1795 - "Dead Feathered"

Summary

No Agenda Show 1795: "Dead Feathered"

Date: August 31, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Overview

In this playful and deeply analytical episode, Adam and John deconstruct recent media narratives, governmental health policies, pharmaceutical industry influence, and societal shifts in the post-pandemic world. With their signature humor and skepticism, the hosts discuss the continued fallout over vaccine mandates, the ideological wars inside public health administration, social dynamics around AI, international unrest, “deep state” intrigues, and the culture-driving, sometimes ridiculous, shape of modern advertising and online discourse.

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Main Themes & Discussion Points

1. The Pharmaceutical-Political Complex and Vaccine Narratives

Highlights:

• The hosts critique the flood of anti-Kennedy, anti-“anti-vaxxer” messaging across mainstream and social media, elaborating how pharmaceutical interests now rely heavily on influencers as TV advertising may face increased restrictions.
• Bernie Sanders exemplified as a paid influencer, robotically repeating the “safe and effective” COVID vaccine mantra ([13:04]–[14:12]).
• Continued confusion in public messaging: Dr. Peter Hotez now pivots, attacking older vaccine technologies while continuing to champion mRNA—a rhetorical move John calls “spectacular” hypocrisy ([16:46]–[19:51]).

Notable Quotes:

• Adam: "Vaccines are safe and effective. Hit it again. Hit it again, Bernie. Vaccines are safe and effective. Oh, third time. Come on, Bernie." ([13:47])
• John: "This is a meme now. Repeating ‘safe and effective’ is the big lie." ([15:02])
• Adam: “He’s slammed the entire vaccine industry since the late 1700s! Yes, they’re all no good—except mRNA, which we know for a fact is no damn good.” ([21:06])

Timestamps:

• 07:47: Pharmaceutical lobbying focus, Kennedy as CDC critic.
• 13:04–14:12: Bernie Sanders’ vaccine script.
• 16:46–19:51: Dr. Hotez pivots, slams traditional vaccines.

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2. Shifting CDC/Health Agency Politics

Highlights:

• The ongoing narrative war over public health (mandates, children’s vaccine schedules, resignation of vocal pro-vaccine bureaucrats).
• Dr. Demetri Daskalakis steps down, alleging science is “being replaced by ideology” and “harm” is coming ([31:38]–[38:59]).
• CDC accused of promoting policies "designed to hurt"—an assertion Adam and John mock as over-the-top and potentially defamatory ([32:10]–[33:23]).

Notable Quotes:

• John: "[Saying the administration is] designing to hurt people... That’s an actionable statement." ([32:10])
• Adam: “I only see harm coming… based on what I’m seeing, with the new Advisory Committee.” ([34:32])

Timestamps:

• 31:38–38:59: Debate around resignations and CDC direction.

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3. Media Messaging, Memes, and “Safe & Effective” Dogma

Highlights:

• The hosts ridicule persistent post-pandemic memes, focusing on residual public belief that “the unvaccinated endanger the vaccinated.”
• The ever-expanding high-risk groups qualifying for boosters now include “physical inactivity,” to John’s dismay ([28:26]–[29:17]).
• Critique of news framing: ‘restrictions’ that are really just updated recommendations.

Notable Quotes:

• Adam: “Physical activity is now a medical condition.” ([28:41])
• John: “I’m very concerned now because as a podcaster, I’m on my ass seven hours a week...” ([30:13])

Timestamps:

• 28:18–29:17: Booster eligibility ridiculed.
• 30:13–30:25: Sedentary podcasting as risk factor.

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4. Advertising, AI, and Influencer Culture

Highlights:

• Deep dive into how advertising adapts (pharma, food dyes, new mandates for influencer disclosure).
• AI as the new frontier for both industry and government, with skepticism regarding “AI winter,” cost, and inflated profit projections ([95:56]–[101:34]).
• Adam and John lampoon the J.Crew “AI model” kerfuffle and the looming legal/ethical risks of AI for children.

Notable Quotes:

• John: “What will the beautiful people do? They’re cutting out the workers... the workers, the models, the beautiful men at J.Crew!” ([94:21])
• Adam: “This thing is a scam. I mean, it’s great for pattern recognition... but it’s not thinking.” ([99:29])

Timestamps:

• 94:02–94:50: J.Crew AI ad panic.
• 95:56–101:34: AI investment skepticism.

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5. International and Cultural Roundup

Highlights:

• Snapshots of unrest and scandal: Indonesian politicians’ homes raided over cost-of-living protests ([102:09]–[103:29]); Mexican protests over disappearances ([103:32]–[105:01]); famine and war in Sudan passed over by major Western media ([110:24]–[111:20]).
• Generational trauma narratives: Millennials’ “pity party” and perspective on historic hardships ([105:53]–[107:27]).
• Flawed education: UK students struggle with months of the year and basic math ([108:16]–[109:55]).

Quotes:

• Adam: "Everyone goes through incredible trauma. You also saw the rise of the Internet, online porn—come on! A lot of good things happened in your time." ([106:07])

Timestamps:

• 102:09–103:29: Indonesia protests.
• 110:24–111:20: Sudan conflict coverage.

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6. Listener & Community Interactions

Highlights:

• Value for Value model: donations, shout-outs, and the new trend of “prompt jockeys” overtaking real cover art.
• Friendship advice: NPR’s “pathetically” gendered and ritualized suggestions for friendships receive a roasting ([152:54]–[161:37]).
• Adam admits to tracking friends (and pooping) on apps—it’s a modern friendship, “the modern league” ([158:53]–[160:29]).

Quotes:

• John: "[NPR’s advice]... is wishful thinking. These people are pathetic." ([161:37])
• Adam: "At least I know my kid is alive—it’s good." ([160:19])

Timestamps:

• 152:54–161:29: Friendship advice mockery.
• 158:53–160:19: Poop app revelations.

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7. TikTok, Social Media Grievance Machine & Satire

Highlights:

• John and Adam analyze the “self-pity promotion machine” that is social media—negative, self-sad posts drive engagement ([166:40]–[167:46]).
• TikTok satire: “Trans-indigenous” actor bit ridicules performative identity politics ([163:55]–[165:35]).
• Adam warns: watch for advertising campaigns seeded via supposed ‘outraged reactions’ on TikTok ([169:05]–[170:44]).

Notable Quotes:

• John: “The success of social media is to view it as a self-pity promotion machine. This is what gets you likes.” ([166:40])

Timestamps:

• 163:55–165:35: Trans-indigenous satire.
• 166:40–167:11: Self-pity as social media gold.

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Noteworthy and Memorable Moments

• Adam’s “Physical activity is now a medical condition” recurring joke, illustrating the absurdity of broadening booster shot eligibility ([00:00], [28:41]).
• Clip of Bernie Sanders sticking to pharma script; John brays: “Vaccines are safe and effective. So first of all, if she loves saving children so much, abortion shouldn’t be the top medical innovation” ([13:04]–[14:25]).
• Poop map app confessions—Adam reveals he and his daughter keep tabs on each other’s daily business through an app ([158:53], [160:29]).
• TikTok “Trans Indigenous” roleplay lampooning the extremity of identity claims ([163:55]–[165:35]).
• Animated Art Grievances: Ongoing inside joke about “too much orange” in show artwork, and how AI art is taking over real art ([120:00]–[123:09]).

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Select Timestamps & Segments

• 00:00–05:27: Banter on odd Twitter (X) ads, party stories, aging, peptides/low T.
• 07:47–14:25: The anti-Kennedy media campaign, CDC narrative, “safe and effective” soundbites.
• 16:46–19:51: Shifting vaccine justification rhetoric, Dr. Hotez’s statements.
• 28:18–29:17: “Physical inactivity” as high-risk, mocking broadened booster eligibility.
• 31:38–38:59: CDC resignations, “ideology vs. science” debate.
• 94:02–94:50: AI-generated faces panic for models and creatives.
• 102:09–103:29: Indonesia protests, global roundup.
• 152:54–161:29: Mocking NPR’s friendship tips, new app-based social rituals.
• 163:55–165:35: TikTok “Trans Indigenous” satirical performance.
• 166:40–167:46: Social platforms as self-pity engines.
• 170:44–170:48: Satirical take on outrage-marketing via TikTok (Chili's ad).

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Episode Tone & Style

The hosts’ tone remains irreverent, skeptical, and fast-paced, blending insightful deconstruction with running jokes and asides. They relentlessly target sanctimony, groupthink, and media filter bubbles, sparing neither ideological “side.”

Adam’s contrarian, occasionally mischievous warmth complements John’s drier, professorial skepticism. Listener feedback is woven in organically—both as a source for laughs and a pulse on “the value for value” community’s true concerns.

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Conclusion

Episode 1795 is a dense, joke-laden, yet razor-sharp snapshot of U.S. and global culture, political manipulation, and the struggle for narrative supremacy in health and media. From “physical inactivity as a medical condition” to the AI arms race, Adam and John show why they remain the "best podcast in the universe"—not merely for those seeking the news behind the news, but also for their skill in mining humor and clarity from the chaos.

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“Physical inactivity is now a medical condition… and so is listening to this show!”
—Adam Curry ([28:41])

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Physical activity is now a medical condition. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Sunday, August 31, 2025. This is your award winning Kimonation Media assassination episode 1795.

[Adam Curry]

This is no agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Working on a holiday and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where I keep wondering why X or Twitter keeps sending me ads to use butter on I ice cream. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crackpot and buzzkill in the morning. Wait a minute, so you're getting ads to use butter ads? What is the ad for?

[Adam Curry]

If it's an ad, I don't click on it. I refuse to click on it. Stupid. It keeps. It has a little. It's an obvious ad. It keeps cropping up. Oh, here's why you should put butter on ice cream. I'm sure other people have seen this. I'm surprised.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't see any ads on on X.

[Adam Curry]

Are you paying not to get get ads?

[John C. Dvorak]

I got the blue check mark. Just because I got the blue check.

[Adam Curry]

Mark I get ads.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here's what I get on X. All right? So whenever I fire off the bat signal, I send out the tweet and I boost the toot and I slash the X and I whine on the blue cry and then I go to X because Darren always has a cute way of retweeting or reposting whatever we call it. And so I'll repost his repost. And right there is from cromulent corpse a one liner. You make this show my favorite hateless and you insufferable douche. John's great though. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Insufferable douche. That's a great line.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've gotten some amazing messages. This was another one from Jeff. Adam, I've been listening to your show every week for at least 10 years and been donating $15 a month for at least 10 years with autopay. You obviously have my full attention if you're this is a true value for value person. I finally need to give you this feedback. Please stop using terms like bullcrap justice.

[Adam Curry]

I'm the one who does that. That's me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just swear and talk like normal people talk.

[Adam Curry]

It is where we try to avoid.

[John C. Dvorak]

That it is unlikely that young kids are listening to your show and completely.

[Adam Curry]

That's not true. We know for a fact young kids listen to the show. A lot of disease.

[John C. Dvorak]

It completely dulls the tone when you sanitize language in that way and it sounds forced and awkward.

[Adam Curry]

I'm telling you, this guy is friggin nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Every other podcast out there uses colorful language, which is part of the fun of podcasts. John sneaks in an F bomb once in a while and honestly, it's refreshing. I don't even know why I show up to the show. It seems like you're the guy. You're just the guy. Everybody loves you. You're the guy.

[Adam Curry]

You get to a certain age and next thing you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what it is.

[Adam Curry]

You're getting there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I'll be 61 on.

[Adam Curry]

Wednesday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wednesday.

[Adam Curry]

Wednesday, if you need to know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Wednesday. Thank you, thank you. Wednesday. Yes, on Wednesday.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Wednesday you will be 61.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we went to a birthday party yesterday which was actually was quite cool. There's this new wine, there's a new winery, and they have a tasting room called Bully. B U L I there. Now, the guy's a New Yorker, but he, I think he lives in. In Tuscany at least half of the time, maybe full time has a vineyard there, but they're Texas wines, you know, the typical tempranillo, et cetera. And it was a birthday party for the burger heiress. We've talked. Have we talked about the burger heiress?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, I think we talked about it after the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, the burger.

[Adam Curry]

The problem that we discuss about talking about stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, the heiress. She's the heiress to Burger King. Burger King. Yes. She literally grew up in.

[Adam Curry]

I'll jump right in when you need me.

[John C. Dvorak]

She literally grew up in the home of the Whopper. And her dad, I don't think he started it, but he commercialized it. So this same guy who owned the Miami Me Dolphins and I don't know. So anyway, she's very sweet. She and her Cajun husband and she just turned 70. And by the way, her birthday is also on September 3rd, so we have a kinship. And I was like, I'm looking around this party and two things I noticed. One, they had napkins that said Happy 70th Birthday. And I'm like, when I turn 70, there will be no napkins that have the number on it. That's just not okay.

[Adam Curry]

At a certain point was this paper napkin that was printed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, printed paper napkin.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. They can probably buy those somewhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

The other thing was, dude, her friends, like, Susie looks great, but there were some just really old, old crap. I mean, just. I'm like, holy crap, is that going to be us in 10 years? I think somehow we're just going to look better.

[Adam Curry]

I hope peptides.

[John C. Dvorak]

Keep away from low T. I'm going for a T panel. Actually had a whole conversation about it last night at dinner. I was like, okay, okay, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go.

[Adam Curry]

You probably. I mean, Rogan uses the stuff and he's not old enough really. And it's all. You know, it has its benefits. Yeah, well, it's good for sex. It's actually more good for sales.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. What do you mean? What do you mean better for sales?

[Adam Curry]

I had a doctor friend who put me on some tea for a while because he was a nut about it and said, you ought to try this. So I got a prescription. I use it for a while. Then I haven't been able to get it for some time because of the current doctors I have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they don't want to get it.

[Adam Curry]

You shouldn't use anything. Oh boy. But no matter what. But I noticed that if you use it occasionally because there's studies done about race car drivers and how their testosterone increases and as it increases during a race, they also. They get more daring and what it. The main thing that. Which is somewhat dangerous because you can go nuts. But the thing that I noticed explicitly and you is that you get a. The libido increases to such an extent that that's basically all it is. You. And. And once you start to achieve that, you can figure out, oh, well, how do I get to that feeling? You can do without the testosterone, but it increases your ability to do sales. What I'm telling you, it does.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what sales. What sales are you doing on the side that I'm unaware of?

[Adam Curry]

No, this goes way back when I. When I was experimenting with this. This is the time I took you to Fringal and sold you on making me vice president of Evo.

[John C. Dvorak]

You. You were jacked on t. Oh, now I. Well, it worked. It worked.

[Adam Curry]

Totally worked. Smooth as silk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Smooth as silk. Yeah. I took pity on you, old man. What are you talking about? I was just being nice. Like, ah, let's get the guy.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever, whatever technique, whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

He doesn't care.

[Adam Curry]

Just technique.

[John C. Dvorak]

He doesn't care. Well, since we're talking about big pharma. Oh man. The pharmaceutical industrial complex is out in full force. Every single where they can go. They need to let you know that this anti vaxxer, this Kennedy is no good. He's a. He's a nut job. He's an anti vaxxer. He's crazy. He's going to kill your children. And here is the offending, offending statement from RFK Jr. I would say this, that first of all I will confirm that we let go Susan Aries yesterday. I'm not going to talk about personnel issues, but you know, the CDC is an agency that is very troubled for a very long time. And anybody who lives through the COVID pandemic is all of these bizarre recommendations.

[Adam Curry]

That were not science based.

[John C. Dvorak]

All the misinformation understands that the CDC has on its website today among the top 10 medical innovations, greatest medical accomplishments in history was. Abortion is one of the greatest medical accomplishments because it keeps all families. Go to the website, look at it. Fluoridation, giving kids a toxin and vaccines. There's a lot of trouble at CDC and it's going to require getting rid of something over the long term in order for us to change the institutional culture and bring back pride and self esteem and make that agency the stellar agency that it's always been. I'm very confident in the political staff we have down there now that they're going to be able to accomplish that and ensure the competent functionality of that agency. How about changing the website for starters? That might be an idea.

[Adam Curry]

Abortion, you're the boss. Why is the website say all crap?

[John C. Dvorak]

Number one, medical innovation. Abortion, that is. That is ghoulish medical innovation. Gee, by the way, I found. Have you ever played looked at 11 labs? 11 labs.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's why I use for my guys when I use my. When I do voices.

[John C. Dvorak]

So running Bobby the op through the voice isolator, which is typically meant to remove background song music or whatever really enhances his speech. This was much worse. And I ran it through that. I was like wow, this is, this is working. I can understand him much better.

[Adam Curry]

Interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

So anyway, yeah, change the website would be our Curry Dvorak Consulting Group recommendation. But no, no, that, no, no, we have to go and just see what the pharmaceutical industry is doing because they know that their days are probably limited on television advertising. They are flooding the market with influencers, everything.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you have this thesis. I saw you promote it in the, in the email.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wasn't promoting. It was just someone I know.

[Adam Curry]

You're working your woods, which. Wood shopping. You shopping? Woodworking.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was wood shopping.

[Adam Curry]

It was wood shopping.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course, of course. Everybody's an influencer. Are you kidding me? Everything is.

[Adam Curry]

How's an influencer gonna kind of going to promote Ryzelis or some of these crazy drugs that they push?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you watch. You just watch. I mean it's like what's the eczema yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And I look at school. Great. Now, of course they're going to have to pass. You know, they have a law that you can't do these commercials saying you were being paid. So if they, if these are being paid, these influencers are being paid to promote. Promote eczema drugs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Are they going to have to do the disclaimer?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they should.

[Adam Curry]

Well, are they going to have to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me give you an example of an influencer, a very famous influencer, clearly paid. Not like he took a check directly, it came through another avenue and went into a separate bank account. But he can use it for certain things. This is the number one medical influencer out there on the Internet today.

[Adam Curry]

Thanks very much for joining me. Dangerously President Trump and Health and Human Services Secretary Robert Kennedy are wreaking havoc on our already broken and dysfunctional health care system. I love the slogan. It's a great slogan. Make America healthy again. Fantastic. Unfortunately, the Trump administration is doing just the opposite. You don't make America healthy by throwing 15 million people off the health care they have, which is what Trump's big beautiful bill does. If you don't make America healthy by. As a result of these Medicaid cuts, shutting down or creating a decline in services for hundreds of nursing homes, community health centers and hospitals throughout the country.

[John C. Dvorak]

He'S still on script.

[Adam Curry]

But it gets even worse than that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Secretary Kennedy has just fired the head of the CDC, Dr. Susan Monorez, who has been on the job for just a few weeks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dodged the bullet, I'd say.

[Adam Curry]

Her crime. Well, she refused to be a rubber stamp for Kennedy's anti vaccine conspiracy theories. That is her crime.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why she was fired.

[Adam Curry]

How does that work?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the rubber stamp is the key. But wait for it. The influencer part is coming. He was given the line. He's going to pay it off.

[Adam Curry]

In other words, she believes what virtually the entire medical and scientific community believe, and that is that vaccines are an enormously important public health tool which protect.

[John C. Dvorak]

The health and welfare of our children and all Americans.

[Adam Curry]

It is a bit absurd to have to say this in the year 2025, but let me say it. Vaccines are safe and effective. Hit it again. Hit it again, Bernie. Vaccines are safe and effective. Oh, third time. Come on, Bernie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vaccines are safe and effective. So first of all, if she loves saving children so much, I don't think the number one medical innovation should be abortion on her website.

[Adam Curry]

That's saving children for. For a jar of formaldehyde for a rainy day. So.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is this whole thing is very confusing because it's really about the Myrna, the MRNA vaccine, and specifically the COVID vaccine and.

