1885 - "Adult Day Care"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1885: "Adult Day Care"

Date: July 12, 2026
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Overview

The episode opens on the news of Senator Lindsey Graham's sudden death and, as always, dives into sharp media deconstruction and political analysis. Adam and John discuss the narratives around Graham's passing, speculation on causes, and implications for U.S. politics, weaving seamlessly into current events: U.S.-Iran tensions, election intrigue, media coverage, the "merger" of U.S. and Israeli military interests, and the state of modern news broadcasting. The episode maintains No Agenda's trademark blend of skeptical humor, technical detail, and cultural critique.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Senator Lindsey Graham’s Death

Timestamps: 00:00–13:25

• Breaking News & Media Reporting:
  • John C. Dvorak reacts to news of Graham's death and the ambiguous official language—a "brief and sudden illness."
  • They satirize media and political responses, highlighting the euphemistic style of reporting.
• Speculation & Theories:
  • Adam: "If he dies after that… they let it slide to the election or something." (01:25)
  • The hosts explore possible causes: foul play ("the pricker"), geopolitics (Iran, Russia, China), and vaccine side effects, but land on the likeliest explanation as genetics—Graham’s father died of heart failure at 68.
• Memorable Quote:
  • Adam: "It was genetics, plain and simple." (04:29)
• Implications:
  • Discussion about Kentucky’s Democratic governor potentially appointing Graham's replacement and the strategic political timing involved.

2. Warmongering, U.S. Foreign Policy, & the Military Industrial Complex

Timestamps: 06:58–13:01

• Lindsey Graham’s Legacy:
  • Both hosts critique Graham’s hawkishness while noting media’s tendency to avoid speaking ill of the dead.
  • Adam: "[Graham] did represent the military industrial complex. As good as you can. As good as it gets." (07:56)
• Graham’s Final Trip to Ukraine:
  • Soundbites from Graham’s statements urging more military aid and increasing Ukraine’s "lethality" as a prescription for peace.

3. Trump–Iran–Israel Tensions & the ‘New 9/11’ Narrative

Timestamps: 13:31–22:21

• Trump’s Threats:
  • Trump’s Truth Social warning that "a thousand missiles are locked and loaded and aimed at the Islamic Republic of Iran," and escalation language: "Praise be to Allah." (15:50)
• Media Framing:
  • Discussion of public signs in Iran calling for Trump’s assassination, the sourcing of intelligence, and speculation about false flag provocations.
  • John: "A new 911 would be president Trump being assassinated and then Iran being blamed…" (19:00)
• Political Analysis:
  • Both explore the idea that Israel has an interest in provoking U.S. military action and frame the present situation in the language of manufactured consent and historical precedent.

4. American-Israeli Military & Intelligence ‘Merger’ Claims

Timestamps: 21:18–27:05

• Podcast & Alternative Media Discourse:
  • Reactions to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Section 224 and podcaster hyperbole about a “merger” of U.S. and Israeli military/intel agencies.
• Contextualization:
  • John: "We have the exact same agreements with Five Eyes, with Japan, with Australia, UK, AUKUS. This is not new." (25:30)
  • The hosts mock panic rhetoric and urge perspective, noting similar integration with other allies.
• Quote:
  • Adam: "The way this is being sold, we're not a sovereign nation. It's all over now. Israel controls us. No." (26:28)

5. Air Force One Scandal & Media Freedom

Timestamps: 31:18–40:49

• Security Reporting Fallout:
  • Reports on Air Force One’s alleged vulnerabilities, Qatar’s gifting of a new plane, and the Justice Department subpoenaing journalists over leaks.
• Media Critique:
  • Adam and John highlight the irony of U.S. media lamenting press freedom to the BBC and compare Trump’s handling to Obama’s history of prosecuting journalists.
• Quote:
  • John: "Obama was the worst for this, and there's never a mention." (33:49)

6. News Media Comparisons: The ‘Three by Three’ Experiment

Timestamps: 40:51–56:59

• Network News Show Openers:
  • Deep dive into CBS, NBC, and ABC news intros.
  • Analysis focuses on tone, pacing, "breaking news" tropes, story selection, and narrative manipulation.
• Consultant-Driven Television News:
  • Running commentary on how TV news chases ratings by foregrounding “breaking news,” regardless of actual news value.
• Memorable Exchange:
  • Adam: "ABC uses breaking news almost every show...they're number one." (54:49)

7. UFOs, The Department of Energy, and Coverups

Timestamps: 58:11–65:02

• Release of UAP Videos:
  • Brief commentary on newly declassified UFO videos, the lack of attention/interest compared to earlier periods, and skepticism at the quality of evidence.
• Department of Energy’s Role:
  • Adam shares anecdote about Area 51 being under DOE authority rather than the military:
    • "Area 51 belongs to the Department of Energy...I think they're trying to find some new way of, or anti-gravity or some form of energy." (64:45)
• Analysis:
  • John: "Everyone gave up on this story. Yeah, whatever. Another video…"

8. Apple Sues OpenAI & Industry Espionage

Timestamps: 65:03–71:36

• Corporate Espionage:
  • Discussion of Apple’s suit against OpenAI, echoing Silicon Valley’s cyclical history of intellectual property theft and the culture of "borrowing" among tech giants.
• On AI Data Centers and Infrastructure:
  • Commentary on the massive, potentially overhyped buildup of energy-intensive AI data centers. Trump suggests they become utility producers of distributed energy, which John credits as accidentally "genius."
• Skepticism on AI Investment Bubble:
  • CNBC’s warning on slow AI profit realization and possible economic fallout if expectations don’t materialize.

9. Palantir, Data Tracking, and the New Surveillance Discourse

Timestamps: 75:07–83:47

• Explaining Palantir:
  • Excerpt from Palantir CEO Alex Karp (2009), touting audit trails, predicate-based searches, and the company’s supposed respect for civil liberties.
• Skepticism of Public Narratives:
  • Adam: "The general consensus…is that Palantir is just a horrible machine…to track everybody and kill you." John notes the dual nature—surveillance and internal transparency—of their platform.

10. Whitney Webb, Candace Owens & Grifter Culture in Podcasting

Timestamps: 83:48–87:54

• Danger of Charisma & Misinformation:
  • Adam and John critique popular independent media figures for style-over-substance presentations and spreading dubious or exaggerated claims with persuasive delivery.
• Media Personality Analysis:
  • Whitney Webb, Candace Owens, Kiriakou, and others discussed as examples of grifting and strategic use of narrative “face” for credibility.

11. Podcast Cringe: Mainstream News Clipping Podcasts Out of Context

Timestamps: 88:04–91:08

• Joe Rogan Taken Out of Context:
  • ABC uses out-of-context quote from Joe Rogan to imply he's dismayed with Trump, leading John and Adam to bemoan shallow, agenda-driven citations of podcasts in the media.

12. Patriot Front & The Use of Political ‘Ops’

Timestamps: 102:21–109:51

• Suspicion about Patriot Front Coverage:
  • Adam details inquiries into the white nationalist group, noting the lack of verifiable grassroots ties among listeners, suggesting the group may be an "op," with its recent media appearances expertly amplified.

13. The State of Socialism & Political Prospects

Timestamps: 116:58–124:48

• Satirical Analysis:
  • Adam and John lampoon socialist seminar rhetoric, utopian blueprints, and the persistent gap between theory and practice.
• Possible 2028 Election Candidates:
  • Discussion turns to future prospects: Rubio, JD Vance, AOC, Bashir. Rubio's "presidential-style speech" receives particular attention (110:27).

14. Personal and Listener Engagement

Timestamps: 131:33–140:46

• Value-for-Value Pitch:
  • The show reiterates its business model, audience support, and the importance of recurring donations; praises on-air and local business participation.
• Listener Community:
  • Meetup reports, stories of producer-generated value, and ongoing inside jokes and traditions (e.g., "explosive diarrhea" as meme news headline fodder).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Graham’s Death & Media:

  • "The conspiracy theorists are false fun to listen to, but there’s no point. It was genetics, plain and simple." – Adam, 04:29

• On Military Rhetoric:

  • "The formula to stop this war is let Ukraine be more lethal. Sounds like a plan." – John, 11:38

• On Trump’s Iran Threats:

  • "Trump ends that post with Praise be to Allah." – Adam, 15:50

• On Consultant TV News Tactics:

  • "ABC uses breaking news almost every show…they’re number one." – Adam, 54:49

• On UFO Officialdom:

  • "At this time there is no single video, image, or data that indicates a non-human origin." – Avi Loeb (summarized), 61:22

• On Social Security vs. Australia’s Superannuation:

  • "But we continue to just put money into the S&P 500…unlike Social Security, which is just a big loser for everybody, you know." – John, 98:44

• On Podcasting’s Impact:

  • "Podcasting, I’m glad. Glad we invented that. It’s good stuff…It really is moving culture forward." – Adam, 87:54

• On Value-for-Value:

  • "We don’t actually make you smarter, but you’ll feel smarter." – Adam, 131:33

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Episode Structure & Flow

• Opener: Immediate dive into Lindsey Graham’s death; skepticism about media narratives and political implications.
• Politics & Foreign Policy: Moves through state of the Senate, the national security state, Trump’s posturing with Iran, and Israeli interests.
• Media Critique: TV news analysis, network strategies, ‘breaking news’ as an empty device, and the podcast's own deconstruction methods.
• Technology & Surveillance: Corporate espionage, AI, Palantir, UFO disclosure.
• Culture & Community: Value-for-value, meetups, audience engagement, in-jokes, and podcasting’s role in shaping independent media.

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:00–13:25: Lindsey Graham’s death & speculation
• 13:31–22:21: Trump–Iran–Israel escalation & narrative management
• 21:18–27:05: U.S.–Israel military integration hype
• 40:51–56:59: The "Three by Three" TV news opens experiment
• 58:11–65:02: UFO videos, the DOE, and energy conspiracy
• 65:03–71:36: Apple vs. OpenAI & the AI utility grid idea
• 75:07–83:47: Palantir transparency & surveillance
• 88:04–91:08: Podcast quotes hijacked by legacy news
• 102:21–109:51: Patriot Front, media ops & skepticism
• 116:58–124:48: Socialist "revolution," satire, and future U.S. presidential possibilities
• 131:33 onward: Value-for-value, credits, listener engagement

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Tone & Style

• Irreverent, skeptical, and sardonic; mocks media conventions, political grandstanding, and conspiracist thinking while offering deep, technical context.
• Conversational but incisive: Adam and John trade quips, stories, and jabs, always circling back to meta-critique of information, power, and narrative.
• Collective engagement: Frequent references to community, in-group jokes, and producer participation (meetups, donations, artwork).

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Recommended Sections for First-Time Listeners

• Lindsey Graham’s Death & Media Spin (00:00–06:45)
• Three-by-Three News Analysis (40:51–56:59)
• Trump–Iran–Israel Segment (13:31–22:21)
• Palantir & Surveillance (75:07–83:47)
• Podcast Value-for-Value Model (131:33–132:42)
• Listener Engagement & Community (162:22–166:03)

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For the full No Agenda media deconstruction experience, listen between the lines: it's not just the news, but how and why the news is made, spun, and sold.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

30 tons.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak and Sunday, July 12, 2026. This is your award winning Gimmon Nation media assassination episode 1885. This is no agenda, RIP Lady G. We're sad. And we're broadcasting live from the swanky southern district of Amsterdam, the Netherlands. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, where we're all wondering who killed Linda Z. Graham. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Crackbot and Buzz in the Morning. You know, it was a little bit of a shock to me. I'm sure everyone had that feeling like, this is not the guy we're all waiting for. Mitch McConnell, the croak. Sorry.

[Adam Curry]

If I put it that way, Mitch McConnell may have been dead for weeks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, exactly. We don't even know that.

[Adam Curry]

They have to keep that a secret because of the politics of Kentucky, which is run by a Democrat governor. And if he dies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, then a Democrat gets to. Then the governor gets to put in whoever he wants. Is that how it works?

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no, man.

[Adam Curry]

So they have to. So they keep that under wraps. Everyone's. Oh, I've had a long chat with him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, 20 minutes.

[Adam Curry]

I had a long chat with him. He's doing great. And so there's some deadline where after, I think August 15th, some. At some point in August, maybe it's the first. At some point in August.

[John C. Dvorak]

They can't.

[Adam Curry]

If he dies after that, then they, they have to do it. They have. They let it slide to the election or something. Oh, along those lines. So they're worried sick. They're gonna.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's gonna be. Oh, that makes so much sense because I was wondering, I hadn't considered Kentucky. I didn't know Kentucky had a Democrat governor.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Bashir, the famous Beshear Bashir.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. Well, so when I heard this very early here, most people were asleep, probably. And it's always great how many people think I don't know that Lindsey Graham died. My goodness, everybody. In case you hadn't heard. Case you hadn't heard, I appreciate it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they figure you're in Europe, not news in Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. No one here cares. But I do, because for as much as we laughed about them, you know, Lady G, Lindy Hop, I think at one point we even had a trigger warning. Didn't we have a Lindsey Graham trigger warning?

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember Lindsey Graham trigger warning. But let me see, it would be something we'd.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have the view. Trigger warning. I'm sure we had a Let me see. Lindsay or Lind. I'll bet you we had that. Or would it be Graham? I looked for end of show mixes.

[Adam Curry]

Graham.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, here we go. I do.

[Adam Curry]

Listen. I believe in a one China policy, but I would be willing to fight for Taiwan. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not quite a trigger warning.

[Adam Curry]

Not quite.

[John C. Dvorak]

It says trigger warning, but it wasn't. It wasn't what I thought.

[Adam Curry]

So there's the way I'm looking at it, this is a possibility. I mean, we know about the pricker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And these different ways you can induce a heart attack. And. And so the suspects, if he was killed, would be. It could be Iran, it could be Russia, it could be China. Based on that last clip you just played, it also could be the vax.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

It's so obvious, and in my opinion, it was genetics.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I can't believe that you missed the obvious.

[Adam Curry]

Which is what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Exploding microphone? Come on.

[Adam Curry]

The genetics is the key. That's not. No one's discussing genetics. His dad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

As a former hospital patient in the heart wards, the thing, they keep coming around. Do you have any heart disease in your family? In your family? Your mom, your dad, blah, blah. They go on and they make a big fuss about it. Lindsey Graham's father died of heart failure at 68.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. That will do it, wouldn't it?

[Adam Curry]

And that's Occam's razor. That's the easiest explanation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, we'd all like to think he was killed by the Iranians who had, you know, headed out for him, but no.

[John C. Dvorak]

To what end, though? To what end? Like, as a message, somehow? What would the point be?

[Adam Curry]

There would be no point.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you don't claim it, there's no

[Adam Curry]

point in killing Lindsey Graham.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, the conspiracy theorists are false fun to listen to, but there's no point. It was genetics, plain and simple.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm with you. I'm with you. I saw him, his last appearance there with Zelensky, and he didn't look that great. He looked a little more stoked.

[Adam Curry]

He's tired. He flew to Ukraine and back. Yeah, that guy's beat himself up. I'm surprised he got to 71.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, anyway, here's just so we have it on record, one of the first reports that came out at this hour, we have just learned in the last few moments that Senator Lindsey Graham from the state of South Carolina has died at the age of 71. His staff said in a brief statement posted to social media just late tonight that the senator suffered from a brief illness and then passed away. This was this, this, by the way, was annoying. A brief and sudden illness. I mean, couldn't they just say heart attack? I mean, we know that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, later this morning, I noticed as the reports came in, the later ones, just before the show, they all talked about cardiac arrest.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, because someone heard that on the police scanner. That's what that was.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that makes a little more sense than a sudden illness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah. Well, that's. Why, why can't you say had a heart attack? I mean, why, why so cryptic about a sudden and brief and sudden illness? Well, I guess technically.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that was the, that was the press release. That's the problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that was from his office.

[Adam Curry]

That's where that came from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. From his office.

[Adam Curry]

That was odd.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, why, why don't you say he.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's annoying.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's annoying. It's annoying.

[Adam Curry]

It's annoying. Yeah. Minimal.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I die of a heart attack, tell everybody it was the Russian pricker right away. Put out a good release.

[Adam Curry]

Well, definitely.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here's. I got a couple of shorties here from cnn.

[Adam Curry]

We're learning that longtime Republican Senator Lindsey Graham has passed away. His office says he died on Saturday night after what they call a brief and sudden illness. The statement says Graham's family is asking for privacy at this time. He represented the state of South Carolina in the U.S. congress since 1995. Let's bring in CNN's Alex Michelson. Anchor of the story is. Alex, you are on the west coast there. How are you processing this news that has just come in? The shocking death of a senator who had just been in Ukraine and had just met with the Ukrainian president. And now we're learning he has died.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love that he was just in Ukraine and now he'. How, how, how do you, what, what are you, what are you feeling? What is, what is this, how are you feeling in this moment there so this coming out of nowhere, nowhere that Lindsey Graham, one of the most important and influential voices in the United States Senate for many years now. This is what's kind of sickening. I mean, we'll, we'll be honest about it. We were kind of annoyed by Lindsey Graham. He was a warmonger. He always wanted to bomb everything. He wanted to kill everybody. He seemed to like killing. And somehow we had affection for him. But, you know, but I don't hear many people just coming out and saying, hey, man, he was kind of a crazy warmonger. You know what I mean?

[Adam Curry]

No, they're not going to do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, why not? Why wouldn't they? One of the most influential voices in

[Adam Curry]

the Senate speak ill of the dead. I mean, they'll get to that later, maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't think so. Not the way we can do it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's, you know, he is. He did represent the military industrial complex. As good as you can. As good as it gets.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, yes, absolutely. Who has been one of the biggest

[Adam Curry]

champions of more United States military intervention

[John C. Dvorak]

there it is somebody who has championed the idea of military intervention in Iran for many years. Somebody who's championed the United States relationship with Israel very closely for many years. And now all of a sudden, you know, there's been so much conversation about Mitch McConnell's medical reality right now. Bring it in. Nobody would have thought this would come now. All right, so then we get into the who. What happens now? As we all, I think, are just in shock at the idea that Lindsey Graham has suddenly died and, and also reflecting on a life of decades of public service.

