Whoopi Has NSFW Opinion on Trump Library - Scrolling w/ Hayley (Ep. 268)

Summary

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Podcast Summary:

Scrolling with Hayley
Episode 268: "Whoopi Has NSFW Opinion on Trump Library"
Host: Hayley Caronia
Date: April 1, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Hayley Caronia brings her trademark sharp conservative wit to the latest pop culture and political stories. The main theme revolves around reactions to President Trump’s unveiled design for his Miami-based presidential library, particularly Whoopi Goldberg’s NSFW commentary. Hayley also dives into Kristi Noem’s husband’s scandal, viral “Alpine divorces,” and the rise of an anti-social dating app for sugar daddies. Throughout, Hayley critiques the left’s culture wars, mainstream media hypocrisy, and shifting norms around relationships and gender.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump Presidential Library: Whoopi’s Commentary & Media Reactions

• Trump’s Library Unveiled:

  • New renderings show a “gorgeous, sleek building” in Miami, complete with “iconic Trump” gold and a replica Air Force One.
    "It’s a gorgeous, sleek building... I want to be at that. I’m manifesting it right now." (01:15, Hayley)
  • Budget is projected at $950 million–$1 billion, largely from Trump's media lawsuit victories.

• Whoopi Goldberg’s NSFW Take:

  • On The View, Whoopi joked the building looks like “a giant penis,” and questioned why Trump is “building a bunker under the White House.”

    Whoopi Goldberg: “It’s a giant... it looks like a giant penis...” (04:15) Hayley: “Whoopi Goldberg talking about it looking like a penis is stupid. It’s the most middle school response I’ve ever heard.” (05:04)

  • Hayley’s reaction: Whoopi “grasping at straws” for faults, comparing this to her silence when the “Embrace Boston” MLK statue was similarly ridiculed.

    “She needs to get her mind out of the gutter.” (06:42, Hayley)

  • Contrasts media coverage: applauds Trump’s architectural taste over Obama’s “ugly, cold, brutalist” library, which looks “like one of those prehistoric... big stone heads.” (08:02)

• Funding with Lawsuit Settlements:

  • Trump’s library to be partly funded by settlement money from media lawsuits (ABC: $15M, CBS: $16M, with lawsuits pending against NYT for $15B and BBC for $10B).

    “It’s kind of a mainstream media lie discount that he’s got going on.” (10:58, Hayley)

• Notable Trump Quote (via Fox’s Peter Doocy):

  “It’s going to be most likely a hotel... with a beautiful building underneath and a 747, Air Force One in the lobby, which is going to be a trick.” (12:00, Hayley quoting Trump)

• Naming Rights Expansion:

  • Trump gets Palm Beach International Airport renamed to Donald J. Trump International Airport (DJT). Hayley jokes about potential merch and Democrat objections.

    “No one’s buying a freaking sweatshirt from the airport. But if you put Donald Trump’s name on it, I think people might.” (15:41, Hayley)

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2. Kristi Noem’s Husband Cross-Dressing Scandal

• Daily Mail Revelation:

  • Kristi Noem’s husband, Brian (Byron) Noem, caught with prosthetic breasts and engaging with “bimbofication” TikTok culture. Sent fetish payments to online performers.

    “Even worse news, Kristi Noem’s husband has bigger boobs than I do. It’s really sad.” (00:28, Hayley) “This is tough. This was a tough read and it was a tough look too.” (23:45, Hayley)

• Bimbofication Explained:

  • Hayley defines the TikTok-driven trend as a hyper-feminine, pro-LGBTQ subculture, expressing confusion over its appeal to a conservative political spouse.

    “Maybe he went the bimbofication route instead of the girl bossification.” (21:56, Hayley)

  • Noem family requests privacy. Local community feels sorry for Brian rather than Kristi.

• Media Spin:

  • NY Times paints Kristi as partly to blame due to her Department of Homeland Security career, which Hayley calls “ridiculous.”

    “It’s Kristi Noem’s fault that her husband is out doing this... The media would be all over this story.” (25:27, Hayley)

• Affair vs. Fetish Debate:

  • Hayley and chat speculate: Did Kristi’s rumored affair cause the fetish, or the reverse? Consensus among listeners is “boobs, then cheating.”

    “You don’t become crazy overnight. Okay, boobs then cheating.” (25:18–26:40)

• Trump’s Response:

  “They confirmed it? Wow. Well, I feel badly for the family if that’s the case. That’s too bad. I haven’t seen anything... but I just know nothing about it.” (27:34, quoting Trump)

• Marital Betrayal and Gender Identity:

  • Hayley expresses deep sympathy for partners whose spouses transition or reveal hidden fetishes, referencing both the Noem family and Caitlyn/Bruce Jenner.

    “You marry someone and there’s always a fear... do I really know this person?” (29:01, Hayley) "That is not at all what you signed up for, and that is not at all in, in line with biblical teaching or, or anything like that." (31:53, Hayley)

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3. Transgender Betrayal in Relationships

• Viral TikTok Story:

  • TikTok user describes her conservative, masculine husband who begins cross-dressing, transitions, and reveals this at a family reunion.

    “I flipped out and I basically said, what the hell? Go figure out what’s going on. Pack your bags, this is not you.” (35:29, TikTok Wife)

• Hayley’s Commentary:

  • Pushback against blaming wives for husbands’ transitions (“Do you know how many men would be trans if every working wife caused that?”) (37:22)
  • Asserts men transitioning to female is more common, often linked to sexual fetishes, and questions predisposition vs. spousal influence.

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4. Being ‘Tricked’ by Transgender Partners

• Anonymous Woman’s Story:
  • Shares her experience of unknowingly dating a trans man, only finding out via an acquaintance, leading to feelings of betrayal.

    “It’s really, really messing with me.” (41:17, Woman) “It’s two betrayals: they betray you by... presenting as this other person, but then they don’t tell you.” (43:38, Hayley)

  • Hayley questions how it’s possible to be fooled, suggests “check for scars,” “check the hands.”

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5. Viral 'Alpine Divorce' Trend

• TikTok Goes Viral:
  • Explains “Alpine Divorce,” where (mostly male) partners abandon women during hikes or outdoor activities. Describes it as symbolic of relationship abandonment.

    “Apparently this is mostly when men abandon the women they are with on some sort of an outdoor activity.” (45:25, Hayley)

  • References tragic real-world case of a woman freezing to death after being left by her boyfriend on a mountain.
  • Hayley expresses disgust at the callousness, “With friends like that, you don't need enemies.” (48:44)

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6. Anti-social Dating App for Sugar Daddies

• App Spotlight: Dion
  • New dating/networking app Dion lets users send drinks to strangers at bars without conversation. 20,000-person waitlist in NYC.

    “We are just getting so antisocial as a society that I think that this can’t be good.” (48:45, Hayley)

  • Explains functionality, predicts it’ll be used as a virtual sugar daddy/sugar baby or “OnlyFans lite” app rather than for genuine connections.

