We’re Always Being Watched - Scrolling w/ Hayley (Ep. 340)

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Scrolling with Hayley

Episode 340: “We’re Always Being Watched”
Host: Hayley Caronia
Date: July 16, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Hayley Caronia tackles America's growing sense of being surveilled, both digitally and physically. From the widespread rollout of AI-powered Flock cameras to unsettling stories of technology “glitches” and data privacy lapses, Hayley explores the diminishing borders of personal privacy in everyday life. She also dives into the ethical challenges of modern family-building, discussing a Canadian surrogacy lawsuit and the emotional fallout of egg donation. With her characteristic wit and unapologetically conservative lens, Hayley urges listeners to consider the hidden costs of technological “progress” and the moral quandaries now entwined with personal identity, parenting, and daily life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Flock Cameras & the Surveillance Debate

Timestamps: 03:15–13:35

• Introduction to Flock Cameras:
  Private company Flock Safety operates a network of license plate-recognizing surveillance cameras across U.S. neighborhoods, tracking car data and location, with recordings stored for 30 days.

  • "They're security cameras that are owned by a private company called Flock Safety. And Flock Safety had a contract with the LAPD and other police departments across the nation... the devices capture your vehicle, the make, the model, the color, the license plate and it pings your location and then stores that information for 30 days." (04:04, Hayley)

• Criticisms and Concerns:

  • Potential misuse by law enforcement or company insiders (e.g., tracking spouses or enemies).

  • Absence of legislative oversight and public consent.

  • "Who has consented to this private company tracking you? Nobody." (06:44, Hayley)

  • “If the technology can be used for good, that's great. It can also be used for bad. That's sort of the truth of life.” (07:04, Hayley)

  • "If you own a car, you're now being tracked, if I could put it plainly, for committing the sin of going to work. This information is shared city to city and even state to state without a warrant. There's no legislation governing this technology." (08:00, Ex-cop Noel Pichado)

• Hayley's Perspective:
  Hayley acknowledges the unnerving loss of privacy but points out that surveillance is now an inescapable facet of modern public life.

  • "I assume I'm being tracked. Right. To think that we're not being tracked all the time is naive." (09:52, Hayley)

• Comparison to Other Technologies:

  • Ring cameras, Amazon Alexa, and location tracking on phones—Hayley connects Flock to a greater context of digital surveillance.
  • "I think we live in this Big Brother type Society where we really don't have privacy. We have the illusion of privacy, but no one lives privately." (11:37, Hayley)

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2. Tech Glitches & Erosion of Digital Privacy

Timestamps: 13:35–24:48

• Bluetooth Glitches & Accidental Eavesdropping:

  • Viral story of a vibration plate with Bluetooth picking up strangers' conversations.

  • Smart devices (“smart toothbrushes,” plugs, etc.) are increasingly linked to potential privacy breaches.

  • "We don't need vibration plates with Bluetooth connection. There's actually no need for that...But I feel like nowadays, every machine, every device, there is a way to connect to your phone." (16:35, Hayley)

  • "My toothbrush...has Bluetooth, and it tracks my cleaning and how often I clean and, like, where in my mouth I clean..." (17:17, Co-host)

• Device Hacking Fears:

  • Multiple TikTok tales of people hearing strangers through their devices, or alleged hacking of phone cameras and microphones.

  • "Like, someone hacked into my phone. And I hear, like, typing, like, clicking and poking. Like someone's, like, typing. And I hear breathing. And I hear a man..." (18:22, TikToker)

• Hayley's POV on Tech Dependence:

  • Sympathizes with the desire for convenience but warns of the "cost"—our own privacy.

  • "Everything is digital now...We are going to be more instances where our privacy is at risk." (18:18, Hayley)

  • "There is a cost for everything. This is the cost. Your privacy is the cost." (24:48, Hayley)

• Memorable Quote:

  • "Your plasma is never going to DM you on Instagram and say, are you my mom?" (55:01, Hayley)

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3. “Invisible String Theory” & Public Photography

Timestamps: 24:48–31:06

• Viral Story:

  • Family on vacation discovers their old photo as wall art in a random Airbnb.

  • Raises issues about consent and ownership in public photography.

  • “This family is on their vacation. They have no idea that they're being photographed... and the Airbnb host happened to use the photo that they happened to be in.” (26:00, Hayley)

  • “If you're using this... do you have to let these people know? Because then this is in someone's home.” (30:04, Hayley)

• Ethical/Legal Issues:

  • Discussion about what constitutes sufficient anonymity or need for release forms.

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4. Dating in an AI World: The Future of Matchmaking

Timestamps: 31:06–43:21

• Introduction to Overtone:

  • Hinge founder Justin McLeod’s new project, Overtone, will use AI to facilitate dating by eliminating traditional swiping and matching steps.

  • “He says the dating app is unhuman and the way to make it more human is to bypass all of those steps and offload them onto AI. How does that make it any more human?” (33:44, Hayley)

• Concerns Raised:

  • Risks of letting AI “play God” in intimate decision-making.

  • Fear of a potential “Black Mirror”-style future where algorithms determine all human relationships.

  • "Who the fuck are they to decide that? I don't like that this is being taken from me. This is my life and my dating life... I'm gonna offload that onto some chatbot." (39:24, Hayley)

  • "You is... does the world go up in arms over AI picking their partners if it does a good job?" (33:51, Co-host)

• Reflection on Modern Dating:

  • Hayley, sympathetic to online dating as a means of connection in a time of isolation, remains skeptical about removing human agency from romantic decisions.

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5. Surrogacy, Egg Donation & the Ethics of Commodifying Life

Timestamps: 43:49–55:13

• Canadian Surrogacy Lawsuit:

  • Same-sex couple sues surrogate for refusing to abort over a cleft lip diagnosis.

  • Couple seeks $600,000 damages, raising ethical questions of parental entitlement and the boundaries of bodily autonomy.

  • “Could you imagine that this, this two year old son, by the way, is going to grow up one day and is going to be a 20 year old man and maybe he sees this headline and realizes that it's his parents...I would feel so just cast aside.” (44:56, Hayley)

• Khloe Kardashian Surrogacy Clip:

  • The Kardashians' realization of ethical and control-related issues in surrogacy dramatizes the emotional and moral pitfalls in treating pregnancy as a transaction.

  • “I really did not put two and two together. That that means she has the control whether she would want to, you know, terminate the twin. Me not having control over that outcome makes me very nervous.” (49:58, Khloe Kardashian)

  • "It's all about control, and it's all about comfort." (50:54, Hayley)

• Hayley’s Moral Stand:

  • Argues surrogacy is “always wrong” because it commodifies women and children.

  • Differentiates surrogacy from adoption, positing adoption as a more ethical solution for child welfare.

  • "Babies should not be transactions." (45:59, Hayley)

  • "There is no ethical way to pay someone to give birth for you." (45:43, Hayley)

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6. The Pain of Egg Donation and Family Identity

Timestamps: 55:13–End

• Egg Donor & Longing for Connection:

  • A woman who sold her eggs is contacted by her biological daughter, to whom she responds coldly, reinforcing Hayley's view that selling human life leads to deep hurt.

