1799 - "Taproot"

Summary

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No Agenda Show – Episode 1799 "Taproot"

September 14, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Episode Overview

This episode of the award-winning No Agenda Show delves into the fallout and mysteries surrounding the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the behavior and response of major media outlets, and the deeper societal, political, and international narratives being pushed in the aftermath. Adam and John dissect both the facts and the coded language emerging in media coverage and explore possible puppet masters directing the show. They also launch Adam's new "Anglo-Dutch" theory of global manipulation. The show remains true to its trademark mix of skepticism, wit, deep dives, media deconstruction, and the occasional rabbit hole.

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Key Themes & Discussions

1. Media Avoidance and Deconstruction Post-Assassination

• Mainstream media, especially Fox, is accused of dodging the controversial elements of the Charlie Kirk assassination, particularly any discussion involving the transgender roommate and political motivations ([00:56], [17:07], [19:15]).
• Adam and John highlight how talking points are dropped or edited to avoid controversy, pointing out the suspicious avoidance of certain facts in ABC and Fox reporting ([20:19], [24:03]).
• Quote:

  "They are avoiding this topic like the plague." — Adam Curry, [00:56]

2. Coded Language, Motifs, and "33" Symbolism

• The repeated mention of "33 hours" by officials is identified as suspicious "code" or signaling, part of a media pattern that the hosts have tracked for years ([03:52]-[05:36]).
• Quote:

  "The 33s that got me right away. I'm like, okay, yeah, the 33 is a problem." — Adam Curry, [22:06]

3. Misinformation, Social Consequences & Free Speech Hypocrisy

• The show's media analysis extends to the consequences of speech on social media, as several public employees (councilmen, firefighters, teachers) face firings for their online comments about Kirk's death ([08:48]-[13:49]).
• Adam and John underline the selective outrage and shifting standards of what is "acceptable" opinion, especially when it comes to violence or death of public figures.

4. Media's Narrative Construction: Demonizing Opponents & Valorization of Violence

• The hosts play supercuts of cable news voices and guests, especially from MSNBC and PBS, who equate MAGA and Republicans with Nazis, terrorists, or cult members ([13:49]-[16:35]).
• They critique the rhetoric of dehumanizing political opponents, tying it into a broader historical pattern and the susceptibility of educators and children to media narratives.
• Quote:

  "That MAGA symbol has come to represent something. It is the new Nazi symbol. It is the New hood." — Guest on MSNBC supercut, [13:49]

5. Taproot: A Metaphor & Its Origins

• A key discussion involves the use of the term "taproot" on CBS by a professor described as associated with intelligence operations. Adam and John trace its origins from botany into possible intel and tech slang, suspecting coded use in the media (from [36:05]).
• Quote:

  "This is really the taproot and that's why we expect this, left to its own devices, will get worse and be with us for 10 years." — CBS Guest, [34:39]

6. Polarization, Doxxing, and the New "Peril"

• They explore the rise of public doxxing campaigns, including from right-wing activists targeting educators or public sector employees. The discussion includes analysis from Cynthia Miller-Idris of the PERIL lab, reflecting how both sides use shame, ostracism, and economic sanction for online speech ([58:23]-[68:41]).
• The conversation also covers how leaders and academic experts frame the moment as one of unprecedented polarization and violence, but Adam and John challenge comparisons to the genuine unrest of the 1960s–70s ([31:23]).

7. Blame-Shifting: Political Violence and Root Causes

• The hosts critique the academic framing of political violence—often blamed on "populism," the Internet, or demographic/racial change instead of looking critically at all sides ([29:17]-[34:39]).
• They call out the inconsistency and historical amnesia in these analyses, noting how much more violent past decades have been than the current period.

8. Discursive Operations and the "Anglo-Dutch" Hypothesis

• Adam introduces a new ongoing thesis: that the real “taproot” of anti-American destabilization comes not from the overt Deep State or globalists, but from European (Anglo-Dutch) monarchy/oligarchical systems ([86:46]-[93:25], [97:00]-[100:49]).
• He ties this into banking, historical media/propaganda operations, and modern events from financial scandals to war-mongering.
• Quote:

  "Trump isn't just fighting globalists. He's taking on the European monarchy and oligarchy, led by the British monarchy and its Dutch and European partners." — Susan Kokinda, Prometheus Action, [87:54]

• John plays along, supporting the new crackpot (in the show’s tradition) theory as a worthy, long-running investigative angle.

9. World Events: NATO, Energy Wars, and British/EU Politics

• Updates on Trump’s foreign policy posturing—particularly around NATO oil buying, ‘trolling’ the Europeans, and the suggestion of a new American-led financial/energy order to undercut the Europe-centric system ([101:01]-[106:17]).
• The segment covers current French and British political unrest, probing for links to the broader "systemic" manipulations outlined above.

10. Social Media, Censorship, and Blame Games

• US politicians and pundits, including Utah’s Governor Spencer Cox and Mayor Pete Buttigieg, are featured attacking social media as the cause of radicalization and violence, with underlying calls for censorship ([119:08]-[136:05]).
• Adam and John warn that this media agenda is likely a prelude to digital IDs and increased state control over speech.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (W/Timestamps)

• On the 33-hour “code”

  "So it's code." — Adam Curry, [05:53]
  "Of course it's code." — John C. Dvorak, [05:55]

• On the media’s sanitized reporting

  "They pulled out the whole trans shooter thing." — John C. Dvorak, [24:03]

• On academic taproots and media messaging

  "'Taproot' pops up in intelligence and network context... It's slang for a covert command hub in espionage nets." — AI assistant, [38:21]

• On digital blame and social media

  "I believe that social media has played a direct role in every single assassination and assassination attempt that we have seen over the last six years." — Spencer Cox, [132:08]

• On Anglo-Dutch influence

  "If there has been a destabilizing factor throughout certainly the last ten years, but maybe forever... it's the Anglo-Dutch system." — Adam Curry, [91:36]

• On teachers and MSNBC

  "She watched MSNBC religiously. It was her church. So this is what's happening." — John C. Dvorak, [16:35]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Media’s Avoidance & Code-Speak – [00:56] – [07:47]
• Popular Reactions & Doxxing – [09:03] – [13:49]
• Media Rhetoric Supercut – [13:49] – [16:35]
• ABC/Fox News Editing – [19:28] – [24:03]
• Academic Blame Game / Taproot – [29:35] – [34:39]
• Anglo-Dutch "System" / New Crackpot Theory – [86:46] – [93:25], [97:00] – [100:49]
• Political Violence: Past vs. Present – [31:23] – [32:17]
• Social Media & Censorship Narrative – [119:08] – [136:12]
• Tip of the Day (ASI 502 RTV Sealant) – [195:09] – [197:24]

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Tone & Style

Adam and John maintain a mix of irreverence, dark humor, and deep skepticism—poking fun at both the absurdities of media reporting and the larger narratives being woven in society. Their exchanges are freewheeling, frequently looping callers, guests, or media personalities into running gags, and always finding new crackpot theories to investigate.

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Conclusion

No Agenda 1799 is densely packed with clips, analysis, and deconstruction, centered around the meaning and manipulation of the Charlie Kirk assassination story—and what it reveals about American media, political speech, and global power. With new conspiracy-theory directions and the usual media cynicism, Curry and Dvorak keep listeners thinking, laughing, and, as always, just a little bit more skeptical of the official story.

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For New Listeners:

If you want unvarnished, often uncomfortable, and always entertaining media analysis, listen to No Agenda. This episode showcases the hosts at their best—relentlessly questioning, connecting dots, and putting everything (and everyone) on the table, all with the expectation that you’ll make up your own mind.

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Transcript

[Adam Curry]

So they're bombing the public relations department. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Sunday, September 14, 2025. This is your award winning give on Asian Media Assassination Episode 1799.

[Adam Curry]

This is no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got the magic number. And we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where. Wait, wait. The roommate was a trance named twig. What? I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crackpot and buzzkill in the morning. Yeah, this whole thing smells bad, Mr. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I know a couple of things that are obvious. Fox and I have this clip from this morning I sent as a bonus clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, you got.

[Adam Curry]

They are avoiding this topic like the plague.

[John C. Dvorak]

Foxes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I, I don't think it's gonna last long. But, but Howard Kurtz's show, you know his, he does a kind of a clone on the media. He's like one of the media guys. He comes on once a week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Deconstructive media.

[John C. Dvorak]

Does he do that on the weekend? I don't think I've ever seen him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, only weekends. Okay. It's like Sunday only. I don't even think he does a Saturday show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And so it kind of came up in the conversation. Man, they, they, this is the clip. TG this. They went so far. They just said they just dropped this like a hot potato. Nobody wants to talk about it at Fox. Meghan, do the media need to know this? Whether he, the report is that he was rooming with a transgender person or is that just, you know, something to glom onto? Because then we can blame it on the other side where I said earlier, you know, all Democrats are out for murder. That kind of like painting with a broad brush.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

I don't necessarily think we need to know the murder. I think he was mentally unstable and I think he committed murder, which is horrendous and unnecessary on a basic level. But I think that we're always going to find people who don't like our views, whether or not they're moderate, whether or not they're left, or whether or not they're to the right. I got a threat on Friday. I'm a very moderate Democrat who comes on Fox, who comes on all the stations and is very moderate. I should not be getting threats in my social media. But we do. I'm sure you get them literally on Friday. I'm sure you get them and we all get them. I don't Care what their motives are. They shouldn't be violent. We should. It shouldn't matter. You should have the freedom to say what you want to say. That's end of story. That's our democracy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this, I think this is a part of something else. I believe that all of the networks on all sides of the same spectrum as they all are, really have all gotten the message. We've got to calm it down because we're all somehow responsible for this. And you don't want to get fired because people are getting fired left and right right now, only left. But I think right is coming and the media has gotten some message to tamp it all down and not blame it on a side. At least that's what it seems like to me.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, the funny thing out here, it's kind of just completely dissipated from the. The whole thing is gone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, No, I mean, I'm looking at the, at the quad screen and Fox is talking to Mike Johnson for the past 48 hours.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. That's got to be high entertainment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's. I have, I have a couple of clips from this morning. I mean, the guy's making the rounds. But, but before we do that, everybody was waiting for Saturday. You know, we had the, oh, you know, the FBI. You got a press conference 20 minutes late. We're looking at the empty stage. We've got a, we got the four minute warning. We got the two minute warning. Okay, it's coming. And then we got this.

[Adam Curry]

In 33 hours, we have made historic progress for Charlie. Wow. In less than 36 hours. 33 to be precise. You know, that is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. There's one more. Yes. Yeah, let me play all three. Just so you get it all in context. These are in linear fashion.

[Adam Curry]

In 33 hours, we have made historic progress for Charlie. In less than 36 hours. 33, to be precise.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bad stuff happens.

[Adam Curry]

And for, for 33 hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why the laughter? The laugh tale from the governor of Utah was the weirdest one as he turns around and looks at Cash Patel and says, for bad stuff happens.

[Adam Curry]

And for, for 33 hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is up with that? This was. Tina comes in from the bathroom. She's like, what is going on? I'm like, well, for almost 18 years we've been tracking this and we can't.

[Adam Curry]

Now all of a sudden, to no avail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, true, but it's always, always something up with this. And what was the emphasis? You could have said, in less than 48 hours, a little over 24, less than a day. And a half. No, 33. 33. 33. This bugged me to no end.

[Adam Curry]

Well, actually, the best of the group was. He said 36, and then he corrected it to 33.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, in less than 36. 33, to be exact.

[Adam Curry]

And which is bull crap, because we all know anyone who's ever worked for a living or done anything, you can't pinpoint your success at a certain number of exact hours. To be exact. That's not even possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. So this was.

[Adam Curry]

So it's code.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course it's code. And all of the stuff that's coming out and the information that's from sources, because, mind you, I don't think there's been an official FBI notice. Has this person even been officially charged yet? Because on Saturday, Kash Patel was very clear. We have 36 hours to file charging document. So this person hasn't even officially been charged, as far as I know. The whole thing stinks. We were at. There was a big benefit concert last night for, you know, for the flood victims. Trace Atkins. And if you've never seen Trace Atkins, man, that guy is good. But my buddy Mike, the sheriff, he was in charge of a lot of the security there, and he came right up to me, said, adam, we. You know, I guess they may have some inside knowledge. I don't know if Gillespie County Sheriff's Office gets that or not. But he said, seems unlikely, but okay, they talk. You know, people talk. And so whatever talk there is, I'm just passing it on. He says, one, no way. He says, no way this went down the way they're saying it. And then another thing, which I found curious. He says, we've got a video with. With audio of two shots that I'm like, okay, well, send. He hasn't sent it to me yet, but I said, send it to me. I'd love to hear that.

[Adam Curry]

But it could also be. It could be a ricochet.

[John C. Dvorak]

It could be an echo, but no echo. But it's not like these guys don't know what that sounds like. So the whole thing was. Everything's off about it. And, you know, it just. You know, we've got the etchings on the casing, which we still have not seen. We've only heard about it, and we have.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Where's the photo?

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

At least with the other guy. They showed us, you know, his video showing all the etchings and commentary. They showed it and put it online.

[John C. Dvorak]

Almost like that was predictive programming. You know, it's like, well, it'll be just like that. You saw it. You saw. With that other guy. So, you know, it's the same here. The whole thing is just.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's one of those things we can't do anything about except note it. Well, because we don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. But it. But it leaves so much open. And I think that's exactly the point.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I mentioned that in the newsletter yesterday, which is that this could lead, especially if something happens to this character.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Which. How.

[Adam Curry]

They were screwed.

[John C. Dvorak]

How likely is that?

[Adam Curry]

Gee, I'd be stunned.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so we'd be stuck with this kind of speculation forever. This is like a real time sink.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's interesting about this particular case is the amount of stories coming out about people getting fired for their response online. And I just. I just pulled one story from Ohio, which actually has three stories in it.

[Adam Curry]

Just because you have a computer or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Phone handy doesn't mean you can say whatever you want.

[Adam Curry]

Monroe Falls City Council vice president John.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Impelizarry is feeling the heat after post criticizing Charlie Kirk, saying in part, quote.

[Adam Curry]

The world is a better place now that he's gone.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

End quote.

[Adam Curry]

And 19 News has confirmed a Cleveland.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Firefighter and EMS staff member are under.

[Adam Curry]

Internal investigation after the city was made aware of social media activity. Cleveland attorney Danny Karan says the First Amendment protections are not limitless. There's certain restrictions on the First Amendment, but as it concerns kids, teachers, whomever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Popping off, council, people popping off online.

[Adam Curry]

Saying awful, incendiary things, not real smart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why?

[Adam Curry]

Because a lot of us have codes of conduct or codes of ethics that control our work experiences.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

You may be surprised to learn it does not matter if you're a government employee or work for a private company.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, all the reports are similar to this. It's like they keep talking about this thing called free speech, which I'm not sure what that is. It's just, you know, what used to be called freedom of speech is now just free speech. Like, you know, what to pay. It's like a podcast. It's free. You have to pay for it. It's free. Free speech. And that this is. They're kind of turning it into a debate about, you know, well, I have the right to say whatever I want to say, which is. Is ludicrous. But the reason this is interesting is these city council people, other officials, like in the fire department, people at schools. The reason they said this stuff is because they clearly thought. Everybody agrees. This is what's so eye opening.

[Adam Curry]

Can you hear me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Can you not hear me?

[Adam Curry]

No, it's my Fault. You know, this thing goes mutes itself. I was just going to say in that list of people that you were talking about, you know who else got nailed?

[John C. Dvorak]

Who?

[Adam Curry]

George Conway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really interesting.

[Adam Curry]

George Conway posted a picture comparing Charlie Kirk to some eugen Nazi from the 30s and had a picture of them side by side. And he's just getting blessed. And this is, you know, every time I see this character who's just a lunatic, how did he ever hook up with Kellyanne Conway who is a power baby.

[John C. Dvorak]

Political power. He had political power at the time. That's what it was.

[Adam Curry]

But the other thing, she was an idiot.

[John C. Dvorak]

But let's just go back to the point I'm trying to make here is that they clearly thought it was okay to post this. Whatever the post was, it varied from well, yeah, he said that some victims would have to fall defending the second amendment to good riddance. All these. But I'm convinced that these people truly believed that everybody around them had the same opinion.

[Adam Curry]

Well, wait, wait. You had a thing about pre programming earlier in your commentary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes.

[Adam Curry]

How about Luigi?

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

There's the pre programming. Because everybody was all in love with Luigi and that nobody got burned for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Ah, very good point. Very good point. Huh? Isn't that interesting?

[Adam Curry]

Well, and these guys are getting burned. Really? The Libsa tic tac girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

She has been posting one teacher after. Because she, you know, she really goes after teachers, one teacher after another who have posted some nasty stuff and names the school and everything. Well, well. And she always finishes with the same line. Do you want this person teaching your children?

[John C. Dvorak]

Doesn't that prove the point that the entire education system believes that this was okay, this is okay. But everybody agree? Hey, if you could come back and kill baby Hitler in a time machine, wouldn't you do it? Well, sure I would. Which brings me to the supercut. I've got a better one than the one we just kind of hastily patched together on on Thursday. This is primarily msnbc. Primarily. But it's not just talking heads, it's the guests. It's captains of industry. Of course, Nancy Pelosi's in there as well. And when you listen to it in this context of just a supercut, you go, well, yeah, of course I would come back and kill baby Hitler and Goering and Goebbels and every single one of the Hitlers, which, well, listen, we.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Have to start calling his supporters. Supporters racist as well. That MAGA symbol has come to represent something. It is the new Nazi symbol. It is the New hood.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they're not a party, right? They're Sinn Fein to the ira. They're, they're the PLO to Hamas. They're a dime store front for a terrorist movement.

[Adam Curry]

The Republican Party is basically a domestic terrorist cell at this point, and they should be treated as such. There are elements of the GOP that are starting to look like the jihadists. Not a political party. They're a white nationalist movement. They're a fascist threat to our nation.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

That's not hyperbolic, that's academic.

[Adam Curry]

Would have once seemed hyperbolic, but it increasingly does feel like the Republican Party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Has become a death cult and it's.

[Adam Curry]

All about Donald Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

There is no alternative right now because the Republican Party project today is a fascist authoritarian project.

[Adam Curry]

Fact is, Republicans in Congress are still in the grip of the ultra maga agenda. Party of dupes, party of knuckleheads, party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of weirdos, party of freaks.

[Adam Curry]

So that is a simple, simple message.

[John C. Dvorak]

And underneath that, it's the party of nothing. It has become an authority authoritarian embracing cult.

[Adam Curry]

It is fascist.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

We take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. And sadly, the domestic enemies to our voting system and our honor and our Constitution are right. At 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, with their allies in the Congress of the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump's modern day SCAPO is scooping folks.

[Adam Curry]

Up off the streets. They're in unmarked vans, wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons. No chance to mount a defense, not even a chance to kiss a loved one goodbye. Just grabbed up by masked agents shoved into those vans, the old films of.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Gestapo, grabbing, grabbing people off the streets of Poland. And you compare them to those nondescript thugs who grabbed that, that student, that graduate student.

[Adam Curry]

It does look like a Gestapo operation, because if we just roll this clock.