    “It’s going to be the wrong kinds of girls and the wrong kinds of guys that end up using this app... It’s just creepy.” (55:04, Hayley)

  • Group critiques the “dehumanizing” nature of dating apps; predicts that women will join for free drinks, not for authentic connections.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Whoopi Goldberg’s Library Joke:

  "Whoopi Goldberg talking about it looking like a penis is stupid. It's the most middle school response I've ever heard."
  — Hayley Caronia (05:04)

• On Trump’s Library Funding:

  "It's kind of a mainstream media lie discount that he's got going on."
  — Hayley (10:58)

• On Kristi Noem’s Husband’s Scandal:

  "This was a tough read and it was a tough look too... Even worse, Kristi Noem's husband has bigger boobs than I do. It's really sad."
  — Hayley (00:28; 23:45)

• On Marital Betrayal:

  "You marry someone and there’s always a fear... Do I really know this person?"
  — Hayley (29:01)

• Viral 'Alpine Divorce' Reaction:

  "With friends like that, you don't need enemies."
  — Hayley quoting chat (48:44)

• About the Dating App Dion:

  "They're just creating a dating world and a networking world in which you really never have to speak with someone face to face, and it is detrimental to society."
  — Hayley (54:14)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Trump Library, Whoopi Goldberg’s Comments: 01:15–10:58
• Trump’s Lawsuit Settlements & Library Funding: 08:22–11:51
• Naming Palm Beach Int'l Airport After Trump: 13:27–17:44
• Kristi Noem’s Husband Scandal Background: 18:40–27:34
• Marital Betrayal & Gender Identity Discussion: 29:01–35:03
• Transgender Partner TikTok Story: 35:03–39:26
• Dating Betrayal & Trans Deception Story: 41:17–44:34
• Alpine Divorce Trend: 45:19–48:44
• Antisocial Dating App Dion Discussion: 48:45–57:58

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Memorable & Funny Moments

• Hayley on Airport Merch:
  “No one’s buying a freaking sweatshirt from the airport. But if you put Donald Trump’s name on it, I think people might.” (15:41)

• On Outlandish App Trends:
  “It's like walking down the street and slipping a $20 bill into someone's back pocket. That's exactly what it is.” (56:34)

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Tone and Style

Hayley’s tone is fast-paced, candid, and irreverently conservative. She mixes snark with sharp cultural and political observations, engaging the audience and her chat with humor, skepticism, and the occasional personal aside.

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For listeners who missed the episode, this summary provides a comprehensive and engaging walkthrough of all major topics, insights, and Hayley’s signature commentary.

Transcript

[Haley Carnegie]

Happy Wednesday, everyone. Welcome to Scrolling with Haley. This is Haley Carnegie here. President Trump has unveiled brand new renderings of his presidential library. And Whoopi Goldberg is having unsavory, not safe for work thoughts about it. Why is her mind in the gutter? I don't want to find out. Even worse news, Kristi Noem's husband has bigger boobs than I do. It's really sad. Except his are fake and we're inspired by the Barbie bimbos he was dropping a pretty penny to to talk to online. You hate to see it. We're going to get into all that. Plus, women are speaking out about Alpine divorces. A new way to betray the woman in your life. If wearing prosthetic breasts isn't your jam, you can leave them on a mountaintop to fend for themselves. Also, a new dating app for antisocial sugar Daddies has a 20,000 person wait list. So put your phones on. Do not disturb. The show starts now. Before we get going, I have to say, tell a friend about the show. I, I'm not, I'm not here to beg, but I'm just saying if you haven't told a friend about the show yet or a family member or someone, the barista at the store, someone that you meet on the street, what are you doing? We're growing this show. So tell a friend about the show. Of course. Tell them to watch it on rumble. Rumble.com Haley, follow the Bongino Report channel and anywhere else you get your podcast. Just listen and tell a friend. All right, so let's get into the show for today, President Trump unveiled this new rendering of what will be the presidential library in Miami, Florida. Watch this. So it is just a gorgeous, sleek building. Gorgeous, sleek building. I'm excited for it to be in Miami too, because that means that we can go down and see it. And I am very excited. We're, we're going to take another class trip. We are racking up the scrolling time or the scrolling with Haley class trips. We haven't been on one, but we have a lot of plans. We have one, we would took one to DC, but it's got the iconic Trump on the side. American flag, gold, of course. It looks very cool and I want to be at that. This is a fake AI opening ceremony thing. I want to be invited to that. I'm manifesting it right now. And it's got this replica of Air Force One. So cool. And it's going to be a library, also a museum. Gold escalator, iconic gold escalator. That President Trump came down from Trump Tower to announce his presidency. Candidacy for presidency. So this is going to be very cool. You can. You can see into the White House in this new grand ballroom and the Oval Office and all these things. It's sort of like a. A memorial of this Gilded Age in the White House, if you will. And gilded, quite literally, with all of the gold that is in the Oval Office right now and in the White House. And if you've ever been to Mar A Lago, it's also very gold. And this is iconic President Trump. So to see this all, you know, come to life, I know. In a rendering right now, but this is very exciting. And the foundation for Donald Trump's presidential library aims to raise nearly $1 billion over the next three years. And it is going to be a high rise. And tax filings reveal a projected $950 million budget. Before we get into all that, though, we have to talk about Whoopi Goldberg, because Whoopi Goldberg said on the View yesterday that she thought the library looked like a man's genitalia. And let me just say, you all saw the rendering. You all saw the rendering of the video of the. The. The building, and I didn't get that vibe. But this is what Whoopi Goldberg had to say. Watch. There's so much crazy stuff going on.

[Vince Colonnades]

I mean, the fact that.

[Haley Carnegie]

Did you see the rendition of the. Of the library that he's building?

[Vince Colonnades]

Yes.

[Haley Carnegie]

It's a giant. It looks like a giant penis.

[Vince Colonnades]

Oh, yeah, Let me see that.

[Haley Carnegie]

It's just this giant thing. Yeah. And, you know, it's ironic because he

[Vince Colonnades]

can't read as it is.

[Haley Carnegie]

He's got this big library, this giant thing, and it's like, where are you putting that? And why are you building a bunker under the White House? The White House doesn't belong. It's not your building. You don't own the building.

[Vince Colonnades]

You can't just put stuff there.

[Haley Carnegie]

It's not your house. This reasoning, it doesn't really make sense. She's trying to. She's, like, pulling issues to have with the library out of thin air. First, it looks like a penis, which it obviously doesn't.

[Chat Participant 1]

I would hate to be Whoopi Goldberg in New York.

[Chat Participant 2]

Yeah.

[Chat Participant 1]

Terrifying.

[Haley Carnegie]

All of the buildings look like penises. I guess it looks like a normal building. I don't know what she's talking about. It looks like the Freedom Tower. But anyway, then she's saying, he doesn't own the building, so you can't just put stuff in it. Why would he not be able to just put stuff in the building. What is the building supposed to be empty? The presidential library. President Trump's presidential library is just going to be empty. It's a museum. You're not going to have anything in it. You can't just put things in it. You don't own it. His name's on the side of it. It's quite literally his presidential library. I think he can do with it what he wants to do with it.

