it for the money. You know what I mean? Like, two things can be true at once. You can have people in the media who care about, you know, the flow of information and telling the truth and holding people to account, and they still want to make money. At the end of the day, they do it because it's a job. And again, every single media industry, every single business wants to make money. So with that in mind, this hantavirus story was very interesting because there were people testing positive, then there were updates because people were getting off the boat, then they were being flown into quarantine, and there was interest. And in the beginning, because there were parallels with COVID people are obviously going to take interest in this. But the difference between Covid and Andy's virus strain of hantavirus is that the incubation period is much longer, AKA our attention spans don't have the time to care about the Andes virus strain. It's too taking too long for people to get sick because it's not going to be a pandemic. It's not like COVID 19. The incubation period can be anywhere up to 42 days. People are not going to wait. Like people don't care. It's not going to be like hantavirus, you know, from morning until night until, you know, there's nothing going on. So unless this thing starts spreading like wildfire, which it shouldn't, we're not Going to get very many updates. But people online were finding it very strange that we have only heard from one person on the ship. How many people were on that ship? Had to have been thousands, quite a few hundreds, let's be safe and say hundreds. But I think this was a smaller cruise ship if I, if I'm. If I'm remembering correctly. But either way, out of. Even if there were a hundred people, Jake's the only person that has a phone. Jake from the Hantavirus Cruise Line. Jake is the only person with a TikTok account who wants to document the fact that he's on this cruise ship. Like, you can't tell me that that's true.
B
I've got 147.
A
Okay, so one out of 147 has a phone. Don't believe it. One out of 147 has a TikTok account and wants to document it. Don't believe it. Okay, so if you don't remember Jake. Here's Jake crying from the Hantavirus cruise line.
B
I normally wouldn't make a video like this, but I feel like I need to say something, so I wrote a few things down. I am currently on board the MV Hobbyists. And what's happening right now is very real for all of us here. We're not just a story. We're not just headlines. We're people. People with families, with lives, with people waiting for us at home. There's a lot of uncertainty, and that's the hardest part. All we want right now is to feel safe, to have clarity and to get home. So if you're seeing coverage about this, just remember that there are real people behind it and that this isn't something happening somewhere far away. It's happening to us right now. I'll share more when I can, but for now, I just ask for your kindness and understanding. Thank you.
A
Okay, so people are. People seem to think that he's like a paid actor or like an industry plant. I actually don't believe that at all. I think he's like a gay guy that was actually crying on the cruise.
B
In this guy's defense, it was pretty early when this video came out. They were acting like it was going to be like devastation.
A
That's what I'm saying. Like he's crying. I think these are real tears, not crocodile tears. Yeah.
B
Okay, Same page.
A
Yeah. So here's the thing. He's also people like, oh, he's a paid actor. Paid actor. He's a travel influencer. So he does this shit. He goes on Cruise lines and films it. So it's like this is actually very par for the course for this guy Jake. Like is he always filming his cruise experiences when they turn tragic? Well, this is his first time, so I don't believe that he's an industry plant. But now that Jake is the only person on the Honda Cruise Line, this is what I like calling it now. Instead of the Hondius, it's the Honda, the Haunteas.
B
This PR campaign is going to be crazy.
A
The hauntiest cruise line. He's the only one with a cell phone and people are questioning why that is. And he's the only, only one talking about it seemingly. And Again, out of 147 people, apparently this is like a pricier cruise line. So maybe because it's a pricier cruise line, like he's on the trip because he's a travel influencer. Most of the people who are probably on the Hondius are wealthier, maybe older. They're not on TikTok like we are. They're not going to grab their phones into a story time. So because Jake is a travel influencer, it makes total sense. So he's the face of Hanta now and he was all over the left wing news. You'll notice that right wing news is not obsessing over the story the same way that the left wing does. CNN loves a death toll. They love a pandemic. They eat it up. So here is Jake with Anderson Cooper on CNN talking about, you know, how exciting it is to get his morning Starbucks delivered by the nurses and, and you know, how horrible this whole situation is. Of course. Listen, he is still not home, but joins me tonight along with our Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Jake, when you first heard that Hantavirus had been detected on the ship, can you just take us back to that moment? I mean, you'd had this incredible, you know, voyage, this incredible journey to suddenly hear that. What was that like?
B
It was honestly extremely terrifying for me. Obviously it's not a virus I knew much about. I know that Gene Hackman's wife had passed away from it and I remember that happening, but I don't remember the virus itself. So when I started to learn more about the virus, it became a little less scary. Especially knowing that human to human transmission was relatively low.
