1748 - "Brain Rot"

Summary

No Agenda Episode 1748 - "Brain Rot" Summary

Release Date: March 20, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Podcast Description: Deconstructing Media with No Agenda, by Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak

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1. JFK Assassination Files Release

The episode begins with a discussion about the release of previously classified JFK assassination files by the Trump administration. Adam Curry emphasizes the long wait: "They've been waiting for that for decades." [02:10].

Key Points:

• Release Details: The Trump administration released 60 to 80,000 pages of unredacted files related to JFK's assassination, available on the National Archives website. [02:10-02:38]
• Content Overview: The files provide detailed insights into Lee Harvey Oswald's activities in Mexico and the Soviet Union months before the assassination. [02:10-03:09]
• Conspiracy Theories: The hosts touch upon various theories involving Russian and Jewish involvement, noting the lack of conclusive evidence. [01:42-03:09]
• Redactions and Omissions: Significant portions related to Israel and other sensitive topics remain redacted, leading to skepticism about the completeness of the release. [04:00-05:00]

Notable Quotes:

• Adam Curry: "They've been waiting for that for decades." [02:10]
• John C. Dvorak: "There's nothing earth-shattering. I mean half the people say the Russians knew it." [01:42]

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2. European Defense Rearmament and Steel Porcupine Strategy

The conversation shifts to European Union's ambitious defense plans, highlighting the Steel Porcupine Strategy aimed at bolstering Ukraine's defense capabilities.

Key Points:

• EU Defense Plan: European commissioners propose an 800 billion euro initiative to establish Europe as an independent defense power, including joint purchases of military equipment. [13:18-14:00]
• Factory Repurposing: Belgian Defense Minister suggests transforming a closed Audi factory into a weapons manufacturing facility, focusing on light armored vehicles and drone production. [15:23-15:55]
• Queen Ursula's Address: In Denmark, Queen Ursula addresses military cadets, advocating for rearmament as a means to avoid future wars. [15:55-17:19]
• Steel Porcupine Strategy: Defined as making Ukraine "indigestible" for any invader by investing 50 billion euros in military support and training over 73,000 Ukrainian troops. [21:07-22:28]

Notable Quotes:

• Unnamed Contributor: "This historic academy is one of the reasons I chose Denmark to speak about security..." [17:19]
• John C. Dvorak: "They will hold your beer while you two guys fight." [17:31]
• Adam Curry: "So we have third priority for European defense... the steel porcupine strategy." [21:40]

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3. Elon Musk and Tesla Protests

The hosts delve into recent violent and non-violent attacks against Tesla facilities, exploring potential motivations behind these actions.

Key Points:

• Vandalism Incidents: Multiple acts of vandalism against Tesla repair facilities, including shootings and arson, are reported. [64:51-65:23]
• Protest Movements: Discussion about organized protests against Elon Musk, featuring figures like Alex Winter, who advocate for peaceful resistance. [75:22-84:17]
• Globalist Influence: The narrative suggests coordination between anti-Musk factions and globalist agendas aimed at undermining American manufacturing. [70:32-78:08]
• AI Reliability: Skepticism about relying on AI for accurate information, especially concerning complex issues like the JFK files and current geopolitical events. [08:25-09:10]

Notable Quotes:

• Adam Curry: "Nothing. CROC can't even draw..." [08:25]
• John C. Dvorak: "Elon Musk, you didn't create U.S. aid..." [60:52]
• Unnamed Contributor: "This was a targeted attack against a Tesla facility..." [64:51]

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4. AI Reliability and Dependence

The hosts express concern over the increasing reliance on AI systems like ChatGPT and Grok for information, highlighting potential pitfalls.

Key Points:

• Inconsistencies in AI Responses: Highlighting how different AI systems can provide varying answers to the same question, leading to confusion and misinformation. [09:19-09:35]
• User Overreliance: Critique of users treating AI outputs as authoritative without verifying sources or understanding underlying biases. [09:21-10:09]
• Emotional Influence: Discussing how AI might influence users' emotional states and decision-making processes. [09:35-12:00]

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak: "If you looked it up on Chat GPT, that means it's right." [09:21]
• Adam Curry: "I have used these systems a lot and I get the biggest kick out of the fact that if you use more than one..." [09:19-09:35]

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5. NATO Expansion and Historical Context

Revisiting the debate over NATO expansion, the hosts discuss its implications and historical assurances made during the Cold War.

Key Points:

• Historical Assurances: Reference to the 1990s assurances made to the Soviet Union that NATO would not expand eastward, and the current tensions arising from perceived violations of these promises. [32:53-33:40]
• Political Pressures: Discussion on internal EU pressures, particularly from Germany, advocating for rapid NATO expansion to Central and Eastern European countries. [30:18-34:45]
• Russian Reactions: Analysis of Russia's opposition to NATO's growth as a strategic vulnerability and its impact on US-EU relations. [33:13-34:45]

Notable Quotes:

• Unnamed Contributor: "We gave categorical assurances to Gorbachev back when the Soviet Union existed..." [32:53]
• John C. Dvorak: "They recognize that historically, there were assured boundaries, but reality shifted." [33:29-34:09]

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6. Miscellaneous Topics and Humorous Segments

Interspersed with the main discussions are light-hearted interactions, humorous banter, and acknowledgments of donors with playful titles.

Key Points:

• Donor Acknowledgments: The hosts humorously recognize contributors with titles like "Commodores" and "Knights of the Roundtable," enhancing community engagement through satire. [Throughout the latter part of the transcript]
• Streamers and Ads Critique: Commentary on streaming platforms' strategies, such as autoplay ads and episode releases, critiquing their impact on viewer experience. [Various timestamps]
• Household Anecdotes: Playful discussions about everyday tasks like sorting towels and managing household chores, adding a relatable and entertaining dimension to the show. [Various timestamps]

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak: "We have nothing but high fidelity intelligence just for you." [Closing sentiments]
• Adam Curry: "Sorting towels and folding laundry." [Throughout]

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Conclusion and Final Notes

The episode wraps up with the hosts encouraging listeners to support the show through donations, emphasizing the podcast's value-for-value model. They acknowledge donors in a humorous and exaggerated manner, reinforcing the community-centric approach of No Agenda.

Key Points:

• Donation Encouragement: Emphasis on the value-for-value donation model, urging listeners to contribute based on the show's worth to them. [Final parts]
• Community Engagement: Recognition of donors with comedic titles and personalized messages, fostering a sense of belonging and participation. [Throughout the end of transcript]

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak: "Thank you for supporting us. We will thank the $50 and above donors in our second segment." [Closing sentiments]
• Adam Curry: "That's what they say to advertisers. You don't even know if people listen to it. That's the scam right there." [Concluding remarks]

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This summary provides a comprehensive overview of No Agenda Episode 1748 "Brain Rot," highlighting the main discussions, key points, and notable quotes. The episode interweaves serious analyses of geopolitical events with humor and community engagement, maintaining the show's characteristic blend of information and entertainment.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I saw the fly. I'm not buying it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, March 20, 2025. This is your award winning Kimonation Media assassination episode 1748. This is no Agenda. Suffering a constitutional crisis and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we discovered that the Aussie intelligence agencies were behind the of JFK's assassination.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry I crashed you. You were out. You were out of. Out of Runway.

[Adam Curry]

I was.

[John C. Dvorak]

You were out of Runway. You were out of Runway, man.

[Adam Curry]

I know, sorry about that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just say I'm John C. Dvorak and I'll edit it in. No one will know the difference right now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crackpot and buzzkill. No one will know.

[Adam Curry]

There will be no edit.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right. Correct, sir. There will never be an edit. Editing is no fun. It's just not.

[Adam Curry]

What's the point?

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to deal with that. Well, the files are out and we now know.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're not completely out. We have to remember there's the third are still missing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you know what, I have to be honest with you. I really don't care. There's, there's, there's nothing earth shattering. I mean half the people say the Russians knew it. They told CIA, the CIA didn't. You know, they covered it up. The Jews did it. I mean it's everything, it's everything out there.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it depends on who you wanted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, I mean of course it depends on what you look at, but it's like there's no conclusive evidence. Do you mind if I just play the one clip I have which is from the CIA broadcast systems, which would be the only ones you'd be interested in in their report for this particular matter.

[Unnamed Contributor]

After more than six decades of waiting, several thousand new pieces of history now in America's hands.

[Adam Curry]

They've been waiting for that for decades.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And I said during the campaign, I do it and I'm a man of my word. On Tuesday, the Trump administration released thousands of unredacted files related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963 in Dallas. Most of the files are now posted on the National Archives website sharing important detail about Lee Harvey Oswald, who investigators say was JFK's assassin. Even ones detailing Oswald's movements in Mexico and the Soviet Union months before the assassination.

[John C. Dvorak]

What could be major but won't be what the public's expecting is information that the CIA knew more about what an.

[Adam Curry]

Unhinged character Lee Harvey Oswald was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only six weeks before the assassination, author.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Gerald Pozner wrote the book Case Closed, one of the first publications to state Oswald alone killed the President. He says these files are not a smoking gun, but still important.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that it became part of Dallas's DNA. It was associated with Dallas in a.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Way that other assassinations have not been, according to FBI expert and JFK historian Ferris Ruckstuhl. He says the records paint a much broader picture of intelligence involvement in monitoring, downplaying and concealing critical information about Oswald and the JFK assassination. The FBI and CIA had pre assassination intelligence on Oswald's activities, but chose not to act and later engaged in deliberate efforts to mislead official investigations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now the CIA is leading us down their path.

[Adam Curry]

I guess, of course, that's what you do. I have two clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Jfk. These are from ntd.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, that is quality guaranteed.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The Trump administration releases the JFK files, making good on the President's campaign promise. NTD correspondent Jason Blair gives us a snapshot of the release.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's. I think it's the same guy who I just had in my clip, the Jason Blair guy. I could be wrong.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The Trump administration released the files on Tuesday that contain about roughly 60 to 80,000 pages. And some of these files have been released before. However, there was a lot of information redacted and this batch appears to have much of that redacted information. And this is something that President Trump said that he wanted.

[Adam Curry]

So people have been waiting for decades for this. I don't believe we're going to redact anything. I said just don't redact.

[Unnamed Contributor]

You can't redact and you'll make, make your own determination. The files have been released on the U.S. national Archives website and it could possibly be weeks before we know for sure. If there are any bombshell revelations in the JFK case so far there are new details coming out with a lot of stuff still being discovered. For example, there is information detailing how the CIA went about tapping telephones in Mexico City to monitor communications between the Soviets and Cubans at their diplomatic facilities, which these facilities, these are where Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald visited in the months leading up to the assassination. There's also instructions detailing CIA operatives on how to wiretap. And there's new info on covert activities in Cuba targeting revolutionary leader Fidel Castro. And there's been some buzz on a previously released note going around again. On social media. This allegedly was written by JFK son JFK Jr. In 1994 to then Senator Bide. In the letter, he called Biden a traitor. Reportedly, the FBI did investigate this and wasn't able to confirm that the letter was really written by JFK Jr.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that was the Easter egg they put in there. Let's just put a little fun thing in here, shall we? Let's do a little.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure there's more than one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something a little fun. Yeah, a lot of statecraft. They CIA wanted Israel redacted. You know, it really is the biggest ever in all show history.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The distraction of the week.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, heaven forbid we bring out the Epstein files.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, we can't do that.

[Adam Curry]

So let's play part two of this.

[Unnamed Contributor]

A court has blocked that part of Trump's order for now. Still, Cammardella says the problem is nobody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really understands what illegal DEI means.

[Unnamed Contributor]

He says nothing about federal anti discrimination law has changed this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. It's completely the wrong clip. I don't know. I don't know how that happened. I'm sorry.

[Unnamed Contributor]

JFK's grandson, Jack Schlossberg, reacted to the.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was wondering why DEI was in.

[Unnamed Contributor]

This JFK files release, criticizing networks for covering it. He wrote on social media, quote, you don't need to cover the fake JFK documents story, especially when there's so much real, real news. JFK's nephew, RFK Jr. Who is the current Secretary of Health and Human Services, has frequently been a supporter of the release of these files. He has previously said, quote, a government that withholds information is inherently fearful of its citizens ability to make informed decisions and participate actively in democracy.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you're. You're telling me that they. This is. There's another tranche yet to be released or will never be released, according to.

[Adam Curry]

A guy that showed up on Jesse Waters. He says one third of the files are missing. And by the way, the Schlossberg character who condemned the JFK junior Commentary, where he called Biden a. And he's a Kennedy, I guess, where he called Biden a traitor. Who cares?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's.

[Adam Curry]

What is he. So. So somebody. Why is he defending Biden in any situation like this anyway? I mean, I just. This is beyond me.

[John C. Dvorak]

The whole thing is kind of dumb.

[Adam Curry]

But, yeah, it's a distraction, but at the same time, it's a good. It's fun. Oh, yeah, there's these threads all over Twitter that you go on forever.

[John C. Dvorak]

My favorite.

[Adam Curry]

And there's redactions all over the place. Who are we kidding here?

[John C. Dvorak]

I love it when people throw it into Grok. Come on, Grok, tell me who killed jfk.

[Adam Curry]

Nothing. CROC can't even draw is a front for the CIA. Brings. People have asked Grokdale. It says that the documents prove that Oswald was the lone loan assassin. Comes up with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's actually, I've been noticing this more and more. People I respect will say, well, I looked it up on Grok or I looked it up on Chat GPT. I'm like, I can't talk to you. Like, you looked it up on Chat GPT. That means it's right. What do you think this is? It's like, did you look at the sources? Did you just take that for whatever chatgpt said is true. It's concerning.

[Adam Curry]

I have used these systems a lot and I get the biggest kick out of the fact that if you use more than one. In other words, you don't ask Rocky, ask Grok.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you get different answers.

[Adam Curry]

You get different answers, of course. And if that doesn't tell you that, well, I don't know here. Why is that giving me a different answer?

[John C. Dvorak]

The question is, what are you doing in this moment?

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

What are you doing in this moment?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the. In this moment? Yes, yes, I had the. Did I get the. In this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got it for you.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The strength that we have is in this moment. Listen to your constituents. Center them in this moment. But I can tell you that there are a lot of people that are watching his leadership in this moment. This is the moment. No, I think about what's happening you.

[Adam Curry]

In this moment.

[Unnamed Contributor]

What's important is that we meet this moment. So are these current Democrats the ones to meet the moment?

[John C. Dvorak]

Meet the moment.

[Unnamed Contributor]

What do you want to see us.

[Adam Curry]

Doing right now in this moment?

[Unnamed Contributor]

And which Democrats are actually going to stand up against Elon Musk and Donald.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump in this moment.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Fight that you all are exhibiting is not just what the base wants, but it's what this moment requires.

[John C. Dvorak]

In this moment.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, let's. You got that? I have. I had the same clip you did. That's a super cut of in this moment. Let's try to figure out why. What. What is this all about?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's about this moment. It's this very moment in history. This time. It's kind of like in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

What is the op here? What is they. What are they trying to accomplish with. By dropping this in this moment into every conversation? I mean, what is it supposed to do?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's. I think it's an NL psyche. It's an NLP trick. Yeah, but what I don't, I don't really know. It just, it's notice in this very noticeable.

[Adam Curry]

But I just, when I first ran into it, I'm thinking what are you trying to. Are you guys that lost or is it code to show that you're all on the same team? Maybe. I mean it baffles me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, hold on a second. I'm going to ask ChatGPT and they will tell me the phrase. Here we go, here we go. You grock it.

[Adam Curry]

The phrase.

[John C. Dvorak]

The phrase in this moment can be relevant to NLP neuro linguistic programming in a couple of ways. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

What question?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my question is how is in this moment an nlp? Of course I had to prompt it.

[Adam Curry]

I just want to make sure we're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Coming out of the blue with that mindfulness and presence. NLP often emphasizes the power of being fully present. Language patterns and patterns and reframing. Oh, they're just throwing that in state management. Oh, I like that. The concept of state refers to one's mental, emotional and physiological condition. Practitioners often use phrases like in this moment to guide individuals into a more resourceful state by directing attention to their current feelings. And I think that's true. That is probably what it is. That's probably straight from the NLP guidebook. It's like in this moment. So when you're watching that you think, oh my God, what's happening in this moment? Let me feel inside myself. I don't feel good in this moment. How do you feel in this moment? Maybe, Maybe.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I can't figure out what these guys are up to at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, in this moment, I think the real in this moment is what's happening in Europe. They have gone collectively nuts. I mean like really all out warmonger. Let's just not pussyfoot around it. Let's go, let's go, let's go. Let's spend the money. Let's go into debt. We need the war machine.

[Unnamed Contributor]

A roadmap to rearmament. On Wednesday in Brussels, European commissioners laid out their 800 billion euro plan to make Europe an independent defense power.

[John C. Dvorak]

450 million European units, citizens should not have to depend on 340 million Americans. Okay, that's fine. To defend ourselves against 140 million Russians who cannot defeat 38 million Ukrainians.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Ideas already too, by committee.

[John C. Dvorak]

How arrogant is that?

[Adam Curry]

What did he say?

[John C. Dvorak]

He said 420 million Europeans should not have to rely on 340 million Americans to defeat 140 million Russians who can't even defeat 8 million Ukrainians. That's because they haven't used their 20,000 nuclear weapons yet. You tool defeat 38 million Ukrainians.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Ideas already tutored by Commission President von der Leyen in recent weeks. The Commission believes 650 billion euros could be raised block wide if member states are given more lassitude in their budgetary rules and laid out on Wednesday plans for the 150 billion euro Security Action for Europe or SAFE Fund. The EU would take out loans in its own name and issue loans to member states making joint purchases of defence equipment, an approach aimed at promoting interoperability between member states militaries. The instrument also hopes to stimulate homegrown defence industries. With 65% of funds ring fenced to be spent in the EU, Norway and Ukraine. Companies in third countries like the US, UK and Turkey could benefit too. But subject to conditions, other partner countries, entities and products can be eligible for common procurements subject to an agreement with the Union on financial conditions and security of supply.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so we get 40% of that, so roughly 300 billion euros. We'll take it. And meanwhile, where we heard on the last show that Volkswagen is retooling one of their closed factories to make bombs, the Belgians and other car manufacturers, they're like, this is a great idea.

[Unnamed Contributor]

57,000 square meters of industrial space here in Brussels is currently at a standstill. But what if this huge Audi factory.

[John C. Dvorak]

Became a weapons factory?

[Unnamed Contributor]

That's the idea put forward by the Belgian Defense Minister in the wake of European plans to rearm Europe. There's a factory that's no longer in use with an industrial base that's super easy to convert to the defense industry, for example, for light armored vehicles and for other possibilities, including drone production. Many Belgian companies are interested.

[John C. Dvorak]

I bet they are, since no one's buying the cars. Apparently they're shutting down. But the worst, John, the worst came from Queen Ursula who traveled to Denmark. Very strategic, of course, because what do we know about Denmark? They still think they own Greenland. So she went to Denmark, she goes to a military academy and talks to the cadets. She doesn't say cadets, she says cadets. And she starts off by saying, what is the best way to avoid war? If you were to give a recommendation, if the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group were to give a recommendation, how do you avoid war? Well, yeah, it's not a trick.

[Adam Curry]

To avoid war, you try to keep open communications between various possible war advocates, or not advocates, but people that you might have a beef with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boy, you couldn't have been more off base. That is not how you avoid war.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And this historic academy is one of the reasons I chose Denmark to speak about security and to make the case that if Europe wants to avoid war, you, Europe must get ready for war.

[Adam Curry]

You want to avoid war by getting ready for war. Well, that's not quite the way I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would have done it, but this is insanity.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And Denmark is acutely aware of its own security.

[Adam Curry]

Poor Denmark.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. And these poor kids sitting there.

[Adam Curry]

Not least Denmark's a small country that, you know, just gets caught up in this stuff. They don't really have any at this point in history. They're just. They should stay. They should be like smart money Switzerland, which just stays out of these conflicts completely.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, instead, they will hold your money.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, hey. We'll hold your beer while you two guys fight.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're the cannon fodder kids over there.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Not least because of its unique strategic geography, but also because of recent events. I'm of course talking about the ongoing war in Ukraine and conflicts in other theaters, but also the repeated and continued attacks on critical infrastructure in the Baltic Sea. And of course, the ongoing competition for influence in the Arctic region, including Greenland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay. So, yeah, that's why she's there. Including Greenland. And the war economy is coming back. Of course. Russia, they can't even turn back if they wanted to. No way. And. And we are. We're just deserting them.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The security architect that we relied on can no longer be taken for granted. The age of spheres of influence and power. Competition is well and truly back. Just take Russia. Russia, we already know its determination to deny other countries their right to choose their own path. And now Russia is on an irreversible path.

