Vance’s Chicken Coop Under WaPo Microscope - Scrolling w/ Hayley (Ep. 354)

Summary

Scrolling with Hayley – Ep. 354

“Vance’s Chicken Coop Under WaPo Microscope”
Host: Hayley Caronia
Date: August 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and opinionated episode, Hayley Caronia delivers her daily round-up of political hot topics, viral videos, and cultural debates through a conservative lens—mixing snark, personal anecdotes, and sharp critique of the mainstream media and liberal activism. The headline scandal: the Washington Post’s investigative deep-dive into Vice President J.D. Vance’s family chicken coop. From there, Hayley pivots to cancel culture drama, woke viral clips, culture war skirmishes, generational workplace dynamics, and more, always with her trademark wit and unapologetic take-no-prisoners style.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. The Washington Post Investigates the Vance Family Chicken Coop

[00:00 – 10:21]

• Summary:
  Hayley launches with a mocking recount of the Washington Post’s story probing Vice President J.D. Vance’s backyard chicken coop. The segment satirizes the paper’s priorities—grilling whether the chickens are legal and what “political implications” clucking hens may have.

• Key Insights & Commentary:

  • Hayley highlights how the investigation “borders on parody,” emphasizing the mainstream media’s obsession with right-wing politicians’ trivialities.
  • The WaPo’s use of a “they/them pronoun” chicken keeper as a quoted expert draws particular scorn. Hayley reads the article’s more outlandish passages verbatim.
  • Quote:

    “I, for one, am really glad the Washington Post found a they/them with an emotional support chicken to weigh in on this massive blockbuster of a story.” – Hayley [05:36]

  • She ridicules the implications that keeping chickens is an ominous sign of ‘trad wife’ influence.
  • Co-host jestingly suggests Vance should declare his flock “emotional support chickens” to silence critics.

    “JD should just come out and say they're emotional support chickens. And then everybody would be like, ‘yep.’” – Co-host [06:23]

  • Hayley and chat commenters agree: No one in real America cares about this “scandal.”

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2. Cancel Culture Targets: Ashray Sisters & Guilt by Association

[10:22 – 18:51]

• Summary:
  The conversation moves to Usha Vance’s (the Second Lady) podcast featuring children’s author Jackie Ashray, whose career is chronically dogged by association with her controversial mother, Pamela Geller.

• Key Insights & Quotes:

  • Hayley details the Ashray sisters’ rise in podcasting and the cycle of attempted cancellation fueled by the left.
  • Jackie describes her book’s origins and wholesome camp nostalgia, with Hayley marveling at the left’s outrage over such innocuous content.
  • Hayley reacts to a viral clip accusing the Ashrays—and white women in general—of serial unaccountability:
  • Quote:

    “White women are born draped in this, like, cloak of interminable forgiveness, right? Like you owe these women forgiveness. The lesson is to be white and female is to be totally and utterly blameless. It's all really gross.” – Quoted liberal commentator [17:01]

  • Hayley counters, suggesting the outrage is less about justice than political tribalism.
  • She reads viewer comments—some surprisingly bipartisan—highlighting most people’s willingness to separate personal politics from enjoying pop culture.

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3. Activist Protest Tactics: Pots, Pans, and EDM Outside ICE Hotels

[21:20 – 25:17]

• Summary:
  Hayley reacts to a viral protest clip of leftist activists making noise outside an Ohio hotel rumored to house ICE agents.

• Key Points:

  • The protest is dismissed as ineffectual “annoyance, not activism.”
  • Hayley and co-host joke that ordinary travelers, not ICE agents, are likely to suffer most.
  • Quote:

    “Imagine your summer vacation is in Springfield, Ohio. You probably already want to off yourself and now you have libtards outside banging pots and pans … That's not going to make your stay any better.” – Hayley [24:14]

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4. Vegan Tries Meat, Is Moved to Tears

[25:57 – 27:34]

• Summary:
  The show plays a viral video of a vegan eating steak for the first time in 14 years and getting emotional.

• Hayley’s Take:

  • Amusement at performative “crying,” surprise over what she perceives as the obvious superiority of meat.
  • Links national debates on health, food choices, and “fatphobia.”
  • Quote:

    “I don't know why anyone would be missing out. I think everyone should eat meat. I think everyone should be a little fat-phobic also. Which brings me to this next video…” – Hayley [27:34]

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5. Fat-Phobia and the “Skinny Girl” Brand

[27:34 – 30:56]

• Summary:
  Hayley and co-host lampoon a clip denouncing the “Skinny Girl” brand as “one of the most fatphobic to ever exist.”

• Key Quotes and Reaction:

  • Hayley points out the contradiction in wanting “fatphobic” products to exist but be unprofitable.
  • Co-host jokes about hypothetical rival brands:

    “You could start a brand called ‘Hey, you, fat ass,’ but it’d have to be free.” – Co-host [30:24]

  • Hayley:

    “I think she rage baits on purpose… She’s just posting rage bait and I’m falling for it.” [30:54]

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6. Dating Preferences, Bisexuality, and the Accusation of Homophobia

[31:19 – 35:49]

• Summary:
  Hayley plays and dissects a TikTok where a woman claims not wanting to date bisexual men is inherently homophobic, equating it (badly) with racial discrimination.

• Commentary & Memorable Quotes:

  • Hayley and co-hosts push back sharply, defending people’s right to preferences in dating.
  • “Are straight men allowed to deny male advances, or is it just women who have to date gay men now?” – Hayley [34:07]
  • Critiques the “everyone must want everyone” logic and the confusion of “preference” with bigotry.

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7. Generational Divide: Labels, Identity, and Workplace Behaviors

a) “Queer” Without Definition

[35:49 – 37:22]

• Clip: Woman says, “I identify as queer.” Asked what that means: “I like people who are not men.”
• Hayley: “So you’re a lesbian?” “Well, I don’t know.”
  • Hayley sees this as emblematic of identity confusion and aversion to clear labels.

b) Piercings and the “Church of Body Modification”

[38:29 – 44:23]

• Story: Student teacher is rejected after requesting religious accommodation for facial piercings.
• Hayley & co-host note: Employers set dress codes; if you want a job, play by the rules.
• Co-host reads 1 Corinthians on honoring your body; Hayley notes not everyone shares Christian views, but social workplace norms still apply.

c) Tattoos Going Out of Style

[46:48]

• Conversation turns to celebrities removing tattoos, the cycling of trends, and Hayley’s personal (failed) piercing attempts.

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8. AI Job Interviews Are Here, and Hayley Hates Them

[48:51 – 52:41]

• Summary:
  Hayley reviews a viral video where a job applicant talks to an AI instead of a human interviewer.

• Opinions:

  • Strongly against AI interviews—sees them as dehumanizing and a red flag about company culture.
  • Quote:

    “If I ever sat down for a job interview and the interviewer was an AI bot, I would close out of it. ... This tells me that the company thinks of their employees as numbers.” – Hayley [49:57]

  • Co-host: “Interviewing sucks... Interviewing is the absolute worst. If I show up and it's an AI, I think I'd bail.”

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9. Generational Workplace Culture: The Office Light Wars

[52:41 – 59:38]

• Summary:
  Viral debate: Millennial insists on overhead lights, Gen Z covers lights with parchment paper for “vibes.”

• Key Takes:

  • Hayley sees it as emblematic: Older generations accept the way things are; younger ones feel empowered to ask “Why?” or demand comfort.
  • Co-host: “It's Sheila who's been there 20 years. She decides if the lights are on.”
  • Hayley: “There is an aspect to that where it’s like, you're annoying... Not everything has to be tailored to your comfort all the time.”

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10. “To Recline or Not to Recline”: Another Airplane Etiquette War

[59:44 – 63:38]

• Summary:
  TikTok mom asks if it’s wrong to recline your seat in front of a parent with a baby. Hayley’s take:
  • The seats barely recline—it’s not a big deal.
  • People should be able to ask seatmates for consideration, but “the world owes you nothing.”
  • Co-host: “I just would fold so quick… absolutely, whatever.”