[Chat Participant 1]

I, too, don't furnish my leased apartment. Like, what are we talking about?

[Haley Carnegie]

It's just ridiculous. It's just going to be empty. I mean, what would people. What would people go to see if it was empty? He can't put stuff in it. Like, there. This is what I'm saying. And I don't know if. And then Joy Reid, or, I mean, Joy Behar, whatever. I get them confused because they're both joys. But, you know, Joy Behar is. I think maybe Whitney Cummings at the end of the table was putting on the pressure. I think they were trying to be extra funny in front of her and all their jokes were just not landing. Whoopi Goldberg talking about it looking like a penis is stupid. It's the most middle school response I've ever heard. I don't know what would be next, you know, your mama jokes or something like that. But this was just very juvenile and immature and obviously not rooted in reality. And again, to Justin's point, does she think this about all buildings? And I don't know what kind of penises she's seen, but I don't see the correlation. I think that this is obviously, you know, grasping at straws here. But yeah, Joy saying that, well, President Trump can't even read. So. Okay, what? Take it up with Gavin Newsom. He's the one that self proclaimed can't read. Right. Anyway, so I need to go back to the penis thing because Whoopi Goldberg says that the presidential library looks that way. And I tried to do a deep dive into Whoopi Gold's past. Comments. You know, in 2023, when this Boston MLK statue was erected, and I say erected, is this a stat? I guess it's a statue and an art piece. Art installation that was supposed to honor MLK and Coretta Scott. And you know, this isn't how I would honor someone. I guess you could. People were saying that it looked like male genitalia. I would say that. Or just a large turd maybe, you know, and I don't know how. I don't know what this does to honor them, but members of the Scott family came out and said that this was a masturbatory homage to their family. And I'm just going to read you a an excerpt from this. By now, I'm sure you've seen it. The new Boston Sculpture honoring Dr. Martin Luther King and his wife, Coretta Scott King looks more like a pair of hands hugging a beefy penis than a special moment shared by the the iconic couple created by the organization Embrace Boston. The sculpture has inspired mad jokes on Twitter and rightly so, but for my family, it's rather insulting. You see, Coretta was my first cousin, but my grandfather's niece and the daughter of my great uncle, Obadiah Scott. So obviously the, the King family, the Scott family, they think that this is disgusting, which it is. And again, I tried looking up to see what Whoopi Goldberg had to say about this. Surely she was outraged as well. She must have seen the resemblance to a penis. Or did she keep her mouth shut because that was MLK and this is Donald Trump. So of course she has something negative to say. She needs to get her mind out of the gutter, because when I see renderings of the library, it looks a lot like the Freedom Tower in New York City. Beautiful, sleek, skyscraper. Of course, she has to find the most normal looking skyscraper and make it inappropriate. And this is another building that I don't think Whoopi Goldberg has anything bad to say about. Obama's library that looks like a prehistoric rock structure. And, and of course, it is still under construction. These things take time. This is also going to be about a billion dollars. And it is an ugly, cold, brutalist piece of architecture. It looks like a, you know that emoji of the Easter island statues of like the big stone head? That's what his statue looks like. I mean, his library, it looks like one of those prehistoric, I don't know, sculptures. And that prehistoric looking hunk of stone is also looking to be about a billion dollars. They've spent 850 million so far. And I guess that's the going rate for the presidential library these days, because President Trump's, I don't know if this is inflation, tariffs, what's going on, but his is also set to cost a billion dollars. However, I will say President Trump's library, partly being funded by all of those lawsuits that he's won against the lying mainstream media hacks. He's gotten $15 million in a settlement with ABC. He's got $16 million with CBS. Some reports say Paramount Global paid more than that, up to $24 million because of that deceptive editing of a 60 Minutes interview with Kamala Harris. He's also. So that's 31 million in the bank. Just because people lied about him. He. And he's not done. President Trump is not done. He's suing more people. He's got pending lawsuits. 15 billion. This is what happens. President Trump sees that he's winning, right? He's winning these lawsuits. He started low. He's lowballing with the CBS, ABC. He's figuring, wait, I can get 15 million, I can get 16 million out of these people. Well, come to find out that once New York Times starts lying about President Trump and defaming him, now he's going in with the big guns. $15 billion billion with a B lawsuit against the failing New York Times, saying that they had false statements about him building his fortune through fraud. And then he's also got a 10 million, sorry, $10 billion lawsuit pending with the BBC, who Trump claims deceptively edited one of his speeches. So this is going to be one heck of a library, especially if he keeps racking up these lawsuits and winning and settling and getting all this money. I mean, it's really, you know, Obama can't say the same. Obama didn't, he didn't have the mainstream media lying about him and all that. So, yeah, I think President Trump, I mean, it's, it's kind of a mainstream media lie discount that he's got going on, But. Foxes. Peter Doocy asked the President about the library yesterday, and this is what he had to say.

[Vince Colonnades]

Posted a photo of what will be the Trump Presidential Library. It's a huge skyscraper in Miami.

[Chat Participant 2]

Is that all a library?

[Haley Carnegie]

What else is going in there?

[Vince Colonnades]

Well, it's a library. It's a museum or library. It's a presidential. But I wouldn't start until I'm out of office. I don't believe in building libraries or museums. It's really like the Barack Hussein Obama one in Chicago in not a good location. And it's a very unattractive building that's seriously late and seriously over budget. I think you're going to see a great one here and it'll go up on time, on budget. Best location in Miami. Best. They say it's the best block in Miami and the state worked with us. No, it's going to be most likely a hotel. You know, this concept could be office, but it's most likely going to be a hotel with a, a beautiful building underneath and a 747, Air Force One in the lobby. Which is going to be a trick.

[Haley Carnegie]

Very. Which is going to be a trick. I think it is funny. I think they saw that the Obama library has been, you know, it's taking so long, it's so expensive. So President Trump gets to say that we're on budget. His budget is $1 billion just to start off with. So they're safe. You know, they're safe. It's just like a little extra safety net here. If you say if you're starting off with $1 billion budget, you're not going to go over the budget. Unless maybe they will. I don't know, maybe the gold, the gilded everything will cost more money. The gold toilets. And did you know that I saw this on TikTok today. Did you know that Kid Rock's house is a replica of the White House and he has gold toilets in it.

[Chat Participant 3]

Sounds very Kid Rock.