[John C. Dvorak]

Irreversible. They can't turn back. It's irreversible.

[Adam Curry]

How can that be irreversible to creating.

[Unnamed Contributor]

A pure war economy? It has massively expanded its military industrial production capacity. 40% of the federal budget is spent on defense, 9% of its GDP. And this investment fuels its war of aggression in Ukraine while preparing it for future confrontation with European democracies.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no evidence of this.

[Adam Curry]

She's making this up as she goes along.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And just. Just as these threats increase, we see our oldest partner, the United States, move their focus to the Indo Pacific.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, there's that. We're building big, beautiful ships.

[Adam Curry]

She got that right.

[John C. Dvorak]

She got that part right. So what exactly does this war economy entail? What are you going to spend all of this money on, Ursula?

[Unnamed Contributor]

That means large scale pan European corporations to Address gaps in priority areas. That starts with fundamentals like infrastructure and military mobility. By 2030, we need a functioning EU wide network of land corridors, airports and seaports to facilitate the fast transport of troops and military equipment. At the same time, we need to invest in air and missile defense, artillery, sea systems, ammunition and missiles. And we have to learn the lessons from the battlefield and the changing nature of modern warfare. We have seen the importance of drones and counter drone systems in Ukraine. And Europe needs to develop all types of unmanned systems and the advanced software and sensors behind them. And the same goes for cyber and using military artificial intelligence or quantum computing.

[Adam Curry]

You just put that in there. Shaggy dog story now. Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's where your money's going, people. Quantum computing. But then the final clip. The final clip is really what this comes down to, because it's all just about getting Ukraine and just making Ukraine European or NATO, whatever we want to make it. And this strategy has a name, ladies and gentlemen.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The third priority for European defense is perhaps the most strategic, and that is increasing support for Ukraine. This is what we call the steel porcupine strategy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, baby, the steel porcupine. The steel porcupine. The steel porcupine strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's the steel porcupine strategy. And she will explain.

[Unnamed Contributor]

This is what we call the steel porcupine strategy. Because we may need to make Ukraine strong enough to be absolutely indigestible for any potential invader.

[John C. Dvorak]

You see, if. If someone wants to eat the steel porcupine, then the. The steel spikes will stick out of your throat and your stomach. This is. It's indigestible. Ukraine will be a steel porcupine.

[Unnamed Contributor]

So we need to invest in Ukraine's strength in deterrence through denial. We have done a lot already. We have supported you.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're in denial. All right. Deterrence through denial.

[Unnamed Contributor]

In deterrence through denial. We have done a lot already. We have supported Ukraine with about 50 billion euros in military support alone and trained more than 73,000 Ukrainian troops. And our support for Ukraine's accession to the European Union remains as strong as ever. But there is a lot more that we can do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. So much more. They're crazy, John. The completely nuts. She wants war. She just wants war. I don't see any other way to look at it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what she wants.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who. What is this?

[Adam Curry]

How do you get that way?

[John C. Dvorak]

Adrenochrome.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, let's play this clip before we continue, which is the Ukraine energy fiasco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Ntd. Yeah.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Ukraine now agrees to a partial cease fire with Russia after President Trump speaks with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. But as Trump says, the two countries are on track for a cease fire. Overnight strikes raise questions about enforcement of a truce. Joining us Now Live is NTD's White House correspondent Iris Tao. Good evening, Iris. One of the biggest takeaways from Trump's call with Zelensky today. Good evening. To have so the hour long call between President Trump and Zelensky today yielded a few major things. One, Zelensky now agrees to a temporary energy cease fire after Trump just yesterday got put in to agree to one. Also over a long phone call. And we might be seeing a new deal coming out between the US And Ukraine. The White House says President Trump today, the call suggested to Zelensky that the US can help Ukraine run some of its power plants and that is to give them some protection of their energy infrastructure. President Trump also discussed Ukraine's electrical supply and nuclear power plants. He said that the United States could be very helpful in running those plants with its electricity and utility expertise. American ownership of those plants would be the best protection for that infrastructure and support for Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

[John C. Dvorak]

I here's what I don't understand. The M5M is emphatic about pronouncing Turkey as Turkey. A Kiev is Kiev, but when it comes to Putin, it's Putin poy poo and I'm just pooing.

[Adam Curry]

Or or as Mark Levan calls him, Putin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Putin.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I've heard Putin by more than a few people. Yeah, that's which of course I believe is just a subconscious way of, of implying it's Rasputin Putin.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a funny NPR foreign clip which just like it made no sense when I heard this one.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Listen to this live from NPR News. In Washington, I'm Korva Coleman. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said plans to.

[Adam Curry]

Talk with President Trump now.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Volodymyr. Volodymyr. Volodymyr is Volodymyr. Volodymyr.

[Unnamed Contributor]

He says he plans to talk with President Trump today by phone. This comes after Trump spoke yesterday with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The Russian leader says his country will agree to stop targeting Ukrainian energy facilities for 30 days. But Ukrainian officials say Russia is still firing drones at them, even hitting two hospitals overnight. NPR's Eleanor Beardsley says that the conversation between Trump and Putin has gotten Europe's attention. This is deeply shaking the continent.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a view that Putin is stalling.

[Unnamed Contributor]

So he can continue the war, that he's playing with Trump, who Europeans believe is naive, has no experience with Putin and wants a peace deal so badly he'll do anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. You can't have it both ways. Npr, you can't say that he's a puppet of Putin, that there's Russian collusion and then say he has no experience with Putin. What? They're contradicting themselves now.

[Adam Curry]

They don't know what to do. They're warmongers, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are. Who, who is the host of PBS NewsHour these days? What is, what is the format of the NewsHour?

[Adam Curry]

The format is they bring there's a woman with kind of a multicultural woman and, and various guys, usually a black gay guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it. Oh, Capehart.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, no. Capehart is a commentator.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Is, is the man hands lady on the NewsHour?

[Adam Curry]

No, the manhands lady. That's Kirsten Welker. She's on NBC News.

[John C. Dvorak]

I found a newshour bit from 1994. Now, this is about NATO expansion and it was a debate. Well, he calls it a debate. Wasn't really a debate. And the so called debate is between the former ambassador to Russia, Matlock and Henry Kissinger. And listen to the Difference in PBS NewsHour from what we know it today and what it was in 1994. First tonight, the debate over expanding the North Atlantic Treaty alliance to several countries in Central Europe. The debate flared today at the European Security and Cooperation Summit in speeches by President Clinton and Russian President Yeltsin. Since the collapse of communism in Central Europe, there have been proposals and debate over whether and how to expand NATO, which now guarantees mutual protection for 16 Western nations in Europe and the US and Canada to such countries as Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Today at the so called CSCE summit in Budapest, President Yeltsin repeated his country's opposition to that idea. He warned of a cold peace and said the world could not be run from one capital, a reference to Washington and the U.S. but the issue of NATO expansion has also divided American officials and analysts. We take up the story with two of them, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and Jack Matlock, former US Ambassador to the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia, now a professor at Columbia University. I found this to be fascinating because it's not even that long ago, what is it, 30 years? 1994. And these countries hadn't come into NATO yet and already the Russian president was saying, hey, hey, hey, no, no, no, no, no. But no, that doesn't matter. We don't care. Starting with you, Ambassador Matt Locke. The Russians are clearly very unhappy about the prospect of expanding NATO. Let's start with this, actually. What is the U.S. policy right now? How quickly is the C.L. clinton administration pushing to expand NATO? From what you can read, Clinton my.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Understanding is that their position is that the East Europeans should be prepared for NATO, and though no date has been set, that the question is not if, but when.

[John C. Dvorak]

And NATO itself, recently, just for background here, recently voted to come up within a year with a list of sort of conditions for membership for potential members. So the issue is moving forward as you understand it, is that correct? The issue is moving forward, but we have to be careful not to trap ourselves in an endless waffle when we say the issue is not if, but when. The responsibility of national leaders is not to ask rhetorical questions, but to answer them.

[Unnamed Contributor]

So we have an obligation to give.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some sort of an answer to when. And the Russians are not unhappy about the timing. They're unhappy about the fact about the fact. And therefore, we ought to face that.

[Unnamed Contributor]

As early as possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the Russians were unhappy about the fact at all while we collectively were already talking about doing it. But who was really pushing it? This answer was surprising. Well, where is the pressure, as you understand it, Jack Matlock, where is the pressure coming from for quick expansion inside NATO? Inside we know that certain Eastern European or Central European countries like Poland would love to be a member quickly, but where is it coming from with inside NATO?

[Unnamed Contributor]

Well, my understanding is that the Germans have been sort of the principal advocates within NATO. They're joined by certain others. I'm one who feels that we, while we should leave the possibility open that we should make clear that we would back expansion only if there is a threat which needs to be met. In other words, we should use it to pressure the Russians to ease off on the rhetoric and to behave in a manner which does not threaten me. Another problem here is that I think it's much more important for the Poles, the Czechs, and the other East Europeans to get in the European Union. This is important economically. They need the markets. And I suspect that some Europeans look at NATO as almost a surrogate for doing what would be a more difficult matter for them, and that is opening their markets to them.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought that to be interesting.

[Adam Curry]

It was interesting, in fact. Well, this goes back to this period that was Robert McNeil, that was the host there, and that was during the era when it was called, before it was NewsHour, it was called the McNeil Lair Report. And those are two guys that came from mainstream media over to PBS to set up Shops because they felt that the half hour news shows on network tv, which there was no good. So they figured an hour with a little more thoughtful discussion would be better. Not knowing that giving an hour away like that or creating this hour show would. After they left, both McNeil and Larry, it turned. Except during that short period when Gwen Ifill was there and she kept it in play. And then it just became a left wing bunch of stooges.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I thought it was interesting that Europe was cobbling together what they're now completing, the European Union project and that they really saw NATO, a war machine, as a way to get that going. And luckily, last clip, former Ambassador Matlock reminds us that we made some promises about NATO expansion.

[Unnamed Contributor]

There is one other factor here that we seem to be forgiven getting. And we did, though it was not a legally binding assurance. We gave categorical assurances to Gorbachev back when the Soviet Union existed that if a united Germany was able to stay in NATO, NATO would not be moved eastward. And you know, I think that the current Russian government is very clear.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we would be. But that assurance was given to the Soviet Union.

[Unnamed Contributor]

That is right. It is not illegally binding.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's their loophole. Well, we gave that assurance to the Soviet Union, not to Russia. You see, it's very different thing, but.

[Unnamed Contributor]

It was, you might say, a geopolitical deal. And if we simply ignore it, then I certainly, if I were a Russian, it would be hard for me to interpret this, even though it may not be intended that way, and it is not.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now you can hear Kissinger talking about those pesky Russians. They're stopping the American war machine from doing important work as anything less than.

[Unnamed Contributor]

An attempt to shut Russia off from Eastern Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that was, that was a line that Yeltsin used today, that it would isolate Russia and sow the seeds of discord. But here's a country that has 20,000 nuclear weapons. The possibility that Poland would start marching into Russia is zero.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And I repeat, this is not in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Terms of political architecture conceived as a Cold War situation, because Russia can participate in the European security, Europe in all the political issues. But one has to keep in mind what a weak Russia has done in.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The last few months.

[John C. Dvorak]

When we were assembling forces against Iraq a few weeks ago, when we were assembling forces in Iraq a few weeks ago. Really back in 1994 already, huh? Yeah, of course, Russia said no.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The Russian foreign minister appeared in Baghdad in a political demonstration that certainly tracked.

[John C. Dvorak]

In practice, discouraged any American military move on Serbia. They have clearly taken Traditional Russian positions.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Understandably so.

[John C. Dvorak]

But Russia thinks of itself as a major geopolitical player, which it has every right to do. And I think it was two years later that we bombed Serbia.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Clinton.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. With. Was that Madeline Albright, who was then the Secretary of State?

[Adam Curry]

It could be.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I think so.

[Adam Curry]

I do. That's the moment where we accidentally hit the Chinese embassy and blew it. The smithereens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oops. Yeah. So this has always been. Been a horrible system, and I don't think President Trump's going to get us out of it. I think he wants to keep it.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think he can get us out of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

And with all this jfk, JFK stuff coming out. Rfk, jfk, rfk, jfk. The K stuff coming out, it's going to, you know, where it looks like they're going to. Of Bobby Kennedy still sticks by the guns. Where it's, you know, he says, CIA, JFK pulled us out of Vietnam more or said let's get out of Vietnam completely because there were 75 dead soldiers that were over there and they shouldn't have been fighting, but they were. And he was dead a month later. His commentary.

[John C. Dvorak]

But there's, There's. I don't think there's anything about Vietnam in the JFK drop. Is there there? I don't know. I haven't heard anything about it. Let's ask Grok.

[Adam Curry]

Ask Grock. Ask the Harvey Oswald.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, that's the guy. All right. Where do you want to go from here? I have a lot. Well, whoa.

[Adam Curry]

Since you. I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa.

[Adam Curry]

I changed my position in char. And bang the mic with my fist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

So there's that. How about going to. Since we're down, let's do the Ukraine peace talks and get that out of the way. From the, from the World Service of the BBC Short wave.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the BBC World Service.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The US has confirmed further peace talks will be held in Saudi Arabia on Sunday, but it's not yet known whether a delegation from Ukraine or Russia will be involved. In his call with Donald Trump on Wednesday, President Putin agreed to continue the talks. Our Russia editor, Steve Rosenberg says it's a sign of a growing relationship between the two countries. The Kremlin is saying the kind of things we haven't heard the Kremlin say about an American president for years. Today, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov claimed that Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump trust each other and understand each other well. There is another thing that President Trump understands because the Russians have dropped plenty of hints, and that is that there are lots of lucrative deals potentially for America to do in Russia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lucrative deals? Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

But Trump isn't covered by npr. Says that Trump's a bonehead.

[John C. Dvorak]

He has no experience with Putin. Putin, Putin, Putin, Putin part two.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Which is fueling suspicion that Mr. Trump may prioritize deal making with Moscow over ensuring a just peace for Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh, the just word. A just peace, which means just taking stuff. Just peace.

[Adam Curry]

How about just peace?

[John C. Dvorak]

Not a just peace, which means we take your 300 billion euros and we tell you to sod off.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Mind you, one deal that Donald Trump has so far failed to convince Vladimir Putin to sign up to is a comprehensive ceasefire. The Kremlin leader has laid down a string of conditions for that, including an end to Western arms shipments to Kyiv and to Western intelligence sharing with Ukraine. Still, the Kremlin continues to praise Donald Trump. On the streets of Moscow, though, people are more cautious. Tatiana tells me she doesn't like how Donald Trump keeps changing what he says and does. One minute he's giving you something, she says. The next, he's taking it. Vladimir tells me he's still waiting for proof that Trump will improve relations with Russia. We've been promised things before, he says. It's almost as if Russians cannot believe what they're seeing, that it's too good to be true. An American president who says he wants better relations with Russia.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that was interesting that the public at large is now. Yeah, heaven forbid. We want, you know, decent relationships with somebody with 20,000 nuclear warheads.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is against the entire globalist. I mean, when you look at it on the map, you really start to see what the expansion of NATO was, and, you know, you kind of understand that. Yeah, you know, the. The globalists on our side, and when I say our u. S. E.U. they wanted to make sure that they captured everything that could fall into a vacuum or that could be sucked it back into. Into Russia. And. And they do. And they do that by saying, well, Putin wants that. Which may be true. I mean, you know, he.

[Adam Curry]

It may be true.

[John C. Dvorak]

He clearly wants to do business with them. Yeah. And then Ukraine is just. It's like the pearl. It's like the. It's like the. The perfect little. Well, not little. Huge piece of land that they just can't allow him to influence. And that was really the. The genesis of the whole problem is when Poroshenko decided, you know, he was the president of Ukraine, said, you know, I think I'm going to do a deal with Russia instead of with the eu. That was the start of it all.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And that's when they brought in Newland and John Brennan was over there. The Maidan thing, the whole thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Had to get. Had to get everybody. Were they donuts, cookies or were they pretzels? I can't really remember. I don't remember.

[Adam Curry]

So meanwhile, just, we're gonna stay in Europe for another couple clues.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[Adam Curry]

Turkey. There's a Turkey mess going on that nobody's talking. The mainstream media is not talking about this whatsoever at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Turkey.

[Adam Curry]

A Turkey. Yay.

[John C. Dvorak]

How does the BBC World Service pronounce it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, we'll find out, won't we?

[Unnamed Contributor]

In Turkey outside Istanbul University.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a violation of standards, I think. That's not right.

[Adam Curry]

It's the BBC. They said Turkey.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's incorrect. The following report incorrectly identifies Turkey A.

[Unnamed Contributor]

As Turkey in Turkey, students outside Istanbul University were pedestrian sprayed by riot police as they protested against the detention of one of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's biggest rivals, the Mayor of Istanbul, Ekrem Imamolu. In a rare display of public anger, crowds chanted anti government slogans while the main opposition called his arrest a coup against our next president. These locals in Istanbul voiced their outrage. I think these are all political decisions and I'm sure that a large part of the country think so. There is no justice. There is no law. There is always a judiciary that only enforces the decisions taken by the government. There is no other explanation of this. I am furious. That's all I have to say. Our situation is not getting any better. The reasons are already obvious, but of course there must be a cover for this. But at a news conference, Turkey's Justice Minister, Ymaz Tunc direct defended the arrest. I would like to underscore that the Republic of Turkey is a state governed by the rule of law. Everyone is equal before the law. No individual or group is granted special privileges. The Turkish lira plummeted to its lowest level following Mr. Molu's detention, falling by almost 15% against the dollar. Well, Emery Tamil from the BBC's Turkish service joins us now. Emery. Mr. Amimalolu and 100 politicians, journalists and businessmen were det. What are they accused of?

[John C. Dvorak]

The Istanbul Chief Public Prosecutor's office described Ekrem Imamoldu as a suspected criminal organization leader. He was accused of corruption in tender processes. Prosecutors also accused Mr. Imamolu of aiding the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party PKK as well. And Turkish Justice Minister Yilmaz Tunc said a total of 106 individuals have been detained saint into two investigations into terrorism and corruption. The wild card here is, I think, the Gulen network, who of course lost their leader, Fethullah Gulen. He died, what, last year? Late last year.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wonder if these people are part of the network.

[Adam Curry]

No. This whole thing is very suspicious. And we don't. We'll never have any clue as to. Because the reporting is so mediocre, they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can'T even get the name of the country right. How can we trust anything? Turkey. Yay, ladies. He added that investigations will remain confidential. Mr. Imamolu denies all the charges. His wife, Dilek Imamolu, dismissed the accusations as ridiculous and manufactured.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And the opposition says Mr. Umamolu is being targeted to stop him running against President Erdogan in the next presidential elections. How much of a threat is he to Mr. Erdogan?

[John C. Dvorak]

A Kremlin Mamolu is seen as the.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Strongest rival to the Turkish President, Recep.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tayyip Erdogan in a future election. As President Erdogan himself, Mr. Imamolu seemed ready to use Istanbul mayorship as the.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Launchpad for the ultimate prize presidency. He's a very popular politician, won the mayoral race twice in 2019 and was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Resoundingly re elected last year.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And his.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mr. Imamoli is expected to be named as main opposition Republican People Party's presidential candidate in a primary vote on Sunday. However, yesterday his university diploma was revoked. This move was largely seen by the opposition as an aim to eliminate him.

[Unnamed Contributor]

From the Turkish politics, because a college.

[John C. Dvorak]

Degree is a constitutional requirement for a candidacy in Turkey. And Mr. Imamolu was preparing to appeal this decision. But what happened this morning left him in an uncharted territory. If he will be arrested, the government may appoint a trustee to the Istanbul.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Metropolitan Municipality to replace Imam Aldo. And as it stands now, Ekrem Imamolu will not be able to run in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Turkey's next presidential election. I'm surprised that no one.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, I was going to say the giveaway that this is a scam is the fact that they took his diploma away. The university was told that the guy got a degree because he needed a degree, I guess, to run for office in Turkey. Yeah, I mean, he's had this degree. It's like it felt like somebody at the University of California called me up and said, we're revoking your bachelor's degree. What? How do you do that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Let that be a warning to you trolls if you troll too hard. We're revoking your no agenda Ph.D. and maybe even your Commodore ship. Take it away. Oh, man. You'd expect a lot more reporting on this from, from the, from the, the media, because it is a NATO country that is in disarray right now. Well, it's always kind of in disarray. It's always kind of.