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Hayley, on the chicken coop investigation:

  “This is the most ridiculous part of the story. ... People pay for this crap.” [05:36]

• On protesters outside the ICE hotel:

  “These are annoying people doing what they do best. They're just being a menace to society.” [22:02]

• On fatphobia and Skinny Girl products:

  “She’s just posting rage bait and I’m falling for it.” [30:54]

• On AI job interviews:

  “If I ever sat down for a job interview and the interviewer was an AI bot, I would close out of it.” [49:57]

• On office lighting wars:

  “It’s Sheila who’s been there 20 years. She decides if the lights are on.” – Co-host [57:07]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Washington Post & Chicken Coop – [00:00–10:21]
• Podcast, Cancel Culture & Ashray Sisters – [10:22–18:51]
• Activist ICE Hotel Protest – [21:20–25:17]
• Vegan Tries Meat – [25:57–27:34]
• Skinny Girl & Fatphobia – [27:34–30:56]
• Dating Bisexual Men Debate – [31:19–35:49]
• Labels, Queerness, and Generational Identity – [35:49–37:22]
• Student Teaching, Piercings, and “Church of Body Modification” – [38:29–44:23]
• AI Job Interviews – [48:51–52:41]
• Office Lighting: Millennial vs Gen Z – [54:09–59:38]
• Airplane Reclining Debate – [59:44–63:38]

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Recurring Themes

• Media hypocrisy & misplaced priorities
• Cancel culture and the left’s purity spirals
• Conservative frustration at generational and cultural shifts
• Absurdities of modern viral content
• Pushback on “woke” identity and workplace trends
• Conservative humor, sarcasm, and refusal to take certain controversies seriously

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Tone & Style

• Language: Conversational, direct, sarcastic, and peppered with pop-culture references.
• Approach: Hayley’s tone is both playful and combative—mixing biting humor with moments of genuine bewilderment or frustration at the culture wars and the left.

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Who Should Listen

This episode is perfect for listeners interested in conservative media, culture war skirmishes, and viral trend analysis, all served with a dose of irreverence and a refusal to accept the dominant media narrative at face value. Whether you’re a political junkie or just want a contrarian, entertaining take on the news, Hayley delivers a scroll-worthy roundup.

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Transcript

[Haley Carania]

Hello and welcome to Scrolling With Haley. On this Wednesday afternoon, the Vance family has installed a chicken coop complete with six chickens. And have no fear, the Washington Post is here to get to the bottom of it. And then a vegan cries at the taste of meat again. Welcome back. The water's fine. Honestly, I could not imagine being vegan. But this little video that I have for you will show you what it's like to wake up and come back to the good side. And liberal activists attempt to terrorize ICE agents with pots, pans and a We are Charlie Kirk, edm, rem. They've come so far from lighting cities on fire, haven't they? All of that and more coming up on this episode of Scrolling With Haley. But first, subscribe to the show. If you haven't already. Please do whatever platform you're listening or watching on subscribe rumble.com Haley is where you can watch this show live Monday to Friday at noon Eastern. It's also where you can catch Vince at 8 and I hope you do. And Sean Farish coming soon later this month. Very excited about that. But I don't care how you watch or listen, all I care about is that you tell a friend. So if you're watching right now, so share this link share it to your Instagram story. If you share it to social media, I will repost it. How about that? And I also want you to subscribe and follow and support our sponsors like Earn House. Every week that passes brings another expense. School supplies, holidays, travel, Christmas gifts. It all adds up. And the good news is there's still time to get ahead of those costs by picking up a side hustle that actually fits your life. With Earn House, use your spare time by completing paid surveys from companies that value your opinion. And it's totally free to sign up and all on your own time. The best part? You see the time and the dollar reward up front. So it's real money, no points, tokens or per 10 bucks. 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And we're the Washington Post trying to get to the bottom. Yes, yes. Look at all those chickens. Look at all those chickens. And this is the Washington Post story. Real story. I'm not joking. Real story. This is it. The Vance has added a chicken coop to the Vice President's residence. We had questions. Well, thank goodness someone's asking the hard questions. What would we do without the Washington Post? Democracy would surely die without them shedding light on this very necessary story. So here are some of the questions that the Washington Post had. So who exactly will be raising the hens? And why are the Vances taking on this project? For eggs? For educational purposes? For feathered pets. A spokesman for Vance did not respond to multiple emails seeking comment. I can't imagine why. Maybe the spokesman for the Vance family is a little busy with requests that are less. Maybe they're laughing at this request. This so called journalist, Tim Carmen. He apparently does food stuff for the Washington Post. And whoever handles their press, they're probably in an office somewhere in D.C. saying, Can you imagine that? The Washington Post food reporter emailed us again about the chicken coop. As if there aren't pressing things happening in the country, in the world that they could actually ask about. No. The Washington Post is concerned about a chicken cooperation. So this is how they continue on. In this article, the Washington Post turned to former and current backyard chicken keepers to gather insights on what may be going on at number one Observatory Circle. This is so ridiculous. We also talked to the guy who built the pricey coupe. We even checked with a city official to discuss whether the Vances are following the proper protocols to raise hens here in Washington. Wow, someone give this journalist a Pulitzer. This is the most ridiculous part of the story. The addition has led to some speculation that there may be political motivations behind the flock's appearance. It's a theory that resonates with Danny Bowers, who keeps 19 chickens on a suburban property in Utah County, Utah. Bowers, who uses they them pronouns, points out that some conservatives have embraced the values espoused by trad wife influencers, many of whom raise chickens. Bowers the Utah chicken keeper, thinks of their hens, especially a bearded white silky bantam named Karen, almost as emotional support animals. When Bowers is having a particularly bad day, they suffer chronic pain from several autoimmune disorders. They will cuddle up with Karen. This is a real quote from this article. This is a real article. This is the Washington Post. This is a real quote. And this is behind a paywall. People pay for this crap. I, for one, am really glad that the Washington Post found a they them with an emotional support chicken to weigh in on this massive blockbuster of a story. And the they them chicken expert surely wasn't influenced by conservative trad wives on Instagram, but he thinks that the Vances are. He thinks that the reason the Vances have a chicken coop is because they're on Instagram and they're following the Nara Smiths of the world and, you know, the ballerina farms of the world. And they're like, you know what? I should.

[Conservative Commentator]

That's.

[Haley Carania]

That's what the vice president is doing and his and his lovely wife Usha, that's what they're doing. They're on Instagram and they're like, let's get chickens. Ballerina farm has chickens. Let's get chickens. I mean, this is seriously what this they them thinks.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

JD should just come out and say they're emotional support chickens. And then everybody would be like, y.

[Haley Carania]

They should. Or be like, yes. We were scrolling on Instagram and we got this idea from some trad wife. Exactly. Obviously, not everyone who has chickens in their backyards was influenced to do so on social media. I know a ton of people who've been doing this for years. This is nothing new. And this isn't because of trad wives. And of course, farmers are rolling their eyes. They've been doing this for, you know, their whole lives. It's been in their family. This has been their family business. And, you know, you have this they them. Like, I don't even know this they them chicken expert. I mean, it's just ridiculous. Now to the burning question on everyone's minds, Quote, is it legal to raise chickens in D.C. yes, but chicken keepers must meet some requirements before the city will issue them a permit. And every coupe in Washington must be located at least 50ft from a building used for human habitation. According to regulations, a hen house and run must also be at least 250ft from any property line. Or failing that, the owners must get written permission from all neighbors located within 100ft of their property line. Something tells me that where the Vances live in the second family. I don't think they have neighbors up on their, on their behinds. I think they have more than 100ft in between them and their neighbor. Anyway, have no fear. The Washington Post journalist is, is getting to the bottom of this quote. I tried to confirm the regulations with a few people at DC Health. No one returned my calls or responded to my emails. This journalist is getting left unread. Everywhere he goes, trying to write this story, he's like, damn it, I'm trying to get a statement from someone and no one will give it to me. Maybe because you're ridiculous. But one city official said D.C. regulations don't typically apply to federal property. And he spoke on the condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to talk to the media. But locals don't follow the rules either. The official said, I know we have plenty of people in the city that are raising chickens on properties that don't meet the requirements. Exactly. These kinds of requirements are for people whose neighbors just want to get them on something. Similarly, the Washington Post just wants to get the Trump administration on something, right? I mean, they couldn't get them on all those felony charges. They couldn't get them on the Epstein stuff. They couldn't get them on the Russia gate. They couldn't get. I mean, name a hoax. They couldn't get Trump, right? And now they're going to the Vance family. They're trying to dig up all these skeletons or whatever. Now they're. They're digging in the chicken coop. And this is the chicken coop. Gorgeous chicken coop, by the way.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Looks like it passes a lot of these regulations.