[Adam Curry]

And he was just in Ukraine. He was just meeting with the Ukrainian president. What did he accomplish on that trip? And assuming from what we saw in all of the videos, the statements that he was making, he appeared to be in very good health, just in usual form. There was certainly no outward indication that there was anything physically wrong. His office saying this was a very brief, sudden and brief illness, they said in their statement.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we don't know what that means because he was posting about President Trump's trip to NATO and conversations that he was having with folks about that, like two days ago. So how brief was this illness? We don't know what exactly that means. Is that a heart attack? You know, at this point, I think a lot of it would be speculation to try to think about that. But yeah, I mean, Lindsey Graham by every indication was working up until the very last day and certainly putting out a public image that there were no issues at all. Supposedly President Trump spoke to him at 7 o' clock last night, getting ready

[Adam Curry]

for the sixth day, actually, according to. She was on Meet the Press this morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what I heard.

[Adam Curry]

And Lyn. Yeah, I heard, I watched it. I could have clipped it. But it was just Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, just Trump. You know, Trump with a bad, with a bad phone connection had some kind of buzz in it, really bad.

[Adam Curry]

And Lindsey Graham was scheduled to do the show today. Yes, which is the funny thing. And Trump said he sounded fine. He talked to him at 7 last night and then he died maybe around 8:30. He may have been the last guy to talk. Well, he's obviously somebody in the House talked To him, but. And he said he sounded fine, except he was tired.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So what's.

[Adam Curry]

But by the way, what was he doing in Ukraine?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I can tell you, I actually. Glad you asked. He had a whole press conference, and I clipped a couple of. What is it here? I clipped a couple of his things here. Yeah, this is it.

[Adam Curry]

China has an oversized influence. I'd like them to use their influence for the good of the world. I don't believe Putin is there yet, but it wouldn't take much to get him there. And the sooner we can have a dialogue about peace, the quicker this war is over. I've never been more optimistic than I am today that we have the formula to end this war. Help Ukraine be more lethal. Let those supporting Russia to know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love this. The formula to stop this war is let Ukraine be more lethal. Sounds like a plan.

[Adam Curry]

It's going to be a price to be paid if you keep doing it. And to try to find an off ramp, not to humiliate Putin, but to end this war so that Ukraine will thrive and survive. We have a magic moment in time here in the coming months. If we do this right, increase Ukraine's lethality, get people to help us with Putin rather than propping him up, we

[John C. Dvorak]

can end this war. So his whole plan was get China to lean on Putin.

[Adam Curry]

What's that got to do with his trip? He could have made that same announcement in South Carolina. He doesn't have to be in. What was the real point of going to Ukraine? It doesn't make any sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he was in Turkey, you know, so is it. Do you hear, like. Do you have the audio cutting out from time to time, or is that just me?

[Adam Curry]

It's not happening over here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. He was in Ankara trying to sell stuff, and he's probably also going over to Ukraine. Hey, man, you gotta talk to those Europeans. Buy some more stuff, because we got stuff to sell in South Carolina.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe sales jobs. Well, he is a sales guy in something.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's always a sales job. The thing that makes it odd, though, besides Mitch McConnell being the obvious one, I'm telling you, I hear something. You don't hear that? Okay, well, I'm sorry if this. Yeah, there it is again. It's like. It sounds like my Rodecaster wants a reboot. This is not good. I think we should probably do that, actually. Hey.

[Adam Curry]

What? I think the Rodecaster makes a noise before. Help me. What is this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I think we should probably. Yeah, it's about to freeze up. I can tell. I know these things.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You get a feeling for it. That's what you would. I mean, after using some gear for years and years, y. You would get a. This. You. It's probably. I think we should take it till it freezes up.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no. That could crash everything. Hey, maybe there's some petting in there. Some petting. Petting.

[Adam Curry]

Stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Test. One, two. Edit there. Okay. All right. Yeah. I think that was a wise decision.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah,

[John C. Dvorak]

it's one of those. It's one of those wise decisions I make from time to time. Like, you know, maybe I should, because I could hear it going. And then the next moment is going to be a total freeze. I won't be able to use the power button. I've got to unplug it, shake it like an Etch A Sketch. So anyway, what I was going to say is that was weird. We had Mitch McConnell, you got. You know, we're waiting for something on him that's all very shady. Then we have Lindsey Graham just dying, and then the President is everywhere telling everybody that Iran's out to get him, to kill him. He's number one on the list. He hasn't stopped with this. President Trump issuing a new threat, the Islamic Republic of Iran.

[Adam Curry]

He posted this.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's got a dead man. Switch now on Truth Social within the last hour saying a thousand missiles are locked and loaded and aimed at the Islamic Republic of Iran, with thousands of more to immediately follow should the Iranian government act on its threat. Pronounced in many corners of the globe to assassinate or attempt to assassinate the

[Adam Curry]

sitting President of the United States of America. In this case, me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Orders have already been given and the

[Adam Curry]

US Military is ready, willing and able

[John C. Dvorak]

for a one year period of time,

[Adam Curry]

subject to extension, to completely decimate and

[John C. Dvorak]

destroy all of Iran.

[Adam Curry]

He ends that post with Praise be to Allah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Signed President Donald J. Trump. The praise be to Allah is a nice touch.

[Adam Curry]

He always. He's been doing that a lot. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So then NBC has the story that this all comes from Israel.

[Adam Curry]

Now to the alarming report that Israel warned the US That Iran is plotting to kill President Trump. Kelly o' Donnell is at the White House. And Kel, this comes for a second.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

So they have a show during the latter day. This funeral's gone on for days and days.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So the last photos they had of the funerals, there was people with signs written in English, red signs with white lettering, and they're carrying them through the streets of Tehran. Kill President Trump. President Trump must die. Yeah. And there's not one or two of these Signs? No, there's a whole bunch giant banners and all the rest of it. And so they're saying, gee, this is the Israel. It's Israel. They're the ones that came up with this idea. There's no proof of this. There's no evidence.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but that's.

[Adam Curry]

And they. Our intelligence guy said, oh, but it doesn't. No, there's no. What are you thinking? Meanwhile, there's this signage. I mean, come on. Now to the alarming report that Israel

[John C. Dvorak]

has warned the US that Iran is

[Adam Curry]

plotting to kill President Trump. Kelly o' Donnell is at the White House. And, Kelly, this comes as Iran has publicly called for the President's death.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, Tom, the White House is not

[Adam Curry]

commenting on that report, and yet the

[John C. Dvorak]

President said today that Israel came up with nothing. Now, this all comes as demonstrators in

[Adam Curry]

the streets of Iran carried those signs

[John C. Dvorak]

written in English, notably calling for the

[Adam Curry]

assassination of President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

The president said today, I've left instructions if anything happens to just literally bomb them at levels they've never seen before. End quote. New tonight, senior White House officials said

[Adam Curry]

Iraq, Iran must issue a public statement

[John C. Dvorak]

pledging the Strait of Hormuz would remain

[Adam Curry]

open to commercial shipping after Iran violated

[John C. Dvorak]

the cease fire by firing at those ships that had been using that thoroughfare. And I again have, from secondhand, but direct to Iran, that nothing has hit anything. There's no people in the way. He may be bombing sand for all we know. And Kharg island, apparently, but not the pipes. And so where this goes in podcast land, I read the documents. We know exactly what's going on. We know who's behind this. It's obvious. And Trump is going to happen. We also have top Israelis saying we

[Adam Curry]

need a new 9 11.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. The top Israelis are saying we need the new 911.

[Adam Curry]

You're getting really close.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's killing Trump. That's what it is to get America

[Adam Curry]

back on board with our wars.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, a new 911 would be president

[Adam Curry]

Trump being assassinated and then Iran being blamed, and then that would probably get the American people behind a total bombardment, nukes, maybe even a ground invasion, which is totally insane. Hold on a second. So the cadence is what you're missing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm not.

[Adam Curry]

He talks real fast, slows down, and then talks real fast, and then slows down. Right. In a very distinctive way.

[John C. Dvorak]

The problem is when I. When I get really excited, then it's really hard for me to slow it down and keep. Keep the.

[Adam Curry]

What do you think you got now? You got that part nailed.

[John C. Dvorak]

John Cedar Vorak, what do you think? Is this going to be a 911 type style event? The American people can get behind it

[Adam Curry]

and this has got to hurt your voice, possibly even a ground. What do you say? What do you say? And so we have to look at Israel standing again from a Trump assassination, especially because he set the table and

[John C. Dvorak]

opened the door that if I'm killed, it's Iran and I want them totally

[Adam Curry]

destroyed, which is Israel's ultimate goal. So he's teed himself up like a

[John C. Dvorak]

golf ball on a tee or a

[Adam Curry]

gun that's had the bullet loaded into

[John C. Dvorak]

the chamber and cocked it for desperate

[Adam Curry]

Likudniks, for people like Netanyahu who is

[John C. Dvorak]

convicted, who will go to jail if this war ever ends, even admits that

[Adam Curry]

wanting this greater Israel to continue on

[John C. Dvorak]

out of desperation to kill Trump or

[Adam Curry]

fund some group to kill Trump, and then that way they'll have a more pliant. They think vice president or somebody, though I don't think they actually think Vance would do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who would go along with that? So I think that's really in the cards.

[Adam Curry]

And I think Trump's made a big

[John C. Dvorak]

mistake saying if I get killed and

[Adam Curry]

they say it's Iran, just know it's Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have respect for Alex, man. I got respect for this one. And he's very consistent with these things. Got to remember, I can't do it anymore. You got to remember, he, he predicted the first 9, 11. So. But this flows into this, a whole something that I really had to go look at because it was starting to annoy me because there's one thing I always like doing is reading the NDAA because there's fun stuff in there. You know, during Obama, the National Defense Authorization act we had folded in. There was the Smith Mundt. What was the exact term? Was it the Reform act or the Smith.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the Smith act reformed, something like that. It was just the repealing of the act.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And so it became okay to propagandize the American people. Yeah. So now there's this new thing in the National Defense Authorization act and then there's also the Defense national act. And he, Alex, and, and his buddy there, they had a conversation about it. I'm like, you know, you're taking it a little bit too far.

[Adam Curry]

You mentioned section 224, which not many

[John C. Dvorak]

people are talking about.

[Adam Curry]

I'll speak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we'll talk about it.

[Adam Curry]

You know, to Anakin about it yesterday,

[John C. Dvorak]

man, when Annika Sparian and Alex Jones are on the same page. You got to be careful. You got to be.

[Adam Curry]

Something's wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something's up.

[Adam Curry]

Anakasparian about it. He's wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Man.

[John C. Dvorak]

It seems like this is going to pass.

[Adam Curry]

That's freaking wild. That is just wild.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is just for the audience. This is. Oh, you can explain it better than

[Adam Curry]

I, but essentially merges the US Military and the idf. And also Senator Cotton.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, that's. So this is the talking point that all the podcasters are on. This merges the American military with the idf. It merges them. Complete melding. There will be no difference between the two.

[Adam Curry]

But essentially, I've seen this, too. Military and the idf. And also Senator Cotton is trying to merge the CIA and Mossad and make it sure. Oh, yeah, that's gonna work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Well, listen. This is good. Just listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

In the CIA. That's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

The CIA and Mossad and make it irreversible.

[Adam Curry]

But that is freaking wild. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

When this first came out five weeks

[Adam Curry]

ago, first they said it's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you can go read 2 to

[Adam Curry]

4 in the Defense Authorization Act 20, 20, 27, that's now passed out all the committees and is in the full House, about to go to the full Senate.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then you have the full new

[Adam Curry]

intelligence funding bill that doesn't just merge Mossad with the CIA. It's all US Intelligence. Live time. Synchronicity. They use words like lifetime. Synchronicity.

[John C. Dvorak]

They. Marriage. No, no, the word marriage is not in there. Vine.

[Adam Curry]

They Live time is used.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a whole bunch of terms and

[Adam Curry]

it says from research and development down

[John C. Dvorak]

to weapons deployment, avionics, guidance, intelligence, all of it in live time. Fusion, integration, marriage. Yeah. So this has gotten so out of control on the podcast that even Kim Iverson, who I like, we don't really play anything from Kim Iverson because he's kind of monotonous, but this is how she interpreted it. Unfortunately, the amendment to halt the merger of the US And Israeli militaries together has failed. They have shoved this into the National

[Adam Curry]

Defense act and it will pass. This whole idea, which Netanyahu even says

[John C. Dvorak]

was his idea, this was his plan.

[Adam Curry]

This did not come from our Congress members. He actually put it forward.

[John C. Dvorak]

They said, okay, we'll do whatever you want.

[Adam Curry]

Our dear Leader.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's exactly how it went. We'll do whatever you want, our dear Leader. BB See, this is the stuff that drives me nuts. Podcasters. You're giving podcasts. Casting a bad name from our Congress members.

[Adam Curry]

He actually put it forward.

[John C. Dvorak]

They said, okay, we'll do whatever you want. Our Dear Leader Bibi and they put

[Adam Curry]

it into this bill. The goal of this, according to Netanyahu, is to end U. S Aid to Israel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now you might think, oh, that's a great thing. We do want to end U.

[Adam Curry]

S Aid to Israel. Right. The workaround is to no longer need

[John C. Dvorak]

aid from the United States military because you will just become the United States military.

[Adam Curry]

Netanyahu said, rather than being dependent on, on the US Military, we become partners. We become partners. We share everything. Here's the article from Responsible Statecraft saying Congress has refused to even allow a full House vote on a provision that

[John C. Dvorak]

would pave the way for an unprecedented

[Adam Curry]

integration of the US And Israeli military industrial complexes. After no debate on Monday, the Rules Committee chose to reject a bipartisan amendment introduced by Reps. Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie that would have stripped the United States Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative from the bill.

[John C. Dvorak]

This provision that they wanted to squelch creates an executive agent within the Department

[Adam Curry]

of Defense whose sole responsibility is furthering

[John C. Dvorak]

US And Israeli military tech integration across

[Adam Curry]

nearly every facet of the defense process. It even specifically says in this provision that we will source and look for as much Israeli tech to integrate into

[John C. Dvorak]

our military as possible.

[Adam Curry]

That is a bad idea. That's the worst thing I've ever heard of. So if you don't want that, call your congressman, call your senator, tell them

[John C. Dvorak]

you absolutely want them to oppose that

[Adam Curry]

bill unless they strike that from it, that you will not live in a.

[John C. Dvorak]

In a nation that is beholden to another foreign nation.

[Adam Curry]

I was going to say something much more grotesque, but whatever. I mean, it's just so obvious. Israel has taken over. We're not a sovereign country anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Okay. Now, so let's everybody just calm down for a moment and I'll read a little bit of what Section224 says. But do we. Is this unique, Is this the most unique thing we've ever had in, in our military or in our intelligence? No. We have the exact same agreements with Five Eyes, with Japan, with Australia, uk, the Aukus. This is not new. And this executive agent, which is what the entire section starts off with, it will be responsible for synchronizing cooperative efforts between the US And Israel to expand and accelerate bilateral defense technology research, development, testing, evaluation, integration and industrial cooperation, which we already do.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we want to steal their stuff, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bring it in so we can take a look at it. This is not like. But the way this is being sold, we're not a sovereign nation. It's all over now. Israel controls us. No I personally find Five Eyes much more offensive. How about NATO? Do you think there's any shit we're about to license? Literally build our Patriot missiles with that little actor dancer boy in Ukraine. Where's the offense?

[Adam Curry]

Come on. I know. Well, luckily. And of course, the thing is, it has to be a subsidiary, as you pointed out before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, actually, I got a. Where was that?

[Adam Curry]

In fact, what we're doing is setting up shop. Yeah, it's exactly in Ukraine. Here it is, what we're doing. This way you can't complain that we're not giving them enough. I say make them yourself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Donald Trump made it sound easy when he promised Volodymyr Zelensky at this week's NATO summit that Ukraine could make its own Patriot air defense systems. The reality is much more complicated. Case in point, the US granted Germany a similar license four years ago, and Berlin isn't expected to produce a single Patriot system until sometime next year. Potentially, this becomes a win win.

[Adam Curry]

But the devil is in the detail

[John C. Dvorak]

here because the hard work will be

[Adam Curry]

getting these production lines established, getting the

[John C. Dvorak]

people trained to manufacture the weapons, testing

[Adam Curry]

the weapons, getting them deployed, and spinning all of that capacity on so that

[John C. Dvorak]

it can support Ukrainian air defense. As the case with Germany shows, the process of finding suppliers for parts and getting manufacturing online takes time. And experts say with daily attacks from Moscow, a license to make Patriots will do little to meet Kyiv's immediate needs on the battlefield. Exactly. Just everybody calm down. It's unbelievable. It's all about Israel, Israel, Israel. Israel's gonna get okay. All right? It's okay. Because people will come around eventually, just like they're coming around now on the Candace Owens thing. Man, she signed her own death warrant by going on Sean Ryan for four hours and talking all that nonsense. I mean, this. This preliminary trial is. Preliminary hearing is really showing that there's a. You know, there was no. No autopsy report. Yeah, there was. It was. It was under seal for this very moment. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, well, it's all right.

[Adam Curry]

Chuck him up with something new.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even. Even I didn't come out. I should have clipped it. But your boy there who's a. Nick. What's his name? Nick Fuentes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Nick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Nick had a whole thing today. It's like the reason why everyone's about. Is anti Israel is because you make a lot of money. You get a whole bunch of clicks, you get a lot of followers. He goes so far as to say, I think some foreign countries are actually paying these people to say that, Stu. Yeah, the Internet is a mess.

[Adam Curry]

Gee, we've hit. Didn't that happen to one of our most famous podcasters some time ago?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'd think so. It's just a thought.

[Adam Curry]

Tim Pool was getting paid by the Russians, was it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he wasn't really getting paid by the Russians. That was the Canadian girl who was getting paid by the Russians. And Tim Pool just thought he was good. Look at all this money I'm making. I'm that good. I'm opening a skate park. And then the money dried up and, hey, it wasn't that good.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he didn't get to skate park.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think he did.

[Adam Curry]

He's still making money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I don't know how much, though. I don't know how much. Apparently, if you have like, a million views on YouTube, you can make like, $20,000 off of that in a month.

[Adam Curry]

Seems like a lot, my understanding.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's. Well, that's what people are saying, it seems.

[Adam Curry]

I heard it was 1200 per million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

You need. You need. You get 1200 bucks if you get a million views.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, then that's not worth it unless

[Adam Curry]

you're being paid by somebody else. No, that's where the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, that's what we got to try to get to. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So, you know, the influencer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we're influencing nothing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we are. We're influencing. We're not influencing anything that makes us money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. Yeah. Christina's making bank, though. She's doing the influencer thing with his baby. Can't get the baby to come out before we leave, but, you know, she's like, oh, got baby carriages and playpens and all kinds of stuff going on.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, good. She's got a. She's got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

She learned something from you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I encourage this, of course.