[Haley Carnegie]

You should pull up, try to screen cap it so we could pull it up. But Kid Rock has, he lives in a, a White House replica. I'm, I'm assuming he lives in Tennessee somewhere. But I don't know for sure, actually. But it is a crazy house. And I guess when you have that kind of money, it's, why not, if you want to live in the White House, just, just build one. Yeah, this is Kid Rock's White House. And it's got the, it's got like, I don't know, I guess two garages on either side. But yeah, American flag up the top. And it is inspired by the White House. So someone in the chat said it's the Southern White House. Not to be confused with Mar a Lago, of course, but this is, this is a rock and roll White House somewhere in, I don't know, probably Tennessee. But I actually, I don't know. But anyway, President Trump is not done putting his name on the sides of things, Right. Because he did it with the Kennedy center. And then the liberals got all triggered. And now Palm Beach International Airport is going to be renamed to Donald J. Trump International Airport. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed House Bill 919 into law that would rename the airport. Of course, Democrats were upset, right? But Democrats in Florida are outnumbered, so it didn't really matter. They were concerned about taxpayer cost to this, saying that it could be $5.5 million to change the name. Critics said, of course, that this could open the door to private financial gain through branding and merchandise tied to the airport name. I'm, I, it's funny that Democrats are concerned about the Merch I've never heard of airport merchandise in my life. Not that I would put it past people to buy anything with President Trump's name on it. If it's President Donald J. Trump airport sweatshirt, people are going to buy it. But I've never, I've never even seen airport merchandise, I don't think, in my life.

[Chat Participant 3]

All right, pbi, merch goes incredibly hard. Also, their social media.

[Haley Carnegie]

No, no, I'm not talking about merch in the airport. You're talking about Palm Beach International Airport sweatshirt, not sweatshirts in the airport.

[Chat Participant 3]

Correct.

[Haley Carnegie]

I've never seen that. I've never seen like a JFK airport sweatshirt or. And I've never been inclined to buy a sweatshirt from the airport. The airport is not the destination. The city that you're visiting is the destination. And I'm sure there's another tourist trap in that city that you're going to visit. But it's not like, oh, let me remember my experience from this airport. I got a really good, you know, Dunkin Donuts coffee here. And this is special to me.

[Chat Participant 3]

Now, I don't know, they've got a putting green. I know that. That's pretty nice.

[Haley Carnegie]

Palm Beach. Oh, yeah. Outside that little, what's it called, that

[Chat Participant 3]

little 10 out 10 airport. This is.

[Haley Carnegie]

Yeah, it's a great airport. This is great. This is. I love going to Palm Beach International Airport, soon to be Donald J. Trump International Airport, djt. And they're going to change the, the airport code. It's not going to be pbi, it's going to be djt, which is, I just can't wait to fly into djt.

[Chat Participant 1]

I think DTI has a better ring. But DJT is cool.

[Haley Carnegie]

No, DJT is perfect.

[Chat Participant 1]

I mean, it's definitely perfect. But Donald Trump International, like, it's kind

[Haley Carnegie]

of Donald Trump International, but people will call it that. You know, the airport code isn't what necessarily you call it. Like Charlotte, for example, is clt, But I would say Charlotte International Airport. You know, I'm not going to say I'm flying into clt.

[Chat Participant 1]

Okay.

[Haley Carnegie]

I don't know. Am I wrong? Maybe? I actually saw a tick tock this morning. Someone was, they were like fighting in the comment section because someone said that they were flying into Denver International Airport and someone in the comments says, no one calls it that. They call it D, E, N or whatever. And it's like, all right, who cares? My point is no one's buying a freaking sweatshirt from the airport. But if you put Donald Trump's name on it, I think people might so that's what the Democrats are more concerned about. This is my president. That's my airport. I absolutely love it. And he's renamed the road outside of Mar a Lago. That stretch of road is Donald J. Trump Boulevard. So by the time we're done and President Trump is, what, like, halfway through his term. And what else is going to be Donald Trump ified?

[Chat Participant 3]

It's been fun having him down here.

[Haley Carnegie]

Yeah. Oh, it's, It's a lot of fun. And I wonder what else he's going to slap his name on. And the fact that the library is going to be an A hotel, too. Library, museum, and hotel. I feel like this is so iconic Trump. I'm just, I'm very happy for, for our president here. He's. He's expanding, he's growing, he's building his brand always. And I love to see it. I love to see it because I love him and I'm not triggered by him, but I'm sure the Democrats are. You know, they're not sleeping well at night. Now. The. The Democrats that have to fly into djt, they're going to be calling it PBI forever, but that's okay. Taking a quick break to tell you about the sponsor for today's show, Beams Dream Powder. If you've listened to me for a while, you know that dream has been part of my nightly routine. It helps me stay fresh and focused throughout the day. And once I added beam to my routine, I started sleeping straight through the night, waking up energized. 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We've Got enough right. And they've already got a whole pride month in June to celebrate whatever their mental illness is. So I don't know what this is all about, but yesterday was a very special transgender day of visibility because former DHS secretary Kristi Noem's husband Brian was outed for wearing large prosthetic breasts in his free time. And while he may not be transgender per se, he does apparently cross dress. So this is the headline out of the Daily Mail who broke this story. Secret double life of Christine Ohm's cross dressing husband Brian the pouting, busty bimbo. Ew. Photos and trove of explicit messages. This is tough. This was a tough read and it was a tough look too. We're, we're, we're going to show you these photos. So if you haven't eaten lunch yet, I would hold off because we are going to see Brian gnome in what appears to be tight T shirts with balloons underneath them and, and spandex leggings and shorts and, and women's athletic gear essentially. But according to the Daily Mail's exclusive reporting, Brian was chatting with women from the so called bimbo vacation fetish scene where adult performers augment their breasts with massive amounts of saline to achieve a Barbie doll like appearance. And he reportedly paid at least $25,000 to praise the models for their quote, huge, huge, ridiculous boobs that he loves so much. And if you are like me and you have absolutely no idea what bimbo vacation is, I googled it for you. So this is what Google says. Bimbofication is a Gen Z driven TikTok subculture. An online trend that involves subversively reclaiming the bimbo stereotype, historically a conventionally attractive, sexualized and unintelligent woman. Why would you want to become this, I don't know, as an empowering, hyper feminine and radical inclusive identity often described as pro sex work, pro blm, pro lgbtq, pro choice. Aggressively kind. Modern bimbofication rejects the girl boss obsession with productivity, favoring radical self love and the freedom to embrace femininity without judgment. Okay, so they're not girl bosses, but it's like a cross between the, the craziest gay person you've ever seen. And then it's also kind of based because they, they're not girl boss culturing, which is really weird. This is maybe why he got into this. There was a, an aspect of this trad wife and then rejection of this girl boss ification. He, he went the bimbofication route instead of the girl boss ification. Anyway, this snowballed into him partaking in this trend because he loves so boot. He loves boobs so much he wanted to wear them himself. So this is reportedly the photos from the Daily Mail and his nipples are all over the place. So I don't know what's going on there, but he's got a tight T shirt on and I don't know who's taking these photos or if this is the poor dog, the lone dog that is survived on the Gnome property. He has to survive. He's like, dad, dad, what are you doing in there? Oh, and it's so cute too. And he's probably thinking, oh, what is happening in this, in this bathroom? I feel badly for the, for the dog, really.

[Chat Participant 1]

First and foremost, I feel bad for me.