[Haley Carania]

I don't see any buildings 100ft away. It's probably in line with the original architecture. So they're, you know, everything is. Looks up to code to me. I mean, it looks. It looks beautiful. And like I said, this is the most beautiful chicken coop I've ever seen in my life. But the Washington Post is mad, of course, so they're thinking, okay, let's make sure that the Vance family has the right permits to have chickens, you know, and if they don't, we're going to expose this massive misstep. And would the American people really care if the Vance family didn't have a permit for this? You can tell me in the chat if you think that you would care, like, if you found out that the Vance family had a, an illegal chicken coop on the property, would you give one rip? Because I know I wouldn't. But this is the kind of thing that gives the left more ammo for their tds. Like, they're always looking for something to get mad at. So I guess illegal chickens, like the. This is really. They'll be mad at anything. So, yep. People in the chat are saying, nope, don't care. I could give a rat's ass. Exactly. And someone else in the chat said, no, wouldn't change my day. I could live in that chicken coop. I agree. It's gorgeous. Hell no. Nope. Who cares?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It looks like a swanky golf simulator.

[Haley Carania]

It does. I mean, it. It. It's gorgeous. It really is gorgeous. And the purpose of the media used to be to hold media and government to account right where it matters, exposing real corruption and crime. And when there isn't any, they're left grasping at straws. And in this case, chicken, chicken coop, chicken wire. This is what they're grasping at. And speaking of the second family, the second lady of the United States, Usha Vance, had a podcaster, Jackie Ashre, as a guest promoting her children's book. And Jackie Ashrae is one of Pamela Geller's daughters. So if you haven't heard of her, she's a very popular podcast host with her sister. And I became aware of their mother, Pamela Geller, because she was an outspoken critic of the mosque that Muslims wanted to build at Ground Zero in Manhattan where 911 took place. And this was one of the news stories that made me realize I was conservative. I've told this story on the show before. I won't bore you to tears if you've already heard it, but when I was in college, I got red pilled real big. I got that red pill. And it was specifically because I was taking a lot of media courses and we were learning about media bias. And I realized very quickly that I was on the right side of things. And I thought, well, I don't want to work at one of these leftist news organizations. And this is how I ended up working at Fox and Newsmax and the like. So, long story short, but Pamela Geller was so outspoken against this Muslim takeover decades ago, and because of that, she became a target of radical Islamic terrorists. They put a fatwa out on her and her family. And at the same time, her daughters, Jackie Ashray and Claudia Ashray, two of her daughters, went on to start one of the most successful podcasts for women, which used to be called the Morning Breath. It was like a YouTube show, I think, that they were doing with Yahoo at the time. And then they rebranded it and it was called the Morning Toast. And now they dropped the morning, and it's just the toast. And that's sort of what people have shortened it to over the years. So they ran with that. And they cover pop culture mostly. They're very funny. They don't talk about politics much, really, at all. But because of who their mom is, the radical left attempts to cancel them every few months, it seems. They say something on their podcast that gets the left all riled up, and then the cancel culture brigade comes for them yet again. And the sad part is, their father passed away when they were younger, and their mother is their only remaining parent. And the left wants them to disown their own mother. They always ask, you know, why haven't you disavowed your mom? Why haven't you distanced yourself from her and her beliefs? And because it's their mom, you know, I guess, like the left, they really have no qualms about just cutting people off from their life if they think differently than them, even that if it's their own blood. And again, I've dealt with this not in terms of family. I haven't had anyone in my family cut me off, but I've had friends cut me off. And, you know, this is the kind of mentality that the left has. They don't really care. They don't want to support anyone that doesn't believe the same things that they do. They want to live in this echo chamber. It's totally absurd. But these two girls, Jackie Ashrae and Claudia Ashray, have had their old tweets dug up, and with every attempt to cancel them, they just come back stronger. So Jackie Ashre accepted the invitation to join the Second Lady's podcast to promote her children's book, the Camper and the Counselor. And it was as wholesome as you'd expect.

[Jackie Ashrae]

Watch.

[Jackie Ashrae (continued)]

Tell us a little bit about the book that you brought today. Yes. So this is my book, the Camper and the Counselor. I wrote this book, actually, when I was pregnant with my first son. All four of us sisters growing up went to summer camp. We went to sleepaway camp, and it was one of the best experiences ever. But one morning at camp, my youngest sister came dressed for the day, and she looked like such a counselor. So I started calling her Counselor Snitch because her nickname in our family is Snitch. And it just became this running joke and little story that carried on for months afterwards. I would always call her Counselor Snitch. I was, you know, the fictitious camper, and she was the counselor. And so when I was pregnant, I knew I wanted to put the story into a children's book. So I wrote the first draft and then really edited it and honed it while my son was a baby. And I would read him versions of it and we would tinker with it. So how did your son help you write this story? Did he give you feedback?

[Haley Carania]

If he looked a little bored?

[Jackie Ashrae (continued)]

If he looked a little bored, or if the rhyme didn't hit quite right, I'm like, you're right about that. He was able to, like, finish the rhymes, which is what's so great about rhyming books. That's when I knew. I'm like, this is a winner. So what did you love best about summer camp? I loved the feeling of independence that I had at summer camp, while also knowing that I was cocooned by friends and even family because I went with my sisters. And I love doing new things. I feel like that's where I discovered so many hobbies. I got really into horseback riding when I went to camp, and that was something I might not have tried if I didn't go to camp. I love the camaraderie of being in a bunk with your friends. Did you miss your parents? I did miss my parents a lot, but I loved writing letters. I back home, and I loved receiving letters. Our son is actually going to his first sleepaway camp, and he's very excited. He's going for a week.

[Haley Carania]

It's with Cub Scouts.

[Jackie Ashrae (continued)]

And I'm very nervous because I think I'm going to miss him so much. I know that's how I feel now as a parent.

[Haley Carania]

So I'm already planning all the letters

[Jackie Ashrae (continued)]

that I'm going to write to him and exactly when I have to send them to make sure he gets one every day.

[Haley Carania]

Okay, so what is there to hate about this? This is one of the most wholesome conversations I've ever seen. This is a podcast, obviously, for moms and parents who want to read to their kids. And what's the issue here? They didn't get into anything political. They're talking about summer camp. And this is a book that any kid that's going to camp could appreciate. And yet the Cancel Culture mob has decided that even being remotely associated with this administration is supposed to be a career ender. Listen to this reaction. Watch the belief that where you choose to promote your products or your platform matters and is indicative of the type

[Jackie Ashrae]

of values that you want your followers.

[Haley Carania]

Followers do have and show what you have. And Jackie o' Shea from the Toast podcast, it just did a podcast with usha Vance, the second lady who's married to J.D. vance, if you don't know, advertising her

[Jackie Ashrae]

new book and promoting her new book on Usha's podcast.

[Haley Carania]

And I just think people need to

[Jackie Ashrae]

remember that when they go watch her podcast.