[Adam Curry]

I'm actually surprised that yet I never heard this from any other source, including NTD. Nobody's covering this except the BBC's World Service.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, they got to fill the airtime somehow now that there's a vacuum with the Voice of America being gone. Oh, now everyone's going to switch to us on Long wave. I was going to clip something where it was so dumb. It's like, oh, the Voice of America has 360 million listeners in their audience. I'm like, no, they don't. That's bullshit. No, they don't. President Trump is right. Getting rid of that because they're propagandizing the Americans with all that nonsense. So I think we can't go around. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know where you're headed, but I do have one more kind of obscure clip of information that's not being played anywhere else. And that's followed by a couple of very strange clips. But this is the untold, the unreported South Africa news. Another blurt that nobody picked up on. I didn't hear this any.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this about the ambassador that we kicked out?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, not about the ambassador.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, once again, President Trump. Manga making Africa news Great again.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Almost 70,000.

[John C. Dvorak]

Manga making Africa news great again. Oh, Manga, manga, manga.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Almost same. 70,000 South Africans have expressed interest in resettling to the United States following an executive order by President Donald Trump offering citizenship to farmers from the country. The South African Chamber of Commerce in the USA says it's handed over the details of those interested to the US Embassy in Pretoria. From Johannesburg, here's our Africa correspondent, Mayani Jones. Now, this is the first time that we're getting an indication of the level of interest in South Africa to Mr. Trump's offer to resettle South African farmers to the US. Now, for some context. On 7 February, President Trump issued an executive order accusing the South African government of discriminating against white Afrikaner farmers. These are descendants of Dutch and French settlers here in South Africa. This is something that President Cyril Ramaphosa has repeatedly denied. Nonetheless, a month later, President Trump extended his invitation to any South African farmer who felt discriminated against and also offered them citizenship. Following this, the South African Chamber of Commerce in the US says it launched a platform on its website inviting people who were interested in resettling. To fill in a few basic details. We don't know the professions of these people, so we don't know if they qualify for resettlements if they're farmers. And this is just an expression of interest. These are not people who've applied. Applied for resettlement yet. But they say they're interested in this. And according to Sakusa, around 67,000 people filled in this form and have expressed an interest in resettling to the United States. Most of them were aged between 25 and 45. And the majority of them had dependents that would be coming to the US.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a great idea. I didn't know about that.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody knows about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good idea. I mean, those guys know how to farm. Farm.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And, and, you know, a lot of our young people don't want to farm anymore. They always want to sell the farm.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. No, this is a. But this, again, not being, this is unreported. I stunned how the mainstream. Well, oh, I'm stunned. There's gambling going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But they could use the, the main, the M5M could use that to say, well, you know, Trump wants to bring in.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

White. Yeah, Whiteies. Yeah, they bring in white.

[Adam Curry]

He only likes white people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. Nazis.

[Adam Curry]

I don't understand. Yeah, I agree with you that it's a missed opportunity by the mainstream media. Now then there's this other story which.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is, if I can just say the reason why they're not doing it is they understand like we do, that Africa news is automatic tune out. So.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, so this is going to be the, the real tune out, though, is this story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

This is the, it's, it's, it's under Cape Town.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cape Town?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, Cape Town. So the South Africans have a contingent of people that they sent to a Antarctic site where they, they, they stayed up and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is. They were mad, didn't they? A fight breakout.

[Adam Curry]

No, a guy. There's one guy there that's apparently gone nuts and he's a psycho. And they can't get this, they can't get him out. So this is a report from a South African radio station and they brought in one of the ministers who does nothing but make excuses for. No, we've got it, we got it under control. And the guy says, like, totally full of crap. This went on for a long time. I only have two short clips of it, but, I mean, you could. It just goes on and on and on with this guy apologizing for this whole Situation, but I thought it was amusing. Here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, you're on Cape Talk. My name is Dan Corder.

[Unnamed Contributor]

As I said a few minutes ago, I'm genuinely thrilled to be joined by me Minister Dion George, who's the Environment Minister, more specifically of the dffe, the Department of Forestry, Fisheries and the Environment. Dion George, thank you for joining us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your department is in the middle of a rapidly exploding story that has developed.

[Unnamed Contributor]

In the last few days.

[John C. Dvorak]

We really caught a hold in the media in literally this morning about SANE 5, our Antarctica research station that South.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Africa is the custodian of and manages and about allegations that one member of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our research team down there has been.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Accused of physical assault, potentially even sexual assault. That has. Well, it depends on which kind of statement and press release or which journalist.

[John C. Dvorak]

You read, but is potentially expressed remorse.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Underwent further evaluation, but potentially also has a sexual assault allegation. Outstanding. We've also heard suggestions from the media.

[John C. Dvorak]

That members of the rest of our.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Research team felt unsafe and wanted to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be evacuated and then they weren't.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Can you just clear up exactly what is going on for all of us who are swimming in too much journalism right now? Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for having me on this afternoon. I think, yes, we must stick to the facts and also I think that we, we really do need to avoid sensationalizing the situation. There is in fact the situation that we are dealing with it with very successfully. What happened was one of the members of the team at Antarctica had an altercation, verbal altercation with another member regarding a task that needed to be done and that did escalate and there was a physical assault, not serious injuries. The doctor attended to them and that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was okay, Everything's good, nothing to worry about, nothing to see here.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Okay, so this guy, this guy who sounds like a kind of a Mr. Peepers character continues, what are they doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

At that Antarctic base? Are they looking for the flying saucers? Are they looking, are they looking for the ice wall where the, the rest of the continent of the flat earth is located?

[Adam Curry]

During this era, this period of time in the when it's the worst conditions, there's usually most of these bases are abandoned, but they keep a team at this one and the South Africans keep a team.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are they running the earthquake machine? What is happening? What is happening?

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to say that that's never explained in the entire report.

[Unnamed Contributor]

When you mean physical assault. Was it a punch up?

[John C. Dvorak]

What was it punch up?

[Unnamed Contributor]

I do not know the whole detail of it, but it was a physical altercation. There was no serious injuries. And that did happen. There was no sexual assault. That is not correct.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Unnamed Contributor]

There was an allegation of sexual harassment. Again this against the same individual.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what we've done is we've immediately.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Had our team of psychologists and experts on the situation right at the very outset because obviously it's very harsh circumstances down there and you know, the window has now changed, closed because you know, for returns, etc. Although I'm sorry, can you just. Yes, exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because some of our listeners have already said, well, you know, the Cape of.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Gullah only goes down at this time. It's only in December, It's a boat. But I know of people who've been flown down.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know that the weather changes. Is there no way to get people.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Out who want to get out?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I imagine even if this has.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Been resolved and even if there are psychologists and doctors. Doctors on the ground or online, there are now potentially people in that research team who feel very unsafe working in a small station, in a small environment, in a small community of people working with our psychologists. It's very clear that there is headway getting made.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's a good story.

[Adam Curry]

Getting made.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a story for a, for a Netflix miniseries. Limited limited.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly what Mimi said, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I may just for a moment. I think that the streamers are making big, big mistakes. You know, we've been trying to follow a couple of, a couple of shows and. Well, first of all, Roku is now testing autoplay ads on the home screen. Do you have a Roku? You don't have a Roku, do you?

[Adam Curry]

I do have a Roku. I have a couple Roku's, but I don't use them because my Smart LG TV, which is recommended during the tips of the day some time ago, has a bunch of stuff built in. So I, I don't use Roku.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but if you have a Roku box now all of a sudden you bring up the home screen where you select your icon for the streaming service of your choice and they got ads auto playing with audio.

[Adam Curry]

That's interesting. Which brings me back. Okay, the guy who. Okay, this is interesting. I don't know if it's that interesting. It's a little inside baseball.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you're on the hook now. It better be interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it probably won't be that interesting, but the guy who is the CEO of Roku I had lunch with once and he was. And the reason I, I want, I had a chat with him because I. He was the guy who started Replay TV, which was the original competitor of TiVo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And I went to the rollout of Replay TV and his whole modus operanda, his whole idea of how you're going to make money with Replay tv, which is just basically a, you know, was skipping the ads. Was. Yeah, but his idea was throwing in more ads in situations where you couldn't skip them. He really liked the idea of, now you have a captive audience, let's throw some ads at him that they can't do anything about.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a.

[Adam Curry]

So it makes nothing but sense that he would do this with Roku.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the guy's name again? Because he's invited me to his backyard barbecue a couple years in a row.

[Adam Curry]

During the CEO of Roku.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. What's his name?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what his name is.

[John C. Dvorak]

He has a house in Austin. And you does? Oh, yeah. And he gets.

[Adam Curry]

He's a really nice guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what people say. I just never worry.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, he's like a really nice guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

It never worked out. It's like, hey, come by on Thursday. Thanks for knowing what I do, dude. All right. And he would have Willie Nelson, you know, I think his house is probably a pretty big place anyway. But my general complaint, the streamers seem to have a new strategy. They are now releasing episodes weekly. Where it used to be, you'd get the first three, then you get another batch. In some cases, the whole thing. You could kind of pace your own viewing habit.

[Adam Curry]

Right. Which is what you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But they're doing away with that. And so basically if you look at White Lotus, which we watched season two and now it's season three, so I will watch it now. They're turning it into an eight hour movie where they don't have like big cliffhangers after each episode, it just kind of ends and the tension is just. It's tension throughout. It's building up. It's building up. But then you have to wait a week. I think it's a losing. I know why they're doing it. Because people would come in, get the deal for one month, pay for one month, cancel right away after they've binged the series they want to see. So they're trying to stretch people out over at least two months.

[Adam Curry]

So you can't do the, the in or the not one month free thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, you can. You can't.

[Adam Curry]

That's the idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You can't binge. I think it's a mistaken strategy. I. I'm not sure. It's also this the episodes just go on and on and on with no resolution. You know, if you have an episode, you need a resolution with some cliffhanger at the end. They don't have that. Just like, we'll see you next week, sucker. I don't think it's real. I, I think it sounds like they have a problem.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I, I find most of the watch, my watching has just gone. Deteriorated completely because of. I mean, except for a couple of shows that I like, it all sucks. I have like two, three shows maybe that I'll watch over and over. And I mean, I still find there's our. There is some network stuff that is still nominally good. I think, I still think NCIS is a well written show that has a good, that's compelling and well done. Other than that, the FBI stuff is not that interesting. They killed a couple of them. Which brings me to some clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

I need to get into a different, into a different category here. You're just going on and on with your clips. I just gave you K Times category.

[Adam Curry]

This is the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

I gave you clips. I gave you cake. Cape Town, I get to do something now. Cape Town was borderline, man.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need to talk about the Elon hate.

[Adam Curry]

I got, I got clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, let me start off with a super cut. And it's long, so you can, if you're sick of it, let me know. Saying on my phone, I know some.

[Adam Curry]

Of you know this on the iPhone they've got that little stock app. I added Tesla to it to give.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Me a little boost during the day.

[Adam Curry]

225 and dropping.

[John C. Dvorak]

Elon Musk, you didn't create U.S. aid. The United States Congress did for the American people.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And just like Elon Musk did not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Create US Aid, he doesn't have the.

[Adam Curry]

Power to destroy it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And who's gonna stop him? We are.

[Unnamed Contributor]

We are witnessing a constitutional crisis. We talked about, about Trump wanting to be a dictator on day one. And here we are. This is what the beginning of dictatorship looks like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Today, it's USA tomorrow. It's our health care, it's Social Security, it's our livelihoods, it's our freedoms. So stand up for USA Today.

[Unnamed Contributor]

USA Today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stand up for USA Today. The newspaper must, must stay around.

[Adam Curry]

It's our.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Social Security. It's our livelihoods, it's our freedom, freedoms. So stand up for USA Today, USA Today.

[Adam Curry]

So that we can stand up for.

[John C. Dvorak]

All of our freedoms in the days ahead.

[Unnamed Contributor]

This is a constitutional crisis that we are in today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's call it what it is.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The people get to decide how we.

[Adam Curry]

Defend the United States of America.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The people get to decide how their taxpayer money is spent. Elon Musk does not get to decide.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are here to save lives because.

[Unnamed Contributor]

That is what aid does. And no one elected Elon Musk to dismantle it. Elon Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

There we go.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Are you? Bring your ass over here so you can see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Finally, Maxine Waters is back.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Who's here? This is like a bank robber trying to fire the cops and turn off the alarm arms just before he strolls into the lobby. That is what they are doing. They are dismantling the federal government, which.

[Adam Curry]

Will deny the American people the services.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And the resources that allow them to help to raise their families, have a secure economy and a secure future for themselves.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, it goes on and on and on and keep playing.

[Adam Curry]

You didn't. You said I can stop it. I'm not stopping it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Every time you hear Doge the Department.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Of Government Efficiency, you just remember it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is the Department of Government Evil.

[Unnamed Contributor]

While we're sitting here, Donald Trump and Elon Musk are recklessly and illegally dismantling the federal government, shuttering federal agencies, firing federal workers, withholding funds vital to the safety well being of our communities, and hacking our sensitive. Hacking. Now, we should in no way be cooperating with House Republicans who want to shut down the Department of Education and destroy Medicare and Medicaid.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we should not stand by as the richest man on the planet gives.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Himself and his companies huge tax cuts while the American people get absolutely nothing. Doge staff to carry out this agenda across all these agencies.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so I have four clips then. I'll let you go with your clips. I just.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't have anything. They top stabbed. I only to mention something though. This idiot waltz. Tim Tampon Tim, as I like to call him. He's gloating about the downturn in Tesla stock. The pensioners in Minnesota hold like 127.

[John C. Dvorak]

Million shares or some crazy outrageous number of shares.

[Adam Curry]

And he's happy that they're losing their ass. Are you kidding me?

[John C. Dvorak]

He doesn't know what he's talking about. But the attacks on Tesla are interesting because. Because. And if you just scroll through a timeline, you'll see all of These Teslas have 20 cameras or whatever it is.

[Adam Curry]

I know, it's funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when someone keys the car, then you're on camera and then they're busting people for this. And I'll get to what I think this is in a minute. But first, two quick clips from Anderson Cooper 360.

[Unnamed Contributor]

New Tesla safety concerns after another violent act of vandalism against the company. This was a targeted attack against a Tesla facility. The most recent happening Tuesday in Las Vegas. Police say a person dressed in black shot and set fire to several Tesla vehicles at a repair facility. The word resist was spray painted on the building. The FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force is now conducting an investigation in order to identify the suspect and a motive. Violent acts like this are unacceptable regardless of where they occur.

[John C. Dvorak]

And specifically to those who might think.

[Unnamed Contributor]

That something like this is justifiable or potentially even admirable, we want to let you know it's a federal crime. We will come after you. We will find you and prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. Justice Department officials announced just days ago that 24 year old Daniel Clark Pounder has been arrested in connection with a Molotov cocktail attack on a Tesla charging station in South Carolina. CNN has reached out to his attorney for comment. If convicted, he faces up to 20 years in federal prison.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this, this is so out of control. And I would have to say the Democrat representatives, they're the ones who are stoking this up. I mean, just listen to what they're saying. You heard it in the super cut. So they had to take action. And there was something called the Tesla takedown call which is, you know, which we know is like, that's kind of like the gay guys for Harris, white dudes for Harris, Hollywood for Harris. They're doing the zoom calls again. And so they bring on this very weak lady who, young lady who is the host of the Call and they bring in a bunch of actors and people telling you what to do and what not to do. And this was, this was great because they bring in Alex Winter who has a movie to promote. Alex Winter is from Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. Okay, dude. Hey dude. And hey, man. I think they have another like the third movie in the series coming out and so they're bringing all these people in. They bring on Alex Winter, an actor who proceeds to read a script.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Alex Winter is an actor, director and.

[Adam Curry]

Writer who has worked across across film, television and theater.

[Unnamed Contributor]

As an actor, Winter recently co starred.

[Adam Curry]

In the anticipated third installment in the Bill and Ted franchise.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Please welcome Alex Winter.

[Adam Curry]

How's it going?

[Unnamed Contributor]

Thanks so much, Annie. It's really great to have you here.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like that. He says it's very great to have you here. Even though that was her line, I'm not quite sure where that went. Wrong in the script, but that was incorrect.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Alex Winter, how's it going? Thanks so much, Annie. It's really great to have you here and great to see everybody on this thing. Like most of the world, I was appalled by Elon Musk Nazi script salute, which kicked off his allout assault on our government. And I wasn't surprised to see people protesting him soon after that. There was a protest in early February at a Tesla store that caught my eye because only one person picketing attracted a huge group of bystanders who were also being adversely affected by Musk and his criminal actions with Doge. Then more protests brought it up in mid February, and I decided to protest at a Tesla store in my town. I expected it to just be me and maybe one other person, but when I got there with my little sign, there were dozens of protesters and within an hour there were close to 100. I'm a big believer in nonviolent protest as protected by the First Amendment. It's a constitutional right and it's foundational to a working democracy. And it's been wild to see the tens of thousands of citizens around the world who are now organizing these grassroots, non violent Tesla takedown protests.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grassroots, non violent.

[Unnamed Contributor]

They're like parties with.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. This. He's not a very good actor.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Is he actually looking down and reading it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because that's what he's reading off his screen you can see.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he's reading. Okay. So, yeah, because it just sounds. I mean, he's not a good prompter reader either. I mean, this doesn't sound natural in the least. It sounds terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the fact that he lent himself for this and what they're trying to do is they're trying to calm it down, down. Because they know it's out of control. They know they're complicit when I say no.

[Adam Curry]

So that's why he's emphasizing nonviolence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. It's grassroots, too.

[Adam Curry]

Grassroots, non violent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grassroots, non violent, mostly peaceful protests.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And it's been wild to see the tens of thousands of citizens around the world who are now organizing these grassroots, nonviolent Tesla takedown protests. They're like parties with dancing and music. One had a mariachi band, we had marching bands. Another one had Joan Baez playing her guitar. And Palo Alto is pretty rad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's all. It's just a party. There's mariachi bands. There's no one keying Teslas. There's no one firebombing Teslas. There's no Molotov Cocktails. But you know, Elon Musk is a Nazi.

[Unnamed Contributor]

But I think the Tesla takedown matters for several key reasons. One is that it gives many people a means to get out in peaceful protests, to make their voices heard. Very important right now. And it also matters because it helps people to learn the facts. Facts about the reckless and deadly activities of Musk and Doge that are impacting people directly. But as far as actually taking Tesla down, I don't think that's actually on any of the protesters. Elon Musk only has himself to blame for tanking this company. Tesla was permanently tarnished the moment Musk gave that Nazi salute and followed it with his brutal attack on the lives of ordinary citizens. It's all on Elon. There is no conspiracy. There is no well funded cabal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, there is.

[Unnamed Contributor]

It's just Elon Musk who has taken Tesla down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why would you even say there's no well funded cabal when you're literally reading the script given to you by at least a funded cabal? Come on.

[Unnamed Contributor]

It's all on Elon. There is no conspiracy. There is no well funded cabal. It's just Elon Musk who has taken Tesla down. And meanwhile, the protests will continue to grow. They won't stop until Musk is stopped. That means more people in the streets, more people learning the facts about his attack on our democracy. More people who aren't afraid of standing up to corruption and bullies. There are millions and millions of us and we all stand together in solidarity. That's when we win.

[John C. Dvorak]

What this is, as far as I can take, is a globalist takedown action against American manufacturing. I think the truly wealthy, but many of them Democrats, probably more of them Democrat than Republican, they just don't want American manufacturing. And okay, Elon's an easy target. You know me, I'm not a fan of Elon Musk, but he is.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's true. You're actually pretty skeptical about Elon Musk in general.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he is manufacturing stuff. You know, he is making cars here as well. Yes, in China. He is building rockets.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but he's not bringing the Chinese cars here.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, that's true, that's true.