[Adam Curry]

So let's talk about the Air Force One scandal, which the BBC went on and on about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why has the Trump administration ordered several journalists from the New York Times to give testimony under oath over their coverage of the new Air Force? Four journalists from the paper have been subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury in Manhattan on Wednesday next week. It's a process that will decide if there's enough evidence to charge a person with a crime. So far, there are few details as to what the main objections are to the New York Times reporting, but in a statement to the BBC, the Justice Department said it's investigating illegal leaks of national security information. Well, last week, the New York Times wrote articles about the new Air Force One plane.

[Adam Curry]

Gifted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gifted to President Trump personally by the Qatari government. Last year. Mr. Trump used it to arrive at the NATO summit in Turkey just this week, but boarded the old Air Force One home. And that raised questions as to why. Well, the Times quoted people it said were briefed on the new plane's capabilities who spoke on condition of anonymity. The Times reported that they suggested the new plane doesn't have all the features of the old plane and that it lacks defensive countermeasures of the previous model. We obviously asked the New York Times for an interview today. They sent us this statement.

[Adam Curry]

The appearance of federal law enforcement agents on the doorstep of news reporters should shock the conscience of any American who believes in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute, they talked to the New York Times and this Brit, is the guy who answered where's my New Yorker talking? Or is they're just reading this?

[Adam Curry]

I think this whole thing is rich coming from the British. The Constitution and the press freedom. It protects our journalists, report the facts and advance the American public's right to know how their government is operating and their taxpayer dollars are being used. This brazen act should be seen as

[John C. Dvorak]

nothing more than an attempt to prevent the public from knowing what is happening

[Adam Curry]

in their country by intimidating journalists from doing their jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that's not what they're after. They just want to know who leaked it from the.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, that's. I think it was me. They said that. But what's funny about this is during this three part clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

There's never one mention of Obama. Who was the worst at this. Yeah, that Rosen guy was thrown in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Throw him in jail.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, thrown in jail. There was all this. Obama was the worst for this. And there's never a mention. Nari. Let's say Nari. A mention.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nara mention of Barack.

[Adam Curry]

But we continue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's get some more details with Daniel Lippman. He's a White House and Washington reporter with Politico in the US Capitol. Daniel, thanks for joining us. First of all, the president has made absolutely no secret that he's very impressed with this new plane supplied by Qatar. He likes to point out how modern it is and its luxurious fittings and so on. Some did question the wisdom of accepting a plane from a foreign state in the first place though. And also the security upgrade will have been very expensive, surely. Yeah, this was going to be a

[Adam Curry]

year long plus process because there are various things you have to retrofit with this plane in terms of anti missile technology, other features to prevent against electromagnetic pulse attack in case of a nuclear

[John C. Dvorak]

strike on this plane.

[Adam Curry]

And so it raised a lot of eyebrows when he flew back, back from the NATO summit in Turkey with the old plane, especially after Iran and the US Resumed hostilities.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so I think that this is an embarrassing incident for Trump and that's why the Justice Department is taking this as seriously to try to find out the Times sources. Now, the way I heard it is that it really was a last, like a total last minute switch, which Trump totally downplayed and lied about, which was kind of dumb. Like, oh, yeah, the troops want to see it. And I think they might have been trying to smoke somebody out in the first place. You know what I mean? Yeah, maybe that's what it feels like.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds reasonable. I mean, the whole thing was. Yeah. He didn't handle it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he handled it wrong. It was completely wrong.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, when he was on the plane with the reporters after they were moaning about having to close their windows.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He said, well, you know, it's dangerous flying around with me. You know, you're taking your life in your own hands and flying around with me.

[John C. Dvorak]

They get me. They get you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're all dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Part three. And can you expand a little bit more on the Times reporting? Because they do go into some detail as to what they think might be lacking on this plane.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's that missile capability likely. We don't know all the details yet.

[Adam Curry]

And they're keeping the that close to the vest.

[John C. Dvorak]

An FBI senior official told the Times

[Adam Curry]

before their publication to urge them not to do this article.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we've seen that in cases before where there's security related stories that major publications want to do and the government

[Adam Curry]

wants to not have that in the public eye.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it is pretty chilling because you don't want to have sources fear that

[Adam Curry]

they're going to to be sent to

[John C. Dvorak]

jail because of what they told the Times.

[Adam Curry]

And even President Trump alluded to how

[John C. Dvorak]

it was almost like a little bit

[Adam Curry]

of a risky flight because it's right next.

[John C. Dvorak]

Turkey is right next to Iran and

[Adam Curry]

every passenger on that plane had to pull up their window shades because of security precautions.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so there's a reason why a

[Adam Curry]

lot of people were suspicious of Qatar

[John C. Dvorak]

giving this plane to the US in the first place. This guy is breathless and he's kind of boring now. Well, that's right. Mr. Trump has been talking about his own security this week, hasn't he? As you mentioned those comments about the plane. But, I mean, he's got reason to be fearful because only today we had more threats coming from the Iranian regime.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And especially not saying that Qatar did

[Adam Curry]

anything to this plane, it seemed like he's hyperventilating. This is why we have experts to look at it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But there is a lot of concern among the security community in this country that we shouldn't take a plane from a country like Qatar, which historically had pretty strong links to Iran. Hmm. Yeah, maybe.

[Adam Curry]

Hello. Well, that the plane is kind of laughable.

[John C. Dvorak]

I had. Let me see. I have two clips about this from Global news. Following funeral processions in two other cities, Iran buried the late Supreme Leader in the town where he was born. Wait, that's not. That's the one. Here it is. This is the one. Now, the potential plot appears to have led to a plane change for the President. The trip to the NATO summit in Turkey was on the new controversial plane gifted by Qatar to leave. Trump took the old Air Force One. The White House says because of the threats, it was using distraction and misdirection. But there are reports, reports the new aircraft doesn't have the same defensive countermeasures to protect it from attack. This is an aircraft that was specked out and prioritized for luxury, not safety. Trump actually changed back to the new plane for the last leg home. Once back in the U.S. he told the New York Post he's left instructions should Iran ever be successful. If anything happens to him, he says it should be bombed at quote, levels that they've never seen before. Yeah. So, I mean, in conclusion, what do we really think this is? There was a real threat or they just wanted to smoke somebody out? It seems like one or the other.

[Adam Curry]

Could be both.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever the case, he took the right plane and. Yeah, okay, fine. They made a big fuss about it, but then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the fuss is because these. Because the journalists feel that they need to protect their sources, which they do anyway, and they should.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Which they do.

[Adam Curry]

But at the same time, they shouldn't have a bunch of leakers. If you got leakers whose fault is not the journalist's fault.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's why they just want to know, who was it? Tell us. They can't make them tell that. Tell them, can they? Besides doing what Obama did, which was throw them in jail.

[Adam Curry]

Well, most of these guys in the New York Times. Well, the New York Times has got a good legal team for this, and they had one of the guys who did the Rosen case, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

On one of the shows yakking about it, and now they can't do anything. And that's a bad look.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a very bad look. The whole thing, everything's Bad. Everything's bad. No one's looking good at all. I think we should. Here's what I think we should do. I think we should be doing a three by three because, you know, you brought them.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well this. I'm going to talk about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on, before we do anything. And now it's time for three by three Experiment five. JCD comparing stories from abc, CBS and NBC. Ah, that's right. This is the top three news networks. The top three news programs. And we listen to what they say, how they say it. Is it exactly the same? Do they have the same story? So they have Nat. Pops. What do we have today?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, this is about. This is a return to the opens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the opens. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And the reason is because I wanted to discuss a note. Someone sent us an old hack attack, a guy used to be in the business, Baronet Baylor, actually, AKA Sir. Sir Camera. Chris. Yeah. Who sent his long memo on. On a technique they use on these shows and it's exemplified by these three openers. Now the openers, I think we should do them in reverse order. In other words, the most ineffective and with the lowest ratings is cbs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, cbs?

[Adam Curry]

Then comes NBC. CBS has the lowest ratings of the news shows. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? So I thought Bari Weiss was gonna fix everything

[Adam Curry]

after I'm done. I'm now convinced Bari Weiss is incompetent. She doesn't know anything about broadcasting.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, she's a substacker.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she's a writer type.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's a substacker.

[Adam Curry]

And she's never worked in the. She's never been on. She's not like a. She hasn't even been, you know, sitting in the panels or anything that I know of. I never saw her. Have you ever seen her?

[John C. Dvorak]

I've seen her being interviewed. I saw her making a fool of herself on Rogan once. So no, I don't think she. She's not a broadcast person. You're right, she's a writer. And that's the worst kind to put on broadcast television.

[Adam Curry]

No, absolutely the worst. Because you, you. Your idea of what works. What works in writing does not work in broadcasting. So let's start with the worst of the group. This is the opener, the week opener for CB this July 10th. This is Friday shows, they're all the same from the same day. And we go start with cbs, which is a minute. They actually stretch it out. I'm surprised it's this long. It's the shortest minute and it's the shortest. It's the shortest for sure. They, everything they do is Wrong. Their opener sucks. Listen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good evening. I'm Major Garrett in for Tony decouple. Tonight, flood emergency in the heartland.

[Adam Curry]

The record surge of water devastating parts of Missouri.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nearly 100 water rescues reported, many of

[Adam Curry]

them campers on the swollen banks of the Black River.

[John C. Dvorak]

The powerful storms threatening nearly 100 million Americans. Rob Marciano tracking wrong target. ICE officials now saying the Mexican migrant

[Adam Curry]

who was shot and killed during a

[John C. Dvorak]

traffic stop in Houston was not the

[Adam Curry]

person they were looking for. The new details

[John C. Dvorak]

flyover controversy this July 4th coast of South Carolina triggering suspensions for the pilots. Now the secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth has weighed in. Royal reunion. Archie and Lilibet spend time with their grandparents.

[Adam Curry]

And who else paid the king and queen a visit? Plus, Steve Hartman on the road.

[John C. Dvorak]

How a lonely little boy started a wave of kindness. I love you.

[Adam Curry]

I love you, too. From CBS News headquarters in New York, this is the CBS Evening News with Tony Decopol.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, okay. So first of all, it's not even the guy. The guy who is no good. Tony. Tony's on vacation. He's so bad.

[Adam Curry]

Bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they start off with bleed. Lee. If it bleeds, it leads. You don't start off with water. Water is just not that exciting. And then to wrap it up with the. With a Meghan Markle type, the kid and everything. And then this constant incredibly. I'm really. I just want you to feel very, very excited because I've got some noise going on behind me that means there's news people. There's news. Water and royalty.

[Adam Curry]

Hey.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's no good. It's no good.

[Adam Curry]

It's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

It's so no good that by contrasting it with the other two networks, it's embarrassingly bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It really is one of the worst I've ever heard them do.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I always thought I felt the same way. So we go on to the next highest in rating, which is CBS at the bottom. So we have NBC with Yammas and he does a full two minutes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Too long.

[Adam Curry]

It's too long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Long.

[Adam Curry]

It's. I agree. I think it should be a minute.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It should be 1:30.

[Adam Curry]

Just under two minutes. I don't care. But it's exciting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, boy. Our new reporting on the security concerns

[Adam Curry]

of the brand new Air Force One as combat with Iran ramps up new video of a fresh round of attacks

[John C. Dvorak]

as President Trump cast doubt on a

[Adam Curry]

new deal and why we just learned the president did not take the new Air Force One on part of his latest trip. Plus, the mystery renovations at the White House, the scaffolding and tarp going up today. What the President is renovating now.

[John C. Dvorak]

New revelations in the Charlie Kirk murder case.

[Adam Curry]

The video of the suspect's roommate telling prosecutors Tyler Robinson admitted to the killing. And never before seen images of the rifle allegedly used in the assassination. Inside the chaotic race to replace Senate candidate Graham Platner, who just ended his campaign. The candidates jumping in. And we'll show you how one is even repurposing his old campaign signs from a past election.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dangerous flash floods on the move. Powerful storms putting millions at risk.

[Adam Curry]

Flight delays and cancellations piling up across the East Coast. Deadly shoe factory fire. Dozens killed as this building goes up in flames. Workers fleeing to the rooftop. One clinging to the building. The college athlete found dead after a July 4 party on a remote island. His parents now demanding answers. What could be the last photo of him before his death?

[John C. Dvorak]

Brooklyn Bridge rescue.

[Adam Curry]

Dramatic video as the NYPD climbs 100ft up to save a woman's life.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is like local news. Flaming propane, arson attack.

[Adam Curry]

A man lighting a business on fire. The officers rushing in to put out the flames. Disturbing video capturing a suspect hurling a Molotov cocktail at houses of worship. And remembering Bonnie Tyler.

[John C. Dvorak]

The total eclipse of a heart singer whose music transcended generations.

[Adam Curry]

Nightly News starts right now. Wow. This is NBC Nightly News with Tom. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's interesting to throw the A one hit wonder in there. One song. Total eclipse of the heart again.

[Adam Curry]

Well, ABC does the same thing, but abc, so, yeah, they throw it in too. All those stories are totally different than the one CBS portrayed, which are all boring. Yeah, I mean, they like to use mysterious new addition. He uses a lot of teaser words in his.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's what I'm missing. I am missing explosive diarrhea from these stories. That's the story. That's what people want to hear. That's what I'd have. Explosive diarrhea now in 36 states. You got my attention.

[Adam Curry]

I'm surprised they didn't. Now I have to assume it was explosive diarrhea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Story's been going on.

[Adam Curry]

A Friday story.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's been going on for weeks.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're right. Okay, well, we're gonna go now. Now we have the clear winner and there's all winner.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's long.

[Adam Curry]

It's too long. Yeah, I agree. In fact, it's way too long. It's over two minutes. But it's got all the right elements.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. I gotta try this for myself.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let me try this because you gotta. I think you have to do it. Like this. What is it? Where's my teletype? I need my teletype. Okay, so I go at this hour, explosive diarrhea now in 36 states. We've got the video. I mean that, that if you can start it off like that, you've got a new show.

[Adam Curry]

Except you left out one thing which I'll discuss after we play this clip. Now, this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry. Wait, wait. That was my cue.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was. Okay, play the clip. Tonight the breaking news. The U.S. strikes Iran. Then Iranian drones and missiles intercepted the intensifying. Also breaking a horrific story tonight, a flight instructor jumping from the plane, leaving his student to land the plane on her own.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good one.

[Adam Curry]

First tonight, the U.S. and Iran. The U.S. says dozens of Iranian drones and missiles have been intercepted in Kuwait and Bahrain, home to several American bases. Martha Raddatz standing by with late reporting. Tonight that horrific story emerging. The shocking moments on a plane. An instructor check. Jumping from the plane, leaving his young student to land the plane on her own. What she did to save her own life. New images from the NYPD tonight of terrifying moments on the Brooklyn Bridge saving a woman climbing the support cables in Maine. Tonight, the all out scramble to replace Graham Platner in the race for Senate. What happens now? Some Democrats in that state furious saying did we give up our chance to beat Susan Collins?

[John C. Dvorak]

Tonight the new and critical hearing in the case against the man accused of

[Adam Curry]

killing Charlie Kirk, one of former romantic partners. As Tyler Robinson said the day after Charlie Kirk was killed. At this hour we are tracking powerful storms right now in the east. Sam Champion is here with the forecast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sam Champion's 100 years old. Tonight, the mom who said the flu

[Adam Curry]

shot killed both of her 18 month old twins. She railed against vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tonight she's now facing murder charges.

[Adam Curry]

The nail biting moment, the father and his two daughters who came face to face with a charging bear.

[John C. Dvorak]

What that father did.

[Adam Curry]

Tonight's a fiery F16 emergency making an emergency landing then bursting into flames. The images tonight, a deadly fire engulfing a shoe factory. And what we know on the US coast, two sea lions charging towards swimmers on shore. Yeah, there's a major recall to tonight involving popular eye drops, concern over a foreign substance. And we remember Bonnie Tyler and Total Eclipse of the heart. And that moment with Bonnie Tyler while we were on the air covering the eclipse and me in a split screen with Bonnie Tyler is something I never

[John C. Dvorak]

thought I would witness.

[Adam Curry]

You'll see what she did next tonight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Celebrate.

[Adam Curry]

Celebrating Bodi Tyler. From ABC News world headquarters in New

[John C. Dvorak]

York, this is World News Tonight with David Bjork. Okay. Definitely some good elements. I like the bear. I like that they did.

[Adam Curry]

The bear is great.

[John C. Dvorak]

The bear is good.

[Adam Curry]

And also the charging sea lion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Charging sea lions is good. This gets your attention. I like the. They didn't have to do. The instructor jumps out of the plane twice. They didn't have to do that.

[Adam Curry]

I think that was a mistake.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it was a mistake, too.

[Adam Curry]

Started with it. I think it was put in at the last minute. Move forward. And it was left in the script. No, because this was longer than their normal opener. I think that was a mistake. And they left it in. And he just was reading right from the prompter.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, they easily could have put in explosive diarrhea. This would have fit perfectly. You could have swapped out the second instructor jumps out of the plane with explosive diarrhea.

[Adam Curry]

And I agree.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a question for the Book of Knowledge. Book of Knowledge, what year was Total Eclipse of the Heart a hit record? I'd like to know that for a second. This has got to be 45 years old. They don't know their audience. Maybe they do. Let's see. According to the Book of Knowledge, Total Eclipse of the Heart, written by Jim Steinman, was released on February 11, 1983. Come on. It hit number one in the United States on October 1 of that same year, spending four weeks atop the Billboard Hot 100 and going on to become one of the biggest selling singles of all time. Thus it has been written. That's. That's a very old song.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Audience is old. Come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Okay, well, maybe so.

[Adam Curry]

Here's the. Let me read this from this note. All right, Adam, I think I know why you're noticing breaking news. As you join. As you join us in this hour, we have breaking news. He has all the beginnings. He has the beginnings. As you join us, we have breaking news. As you welcome us into your home, we have breaking news. At the top of the broadcast, we have breaking news. And on and on and on. And I'm gonna read this. He says, I've written about this a million times. The consultants would sit us down. I'm skipping ahead here. Sit us down and tell us how dumb we are not to lead our show with breaking news. That's what the people want. They said they would have examples and ratings and how they worked at station XYZ in Colorado or Mississippi or whatever. Then two years later, they would come back and say, what are you doing? That's not a breaking news story. Save breaking news for real breaking news. Lead with Another break. So this note came in a while ago. So I studied this on the network and found an interesting coincidence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

ABC uses breaking news almost every show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

They're number one.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

And if you listen to this last one, he had breaking news. Play the beginning again, just the very beginning. Cuz he says breaking news and then he has a second breaking news tonight, the breaking news. The U.S. strikes Iran. Then Iranian drones and missiles intercepted the situation in intensifying. Also breaking a horrific story tonight. A flight is jumping the plane.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on, does he have a third?