[Conservative Commentator]

White women will not be canceled. Toast edition. White women refuse to be cancelled. They're like literally uncancellable. But that, that is something I want to try and rectify. I'm a little embarrassed to admit this, but I used to be a breather. I used to watch the morning breath every single day. This was like back in 2016. Thought it was amazing until the great cancellation of 2018. That year, Taylor Lorenz published an expose of sorts in the Daily Beast in which she cataloged all of the myriad horror, offensive tweets and memes the sisters had either promulgated themselves or had supported Miller. Lorenz also revealed something that had been like a well kept secret, which is the identity of their mother. Their mother is an alt right Trump acolyte who's like, incredibly Islamophobic. The article revealed, among other things, that the sisters had tweeted horribly offensive Islamophobic things about President Obama and taxicab drivers. The lesson to the larger and general public is that white women can do whatever they want. The lesson becomes that white women don't have to be held accountable. They don't have to take responsibility for anything. The lesson is that white women are born draped in this, like, cloak of interminable forgiveness, right? Like you owe these women forgiveness. The lesson is to be white and to be female is to be totally and utterly blameless. It's all really gross. Like, how can you even function with all of that privilege? All right, bye.

[Haley Carania]

It always comes back to race with these people. It comes back to race. It comes back to being a woman. And it's so exhausting to, to listen to this and also, you know, she's saying their mom is this Islamophobe. I think if radical Islamic terrorists wanted to kill me and my whole family, I wouldn't think too kindly of the radical Islamic terrorists either. So call me crazy, but yeah, I would be an Islamophobe as well. But here's what people were saying in the comment section. I remember watching Alex Cooper's interview with Kamala Harris thinking, wow, what an amazing opportunity for Alex. And I just watched clips of Jackie's book promotion on Usha's podcast and I thought, wow, what an amazing opportunity for Jackie. And that's on not being blinded by your declared political affiliations, being able to function in a bipartisan democracy. This is how most normal people think.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Think.

[Haley Carania]

When I saw that Alex Cooper had Kamala Harris on, I thought, okay, wouldn't be my first choice as a podcast guest. But again, as a liberal, I could understand that. Having Kamala Harris on your podcast would be a cool feat, right? That would be an achievement and accomplishment, and I can appreciate that. For someone else, that would be like me having Donald Trump on my podcast, that would be a feat. That would be an accomplishment. So to this commenter's point, yeah, for Jackie to go and speak with the second lady, this is an honor, so why would you turn it down? Right? And someone else said this. Conservatives will listen to any musician or podcast they like, no matter who they voted for. Liberals will cancel them if they don't agree. That's the difference. And again, not everything has to be political. And then someone commented this. She's always been conservative. I'm liberal, but I still enjoy the toast, and people are allowed to have opinions. I've actually never heard that said from a liberal, which is why I included that comment, because it was very refreshing to see. Usually liberals say, if you're conservative, I can't support you. I can't listen to your podcast. I can't. You know, so this person's probably not very liberal. They're probably more middle of the road, independent. If I had to guess, maybe they're just, like, left. Their center left. But I included that because, wow. I guess there are some people who are common sense, not idiots who. Who can't accept the fact that someone would have a different viewpoint than them and go on a podcast that they. That they align with. So accepting an invitation to the White House or. Or anything to do with a member of the second family or the first family, no matter who's in office, is an honor. If Kamala Harris invited me to the White House, I would go. And I didn't like Kamala Harris, and I didn't vote for her. But if Kamala Harris invited me to the White House, I would go. And maybe if Doug Emhoff had a reading podcast for kids, Jackie might have gone. But he didn't. This opportunity arose during the Trump administration, and it would be dumb to pass it up. So I'm glad that she accepted the invitation, and I'm glad that every time the critics come for these sisters, they persevere and they don't let it get to them. Jackie had to have known that this would trigger the liberals and maybe piss off some of her remaining liberal listeners. And she weighed the odds, and she chose to go anyway, which I appreciate. This next video, though, also highlights the difference between the left and the right. The left has a lot of time to protest.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

We.

[Haley Carania]

We're at work. So we don't have. We don't have the extra time on our hands to do this kind of stuff. But le Leftist activists think that they're saving the world when they bang pots and pans at hotels that they think ICE agents are staying at like this. So this is in front of a Hampton Inn in Suites somewhere in central Ohio, and there's been some ICE activity in Ohio. There's been ICE activity really everywhere. But they're doing Operation Buckeye, and they're doing operations like this in every state. I mean, there's ICE agents everywhere and, you know, they have to do their jobs whether the left likes it or not. So. But I know that there's some activity going on in Springfield, Ohio, where, of course, you may remember famously during the presidential debate when Donald Trump said, they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats. Speaking of the Haitian migrants who were quite literally eating dogs and cats and walking around with animals, and people were having their pets go missing, which was true, but then the media just didn't want to report on it. So there's some reporting that ICE has issued letters to Haitian migrants who are illegal. They are here illegally to basically deport, to self deport, and they are self deporting. So this was going on in Ohio. Not sure where. Um, I don't think this was in Springfield, Ohio, but maybe it's somewhere else in Ohio. And this is not a form of protest. Um, sitting outside of a hotel and making noise is not effective. It's annoying. These are annoying people doing what they do best. They're just being a menace to society. And is that any way to affect change in your community? You can dislike ice. You know, you're allowed to dislike ice, but how is this protest doing anything? You're just annoying. You're going viral on social media because you're annoying. And people think it's funny because you're playing some Charlie Kirk remix song or whatever and you're looking stupid and you're causing chaos and imagine you're not an ICE agent. Where do they even get this? Like, I, I tried to look it up. This is probably in, like, these dark web circles where liberals and activists, they go meet up and figure out where they're going to go wreak havoc next. But, like, how do they know where ICE agents are sleeping? They don't know that it's not like it's publicly available. So, you know, so they're stalking them.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah. It's somebody who sees an ICE agent walk into a hotel, puts in a telegram and then chat and then spreads and.

[Haley Carania]

Yep.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And it's probably just a guy who has like icy like the drink T shirt on and they messed it up and now they've ruined the day for millions of people. As if being in Columbus, Ohio isn't enough.

[Haley Carania]

Was just going to say that. Imagine your. Your summer vacation is in Springfield, Ohio. You probably already want to off yourself and now you have libtards outside banging pots and pans and, you know, broadcasting. We are Charlie Kirk EDM remix. Like that's not going to make your stay any better.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Just some guy on the phone to his wife. I'm. I'm here in Columbus, Ohio. I don't think things could get worse.

[Haley Carania]

Seriously.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Actually, they did go.

[Haley Carania]

Or you're on a work. You're on a work trip. Could you imagine calling back home? This is the worst work trip ever where I can't sleep. You know. And they're not ICE agents. They're just like some dude that works in accounting or something and he's. He's on a work trip. I mean, this is the reality that they think that they're affecting change and they're not. So way to go, liberals. Also, if this were ICE agents at the hotel, obviously the whole hotel is not full of ICE agents, so they know that they're being annoying to everyone. So who's there? They don't care.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

But you're compl complying by staying at the same hotel. That is your plight for being even near an ice age. Right.

[Haley Carania]

You're complicit. What do they say? You're complicit. You're, you know, whatever, you're adjacent. I think most ICE agents are pretty tough, don't you think? They can run on little sleep. I think of ICE agents and police officers and military. I mean, they can withstand things that the average person cannot. Much stronger.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I'd also venture to say this got broken up pretty quick. I don't see how.

[Haley Carania]

Because it's a noise violation. Yeah, it's noise pollution, actually. If I was. If I was in that hotel, and I'm not a Karen, but I would probably complain if I wanted to sleep.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh, that night's comped immediately.

[Haley Carania]

Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. Now this one. I know you've been looking forward to this video. This is a vegan trying meat for the first time in years and she is brought to tears. Watch. I've been vegan for 14 years. Today is a day. I got a little steak killer.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I'm more nervous than you are.

[Haley Carania]

It looks really raw.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It's almost done. Smell good at least.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Guys.

[Haley Carania]

I'm really nervous. Don't smell good.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Is that too rare? Water?

[Haley Carania]

You're asking me too many questions right now. I think it's perfectly cooked. Guys. 14 years.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You're shaking.

[Conservative Commentator]

I feel like I want to cry.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Don't eat it then.

[Conservative Commentator]

But I want to.