[Adam Curry]

He's making. The cars he sells here are made here.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let's check in with our favorite protege, Kara Swisher. Let's hear how she feels about Elon Musk.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Well, it's very typical. This is how he conducts himself all the. He's always in a state of high drama, high agitation. He did this when Tesla was In big trouble. He had to sleep on the floor of the factory, even though there was a hotel next door, because it was dramatic. He thinks he's the center of the universe, which is really strange. He's very into video games, and so I think he thinks he's sort of ready player one. He thinks nothing can happen without his existence. He often used to say, if Tesla failed, the human race was doomed. To me, on a number of occasions, things like that. So it's massive mass narcissism with a lot of talent and a lot of PR and a lot of drama, and that's what you're seeing right now. The word he likes to use is hardcore, which is just hustle porn. It's just a way that they do this in Silicon Valley. They sleep under their desks. They think this is an accomplishment to show how committed they are. It just means they're exhausted. You know, this is what he does. He's up all night and. And so, you know, I work on weekends. That's my superpower. Well, Caitlin, I know you work on weekends, and so do I. I don't think we consider it a superpower. And, you know, he. Stuff like that. He wants to. And he also likes to criticize people relentlessly about how lazy they are, how stupid. And you saw that in the New York Times piece. The same thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this was actually quite a mild piece by Kara Swisher. But contrast that with Kara Swisher talking about Elon Musk before he bought Twitter, which of course was the Democrat messaging machine.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And so I think he gets annoyed when, you know, people don't and see the grand vision of what he's doing. And what he's doing is incredibly hard. What he's executed on has been so impressive. You know, in terms of the car and the space. This SpaceX, just the rocket stuff is really astonishing achievement at the same time. And he does have to build a company, but, you know, it's a really interesting situation. You know, I think the suggestions that he's crazy because he goes on Twitter and he's seems to be playful on Twitter. I'm not sure people. I think people are reading too much into it, his candy company or various things he's doing. He's. He's just messing with people. He's like that. Having had a number of encounters with him and small tips and I've had a number of them, he's just like that. And I appreciate it. I have to say, compared to a lot of people who are polite to your face and not behind your back, he's pretty much, you know, know what you see is what you get. And this is what you get when you have someone this creative, this innovative, and this certain of his vision.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my, oh, my.

[Adam Curry]

I see what you were doing to try to move my stuff out of the way. You had this old clip. Yeah, that's a good one. Where. Who get. Who found that for you that?

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I came across that. The what, the. The old clip or the new clip? The second. Oh, that was on Twitter. That was on X. Oh, Musk probably dug it up. Of course he did. Now it's so out of hand that Musk went on Hannity Friendly Fire to go. Say, what is going on here? Why. Why do I see people? Like, I woke up this morning and saw that Teslas were put ablaze in.

[Adam Curry]

One of your dealerships in Vegas. I've seen this happen all over the country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bullets are being fired. Charging stations are put ablaze. Teslas are being put ablaze. You have experienced assassination threats of assassination.

[Adam Curry]

For you and your family.

[John C. Dvorak]

What have you done that warrants this? Because I see nothing that you have.

[Adam Curry]

Done except help our country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I mean, it's really come as quite a shock to me that there is this level of really hatred and violence from the left. I always thought the left, Democrats were supposed to be the party of empathy, the party of caring, and yet they're burning down cars, they're firebombing dealerships, they're firing bullets into dealerships. They're just, you know, smashing up Teslas.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Tesla is a peaceful company. We've never done anything harmful. I've never done anything awful.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've only done productive things. So I think we just have a deranged. There's some kind of mental illness thing going on here because this doesn't make any sense.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think there are logical mental illness.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a great line. I think there's some kind of really gambling.

[Adam Curry]

There's a mental illness thing going on here.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's some kind of mental illness thing going on here because this doesn't make any sense. Yeah. I think there are larger forces at work as well. I mean, I don't know who's funding it and who's coordinating it, because this is.

[Unnamed Contributor]

This is crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've never seen anything like this. Mm. Mm. There's a second part to this that can be done. You actually tweeted out, and I'll put.

[Adam Curry]

It on the screen.

[John C. Dvorak]

The level of violence is insane. It is deeply wrong. Tesla just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks. You just rescued two astronauts that have been in space for 286 days. They were only supposed to be there 8.

[Adam Curry]

You helped the people in North Carolina, Tennessee, California. You have, I think, the most creative.

[John C. Dvorak]

And innovative car on the market.

[Adam Curry]

You created Starlink for communications that's used by hundreds of countries.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're working on helping the blind see and all of these other things.

[Adam Curry]

Is it really. Is it really compensation down to the basic.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're aligned with President Donald Trump, who.

[Adam Curry]

Also is a friend of mine, and.

[John C. Dvorak]

That you have identified well over $100 billion of waste, fraud, abuse that our federal government never should have been spending. Is that what it comes down to?

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It turns out when you take away people's, you know, the money they're receiving fraudulently, they get very upset and they basically want to kill me because I'm stopping their fraud. And they want to hurt Tesla because we're stopping this terrible waste and corruption in the government and.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Well, I guess they're bad people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bad people will do bad things. Okay. Yeah. It's obviously coordinated, and we know who it's coordinated by. And it's the same people who are calling for violence against Donald Trump before he was president, seen Waters. All these people just yelling and yelling and yelling and. And it's. It's gotten. I think that the. The Tesla takedown call is their move to try and tamp it down a little bit.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's absolutely correct.

[John C. Dvorak]

Someone's gonna get.

[Adam Curry]

You're absolutely right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Wow. This is a moment, ladies and gentlemen. Mark the time. Crime.

[Adam Curry]

But what's. What's interesting is this idea, this subtext of the possibility that the globalists do not really want the United States to re. Establish itself as a manufacturer.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm convinced of it because that's exactly what President Trump is doing. That's what the tariffs are about. That's what everything is about. They want to keep it in China.

[Adam Curry]

When I was a kid, we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice. Wait, I think I have. Let me see. I think I have a. Let me see. Yes, here we go. When you were a kid. We're in the rocking chair.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So I was at Berkeley. I was studying at the. The business library, and I was reading very. This was like 50 years ago ago. I'm reading in there. I'm reading documents about how the country, how America was. This was back 50 years ago. How would they. The whole idea is to turn America into a service economy and customers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Customers for the rest of the world.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And we're going to be a service economy. And our manufacturing was designed 50 years ago to start going away. So we would be bringing stuff in from here and there. And you put it together here, maybe you do whatever you do, but we're, the whole country would be a service economy because the globalists see every, you know, they don't see it as, you know, you have, they don't see any reason in a globalist sense that we should be building anything, you know, if, why you just be a service economy. And if, if the world was a perfect place. Yeah, that'd be great. If no one was ever going to attack you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Or try to steal your stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, we can't. You can't create an economy that's just based upon me cooking for you, you shining my shoes, that guy washing my car. I mean, eventually the money has just been flowing. That's the whole Trump doctrine. That's what the tariffs are about. And believe me, I think he's really going to put them on and he'll put them on for good or until people come to their senses. I think I have a clip about that. Where is it? Yeah, I think this is it. This is from Candanavia cbc.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And we are going to make the country more affordable for working Americans. The US Trade Secretary is offering new insight into the Trump administration's tariff plan. During an interview airing on Fox News, Scott Besant offered a roadmap of what to expect starting next month. What's going to happen on April 2? Each country will receive a number that we believe represents their tariffs. So for some countries it could be quite low. For some countries, countries it could be quite high. A senior Canadian government source says it is believed the number will be the new tariff rate. Besant said it will be determined on how fair the Trump administration views the trading relationship and take into consideration tariffs imposed on U.S. goods and other trade related barriers. He says it will be the starting point for a negotiation. If you will stop this, we will not put up the tariff wall. If you do do, then we will put up the tariff wall to protect our economy, protect our workers and protect our industry. This appears to be at odds with some of what the President has said before. Just yesterday, Donald Trump seemed to warn that tariffs would be imposed on April 2.

[Adam Curry]

April 2 is Liberation Day for our.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Country because we're going to finally be taking in money. In a statement to CBC News, the.

[John C. Dvorak]

White House cautioned, how does that contradict. I don't understand what she just said there. How does that contradict what is the contradiction.

[Adam Curry]

We'll back it up and I'll listen more carefully.

[Unnamed Contributor]

We will not put up the tariff wall. If you do, then we will put up the tariff wall to protect our economy, protect our workers and protect our industry. This appears to be at odds with some of what the President has said before. Just yesterday, Donald Trump seemed to warn that tariffs would be imposed on April 2.

[Adam Curry]

April 2 is Liberation Day.

[John C. Dvorak]

How is that different from what Bessen said?

[Adam Curry]

I think what she's implying is that he is that Trump sounds firm with the April 2nd stuff and he sounded like it would may or may not happen. Well, that's all I can imagine.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Okay, April 2nd is Liberation Day for our country because we're going to finally.

[Adam Curry]

Be taking in money.

[Unnamed Contributor]

In a statement to CBC News, the White House cautioned that details have not yet been finalized, saying the reciprocal tariff plan has yet to be unveiled by President Trump, but adding that all members of his team are aligned on this policy.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Besant is an interesting guy. Besides being openly gay and married. Never mentioned by the M5M because you know that would kill the narrative.

[Adam Curry]

They never mentioned. They don't talk about Tammy. Bruce is gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Can't you.

[Adam Curry]

Spokesperson for this Defense Department, I think Or Pentagon or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. Besides that. He also is the guy who worked with the Soros hedge fund when they broke the bank of England and shorted the pound.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's right. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the guy who knows how to do it.

[Adam Curry]

He's a sharp operator.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Besant also suggested there will be opportunities for countries to escape tariffs. I'm optimistic that April 2nd some of the tariffs may not have to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

On because a deal is pre negotiated.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Or that once countries receive their reciprocal tariff number that right after that they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will come to us and want to negotiate it down.

[Unnamed Contributor]

It has been an erratic start to the Trump presidency when it comes to trade policy. Blanket 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico were threatened, delayed, imposed and then paused with some exceptions followed by 25% tariffs on all steel and aluminum emissions imports. Trump has made it no secret he does not view the Canada U. S trading relationship as fair.

[Adam Curry]

Canada is absolutely one of the worst.

[Unnamed Contributor]

He's complained about protections for Canadian dairy, made false accusations about Canadian banking rules, exaggerated and complained about the trade deficit. The list goes on and on. While the White House did not provide any detail about a number or tariff rate for Canada, it is a frequent target of Trump's anger.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Canada is making some weird moves like canceling part of the order for the F35. This is very dumb.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The F35 has long been a political football in Canada and it seems destined to be one again. The Defence Minister raised the issue with me. The issue, says Prime Minister Mark Carney, is whether the F35 is the right warplane for Canada.

[Adam Curry]

Is that under the contract?

[Unnamed Contributor]

As you may know there, after a.

[Adam Curry]

Certain number of purchases, then we have options on subsequent aircraft.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Canada has already paid for its first tranche of 16 F35s to be delivered in the next few years. It planned to buy 88 in total from defence contractor Lockheed Martin for $19 billion. But that could change. Defence Minister Bill Blair, the Prime Minister has asked me to go with, examine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those things and have discussions with other sources, particularly where there may be opportunities to assemble those fighter jets in Canada.

[Unnamed Contributor]

To properly support them and maintain them in Canada. That is a very obvious reference to the company that placed second in Canada's fighter jet competition, Saab, the Swedish defence giant, with its gripen e fighter jet, which it offered to assemble in Canada. Reducing the number of F35s bought from the US as much as it may feel good politically and play well with an angry public would not be easy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dude, what are they doing that? I don't, I don't think. You can't just, you know, go ahead and, oh, we'll change this out. I mean, you'll have. Were they going to have SOB jets now? That means that, well, in fact, you'll have two supply chains. You need different runways.

[Unnamed Contributor]

This is the wrong weapon system to reconsider. Retired General Thomas Tom Lawson is the country's former top military commander and a former consultant for Lockheed Martin. He says operating two types of fighters is something the military doesn't want to do. It's costly. Two training regimes, two supply chains and separate hangars. Lawson also warns any further delays risk wearing out the current CF18s. There's a very real scenario where everything gets delayed to the point where there are no fighters flying in Canada for a period of time. And that would be a further blow to Canada's struggling Air Force. New documents obtained by CBC News show only 40% of RCAF aircraft are serviceable and ready to fly and fight.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't have war stocks to sustain a fight.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Critics have suggested the F35 should be dropped because it's vulnerable to US interference. Former test pilot retired Lt. Col. Billy Flynn says the same could be said for all US Military software. Software and weapons supply chains.

[Adam Curry]

There is nothing unique about the vulnerability of the F35.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Reducing Canada's F35 purchase could also affect aerospace firms in this country. To date, $3.5 billion of Canadian parts have gone into the program. Contracts that could be vulnerable depending on the direction the political wind is blowing.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I. I look at the map of Canada and the provinces are very interesting. Interesting, particularly the ones that connect to the United States border. And there's moves being made. This is a great guy in Alberta, which now just. I think that borders on Washington State.

[Adam Curry]

Alberta. No, pretty. I think mostly BC Is Washington state, and Alberta is probably over Montana, Hyde, Idaho, maybe a touch of Washington.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me just. Let me just see real quick. No, you're right. You're right. The border is on Montana. But, you know, it's connected to us and there's moves being made.

[Unnamed Contributor]

What we're proposing to do, first and foremost is to free Alberta from governance by idiots in Ontario and Quebec. So I've been involved with an organization called the Alberta Prospect Project for a number of years. Interestingly, we're now up to over 60,000 members, which is more members than the United Conservative Party of Alberta at this point, where a number of. The organization's goal is to educate Albertans on the benefits of independence free of, you know, the structural problems caused by Canadian federalism, which has effectively turned Alberta and Albertans into colonized citizens of, you know, into a colony of Quebec and Ontario, which we're all sorely fed up with. So, you know, myself and a number of other Albertans have decided that enough is enough. We're tired of being governed by complete idiots. And we're at a unique point in history with the newly elected Trump administration to, you know, send Adele delegation to Washington to discuss with the Trump administration their support for Alberta independence and to gauge their, you know, to gauge the level of support in the Trump administration for an independent Alberta free of. Free of Canada. To gauge their support for Alberta either becoming a US Territory or a US State.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, baby. We'd have a big foam finger sticking up into Canada. Canada.

[Adam Curry]

Alberta, where all the wealth is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

Alberta is the. Is the. Is the key to the whole country and so far as, you know, balancing the budget because all the energy they have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the oil, right?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, oil shale, shale oil and oil and everything else. A lot of stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

I bet there's interest.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that ain't got none of this. That's. It's pretty funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That's all I can say.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it definitely caused a stir.

[John C. Dvorak]

He has 60,000 men members. That's not bad. I thought that was interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, you got me on that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're up.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, let's just take a look at policing the Chinese police in the United States and the big scandal that's taking place.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's still going on.

[Adam Curry]

It started up again because now they're going to pass some laws. The Congress is getting involved.

[Unnamed Contributor]

A group of Republican lawmakers in the House have introduced a bill to combat China's efforts to establish secretive police stations on American soil. Congresswoman Ashley Hinson, who sits on the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party, introduced the Expel Illegal Chinese Police act of 2025 last week. The committee's chairman, Congressman John Molinaar co led the bill. Joining us now to discuss these latest efforts to combat the CCP's operations in the US is Jimmy Quinn, National Security Correspondent at the National Review. Jimmy, thank you so much for joining us. Good to have you with us again. Now first, what are these secretive Chinese police stations? What are they doing on US Soil? What these Chinese police stations are doing is they are involved in repression, they're involved in political outreach to US Politicians. It's a violation of America's sovereignty. What they are, in short, are these offices that are set up within other legitimate seeming community organizations, organizations that already exist in the United States. These might be groups for, you know, just ordinary people in the Chinese diaspora who want to get together with other people from their hometown. Many of them have been co opted actually by the PRC and the Chinese Communist Party. And these people are forced to set up a police station. And you know, the claim by the Chinese government is that they're just processing paperwork, helping people with their driver's licenses. But the thing to know is that these are not approved by the US Government. These are illegal law enforcement outposts in our country. In this case, in the middle of Manhattan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Manhattan.

[Unnamed Contributor]

It's something that everyone should be wary of. So this one was shut down. There might be two more in the country according to some research out there. But it's a very scary situation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only two, Only two left.

[Adam Curry]

That's what they says, but who knows? But the question comes to mind is every time I hear this, this kind of story and this TV show, it's on cbs. Is FBI International.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that an oxymoron?

[Adam Curry]

What's the FBI doing? And this shows about the various FBI offices around the world. How's that different than this? Or what about the spy stations, Berlin station, or these places that the CIA runs that are in other countries? How's that different?

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, just there's one page that was removed from the CIA JFK file Drop. And it is the page about the CIA's involvement in non governmental organizations. It's now gone. It's gone from the website about how official cover is necessary to enable our officers to work overseas in often hostile and volatile environments. That's why CIA uses State Department cover companies. Yeah, we do this, but do these Chinese police, do they wear uniforms and have billy clubs and hats and helmets?

[Adam Curry]

I mean, it just doesn't make a. Just kind of the story just baffles me somewhat because of the fact that we do this everywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And now the Chinese, you know, they're accused of. Well, the problem with, is the Chinese police, they look for Chinese that are over here and then they go over, you're Chinese, you should be promoting China or something. It's just beyond me. I guess maybe we don't do that. I'm not sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we don't use restaurants as cover, that's for sure.

[Adam Curry]

At least there's good food involved. Okay, that's the part two and to.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Your point, Congressman John Molina saying, quote, these stations represent a direct threat to our national security and undermine the rule of law in the United States. What would this legislation do in terms of combating this? So this bill goes after the agencies and the officials within the People's Republic of China and the Chinese Communist Party who are involved in this program. Program both here and in China. It would impose full blocking sanctions on certain officials who are involved in running the police station. Typically it's the Ministry of Public Security, but as we learned through the federal indictment of the two men who operated the station in Manhattan, Manhattan, the Chinese consulate is involved as well here in New York. So Chinese diplomatic outposts are involved. So, so there's this kind of Alphabet soup of different PRC security agencies, diplomatic arms that play a role in operating the police stations. So, you know, what these lawmakers are trying to do is they're trying to go directly after the people who run this operation and make sure they can't enter the US they can't access assets that they might have here, or conduct transactions with us US Individuals. So that's very important. And there's also a component of the bill which bans people who are found to be operating these stations from setting foot in the United States. You have these visa bans as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I think the, the use of the term police station, that sounds propagandistic to me. I mean, there are no, actually, it's not like there's a shield on the door and they've got a front desk and they've got a jail. I mean, this is conjuring up images.

[Adam Curry]

The sergeant at the front desk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And this is ntd, of course, who hate the Chinese Communist Party.

[Adam Curry]

But this is the. But everyone. They're not the only ones that use the term.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I mean, I'm saying the term is being used purposefully to conjure up images that maybe.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, like there's an alien police station.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Now.

[Adam Curry]

Now you're in your city. The Chinese. The Chinese, Chinese. The Communist Chinese Party is running this police station in San Francisco.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, you could say a safe house for spies. And there's all kinds of different ways you could. Cat, you could describe it. But police station is very specific.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I agree 100% with you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my God. That's two in a show. Hello, is this.

[Adam Curry]

I do it all the time. My mom always says this shows we get. Speaking like kids. Capehart, yet other guy. John Brooks and Capehart.

[John C. Dvorak]

What are you calling me?

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're the Capehart. I'll be Brooks. I'm not going to be Capehart. No, no.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Zooming out a bit, we hear a lot of talk about the long arm of the ccp where Chinese human rights activists or members of faith groups and ethnic minorities like say the Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong, are targeted even on US soil. Talk to us about that. How is the ce, the ccp, effectively operating on US soil? What your viewers need to know is that there's this thing called the United Front. It's a concept that the party has run throughout its history, stretching back basically to its founding. We're talking about the early 20th century through the 1930s. And it's a strategy that the party has used to basically co opt people who aren't officially party members, members to get them to do the party's bidding. And it just tries to convene people, it operates through them. It's kind of the lifeblood of the entire system where people will. Different agencies within the CCP and within the PRC will turn to United Front actors and they'll ask them to do things like hunt down a dissident, as we saw in this case case where the defendants in the Chinese police station indictment are alleged to have worked with the Ministry of Public Security to find dissidents on U.S. soil. So the United Front is here. It's dangerous and it's very influential, unfortunately. And it's kind of the connective tissue for all of these malign, long armed repression activities. Very concerning indeed. Jimmy Quinn, thank you so much for joining us.

[Adam Curry]

How's it different than spy?