[Adam Curry]

How long. And by the way, for people who didn't know that was Bernie Sanders.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some people didn't know it. Funny enough.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Pretty hard not to catch that voice. But he. This repeating safe and effective over and over again is the big lie.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a huge lie.

[Adam Curry]

It's a huge. Those vaccines were never safe and they were definitely not effective.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he also threw in there that rubber stamp. That's part of the meme. And what else did he throw in there?

[Adam Curry]

Rubber stamp. Anyway. I mean, it is a meme, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know they're gonna use it. So that's, you know, she wouldn't rubber stamp his vaccine. Polic. So the vaccine. Oh, yeah. The other lie was 15 million people gonna lose their healthcare. Not true.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that's. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, and the extrapolation of that lie is all these rural hospitals will have to close. Well, the first would have to be true for the second to be true, and the first one is not true. Yes, some people may have to. If you're on disability, but you can actually do work, or if you're a stay at home mom, you may. There's some stipulations. And the problem is the states have to make up for the difference. Everyone's up in arms. But specifically MRNA, which I think we can say was not 100% safe and was not 100% effective. And Bobby Kennedy has continuously said that, you know, some vaccines are good. Not the ones with thimerosal. Not the, you know, which is mercury. He's against this early administration of it. Certainly hepatitis B to a newborn seems icy.

[Adam Curry]

What's the hepatitis B vaccine?

[John C. Dvorak]

Insane. Seems insane. But now this is almost like, whoa, how did this happen? Because he's focused specifically on mRNA. Now, people, the people who are supposed to be promoting all vaccines are confused. In particular, Dr. Hotez. Listen to what he now says about the safe and effective vaccines.

[Adam Curry]

And instead he's pushing this idea of whole inactivated virus vaccines, which is a much older technology. And hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the technology where you're still using.

[Adam Curry]

No, that is what's called a vaccine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, an actual vaccine, but it's old technology. It's 1.0, man. Haven't you been following the narrative or.

[Adam Curry]

Technology and the reason you went to MRNA or you go to subunit vaccines like. Like what we did with our recombinant protein Covid vaccines?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. I Had to look that up because we know that he's in the vaccine business. Hotez.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Subunit vaccines. I had to look it up. Subunit vaccines are vaccines that use only specific parts subunits of a pathogen such as proteins or poly. Yeah, basically. Here, have some spike protein. But wait, it gets better. To stimulate an immune response rather than the whole pathogen. They are apparently safer than live or inactivated vaccines since they can't cause disease. But they often require adjuvants to boost immunity. Examples include hepatitis B and HPV vaccines. So Hotez is in on all this. And of course, well, you know, it's much better. But mRNA MRNA is the technology. We know it's safe and effective. It saved millions of people's lives. Pay no attention to the VAERS database. And now he's going completely nuts.

[Adam Curry]

There are recombinant protein Covid vaccines is because of the weakness of the whole inactivated virus technology.

[John C. Dvorak]

First of all, you can't rely on.

[Adam Curry]

It because it depends to inactivate the virus you have to grow a lot of the virus either in eggs or in cell lines. And with a new virus and a new pathogen and an emerging pandemic threat.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't know if the virus is.

[Adam Curry]

Going to grow well in the lab or not. There's no way to predict.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's problem number one.

[Adam Curry]

So sometimes even if you want to make a whole inactivated virus vaccine, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

May not have enough virus to inactivate.

[Adam Curry]

So that's problem and we're sometimes facing that now with yellow fever vaccine.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's problem number one.

[Adam Curry]

Problem number two is it produces a lot of side effects. If you remember in 1976, there was a big push to make a whole inactivated virus vaccine against swine flu and it caused high rates of Guillain Barre syndrome. And that's because the whole inactivated virus technology probably has more side effects than just about any other vaccine technology. So why he would pick that is just absolutely makes no sense. I think that's what he was vaccines. He's now basically he just came out against all vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's an anti vaxxer. Oh no. All kinds of side effects. Particularly for yellow fever. The Swine flu vaccine in 76 didn't just give people Guillain Barre. It killed people. People were dying. People were dying.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we had a couple. I knew. I didn't know him personally, but there's family members of certain people that worked at the air pollution district died from that shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So. But so now every vaccine is. Is no safe and effective except mRNA. This is spectacular.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. And that's because this is a clip of the day, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

When I'm done.

[Adam Curry]

Virus technology probably has more side effects than just about any other vaccine technology. So why he would pick that is just absolutely makes no sense. I think what he was thinking maybe is since, you know, this whole wellness and influencer push coming out of the Maha movement, make America healthy again. Bob, about natural immunity and this and this kind of stuff. And so he thinks it'll close more closely resemble natural immunity. It doesn't. It causes severe side effects. So pretty much everything. Every statement coming out of HHS about MRNA vaccines is incorrect. And it puts the American people under great threat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, from vaccines.

[Adam Curry]

Holy macro, this guy is. Doesn't he know what he's taught? Does he have a clue what he just said?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's no way he could have a clue. This is just baffling.

[Adam Curry]

He slammed the entire vaccine industry since the late 1700s. Yes, they're all no good except MRNA, which we know for a fact is no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Safe and effective, baby. Safe and effective.

[Adam Curry]

Bill Maher had some natural. Some doctor from, I don't know, Stanford or somebody on who's a health nut. And he had. And Mar. All of a sudden, I don't have the clip. I never thought to clip it, but Mar goes on about MRNA and how important it is. And I don't know who got to him or got him to bring this up, but this reminds me of the. This is a deep state meme. We had a clip that I had developed from Malone, the guy who always likes to credit himself with partially inventing that technology, who said in the clip that it was the CIA that determined that we need a quick response in case of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have it. You want to hear?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Yeah, let's play that clip. All these circumventing of normal procedures and rules, that's happening because largely our intelligence community is pushing that through the administrative state structure. And why are they doing it? I think if, if we, if we just back up for a minute and say, okay, let's try to give them the benefit of the doubt for a moment. Okay, okay. Okay. What I think they are believing is that they have to push this. They have to get acceptance for this technology because there are no alternatives. And the threat is so severe, in their opinion, in their spooky world, the threat is so severe that something has to exist. And this is the something they've latched onto. Now, I'm saying this not to defend them. I'm saying this to try to Help you to understand what you've been subjected to.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. Found the clip in two seconds.

[Adam Curry]

And that was. He's talking about the MRNA vaccine as a technology to prevent germ warfare, to develop a product quickly because that's what it does. It's like an overnight sensation instead of having to grow all these bacteria or viruses in a lab to get the vaccine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Overnight sensation. This MRNA is the Taylor Swift of the medical industry.

[Adam Curry]

It's an overnight sensation. And so they think that this is the solution to the potential for germ warfare, which is a pipe dream.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Doesn't work.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

They've latched onto it. The competition was the adenovirus technology which was used for Zika and a couple of other things. And that was also a quick fix. You could do it quickly, but not as quick as this. And mRNA. Somehow they've convinced themselves that this is the way to go. And that's why the CIA was invested in Moderna and Pfizer, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pfizer or Biontech.

[Adam Curry]

Biontech. Biontech. So this is a. The idea. So the. So that's why I think Bill Maher comes out and he goes on about how important this is. I don't know, like I said, who got to him but. And the other guy couldn't argue about it. And it's just they. We're stuck with this. We're going to be stuck and they're going to bring up more MRNA to try to. They're going to try to prove it works again. They're going to be a second go round. It's not going to necessarily be with.

[John C. Dvorak]

It won't be Covid. It'll be something else.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it'll be. They'll just say we got a flu solution. You know, we have a thing for something. It's going to be for something or other. And they're going to. It's not going to be quite as drastic as COVID 19.

[John C. Dvorak]

The sad thing is that the memes that were spread during COVID still hold true today. People. And I'm just going to tell. Because it's in the clip. I just got to tell you that people who are vaccinated, people who are all in on the MRNA in this case about COVID And remember, the meme is you won't have access to it. Well, yeah, you will have access to. Your insurance may not cover it. Your pharmacy may not. May require a doctor's note. It's a recommendation. It's off the recommended list for most people. But people who have been Brainwashed, still believe that if you get the vaccine but someone else doesn't, you're in danger. This is the crazy part about it, and that's what we were told for over almost three years. But you may get the vaccine. You're a good doobie. But if that person over there, that seething, infected human resource doesn't get it, you're going to die. And of course, you know, grandma will never sit at the table anymore, et cetera. This is from Seattle. As new restrictions on who can now get updated COVID19 vaccinations are being rolled out, this by itself is a lie. There's not restrictions on who can get it. Its restrictions on who. It's. It's not recommended for most. And by.

[Adam Curry]

Not a restriction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's not a restriction.

[Adam Curry]

It's a. There's a better word. I can't think of it right off the top of my head, but it's a better word.

[John C. Dvorak]

Recommendation.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Recommendation would work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Here we go. As new restrictions on who can now get updated COVID19 vaccinations are being rolled out, health care providers are working to determine how this will be handled as.

[Adam Curry]

People look to get their booster shots. I don't agree with it at all. Seniors like Linda Cuffeli are still able to get the shot, but she still.

[John C. Dvorak]

Has concerns being a senior.

[Adam Curry]

I can get the shot, but for those people who can't get it, then I'm affected because I'm exposed.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. This is unbelievable.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, that's unbelievable. You should get another clip of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm taking another clip of the day. Here we go, everybody. Whoa.

[Adam Curry]

Clip of the day, because this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out of the gate. Well, but it's. Unfortunately, this lie, which clearly is still firmly embedded in people's minds who do not even understand how vaccines. Vaccines are supposed to work. This has divided families, friends, neighbors. This very lie. Well, you know, I got it, but my neighbor didn't. You can't come in my house. But you're. You're. Aren't you protected by the vaccine? Well, we all know the answer is no. So we continue being a senior.

[Adam Curry]

I can get the shot, but for those people who can't get it, then I'm affected because I'm exposed. So.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's, you know, again, we have grandchildren. You know, we just want to make.

[Adam Curry]

Sure that everybody's safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're gonna get. Gonna kill my grandchildren. To get the updated COVID 19 vaccine, children and younger adults Must have at least one high risk condition. But doctors say good news. Hold on. Good news. Everybody pay attention. Most people still might qualify.

[Adam Curry]

Asthma, physical inactivity, type 2 diabetes, obesity. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is great.

[Adam Curry]

Asthma, asthma, physical activity.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see.

[Adam Curry]

That's. That's a condition.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen. Hold on, let's listen. Say most people still might qualify.

[Adam Curry]

Asthma, physical inactivity.

[John C. Dvorak]

Physical. Yeah, he says physical.

[Adam Curry]

Physical activity is now a medical condition. Asthma, physical inactivity, type 2 diabetes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he's saying inactivity, which also is not a medical condition, but all right, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Asthma, physical inactivity, type 2 diabetes, obesity. The list is actually quite long. And so a significant portion. Most estimates suggest a majority of Americans meet one of those criteria.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Did you sit down today? Have you sat on your ass for an hour? Oh, that's physical inactivity. You're qualified.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, because I pay attention to my apple watch circles. When the circle's not full, I gotta stand up. When my watch tells me to stand up, I stand up. I. I'm good. I'm healthy.

[Adam Curry]

And so there is still the availability of. Booster, booster, booster, booster, booster.

[John C. Dvorak]

I couldn't help.

[Adam Curry]

As well as this decision can be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Made with Beck, he went so nuts on that booster, I just had to repeat it.

[Adam Curry]

And so there is still the availability.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of Booster, booster, booster, booster, booster.

[Adam Curry]

As well as this decision can be made with one's healthcare provider.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it could be trickier to get a COVID vaccine at the pharmacy.

[Adam Curry]

I think some of the more challenging aspects of it are going to be around just sort of like walking up.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the pharmacist, someone you don't have.

[Adam Curry]

A treating relationship with, and then being like, knowing that they're gonna get reimbursed for giving you the vaccine.

[John C. Dvorak]

That could be a little bit more.

[Adam Curry]

In flux as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm very concerned now because as a podcaster, I'm on my ass seven hours a week.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, you're physically bent over.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, how about podcast listeners?

[Adam Curry]

The worst.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's just horrible. Oh, my goodness. So obviously we had to bring the. We had to bring out the pharmaceutical industry into the shows. This is all the Sunday shows. So this is fresh off the press. ABC this week, Martha, with Dr. Demente. Or is it Demetri? I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

I'm joined now by Dr. Demetri Daskalakis, who stepped down this week from his position leading the CDC's National center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you for joining this morning, Dr. You, by the way, if these guys are all about the fight, why do they step down? Why don't they stay in it? Don't step down. I'm quitting out of resistance. If you really mean it, I agree with you. Wouldn't you stay and fight?

[Adam Curry]

You're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'd have more respect for him. Like, okay, this guy really believes what he's thinking. Let's hear about it. No, I'm stepping down. I'm stepping away from this. I won't work for these heathens who is.

[Adam Curry]

Have been at the CDC for five years. About seven months. Five years. Big deal. And your resignation podcast has gone 18 years. He's quitting after five.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Really?

[Adam Curry]

Loser. That the CDC is generating policies that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do not reflect scientific reality and are.

[Adam Curry]

Designed to hurt rather than improve the public's health. Oh, hold on. Leading question, but they're actually. Kennedy is designed to hurt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

He's actually the devil.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's like, ha, ha. I'm Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

[Adam Curry]

Heal to Kill your children is generating policies that do not reflect scientific reality.

[John C. Dvorak]

And are designed to hurt design rather than improve the public's health. That. That's actionable. As far as I'm concerned. That's an actionable statement. You can't say that. Can't just say he's designing this to hurt people. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know how much liability there is when it comes to a public figure like that. With a. With a. That comment is borderline. You might. It's possible if you had a good lawyer.

[John C. Dvorak]

What are you talking about?

[Adam Curry]

Specifically?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Dr. Demento, come on in.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to say. Well, first, thank you for having me on, Martha. And I'll say that we're seeing the tip of the iceberg. So right now, I think probably the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Most prominent demonstration of that is. Is what Secretary Kennedy did with changing.

[Adam Curry]

The childhood schedule for COVID 19.

[John C. Dvorak]

In that we were directed that only.

[Adam Curry]

Children with underlying conditions would be the ones that should qualify for vaccination. That's not what the data shows. 6 month old to 2 year old. Their underlying condition is youth. 53% of those children hospitalized last season had no underlying conditions. The data say that in that age range, you should be vaccinating your child. I understand that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not everybody does it, but they have limited access.

[Adam Curry]

By narrowing that recommendation, insurance may not cover it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, may not.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, 53%. And what was the total?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, 200. I think it's 200. It comes up later, though he does.

[Adam Curry]

Bring an actual number in instead of 50%. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

200 total. There is something that is going kind of unreported amidst this whole fracas. And you say designed to hurt. The policies are. No, you said designed to hurt. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's a good switcheroo. Good catch, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what happened? The control room went. Blame it on him. Blame it on him. We can't. We don't want the lawsuit.

[Adam Curry]

We've already been sued and we already lost.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blame it on Demento. And you say designed to hurt. The policies are designed to hurt the public's health. You saying they are deliberately, purposely, knowingly hurting public health? I mean, from my vantage point as.

[Adam Curry]

A doctor who's taken the Hippocratic oath, I only see harm coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

I may be wrong, but. Oh, he's so smart. Yeah. Based on what I'm seeing, based on.

[Adam Curry]

What I've heard, with the new members of the Advisory Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices, or acip, they're really moving in.

[John C. Dvorak]

An ideologic direction where they want to.

[Adam Curry]

See the undoing of vaccination.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the ideology? What is the ideology?

[Adam Curry]

Did he say ideology?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

They're really moving in an ideologic direction where they want to see the undoing of vaccination.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that an ideology?

[Adam Curry]

I think you could see it as such if you were him.

[John C. Dvorak]

He could be wrong.

[Adam Curry]

They do want to see the undoing of MRNA vaccination. They have a very specific target on Covid. I'm sorry, they really are sticking to this MRNA thing. This goes back again to the Malone and the intelligence community. They cannot. They really. They're true believers at this regard, at this point. True believers.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the AI of the medical industry and talk about.

[Adam Curry]

And that's where the ideology comes in. This is an ideological position.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So they project. The way you always like to say in the Dutch term is that they're seeing it. They're seeing the other side as being the same way to see the undoing of MRNA vaccination. They have a very specific target on Covid, but I do fear that they have other things that they are going to be working on. Hepatitis B vaccine is on the agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

For the meeting in September.

[Adam Curry]

I predict that what they're going to do is try to change the birth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dose of hepatitis B vaccine to zero so that kids don't get it when they're born. So if you have a mother who.

[Adam Curry]

Is well connected to care, you know, her hepatitis B status, that may not matter very much.

[John C. Dvorak]

But if you have a mother who's.

[Adam Curry]

Not gone to prenatal care. Who comes in to deliver? We have one bite at that apple. So that child gets that important hepatitis B vaccine. Why does it matter?

[John C. Dvorak]

Kids who have hepatitis B, they get liver scarring.

[Adam Curry]

It's called cirrhosis later in life or.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'S a really common cause of liver cancer. So these. These kids are boozing it up up when they're born. That's how they get liver cirrhosis. I find this hard to believe. What is hepatitis B?

[Adam Curry]

How do you.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's contracted.

[Adam Curry]

It's a blood disease. I mean, you get it from blood.

[John C. Dvorak]

Needles.

[Adam Curry]

Needles would be one way. Look it up. You have your machine there?

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

Ask the girl about how you get.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hepatitis B. I'm going to ask the girl. Remember, her name is Error. So tell me, how do you get hepatitis B? Hepatitis B spreads through blood, semen or other bodily fluids. John, you might want to be more careful with your habits.

[Adam Curry]

Sharing needles or unprotected salmon ways. Also from mother to child during birth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or contaminated medical equipment.

[Adam Curry]

Stay safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unlike clueless John. She's going crazy.

[Adam Curry]

Why you put that in there, Clueless John?

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't do that. She'd just gone. No nuts. This is. This is that. There you go. AI. It's the best thing since sliced bread. I don't know what it's doing. There you go. Last clip. You made the decision to leave, saying.

[Adam Curry]

There is not a path for doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good for public health at the cdc. So what effect will this have on the cdc?

[Adam Curry]

All these resignations, Your resignation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you worried about what you're leaving.

[Adam Curry]

Behind and that others may follow you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. Stay and fight.

[Adam Curry]

Of course I'm worried. I've been worried for months. I mean, I think if you've read my resignation letter. I did not write that resignation letter in 15 minutes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I had Chad GPT do it for me in 15 seconds.

[Adam Curry]

I have been ready to do this. When I felt that I hit the line and I hit the line when both. I didn't think that we were going to be able to present science in a way free of ideology, free that the firewall between science and ideology has completely broken down.

[John C. Dvorak]

And not having a scientific leader at CDC meant that we wouldn't be able to have the necessary diplomacy in connection.

[Adam Curry]

With HHS to be able to really.

[John C. Dvorak]

Execute on good public health.

[Adam Curry]

Both of those things mean that I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can'T do my job and that my scientists can't do their job. When that happens, that's the beginning of harm. And that's the end of what I.

[Adam Curry]

Can do as a physician. Who said that first I would do no harm. Yeah, I couldn't be any more gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know where you come up with that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, just to hear him. It's just. He's gay. The guy's super gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. Well, I, I have. I mean, they didn't stop on abc. This is all abc, by the way. ABC for some reason just went to the mat. And you're right, they just settled the lawsuit with, with the President. They should be careful what they're doing here.