  • “Egg donation is a confidential, anonymous business transaction. I signed my parental rights away at 19 years ago, and I am not your mother.” (Egg Donor, 55:48)

• Lasting Impact:

  • "There's a humanity in all of this that people are missing, and I think these stories highlight that..." (59:40, Hayley)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Flock Cameras:

  • "To think that we're not being tracked all the time is naive." (09:52, Hayley)

• On Tech Convenience vs. Privacy:

  • "We don't need vibration plates with Bluetooth connection. There's actually no need for that." (16:35, Hayley)
  • "Your plasma is never going to DM you on Instagram and say, are you my mom?" (55:01, Hayley)

• On Surrogacy and Parental Rights:

  • "There is no ethical way to pay someone to give birth for you. There's no way for emotions to not get in the way of this transaction. Babies should not be transactions." (45:59, Hayley)

• On AI Dating:

  • "Who the fuck are they to decide that?... I'm gonna offload that onto some chatbot." (39:24, Hayley)

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Segment Timestamps

| Topic | Timestamps | |---------------------------------------------|--------------| | Hangover/Banter & Show Outline | 00:00–03:11 | | Flock Cameras & Surveillance | 03:11–13:35 | | Tech Glitches & Accidental Eavesdropping | 13:35–24:48 | | Airbnb/Invisible String Theory | 24:48–31:06 | | AI Dating & Overtone | 31:06–43:21 | | Surrogacy Lawsuit & Kardashians | 43:49–54:15 | | Egg Donation Heartbreak/Wrap-Up | 55:13–End |

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Final Thoughts

With wry humor and earnest concern, Hayley confronts the uncomfortable trade-offs society now faces: surveillance for safety, convenience at the cost of privacy, and the monetization of deeply personal aspects of life like dating, pregnancy, and even genetic heritage. Her central message is clear: every technological advance carries a human price, and we must weigh these hidden costs with eyes wide open.

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Transcript

[A]

Welcome into the show. This is Scrolling with Haley. I'm Haley Karenia. Someone in the chat just asked if Haley has a hangover from partying last night.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I'll let you all. I'll let you all guess if you think I'm hungover today. I have my water bottle in hand. I'm not feeling so hot. And honestly, if the show ends early, you know why. We were just talking about it though. Honestly, this is how you know you're 32. Andrew said you only had one glass of wine last night. I said yes, I had one glass of wine and two seltzers. The sip margs. So I had three drinks. But they're all, you know, 5% alcohol. I drank them over I don't know what four hours we were. We were five hours.

[C]

Long time. And then throw on top of that water.

[A]

I drank water.

[C]

Chocolate cake. At least I had a lot of chocolate cake. I don't know about you. I did twice.

[A]

I had two slices of chocolate cake yesterday. That also doesn't make you feel good. Yeah, but I don't think eating well. No, it's.

[C]

I think it's a combo. It's like the. The concoction you create.

[A]

I was going to say you can't get hungover from eating chocolate cake, but you kind of can. It's a different kind of hangover, but you kind of can. So that mixed with the three drinks that I had last night. Yeah. This is 32. Yes. This is too much for me and I don't feel great. So yes, that's your answer. Let's talk about what we're talking about on the show today, shall we? America is divided over a lot of things. And flock cameras are the latest debate. When does surveillance go too far? And a surrogate protects the life growing inside of her and a same sex couple who hired her is suing over it. So inside all the ethical dilemmas that come with selling your body and paying for a baby. Plus Donald J. Trump international airport is official and the libs are mad. What else is new? All that and so much more on this episode of Scrolling with Haley. But first I want to tell you to subscribe to the show rumble.com Haley is where you can watch the show live Monday to Friday at noon eastern. And I hope that you do. And I already know that there's so many people in the chat that that tune in every day and I'm so grateful. So thank you and thank you for all the birthday wishes yesterday. It was so sweet. And if you can't catch us live. That's totally fine. You can watch however or whenever you want. I. I don't discriminate. All I say is that you tell a friend. So tell a friend and support our sponsors like Fatty 15. Did you know that helping older Navy dolphins unlocked a secret to healthier aging for all of us? I'm excited to share C15 from fatty15, the first emerging essential fatty acid discovered in more than 90 years. When we don't have enough C15, our cells can become fragile and age faster. To help fix that, Dr. Spent over a decade developing the pure circumstances science back C15 found in fatty 15. It helps repair cellular damage and supports sleep, cognitive health, metabolism and energy. Personally, since adding Fatty 15, I've noticed better sleep and steadier energy. Fatty 15 was developed to help support healthy aging for all from kids to parents to grandparents. That's why award winning fatty 15 is now available as Pure Capsules. Delicious Apple Mint Gummies for teens and adults, and Yummy Berry Blast Gummies for kids.

[B]

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[D]

Watch.

[E]

That's a security cam. That right there is a flock cam.

[A]

Fully support the use of flock cameras. I think it'll reduce, not reduce crime.

[E]

The Flock cam is AI photographing and remembering. It will take pictures and videos of your of your vehicle. Right. And it'll log you at this time at this place. Blah blah, blah, blah. The Flock cam goes sub private company. I think it's 90,000 nationwide and 9,000 a DFW. Those little guys watch you and tag you everywhere you go. So it just tagged me now though I don't have a license plate, it's still going to put me down in memory in this spot. So now when I go over to the next cameras, which we're going to go a little ways in, those cameras will ping me as well. And then this private company is going to know I was here and went to there and was pointing at their cameras clock safety 247 recording. So see, they're getting you when you come in, they're getting you when you leave. Also the website that we're using just to look up the cameras. The owner of these cameras, the dude that owns the company, he tried to say that it was terrorism, that us knowing where these cameras are on a website is terrorism.

[A]

And then unfortunately there's terroristic organizations like

[F]

D. Flock whose primary motivation is chaos.

[A]

They are closer to antifa than they are anything else.

[E]

On what planet is us knowing where these companies cameras are that are logging our everyday lives?

[C]

This CEO may be the most dangerous hypocrite in America.

[A]

He runs Flock, an AI mass surveillance company that offers AI that can help cops locate cars and people. Built on a network of over 80,000

[G]

cameras spread across 49 states in the US as well.

[A]

Have you guys, have you guys seen these cameras? Because I have, but I didn't know that they were Flock cameras. I've seen them and I thought that they were just tracking my speed, but I never really looked into what they were.

[C]

I've seen them at the front of neighborhoods that don't. Down here everything's gated, right? Usually. So they have like a gate guard most neighborhoods that aren't gated. I've seen these outside the front entrance and I thought that they were put there by the hoa, which I guess they were, but I. I don't know where I thought that stuff was going.