[John C. Dvorak]

On the wall back 75 years, we'd be looking at a time in Nazi Germany where people ran around with signs, like this new ICE sign that says, report all foreign invaders to ice. With Uncle Sam there holding up the sign. This could have been a Gestapo member 75 years ago. Report all Jews, cults of authoritarian personality in league with autocrats and kleptocrats and dictators all over the world and taking.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Direct aim at our democracy. Autocratic leaning remarks he has made in recent weeks and months, such as ones that echo Hitler. Hitler in 1933 was talking about his designs on America and Hitler described, you could get Americans to give up their own democracy and to be ready for a fascist takeover. It's a disaster. We need Extreme measures.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, it's not that all the kids in the world are watching msnbc, but, you know, every single teacher is, because remember the liberal school teacher from Austin who we used to hang out with, who we don't anymore? She watched MSNBC religiously. It was her church. So this is what's happening.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, that's why they had to. That's why Brian Roberts, the CEO of Comcast, who owns msnbc, had to spin it off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he wanted out. By the way, I have the Fox. Actually, this might have been the last moment that Fox News talked about the. The trans. Part of this story. Breaking FOX News Alert. FBI sources tell Fox News Digital that the man charged with assassin. Okay, so the FBI sources. FBI sources. Who do they call? Fox Digital. Really? That's who they call. Wouldn't they be calling Hannity? No, we're calling it. Hey, boys, let's leak some information. Let's call Fox Digital.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Fox News Alert sources tell Fox News.

[John C. Dvorak]

Digital that the man charged with assassinating Charlie Kirk was living with a transgender partner. Bureau officials confirmed that Tyler Robinson was in a romantic relationship with someone transitioning from male to female. They say that individual is fully cooperating with their investigation, claims to have had no idea of Robinson's plans and is not currently accused of any criminal activity activity. Oh, thank you very much for that update. Want to hear some of the. I know you have some anal questions.

[Adam Curry]

I think I. I can predict the quote from that. That trans woman when she, she. He. They. I don't know what, you know, her pronoun is. Nobody told me. The first thing she said was, you did what? Okay, it's ruined. It's going to ruin that person's life. It's going to Ru. Family. The family of the kid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Luna is. Is the person's name Luna Twigs? Well, no, that's the online. I don't know who. Who cares?

[Adam Curry]

Who cares?

[John C. Dvorak]

Luna Twigs. Yeah. Lance S. Twigs, also known as Luna. And by the way, big mistake in this whole thing. Sorry to say it, but why doesn't Tyler Robinson have a middle name? This is not a good. This is not a. Yeah, we're missing.

[Adam Curry]

A middle name 33 motif. Yes. You have to have a middle. Three. Three, which means three names.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we got to have the middle name. So something's up here. You want to just hear some of the morning shows since we got them from this morning? This is all the latest.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, most of my stuff is the analysis clips, which is important.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to hear.

[Adam Curry]

We'll play those afterwards. I want to Hear the morning shows I'm sure were gems.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's ABC this week. This morning, the New York Times is reporting that in the hours after Charlie.

[Adam Curry]

Kirk's murder, his alleged gunman Tyler Robinson.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was messaged in a group chat by an acquaintance, joking, questioning where he was.

[Adam Curry]

Suggesting he resembled the man police were looking for. According to the Times, Robinson responded that.

[John C. Dvorak]

His doppelganger was trying to get me.

[Adam Curry]

In trouble while making other jokes about the manhunt, including saying he was actually Charlie Kirk.

[John C. Dvorak]

ABC News has not independently verified those messages, authorities announcing the. By the way, do you hear that insert? Hey, hey, guys, listen, you just said that we need to add a little disclaimer there that we haven't independently verified what the New York Times said. Please. Because you never know. Could be bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

Including saying he was actually Charlie Kirk.

[John C. Dvorak]

ABC News has not independently verified those messages, authorities announced. Did you hear the insert?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could hear it. There's a clip in the arrest of 22 year old Tyler Robinson on Friday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

[Adam Curry]

We got him. But until his capture, the suspect had been an unknown man in grainy surveillance images. Images authorities say were recognized by the suspect's own father. Family member of Tyler Robinson reached out.

[John C. Dvorak]

To a family friend who contacted the Washington County Sheriff's office with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident. Authorities tell ABC News hundreds of investigators.

[Adam Curry]

Stitched the alleged gunman's path from the moment he drove onto campus at 8:29am on Wednesday. TMZ obtaining this video appearing to match.

[John C. Dvorak]

The description of the shooter, who police.

[Adam Curry]

Say appears to walk with a stiff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right leg and that his ability to bend his right leg appears to be restricted.

[Adam Curry]

Law enforcement sources tell us investigators believe Robinson was hiding his long gun under his clothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

And at some point, authorities say he changed into the outfit seen in photos released during the manhunt and climbed up.

[Adam Curry]

A campus stairwell to a roof at about 11:50am and then he's seen dressed in a black cap, sunglasses and a black shirt emblazoned with an American flag and an eagle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Missing everywhere is him reassembling a gun that was either in his backpack or walking with a four foot long rifle with his legs bent up the stairs.

[Adam Curry]

I mean.

[John C. Dvorak]

They showed, the FBI showed a picture. Apparently it's an FBI picture with the scope mounted in, according to our experts, the wrong spot. It's just like the, the whole thing. It's the 33s that, that got me right away.

[Adam Curry]

I'm like, okay, yeah, the 33 is a problem. And it's true, since TMZ was mentioned in there, I should. I didn't know. I didn't get any clips of this, but I should have. There's a couple out there that are good. Harvey is, you know, tmz, I think, is owned by Fox. And Harvey was turned pale white and came on and did a thing. Because during the announcement of the death of Charlie Kirk, there were cheers, cheers, the staff. And this has been posted over and over again showing the exact timeline.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know the time booths are on the case.

[Adam Curry]

I'm telling you, the online sleuths are unbelievable. So they had the time codes, the things all. All synced up and they obviously were cheering because exact same moment that they had made this announcement, Harvey came on later in the show and said, well, though it was because they were watching police chase.

[John C. Dvorak]

Police chase.

[Adam Curry]

And it was bull crap. And he was not. He was shook. He says, we wouldn't have people working here that would do that when in fact he's like a Trump hater and so he's only going to hire other people of mind. And it's just, it's. It's pathetic. And as Charlie Kirk fired up the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crowd tossing hats, authorities say the suspect crouched and waited. At 12:22pm they say Robinson sprang, no longer limping into position on the roof.

[Adam Curry]

Then lay down in a sniper position about 175 yards from the stage one minute later as Charlie Kirk was answering a question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now listen to the edit on this. You think Fox didn't want to talk about the trans information? Listen to. They added this one one minute later.

[Adam Curry]

As Charlie Kirk was answering a question about gun violence. Police say the suspect fired.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Do you know how many massacres there.

[Adam Curry]

Have been in America over the last 10 years? Great.

[John C. Dvorak]

They pulled out the whole trans shooter thing.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pulled it out. Pull it out. That is deceptive and not news.

[Adam Curry]

Now, who is this again?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is ABC this week from this morning.

[Adam Curry]

That is disturbing. It was more than that. It is disgusting that they can't even present. I don't know, it's annoying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen to the man of the day, Mike Johnson, appearing everywhere. Don't worry, Mike's okay, though. The birds of speakership are always manifold. You know that. Previous speakers I've covered know that. But they feel particularly heavy after the.

[Adam Curry]

Events of this week.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just want to ask you, Mr. Speaker, how are you doing? I'm doing okay, Major. Thanks for asking. No question. It was a difficult week. It's so hard for me, for the country.

[Adam Curry]

Certainly he had a cough. Tell to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, let's listen again. Mr. Speaker, how are you doing? I'm doing okay, Major. Thanks for asking. No question, it was a difficult week for the country. Certainly it was felt on Capitol Hill. There's a mixture of, you know, anger and sadness and fear, frankly, on the part of a lot of people that cast a large shadow across the country and the nation's capital. But what I do know, Major, is that my good friend Charlie would not want any of us to be consumed by despair. He would want us to go forward boldly. That was his message. And to do it in love. And I think that, I hope, is the message that continues in the days ahead. Yeah, this is interesting. So we're getting. Well, actually, you'll hear it in the next two clips that now all the politicians are very concerned for their safety. Mr. Speaker, you mentioned the word fear a moment ago. It is on the lips of members of Congress in ways I've never experienced before. They are talking openly.

[Adam Curry]

They already have canceled events.

[John C. Dvorak]

Other members are talking about whether or not it's proper in their family conversations to seek reelection. This is a. That's a great way to honor Charlie, to cower. That's a great way to do it. Cower. And not show up in public. That is. That honors Charlie Kirk's memory. Very good. How do you feel this particular space of anxiety for your membership, Republican and Democrat, space of anxiety? Wow. Yeah. Well, I've been talking with a lot of them over the last few days about that and trying to calm the nerves, to assure them that we will. We will make certain that everyone has the level of security that's necessary, that the resources will be there for their residential security and their personal security. We're evaluating all the options for that. But I think if we all adopt these practices together and we turn down the rhetoric, we, you know, cease with this idea that, you know, policy disputes are somehow an existential threat to democracy or the Republic. We stop calling one another names. I mean, calling people Nazis and fascists is not helpful. Look, there are some deranged people in society, and when they see leaders using that kind of language so often now, increasingly, it spurs them onto action. We have to recognize that reality and address it appropriately. And I'm heartened to know, Major, and to see that many of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle are stepping up and saying that and addressing it. I think this could be a turning point, frankly, to use Charlie's term, for the country, and I hope that's true. You know, I will tell you that if this is what I think it may be, which is part of a larger operation to sow discord in the United States to get people to hate each other even more than they already did in our country, I would be looking more towards other very big conservative voices if I were any of those big podcasters. That's who should be careful because.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's interesting that you say that, because Tim Pool was on Jesse Waters.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Huh. You got a clip?

[Adam Curry]

I had a clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you have a clip?

[Adam Curry]

I should have got the clip. I didn't get. I have a lot of clips, but I can't get every clip that.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. You can just tell us what he said. I, of course, did not see this. So what did he say?

[Adam Curry]

He said he has a contingent of bodyguards and he's had them for quite a while. He went on and on about it. I mean, he was actually quite. I should have recorded it, now that I think about it, because Tim Pool was quite erudite in discussing this and it was. It would be worth recording. But he did mention in the process that, yes, he had. He talked about the security that Kirk had. He says he's got the same security he's got because he's under a constant threat, I guess. Is anybody care that much about Tim Pool that they're threat.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm thinking bigger than Tim Pool. I don't want to name names.

[Adam Curry]

I know, but I'm just saying at the Tim Pool level, you have this. I don't know who. Who bigger would be Joe Rogan. He's the only. He's the biggest.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, you've got Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson. You've got.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Tucker's up there.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've got. You've got people up there. You know, if. If this is what I think it is, we'll get to that much later. But first of all, we've got to blame it on something. What?

[Adam Curry]

I'm not. I'm in that camp. I don't see this as being anything more than it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's fine. That's fine. I just have ideas. Ideas and thoughts. But first we need to blame it on something. Going to take a closer look. This is still cbs, Face the. Face the Face the Nation. We're going to take a closer look.

[Adam Curry]

At the problem of political violence in America.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we're joined now, I'm glad to say, by University of Chicago Professor Robert Pape. He's the founding director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats. Now listen to this. Guy because his numbers are all over the place.

[Adam Curry]

Professor, it's great to have you with us. Thanks for joining us.

[John C. Dvorak]

What are the trend lines and what.

[Adam Curry]

Is the key terminology you want my audience to understand?

[John C. Dvorak]

We are now in a watershed moment I call the era of violent populism in America. This era is defined first and foremost by two factors, Trump and Trump. Number one, a rising tide of political violence on both the right and the left. Our center at the University of Chicago Project on Security and Threats. We have been conducting highly reliable national surveys on political violence. Support for political violence among Americans for over four years.

[Adam Curry]

Stop the clip. So who is he to say, out of the blue, highly reliable political survey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it gets better. It gets much better in this.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, immediately. That's. To me, it's a red flag for a gas full of shit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, our center at the. That's why he's on cbs. Mercy of Chicago Project on Security and Threats. We have been conducting highly reliable national surveys on political violence, the support for political violence among Americans for over four years. We saw this in the summer of 2021. Our most recent survey in May found higher levels of support for political violence on both the right and the left than we have ever seen. Okay, hold on. He's had this highly reliable information for four years and now the information shows it's worse than we've ever seen. But he wasn't surveying anything before four years ago.

[Adam Curry]

No, the evidence is just the opposite too. I mean, I went through the 60s and 70s where you had, you had unbelievable political violence. Besides, you know, starting. It actually started with the death of Kent, with the assassination of Kennedy, the assassination rfk, and then the assassination of Martin Luther King, who is a highest order guy you can kill. There was. Huey Newton was killed in Oakland. He. There was a bunch of. Larry Flint, the publisher of Hustler magazine, was shot and crippled for life. George Wallace was shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ronald Reagan.

[Adam Curry]

Ronald Reagan was shot. George McGovern, Gerald Ford was shot or shot at twice. And you ended up with over a thousand bombings in the 70s. And this is what we're seeing now. This stuff that's going on now is worse. Are you kidding me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we can all blame it on one obvious thing. Does your research buttress the point that both Senator Lankford and Senator Coons made.

[Adam Curry]

Which is the Internet is an accelerant and an amplifier.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's an accelerant, but it's not the root cause. So studying this problem now for five years, I found that just as around the world, big social change it drives political violence. We see this in other countries around the world, but the details of the change vary. We are now moving for the first time in our country's 250 year history. Okay, what are we moving towards? Come on, we've got to blame it on something. What can we blame it on?

[Adam Curry]

What we're moving toward in our 250 year history.

[John C. Dvorak]

First time in 250 year history.

[Adam Curry]

We're not. From my perspective, we're moving toward nothing different. But I could see that somebody who's a lunatic that's been studying this four years, as he said earlier, then he suddenly says five years, which I find interesting. Contradiction. Probably fascism.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, much simpler. Come on, simpler. Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Populism.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no, here we go. From a white majority democracy to a white minority democracy, it's racism. In 1990 we were 76 non Hispanic white. Today we're 57% non Hispanic white. It will be another 10 years, maybe 15 if we deport a lot of those undocumented illegal immigrants before we make the transition to a truly white minority democracy. Well, this generational change has happened. Started about 10 years ago with a real tipping point generation and corresponds with the rise of Donald Trump. Why his issue of immigration is meeting meteoric. Why morphed from immigration meaning stop people crossing the border, to now deporting mass numbers of people. Because there are people on the right who want to stop or reverse this. And also the virulent reaction to Donald Trump on the left. This guy is an agent, parts of the left who want to keep this going. This is really the tap route and that's why we expect this left to its own devices will get worse and be with us for 10 years. I've never. The term taproot is funny. It was a.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's not a term that's used in academia. That is a term that's used someplace else. That's a milieu term that's used someplace. I don't know where we can probably find it. If we do enough research. It could be an intel term. We don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the only other place I've ever heard taproot is it was an addition to bitcoin about seven years ago that enabled the lightning network and it was called taproot. Why don't we ask the computer? Should we ask the computer?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I think she needs to. Yes, I think this is a great addition to the show, except for the fact that there's a lag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm going to try.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, this lag is not as bad. That old lag you used to have with that other device.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that was when I was still using.

[Adam Curry]

That was terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, error. What is. What is the origin of the term taproot?

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

It comes from botany describing a plant's main root that digs deep, like a taproot, while others branch out shallowly. First used in the 17th century. Think tap as in a spout or peg, implying something central and piercing down. Not related to modern taps like faucets, though.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's a botanist did suck.

[Adam Curry]

I think the question was asked poorly, by the way. So JC was at dinner recently, and he, who was very deeply involved in all this, he had told me there's three huge flaws that everybody in the business knows about AI. And one of them, which I thought was the. I don't remember the other two. I'll get them and write them up or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll get them.

[Adam Curry]

We'll get to them. But the one of them that was the most fascinating to me is that they learn from the questions or the corrections you make to them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, of course not. That would imply memory.

[Adam Curry]

They have their corpus and they use that and you say, no, no, that's not true. What you should know is that I'm actually to tell them, say about yourself. I'm actually the inventor of podcast. Oh, yes, okay, you are. They'll say that back to you, but then it won't go back into the corpus. They don't learn that. They'll have the same bogus answers later.

[John C. Dvorak]

It can't go into the corpus because that has to translate into tokens, and that costs a lot. Compute, Compute.

[Adam Curry]

Way too much money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Massive compute.

[Adam Curry]

So there's no interaction whatsoever in a real sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

So taproot, though. Anyway, maybe one of our. Okay, we're asking this term. Oh, you want. Hold on, hold on. You can ask the question. Hold on. Ready? Go.

[Adam Curry]

What is the use of the term taproot in the intelligence community or other social networks?

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa, wow. Wow. We got nothing. It wouldn't answer it. Okay, that. That's odd. I don't know what to say. You want to try it again?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'll try it with. I'll reword it a little bit. How is the word or phrase taproot used in the intelligence community or other social networks?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's literally not registering you, John.

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe it's not being fed to her properly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let me see. How is the term taproot used in intelligence or other networks?

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Taproot pops up in intelligence and network context. Too. Borrowing from the plant idea. A hidden central root feeding everything else in Cyberops. It's slang for a covert command hub in espionage nets. Like a deep undetected node coordinating spies or malware. Some sources link it to blockchain privacy upgrades on Bitcoin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Okay, well, that's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So it is used in intel and that guy. And I know it's not used in academia, so. That guy is something else.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's something else.

[Adam Curry]

All right, well, you spotted it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, like taproot. It's like. Because that's. I've heard it in the context of bitcoin. Okay, so what? Listen. Now we have to listen to what exactly that guy said again. Hold on a second. It was somewhere here. Let's listen. And that's one of the reasons why Ira in May found higher levels of support for political violence on both the right and the left than we have ever seen. And that's one of the reasons why I rang the alarm bell with that big op ed in the New York Times national surveys on political violence. The support for political violence among Americans for over four years. We started this in the summer of 2021. No, sorry. It's number this. This is the clip now. Now I want to know. Change has happened. Started about 10 years ago, where the real tipping point generation and corresponds with the rise of Donald Trump. Why his issue of immigration is meteoric. Why it's morphed from immigration, meaning stop people crossing the border, to now deporting mass numbers of people. Because there are people on the right who want to stop or reverse this. And also the virulent reaction to Donald Trump on the left, on parts of the left who want to keep this going. This is really the tap route. And that's why we need to expect this left to its own devices. Well, what do you make of that, then, in that context?

[Adam Curry]

I. I don't know. It's just almost like code. Yeah, he's using it casually, which is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is. That's the weird thing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's casually because it's in his milieu. It's a casual word that actually means a lot to that group.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, maybe we don't know.

[Adam Curry]

We're not in that group, so we don't know what it means.

[John C. Dvorak]

He could just be a botanist for all we know. In his spare time.

[Adam Curry]

He's not a botanist.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's gardening.

[Adam Curry]

He's not a botanist. And he is, is he? I. And if he is, intelligence of who? Whatever, whoever with. I mean, there's so many now who can Tell. But it's, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about this?

[Adam Curry]

That's a globalist opinion that needs to be rooted out of our intelligence community.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

All of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. So I want to get to. I have two more, and then we'll get to your analysis clips. This was a cute idea. I appreciated it. Everyone was tagging me, sharing this, this. I'm like, we need to just explain once again what this particular act was and how this is a misunderstanding of it to, to some degree.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

President Trump, as a supporter who voted for you three times, I am hoping and praying that you will revisit what Barack Obama and Joe Biden got rid of back in 2013, which is the Smithmund act, which held news corporations accountable for lying to the American people and spreading propaganda instead of truth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay? That's the problem. The Smith Mundt act did not hold news organizations accountable.

[Adam Curry]

I saw this, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Smith Mundt act was specifically forbidding the American government from propagandizing its own people. And the biggest perpetrator of this was the Voice of America Group, the Broadcast Board of Governors. That is Tucker Carlson's dad's position back in the day. And the act was reformed. That is struck as a part of the National Defense Authorization act because we could no longer. The way the wording was, is we can no longer propagandize the rest of the world if we're using the Internet because invariably we're going to be propagandizing Americans. Now, that doesn't. In no way ever, can it ever, should it ever stop news organizations from doing whatever they want to do. Right. On the sideline of that, I will say that looking at Operation Mockingbird, obviously, if you have government agents functioning inside your organization, which is where all this came from ultimately, because they were writing the stories. They were for CBS News, they were writing the stories for Newsweek, et cetera. I think it was Newsweek. So obviously, when you let on a whole bunch of these ex agents, ex intelligence officer, ex generals, when you let them on the air and let them do their thing, obviously that's propaganda, but it's not really the news network work. So, you know, and it's, and it's honestly, it's very un American and unconstitutional for people to be calling to hold the news agencies to account. That's. That's bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

And this whole thing was. This little pitch by this girl went on and on and on about it completely misleading. And, and it was reposted by Trump himself or at least whoever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, of course, that's what it's what you do. But it's a troll.