[John C. Dvorak]

Very concerning indeed. Well, this brings me to something I was hoping would come up. We love listening to how people speak in the mainstream, and NTD is mainstream of sorts. We have discovered the term apophora, which is when someone says why and then answers the question. Question. There's another one that I bumped up against, which is the explanation for terms like dictator, ally. That's a favorite one right now. You know, Trump's ally police station is. Is actually another one, and it's called emotive conjugation. And I had not heard of this term, but it's real simple when it's explained. And I found a clip of Eric Weinstein explaining this concept, which was developed by Russell Bertrand. You're looking for a motive conjugation or Russell conjugation. Turns out Bertrand Russell had been here earlier, and in 1948, he was on the BBC and he said, let's look at the construction. I am firm, you are obstinate. He, she, or it is a pigheaded fool. And that was just a moment where I said, oh, my gosh. I don't realize that I have been given no extra information about the three conjugations that he's gone through. And yet I feel differently. I like the fact that somebody is firm and steadfast, and I dislike the fact that somebody is pigheaded. And then I realized that this could actually be be weaponized as part of an arms race, that maybe the newspapers were in fact conjugating President strongman, dictator. And so I remembered this very strange phrase from years past. Panamanian strongman Manuel Noriega. And I thought, who would come up with a construction that awkward and always invariant? And then everyone refuses, and then everyone uses it.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hawkish.

[Unnamed Contributor]

He's hawkish.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so what I came to understand is that the big boys don't play around with faking the facts. What they realized is that we have multiple opinions on everything, but our emotional state selects which opinion. And the person who figured this out is Frank Luntz. And Frank Luntz is a Republican pollster. There's a video of him where he asks people, what do you think about undocumented workers? Oh, they're doing a great job. And we. We have to recognize their contribution.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Well, do you support illegal aliens?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no.

[Unnamed Contributor]

They should be deported in an instant.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then you see that the mind doesn't see itself. And so we are both for and against everything. I love this. Of course, we've seen it. We call it out. But I never knew it had a term.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's an awkward term.

[John C. Dvorak]

As a term, it sucks.

[Adam Curry]

It's not a good term.

[John C. Dvorak]

As a term, it sucks. Yeah, but like, newcomers, there's another one we've identified.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Newcomers. Ally, I'd like to figure out where the. What the usage of the false accusation or false. The thing they always keep using with Trump when they drop the word false.

[John C. Dvorak]

Equivalence.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, not false equivalence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Without evidence. Without evidence.

[Adam Curry]

No, no. I'm talking about when they say Trump falsely claimed that the election was rigged. Falsely claimed. He claims that the election was rigged. He doesn't falsely claim it, but they say falsely claimed. That construction. Where does that fit into the scheme of things? And I see it all the time with Trump. They're always throwing a crazy little phrase in here and there. I think the strongman example. Good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Strongman, president, dictator. All those terms. But we just need to be on. I mean, we identify them.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. We don't categorize them. We just identify them as we do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Exactly. I'd like to lighten the mood a bit.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Talk. Tick tock.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. Yeah. I'm ready.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. You actually. Oh, this is the thanks I get for saying you were right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Correct.

[Adam Curry]

How about that?

[John C. Dvorak]

You are right. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

These things always pay off.

[John C. Dvorak]

They do. It's a big payoff for you. Big payday. You get to do your trans talk clips.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's start with trans women in sports being okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, hold on a second. Where is this talk. Oh, talk. Yes.

[Unnamed Contributor]

If your daughter doesn't want to compete against trans women in sports, maybe your daughter just shouldn't play sports. Ever thought about that? Maybe she just, like, doesn't have that competitive spirit. Maybe she's just mediocre. Maybe she's not that good. Because you know what? There are CIS women that beat out the boys every single freaking day. So if your daughter is making all of these excuses because she thinks that a trans woman has biological advantages over her, which is probably brainwashing that you caused. If she's complaining about the biological advantages that trans women have, she's gonna complain about the biological advantages that CIS women have. Okay, what if there's a CIS girl on her team that's six feet tall? Is she gonna complain? What if there's a CIS girl on her team that has extra large feet and so has great balance? Is she gonna complain? What if there's a CIS girl who has extra long arms? Is she gonna complain? She's gonna complain about every damn Thing. Okay. Maybe it's time to hang it up. Okay. Accept the mediocrity and go on to play piano or something like that. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Well.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's. And after. After this, she went outside and keyed a Tesla. Tell me she went right away.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, exactly. That's what she did on the camera.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm a little concerned. It seems your TikTok algorithm is intersecting with mine because I've seen these clips.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, here's the tran, here's the transportation. This is a. This is. I actually have two more. This is the trans woman leaving. This is a, A common one we're starting to hear more and more of.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I'm leaving the country and I could use a little help. As you might imagine, being a trans woman, I'm not super excited about the direction this country is headed. I live in an area that is still relatively safe for transportation trans people. But I'd rather not be here if and when that stops being the case. So I'm leaving by the end of the year with my fiance to live in a place that has more constitutional protections for people like me. However, moving is expensive generally, let alone moving to a whole ass other country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, was there a, A call for a GoFundMe on this particular top clip?

[Adam Curry]

Well, this. Since I. My TikToks tend to come off of Twitter. They don't have the connections because a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lot of, A lot of the gay men who are worried about their rights, they're moving to Spain because they. Yeah, and the thing is, when you, when you want to move to another country, you're going to learn something very interesting. You can't just show up and say, I want to live here. There's all kinds of requirements. You can't just say, oh, I want to be a citizen here. No, no, the eu. No, you can't just show. Well, I mean, if you walk across the border from some, you know, like from Morocco maybe, or from Algiers or whatever. But no, you can't just go to the UK for instance. Can't the UK be like, okay, do you have work? Do you have a sponsor? Sponsor? These people are going to find that it's not as simple as that.

[Adam Curry]

Then we have the other extreme of these clips, and this was. This was the trans mom of a. Or, or, no, a gay mom of a trans kid or something. I don't know. It's hard to say. But in Deerfield, Illinois, there's this big brouhaha over this boy who's in the. Who's determined that he's A girl. And he shows up in the women's locker room and got his dick hanging out. And girls don't like that. And so there's been a big fuss made by the. By the.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the.

[Adam Curry]

By the moms.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And then the school locked the girls in there. So you have to change in front of this kid.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Absolutely.

[John C. Dvorak]

The school did that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And there's. Now there's all kinds of lawsuits going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have lost our ever loving mothers.

[Adam Curry]

But here is, Here is. Here's what you're dealing with. This is the, this one. This is the Deerfield clip. And this is the woman who comes out and she just lays it on the line. You know how, how good it is to protect this. This trans girl.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Tina Nelson. She, her pronouns community member and part of the LGBTQ community. Community. Thank you for prioritizing the safety of the student that's been targeted by a organization that weaponizes religion to push the white supremacist agenda of their CIS white husbands.

[John C. Dvorak]

Church people.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Excuse me. Excuse me.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is, It's.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I have them. Let's be respectful. Please be respectful. Each other's times targeting a middle school student because of your white God. Yeah. Excuse me, can we pause for a second? This is a time for. For us to listen, to hear your viewpoint. And we, we want to hear that. So thank you. Yes. So children that are raised by those who hate, vilify and fear monger will hate, vilify and fear monger their peers. So education is super important. Sex education is super important. And this is just a kid. And it's. I'm just. I'm really grateful to see how full this room is of support for this kid instead of the petty women that target him.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad you gave the backstory, because I wouldn't have understood.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, what is CIS one white. Your CIS white husbands.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And your white God.

[Adam Curry]

And she also makes the point. She said, she makes the point that these women aren't. They don't think for themselves as their CIS white husbands that think for them. That's the only reason it's going on. Any of this is going on because of the CIS white husbands that tell these dumb women what to do and how to think. This woman, and if you look at her, she's all tatted up and she's got piercings and there's some creepy kid behind her that looks like a goth trans of some sort. And it's just. It was just cringe. Cringy. And I. There's another. It's a term I don't like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that is kind of a term I wouldn't expect from you. Cringy. Well, you know what it is? It's TikTok itself that is the issue. That is what is creating. Here's another term. Brain rock.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Katie Page Rosenberg, a freshman at the University of North Carolina, Asheville. Two successes, two failures. Recently realized what too much scrolling was doing to her. How many hours were you spending on your phone? Oh, God, probably like nine. Nine hours. I was just kind of constantly on it. You may have heard stories like hers before. I wasn't able to focus because I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would have to take out my phone.

[Adam Curry]

Every couple of minutes.

[Unnamed Contributor]

But now you can actually see the science behind it. Smartphones have wide reaching changes all over the brain and specifically it grows here and it shrinks there. Psychiatrist Brent Nelson is applying this new science at Newport health Care which has mental health treatment centers for teens across the country. This is a brain that's addicted to a smartphone. These are MRI images from a recent study in Korea. All the red indicates increases in brain activity, the effects of smartphone addiction. Do you want your brain to be this colorful? You don't. Why? Well, because this is showing where the brain is working extra hard compared to a non addicted brain when asked to do actually a pretty simple task.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I love. You know, I'm really sad at this point that I pissed off the brain scientist from Austin because this is the kind of stuff he would be doing. Remember that?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, I totally remember it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's too bad.

[Adam Curry]

You were a bad boy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I was supporting Trump without admitting I was a republican.

[Adam Curry]

You never have been a Republican.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but that was his wife. She got real mad at me. That's what happened. All right.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Second part to this, addicted smartphone users brains were so colorful, so active, it made them less attentive and more easily distracted. What's now infected, formerly called brain rot. What does that look like in real life?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Let's take school for example.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Sitting in class and you're trying to focus, they're going to be looking around, not attending to what the teacher is trying to teach them. Dr. Nelson says emerging research points to even greater risks. We're just starting to see these changes and we know they're connected to behavioral changes. Depression, anxiety, the danger are hiding in there. Social media had really influenced me in a lot of ways.

[Adam Curry]

TikTok would kind of push these videos.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Of people popping in edible before school. If I do this, maybe I'll be cool. And I started self medicating to deal with that. Last year, she checked into a treatment facility. If you hadn't gone to treatment, where would you be today?

[Adam Curry]

I don't think I'd be here. It was really bad.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Katie had to give up her phone in treatment. There she found other outlets, from drawing to playing guitar. That helped rewire her Gen Z brain. Yeah. When we're getting to keep perhaps analog anecdotes reminiscent of another generation playing in the dirt. Drinking from the hose, sort of the Gen X kind of mental is shown to actually allow folks to recover, to feel better, to make it easier to kind of go about their day.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. Drink from the hose. Play in the dirt.

[Adam Curry]

Play in the dirt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Play in the dirt, children. That'll fix it. Yeah, I'm all in on this. I can see it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're talking to the wrong guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I mean, you have no idea what this is. I create brain rot on myself sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes on like a Monday, which is. I try to kind of do a little bit of a Sabbath, just, you know, and I can't get away with it. But at least I don't look at news. And I don't, you know, I'm just. I'm. I'm not doing the typical. I'm not doing emails on Monday. Don't send me an email on Monday. Goes to the bottom of the stack. But then I'll sit on the couch around 3, like, let me see what's on YouTube. And then it'll be 5:00. And I've seen a thousand cop body cam videos. I've seen all kinds of what did I just do to myself? And it goes by real quick. You don't even realize it. There is an addictive quality to it and it rots my brain. And then I need two more days to recuperate so I can do the Thursday show.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Baby's been babysitting Theo a couple of times because they've been. Had to go do some. Had to go do some stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

How old is Theodorbal at this point?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I have no idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seven, maybe he's your grandkid. You don't know how old he is?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know how old you are.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is where you say he's new. I don't remember. He's new. He's new.

[Adam Curry]

This is part. I don't use that part of my memory for that sort of thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clearly. Don't count on John for a birthday. Birthday present, Theo.

[Adam Curry]

So the he, he can watch these. He plays Minecraft. He's always yakking about it and I always tell him I don't, not interested, I don't want to hear about it. And I shut him down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grandpa, grandpa, come look at my Minecraft. Look at my blocks.

[Adam Curry]

And it's just like a terrible game. And so it turns out he wants to. When he comes over once in a while, he wants to watch. Of course his parents have now said no more of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

I was used to show him if you wanted to be entertained on the television.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Russian car crash videos.

[Adam Curry]

Absolutely. He loved those. Kids love watching Russian car crash videos. Just a tip. This is a tip of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tip of the day. Early tip of the day everybody. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And so he wanted to watch some Minecraft videos.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh God.

[Adam Curry]

And the Minecraft videos are all talks about different very. I don't know if they're cheats or whatever. It's just so dumb. I mean these block. The characters are just blocks. They're just dumb low res blocks.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're just blocks.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Blocks.

[Adam Curry]

There must be a 10,000 hours of Minecraft videos on YouTube.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah. Oh, it's a big thing. Sure.

[Adam Curry]

It's unbelievable. I said well, you want to watch Wednesday? I want to watch that one. He points it when it's on the screen and I look at it because they have the time in the lower right hand side, side showing how long they are. Two and a half hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah. These streams. Sure, I've seen those. I mean I haven't watched them but I see them pop up. Oh yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh my God. It's just boring as hell.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about this? I have an idea. I have an here's a grandpa moment. Why don't you go out and get a huge Lego set which he's got Legos. Does he like Legos?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well then. But you should buy him a set like you know, one of those.

[Adam Curry]

No, we've been by. Believe me, you've done that. He's been bought plenty of Legos sets, but he'll still be. Loves Minecraft to such an extreme. He likes playing it, likes learning about it, likes the cheats. I think. I don't know what he's watching.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is there, is it like Second Life where there's all kinds of sex stuff going on?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't think so. As far as I can, there's just a bunch of block characters wandering around kicking each other. It just doesn't make sense to me, the whole game.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about a chemistry set? Do they still make Those. Can you.

[Adam Curry]

No, they don't. I used to when I was a kid. I had a real chemistry set that could blow things up.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I had sodium pentothal.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you did now?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That's pretty cool.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And I. And I was. And someone said, hey, that's truth serum. So I ta. It tasted awful, let me tell you that. It didn't work very well.

[Adam Curry]

You had to inject it and then.

[John C. Dvorak]

You had the microscope set or the. Yeah, microscope.

[Adam Curry]

I definitely had a microscope set. I had a chemist. I had a real chemistry set when they were real.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And they were dangerous, poisonous and toxic. I had. Had one of those.

[John C. Dvorak]

What, you had sulfur in there? You had.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, beyond that. You had all kinds of stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was awesome. Good times. Good days.

[Adam Curry]

They won't sell those anymore to kids because. Oh, they might, you know, kill themselves. I don't know what.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that was your Boomer update. Hey, everybody, your Boomer update is complete. And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in the emotive conjugation, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Dan.

[Adam Curry]

Good morning to you, Mr. Curry. You're right. In the morning to all ships at sea, Boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the names and nights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning to the trolls in the troll room. I'm counting you down. Hold on a second. All right, it's not all that great. Let me see. 1927 was our peak. 1927, which is. I don't even think. I think that's below average at this point.

[Adam Curry]

Average is 1800.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm looking at the averages right now. The average of Thursday is 1993. That was. Oh, no, that was the Last show. Last 10 shows. 2084. The last 100 shows. 1904. You're off. But in general, Thursdays are up 4.7% over the last 100. Who cares? Nobody cares. I mean, it's like saying, how many downloads do you have? Who cares? Cares. Nobody cares. Nobody cares how many downloads. We just care if we can keep the show going. What else would I do? Well, I know what I'd be doing. I'd be watching Minecraft videos on the phone.

[Adam Curry]

Doom scrolling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doom scrolling is very bad. What do you do when you're really not working? What do you do?

[Adam Curry]

I'm writing or I'm sorting email or trying to clean up my office or sorting. Fail. Sorting towel bowls, folding laundry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorting towels.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, sorting towels. Folding laundry. Or sometimes I maybe get in the car and go someplace.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Where do you go?

[Adam Curry]

Costco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Okay, so it's not some place, it's Costco. Yeah. You're doing stuff. Well, that's good. That's good.

[Adam Curry]

Not always. I mean, sometimes I'm just watching television. Aimlessly, watching. Trying to find something worth watching, which is not easy to do.

[Unnamed Contributor]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you watch your series during the day, not in the evening. Right. You don't watch tv? Tv and even. You watch sports? Sports. I bet sports.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't watch that much sports. I watch. No, I'm not a. I follow sports, but I don't sit there and watch it like a basketball game. That's what. At home, sitting there, watching a whole basketball. Forget it. It's. The games are always the same. Wait till the last two minutes and you get to see the game.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when you're sorting towels, you have to like match the. The. The washcloth with a towel or you're trying to make a matching set.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't do it. That's good. And carried away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what do you do then?

[Adam Curry]

I just fold them and put them in a. In a. In the drawer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you said sorting. You said sorting.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's kind of sorting. You got to take the. You know, because there was towels that go into one drawer and there's towel, there's dish towels, and there's kitchen towels, and there's bath towels. Or three. There's three kinds of things. You gotta.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gotta select them. Gotta select them. Wow. You should consider some single use towels called paper towels. Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

I got those two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have a dispenser? Paper towel dispenser. Not one of those round ones, but.

[Adam Curry]

I got a roll.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of those, like in the bathroom where you chunk, pull out a brown sheet.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't know what that is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you've been to a restroom and you wash your hands and then there's a dispenser and you. You pull out.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, those. Yeah, that's not a bad idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but then you have to spend your days refilling them.

[Adam Curry]

I don't need that aggravation. No, we.

[John C. Dvorak]

We want to thank the trolls for being here. All. Almost 2000 of you listening in. And that. It always does bring me joy. It brings me joy. Brings me joy that people are listening to our. Our Boomer Banter. Boomer Banter, everybody. They listen@trollroomio. They listen at no Agenda Stream or they listen on the modern podcast apps, which you can [e-mail] Many advantages of a modern podcast app. You should go check it out for yourself, including an alert when the bat signal goes, you know right away that we're going live. If you can listen live, you listen live. If not, you wait for the podcast to be posted. You'll be alerted within 90 seconds of us sending it out. There's a lot of advantages. We are a value for value proposition. Not like Roku where you've got an auto. Autoplay ad that you can't. You can't shut it up unless you quickly select something else. But then you go to Netflix and they autoplay all. I don't like that either. I just want to scroll through. Through the little squares. I don't need to have a preview automatically play. Do you know what does your smart TV do that.

[Adam Curry]

That annoys you?

[John C. Dvorak]

That does annoy me. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I just want to look at the description.

[Adam Curry]

It gives you a little sample. This is free sample. Saying it's all free. It's a sample though.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't want the sample. I want to click to get the sample.

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe they should have a toggle. You can turn that off. That would be idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I'm sure that I liked it.

[Adam Curry]

I like the little sample.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure that they're counting that as a view. Hey man, we got it.

[Adam Curry]

They know it's all done in minutes. If you read the trades, it's all billions of minutes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there, there's that.

[Adam Curry]

So that. Yeah, they. I can. You know. I bet you they do. Because since it's done in. In in micros, it's done it by second by second. I'm sure it might actually count as a view.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure they do that. Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The whole thing is sleazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, no sleazier than and charging hole.

[Adam Curry]

And the end of content is junk. There's so much garbage. Is poorly written, poorly acted.

[John C. Dvorak]

We wound up watching the Marky Mark movie.

[Adam Curry]

What was the Marky Mark movie? What's that called?

[John C. Dvorak]

The Walt. The Mark Wahlberg movie is the family plan. It's from 2023.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's a car dealer.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's got a little family. And then it turns out. Huh?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, as you mean it's starring him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's starting. Yes, it's starring. I think he also like a biography.

[Adam Curry]

Or something where you describe.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he also. He. I just call him Marky Mark because I know him as Marky Mark. He produced it too. It turns out he was an assassin.

[Adam Curry]

And oh, boy, that's creative.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a feel good movie. I can't help a feel good movie.

[Adam Curry]

About a car dealer who's an assassin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it was a feel good movie.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, so we don't. We just give you top quality entertainment and media deconstruction every single Thursday and Sunday. That's all we do. We don't charge you for it. We don't make you jump through hoops. There's no free preview. The whole thing is a free preview. Listen to the whole thing. You know, if you don't like it, then you should have bailed out long, long ago. And the best part, of course, is the donation segment. That's where all the magic happens. And a lot of that is the content that comes from our producers themselves. But first we need to thank our artist who brought us the artwork for episode 1747. We titled that hi Fi Intel. Which is exactly what we provide. High fidelity intelligence just for you.

[Adam Curry]

So we do.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now this was from a brand new artist, Gun Monkey. I think Gun Monkey had been on the art generator for two hours. And this doesn't happen very often.

[Adam Curry]

It's happened about three times.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But all recent, I think, since the. The advent of AI and this was an interesting piece. It was a flying Volkswagen bus repurposed factory. Yes, exactly. And it had all kinds of U.S. navy bombs. And it had Korean Dvorak bombs.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I don't get the US Navy aspect to it, but okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did get a note from Gun Monkey. Oh, yes. And turns out Gun Monkey is a girl.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't know Gun Monkey's a girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

What did she have to say?

