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Co-hosts Dr Eoin Ryan and Professor Shumone Ray are joined by Dr Kathy Martyn and Ben Atkinson to explore the evolving conversation around ultra-processed foods (UPFs), moving beyond simplified narratives to examine the evidence, limitations, and real-world implications. While high consumption of UPFs is associated with poorer health outcomes, the discussion highlights important nuances, including the role of food processing in safety, affordability, and nutritional adequacy. The panel also reflects on the challenges of current classifications and the risk of creating confusion or unnecessary fear among the public.

Shifting the focus from individual foods to overall dietary patterns, the conversation emphasises practicality, balance, and accessibility. Rather than promoting rigid guidelines, the speakers explore more realistic approaches, including small behavioural “nudges”, community-based learning, and adapting meals within everyday constraints. Ultimately, the episode calls for a more inclusive and pragmatic approach to healthy eating, one that reflects how people actually live, shop, and eat.

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