[Adam Curry]

So, you know, I was thinking about this earlier because I was looking at CBS this Morning. I was trying to figure. I was. When I. Before the show, you're three hours, two hours ahead of me. But when I get up before the show, I always check some news feed right away to make sure, you know, that World War III didn't start so.

[John C. Dvorak]

That your clips are relevant.

[Adam Curry]

I can adjust my thinking, but I was watching the cbs. I realized they're kind of gone off the deep end. And cbs, I think, you know, we always call it the CIA broadcasting system. I think they went off the rails and I think it's the CIA that pulled the plug on them. Because. Because if you think about it, Skydance is run by Larry Ellison's son. And Oracle, the corporation has always been tightly associated with, with the agency. So they're. So the agency is wresting control back from CBS because the guys have gone so lib that, you know, they're not messaging correctly. They're losing their audiences. They have, you know, bad people working there and they're gonna just clean house once the Skydance guys take over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's. That seems logical. Here's another doctor. This is. Who is this doctor? This doctor is Dr. Richard Bessert. Besser. Sorry, Besser. So kids are gonna die no matter what you think Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Is a kitty killer.

[Adam Curry]

He's a murderer.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a kitty killer.

[Adam Curry]

I'm joined now by former acting CDC director, Dr. Richard Besser, now president and.

[John C. Dvorak]

CEO of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

[Adam Curry]

Whoa, my brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would you like to remind us about the Robert Wood Johnson.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I can't remember all the details, but it's bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Dr. Besser, always good to see you. President Trump has fired a lot of.

[Adam Curry]

People since he took office again. Many others in the CDC have quit. Now, what real difference will this make?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, dead kids on the street. You know, Martha, I think the difference is going to be profound. The CDC is an absolutely critical piece of the protection for Americans from any.

[Adam Curry]

Public health health threat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now with the director being removed, senior leadership leaving. I have great fears for what will happen to this country the next time we face a public health emergency, whether it's a massive earthquake, a new infectious agent, or unfortunately, the next pandemic.

[Adam Curry]

And we've been talking about the COVID recommendations. What are the practical considerations? How serious is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think people say it's not 2020. So do I really need to get the booster of the vaccine? Yeah, you know, it is in 2020. But, you know, I'm a pediatrician. I practice pediatrics for more than 30 years.

[Adam Curry]

30 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know, we are still seeing.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not my bonuses, 200 children, all that money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, here is with the number 2020. But, you know, I'm a pediatrician. I practice pediatrics for more than 30 years. And you know, we are still seeing 200 children each year die from COVID And the vast majority of those children are unvaccinated. So there are vaccinated children dying from COVID What happened to safe and effective? What's the vast majority of the 200?

[Adam Curry]

And what's the. What is that percentage?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. Now we don't get a percentage from them, but apparently kids are dying after being protected by the COVID vaccine. Something is wrong here. Still seeing 200 children each year die from COVID and the vast majority of those children are unvaccinated. So my recommendation is that, you know, stop listening to the politicians, talk to your doctor about what's right for you. You know, there are individuals who are at greater risk.

[Adam Curry]

Risk.

[John C. Dvorak]

But there are also people who live.

[Adam Curry]

With those who are at greater risk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Live with elderly people, live with people with cancer. For those individuals, getting a COVID vaccine is really important. Unfortunately, with the recommendations coming out of the department, many people may have to pay for this out of pocket. And a lot of people can't afford to do that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

The CDC is not a department. I might point out the CDC is kind of a weird beast altogether. Other sitting there in Atlanta, we've got a whole nother extra nonprofit fund. RFK Jr should explain to the American people how that operation actually operates.

[Adam Curry]

No one's going to do that. Under Richard. Under. I'm looking at a citation here. Under Richard Besant's leadership, the foundation prioritized health equity.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we all die. That's the idea. That's equitable. Everybody dies. Everybody dies. All right, two more clips from this jamoke. Because of what you're seeing at the cdc. Who should people take advice from now?

[Adam Curry]

The CDC still.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa. What kind of question? Let me think. How would I answer that? No, you can't listen to the cdc. Listen to the doctors. Trust the science. Well, for personal health information, I think you need to talk to your doctor, your nurse, your pharmacist. You know, I worry, though, about the nation as a whole. You know, I served as the acting director of the CDC at the start of the Obama administration. And the reason I was given that job was that I had run emergency preparedness at the agency for four years. They wanted to make sure. What agency? First he says department, then he says agency. The CDC is not an agent. Is he talking about the cdc?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not an agency.

[Adam Curry]

Could it be defined as an agency?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's take a. Ask your friend.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. Is the CDC considered an agency of the government? No, John darling, the District of Columbia isn't considered an agency of the government. It's a federal district with its own local government.

[Adam Curry]

She thinks it's DC Even.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not even going to ask her.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you're asking again. But that says the Centers for Disease Control. Be more specific.

[John C. Dvorak]

You want to ask her?

[Adam Curry]

I'm not asking nothing because she's condemning me. You've got some code you put in there so that every time she answers a question, it's got something to do with me. Nice try.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is the Centers for Disease Control considered an agency? Yes. The CDC is a federal agency, John. Unlike you, who's just a federal pain. Part of the U.S. department of Health.

[Adam Curry]

And Human Services, my brilliant love.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anything else, handsome? She's gotten all. She's got an old giddy on.

[Adam Curry]

You got that part right.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's gotten all giddy on you.

[Adam Curry]

I'd like.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd like insulting error better anyway. Okay, so I guess I thought it was. Well, we'll have to look into that. We have looked into it, but the CDC is not your typical agency. It's also located in Atlanta, which should tell you something. It's not in D.C. was that I had run emergency preparedness at the agency for four years. They wanted to make sure someone was in that seat in the event there was a public health emergency. And there was. There was the H1N1 swine flu pandemic we now have as an acting director, someone with absolutely no public health experience, and that puts us all at incredible risk.

[Adam Curry]

And Dr. Besser, I want to ask.

[John C. Dvorak]

You one thing about mandates. It's one of the things that Secretary Kennedy said this week and touted progress that he's made.

[Adam Curry]

He said he ended the mandates.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why do you think mandates are important? Well, you know, when I think about mandates, I think about children going to school. I think about young parents who are sending their children to school and want to know that their children are safe. And the way children are safe from vaccine preventable diseases is by getting vaccinated themselves. But no vaccine is 100%. And so you count on the other children in that classroom being vaccinated. I think with this secretary, we are on a path to it being largely parental choice. And that is going to put at.

[Adam Curry]

Risk those people who.

[John C. Dvorak]

For whom the vaccine didn't work and children who may have medical conditions where they can't get vaccinated. That is a major step backwards for public health. This is so interesting. It's like, first of all, if you're vaccinated, you still can get killed by an unvaccinated, then parental choice, which is clearly very bad. And then it's like, well, some kids can't get vaccinated and other kids who aren't vaccinated will kill the other kids. Meanwhile, we got actual kids killing kids with guns everywhere who are hyped up on other pharmaceutical nonsense. I know there has been concern from public health officials like you about Kennedy, given his history of unsubstantiated claims about the link between vaccines. Unsubscribe, unsubstantiated claims, I tell you.

[Adam Curry]

And autism.

[John C. Dvorak]

He talked about researching the causes of autism this week with President Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Let's listen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

The autism is such a tremendous horror show. How are you doing on that?

[John C. Dvorak]

We are doing very well. We will have announcements, as promised in September. We're finding interventions, certain interventions now that are clearly almost certainly causing autism. Again, there's no scientific support for a link between autism and vaccines. But are you concerned about what he might announce? He didn't actually even say that. She just presumed that's what he's going to say. He could say it's microplastics for all we know, but she's just presuming that's what's going to happen. I'm very concerned. You know, when he was was being confirmed to be secretary, one of the things he said is don't listen to him for scientific advice. He's not a scientist, but since he has become secretary, he very frequently is making scientific proclamations that have absolutely no basis. So I'm worried as to what he'll say. There's incredible Research going on to try and understand the many causes of autism and how to provide the best services for people who are on the autism spectrum. I don't see this as a secretary who's going to follow the science. He has been following ideology. Ideology from day one. Ideology. There it is again. Ideology. What is. What is his ideology?

[Adam Curry]

You want to know what is this ideology?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she's going to ask it. Keep playing. She'll ask.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that was the last clip. Let me ask. Error. Error. What is the ideology behind Robert F. Kennedy Jr's policies?

[Adam Curry]

Intuitionism and skepticism.

[John C. Dvorak]

Zionist shill Adam. Blending environmentalism with distrust in big institutions like vaccines and big pharma.

[Adam Curry]

Think natural foods.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anti establishment vibes and conspiracy leaning health policies. She called me a Zionist shill. What's up with that?

[Adam Curry]

Well, everybody knows that.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's just lashing out. Zionist shill Adam sounds. He's gone crazy. This thing is. That's grok. That thing is no good anyway, so there you go. I don't know if you had anything else in this department, but I have.

[Adam Curry]

Nothing in this department. I let you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. By the way, Ozempic side effects may have caused a granny to stab her family members in Australia. So that's just a slight side effect. Everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, stabbing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stabbing. Stabbed her daughter and her grandson.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was the Ozempic. Sure.

[Adam Curry]

This has not been documented. This is Bulgar. This is an excuse for stabbing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, probably.

[Adam Curry]

Probably. She's a murderer. The woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, because they didn't die. They were. Okay. She's not a murderer. All right, I'm going to give you some kudos. Some kudos.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you. I'll take them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. And let's move on to the next.

[Adam Curry]

What are my kudos for?

[John C. Dvorak]

You want to know what the kudos are for regarding the shooting in New.

[Adam Curry]

York.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which the media played off as against the NFL for the guy's brain injury. What did you say?

[Adam Curry]

It was Blackstone. They had the. The guys from Las Vegas. Blackstone is the number one. Their number one target area for buying up houses and doing real estate deals is Las Vegas. And he killed the head of Blackstone's real estate division, which probably has something to do with this Las Vegas thing. And I think he lost his house or something happened. They didn't want to cover it. They wanted to cover it up because they don't want New York City to be filled with a bunch of people shooting the CEOs in the big buildings. It's not going to be any good for the. For the city.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Even though they don't deconstruct it the way you did, the end result is kind of the same. Federal prosecutors say Luigi Mangione may have influenced last month's mass shooting at an office building in Midtown.

[Adam Curry]

In a new court filing, prosecutors say by carrying out the execution style murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, Mangione, quote, hoped to normalize the use of violence.

[John C. Dvorak]

And joining us now to break it down is ABC's Erin Katerski. Erin, let's start.

[Adam Curry]

What exactly are federal prosecutors arguing in this new filing? Well, they're explaining a little bit more about why they want to pursue the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Death penalty for Luigi Mangione on federal.

[Adam Curry]

Charges to which he's pleaded not guilty. And Brittney, they say one of the reasons is because he's a future danger. And you say to yourself, how is Luigi Mangione in custody, charged with murdering Brian Thompson going to be a danger to anyone? And prosecutors say it's his ability to inspire. And they. They take the words delay, deny, depose written on the bullets.

[John C. Dvorak]

They take some of the writings that.

[Adam Curry]

Police say were seized from him after.

[John C. Dvorak]

His arrest, where they believe Mangione not only wanted to kill Brian Thompson, but.

[Adam Curry]

Also make a larger point. And that is to use. To encourage others to use violence instead of dialogue, to make some sort of political point, dialogue or objective. Was there anything in the NFL headquarters shooting in Midtown that related to Mangione? Not specifically, but federal prosecutors pointed to it in this most recent court filing.

[John C. Dvorak]

To say, just look at Shane Tamura.

[Adam Curry]

And what he did. He also left writings behind indicating that he had a grievance against an entity. In this case, not health care, but the NFL, allegedly for causing traumatic brain injury. And instead of trying to work it out somehow, what did he do? Prosecutors noted he used violence, marching into 345 Park Avenue with an assault style rifle. This is real. And shooting the head of Blackstone, I think. Come on, where's the NFL in this? And where's that? Note this bull crap. They made all that part up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This is the. By the way, the assault style rifle. Love that.

[Adam Curry]

Soul style.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But isn't this the definition of. Of what most of these people go through, like going postal? You know, someone was mad about his job at the post office. This is what it's called.

[Adam Curry]

Absolutely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Although. How many times did it only really happen? Once or twice, I think. How many times?

[Adam Curry]

Well, the postal thing I think happened about a half dozen times or maybe a dozen. That was good. That went on for a long time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, There you go. Because one guy did it, everyone else did it. So now they want to kill Mangione because of. He might inspire people.

[Adam Curry]

People.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is kind of. Kind of odd.

[Adam Curry]

But just put him in maximum security prison. He's not going to inspire anybody from there.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. You have to thwart people by saying, you will die.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know about that working. It makes him a martyr. I think it's dangerous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so back to your premise. The whole report is made up in bullcrap. Because really what it's about is this kind of Luigi vigilantism. Him.

[Adam Curry]

I think the Zephyr just went by. No. Late.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Something went by. Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're looking for the clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I am.

[Adam Curry]

I like it. It depends on the number of no's you say where you're looking for the clip. That's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't have it. Is this it? No, no, we don't have it.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's. Listen to that horn.

[John C. Dvorak]

There goes it's. Listen to that horn. But I thought we had a Zephyr thing. Was it Foamer? That's what it was. Foamer. Oh, goodness gracious. So let's try it again. Oh, my God. Listen to that horn. Did you see how many cars the Zephyr had? And why is it going by on Sunday? It's not supposed to go by at this time.

[Adam Curry]

No, they. They go. That says seven days a week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it's late. It's really late. What happens?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. Unfortunately, I couldn't count the cars because there's a big hot. They put up a big apartment building near the tracks. It muffles the sound, but it doesn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have blocked your view of the tracks.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Most people, by the way, would be super happy about this. Oh, finally. I don't hear that. That blasted train every single night. John is disappointed. I can't hear the train.

[Adam Curry]

So since we're talking about Kennedy a little bit in this health situation, I have a couple of clips on food dyes. Yes. And I thought this was an interesting. This was from npr and this was a good counter argument for the food dyes. Why is everybody else in the world. They've taken these artificial flashy dyes out of the cereals, but they have a. Our people have a real good excuse. It's the dumb public. Now they're blaming the dumb public for this whole thing. Thought was a fascinating series of clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

The story that always comes up is about the cereal tricks.

[Adam Curry]

This morning, a big announcement from a cereal giant. Silly rabbit tricks are for kids.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ten years ago, General Mills made a splash saying it would remove artificial dyes from cereal. And it released tricks colored naturally with fruits and vegetables. And many shoppers hated it. They complained on social media and the news that the new tricks looked sad and boring. And General Mills capitulated. They actually put the food dyes, the synthetic dyes, back into the trick cereal formula. Thomas Galligan is with the center for Science in the Public Interest. It advocates against synthetic dyes over health concerns, particularly in children. And this is really a problem because General Mills framed this as a consumer demand issue. This is what consumers want, and it set the tone. So when Kellogg later dyed Fruit Loops with spices and juices, it was for Canada, but not the US US M&M's maker Mars phased out artificial colors in Europe, but not the U.S. the All American Kraft Mac and Cheese removed chemical dyes stealthily. It's still neon yellow, but naturally. Boasting in the ads, moms didn't notice.

[Adam Curry]

Kids didn't notice, neither did dogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kellogg and Mars would say Americans really love bright colors. And data suggest people think food tastes.

[Adam Curry]

Better if it's brightly colored.

[John C. Dvorak]

Period. End of story. Marion Nestle is a public health nutritionist who's tracked research on food dice.

[Adam Curry]

Brighter colors are perceived as tasting better whether the taste changes or not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, well, that's true. Just walk through any American supermarket. It's like walking through a carnival.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Colors, colored, overloading color.

[Adam Curry]

Color.

[John C. Dvorak]

It used to be we are happy with a toy inside. It was a, A spinning top made.

[Adam Curry]

Of plastic top in the Cracker Jacks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not even the Cracker Jacks, but you had it. I think you had it in Corn Flakes, Rice Krispies. And I remember they had.

[Adam Curry]

They used to put toys in all kinds of foods and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And in fact, in the. You went back far enough and then this is going way back. They used to put towels in a box of detergent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, I remember that. Sure.

[Adam Curry]

So you buy a box of detergent, you get a free towel.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I also remember the. I forget what product it was, but my mom always bought it and I said, mom, buy that. It was like some cleaning product. And it came with a, with a sponge, but the sponge was like the size of a postage stamp. And the minute you added water to. Expanded all the way to.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they had one of those compressed sp.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, yeah, mom, buy one of those. It was a great marketing tool. But yes, yeah, of course. Do they still put. I. I think they probably stopped putting the toys in because it would go into cereal and kids would try to eat the toy because kids are dumb generally. Yeah. But yes, I think this is well known. And just look at all of the fake meat and all that stuff that they're putting together. It all has all kinds of coloring and taste added and. And they're not even talking about the nutritional value of this junk. I remember my dad used to say, you're eating cardboard. You would always say that you're eating cardboard.

[Adam Curry]

I think my parents said cardboard, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cardboard. I'm a boomer.

[Adam Curry]

Boomer. It tastes a lot like cardboard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, here's the second version of the second clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

But is it our nature or is it marketing? Think about your force of habit, especially for childhood snacks. Of course, children tend to love brighter colors, so they get advertised to wow. Blue frill. And when they grow up, it's hard to let go of that memory. Food dying goes back centuries. Think dairy farmers adding spices to make cheese look more yellow. Food historian AI Hisano says railroads made an impact. When Florida farmers had to compete with California farmers. They started dying their oranges to be more orange. Along came processed foods. When butter had to compete with margarine, it became a richer yellow over time, Hisano says colorful advertising rising. And the modern supermarket trained us what to expect, like, say, strawberry candies or strawberry drinks. They don't look like a real strawberry color, but people we kind of learn to understand and learn to recognize even science fictiony flavors and colors like blue raspberry. Now we're at a new turning point. The Trump administration's health secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Is pushing companies to get rid of synthetic dyes, and major brands are agreeing. Even M&MS. Is once again willing to try a naturally colored version. The irony is that without artificial color, many snacks and cereals look well. Obviously, processed and natural dyes can be finicky.

[Adam Curry]

Color has been a challenge for us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nick Scheidler leads product development at Walmart's Sam's club, which in 2022 pledged that by the end of this year it would remove dozens of ingredients from its private brand member's mark. That includes high fructose corn syrup, some preservatives, and artific artificial dyes. The latter proved the trickiest. Well, at least the conversations out there. I guess that's kind of good. People are talking about it. Shouldn't give your kids this crap at all in the morning. What'd you feed your kids when they were young?

[Adam Curry]

Froot Loops?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I doubt it.

[Adam Curry]

Oatmeal Exactly. Eggs. How about bacon? And eggs is always a winner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stack of pancakes.

[Adam Curry]

Pancakes is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

French toast.

[Adam Curry]

French toast. Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

With bacon?

[Adam Curry]

No, usually not. But with maple syrup. The real deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

The real deal. Yeah, the real deal gets them all jacked up. Ready for school? I'm ready, dad.

[Adam Curry]

Drive me this morning. Maple syrup's actually pretty sweet. It's sweeter than you'd think.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. I know it is.

[Adam Curry]

Here is the part three. Yeah. So some of the things we saw were the colors actually were muted and they got. Got continuously lighter over time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some replacements are tried and true. Turmeric makes things yellow, beets, red. A seed called annatto orange and blue can come from spirulina, which is an algae. But then you add these savory dyes to sweets, and you've got to find a way to mask their flavors.