[Adam Curry]

But the point. But it is a bad. It is a miss. It' misdirection if ever there was. It's bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So. Because people got all excited. Yeah, man. You guys talked about Smith Mund. Yeah. This is what he's talking about. Then bring it back. But that's. You can't.

[Adam Curry]

I know. I just kills me that, that it's so easy. But she does this. She's almost like a pro. Yeah. She's non dis, you know, kind of non descriptive, you know, plain Jane. And she's. And she's presenting it as in some reason in a very reasonable fashion and it's just bs.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll come back after your analysis clips with some Chris Coon stuff, but I just could not resist because they. They did an emergency pod. We have to do an emergency pod right away. The emergency pod, everybody. Here we go with the liberal intellectual elites of Pivot.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Officials say Robinson made incriminating statements to relatives and sent discord messages about retrieving a rifle from a drop point. Investigators also say they found on messages. Messages on the ammunition. The bullets include.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who said investigators? No, you just heard sources. Kara Swisher, great journalist that you claim.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

To be from a drop point. Investigators also say they found.

[John C. Dvorak]

No investigator has said anything. Great journalist that you are a rifle.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

From a drop point. Investigators also say they found on messages. Messages on the ammunition, the bullets, including anti fascist slogans and references to video games and online memes. And also an anti gay remark. Robinson is registered voter in Utah, but doesn't have a party affiliation. His family is. Seems to be Republican, Christian, gun oriented, as many people in Utah are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you gun oriented oriented where they.

[Adam Curry]

Own a gun shop?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's. What's a new type of gender? I'm gun oriented.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Scott, what are your initial thoughts Thoughts when you heard about this suspect?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, my initial thoughts are how disappointed Representative Mace, President Trump and Jesse Waters might be that it's not a transgender woman with blue hair working on immigration for aoc. Yeah, that was your first thought.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have all promised us in exchange for this needless death that they were going to declare war. And so my question is, are they going to declare war on young white hetero. Has anyone. Did Jesse Waters declare war?

[Adam Curry]

Declared war? Well, they says, in fact, the response, I think is pretty well put by the guy who was the governor of Utah. It's. Everyone's calm. It's not like what happened with George Floyd.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. They're going to declare war all promised us that in exchange for this needless death that they were going to declare war. And so my question is, are they going to declare war on young, white heterosexual men who come from Mormon families, families who traditionally have voted Republican are gun owners. So the notion somehow that they are trying to pin this on quote, unquote, the radical left is just so insane, it's eminently clear.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

This kid was online deeply and unfortunately online.

[John C. Dvorak]

Deeply online. I would say there are two obvious common sense solutions that unfortunately cost a lot of money or diminish the shareholder value of key companies that are driving our entire economies and get in the way of the political narrative of special interest groups in charge right now. The first and most obvious solution is that Australia and the UK just don't have cultures that much different than us. The last time they had a mass shooting, they put in place sensible gun control. What do you know? No mass shootings since Charlie Kirk. You know what's amazing? Somehow Scott Galloway, who lives in London currently and clearly knows what's going on in Australia, he doesn't see the knives, the machetes, the zombie knives. Are you kidding me? Now? Did you see the girl who was slaughtered on the train? Was that a gun? No. Okay, mass shootings. Maybe that's what he's looking at. Mass shootings was murdered. More people have been shot and killed in the US and will be shot and killed in the UK over the next year. The UK will lose 30 people. He says we shot and killed. Are you shooting and killing people over there? Gun. Charlie Kirk was murdered. More people have been shot and killed in the US and will be shot and killed in the UK over the next year. The UK will lose 30 people to gun violence in the next 12 months. We lose 120 people a day. A lot. So if you want to take down political violence and all gun violence, you just have to have sensible gun reform. Okay, yeah, that's it. That will do it. Sensible. Sensible gun reform. It's new. Sensible. Sensible.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. All right, that's probably a new one. They're gonna. You're gonna hear it again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sensible gun control. Yeah, we'll put it in the book. All right, you got some analysis.

[Adam Curry]

Well, first, let's start with just the NPR overview clip. This is Kirk, killer NPR. The 22 year old man accused of killing Charlie Kirk is being held without bail in Utah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And as Steve Futterman reports, Kirk's widow made her first public comments hours after.

[Adam Curry]

Escorting his body home to Arizona from Utah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Erica Kirk blamed what she called evildoers for the death of her HUS movement.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

My husband built will not die.

[Adam Curry]

It won't. I refuse to let that happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Since Tuesday's killing, there have been vitriolic.

[Adam Curry]

Debates in public and on social media between supporters and opponents of Charlie Kirk.

[John C. Dvorak]

The governor of Utah, Spencer Cox Friday urged people to take a break from social media.

[Adam Curry]

The tone he said must calm down. This is our moment. Do we escalate or do, do we find an off ramp? It's a choice. Investigators are still trying to determine if some specific thing triggered Tyler Robinson.

[John C. Dvorak]

He will be formally charged next week. All right.

[Adam Curry]

He will be charged. Okay, so now I've got two series here. The one is Robinson the Killer. And this I believe is from npr. And this you'll start with Robinson the killer. Analysis. NPR man accused of killing Charlie Kirk is being held without bail at a Utah jail today. 22 year old Tyler Robinson allegedly fires the single shot from a high powered rifle that on Wednesday killed the conservative activists and media personality known for his appeal to young people. Police arrested Robinson Thursday night. Steve Futterman joins us from outside the Utah County Jail in Spring Fork, Utah. Hi, Steve.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi there, Scott.

[Adam Curry]

So Robinson is being held where you are now, officials said yesterday they don't believe anyone else was involved. Is that still the case? Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

However, like any investigation, authorities want to go through things like Robinson's cell phone, any computers he used, and they want to speak with those who knew him.

[Adam Curry]

Now, yesterday, officials said that Robinson had expressed negative views about Charlie Kirk.

[John C. Dvorak]

And one of those unused bullet casings had the words hey, fascist catch written on it. But if the motive was political, like it appears to be to some, officials.

[Adam Curry]

Want to know if there was something that pushed Robinson over the edge. Last night we heard from Charlie Kirk's widow. Tell us about the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's right. Erica Kirk spoke on a livestream for around 15 minutes. She spoke from Phoenix from the same studio that Kirk often used for his podcasts. Now, at times, her voice cracked. She dabbed her eyes on several occasions, but her main message seemed to be that Charlie Kirk's movement will continue. And Erica Kirk blamed what she called evil doers for the death of her husband.

[Adam Curry]

And as police try to figure out Tyler Robinson's motivations, people who knew him, people in his hometown are taking this all in. What are we hearing from them?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, absolutely. He lived with his parents in the.

[Adam Curry]

Small southwest Utah town of Washington with.

[John C. Dvorak]

A population of around 30,000. It's not far from the city of St. George. We have not heard, at least at this Point.

[Adam Curry]

Any neighbors describe him as odd or acting strange?

[John C. Dvorak]

People who knew him have told reporters Robinson wasn't necessarily part of the cool kids in high school, but he was well liked and a good student. Okay, a couple things. One, now he lives with his parents, according to npr. So that's.

[Adam Curry]

And also that there's. There been a disparaging comment which we heard plenty of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And the second one just on a sidetrack. I watched Erica's live stream. I think that if she can, you know, man, how many times have we seen it where you have a big movement and the leader gets taken out and the movement dies. And of course, I saw that in the Netherlands with Pim for Town when his party won posthumously as he was assassinated two weeks before the election in Holland. In Holland, of all places. And of course the movement became just, you know, without him, it fell apart. If Erica steps up, I think that. I think Turning Point USA actually has a chance of continuing. She's. She's got something there. She can really do this.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe. But I think your other example, which, which is more common, the thing just kind of slowly deteriorates because when you have a charismatic leader that is out. Not only charismatic, but is a organizational genius in my. At least that's the way I see it, it's pretty tough.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the problem with, with Charlie Kirk is not what he was saying. The problem was people were listening. Listening. That's the problem. And to get people to listen to someone the way they listen to Charlie Kirk, that's tough. That's going to be tough. Yes. That charisma is a big piece of it. Melissa Tate, a neighbor of the Robinson.

[Adam Curry]

Family, told our colleagues at member station KUER that she worries events like this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are becoming more and more normal.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

This is everywhere, every community, every town, every state, it's going to be. Be everybody's neighbor, everybody's classmate. It's not at all unusual anymore.

[Adam Curry]

And of course, it was Robinson's father who initially confronted his son, telling him.

[John C. Dvorak]

That he thought his son was the.

[Adam Curry]

One being shown in pictures released by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Police now on the Utah Valley University. Do we even know that, by the way, that still is not. I mean, I've seen nothing official about.

[Adam Curry]

This and I haven't heard any comments. But if you recall the that fact, the early moments, it was like a minister.

[John C. Dvorak]

A minister had.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, it was a friend of his. He was one of his buddies that talked to the minister, who then talked to him and then he was going to kill himself and the minister talked him out of it. And so you got to turn yourself in. And then now somehow that completely disappeared from the narrative. Completely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Shown in pictures to the dad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Released by police now.

[John C. Dvorak]

On the Utah Valley University campus where.

[Adam Curry]

Kirk was killed, there's a sense of relief today that someone has been arrested. But Raymond Lopez, a nursing student, says.

[John C. Dvorak]

There are still plenty of concerns. My and a lot of our peers, our biggest fear is retaliation or something happening again. Class has been pushed off till Wednesday. I will say that I did sign.

[Adam Curry]

The petition for him not to come.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I thought it was going to incite violence. Sadly, I think that is what happened. You know, I just had another thought because I got tons of thoughts going through my head about this. Ever since the 33, I'm like, okay, okay. How many times have we seen the FBI itself radicalize someone online for a year, two years? Hyping them up, getting them ready, getting them bomb materials, etc. Perhaps just on an off chance, what if, you know, let's hype this kid out. He'll never, he'll never hit. He'll never. With that rifle. He'll never hit the mark. It'll just be a warning shot.

[Adam Curry]

And that could also funny because there was some guy on one of the. The shows that said this is because there was an argument going on between these people. Said there's a professional hit, which we kind of thought it was a professional hit. And the other guy says, there's no chance it was a professional hit. That guy was just a lucky shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, show me the forensics. Show me the cartridges with all these etchings on them. Anything?

[Adam Curry]

They. One woman that was an ex intel person. She said what's bothering her is they have yet. Did they ever find the bullet that hit Kirk? She says no one's ever discussed the. The bullet. Where is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's, It's. It's a mess. This, if this was it sounds like a typical botched FBI op, to be honest. This is like, oh, we left too many loose ends. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's a lot of loose ends.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a lot of loose ends on this one.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

One.

[Adam Curry]

That's why I wonder if this guy's going to live through this process.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he's in this and they already.

[Adam Curry]

Dropped the bomb, you know, again, I'm going to bring it back to pre programming. In the early reporting that said that the minister had to come in because the kid wanted to kill himself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kill himself. Ah, yeah, you're right. Well, he's in a special holding cell where he can't kill himself, you know, like.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, right. He's got cameras.

[John C. Dvorak]

No worries. No worries. No one can get in or out without us seeing it. No worries. It would be, it would be a tidy way to end this whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

It would definitely make it less messy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I think there's a third clip here. So is it fair to say now.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the Utah University campus there's a growing memorial with flowers. And the next event we're waiting for is Tyler Robinson to be formally charged. That's expected on Tuesday. At that time, he will make his first court appearance.

[Adam Curry]

That is Steve Futterman in Spring Fork, Utah. Thank you so much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Does he have a lawyer? Where's the lawyer? Don't they, don't we usually have a lawyer out there saying something? No, good point.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't thought of that. Okay, now, now we have a series of clips that are about this expert on polarization. And these are not necessarily. They're they, they stem from this shooting, but they're more kind of standalone interesting. And they're called polarization. Wtf? Which means that I thought they were interesting. That's John speak.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's John speak for. Wow, that's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Wow, that's fabulous. Wow, that's fabulous. Yes, that's what it means.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's it. All right, here we go.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Cynthia Miller, Idris is the director of the Polarization and Extremism Research Innovation Lab at American Union.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wow. Hold on. This is where they make it up, up the Polarization Research and Innovation Lab. Are they they coming up with new ideas here?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is on PBS and just ran yesterday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Cynthia Miller Idris is the director of the Polarization and Extremism Research Innovation Lab at American University and she joins me now. Cynthia, looking at the pattern of violence in recent years, what fits into that pattern from this and what might be new? Well, we've been seeing rising political violence, rising hate fueled violence for several years now. We're at a level that we haven't seen since the 1970s. And over the last couple of years in the US in particular, we've seen rising assassination attempts and assassinations as a tactic within that political extremism. And that's also been happening overseas. So, you know, I think it's. It was to be expected that political assassinations would continue if we weren't able to tamp down the rhetoric. To be expected to hear those words is really quite stunning. But you are the one doing the research and you're talking about the rhetoric, which is a big part of the conversation right now, how much is rhetoric responsible for political violence? And especially that moment where someone isn't just expressing anger, as we see online everywhere, kind of a toxic culture online. How much does political rhetoric influence someone to move from saying words to doing something violent? Or does it? Yeah, I mean, one of the things we'd seen, and I said this a year ago after Trump, the first assassination attempt against President Trump, was that it was only a matter of time with the kind of rhetoric that we see, that we were going to get to political assassination. So, you know, that's what I mean by expected. It sounds very cynical, but it was very predictable, you know, shocking but not surprising is the way that I think of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I just looked this group up. I don't know if you had time to do that, but the Polarization and Extremism Research and Innovation Lab is an acronym PERIL. PERIL perilresearch.com Their initiatives include gendered violence, antisemitism, community advisory, resource and education centers, I. E. CARE and veer. The Violent Extremism Education and Resilience. Let's look at some of their Most recent articles. August 18th. Been been a month. Meme Coins and Misogyny. What the dildo throwing trend at WNBA games can teach us. August 12. CDC shootings highlights risks of public health misinformation. July 29. Why manosphere content is appealing to some young men. My goodness, the fact that these people have money are funded.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. By the usaid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. They should have a podcast at minimum.

[Adam Curry]

Meme Coins. That'd be a great podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd probably listen to Meme Coins and Misogyny, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Meme Coins and Misogyny. That's a show title.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a classic.

[Adam Curry]

So the. So the point is. Now this person reminds me of the clips you played earlier of the taproot guy who comes out of you know where. Nowhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But he's in a milieu and just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me ask you a question. You're PBS or your cbs, whatever. And the number one person you call is from Peril Research. That's number one on your call list.

[Adam Curry]

Is that I would like to know the mechanism for getting on these shows in this way. This is not a minor piece. I have four clips from it and it went on for half the show. This was a major feature on the Saturday show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's a message is what it is.

[Adam Curry]

So there is something going on with that. And the one you played, I think is the same thing. It was a. A messenger that was. That was hooked in somehow through the booker. Or there's, you know, there's. Who knows how it. How some of these things work. I mean, I know how you get on these shows. You know, the booker producer, and you can get on the show, but the booker. Producer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Booker, rhymes with I'm telling you.

[Adam Curry]

So the booker producer, usually, you know, and you make. And the key. And you know this. And most people have ever done any hits on these different shows knows. Knows that if you make friends with the booker producer or one of the lead producers, that's how you do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're good. You're good to go.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's where you've done four Rogans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Six. Six Rogans. But, but Rogan invites me personally. I. The only. The first time did it go through his booker.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, once you, you. Yeah, but you got. Well, you hooked up with the real Booker producer.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he just called me out of the blue.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, he. He. Rogan is the real Booker producer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry. Yes, he's the real. But I don't say, hey, Joe, time for me to come on again.

[Adam Curry]

No, but you. You talk to him and you try to keep in touch to the point where he remembers that you can come on at the drop of a hat. Which is the great idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Because somebody's got to be Tony Randall or Regis Philbin.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's me.

[Adam Curry]

Philbin was not as good as Randall, but Philbin did it, too. Yeah.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

All right. 2.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

When you have political rhetoric that consistently positions us versus them in existential terms, when people online are celebrating the assassination of a United Healthcare executive, for example, that kind of violence being valorized, not just seen as a last type of solution, but as an acceptable or even preferable one.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was an outstanding observation, John. No doubt because you saw this, it triggered your memory. But the fact that nobody got burned celebrating that, that is telling.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

There was also some.

[Adam Curry]

By the way. By the way, I think her use of the word valorized is dynamite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that is good. Let's roll that back type of solution.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

But as an acceptable or even preferable one, there was also celebration online of this assassination. And at the same time, we also know there are some supporters of Charlie Crook who are using more and more sort of warlock kind of talk after a tragedy like this, there are all sorts of ways that people deal with the grief. But where do you think we are right now in the rhetoric about this event? I think we're at a really very risky moment. I will say that the elected officials rhetoric, the bipartisan mostly bipartisan condemnation of the violence and of, you know, the idea that no one deserves to be shot, no matter how much you disagree with them, I think has been very clear. But among ordinary people, especially young people on social media, we have seen much more divisive rhetoric, both calling for civil war and celebrating the death of the killing of someone with whom people often vehemently disagreed. And so I think one of the things I've been urging people is to not just look to political leaders for solutions, but look across the dinner table. That's a moment to engage with dialogue and really try to walk back that rhetoric.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay. At the dinner table. Okay. Hey, son, stop talking that way.

[Adam Curry]

Okay? Gone with three.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

One thing I've noticed in the past few days is a rise in conservatives doxing or publishing the personal information of people, individuals who are not remotely famous, who may have, in some cases, celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk. As you said the first, something obviously deplorable to do. But some, in some cases, maybe not gone that far, just offended some folks. We spoke to someone from Wired magazine who's covering this, talking about specifically this moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've spoken to multiple people this week.

[Adam Curry]

Who have had, you know, their employment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Terminated as a result of what they posted online.

[Adam Curry]

In some cases, they were celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

[John C. Dvorak]

In other cases, it was much, much less than that.

[Adam Curry]

And they were just making points about.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

This has been not just about shaming people, but about affecting their lives. And in some cases, we know there's been death threats as well. I wonder what you make of this tactic. Not just something a few people are doing, but people are collecting databases to do this now. Yeah, Doxxing is a very dangerous tactic from. We've seen it from the left and from the right. And what we've seen over the years is that often when someone is doxxed, their personal information leaked. There have been cases where people up at the wrong address where they used to live, let's say, and threaten a kind of innocent family who lives there. You're putting at risk family members, children, others who might live at that address.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about the people who actually are meant to be docs? That's not dangerous.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

So, you know, one of the things I would really urge people to do is, is avoid that temptation. Whatever the motivation to look for accountability. This is a moment to allow the rule of law to allow social media policies to. To handle that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That social media policies. It's not social media policies.

[Adam Curry]

Censorship. And by the way, no. What's her name? Lisa desjardins. She goes on, she's all upset about this but she never has said jack about doxxing. You know the ice guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, of course not.

[Adam Curry]

Or any police for that matter who have to wear masks because these guys come up to the picture.

[John C. Dvorak]

But again what they're all missing is the fact that all of these people did it because they felt comfortable. They thought everybody is on, everyone's on agrees. Isn't this, this is the, the weak mindedness of certainly our educators that oh I mean everyone thinks this. I've told my children this, everyone knows this, all my colleagues, they all believe it.