[Adam Curry]

Leaving his student to land the plane. He has a third. At the end of the whole tease, he starts again with breaking news. So he uses it the most. He uses it all the time. Second most usage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Is Tom Yamas. About twice a week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Twice a week.

[Adam Curry]

About twice a week.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not enough. That's clearly not enough.

[Adam Curry]

No, but he does it about twice a week and it's exactly the same each time. If you look up to. I had a clip called Breaking News which has yamis two shows in a row.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're kind of all jacked about this.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's because I think it's interesting and I'm jacked about it because with the consultancy. I got it here.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the 7 second clip. Is that what you're talking about?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Breaking news as we come on the air. Breaking news as we come on the air. The US launch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those are two different breaking news escalation. Right. Hey, breaking news. John, what do you got? Breaking news. We just should be doing.

[Adam Curry]

Breaking news has come on the air is what Yamas always says at this hour. So. Yeah, so. So they, they have the second highest ratings and the, the laggard is Bari Weiss's who she was. She's not going to listen to broadcasting consultants.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, also. No, this is exactly because she is a writer and she's like, this is not breaking news, it's just news. So we shouldn't tag it with breaking news. I can see her saying it. I can see her saying it.

[Adam Curry]

I can see her saying. Nothing's breaking news. Basically on a TV show it's not breaking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very little is breaking news.

[Adam Curry]

Let's be realistic here. It happened hours ago or days ago. It's bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Breaking news. Breaking news. Nobody knows anything at this hour.

[Adam Curry]

Hour. So the ratings follow exactly the formula that the consultant saves use breaking news when you. You know as much as you can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And in fact is exactly what happens. And so you have a. You have a situation at CBS that As much as I disagree and I don't like Scott Pelley, I have to say he's probably right. Barry Weiss is incompetent at this. She is. Should not be running the TV network.

[John C. Dvorak]

And here's the cool thing. I really don't care because it all sucks. They're all no good.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it does all suck, but I'm just trying to point out the consultants have a point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, that's why the consultants. That's maybe what we should. You know, we give away this advice for free.

[Adam Curry]

We should be consultants.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but make some real money. Well, here's the thing that none of the news networks had, and I thought it would be breaking news, but it wasn't breaking news because it's just not breaking news.

[Adam Curry]

Early this morning, the Pentagon declassifying a bunch of videos that look weird. Like this one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look at this. What's that?

[Adam Curry]

What is. What is that?

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't know.

[Adam Curry]

They don't say that. This is basically, you know, all they're doing. They're releasing videos with very, very little context. Some. This one right here, a lot of people are talking about this is some sort of like half deflated balloon that's floating. Well, that's what witnesses apparently said it looked like as it was flying with the wind. Maybe 12ft, maybe 15ft, according to the report. But again, inconclusive. Okay, What?

[John C. Dvorak]

This, by the way, is NBC talking about the latest UAP UFO video release.

[Adam Curry]

About what about this one?

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this like lens flaring, lens artifacting,

[Adam Curry]

or is that actually something that is shooting off some.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this being NBC, this person should be fired. I mean, if you have UAPs, UFOs, there's a high amount of interest for it. It's just not grabbing people's attention anymore. And the White House has hired this guy from Harvard, Avi Lube. Lube? Avi Lube. L, O, E, B. But I can't help but think of L, U, B, E. And he is part of the White House UAP Council console. And this guy. Well, the Pentagon today released a new trove of UFO files. And of the 40 new files, 19 of them are videos. They're coming from the Pentagon, NASA, the CIA, the FBI and the Energy Department. So let's bring in Avi Loeb, who now leads the White House UAP Council. Avi, what can you tell us what's in these files? What are we looking at here? Well, first, thank you for having me. We see doctor, documents dating back to 1948, 49, when a conference took place in Los Alamos.

[Adam Curry]

Led by Edward Teller that was involved

[John C. Dvorak]

in the Manhattan Project earlier. And it involves quite distinguished physicists talking

[Adam Curry]

about green fireballs that they cannot figure

[John C. Dvorak]

out some objects moving horizontally. And so these objects remained unresolved. And then we're seeing a number of videos from recent years where. So this guy is supposed to sell this. I got a whole. I'm going to play one more clip of this guy because he kind of winds it up where I think it was meant to go. And this is cbs. Anything else that sort of sparked your interest that says, oh wait, we might have something here that maybe proves some of these theories or maybe disprove them? Yes. No. At this time there is no single video image or any other data that indicates a non human origin for any of these objects. The star looking object that you mentioned could be just a diffraction pattern that is often found in the optics of cameras. So I would say at the moment there is no conclusive evidence. But the good news is that the

[Adam Curry]

best is yet to come.

[John C. Dvorak]

That there is classified data that probably is much richer and more convincing. You know, a higher wouldn't that be breaking news? There's, there's data to come. Much richer, more convincing solution image of one of these objects would be very revealing. And the fact that the US government, those people in the White House, the office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Pentagon and the intelligence community and the FBI, the fact that they are reaching the out to scientists like myself to try and help them figure it out implies in my mind that they believe that some of these objects cannot be human made because otherwise they would put the reports in a classified memo to the Secretary of War, Pete Hexet. They would not ask me as a scientist to help them figure it out. So I think we are heading in an interesting direction into the future. The future is better than the past. And we will figure it out using the scientific method by collecting more evidence. It's not a matter of opinions.

[Adam Curry]

We should not pay attention to social media.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, this is a scientific matter trying to figure out the nature of these objects and we'll get to the bottom of it. And this is much more inspiring than the script of Steven Spielberg in the recent move movie Disclosure Day because over there the government fights scientists and crashes their car against a moving train. My car is completely intact and I feel privileged to help the U.S. government. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like everyone gave up on this story. Yeah, whatever. Another video. There was more. You know, they should have had the foamers out. Did you see all the foamers for the big boy 4104, whatever that train is.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is constant. It's not just, oh, Lord, there's a million videos of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. Why didn't they have that? They could have had a great foamer. All of this, everyone, they're missing everything, all the good stuff. And then this guy's on for 15 minutes on each of the news networks, boring everyone to death.

[Adam Curry]

If you listen to your first clip over, they say this stuff was released by so and so and so and so and the Energy Department.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

You heard that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I did.

[Adam Curry]

Why do you think the Department of Energy, what's their involvement? I have a little. Just a tidbit here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nuke. No, no.

[Adam Curry]

What? So I was, I took a tour of Nellis Air Force Base and got to sit in on a training session for some combat stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

When was this? How come you didn't. It's a long time.

[Adam Curry]

These are years ago, during the now, when COMDEX was still.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, just let me just set the scene. You can't just throw that out there.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm just saying. So, but I had a conversation with one the guys that running this. We started talking about Area 51 and he says to me, you know who Area 51 belongs to, right? I said, military? He says, no, the Department of Energy. Oh. I said, What? Yeah, Area 51 belongs to the Department of Energy. Why? He says, you got me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, you know, I got a guy over there, he runs the technology at the Department of Energy. He says there's a lot of activity. He's in Colorado. He hates it. I mean, he loves his job, but he's Colorado, he's a Texan.

[Adam Curry]

I think the Department of Energy, because I think they're trying to find some new way of. Or anti gravity or some form of energy. That's the only logical explanation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, of course. We all want that. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I'm tired energy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm tired of waiting. I'm tired of waiting for my zero point energy.

[Adam Curry]

Where is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, so let's just stay kind of in technology, since that's where you came from. And this was the story that was played up real big. I'm not sure it's as big as it sounds. Mackenzie Sagalos has more back. So, Brian, Apple has just filed a federal lawsuit against OpenAI, accusing the AI startup of stealing trade secrets to build its own consumer hardware. Now, I have the 41 page filing here. Apple, right, writes that quote at every level from members of its Technical staff to its chief hardware officer. And in coordination with business partners, OpenAI has been stealing Apple's trade secrets and confidential information. Now, Apple says it uncovered a pattern involving former employees who joined OpenAI. The suit specifically names OpenAI Chief Hardware Officer Tang Tan, accusing him of using job interviews with Apple employees to seek details about about unreleased products and technologies, and then coaching departing workers on how to evade Apple's security procedures. The filing also names a former Apple product developer who allegedly brought a stolen laptop to OpenAI and used it for months to download highly confidential documents, including information from Apple's R and D lab. I think you're uniquely qualified to discuss this story. What are your thoughts?

[Adam Curry]

It goes on all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that was my first thought, that this is nothing new. In fact, Apple has stolen more stuff from other people and this is what all these companies do. Hey, this is a great product. Hey. Oh, I'm sorry. Now it's a part of Office.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the best example of somebody stealing from somebody, I think is Google. Yeah, examples, because Eric Schmidt was on the board of directors at Apple Apple during the development period of the iPhone.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

And he said to himself, hey, this is a hell of an idea. Let's start developing our own iPhone over here at Google. Because he was the chairman of Google and they made the Android operating system and the Android phones, which are worldwide more popular than the iPhone, are totally stolen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they bought it. They bought the Android operating system. I don't think they developed it. They bought.

[Adam Curry]

Bought it. Yeah, but they. But it was all from knowing about the iPhone in advance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but I think the thing that

[Adam Curry]

really bothers when the iPhone dropped in in 2007.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dropped.

[Adam Curry]

They. I'm sorry, somebody better pick it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll pick it up.

[Adam Curry]

They went when it. When they first dropped and broke the screen immediately because all those iPhones screens couldn't hold up. And they went to Gorilla Glass after that. Yeah, they. There was advanced notice. I mean they didn't, they didn't. Everyone didn't start developing the Android stuff at that day. It was already started. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember I had one of the first. I though. I think I had the first iPhone in the UK. Remember the very first iPhone.

[Adam Curry]

And is that the one you dropped in the toilet?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I had it a week and dropped it in the toilet and they did not recover.

[Adam Curry]

Back in those days, he put it in rice.

[John C. Dvorak]

We did that. Rice, kitty, litter, everything. It's all documented on my blog. It never came back. I think that the one thing that I think they're just pissed about the Jony I've thing though. Here's this. So they specifically get into details of. There's one here about how OpenAI was working with hardware firms to carry out a metal finishing technique that Apple had invented. So basically very specific things also talking about circuit boards and these components that go in to hardware devices. And really we started to see this rift between the two companies because remember they signed that landmark partnership just two years ago. It was chat CBT that was baked into Apple Intelligence. But then Sam decided to get into the game of Sam Altman decided to get into the game of consumer hardware and then he brought in Johnny I've. Who's this Apple alumni who was a huge design chief, very important to the iPhone's evolution, who reportedly is working on very similar devices meant for the generative AI era to what Apple's working on right now in house. I mean, I'm very curious to see what kind of device they're going to come out with, what fantastic device will because this is really what we need. We need a replacement for these smartphones. Something that will blow everybody away. It'll be so phenomenal. And Johnny I. Yeah, right, I'm Johnny. I've. I created the iPhone and I built a beautiful Ferrari with batteries. Does anyone buying that thing?

[Adam Curry]

Johnny Ives is one of those guys that probably has some design genius in him but needs like a prick like Steve Jobs to run him.

[John C. Dvorak]

To run.

[Adam Curry]

Tell him to. No, that stinks. That's, you know, that's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I could just imagine Steve Jobs looking at the Ferrari going, this sucks. Go back, go back to the drawing board. You built me a $500,000 roller skate. That's no good. So I was listening to I can't remember. It might have been something with, I don't know, Ted Cruz might have been in the Oval Office and the president said something that I thought was

[Adam Curry]

just

[John C. Dvorak]

like, oh, that's your hedge because you've got all these data centers and we know that these data centers, there's going to be too many of them. Even if AI is wildly successful, nobody needs all these data centers. They just don't need it. And he said this.

[Adam Curry]

And if we let our guard down on AI if I didn't come up with the idea for electric plants producing plants, they become a utility. Basically these guys producing. You might as well put them down. Paul. I think you should mark them down as utilities because frankly, in many ways I'm more impressed by their electric plants and they're building them on top of the Buildings alongside of the buildings, standalones right next door.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is kind of genius. It may be completely by accident, but if the data centers don't work out, the amount of energy, gas fired energy, nuclear energy that will have been built in up in all kinds of areas where people have the inverse problem now of data centers supposedly going to suck away all of their energy, taking their electric bills up. This is kind of a distributed grid that is being built here. Here's another thing he said, but you

[Adam Curry]

have to see some of the electric producing degenerating plants that they're making. Nobody's ever seen because they're brilliant people and it's a fantastic thing. But if I didn't come up with that idea, maybe somebody else would have. I doubt it because it's too simple. I mean, it's such a simple idea. Do you know that your friends, Michael, when I came up with that, I told Mark Zuckerberg, I told Bezos, I told all of the people. AI Sam, A Sam told them all. I said, no, no, I'm going to let you build your own plant and I'm going to get you fast approvals.

[John C. Dvorak]

AI Sam. Yeah. And, and so I guess I didn't believe it at first.

[Adam Curry]

They thought I was kidding. You know, they said, said and they would submit plans without an electric plant. And I'd get calls from Lee Zeldin, who's a star the environmental fast approvals, good approvals, but fast. And they call up and say, sir, these plants are not taking advantage. And I call them. I said, why aren't you producing? They said, we thought you were. Every one of them, they thought I was kidding because they can't believe it. Number one, they can't believe that they're approved in a period of a matter of weeks because if this was somebody else, it would be 20 years before they're all under construction. We get, we do rapid approvals and some are nuclear plants because nuclear is now really hot and safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Safe. This could be a genius piece of infrastructure for the United States. I think it really, I think this could be big, much bigger than the AI nonsense. Everybody's got some cheap energy around the corner.

[Adam Curry]

So you think it's a Trojan horse?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think he was like, listen, I don't think this president is stupid. I think he's looking at this going, hmm, I keep hearing about these Chinese models. This is all happening. But hey, I'm brilliant because I'm going to get everybody some cheap energy.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I hope that's exactly right. What happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that would Be fantastic. Especially nuclear energy. They already approved four of these small, small nuclear reactors that are.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Nothing in California, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, no, you guys, you hate Trump, so you don't get any. No energy for you. And CNBC keeps seeing problems on the horizon.

[Adam Curry]

Our next guest warns that a significant slowdown in the payoff of AI could tip the economy into recession.

[John C. Dvorak]

Apollo chief economist and partner towards and

[Adam Curry]

Schlock joins us with more. Torsten, great to have you with us.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you're basically asking the question, what

[Adam Curry]

if it takes longer for this payoff to actually materialize or what if it doesn't happen? Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

What are the odds?

[Adam Curry]

How do you, how do you assess the risk and the reward here? Well, let's first agree that is making a huge difference on all our lives. So it will be a revolutionary technology. It continues to have a dramatic impact. But the key issue from a stock market perspective, any stock price is essentially the net present value of the future cash flows. So the discounted net present value of future cash flows then suddenly becomes important. What is the slope of those cash flows that are coming in the future? And the question now, of course, is what are the assumptions in market pricing today about how quickly revenues will come to the hyperscalers on the back of the investments that they have made? So it's really this simple observation that a lot of investments are being made and our markets now pricing in that revenues are coming too slowly, too quickly at the right pace. This is essentially the discussion that we're having in markets and the debate, namely, will the revenues come quick enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is going to be such a great collapse. It's going to be so fantastic. It's going to be so fun to watch. And people will still benefit from. From something. From AI there's benefits to it, but I don't know. AI Sam. I don't know, ma'.

[Adam Curry]

Am.

[John C. Dvorak]

AI Sam's not looking good.

[Adam Curry]

I like AI Sam is.

[John C. Dvorak]

AI Sam. I am. Am. And so just to wind out my technology segment, do you know what Palantir actually does?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know what they actually do. If there's something behind the scenes, but, you know, they're supposed to monitor. You know, it's like an intelligence agency almost.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So tell. Tell me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so. And this, this is because I was watching another Whitney Webb appearance somewhere.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, God.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. And I'm like, oh, goodness. Because she's a Palantir. Peter Thiel. Palantir. Peter Thiel. Flock. Cameras, data centers. All the data centers gonna be. You'll be in prison. And so I found people are getting rid the flock. Cameras are a problem, and the people are getting rid of them.

[Adam Curry]

That's because they're misidentifying stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's no good. So Karp was on Charlie Rose in 2009, and it's quite interesting to see him because he's kind of the same guy. He's not quite as frantic as he is now on his recent CNBC appearances. And he comes from the humanities. He wasn't a tech guy at all. And after, after 9, 11, the big thing was, well, we screwed up because there was no integration. We couldn't track. We couldn't figure out who was doing what. We couldn't sift through the data. And so the general consensus, I would say, is that Palantir is just a horrible machine that is built to track everybody and kill you. I mean, wouldn't you say that's the general consensus of what people think of Palintrades?

[Adam Curry]

I think some people think that, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But there's two sides of the Palantir system, and that's why they're in so many governments. And I thought it was interesting. So I have a couple clips here. What we do is we use what legal scholars call predicate based research. So we would look at you and

[Adam Curry]

then we would go out and say, oh, there's lots of different things in your life that may be indicative of someone being someone involved in bad behavior, but it would also be very clear how the government looked at you. It wouldn't be a wide net cast into a sea of data that brings

[John C. Dvorak]

back all of our.

[Adam Curry]

All the innocent citizens that are touched by that net. It would be a very precise, very precise operation, and each step in that operation is documented.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is what I found interesting. The reason why they're so successful is because, yes, you can use them. You can use the Palantir system to target someone individually, but the system keeps a complete record, and I guess it's indisputable, of who used it, when it was used, and under what authority it was used. So he gives an example here. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

But it's part of your ability to see around the corner then in terms of before something, before they take it down.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can see patterns of people and.

[Adam Curry]

Or actions and. Or behavior. Well, what we do is we help people, like we did with the Dalai

[John C. Dvorak]

Lama, figure out if you actually have

[Adam Curry]

been infiltrated so what kind of data is leaving. And they had been. They had been, and in a massive way. But then, two, we say these people are likely to actually Be this. They appear to be teenagers, but they are teenagers that are likely being handled by this organization, or they actually are teenagers. Or more likely, when you're done with our diagnostic, we say we are not

[John C. Dvorak]

sure who they are, but we are

[Adam Curry]

sure they are in this building.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't you send someone to go

[Adam Curry]

find out who they are? Why isn't this going to collide head on into privacy and civil liberties?