[Adam Curry]

In some cases, too, it wasn't holding the color as long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scheidler says the final frontiers for his team. One is sports drinks in colors to rival Gatorade. The other is icing for cupcakes and cookies. Bright like crepe. And I kept wondering, why bother? Why can't cupcakes just be less vivid? Scheidler says Sam's Club kept asking its shoppers about this.

[Adam Curry]

The visual appearance is still something very.

[John C. Dvorak]

Important that they've told us. Nature or nurture? Shoppers said they did not want a gray murky soda or a dusty looking sweet treat. NPR News. Thank you, Lieutenant.

[Adam Curry]

Who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Signing off.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry, what?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I was just making fun of her name.

[Adam Curry]

So the. So I don't see why anyone's buying cupcakes from the Sam's Club Bakery, but okay. And by the way, one of the worst bakeries is. Is Whole Foods.

[John C. Dvorak]

Man, I haven't been to a Whole Foods in years. We don't have one out here, so I haven't been.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you got lucky.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we don't really eat any baked goods. We don't eat any sweets. I can't have them in the house. Tina's an addict.

[Adam Curry]

She what?

[John C. Dvorak]

She's an addict. If I bring something like M and M's, that bag will be gone in 30 minutes.

[Adam Curry]

Well, 30 minutes, that's a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like one of those huge bags. It's not like a little bag, like one of those big bags. There's nothing sweet in our house. No, she's. She says it herself. She's keeping away.

[Adam Curry]

I thought she was sweet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's so nice of you to say. Ready for a pivot?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, pivot, pivot.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll pivot to the tariffs because, well.

[Adam Curry]

I do have a tariffs clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, let me, let me set this up first.

[Adam Curry]

I have a Scott Simon clip with the tariffs. That might be the way to start. Start.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, hold on a second. You know, the problem with Scott Simon is the guy, first he goes on vacation for five weeks, we don't hear from him, and then all of a sudden he's back. Let me see. Where's your, where's your, where's your clip?

[Adam Curry]

Here is tariff needs. Trump, npr, Scott Simon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, there we go.

[Adam Curry]

Suffering succotash.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm scared, Simon. Federal appeals court has ruled that many of President Trump's sweeping tariffs are illegal. That's the guy, man. It's him. But the judge has delayed implementation of the ruling until October, giving the Supreme Court time to rule. Joined now by NPR's Ron Elving. Ron, thanks for being with us. Thank you, Scott.

[Adam Curry]

Be with you, Scott.

[John C. Dvorak]

Social media post. The president says it would be, quote, a total disaster for the country if the tariffs went away. What does this ruling and all the back and forth mean for those trade deals?

[Adam Curry]

You know, this tariff story has been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whiplash practically from the get go.

[Adam Curry]

Trump has imposed tariffs and lifted them. He set them at 25% for a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Given country and then doubled them, set them at 100% of the value of the goods and then pared that way back. He's looked very muchor this whole playing out has looked very much like an.

[Adam Curry]

Array of negotiating tactics, tactics in search of a strategy. And while billions have been collected, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Know what's so interesting is that, oh, oh, really, Sherlock? Have you finally figured out the president's algorithm? This is what he does. Like, I think we'll have 600,000 Chinese students. Everybody freaks out. Nah, I don't think we'll do 600,000 Chinese students. It's how he does. It's how he works. Like, well, it seems like this is.

[Adam Curry]

His negotiating tactic without a strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is the strategy. It is the strategy. I'm so tired of these people playing out has looked very much like an.

[Adam Curry]

Array of negotiating tactics in search of a strategy. And while billions have been collected, it's premature to say that's really money in the bank, at least not yet. So. But this position here is going to depend on what a series of courts, ultimately the U.S. supreme Court should decide. Did Trump follow the law in his end run around Congress in setting these two tariffs, or is he within his rights?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's been a crucial question all along. But Friday's ruling from the full Court.

[Adam Curry]

Of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, that really raises the stakes. So it will go to the Supreme.

[John C. Dvorak]

Court eventually, but in the meantime, it's.

[Adam Curry]

Back with a trade court that has.

[John C. Dvorak]

Been tough on Trump in the past.

[Adam Curry]

And at the same time, let's remember.

[John C. Dvorak]

It could be good news for consumers.

[Adam Curry]

If it ultimately restrains these new Trump tips tariffs and allows US Retailers to return to their previous price structures.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, you know, if you look at all of the bills and the laws that Congress itself passed, they have given a lot of this power to the president. But if you take it back to the Constitution, and in particular, if you keep telling the American people it's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax on you, you then, yeah, I think there's an argument to be made that it is not within his authority. However, I found a clip here from CTV Trust the Canadians with a former US Judge had to cut a lot of white space out of this guy. And I think this is probably exactly what will happen. And guess what? It's about the midterms. Given the holding of the court, I think the fact that, fact that the court similarly has given the President until October 15th to file a Supreme Court appeal. And then the Supreme Court, as you indicated, I think earlier, the super majority on the court might slow walk this through the midterm elections of 2026 so that these tariffs, even though ruled illegal and importantly so, will remain in effect until the court rules and the court does what it did with the presidential immunity case, waiting till the last day to brief here and decide. I think these tariffs are going to be significant with us for a long time now. And when assuming it gets to the Supreme Court, either way their decision goes, what kind of a precedent would that set? Well, I think that's going to be the key precedent because the lower court rulings, although I, I think correct, based on the United states Constitution Article 1, which vests exclusive jurisdiction for both tariffs and taxes, which these tariffs are in the United States Congress. If the decide, if they decide to uphold Trump on this, I think that will be another one of these precedents which although I think in earlier times people would say there was a very small chance for that to occur, that will become the new precedent by the super majority. Yeah, it'll be another, another thing everyone get angry over. Meanwhile, it seem the whole concept seems to be working pretty well. Well, so far, except for the vape shops. People in the vape shops are all upset because why? Because the cheap Chinese crap vape, you know, prepackaged Pre bundled vapes are now five bucks more expensive. They should be outlawed. These things, they're dangerous to your health in my opinion. Oh, I can't get my vape. I can't get the flavor I want. And this was kind of interesting coming back to the De Minimis. As we know, as we discussed on I think the last episode, you used to be able to ship up to $800 worth of stuff tax free, which is how all of this temu and all these things, you know, the clothes, which by the way are all like 30 bucks, I'm not quite sure unless you ship it all in one box. And by the way, is this just self declared? How much is this worth? It could be a diamond in there. Ah, 20 bucks.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that is, that's always been a promise called smuggling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Well, it turns out out that with this De Minimis, it's not just about the amount, but now people actually have to file paperwork.

[Adam Curry]

You know, it. And her two children traveled for hours to come to the post office in Mexico City. But after the National Post Service suspended shipments to the U.S. they're leaving disappointed.

[John C. Dvorak]

My loved ones were expecting some presents. I wanted to send them things like.

[Adam Curry]

A little Shaw, something main in Mexico.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now I can't. I've already bought it, but I can't.

[Adam Curry]

Get it to them.

[John C. Dvorak]

The postal services of dozens of countries have done the same.

[Adam Curry]

French, Danish, Spanish, Russian, Indian, British, Taiwanese, Belgian, German and Italian, to name a few. But why now? On Friday, the United States ended duty free imports for all parcels worth less than $800, an exemption known as De Minimis.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Donald Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Trump's administration promises the move will be permanent and postal services hope the resulting logistics headaches are temporary. One certainty is there will be more paperwork for sellers and higher prices for buyers. The US government already eliminated the exemption for goods from China at the start of May and says it's collected almost.

[John C. Dvorak]

Half a billion dollars from the new tax since then. The idea behind the expanded policy is.

[Adam Curry]

To tackle low cost direct to consumer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Importance imports and boost American manufacturing and retail. Yep, it'll boost our plastic crap. We should start making it.

[Adam Curry]

I don't understand why this is such a big deal. In the olden days, you used to get stuff from overseas and it had a little tag on it with the value. And you paid the tariff at the post office.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, but I guess that. Well, we know that went away a.

[Adam Curry]

Couple of Republicans, so now nobody can do it. Whoa. How are we going to do it? I don't know. It's so confusing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

It's beyond me. I can't write this little ticket up and stick it on the envelope.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here. I don't understand this. This is from Sir Gene, who is listening live in real time. Recently you had to get a part for a joystick from China. Which by the way is already your problem. Sir Jean, did you break your joystick?

[Adam Curry]

Depends on what he used it for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, the part was $84 which would fit in the de minimis, the shipping. Now the shipper has to collect the tariffs of $46. When it came into the US I was notified I owed $56 in order for them to deliver it. So the total price on an $84 part came came to 180. I don't understand. It's under a hundred dollars. So someone's ripping you off or is this just pure. The pure tariff. No, I mean de minimis is no tariff. Am I misunderstanding?

[Adam Curry]

My understanding is yes, no, I mean you're yes, no, yes, yes and no and no one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes maybe no, no.

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was $100. They changed it to from 800 to 100. So anything I wish was why Shimu and Temu and Seamus and Damos and all the rest of these operations. These guys are sending me two or three emails a day. And I keep looking, I'm going, I could just block these. There's no problem in my mailing, I just put a thing in it. But I keep, for some reason I let it happen, hoping some real good deal shows up. I guess. I don't know why I'm allowing this, but they're constantly. They want you to buy cheap, lots of little packages. I mean the idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's the whole point.

[Adam Curry]

My understanding is you can buy a thousand eighty dollar packages and it all comes through free.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I thought too. So I think, Gene, you're getting ripped.

[Adam Curry]

Off by somebody, so something's amiss.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Tina, Tina fell for a good one. The other day she was on Instagram and she says, you know, these two people and their whole account was like they have to shut down their store, they can't make it anymore. And they just, you know, they're just selling nice clothes and you know, skirts and stuff. And there was a husband and wife and you know, they're really sad and Tian's like, ah, you know, I'll buy some stuff from them. So she puts in an order, I don't know, like 150 bucks. And then she gets a Confirmation from China. And then, you know, and then she sees the actual product shots. It's all crap. It's like three doll skirts from China. And these people were just scamming her. Like, oh, we're so, we have to go out of business. It was not true. It was a lie.

[Adam Curry]

Lies on the Internet.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now and she's like, cancel my order.

[Adam Curry]

Stop the press.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know she's cancel my order. No, we can't. It's already done. It's coming from China. You'll have to send it back to China. Gave me a break.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that'll be the last time that happens to her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, oh yeah. Because I'm gonna make for a long time. I'll make fun.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, that's what scammers do. They, they scam, they're busy. So, so, so I'm at the dinner table and it's brought up by JC and Jesse both that Trump's dying.

[John C. Dvorak]

I, I heard this. Yeah, no, I, in fact, there was a rumor this weekend that he was already dead.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's that, that one too. That's on top of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Until he came out in the golf cart with his granddaughter and started, you know, riding around. So he's dying from what?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have the clip. Oh, this is the Trump. Now this, this is a clip. This is a combo clip. This is from those, those two putty faced women that do this. I HIP News or whatever it's called. They said one horrible putty face.

[John C. Dvorak]

Women.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. One of them looks like her face is made. She looks like Odo in Deep Space Nine. She's got no character, she has no features on her face. Like literally.

[John C. Dvorak]

I see.

[Adam Curry]

And so they call her putty face and she's hater and she, and there's no such thing as President Trump. It's the felon. President Trump is always that. So, so they report on it and they bring in the, I think the, the progenitor of the whole thing, which I believe to be Alex Jones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I have to watch this now. The first comment on the YouTube, he wasn't shot. He didn't win. He's going to hell. I'll have to watch this. You're right. They are putty faced. A little bit of eye makeup wouldn't hurt. Just for video. I mean, I don't care how you look.

[Adam Curry]

But.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so this is all from Alex Jones. Surprise.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, this is from the I hip. They reference the Alex Jones and bring in, bring in Alex Jones. They do a clip. They do a clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

McTaco tits, the convicted felon president.

[John C. Dvorak]

What did she say? Taco Tits.

[Adam Curry]

McTaco Tits.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is that?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. That's what she called. Calls him McTaco Tits, the convicted felon president.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's our president. Okay, points for that one.

[Adam Curry]

McTaco tits, the convicted felon president of the United States. Health is in rapid, rapid decline. There is a massive cover up going on at the White House regarding this, but the right wing is starting to figure it out. And Alex Jones, the conspiracy, conspiracy theorist, absolute abject piece of shit is starting.

[John C. Dvorak]

To get to the bottom of it.

[Adam Curry]

Kylie, pop up this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, that's what. That's what the. One of our producers wants me to talk like that. That's exactly what they want to hear. Piece of shit. Okay, sure.

[Adam Curry]

The conspiracy theorist, absolute abject piece of shit is starting to get to the bottom of it. Kylie, pop up this headline. We have a crisis. Alex Jones warns that Trump is headed for health collapse.

[John C. Dvorak]

A health collapse. Kylie, now play the clip because you can see him declining faster and faster. It's not super bad yet, but unlike Biden that was completely shot and had all these brain surgeries, the rest of it. Trump has got great genetics. He's tough. And if he takes care of himself, he can make it through these years and then act after. But if he doesn't, he's going to have, I predict Trump is going to have some type of collapse from the next 12 months at the current trajectory. I'm not saying he's going to.

[Adam Curry]

All right. Deep in the heart of Maga, he's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Giving Kanks, who I'm going to refer to him as Instead of Cankles McTaco tits for expediency and efficiency. He's giving Kanks 12 months. 12 months to live. Alex Jones.

[Adam Curry]

Well, here's the thing. He says a couple things that are just really odd. It's not that bad bad yet, Alex. It's terrible. His ankles are as big as my head. He's got bruises on his palm. From what I think they're giving him IVs. And then he says he has great genes. Let's not forget his dog. His father died of dementia and Alzheimer's. This man's genes tell us exactly where he's headed, in my opinion, and I'm not a doctor.

[John C. Dvorak]

As per.

[Adam Curry]

Pretty good, those women and that. That and the. What's that other podcast that we talk about every once in a while?

[John C. Dvorak]

Midas effect.

[Adam Curry]

Midas touch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Midas. Midas touch, Yes. I thought it was Midas effect. I think it's the Midas effect.

[Adam Curry]

I thought was Midas. Whatever it is, it's Midas something. This guy's name is Midas. And that, that guy who's just as bad as these two putty faced women. Putty Face just cannot. They're such unbelievable haters. It's just I don't think it does the public any. Any good at all to listen to people like this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, on that note, hold on. I'm writing down Putty Face for some reason. I just kind of like it. You're right. It is the Midas Touch podcast. You're right. Alex Jones. Also breaking breaking news. I didn't clip him, you know. Oh, oh, oh, yeah, here we go. The whole network, everybody was all. All of his guys were all over it. Oh, his dad was a spook. Deep State. Deep State. This. Is this all set up? And we're talking about the Minneapolis shooter. The. The trans shooter.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Deep State. Deep State.

[Adam Curry]

How.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many times? How many times? It's geospatial industry. Yep.

[Adam Curry]

I don't get the geospatial thing with CIA.

[John C. Dvorak]

They work for the. So we of course have the. We. We are the best podcast in the universe. Not because of Adam and John, but because of our producers. And here's what came in Adam, I worked with Robert Robin Westman's dad, Jim Westman for 20 years. You were wondering where the parents were up until 2014. They got divorced in 2013. Their son would have been 11 at the time. I don't know for sure, but I think the mother had custody of the kids after the divor. I think I saw the kid at work, at a work event or something when he was 7 or 8, but don't remember anything unusual. Just a normal little boy at the time. Jim, that's. This.

[Adam Curry]

This.

[John C. Dvorak]

This shooter's dad is a dude named Ben and a very good coder. I see people on X claiming he was a CIA analyst or CIA contractor. I can assure you this is complete nonsense. I have some friends that are still in contact with him, but I haven't talked to any of them about the situation since it's so hot right now. And of course he wants me to. Anonymous. He's a knight. I know who he is and I believe his story to be true. So sorry to debunk that. However. However, however. However, the M5M cannot get past this. The trans part, because look, there's patterns. There's patterns, but we don't know the motive. We have no idea. There's patterns, but we don't. We don't know the motive.

[Adam Curry]

You have mass shooting investigations so often. There is a pattern. I think police after that tonight, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Know, you see obviously some real clues here as to what a motive could be, but they're not saying formally what it is yet.

[Adam Curry]

We don't have a motive at this time, what the motive was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again, there's just nothing specific in the evidence that's been recovered.

[Adam Curry]

There's no information, nothing specific to identify a specific motive. But they'll be continuing to talk to people to see if there was a flag, if something may have popped up that they can look into. There's no clear motive, and that's what.

[John C. Dvorak]

We want to know.

[Adam Curry]

Was this a revenge shooting because there were prior affiliations to the school? Is this notoriety?

[John C. Dvorak]

The shooter identified, we are told, as female, legally changed their name from Robert to Robin.

[Adam Curry]

There's no connection yet from that to the motive.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't believe that how the shooter identifies currently in this investigation right now.

[Adam Curry]

Is, Is of significant importance. The mayor also calling on people to, quote, stop villainizing the trans community after learning that the suspect, who was born male, identified as female, spoke about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

So profoundly and powerfully. I have heard about a whole lot of hate that's being directed at our trans community. Anybody that is going to use this.

[Adam Curry]

As an opportunity to villainize our trans community, to jump to conclusions about the shooter, right. What his ideological views might have been, what his own personal, personal situation was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did these people not watch the videos? Did they not read anything that this kid was doing? Oh, we don't know what the motive. But for sure the motive isn't. Just because you're trans doesn't mean you're a killer. There's a pattern there. And the pattern would have to be relatable to mental illness, to pharmaceutical drugs, which we heard are very own vaccine denier, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Say many of them come with black box warnings that say you might have suicidal ideations or homicidal ideations. Seems like a possible thing we could look at. But no, don't you dare talk about our trans community community. It's not a community. Where do they live? Well, Minneapolis, that's true. It's a trans community community. No, no, no, no. Because in this case, when it comes to this trans person, we no longer view this person as a she as he wanted to be identified. No, no, no. We're just going to view her as a him for convenience sake. I don't know why this has been a trend lately when it comes to shooters. But immediately, you'll see a bunch of accounts online argue that it's a trans problem, that the shooter was trans.

[Adam Curry]

Trans.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of shootings happening all across the country from different demographics, But a lot of the mass shootings are carried out by young white men. They say demonic, and then they.

[Adam Curry]

It's transgender maniac shoots up Catholic school. You know, they could very easily say time and time again, straight white maniac shoots up Catholic school. There's a lot of misinformation circulating right now. This individual, as far as we know, did identify as transgender. However, as we look at the spectrum of mass casualty events in our nation's history, there have been a range of motivations and a range of profiles that have been associated with mass casualty events. You look at the shooting in Charleston at a historically black church in 2015 that was perpetrated by a white supremacist. Let's just be very real here. We have too many guns in America.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. All right. So when guns always do that behooves the mainstream media. Then the trans woman is a white man. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable.

[Adam Curry]

Shocking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know. Very shocking. Shocking.

[Adam Curry]

And then there's gambling going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's the Minnesota acting Attorney General. The shooter left behind hundreds of pages of writings. Writings that describe the shooter's plan, writings that describe the shooter's mental state, and more than anything, writings that describe the shooter's hate. Pure, indiscriminate hate. The shooter expressed hate towards almost every group. Unmanageable.

[Adam Curry]

The shooter expressed hate towards black people.

[John C. Dvorak]

The shooter expressed hate towards Mexican people. The shooter expressed hate. Hate towards Christian people. The shooter expressed hate towards Jewish people.

[Adam Curry]

In short, the shooter appeared to hate all of us. The shooter's heart was full of hate.