[Adam Curry]

You're not going to get an argument from me on that regard. The fact that they are comfortable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Comfortable, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Talking about some guy getting killed is pathetic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well they didn't. Well you know what, they didn't get in trouble with Luigi. That's, that's part, that may be part of the mechanism for all we know. John?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, if it is pretty schemy if that's true. It's hard for me to believe they're that good but you know it's always possible. Now the last clip is the last clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

They convinced us we went to the moon. So you know, it's like anything's possible. There's two, you got two more clips here. You got, oh you got Trump. You got Trump. The Trump stuff. Now Kirk, Trump reaction analysis is what I have.

[Adam Curry]

That would be last. Okay, I think, let me look at these.

[John C. Dvorak]

The third was the last one. That was the last Robinson. That was the last.

[Adam Curry]

Oh right, there should be polar. Yep, there is now the reason I call it. Wait, I'm just going to give a heads up. So they go on and on. This goes on forever and this is how they finish it. And I'm listening to this and says wait a minute that you go through, you make us watch this crap for this period of time. I'm doing this by the way in advance of this clip because you're going to do it if I don't. This is a they dud out on.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Us in the few seconds we have left here. We've seen these moments in history before where we have assassination attempts happening over a decade or two decades gaze kind of thing before. But I wonder, you mentioned people need to talk to each other across the dinner table. What else gets the country out of moments like this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Vax?

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Well, one of the things we really need is more serious and systematic investments in prevention which is something that other countries have. We in this country tend to rely on after the fact increases in Security, better barricades, better security detectors. And that's expensive and it requires a perfection every time. But you can also invest in helping people be less persuaded by propaganda online, less persuaded by manipulative efforts that say violence is the solution and help people know how to recognize warning signs and know where to get more help. Cynthia Miller. Idris, thank you so much for joining us.

[John C. Dvorak]

All that, all that was missing was her saying. Therefore, I recommend listening to the best podcast in the universe, the no Agenda shows show. So you will not be radicalized that easily.

[Adam Curry]

You know, the funny irony to that last bit in the commentary is that the United States really can't afford to let people think for themselves that much because the entire advertising model for selling products requires it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, our entire system. We've been through this.

[Adam Curry]

The system, yes, the entire system. I'm just thinking of advertising. But the system requires you be gullible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not just be gullible, but be outraged. The constant state of outrage. That's how our media works. That's how our politics works. That's how our social media works, which is why people are getting, all of, you know, your algorithms are showing all the things that are going to get you mad. And the Chinese model, which soon will go away whenever President Trump figures out how to make it American. TikTok, you just get everything you want. There's no, you know, Facebook does this. They all do this like inject stuff. Inject stuff, inject stuff, keep you busy, keep you on there. And that's our, that is, that has always been our model.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So you get what you pay for, which is nothing. Oh, junk. Chinese junk. It turns out to be currently junk. Okay, so I got the. Yeah, right. Kirk Trump. I forgot about these clips. This is another. I don't know, I guess all my clips are analysis clips. Trump's this show, but Kirk Trump reaction. This is kind of funny cuz they're just doing. They just do everything they can. It's Trump's fault, by the way. We're gonna take a few minutes now to look at how President Trump has handled all of this. At difficult moments for the nation, it's often the role of the President to deliver meaning, resoluteness and calm. Think of George W. Bush in the immediate wake of 9 11. As one recent example. This week, in the hours immediately after the assassination of Charlie Crowd. Kirk, President Trump took a different approach. He blamed his political opponents. Radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives. Trump said his administration would be coming for people and Organizations that contribute to political violence. NPR senior White House correspondent Tamara Keith joins us now. Hey, Tam. Hey, Tam. Hey, Tam.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Hi, Scott.

[Adam Curry]

You have covered Trump for a long time. This is unfortunately far from the first violent political act that he has had to respond to as president. So how does his handling here compare to the other times?

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Trump and members of his family were quite close to Charlie Kirk. So this attack was personal for Trump and his response was immediately partisan. Compare that to what happened after the shooting at a congressional baseball team practice in 2017. In that case, Republican lawmakers were targeted by a man who had been a Bernie Sanders supporter. But in a scripted address, Trump took a very traditional approach and said, the nation is strongest when we are unified.

[Adam Curry]

We may have our differences, but we do well in times like these to remember that everyone who serves in our nation's capital is here because above all, they love our country. And, Tam, we have to talk about a big factor here. The President himself was shot at last summer at that rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. Remind us of his rhetoric after that assassination attempt against him.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Yeah, it was interesting because a lot of his supporters were really fast to blame left wing rhetoric, but Trump was more restrained.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, what's interesting about this clip is there's a little modicum of truth in there where the President said he was going after those that finance it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yes, exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a little different than going after political opponents.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, but the whole. Yes, yes, yes, yes. The beginning of the clip is a fallacious argument and a false analogy. He starts off by saying, look at how Bush handled the 911 thing. 911 wasn't an attack by the Democrat Party or common leftists. It was an attack by a foreign entity or whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're going to go with the COVID story. Okay?

[Adam Curry]

So we're going to go with that story. So Bush isn't about to go and start blaming the leftists. I mean, it's not going to happen. And he says, compare that to Trump. That's not a comparison. What, are you kidding me? So you start at the very beginning of the presentation with a fallacious analogy and you go from there. But meanwhile, it's just stuck in the person's brain. We have this. In other words, the preconceived conclusion is already planted. If you don't catch it right away, this is like a pathological liar talking to you. You, if he, if you, if he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gets you, the media. Pathological liars.

[Adam Curry]

What if he gets you early? Then he'll start to reel you in, and that's exactly what happens. With these guys at NPR do this all the time.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

And in that case, the ideology of the shooter who was killed by police is to this day still quite unclear. His list of potential targets included Democrats.

[Adam Curry]

And Republicans, like we said, unfortunately. A lot of examples to pick from. But I do want to ask about one recent example a lot of people have brought up this week, and that's the targeted attacks on Minnesota Democrats this past summer that killed former House Speaker Melissa Hortman. How did Trump respond this summer after those shootings?

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Hortman and her husband were murdered. Another Democratic lawmaker was gravely injured. It was a targeted attack. Trump posted about the attack on social media, saying such horrific violence will not be tolerated in the United States of America. But in. But he didn't get into the partisan nature of the targeting, and he hasn't really mentioned it since.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was no conclusion on that as far as I.

[Adam Curry]

It wasn't partizan.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. No conclusion.

[Adam Curry]

No evidence of that. It was probably a yes. So this is, again, so what they've done is they've already lied to you at the beginning with a false analogy, and then they're starting to reel you in, and then they distract. They start to drop phony bombs in the middle so they can make the point that Trump's a bad guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he is.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, is it fair to say that he just downplays it when violence comes from the political right?

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Yeah. Let me give you another example, please. In 2018, a Trump supporter who sent explosives to Democrats and also CNN was taken into custody. President Trump responded by praising law enforcement and criticizing the media for mentioning the south suspect's political affiliation. He said the media was using the sinister actions of one individual to score political points against him and Republicans.

[Adam Curry]

Yet when a Bernie Sanders supporter tried.

[John C. Dvorak]

To murder congressional Republicans and severely wounded.

[Adam Curry]

A great man named Steve Scalise and others, we did not use that heinous attempt at mass murder for political gain because that would have been wrong.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

So in 2018, he was saying a partizan response to a terrible crime would be wrong. But in this case, with the murder of Charlie Kirk, Trump is quite firmly sticking to his view that Democrats and harsh rhetoric on the left are to blame.

[Adam Curry]

You say quite firmly. Is it fair to say he has not softened his rhetoric since the alleged assailant was taken into custody?

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Right. He was on Fox and Friends yesterday. And Ainsley Earhart gave him an opportunity to offer a unifying message. How do we fix this country? How do we come back together?

[Adam Curry]

I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. They don't want to see crime.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

So take that and then compare it to the way he describes the other side.

[Adam Curry]

The radicals on the left. Left are the problem, and they're vicious and they're horrible and they're politically savvy.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

And in this way, Trump is like so many others in this polarized country who think their side is essentially fine and it's the other side that's evil. The difference of course, though, is that he's the President of the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. He has all the power. I want to take this, for me to a conclusion because we need to end this at some point. We can just go on forever about this and this. You'll roll your eyes, but that's okay because you're used to it by now. Almost 18 years. That's right. So when President Trump talks about those financing this, and we talked about this the other day, and you put the blame on people like Soros as an example, the Open Society foundation, which clearly is one of his financial motives is to destabilize a currency, a country, anything to hedge. He's a hedge fund guy, so it may not even be that he's one.

[Adam Curry]

Of the greatest currency traders in the history of investing.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he may not even be doing it that much for ideological reasons more than financial. I mean, that's possible. We don't really know much about him other than he's kind of creepy. And there was this one brief moment in kind of the fog of post this assassination when. And the clip is not widely distributed. I was able to find it. You know, it's like on places where, you know, you have that. This is a media where they have like an audio watermark. So I was able to find a version of it without that. It's only 50 seconds. I found it without that. This was Hannity, which if it was just Hannity, I've been like, okay, whatever, whatever. But it was also John Solomon. And John Solomon, I think he's pretty good with his investigative sourcing because this is all sources. And this came out and I haven't heard about it since.

[Adam Curry]

I have a source in the intelligence community, John, that said that there might be post assassination pieces of a puzzle that might be put together, that there might be a foreign component to it. Again, we don't know for sure. I know it's being discussed. Have you heard the same thing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, there is A group or two of interest that are in the Salt Lake City area that they're looking at. Just because of certain recent activities overseas and certain intelligence shared by a foreign friendly from the United States doesn't necessarily mean that it is connected to the shooting. Shooting. I suspect though, it's going to result in some action even if it's not resulted, not tied to the shooting. But there is a small foreign component that's being looked at. Again, all leads are open. I don't think they've locked into a final theory of the case yet. Just thought it was interesting. Like, huh, okay, now immediately I actually saw that. Yeah. What was your thought?

[Adam Curry]

My thought was that they. This, you know, they're trying, they're trying as hard as they can to blame Israel. And this is kind of a roundabout way of doing it. And it, and I say that because that meme is floating around. I think it's silly, but it's floating around. And it even came to the dinner table because J.C. and Jesse both had some thoughts on this that involved Israel and he also had a couple other memes that he picked up on. And one of my favorites, which I observed too, even though thinking about it, I realize it's not really impossible to tell, but when. When the kid jumped off the roof and landed like a paratrooper beautifully, by the way, from a two story building. I can't jump off two story buildings.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not anymore. Back in the heyday you could.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not absolutely sure I could ever. But he jumps off the building, lands perfectly and then runs. Is it. Where's the gun? Where's the gun? Because he supposedly ran into with the gun. But you couldn't see the gun. But, but that video was enhanced and enhancement can easily take the gun out of the picture. He could have been running with a gun for all we know. So I, so I'm not. I like the idea that people have all observed is where's the gun? Where's the gun? Because he's running like a maniac that at high speeds after jumping off the building and there's no gun that he went to with a towel around it that he ditched. And that is suspicious. But at the same time, when you do video enhancing, it's easy wipe stuff out. I mean, I can, you know, you, you've done it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but you're, you're floating away from the topic. The, the topic was a foreign entity.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, I'm just saying that that came up at the conversation. But they also, they would. They were thinking Israel and It goes like, okay, I know. Where'd you get. I don't know where. Where. Source.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's. It's around.

[Adam Curry]

And, and it's around. Yeah, it's around because people hate Israel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, and the reason the younger generation. Actually Charlie Kirk had a roundtable on this, which I listened to. I won't play the clips, but he had a roundtable, he was asking them. And what it came down to was we're pissed off because we can't afford our rent yet we're sending money to Israel. The fire is here. Why you're trying to put fires out there. And that's an. Although that's a misunderstanding of appropriation of money because does. It's very little compared to other things the US Government spends its money on. But the secondary part was interesting where they said, well, if people are going to call me an anti Semite for saying that, for being upset with sending money, supporting Israel with whatever Israel does with the money, which is killing Palestinians, bombing Qatar, etc. Maybe drawing us into war, then what the Gen Zers are saying is. And Charlie Kirk agreed with them because he's almost of that. He's a little bit older, but he's close to that generation. He said, well, if I'm going to be accused of the crime, I might as well do it. But that's not where I'm going with this. I certainly kept that open on Thursday. Like, well, could this have been some retaliation? By the way, Israel is not the same as the government of Israel. In my mind. Bibi Netanyahu has a lot of issues, but it was. And this is something that Mo tried to explain to me and I understood theoretically what he was talking about. And for a hundred episodes of Mofax with Adam Curry, he talked about the white supremacy and he was always taking it back to Europe, to the European families. And that was. It was not a color, it was a system. And someone sent me this video of these two women. They're older. When I say older, I'm 61. I'm like, man, I hope I don't look like that when I'm 65. But they're probably in their mid-60s. This is one of them, Susan Kokinda, and they have this group called the Prometheus. What is it called? Prometheus Action. And as I was listening, it kind of dawned on me, like, let's just say this was an operation to. To destabilize America, destabilize possibly the President's agenda, which I think it actually will have the adverse Effect. I think the enemy always overplays his hand. But if there has been a destabilizing factor throughout really, certainly the last 10 years, but maybe forever in the existence of our country. These ladies are very, very articulate. And I have two short clips, both a minute each, just to introduce this to you. And I'm going to be staying on this. This is going to be my new. Is going to be a new theorem for me to stick with.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

What if I told you that Donald Trump's biggest enemies are not the Obama, Clinton, Biden networks whose heads are on the line in the Russiagate revelations or even the Deep State, but it's the European monarchies who have never stopped their war against the American republic. Most people think that this is just policy politics. Republicans versus Democrats, or maybe America versus the globalists. You see the daily battles over Ukraine funding, Fed policy, or the environmental regulations as separate issues. Even Trump supporters often miss the big picture, focusing on individual bad actors or policy disputes. But what we're fighting is a system properly named the Anglo Dutch system. And what we're witnessing is unprecedented. An American president waging direct war, war against the very Anglo Dutch system that we fought the American Revolution against. Trump isn't just fighting globalists. He's taking on the European monarchy and oligarchy, led by the British monarchy and its Dutch and European partners. This is what's been bleeding America dry through its central banking system, its environmental death cult, and its endless imperial bores. I'm Susan Kokinda, and I've been tracking this imperial system for over five decades.

[Adam Curry]

Decades.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

I've documented how these same royal families created the Federal Reserve, launched the environmental movement and started every major war.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she had my attention. I'm like, huh, that's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Mainly because since you're Dutch and lived in England.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I'm like, huh? Okay, continue, please.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Today, I'm exposing three fronts in Trump's war against the European oligarchies. First, how King Charles and the Dutch are desperately keeping Ukraine burned, burning. Second, how Trump's economic policies are dismantling their centuries old ideology of environmental destruction. And third, how his Fed battle strikes at the very heart of the financial empire that's ruled the United States since 1913. So why is the Ukraine war continuing when Trump has a clear mandate to end it and he wants to end the killing because of the empire's stranglehold over Europe. So look at this. This the very first European country to pony up almost $600 million in arms purchases from the United States to keep the Ukraine Conflict going is the Netherlands. 600 million. That's a small country. This is the Netherlands, as in the Dutch half of the Anglo Dutch imperial system. And the other European countries that immediately jumped in, Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Notice something? They're all monarchs. You can use your favorite AI to look at the ties between these royal families and the British monarchy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't need to use AI because I know the history of the monarchies. And as I'm thinking about this, I'm like, where did Trump's Russia problems really stem from? The Steele Report Christopher Steele Former MI6 agent We have British journalists showing up in our news all the time because. Because. Is that just because they sound authoritative? Robert Maxwell Very interesting if you tie that into Ghislaine Maxwell. Yes, he was an agent, they say, for Mossad, but he was also an MI6 agent. This was the big thing, is that he was a double agent. Soros started his career with banks as part of the City of London. The big banks ING Group, Dutch HSBC holdings operating from British colonial Hong Kong, Barclays, JP Morgan Chase. Now mainly, primarily American, but it has Anglo roots. Rutgers University, Columbia University, Hofstra, Harvard, Cambridge, Yale pharmaceuticals, Glaxo Viatris, AstraZeneca Media and Publishing Reed Elsevier. Now it's the Relics Group. Thompson, Reuters. Where most of our news comes from is, you know, regurgitated from Reuters Education, Pearson Publishing Giant in Education Energy Shell BP Retail consumer goods for advertising. Ahold, Dutch Big, big corporation. Unilever, Dutch, US Dutch, British asml Big part of our, our chip manufacturing. I just had never really considered particularly seeing now what the EU is doing and how badly they want war. And what President Trump, if you look at it in that light, and he says, I'm going after the people that are funding all of this stuff, it put my head in a different space and I can't make any conclusions. I don't know if you're rolling your eyes, but I'm like, you know, know there's something to this, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna go down this rabbit hole for a while.

[Adam Curry]

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased as punch that Adam is back to his crackpot status, which will improve the show to no end. People have always bitched and moaned about this, and now it's back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I can't just do it on demand.

[Adam Curry]

I like it, but hey, I, I'm not rolling my eyes at all. I think it's a. It's great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, thank you. Kind of unexpected, but the thing, the thing that got me Was Christopher Steele that, that report, that's what started it.

[Adam Curry]

And no, it's a, it's a confluence of a whole bunch of things that Christopher Steele is a trigger, but that those women. And when she says she's been doing this for 50 years, I believe she probably has been and she's probably so deep, deep down in the hole. That should provide some very entertaining segments for the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, you're going to get them for sure.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This is great. Look at this. Just what we needed for second half of show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm not going to put it in second. Look at, look at the first big casualty of Epstein information being released. UK Ambassador to the US Mandelson, one week before President Trump is scheduled to go over there and have some kind of meeting. It's very possible, you know, his background is Scottish.

[Adam Curry]

We've actually had clips on this show that indicate that the British in particular, I never thought of the Dutch as part of it, but okay, the Dutch are one of the largest.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Dutch are one of the largest investors in the United States.

[Adam Curry]

But the British in particular have always been trying to run games on us.

[John C. Dvorak]

They hate us. They never got over it.

[Adam Curry]

They hate us.

[John C. Dvorak]

They never got over it.

[Adam Curry]

I believe that to be true now. They've never gotten over the fact that, in fact, if you read. I've always noticed this because I'm a book collector, among other things. And so I have a lot of history books that were written between 1860 and 1910. There's a lot of history books written in there. After World War I, these books all changed. But before World War I, these history books you can read, you can find any old history book and start reading about the British and the hatred and vitriol that is expressed in these history books is unbelievable. It was just we hated them and hated them and hated them until they suckered us into World War I. And then all of a sudden the propaganda machine got into play. We had the Bernays phenomenon, we had all the public relations, all this came into play.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bertrand Russell.

[Adam Curry]

And the next thing you know, right. Bertrand, who is British. And the next thing you know, we're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Big British Austin Powers. Austin Powers, big troublemaker.

[Adam Curry]

Anglophiles after hating and hating and hating on them for over a hundred years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Years. Who brought us the slaves? The Dutch. Yes, they transported. Who, who waged war on China with the opium wars.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And we're paying the penalty for that.

[John C. Dvorak]

And who has an opioid problem right now? Where are these precursors made? Could that be one of the big Pharmaceuticals. There's a lot of open questions.

[Adam Curry]

I'm all. I'm. I'll be all in on. On you doing this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you just.

[Adam Curry]

You're new beat.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is my new beat.

[Adam Curry]

And the other thing, so get off Fox.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was. Oh, no, you're the Fox guy. I'm not really on Fox. It was when. When Putin and Xi and Modi, they all got together and it wasn't really played up much, but there was, from what I understand, there was talk about building energy projects in Russia with what's our Westinghouse, which doesn't seem like you're anti American if you want to build an energy project in Russia with Westinghouse. But it was the finance minister. I haven't been able to find it yet, but he posted two pictures. Like meme pictures, like AI generator. Like, no agenda art generator stuff. And one was with the panda bear and the Russian bear. And what do you have? What is India's symbol? What kind of animal do they have? Have.