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. Charlie Rose, when he's not asking about your DNA, he's asking a very decent question.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it would if there was a contradiction between finding terrorists and protecting civil liberties. But the exact same transparency you can use to find terrorists, you can use to see what the government's using. The central question, in my view, of civil liberties, is how it's not if

[John C. Dvorak]

the government has data, because let's assume

[Adam Curry]

the government has as much data as a health insurance company. It's how is that data being used? Is it being used in a way that's lawful? Meaning do they have the right to use it? And is it being migrated into places

[John C. Dvorak]

it's not allowed to be used?

[Adam Curry]

We allow. We allow the enforcement of rules that government ought to enforce. And by the way, my experience is they want to enforce, or at very least know they need to enforce. And if it's framed in that way,

[John C. Dvorak]

then you can have, you can have what is the ultimate Silicon Valley solution.

[Adam Curry]

You remove the contradiction and we all march forward.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I don't know if it's still used that way. 2009 is a long time ago. But the general idea is kind of good, like, we want to find terrorists, but you can't just be pinpointing, tracking every American or any American citizen. So if you're doing it, you have to go through certain warrant procedures, and that is an audit trail that supposedly the Palantir system keeps track of. Well, that's not all that bad, is it?

[Adam Curry]

I never had that much of an issue with Palantir, but the Jews, I haven't had an issue with the Jews either, or the Muslims, for that matter.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is like one of the main things of Palantir, when they target people and they kill the wrong people and they're doing all the killing. I'm like, this doesn't sound like, well, flock, where was my Whitney Webb stuff? This, ma'. Am, this is another one. Just like Candace Owens. Eventually, I think eventually people will stop, you know, getting. No, you don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

And I, I. And the reason is not because of their deplorable content or misinterpretation of facts. Their presentation, Candace Owens presentation is very superior to almost anybody out there. She's really good at presenting it and being convincing. And Whitney Webb with that stupid smirk, she is also a convincer. She has a look like she knows something even though she's in Chile or someplace. She's not even in the country.

[John C. Dvorak]

She was on that Jimmy Dore show and Jimmy Dore loves her. I think Jimmy Dore just thinks she's. And what she's saying and the way she says it. I mean it's stuff that we've talked about 15, 16 years ago. I mean your basic economic hitman stuff, you know, like. Okay, yeah, well, believe it or not, lots of money flows from governments into NGOs. And NGOs go into think tanks and think tanks create population policy. That's how it works. We know this. Right, Right.

[Adam Curry]

You're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. So but when she presents it, it's like, well, wow, I didn't know that was happening. That there's this transnational group, so you got to use words like transnational that Epstein was part of, but he wasn't gotta throw in.

[Adam Curry]

Drop Epstein.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gotta throw in a. But he wasn't important in the group. You see the head of it, he's like middle management at best. And that these people exert influences over many governments and they are not really quality overseen by any national government, nor really loyal to any of them. And that they're basically the, the one of the, you know, de facto ways our world is actually governed as opposed to the public governments that we all know which are, have basically been reduced to enabling environments for the policies made by other people that are then filtered down through think tanks or philanthropic foundations. Think the Gates foundation, for example. Like, okay, like we didn't know this. I mean this is, this is what gets me. You're right. It's in the presentation. It's part of her look. She's got the, the big glasses on. She's got kind of a, kind of an interesting mouth movement. She's usually.

[Adam Curry]

She has a perpetual smirk. Yeah, little, little knowing, all knowing smirk, which is like an interesting phrase. She has an all knowing smirk, which sells it. She wouldn't be as good on audio. In fact, just listening to her, you pick up on that nasally, which is annoying as hell, but that doesn't come through on the video so much. You don't pay as much attention to the annoying voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

But then she throws out stuff like this, which, you know, not much of a, of a search to figure out what she's really talking about the way she presents sense. It is Owens esque, I would say. One of the funds that Epstein was involved setting up was actually handling money for our current Treasury Secretary, Scott Besant. And he refuses to release Epstein's treasury records, even though Congressman Ron Wyden asked that they do so. And he introduced the released Epstein Treasury

[Adam Curry]

Records act to Congress.

[John C. Dvorak]

Haven't heard very much about that lately. But I really hope it passes because people deserve to see what was going on there, but I have a feeling it was won't. And so, so, you know, the, these financial, these oligarchs that people like Epstein front for are not accustomed to ever being held accountable for anything. So Wexner is a good example of that, but I don't think it's exclusive to him. So when I hear that, you know, I'm a fan of Scott Best and I'm like, what, what is. Is. Is the gay General Patton hiding something?

[Adam Curry]

Something?

[John C. Dvorak]

So she says Bessen is blocking Epstein's treasury records with a fund that Epstein set up for Scott Besson. Is that how you heard it? Because that's what I heard. But that's not true at all. But it's not true.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, no, it could be that. That's what she said.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of the funds that Epstein was involved setting up was actually handling money for our current Treasury Secretary. Handling money. Handling money for our current treasury secretary?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, money managed. She was. Epstein was the money manager for Besant, which seems unlikely, patently untrue.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. There was a Soros fund that was 50% owned by. What was it? What was the name of this fund? So Soros fund Manage Management. And it was the Epstein Southern Trust Company. And they had an intelligence research firm called Ergo, and they listed Besant as a client working for Soros. That's not quite the same as, you know, handling Bessant's money. You know, so this is bull crap. Yeah, bull crap. And so then. And then she.

[Adam Curry]

There's gambling going on. Bull crap from Whitney Webb.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then. And. But she winds it up with one of these. Look at intelligence agencies. Let's take the CIA, for example. They serve those same masters. The CIA is not, not the top of the food chain. So for example, if you look at the early coups of the CIA, who were they for? Well, and Iran in 1954, it was for Anglo American Oil in, in Guatemala, it was for United Fruit Company. You know, the list goes. Oh, wow. The list goes on. This is like, oh, what? And she. But she presents this in A way that is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Because the United Fruit Company was so important.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. She says, mesmerized by people are measured. Glenn Beck is all in on her too. Like. Oh, yeah, she's the smartest person I know. She's. She's studied everything. No.

[Adam Curry]

So is the Kiriakou.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Kiriakou spreading himself too thin. At least Whitney Webb, you know, kind of stays a little bit exclusive.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, Kiriaku's out. You know, I should have taken this clip, but it was the agency. Season two is out, and there's two agents talking to you. I'll go back and try to find this. And one agent says, no, what we do. What we do for a living is lie. We're liars. Yes, we both lie. I lie, you lie. We lie. We lie for a living. We're liars. Liars. And it goes on and on. And I'm thinking of Kiriakou and that piece I did about him lying about the refineries in Florida, where there are no refineries. These guys, they're just full of shit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah, they are. Yeah. But, you know, podcasting, I'm glad. Glad we invented that. It's good stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Back to that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's good stuff.

[Adam Curry]

It really.

[John C. Dvorak]

It really is moving culture forward.

[Adam Curry]

Well, talking about podcasting, I want to bring in this then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Because as you know, one of the things that the media always used to do and they stuck. They kind of backed off from. From it ever since Elon took over Twitter and called it X, but they used to always take. And in Twitter they said this and on Twitter they said that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

This is a clip from ABC news, that same July 10th show. And Martha Radnitz going on and on about how Trump is having issues.

[John C. Dvorak]

Radnitz.

[Adam Curry]

Radnitz. Radits. Radits.

[John C. Dvorak]

Radnits.

[Adam Curry]

She actually looks like her name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, aptonym. There we go. She's an aptonym.

[Adam Curry]

So she is rambling, rambling, rambling. And then it ends with a Joe Rogan clip of bombing. The ceasefire clearly broken. President Trump saying it's over. The US now expanding its targets beyond military, hitting a railroad bridge in Iran

[John C. Dvorak]

that Iran quickly repaired.

[Adam Curry]

President Trump insists Iran wants to make a deal, a claim he's repeated throughout this war now five months long. They want to make a deal so badly. But Iran instead firing missiles and explosive drones at US Bases in Bahrain and Kuwait, with the US Embassy in Jordan warning all Americans to seek coverage. Those strikes intercepted. But Iran tightening its grip on the Strait of Hormuz. That's causing the cost of oil to rise. And here at home, gas prices which had started to fall during the ceasefire, now ticking back up to $3.83 a gallon. Tonight, the end game unclear and Trump

[John C. Dvorak]

supporters like podcaster Joe Rogan sounding increasingly dismayed.

[Adam Curry]

The President led the country into this war.

[John C. Dvorak]

Most people are horrified by the idea because Trump was elected. One of the pillars that he stood for apparently was that he doesn't want any more wars. Wow. Random Joe Rogan quote.

[Adam Curry]

Are you kidding me?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not Joe Rogan's opinion. He's saying this is what's going on. And how did she, how did she frame that? Let me hear her again.

[Adam Curry]

Orders like Podcaster Joe dollars 83 cents a gallon. Tonight, the end game unclear and Trump support, like podcaster Joe Rogan sounding increasingly dismayed. The President led the country into this war.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's good. That's good. He's just explaining it to someone. Most people are horrified by the well,

[Adam Curry]

I'm just saying you don't have to play it. It's like, can you do better than. I mean, going to a podcast and then taking some random clip out of context like you said. Yeah. Is worse than the old media taking the Twitter quotes. Oh, on Twitter they said this. Yeah, somebody on Twitter said that.

[John C. Dvorak]

So good.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Rogan's very, you know, he's, he does so much content that you can probably clip from him forever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. See, what do we have? What do we have? What do you have besides?

[Adam Curry]

I have a couple of things. Let's go at the. Well, first of all, let's play the. Let's keep up with the Iran threats BBC story. I get that out of the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Iran's Supreme Leader has issued a statement vowing revenge for his father's death. Ayatollah Muj Tabar Khamenei's father Ali was killed by an airstrike in Tehran in February. His funeral ceremonies were held held over the past week. Meanwhile, the Iranian Foreign Minister is in Oman for talks with mediators. But American negotiators will no longer travel there. Kasra Naji from BBC Persian reports.

[Adam Curry]

The Supreme Leader's statement stops just short of a full scale fatwa or religious edict. It's a call for the assassination of the leaders of the United States and Israel. The two leaders colluded in an Israeli bombardment of the former leaders residence in central Tehran at the start of the war more than four months ago. The hardening of Iran's position comes on the day the United States has set as a deadline for Iran to commit to guaranteeing freedom of shipping in the Strait of Hormuz.

[John C. Dvorak]

The tit for tat.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what it kind of sounds like. But that brings us to the British thing again we talk about on the show question a bit. Their control of kind of a work the scene, let's call it and that. Which brings me to this clip which is of. You know, we haven't talked about the earthquake in Venezuela. There's nothing really to deconstruct. It's just news. But there is a little tidbit on one of these reports.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yes.

[Adam Curry]

Which I have here. Yes I did. And you have to another BBC report. Listen to this. This is Venezuela.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm glad you got this one. Venezuela's government has called for the release of frozen assets to help raise funds for its post earthquake recovery. The interim president Delsey Rodriguez has said she had written to King Charles asking him to secure the release of about 30 tons of Venezuelan gold held by the bank of England under UK sanctions. Oh yeah, no, we're not going to give it to you.

[Adam Curry]

30 tons. 30 tons.

[John C. Dvorak]

How much is the.

[Adam Curry]

That somebody out there should do the calculation for us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

The robot at $4,000 an ounce.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's just ask the robot.

[Adam Curry]

30 tons.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's just ask the robot. And now is that British tons or American tons? Is there a difference?

[Adam Curry]

Who cares? It's a big number.

[John C. Dvorak]

Book of Knowledge. What is the dollar value of 30 tons of gold?

[Adam Curry]

Let's see if we can do a calculation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, of course, he's a robot. It's thinking hard though. It's tough. Here we go. According to the Book of Knowledge, as of this very day, gold is priced at 4121.95 per troy ounce. And since one metric ton contains 32150.7 troy ounces, 30 tons of gold is worth approximately $3.97 billion. Well, that's not bad.

[Adam Curry]

That's not that much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, you'd be surprised. There's not that much. There's entire days when I like eh. I dropped 4 billion. Well, I'll just leave it there. It's too much trouble to bend over. That's quite a lot of money. They need it. They need the money. But it's under British sanctions. That's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I found that peculiar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. So I see you have the pilot jumps from plane story. You have the full story Story, Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Do you want to hear it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course. I'm a pilot. I want to know.

[Adam Curry]

We turn To a horrific story now emerging. The shocking moments on a plane. An instructor jumping from the plane, leaving his young student to land the plane on her own. How she saved her own life. Here's Victor Akendo tonight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tonight, the frightening incident for a student pilot in Argentina forced to land a

[Adam Curry]

Cessna 150 during a training exercise after her instructor jumped to his death.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ms.

[Adam Curry]

Authorities say 42 year old Leandro Bertazo

[John C. Dvorak]

had been working as a flight instructor since 2022.

[Adam Curry]

On Saturday, the student taking off with

[John C. Dvorak]

Bertazzo from the Flying Parrot Cordoba school.

[Adam Curry]

An official from the flight school telling ABC News the instructor told the student,

[John C. Dvorak]

you know what to do. Then he unbuckled his seatbelt, opened the

[Adam Curry]

door and jumped out of the plane. This was a remarkable breach of trust between an instructor and a student putting her in a very dangerous situation. Situation. The 22 year old student alerting the

[John C. Dvorak]

flight school and managing to land the plane safely.

[Adam Curry]

The student actually had her license. She just didn't have the number of hours that were required to use that license.

[John C. Dvorak]

Police locating Bertazo's body in the Toledo

[Adam Curry]

district around 6pm According to a school official, Bertazo's family says the pilot had gone to see a psychiatrist last week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, a couple things.

[Adam Curry]

That's the kicker by the way. Well, this, he went to see a psychiatrist.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a lot of mental health issues in aviation which go unreported because you know you will not be flying. The second thing that I'm surprised it wasn't in this report that this was actually marked up as a COVID death. I was surprised I didn't mention that. Yes,

[Adam Curry]

that's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

It's kind of a callback joke though.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's an old one. So the President, he says the most interesting things sometimes. Sometimes. And whenever he says we're looking at something very strongly which is just, just a weird English structure, I always pay

[Adam Curry]

attention and I made reference today that Australia has a thing going that's very good. It's really worked out very well. We have good respect for Australia and that has to do with people that are working people. And it's something that also there's puts them in much better shape when they're retirement age. So we're going to, we're going to do that. We're looking at that very strongly. We're going to be taking that and we're going to be maybe making it a little bit sharper, a little bit even better. But we're going to be doing that. And Scott you're working on that immediately, right? You and the whole group. Howard, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I hear this and I'm thinking, okay, are we doing something to replace Social Security, which I think by definition almost has no money. It's never been really been funded, just the general account. Are you familiar with the Australian system?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I went to Sky News, who of course picked up on the story. I want to get to another policy issue where President Donald Trump is talking about emulating in Australia. In Australia, we have compulsory superannuation. It's been in place for about 40 to 50 years. A labor or leftist government brought it in, but 10% or so of our salary is compulsorily put into retirement savings. And here's the president, he thinks he might follow suit.

[Adam Curry]

And I made reference today that Australia has a thing going that's very good. It's really worked out very well. We have good respect for Australia and that has to do with people that are working people. And it's something that also does. Puts them in much better shape when their retirement age. So we're going to, we're going to do that. We're looking at that very strongly. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there you go. This is not as straightforward as it seems. For instance, in Australia, people struggle, young people struggle, to save a deposit to get into the housing market because 10% of their incomes go into super. This scheme massively boosts the power of the unions and so far, at least, it hasn't really generally seen governments save a lot of money when it comes to age pensions and the like. Kristen. So I think what. Because I did look this up, it's a compulsory superannuation. So employers put a mandated share of wages, which I think is closer to 12% than 10%, into each worker's private, individually owned investment fund. And that's why, I think, why Trump likes it, he's like, well, if you just put money into The S&P 500, you know, over time that'll of course all money devalues, but over time that's going to be a winner for you, for you personally, unlike Social Security, which is just a big loser for everybody, you know, and that's why he says, Scott, you're going to work on that, aren't you? Yes, boss. Change it a little bit. But that could be interesting.

[Adam Curry]

It's not going anywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why not? What you, you don't like, Are they

[Adam Curry]

talking the big game about the Social Security is sacrosanct. Yeah, to use a word. To use a important word.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, big word.

[Adam Curry]

No, not gonna happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's because you depend on it. Without, without your Social Security when this podcast would not be able to.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, there's that, but beside, beside the point. It's like, you know, it already is compulsory and it shouldn't be. Be. You know, the fact that it's mixed with the general fund is technically illegal. It's supposed to be a standalone insurance that has been collected and collected and collected and it's been mixed. Mixed with the other. It's been stolen from basically the Social Security. Yes. If it's going to go broke, it's not because it's really going broke, it's because they've stolen the money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

And so now they're looking for an out. Oh, God, we stole the money. Now what are we going to do? We can't put the money back. We haven't got anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seems like Trump is just, you know, trying to.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Trump is. Well, he thinks like an investor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what I'm. That's what I'm saying.

[Adam Curry]

But, you know, public doesn't think that way. I mean, that's why he's given all the new babies $1,000.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I like, like that. And if my, if my grandbaby ever comes, she has until tomorrow morning, 10am and then we really have to get on the plane. I've been in a hotel room for two weeks. I'm a little tired of it and Christina's tired of it. But this could be another week or

[Adam Curry]

two, as Mimi said to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Didn't they know that all first babies are late? Two weeks late, at least.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, we do.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you did know.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, yeah, I knew that. But we had to be here for my mom's memorial and you know, I can't stay here for a month.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I see what you say. Oh, you're just trying to do two birds with one stone here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Big mistake.

[Adam Curry]

Hoping for the best.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Ideally.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what's going to happen is if she doesn't. I'm sure unless she goes into labor tonight, you know, obviously, then we delay our return. We're going to have to come back in August when the baby's here, which will also be. Be fun. But then we'll just stay in Rotterdam and do our grandparent thing for a couple days. So I put out a challenge to no Agenda Nation on the last show. Do you recall the challenge?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

That at least somebody. One of our people.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes, right. I do know.