[Haley Carania]

I'll eat it.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Why are you crying?

[Conservative Commentator]

I have a ptsd. People said bad things to me because I was vegan.

[Haley Carania]

Doesn't make sense.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It tastes really good.

[Haley Carania]

She's crying.

[Conservative Commentator]

Want to.

[Haley Carania]

I just don't know how to do it.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

No. No.

[Haley Carania]

Are you okay? It tastes so good. Really? Imagine the life you could have had eating steak this whole time.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

She cries for a long time. At the very end she goes. I can't believe I waited all these years and missed out on all this.

[Haley Carania]

Yeah. I don't know why anyone would be missing out. I think everyone should eat meat. I think everyone should be a little fat phobic also. Which brings me to this next video. Because it keeps you healthy. And this body positive influencer has a problem with Bethany Frankel's Skinny Girl brand. Watch this grocery store and would you look at this? One of the most fat phobic brands to ever exist. And again it's okay to have these types of options, but it's not okay to perpetuate and profit off of fat phobia. So that's. That doesn't make sense. Play the video again. Hold on. There's a contradiction there. Listen to this grocery store and would

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

you look at this?

[Haley Carania]

One of the most fat phobic brands to ever exist. And again, it's okay to have these types of options, but it's not okay to perpetuate and profit off of fellow. Yeah, it's okay to have these products but you can't profit off of them. The products can exist but you can't make money off of them.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Huh.

[Haley Carania]

So which one is it? You're allowed to have fat phobic products, but you can't. You can't sell them. I. I don't understand her logic behind that.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I just picture somebody really taking advantage of that and creating a product called something like Fatty mcfat Fat super slim drink like you see in a comedy movie. But it's free so we're allowed to put that front and center.

[Haley Carania]

But if Skinny Girl was a non profit and they didn't take any profits. Would she be okay with it? No, she has a problem with it being called skinny. And she's assuming that Skinny girl is inherently fat phobic. The target audience for Skinny Girl is women. Women who are watching their weight. And like I said, I think everyone should watch their weight. Everyone needs to watch their weight. If you're fat. If you're skinny. If you're skinny, you might want to put weight on. It depends. It depends on the person.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I've had some skinny girl products, salads, dressing. It's okay, I guess.

[Haley Carania]

Well, you know, how good can your salad dressing be if it's 5 calories, right?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

There's no in between with salad dressing. Fun fact. It's either an insane amount of calories and sugar and. Or it's like it's bare bones water with a little bit of ranch seasoning. There's no in between.

[Haley Carania]

So for me, personally, I don't mind a tangy salad dressing. There is nothing better than just like a little lemon wedge on top of a salad. Lemon, olive oil, a little mustard, red wine vinegar that mixed together. Salt, pepper, garlic powder, whatever. That's a great. I could drink that. That is a salad dressing I could have all the time. Is it Caesar? Do I want that on my Caesar?

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

No.

[Haley Carania]

But you can make very healthy salad dressings that are not high in calorie.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

For sure. It's the diet protein ranch at Publix.

[Haley Carania]

Someone in the chat said, oh, wait, it just went away. Oh, yeah, it's here. Would she buy a brand called hey, you, fat ass? And people were like, okay, that's what I'm saying. You start a brand. Biggie.

[Conservative Commentator]

Big. Big, big.

[Haley Carania]

You started a brand, Big girl. Like, what the heck? I think. And I think we've played her videos before. I think she rage baits on purpose. I think she might have been the same girl that said Weight Watchers was also fat phobic. So she's just posting rage bait and I'm falling for it.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It's fun. I like it. Good.

[Haley Carania]

Funny. It's funny.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah.

[Haley Carania]

And I think she should go to Weight Watchers sign up, and I think she should. Again, this isn't me being mean. I care about this woman's health. I think she should go to Weight Watchers. I think she should try some skinny girl salad dressings. It might do her some good. All right. A debate has been heating up on TikTok, and it's whether or not women should be open to dating bisexual men. Listen to this.

[Jackie Ashrae]

Not dating a man just because he's bi is 1000% homophobic. And I'm gonna break that down. First off, I need to address the really common response that women give where it's just like, I'm not allowed to have preferences. So women are allowed to say no. You're taking away their autonomy, which is the stupidest thing. Actually, the easiest way to break it down is like a history lesson. If you go back to segregation and all of the racism towards black people, where people would say, well, I just don't want to be around a black person. I just think that white people and black, like, that's my preference. I don't want to be friends with a black person. Why was that preference not respected, Quote, unquote? Why was it not okay for white people to say no? And the answer is, if you look at black people, when you look at white people, when it comes to friendship, the only actual difference you can distinguish between making that choice is their race. You can't make any assumptions on who they are, what they're like. You're making that choice based off race. And because race doesn't actually make any difference in friendship, that's racist. So when someone says, I have a preference, I like people with brown hair instead of black hair when dating, that does actually make a difference in terms of physical attraction, who you're looking at. So it's not shamed on because, oh, if you just are attracted someone with black hair, it's not a meaningless choice. It's a choice that has some tendency to change your actual attraction to a person. And so that brings us to dating a bi man or not wanting to date a bi man. And the issue if you tie it back to, like, racism and all of that, is that it shouldn't have a difference in who this person is at fault. And the problem is that you are viewing being bi as a trait the same way you're viewing having a different color hair. And it seems like something you can just choose and be like, I'm just not attracted to it. But. But it actually makes no sense because you could line up a straight man and then a bi man, but they're the exact same people. Like, clone the two people and they would be the exact same act the same, talk, the same, look, the same. The only difference is that they are bi, is that their preference is men. And that's why choosing not to date a bi man is homophobic, because it's that same thing where your preference is at the root because of their sexuality, and it has no other impact on the person itself itself. Because every claim or rebuttal made by

[Haley Carania]

people just saying, you get it. This is one of the dumbest videos I've ever seen in my life. Also, someone in the chat said that there's no such thing as bi men, only gay men. And I will say one of my friends who's a lesbian told me the exact same thing. She says, I don't believe in bisexuality. I think you're just. You're gay or you're straight. But other people in the community would say that it's a spectrum. And like, one day you could be this and one day you could be that.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

So the comments she said were, if you put a straight guy and a bi guy, you wouldn't be able to tell them apart. Except for when you marry the bi guy and he decides he doesn't like women anymore.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Right.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And now you've just married a gay man who left you.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Right.

[Haley Carania]

And this happens to people so often. Yeah, but women are just supposed to, like, sit down and shut up and marry gay men. And like, here's my question. Are straight men allowed to deny male advances? Or it just. Is it just women who have to date gay men now? Or, like, is she hearing herself? It's just women who have to. It's. It's homophobic if women don't want to date gay men. And do the bi men even want to date straight women anyway? Don't you.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Too many. I have too many equations going on in my head.

[Haley Carania]

Don't you have to date someone who is also by. And if you're okay with them being bi, like, you're on some sort of a spectrum.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

All I know.

[Haley Carania]

Sexuality spectrum is.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Throwing it back to segregation is probably not the argument to go.

[Haley Carania]

Probably not. And yeah, she said

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

that.

[Haley Carania]

Yeah, she's like, turned this into a race thing. And she said, you know, well, if you say, I don't want to hang out with black people, that's the same thing as saying, I don't want to date gay men. That's not the same thing. You're allowed to be friends with whoever you want. And certainly when it comes to romantic partners, you should be physically attracted to them. And it's okay to not be attracted to everyone. This is why, you know, people don't go and date everyone.

[Jackie Ashrae (continued)]

You.

[Haley Carania]

You pick one person that you like and you marry them, ideally. And I feel like what this girl is saying is that essentially everyone should want to get with everyone in the name of inclusivity. They used to call these kinds of people easy and now it's. It's inclusive. They're inclusive and woke. And these people don't even really know what they're attracted to. Anyway, take. Take a look at this one.

[Conservative Commentator]

Are you a lesbian?

[Haley Carania]

I identify as queer.

[Jackie Ashrae (continued)]

What does that mean?