[Adam Curry]

It's a good question.

[John C. Dvorak]

I forget what it is.

[Adam Curry]

Somebody in the chat wouldn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so they had those three and then one underneath it, adding the United States and had the US Flag. And it was, which one would you prefer? And I'm just thinking, you know how Trump really wants to do business with Russia? President Putin got a great relationship with him. President Xi, I got a great relationship with him. Him, Modi, Good guy. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

He's impressed with Modi in a different way because if you recall, during his first term, he went to a rally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the big rally in the. In the stadium. Oh, yeah. And he loved it.

[Adam Curry]

It made Trump's rallies look like small potatoes. And Trump had these massive rallies compared to everybody else. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

He loved it.

[Adam Curry]

He loved it and he was so impressed with it. Wow. How do you do this? Hundreds of thousands of people in this massive stadium.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. So just for a moment, I'm just imagining, what if President Trump is completely savvy to this? He's known this from the get go. And this would be the 5D chess that everyone talks about. And he's like, how do we bring down. Because remember, Swift is not run by the Federal Reserve. Swift is run out of Brussels, the City of London. They're the ones that screwed up the dollar with the trade. That kind of, you know, that necessitated all kinds of changes to the financial systems. The Forex trade and the Libor scandal. Libor scandal, which screwed up our interest rates. All of these things all came out of the Anglo Dutch monarchy organizations. I got to Come up with a better acronym than these ladies have. The Anglo Dutch system is no good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it sucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like the Limey Gouda head system. Whatever. We'll come up with something. I'm working on, on it. But what if he really wants to team up with India, China, Russia, and bring those, those Brits down and those flatlanders once and for all?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you always get the impression, especially during, when Trump was out and Biden was in and even before Trump, that Putin has been aware of something like this. Yeah, because he acts like it. And he always. He was blaming me for. He says, you know, the people are getting suckered into this and that and the other thing. And it's possible that Putin is clued in. I mean, it's perfect for the show. Let me just put it that way. It has a lot of legs. It's a bottomless pit. If this works for 50 years, four more years. 50 years. And so, yeah, I'm totally a subscriber to these sorts of things.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so if you're talking about. Just to briefly bring it back to Charlie Kirk, if you're talking about some kind of professional hit with a patsy that is meant to destabilize America's youth, our political system get. When, when you have people fighting each other, that's. That's how you conquer them. It's obvious. And the fact that the President said, I'm going after the people who finance it, it, that's. I'm like, okay. And that's clearly. Soros clearly is from the UK banking system. And by the way, these people don't care about the Brits either. They do not care. They just care about the empire. And, you know, we've been watching. We watched the Gilded Age, where all of the, you know, it's actually a lot of the Dutch were in New York early. You know, the New Amsterdam. New Amsterdam, the Driesmans. This is the early rise of J.P. morgan. And of course, after that, we went back and we're watching Downton Abbey, which is actually quite enjoyable, mainly from the historical perspective. And you just see, like, yeah, man, I can't believe these Brits. We kicked their butt and that was it, that the pride went away. I don't believe it for a second. Not from these families and the monarchies and how everyone's connected and inbred. And it's only 250 years ago. That's not very long. Amsterdam was the center of. They invented the stock exchange. They invented the whole concept. They invented the Ponzi scheme. Or the, I'm sorry, Tulip mania Ponzi scheme, I think was in Italy. Yeah, the bubble. They invented the bubble. So all of these things, if you go back and we never, we never taught this in school. School, we never go back far enough into history to even think about these things. America.

[Adam Curry]

To kids, world history is boring. But it, but my experience with history and people who teach it, it's not boring in the least. It's the teachers who are boring.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So this kind of fits in with this latest move by the president against the NATO allies. Patience right now with US. President Donald Trump on Saturday called on NATO allies to stop buying Russian oil while also threatening China with massive tariffs for its own purchases of Russian petroleum. In a social media post, Trump called the oil buying by some NATO members shocking, saying it greatly weakens the alliance's negotiating position. Russian Federation, while attacking. His comments come just days after Russian drones violated Polish airspace, prompting NATO to launch a new East Eastern century deterrence.

[Adam Curry]

Program type objects into Polish airspace.

[John C. Dvorak]

The remarks also follow last month's summit in Alaska between Trump and Vladimir Putin, which failed to achieve a breakthrough on ending the war. Several NATO members, including Turkey, Hungary and Slovakia, continue to be major buyers of Russian oil after the invasion of Ukraine. Trump also repeated his claim that the conflict is Biden's and Zelensky's war and would not have a. If he had been president when it began in early 2022. So President Trump is saying, yeah, sure, I'll do sanctions. You guys. Stop buying their oil, which would cripple them, because we all know that they're buying Russian oil. It would cripple them. So this seems like a, like a sl, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

That's a pretty good trick, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was just thinking, wouldn't it be so typical for the. And when I say Anglo Dutch, I'm talking about the Dutch people or the, or the British people. People. I'm talking about the Anglo Dutch system to get everyone to blame it all on the Jews. You can just see them laughing about that, man. We got them to blame the Jews.

[Adam Curry]

For it because they're bankers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

And the Rothschilds are involved.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wouldn't it be fantastic? Here's something.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think they're going to do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, but it's happening. It's happening. They're just.

[Adam Curry]

No, I, I think that's a. I don't know what, what's going on there. I think there's an explanation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here is.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think they're blaming the Jews. I think they're really out. There's something about Netanyahu they have to deal with and they don't like him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or there's that, too. He has a lot of things not to like about him. He's not a player. Probably here is a little too short clip breakdown from my boy Andrew Rasulas on Trump's message here. That is, hey, you stop buying your oil, then we'll put some sanctions on.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Joining us now is Andrew Rasulas, retired official of the Department of National Defense. Mr. Rasulis, welcome. What do you make of Trump's calls today on NATO allies? Do you think it could make any difference on Russia's stance at this point?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't think it'll even get.

[Adam Curry]

There because it's a very weak statement.

[John C. Dvorak]

It carries a very large if.

[Adam Curry]

And the if is all European countries.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop importing Russian oil. Now, that means chiefly Hungary, Slovakia and Turkey, which import vast amounts of Russian oil.

[Adam Curry]

Their economies are dependent on cheap Russian.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oil to now expect that they will.

[Adam Curry]

Do Trump's bidding and stop with the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sort of underlying understanding that the Americans will then put some undefined sanctions on top of all the other sanctions that.

[Adam Curry]

They put on Russia and somehow bring the war to an end.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think this is a very illusory.

[Adam Curry]

Statement by the president. I don't think there's much to it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, because it's a troll, basically. And of course, we want to know how this might affect China, if it does at all.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

What about China, who he directly called out, what sort of impact could tariffs have there?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, exactly the, I mean, he, he did on India. All right, he did on India.

[Adam Curry]

And it had no effect.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Indians have said, forget it.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to continue to buy Russian oil despite the tariffs imposed on them.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the United States. On China, it's a very different degree. The Chinese import the most of Russian oil and the Americans depend very much.

[Adam Curry]

On Chinese trade bilaterally. So if they impose tariffs on China.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or for goods entering the United States.

[Adam Curry]

This will have a significant impact on.

[John C. Dvorak]

The American economy and American consumers.

[Adam Curry]

So Trump has never actually followed through on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's been saying that this has been.

[Adam Curry]

Going for weeks now, but he's pulled back.

[John C. Dvorak]

So because that is impractical. So basically, there are very strict limits.

[Adam Curry]

As to what the United States and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Europeans or Canadians can do to actually.

[Adam Curry]

Affect the Russian economy. Economy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. He doesn't actually want to now through this new lens. It doesn't want to do that. We want to screw those guys over there and I think if you were to flip the bricks on its head and make it the. The A bricks. America, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. We'll just add them in there, which I mean. Hey boys, guess what? We're all going to use this Stablecoin over here. Screw those Europeans with their digital euro. Cue Lagarde.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

One year on from the release of Mario Draghi's report on the future of European competitiveness, it remains essential to follow up on its recommendations with further concrete.

[John C. Dvorak]

Action and to accelerate implementation in line.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

With the European Commission's roadmap. Governments should prioritize growth, enhancing structural reforms and strategic investment while ensuring sustainable public finance.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is critical to complete the savings.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

And investment union and the banking union.

[John C. Dvorak]

To an ambitious timetable and to rapidly.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Establish the legislative framework for the potential.

[John C. Dvorak]

Introduction of our digital Europe. Too little too late, baby. You can't catch up. Stablecoin is here. It's much more fun to look at the world this way. No wonder people want to leave Britain.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, it's getting bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

You saw the protest?

[Adam Curry]

I have a clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let me see.

[Adam Curry]

London, huge protest, easy to find. A far right protest turned violent in London today. Vicki Barker has this report from the British capital.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Chanting anti immigrant slogans and waving flags, though marchers, more than 100,000 police estimate, filled the streets of central London. And they heard the anti immigrant Anti Islam act activist Tommy Robinson tell them to savor the moment, to feel their strength.

[Adam Curry]

You are part of a tidal wave of patriotism that is sweeping across this country.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Britain, he said, has finally awoken. A few thousand counter demonstrators from the group Stand up to Racism held their rally a few hundred yards away.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was like 100,000 versus it looked like a thousand thousand.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what they said in the report. A hundred thousand. And then of course, why even mention the other groups? Only you know 1/100th way you guys are racist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Who had the professionally printed signs? The smaller group, of course. But meanwhile, some of this pressure may be having an effect and this is why. This is why a war economy is needed. This is why we're going to. Well, we'll get into eastern central country. France is teetering.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

France's sovereign credit score is at its lowest level on record, previously rated AA minus. The country has been downgraded by one notch to a by credit rating agency Fitch. The agency explains this is a consequence of continuing political instability. They say the government's defeat in a confidence vote illustrates the increased fragmentation and polarization of domestic politics. This instability weakens the political system's capacity to deliver substantial fiscal consolidation. In its report, Fitch paints a grim picture of the state of France's public finances. According to the agency, the deficit is expected to remain above 5% next year and debt is expected to rise to 121% of GDP in 2027, up from 114% today. For this economy, economists, the downgrade has limited but real consequences. The impact of this downgrade is a lower quality debt, meaning certainly an increase.

[Adam Curry]

In risk that could continue.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

And so this concretely means for France an increased debt burden, which means a higher level of interest that it repays each year. The outgoing Minister of the Economy, Eric Lombard, has taken note of Fitch's decision. The new Prime Minister, Sebastian Le Cornou's mission is to present a budget that's acceptable to the opposition. Both those on the left and the right have opposing ideas of how to balance France's books. These divisions will make a consensus difficult to achieve.

[John C. Dvorak]

The difficulty is you don't have your own money anymore. That's the difficulty. Once you went on the euro, you can't inflate your way out of a. Out of a crisis like this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the Greeks taught us that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Austerity measures coming to France and they're not going to like it. It. And then we have, we have a new.

[Adam Curry]

The French revolt all the time. So this could be like the Fifth Republic or whatever number you're up to.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it used to be cool. You know, they cut off heads and stuff. It was.

[Adam Curry]

They still do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they could, they could get back to it. We have a new. A new actor on the scene, the Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO who I've never. I don't think. I can't recall this guy ever showing up. And there he is next to Mark Rutte and. Well, here we go, everybody. Eastern sentry. We've activated it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, a couple of comments. I have issued the order tonight for Eastern Century to begin. The order went out as a press conference began. And so operations are being brought together immediately underneath my authorities as saceur. Now, it will take some time for us to bring everything together with the new contributions that have been coming in. And we'll continue to work on this and refine the design of the operation moving forward, but it begins immediately. I'll just make one comment on the dronewall. Secretary General, this is very in line with some. The. Of. Of our thoughts of fortifying our eastern flank from a land and air domain perspective. And just coming back from the Baltics, the number of states are making investments in Technologies, learning lessons from Ukraine about what kind of sensors and what kind of weapons, kinetic and non kinetic, might be effective. And so integrating those sorts of defenses into our daily deterrence activities and into our regional plans is absolutely going to be something that we want to do moving forward. Okay, so why is this guy standing next to Mark Rutte? Because he's part of the sales team they brought in. The closer this guy's like, hey, y' all want to get your, your eastern flank all squared away? We're gonna help you, but you need new gear. You need to buy some gear from us. Do you think it was a highly successful operation intercepting the, the drones that we did with our, with the Dutch F35 and the other assets that contributed to that? As successful as we are, we always learn something in the debrief, as we would say in the, in the fighter business. Here it comes. And so we are always looking for ways to enhance, to learn from the smallest tactical error to how we're approaching certain problems. And in my judgment, the scale of the incursion the other day was. It was obviously larger than previous incursions that we've had. So bringing additional resources to bear on this problem will help to solve that. So that's why we're starting this operation the way we are. I'll also highlight the comment I made about working with Allied Command Transformation and Admiral Von Da that is an effort to ensure that we get lower cost weapons that we can use to defend ourselves, to make this a sustainable operation over time. And as sacur, one of my responsibilities is to make sure that we don't just defend today, but that we're set up to defend tomorrow, the last comment I'll make is when, when there's a fighter pilot that's in the air or someone on the ground who's defending the alliance, I don't want them thinking about how much their weapons cost. I want them defending our citizens. Yeah, yeah. Don't think about cost, boys. Don't worry about it.

[Adam Curry]

Fire away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fox one, FOX two. Oh, yeah, yeah. By the way, it turns out these were not Shahid. These were Gharan drones, which pretty much are unarmed. They are autonomous.

[Adam Curry]

It's funny, one of the reports did say Shaheeds.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I know that initially we heard Shaheed, but I got a lot of people who know what they're talking about emailing me. These are Giron drones.

[Adam Curry]

And then this morning or yesterday, there was a bunch of incursions over Romania.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah, I think I actually have a clip of that. Hold On. Yes, here it is.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

It was two F16 fighter jets like these that detected a drone in Romania's airspace. The Romanian Defense Ministry says the jets were patrolling near the border following Russian airstrikes on Ukrainian infrastructure.

[John C. Dvorak]

At 18:23 F16 aircraft detected a drone in national airspace, which they tracked to approximately. Approximately 20 kilometers southwest of Chiliya Veche, where it disappeared from radar. The drone did not fly over populated areas and did not pose an imminent danger to the safety of the population.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

It's the second breach of NATO airspace in just a matter of days after Poland said it shot down several Russian drones earlier in the week. In response, the alliance is beefing up its defenses with a new operation dubbed Eastern Sentry, which aims to reinforce its eastern border with Bell, Belarus, Russia and Ukraine. The US has also vowed to defend every inch of NATO territory.

[John C. Dvorak]

This shouldn't happen.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think anybody's happy about it seeing happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

You saw NATO respond to it appropriately. We don't want to see it happen again. We think it's a unacceptable and unfortunate and dangerous development in this regard.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

With tensions high, Poland's Lublin airport temporarily closed on Saturday after a drone alert was issued. Meanwhile, Russia and Belarus. Belarus are pressing on with their joint operations near the Polish border known as Zapad 2. The two countries had already carried out similar exercises back in 2021, just months before Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Full scale invasion? Yeah. The more I think about it, the more genius this is starting to look like. Bleed them dry of all their money for not for today's war, but tomorrow's war. You don't want. You don't want your boys in the sky thinking about what it's going to cost lost.

[Adam Curry]

I love that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't want that.

[Adam Curry]

Great sales pitch.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't want fighters to be thinking you don't want that.

[Adam Curry]

You want those guys, they begin making this as a consideration, going to save money for. For. For your government.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you don't want that. You know the French are shutting down their nuclear power plants. The Germans? Yes. Oh yeah, they've decommissioned.

[Adam Curry]

French are all. The whole country is run by those nukes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think they shut down two of them already.

[Adam Curry]

No, they may be for maintenancers. I can't believe they're going to shut down any of them down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the Germans certainly did. And Germany.

[Adam Curry]

Germans did. They're stupid.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that's the green agenda. They've turned it on themselves. And we're going to screw them with their money. With the stablecoin we were taking away the Libor is gone. You don't control that anymore. Now we just got to get those mainly City of London oriented banks who are not to be named in the Federal Reserve. Get them out of the picture, which Besant is. They've got plans. Now, this will get well if, if Trump can keep himself alive. You know, they don't put those James Bond movies into your mind for nothing. Yeah, we got, we got our agents. They can kill anybody, can get anybody. They can get their man anytime they want, but we'll make them look like Austin Powers. So you don't. You're not pre. You're not, you're not clued into what we're really doing. Doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think we're on to something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, the. Oh, this. See, actually there was a kind of doubling back, but coming back to. To technology, which is obviously something, by the way. How about all those European Union finding. Finding our companies billions of dollars?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, that's been going on since the entire show.

[John C. Dvorak]

They hate it.

[Adam Curry]

They hate our Microsoft years ago, then Google and then now Meta, then Google again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they hate our influence. They want to control it.

[Adam Curry]

That's a gouge. It's a, it's a ripoff. It's a simple. They don't hate us. They love us. They can get all these billions of dollars for doing. Absolutely. Sitting on their ass.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's.

[Adam Curry]

Sit on our ass and do nothing. And then, oh, no, you, you get fined. Why would they hate us?

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds like a podcast. Let's sit on our ass and do nothing. Yeah, well, it's most podcasts, not this one. So obviously now we have to. This is your. Your girl, Kristen Welker. That's why I have the clips from Meet the Press. And she's talking to the governor, Spencer Cox. Spencer Cox. Is that the guy guy.

[Adam Curry]

Is that Cox, the Utah governor?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He's a very, He's a very politically savvy guy. He could run for president.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what I'm reading, a lot of people think he is a proverbial rhino, a Republican in name only. And he certainly. You certainly don't want this guy as president. Listen to his thoughts and his ideas about online and radicalization.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Governor, I want to ask you about something you said on Facebook Friday. You said, quote, there was a radicalization that happened in a fairly short amount of time. How was the suspect radicalized? How quickly did it happen by the.

[John C. Dvorak]

FBI, by the MI6? I mean, this radicalization can happen from anybody people.

[Adam Curry]

Well, again, those are pieces of information.

[John C. Dvorak]

That we're still gathering, trying to understand.

[Adam Curry]

We do know.

[John C. Dvorak]

And again, this is he in intelligence. All of a sudden, this guy we're gathering.

[Adam Curry]

Funny thing is he looks like he's from intelligence. He has that look. You're right. Now, as you mentioned, he has an intelligence look. He looks like it a spook. And he says the right things. And, and when they bring up some of these radicalization programs, you know, the intelligence people are the ones who could, you know, they got all these, you know, Quantico and all these people to do a personality analysis and they owe your weak spots and they can come in and convince you of something that's not going to happen. Like you have a whole group of them down there in Fredericksburg that think, you know, the grid's going down or whatever the. Whatever. Whatever they want to try as a joke.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they, they exactly. They psyop our people here. He is, of course, in Utah. He is. I believe he is, yes. He went on mission for the. So he's a Mormon. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, that's what you're supposed to say. They don't like the word Mormon.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they don't. That's why I said Church of Jesus Christ.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. No, I appreciate what you did, but I'm just pointing that out to the audience.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, but they are very deeply entrenched in intelligence. They have records on everybody. Didn't Ancestry.com start with them?

[Adam Curry]

I think you might be right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Because they have the belief as a religion that they can baptize you in death.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's. That's right. That's right. Which is appreciated. But it's okay. I already gave it the office.

[Adam Curry]

It's not appreciated by everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

I gave it the office. I don't need it anymore.

[Adam Curry]

Of information that we're still gathering, trying to understand. We do know. And again, this is, this has been well publicized that this was a very normal young man, a very, very smart young man. 4o student. I think it's a 34 on the ACT. Went to. Went to.