[John C. Dvorak]

The challenge would have to be a patriot front member.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or know about them. Or know About. About them. And I only received one email from Sir Rocketman Ed Leboutier. Yeah, very long email. But he says he's not a Patriot Front member. He knows many of them. He believes it's a legitimate organization. He likes the Patriot Front's American nationalism approach. The reason for the masks is to avoid doxing. It makes the focus on the body of marches instead of individuals. Now, now I'm thinking he knows, but he hasn't joined. But no one else. Nothing at all. And then this Roswell Encina dude who works for the National Archives. He's doing the rounds now. So he wasn't just on CNN for that one appearance. Oh, no. Oh, no. He's on pbs. So now I'm more convinced than ever that this is definitely some form of an. Whether the participants are willing or not. Listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

But one set of images has drawn attention for a very different reason. They show hundreds of masked uniformed men

[John C. Dvorak]

marching through parts of Washington on the

[Adam Curry]

morning of the Fourth of July. The men are members of Patriot Front. That's a white supremacist group formed in the aftermath of the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice positioning. Nowhere do they say they're white supremacists or hate black people anywhere. I don't think they've said that, but okay, that's what you say.

[Adam Curry]

PBS images of members of the group riding Metro trains alongside other passengers have

[John C. Dvorak]

since gone viral on the Nawaz spoke earlier with one of those passengers. Roswell Encino was on the D.C. metro headed to an Independence Day celebration in Maryland on July 4th. What kind of name is Roswell Encino, by the way? That's kind of a. I'm Roswell.

[Adam Curry]

Roswell Encino's a pseudonym.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, spook name. Back to July 4th, you're on this train. You're headed to a celebration. You notice these men coming on the train, and this photo of you then goes viral. What's going through your mind at that moment in the picture?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I was scared. I'd be lying if I told you I was trying to be strong. But, you know, when a massive amount of men who are masked, covered with sunglasses and a baseball cap, and you can't identify any of them, your natural instinct is to really just like, oh, my goodness, what's happening? Who are these people? What are their intentions? Oh, my goodness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my goodness.

[Adam Curry]

What are they going to do in the Metro? So I kind of, you know, kind of made myself smaller.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you look at that photo now, what goes through your mind? What Goes through your mind.

[Adam Curry]

I still have a hard time looking at myself in that photo. It's because, you know, people take photographs of you when you're smiling, when you're happy, maybe when you're sad or excited, but you never see yourself when you're scared. But I'm really hoping, you know, when people see my photo, most importantly the photo of that African American woman who was also surrounded by them, that they understand that we have our stories too, and our stories are part of the nation and that we're all part of this story of the United States. You're sitting in a. In a seat on a metro. So what part of the story. Did anyone say anything to you? Did they. Did they threaten you?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. This guy's liking this way too much. And then, you know, is he a white guy? Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But then what's he worried about? If he's a white supremacist group, maybe he was brown.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't. I don't. I don't know. He didn't seem like a minority.

[Adam Curry]

Well, what's his name again? Roswell. Encino.

[John C. Dvorak]

Encino. Roswell and Cena.

[Adam Curry]

That's kind of a Hispanic sound.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the, the black woman. Now I'm not sure this is true because it's X, but supposedly she. She was like squatting or lifting up her dress before they came on. There was video of that. It may be someone else. I don't know that that started happening almost immediately. Oh yeah, look what, who. Look what she was doing. I don't know know. But here is PBS's take on the black woman. There were those other photos, as you mentioned. There was one of a black man on a metro train. Black man. I didn't even see the black man.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, this guy, I'm looking at him. He is probably some sort of. I don't know what kind of Hispanic, but is extremely gay. Well, yes, if you look at his photos, it's. I'm sorry. So obvious.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I could kind of tell by the voice.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, you could tell if you see these photos. You go, okay, yeah, he's very, very gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think they're anti gay. I don't think they've ever said. We know.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think. Don't seem anti anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

They just a bunch pro American, pro something. Here we go. There were those other photos, as you mentioned. There was one of a black man on a metro train ride, also surrounded by members of that patriot front. The black woman who you mentioned, who's since been identified by her family. As Bernita Boulding.

[Adam Curry]

And.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I need to ask you about this, because since she was identified, there has been a real wave of some very ugly, some racist comments about her and that photo. Have you seen anything similar? And do you worry about the response now that you're out speaking publicly about it?

[Adam Curry]

Sadly, yes. I can't help but see the comments towards me, the comments towards her, and it's very discouraging. Some of them are like, well, they didn't touch him. You know, they left him alone. You know, he wasn't bullied physically. It's hard to understand what a person of color goes through in this country, especially when you're by yourself in a contained space and that position you're put in and not knowing what's gonna happen next. And that's how we felt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This is so opy the way this sounds. Yeah. All right, one more.

[Adam Curry]

It's in your work now.

[John C. Dvorak]

You were at the Library of Congress before that. You know better than anyone the First Amendment protects your right to say what's on your mind and their right to gather peacefully, as they did on that day, and say what's on theirs. How do you think about that?

[Adam Curry]

It's very complex. I'm hoping when people look at our photos or think back on the 4th of July in Washington, that it starts a dialogue, it starts a conversation which is part of democracy. I really think that really will help us understand each other. We've always had disagreements. However, we've always found a way. Way to move forward. You know, there's been a lot of talk, clearly, because it's been the 4th of July of the Declaration of Independence and that all men are created equal. And, you know, when you think of that, you know, that declaration that Thomas Jefferson wrote 250 years ago, Nowadays, it feels more like a, you know, a mission statement that I feel like each generation has done their part to try to achieve it. You know, from, you know, women's suffrage to the 13th Amendment to landmark legislation like the Voting Rights act and the Civil Rights act to LGBTQ rights nowadays, I think we've all. Each generation has played their part to make that a reality.

[John C. Dvorak]

LGBTQ rights rights. Yes. Thomas Jefferson wrote about the LGBTQ rights. Yeah. So since we did not receive anything, I'm just going to have to continue to think that this is some form of an op, and maybe these guys don't even know it, but they're being used as one, that's for sure.

[Adam Curry]

I agree.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And then Marco, Marco Rubio, our next president, he had the very brief, very good statement about America and about everyone's obsession with politics. I think politics has made us crazy. Everybody in this country has lost their minds on politics, politics. And we have forgotten that America is not a government. America's not a president. America's not a Congress. Let me tell you what America is. America's your family. America is your faith. America is your community.

[Adam Curry]

That's America.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what our adversaries don't understand. And that's what we need to remember. That is how we're going to rebuild this country and turn the page and have a future even brighter than our.

[Adam Curry]

This is. This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so that's why I feel so strongly about this. Amen, brother. Marco.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. This is a presidential style speech. Absolutely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

That is bull crap. He is practicing.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's doing a good job. I like.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he's great. I think. I agree. I think he's going to be the one.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's good. Perfectly good.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, everyone's. There's. There's a group that wants Vance, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah, we don't.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only if he becomes fat jd then,

[Adam Curry]

then he would be great and dances a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, did you see Nick, your boy Nick, who's for boating in California? The YouTuber, the. What's his name?

[Adam Curry]

Fuentes.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no, Nick. Nick the guy.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Nick Shirley.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nick Shirley.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so we already thought that this was. The administration was kind of a part of this Nick Shirley because there's always a dude next to him.

[Adam Curry]

There's something screwy about Bob or Dave.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Bob has all the paperwork and Dave knows exactly where to go. And then Nick Shirley goes in and says, I'm just asking questions. Oh, he was out. He was. He was out in New York with Dr. Oz.

[Adam Curry]

This is a war on fraud the likes of which you have never seen. I feel like Johnny Cash. I've been everywhere, man. I've been to California, Iowa, Ohio, Minnesota. Today, New York City.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flushing Corporation, Queens.

[Adam Curry]

We take you to the front lines wherever we're going Here, Social Adult Daycare center is the biggest fraud you've never heard of.

[John C. Dvorak]

I walk through here.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder how is it possible that you would have this many pharmacies in such close proximity to each other? Are we going to start counting?

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you ready?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Okay, so we got one here, one right there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Number two. Look at this.

[Adam Curry]

This is the durable medical equipment supplier. Those are all the things they sell we wheelchairs and automatic scooters. These are expensive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then we have another pharmacy.

[Adam Curry]

Another pharmacy. I'M losing track. Yeah, it's like a game show. You get a pharmacy, you get a pharmacy.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now, now they just throw the guy. You know what? Bob and Dave, good job. Just take Oz. Take Oz out, It'll be good. And then they go past all these Chinese pharmacies and cash only. That's all kinds of like.

[Adam Curry]

Is, is everyone just, you know, fine and dandy? I hate to mention this, but Oz is part of the government. Why doesn't he do something about this? Well, he says instead of going out with Nick Shirley and bitching about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he said something about it here.

[Adam Curry]

This business entity, this social adult daycare

[John C. Dvorak]

center, which I'm pretty sure none of your adult daycare center. How can I get in on that

[Adam Curry]

your listeners have ever heard of, Right. Generated two and a half billion dollars over the last years than New York

[John C. Dvorak]

State of which almost all 2.1 billion

[Adam Curry]

was right here in Bushing Queens and Brooklyn next door and you know, the surrounding areas. You go 10 miles to long island from here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doesn't exist, doesn't happen.

[Adam Curry]

So if you're me, I'm supposed to protect the federal tax dollars. It makes you very concerned something's wrong when all the money spent in one place. And what the problem is, it's now starting to metastasize. This bad idea. The fraud is starting to spread. If you're a fraud, stupid, run, because we are coming after you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. By the way, this was all positioning, bravado and like, well, how come you don't. You're not there with the, with the SWAT team busting in right now like this is fraud, none of that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're just floating around with the camera.

[John C. Dvorak]

Although J.D. vance going after H1B now, finally. Fine. At least he says so.

[Adam Curry]

Now I want to talk about another fraud crackdown.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is almost hard to believe, but you know, we have a program

[Adam Curry]

called the H1B visa program. This goes to show how broad based

[John C. Dvorak]

the fraud tax force is.

[Adam Curry]

We're fighting for your taxpayer money, but we're also making sure that fraudsters don't take advantage of these visa programs. Now why does this program exist? This is a visa program that was set up to ensure that if you

[John C. Dvorak]

are a brilliant technology person or a

[Adam Curry]

brilliant scientist or a brilliant doctor, you could come to the United States and get access to this visa program. But you know what's happening way too

[John C. Dvorak]

much is that big corporations and fraudsters

[Adam Curry]

overseas are using this program to undercut the wages of American Workers. So you know what we're doing in the Trump administration? We're saying no more. If you were trying to take advantage of that visa program, you are not allowed into the States.

[John C. Dvorak]

United.

[Adam Curry]

United States of America. Today I'm proud to announce that the

[John C. Dvorak]

federal Department of Labor has started dozens of subpoenas and investigations into foreign fraudsters

[Adam Curry]

who are trying to take advantage of the H1B visa program. Here's a simple principle, ladies and gentlemen. American jobs ought to go to American workers and not foreign fraudsters. And the Department of Labor is fighting back against it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's his version of the presidential speech, Marco. No, not at all.

[Adam Curry]

No, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Show me some results.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the difference, he hasn't been doing it as long as Rubio. But Back to the H1B. This. When I was doing the show Silicon spin in the 90s.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

There used to be a professor up at Cal Davis. I can't remember his name offhand, but he was always moaning about H1B. So we had him on, I think, and at least we discussed him. This whole. This has been going on since the 90s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The H1B. He's claimed it was all mostly the real problem with Silicon Valley hiring Indians to do, you know, jobs that Americans that would get paid too much to do. And it was the whole. There was always, always a way to get cheap labor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So it was a roundabout way and it was. Silicon Valley was the bad actors.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's changing now. Yeah, sure, we got.

[Adam Curry]

That's changing my ass,

[John C. Dvorak]

Sheriff. J.D. on the case. Oh, boy.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so let's talk about the socialists for a second.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes, let's talk about the socialists.

[Adam Curry]

Because you played a clip of some socialists. Socialist yakking about one thing or. I got the clip of a two parter of the socialist chick who comes on. And this is the kind of.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's her name? Which one? Which socialist chick?

[Adam Curry]

This was the one. This was the, the infiltrate. There's this girl, I can't remember her name. She's a YouTuber who does infiltration. Yeah. And she infiltrated a webinar or something where they're explaining a webinar. She's infiltrated a social socialist, democrat socialist or a psl, which I'm not sure, but something Socialist league or something. It was a webinar she infiltrated. And I just, I thought these clips were kind of nailing what they like to do, what they want to do in the future and what their ideals are. And I wrote about this in the newsletter. This is Bull crap. These people are never good. This is a bunch of talkers. When I was a kid in college, I remember hearing the same stuff. It's all revolution. The revolution. We're going to revolution. There's no revolution. Yes, comrades, just a bunch. It's a bunch of talk and a bunch of voting Democrat.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, here we go. We're excited to have each and every one of you to join us for

[Adam Curry]

this important discussion about.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, I'm already sold. This is already good. Is that that Encina guy? Is he also in this, in this group?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're excited to have each and every one of you to join us for

[Adam Curry]

this important discussion about what socialism is, the history of socialism, and what a

[John C. Dvorak]

socialist revolution could look like in the United States. Because the main thing that we talk to with all members with the Action

[Adam Curry]

Network and with our communities is how

[John C. Dvorak]

do we actually achieve it. A foundational step in the socialist reconstruction of society would be the creation of a new constitution. The new socialist government will take position possession of all the existing capitalist banks and create one People's Development Bank. The Electoral College would be abolished.

[Adam Curry]

The House of Representatives could be replaced

[John C. Dvorak]

with the National People's Assembly. That would not only be made up of delegates elected from local election districts, but would also include delegates from the many mass organizations of millions of workers, students and more. And the Senate could be replaced by

[Adam Curry]

the assembly of Oppressed nations to correct the historic injustices imposed on the indigenous

[John C. Dvorak]

peoples and the black nation. This assembly of Oppressed nations will consist

[Adam Curry]

of delegates from oppressed nationalities and peoples. The reorganization of society, including the transition

[John C. Dvorak]

of society to green technology and renewable

[Adam Curry]

energy, will be carried out by the people themselves. Mass organizations will have a central role in a socialist society. These voluntary based organizations will be involved

[John C. Dvorak]

in the day to day management of the affairs of society. So the reorganization of housing under socialism

[Adam Curry]

has to do with the rational distribution

[John C. Dvorak]

of this abundance created by capitalism, but is being held hostage by the capitalist class. Oh, this is great. You know, I would like to invite her to come to Holland and live here for a bit. Or try the UK or anywhere but Poland. And comrade, you will see what that. What. What your end result will be like. Looks good for a moment when the sun is shining.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, it just gets worse. But it's so ludicrous. Here, play part two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now some in the socialist movement want

[Adam Curry]

to distance themselves from the efforts of

[John C. Dvorak]

the hundreds of millions of people in

[Adam Curry]

the world in the Global south, to

[John C. Dvorak]

construct socialism over the past century.

[Adam Curry]

Since 1917, when the first successful socialist revolution took place.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, 1970, successful socialist revolution.

[Adam Curry]

1917. What did it mean? The Russian Revolution. Yeah, that's very successful.

[John C. Dvorak]

How'd that work out long term?

[Adam Curry]

It seemed to have fallen apart, to be honest about it. But we in the PSL uphold both

[John C. Dvorak]

the achievements and the lessons of those

[Adam Curry]

socialist projects and see our efforts here

[John C. Dvorak]

today in the US As a part

[Adam Curry]

of that historical project.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's easy to condemn, but they made revolution and reorganized society on a socialist basis bases and have taken on all of the challenges that come with the reorganization of the political and economic system.

[Adam Curry]

The socialist government would move to shut down the over 800 US military bases across the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

We would bring the troops home and the US Would be denuclearized. So a wave of revolutions would likely take place in the world.

[Adam Curry]

If people win socialism here in the

[John C. Dvorak]

United States, US Socialist projects can actually

[Adam Curry]

advance beyond the first stage.

[John C. Dvorak]

So socialist reconstruction in the US is

[Adam Curry]

not only possible, but it's a historic

[John C. Dvorak]

responsibility to ourselves and the people of the world.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you so much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is great. Yeah, I would really like AOC to run. That would be just so nice.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Newsom is trying to horn his way into the socialist this scene because he thinks that, you know, he sees the inevitability of.

[John C. Dvorak]

He sees that as the way to go.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, he's an idiot. You know, anyone who's met the guy is like, have you met. But he says he was not that bright in school.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you met him?

[Adam Curry]

And had low SAT scores. He's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

But have you met him?

[Adam Curry]

I met him. Yeah. I met him when he was owner of the Balboa Cafe and he came around when he was running for mayor. I was sitting at the table and he comes around. Yeah, I'm sitting with Hearst, actually. And he comes around, introduces himself and we have a long chat because he's going to change news. And he just seemed like this. He seemed very frat boy.

[John C. Dvorak]

He looks like a bit of a frat boy, but. But, yeah, he's. He's mad. He's mad about what the. What they're doing to him and his work wife, which is not. I don't think it's even driven. But from Washington. That's his. That's from California. His own inspector general was going after him. And that's. That's not even a Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it started. The whole thing started with Biden, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

You know, there's some. There's some, I think, forces at work. I think he could end up in jail like Blagojevich.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, that was harsh. They take him out like Blago.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

That's why he's panicking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just to give Kamala another shot. I mean, what are we thinking here?

[Adam Curry]

Kamala's not. She's. I mean, the problem. Kamala looks good in the polls right now, but when she actually goes out and campaigns, she can't get anyone to support her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she's.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody likes her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aoc, man. That's it. Aoc.

[Adam Curry]

I think AOC would be great, but I don't know if they got that. The guts to try to do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what choices do they have?

[Adam Curry]

I think Bashir is up there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bashir, the Kentucky governor?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the Kentucky governor. Andy Bashir. It's not a good looking guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's not a good name for president.

[Adam Curry]

Bashir. That doesn't sound right. He's not socialist enough. You're gonna run a socialist?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be fantastic. Fantastic. We still have to wait a couple years.

[Adam Curry]

The real battle is going to be between the Republicans. It's going to be whether JD Or Rubio can pull it off. And. Yeah, Rubio is more presidential. Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we'll probably be here for that. I'd say.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's coming up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I say probably. We'll try. We'll try. We're really going to try. It's not. Not easy. This will be our fifth time around. Our fifth time around doing that. And with that for today, only one time, I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the adult day care center. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John Cena.