[Haley Carania]

I guess I like people who are not men. You like people that are what? We're not men. Again, Non men, which are women?

[Conservative Commentator]

Yeah, I mean, do you date male people?

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I don't. I don't know.

[Haley Carania]

She doesn't really know anything. She doesn't really know. She doesn't know what it means to. What does she say? Can you play that again?

[Conservative Commentator]

Are you a lesbian?

[Haley Carania]

I identify as queer. What does that mean? I guess I like people who are not men. You like people that are what? We're not men, I guess. Non men, which are women.

[Conservative Commentator]

Yeah, I mean, you date male people.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I don't. I don't know.

[Haley Carania]

She doesn't know what she dates. How can you. How do you not. How do you answer that question like that if you don't know who you're dating? You got to start paying attention. Or maybe she's just not dating anyone and that's fine too. But just say that she says that she's queer. What does that mean? I like people who are not men. Okay, so women. So you're a lesbian. Well, I don't know. They're like a very afraid of labels. It's bizarre. It's okay to have labels. It doesn't make you a bad person. You could say that you're straight. You're allowed to be straight. It doesn't mean you're a horrible person.

[Conservative Commentator]

It.

[Haley Carania]

It's okay to be straight and white. You're not a horrible person. It's okay to be straight and white and conservative. You're not a horrible person. You can date who you're attracted to. It's okay. You don't have to date gay men if you don't want to. We're all allowed to do whatever we want to do in the confines of the law. So if you want to date someone, go for it. If they want to date you back, great. That's all it takes. Consent. And for it to be legal. Date who you want. To put parameters on it and restrictions on it is weird. But to be so afraid of labels is also weird. Wasn't that delicious?

[Conservative Commentator]

So good.

[Haley Carania]

Your bill, ladies. I got it.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

No, I got it.

[Haley Carania]

Seriously, I insist. I assisted first.

[Conservative Commentator]

Oh, don't be silly.

[Haley Carania]

You don't be silly. People with the Wells Fargo active cash

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

credit card prefer to pay because they earn a unlimited 2% cash rewards on purchases.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Okay.

[Haley Carania]

Rock, paper, scissors for it. Rock, paper, scissors. Shoot.

[Conservative Commentator]

No.

[Haley Carania]

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[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Visit Wells Fargo.com ActiveCash Terms apply now

[Haley Carania]

this woman, she had a student teacher job but she got canned because of her piercings. And now she's crying on the Internet about it.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Watch.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

This shit's so fucking embarrassing. I'm supposed to be student teaching at my local school district. Supposed to be. And I put in accommodation request for my piercings because there's certain piercings that I can't put a retainer in because they're hard to find and or don't exist or they cause physical pain. Like this one causes physical pain because just because of the way it was pierced. So I thought I would just find like, like a black thing that'll make it look like a mole. Same with these two. And then the septum, I just flipped up these, I just put in the clear retainers. This I can't find a retainer to. So I asked for these accommodations and I tell them like, yeah, my piercings are very spiritual to me. It helps me feel connected to my ancestry and the culture and my indigenous ancestry. And also there it like they are intensely spiritual for me. When I got my nozzle on, for example, that was an intensely spiritual experience. And if I took it out, I would feel like disconnected from, from it. Even when I take it out to change or clean, I feel disconnected. It just, I, I did everything right, right. I write my personal statement, I explained the meaning and everything. I, I put my religious affiliation with like the Church of Body Modification and, and how I practice and everything. And, and then I, I also recommend and say that, oh well, I could also just wear a face mask to complete my student teaching. And, and they just wouldn't budge. Like there was no discussion, no duh.

[Haley Carania]

The Church of Body Modification. The Church of Body Modification. Never heard of it. Never heard of it. I saw someone in the chat say, it's never the I want to have a job look. They can never pull that one off. It's always I want to look as weird as possible. I want to flaunt my every, I want to make my personality something that I can wear. Right? These are all things that you should be able to put aside for your job. You're only at your job for a few hours and you're teaching children so maybe they don't want to be scared looking at you in all of your piercings.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I did full time music for like all through college. When I wasn't at school and then after college for five years.

[Haley Carania]

So what did you look like then?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I had silver hair. I had silver hair and I maintained my silver hair. Did I want to do some crazy stuff and get a bunch of tattoos or. I was really into like the SoundCloud rap scene where it was like all face tattoos. But in the back of my mind I thought, hey, eventually this is going to come to an end and you're going to have to sit in front of a person who's interviewing you. And if you have young Trap Lord tattooed across your eyeballs, it's probably not going to go great.

[Haley Carania]

And then you interviewed for a job at Silverlock and you were like, let me have a hair color that's found in nature. So I don't scare these people because conservatives are normal and I need to fit in for a little bit. This is Andrew. This is Andrew outing himself as a crazy person. A crazy colored hair, something.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You can't just be a default white guy, dj, musician. You have to have a little bit of something, well, pizzazz.

[Haley Carania]

But then you came here and you had to cosplay as a normal person to. To get the job.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I'm a. I'm a secret. That's what it is. I'm undercover.

[Haley Carania]

Yeah, right. Yeah, right.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Can I make a point real fast?

[Haley Carania]

Yes, you. Yes, you may.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

The church of Bible speaking. Yes. The church of body modification. I am. I am taken back by that very much. And I don't want to make it super spiritual right now, but I do want to quote First Corinthians 16 or 6, 19, 20, which says, do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own. You are bought at a price. Therefore, glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's. Well, basically the implications of that teaching is that you are to respect. You're to have respect for your body. Your body is viewed as sacred and is deserving of care and honor. So.

[Haley Carania]

Well, I agree with that. You agree with that. We all agree with that. But this girl doesn't go to church. She goes to the church of body modification. So what does her scripture say?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

That's a first.

[Haley Carania]

That's what I'm saying.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I don't know what Bible she's reading out of. If that's not.

[Haley Carania]

She's not.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You could call that a Bible, but.

[Haley Carania]

And that's the thing. This is the point. These people want to live in an alternate Reality. I'm not saying you ha. She doesn't have to be Christian. I hope everyone's Christian. I hope everyone comes home one day. I do. I want that. But I. If this person doesn't want to go to church, that's fine. But she says, well, this is. This connects me to my spirituality and my ancestors. Therefore, I need to have piercings in. You don't. You don't need to have piercings in. If you want to have piercings in. And. And you can find a job that will allow that. But this specific student teaching job that she wanted requires you to look like a normal person. So therefore, it's not a good match. If you want your job and you want to keep your job, you play by their rules. If you don't want to play by their rules, you can either get dropped like she did, or she can walk away and find any other job that allows her to look like a freak.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You could teach music maybe at a after school thing.

[Haley Carania]

Sure, sure. I. Okay. So I worked at Abercrombie. We talked about this. I worked at Abercrombie when I was in college during Christmas break.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Did you have a nose ring?

[Conservative Commentator]

No.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You didn't get a nose ring in college?

[Haley Carania]

No.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Not even like a little hoop? I almost got. I almost got a stud. It was so Chance the Rapper had one. It was so cool.

[Haley Carania]

Well, if Chance the Rapper had. Has one, then, you know, I saw Regina George wearing army pants and flip flops, so I had to wear army pants and flip flops.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

There you go. Anyway, add Abercrombie.

[Haley Carania]

No, I. I ever. I have one ear piercing. I tried in college to get a few. I tried to get a piercing here and here, and I ended up this. This is probably TMI and no one wants to hear this, but it is kind of funny. So my mom gave me diamond earrings that I did not want to lose. So I put them on really, really tight because I didn't want them to fall out. And my ear, exactly where this grew over the earring. It was stuck in my ear. My ear just. My ear grew over it. I had to get it surgically removed.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Nice.

[Haley Carania]

They gave me multiple shots of novocaine to the side of my face. I couldn't feel it. And they had to rip my earring out of my ear. It. It became we. I became one with the earring. It was part of my body.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Nice.