[John C. Dvorak]

How does he know all this stuff? I haven't seen any of his, his scholastic record.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's. That. That came out okay. 34 on the act. Went to. Went to my alma mater, Utah State University, but was only there for a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very short amount of time.

[Adam Curry]

I dropped out after, after less than one semester. And it seemed to happen kind of after that. After, after he had, he had moved back to, to, to the southern part of Utah. Clearly there was, there was a Lot of gaming going. It was kind of that deep, dark Internet, the Reddit culture and these other dark places of the Internet where this person was. Stop for a second. I take back what I said about him being a potential presidential candidate because of this interaction he's going through right now. He is using a scattergun style of talking. So it's not smooth. He's not smooth. I mean, when he gave his prepared speeches, he sounded very presidential. But here's not. He's all over the map. He can't, he doesn't have a structured flow. It doesn't come off well.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

So no, he's out.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's. But, you know, and also Utah has all the big data centers. Any place.

[Adam Curry]

There's some in Colorado.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know. But Utah, well known, well known. He's a fan of the band the Killers. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It was kind of that deep, dark Internet, the Reddit culture and these, these other dark places of the Internet where, where person was, was going deep.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you, you saw that on the.

[Adam Curry]

On the casings, I think, I mean.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't have any idea what the, what. You saw that on the casings? Again, we didn't see anything.

[Adam Curry]

He's stammering like a maniac, which. He's stammering to the, to the extent that he's lying.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's not being, he's not being honest.

[Adam Curry]

Was. Was going deep. And you, you saw that on the, on the casings? I think. I, I mean, I didn't have any.

[John C. Dvorak]

Idea what the, what those inscriptions, many.

[Adam Curry]

Of those inscriptions even meant that certainly the memeification that is happening in our society today.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, this podcast, the no Agenda show, is only available on the dark Web.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Governor, I want to delve into some of the messaging that we have heard from you. Lawmakers, governors, both parties across the country have frankly praised what we heard from you on Friday.

[Adam Curry]

Your unifying message.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

You said you see this as a watershed moment.

[Adam Curry]

Moment.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

How can this nation step back from the brink?

[John C. Dvorak]

Governor, so he was so good. He. From the brink. He, he was so good that you even kind of fell for it until you heard this interview. Because he was good. He. He had a, you know, a message that was needed at that moment, but we needed some details too.

[Adam Curry]

So look, this is what you, you mentioned in the introduction, but we have. Well, it starts right away with a laugh. Tell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen to her lead in again.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, I resent the fact you said that I fell for it. Well, I don't, because I did. But it's beside the point.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not. By the way, I need to apologize for something, not for that comment I just made.

[Adam Curry]

Well, what would that be? What else did you say about me that you need to apologize?

[John C. Dvorak]

It was not about you. Oh, I said something about Brennan.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes, Brennan. Brennan and Jay were quite upset about you calling him. As I recall, the exact word was a deadbeat. When it's anything but, he's a very responsible. And by the way, he's an Eagle Scout, if anybody cares, but a lot of Eagle Scouts out there, and very responsible person. And it was, I think, actionable insult.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it was not. It was meant as a joke, obviously.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Mimi noticed it was kind of a joke.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course.

[Adam Curry]

You make these offhanded comments. It was a joke coming from the. The love you have for the family.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And it came in a conversation where you were making fun of Mimi's voice. So I'm like, it's fair game now. But that's. But I apologize.

[Adam Curry]

That's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I'm sorry. No, that's right. It was right before you.

[Adam Curry]

And I wasn't making fun of her voice. She's. Her mic voice is a very sexy voice. She's developed. I called her out on it later. I called her, said, where'd you get. What are you developing this voice? Because she wears the cans and she doesn't like her voice, and so she's working. Hello? So she's working on this bull crap voice. It sounds terrific. She could get at work doing that voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was right before. Right after you called me a bigot and before you called me an ego egomaniac about the sound of my own voice. So.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I. Yes, that's true. Okay, well, I'm fair game.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm fair game.

[Adam Curry]

Instead of your normal attack of me, you went after poor old Brennan.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was. I. I said it because I know that you know, because of the. The departure of. What company left. Oh, the Chevron.

[Adam Curry]

Chevron, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm sorry. Of course. And by the way, I remember Jay when.

[Adam Curry]

Sweet of you to apologize to Brennan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And also to J. They're married, and I'm sure she got. And she didn't mention anything to me, but this got back to me, and so I'm really sorry. I've known Jay since she was 15, and I love her working with us.

[Adam Curry]

And she does a terrific job.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Brennan's a good guy. I've never met him, but you like him, so that automatically.

[Adam Curry]

He's an Oliff guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm sorry. This is what you get when you only listen to the no Agenda show once in a while. You haven't heard all the other stuff we talked about about you. So I'm sorry. I really am.

[Adam Curry]

I, I, I think that they should be listening to the. Jay was listening to the show with more consistency and Brandon listens once in a while. He was listening in the car I guess when you insulted him and. But they almost go off listen to the show. I don't understand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did they almost drive their Tesla off the road.

[Adam Curry]

Driving a minivan?

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, onward.

[Adam Curry]

Unifying message.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

You said you see this as a water shed moment. How can this nation step back from the brink? Governor.

[Adam Curry]

So look, this is, you mentioned it in the introduction, but we have seen an escalation in violence that has been happening across the country. We've had periods like this in our past history. I've mentioned before in the late 60s and early 70s certainly we saw these types of high profile political assassinations. Another dark time in our history. People keep waiting for somebody to lead us out of this and I think that's a mistake. I don't think any one person, certainly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not a governor, I don't think a.

[Adam Curry]

President, I don't think anyone can change the trajectory of this. It truly is about every single one of us. And I can't emphasize enough the damage that social media and the Internet is doing there.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is of us. Cox for president.

[Adam Curry]

Those dopamine hits. These companies trillion dollar market caps. The most powerful companies in the history of the world have figured out how to hack our br. Get us addicted to the rate. Stop. So what social media company has a trillion dollar valuation? I can tell you what.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meta, Meta.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think they have a trillion dollar valuation. Not a market cap. Okay, I know Apple does, but that's not. Nvidia does.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not social media.

[Adam Curry]

I think Google goes, I think Microsoft for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but those aren't social media accounts companies.

[Adam Curry]

The social media companies to me are no money like. Well no, they make money. I mean meta makes money. Yeah, Meta is a good example but I don't think they're. I'll look it up, but I don't. That'd be the only one possibly with a, with a trillion dollar market. Well, I don't think they have.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're not the most powerful companies in the world. No, I agree, they're not. That's.

[Adam Curry]

And people who are on these platforms like Twitter or Blue sky, your favorite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

Or any of these other ones.

[John C. Dvorak]

I went on Blue sky the other day hadn't been on. I had to reset my password. Hadn't been on there in months. That guy who yells at me every day is still yelling. Every day. Every day. One guy. No, I'm not on that.

[Adam Curry]

You should take some of these clips and ever take some screenshots and read them because you, you know, the guy, he's got a certain kind of voice that you, you could emulate perfectly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, but let me finish these clips and then, and then I'll. I'll give you some joy.

[Adam Curry]

Figured out how to hack our brains. Get us addicted to outrage, which is the same type of dopamine, the same ch that you get from taking fentanyl. Get us addicted to outrage and get us to hate each other. I'm seeing it in real time since the tragic death of Charlie Kirk. I'm seeing it in every corner of our society. The conflict. Entrepreneurs are taking advantage of us and we are losing our agency. And we have to take that back. We have to turn it off. We have to get back to community, caring about our neighbors, the things that make American great, serving each other, bettering ourselves, exercising, sleeping. All of those things that this takes away from us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, you want to hear some of this guy?

[Adam Curry]

Well, first I want to mention about this, this, this, this idea of taking social media away. Does he understand what's going on in Nepal?

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Exactly. You really want to be careful. Take it. This is the one thing we warned of. Don't. Don't even take TikTok away. Be writing. We'll finish these. This is. He's going to make a great little comparison. If you could compare social media to anything bad, what will you compare it to?

[Adam Curry]

If I was going to compare social media to something bad, I compare it to war.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Well, Governor, you referred to social media as a cancer on Friday. That's an incredibly strong word. Do you believe that social media played a direct role in this assassination?

[Adam Curry]

I believe that social media has played a direct role in every single assassination and assassination attempt that we have seen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Over the last five, six.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Six years.

[John C. Dvorak]

What happened to gaming? Come on, man. You afraid?

[Adam Curry]

There is no question in my mind that cancer probably isn't a strong enough word. What we have done, especially to our kids, a decade to realize how evil these algorithms are. And we're doing everything in Utah, first state in the nation a couple years ago to pass comprehensive reform. Sadly, these most powerful companies on earth are suing us to prevent us from implementing these things. Okay. By the way.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

And we believe. We.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, yeah, this is the Funny part.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, before you play, I'm just going to say meta 1.8 trillion. Okay. I was way off.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is the funny part where he's talking about social media companies and I guess he's on Zoom and then he gets cut off years ago to pass comprehensive reform.

[Adam Curry]

Sadly, these most powerful companies on Earth are suing us to prevent us from implementing these things.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he's gone and.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

And we believe we just lost our connection. Governor Cox there, you heard him speaking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very forcefully against trying to drag it out to get him back. He never came back. But you know who did come back for the final clip? Mayor Pete.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

I mean, you heard Governor Cox refer to social media as a cancer. And the question I think becomes what to do about it? Do you agree with that assessment? Is social media actually a cancer right now, Mr. Secretary?

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's get some consensus. And is he still allowed to be called Mr. Secretary?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's a protocol allowance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, well, and of course, secretary general outpaces Mr. Secretary anything.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, people should, when next show is show 1800 people should contribute their 500 a piece and get those secretary generalships in for the next show. It's going to be a long, hopefully long donation segment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Social media is clearly part of the.

[Adam Curry]

Problem in a big way.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it speaks to something that's even bigger than the political polarization of this moment. Although I think the Internet has played a role. But it's more than that.

[Adam Curry]

It's what is it doing to our brains?

[John C. Dvorak]

Look, every time there's one of these killings in a summer that began with the assassination in June of a Democratic lawmaker by somebody with a kill list of death Democrats and is ending this September with the assassination of a conservative figure. And you go back through so many other cases, political and not of violence, there is not a consistent pattern of left versus right among the shooters, but there is a pattern where we see so many of these people are men, usually young men, who seem to spend more and more of their time in dark and twisted corners of the Internet. And I think there is a sickness, not just the sickness of somebody who would pick up a gun and shoot someone, but I think a broader societal.

[Adam Curry]

Sickness that frankly, I think you could.

[John C. Dvorak]

See and feel in how many people.

[Adam Curry]

Around America, normal people, not dangerous people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Normal were at a moment when we all should have still been praying for the victim and his family were busy online praying for some shred of evidence that the shooter would turn out to be from the other political team. That is not healthy and that is not a way forward but that is exactly what the algorithm pushes us to do. Wow. There's some. There's some agenda here. There's some agenda at play.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. There's too much of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Too much anti social media.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's anti social Networks. There's. Yeah. Met is 1.8 trillion. I didn't realize it was that big much. Silly you. There's. There's something going on. They're trying to do something. They're trying to. I think it's to implement censorship before some event or. They're trying. It's a censorship play.

[John C. Dvorak]

They want digital id, man. Digital ID in the dark corner. Dark corners of the Internet.

[Adam Curry]

Discord. That. That's been a push, Fortune. It's a push, but they're. They're not going to get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're going back to bulletin boards, people. I got five lines on my bbs.

[Adam Curry]

I remember. Yeah. People would have. They. The phone companies were making out like bandits during that era because you'd get 10 lines into your house.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. And you have your modem bank, you know, the whole. The whole night going off. Yep. Click, click.

[Adam Curry]

Bunch of phones operation. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Running on a single. 286. Ah, good times, everybody. Good times. Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage in the morning to you, the man who put the C in Cox for president. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Du.

[Adam Curry]

Marie was secrets feeding the air substance in the water and all the names and knights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yo, yo. In the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Hello. We're doing good now. 23, 28 at the peak. There you go. We're almost back at our 2400. I know you say it's 25, but I think 24 is where we actually were. And these trolls are checking us out on the troll room. You can get there by going tonoagenda stream.com. you can log in there, an IRC client, or get yourself a modern podcast app. And never miss a single live show. Always get updated within 90 seconds. Oh, by the way, did I tell you that that. Now Apple, it looks like they're going to be adopting yet another podcasting 2.0 feature.

[Adam Curry]

Which one, pray tell?

[John C. Dvorak]

Chapters. Chapters. So we've had these. Well, some people call them super chapters, Cloud chapters, Dreb Scott makes them for us. And they're portable, so you can, you know, that's why you see them on noagendashow.net, you see them in the podcast apps and you don't have to bake them into your phone file, because if we did that, we'd have to wait hours before even being able to publish the show because we'd have to figure out all the chapters first. And so now you just publish the show and then the chapters are done. No. And then, you know, Dreb, Dreb sometimes listening in real time, and he just hits the button and boom, the chapters are there. So looks like Apple's gonna do that, which is good because I. You know, of all the legacy apps, I think Apple is probably the one that has the chance of innovating. Everyone else just sucks. So. Podcast apps.com Man, 1799 episodes of the no Agenda show. The next one will be our big 1800, our 18th anniversaries coming up. And all these years we've been doing it value for value, which means we just give you the show. There's no barriers to entry. It's like free speech. You literally get our speech for free. However, if you want to continue receiving that speech, all you have to do is from time to time, whenever you feel you've gotten some value. Enough value. More than enough value, send it back to the show. If everyone did that, you'd never hear us complain. And we're not complaining because we're still here and we enjoy it. We enjoy doing this as a public service. And you can support us in many ways. Organizing meetups. Did you have a meetup on some Saturday?

[Adam Curry]

In fact, I did, and I have the results from the meetup, which will be coming up shortly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, good, good, good. I didn't get a meetup report from the Port Angeles meetup. I was expecting. Or Mimi. Hi, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Hi.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Mimi with the cans on.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

But she's got.

[Adam Curry]

She's got a good pair of cans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Okay. Yes. You got a good pair of cans. I'm isoing that. It's perfect. Also, you know, boots on the ground, people sending clips. Everything is incredibly appreciated. And one thing people do is, you know, I'm slowly giving up on the idea that we could. That I can fight artificial intelligence by myself. I can't. So we'll just wait until it all collapses. Oh, bonus clip time. Bonus clip. Bonus clip. Ready for a bonus clip? This is a special donation segment.

[Adam Curry]

I'm on pins and needles.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we were laughing on the last show about Oracle, how they're. I think you said this is even more ridiculous than pets.com, that they.

[Adam Curry]

I think you said that. You brought up pets.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I better brought up pets.com. you said no, no, it's much worse by a factor.

[Adam Curry]

I could have said that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. A factor of 10. Expecting to go from that's a big operation.

[Adam Curry]

Pest.com just died on the volume.

[John C. Dvorak]

But going from 14 billion in today's revenue which missed their quarterly revenue and profit targets to 2029 which is only three and a half years away where Oracle expects to have $149 billion in revenue. And everyone wait. Oh wow. Well, our fine friends over there at CNBC have figured out how this is going to work and what is powering the the AI spending spree. You're going to love it. Shares of Oracle today falling a bit following that 35% surge yesterday on its massive revenue backlog. And we now know where the majority of that revenue will come from. It's open a that $300 billion deal for compute Power, among the largest cloud contracts ever signed. Our Mackenzie Segalos has more on that in today's tech check. Hey Mac.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Hey Carl. So I's out here in Silicon Valley about how Open Air is now bankrolling the trillion dollar club and they're trying to make sense of this loop. The sky high fundraising spending so fast that it clogs supplier backlogs and pumps up the market caps of legacy giants who have remained branded themselves as an AI play. Now one investor telling me that the real story is the power struggle with Nvidia saying that OpenAI feels threatened and wants to diffuse the dynamic by making some of its smaller rivals a lot stronger. In the last week OpenAI has fired two shots in that direction. A $10 billion Broadcom partnership to build a GPU rival and then this massive Oracle deal. Both are meant to spread leverage across the stack. Now other VCs were marveling at Sam Altman sprawl. One investor saying that he is really trying to out Elon Elon pointing to his custom chip ambitions and that top secret consumer device being built in a lab under Jony I've skeptics say the spending math does not work. Most VCs are priced out at a $500 billion valuation. They say that sovereign wealth and Middle east capital is keeping this entire ecosystem afloat. Another VC under underlined the tightrope that everyone is walking here. The numbers look impossible on their face but the constraint is compute and energy. So yes, it is a gamble for these hyperscalers. But that trillion dollar capex wave has to happen in order for this thesis to clear. Now the next test is whether OpenAI can lock in more funding and nail its agentic strategy. In order to deliver on that $125 billion revenue target for 2020 29, that will be key to turning Oracle's backlog into cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

We just need more money. If you can just give us more money, we're gonna make so much money. You're gonna be so rich. You're gonna get. Leave your wife rich money. It's gonna be fantastic. Just four more years of money. This is fantastic. Larry Ellison is actually quite smart. He's just gonna let those guys raise the money and he's gonna take it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. Larry's always been smart.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is. But this, it's like, hey, you know what? Enjoy your art generator while it lasts. Everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Enjoy everything. This is the time to get it while you can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, get it while you can is right.

[Adam Curry]

You know, and we're doing a good job of exploiting it. This art generators that. All the art that we're getting, and the songs even. And.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And the clips at the end of the show. Occasionally. Occasionally. Yeah, it's all free.

[John C. Dvorak]

Someone said to me, hey, can we make a deal? Like, I'll give $50 to every artist who creates art that's chosen that isn't AI generated. I'm like, just give it up, man. Forget about it.

[Adam Curry]

Just give it up. Just give it up. Bite the bullet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Give it up. Bite the bullet.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blue Acorn came in with a win. It was a good piece. You know, we, we. We ping pong back and forth on a couple of things, but, yeah, this.

[Adam Curry]

Wasn'T my favorite at first.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I forgot.

[Adam Curry]

There was this one I liked. I forgot what it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, first, let me.

[Adam Curry]

I like the Robot Cops.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So this was the Statue of Liberty yelling at a pudgy Uncle Sam asleep with his teddy bear, Wake up. Wake up. Which, you know, people liked it. You know, it could be. It was cute many different ways. I also got a note from. From our Ria guy, and he's who did the logo. The logo. The Austin logo construction. He says, 100% Photoshop. He says, no, AI, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

He said Illustrator.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Illustrator. I'm sorry. Yes, Illustrator, this is Sir Shug. Yes, Sir Shug. There you go. Foe diddly. That's it. So here on this particular art, in.

[Adam Curry]

Fact, he eschewed Photoshop in favor of illustrating. He made it point he didn't know. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Robot Cops. Yeah. It just didn't do it for me.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I know it was kind of a dark image.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was rather dark. Did we talk about anything else that we kind of like?

[Adam Curry]

And I mean, dark in terms of luminosity. Which brings up the point that some people, you know, you get these things. You hear us complaining or us mostly Adam. He's always moaning and groaning. Adam has a thing about this orange Ish art. Take the art and take a. Pull it out, drop it into Photoshop and. And change the orange. Brighten it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, brighten it up. Yeah. Do some work.

[Adam Curry]

You can do that. It's not that hard.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they can't. They see. It's like, make it brighter, make it bright. Like. Like that cat. Make it brighter. Prompting, prompting, prompting.

[Adam Curry]

So anyway, you also like the xylophone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I like the simplicity of it, but it was a little. You actually, I think said too simplistic. Which is. That's Nico Sim xylophone. Yeah. And then you're like, oh, man, I love these evergreen logos. The one with no agenda, with the microphone and the headphones. Yeah, over my dead body. That's like the most.