A
So it's just like more fear porn that like CNN absolutely loves to push where it's, you know, he's even talking about how it's really not that big of a deal, but it's like still scary, you know, like the way that they're covering it. The tone, yeah, he's so serious and he's like, yeah, I'm sitting in this quarantine, no one's getting it. It's really rare. It's hard to spread and it's like still, they're still trying to make fetch happen.
B
I'm getting influencer packages, my clothes are delivered. Oh, it's very serious here.
A
I didn't pull any of his like travel videos. I should, maybe we should do this tomorrow. It's very funny. Like he's getting his Starbucks delivered by the nurses and the nurses are so good. And he's going to be there for 42 days. He's probably already, you know, a third of the way done. And he's getting Amazon shipments and his family is sending him like stuffed animals. It's like, is this not a grown man? Like what is happening? It's really odd.
B
Like the ultimate pto dudes just vibing.
A
And he's like, yeah, they have a, like a stationary bike in here. I haven't used it yet. So it's like, what are you doing? I'd be on that all frickin day long. I would go out of that and I'd be ripped again.
B
I think, yeah, I want to be walking out of there like Gucci mane just completely shredded.
A
Here's another thing too. If he's a travel influencer, I wonder if this is his full time job because how do you tell your boss you were on the Hondius and you have to quarantine for 42 days?
B
They would say, hey, you're a liar,
A
come into work, hey you're fired. Maybe he is a full time travel influencer and this is keeping him from traveling. Although this is the most air, this is the most attention he's probably ever going to get. So this is kind of perfect for him. If this is his full time gig, this is the best thing he could have asked for. Especially if he's not sick, which he doesn't seem to be sick or experiencing symptoms of any kind. You know, you're sitting in this room for 42 days and you're making content. He's making, this is make. It's actually working out very well for Jake. I don't feel too, too sorry for him at all.
B
Glad he's doing well.
A
It could have been worse. I will also say I'm still in the camp of why are they quarantining anywhere but the boat? You could have just kept it contained and, and they didn't.
B
I don't Know those rooms on the cruises, they're tough.
A
You keep going back to this, but it's like they signed up for, they paid good money to go stay in the room. Maybe, I don't know. I think got him. I, I, no, I am, I don't believe in cruises. I just don't believe in spending adult hard earned money. And then you go on a boat and you're trapped. It's just like not a good vacation in my opinion.
B
Why was the new world not discovered under Haley? She didn't want people to be trapped on boats.
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was born in the right generation, that's for sure, while the world was already discovered. But the point is there's no interest in this story really. Like there's no, there's nothing else to talk about with hanta. Like no one else is dying that we know of. And I guess if someone else dies, maybe we have to wait another week or two weeks, I don't know, something like that, 42 days. So instead, and this is what the media does, the media is pushing cruise line sickness slop stories to hold us over until we get the update that someone else has died from Honda. They're like, did you hear that 300 people got the stomach flu on another cruise? So people authorities clear norovirus stricken cruise ship to continue sailing after 1700 guests were confined. Like, they make this scary, but it's like again, people paid adult money to go get pass their germs back and forth and get the stomach flu. This is what they're trying to feed us in the meantime because there's no hot, the interest in Honda is there? There's just no meat on the story. So they're like, you know, to hold us over. It's like these people got the stomach flu. Don't you care? And they're trying to get us to care by like, oh my Gosh, you know, 1700 guests were confined. They were confined to begin with. They signed up to be confined. That's the point of the cruise.
B
Neurovirus sucks.
A
It does suck. I've had it once and you know, it's okay. You get through it. Do you need a People headline? No, actually, definitely not. We don't need to talk about the neurovirus. But people said that 50 passengers were showing signs of the illness and then they had to remain docked. Isn't that funny? Like when people were showing signs of hantavirus, they were like, everyone off. And then people are showing signs of the stomach flu and they're like, everyone stay where you are. They're like, neurovirus is spread very quickly, much more easily. But anyway, they docked in France while they, you know, dealt with 50 people that were pooping a lot, like throwing up.
B
It's just like, get them some Gatorade and some ginger ale, they'll be fine.