[Haley Carnegie]

I feel bad for all of us. This is not a fun thing to look at and talk about, but we have to. I'm sorry. And I, I'm very confused as to why a grown married man would be hopping on what is apparently this Gen Z driven TikTok subculture trend that I've never heard of despite being on TikTok for eight hours a day. So I don't know who's on this. I guess I'm not Gen Z or close enough to Gen Z. This is not something that I've ever heard of before in my life, but apparently Mr. Gnome all over it and Mrs. Noem has, has now come out and confirmed this, saying that Ms. Noem is devastated. The family was blindsided by this and they asked for privacy. This is according to Noem's representatives who answered the call from the New York Post. So according to the New York Times, Brian Noem has turned down interview requests, but not for long. He says that one day he will do an interview, but not now. I wonder who he'll give the interview to. Brian Gnome. Who is he going to, is he going to go to a, a friendly conservative outlet? Because I feel like a conservative outlet would be very disapproving of this fetish. Is he going to go to a leftist outfit that is going to be more approving of this fetish or is he going to go to someone, you know, down the middle? If that really exists.

[Chat Participant 3]

It'll be interesting what direction he takes this and when.

[Haley Carnegie]

And when is the interview? You know, he says not now, but my question is when? I, I don't know. When would be the right time to come out about this? I guess he says right now is not the time. I'm assuming the family is reeling. I couldn't imagine the, you know what Christie's going through. Not that this is probably a surprise to her, but I think, you know, it being outed to the public, it was a surprise. And I don't know if his adult children know. And, you know, when their grandchildren grow up, they're gonna have to wrestle with the fact that their photos of their grandfather are out, you know, like that how we just saw him, which is really concerning. But the New York Times took an interesting way of covering this story. They went to the hometown. They went to Castlewood, South Dakota, and they interviewed a lot of people in the town, people who know the Gnomes, and they said that everyone really felt very sorry for Brian. They didn't feel sorry for Christy, but they were feeling sorry for him. And they kind of made this, or they try to turn this into an attempt to make Kristi Noem look like the bad guy in all of this. I think both of them are probably at fault, but I. I kind of feel sorry for both of them at the same time. And the New York Times interviewed this one person, and it says this, quote, one person who has known the Gnome family for many years is Brad Johnson, a real estate appraiser, conservationist, and newspaper columnist who splits his time between Watertown and Rapid City. And he said this. People know Byron. I keep saying Byron because he spells Brian wrong, in my opinion. B, B, R, Y, O, N. No, sorry. It's. It's just wrong. Anyway, Brian. People know Brian as the supportive husband who worked to maintain a normal family life. As Christie's profile skyrocketed, I'm just taking a pause there. Is this how you maintain a normal family life? Is this normal? Subjecting the family dog to your gross fetishes in the bathroom? Is that how he has worked to maintain a normal family life? Okay, keep going. It shows the price of power and fame is very high. But Christie invited this type of coverage by her actions at the Department of Homeland Security. So it's. It's actually Kristie's gnome's fault. According to this guy in town, it's Kristi Noem's fault that her husband is out doing this, and it's her fault that it's getting the coverage. You don't think that this news would have been covered if she wasn't the former DHS secretary? If the husband of a former governor gets outed as a cross dresser, it's making the news regardless of what she's doing or what she was doing with ICE and dhs, there's. Or any criticism that she might have gotten from that work, this, that has nothing to do with it. The media would be all over the story. And I don't, I, I don't know how well Brian was doing to make sure they had a normal life despite all of this. It seems like he was doing the exact opposite. And I do wonder because it's been rumored now and almost like the rumor has been going on for so long that I think people have just sort of like they've known this as truth, that Christine Ohm and Corey Lewandowski has, have been, you know, together in some sort of way romantic. I don't know. And I was kind of wondering before the show today, what came first, the affair or the balloon boobs? You know, did the balloon boobs cause the affair or did the affair cause the balloon boobs? What do you guys think in the chat? Was it affair first and then balloon boobs or vice versa? Because I think if you see your husband dressing up like this, you could, you know, be in the market for a real man, and maybe that would prompt you to step out on your marriage. Not that I agree with that. I, I think that cheating is always wrong. And I don't know why they're still married, but whatever, that's their business. Is that what caused her to step out on the marriage, or did she cheat on him and then he just spiraled? I don't know. People are saying boobs first, boobs first, boobs first, affair second. No correlation. Maybe, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they were just both, you know, doing this, separate of each other. People in the chat are saying boobs came first. You don't come, you don't become crazy overnight. Okay, boobs, then cheating. I kind of tend to agree. Balloon boobs first. I, I, I think I agree with everyone. So, anyway, unfortunately, the media has asked the President to weigh in on all of this. And it's a weird timeline that we're living in that the President has to weigh in on balloon boobs and affair. But President Trump said this. They confirmed it. Question mark. Wow. Well, I feel badly for the family if that's the case. That's too bad. I haven't seen anything. I don't know anything about it. That's too bad. But I just know nothing about it. That was President Trump's take on all of this, and that's really the only take that you can have. This was his very PR trained answer. Not that President Trump is very PR trained, but I think he knew not to step in this one. He wasn't going to get involved. And it's just, it's a, it's a nice, safe answer to just say I've never heard. I don't know anything about this. I'm sorry for the family, but I don't know anything about this. So, yeah, I, I don't condone cheating or stepping out on a marriage, but it seems like this union is totally doomed. The bimbification fetish stuff is weird, the affair is wrong, but, you know, I can't figure out why they're still married. Maybe they think that it'll look badly if they get married, but, you know, with all this stuff, stuff going on, I mean, what's worse, right? So I'm assuming this news story will soft launch their divorce. I, I can't imagine them staying together throughout this now, but I don't know. Stranger things have happened. So, and this story is very strange, but I, I really can't imagine the kind of betrayal that this brings in a relationship. I think you marry someone and there's always a fear like, do I really know this person? Or you even start to date someone. Like, when do you really know someone? Is there something about this person that they're hiding? Or do people change throughout the years? And do you grow together or do you grow apart? And this is a growing apart that is beyond the average person's experience. Like, people can get new hobbies and things like that, but getting into these weird fetishes and things like that, and even know, transgenderism, cross dressing, things like this, that is such a huge betrayal. That is not the person that you agreed to marry. And, you know, in sickness and in health and, and all these things, I think that you should try to do your very best to remain together. But, you know, if you are a woman and you agree to marry a man who then decides to, you know, transition, for example, that is not at all what you signed up for, and that is not at all in, in line with biblical teaching or, or anything like that. So I would feel like you were justified in, in ending that relationship. And I feel the same way about Kris Jenner and Bruce Jenner. You know, Bruce Jenner, iconic Olympian and an athlete and, and sort of this manly man. And then he decides to go transition and become Caitlyn. And I couldn't imagine remaining in love with that person and, and married to that person when they're, they don't even associate with the person that they used to be. You know, trans people call it their dead name. Like, oh, that's my dead name. Like that person is dead and gone now. And I remember when Bruce Jenner was transitioning and coming out to the family. I mean, he was very flippant with his family's feelings. They were very upset about it and rightfully confused and they were grieving the loss of Bruce because Bruce was acting like Bruce never existed and that he was Caitlyn all along. So I, I feel deeply sorry for women who go through this and even men who go through this. But it's just, it's three to one. It's way more common for men to transition to women than, than vice versa. But I really can't imagine being betrayed in a marriage like that. And apparently it's becoming more popular. Husbands transitioning, even ones who are politically conservative. I'm, you know, not going to name names, but I do know someone in my personal life. I actually know two people that I haven't been in contact with for very many years, but I have since found out that they have transitioned and it was both men transitioning to women. And it's just when you hear about it, it's like, what really? And one of them is a dad, a dad with a family and, and daughters. And it's just, you know, it makes you think like, how, how does this happen? But this next woman has gone viral on TikTok and she is telling the story about how her husband, a politically conservative army soldier, started painting his toes, cross dressing and then fully transitioning and leaving the marriage. Watch.