[A]

Yeah. So people in the chat are saying yep, yep, yep. Flock very interested in Flock. Yeah. So people are figuring out, you know, what this company or they're trying to figure out what this company is up to. And the. Now that the contract that the LAPD had with Flock came to an end, now the LAPD is questioning whether or not they want to continue. And critics are saying they shouldn't because of privacy concerns. And the LAPD is essentially saying, yes, we agree that there are privacy concerns, because who has consented to this private company tracking you? Nobody. And also critics have mentioned that there is this potential for this data being misused. You know, what if people at the company or people at police departments use this data to track their ex or their spouse or, or anyone for that matter, their enemy. And if the technology can be used for good, that's great. It can also be used for bad. That's bad. That's sort of the truth of life. And a former Rhode island police officer is now speaking out against these cameras and he claims he was fired over it. Watch.

[F]

Hello, everyone. My name is Noel Pichado. I'm a ex cop here in the state of Rhode Island. I'm regrettably an ex police officer is part of the reason why I'm doing one of the strangest things I've ever done, which is talking in front of a camera in order to inform you all about a concerning trend that's been steadily rising in my state and other states across the country. So to put it bluntly, you know, if you own a car, you're now being tracked, if I could put it plainly, for committing the sin of going to work. This information is shared city to city and even state to state without a warrant. There's no legislation governing this technology. Well, specifically referring to my state, which doesn't have any legislation governing this technology, even though it's been in use for about four years now. And if you're still watching this video, I'm assuming your temper is starting to flare up because it's probably the first time you're hearing about this, which I think is the worst thing about this, in my opinion, is that you, the American citizen, was never notified. Who cares what I want? I suppose if you're still watching this video, what do you want? I assume it's the same thing I want, which is to have these cameras taken down or have an intelligent conversation about them at the very least, which wasn't afforded to us before. We were just assumed to submit and go along with whatever our local governments decided. But what do I want right now? What I want right now is very simple. I just want you, the public, to know that these cameras exist and that they were put up without your consent. And I'm a trust you guys to do the rest with that information. I think us trying to focus on who to blame and whose job we're going to try to take away or what have you, I don't think that's going to be useful. So I say we Just forgive them. And we just focus on what's really important right here, which is getting these silly cameras down and so we can move on with our lives.

[A]

Okay, so concerning that, a cop is saying that he was fired for raising concerns about this. Also concerning that cops are getting fired, Andrew told me, for misusing this information. They were tracking people, right?

[C]

It doesn't say exactly. It says abusing the policy regarding the AI tracking security cameras.

[A]

Interesting.

[C]

Used by the county.

[A]

So I'm seeing what you all are saying in the chat, and I am of the notion that I assume I'm being tracked. Right. To think that we're not being tracked all the time is naive. And the purpose of these cameras, or says the company, and obviously the police departments that are, you know, signing contracts with it, they are saying that this is a crime fighting tool where they can essentially get people, they can get criminals because they can track where they are. Now, if I commit a crime and let's say I go to the grocery store across the street and I steal something and then I get away and I get in my car, you know, eventually the cops can pull CCTV footage from somewhere, you know, a local store or whatever, and eventually they'll find me. Right. This isn't that much different from that. And do I have consent to be recorded on someone's security camera? No. Like, I didn't technically consent to that, but when you step outside of the house in 2026, you kind of have to assume that you're being recorded. And I hate that we have to live like that. But that is the reality. Don't you feel that way?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Like, I don't think that it's good, but I know that it's happening.

[C]

I'm sitting here thinking, because when I was clipping for the show, I was like, would the uproar be any different if Ring began implementing, which I'm sure they already do, advertising. Hey, all of our Ring cameras are connected. We can track where you're going based off a ring. I think everybody would have the same reaction, but maybe not just because everybody believes Ring is a net positive.

[A]

Right. And people in the chat are bringing up the obvious point, and I'm glad that you brought it up, that we're all being tracked all the time on our phones, our locations are being tracked constantly. So what? I mean, again, I'm not saying that I'm for this. I don't like this. But how is this different from how we're being tracked all the time? I think we live in this Big Brother type Society where we really don't have privacy. We have the illusion of privacy, but no one lives privately. Nobody. When you leave your house, you are being tracked. You are being tracked when you're in your house. So I don't know, I feel like it's kind of. I appreciate the cop speaking out, saying, like, this is, you know, there are privacy concerns here, but we've got another privacy issue, and that's that we're really never alone. And this next story. So sort of in this same surveillance vein, you know, we live in a technological society. We are surrounded by technology. Again, this is giving us, you know, radiation, whatever the heck. Blue light, what? It's horrible, right? Like, all these things are horrible, but they're necessary evils. We live with them, can't live with them, can't live without them. You know, I have AirPods in my ears when I go to the gym because it's comfortable and it's convenient and I like to listen to music. And unfortunately, like, that's not good for us either. But this is the world we live in, so it's not good. But what are you gonna do, Right? So a lot of people are switching over to their wired headphones or whatever. But people have Amazon, Alexa, they've got ring cameras, they've got whatever they've got. And this guy bought a vibration plate off of, I don't know, some website, right? If you don't know what a vibration plate is, it's quite literally this thing that you step on and it shakes your whole body. And it's good for lymphatic drainage and whatnot. However, this guy bought this vibration plate, and here's the phenomenon that he was experiencing.

[C]

Watch.

[G]

I just experienced one of the craziest technology glitches that I have ever heard of. This is a vibration plate. You stand on it and it vibrates and it has Bluetooth. I wake up at 1am to this thing saying, bluetooth device connected. And I look at my phone. My Bluetooth is not on. So I don't know who's connected to it. But I was like, yeah, sometimes random people can connect to your device. That's normal. But what I heard was not normal. This was not music. This was not a phone call. I heard two people talking to each other in the same room next to their phone. Like, I could tell that this wasn't a phone call and the phone was sitting down and they were talking, and I could hear them both through their phone as background sound. Like, how is that possible through Bluetooth? Like, this shit. Is so creepy. I'm gonna try to get a video of it, but I'm telling you, I don't understand how this is possible.

[A]

See, you can hear the people.

[G]

See, there's multiple people having a conversation, and I'm hearing it through their phone. This isn't a phone call. How is that possible? You guys? Like, this is a serious glitch.

[A]

This is weird. I tried explaining that. Oh, no. I tried explaining the. The next video to you, and you were like, I don't get how that works.

[C]

Both of these are very, very explainable.

[A]

Oh, they're odd.

[C]

Very odd. I. I have an idea of an explanation.

[A]

What's your idea of an explanation?

[C]

The. It's still a bad explanation. It would be that their Bluetooth auto connected to his plate.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And that's the. That's the only thing I can wrap my head around.

[A]

But also, their Bluetooth, it's not like they're connecting to. Like, just because this is a Bluetooth device, you would have to give the. The thing permission to listen to you talking. Like, what application did they have open on their phone that's. That connected to their Bluetooth to the vibration plate? And how close are these people?

[C]

Do you remember kind of back in the day when you could get walkie talkies, nice ones, and you could mess around with the frequency and sometimes get something else? Something else.

[A]

You'd walk by someone's house, and it would be. You know, it would pick up something

[C]

else, or you would. You'd have like a. The. A boombox, and it would pick up the radio when it's off. That's the only thing I can think of is the. Whatever frequencies getting all mishmashed around. But even then, it's not great. It's not. That's not a good answer. That's not a good solution.