A
They'll be fine. But I, again, they, I love how they say neurovirus. Like they use its, its full government name instead of the stomach flu because then no one will care. It's like idiots that don't know what neurovirus is or clicking on it like, oh my God, it's going to be a pandemic. Me, you. So then they, they put out, quote, ambition. That was. The cruise line has now been released by the relevant French health authorities to continue normal operations. Guests are now able to disembark and all scheduled shore excursions will be operating as planned tomorrow. The cruise line said it's a nothing burger. Just. They're trying to turn this into alarmist sickness, potential pandemic type propaganda. Everyone's gonna be okay. I'm not buying any of this. I don't care that people are getting the stomach flu. They made their bed, now they're lying in it. And this is what I assume most cruises are like, people just getting sick. It's just like a petri dish. And the, the crazy thing is the cruise industry PR should be cooked right now with like hantavirus, neurovirus, not that it matters. The Disney cruise line with all the pedos like the cruise industry should be really not good right now. And I feel like they rely on people to come home and tell everyone that they had a good experience. That's what. Because the headlines are not matching the interest. And apparently the cruise industry is not experiencing any slowing down whatsoever. Cruise ship outbreaks fail to scare off travelers at a busy summer season. And this just blows my fricking mind because again, you could not pay me, could not pay me to go. And it says. Cruise industry experts say demand remains strong heading into the busy summer travel season, despite recent illnesses cases reported on several ships. The Cruise Lines International association recently projected that more than 38 million people worldwide will take ocean cruises this year. 38 million cruises are fun.
B
You gotta try it.
A
I don't think so.
B
Stay close to land and it's good.
A
I don't think so. So it's, it's up because last year 37.2 million people took cruises. Now it's 38. I'd be interested to see if this year of cruise line headlines makes it dip next year, will it go back down to 37.2 million? I don't know.
B
Only time will tell.
A
Only time will tell. They, they also interviewed a completely unbiased source. This is a cruise blogger, Jenny Fielding. This is an AP article. They, of course, they're like, would you ever go on a cruise again? It's her full time job to go on cruises. So she Sundays, I have eight cruises booked and I'll absolutely be booking another. And then cruise complete. CEO Bob Levenstein said that AP or told the AP that bookings through the company increased by more than 30% during the first half of May compared to the same period last year. So I wonder if those people just hadn't heard about the Honda yet or they really just don't care.
B
I think there's a huge don't care factor. It's a. Yeah, I feel like it's a very affordable vacation option these days.
A
Is it?
B
It's pretty affordable, like, especially if you're down, like near where the ports are. I mean it's kind of, you know, especially down here. We could go do a weekend and be back and.
A
Yeah. Where do cruises take off from?
B
Miami, I think Miami and then I think there's a couple ports in Fort Lauderdale for some of, you know, the different cruise lines.
A
So do you have to, like if you live, I mean, I guess you just have to fly. You have to fly to the cruise.
B
Correct. So I, my wife and I took one, an Alaskan cruise and we, it was out of Vancouver, so we flew up to Vancouver and got on the boat and then they boated on us on up to Alaska.
A
So was it nice weather?
B
A little bit. It was kind of like it was a little after season, so it was starting to get a little rainy. But it was like it was, you know, it was dreamy with the mountains and the clouds and felt nautical.
A
See, I am a tropical vacation girl through and through, unless it's historic and I'm going to Europe and I'm going to be sightseeing and doing museums and stuff, stuff like that. I need it to be hot. I need to be on a beach. So this is why this just doesn't seem real.
B
Quick chat. Put your favorite cruise destination for Haley so that she can see where the, the good cruises are.
A
People said, I guess these are the ports. Lauderdale, Tampa. Someone said, I prefer to go to the mountains. Western Caribbean is great. Been on four of them. But where do they go? You just go around the crib, like the Bahamas.
B
Somebody said Alaska.
A
That's what Is the. What is the.
B
So it's an easy way to get multiple islands. So, like, if you wanted to see, like, Turks and St. Thomas and the British Virgin Islands all in, like, one go round, you could. There's a cruise for that. There's a cruise for anything. You want to see Europe, there's a cruise for it.
A
Okay. People are saying Alaska Virgin Voyages. Bahamas, South Caribbean, St. Thomas, Belize, Alaska, Panama Canal, Galveston and New Orleans are cruise ports. Okay. Celebrity cruises are my favorite. Wow, there's a lot of cruise people in the chat. Barbados, Bahamas, Italy, Aruba, St. Thomas. I. I do love Aruba and St. Thomas, but, hey, I went there without a cruise. You can. You can go to these places without a cruise. San Juan, Grand Canyon.
B
The chat has spoken. Shout out to Grand Canyon guy. You win.
A
That was funny. Someone said, don't go on one, Haley. I will. I will stick to that. You don't got to tell me twice. Anyway, I. The last thing that I'll say here is that the World Health Organization is now warning about an Ebola outbreak. And this is what I'm saying, like, there's no Hanta updates, so they. They have to keep feeding you sickness slop, and they hope that you eat it up. Don't eat it up. Okay, so the World Health Organization's masks on declares global health emergency as Ebola outbreak in Congo and Uganda builds. And this is why we don't visit these places and then bring it back to the United States of America. But I digress. 300 people in Africa have gotten Ebola and 88 people have died so far. And do you remember the Ebola outbreak? I have air quotes. Outbreak in the United States.