[Adam Curry]

I use it for the newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

The most overused elements of any podcast logo.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm not arguing that. You just. That's a bigotry. You should look up the definite definition.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I don't have time for that.

[Adam Curry]

Today we have the bigotry. I have. My bigotry is gruesome art.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, you're very.

[Adam Curry]

Accept any sort of gruesome art.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very bigoted against.

[Adam Curry]

And I have. And the reason for that is because it's associative and I don't like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I know, I know, I know. Thank you, Blue Acorn. Very happy with your piece. No agenda Art generator dot com. Everybody can participate if you. Easy, kids. Just go to your favorite air generator. Make something up. It still needs. Still needs a good idea. Without a good idea, you can't get there. So there's that. And of course, we always like to thank the people who supported us with financial value for value. We thank everybody. $50 and above. You can keep score at home. And we have a special bonus for those fortunate enough who are able to just, like Hollywood buy. By the way, I mean, you can pay your. Your. What is a movie ticket these days? Is it 20 bucks now?

[Adam Curry]

No, it's at least.

[John C. Dvorak]

That used to be five, then it was seven.

[Adam Curry]

I remember what it's like a dollar.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we had a Nickelodeon and we were happy. Now, what was the thing called? What was that where you put a. A penny in and.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's a kinescope.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rotoscope. What is it called?

[Adam Curry]

I don't. You got me.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know.

[Adam Curry]

No, I Don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

You were the.

[Adam Curry]

There I was. But I remember it was like we still had those things, I think at Riverview park in Chicago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. In the woods. You'd be looking through it. Yeah. So if you are fortunate enough to support us with $200 or more, we'll give you a title, a Hollywood credit, which is an Associate executive producer. And we'll read your note and if it's $300 or above, you become an executive producer of the no Agenda show for that episode. And we'll read your note as well. And of course, you can use these anywhere Hollywood style. Credits are recognized. That would be your LinkedIn, your blue sky. Put it in your profile. Your blue sky. That'll get you lots of friends. Or you can put it on IMDb.com which will make you look very official for putting it onto your resume. And John is going to start us off with our first executive producers, which I believe. These are from the meetup in Albany. Give us a meetup reports.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I went to the meetup. It was actually in Oakland. Oh, at Violet's. Violette's Violeta Pizza. Violeta. And that's where Violet, the sucker baby that we first brought into the topic of conversation, she's been a show promoter herself, the little girl, for the last six years. And she was at the event and this was at Violetta's Pizza. And. And I have to say that besides being. Besides being very generous with the free pizza and free tallow fries and whatever else anyone wanted to order, that the owners of Pizzeria Violeta. And there's two of them, there's one in Piedmont and one at the Prescott Market, is. Is. Was Jonathan and Sarah and their daughter Violet. Violet. Violet was there and she comes up to me. Violet comes up. She's a fan of the show. She's been listening to the show forever. And she comes up and she looks at me and she's very furtive and she's, you know, she's looking at.

[John C. Dvorak]

Furtive.

[Adam Curry]

Furtive, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's furtive?

[Adam Curry]

Me, it means. It's like, you know, she's like semi anxious and she's. Because she's got something to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, yes, furtive. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Like a little kid. She comes up and she looks at me and she goes, I'm sick. Which cracked me up. But it turned out to be a backstory to her doing this because she didn't get called out for her birthday a couple weeks ago by the parents who never sent us a note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

And so Violet was irked about the fact that she wasn't called out. And I have a note. I'm six. She says to me and she's the cutest thing by the way. And here's the note from the. From Jonathan and Sarah and they, they besides giving us the hospitality, they donated 33333.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very nice.

[Adam Curry]

So thanks for getting out of the house. They write great to chat. I know Baroness Sarah, Rupert and sucker baby. Violet love the meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trap baby. Not sucker baby.

[Adam Curry]

I always call it trap baby but then I was called out by Mimi says that's actually sucker but should be sucker baby. Okay, whatever. One of the two. There's a note here. Appreciate the. The praise of the pizza. Yes, they make it. They do make a tremendous product and reluctantly making a pineapple pizza. And here's an make good birthday wishes. Violet was very upset to not hear her name on the podcast. So she's on the current. She's currently on the list. So she's going to be called up today and other donors since we're going to do a little meetup report. We have 8008 from Sir Fast. I can't read his. Of the. The. The island of boobs. 8008. John and Adam, thanks for what you do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fast.

[Adam Curry]

No, it says fast or Fast Eddie of Alameda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now there you go.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, thank you. 235 from. This is from Sir Lawrence of Dystopia, baronet of Maxwell Park, Kilo, Oscar 6 Echo Juliet Echo 73s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And he came in with. He says it was 335 cash. Oh. Plus fees. Well, I counted 235, but maybe I'm wrong. I'll just assume it's 3:33, 33:35. He says, I hope this finds you. Well, I have three Ask Adams answer the questions. Go. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

One.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

In the troll room, who determines if you get karma for a comment that you make during the show?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that rarely happens.

[Adam Curry]

That's never happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't. I can't remember a time. Actually.

[Adam Curry]

Two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

In the song Der Commissar after the fire Falco 1982 song, is Der Commissar a euphemism for a drug dealer?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Falco was an Austrian, so he had all kinds of militaristic vibes.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, last question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

In this, this Adam, the DJ questions, is the so A, E, I, O, U sometimes Y. 1984 from Ibn Azen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Is Lola a man?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Lola is obviously Lola is a man. I met her down in old Soho.

[Adam Curry]

Asking for a friend.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you meet Lola, be warned. She's a.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for your attention to this matter. God rest Charlie Kirk and may God bless America.

[John C. Dvorak]

God bless America.

[Adam Curry]

Absolutely. That was a entertaining note. Okay, onward with the rest of these donations.

[John C. Dvorak]

These are good. These are good.

[Adam Curry]

We got a $200 from Robert Montoya, Black Knight of Pleasant Hill. That's just. Just 200 bucks. Just. That's that 200 bucks from J, J, J Scene Swisher. J, J, A, Y, C, E, E, N. And she says St. Ives. Nice meeting. Nice meeting you. There's something about the J. I don't know. This is some sort of trust. It's 200 bucks. It's just a check with no other longer note. And then another one, which is from recalcitrant. Recalcitrant Steve, our buddy, 5150. And of course, he comes in and that, I think, covers the bases.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very nice. And you have to do Dame Janet of TP Wyoming, because you also have the note for her donation of $750.

[Adam Curry]

Have to grab a different pile. Okay, so here we go. This is an interesting Note. This is $750. This is the next donor, which is Dame Janet of TP Wyoming. And she wrote a card, actually. Okay, keep up the good work. Okay, we have a knighting. This is switcheroo. I think it's on there. Yep, this is a switcheroo. She writes donate, donate. She's got a. You know, this is a very interesting anomaly with. With her. She has unbelievably pretty and readable longhand or cursive. And her printing is hard to read. And she print this donation to bring my. It looks like sucking hot husband. But I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

I think it is smoking hot husband Bill to the night. To knighthood. Knight Night. Something or other to be determined. Or the night name to be determined later. Okay, we have him on the list, but he's going to change it. Maybe September 15th will be married for 41 years. Hey, there you go. And no one I'd rather be on. 40 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Holy moly.

[Adam Curry]

A Journey with Bill. We both love the show and we love the news newsletter, especially the memes and Hypocrite of the week.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a fan favorite.

[Adam Curry]

Keep up the great work. Then she says he'd like Opus One and spaghetti Carbonara at the roundtable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I got it all ordered for you and all set up. I'll take the next three just to move things along.

[Adam Curry]

Sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Benjamin Malnar in Rapid River, Michigan. $500, no note. So you could double up. Karma And I believe you will be a secretary general by default.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Fault.

[Adam Curry]

You've got.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have Matthew Bush from Newport Beach, California. $350.58. Also no note that we can find. So for you, also a double up. Karma.

[Adam Curry]

You've got.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there he is, Sir Scoby from Charlotte, North Carolina. We thought we'd heard the last of him on the last show, but no, he comes in with his standard 333.33 and he says make good matching donations. Question alert John Adam and fellow producers in the morning to Robert Kaminowski for the donation to show 1797. I should have matched that donation based on the chronological order of donations. Mea culpa, Robert. And thank you for your courage. He says that concludes this matching donation campaign, which he went above and beyond the matching campaign, which is.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, he did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which as a matching donor is what you do and we appreciate it. But he says it's done for real this time. Thank you to the eight producers signing off with a radio reminder that acts of kindness and generosity are always needed. Do what you can as often as you can. Love and light was signed Sir Scoff. Thank you, Sir Scovie. Beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

You might as well read the next one because I have a note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is from about 90 miles to the east of me, Georgetown, Texas. Randy Wallen. And he says in the morning 3.33.33, please support the George Pastore Foundation.

[Adam Curry]

Pastor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pastor was an Austin SWAT officer killed in the line of duty on November 11, 2023 during active shooter hostage rescue call. To honor his legacy, Pastor's wife Kim established a foundation to provide financial resources for first responders for advanced training, wellness and community engagement. The foundation is a 501C3 and all staff are volunteers. You can support the foundation financially by donating through its website, jpastorfoundation.com that's Pastor with an R and an email. You can also support the foundation by taking part in its annual fundraiser, the Humble Warrior Games live on November 9th at Revel Peak Ranch in Burnett, Texas. Or virtually if you are out of the area. Registry can be found. Registration can be found on the website. Again, jpastorfoundation.com thank you says Randy Wallen from Georgetown, Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, now we have another note. Sir. Sir Optimus. Yeah, this is the last one. Except I will mention that I have pushed off two donations. Kim of the Nutty Fluffers and Archduke of Central Florida have been moved to show 1800 for logistical reasons. And I should note that they're expecting to be mentioned today. And you'll see what that's all about next show. Okay, so we have a note here from Optimist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mysterious, curious.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Optimus. God bless you both. Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk. Sir Optimus. Simple. To the point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beautiful. Kevin G. Mobile, Alabama 233.99 which I believe is a 222.22. So a big row of ducks plus processing fees. Sir Kevin G. Of the Lake Lanier boaters here checking in after three years of retirement on 9 22. We've traded the lake life for salt life. Moving down to Mobile. That's Mobile, not Mobile, Alabama. A solid red state. No longer just puttering Adam's word around the Georgia Lake Lanier on my yacht. What a life. In April this year I took an eight day trip down the Tennessee river to Mobile. I'm now traveling the ICW Intercoastal water visiting new ports of call. If the parents committee could please update my title to Sir Kevin G. Of the ic. Thanks for your attention to this matter. Consider it done. Encloses my annual retirement donation. A full row of ducks. 222.22 plus processing fees and a hearty call out to all douchebags who listen religiously but never donate.

[Adam Curry]

Douchebag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Love your work. Love is lit and all that shit. No exit strategy. All the best. Sir Kevin G. Of the soon to be updated ICW. Formerly Kevin G. Of the Lake Lanier Bo Voters.

[Adam Curry]

The librarian in San Francisco comes in with 22222 and writes for Charlie Kirk and for all the truth tellers like Adam and John. Love and hugs from the librarian in San Francisco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eli the coffee guy is here with 20914. Always hitting the date 914 Bensonville, Illinois. And he says after the news of the past week, the hits just keep on coming. Whether developments in the Charlie Kirk assassination, drones in Poland, AfD politicians dropping revolutions in Nepal to riots in Serbia and citizens taking to the streets of London. One might think the world has gone mad. I urge everybody to keep calm and get back to basics. Just remember, good old fashioned Americanism will save the day. Blue jeans, mom. Apple pie, steak, potatoes, hot chicks and cold beer. And of course good old fashioned coffee. Visit gigawatt coffeeroasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order today. Stay sane, stay safe, stay catch. Caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we finished with Linda lupatkin in Lakewood, Colorado. 200 jobs. Karma. Skip. Skip the AI templates. Okay, okay. Skip the AI templates. Skip them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Skip them.

[Adam Curry]

For an executive resume that gets results and tells your unique story, visit Imagemakers, Inc. Com. That's Imagemakers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs, writer of Winning Resumes.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, thank you all very much for your Support of episode 1799. You could have waited until 1800, but you didn't. And I appreciate that so much. Thank you again to our executive and associate executive producers. And we'll be thanking the rest of our Value for Value donors in the second segment, which will be coming up in a little bit. $50 and above. Remember to support the show by going to no Agenda Don donations dot com.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up, slave. Shut up, slave.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, I got a p.m. correct. Question time. By coincidence.

[Adam Curry]

What does that mean? Oh, Prime Minister, do you have one?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, we haven't done that for a while. We need to go back to it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's your beat, so you need to go back to it. But I do have one to whet your whistle with. This is a doozy. Prime Minister, question time. Listen to this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Vaccinations were invented in Berkeley, in my constituency, 230 years ago. And as a GP, I have jabbed literally thousands of children and adults. Would the Prime Minister update the House about our new rollout of chickenpox vaccinations which will further protect our children? And would he also agree with me to condemn other political parties that give platforms for people who spread false rumours about vaccinations? Well, my honorable friend speaks with great authority and I'm proud that Labour are protecting half a million children by rolling out the chickenpox vaccines. In stark contrast, the man who wrote reform's health policy has made shocking and baseless claims that vaccines are linked to cancer. And that's been endorsed by Reform leader.

[Adam Curry]

They laugh.

[John C. Dvorak]

They laugh at it. These dangerous conspiracies cost lives. But it shows that reform can't be trusted with our nhs. And meanwhile, Pfizer Moderna shares fall on report that Trump officials will link child deaths to Covid shots. Woo hoo. Go ahead, Prime Minister. Question time. Yeah, that's coming. Apparently this week.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I haven't heard. Heard that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's on cnbc. Which means there's got to be true. Something's going on. Yeah, because they. Yeah, it's a report from the Washington Post. Officials plan to include the claim in a presentation next week to a key vaccine panel that Advises the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Whoa, that's. That's quite the statement.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're going to have to have a lot of evidence to back this up, and I'm sure they. They do.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think they do. I think they're. They have 25 child deaths are using as an example. So. Yeah, that's. That's what I got.

[Adam Curry]

Giving that shot to kids anyway, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

No kidding.

[Adam Curry]

So I've got a WTF clip, which is. Wow, that's fabulous. Houthi attacks. Listen to this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Houthi attacks. All right. Also reported launching more airstrikes against the Iran backed Houthi terrorist group in Yemen targeting Houthi military, military bases, a fuel storage facility, and the headquarters of the Houthi public relations department.

[Adam Curry]

So they're bombing the public relations department?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you got to get them. Get them. Good man.

[Adam Curry]

I just thought, when I heard that, I said, holy mackerel, they finally figured it out. This is who you want to. But you should have bombed them in the first place.

[John C. Dvorak]

So who's bombed.

[Adam Curry]

No offense to all the PR people that work.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

You know, and listen to the workers for a living and listen to the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, but who's bombing them?

[Adam Curry]

It was Israel, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course.

[Adam Curry]

And I think the. Is. Yeah. Public relations office. Where is that?

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is.

[Adam Curry]

Let's get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's about time. Public relations. Well, of course we don't want to bomb any people, but public relations. Was that a laptop? The Houthis, they, they had some good stuff going. They had the, the helicopter video. And remember that helicopter video lands on the deck and they jumped out like. Like in a video game.

[Adam Curry]

Just like a video game. Every which way. Yeah. Here's another weird clip. I thought this was interesting because there's obviously a lot of people, I'm guessing Americans, but I could be. Could be international people with way too much money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, well, yes. They're everywhere, those people.

[Adam Curry]

People I wish they would listen to the show and don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're not on our donor list.

[Adam Curry]

No, not this guy in particular. This is the Star wars memorabilia clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, hold on a second. By the way, 18 years, no one has ever done like a crazy donation, like a hundred grand or something.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, that's never happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where's my Bitcoin? And in a galaxy not so far far away, the legacy of Darth Vader lives on. Your destiny lies with me, Skywalker.

[Adam Curry]

Obi Wan knew this to be true.

[John C. Dvorak]

The prop lightsaber he wielded in that father son battle in the Empire Strikes Back has been sold at auction for $3.6 million. That makes it the most expensive piece of Star wars memorabilia to be auctioned off. No word yet on the buyer who embraced this bit of the dark side. Oh, I can tell you who it is. That's an easy one. There's only one guy I know who would spend that kind of money on Star wars memorabilia because he has a lot of it already. Glenn Beck.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's an interesting theory.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've been in his museum.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you have. You've been one of the privileged few.

[John C. Dvorak]

He. I mean, he has.

[Adam Curry]

So what kind of stuff does he have? That's Star Wars.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he has stars.

[Adam Curry]

He has 3 million to blow on a trinket.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dude, dude. Glenn Beck is not hurting. I mean, he has a he outside the building. He's got a custom Bentley, like a beautiful. I think it's the continent, the Continental R. His museum. Besides, he has a lot of American memorabilia. President Lincoln's door, including the doorknob and the knocker. He has George Washington's compass and a drawing compass he has from memory. Movie memorabilia. Dorothy's ruby slippers. He's got a full on Star Trooper. I think he has a couple of Star Trooper. You know, the white dudes. Yeah, the. The outfits. He's got. He's got stuff from Gone with the Wind. He has. From who did. I think from Spartan. He has the model ship they use in the water scene, which was Cecil B. DeMille. He has Cecil B. DeMille's chair. I mean, he has one of the first electric chairs, which is weird to sit in. Very strange. Sensei. Go ahead, sit in it. Like. Okay, just make sure Glenn doesn't trip over any switches anywhere. But he has, you know, like original. He has a lot of original. A lot of original Texas docs documents. It's traveling. He's taken it on the road. His. His museum. And he's asked me to do something with. I think he wants me to show up at some. One of the. One of the exhibits, which I'll gladly do it. It is a. And he shares it with everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Podcasting memorabilia from you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your cobalt I'll bring. Hey, Glenn, I got something for you. Museum buddy. Look at my. Look at me. This cube, man. This Cobalt. He has Rush Limbaugh's gold microphone.

[Adam Curry]

He does?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The original.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he says it is. I have no reason to doubt him.

[Adam Curry]

I know they made a bunch of them. Well, Evie made a bunch of gold microphones.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think there's also a number of ruby red Slippers. But if this was genuine lightsaber that has Glenn Beck's name all over it, for sure. He goes all over the world trying to buy stuff. Hey, power to him, at least. What I like about Glenn Beck is that you do the. He's a busy guy. I mean, he's got a million things going on. You do the show with him. He's like, hey, want to come see the museum? Want to see the update? Your friend, Your friend. Your friend wasn't here last time. Yeah, he needs to see it. He'll take you along right into the museum. And it does, like an hour and a half, two hour tour.

[Adam Curry]

That sounds great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it is. He's a nice guy. I'm always appreciative of. And he's saving American stuff.

[Adam Curry]

I have, like, one piece of movie memorabilia. I have the kimono kind of jacket that Marlon Brando wore in the Tea House of the August Moon that was sold at the MGM auctions and bought by somebody who gave it to somebody who gave it to me as a gift. And that's about it. Oh, a friend of mine used to have that little Cuisinart or whatever the hell it was, was on the back of the. Of the. Of the car in Back to the Future. There was some sort of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really? He has the real one. A real piece.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's got the one he bought it from at the auction for the. Yeah. Unfortunately, he died, but I don't know who. I guess is. What.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but who? You need to go knock on the door.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, somebody's got that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want my Cuisinart.

[Adam Curry]

What was it? It wasn't a Cuisinart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Microwave. Was it a microwave?

[Adam Curry]

No, it was a little device of some sort. I don't know, I forgot. God. But it was on the back, and you'd put something in it and grind it up and it made the car go fast. Nothing but logic involved.

[John C. Dvorak]

Capacitor.

[Adam Curry]

It was some. Whatever it was. And I don't know too many people that collect a movie. Actually, Brunetti's got a pretty decent collection of stuff. Who's Renee Brunetti? Brunetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Brunetti. Dana. Dana Brunetti. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Dana's got a collection of stuff, but it's all contemporary. It's nothing that I noticed. That it's old?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, because he doesn't know what he's doing.