[A]

This is also me. This isn't me trying to be conspiratorial. But we don't need vibration plates with Bluetooth connection. There's actually no need for that.

[C]

How are you going to know how much you're vibrating?

[A]

I think you're okay. You know, I've never used a vibration plate, so I don't know. But I'm assuming you don't need it to connect to your phone. You don't need it to tell you. Like, if you just need this thing to, you know, move your body or whatever, can't you do that without it connecting? But I feel like nowadays, every machine, every device, there is a way to connect to your phone.

[C]

Haley, I am ashamed to admit this.

[A]

You like that?

[C]

No. Well, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about it. You saying it out loud makes me ashamed. But my. My toothbrush.

[A]

Shut up.

[C]

Has Bluetooth, and it tracks my cleaning and how often I clean and, like, where in my mouth I clean and whatnot and what have you. It's a really cool toothbrush, but they got it.

[A]

Okay, here's the thing.

[C]

If I ever tried to Jason born anybody, they would be like, yeah, so he's brushing his teeth currently, so it's

[A]

kind of cool, but it's unnecessary. That's my take. You don't need your vibration plate to connect to your phone. You don't need your toothbrush, clearly, to. You know, we used to have analog toothbrushes that just, you know, you. You move them with your arm back and forth instead of having it, you know, do it for you. We've gotten so lazy, and I just feel like, because everything is digital now, everything is a piece of technology, and everything connects to your phone. We're just. There are going to be more instances where our privacy is at risk. And this next video is certainly another instance of that where, well, I'll let the girl tell the story.

[D]

Watch.

[B]

So last night. Every night, I usually watch YouTube videos before I go to sleep. I listen to, like, the healing frequencies, or I'll listen to, like, sound bass or something like that before I go to sleep. So I was laying there watching my YouTube video, and I had actually dozed off, and I twitched and woke myself up. I was halfway awake, and I was like, oh, I need to probably go to sleep. So I was like, I'm. I need to turn it off and then go put my phone on charge. My phone was laying next to my head. I'm laying down, right? So I'm laying there for, like, a few more minutes, and all of a sudden, the video is still playing. And I can hear. It's like. Like someone took over my. Like, I suddenly heard a microphone. Like, someone hacked into my phone. And I hear, like, typing, like, clicking and poking. Like someone's, like, typing. And I hear breathing. And I hear a man. And it's. I'm looking at my phone and I'm watching it, and, like, the green light that shows that your camera's being used is on. I was on YouTube, mind you. The video is still playing. It's not an advertisement in. This man, who I'm assuming was not English, spoke, like, said two words. Words. Like, he said, like, something, and then he said something else. And I immediately like, my, you know, the hair stands up on the back of my neck.

[A]

I'm terrified.

[B]

And I think back to the girl who was saying that the same thing happened to her. She was watching YouTube, except she could see the man. Like, the man, like, was on her screen and she could see him. And then I just this morning, my friend sent me a video after I told them what happened of a. She found the video, and another woman said that happened her. She was watching YouTube as well. So I couldn't see this person. I don't know if it was because my phone was lit up and I was actually, like, on, you know, in the YouTube app on the screen. The other two women said that their phones were dim. Like, they. Their screens were locked so, like, they could see the man. And this. The woman was saying, like, you know, people are hacking into to your cameras to, like, watch you sleep and to, like, get you to enter your password so they can hack into your account. Well, the video I just watched, this woman's like, he had full access of her phone. Like, she was watching him as he was doing this. Terrifying. Oh, my gosh. If anyone has tips and tricks and stuff and like, additional security parameters that, you know, that you can set up an iPhone, please let me know. But, ladies, get a camera cover for your iPhone at night. Be wary and be mindful.

[A]

Okay? This is horrifying. And I tried explaining this to the guys yesterday, and they said, I don't know what you're talking about. So what did you think I was saying? And does this clear anything up for you?

[C]

No, this makes it so much worse, okay.

[A]

Because I said I found this video, and it's very scary. And it wasn't just this girl. There are other girls. And then there was another guy, like a safety tip guy that was made a video about this. So this wasn't the only instance that I had heard about. So apparently she's saying that it is possible, and why wouldn't it not be? There are other stories of people hacking into your camera, your laptop camera, and so of course they can. Of course, if they can hack into your camera on your laptop, they can hack into the camera on your phone. What I don't understand, though, is how there's got to be a YouTube glitch that while using the YouTube app, there's some permissions that is on or off that allows this to happen. Unless these people are just being hacked. But how would the hackers know that this is a young girl using the ASMR video to fall asleep? And how would they be able to watch them also. This is more so I think if I think more. More so Gen Z does this. Maybe millennials too. But they'll fall asleep with their laptop open on their computer. I could see that like this camera is pointing at me. But in the middle of the night my phone is on my nightstand and it's facing up. So maybe someone could hack into my phone and listen to me. Not that there's anything to really listen to, but if you were having your. You're watching YouTube on your laptop, I could understand that. But I don't know how there was someone watching her or what they were watching if her phone was on her maybe nightstand or even laying next to her.

[C]

Yeah, that's the part of this one that freaks me out the most is I don't have a. A logical explanation explanation to immediately the other one. Bluetooth connected. That's messed up. Whatever a little is.

[A]

It's very icky. There's also a little similarity between. Maybe there's an aspect to this where the Bluetooth is picking someone typing or someone like I've heard this of Amazon Alexa is just like the sound of the typing and it's. Or someone coughing. And who is that? And does that person know that someone, a house down from them is listening to them on their Amazon Alexa or something? It's. Or the YouTube app. It's pretty horrifying.

[C]

I. I don't think I told you this, but I was up real late at night watching basketball and my smart plug that.

[A]

What is that?

[C]

So my Alexa controls these plugs to turn on the lamps that we talked about.

[A]

Oh, you did tell me that.

[C]

Yeah. Well, it pinged and said your plug is now connected to the Internet at like 2 in the morning. It was terrifying. I have no idea why my smart plug is activating and trying to connect in the middle of the night Internet. So I unplugged it. I haven't plugged it back in. It was about a month ago. But it's stuff like this where I have no explanation. Why is it doing this? It's weird stuff.

[A]

It is weird stuff. Yeah, it's. It's very scary. And again, I will remind you that you can brush your teeth like this, back forth, back forth. You can turn your lights on like this, like that. You know, it's possible in smart home. Yeah. It's like, you know, you want to live in this smart house. I get it. It's futuristic and it's cool. But at what cost? And this is the cost. Your privacy is the Cost. And you don't know what is being uploaded to the Internet or who can see anything. I've seen stories about people's photos from their camera roll. They go into their camera roll and they're seeing other people's photos. It's not theirs. This is horrifying. Someone has a permissions open on some app and there's a loophole. And like, yeah, it's just very scary, you know? And someone in the chat said to turn your Bluetooth. Bluetooth off if you're not using anything. But I use my Bluetooth for my aura ring, so it's always tracking my steps and all that stuff. Again, we've gotten so comfortable to lit. Comfortable with living with technology that it's hard to then go back. And again, there is a cost for everything. This is the cost. Your privacy is the cost. And I know I'm a crazy person for, you know, agreeing to it, but, you know, that's why I really can't. I'm poking fun of you, but I really can't. Yuck your yums. The Bluetooth toothbrush is cool.