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. Wait, hold on a second. Is this. Let me make sure I'm saying this. This right. Did we choose Gun Monkey before? No.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what was the cow art? Who did the cow art? That was also Gun Monkey. Yeah, we chose Gun Monkey. Two shows in a row.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, and. And she's new to the thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Oh, that's odd.

[Adam Curry]

She did the cow. Yeah, Monkey did the cow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here. Gun Monkey says, I want to thank you for selecting the cow art for 1746. I've been listening to no Agenda since 20 after. I was hitting them.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Gun Monkey didn't do this thing. This was done by.

[John C. Dvorak]

By someone else. You're right. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

This is Ty Ti one Pipple. That's who is the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was the first. That's a mistake on my. On my part. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

What are you giving Gun Monkey the credit for this guy?

[John C. Dvorak]

Gun Monkey deserves no credit.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who did this one then.

[Adam Curry]

This is Ti Pibble.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ti Pibble Pibble J. Oh, sorry. Ti Pipple J.

[Adam Curry]

Which probably means something in. In hacksor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, I didn't get a note from.

[Adam Curry]

The first submission because he. He submitted five pieces the first time ever and he got. Got a winner. Or she. Could be a she. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could be. Well, I'm. Well, I'm still going to read the.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know why you got sidetracked with Gun Monkey flirting with you. What's the deal here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, Gun Monkey said that. That he's a she and. And Gun Monkey is a professional artist and I wanted to welcome Gun Monkey to the. To the show even though Gun Monkey has been listening since 2020 and Gun Monkey also owns a gallery. GunMonkeyArt.com makes sense, doesn't it? I guess so. I don't know about People J. Pimple J know nothing about. But we appreciate.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but Pimple J is the. Is the one who came in first time because Gun Monkey has submitted before. She wasn't a one.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right.

[Adam Curry]

One off Pimple J. Guy or girl came in first shot and got. This is happens rarely, but it has happened before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great job.

[Adam Curry]

Comes in with five pieces and they. And two of them I thought were quite good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Actually they were all okay, but two of them were really good and she. And he. She won the. For the Volkswagen flying Bus. The flying bus Bug.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

There's a bus. It's a bus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. People J. Let us know about you. I love getting notes from. From. From the artist. Was there anything else that we looked at that we need to discuss?

[Adam Curry]

No, actually this was such a clear winner. I think we both determined it to be the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think we picked it pretty.

[Adam Curry]

Quick because it stood out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yes. Oh, there's a lot of fun art for today.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a lot of stuff. Yeah. Oh, by the way, people who thought it was a good idea to have puking leprechauns and puking Irish. No, we're not going to choose puke art.

[Adam Curry]

No. One of the things you have to remember, we have unwritten rules. Including grotesqueness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Anything that's grotesque or kind of sickening or nauseating is not going to be picked ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dramatic fail.

[Adam Curry]

Because that. We don't want that association where people associate no agenda with something gruesome.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't like it. Don't want it. Not going to accept it. So anyway, thank you very much, people. Jay, we appreciate you and we Also always thank the people who support us because unlike the download scam, which is like, oh, you know, we had a million downloads. Okay, how much is that? That's what they say to advertisers. You don't even know if people listen to it. That's, that's, that's the scam right there. You know, downloads, you got a whole.

[Adam Curry]

Not much else you can do. What else can you do?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's nothing else to be done. Can't be done. Nothing else to be done. So that's, that's why podcasting is a problem. That's why it's all moving to YouTube, because you can, you know, you get 30 seconds of view time. Boom, someone watched. Yep, that's not a scam. Now instead, we just ask you to support the show with whatever you think the show is worth to you. It's called the value for value principle, the value for value model. And we thank everybody. That's, that's an important part of the feedback loop is. Or important part of value for value is having the feedback loop. Some people take advantage of us, send in very, very long notes. That's not the idea. But we will comply as much as we can.

[Adam Curry]

And we thank every one couple coming up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. Just like I know I saw them. And some are just pure puzzling. We thank everybody $50 and above. And we make special mention of our executive and associate executive prod. These are people who donate $200 and above. And that means that you become an associate executive producer. That's a real credit. You can use it anywhere. Credits are recognized Hollywood style. And we'll read your note. $300 and above. Same thing, only you're an executive producer. And back with a vengeance is pseudonymous of Dogpatch in Lower Slovia. Our top executive producer today with 3, 3, 5, 2, man bringing home the bacon for us. I'm sure there was at least one two dollar bill in there.

[Adam Curry]

Well, two, two, two dollar bills. 3354.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have 3352 on my note here.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it says 3354 on the spreadsheet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. This is very important because if we get the code wrong, someone's going to die. So written, written on the note is.

[Adam Curry]

335 on the spreadsheet. She put three, three. This Jay has to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jay could be responsible for.

[Adam Curry]

Well, here's what. Okay, I'm gonna. Here's what. Normally, here's what happens. We're very concerned about this number.

[John C. Dvorak]

No kidding.

[Adam Curry]

So usually Anonymous donation comes in. I count it and keep the.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's the first weak spot.

[Adam Curry]

No, I count it and then I have somebody else count it. So two people count it and you get a number. And if the number matches, that's the number we use. In this case, I never counted it this time because I was cooking or something. I was. Something going on?

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorting towels.

[Adam Curry]

I was sorting towels. And so we have this problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, hold on. Do you recall there being more than 1? $2 bill?

[Adam Curry]

I'd have to go look in the drawer.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, next to your phone.

[Adam Curry]

Next to the phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now everyone knows where the money is kept. We're running this show out of John's drawer. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Laughably, that's closer to the truth. Here is a drawer that has money in it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know what to say. So the code, the people out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

That need this code, it's either that.

[Adam Curry]

Need the code are going to have to try both these numbers and see what. What happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

From Pseudonymous of Dogpatch and Lower Slobovia. Thank you to all producers for their ongoing effort to make this a primary news and information source. Also, thank you to producers offering insight on algorithms and attribution capacity. John's Oasis column and John and Adam's willingness to read a long note. Can you do it again and hold it?

[Adam Curry]

We'll read his long note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, and then he. Then he posted four. He posted some music notation.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I was told about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

And are you looking at the notes? Because I'm looking at it. And so it's four not bars.

[Adam Curry]

But can anybody read this musical. You have an instrument there. You can play those four notes.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the same note every single, single time. But it's. One is like. And then the second line is, da, da, da. What does it sound like? Does it sound like anything to you yet? And then.

[Adam Curry]

I know. I have no idea what this. What this.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then.

[Adam Curry]

And then when we. He'll tell us. And then it'll be something that we go, oh, duh.

[John C. Dvorak]

But then he also has two, three pieces highlighted in.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yellow.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. I don't understand that either. This is. He's. He's gone out of his way to confuse us.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a problem. It's a problem.

[Adam Curry]

Long.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a real problem. You know what I'm going to do here? I have an idea here, hold on.

[Adam Curry]

So he's musical.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't know if he's. Well, maybe he is. That's an interesting point. Let Me see if I can post this into the troll room.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. If anybody out there can play these notes or this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

The trolls have it.

[Adam Curry]

I've paced it and it says 27, 30, 30, 33.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know any of what this means. Anyway, he does close it by saying, ramadan Mubarak.

[Adam Curry]

Before the show ends in four years, we will have this figured out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ramadan Mubarak. May this Ramadan cleanse your soul and bring you closer to the Almighty. He closes. No jingles, no karma. And the trolls are now speculating in their typical stupid troll way. So we'll never get a straight answer. Was a good idea. How stupid am I? All right, thank you very much, Geronimus. Please let us know if we got this number correct. It's on. The Note is scribbled 3352. So I'm going to think that that is the correct code, the correct number.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I'm thinking.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I apologize for any death and destruction.

[Adam Curry]

Had been put on later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I apologize for any death and destruction.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I got to get my. My mouse to work. Come on, mouse. You can do it. There we go. Okay, now we've got Dame. Oh, Dame Becky. She came in and she has a note and. Okay, this is going to be annoying if I can't get this thing to work so I can switch over to the note. There it is. Okay. Okay. ITM Jants encloses a belated birthday donation for the two of us. Sir Mike, Baronet of the great Katy Prairie, celebrated 74 trips around the sun on March 8, 2025. Dame Becky Baronett of the Great Katy Prairie, celebrated 73 trips around the sun on March 2. So they're both marchers. The donation takes us each to Baron Baroness, and we hereby request the territory of the Gulf coast of Texas. Ooh, no jingles, no karma. Keep up the amazing work you both do to keep us sane and our amygdala shrunk. Regards, Becky Kenny or Becky Kenny. That's Becky Kenny. Yeah. In Katy, Texas. We've had. Yeah, obviously she's a regular.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then we got to two checks of 333.33 from Chap Williams in Edmond, Oklahoma. Oklahoma. Which of course totals 666.66. But there was no note. I do not have an email. I have nothing of the sort. So I will just give him a double up. Karma, I say. Thank you very much.

[Unnamed Contributor]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

We'll expect a note eventually. Ryan Schubert in Richmond Hill, G.A. $500 checking in from Savannah. Only since it's actually in Savannah. Yes, please de douche my wife.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry. Fat fingered it.

[Adam Curry]

And I request baby making Karma. No jingle.

[Unnamed Contributor]

You've got Parma.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do want to thank the fine folks [e-mail] another box came in. John, have you received another box?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of turtles?

[Adam Curry]

No, I haven't seen any turtles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah. And I got a hoodie. A Little John's Candies hoodie.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's cool.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Tina took that right away and said, these people are trying to kill us. Well, maybe Ryan Schubert. Rich. Oh, I'm sorry. That's. You go ahead. You do Ryan Shubert. No, you just did him. I'm doing Scott Lamont. There we go. In Somerset, Massachusetts. $350.93. My final night payment. Sir Scott the White Knight of Pottersville Village in Somerset. Taxachusetts at the Round Table, Caymus Cabernet Sauvignon and salt and vinegar almonds. And that's his entire note, so. You got it. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Baroness Sarah Rupert in Oakland, California, 33333. She writes, Happy 50th birthday today to Jonathan Rupert from Baroness Sarah Rupert. And the original no Agenda Sucker Baby Violet. Ah, Violet. She's older now. We love you so much. This donation plus the. It's called a Trap baby, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trap baby.

[Adam Curry]

You can call it Sucker baby if you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

We love you so much. This donation plus the one he made in December and our subscription has earned him a seat at the Round Table. Could you knight him today on his 50th birthday as Sir Jonathan Rupert. Please wish Jonathan happy birthday and an ITM when you come to the April 5th meetup for John's birthday at our new rap restaurant. They have a pizza place. They own the two of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

How cool.

[Adam Curry]

Over on Piedmont. It's also a grand opening weekend of our second pizzeria, Violeta. They named a pizza place after the Trap Baby, who's now older. Located in the New Prescott Market in West Oakland. Oh, that's another place. Double check address from the meetup site to make sure you go to the correct location. Okay, we'll have the. They're. They're going to have a chain of these places. We have the VIP section reserved for the no Agenda family. We'd love to be the new meetup spot for the Bay Area. There we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go, baron. Dude named Jeff.333.33. This donation pushes me past Viscount status. Nice. Huge dose of relationship karma. I need all the help I can get. You got it. I'm going to throw in a goat, actually. Make sure you get the right stuff you've got. Goats are always good for relationships.

[Adam Curry]

North Idaho Sanity Brigade donation in Concord. Yes, Dearest Boomers, it should be noted that the meetups just might be the single easiest way to generate executive and associate executive producer donations. Attendees can simply plunk down bits of catch cash into the center of the table. You have Brunetti esque Big Boy Forever credit before you can say phony ISO.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, a lot of people are complaining. They're Saying your phony ISOs are phony because an ISO is short for isolated clip. That does not mean AI generated clip. So it's unfair what you're doing.

[Adam Curry]

It should also be noted that Adam sensed something was amiss. Yeah, after three and a half months in the very beginning of the ISO gate. But John gaslit him by falsely claiming they were coming from audiobooks. It wasn't early. It was about a month into it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It wasn't a false claim. You claimed it.

[Adam Curry]

No. Well, there's the use of false claim.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

But it wasn't right away when I. It was after about a month before he decided that. To call me out on these clips. And that's when I gaslit him. If you want to put it that way. Yes, Yes, I. I would use the term bullshitted him with the idea that it came from an audiobook. Because it was. It made nothing but sense because they were very clear, crisp and clear, and it sounded like an audiobook person. Anyway, continues. Love is Lit. Sir Scott. The Jew and North Idaho Sanity Brigade.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, and I got a post note asking. The North Idaho Sanity Brigade requested a doo doo. I'm all tongue tied today.

[Adam Curry]

You got it. You got it. You're hanging in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

A de douching for Jack Kramer.

[Adam Curry]

You've been dead douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

And According to Darren O'Neill, the sheet music in the image appears to be from Beethoven's Symphony Number 9 in D Minor, Opus 125. Specifically the fourth movement, which includes the famous Ode to Joy meme. The highlighted sections correspond to recognizable melodic patterns from this symphony.

[Adam Curry]

So he sent it to AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, of course he sent it to AI. Good idea. Ode to Joy.

[Adam Curry]

That was a good idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ode to Joy, which is the European Union's national anthem.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's what we're dealing with here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, we're starting to figure it out. We're on to you. We're on to you thanks to AI.

[Adam Curry]

Yes Anon actually thanks to Darren Anon.

[John C. Dvorak]

In anonymous place unknown 222.22 a row of ducks hopefully short and sweet this time. This row of ducks was steak dinner monies that was previously allocated to the Osaka Castle Cherry Blossom viewing and Amygdala Shrinking meetup hosted by sir bill of Osaka. That's in Japan and sir3d and that was on Saturday April 5th at 1333. See no agenda Meetups. For more details, bring your own beer. Hopefully I will be sporting a night ring next time I go to that meetup. Was happy with the results of the TPP karma so I definitely recommend producers donate to $200 and pick that again. Pick that again. Thank you to the extensive list of producers that have provided value to the show through the three T's time, talent and treasure Adam don't feel bad. The Zoomers and and newer called the Millennials and older Boomers. I don't feel bad at all. I I learned on the last episode it's because we have incredible knowledge. Jingles JCD Hot Pockets. Beautiful Yum. And a TPP Jobs Karma Hot Pockets.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Be fall.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs jobs. You've got karma Sir Paulie Bravo. Paulie Bravo in Fort Collins, Colorado. Nice town. 220. 87 25th anniversary. Thanks Violet. Thanks Violet. Wild on Spotify. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Anyone ever go to a Joco Cruise on a Joco Cruise? What's Joco Cruise?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what a Joco Cruise is.

[Adam Curry]

Happy birthday, Chauncey. Sir Paulie Bravo in Foco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Joco. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, look who comes in at with $212. It's our guy, Blockman Bing.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is the guy whose note we read who was complaining about us.

[Adam Curry]

That's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Calling us out for all kinds of things. Turns out he lives in New Jersey. Tintin Falls.

[Adam Curry]

And he says that makes nothing but sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Longtime boner, first time donor. Not. Well, not the first time complainer. I've been listening since Adam was on Twit in 2010, but I only started listening religiously since AD Covid. I used to love the com. The chemtrails and trains. Good jingles. I could get those at De Douching and Goat Karma. Please. I thought there was. I thought there was more to this note. Did this note get redacted?

[Adam Curry]

Not that I know of. And I I'm wondering whether this is the same guy or he's just someone using the name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second because I remember this note was longer. Is JF Editing.

[Adam Curry]

No, he doesn't do that here.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a very long note. Yes. Side notes. This is interesting. I'm glad I caught this because the side notes are interesting. I am an Indian Hindu doctor. I voted Republican in every election since I turned 18. Twenty years ago, I took a little offense at being labeled a drive by. That was John.

[Adam Curry]

That's the same guy. Yes, that was my accusation. By the way, take full credit for calling him a drive by.

[John C. Dvorak]

You are correct. I have emails with Adam dating back to 2010 when I started listening. And then he says useful idiot is a term that. Because he called us useful idiots for Israel. Useful idiot is a term that harkens back to the Cold War to reference non commies doing the propaganda legwork for commies. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

There used to be a podcast called the Useful Idiots that Matt Taibi used to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is relevant today in non Israelis defending Israel. Israel by not calling out their crimes against humanity. You see, I think that is a problem. You cannot say we are defending anybody because we're not calling someone out for their crimes against humanity because then you never stop. So we're defending thousands of.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. We're defending thousands of people being killed in Syria. We're defending ending the killing of people in Somalia.

[Adam Curry]

Oakland, for that matter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oakland. Yes. We are pro death in Oakland. No, you can't do that. You can't do that. So I take some exception with that. Anyway, I'm glad I got the rest of your note. And so he wanted a chemtrails, which I hadn't seen, obviously. Chemtrail trails. Trains good. And what else did he want? And de douching.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the goat. Karma coming up. All aboard.

[Adam Curry]

Trains good. Planes bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks for your note, brother.

[Unnamed Contributor]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

We take no offense at your opinions.

[Adam Curry]

No, we don't take any offense. Been listening for 15 years and he finally donated. It comes around.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it took us calling out his note.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, if it wasn't for that, we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wouldn'T probably never would have heard. He would still have been driving by just shooting spitballs.

[Adam Curry]

La Jolla Salt Corporation in La Jolla, California.

[John C. Dvorak]

Didn't you get some of their product? I got some of their products.

[Adam Curry]

No, I got none of their products.

[John C. Dvorak]

Their product is outstanding.

[Adam Curry]

What is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Salt. Re the note.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, 2, 11, 8, 65 is what contributed. He, she, whatever, whatever group. This corporation. It says decimate dry skin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Decimate.

[Adam Curry]

Decimate dry skin. With a luxurious sea salt scrub from la jollasalt.com Enjoy the dazzling moisture and exfoliating power of our small batch Sea Salt Scrub grubs handmade by the sea in the village of La Jolla for complete decimation. Kick in for a bundle of 10 la jollasalt.com putting the sea back in Sea Salt Scrub La Jolla Sea Salt.com thank you for your courage.

[John C. Dvorak]

They forgot the code Bongino offer.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I noticed there's no discount there.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm surprised. It's. It's a great product. I have tried it scrubbed. I exfoliated like a. Like a madman. Dame Stacy is in Billings, Montana. Two ten and sixty cents in the morning to you gentlemen. This is a March 21st birthday donation. Birthday donation to me. I want to thank Saddle Tramp for hitting me in the mouth a few years ago. Saddle Tramp. How is Saddle Tramp? Haven't heard from her in a while. Although I have not been able to fully hit anyone in the mouth. I have smacked my husband around with different, different segments. I'm requesting a non Kamala biscuit for my birthday jingle. Please stay safe. Dame Stacy of Yellowstone country and the Black Hills.

[Unnamed Contributor]

They always give me a biscuit on my birthday.

[Adam Curry]

Eli the coffee guy in Bensonville, Illinois. There we go. $203.20. This, by the way. I'm not sure this one I, we put in here because it came in and it got one of the pending things.

[John C. Dvorak]

This happens with PayPal every once in a. I know.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. We don't know. It looks dubious. It could be a terrorist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Coffee. Coffee guy.

[Adam Curry]

So the guy comes in every show with this guy, almost the same amount.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of money and then they have to flag it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it gets flagged out of the blue because it's a randomizer. There's no real work being done here. He writes anyway. He writes well. News agencies. He's railed against the administration for deporting an innocent pro Palestine advocate for exercising his free speech. You guys called out Mahmoud Khalil. I have a clip. I have a bonus clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, bonus clip.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody right in the middle of this. Let's play the bonus clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. What is it called? Khalil could have figured that one out.