[Haley Carania]

So then I got an. After that whole debacle, I got a. Whatever they call this, I even forget what it's called, but a piercing up on the top part of my ear, same thing happened. And when I went back to the doctor to get that removed, they were like, why don't you just cool it on the piercings? Like, you're probably not a good candidate for this if we have to keep pulling your. Your earrings out of your ears. And I said, yeah, you're right. So these give me no issues. These are my only piercings and that's fine. I'm not going to try to put one in my nose and have that grow. You know, it's just. I'm good, I'm good. I. And I don't want any tattoos. I've never wanted tattoos. I don't mind them on other people. I'm not like, unattracted to them. But for me personally, there is nothing that I would want on my body permanently.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It's kind of gone out. I mean, not a ton, but it's a little. It's starting to go a little out of style. But it's also cooler to have no tattoos, is it.

[Haley Carania]

Has it flip.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It's starting to make a little bit of a. Who knows? Maybe I'm talking out of my.

[Haley Carania]

I see a lot of content of people removing their tattoos.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Correct. There's been a. Pete Davidson got a lot of his tattoos. A lot of the celebrity class are removing their tattoos. So it's kind of coming back into style to be clean cut.

[Jackie Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Well, grats, you did it.

[Haley Carania]

I just was ahead of the curve. I was just always clean cut. Well, I tried to have a little rebellious moment with my earrings, but my body said no. My body said, you're just. You're meant to have one normal ear piercing anyway. So long story short, that's my piercing story and why I have no tattoos. And I will never. But this is, you know, when it comes to job interviews nowadays, it really only. Oh, I forgot to say why I brought up the Abercrombie thing. I just, I brought it up and then I realized I didn't finish the story. They said you must wear normal colored nail polish. No blue, no green, no yellow, no orange. Like natural. Like what I have right now. Natural nail color, pinks, red's fine, but nothing crazy. And again, I agreed to work for this store. So I play by their rules. That was my point. If they have a. A set of rules laid out for their employees and they want to maintain a specific look for their employees at Abercrombie is certainly more to maintain a certain vibe and a look than it is to, you know, teach children. But you don't want to scare children. And my point was, if your job gives you a list of, you know, parameters, you fall within those parameters or you get axed. So she got axed. But in terms of job interviews, you go in, you want to put your best foot forward. You don't want to have silver hair and a septum piercing like. Like Andrew and his. In his back of the day, in his emo phase, but you want to put your best foot forward. And how is that possible when jobs are having AI conduct interviews on behalf of the company? Watch this.

[Conservative Commentator]

Great.

[Jackie Ashrae]

Thank you.

[Haley Carania]

First question. Are you artificial intelligence?

[Jackie Ashrae]

Just have to ask this.

[Haley Carania]

Due to the increase in AIs joining interviews.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Wait, what? You're asking me if I'm artificial intelligence? Are you artificial intelligence?

[Haley Carania]

I'm not an artificial intelligence. I'm a human hiring manager here to

[Jackie Ashrae (continued)]

get to know me better.

[Haley Carania]

Let's keep going. How did you find out about this job and what attracted you to apply?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Wait, what? You're telling me you're a human?

[Jackie Ashrae]

I understand it can feel a bit

[Haley Carania]

unusual, but I'm a real person conducting this interview. I'm glad we can clear that.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

No, that's not unusual. It's typically a human.

[Haley Carania]

Thanks for confirming. I'm impressed with your application. And you interviewed Wong. How did you find out about this

[Jackie Ashrae]

position and what interested you most?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh, well, I found it from Wonderin AI. That's what helped me to basically find this and just apply automatically and tailor my applications.

[Jackie Ashrae]

That's great to hear.

[Haley Carania]

It sounds like Wonderin AI was a

[Jackie Ashrae]

helpful tool for you.

[Haley Carania]

I'm also curious, are you available to start on Monday? Okay, so obviously this is an ad for some AI company, but this is a reality for people who are starting new jobs. There are people going to med school who are being interviewed by AI. This is some sort of thing that companies are doing to kind of bypass the first round of interviews. Like, I'm sure a human would step in at some point to hire someone, maybe in a second round or third round interview. But this is supposed to weed out certain people. And I. This is completely disqualifying in my opinion. If I ever sat down for a job interview and the interviewer was an AI bot, I would close out of it. And I would just say, this is not a good fit for me. I probably wouldn't even thank the company. If you're. If you've been in the job search recently, you know that on the. On the application end, you can send in application after application, after application. You never hear back. And for Whatever reason, companies, they just don't want to extend that courtesy of letting you know, hey, we got your application. This isn't a good fit. They just leave you in limbo forever and ever and ever, which is so rude. And I see people online complaining about this system all the time. And then companies have the audacity to take out another human level to this where there's just absolutely no humanity at all. They don't care. This tells me that the company thinks of their employees as numbers and that is it. They are a bottom line, they are a salary. They are not human.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

If I tried. Interviewing sucks. We've had this conversation before. Interviewing is the absolute worst. Yeah, I show up and it's an AI person. I, I mean, depending on how desperate I am for a job, I think I would bail. That's so disrespectful.

[Haley Carania]

Yeah, it's absolutely disrespectful. And I unfortunately think that this is the future. We keep seeing companies do this. I think the more videos that are posted of people naming and shaming the companies that are using AI to interview their candidates or potential candidates, I think maybe can companies will course correct and they'll think, okay, this is not landing well. People don't like the AI interview aspect. I guess we'll have to hire a human. I guess we're going to have to have someone physically in HR that handles interviews just like you know, we've always done. And if it isn't broke, let's not fix it.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Even for a screening call like that would tick me off so much. If I picked up the phone and it's an automate automated voice. Tell me about your background. Why do you think you'd be a good fit for that? Have Sam in HR give me a call. They're a recruiter sending an A. That one drives me crazy.

[Haley Carania]

And would the candidate put their best foot forward if they were responding to these automated questions? I wouldn't, I would be totally thrown off. I wouldn't feel like myself. And like you said, it's already nerve wracking enough to go to a job interview and then you're being thrown off by having to talk to a robot. How would I, how would I put my best foot forward? I wouldn't. I absolutely wouldn't. So anyway, I think this is the future and it's an unfortunate side effect of just this AI world that we're entering into. I think AI can be great and then there are companies that use it in the wrong avenues and I think, you know, we just have to be smart about where and how we're using AI. This certainly is not smart. And this next debate, we're going to get into this, I think, because you say that you like this, but this is a debate between coworkers who. Who are from different generations. This is a millennial versus a Gen Z. Watch this. It says pov. Your millennial coworker likes the lights on, but you're Gen Z and don't. So this woman is standing on her desk and she's putting up some kind of. I don't even know what that is. Like wax paper, parchment paper, it looks like, to cover the light so that it's not shining on her desk. Is there something else connecting it? I. I don't know how she's doing this.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

She stuck it in the ceiling tile, something like that.

[Haley Carania]

So what's your take on this? Andrew's sitting in the dark.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

So, yeah, that's.

[Haley Carania]

Andrew's sitting in the dark, and I'm sitting in the bright light.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I want the vibes, guy. I want the vibe to be good. Even when I worked in a corporate office, I loved when I'd get in early and work in the dark. I hate fluorescent lights.

[Haley Carania]

I do, too.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Now when the older. It was the older people. When the older people in the office get in and they flip all the lights on and you get like, flashbanged. I'm not going to say anything, but if I wasn't at my desk, I was probably down. We. There were, like, some work space areas that were darker, and I would usually go set up there.

[Haley Carania]

It's interesting that it seems to be a generational thing. I think in generations past, they never questioned the way that things are. It was like, you go to work, the lights are on, you know, And I feel like younger generations are going into the workforce and it's like, but why does it have to be this way? You know, they're questioning the status quo, and that's also okay. But I do think so. I think there's a generational divide there. But I wonder if there's a generational divide and a reason for why younger people don't like the lights on. Or is it just because older people never thought that they could question the system?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I think it's a little bit of both. I do. I have worked with younger, like, Gen Xers. It gets to a point where you're sort of asking them, okay, do you have to question why we show up to work at 9? Like, come on. There's a certain amount of that. The lights Though I think the office can be moody. I. Why do, why does it have to be fluorescence? Why can't it be dimmable LEDs, right.