[C]

My teeth have never been cleaner.

[A]

Never been. Dentist is very happy. So this is also an interesting privacy lesson where you're really never not being watched or photographed. You've probably seen this. This has gone viral now. But these two girls, they're at an Airbnb with their family, and then they recognize someone on the wall in the Airbnb watch.

[B]

The weirdest thing happened. We get to our Airbnb in San Diego, settling, unsettling. And we're like, random Airbnb looking through it. No connections to it. We're looking at this picture and my dad is like, this looks like me. And I'm like, oh, dad. What? No, this is my dad. That's my sister Libby when she was 10 years ago. And that's Brady, my brother, 10 years ago. He is lit. They're literally in the Airbnb picture. Those swimsuits. We are literally in this picture. It's the craziest thing. We are on our Airbnb wall. It's crazy.

[F]

This can't.

[B]

Guys, we think this is crazy spiraling.

[A]

So this is a crazy. They call it invisible string theory, where you're kind of connected to people, you know, in one way or another throughout time, and sometimes it's caught on camera. So an example of this is, you know, a mother and her daughter take a photo, and her future husband is in the back of the photo, and they're six years old in the photo, and then they Meet one day, people say, oh, that's invisible string theory. This reminds me of that. Where this family is on their vacation. They have no idea that they're being photographed. And then, you know, they're just. They happen to book this Airbnb and. And the Airbnb host happened to use the photo that they happened to be in that they had no idea that they were in. I mean, it's really kind of scary to think, you know, when we were talking about this conversation about, you're always on camera, you're always on, you're always being filmed, and the potential for you to be in the background of something is always there because everyone is filming now. Everyone has their phones out at all times. And we were talking about this yesterday. But I always, when I film myself, because sometimes I'll do like a vlog or something, or I film myself in the gym. I make sure that nobody's face is in it except for mine. Like, I'm the only person in my videos, unless it's like, I'm not going to have some stranger who's not okay with being on camera in my content, you know, and this is an issue that sort of happens at gyms and things like that where there are influencers taking photos. And it's like, I don't want to be in the back of this. But this is kind of different because it seems like this is a drone

[C]

footage shot stock photo like you would get at TJ Maxx.

[A]

But aren't stock photos. Aren't there releases where these people sign up to be in the stock photos? Like, I don't think that this is. That.

[C]

That is. My biggest question is the.

[A]

This is a photography legal question.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

Because

[C]

my understanding is, is if you're going to sell their image and likeness, you have to either sign one, sign a waiver, or compensate.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And you hear the horror stories of. Of people getting on Getty Images as a. As a model, and then they're the face of like. Right. Aids.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, so you hear.

[A]

Yeah. Or stock photos, too. Yeah.

[C]

So you hear about that. But to we on an Airbnb is weird.

[A]

On that note, when I was working in news and I was producing, you know, they would always tell us to be very careful of using stock photos or Getty images. You know, we would have these generic VO's, where, you know, if we're talking about the military, like, you have, you know, I don't know, like, pictures of soldiers. Right. And it's. They're random. And then if you're talking about something, and a guest blames, you know, this country for something and that. It's like, this person can sue because you're using their photo and you're talking about something else. And that is an interesting lesson that I learned where it's like, you have to be very careful about the association, even when you're discussing. It could be a generic photo, but if you're applying that generic photo to another conversation, it's. It's no longer viable. You can't. You can't do that, and you could be held responsible in the court of law. So this is very odd because it seems like it was a drone photograph. Like, the camera, it's a very high angle of a beach, and the people in the photograph are very blurred, and they are like, here's the thing. If the photo was blurrier, would it be okay? I think yes, because you wouldn't be able to identify it. It would. I think the only people that would be able to identify who's who in that photo are the people in that photo in this very rare instance where the dad is like, that looks like me, and then they look closer at it. You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah, it is. I'm, like, trying. I'm trying to wrap my head around it.

[A]

I mean, I think if you're using this. Yeah, but you don't have. I. I don't know. It's a very weird ethical question. I want to get these permission. No, they're at it. You're allowed to take photos on your phone and just say, you know, but then again, when you start to sell it, do you have to let these people know? Because then this is in someone's home.

[C]

Well, and the difference, I guess in my head is, is we're at an Airbnb, and blank. I saw a picture. If I'm at an Airbnb in my hometown, and there have. I happened to find a picture of me in the background. That's way less weird than I'm in somewhere else. Portland, Oregon, and there's a picture and I'm in the background of it. So I won. Just.

[A]

It's an ethical question. Yeah, it's. It's just strange. It's just a weird. You know, on this topic of surveillance and really not having any privacy, this is more so like a stupid thing, but I thought it was prudent to talk about in this conversation. You know, you're always being watched, essentially.

[C]

Very interesting.

[A]

Yeah. It's crazy. You're always being. You're.

[B]

You're.

[A]

You could photobomb Any photo you don't even know you know, not even on purpose. All right, this next thing is crazy. Andrew sent this to me that there is going to be an AI dating app. And the AI dating app is being basically put out by another dating app CEO. So Justin McLeod was the founder and CEO of Hinge, and that's a dating app that I'm on, and that's definitely one of the most popular ones. And now he left Hinge last year, and now he's starting a new one. And this is what he said at the end of last year, I shared that I was leaving Hinge to start a new company called Overtone. And he talks about the problem of love. He said, a lot of people close to me have been surprised that I would dive right back into starting a new company, especially another dating company. People ask, aren't you tired or bored? The truth is, the deeper I go into the problem of love, the more interesting and inspiring it becomes. Given our rising loneliness epidemic, it's hard for me to imagine working on anything more meaningful and important. There has never been a more critical moment. The opportunities and perils of AI are staggering. I worry deeply about its misuse, especially around something as intimate and sacred as love. But he's going to dive right in anyway. He's worried about it, but he's going to do it, you know, like, he's the guy that can do this in the ethical way. I find that interesting that he knows and he recognizes that AI is very scary and people are being manipulated by AI, especially when they're vulnerable, but. And he's like, yeah, this is crazy, but it's the future, so I'm going to do it. Like, I'm going to be the one to do it anyway. He continues, at the same time, if approached thoughtfully and ethically, I believe. And who's. Who's to say who is ethical when this comes to this? I believe we now have the chance to create an entirely new and better paradigm in dating. Think about the most unhuman parts of the dating app experience. Writing personal ads for ourselves, judging each other in a split second based on photos, sorting through thousands of potential partners and wrangling through them. The wrangling them through the precarious funnel of like to match, to chat, to date. None of those steps exist because anyone wanted them. They exist because they were the best the technology could do. At Hinge, we spent years making each one as thoughtful and painless as possible. What's different now is that we no longer have to make steps better. We can eliminate them entirely. Which he says that the dating app is unhuman and the way to make it more human is to bypass all of those steps and offload them onto AI. How does that make it any more human? He's thinking, bypass all that and just get to the first date. We'll decide if you like this person or not.