[John C. Dvorak]

There appears to be only one group that the shooter didn't hate. Oh, I can't wait to hear what it was. Just one group. Only one group. One group of people who the shooter admired. The group were the school shooters and mass murderers that are notorious in this country. The shooter idolized some of the most notorious school shooters and mass murderers in our country's history. I won't name them, just like I won't name the shooter. They don't deserve to have their names remembered. That's what I mean. It's like the whole rundown forgot to mention Anders Bright Trivik, who was not American and who killed a bunch of kids for political reasons.

[Adam Curry]

I think there was a more obvious, I would say, thing left out of his lists that was more important than anything, which was he hated this he hated that. He hated Trump. It said very specifically, kill Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kill Trump. Yes, you're right.

[Adam Curry]

And because of that, leaving stuff like that out resulted in Rosie o' Donnell coming on her stupid thing saying the guy was mad maga.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have a clip?

[Adam Curry]

I. Now you mention it, no, but I wasn't clipping for this guy because I thought it was old news. We already covered. But I should have clipped it. But that's what Rosie said, that DOD's another MAGA guy killing people, which is, you know, but yeah, because you leave that one thing out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And you could maybe think that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rosie o'. Donnell. Is she back on a show somewhere? She has a show.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, her own. She has a. She has her own posts on X.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's her show, is it?

[Adam Curry]

That's her show. She's got the camera up her nose. Because she's got it. She looks like hell baked over.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not a very good show. She's got the camera up her nose. That's not a show, man. She's. She's an influencer. Well, on the legal front, we do have something changing. Rob, Constitutional lawyer, you know, I called him out on last show, haven't heard from him. I'm worried because there is, there is work to be done, my friend. Attorneys general of Virginia and North Carolina are part of a bipartisan coalition demanding big tech companies strengthen protections for minors exposed to AI chat bots. They sent a letter warning companies will.

[Adam Curry]

Be held accountable, accountable for any harm for their AI products that they cause.

[John C. Dvorak]

Including sexual conversations, discussions of violence, and deceptive interactions that lead to scams.

[Adam Curry]

This comes as a California family is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Suing Open AI, claiming ChatGPT helped their teenage son plan suicide. This is what we need. This is a direction I can agree with. Hold them liable. There's no way they can't be held liable for. For this unless it's in the eula, which I'm sure it is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, even if it's. The eula, cannot. There's still issues that the EULA cannot protect, no matter what it says.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unless you're a pharmaceutical company with vaccines.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that wasn't part of a. That's not part of a eula. That was a federal. That was a congressional act. Yeah, that was a law that was passed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who says that won't be passed for AI?

[Adam Curry]

Could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would.

[Adam Curry]

That could happen. I wouldn't be. If it happened, I wouldn't be surprised.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I recall in the big beautiful bill, there's a provision in there that says states may not have Any laws regarding artificial intelligence for the next 10.

[Adam Curry]

Years, which I find not having any laws is one thing. Suing over something like this is something else that's different.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, there is just. Everyone is up in arms about this AI stuff because of its smartness, because of how incredibly quickly it's going to take away all of our jobs. No, it's the beautiful people who are up in arms. Retailer J. Crew faces some criticism now for what.

[Adam Curry]

Some are speculating are AI generated images promoting their brand.

[John C. Dvorak]

These photos look just like the J. Crew ads of the past, but they may not be real. The website Blackbird Spy Plane pointed out some great glitches in the clothing and photo distortions. In a statement released to the Cut, J.

[Adam Curry]

Crew said it is exploring some new.

[John C. Dvorak]

Forms of creative expression and experimenting with different art mediums. Critics are concerned the AI models are just cutting out workers who would otherwise get paid. Oh, no. What will beautiful people do? They're cutting out the workers. The workers, the models, the beautiful men at J. Crew Crew. What will they do? AI is going to put them on the streets. They'll have to be turning tricks now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they go become plumbers, electricians. Come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

They'd have the right look.

[Adam Curry]

And the girls can always find work. Let's face it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa.

[Adam Curry]

Hello.

[John C. Dvorak]

According to by the way, the. The prime. Who is this? The prime minister. Who was was this. This was. Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristensen admitted in an interview with Swedish business paper Doggins Industrie that He frequently uses AI tools such as ChatGPT and LeChat. Where's LeChat? I want LeChat to seek second opinions on policy decisions before proposing or enacting a new policy. Christensen asks the chat questions like, what have others done? Should we think the complete opposite, Adding that the PM also uses AI platforms to conduct research and bounce ideas around. Well, that sounds good.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know if it's anything like these. The lawyers who use it, and they come up with phony cases that don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exist, of course, but it doesn't matter because this thing is just going to keep on going. There's no AI Winter coming? Nope. Bloomberg surveillance podcast says good times ahead. Heath Terry, head of technology and communications at Citi Research, says, quote, first AI.

[Adam Curry]

Analyst on Wall street believes AI revenue will surge to $780 billion in 2030 from $43 billion this year.

[John C. Dvorak]

So from 43 billion billion to seven. Almost $800 billion in six years. What do you think possible?

[Adam Curry]

Well, the problem is, is that it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'll cost trillion dollar industry. I don't know, Maybe it'll cost 5 trillion to make it, but that may.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it would definitely cost. Yeah, they can't, they can't even get.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the trillions market underpriced.

[Adam Curry]

Look, that's, that's the way we look at it. I mean, you know, we are in the very, very early stages of this AI cycle.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of things that sort of matter to driving growth are about to clear in gross favor.

[Adam Curry]

The bottlenecks that we've seen in capacity constraint, the model development advances that we're seeing particularly around agentic AI. And then of course, the biggest of those being what we think could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Called AI squared, the idea that AI on its own can start programming AI. Ah, that's what I'm looking for, AI Squared.

[Adam Curry]

Notice also yesterday that's not going to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

That's not going to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's what's coming. It's going to.

[Adam Curry]

This reminds me, this would be like those, those boxing robots, Rock em, sock em robots. No, the ones that the Chinese have, they're having matches. Haven't you seen these videos?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we talked about it. It's horrible. I mean you could kick that robot's ass in a second.

[Adam Curry]

Like boom, they suck.

[John C. Dvorak]

The idea that AI its own can start programming AI.

[Adam Curry]

I noticed also yesterday that an analyst from E Marketer said we have to see returns on these investments and soon. And the threat is these big hyperscalers may pull back on the margin in terms of capex if they don't start to see returns soon on the applications, on the AI applications that they're powering. What do you think about that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Look, I don't think there's any chance of that. Right, right, right. I mean we, we go back a year ago and you had the CEOs.

[Adam Curry]

Of Alphabet meta, Microsoft all get on their earnings calls and say some version of the risk of over investing vesting is far less than the risk of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Underinvesting in this space.

[Adam Curry]

And then we fast forward a year later and they've all said, you know what, Even though we believe that we actually underinvested and capacity constraints are still there and so you don't see that kind of demand, demand outstripping supply if.

[John C. Dvorak]

The returns aren't there.

[Adam Curry]

IDC has had one that said that, you know, CFO or CIOs are getting 3.7x for every dollar they put into AI. And the returns, and admittedly they're early returns, but the early returns show that.

[John C. Dvorak]

This stuff is Working at the enterprise level. Oh, it's working at the enterprise level, John. It's all good. The enterprise is into it. The enterprise is being.

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute. How are you getting 3.7 times per dollar? Give me. So they get. Getting $3 and 70 cents for every dollar they invest. Where's the evidence of this?

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no evidence of it.

[Adam Curry]

None.

[John C. Dvorak]

This thing is a scam, and it's a scam. I mean, it's. It's great. This pattern recogn. Pattern matching is great. It's great. I love code. I code in Python and I figured it out. You got to have three different. I want the chat, but I use Grok, I use Chat GPT, I want to use the chat. And you post for a guy who.

[Adam Curry]

Thinks this is a scam and a. And a dead end and a piece of crap. You. You are all in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me explain. I am all in because I know what this costs, and while it's still cheap.

[Adam Curry]

So you're all in because you're taking advantage. You think it's like they're shipping a $5 bill for every. Every hour you spend. In other words, they're. For all practical purposes, they're sending you money the more you use it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cor, I love that part. Now, you really have to know what you're doing to get anything functional out of it. But even in the past couple of days, the network disconnects on. ChatGPT and Grok are very frequent. It just sits there and says, oh, the network is disconnected. But my Internet didn't disconnect, so I don't know what your disconnect is, but they throw up this disconnect. Look, I run Web ui. I can run these models at home. Takes forever. Takes forever. You get the answers out of it, but it's. And it's just matching. I mean, I'm asking things that people have programmed a million times over, and it sucked it all up into the Internet and Python code like, oh, here's the code. That's how you do it. This. Someone, some other doofus did this. It does that very well. You know, it saves me the trip to stack overflow. But not when I'm trying to run a model at home. No, I might as well run this really quick model while it's still costing me 20 bucks a month. There's no way this condition can sustain itself. No, there's no way. And it's certainly not thinking.

[Adam Curry]

Well, nobody ever said it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, we're so close to superintelligence. It'll be ChatGPT6. That'll be the model when it's. So we're so close to AGI. Asi is next. Oh, it's happening. It's not.

[Adam Curry]

But the chatbots.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chatbots. Oh, yeah, that's the business right there. Make those cheap and you're in. You'll be sued, but make those cheap, it'll be worth it.

[Adam Curry]

Hopefully it will be sued. That'll change everything. So I got some international news, which we never play enough of on this show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Or I got TikTok clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

International news, please. I'll take international news for 500. It Alex.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Indonesia mess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, let me see. Yes, I have heard about this. Friend of mine is on his way to Indonesia, actually.

[Adam Curry]

Protesters in Indonesia have stormed the homes of several politicians, including the country's finance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Minister, and looted luxury items. There have been widespread demonstrations across the country after lawmakers increased their salaries despite a cost of living crisis. Asidestra Ajangrastri reports from China. Jakarta this week is a fragile one for Indonesia. What began as a protest against the additional $3,000 housing allowance for parliament members has now escalated into demonstrations against police brutality. The unrest prompted President Prabowo Subianto to cancel a scheduled trip to China to personally monitor the situation. With protests now entering nearly a week, many people describe the atmosphere in Jakarta.

[Adam Curry]

And other cities as tense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fearing further clashes between police and the public. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So they're raiding the parliament members houses and stealing their stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That was pretty funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's how you do it.

[Adam Curry]

Teach them a lesson.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gets people's attention.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, now we got a Mexico mess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, another mess.

[Adam Curry]

Thousands of people have held protests across.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mexico to mark the International Day of the Victim. Victims of enforced disappearances. Relatives and friends of missing people, as well as human rights activists have marched.

[Adam Curry]

Through the streets of Mexico City, Guadalajara.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cordoba and other cities calling for justice and government action.

[Adam Curry]

More than 130,000 people are reported as missing in Mexico. Esperanza Chavez has been searching for her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brother Miguel for more than a decade. It's remembering her family member who. Whom we must remember every day. But today is the most important one for those of us who have a missing loved one. What I would ask of the government and especially of President Sheinbaum, is that they find them. I have been searching for my brother since 2014. Most of the disappearances are links to the country's notorious drug cartels, which often target the young and vulnerable. Yeah, yeah. You know, we also have. Coming up is September 11th. We'll have another. I'm sure everyone's already putting their packages together to traumatize the American people all over again, which is actually, you know, that I got a note from a millennial mom, boots on the ground. And it was quite interesting because. Because she said, I want to give you my boots on the ground report. As a millennial mom. I've heard this before. We got screwed, basically. We all saw 9, 11. We got traumatized by it. Then we had the financial crisis, the housing crisis. We got psyoped into going into debt and getting worthless degrees. We're told we'd make, you know, $150,000. And then Covid. And I'm like, yeah, well, doesn't every generation have its horrible. I mean, I remember the Vietnam War. I remember my friend's brothers, older brothers, coming home in boxes. I remember 14% interest rate. I remember gas lines to 20. Yes, 20. Can you imagine? For a house, 20%.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, every generation goes through its incredible trauma. You also saw the rise of the Internet, online porn. Come on. Come on. Now, you can't complain about everything. A lot of good things happened in your time, but it seems like there's a pity party going on for themselves. Themselves.

[Adam Curry]

Pity party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pity party. Yeah. And I mean, how about think of now, you're. You're a little bit older than I am, so you do cross into true Boomer territory.

[Adam Curry]

I'm a true boomer, so I'm not, like, on the cusp.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what kind of. I mean, your parents went through World War II. Not a little thing.

[Adam Curry]

And the Depression.

[John C. Dvorak]

The real depression. Not the Great Recession, but the real depression.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they were in the Depression and World War II.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what else? I mean, let's just line them up, because I'm sorry, that's life. And somehow it feels to me like the millennials are saying we got screwed, not like anybody else. That's not true.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, your sympathy for this woman has no bounds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, on the other hand, you know Matt from Martell Hardware?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now he's a millennial. He says our kid's an Alpha. A gen Alpha. Yeah, he's got an Alpha.

[Adam Curry]

We got it all covered by the Alphas. But the Alphas are just little kids.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but listen to this. We enrolled our generation Alpha son into an SAT prep course this summer. The first thing he said to me when I picked him up after that first session was, was, dad, I need a wristwatch. How about that?

[Adam Curry]

A real one.

[John C. Dvorak]

A real one, he said. Matt says, I ran upstairs, pulled my own. My old Victorinox Swiss army watch. Out of a drawer and my son is now wearing this reading clock. Happily it's good. I think we did. I think we helped out somehow.

[Adam Curry]

I hope so, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

The months of the year. Turns out that's not just the us, that's also in the uk. According to Baron of Milford in Staffordshire, England. Commodore of the no agenda Navy. No agenda Doctor of Education and Climate Change Science graduate of the class of 2024. So you know that guy's legit and I see he was, he was teaching A level accounting 16 to 18 year old students at a very good international school in Cambridge between 2019, 2024. Knowing the months of the year in accounting is crucial for calculation deprecation I would think. Accruals and prepayments and is a skill that is tested often in exams from A level to professional exams in bookkeeping. Financial accounting management. Accounting financial management papers. Students at the school struggled with calculating the number of months to use in an accounting operation and frequently got the answers wrong. At first I thought it was a language issue of my lack of direction as a relatively new teacher. But as the years went by it got worse and worse and latterly students could not even tell you how many weeks there were in a year or how many days in a year. I had to constantly drill them to get this right in an almost comical fashion, as I would with very young primary school students. Fellow teachers of the subject told me that it was the same across the UK and state schools, which does not give me hope for the future of the profession that I've been a part of for 40 years. Don't even know how many weeks there are in a year.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. It's just a number. 52 people. 52. It's easy to remember you're a kid to number 52. It's not hard, but I guess it's like a dozen.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many cards in a decoration of cards?

[Adam Curry]

52.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. That's right.

[Adam Curry]

Well actually there's usually a couple of jokers in there too, but remember the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Game, the 52 card pickup? That was always a good one. Was always a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Wasn't a game.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it was not a game. It was not.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, last international clip. You know they talk about everyone. Oh, that's free. Palestine, Palestine, Palestine, Palestine. Where in the world is the big real problem? That's the massive famine, murder, killings.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, let me guess, let me guess. Somewhere in Africa.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Sudan.

[John C. Dvorak]

The head of a paramilitary group in a civil war with Sudan's army has been sworn. It is the head of a new parallel government, they said in a statement. The parallel administration has been condemned by the U.S. and others. NPR's Emmanuel Akindewa reports. The move pushes the country closer towards a formal partition after two years of a war.

[Adam Curry]

Mohammad Hamdan Tagalo, the leader of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Paramilitary military Rapid Support Forces, was sworn in as the head of a parallel government, the new parallel administration said in a statement. The RSF leader, who has rarely been seen in Sudan since the war started, was sworn in in the Sudanese city.

[Adam Curry]

Of Nyala, the statement said, and he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Leads a group that includes armed groups and allied civilian figures. The announcement comes amid intense fighting in Sudan, which is suffering the world's largest humanitarian crisis and largest famine in decades. The Sudanese army have largely taken control of northern, central, central and eastern Sudan, where the RSF remains mostly in control of the western region of Darfur, where it's widely accused of committing another genocide against African ethnic groups. Emmanuel Akimotu, NPR News, Lagos. So what weapons do you think are you are being used in the Sudan war?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just going to guess. I'm just going to guess. It's U.S. weapons.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think there are probably a lot of Russian weapons. Weapons too, aka AK47s are better than our stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they're certainly built to last. Let me see.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see if I can find out.

[Adam Curry]

Or it's a more practical product.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see. What are they using? Okay. AKs, they are using a lot of Russian stuff, some Chinese stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Uae. The UAE makes stuff, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Why not? It's a good business.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, I want to mention something. I can't find the note. I was looking for it, so I can give the credit to the person, but we finally had a baby named after the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. And you lost the note.

[Adam Curry]

I'll get the note. I'll read it in the next show.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is the kid's name?

[Adam Curry]

Mimi.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's it. Mimi.

[Adam Curry]

Mimi. That's. They use the name Mimi. They use Mimi's name instead of I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Work my butt off for 18 years and they named the kid Mimi.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, now. Okay. I was waiting for like the second and third name. Like me, Mimi John. Oh, well, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Isn't that ironic?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The next kid will be named Jay.

[John C. Dvorak]

With that. I want to thank you for your courage. In the morning to you, the man who put the C in the colored fruit loop. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John Cedor. Yeah. Whoa.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning in the morning, Mr. Adam Curry. In the morning. Ship sea booster Graphic Neosops. The water dames and knights out there in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the trolls in the troll room. Hello, trolls. Not bad for Labor Day weekend, 1973. Still a little on the low side, but not as low as I thought it would be. It's pretty good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. People are traveling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. But although they. Many less travelers than expected. I heard from AAA somewhere. Yeah. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Gasoline prices are down, so why travel?

[John C. Dvorak]

And people are having staycations. Staycations?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the old staycation. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they've got low T. So you.

[Adam Curry]

Know, and they're turning out to be these, these tourist places. Like there's nothing but complaining going. I haven't been to Vegas for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Since COVID Oh, apparently no one has.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they got the prices jacked to the max. The Old Buck 99 steak breakfast. Everything's like 50 bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

The buffet, all you can eat. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So everything's jacked up. They've jacked up all the prices. So I looked into it a little bit because I was listening to all the complaining going on and the whole town has been taken over by an investment company called VICI V I C I. You can look it up. And everything's been. Except for Wynn and maybe one other operation. Operation. The entire city, every one of the casinos including MGM and Caesars and everybody else has been bought up by this one company. And everything's on a leaseback.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vichy Capital, Cleveland based family office dedicated to generating sustainable wealth and preserving it for the future of themselves. Our experience doesn't say that. So are they. That's private equity.

[Adam Curry]

Private equity. And they've bought up everything and it's all legal leaseback, which I don't know about you, but every time I've seen leaseback as examples of that, like in San Francisco, I think it was a couple of the fame, a couple of famous stores. Gumps I think was one of them. Very famous jewelry and trinket shop in San Francisco for high end goods. They did one of these leaseback deals. They said, well yeah, we can buy your company and then you can lease it back. It'll save you all this money and you'll have this, you have this cash flow and it's all a positive thing. And you, you have money in the bank and you have working capital and we own the company now, but you get to lease it back so you're still in business. And then when you go out of. And then what happens is that the leaseback company says, you know, we're Going to raise your rates. Oh, we're going to do this or we're going to. Next thing you know, you're completely out of business. I mean, this is. Vegas is just. Is headed for a complete meltdown. Disaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

All the more reason not to go to Vegas. Except for the. If there's something at the Sphere. The Sphere? You gotta go see the Dead at the Sphere, man. You know, they have a permanent residency, it seems, at the Spear.