[Unnamed Contributor]

A federal judge in New York today rejected the Trump administration's efforts to keep Colombia protester Mahmoud Khalil in a Louisiana detention facility. The protesters attorney said the government wanted to avoid New York and New Jersey. Our legal correspondent Arlene Richards finds out whether location matters. A New York federal judge on Wednesday ordered that Columbia protester Mahmoud Kalil be transferred to New Jersey In a 33 page order, Judge Jesse Furman moved the entire case to a New Jersey federal court. He ruled that since Kalil was still being held in a New Jersey facility when his attorney requested his release, the case must be heard in New Jersey. One of Khalil's attorneys said in a statement that the government moved him to Louisiana to avoid having the case heard in New York or New Jersey. Critics say Louisiana's appeals court is the most conservative in the country, whereas New Jersey's third Circuit panel is evenly split with six conservative judges and six liberal judges. While the Justice Department hasn't commented on the claim, international law attorney Gerard Felitti said in a text message that the court explicitly said there was no basis to conclude that the government transferred Khalil from New York to Louisiana for an improper purpose. He adds that deportation decisions are made by immigration courts. Appeals are typically made to the Board of Immigration Appeals and then in certain circumstances to the appropriate federal court. Felitti confirmed that Louisiana federal courts do lean conservative, whereas New Jersey federal court courts have historically been less inclined to uphold deportation orders. But, he said, we are far from the deportation stage right now. The New Jersey court would have to decide whether Khalil's rights were violated in the first place, he said. What we will hear are arguments about whether his first and Fifth Amendment rights were violated by the government. The attorney said if the court rules in Khalil's favor, the government will have to be successful on appeal in order to proceed with a deportation hearing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I talked to constitutional lawyer Rob and Rob lawyer and I said what's going on with all this? Who is in charge? He said, well this is how it was written. The the executives Article two and the judicial Article three. They were meant to make it all at odds with each other. It's called checks and balances. Balances. So this is how our system was meant to work. Confusing and annoying. Good work. It was founding Fathers.

[Adam Curry]

It pays the bills somehow.

[John C. Dvorak]

This doesn't. This somehow Go Back to Madison vs. Marburg.

[Adam Curry]

You guys call out I'm going to continue the note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

You guys call out Mahmoud for being a spook. It's that type of deconstruction that makes no agenda. Truly the best podcast in the universe. Thank you for your insight. Jingle Spot the Spook of course George Clooney is a spy for producers, spooks or otherwise in need of great coffee. Visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com use the code ITM20 for 20% off your order. Stay caffeinated Eli the Coffee Guy A Spot the spook. Spot the spirit.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The spook.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody wants to spot the spook.

[Adam Curry]

George Clooney.

[Unnamed Contributor]

George Clooney.

[John C. Dvorak]

George Clooney is a spy. Was it Marbury versus Madison?

[Adam Curry]

Marbury.

[John C. Dvorak]

Marbury. Marbury.

[Adam Curry]

You said Marburg.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You're thinking of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm thinking of Mark Wahlberg, and I'm confused.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that could be too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Julianne Corente is in New Berlin, Wisconsin. $200. And that is an associate executive producership. And she comes in right away and says, use your boobs. Don't let doctors or your own doubts tell you that you can't breastfeed. Is this a thing? Yeah. Well, here she goes.

[Adam Curry]

When did breastfeeding go out of vogue?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sure there's all kinds of issues.

[Adam Curry]

Even men selling so wrestling can make more money selling that phony baloney stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess. I'm sure. I'm sure there's a campaign against it. Mama's milk mentorship helps shrink mom's amygdalas about all things breastfeeding and postpartum with simple tips. Check out my upcoming breastfeeding prep masterclass and use this is great. And use code NA80 for $33 off the class. Check out SubscribePageIO Noagenda. SubscribeAge IO Noagenda to sign up a must have for any pregnant lady. More onesies won't make postpartum easier, but this will. Thank you for your courage. Baby making Karma. Please, for all of those in need, that is an interesting new new service. That producer. Yeah, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

Here's your big market milk producer. In this case.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again, Your code is NA8008.

[Adam Curry]

Jesse Scholarude in Murrieta, California. 200. This is Switcheroo donation for my son, Andrew Scholarude. I hit him in the mouth about four years ago and we've enjoyed every show since. This is a special birthday donation. He turns 20 on March 24. This is his last birthday at home. He leaves April 8 for the air Force to join our cybersecurity warriors, his mom and I. There's a dude named Ben.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

His mom and I will miss him terribly. Terribly probably. But gitmonation will get another awesome dude named Ben. Thanks, no agenda for helping me raise my son with appropriately sized amygdala. Thanks, Andrew, for being a better son than I could have asked for. Jingles. Man overboard. Time to stand Human resource. I don't know that one. Gitmo Nation national anthem. That's too long. Hit it. And cruise missile sound effect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here's what's going on. When you listen to the these are things only for the live show. So time to stand is when I say, come on trolls, rise and sing.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, rise.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then I play the Get Monation national anthem.

[Adam Curry]

He listens to the live show, then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And then you say hit it. Those are those things are reserved for people who listen to the pre stream right after Darren O'Neill, the pre show guy. So I do, however, have the man overboard and the cruise missile effect. I think that will be a sufficient.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Board.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. Beautiful. And at the end. Oh no, there's two more. Linda.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let me read Linda so you can have the last one.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't want the last one.

[Adam Curry]

I can't read it because it blows up my spreadsheet. I cannot read this last note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you think my spreadsheet is any better?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't care. Go for it. You do.

[Adam Curry]

Linda Lupatkin Good luck with Colorado. Good luck with your Read Jobs Karma For a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's Imagemakers, Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of resumes. $200.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love your smugness.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not a choker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dale J. Thompson Cannon Beach, Oregon $200. Our final associate executive producers. And he wrote quite a note. But he says, when did no Agenda when did the no Agenda show morph into the Twilight Zone? I have a strange account to relate what happened to me this last Sunday afternoon. As our illustrious previous occupant would say, true story. No joke. Almost every Sunday afternoon you can usually find me take my dog on a long walk around my fair burg while I listen to my favorite podcast. This past Sunday was no except. And most of the time I'm listening to the podcast that was recorded that very day. This past Sunday was an exception because I was catching up with the previous Thursday show. So then he goes on, he says, about 45 minutes into the walk, at the 1 hour 36 mark in my show, when my headphones started acting up. So he pulled out his cell phone, tried to fix it. He's using both hands. The dog is impatient, so he got the headphones plugged back in. He hits play on his phone, but the sound is coming out of the cell phone speaker instead of the headphones, so he's fiddling with it some more. My impatient dog is yanking on the Leash. And then he yells at the dog, hey, stop. And now for the strange part. Right after I yelled at my dog, what should come out of Adam's mouth in the middle of the clip? But did you say something? No, it was the clip. I thought someone said, hey, stop. This was at the 1 hour, 36 and 37 seconds. Second mark. Okay, so now I'm a little freaked out. What are the chances? This is a very strange coincidence. Maybe some force in the universe is playing with me and I don't like it. So perhaps I need to make a contribution to placate the no agenda gods to let them leave me alone.

[Adam Curry]

Except absolutely. He nailed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Except I'm a Christian and I don't make offerings to idols.

[Adam Curry]

He's not idol. We worked pretty hard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyways, I'll be sending in my contribution. You deserve it. Perhaps you can put a good word in with whoever or whatever caused this incident and get this nonsense to stop word put in. Consider yourself taken care of. And that concludes our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1748. We appreciate every single one of you. Thank you for supporting us. We will thank the $50 and above donors in our second segment. And of course, if you go to noagendadonations.com you can always set up a recurring donation check to see if yours that you set up previously is still working. A lot of those get canceled and there's no notification of it. Noagendadonations.com Any amount, any frequency. And thanks again to these executive and associate executive producers.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom, shakalaka.

[Adam Curry]

I have an Ask Adam kind of thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kind of thing. Or is it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's like I wanted because this is a clip I took from npr and it sounded. I heard. What I heard was later corrected. But what I heard, I want to see if you hear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, do I play the jingle first or the ass?

[Adam Curry]

No, I would play the jingle first and then.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Really want. I don't know. But here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ask Adam. Ask Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Answer the question.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I'm ready.

[Adam Curry]

So that. So they n. They name a call sign for a radio station and I. What I heard was not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't tell me. Don't tell me what you heard, because that may.

[Adam Curry]

No, of course not. I want you to tell me what you hear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, go.

[Unnamed Contributor]

From Kunc and the NPR network. This is in the noco.

[John C. Dvorak]

I heard Kunc. Okay, I know what you heard. You heard Kunt.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she was more clear later in the clip. And then when she said it because I heard it. I said what? What kind of a state? How did they allow this? And then she said K U n see more clearly later. And I said, oh, that's interesting. And I went back and played this again. I still heard it. Misheard it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You were set up at that point. You were set up. It could be set yourself up.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm glad you got it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We were talking about AI during the donation segment. Welcome back everybody who doesn't listen to the donation segment. You missed some good clips haha jokes on you. And that included a decodation of pseudonymous of dogpatches musical notation which we believe now is ode to joy. We're not sure yet, but AI is being applied everywhere. What could possibly go wrong? As we hear from the UK Times podcast.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Lara, you've got the story in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Paper today about David Lammy, the Foreign Secretary. He's bringing AI and novel technologies into the Foreign Office to help practice diplomatic. Do diplomats practice negotiation scenarios? That's fascinating.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I do and he is. It is fun, isn't it, that. I mean everybody in government is tasked with thinking about ways that they can use AI and talk about the opportunities of AI. But David Lammy, never want to be left out, is trying very hard in a speech today at the British Chambers of Commerce to talk about how the Foreign Office can deliver growth. So there will be comments for Foreign Office staff, there'll be various new units and insight groups. But the thing that caught me most my eye the most talking to people in government about this in recent days was the upcoming announcement on artificial intelligence, which is actually that they're developing, they've got two new AI tools inside the Foreign Office and they are developing ways to help diplomats to actually do negotiations. They're doing, they're using, trying to create virtual realities so you can just drop an ambassador with a VR headset into a meeting with an overseas prime minister. Talking to a Donald Trump. Talk to a Donald Trump boss. Exactly. They're modeling how countries and other diplomats respond to things like natural disasters, so hurricanes or to sharp rises in inflation and various economic shocks. So it's quite interesting the extent to which it can replace the kind of, you know, conventional and very age old tradition of these diplomats building strong personal relations with people. I'm not massively convinced, but I think it will be very interesting to see how ambassadors and high commissioners.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't they just have the, the UK AI talk to the US AI take out the middlemen.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And then go into that mode, the high speed. It's not high mode.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not high speed. It's 35B. Thank you. I did have a concerning note here from Tom's Hardware blog. There are apparently USB C cables, when scanned with a CT scanner, reveals electronics in the connector that include an antenna and another die embedded in the microcontroller. Ooh. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Ooh. Sounds like a pretty cool device.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh is right. We don't know what it does.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know what it does. It's a spying device.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it. You can get them. Oh, you. Oh.

[Adam Curry]

Where can you get them?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. At hack 5, apparently. According to the troll room. Hack 5. I didn't realize that I want to call out a script. I'm disappointed in Ms. Leavitt and Peter Doocy for playing out a little, a little show in the press room. This was funny, but yet unnecessary because it was obvious you colluded. And this discredits Peter Doocy of Fox News.

[Unnamed Contributor]

There is now a member of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

European Parliament from France who does not think the US Represents the values of the Statue of Liberty anymore.

[Unnamed Contributor]

They want the Statue of Liberty back. So is President Trump going to send the Statue of Liberty back to France? Absolutely not. And my advice to that unnamed low level French politician would be to remind them that it's only because of the United States of America that the French are not speaking German right now. So they should be very grateful to our great country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kelly, so obvious.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's pretty bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I was turned off by that.

[Adam Curry]

I want to get this out of the way, which is the stranded astronauts controversy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Controversy.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

They weren't stranded.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they weren't.

[Adam Curry]

Well, depends on who you talk to. I have two clips. I have the astronauts return. But before we play that, I want to play the stranded astronauts clip. This was a couple weeks ago and they were at a press conference. They were floating around in the pod and they were asked this question.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like that you titled the clip Stranded Astrobots. Here's the question.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Our next question is from Aaron Gregg with the Washington Post.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi, everyone. Thanks for, thanks for doing this. So my question relates to Elon Musk. My goodness, this sounds just like those quarterly calls from Walls. Wall Street. Our next question is from the Wall Street Journal. Hey, everybody. Great cue. Yeah. I have a question for the astronauts.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Our next question is from Aaron Gregg with the Washington Post.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi everyone. Thanks for, thanks for doing this. So my question relates to. Elon Musk has said that he made the offer to bring you guys back.

[Adam Curry]

Earlier and that it was denied.

[John C. Dvorak]

My first question is Is that true? And if so, what would that have looked like? Was he offering to make another flight push seats on another flight? Could you give us some background there?

[Adam Curry]

I can only say that Mr. Musk.

[Unnamed Contributor]

What he says is absolutely factual. I have no, we have no information on that though whatsoever. What was offered, what was, what was not offered, who it was offered to, how that processes went, that's information that.

[Adam Curry]

We simply don't have.

[Unnamed Contributor]

So I believe him.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know all those details and, and I don't think any of us.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Really can give you the answer that maybe that you would be hoping for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well that's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

So the answer they were hoping for of course is that yeah, Biden stranded them. Yeah, but, but they were offered a trip back and then Biden actually did strand them, left them up there and then it's kind of, it's now it's become a bone of contention amongst the media. Well the word stranded isn't being used correctly. They like being up there and all lost.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were lost in strand space.

[Adam Curry]

And so we have the astronauts return clip which is just kind of summarizes them coming back.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Two NASA astronauts are back on Earth.

[Adam Curry]

After an extended stay on the International Space Station. Their mission was set to last only.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Eight days, but Butch Wilmore and Sunny Williams ended up spending nine months in orbit. Central Florida Public Media's Brendan Byrne has more on the astronauts 286 days in space. It was a picture perfect return as the SpaceX Dragon capsule gently splashed down under a canop of four parachutes just off the coast of Tallahassee, Florida. And Splashdown Crew 9 back on Earth. But their mission wasn't as smooth as their return. NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams arrived at the station back in June in Boeing Starliner spacecraft designed to take astronauts to and from the station. It was a test flight, but during their arrival the crew encountered problems with the spacecraft's thrusters. Starliner docked successfully, but NASA decided it wasn't safe enough to take them home. Instead they went with another company, Elon Musk's SpaceX, for the return journey. Starliner was sent back to Earth without a crew in August and an already.

[John C. Dvorak]

Planned crew mission flew to the station.

[Unnamed Contributor]

In September with only two of its four seats taken by NASA's Nick Hague and Russia's Alexander Gorbunov. The empty seats were for Wilmore and Williams. The four returned home together. Nick, Alex, Butch, Sonny. On behalf of SpaceX, welcome home. During their extended stay, Wilmore and Williams became part of the station crew conducting 150 unique science experiments and multiple spacewalks. NASA's Steve Stitch says despite the mission not going as originally planned, you know, Butch and Sonny's return on Dragon to me shows how important it is to have two different crew transportation systems. NASA says Boeing is committed to flying starliner again, although when that will happen and whether or not it will carry a crew is still unclear.

[John C. Dvorak]

What I find fascinating about all this is that the, the blue, the blue, the blue thing. Was it Blue Horizon Blue origin. What is Bezos's outfit called?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Blue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Baby blue. They've had a lander on the so called moon for two weeks and you've hardly heard anything about it.

[Adam Curry]

Mainly it's not doing anything up there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's out of power now. It's done. Yeah, I thought. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I was going to say. Well, you can finish that. That thought because I, I was discussing how I thought that they stayed up on the space station. They can collect a bunch of overtime.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blue fail, Blue fail, Blue fail.

[Adam Curry]

But the, but some. One of our producers looked into it and found out that they weren't going to get any overtime at all. They got. Got kind of gypped by this whole thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they got like 170. 70 bucks a day or something.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's like meals and, and transportation, you know, I think they did get some per diem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Some drink coupons possibly. That's a, that's a rough deal, man. That's no good. Yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

And somebody pointed out that both of them weren't young and so they're going to have a hard time. Hard covering.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, hard time. Yeah. And then of course there's the fly. You probably saw the Fly video.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I saw the Fly. I'm not buying it. You know, it could be any sort of anomaly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, you, you believe it? I think the whole splashdown was AI generated. It was just AI. There was.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not that. AI is not that good.

[John C. Dvorak]

AI is very good. It's very good at that stuff, you know. And that Jensen guy, he keeps doing. Jensen from Nvidia.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Jensen Huang.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. He keeps doing these Steve Jobs things with his leather jacket. His leather jacket and his.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's got a robot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Accompanying him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And he's treating the robot like a dog. And the, and the stand over there, it's like. It's so fake.

[Adam Curry]

I had dinner with that guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Some years back, before they really got big.

[John C. Dvorak]

When he was still a guy. Gaming guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, when he's still a gaming guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Nice guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm sure he is.

[Adam Curry]

I liked him.

[John C. Dvorak]

And go kick him in the shoes.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure he's even nicer now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah, I'll bet he is.

[Adam Curry]

He won't have dinner with me now.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, not at all.

[Adam Curry]

Who's that guy? Who.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we need to. I'm going to wrap up my. My offerings for today with some measles because we've got to sound the alarm. New York City under alert.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I'm calling on all New Yorkers. If you've not been vaccinated, your child's not vaccinated. Please step up and get it done. Today, Governor Kathy Hochul spoke about why she is sounding the alarm, encouraging all New Yorkers to get vaccinated against measles. While the outbreaks in Texas and New Mexico may seem far away, 13 other states are reporting cases of measles, including New York State. And there is an outbreak in Ontario, Canada, which borders New York. Governor Hochul is hoping to combat any vaccine headlines presidency. The vaccination has been determined to have saved 60 million lives over the last 20 years alone. 60 million lives. That's extraordinary.

[John C. Dvorak]

60 million lives saved.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what she said.

[Adam Curry]

Nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's saying that the vaccine has saved over 60 million lives from the deadly measles.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my God.

[John C. Dvorak]

That just doesn't. That's just. That sounds.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what it sounds like.

[Unnamed Contributor]

We cannot go backwards in this time of fear and disinformation. It'll only wreak havoc on our state.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Everyone, let's go forward together. The state launched a new web portal today with information about measles. About 81% of New York residents have received at least one MMR dose. That is the measles vaccine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not enough.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Since 1989, two doses have been recommended. The first dose is given at the age of one, the second at four to six years of age.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's doing this all wrong. You've got to offer French fries and a Big Mac and then they will get vaccinated. But the worst part is Dr. Peter Hotep. Hotep. Yes, Hotep. Well, he's very. He's celebrating because it was, you know.

[Adam Curry]

Covid broke out celebrating another day of life. From the looks of him, five years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ago was when we first came out with the MRNA vaccine, which, as you know, has been incredibly successful. Just ask him. Just ask. President Trump saved millions of lives, almost as many as the. As the measles vaccine. It's just Fantastic.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Five years ago tomorrow, Moderna introduced the first human trials for a COVID 19 vaccine. But the point, and the point you made to us all those years ago is that the research that went into that vaccine and the others started well before the pandemic, in some cases 40 years before the pandemic, including research that you'd done.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the kind of thing we're.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Talking about here, Research that's being done in the background that most people don't even know, for diseases that we don't know that we're going to suffer from. Yeah, that's exactly right, Ali. Remember the work going in to show that the spike protein, especially the receptor binding domain of the spike protein, is the target of any vaccine strategy against the coronavirus, whether It's SARS or SARS 2, which is the cause of COVID 19. That was work that was funded in our lab all through the 2000 and tens and possibly even earlier than that. So that was a decade of research funded by the nih, and then all of the research that led to the Nobel Prize at the University of Pennsylvania. Scientists for MRNA research, that was 15 years of research. So unfortunately, the American people, people too often have the impression that MRNA vaccines arose out of nowhere, and it didn't. There was 15 years of significant support from the National Institutes of Health that funded two convergent lines, one, for showing the spike protein as a target for coronavirus, and second, how to shape the MRNA vaccine. Shape the MRNA as a vaccine strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

A vaccine strategy, not a gene therapy. A vaccine strategy. And of course, he is singing for his supper here because he's afraid that Bobby the op may just defund his research. Well, what we learned from talking to.

[Unnamed Contributor]

You all those years ago and since.

[Adam Curry]

Then is all that we don't know.

[Unnamed Contributor]

About biology, about chemistry, about disease.

[John C. Dvorak]

My argument is that's okay.

[Unnamed Contributor]

It's okay if everybody watching the show doesn't know what the NIH does. It's okay if you don't know what clinical trials are going on out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ali Velshi from msnbc. Velshi, Velcro to happen.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The fact that you can target them because people don't know what they are and that the government can get away with impunity and saying, we're cutting all of these, all of this research, you shouldn't have to know what it is. You do have to know that important work is being done.

[John C. Dvorak]

Important work.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Well, and not only that, Ali, you're absolutely right. But the other aspect is now with this MRNA having proof of concept that it works for infection, infectious diseases.

[Adam Curry]

It doesn't work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Proof of work. It's like bitcoin proof of work. We have proof of work that it works and proof of work, it works. Safe and effective, it works well.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And not only that, Ali Amy, you're absolutely right. But the other aspect is now with this MRNA having proof of concept that it works for infectious diseases, now we're turning it to cancer therapeutics.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, of course, yes. Problem reaction solution.