[Adam Curry]

My name is Kramer. Chef C. Post on the graph in the air subs in the water and it dames the nights out there in

[John C. Dvorak]

the 12 trolls in the troll room. Oh, wow, look at that.

[Adam Curry]

Look at that.

[John C. Dvorak]

1855.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Yeah, that's because they want to know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, they want to know about Lady G. Yeah, that's right. Thanks.

[Adam Curry]

And then they got disappointed.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they didn't.

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe they may have been disappointed because all the notes I get. Oh, who killed him?

[John C. Dvorak]

I told you. Exploding microphone. It's obvious. We all know that. No, unfortunately I have to agree with you. I mean, unfortunately, because it would be great for the show, but yeah, when you bring in the genetics and the traveling and the altitude and it's just totally possible. Just had a widowmaker Pop. Done, you're gone. Doesn't take that long. Look at you. About the same age.

[Adam Curry]

Could happen to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No, you can't, because we still have to get to the AOC.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to 90. I don't care what anyone says.

[John C. Dvorak]

90, that's all. Yeah. I'm going the night.

[Adam Curry]

I might get further.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going the night, but my voice

[Adam Curry]

will start to fade. I mean, I listen to Bill O'Reilly, who's like, 82.

[John C. Dvorak]

His voice sounds weak. Bill O'Reilly, his voice, yes.

[Adam Curry]

It's like, what happened?

[John C. Dvorak]

Do that again. I think you kind of nailed it. Yeah. It's kind of sad. It's just not good. Good.

[Adam Curry]

No. And you think you can get some. You know, I don't know. Can you do exercises or. No, I mean, singers. I mean, I was watching this thing of the 50s, you know. I don't know why they're doing that. Nobody's alive from the 50s, but the 50s music. And they had Frankie Lane, who's like this singer from the 40s. Really? We know Frankie, and he's up there singing. He's like, in his 90s, and he still has a voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. Can I just ask you something about genetics? How old was your dad when he passed?

[Adam Curry]

Well, my dad died from a blood transfusion problem. Oh, so it was nothing to do with his genetics. My mom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why did he have a blood transfusion?

[Adam Curry]

Because they gave him a blood transfusion. He had an ulcer that was operated on. They gave him bad blood.

[John C. Dvorak]

No way.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

How old were you? Was he.

[Adam Curry]

He was like, 60s. 60s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that sucks. I was like, oh, that sucks.

[Adam Curry]

But my mom, who died of natural causes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Phyllis, Phyllis, Phyllis.

[Adam Curry]

He died at 90, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Well, good, good. You got some years left in you, Phyllis.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yeah. My concern is my voice is gonna. I think you're Bill O'Reilly. I said, holy. Holy crap. Could that happen to anybody?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. What it is.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, there's like Pat Summerall, these guys that were sports announcers until their late 80s, and they sound fine,

[John C. Dvorak]

I think, because you are projecting into a microphone in front of your face that that's what. That's what keeps it alive. Once you go video and you know you can't have the cans, you're like, Bill O'Reilly doesn't have. Doesn't have. Doesn't have a mic in front of his face. He's not.

[Adam Curry]

No, he's lav it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's not chees. He's not shouting down a tube. He's not spitting in a tube. He's Laved up like a wimpy boy. Then that's when it ends. I mean, the days it could be. Seriously. I mean, the days of. Where is it? Oh, that was. That was not. Wasn't it Bill O'Reilly who said we'd do it live.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Where is it?

[Adam Curry]

We'll do it live.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, see, where's O'Reilly would do it in? Here we go do it live.

[Adam Curry]

I can't write it. And we'll do it live.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, you got to be doing that. If you're not doing that.

[Adam Curry]

He lost his oomph, then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, then you lose your oomph. It's a constant practicing. In fact, it would probably be better longer term for you. I know you don't like this if you put your headphones on because then you're really.

[Adam Curry]

I can hear myself modulate. Yes, I agree with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. How about some in Earth ears, you know, like, like all the cool musicians use, you know, molded to your ears.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Let me, let me consider this.

[John C. Dvorak]

And hey, if you're worried about your voice going, you know, you will be projecting better if you.

[Adam Curry]

I start to modulate, I start to sound like this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

How you doing? Hey,

[John C. Dvorak]

maybe not such a good idea. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, you were listening to the Noah Jet, the show that we do as a public service and we prove it by not forcing you into any monetization scheme at all whatsoever. No ads, not trying to sell you something, just trying to give you the best media deconstruction we can deliver. And something's working because we're, you know, in our 19th, almost 19 years. It'll be 19 in October, and we can, and we, we still want to see AOC and Rubio. So we're going to continue for as long as we can. Can. And we do that because it's value for value. And the value for value is just such a beautiful system because there's no obligation to you. It's only in your heart when you feel like, oh, man, these guys are doing it for me right now. It's 10:20pm I'm here on so called vacation baby Watch. Setting up screens at computers and hotel rooms, going through TSA nonsense every single time I travel, getting the whole thing unpacked, and they never repack it properly. All of that because we want to deliver the show. We just want to continue. John, I mean, he was barely out of a double bypass hospital surgery was back on the mic.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you hardly had, you know, it was pretty bad. I mean, talk about it now. You're back to full strength. But it took a bit. You know, family. Small American family business. Had the wife pitch in there for all a while. That's because we're serious about what we do. And all I ask is that from time to time, even every single show would be nice. You know, that was pretty valuable to me. I had a good laugh. Something interesting that made me feel smarter. Because we don't actually make you smarter, but you'll feel smarter. An angle that you hadn't thought of, maybe a punchline. All of it. It's just there. Send us some value back. And that. This is the beauty of value. For value. Nobody knows what value is to you, what number you put on value. $5 could be a lot of money to you. We're just as happy with you sending that as someone who sends us 5,000. Admittedly, 5,000. I get a little warm feeling. Hasn't happened in a while, has it?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, we had the Rubbleizer donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

We did have a Rubbleyzer, and one

[Adam Curry]

time we had a $10,000 donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was our people in Bastrop.

[Adam Curry]

That's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Who now? Apparently. I think they're in D.C. i think they moved. I think he's working for the government now. Not sure, but I believe they sold the Bastrop place. That was a dynamite place. And value can also be done. You can give us value in different ways. Organizing a meetup. I got a cool jingle today. I haven't been able to use it.

[Adam Curry]

A chingle.

[John C. Dvorak]

A chingle. I got a chingle. You know, I'm not talking about my AI woes today, but I got. What is it? Kevin Trotman sent me a chingle. A chingle. If I tell you how to. How to do the AI Right. Adam's prom jockey pointers. Yeah. So there you have it. Value. Very valuable to me. Now, one of the things people do. Excuse me, Is create artwork. This has been valuable from the first day we did it. Artwork for the album, art that we put into the MP3. And everywhere we post the show, it shows up on noagendashow.net, because this gets people interested in what's happening. What is this image about? Oh, it might be funny or it's topical. And this was admittedly the simplest piece from Interrobang. I don't know if Interrobang has ever. Have we even seen Interrobang previously? Let me see Interrobang's page.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nothing that won. No, I think Interrobang's pretty new. Yeah. Interrobang came in July 2 with the first piece of art. And this was admittedly quite simple. It was the no Agenda Kuri Dvorak. Our door to the consulting company, I guess. And it says, we accept AI tokens now. It wasn't that. I mean, let me see. There was. There was something we're going to say about. Oh, I remember what it was. Yeah. We just didn't want to give it to Darren o'.

[Adam Curry]

Neill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Am I right?

[Adam Curry]

This is the truth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because Darren did the no Agenda Back Batteries, which was a good piece, has been done a hundred times.

[Adam Curry]

We use the no Agenda batteries in the newsletter. Jay picked it because she does that. She picks that. And then if I don't like it, I call her and tell her to change it. But she picked this piece. And not only did she pick the Batteries piece, which is a killer piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it is.

[Adam Curry]

I got a note from one of our producers saying, how can I help promote. Wrote that. That great meme, the no Agenda Batteries.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. It was like, I've never had that. The no Agenda Batteries piece, which was again used in the newsletter. And I posted on both sides.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so this tells me something important. That we made a bad decision. It was the right decision because we really just didn't want to give it to Darren. You were up front, you're like, man, we just don't want to give that to Darren. Am I right or am I I right?

[Adam Curry]

It was actually you, but it doesn't matter. We both agreed and then we discussed. And I'm going to bring it back up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Editorial meetings.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. This is how it goes when you

[Adam Curry]

work in a newsroom or an editorial position in any newspaper, magazine or periodical. And they do these awards like Best of this, Best of that. It's always corrupted by that kind of political. Political discussions. Like we can't give it to Daryl and he's winning too much. And you're the one that said the following.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

To quote you, you said it's going to discourage other artists.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's exactly what I did. Say that because Darren is just pooping out so much AI Art. That's quite good.

[Adam Curry]

It's beyond good.

[John C. Dvorak]

If we let Darren win again, it will discourage other artists. Artists. That's right. We like to. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So there's a political angle to picking things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And this goes on in newspapers and magazines. They have the top 10 list and I have plenty of stories because I've been on many newspapers, many a judging panel.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about the Oscars? Academy Awards?

[Adam Curry]

Come on they're all the Golden Globes.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all corrupt and we're just.

[Adam Curry]

It's corrupt.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're just as corrupt as the rest.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Here's a political aspect to all these selections.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And that was exactly the consideration was. No, Darren was, is getting too damn good at this because he'd just be winning every week I'm seeing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, but Darren, I mean, of course Darren doesn't, doesn't have a job. He only has to cook for his wife. You know, he's doing podcasts, you know, and so he's, he's got it, man. I'm looking what, what he's put in today. It's like there's some dynamite stuff in here.

[Adam Curry]

Here.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's still people. There's still a chance. Don't let it all be Darren, please.

[Adam Curry]

You know, we have, it's, it's astonishing how much talent that we have, I would say generated from the show. The show. The existence of this show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Has produced, has attracted and created talent and developed talent. Talent, incredible talent.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, look at the no agenda stream. Listen to it. Listen to the incredible talent that's on there. I mean, I take credit for Nick the Rat too. Yes, I do.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And Darren O' Neill's doing 18 shows. You're doing a show with Gene, doing a show with, with Larry, you know, doing the rock and roll pre stream show. Yeah, you're right. It's talent. It's talent. We are the hit makers, my friend. Kurian Dvorak, hitmakers at large. That's right.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I'm surprised people have not given it, have not called to say, hey, you know what? Can you help us do this? We'll pay a big dough.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay? That's not how it goes. Hey, who could help with this? Well, is that Kurt Dvorak? Oh, those boomers. I don't think so. That's exactly how the people. People don't. People don't think about us that way. Only the only those of you in the know who are here, all 1800 of you who are listening and the troll room, chock full. Good to have you here.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's people that will be picking this up later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, later. Yes. So we always thank everybody who sends money to us. Let's just call it that. It's time, talent and treasure. We need the money because that's the only income we have. Except John has some Social Security. Tina's taking early Social Security to make ends meet.

[Adam Curry]

I never took it early.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I said, hey, could you Take that early. If donations are down, take your Social Security early.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm definitely taking Social Security, but I'm beyond early.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, I understand. I understand. So there you go. But I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about my situation.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, can you take it early?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I can't take it early. You can't take it early until what, 63, I think.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know, but I wouldn't do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, easy for you to say, my friend. So we thank everybody, $50 and above. Never under 50 for reasons of anonymity. And we appreciate all amounts, all donations. Donations. We do have some extra benefit for people who support us. $200 or above. With that, you get it at Hollywood Credit, Associate Executive Producer. And we're guaranteed to read your note. We may truncate some of them. I looked at the spreadsheet today. I'm like,

[Adam Curry]

that first note is a whopper. But it's from the archduchess Kim, the Keeper of the Nutty Fluffers.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's different. That is different. We break for these types of, of people and then we have $300 and above. You get an executive producer credit and we will read your note. And these credits are completely legit because we are legit. We come from legacy media. So therefore when we hand these titles out, you're legitimized. You can go to IMDb.com and if you don't have an account, you can open one up with your executive or associate executive producer credit. And we start today. And you are right. And this really saved us today $2,000 from Archduchess Kim, Keeper of the Nutty Fluffers. She's in Hubbard, Oregon and she says right off the bat she wants some jingles. Get those. She wants Screw youw Freedom, A Little Girl. Yay itm Adam and John. Sorry for the long note in advance, John, but you know it's me. So whatever, whatever I would like. Now. Here it is. She would like to ask the no Agenda community for some assistance Daughter's FFA project this year. What is an FFA project?

[Adam Curry]

Future Farmers of America.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, she. Oh, here you go. She bought a lamb and has put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into bringing him to market. She just finished the market class yesterday where she placed 15th in 200 plus lambs. That sounds pretty good. The amount you can give with an add on donation is greatly appreciated. As it goes to help her recoup expenses from this year and buy her lamb for next year. I have included her buyer's letter that takes you to her website where you can send in a donation, add ons end 18th of July, which is coming up quick. Can you guys please add it to the show notes? Well, of course. On that same note, I wanted to bring to your attention the Oregon Peace Act, IP28 that could be on this November's ballot. If passed, it will ban hunting, fishing and livestock breeding along with other things. Things. Well, that sounds un American and certainly. What an Oregonian in Oregon?

[Adam Curry]

No livestock in Oregon. Are you kidding me?

[John C. Dvorak]

No hunting, fishing, nuts. Well, you can. You can have livestock. You just can't breed them. This is.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, kids, go behind the barn, go

[Adam Curry]

over to Idaho and pick them up.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is huge and we need to do all we can to not let this pass. This will be detrimental not only to efforts and 4H but also make any meat production in the state illegal as it will ban slaughtering. Now, where's your Muslims? Thank you so much for all that you guys do. I hope to make it to grand Duchess this year, but I'm still waiting on my Rubbleizer Challenge coin. Oh, so this is hurting the show. Where's our Rubbleizer Challenge coin?

[Adam Curry]

We're back on it. We're back on it. This is hurting the show. This came up in the conversation recently.

[John C. Dvorak]

The show.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I guess it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you for your attention to this matter, Archduchess Kim. Keeper of the nutty fluffers and at request.

[Adam Curry]

Screw your freedom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yay. There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Why don't you get the next one and I'll get. Because I have a letter. I have the. The note for the third one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's another shorty from Colin Fannin and Matt Michigan. 333 and 33 cents. I am the owner of Fanon Fitness, where my mission is simple, personalized fitness. Oh, I know Colin. He's still. He's still waiting for me to fill out my onboarding sheet. Personalized Fitness for people with real Constraints. Like a podcaster, through my online coaching program, I work with clients across the country to create customized training and nutrition plans that fit their schedule, lifestyle and goals. Whether they're looking to lose weight, build strength, improve their health, or simply feel better. Every day, I've helped women navigate pcos and menopause. Youth athletes prepare for their sport in the weight room. Older adults improve bone density and reduce their risk of falls. And middle aged men ditch dad bod and regain their confidence. Can you help me with my low t? Whatever your goal or your constraints, Fan and fitness can help you build A plan that works in the real world. Visit Noagenda Fitness. Well, there's a donate. There's a domain for you. Noagenda fit. And use promo code Fauci Fauci to save 10% on your monthly subscription. But he also loves bartering. Hey, he'll trade you for meat roofing, firearms and IT services. All right. I like this [e-mail] infoannonfitness.com Go to noagenda.com fit he'll trade you for meat. Ladies and gentlemen. Beautiful. All right, thank you, Colin. And Colin, I think it's getting to the point where I really. Please send me another email. I've lost it all. I really need your help. Yeah, I'm getting so much grief from the keeper. You're going to die.

[Adam Curry]

You used to be a spin class guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I used to be a spin class guy. We don't have a spin class here. But I should just be working out, just pumping a bit of iron because every. You know, we're at the age now where people are dying. You know, it's like oh, Lindsey Graham. Well, there you go. There you go. That's going to be you. You got 10 more years. You're going to die like Lindsay. Don't be like Dvorak. Okay, okay, I got you. So Colin, I'm ready for you.

[Adam Curry]

Commodore Dame Early Turtle 333.33. I have a note, very short note from her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Groovy.

[Adam Curry]

On a nice piece of paper with a cat on it. Dear John and Adam. This actually her printing looks like a font. Oh yeah, it looks like a font and it looks like this. But no, it's. I think real printing. This is a switcheroo. Okay, you got to write this down. The robot won't catch this one. No, this is a switcheroo for my brother Eric, sir. Not appearing in the film. Film.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, you're Keep. Keep that. Will you keep that. Keep that note so I can.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, don't worry, I will. The robot who got some life changing news end of June doesn't say what. Humbly requesting a. Oh, I can figure it out. An F. Cancer. Karma and prayers for him. Okay, well I got. Respectfully, Commodore Dame early Turtle.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got you covered on the prayers especially because John will give me your name cuz the robot will forget all about it. Got you covered, brother.

[Adam Curry]

Got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remind me to tell you about my book.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I started writing it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh good.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I. I want a gateway publishing to publish it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Problem. And can I make any money with that. Can you give me an advance maybe? Really? No.

[Adam Curry]

You're kidding me. You're kidding me. You don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, all right.

[Adam Curry]

Give you the kind of advance you'd be getting from the big boys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Chiffungus among us. I'm going to go on with Colorado in Colorado Springs.257. 94. No jingles, no karma, no fungus among us.

[John C. Dvorak]

HC Roberts Middletown, Ohio 250 USA 250 donation and he wrote we are running out of time to do something about A Vonnegut style satirical novella about crises. We love Amazon and Kindle and paperback. Search the title and author. HC Robe I'm sure it's HC Roberts because he wrote we are running out of time to do something about. All right. That's a promotion of some sorts.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we got a lot of promotions nowadays. Dame Shelley in Grand Forks, North Dakota, Dakota 250 Happy B Day America. And Sir Chadwick of Fargo, North Dakota. July 8th. Do you know GLP1 helps with glaucoma? What? Isn't it good for ITM Dame Shelley

[John C. Dvorak]

250 it helps by rotting your eyes out. Isn't that how it works? So then the glaucoma is taking care of you?

[Adam Curry]

I've heard that. You know, maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ryan Perusi Phoenix, Arizona Row of ducks a long row 222.22 I love you guys. Keep her up. Shout out. Just Baker's stork in delay. Yeah, Just Baker's been really nailing it with the end of show mixes. I can't stop listening to it. Incredible song. Ryan Perusi PHX Arizona Phoenix, Arizona yes, sir.