[Adam Curry]

The Dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, with. With John Mayer. Oh, yeah. Oh, the ladies love John Mayer at the Sphere.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're gonna have to take forever to pay. Pay that thing off the Sphere. That thing cost like a couple billion to build.

[John C. Dvorak]

That thing's making money. Handover overfoot. I mean, people are. Especially for the Dead show. They're paying up to a thousand bucks. Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know if anyone realized it, but Jerry Garcia is dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, but. But John Mayer is there. And all the ladies love John Mayer. Anyway, the trolls are not in Vegas. They're not in the Sphere. They're in the troll room. And I used to say trollroom IO but I got excoriated for it. So I'll say no agenda stream.com, everybody. You can just go to no Agenda Stream. Or you can listen on a modern podcast app to be found to be [e-mail] [e-mail] you'll find these podcast apps that when you use them, instead of a legacy app, man, when you subscribe to the Night and Day, it is Night and Day. I mean, you got chapters and transcripts and, you know, all kinds of different goodies. And a lot of these, you know, if you're like, oh, wow, I really want to support the show, you can hit the boost button or you can hit the. There's a paypal button in them. You just hit that, and it goes right to the donation page. So you don't have to close out your, you know, open your browser or do anything like that, you know. Where. Where do I go? No, you can go to no agendadonations.com where you can just hit that button. It takes you to knowagendadonations.com it's beautiful. And when we release the bat signal, then automatically you get an alert on your pH. Tap that. Boom, you're listening to the show. Bob's your uncle. And when we release the show, within 90 seconds of release, you get the show. So I. I highly recommend you get one of these apps. They are all of them free to use. Some of them have premium features. Then I suggest you support these podcast app developers. We get a lot of support from people in many different ways. You heard several boots on the ground, some very detailed ones. People always, we have the best producers in the the universe. And you can help the show by telling someone about it, propagating the formula, as we call it. You can organize a meetup. There's many things you can do. And we used to have artists who really worked very hard on creating artwork for the show. Now we have prompt jockeys who are basically doing what anybody can do. Although you still have to have a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

That's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean it's not true?

[Adam Curry]

You have to know it. You're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I said. You have to know what you're doing. I said anybody can do it. You have to know what you're doing. Anyway, I was very discouraged by the art for 1794, we titled Heroin Hotties. People found that very interesting. Although some people did look at the art and go, ah, I can't wait to hear what you guys are talking about. This was the clueless kids looking at the calendar. Mixed up calendar digital 2112 man.

[Adam Curry]

Now the problem I have no, it's Jeffrey Raya.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought was 2112, man. Was it Jeffrey Ray or did I. Did I get that wrong?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'll have to get it wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have to change the credits. I'm sorry, you're right. It is Jeffrey Ray. I'm sorry, Jeffrey. I'll change that. But everything is a cartoon now. Everything's a cartoon. And all has too much orange in it.

[Adam Curry]

And it's not a very orange piece. It's got a lot of blue in it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a cartoon. Just another cartoons.

[Adam Curry]

You don't like it? You don't like the how.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, I'd rather take the photo realistic. Realistic stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Except like you get Scaramanga, who does great babes. But this, who cares? It's just some babes.

[Adam Curry]

It's just.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not a no agenda art. It's just babes, okay? Everything is either a cartoon or a drawing with orange. It's just. It's. Model collapse is imminent. Every. Everything Jeffrey Raya does now has orange in it. Everything Darren o' Neill does has orange in it.

[Adam Curry]

It. This piece does not have that much orange in it. You're complaining about something that doesn't exist. And there was a piece that you like. Look.

[John C. Dvorak]

That no Agenda says or it's orange. The kid's shirt is orange. It's just orange. Yes, there's, there's two things I like. We'll start by saying the Joe Baba Cracker Barrel. No agenda art. Right idea, horrible execution. You needed to do a lot, lot more and you could have won. But the one we both liked a lot and you chickened out on. I'm like, we should use this. We should use this.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't chicken out. I was wisely determined. I wisely vetoed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we do have a veto on this show, on everything. It was the Palestinian guy. He's wearing the shirt keep calm and blame the Jews. I thought it was fantastic and was done by our shape shifting shekelmeister, Young Yarmore.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yarmor is Jewish, I believe.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's donated.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's donated shekels.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And I thought that was, that was hilarious. And you're like, no, we can't do that, man.

[Adam Curry]

No, I, you, you didn't really push back on me too much.

[John C. Dvorak]

I said, I said we really should do this one. And you're like, no, I like the kids.

[Adam Curry]

I like the kids. Yeah. You said you were going to make this argument knowing full well that you.

[John C. Dvorak]

You vetoed it. No. Oh, oh, okay. So now we're not.

[Adam Curry]

Of course we. I vetoed it because we're not using it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then.

[Adam Curry]

Corduroy, you also like the A gays one.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I'm saying. Corduroyte had the right idea with the A gays, but. But there's like two chicks in there.

[Adam Curry]

What is chicks doing in there with.

[John C. Dvorak]

It with the handsome gay guys? It was, it was the right idea. You had a, an idea and then.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we figured that he couldn't prompt the chicks away.

[John C. Dvorak]

The chicks weren't, were, weren't promptable. Hey, where is my, my I need an A team jingle for the A guys. Aays. I mean, it seems like such an obvious one. If you're looking for something done in Washington D.C. you need the A. Come on, come on, jingle makers. You guys used to be on the game, on the, the ball. They've dropped it. I don't know what happened.

[Adam Curry]

Grape. Grape gripe. Geez.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, okay. Gee, I'm really happy that our art is all generated. Generated by computers. We have no more end of show mixes because everyone's just tired of it because it takes actual work. Except for the people who send in five minute songs. Look, I made an end of show mix. It's like, look, I'm a developer now. Look at me.

[Adam Curry]

Developers. Developers. Developers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

So five minutes. That's true. They can't seem to get. They can't seem to prompt that. Hey, short one minute max. Won't the prompt take that? I don't get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't think so. I think it's very hard to.

[Adam Curry]

There's like prompting out the women in the A piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I mean, these Sumo and all. Suno Sumo, I think it is. They're. They're used to making pop songs. You can't do something that it has never done. Well, I've never done a pop song that's one minute long. I can't do that. I. Here's the structure. I don't know how to do it.

[Adam Curry]

That's exactly it. They have a pre. Dispose. They're predisposed towards a structure and everything has to fit within the structure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Until.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Like rector sets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But eventually we'll have a new Sex Pistols, you know, we'll have a new Laurie Anderson. We'll have a. A. We'll have a print. Something new will come along. It always does. And then the AI will swallow that up and then we'll have thousands of those songs.

[Adam Curry]

I had Laurie Anderson at the house once.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Superman. Oh, John. Hello. I'm not. What it's like, hello, I'm not home right now. I love that song. It was eight minutes for those you never heard of. So what was she doing at the house?

[Adam Curry]

We had a party and Steve Beck, one of the local. He was. I think he's in Japan now. A local developer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Developer, Developer, developer.

[Adam Curry]

He's an inventor and he. It was his date brought her over.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

How was she?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you look at her. She come to you. They come in and you look. You have to step there and you go, that's Lori Anderson.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Because she's very distinctive looking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I didn't have the tempo right. This is 8 minutes and 30 seconds. Seconds long. I love this track. I remember the first time I heard that song on the radio. I was like, wow, what is that so different? Anyway, I'm sure you were not a fan of her music.

[Adam Curry]

She's a nice person.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. Not a fan of the music.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, it was okay. I mean, it's just like, you know, I'm not a fan of a lot of things.

[John C. Dvorak]

We also, of course, have producers who understand. Oh, man. Did you see that guy who sent that note that I, I. When I hit send, I already regretted hitting shooting send.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, what you do?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, the guy is like, no, I didn't. I just. The guy's like, I've been listening 10 years for free. But I would consider donating if you admitted that there are shape shifters, that Q is real. Stop rebranding the Great Awakening as the Great Reveal, which we have on. It's called the Season of Reveal.

[Adam Curry]

And I never say it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. It was only about me, obviously.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm the problem. If you ask anybody about the show, I'm the problem.

[Adam Curry]

Except for the fact that you're the one that produces the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

People should realize that I've a couple of things I complain about. I mean, I can complain about a lot of things, but one of my main complaints is that no one has recognized officially that the quality of the production of this show, which is all on Adam's shoulders, because he is the CTO of this operation.

[John C. Dvorak]

That sounds like a disease.

[Adam Curry]

I'm the CTO of this operation, and he's responsible for the overall sound quality and the fact that the show, the way it goes out and everything in between, and he has never received anything for this effort.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it irks me, and I engineer it. People often, often say. So does John have clips on his side? No.

[Adam Curry]

Well. Well, do I send the clips to Adam?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And I don't listen.

[Adam Curry]

I cue the clips, but I don't fly the clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you looking at each other? Does he give you a. Like a finger sign to cue the clip? No, I said, do you have a light? Does he press a button?

[Adam Curry]

A light. That's what I need.

[John C. Dvorak]

Does he press a button and the light comes. Comes on? No, no, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

We have a. We have a mechanism that we use which is just a queuing system where I'll say something like, I've got this clip about Mexico.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And then I'll chat it up, and he'll go down the line and I'll go. Make sure I didn't spell it. Texaco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. I feel like I don't see anything under M. Where is it? Where is it?

[Adam Curry]

And then you hear the. Every once in a while, he said, I can't find the clip. And he yells at me, frustrated. But there's always. It is my fault in these instances because I do a lot of typos on the list.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've gotten used to them. I know what to look for by now. It's okay.

[Adam Curry]

But the point is, is that this has never been rewarded. No little small trophy, I don't think. Doesn't bother me. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Just send your cash. I don't want to want a trophy.

[Adam Curry]

Your cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't want no stinking trophy.

[Adam Curry]

That's probably true, but still.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, but you know, so we have a lot of producers who do understand that we need. They need money to keep alive, to stay alive, to pay bills. And this is the only income we have. And we appreciate that. People have kept it going for so long and we'll see how much longer it goes and that. And this is usually when people send me the note. Well, you know, you've changed. I don't know. Have you changed in 18 years? You haven't.

[Adam Curry]

Everyone changes in 18 years. But to be honest about it, we haven't since we started off fairly mature, we haven't changed that much.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's always. John is the same. You've changed.

[Adam Curry]

I don't see it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you.

[Adam Curry]

He's always been a Zionist shill. This has been going on for a long time.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you, you shouldn't make fun of the producers.

[Adam Curry]

That's not right.

[John C. Dvorak]

We pay your rent.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's actually a mistake. You see, this is that. This is a lack of understanding of the, of the formula to say that. Yes, because. Because producers like attention. The artists like it more. The artists are attention driven. And so, so berating them is actually a. They like, it fills some sort of, some sort of idealism that they, they provide themselves and say, you know, everybody hates the greatness of our art and the fact that we're artists. And, and here's a good example. Listen to these guys ragging on us and I'll show them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but notice they're all gone.

[Adam Curry]

Decided to become prompt jockeys.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's not a single artist left. They're all gone, ma'.

[Adam Curry]

Am.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're all gone.

[Adam Curry]

There's actually a drawing in one of these upcoming ones. It's a pretty funny one too.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's a beautiful. More like Scott Horton. At least Dave Smith is consistent. I'm. I'm human being. I'm very inconsistent. Yes, he did 10 hours with Lex Friedman. People sent it to me. You should watch this.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, That'll be the day. Should watch this. Oh, boy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I watch a lot that people say.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you can watch that. And then you're be qualified for the COVID shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm ready. Jack me up, baby. We thank everybody. $50 and above. It's how value for value works. We pioneered the concept, the term, and it now lives in many places. And we're happy to see it expanding like that. It is really. If you're doing a podcast, just ask the people who are listening, listening to it to support you, particularly if you're doing a hyper local podcast. I guarantee you the people in your neighborhood, if you're delivering value, they will support you. They will support you in many ways. Time, talent or treasure. And then we have a special just because it's kind of how Hollywood works. Like if you Support us with $200 or more for an episode, we've got to thank you. Not just thank you. We're going to reach read your note. Hopefully it's not too long. We like short notes just to make it, you know, fair for everybody else. And we'll give you a title, Associate executive producer of the Noah Jenner show for that episode. $300 or above, you become an executive producer. And these credits are real credits, Hollywood style credits you can use. Not like AR style, 15 assault rifle style. No real credits. You can use them anywhere. Credits are recognized, including IMDb.com and we'll start off with our first producer, Sir Scoffy. He's in Charlotte, North Carolina. Comes in with the devil's number 6666 and he says jingle bush. Just send your cash. ITM John Adam matching Donation Alert. Here we go in the morning. To Sir Kretchman of the Whitewater Valley in Richmond, Indiana and to Joe Spry in Savannah, Georgia for their 333.33 donations for 1794. Thank you both for your courage. You remember this our matching.

[Adam Curry]

Our matching match. 330, 333 donations any and he has a note here. Fellow producers only going to do so many of them. You got four left.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, fellow producers, four more matching donations of 333.33 are available. That's up to and including show 1800. Producers curious about this matching donation offer. Refer to the first donation SE for show 1793. Love and Light, Sir Scoe, the Duke of Piedmont. Thank you Duke of Piedmont. This is highly appreciated. I know a lot of people want.

[Adam Curry]

To send blankets or water. Just send your cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you very much. That's. That is, that's I think a first true matching donation we've had like that actually came through immediately. I think.

[Adam Curry]

Kimber Kimberly Pillage. Pillage, you think? In Lakewood, Washington. 550 itm. Gentlemen, please accept this donation for Secretary General on behalf of my son, Commodore Sharkey. This amount brings him to knighthood. Please knight him. Sir Sharkey, Secretary General of the Salish Sea. Enjoy the rest of your day, Kim.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gotta love that. Okay. Thank you, Kim.

[Adam Curry]

Sure and sweet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scott rediker, Great Falls, Montana. 515 38. Probably 500 with some fees baked in. Thank You. He says, thanks for the excellent work. I'd like to be Secretary General of the Cascade County R2D2. Karma, please. I don't believe I'm a douche, but a washing never hurts.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched, says Scott Rediker.

[John C. Dvorak]

From Great Falls, Montana.

[Adam Curry]

You've got karma Circastic. The Nomad in why Wyo. Missing? Why? I don't even know. In Pennsylvania.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wyoming.

[Adam Curry]

Wyoming. Why y' all missing?

[John C. Dvorak]

You're missing out. And why.

[Adam Curry]

$500. This donation takes me to the baronet status and Secretary General. I accept gitmonation if the purge committee allows. Sure. Join me in the meetup on September 3rd in Alabama.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Sarcastic. The Nomad. No jingles, no karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Check it [e-mail] Carrie Conkle. Carrie Conkle. Ah. She sent me a note card. Carrie did. She said, how can I. She says, I'm 63. How can I listen to the show live? And I. I told her. Noagendastream.com because that's what I've been told to do.

[Adam Curry]

Arcadia, Wisconsin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Carrie is from Arcadia, Wisconsin.

[Adam Curry]

500 Arcadia.

[John C. Dvorak]

What did I. What did I say?

[Adam Curry]

I said arcada. And then you said it, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no reason for you.

[Adam Curry]

I corrected my correction of your correction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are you even talking while I'm talking?

[Adam Curry]

Because I time. Just feel like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

First time donation.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I just got a flood advisory for Gillespie County.

[Adam Curry]

Is that where you are?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm in Gillespie County. Yeah, but we're. We're up high, so we should be okay. But anyone who's in Gillespie county, pay attention to these warnings. Thanks for bringing humor into my world. Twice a week. Please send Jobs Karma for my daughter. Thank you very much. Well, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for Jobs Karma. She only gets humor in her world twice a week.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's it. This. It's. It's bleak out there, man.

[Adam Curry]

Matt in Brighton, UK, 38282. And just since he's from the UK, I do have a bonus clip that we played during these donations segments.

[John C. Dvorak]

A bonus clip. All right. Bonus clip. What is the bonus?

[Adam Curry]

Is the bonus. This is the. Which clip is this? I'm looking onerous. This is the. I have a series of these clips. This is the latest one. This is onerous. New UK laws. UK no ID.

[John C. Dvorak]

No groceries. From September 12, a shocking new supermarket rule comes into force. Without a government issued photo id, you will not be allowed to enter any supermarket in the uk Even for basic essentials like bread or milk. Officials claim it's to stop shoplifting and fraud, but critics say it will destroy daily life for millions. This means teenagers, pensioners without passports and anyone who's simply forgotten their wallet could be turned away at the door. Supermarkets will have staff at entrances checking IDs. And shoppers say this fish feels like.

[Adam Curry]

Airport style security just to buy food. Campaigners warn it's the start of a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Two tier shopping system that could permanently change the way Britain shops and eats. And here's the worst part. Fail the ID check once and you could be banned from that store for a month. Many are now asking, is this really about safety or is it the beginning of a stricter control system quietly reshaping, shaping how ordinary people live, move, shop, budget and survive in Britain today. Now, I have a question about this clip. Are you sure this is true? Because your last onerous UK clip turned out to be fake news, bro. Yeah, about the cash. Like that people had to pay a thousand pounds.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I know there's cash restrictions going on, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I have the clip if you want to hear it. Everyone was emailing me, of course, because somehow it's all my fault.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, you played it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But yeah, I think you, I think when you did mea culpa, you. You got caught.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well if the clip was bad, this could be bad too. This guy could be full of shit. He may be a just a bad actor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well in fact, people are like, I'm very disappointed you didn't check it out before.

[Adam Curry]

You just played ten. Check out everything. These are just clips. Okay, I'm sorry I played a bad clip, but it's entertaining.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was bad. Although I will say that the truth of the cash restrictions is that the UK banks could report you under suspicious activity report if you withdraw too much cash. That part. So I. I give it a. A half a Pinocchio.

[Adam Curry]

So Matt in Brighton gives us 283. 82. 82 and writes it. I'm John and Adam started listening in late 2007 and I went back and listened from episode one. Oh man, you tortured yourself. You have kept me dewoked for nearly the last two decades. This donation completes my knighthood. I pay for this with some of my gains from an investment in Meta based on John Sage advice in episode 1484. That's where I won the bet.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad he didn't listen to me. This donation would not be happening if he had to. Listened. Listen to me.

[Adam Curry]

Since then the stock has rallied 190% nice. To the round table I would like to bring to have bong hits and a double ipa. There you go. All right, so he's getting knighted and.

[John C. Dvorak]

He'S from the uk, so he has all that, all those gains from Meta, but he can't withdraw it. Matthew Montgomery is in arvada. Arvada, arvada, colorado.

[Adam Curry]

Arvada, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

333 our big dumb mouth.

[Adam Curry]

Gurkha, Gurkha, Gurkha.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're just durka, durka, Muhammad Jihad.

[Adam Curry]

Durka, durka, durka, durka.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know what you meant. I got you covered.

[Adam Curry]

Dame Astrid. Hey, she's in Tokyo.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's the Duchess. The Grand Duchess.

[Adam Curry]

Also, the note came from a combination here. Looks like Sir Marcus is involved. Happy birthday, Adam. $261. Just following up on Dame Astrid's note and donations, here's a photo graphic meetup report from the Idol Beer bar, Clybloom Cybloom, where we welcomed Sebastian of the Gitmo Lowlands. We're joined by abhi, Harold and Brandon, and plus more idiots than you could possibly count.

[John C. Dvorak]

Idols.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Idols. Idols. Don't say that about our meetup in.

[Adam Curry]

I got my blurred Vision. The beers were delicious and the girls especially enjoyed sampling the stroopwafel that Sebastian had imported especially for the evening.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice. I bet I can just see those Japanese girls going.