[Unnamed Contributor]

So there was a recent report that an MRNA vaccine is showing a lot of promise in pancreatic cancer, which, you know, in the past has been such a devastating condition that's taken the lives of so many of my friends and colleagues over the years. We're now at Baylor looking at the.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, people as you know, that had pancreatic cancer. I'd say that's something wrong with that. The numbers with that group.

[John C. Dvorak]

With that group.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, something's going on there.

[Unnamed Contributor]

My friends and colleagues over the years, we're now at Baylor looking at the possibility creating an MRNA for triple negative breast cancer. So again, this is going to be the next generation of cancer therapeutics. And we're going to. And we can't now cut that off. And then we have other pandemic threats coming down the line. There's this thing called H5N1 that's affecting cattle and poultry and other dehuman cancer. There's no human to human transmission. Not yet, but that could happen and it could happen over the next couple of years. And so we're going to need new vaccines for that. And that can only come through support from the National Institutes of Health.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love the conflagration. Conflagration, the confusion about vaccines and therapies. And this guy is a ghoul and.

[Adam Curry]

He'S a total ghoul. But why does the NIH have to be, I thought drug companies, pharmaceutical companies, vaccine manufacturers and all the rest can do their own damn research.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very. Thank you. Very good point.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Okay, so that's the research side, then there's the political side. And when I say that, I'm referring to the measles situation we've got in the United States. We've not talked about a measles outbreak in this country for a very long time. Largely something that people thought was.

[Adam Curry]

Was eradicated an outbreak.

[Unnamed Contributor]

It doesn't take much to shift the political winds to cause people to say, I don't need vaccines, they're dangerous, they're gonna cause autism or whatever the case is. In some cases, those concerns are rooted in some valid fears. And in some cases like mmr, they're simply not. We have a head of HHS who suggests that there may be other ways to deal with measles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Like getting it. It's just a thought.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah. And it's. It's not the kind of message we want to get out. I'm here in Texas where the measles. Measles epidemic.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, an epidemic. Epidemic. Adjective affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population. This is not an epidemic. It's also not an outbreak. It's some kids with measles.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah. And it's not the kind of message we want to get out. I'm here in Texas where the measles epidemic is pretty serious business where at least 250 known cases. And some of my colleagues in West Texas are telling me that number may be considerably higher. And the one thing you can hide is the 34 death, 34 hospitalizations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there it is again. Now you called this out a couple of shows back. And I say, well, that was just a mistake, but I think you're right. Now you. You are correct. I can't argue. I was correct. Can't argue with your logic. Yep, they are.

[Adam Curry]

You say deaths and then you correct yourself.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are planting it. It's another. It's a trick.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Texas are telling me that number may be considerably higher. And the one thing you can't hide is the 34 death. 34 hospitalizations in Texas right now because of measles. Measles is a serious illness that causes measures. Measles pneumonia.

[John C. Dvorak]

It causes measles pneumonia. This is good.

[Unnamed Contributor]

It causes measles croup. It causes permanent neurologic injury. Measles, ticks, deafness and measles Tourette's. And this is what's racing through the unvaccinated population.

[Adam Curry]

Racing in the state of Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Racing through the unvaccinated population.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And the only way to slow this epidemic down right now is to vaccinate our population. Population do catch up. Vaccination campaigns. You can even vaccinate individuals.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's patently false. It's not the only way. There's many ways. Like letting everybody get the measles. It's not the only way.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Or have been exposed to the virus. If you vaccinate within 72 hours, that has to be all hands on deck.

[John C. Dvorak]

And wait a minute. You can vaccinate within 72 hours of getting the measles and then it'll cure you.

[Adam Curry]

That's not True.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Vaccinate our population. Do catch up vaccination campaigns. You can even vaccinate individuals who have been exposed to the virus if you vaccinate within 72 hours. That has to be. All hands on deck. I don't know. I'm really head scratching. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

All hands on deck. Quick, quick. All hands on deck.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I don't know. I'm really head scratching. What? Our Health and Human Services secretary is saying he's starting to talk about vitamin A as a preventative. It's. It's not. Or. Or steroid. I don't know where that comes from. From. The overwhelming message needs to be to vaccinate our population. Stop it. And as long as we have an unvaccinated population in Texas, this virus will continue to race through it. I think of it like a hurricane over warm Caribbean waters. As long as there's warm water, that hurricane will continue. It's the same with an unvaccinated population.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a hurricane. Unvaccinated population is like a hurricane. Kane. Wow. I have no words. I have no words.

[Adam Curry]

There's nothing you can say.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. It's just insane. All right. Take us home, John.

[Adam Curry]

You mean with a.

[John C. Dvorak]

With a clip?

[Unnamed Contributor]

Just.

[John C. Dvorak]

And ended up with a clip I got.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. It's a two parter. I just want you to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Yes. I'm just telling you we're going long.

[Adam Curry]

I don't want to go long with it. Let me just play something short then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Play something short.

[Adam Curry]

Couldn't be any shorter than this. I like to know how this works, but Mexico's captured the FBI's most wanted guy.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The White House announced the capture of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another fugitive from the FBI's 10 most wanted list.

[Unnamed Contributor]

The statement says the fugitive is called.

[John C. Dvorak]

Francisco Javiero Mambadales and that he's a senior leader of the brutal ms.13 gang.

[Adam Curry]

He'll be extradited from Mexico to face.

[John C. Dvorak]

Charges in the United States. Oh, I see. Easy. Mexico, Mex. The Mexican gangs don't want tariffs. Right here.

[Adam Curry]

They don't want that guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take. We don't want this guy. This guy's no good. Take him. Yeah, take him.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. On no agenda. Yeah. We are going a little bit long, but it's good because we've got Commodores. We've got tons of birthdays.

[Adam Curry]

Commodores again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. The Commodores are stepping up, man. They're stepping up. We love it.

[Adam Curry]

It's about time. Stepped up in Scottsdale, Arizona, with 133.33. Nathan Cochran in Franklin, Tennessee. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's from Mercy Me. There's your. There's your boys. Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Hey. Hey, Nathan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey. Hey.

[Adam Curry]

Good to hear from you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Franklin, Tennessee.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

Tennessee's a music place.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Music City, usa, baby.

[Adam Curry]

Brendan for Cade. For Cade. For cade. And Polsbo, Washington. 100 bucks. Anyone gets a chance go through that town. It's quite cute. Kevin McLaughlin in Concord, North Carolina. 8008. There he is. He's the Archduke of Luna. Lover of American, lover of boobs. Jason May. Mary. Mayori. Mayori. Mayori. I don't know. In one. Wanaki. Wanaki, Wisconsin canine f y w 73. Donation is 73. 73. 73. 73.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kilo five alpha. Charlie. Charlie.

[Adam Curry]

He says the nation's fifth largest cell carrier is being eaten by the second largest.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't even know who is number five.

[Adam Curry]

Dame Becky's up 6969. She's in Arlington, Washington. Sir. Lineman, 6789.

[John C. Dvorak]

Baron of Southern Shillinois. Oh, he's getting surgery next week to remove a brain tumor the size of a tennis ball.

[Adam Curry]

Jeez, that's gotta hurt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we stop right away for karma for him. Health, karma.

[Unnamed Contributor]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not gonna mess around.

[Adam Curry]

Kevin O'Brien.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not gonna mess around with that.

[Adam Curry]

Chicago, 6006. Small boobs. Scott Schreiber in Madrid, Maryland. Oh, I'm sorry, he's not in Madrid, Maryland. That's what it says, but no, it's Madrid, Spain. Some province. Province or whatever it is. MD 5798. Happy Father's Day in Spain. From Scott Schreiber by the riverside. Okay, thanks, Scott. Sir. Rossi in Lancaster, New Mexico. 5555. He's in the White Mountains. Dean Roker, 5510. Shrewd. Srinivas Murty in Culpepper, Virginia. Somebody's pounding something. Stop the hammering outside. 5273. And it's a happy birthday to Radha Murty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Turning 95.

[Adam Curry]

Good work. Bob Newell in Penfield, Pennsylvania. 5250. And now we got to read to the 50s. It's actually a pretty short short list today. And the $50 donors are short another short list. Chris Cowan in Austin, Texas. Scott Lavender in Montgomery, Texas. Luke Olson in Alexandria, Virginia. Andrew Gooseik in Greensboro, North Carolina. And last, Michael Socorro in New Richmond, Wisconsin. Want to thank these folks and everybody else for helping us do show 7. I don't know what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

48.

[Adam Curry]

48.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't know how old your grandson is. Don't know what show Numbers.

[Adam Curry]

Numbers.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you know how to sort the towels. Thank you to everyone who came in under $50. For reasons of anonymity, we never mentioned those. And remember, you can always put together a sustaining donation. You determine the amount, you determine the frequency. Go to noagendadonations.com Help us out. And again, thanks to our executive and associate associate executive producers for episode 1748 no agenda donations dot com. Well, Dame Becky turned 73 on March 2nd. We say happy birthday to her. Sir Mike turned 74 on the 8th. Dame Stacy, she celebrates tomorrow. Jesse Scholar Scholarude wishes his son Andrew a very happy birthday. He'll be 20 on the 24th. Srinivas Murthy, happy 95th birthday to his mom, Radha Murty. Baroness Sarah, Rupert, which is Jonathan Rupert, a very happy 50th, sir Paulie. Bravo. Happy birthday to Chauncey. Long birthday. Note here from Claire Hedges. Claire says happy birthday to Piers Chidley of Melbourne, Australia. You are the body of an athlete, the mind of a stoic, the spirit of a warrior and the heart of a poet. Happy birthday from everybody here. The best podcast podcast in the universe. We've got Sir Mike Baronet, Sir Mike Baronet, Sir Mike who upped his support to the show of over a thousand dollars or more. So he becomes Sir Mike Baron of the Great Katy Prairie Protectorate of the Gulf coast of Texas. Dame Becky Baronett as Dame Becky becomes Dame Becky Baroness of the Great Katy Prairie Protectorate of the Gulf coast of Texas. And Baron dude named Jeff becomes Viscount dude named Jeff. Thank you all so much for the extra support. We really appreciate it. Now we have a couple of commodores that we can welcome. They will receive their official certificate. As always, we are very proud to welcome the following commodores. Sir Animus of Dogpats in Lower Slobovia. Sir Mike of the Great Katy Prairie. Dame Becky of the Great Katy Prairie. Chap Williams and Ryan Shubert, all of you are now official. No agenda. Commodores. Commodores arriving. Go to noagendarings.com pick up your official commodore certificate by sending us an address that'll be interesting for Sir Animus of Dogpatch in Lower Slovia. I am very curious where he's going to pick up his commodore certificate. You never know. You never know. Two nights to bring up today. Bring up your nightblade John. We got there you go no, that's beautiful. Hey, Scott Lamont and Jonathan Rupert, both of you hop up on the podium. You are about to go. Knights of the no Agenda Roundtable. Thanks to your support in the show of $1,000 or more. I'm very proud to pronounce the K the as Sir Scott, the White Knight of Pottersville Village in Somerset Taxachusetts and Sir Jonathan Rupert for you we have hookers and blow rent boys and Chardonnay along with that. By request Cay Ms. Cabernet Sauvignon with salt and vinegar almonds. Also we've got Ruben S ribbon and rose geishas and sake vodka, vanilla bong hits and bourbon. We got sparkling cider and escorts, Ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and Pablo. And as always at the end of the table, mutton and meadow. Both of you head over to no Agenda Rings as well. Watch out for those commodores. You don't want to bump into them. And you can take a look at that handsome signet ring which is your night ring for good, forever for keeps. And along with that you get some wax because it's a signet ring so you can seal your important correspondence. And also a certificate of authenticity of course. And thank you. Thank you for being and becoming Knights of the no Agenda Roundtable.

[Adam Curry]

No Agenda Meetup Meetups.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of the best parts of being part of no Agenda Nation is going to a meetup. This is where you meet the people who will be your first responders in an emergency. These are producer organized. You can find [e-mail] they are the people who bring you connection and protection. And this is exactly what took place at the North Idaho Sanity Brigade meetup. This is the North Idaho Sanity Brigade.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And we are in the the moment. It's sure Scotta Jew here my dad is one of the highest paid nutritionists in North Idaho. But for some reason nobody believes him when he says he has big erect Shia Sir Donald of the fire bottles. Trying to figure out why I'm the only one here who has programmed a vacuum tube computer. It's Lloyd the Brewer. I'm the newest member of the North Idaho Sanity Brigade.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just want to say thank you for.

[Unnamed Contributor]

What you do and see you tomorrow morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam. Good pronunciation of Cordelane.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I don't got anything to say. That was my son Quincy.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Sir Ducifer finishing up a six day snowboard run and hanging out with the North Idaho Sanity Brigade in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Sir El Font here in the morning.

[Unnamed Contributor]

This is Brian from Post Falls. Soon to be sir of stable storefronts. Couple suggestions for show title credibility flambe. Perhaps the show ISO Dvorak is a fraud.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bring back real isos. That's my crew right there, man. Nice to see Sir Ducifer.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of famous people in that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we got Sir Sir Donald the fire bottles. That was very good. Remember to include your servers in these reports, please. We got a couple of meetups taking place today underway as we speak. The Central Wisconsin. Wow. In Sconis. That's in Schofield, Wisconsin. The it's cold. It's hot. Tucson meetup underway at Canyon's Crown in Tucson, Arizona. The Denver Spring Equinox meetup kicks off in just about an hour and a half from now at Lincoln's Roadhouse in Denver, Colorado. Charlotte's thirsty. Third Thursday. This is their fourth anniversary. That'll be this evening at Ed's tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina. And tomorrow, the Round Rock Roundup 6:33 here in Texas. Round Rock, Texas. Cork and Barrel. On Saturday, the City of Fountains Meet up at 2:00 at Bergen Barrel in Overland Park, Kansas. And on Sunday, our next show day, the Dems ides of March Indy no agenda meetup 3:00 at St. Joseph Brewery and Public house in Indianapolis, Indiana. That's always a big group. We always look forward to your meetup reports. Many more on the calendar. All of these meetups again are scheduled and produced by producers. Go hang out, figure out who else is listening. You will always enjoy a no agenda meetup. In fact, it's like chips. You eat one, you can't stop at all. Go tonoagenAmeetups.com. if you can't find one near you, start one yourself. It's easy. And always a party.

[Adam Curry]

You want to be where everybody feels the same. It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, baby. Oh, always like a party. And now we come to the phony baloney ISO competition. That John is just cheating. And we want real ISO. So I'm going to play some real ISOs and then you can play your cheats. Okay, so here's my first one.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And so there we are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah, it's too muddled. That's too muddled. Here's another one. Here's another one.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yet again I find myself amazed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Didn't like the cutoff. Here's my favorite.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, you get me my age, it's gonna be a lot different.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Yeah, I figured.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right. You know, come up with your phone.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. So. So Mimi said to me, yeah, she challenged me. She says, you Know, you got your. Okay, you've been caught. Now you gotta try to get the thing to do some. Some, you know, street sounding. Some. Some ghetto. Something. Something that's a little different.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, wait. So you're not doing ISOs. You're. You're one.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm doing. I'm doing the same ISOs. Because I couldn't get. I tried to get everybody on the. On the list. I think if I upgrade my subscription to.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's not an ISO. That's an AI. Phony baloney.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, but the phony baloney. If I could get. I wanted to go. Yo, yo, yo, what up? Dope show.

[John C. Dvorak]

It can't do that.

[Adam Curry]

No, everything works out except the dope show. It won't say dope show.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so what we're going to do now, we're not going to call it ISOs. We're going to call it the agentic AI segment. And I will see. I'm not going to compete with you on who can make better AI voices.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

The show evolves. You know, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but we can't call it an ISO.

[Adam Curry]

No, I just call it an ISO for the purposes of the list. So you can find it on the list. So I got three. Three.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, what do you got?

[Adam Curry]

I got. Done.

[Unnamed Contributor]

We're done. Now go home.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Great.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I give up. Another great show.

[John C. Dvorak]

That sounded pretty AI. That.

[Adam Curry]

That.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a fail. That's a fail.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And that guy couldn't do yo, yo, yo, what up?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Which is incredibly white of you, but. Okay, I digress.

[Adam Curry]

Of course it is. I'm white. Hello.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello. And the final one.

[Adam Curry]

Sexy.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Another show that exudes sexiness. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're losing your touch, man.

[Adam Curry]

You know, now I've lost.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me hear this one.

[Unnamed Contributor]

We're done now go home.

[John C. Dvorak]

I kind of like that one the best.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I use that.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. And now, everybody, it's time for everybody's highlight of the program. This is John C. Dvorak's tip of the day.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And sometimes Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Created by David. This today's show is for free photo editing software, gimp. It's the GIMP to compete with gimp.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Because GIMP is actually quite hard to use. It's very powerful, but very difficult to use. So I'm having fun with this other one. And there's a. But it turns out to be tons of them out there. Not tons, but maybe. Maybe a dozen very usable free products.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you going to alternative.net?

[Adam Curry]

No, I dug this one up. Through some more deeper research. Okay, this is Photo Demon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Photo Demon.

[Adam Curry]

Photo Demon. And I would recommend people get it and play with it. And you get it at photo. Don't get it anywhere but he. But their main source. I went to GitHub to find their, their real source source of it, which is photodemon.org and download it from there because everyone else is. You know, you can't trust these download sites anymore. They download.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that was a previous tip.

[Adam Curry]

Spyware with their downloads. Yeah, photodemon.org gets used. I think they're on version 12 and I would recommend playing with it if you like to play with some photo editing stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's a pretty good tip. I might even follow that tip myself.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, give it a shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll give it a shot. There you go, everybody. That is your John Cedar Borac tip of the day, tipoftheday.net, no agenda, fun.com.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Brunetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you very much, Danny Brunetti for creating that. What would you do? Without you? What would we do? Hey, that's it for your no Agenda show. We were happy to present it to you. We do this as a public service. We're value for value. So if you get anything out of this, send us some value back time, talent, treasure. Noagendadonations.com is where you can do that. We've got end of show mixes. I've got a. I pulled up an oldie which is from 2016. It's a compilation which just runs for about a minute 20. I think you'll like it. We got Brian Longenecker classic and lobg. Another, another Vladimir Putin classic. What I'm trying to say here is these are old, old mixes. We need some new mixes, people. Send us new mixes. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country here in picturesque Fredericksburg in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, which is just as picturesque in some way or other, I'm John Cedarbora.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, except we don't have any homeland here. We drop them off at the Kerr county line is what we do with them. Coming up next on the no Agenda stream, we've got too many go mugs from A Walk through the Mind. Until next Sunday, everybody. Adios, mofos. Who ee hooey and such. Noagendadonations.com 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Victoria Cake and Noodleman. Let's get social.

[Adam Curry]

Give it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mary McCoy. Yes, the beaches are back open. Woohoo.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Isis Uses social media like a job fair.

[John C. Dvorak]

Troubled soul. Come to the Caliphate. Come to the Caliphate.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Because we and our allies sent 600 tons of weapons into that civil war. You have people, mosques being vandalized, kids being executed. Being executed is. We'll be back one day to fight our own weapons. They were known as normal teenagers. They punish us for doing things that we take for granted. Normal teenagers. We are killing them. And we will continue killing ISIS terrorists that pose a threat to us. We're very good at that. Good at that. That, that, that, that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jamila, is it funny or is it important?

[Adam Curry]

We are finally going to lead again. You see what's happening?

[Unnamed Contributor]

You see the rockets going up left and right?

[Adam Curry]

You haven't seen that for a long time. Very soon, we're going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going Mars if my opponent won. That I can tell you.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Space force, Force, Force Force. Space force.

[John C. Dvorak]

Air power, Space, Space power. Aef. Air power, Space power. Aef.

[Adam Curry]

Space force.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Space force.

[John C. Dvorak]

Space force. With space force, Space force, Force Force. Air power, Space power, aef.

[Adam Curry]

We are finally going to lead again. We are finally going to. We are finally going to lead again. You see what's happening is see the.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Rockets going up left and right.

[Adam Curry]

You haven't seen that for a long time. Very soon, we're going to Mars.

[John C. Dvorak]

Space force.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Space force.

[John C. Dvorak]

Air power. Space power. Aef.

[Adam Curry]

Force, Space force.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Don't worry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be happy.

[Adam Curry]

Don't worry.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Be happy. Don't worry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be happy.

[Adam Curry]

Don't worry, be happy. The best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Audio mofo devorak. Org Na.

[Unnamed Contributor]

We're done now. Go home.