[Adam Curry]

Tigger Max in Willis, Texas. 22222 John has note. And look, I have a piece with a note on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

How come I didn't get the notes? You only got the notes. What's up with that?

[Adam Curry]

It was Jay's birthday yesterday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, yes, it was.

[Adam Curry]

And I decided to pick up all the checks and do all this note stuff. And I wasn't gonna.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was Tina's birthday yesterday too.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, everybody's birthday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Greetings, gents. Every time you bang away on NPR and pbs, my checkbook starts vibrating and says donate. Good. Those two organizations will go down in history as the ultimate Trojan horse of American social. Also, a reminder for the fans to look at JCD's tip of the Day collections. Better than the old Sears and Roebuck catalogs. No jingles, no karma. Stay safe, Sir Tigger Max.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's good. The old Sears and Roebuck. How we love that catalog. There he Is Ed LeBoutier, Tucson, Arizona. $200. Thank you, Ed. And really appreciate your note that you sent in about the patriot front. And we appreciate you. He says you guys of the best and we thank you for that compliment.

[Adam Curry]

And that brings us to Linda Lupatkin in Castle Rock, Colorado. Jobs, karma. Your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com Lynda helps professionals and executives position their experience so employers see their value. That's Image makers Inc. With a K. And Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Best Linda. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I really love these small one man shops and small family businesses who support the show and throw in their plug. There's something really endearing about it. There really is cute.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I like it when they cross promote each other. And I can see, you know, people are trying it out. I will say it only works if you do it every show. It doesn't just work a one off. You know, that's, that's a. Linda Lupat can figure that out, you know, and, and you know, you can drop out once in a while like Eli the coffee guy or like the Little John's candies, but they always come up around holidays.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, but did you get Little John's candies? Carmen caramel marshmallow stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've been here in Holland. It's probably.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, and this came a while ago before you left.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes, I've had, yes, I've had that.

[Adam Curry]

I have had that with the caramel over a marsh or a handmade marshmallow.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't eat that.

[Adam Curry]

No, I know, but I had one.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you didn't have one of the, of the Louisiana, Louisiana dill pickles.

[Adam Curry]

Not yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you gotta have one of those. And you know, the Manuka Gold. It's so bad. Tina. So last night we're in bed, I'm like, you know, and I spoon her like happy birthday. And I rub her leg because that's how she goes to sleep.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, God.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I say, wow, your leg is really smooth. She says, yes, that's the Manuka Gold everything cream. And she says, I won't even give it to my friend. Friends, they want it, but they're not getting it. She's hoarding it.

[Adam Curry]

And this is, why don't you just tell them to buy some?

[John C. Dvorak]

She did. She looked at it. She said, oh, it's only 39 no.

[Adam Curry]

Why don't she tell her friends to buy some?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's what she's doing now. But everyone's like, oh, yeah, it's only $39.95. It's a bargain. I don't know how these people make money. Anyway, thank you very much, Linda Lou Patkin. Something must be working for her then. Yarmouth. Where do I know this name from? Is that. Is that. Oh, is. He's from. He's from Israel. Oh, it's Jew money. Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

It's about time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, by the. Here's his note. By the power and finances bestowed on me by Bibi Netanyahu, I hereby send shekels for the show. Shekels for the show. Now there's a show title.

[Adam Curry]

Shekels to the Show. There's a jingle waiting to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jackals for the show. And a birthday shout out for myself. 41 on July 12th. That's today. Happy birthday. Hit them in the mouth and if it doesn't work, bomb them. Oh, he wanted the jingle. Bomb them, bomb them and bomb them again. Here we go. Bomb them, bomb them and bomb them again. Yeah. All right. Shuck Pickles for the show. Thank you. That's finally. Much appreciated.

[Adam Curry]

Finally, finally all that work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Unblock me VPNs are last on the list in Honolulu, Hawaii, 200 ITM. Please deduce us you've been de douched. We're a new no agenda motivated all American vpn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Protect your privacy and freedom with Unblock Me vpn. Wherever you are, in the App Store and Google Play Store or online at unblockmevpn.com. try it today for free. Give thanks.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what do you think this is? Because you know there's a lot of VPN services out there.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I use a couple.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I use some too. But is Unblock Me vpn? Is that if you're like, your IP address is blocked because you're a troll and now you want to come in from some other place. And that's why I use Unblock Me vpn. I'm just wondering what their hook is, what their pitch is.

[Adam Curry]

That would be a good pitch.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a couple of people in the troll room right now who've had that problem. You get on a block list, your IP address gets on a block list, and you're in trouble.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You want a vpn. Everyone should have a vpn. One form or another.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got to have a vpn.

[Adam Curry]

I'll check this one out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know you will. For free. I will, but it's only for App Store and Google Play. So it's for your phone. You have to use it for your phone or online. Well, maybe you can get it for your computer. Maybe you can.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's got the dot com. I'll check it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. Hey, thank you very much to these executive and associate executive producers for episode 1885 of the Best podcast in the Universe. We really appreciate this. That's why we give you those special Hollywood credits. They're real, they're valid for a lifetime wherever you go. Use them at your LinkedIn, use them on your social media profile. Use them to pick up people in bars. Thank you very much for supporting the best podcast in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[Adam Curry]

Order.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up, slave.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up, slave.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we continue with our thanks for everybody. $50. And above the hundreds here, Forrest S. Brinkley in North Canton, Ohio. Sir Alan bean, Beaverton, Oregon. $100. You have a note, apparently.

[Adam Curry]

I want to say something.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got a note. You got a note. It says right here.

[Adam Curry]

Normally we don't read notes at this level, But Alan, Alan be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's been given for eight ages. Ages.

[Adam Curry]

I tell you, he's been giving us $50 a month forever. And he said in his original $50 note, when he used to live in Oakland, he said, I'm going to keep sending you this money as long as the show stays. Is a good show.

[John C. Dvorak]

As long as it's what he said, stays a good show.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, it stays a good show.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so we're still.

[Adam Curry]

Now he says, listen to your little note. Am stepping up my monthly donation nation. Wow. Given the inflated environment and the dedication you fellas have exhibited over all these years. Thanks, boys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, thank you. Thank you, Sir Alan.

[Adam Curry]

So now we can. We'll be hearing from Alan. He's, by the way, he's a baron. Yes, Baron Allen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Baron Bean. Baron Bean.

[Adam Curry]

Baron Bean.

[John C. Dvorak]

Followed by Countess Knights from Edmonds, Washington, with 100 and coming in faithful as always. He's the old faithful of the show. The Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boob. Sir Kevin McCall Laughlin from Concord, North Carolina, with 8,008 $80.08. It's the Boob Zone Nation. God bless America and boobs. Rocket Boy, Brownsboro, Alabama. Yes, we heard from Rocket Boy. It's his birthday, July 14th, and you get a present. Now that. Now you're talking. $65.80. That's. He's got his Gen X donation plus fees. He says thank you for your courage, rocket boy. Thank you. Jennifer Followill in Sun City West, Arizona. 2nd Annual Gen X donation is an honor. Oh, this is interesting. So this is connected, I guess. Maybe not. Second annual Gen X. No, just a gen X donation in honor of my sister Julie Knowles. 46th birthday on Tuesday, July 14. Love you, sister. Jennifer Followell. Stephen Shumake, Xenia, Ohio. $64.80. Sir Les Tarkowski, Kingman, Arizona with small boobs. 66, 6006. Christopher Dector, 5678. Always love that one. Sir Patrick Coble. And talk about royalty from Franklin, Tennessee with double nickels on the dime. The duke of the south will be at the Asheville meetup on the 14th and the Charlotte meetup on the 15th. Hope I can see some dukes named Kevin and all of y' all in the Carolinas. All right. Hey, when Patrick Coble is at a meetup, it's a meetup worth going going to. Cameron Ling, North Branch, Minnesota. Double nickels on the dime. Happy birthday Mary Crabtree with double nickels on the dime. Ecton, Tennessee crab claws. Smoking hot wife is Elkton. It's Elkton. Yes. Elkton 5150 from Commodore Crummy in El Cajon, California, Dame Rita Sparks, Nevada. $50.33. Always wonderful to see her on the list. ITM gentlemen, happy birthday. Jay Dvorak. You're the the best. Alexander Beatty, Tomball, Texas. $50 and a penny. Here are the 50s. Tim Del Vecchio, Blandon, Pennsylvania. Gary Mao in Woodland Hills, California, Sir Alex Zavala Kyle, Texas. Dame Patricia Worthington, Miami, Florida. Brandon Savoie, Port Orchard, Washington. Crab claw from Prospect, Tennessee wants a

[Adam Curry]

deduching you've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

And rounding out our 50s oxygen othericks from parts unknown with $50. Thank you all very much for supporting the no agenda show. It's very easy. Anybody can do it and you should. It's a good idea. Support this very small family business as we move towards 19 years and hopefully towards 20. We continue to bring this to you as a public service because we love doing it and we would love to continue doing it. All we need is a little bit of support. Everybody should and can pitch in. So go to noagendadonations.com any amount is welcome. We love the numerology and if you want to, you can even set up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency. No agendadonations.com. Game. Shelley wishes Sir Chadwick of Fargo, North Dakota a happy birthday. He celebrated on the 8th. Yarmouth Moore turned 41 today. Dave Jones, my brother from another mother. He is my Compatriot on podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org he celebrates on the 14th. Rocket Boy celebrates with him on the 14th as well. And Jennifer Followell wishes her sissy Julie, her sister Julie Noel a very happy birthday. She'll be 46 on July 14th. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. No nights, no dames, no title changes. The Red Knights is over. No nothing. We got nothing, baby. But we do have some meetups. First, a meetup report. This is from the East Texas Meetup.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, this is Rudy reporting here for the no agenda Happy birthday Daniel.

[John C. Dvorak]

East Texas bi monthly meetup here at Rotolos.

[Adam Curry]

Today we are having a grand old time celebrating Daniel's birthday. And let's check in with everybody else.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Patty in the morning. Happy National Paul Bunyan Day. This is Sir Tim of the Domstead

[Adam Curry]

and Dame Mary of the Dome Stud. No mas tuckered out.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Melinda.

[Adam Curry]

Happy birthday, Daniel White.

[John C. Dvorak]

She met Dirty Jersey. Hey, this is Dirty Jersey here at the Longview meetup. There's a rumor that somebody's birthday, but

[Adam Curry]

I don't know who's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, in the morning, y' all be good.

[Adam Curry]

What's up, guys? This is Neil.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've been a server for these guys for a minute. They come about every trivia and I

[Adam Curry]

love these guys to death. They make me laugh, make my day even better.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm also a tattoo artist in Longview if you all want to come check me out.

[Adam Curry]

It's the Iron Dragon on Pine Tree Road. But yeah, the Rotolos is a great pizza place.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have trivia every Thursday and Sunday.

[Adam Curry]

These guys are awesome.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know where I'd be in at Rotolos without these guys. So thank you all. That's what I'm talking about. Why we don't get every single server doing that or owner of the bar is beyond me. What a great opportunity to plug your business. And thank you, Dirty Jersey whore for your East Texas birthday meetup. There is a meetup come with actually two meetups this Tuesday the 14th, the Scottsdale no agenda meetup. Tacos, margaritas and media Deconstruction starts at 6:00' clock at local patron brewery or patron brewery in Scottsdale, Arizona. The Keller South Lake meetup, 6 o' clock, Dallas Fort Worth. That is what's on tap. Watt WOT in Keller, Texas. And it's a bring your own food operation there. Just so you know. I guess you can get drink on Wednesday the 15th, the Duke of the south will be in North Carolina at 6:30 at Highland Brewing in Asheville, North Carolina. And he will be at Charlotte's Thirsty Third Thursday monthly meetup at 7:00 at Ed's Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina. How about that? Coming up this month, San Pedro, California on the 18th, Fort Wayne, Indiana the 25th, Anaheim, California 25th. The 26th, Sequim, Washington and the 30th, Alpharetta, Georgia. We have tons of meetups taking place all the way through almost the end of the year. I see. Bangkok, Thailand on the 8th. I see, let me see. That's a big international one. The thing is go to no agenda meetups. This is a place. Well, it's a website but when you go to a meetup this will be a place where you will find your, your tribe I guess is what I want to call it. You're going to fall in line right away with everybody. It doesn't matter what your background is, how old you are, how tall, how, how sweaty. It doesn't matter everybody. We got a lot of sweaty people at these meetups. I've been a sweaty person at the meetup and it doesn't matter because everybody will just dig you. I'm telling you, the people you meet will be your first responders in any emergency. We have so many no agenda telegram groups. People are always connecting with each other. Talking a lot of smack too. Connection, that's what you get. And you know what connection gives you? It gives you protection. Go to a no agenda meetup, you will not regret it. I guarantee it. Noagendameetups.com if you can't find one, start one yourself. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days.

[Adam Curry]

You wanna be where you won't be

[John C. Dvorak]

triggered on hell lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah baby. Always like a party. John's tip of the day is coming up. It's the Sears and Roebuck part of the show as well as well as some fun end of show mixes as we move towards 11pm here in Gitmon Lowlands. Time for the ISOs. This is where we select something we'll play at the very end of the show. John put his two in. Forbearance. Is that the word?

[Adam Curry]

Forbearance? That's a good word.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good word. So I don't even think I'm gonna win but I'll play my three first and then we'll see how yours work out.

[Adam Curry]

It's so funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dude, this one's too long.

[Adam Curry]

We want to thank you very much. We've had a tremendous time and I think a great stuff. Success.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. And there's always going back to the well, we're out of here. All right. I think it's going to be one of yours. No doubt about it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, I got two. I went into a lot of trouble to get trouble.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of. A lot of prompting.

[Adam Curry]

Let's start with it turns out Obama.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was a great show. Kudos to no agenda. Yeah, it's kind of realistic, kinda about Biden.

[Adam Curry]

That was a great show. No joke. I'm serious. Not kidding. Now go out and donate to no agenda today.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we gotta go with Obama. Biden is just so boring that even if it was spot on, it's just boring. The guy's boring. He's hurting the show. That was a great show. Kudos to no agenda. Well, we'll have to take it. Hey, but before we even get to that, it's time for John's tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Green fast for you and me, just

[John C. Dvorak]

the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

[Adam Curry]

So I'm going back to the well with cleaning products.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mimi is going back to the well with cleaning products.

[Adam Curry]

And I have a bag of these right here. This is the blueland toilet bowl cleaner tablets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this something you throw in the. The tank?

[Adam Curry]

Three in one? No, you throw it in the toilet bowl and it foams up or it bubbles up and then you take a brush and it. It does an amazing job. This is better than using typically Ajax or. Or comet or one of, you know, you dump it in there, try to get the thing clean. This is a very good product.

[John C. Dvorak]

And blue.

[Adam Curry]

Blue land especially. And it's no plastics, as these little tablets are like, you have to touch them. There's no plastic around. They don't want microplastics going down the drain.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's especially handy in these days of explosive diarrhea.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a very, very timely lemony.

[Adam Curry]

Very lemony.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lemony. I would love to know. Just like the patriot front, I'm now thinking this explosive diarrhea is just another hoax. Do we have any. Anyone within the no agenda listening audience who has had explosive diarrhea this recent bout of it or do you know someone and I want to know the severity of it. Was it truly explosive? This is very descriptive, this explosive diarrhea.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if you email me and you give me the description, I will personally send you a pack of today's Tip of the day, which is. Name it again.

[Adam Curry]

The products Blueland Toilet bowl cleaner Comes in a bag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blue Land Toilet bowl cleaners. Hey, find all the [e-mail].

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, everybody. Hey, so let me check my phone. Let me see. Still no baby as far as I can tell. Big baby. Baby. Nope, no baby. I guess I'll be coming home tomorrow, which means we'll be coming to you from the Texas hill country for Thursday's show before we have to turn around and go back to see the baby. Oh, it's great. It's gonna be great. Thank you all very much for being here, for supporting us. You should continue to support us by going to noagendadonations.com up next on the no agenda stream, if you stay tuned, we've got, oh, for the first time in a year and a half, grumpy old Ben's.

[Adam Curry]

But the show's been off for a year and a half.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll be Chef Bemrose and Chef Darren o' Neill celebrating Christmas in July. How about that end of show mix is from just baker Kevin Trotman and Purian. And we thank them for their courage as well. So from here, the swanky southern district of Amsterdam, the Netherlands, in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. We'll be back on Thursday. Till then, everybody, thank you. No agenda donations is where you can send your value. Adios, mofos. A hooey, hooey and such. Yo, dudes, I totally read like half a pamphlet.

[Adam Curry]

War.

[John C. Dvorak]

Red wave hang 10.

[Adam Curry]

We'll figure out the details and everyone

[John C. Dvorak]

gets something free that's super rad.

[Adam Curry]

Like Ocean Breeze Chairman says we all can chill long as somebody pays the bill. No equations, no debate Just good vibes and confiscate. Whoa. Red wave hang 10.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoops.

[Adam Curry]

Figure out the details then don't need facts Just good vibrations See at the demonstrations Cowabunga, comrades surf up at the red Tide.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's about to pup Will Adam still be there to see the baby drop? The family has gathered the weather's getting hot not even in the club When's the wait? Ain't going to stop.

[Adam Curry]

Pop, pop, pop.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's about to pop. Will Adam still be there to see the baby drop? It could happen any moment she's ready to explode. The baby was out before the next episode. Value for value, that's the only honest loop return. What the show delivers Keep the signal in the groove random v4v DIY no corporate middleman in sight Fuel the frequency producer make the independent light burn bright they pioneered the model when most were still chasing corporate ad cash Random do it yourself donations Every producer adds their own stash Executive producer credit hits different forever etched on the bio a lifetime pass 250 for the 250th anniversary help the show make that history Last recurring keeps the whole thing Healthy Lucky 3333 or 75 $0.70 an hour for the truth PayPal Stripe Old School check to the box or stacking sats to the strike address no excuse knighthood on layaway 50amonth for 20 invest in the resistance with no stress True independent media no agenda but the one that keeps the listeners in the mix the value you return is the fuel that keeps the engine from stalling in the corporate rain. Sustaining subscriptions are the vitamins. Without them the show catches the mainstream flu and fade. So ask yourself the value it drops in your ear every week. Then return some value back. That's the pact that makes the strong stay unique Value form value no strings,

[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

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[Adam Curry]

the best podcast

[John C. Dvorak]

in the universe mofo dvorak.org na that was a great show. Kudos to no Agenda.