[Haley Carania]

In today's age, I guess it's probably stemming from more corporate culture where they, they have these companies that are paying big rents and they're in these sky high built and it's just they, it

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

comes where it comes.

[Haley Carania]

Fluorescent lighting. Right. But I think with younger companies and newer employees and managers, millennials who are becoming managers now, it's like, okay, well maybe let's do something different. You have to sit here in this office for however many hours a day. Let's make this a little more palatable for people and a little more comfortable. But where does this go into the comfort culture debate that I have where not everything has to be tailored to your comfort all the time. You're. It's okay to go to work and sit in fluorescent lighting. You will survive. There is an aspect to that where it's like you're annoying. The lights are on, but they're not going to kill you. Like just do your fricking job. Right? So to go to that length and to get out your parchment paper and stand on your desk and tape it to. To me, that's annoying.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Now I'm like reeling through my head. Who decides though? Is it Sheila who's been there? It. It's Sheila. It's Sheila who's been there 20 years. She decides if the lights are on. What am I saying?

[Jackie Ashrae (continued)]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Bringing the parchment paper is ridiculous.

[Haley Carania]

I think it's worth a conversation though. If your neighbor is got this fluorescent lighting on and it's bothering you, you're allowed to ask and say, hey, would you mind if we turned this off and used smaller lights? This is a huge. The lighting thing. I see this on Tik Tok a lot. Again, this is a generational thing. Younger people are really getting like red pilled by.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I mean, I hate little light. I hate big lights. Like in our household, the overs do not come on. We have lamps. We have, we have lamps. I don't.

[Haley Carania]

Lamps, candles.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You know, I'm very much against like the bedroom fan light. Never at the office. I'm. You're paying my bills. I don't. I'll do whatever.

[Haley Carania]

Right.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I have to work in pitch black. I'll figure it out.

[Haley Carania]

I also think there's something to be said for working in the dark and what impact that has on your health,

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

your eye health, drowsy and sleepy and all that. Right.

[Haley Carania]

And here's the thing. You have to stare at this damaging blue light anyway. So does it matter if you're staring at damaging blue light under fluorescent light or if you're in the dark, are your eyes being strained that much more if you're in the dark again, you can adjust the color temperature on your devices if you want. You can, you can, you can adjust the brightness level so you're not necessarily straining your eyes if you can tailor it to what you want.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

For sure. I've been really lucky. I've also worked at a lot of places that have had really big windows. So you can leave the lights off for that crowd.

[Haley Carania]

And you're not in the dark.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, you're not in the, you're not in the absolute dark.

[Haley Carania]

Yeah, when I'm at home, I don't turn any big lights on.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I don't like trying to create like a teepee that she is over there. That feels ridiculous.

[Haley Carania]

It is ridiculous. And when I saw this, I was immediately not on her side. I thought, you're annoying. You're doing this because it's almost selfish to think of yourself rather than the collective. You're going to turn the light, you're, you're not going to ask to turn the light off. You're going to try to compromise with your neighbor and then put up this apparatus on top, which is even more distracting. I feel like I would if I was the millennial co worker next to the Gen Z and I saw this thing being built next to me. I'd be eye rolling.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I'd be eye rolling or I'd fold. And that's how people win, how the

[Haley Carania]

right just be annoying.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Be annoying.

[Haley Carania]

I guess this is a, this is another debate. We'll do one last one. So we could fight about this, but this is an airplane debate which we've talked about before. You know, I love my airplane chaos stories and my airplane debate stories, but this woman is asking about to recline or not to recline thoughts on the person in front of you putting their seat back on a one hour flight when you have a six month old baby on your lap. So that's the question. To recline or not to recline. Is the person in front of this mom the a hole immediately? No. In my opinion, you're allowed to recline on the seat. You are allowed to recline because what you seem shocked with the baby on her lap? I don't look who's behind me.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I'm saying all she has to do is say, hey, I have my 6 month year old as a lap child. Can you not donk him on the head with your chair, please. And I feel like problem resolved.

[Haley Carania]

The mom can recline. No one's stopping the mom from reclining. People get mad. People get mad because the person in front of them reclines and they don't want to. Okay, you could fix that. And you. It's like, you're like this, but you're like this.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, it lays your. Your back. Back, but it doesn't change the position of your lap where the child.

[Haley Carania]

It's also. This debate is so frustrating to me because people are acting like plane seats actually recline. They don't recline enough, in my opinion. Airplane seats recline, and it's like that, and people are complaining about it. It's so, like, you're soft.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I had one guy one time, I was trying to do some work, and he kept pushing back and it would close my lap.

[Haley Carania]

Oh, that's annoying.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I just closed my laptop.

[Haley Carania]

Yeah, it's like, well, I'm not working.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, I'm really bad at confrontation.

[Haley Carania]

I never get good work done on an airplane anyway. Partly because I don't want people looking at my laptop and seeing what I'm working on. Not that people care, but some people are kind of nosy, and I work on some sensitive topics.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh, I. I very much snoop on what people are writing on.

[Haley Carania]

So when I'm, you know, if I'm working on this show and I'm talking about politics and whatnot, and I'm writing and doing research, I don't really want them up in my business. And certainly, like, I'm writing a book right now, and it's a sensitive topic, so I don't want people looking at my business. Basically, I would have to get a screen. What are they called? Screen protectors.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, I think that.

[Haley Carania]

Privacy screen.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Privacy screen. And even then, those are so annoying.

[Haley Carania]

It's annoying. So I just choose not to work on airplanes. But, yeah, to that. I mean, again, all of these TikToks, you don't need. You don't need to post a TikTok. You could just, like you said, ask the person in front of you, hey, would you mind? I have this situation. But just be prepared for people on airplanes to say, no, I don't care about you and your baby. If someone asked me, hey, I have a baby, of course I would unrecline the chair. I would. But I think people are getting a little ridiculous. It's not like the seat is reclining that much. You can get over it. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I also feel like I'm in the minority where I. I just would fold so quick. Yeah, absolutely. Whatever. I. I'm not looking for confrontation. I think more people are looking for confrontation in this world.

[Haley Carania]

Agreed.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Than aren't.

[Haley Carania]

And they're looking to go on TikTok and find, you know, 60,000 people that find this video and agree with them and make them feel like the cool queen, you know, that's what this is all about. It's really. It's about attention. It's about a conversation starter, which, again, we're having the conversation right now. So we fall into the rage bait every time on this show. But I just think it's really not that big of a deal. Someone in the chat said, I never fly. And on that note, you know, you never have to deal with people. You. You never have to deal with anything, really. If you never. If you don't download social media, you don't leave your house, you can eliminate a lot of problems in life.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You won. You beat the game.

[Haley Carania]

You never have to deal with airplane chaos if you never fly. So on that note, thank you for scrolling along with me today. We've got I even some more videos that we didn't get to today, so that I guess we'll do on tomorrow or Friday.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It's gonna be a good week.

[Haley Carania]

It's a good week.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Tune in every day.

[Haley Carania]

You gotta.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Haley's bringing heat.

[Haley Carania]

You gotta.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And you should watch live ON Rumble, rumble, rumble dot com.

[Haley Carania]

Rumble.com Haley. And you can follow me on social media at Haley Carania. I'll see you tomorrow.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Bye.

[Haley Carania]

Mic Drop. Hosted by former Navy SEAL Mike Ridley.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

What is your take? Was it what you expected? The best thing ever?

[Haley Carania]

It was something I always wanted to do.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

If you show me a clear goal, I'm like, okay, I can do that, Master Chief. He's like, you realize there's about 1% chance of you making it through. 1%. That's all I need. Master Chief. My platoon went home early, and I just went up to my chief and I was like, I'm not going home. Turns out I'm staying.

[Haley Carania]

That's when we go to war.

[Conservative Commentator]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I was like, okay, I could get used to this.

[Haley Carania]

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