B
When was that? Was that we were in college or.
A
I was in College. It was 2014.
B
Ah, what a great year.
A
Great year. But there were 11 people being treated for Ebola in the United States, and not even the people being treated, like, tested positive for it. It was like 11 people could have it. They were being monitored. Oh, yeah.
B
They got back from a trip, right?
A
And then there were four laboratory confirmed cases. Two people died. And this was panic like you wouldn't believe. This is why. This is why the government. I feel like they. They see how people freak out about this stuff, and then they. They know that we'll freak out. And this is why they. They don't tell us certain things, I think, because two people died. And I remember people were freaking out, and there was a meme going around saying that Kim Kardashian has had more husbands than there are people in this country who have died from Ebola, just to put into perspective. And I remember seeing that and being like, yeah, we have nothing to worry about. Kim Kardashian has married more people than have died from Ebola in the United States of Americ America. And, yeah, nothing to worry about. 88 is more than, you know, 3. But we have 0 here. So just a reminder, when when Ebola comes stateside, don't worry about it.
B
Modern medicine is a be.
A
Don't worry about it. All right. And on that note, we'll save scrolling. I keep doing this. I'll save scrolling time for tomorrow. Thank you for scrolling along with me today. I will see you right back here tomorrow. Make sure that you're subscribed. Make sure that you tell a friend and thank you.
Host: Hayley Caronia
Date: May 18, 2026
In this engaging episode, Hayley Caronia delivers her signature blend of conservative commentary, pop culture critique, and media analysis, centering the discussion around Spencer Pratt's unexpected run for Los Angeles mayor. The episode unpacks the intersection of politics, media manipulation, celebrity culture, and public panic in crisis situations, touching on hot-button subjects from the LA mayoral race to viral health scares. Hayley’s tone is sharp, irreverent, and candid, keeping the conversation both insightful and entertaining for listeners navigating modern headlines.
(00:55–18:48)
Main Candidates Highlighted:
Spencer Pratt’s Candidacy Origin:
Larger Issues in California Politics:
(13:00–19:08)
(19:08–29:14)
Chelsea Handler’s Video Critique of Pratt:
Candidate Nithya Raman’s Backyard BBQ Ban:
(32:35–36:38)
Left’s Efforts to Tie Pratt to Trump:
Pratt Reframing the Narrative:
(38:54–52:32)
Media’s Playbook for Health Panics:
Jake’s Hantavirus Cruise Videos:
General Critique of Cruise Industry and Panic Coverage:
(54:34–58:19)
(58:19–60:40)
On LA’s Political Villainy:
"Newsom gets away with murder all the time... Newsom is the real villain here." (05:30, Hayley)
On Media Attacks on Pratt:
"If this is the only thing they have on Spencer, they're screwed. And they know that they're screwed." (17:00, Hayley)
On Chelsea Handler:
"If there was a leftist reality TV star with no political experience running, I’m sure [Handler] would be all for it... If it’s Republican, it’s bad. If it’s liberal, it’s good." (22:36, Hayley)
Shane Gillis Roast (Pratt vs. Handler):
"Chelsea Handler went to dinner at Jeffrey Epstein’s house in 2010... There was like Prince Andrew and Woody Allen there. Anyway. Ladies and gentlemen, Chelsea Handler." (24:46, via Shane Gillis)
On Democrat Policy “Solutions”:
"Their knee jerk reaction is to blame the people and impose rules... No devastating wildfire has ever been started [by a barbecue]." (29:16, Hayley)
On Social Media Candidates:
"Spencer Pratt doesn’t need pricey campaigns... He just needs his phone, to be genuine, and to tell his story." (19:08, Hayley)
Media’s Viral Cycles:
"People naturally want to follow stories that have a conclusion. When there’s no immediate conclusion, people get bored..." (41:00, Hayley)
On Cruise Panic:
"You could not pay me, could not pay me to go [on a cruise]." (54:36, Hayley)
Hayley Caronia’s coverage is unapologetically conservative, sarcastic, and combative—unafraid to name political and media hypocrisy, call out performative outrage, or mock the panic cycles that define online culture. She champions Spencer Pratt’s campaign as a case study in modern grassroots political energy, propelled by personal narrative and direct social media engagement rather than establishment machinery or celebrity endorsements. The episode underscores the disconnect between media narratives and everyday realities, especially as it pertains to both politics and public health “emergencies.”
Listeners are left with a sense of the chaotic, soundbite-driven state of American discourse—and a healthy skepticism for the stories that dominate their feeds.