[Chat Participant 2]

This man had never done anything like this. We had gone and gotten like pedicures together. But again, like a lot of men actually do get pedicures and take care of their foot and on base and he hiked all the time, was in boots and all these things. And so other than that though, like he had never paint his nails, he'd never expressed anything like wanting to do that. He was always very like masculine and these just testosterone filled jobs very much played that role of the manly man and supported some ideologies and political things that were very much on that end that we would kind of go back and forth on because I'm, I'm not, I'm more on like the like liberal feminist type side of things. Obviously I'd always been a career woman, all these things, although I did fulfill the household role of taking that on as a wife. So I kind of was that, you know, mix of like religion and what I've been taught and taking care of the home and supporting him, but also still having my own career. A little bit of a dichotomy I guess. But anyway, then he goes, and then I wanted to feel a little sexy and shows me that he's wearing my sports bra and underwear. And I flipped out and I basically said, what the hell, Go figure out what's going on. Pack your bags, this is not you. And I just cried in my room because I just knew there was this huge shift coming. And then over the next couple of weeks, he started to find a therapist. And I just remember laying in bed together and him being like, I'm so scared. I'm so scared. What if I'm actually a trans woman? Like, what if this is really what I am? And so then, yeah, after a couple weeks of therapy, we were actually on the way to a family reunion. And on the drive from the airport up to the family reunion house, he came out and officially said, I'm a trans woman. And so that was very hard because we're at a family reunion with all my family. I'm trying to cope with this. We sell a one and a two year old during that family reunion. Actually, I remember starting my first postpartum period and him making a comment about him basically being jealous about that. And I flipped out on him and said some very mean things. And it was just not a great start to anything. And it was really hard, but we were hiding it so well. And my family was actually complimenting us on how well we were communicating and how we'd come so far in our marriage. We were doing so good, which is why she felt so safe coming out because we were in such a good place. But then we also were in this really, really hard place. So, yeah, that's kind of the story of it all. It was very, very hard and just such a shock. And I had no idea. And I mean, I think she didn't even have an idea. So.

[Haley Carnegie]

Yeah, so a lot of people in the chat are saying that it's the wife's fault and that the wife working made the husband trans. Do you know how many men would be trans? Because you know how many women work now? Like everyone just if you're, if your wife works, you're automatically like emasculated or something.

[Chat Participant 3]

Florida is a sample size. I would say most everyone I know down here works.

[Haley Carnegie]

I only know one. One of my friends is a stay at home mom. All of the rest of my friends work and most of them make more money than their husbands. That's just my experience. And that's not to say that their husbands aren't supermanly and they are masculine and you know all of those things, like, they're not, it's not like my friends married beta bitch boys. They haven't. But I don't know if I would necessarily blame the woman. Actually, I think I remembered another video. She did say that she was conservative. I think she's walking it back. I think she deleted the other one and posted this one. I think that maybe she's maybe more moderate, I guess. But regardless of her political leanings, the man who transitioned was conservative, or so she says. And I don't. And I'm assuming, you know, Christy Gnome's husband is conservative politically. And I don't really know how much that has to do with it now. I think this is a really weird phenomenon that we're seeing. And like, I don't know, like, how, how much can you blame the, the spouse when you're the one doing it? Like, why, what would the, what, what did the wife do that made her husband try on her underwear? I don't know. Like, I'm, again, I'm not trying to, like, I'm not trying to play devil's advocate here. I'm just, I don't understand like, the correlation. Like everyone is, you know, blaming the wife in the chat, but I don't understand, like, what did she do wrong?

[Chat Participant 1]

There's got to be some kind of predisposition because there's gotta be situation that I can imagine where this, it's not

[Haley Carnegie]

like your wife works and all of a sudden you're like, I gotta try on her underwear. Like there is, you know, this is just like a slippery slope that. I think there's other issues at play here. But yeah, it's ah, it's just very, Very concerning place that we're at in our society. I, I don't know why this keeps happening, but it starts to, it seems to start with cross dressing. And I think a lot of male to female transitions are sexual fetishes. And then they just take it to an extreme. So I don't know if you know, Byron, Byron Gnome is going to go to that extreme, but it's very interesting. I don't know if it's a way to cope with being gay or closeted and they think that dressing as a woman because they're attracted to women or they want to convince themselves of that, or they want to transition to a woman so that they can date men and it therefore wouldn't be gay. But I'm with President Trump. I feel very sorry for the family. I, I can't imagine how hard this is on all of Them. And yeah, apparently trans people are out here and they are tricking people into dating the straights.

[Chat Participant 1]

This is the big conversation that society has been having forever. Liberals are like, it doesn't affect you. Why do you care? No, it.

[Haley Carnegie]

No, it actually can affect you.

[Chat Participant 1]

Visibly detrimental to society, and people are getting hurt because of it. Normalizing this is obviously not a good thing.

[Haley Carnegie]

Not the. Not the way to go. So this is a woman, and I don't know. I'm assuming she's liberal, but I don't know. But she was dating a trans person unknowingly. She claims. Watch.

[Woman Dating Trans Person]

I've been in a relationship with someone for a few months and I found out from someone else that they are trans. I've been friends with this man for a couple of years. It happened by accident, like I said. I found out a little more than a week ago from someone else. And he basically said that there was going to be a time and a place for him to tell me and that this wasn't who he was anymore. So he didn't want to introduce himself that way. I don't think. I can't say for certain because I wasn't given the choice, but I don't think it would have bothered me if I knew, but I didn't know. In some moments, I feel like this was just a man doing what a man does, putting himself first and deciding to either lie or not lie, but omit. Maybe she wasn't lying because he knew if he told me, the truth might not work out well for him. And some moments I feel like that, and other moments I feel like I'm responding too strongly to this and it's not that big of a deal. I don't really know. It's just really, really messing with me.

[Haley Carnegie]

Yeah, this is obviously messing with you. I don't know how this can happen. I don't know how you can go on a date with someone that you think is a man and they aren't, or vice versa. I can almost always tell that someone is trans. Even if they get, you know, hair extensions and facial feminization surgery, I still think that they look manly. You know, they can shave down their jaw and their chin and whatever. But, you know, they still, for a little while, you know, they are growing facial hair and. And I could always usually tell in their voice. They kind of have, like, it sounds like a gay voice kind of. Because I don't know. I don't think I could. I don't think anyone could trick me into going on a date with a A woman that is now a man. But I just don't think that I would be fooled. But I guess it happens. But you have to ask, like, how do you. How does this happen?