[C]

You go, you have problems with it if it knocks it out of the park.

[A]

What do you mean, do I have problems with it if it's good?

[C]

Does the world go up in arms over AI picking their partners if it does a good job?

[A]

Hmm, that's a really good question, because you is. I feel like that would still make me feel kind of icky if. But I guess that's the same thing as having a friend set you up.

[C]

Well, no, but that's what.

[A]

It's a similar outcome. I mean, it's not the same experience of having a friend set you up, of course, but it's the same outcome. If it works out, then okay, who cares, you know, if you find the love of your life? Who cares how you found them?

[C]

Exactly. And if somebody says, oh, you're playing God, well, what if God allowed for this technology to be super great and set people up?

[A]

I don't believe that, but. So he says that this is essentially the future of matchmaking. And he said that matchmaking has a rich tradition. For most of history and most of the world, people met their partners through an introduction, like we were talking about. Networks are small. Matchmaking, you know, it's varied. But we understand that finding a partner is one of life's hardest and most consequential decisions. And we don't have to do it alone. He says over the last century, matchmaking fell into the fringes. Our networks have expanded and we took on our own searches for love, relying on our own personal opinions to guide us. Isn't that a good thing? Dating apps carried the trend to its logical end. Networks of millions filtered and sorted according to our tastes, all driven by instinctual flicks of our thumbs. I don't really understand how this is different than dating apps now and filtering it yourself or having someone else filter it for you. People complain a lot. That hinge rigs the algorithm where there with most dating apps, probably all dating apps. I don't know for sure to say all, but I would assume that with most dating apps, you have a free tier where you can use the app and, you know, you get a certain amount of swipes or something, and then you can pay, you can buy in to Have a better experience where you have more matches or more, you could tailor your profile more or whatever. And I know that Hinge works like that and Bumble works like that where there are in app purchases and subscriptions and things like that that will give you a different experience. And people's criticism of that is basically, you have to, the app is capable of giving you a great experience, but you have to pay more for it. If you don't want to pay for it, it's not going to give you the best matches. So people will say, oh well, I'm using the free version of Hinge, so I'm getting shitty guys or I'm getting shitty girls. And that's how they get you. They have the power to match you with someone who at least based on what you've put in your profile and what they've put in their profile, they already have AI and algorithms that match people together. They give you, hey, we think that this is your most compatible. Hey, we, so how is this any different? You're just taking the profile making process out of it. You don't have to make your own profile. And then how does this work? I get on a phone call with a AI chatbot and I have to go on like a informational date with this chat bot and then they get to know me and then, you know, some guy will do the same thing and then the AI will decide if we're a good match or not. I would rather just do that myself. Someone in the chat said, I'm so glad I got this nonsense out of my system years ago. People are saying they're very lucky. Andrew says this all the time. I'm so glad that I'm not dating now. It really is hell on earth. And I, I, I don't mean that lightly. It truly is horrific. And I think that this guy is, he thinks that he has the answers. But I think that there's, I guess to your point, if it works, then it works, but he's going to have to prove it. And I don't know who's going to sign up for this. I don't think I would. Unless.

[D]

I bet you said that about hinge 10 years ago.

[A]

No, I never, I know. I was never anti dating apparently.

[D]

Really?

[A]

Nope. Nope. Because the reason why I wasn't anti dating app is because my work schedules have always been insane.

[D]

That's fair. That's fair.

[A]

And my friends would go out to happy hour, they would go out to bars. I, I had one schedule where I was working Monday, Monday to Friday But I was working until 11pm at night. It was very hard for me to go on a date on a weekday with someone, hey, can you meet me at midnight? Like, that's obviously not how you meet a quality match. Right. So that was hard for me. And then when I worked on weekends, you know, my friends are out at bars, I was working, and I had Mondays and Tuesdays off. So it's one of those things where I always saw a dating app as an. An opportunity for me to meet someone that I wouldn't maybe bump into on the street, but maybe we are compatible. So I was never really anti it. And I know a lot of people think, oh, well, I want to meet someone in person. And I agree. I think that's the goal. Right? The goal is to meet someone in person and to have that meet cute movie moment where, you know, you bump into each other and you drop your papers and he picks them up and what, like a rom com? Right? That's very rare now because people work from home. People aren't in city centers anymore. People drive everywhere. People are on their phones. It's really. That kind of opportunity is not available as much as it was.

[C]

I think I would 100% agree. And I think the biggest fear people have is, is all of this coming together and the flock cameras are watching you and creating a social score, and the AI put puts you with somebody with a similar. Similar social.

[A]

It's a black. It's a black mirror episode.

[C]

Correct. And it's such a slippery slope.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're. They're claiming that their AI programs are going to get to know each person deeply, learning about them in their own voice, hearing their own unique story, and then we make only the introductions that are worth making. Who the fuck are they to decide that? I don't like that this is being taken from me. This is my life and my dating life and whoever I end up marrying, that's like the most important decision ever. I'm gonna offload that onto some chatbot.

[D]

I mean, you were just saying that the. The dating apps already have these algorithms.

[A]

I think I'm setting. Here's the thing. I. When I make my own profile and AI is not making my profile for me, I'm making it so I get to say that I'm this height and I went to school here and I do this for a living, and I want to date these races and these religions and these whatevers. Right. Like, you can tailor all of that. But that's me deciding that that's the other men on the other side of the app deciding that that's not an AI, deciding that that's the problem that I have with it. There is definitely a, an algorithm happening here that's, that's understood and there is some sort of a matchmaking going on. But to offload it completely onto AI, to have this conversation with AI, if I had to do that, would I be myself having a conversation with. I don't know. It's just weird. Someone in the chat said you should just go out and meet people. Yeah, it's easier said than done.

[D]

My interpretation of the, the idea that he's having is not that you're going to like dystopian communicate with the Terminator and he's going to set you up with somebody, but you're going to spend more time like making a profile and putting in details and then a more detailed profile and then it's just a stronger algorithm, basically.

[A]

Maybe, maybe. And if that's the case, then it's really not any different. It's just like Hinge turbo loaded, you know, it's like it's, you know, a better version of the dating apps that we already have and they're using AI to do that. But that, like, why wouldn't he have been able to do that at Hinge? Just make Hinge better, make Bumble better. You know what I mean? Like, we already have AI at our fingertips. Just use it to make the app experience better. You don't have to make a new app. That's. I don't know, that just seems strange to me. But I wouldn't feel very comfortable and I don't think I would be myself or the best version of myself with a. Having a conversation with a chat bot to get to know me. I would be much more comfortable. And I think most people are nervous on first dates and whatnot anyway, so maybe they're not the best version of themselves. But I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable chatting with a robot. I would, I would feel much more comfortable talking to a person.