[Adam Curry]

I suspect that John, upon seeing the bar and photos, may finally be tipped over the edge to visit Tokyo. I've been there, so I have visited, but not you guys. It's still ridiculously hot here, so we'll raise a glass of Hop Idol and Fat Tug in your honor. Fat Tug. No, that doesn't sound right. As we celebrate your birthday. Thank you for your courage, Sir Mark.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fat Tip Tug. That's a great name for a beer. Oh, wow, I get the long one here. Eric Stuneman, Seneca, IL. 250. Associate Executive Producer Dear Mr. Curry, I hope this message finds you well. My name is Aaron Stoudeman, and my husband and I are big fans of yours. Over the past three years, we revitalized the historic Lumberyard building in Seneca, Illinois. Within this space, now called the Lumberyard, nicely named, we've created a unique coffee shop, retail store, nine professional offices, an art gallery, and community gathering spaces, including our own farmers market. Wow. I want to visit that. Our mission is to spark creativity and connection in a rural town that has has so much untapped potential. One of the opportunities we're exploring is starting a podcast here at the lumberyard as the pod father and someone who has shaped the medium from its earliest days, your insight would mean the world to us. Specifically, we'd love your perspective on Bullet Point one. What makes a podcast born in a small rural community stand out? Answer. Make it about your community. Read notes from your community. Have your community send in stuff. That's how you do it. Don't try to be Joe Rogan. Be about your community. Bullet Point to how best to structure and launch so it uplifts both the voices of our town and listeners beyond it. Focus on your town and launch and tell everybody about it and have those people tell people. And if listeners beyond hear it, then that's great. But focus on your town. Three Pitfalls We Should Avoid as first time Podcasters Building something with something with Local impact okay, for every podcast of The Golden Rules 1. How long should your podcast be until you find yourself boring? Stop at that moment. Second Golden Rule no matter the frequency you release, make it on the same day, around the same time. Whether it's weekly, twice a week, once a month, the same day, the same time. If you don't, people who build their lives around your podcast will miss it, will go look for something else and you may never and they may never come back. Golden Rule number Rule number three Write a newsletter, no matter how short, to tell people that your new episode is dropping the next day. You can also use this to shill for donations. Add a sad puppy from time to time. Those are my three Golden Rules. We greatly value your time and wisdom. We are mailing a check today for $250 as a gesture of thanks for reading and considering our requests. We listen to your February podcast with Joe Rogan. We believe we are vessels for change in our community and your thoughts are appreciated as we explore the best way to get started in bringing a podcast opportunity to our rural community. Thank you for all you've done to make podcasting what it is today. Your vision continues to inspire those of us who believe in the power of voices and stories to connect communities everywhere. Yes, and I wrote a hyper local podcast primer. As John would say on substack, I think it's AdamC 1999 substack. And thank you Aaron for your support and for your note. And when you have the podcast up and running, send me a link and I'll promote it.

[Adam Curry]

That's how easy it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

The a nutshell.

[Adam Curry]

What I meant by that was nobody ever asks Adam ever for his advice.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

But anyone can do it. We don't have to do it on the show. You can call him at home.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, here's my number. 6, 5, 0.

[Adam Curry]

Rita Stekic. Ste 2 3185. Ste. Not sure how to pronounce it, but she did send a sheet in like a month ago that Jay carefully put aside. And we don't encourage this.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you got lucky.

[Adam Curry]

She got lucky. But here she is and she wrote it's handwritten note and I have to. I can do it. I can do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad.

[Adam Curry]

Hi, John and Adam. My name is Rita. Rhymes with Stekcich. Rhymes with message. From Ogden Dunes, Indiana, on the shore of Lake Michigan. The donation is dedicated to my son Tom, who lives, who is, who something who turns 40 on August 31st. Ah, that's a surprise for Tom. Hey, Tom, how you doing?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's Tom. Now I get it.

[Adam Curry]

That's. The amount is 231.85. Tom introduced me to your show. We enjoyed dissecting your discussions. Since this is a first donation that de douching is in order. You've been deuch douched. Please. This is a switcheroo. Put the donation under. His name is Switcheroo. Tom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tom.

[Adam Curry]

He's a busy guy. As a financial analyst, a financial planner, something. A volunteer fireman, EMT and a search and rescue guy. So maybe we got ants, jobs and jobs jingle would be great. We got ants, jobs, jobs. Okay, please add his name to the birthday list. Should be on there, I think, since this is the whole thing. In the future, I plan to donate using the donation button on your site. I hope this will save you more money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Actually checks is the most Chex is the best.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Box 339, El Cerrito, California. No agenda show. Adam's European knowledge and John's boomer perspective and tips are approved. Appreciated. Keep deconstructing the news for at least four more years. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Sincerely, Rita. P.S. please read on. August 31st. And that's what you got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. We did it. All right, Rita. And we'll make sure the switcheroo is in for Tom. Here's your ants, as requested.

[Adam Curry]

I got ants. I got Anthony. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, it's really coming down here right now. Sean Holman is in Noblesville, Indiana to 1911 and he says God's peace and blessings to all. St. Maria Goretti prayer for us. All right, thank you. Lo.

[Adam Curry]

And then somebody's hijacked Linda Lou Patkins account from Lakewood, Colorado.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is this new copy we have?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. Jobs Karma. Well, listen to the greatest podcast in the universe. It shows discerning taste and superior intellect. It's really only appropriate to put your producer credit on resumes. This is because you asked for this. Targeting media, production, entertainment, and of course, podcast podcasting as your SME on resumes. It's important that you have compelling messaging that showcases skills and experience that are most relevant to your target audience. Also, there's a limited real estate on a resume, but it's nice to have it on LinkedIn. For more subject matter expertise, go to ImageMakers Inc.com that's ImageMakers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes, Best Linda.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, I've been reliably informed that SME is pronounced SME for some reason, even though it's subject matter expert and it's an acronym. I've been told it's. It's pronounced smee.

[Adam Curry]

So if you people say smee, I think somebody's putting you on maybe jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, thank you very much to these executive and associate executive producer producers, as always, these are real. These are very real credits. This is just like Hollywood. You can put it anywhere that credits are recognized. It is good on your LinkedIn. It is good on your resume as a SME. Yeah, I'm a subject matter expert in deconstruction from the no Agenda show. I help produce it. Executive producer or associate executive producer. Of course, you can always put it on your IMDb profile. Wait, you don't have an IMDb.com account? Well, you do now because it is official. You can use it. And we thank these executive and associate executive producers. Remember [e-mail] we go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up, Slay.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up, Slayer.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's this friendship thing you had? I always look, whenever you have a sequence of clips, I always want to make sure we get to it because that means you put some work into it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I clipped it and you cut it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You clipped and cut?

[Adam Curry]

I clipped and cut. Yeah, you have to cut. This is an interesting thing about friendships. This was a presentation done on N PR about keeping friends, having friends. And it was so skewed toward the female side of the. Of the universe. They had nobody that knew what they were talking about. It was a pathetic, interesting, but pathetic presentation that I couldn't help but clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

The story that Always comes up is about the cereal tricks.

[Adam Curry]

This morning, a big announcement.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, that's food dyes for some reason. Nice try by the way.

[Adam Curry]

They're so well true timed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't say anything. I'll cut it out. No one will ever notice the difference.

[Adam Curry]

Why do some friendships survive for decades while others fade away? NPR Life hit coast. Marielle Segarra has tips on how to maintain long lasting friendships even in the busy season of your life. Here's a common scenario. You've got this long standing friend who never seems to make an effort to see you.

[John C. Dvorak]

You love them, but you're getting frustrated. This can happen especially if you live far away from each other or you.

[Adam Curry]

Have a lot of responsibilities. Nina Badson, who hosts a podcast about friendship called Dear Nina Conversations About Friendship, says friendships do take effort, but not everyone shows it in the same way. I really believe that we just need to redefine what effort looks like because we all have very different skill sets. And even with an old friend that we know very well, it's still we're all human. And it's still hard not to expect other people to do friendship exactly the way we do, exactly the way it was always done between you and this friend.

[John C. Dvorak]

She says if you find yourself getting.

[Adam Curry]

Frustrated with a friend for this reason, consider the ways they do put in effort. How they always remember your birthday or send you a text on the day of an important doctor appointment or facetime you randomly to check in. Also, she says, consider talking to the friend about how you feel. You could say something like, look, I love the time we spend together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh my goodness, we need instructions on how to be friends.

[Adam Curry]

Friends. Now this is because these people, these liberals, libjos that work at NPR have lost most of their friends.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's it. They had a meeting like, I'm so lonely. Let's do a segment about that. But yeah, but I don't want it to be about me being lonely. Let's talk about friendship.

[Adam Curry]

But no. Have you ever sent anyone a cute little note on the day of their doctor's appointment?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Not a cute little note. I might send a text message to someone who has some kind of issue and they have a doctor's appointment and I will lift them up by saying, hey man, I'm thinking of you, I'm praying for you. Yes, I do that regularly. Not even friends, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

Just people just do it as some sort of routine.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not a routine. It's when I genuinely.

[Adam Curry]

Have you done this before? You found Crime?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

It's the Jesus Christ. Okay, so this is religious.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not religious.

[Adam Curry]

This is part of a new schema. So you didn't. Didn't normally do this? Because I don't know anybody who does this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know a lot of people who do it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're all in that church.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

[Adam Curry]

How horrible I would find. Well, it's not that I would find it offensive that people were spying on me, knowing I was going to the doctor.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. It's only if they told me, like, hey, man, I got this procedure coming up. Like, Mike. Mike is 81. Mike is such a good guy. His eyes are all shot. You know, he's like. He was going for an operation. His eyes were shut for three days. So I sent him a note before, and I sent him a note after. My other buddy, Brent, he went to get his hair transplanted or something. So, you know, and it's.

[Adam Curry]

I hope you get good luck with your hair transplant. No, I would think that was an insulting note.

[John C. Dvorak]

I insulted him once. It was done because they had to shave off part of his hair. So, of course. And, you know, then he's like, stop making me laugh. It hurts. My scalp hurts when I laugh. Yeah. Yes, I do that. Yes, I do. Okay, sorry. Sorry to burst your bubble about me. And by the way, I think I've also checked in on you when you had. When you had your cataract procedure.

[Adam Curry]

No, you didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I hadn't found Jesus, but I will next time. For the next important procedure you have, I'll send you a nice.

[Adam Curry]

I would refuse to broadcast to everybody I know a procedure. Say I was having a. You know, something that had to be done. I wouldn't do that. I had a tooth removed recently.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. If I had known, I would have said, hey, man, I'm.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I wouldn't want that kind of. This is the kind of annoying thing that you've developed these bad, bad habits. Onward to part two. And I don't mind that I make a lot of the plans, but I would like to know that you really want these invitations. And so every so often, if you could initiate one. And it gives a friend the opportunity to say, oh, I'm so glad you said something. I love that you reach out first, because I just can't get myself together to even see on my calendar when I would have a date opening. A conversation can happen then, and you can't have a conversation if you don't bring it up in General Badson finds that the friendships that last share two qualities. One is people don't keep score, or they might keep score, but they check themselves on that. The other quality is that the friends give each other the benefit of the doubt. Like, they assume the best of their friends. Here's what that means. If a friend forgets to text you or they disappear for a spell, remember they probably have a lot of other stuff going on. A lapse in connection doesn't necessarily mean your friendship is over or that they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don'T care about you.

[Adam Curry]

And if they do something that hurts you, understand they probably didn't intend to.

[John C. Dvorak]

And talk with them about it.

[Adam Curry]

When you're ready. There is a quote I love by a former guest of mine. Ruhi Kovel is her name, and she's an educator. She's a relationship coach. And she said there are people who never disappoint us. And those people are called acquaintances.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, see, I think, I think you're barking up the wrong tree here, man. Like, there, there are some people, few, but who I text. We text something every morning. And the other day I didn't text back because I got busy, and then my friend text me, say, hey, brother, I'm just checking in because, you know, I haven't heard from you. Just want to make sure you're okay. I'm like, oh, yeah, no, I, I, I forgot. And sorry, and thanks for checking in on me. And, you know, and I've told you about the poop app. Did I tell you about the poop app?

[Adam Curry]

No, but I'm about to hear about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So when I. Poop app. Yes. So when I, When I was visiting Christina last April, I think it was, she said, dad, dad, dad, you got to join our league. I said, what is this? So this is an app called Poop Map, and every single time you poop, you, you, you hit the button, you drop a poop, and then you make. Make up some funny, Some funny thing like, you know. Well, let me read. Christina just released some underwear. Ranger rainbows. Demure, manure. Took a load off their mind. Just made a grand entrance to the septic soiree. And this is like eight of her friends, and they let me join. And if I forget to register my poop, you know, they, they check in with me. Hey, are you okay? You haven't pooped in the last three days. Yeah, this is, this is the modern friendship, man. This is how it goes. You should get with it. You want to join our league? No. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. I think we found out a Little bit too much.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's great. Hey, it's a great way.

[Adam Curry]

It's great. I just pooped. Hey, guess what it's like. What A bunch of three year olds. Hey, daddy, I pooped in my pants.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, because we. No, because we have. Really?

[Adam Curry]

The.

[John C. Dvorak]

The trick is.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, because of the one liners.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you got to do the one line. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Hey, at least I know my kid is alive. It's good.

[Adam Curry]

Part three. Batson says any long standing friendships are going to require forgiveness and humility. It really requires humility to assume the best because what it. What that means. Assuming the best means I don't know the whole story, so I'm going to assume there's some information I don't have. Okay, one more tip from Padson. One of the greatest gifts you can give to a long standing friend is allowing them to change. Most of us want to be able to develop and change our mind about things. There's not a lot of hope in the world if we have to keep all the same opinions and interests that we had from the time we were, you know, 10 years old, 15, even 20s, even 30s. It's really important to give your friends space, to try different ways of living as you and your friends navigate romantic partnerships, career changes, illnesses, financial ups and downs, births and deaths. Just be there. Love them. Let them be who they are and who they're becoming.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a. This was a total waste of airtime, that's for sure. Like, who needs this if either friends or you're not friends.

[Adam Curry]

There are a bunch of people that have lost a lot of friends to Republicans and now they're trying to say it's okay if they become a Republican. Maybe you can, you know, still say hello.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, bull crap. They're not going to do that. You know that. That's not true.

[Adam Curry]

No, but this is. What. This is wishful thinking. This is the kind of thing you get on NPR now. These people are pathetic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. All right.

[Adam Curry]

And that was the point of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Since it is a.

[Adam Curry]

Although we did find out more than we needed to know.

[John C. Dvorak]

We went from Jesus to the poop map. I don't know, man.

[Adam Curry]

This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

What a show. What a show, Ladies and gentlemen. So you may not play the TikTok three way girl. That's a disgusting clip. You may play any of the other two.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you saw that one?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I saw that one. It's dumb. It's insultingly dumb.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I do have a screwball one. Yeah, by a comedian. The guy, he's not really a comedian, but he's like, this is the bonus clip that you should have gotten.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. I did not know that. You didn't text me. You didn't.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you're right. That was my. You're right, because I haven't sent a bonus clip in for so long, I forgot I was supposed to text you.

[John C. Dvorak]

You didn't send me a note like a good friend would do.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, I've got a bonus.

[Adam Curry]

How's your poop coming?

[John C. Dvorak]

So I got a bonus clip for.

[Adam Curry]

You so you can. You can retrieve it while I explain this.

[John C. Dvorak]

You explain it.

[Adam Curry]

So this guy is a. A. I can't call him a comic, but he's an absurdist, and he uses the concept of reductio ad absurdum to make points, and that. That's a concept that you reduce things to the essence, to the point that it's absolutely absurd. And he does this, and his main thing is to go after transgenders. The whole idea of you're a woman if you say. Say you're a woman identifiers. And so this is one of his better pieces. He's identified as Taylor Swift for a while, but now this is the one where he's identifying. And this is. The guy's name is Josh Selter. And he identified. And you have it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I have it. I was ready to fire it. And then you.

[Adam Curry]

And he said. And he's. And he's a gentleman. Identifies in this case. And he's got all the right memes in here, including the shaking hands. He identifies as an American Indian. I am literally shaking right now. I went to a casino for the first time in my life, and while.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was there, I tried the buffet.

[Adam Curry]

In their wild Caught bison. As I was driving home, my stomach started going crazy. So I stopped at the reservation on the side of the road and ran into the management office. Some lady comes out from behind a desk, and she's like, can I help you, sir? And I said, yeah, I need to use the bathroom. And she's like, are you part of the tribe here? And I explained to her I was assigned the wrong origin at birth, but I identify as Native American, and I go by walking tomahawk. And she was like, wait, so you're a white guy? And I said, excuse me, bigot. Don't dead feather me. And it's like, what is wrong with these trees? Transphobes that they, like, go out of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Their way to mis.

[Adam Curry]

Indigenate us. It's like, what's so hard to understand that Trans Indigenous Native Americans are indigenous Native Americans. Like why do I even have to explain this in 2025 to people? So now I have anywhere to use a bathroom because I'm trans and it's like now I'm suffering in my car.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I have no bathroom that I.

[Adam Curry]

Can use that matches my national origin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because. Because people want to be bigots and mean transphobes. Just be nice people.

[Adam Curry]

Just be nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the sound effect?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's a fart sound, but he's got one of those little devices, it's a handheld one. He's got it off to the. You can't see it but he's. I know he's holding it to the right and it just doesn't sound good. So he could have done a better job. But I liked it. I like the trans indigenate or whatever that was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what he has down and I. This is a pattern I don't have noticed.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is Lily, this woman Lily who's on. Or guy girl. I don't know if the guy could be a complete put on. He's the one who's always bitching and moaning. Looks like a dude with long hair and lipstick and he's always bitching and moaning on, on TikTok for being misgendered and he's always shaking and it's the same and he sounds just like him. And it's, it's a patter. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the, the, the pattern. See if you want to get likes and you want to get lots of comments, you have to talk about how sad you are. This is, I mean sometimes it's about how mad you are. These are a lot of the clips you have. But social media, the success to social media is to view it as a self pity promotion machine. This is what gets you likes. If you go on and say, hey, I'm happy today. Everything's great. You get crickets.

[Adam Curry]

People. This is an interesting observation you're making here. Yeah, this is possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

The self pity promotion machine. Everybody just wants to. Oh, oh, it's okay. You go girl, you'll be okay. Praying for you thoughts and prayers. Everything's great. The sun will come out tomorrow. That and that's why people do it. And it's. And this I think is a big reason why people who are often on social media are perpetuated naturally sad because all they're, they're just dealing with sadness.

[Adam Curry]

All day long because they get more attention being sad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

So it's encouraging.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

This, this approach to life.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And then you get a chat bot and the chat bot will make it even sadder until.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not going to argue against that so far that. Because you're right, most of my clips are something else. In fact, I have. I have a couple. Couple more. But I would like to play this one. This is the. This would be the. The insuperior gal bitching about men being a bunch of stiffs. Men don't have rights. I think that men are just insuperior to women. I think no matter what appears powerful, man will simp to a woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Therefore, a woman in every circumstance in.

[Adam Curry]

Life is superior to a man, any man. If you make more money than me, if you're stronger than me and you're taller than me, you'll still simp for me every single time. So I'm still superior.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you should have stopped with the. The Trans feather guy. This is. This is ridiculous. If you can't see her, it's no good. It just.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you can't see her anyway. No, it's. It's good. The key is her being such a superior being and saying that using the wor word insuperior.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're falling for clickbait, man. This is. This is just. This is not a real person.