[Chat Participant 3]

I do have to say I feel bad for this lady. Like, throughout the whole video, she's just like. It's really, like, messed with me. It's me. Like, it's clearly. It is like, yes. On her soul.

[Haley Carnegie]

Yeah. And honestly, it's. It's two betrayals because they betray you by, you know, quite literally, you know, betraying your eyes. And, you know, they present as this other person, but then they don't tell you. So it's sort of this double whammy where, okay, I trusted this person, and now they didn't even tell me this thing about them. And, you know, she claimed in the video that, well, he didn't want to tell her about the past because he didn't really associate with the past anymore. And it's like, okay, but that's an important thing. When you're getting into romantic and maybe a physical relationship, which she says that they did become intimate. That's a whole other thing. I don't know how you can be fooled. But then again, I don't know. You gotta check to see if they have scars here. You gotta check to see if they have scars here and scars here.

[Chat Participant 3]

There's a lot in that video. But, yeah, yeah.

[Haley Carnegie]

Someone in the chat said, check the hands. Yeah, you can't. You can't make man hands feminine. I don't know how you would do that. I guess you put fake nails on or something. But I don't know how you could do this is just very confusing to me. But another relationship betrayal that has gone viral is called Alpine Divorces. Watch this. It says pov. You go on a hike with him in the mountains, but he leaves you alone by yourself. And you realize he never liked you to begin with. Think about, you know, do not go,

[Vince Colonnades]

I hate him so much.

[Haley Carnegie]

Feel so terrible. The worst Saturday of my life. I could have been at home. So this video has 4.6 million likes, 28 million views. So this is a massively viral video. And interestingly enough, a lot of people in the comment section are saying that they've had similar experiences. This is not a one off. And now it is called Alpine Divorce. It happens enough that there is apparently a support group for survivors. Apparently this is mostly when men abandon the women they are with on some sort of an outdoor activity. Doesn't need to be a romantic partner. But the New York Post did an article about a woman who is with one of her platonic male friends who did this to her and left her behind when she was experiencing altitude sickness. He didn't want to slow down and wait for her, so he left her and went ahead. And she couldn't keep up, so she trailed behind. And all of a sudden she was, you know, left to her own devices in the wilderness. And she ended up getting help from other people who came after her and had food and water and helped her back down to her car. And when she reconnected with her male friend, he said, I was just testing you. And that seems like a very mean thing to do to someone. If I was going on a hike with a total stranger, and let me just say, this would never happen to me because I'm not doing this. I don't like going on hikes. I don't like doing stuff in the wilderness. It's just not. I like to do safe activities. And at this point in my life, I'm just not as reckless as I used to be. And this time, to me, there are so many things that can go wrong. I don't know if anyone has seen the documentary missing 41 1, but it's a fascinating documentary if you haven't seen it. And it kind of gets into, like, conspiracy mode with skinwalkers and stuff. But there is a map of the tunnel system and the mountain ranges in the United States, and it almost perfectly overlaps with the missing persons cases in the United States. There are so many people that go missing while they are on mountain ranges. And also, I think people who are murderers might use this to their advantage also to hide bodies. So for many different reasons, it's. It's very. This is very dangerous. It's a dangerous activity. It is a dangerous hobby. And unless you know exactly what you're doing, this could end very poorly for you. So this is just very scary. It's not a hobby that I'd be picking up anytime soon.

[Chat Participant 3]

And not to make light of it, but we're in the booth here talking through logistics of leaving someone out in the woods.

[Haley Carnegie]

Like, how are they sprinting away?

[Chat Participant 3]

You know, like, that feels like, how comical.

[Haley Carnegie]

How do they get so far ahead? You'd have to be. And I think in this story that they told in the New York Post, she was experiencing altitude sickness, so maybe she was really not doing well and couldn't physically keep up. So that.

[Chat Participant 3]

So bogus makes sense.

[Haley Carnegie]

But I think any person, like, even if I was with a stranger, this is the point I was trying to make before this is another human being, that. Not that you're responsible for their life, but wouldn't you, if something bad happened to someone and you were the last person to see them, and especially if you are friends with this person, wouldn't you want to get them help? Like that just seems like a. You. You'd have to be a very narcissistic and mean person to want to leave. Anyone who is experiencing any kind of trouble in the wilderness, it just at least call for help or at least, you know, do something. But it just seems very strange that someone would do this. And according to how viral this went, and all of these thousands of comments, I mean, this happens. This isn't something that, you know, only happened once. So just very scary. And last month, actually an Austrian court convicted a man of gross negligent manslaughter after he left his girlfriend to freeze to death on a mountain last January. And this is the extreme of the situation because you could leave someone and they could find their way back, thankfully, or you leave someone to maybe test them or because they were holding you back or whatever, and then they die. And again, it. Wouldn't you be strapped with that guilt for the rest of your life? Like, I didn't do what I needed to do as a friend or a boyfriend or a wife or a girlfriend or whatever. I mean, someone in the chat said, with friends like that, you don't need enemies. I agree. I mean, even if it is a strange person, just like human being to human being, I just think that this is such a mean thing to do. And psychologists are weighing in on this trend and saying that this is the almost extreme version of. Of feeling abandonment in a relationship. And the psychologist in the New York Post article said that sometimes dire circumstances, like when you were out in the wilderness, wilderness, fending for yourself, it's sort of a life or death situation. Those kinds of situations can illuminate the state of a relationship. You might be in love with someone and then they leave you like this, and you are realizing, oh, that is not the person I want to spend the rest of my life with. My future husband or my future wife would never leave me in that situation. So, yeah, I just. This was just fascinating. I couldn't. Couldn't imagine it. But last thing that I want to get to today is this new. This new dating app that allows you to send a drink to someone without ever having to talk to them. And we are just getting so antisocial as a society that I think that this can't Be good. But New Yorkers can buy someone a drink without ever talking to them thanks to a new app with a 20,000 person wait list. And it is called Dion the app, if you are interested, if you are interested in accepting drinks without having to speak with someone or sending drinks without having to speak with someone, you can join that $20,000. I'm sorry, 20,000 person wait list. And it doesn't have to be alcohol. You can send coffee or non alcoholic drinks as well. So people might use this app for networking purposes as well as dating. And the app's co founder said that she was inspired to create this app when she tried to send a bottle of champagne to a friend's birthday dinner. She couldn't show up to the dinner, but she wanted to do something nice and the restaurant didn't follow through with the payment. So she said after that situation, oh, there should be an app for this. Being able to send someone a drink without being there physically. And they also have an option to flip through Dion's user categories. So on the app you can sign up and there are different categories for technology, fashion, finance, real estate. So it mimics a dating app. So it's sort of a dating app mixed with networking app. It's like Bumble and LinkedIn had a baby. And then you throw in like a sugar daddy aspect into this. Because I know that there are going to be women that just join this because they want free drinks without having to talk to someone. But it includes like, you sign up, you make a profile. It has your photo, short bio, and then your drink of choice. So if I made a profile, I could put my photo, you know, hey, I'm a podcast host. I, you know, like long walks on the beach or whatever. And you know, my drink of choice is a dirty martini. And then people could just pay to send me a drink. And it's not as, it's not just like they send you $5 or $10 or $15 or $20, and it's sort of like Venmo. So it just goes into this like pool of money. But that's not it. It's. They have partners with the app that partner with restaurants and bars in the area. So if a user sends a drink, they can redeem it at a specific app partner bar. So they go to a certain bar that's affiliated with the app and then they can go pick it up. It's weird.