[D]

I would venture to say that he probably feels the same way and that the onboarding for an AI dating app is not going to be avoid a conversation voice or text with. With a chat bot. That would be weird.

[A]

Yeah, I think it is weird. It's very weird. I wonder how this is going to work. He said that this is going to be available next year. And I, I see a lot of issues with current dating app culture. I just don't know if leaning further into AI is the way to make in person human connection better. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. And I, I will be the first person to say I'm sorry. I was totally wrong if this changes the game and there are, if I know a handful of people that said I use this app and it's worked for me. I would never say that. I wouldn't try it. Never say never. But this does give me pause. For sure.

[D]

It gives me pause in situations like this. I hesitate to view AI as anything more than just like a strong tool algorithm. Yeah, it's not like you're not like having a conversation with the Terminator to, to pick your match and then doing it at gunpoint with the, I don't know, nuclear bombs, like whatever, some Tom Cruise movie.

[A]

But I'm catastrophizing. I'm thinking that catastrophe a little bit.

[D]

I think it's just going to be a stronger dating matchmaker.

[A]

Yeah, I, I could see that.

[F]

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[A]

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[F]

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[A]

Healthcare just got less painful. Let's talk about this story coming out of Canada. There is a surrogate that is being sued by a same sex couple because the surrogate refused to abort their now two year old son over a minor birth defect. This is wild. So this is a Canadian same sex couple. They are suing the woman who carried their now two year old son because she refused their demand to abort the fetus because of a minor birth defect and a cleft lip. So now this couple is seeking $600,000 from the surrogate. The parents, the same sex parents, claim that the surrogate didn't keep them informed enough about the baby's health. They say that she put the child at risk, the child's health at risk and violated confidentiality and caused them emotional distress. So the $600,000 is I guess not just because she refused to abort, but could you imagine how sick this is? You have a two year old son and you're suing the woman that didn't take them out of this world. Can you imagine that this, this two year old son, by the way, is going to grow up one day and is going to be a 20 year old man and maybe he sees this headline and realizes that it's his parents. Right. Like you can do the math and realize, oh, well, I was born in that year and I was born via surrogate because my dads are gay, so obviously they didn't have me. And this all becomes, this comes out to light and then you feel. I would feel so just cast aside. I would feel so. I don't like, what's the word? I would just feel like trash. Like, I would feel like a piece of trash. Like worthless, useless. And that's not the case. Every life is deserving of life and, and respect and dignity. And this would just basically tell you in a very blunt way that your parents did not want to bring you into this world. That is, is really hard to deal with. And this surrogate is a single mom, so I'm assuming that she agreed to do this for the money. And if you hire a surrogate to carry a baby for you, you know, and they do that, you've done the job that you asked for. I guess they're suing because of emotional distress and whatever else. But then where does that couple get off demanding that the surrogate abort their baby? There are multiple ethical dilemmas here. First of all, same sex couples can't have a baby for obvious reasons, so they have to pay someone to do it for them. This shouldn't be a process that's commodified, in my opinion. Then the couple feels entitled because they're paying clients, they have paid this woman, and the woman has agreed to take their money. So now they feel entitled to this woman's body as an incubator. And for whatever reason, the woman signed up for this, again, probably for financial reasons. So in a weird, roundabout way, women are consenting to sell their bodies, not as a sex worker, but they are willing to commodify their uterus. Then you have the my body, my choice debate of the pro choicers. And this is why I don't believe that pro choicers are really pro choicers. They're not. They are pro abortion. They say they're pro choice, but they're pro abortion. Because even if they choose life for themselves, they're still pro abortion in general. And this couple is saying, I'm paying for access to your body, therefore you no longer have the right to make decisions. But then again, we are not even talking about the mother's body. We are talking about the body and the life inside of the mother. Two separate DNA. So who gets to make decisions for that life? Who protects that life? The gay couple that has the money or the woman that's growing the life. Obviously it's the mother's job to protect the baby growing inside of her. But is this the mother's baby? Genetically, no. And is this the same sex couples baby? Also no. Who's driving this bus? And that's why surrogacy is always wrong. There is no ethical way to pay someone to give birth for you. There's no way for emotions to not get in the way of this transaction. Babies should not be transactions. And I under this is different from adoption. I understand that adoption costs money, so in a way that's transactional. But this is after the fact to ensure that a baby has a loving home to grow up in. Therefore, adoption is in a league of its own and it is a blessing. In the case of surrogacy. This is man made and doctored from the very beginning and this is not God's will. And I will reiterate that obviously every baby is a blessing. Their life matters from the moment of conception. So no matter, any life, no matter how small, deserves to be protected and fought for. But surrogacy raises serious ethical questions. And in some cases, the people buying into this interest industry don't even understand what they're doing and what they're getting into. This video is from a 2022 episode of the Kardashians where Khloe Kardashian and her baby daddy, Tristan Thompson, decide that they want to use a surrogate to bring a biological sibling into the world for their daughter now that they're not together anymore. So they're together, they get pregnant, have a baby. Now they're not together. I don't think they were ever married. Now they're not together, but they still want to give their daughter a sibling, so they don't want to do it. So they're going to pay someone to take her egg and his sperm and then she can be the incubator. This is weird. Okay, they don't want to make a baby, but they're rich and famous, so they think they'll just pay someone to have the baby for them. And you know, they don't like each other, but they're going to bring another baby into the world together. But bizarre. So watch them realize the ethical complexities of what they're signing up for in the moment. Watch. If we are blessed to have multiples, we think that's in God's will, so we're on board with that. And what if your surrogate wasn't on board with that? But don't they have to kind of Go with what our wishes are.

[C]

Well, it's your baby, but it's her body.

[F]

So she could terminate the pregnancy with any unplanned outcome.

[C]

Oh, we haven't.

[F]

We never thought about that one.

[A]

Well, I really didn't know. I mean, it'd be something that we have to discuss. I'm definitely getting freaked out, I think, as the questions go by, just because I. Of course I know it's her body, my baby, but I really did not put two and two together. That that means she has the control whether she would want to, you know, terminate the twin. Me not having control over that outcome makes me very nervous. It's all about control. It's all about control, and it's all about comfort. Another thing with the left that pisses me off when it comes to their pro life. I'm sorry. Their pro choice arguments is that they only deem a life valuable when they want it. So in this case, Khloe Kardashian wants a baby and her baby daddy wants a baby, and therefore they're not okay with abortion.