[Adam Curry]

I'm glad you. That leads me to the last couple minute play. No, listen to this. This is the new. You talk about marketing pharmaceuticals and all the rest of it through these people and clickbait. This is, I think, an advertising campaign for Chili's. I did some research on the new. They have a new campaign, new campaign manager, new advert, advertising agency, a new marketing director. And this particular TikTok complaint, which kind of looks legit. I think a lot of people believe it. I think is exactly what you're talking about. Oh, this is done. This is taken to a level that is beyond. This is something that you. You have to admire. This is the woman going to leave the country. I think I have to get out of America.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just saw a commercial that was my breaking point.

[Adam Curry]

Point. It's a Chili's commercial. It's not even a political ad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just a Chili's commercial. And I'm. I'm losing my mind. I think I have to leave. I don't think I can be a.

[Adam Curry]

Part of this world in this culture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my God. This is because of a Chili's ass.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, please. Fake.

[Adam Curry]

I think this is. This is design. I don't know why these had some of these clips clip off on TikTok. This is designed to make you think that she's actually upset by a chili ad. And you're going to be on the lookout for the. For what ad could be offensive. I'm telling you, this is a marketing strategy. It's dynamite. I'm going to show my support by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, that'd be fabulous. Well, I personally am very happy that we don't have to deal with any of that nonsense and have meetings about that. Oh my goodness, can you imagine? No, instead we just ask you to support us with your hard earned cash to keep us going on this show and at least complete 18 years. We can go another four if only. Only if you want it. And John will thank the rest of our supporters in Value for value land. $50 and above right now, starting with.

[Adam Curry]

Anonymous in Staten Island. 161. And it's a happy birthday, Adam. 161.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you very much.

[Adam Curry]

Randy O' Rourke in Bradford, Pennsylvania at 105:35. And that's a happy birthday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, so nice.

[Adam Curry]

Kevin McLaughlin, 8008.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's happy birthday, Adam. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's his boob donation. He comes in later with a birthday donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he does? Oh, what a nice guy. He's awesome.

[Adam Curry]

Commodore dubs KM7BPI. BP BPI, is that right? KM7BPI. 73S Springfield, Oregon. 76 7361. This is a ham grip donation or ham. Gigi. I'm sorry. Ham grip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh wait, hold on.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, Gigi. Oh, good lord.

[John C. Dvorak]

There we go.

[Adam Curry]

Today is his mom's birthday. Okay, we got on the birthday list. She's on the birthday list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice.

[Adam Curry]

Commodore Duke, KM78 BPH on the list. Okay, it's BPH, not I because my spreadsheet that cut off the H make it look like an I. Franklin Skepton in Junior in Pennsburg, Pennsylvania. 7313. That's a happy birthday. Janet Allgood in watkins. What? Watkinsville, Georgia. 70 with a note which I don't have.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't have the note either from Janet.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what happened, but this is just. But thanks Janet. And then we have Craig Kohler in Evansville, Indiana. 6502, which is the chip donation. That's. Now the rest of these are birthday donations and I'm going to read them all. There's a 64 30s. These are the ones with the extra money added.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

And then I'm going to go right through the 60 ones. All these are birthday donations for Adam. Starting with Mark Cram in Durham, North Carolina. Who does need a de douching. You've been de douched. Sean Leviton in Oxford, Ohio. Ohio. Dirty Jersey whore, your buddy. Y' all be good. And he is in Dirty Jersey Whores. Not in Jersey at all. But he's in Gladewater, Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a Texan.

[Adam Curry]

Joshua Schmidt in Norwood Young, Norwood, Young, Minnesota. These are all happy birthdays. Mickey Keck in Las Wages, Nevada. And he's got a birthday for Kek Dame. Also on your. Same as you, Jew. Tom Jandron in Clancy, Montana. Angela Wang in Whittier. Kevin McLaughlin. There he is. I told you. Yep, he came in with a second donation. 6430 for Adam's birthday. John Ferretti, Erie, Pennsylvania. Sir Rob in Pinckney, Michigan. And he also has a birthday for himself. He got a lot of birthdays today, I can guarantee here.

[John C. Dvorak]

September 3rd.

[Adam Curry]

Michael Madaloni in Appleton, Wisconsin. Russ Curry in St. Cloud, Florida. Sir Tigger Max in CR von. Tahur Lahar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sandler von At Hillenhar.

[Adam Curry]

Arnheim.

[John C. Dvorak]

Arnhem, is it?

[Adam Curry]

Arnhem? Yeah, right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bridge too far. Arnim.

[Adam Curry]

Commodore Crummy. Oh, Commodore Crummy. He's in El Cajon. David Keyes in Riverside, California. Christina Henry in Deputy, Indiana.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dame Christina Pearl. And Sir Robert Charles. You know Dame Christina, of course. Our Southwest flight attendant.

[Adam Curry]

Ryan Tepperton in Burnsville, Minnesota. Sir Brent in California. Castle Rock, Colorado. Dame Rita in Sparks. She came in. She'd be at the top of the list usually, but she's coming in with the 61 instead. We lost money, so you cost us money.

[John C. Dvorak]

We lost money on the deal.

[Adam Curry]

We lost money on that one. Ryle Davis in Gloversville, New York. And that concludes our list of happy well wishers. Now we go to Jamie Buell in Vista, Colorado, with 6 0, along with Les Tarkowski and Kingman. 6006. Sarah McMillan in Sydney, Montana. 5798. Lisa Mikowski in Sarasota, Florida. 5252. She makes a note here, but the Bill Gates Butter episode was one of the funniest I've heard in a while. Bill Gates Butter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Bobby Bush. Bobby.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bobby Vaseline is what you said. That was great. That was funny.

[Adam Curry]

Bobby Bow in Bluegrass, Iowa, as 50. Oh, now we're at the $50 donor. So let's just go through them one after the other. Leif Thompson in Meridian, Idaho. Nathan Noel in Nederland, Texas. Nederland. Nederland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Clarence Clarence Clark in Jacksonville Beach.

[John C. Dvorak]

Terrence Clark.

[Adam Curry]

Clark. What did I say?

[John C. Dvorak]

Clarence.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, hey, Clarence. Joshua Johnson in Omaha, Nebraska. Tony Lang in Castle Pines, Colorado. Scott McCarty in Lodi, Jordan Tierney in Orel, South Dakota, and parts unknown is Sir Mix. Actually, he's a bitcoin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bitcoin donation.

[Adam Curry]

It's a bitcoin donation. So a whole $50.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says, here's some SATs for when your stable coins get. Get turned off. One of these days, I plan on doing a tour of America and visiting every single one of these places. I mean, who wouldn't want to go to Bluegrass, Iowa? Who wouldn't want to go to Sydney, Montana? Who wouldn't want to go to Coeur d' Alene or Pinckney, Michigan? Come on, man, we should do that. We should do a tour. You and me, baby. Motorcycle.

[Adam Curry]

I've already been to Coeur d'. Alene.

[John C. Dvorak]

A motorcycle with a silver sidecar.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that would. That looks about right. Who.

[John C. Dvorak]

He'd be a hoot. Thank you to these producers. We really appreciate that. There's no 49.99 today, but no one under 50 is ever mentioned for reasons of anonymity, of course. A lot of people on the sustaining donations. A lot of 33.33 is highly appreciated. You can go to noagendadonations.com and support us with any amount anytime you want. Anytime you feel you got value from the show, just send it back. Noah jinthadonations.com thank you very much. And also thanks once again to our executive and associate executive producers. Noah jinthedonations.com and we kick it off with Sir Scott the Jew who says happy birthday to Marty Moskovitz. He turned 73 on the 29th. Rita, her son Tom, he turned 40, turns 40 today. Happy birthday, Tom. Sir Brent turns 52 on my birthday, September 3rd. Commodore dubs wishes his mom, Leslie Walker, a happy one. Mickey Keck. Happy birthday to Joyce Keck, dame of the otr. Sir Rob of Pikmy is celebrating his birthday. And Dame Janet and sir island dogs. Happy birthday to Baron and cece from Greensboro, Georgia. She is turning 70 years old. And we say happy birthday from everybody here. The best podcast cast in the universe. Yes, we have an entire peerage ladder here. Once you're a knight or a dame, you can keep climbing the ladder. Every additional thousand dollars in aggregate, of course, that you send automatically gets you up to the next level. And sarcastic, the nomad becomes a baron. And we say, happy birthday. Happy birthday. We say congratulations to him on his title change in the no Agenda. Peerage ladder. And we have a couple of them today. Please welcome them in. All hail to the Secretary General. Cause they are the ones who need hailing. All hail to the Secretary Generals on the no Agenda. That's right. We have a number of Secretary Generals to congratulate. Anybody can become a Secretary General. But it is a real official title. Just like Mark Ruther, the Secretary General of NATO. You can become whatever you want. And we congratulate Sir Scoffy. Sir Sharkey, who will be the Secretary General of the Salish Sea. Scott Rediker, who will be the Secretary General of Cascade County. Sarcastic, the Nomad Secretary General. Name to be determined. And Kerry Kunkel. All of you are now officially Secretary Generals of the no Agenda Show. Welcome them all in once again. All hail to the Secretary Generals. Cause they are the ones who need hailing. All hail to the Secretary General. And we have two knights to welcome up onto the podium today. So there is my sword if you've got a blade, John.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. Ooh, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's a nice one. Nice one. Commodore Sharkey, come on over. And Matt, both of you have supported the show in the amount of $1,000 or more. That means I get to pronounce the K the officially as Sir Sharkey, Secretary General General of the Sailor Sea. And Sir Matt. Gentlemen, for you we have Hookers and Blow Rent Boys and Chardonnay, Bong hits and a double IPA by special request. Also with that we've got beer and blunts. We've got Ruben esque, Women in Rose. We have Geishas and Sake, Vodka and vanilla. Along with the ipa we also have some bong hits with some bourbon, sparkling cider and Escorts, Ginger ale and gerbils. Breast milk and pablum, Cowgirls and Coffin Barns, Organic macaroni and plasticizers. And of course we always have the mutton and the mead. Now for the Secretary General's. I believe you can go to knowagenderings.com. soon there will be the order form to have your very official certificate. No, it's a different word. Your proclamation of your Secretary Generalship will be able to order there with the name that you want, the address you want it sent to. And of course for our brand new knights, you can go there, take a look at your no agenda ring which will be coming to you. It is a signet ring. So. So that means you always receive some sticks of wax to seal your important correspondence. And we always have a certificate of authenticity there for you as well. Welcome both of you. To the roundtable of no Agenda Knights and dames.

[Adam Curry]

No Agenda meetups.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, baby. The no Agenda Meetups. Everyone knows all about them. We are the only podcast that has this level of meetups, this level of organization. No agenda meetups.com, where you can schedule them, you can find them. This is where you find protection, because that's what connection always gives you. These people that you meet at the meetups will be your responders in an emergency, your first responders. And as always, Leo Bravo is out in California. He has flight of the no agendas number 66. A lot of people showed up. Hey, everybody, it's Leo Bravo at meetup number 66. I'm passing a phone around in the morning down here at the HMS Bounty at flight of no agenda number 66. Can't wait for 666.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, John. Body warm. Bobby here. Our first meetup. My two human resources, Bella and Uriah. Wasn't sure if I was gonna be able to make it out here because Kamala told me not to come. I looked her square in the eye and I said, I'm gonna come. I'm passing the mic down to my daughter.

[John C. Dvorak]

First, Isabella, donate to no agenda.

[Adam Curry]

And my son, Uriah.

[John C. Dvorak]

God save the queen, man.

[Adam Curry]

And if I could do a quick shout out to my coworker. He's a longtime douchebag listening your show for 13 years and has never donated a red cent. His name's Sean Sabuski. For douchebag, call out. Hey, John and Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir leakim fop here in the communist stronghold of Los Angeles. And I not stepped on any poop today. Sir Robertson Asoosticks here, having a great time with everyone. I drove down four and a half.

[Adam Curry]

To actually close to five hours for this meetup, and I'm happy to be here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you, everyone in the morning. Love the dedication of the flight of the no Agendas out there in southern California. Here's the Local360 meetup in the morning from the vault in Blaine, Washington. This is dame J, protector of the pandas. Hi, my name is Annalise, and I served the no agenda podcast today. And they were, you know, absolutely horrible. I'm just kidding. They were amazing. They were a blast. And I hope they enjoyed being here as much as I am here.

[Adam Curry]

So there you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi, this is Alan, AKA circumcision, where I can see socialism from my day. Not a spook, but they frequently come.

[Adam Curry]

Here, and I can't see anything else.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir Ryan. Ryan the refiner here, deconstructing news and constructing Friendship in the morning. This is Travis in the morning. Not a night, but not a douchebag. We'll keep working on it. This is Jason and I'm glad to be here. It's been a year since we've had one of these so we got to get these more frequent. Thank you very much. In the morning and our last meetup report. Nice to have the server in there as well. Remember to get your servers in these meetup reports. This is the unofficial master Mastricht meetup. Very small. Hi John and Ellen. This is the unofficial Maastricht meetup report. I joined one other producer.

[Adam Curry]

Here is Roland in the morning. This is Roland connectionist protection.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also listen to R a n D U M B thoughts.com online in the morning. And still coming. We got some meetups taking place. Actually we have one taking place right now. The annual South Jersey Pig Roast. It's a Dane Wen's house in Medford Lakes, New Jersey. I can't wait to hear hear the meetup reports from that. On my birthday, September 3rd, Huntsville area meetup, 6 o' clock at the Old Bear Brewing in Madison, Alabama. On Thursday, our next show day, the northern wake September Soiree, 6 o' clock at Hoppy Endings in Raleigh, North Carolina. And on Thursday the 4th as well, the Houston Lazy Dog monthly meetup 6:30 at Lazy Dog Restaurant and Bar in Houston, Texas. Many more meetups to come including the 7th in Hofdorp, the Netherlands. South Slocum, British Columbia, Canada on the 8th. On the 13th Keyport, New Jersey Oakland, California the 19th Tilburg in the Netherlands on the 20th Bedford, Texas Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 30th, all the way through into October on the 10th. Johnson City, Texas, not far from Fredericksburg where we'll have a meetup on the 11th. I will be there along with Tina the keeper. I hope that's it. No agendameetups.com go there to find out all about the meetups. Where they will be taking place in your town. If they're not anywhere near you, start one yourself. It's easy. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You want to be where you won't be triggered on Hell Lame. You want to be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I can't believe this happened. I have no ISO and I don't think you have one either.

[Adam Curry]

No, but I have a song.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have a song?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You won't find it just by looking. It's the Kilmar is our Neighbor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kilmar is our neighbor. You can have him. Tr.

[Adam Curry]

No, Kilmar is our neighbor. Neighbor. You can have him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Try. That's horrible. We can't.

[Adam Curry]

You haven't heard that yet?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. I don't even know what it means.

[Adam Curry]

Kilmar Albergo Garcia is our neighbor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This is not an end of show ISO.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Well, go dig into the archives. You only have a million of these things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's try this one. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you. You.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. Got that one? I got. I have feelings. Is that.

[Adam Curry]

There it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I have feelings. It is. And now, everybody, it's time once again for John's illustrious tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is the screwball one. But I have to say it's dynamite. Tip of the day. Black garlic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Black garlic. That sounds nasty.

[Adam Curry]

So black garlic. And you can buy it by the. By the. By the bulb. And you can also. There's different versions also they make a paste out of it. So black garlic. I knew about it, but I was forced to try. Try it. And Mimi's a big fan of this stuff because she claims. And she's got one of those bracelets on it measures everything she does. Blood pressure, oxygen. She says, you take this, you eat the black garlic and your blood pressure drops like a rock. But besides the medical aspect, black garlic, which turns out to be. Because I was irked by it when I tried it. I said, this is unbelievable. You get a clear clove, you pull a garlic clove out and you eat it. It tastes like chocolate. It's black, it has the texture of roasted garlic, but it doesn't taste anything like garlic. And it was. And I said, this is. I was so irked by trying it, I said, I'd like to supposed dilettante, gourmet. I should have known about this years ago. It turns out it's only invented in 2004 in Korea. But further research indicates it comes from a 4,000 year old idea, a recipe that some guy rediscovered in 2004 about how to ferment garlic. And it's a fermented garlic in the. In the bulb, within the bulb. And you need special temperatures and pressures and everything in between to get it to work. And you. And it's not necessarily cheap. You get like a couple of bulbs, cost about six bucks, seven bucks maybe. And you take. And you just. You can eat it or you can mix it with stuff. It would be good spread on bread with avocado toast, you know, it's just, it's an astonishing. It tastes a little like chocolate. It's got a gorgeous texture. It is a fabulous thing that I would have never had unless I was forced to try it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gorgeous texture. It's just fabulous.

[Adam Curry]

It's fabulous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Super gay. I don't know what's up with that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it just was amazing.

[John C. Dvorak]

So who, who and how was this 4,000 year old recipe codified? And what was it written on stone? Was it in hieroglyphics?

[Adam Curry]

It was, somebody dug it as a Korean research researcher found this recipe, I suppose and they passed it along. It's this guy, some guy perfected how to make it in Korea because it's a process. You can do it at home, at home. But it's like, don't. Wow. It's just too much work. It takes a, it's. I mean you can do fermentations at home and you could do cabbage and different pickles and things. But it, in fact this takes very specialized temperatures and, and pressures and there.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is, another awesome food. Tip of the day. As part of the tip of the day, find them [e-mail].

[Adam Curry]

Fabulous. Fabulous. And sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just fabulous.

[Adam Curry]

I tell you, it's fabulous.

[John C. Dvorak]

So fabulous. My, oh my, oh my. Yeah, that's it everybody for our broadcast day on this holiday weekend in America, Labor Day weekend. And guess what? As a public service service, we're working for you because we love you. Join my league up next on NoaGendastream.com well, it was promoted in the meetup report random thoughts, episode 334. So you can enjoy that. And we do have some classic end of show mixes since we didn't have any new ones. We've got Garrett Gary with the classic Korean news screamer. We've got Phantomville with the tick tocks and Spencer Pearson who's very optimistic about everything. And we will return on Thursday with another at least three hours of media deconstruction for you. And I'm coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country where it is thundering and very, very wet in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from Roger Silicon Valley where it's kind of and nice out, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

See y' all on Thursday. Please remember [e-mail] until then, adios mofos. And such young. That's right. Tik tok. Tick tock. Tick tock.

[Adam Curry]

Tick tock. Tick tock. Tick tock.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tick tock. Tick tock. Tick tock.

[Adam Curry]

TikTok. TikTok, TikTok.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. That's right. Tick tock.

[Adam Curry]

I am a real genuine optimist and I see nothing but this. None of this is good. None of this is good. None of this is good. I am an optimist. None of this is good. I'm not hanging out with you. We do this show. I mean, come on. It's never going to be anything interesting. None of this is good. You're a starry eyed optimist. You actually think that things are going to change. None of this is good. I'm not hanging out with you. We do this show. I mean, come on. It's never going to be anything interesting. None of this is good. You're a starry eyed optimist. You actually think that things are going to change. None of this is good. I am a real genuine optimist.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's bull.

[Adam Curry]

We do this show. You actually think that things are going to change.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm expecting way too much. I know.

[Adam Curry]

But I'm not hanging hanging out with you because you are an optimist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up. Shut up.

[Adam Curry]

I am a real, genuine optimist.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's bull.

[Adam Curry]

We do this show. You actually think that things are gonna change.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm expecting way too much. I know.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not hanging out with you because you are an optimist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up. Shut up. Hey, you know what? I'm gonna end the show. The best podcast in the universe I have. Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org na. I have feelings.