[Chat Participant 3]

Would you like to send a girl a drink ticket?

[Haley Carnegie]

It's just weird. Like I honestly, I wouldn't even really want this, it's buying your way into someone's heart without the in person interaction. Like, I don't want to just accept a drink from someone. I don't mind a stranger buying me a drink. And then we talk and chat and it's nice. Or maybe we're chatting to begin with and it's like, hey, what are you drinking? I think that that's the normal way to go about this. They're just creating a dating world and a networking world in which you really never have to speak with someone face to face and it is detrimental to society.

[Chat Participant 1]

I've been sitting here listening to you describe this and I still can't wrap my head around the use case for this. I don't know what problem this solves or who would ever seek to hold drink.

[Haley Carnegie]

Antisocial weirdos.

[Chat Participant 1]

What does it even get?

[Chat Participant 3]

Like?

[Chat Participant 1]

Does it get them a video or a conversation?

[Haley Carnegie]

No, it doesn't get.

[Chat Participant 1]

No, it's like even more useless than donating to Twitch streamers, right?

[Haley Carnegie]

I think you can get a drink and then people are maybe incentivized to then match and speak. Like, oh, they bought me a drink. Now I'll chat with them on this app. Or hey, like I, I want to work at this network or I want to work at this company. Let me find the CEO on Dion and then send them a coffee. And then it's like, could you imagine

[Chat Participant 1]

if I was the CEO? Like, I don't want your champagne.

[Haley Carnegie]

Go away forever.

[Chat Participant 1]

Right?

[Haley Carnegie]

So then that begs the question, who is joining this app? And I think it's going to be girls who want free drinks and, and guys who want to send money to girls. So it's basically like only fans and it's going to be one of like, it's like a sugar daddy app. This is my, this is my take on it. I think this is going to be the wrong kinds of girls and the wrong kinds of guys that end up using this app. It's not going to be for its intended purpose. It's not going to be successful in the way that they think where it's making romantic or professional connections. It's going to be people who want free shit and people who want to like spoil someone. It's just going to be like creepy.

[Chat Participant 3]

Edible Arrangements was way ahead of its time.

[Haley Carnegie]

Way, way ahead of its time. But then, you know, I guess, well, again, they're, to Justin's point, they're creating a solution for something that wasn't a problem. It's only a problem for people who don't want to speak in real life, if you send someone an edible Arrangement or a flower arrangement or something, someone's going to say, hey, thank you there. You send them a note. Hey, thinking about you, sympathy, whatever. And then someone's going to say, hey, thank you for sending me the flowers. Okay, now you're talking, right?

[Chat Participant 1]

Imaginably, you knew the person before, though. This is like, I've never sent a. I've never even heard of edible arrangements being sent to randos. I've only sent it family or people you know. Exactly.

[Haley Carnegie]

Yeah. So again, it's just like taking out the personal relationship.

[Chat Participant 1]

They just go to, like, ABC and order it to someone else's house and be like, hey, guys, I sent you a bottle of wine.

[Haley Carnegie]

This is like walking down the street and slipping a $20 bill into someone's back pocket. That's exactly what it is. It's like, hey. And then it's like, oh, like, what are you doing there? I just wanted to give you something.

[Chat Participant 2]

What?

[Haley Carnegie]

And then hoping that they, like, turn around and see you and hoping that

[Chat Participant 1]

the catch, like, Nope, just. Just 20 bucks.

[Haley Carnegie]

It's so weird. And I.

[Chat Participant 3]

The cars down, like, in Nashville. Like, the cars that write their venmos on their windshield, like, we're going downtown.

[Haley Carnegie]

I'm so glad. I am so glad that you brought this up, because I am planning my friend's bachelorette right now, and I was thinking, I'm not going to do something like that, because I see especially in Nashville, it's huge in Nashville. But really, everywhere now, people on bachelorettes, they have Venmo QR codes that they make tattoos out of or stickers. Then they put the sticker on the back of the bathroom thing, and then it's like, okay, so this person's bachelorette was, you know, three years ago. Are people still sending money to it? If I ever see a bachelorette thing written on someone's car, Venmo us, blah, blah, blah. I'm going to charge them $100.

[Chat Participant 1]

Request it.

[Haley Carnegie]

I'm going to request $100. It's just stupid. But, yeah, to your point, that's exactly it. It's just giving money to people that you don't have to talk to. And I find that dating apps in general are very dehumanizing because people don't think of it as a real person behind the profile.

[Vince Colonnades]

They.

[Haley Carnegie]

And I think that this is going to sort of be a similar thing where I think on dating apps, it's like, okay, this is just like a 2D version of this person. So it's more likely that you can cancel on them, you can ghost them, not answer them, whatever. Because it's like, oh, well, that's just the profile. You haven't met the person yet. And it also takes away the risk of asking someone, hey, can I buy you a drink? And they say, no, I have a boyfriend or no, I'm not interested or whatever. I. On a dating app, you, you already know that this person is single. You already know that they're attracted to you back because they, well, you know, if, if these people are morally sound. But you know, you know that this person, if you do match, you already know that they like you. They already know that they are interested in a conversation. So this is like very post me too era, I think where it's. You want the interaction without the risk. And I just don't think that this is going to be productive at all.

[Chat Participant 1]

Risk only exists because that you are even have the chance of getting something out of it. Like buying the drink from across the bar. And then you wave, one of the bartender says, oh, he bought.

[Haley Carnegie]

Oh, he bought it. Yeah. And it's like, oh. And then you go over and you say, hey, thank you.

[Chat Participant 1]

Yeah, okay, ignore. Goodbye. Thanks for the champion.

[Haley Carnegie]

Right? Thanks for the drink. And then it's like not going to talk to you anymore. So that's what I'm saying. Like the types of women that are going to sign up for this are just in it for the free drinks. And men will argue that women are like that anyway. Like there are women that will go on dates for free meals. I can tell you that. Like I am not in it for that. I. It's way easier for me to make meals at home. But then I don't have to get ready. I can just eat in my sweatpants. But yeah, I guess there are women out there that do that. They are in it for a free drink or a free meal. And again, those are the kinds of women that are going to be on it. So anyway, we. I promise we're going to get to scrolling time tomorrow. We. I just keep yapping. I prepared much less for the show today too and I still didn't leave time for it. So anyway, I promise we will get to it tomorrow and thank you for scrolling along with me. I had fun. You could follow me on social media at Haley Caranilla and I'll be right back here tomorrow. Bye. Vince Colonnades is redefining News Talk.

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