[D]

Yeah. As much as, like, the gay marriage slippery slope led us to the LGBT nonsense we're at now. This is like the peak slippery slope of the sex revolution. Abortion.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Movement. Like, this is it. We're now in, like, this weird circle where you can't. Like, it's like indentured sex servitude.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And this is wild. Well, I don't know. I don't want to claim that I know where she stands politically or where. If she's pro life or pro choice, I would assume she's pro choice. But in that moment, she might have had a switch go off where she thought, oh, well, maybe I'm. Maybe I am pro life. But you're only pro life when it's you and what you want. That's so selfish. It's not. Oh, I care about the life when, like, what if Khloe Kardashian wanted to have an abortion, then she's fine with it, but then she's paying someone else to have her baby, and if she decides to abort it, then it's wrong. But why is that? It's. The hypocrisy is staggering. And the concept, by the way, of asking someone, you know, do you want twins or triplets? Is very unique to IVF and surrogacy normally, or when you have a baby, naturally, this is not a decision that is made. And when she says, oh, well, we want. We want doubles or we want twins, we want triples or triplets it's bizarre because she said, oh, well, maybe if she gets pregnant with twins, but the surrogate decides she doesn't want to carry twins, she can just kill one of them normally. I mean, again, naturally that can happen. You're not purposely killing it, but you can lose a baby in the womb. That happens. Actually, one of my good friend or two of my good friends are twins and they were triplets and one of them, I don't know what happened to the triplet, but then they were born twins, but it was triplets and then it was twins. So this stuff happens naturally. But it is wild to see this be a topic of conversation and you can sort of see the light bulbs go off in their head of this ethical thing. And it was fine, but it was just, hey, I'm going to throw money at this woman and she's going to do what I want. And then all of a sudden it doesn't become okay anymore when they don't get to be in control. You don't get to play God. You don't get to decide, oh, yeah, I'll have a boy. Oh, yeah, and then I'll have a girl, and then I'll implant my female embryo and then I'll discard the rest. No, that is wrong. It is always wrong. And they're confronted with this dilemma in the moment. They're like, oh, yeah, I didn't think of the surrogate's feelings. I didn't think of this because I'm paying her to be a vessel. So why is my vessel talking back? Why is my birthing person having an opinion? When does the surrogate's rights come into play? And is it ethical? When you sign up to be a surrogate and you, I guess you sign some kind of a contract, do you sign your rights away to someone else? Surrogacy really does whittle a woman down to just being a birthing person. Like the left would say a woman is. But then again, I think the left would say it's empowering because she decided to do that. I think it's flat out wrong. And I know there are instances where women can't get pregnant. And I'm not trying to be insensitive because I know infertility is heartbreaking, but I've heard of stories where a woman couldn't get pregnant so her sister gave birth for her or her sister became a surrogate or her birthday. Oh, my gosh. Thank you, everyone. Say hello to Dan30. What is that?

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This is for Muffin.

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Oh, look at the. They Crunch. When you're here, you want one for Birdie? No, no, no. You take them for. For Lucy and

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Instagram.

[A]

Okay. I'll see if she wants to play with it.

[B]

Happy birthday.

[A]

Thank you so much.

[D]

Whatever you were just saying.

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I will.

[A]

Oh, I will continue. I'm talking about the evils of surrogacy. This is actually very cute. I think it's a beaver. Birdie will probably freak out about this. I'll make a video about it later. But anyway, I was sort of done with my rant. I just. I know the topic is sensitive. I think that some women, if they can't get pregnant and their sister gives, is the surrogate for them or their mom. I've heard the situation like that again. It's still a lot of emotions that I think is. You just don't know how people are going to react in the moment. It's unnatural. That's what I'll say.

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Yeah.

[A]

So anyway, I think we're. We're at the end here. I don't want to go into. I don't want to go into scrolling time because I have so many stories, so many videos that I want to get into, and they're awesome. So I'll save that for tomorrow. I will do one last video, though, on this egg donation, because on this same topic, this woman donated her eggs years ago. And we don't have to watch the whole video, but I'll just read the text messages. This woman gave her eggs. Donated her eggs for money, of course, when she was 19 years old. And then her. The egg that she donated, you know, to whoever became a fully grown adult and reached out to her on Instagram. So this is the. This is the text conversation between the egg donor and her daughter, essentially. Okay, so this says. Hey, so I don't mean to be a bother, but I think you may be my biological mom. My mom revealed this info to me and was wondering if you wanted to do a DNA test and possibly get to know me and build a relationship as your daughter. I think I look so much like you and I've always felt empty and disconnected from my mom and didn't know why, which is such a heartbreaking message in and of itself. And that's so heartbreaking to have to say to someone. And it's certainly heartbreaking when this is the response. Hi, I'm going to be very direct with you. This is a major breach of privacy. Egg donation is a confidential, anonymous business transaction. I signed my parental rights away at 19 years ago, and I am not your mother. I do not have the space or desire to build a relationship with a stranger. Please contact the clinic or agency your parents use and please do not contact me again. This reinforces my opinion that children should not be for sale, but when they are, there are consequences. The egg donor in this case saw this as a money maker, a transaction, you know, a closed case. I donated my eggs, I got the money, and I'm. I'm clean of this. I got the money. I never have to meet these children of mine if and when they do come into the world. On paper, that's what it is. But that's not the biological reality of the situation at hand. The biological reality is that the egg donor is that person's biological mother. Whether the egg donor likes it or not. That is the mother, not the mother that raised them. But that doesn't matter. There is still a longing for mom, which is absolutely heart wrenching for everyone involved. Imagine being the child growing up without your mom, always wanting her, finding her, making contact with her, and then being rejected again and feeling that. Then imagine being the mother who raised that child and feeling like, I wanted you so badly. I did what I could, I got a donated egg. I've done everything I can for you. I've raised you, I've loved you, but I'll never be your biological mother. And the child that I raised is left wanting more and not feeling connected to me. That is heartbreaking. And I kind of hope that the child didn't tell their mom that. I mean, I think in terms of this and also of adoption, I think usually there's an open line of communication with the parent and the child. I would hope that, yes, you were adopted. This is what happened. And in some cases in an open adoption, the biological parents are more than welcome to have or more than happy to have a line of communication and a relationship. In other cases, it's closed and they don't want any communication. Then on top of all of this heartbreak, the egg donor had to be the biggest a hole on the face of the planet. We do these am I the a hole segments all the time. This woman is an a hole. There are ways to say that this has breached the contract I signed without being callous and dismissive. She doesn't have a maternal bone in her body, no emotional connection to this person because they've never met. But the egg donor carried that egg with her her whole life until she donated it. You can't deny the biological, biological reality of motherhood. And all of these alternatives do that. And there are other things you can sell people for money. People sell their plasma. And your plasma is never going to DM you on Instagram and say, are you my mom? I'm sorry. Like, if you're doing this to make money and you don't care about it, you're just trying to make money. There are other ways to make money. Your plasma is never going to say, do you want to have a relationship with me? I think you're my mom. There's just a cost to all this. That's the thing. There's a cost. So, anyway, I thought that that Kardashian clip was crazy. I just wanted to share it with all of you because it's just, wow. It's the. The light bulb goes on and they realize their hypocrisy. But I wonder if they really realize in the moment what they're doing. They make the decision to be a part of this process. Do they really understand all of the ethical dilemmas that come along with it? Did the egg donor realize that that egg was going to reach out to her on Instagram? Obviously not. She was surprised by that. But there's a humanity in all of this that people are missing, and I think these stories highlight that, and we should remember that. So thank you for watching today. I will, I promise you. I have a ton of videos for you tomorrow. So we'll do more scrolling time and I'll see you then.

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