[Adam Curry]

He knows what he's doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You need to give him some advice on collectibles. I mean, he should be swimming and he should have. I mean, the Easy one is, I think I have a Family Guy script. Does that count?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that does count now. So I was at the meetup, you know, I was at the meetup and there was a woman and her husband and the guy, the guy brought up new possible ZED thing. He's a. He's a construct. We got a construction company.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Zeds go. Zeds.

[Adam Curry]

They can't read a tape.

[John C. Dvorak]

A tape?

[Adam Curry]

Like tape measure.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

You got a tape measure? They can't. They're clueless. He says they don't know what the hell it is or what you're supposed to do with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean? They don't understand that it's to measure length.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm.

[Adam Curry]

All of the above skeptical. But his wife was there telling me that she has a place in Idaho and they go back and forth and her mom lives up there. And her mom. This gets kind of busted. My preconceived notions. Her mom had a thrift store and I was thinking, ah, so she liked to collect stuff. And the first thing you want to do is get it out of the house. And you. But you put up a thrift store and you could move it out. You get rid of the stuff. Stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But it turns out that that's not what happens if you own a thrift store. You end up collecting more stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe that to be true because.

[Adam Curry]

All this cool stuff comes in.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got a note from a ZEDS note, which, by the way, we're not picking on zeds.

[Adam Curry]

No, we're just pointing out some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some anomaly, some foibles. Yes, this producer was in the Air Force. No, he is in the Air Force. And they use nothing but Microsoft Office products. And a lot of the zeds are just to using tablets and iPhones. When they sit at a computer, it's like a foreign language to them. The sitting and staring at the screen is very commonplace. It's like they forget how to read and function when in front of a computer. They say, okay, what's next? And I'm sitting next to them reading the text on screen, which tells them exactly what to do next. He says, you're both right on the money with the assessment. Wanted to add this. The zeds traditionally did not grow up with a computer in the home. When I asked these kids, they always say no. They had their phones and tablets that did everything and it just makes sense. But they have no idea how desktops work. Unless, of course, they were gamers. The gamers, he says, they're the best because they can actually build the computer right in front of your face. So, yes, they understand that. But this, I find this to be a deficit in education that they're only using tablets and touchscreens. I mean, you should.

[Adam Curry]

I'd say you should have.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, there's still no evidence that the mouse will actually. Anyone wants these mice. But you should know how to. I think she should know how to use one. You know, and. Simple. Simple. I mean, I guess they can probably do Google Docs maybe, but they don't understand them. This is a. This is a problem for Microsoft. They have a whole generation growing up who don't know how to use their products. That's a. That's a problem. Problem.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I brought this up in the last show. They said, do they have computer literacy courses in high school anymore? Apparently it seems that they don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. No, it's.

[Adam Curry]

Which I think is a huge mistake. People don't even. I mean, you shouldn't. Not only be able to use a computer with efficiency and effectiveness, but you should be able to understand what's going on. So, you know, when you save a file and you go back to look for it, it's either. If you. And you don't find it. You had this happen to you on the last show. What happened to the. This clip? You should be able to know how to find it on the machine because it obviously got put into the wrong folder.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that all changed with iPads and an iPhone. There's. You're not really saving anything into a folder structure anymore. You just save it and then you hope that you dot that.

[Adam Curry]

Your.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your. Your word processing program or. What is it? What does he use? Numbers. Numbers. And what's the. What is it? Instead of Word, they. What does apple use? Lotus 1, 2, 3.

[Adam Curry]

Lotus 1, 2, 3.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Yeah, they just look for recent. You know, there's. There's no concept of a file structure, File and folder structure on these devices anymore. You should take a look at it. Who am I?

[Adam Curry]

That's a mistake.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Because you need to know this because you're going to. Unless you're just. Just so. You're stuck in a very short time loop. Pages.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. Pages. Yes, Pages.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know about that. You're stuck in a short time frame and that's not good because you want to be able to archive stuff that you do on a computer so you can retrieve it in the future, like maybe five years later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but they just, they just type it into Google. Where's. Where's this document? And it comes back. I'm telling you, you hope. Yeah, well, I obviously, I mean, I use, I love this system that I use. What's it called? Sfx Everything Everything. The Everything, sir. I've told you about this. I think you might have installed it at some point. It's free. You can donate, which I do. Everything. It's@void tools.com. this actually would be a good, a good tip of the day. And man, that thing, it is so fast. That's how I find all of these. When you say, hey, how about that clean from, from 1783. And I'm talking about the year, not the episode number. And I can find it with this program because you can really refine the search and what it's looking for. And I have it set for audio files only. I mean, these are important, these are important skills to have if you want to be a podcaster and everybody wants.

[Adam Curry]

To be a podcaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

They sure do. They all want to be podcasters. All right, we'll give you a couple more because we're running late today. We're over, over time. Yeah, we went long on, on the, on the Anglo, on the Anglo Dutch system.

[Adam Curry]

I, I, I, let's just do these, these are the I could do Baltimore crime. I'm going to push that off. Let's. I want to do one of these word things because it's kind of interesting because I actually knew this and learned it in high school, but a lot of people don't know where the word the word robot comes from and how it evolved into what we. It's a new feature on NPR that I kind of like, bitched about the fact they weren't giving me credit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, right. So the word robot. Let me just think. Where does the word robot come from? I'm just guessing. Was it an acronym?

[Adam Curry]

No. The rope. They actually tell you in here. And it's quite. And I learned this and I believe when I was a senior in high school because we discussed the this it comes from the title of a play.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh? Let's hear it.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Everyone has an idea of what a robot is, but do you know where the word came from? Now, NPR's Emma Bowman has the answer in the latest installment of our Word of the Week series.

[John C. Dvorak]

What, what kind of talk is this? Word of the Week series?

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

When Melania Trump used the word just last week during a meeting with the White House Task Force on AI Education, she was referring to artificial intelligence intelligence. The robots are here. Our future is no longer science fiction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who wrote that for her, by the way? You're mean you're mean to make Melania say the robots are here.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Back in 1920, Czech writer Carol Chapek first imagined the robot in his play R U R Rossum's Universal Robots. In the satirical melodrama, the character Harry Doman runs a factory that churns out mechanical humanoid workers made of synthetic flesh and blood.

[Adam Curry]

The robots are not people.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Mechanically, they are more perfect than we are.

[Adam Curry]

They have an enormously developed intelligence, but they have no soul.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this a robot talking?

[Adam Curry]

Is that, you know, I don't know what that voiceover. They drop it in the blue. It may have been in a line in the play that was read by AI but I think it was a line in the play.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

The work is what introduced robot to the English language. A negative connotation was built into the word from the start.

[Adam Curry]

Modernity is turning us all into machines.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

That's kind of the message. Tobias Higby teaches labor history at ucla. He says Chapek's work critiqued the sociopolitical climate of the time. The rhetoric of the Domin character echoed that of Henry Ford, the industrialist who pioneered mass production with assembly lines. As technology advanced in auto production and elsewhere, the idea of the robot began evolving. And talk soon pivoted to how it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would hurt workers by throwing them out.

[Adam Curry]

Of their jobs and denying them their livelihood.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

So robots became analogous to machines, not workers. That's how we got to Blade Runner, Terminator, and up Robot. Through it all, robot has held on to its same loose definition, says linguist Adam Alexic.

[Adam Curry]

There's always this implication of it is a forced worker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think they kind of skip over Lost in Space going straight to Terminator.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're right. Lost in Space is a better example.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

With Robbie. Robbie the Robot was. I was a fan of Robbie the Robot. He was in a lot of movies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Robbie the Robot, the Jetsons had. What was their.

[Adam Curry]

There. Hazel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hazel. Hazel the. Yeah. The robot kind of glossed over those.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they. They also gloss over the whole topic here as they. As it falls apart. So here we go.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

He says. Chapek's army of roboti, which translated to robot in English, derives from the old Slavic word robota, meaning servitude or forced labor. The robot usually carries the looming threat to extinguish the human. Human race. It all goes back to R, you know, Spoiler alert.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the climax of the play, the robots gain self consciousness and slaughter all the humans.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Nowadays, robots are being marketed as our assistants, girlfriends, pals and our equals. Interpretations of the robot that stray further than ever from the word's definition in its 100 year history. Emma Bowman, NPR News.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's interesting because you can. You just know that these AI companies will never use the term robot because they don't want you to think that you can control them, that you, that they're your slave. They always want you to think, well, one day it's going to eat you. It's going to take over the world. We just need more money for more compute.

[Adam Curry]

They just need more money. The more, you know, in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Learn something on the show.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, that'd be fab. And as we wind down the last show before number 1800. 1800. John is going to find we have a lot of things still coming up. We got end of show mixes. We have meetup, no reports. It'll be quick. But we also have the tip of the day and secretary generals to welcome in. And some nights we got a lot to do. Actually. John's going to thank the rest of our supporters. Value for value at no agenda donations dot com. $50 and above. Go John.

[Adam Curry]

So we start with dude named Ben at KNQI, I think Kingsville, Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

KNQ and QI160. All right.

[Adam Curry]

And he's complaining that he hasn't donated recently.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you.

[Adam Curry]

Dame Rita.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Dame Rita's up at the top as usual. $109.14. She's in Sparks, Nevada. Sir Greg Burch. There is the Port Angeles meetup report right there. He came in with a hundred. He was at the meetup. James Fitzgerald in Palmer Lake, Colorado. 9325. Kevin McLaughlin, 8008. He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and lover of melon. Yay. Craig Zarzicki. Zarzicki. Zarzicki in Saratona. Saratoga. Saratoga. Saratoga Springs, New York. 6,851. That's an rip for Charlie. Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California. Another one for Charlie. 66, 40. And then sir Lucas of Lost Bits in Federal way, Washington, Washington. 6502. That's the chip donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Christopher Decor. 5678. Kas Peland. 5650.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's 50,000 Satoshis, baby. There's your bitcoin donation.

[Adam Curry]

Now we got a bitcoin donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Michelle Hampton or Michelle Hampton? Michelle in Hampton, Hampton, N.J. 5377. Wishes her boss a happy 50th kissing up the boss.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's Kevin.

[Adam Curry]

And.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he wants some birthday karma. We'll give him some karma at the end. He introduced Michelle and her husband to the no Agenda show five years ago. Wow. Good job, Kevin.

[Adam Curry]

Good. Luke Munel in Los Angeles, California. 5272. And now we're already. This is a short list. Very short list. List, actually. Very superly, super short list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Superly short.

[Adam Curry]

These are the 50s. These are 50s. Name and location. Gary Mao, Woodland Hills. Dame Patricia Worthington, Miami, Florida. Brandon Savoie and Port Orchard, Washington. Should have been to the meetup, Brandon. Diane Schwanevik in Johnsburg, Illinois. Kevin Dills in Huntersville, North Carolina. Regular Commodore Crew Crummy in El Cajon, California. And last on the list is good old Alan Bean. Baron Allen Bean in Beaverton, Oregon. And we're going to thank these people for helping us out here on show 1799.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And again, thank you to our executive and associate executive producer. Here is the birthday karma for Kevin.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we thank you all. Also thanks under $50, which will not mention for reasons of any anonymity, to assure that noagendadonations.com is where you can support us. Any amount, anytime you feel like it. Anytime you say, I got some value from that show that was valuable to me, I think I'm going to send something back to them. Whatever that amount is, that's value to you and that's all that we care about and we really appreciate you. Go to noagendadonations.com you can set up a recurring donation, any amount, any frequency. Noagendadonations.com well, it's very short. Today, only two. Violet. Hello, Violet. This is your Uncle Adam and Uncle John. And we know your parents forgot, but they remembered now and you turned six at the end of August. So we say, happy birthday, Violet. And Michelle, there she is, wishes her boss Kevin, a very happy one. He hit her in the mouth, apparently. Turning 50. Happy birthday from everybody here. The best podcast in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have one Secretary General. There we go. Let's get our one Secretary General. Let's roll him out. All hail to the Secretary Generals on the no Agenda show. I like that jingle. We have one Secretary General to congratulate, and that is Benjamin Minor. Benjamin, you need to let us know what you will be Secretary General of. We did not receive a note from you, so go to noagendarings.com and you will find a tab there where you can enter it. And welcome to that exclusive club of no agenda. Secretary generals. All hail to the secretary generals. Cause they are the ones who need hailing. All hail to the secretary generals on the new Agenda show. And two nights to bring up onto the podium today, if you can bring out your blade, bring out a million dollar lightsaber. There you go. That's beautiful. William Webb and Kevin G. Step up on the podium. Gentlemen, both of you today become knights at the Noah Jenner Round Table. Thanks to your support of the show in the amount of $1,000 or more, you can take as long as you need to get there. We'll gladly send you one of those handsome knight rings. And I'm very proud to pronounce the Kate thee as Sir William Webb and Sir Kevin G. Of the icw. For you, we have by request, Opus One and spaghetti carbonara. And along with that, we've got some geishas and sake, vodka and vanilla, bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts, ginger ale and gerbils. What else do we have? We've got breast milk and pablum. Oh, yes, and of course, always the mutton and the mead. And you too can go to noagendarings.com give us your ring size. Very important you give that to us and a place to send it to. And with it comes some sticks of wax because it is a signet ring so you can seal your important correspondence with it. And we thank you for becoming knights of the no Agenda Roundtable.

[Adam Curry]

No AGENDA Meetups.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we're also just whipping right through this one. One meetup this week on Thursday, Charlotte's thirsty. Third Thursday monthly. It all, all the fun kicks off at 7 o' clock at Edge Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina. Again, that's Thursday coming up in the rest of September. Tilburg on the 19th, Bedford, Texas, on the 20th, Fort Wayne, Indiana, the 27th, Indianapolis, Indiana, on the 28th. In October, the 2nd, Raleigh, North Carolina. Anchorage, Alaska, on the 4th, Johnson City, Texas, on the 10th, followed by Garden City, Idaho on the 11th and Fredericksburg, Texas, on October 11th. That'll be at J6 or Jenny's Place. Go to noagendameetups.com to find out more. And on the 25th of October, Los Altos, California. You definitely need to go to one of these meetups. This is where you find connection that always brings you protection. These people you meet will be your first responders in an emergency. Emergency. Go to no agendameetups.com look them up. Look up where you live. If you can't find anything near you, don't fret don't despair. Just start one yourself, Put it on the calendar. Noagendameetups.com feels the same. And before we get to the tip of the day, we do have to find a nice ISO to end everything up with. And John is back to obviously 11 labs, because I see a dad gum and I'm gonna play it to listen to what it is. Dad Gummet. Another doozy of a podcast. Yep. There you go. You said you try some different voices.

[Adam Curry]

I used to. I was using the girl for a while, the sexy girl, Jennifer. And you hated it after a while for hearing it too much. So I went to Caleb.

[John C. Dvorak]

We were in church this morning. And, you know, church is like a show. They got their music segment. They got their. They have a donation segment. They have a video promo segment. And it's like, for the women's music ministry. I'm like, whose voice is that? They're using AI now. They're using AI for voiceover in the church. Like, oh, man, we ran out of women. It was. It was somewhat painful for you.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, I. Now that's the reason you. In today's show, you said you've given up. You're going to let AI do its thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I have to just. We need to.

[Adam Curry]

Because the church. The church has the influence over. Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the church that has influence. No, I. I'll have to talk to Jesus about it, see what he says. Here's my.

[Adam Curry]

You get an AI voice back.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think so. Here is my first ISO.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Am I living in the Twilight Zone?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's not too bad. Okay. And then I have this one.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

I could literally talk about this for three hours.

[Adam Curry]

Hours. I hate. I hate to say it, but I think my Caleb one is better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then we'll go with the Caleb, because I've given up on AI, but not giving up on the tip of the.

[Adam Curry]

Day and sometimes Adam. Okay, we're going to a sealant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, we haven't done a good rotation.

[Adam Curry]

Now we're going to have a product. There's a product. Show this sealant. Silicon sealant from ASI. The ASI 502 silicon sealant. This turns out to be something you can pretty much seal anything with. If you watch the TV ads with the guy with the black goo and he puts on everything leaking, boats and all this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can you seal your muffler with it?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I think you can. It's what. It's a new. It's a new kind of a category of products called RTV.

[John C. Dvorak]

RTV.

[Adam Curry]

And RTVs are. It stands for room temperature vulcanization.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh.

[Adam Curry]

And room and vulcanizing which is invented to make fake tires. It started and it was always a high pressure, high temperature sulfur related process that was a, that was intense. And room temperature vulcanization. It's kind of like, like room temperature fusion. You know, it's kind of like you can't do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

But you kind of can. And Mimi's actually used this stuff. If you. Anyone has a Blendtec blender which is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you can blend anything. Will it blend the.

[Adam Curry]

Will it blend guys? Well, they have these, the special mixing. The thing at the top, whatever you call it contains that has the knife blades in the bottom. Yes, those things, those things are specifically designed and they are expensive. They like. They cost like over 100 bucks to get one replaced. She had one leaking on her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the whole blender is like 6 or $700.

[Adam Curry]

The blenders are overpriced. Yeah, but it does the job, let me tell you. But it, she used this RTV stuff on the, on the crack in the, the. In that. The thing. And, and it's safe for food usage. It's got a special category. It's safe really. Once it vulcanizes and becomes solid, it's a killer product. It comes in a tube. You can get it on Amazon and elsewhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

And once again the name of that.

[Adam Curry]

Is the ASI 502 RTV silicon sealant.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a winner everybody. Seal it and let us know how it went. There it is. John's tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Great advice for you and me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes.

[Adam Curry]

Adam created by Dana Burnetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, there you go everybody. That's it for today. I'm sure there will be something, something else to discuss on Thursday. No doubt about it as we've got our eye on the Anglo Dutch connection. The system. It's my new beat. I'm excited about it. If you stick around on your modern podcast app or noah jindestream.com you will hear random thoughts. Up next, Jail Reform Roulette is the title. I don't know what the guys are up to this time. Sure, that will be fun. Thank you all for being with us today. Once again be nice to each other and stay tuned for the end of show mix as as much Professor Jay Jones checks in David Keck the brand new end of show mix from him. He's got a studio back up and running. And Secret Agent Paul. We need more from Secret Agent Paul and we'll see you again on Thursday. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country, right here in the vineyards of Fredericksburg, Texas. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon valley, where please stand clear of the closing I remain. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll be back on Thursday. Remember [e-mail] until then, adios, mofos a hui hooey and such. Allow me to sum up this week's news. Hitler is back.

[Adam Curry]

Hitler.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hitler is back, everybody. How dare you.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Let me take you back to 1939.

[Adam Curry]

Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Yes, I do.

[Adam Curry]

Hitler is back.

[John C. Dvorak]

21% of Gen Z Americans think Adolf Hitler had some good ideas.

[Adam Curry]

Actual American Nazis.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

It's a Nazi rally.

[John C. Dvorak]

How dare you.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Donald Trump had said he would terminate the constitution. Constitution of the United States.

[Adam Curry]

Praising Adolf Hitler, saying Adolf Hitler did.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Some good things certainly falls into the general definition of fascists. It's perfect to celebrate the rise of.

[Adam Curry]

Nazism that Donald Trump would invoke Adolf Hitler. Back home to mommy. She goes back home to mom.

[John C. Dvorak]

How is that casting aspersions? This is next level qanon stuff.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

They'll say, you know Trump. Trump's supporters have set off a dirty bomb in Philadelphia.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're counting on us to help him win. They're counting on us to propagate their clips.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

Vowed to be a dictator on day one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Someone needs to calm her down.

[Adam Curry]

Hitler did not do some good things. Now, okay, you stop it there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just signed an executive order making some news here. When it comes to pharmaceutical ads, you don't have to exercise. You don't have to pay attention to your diet. Whatever goes wrong with you, you can.

[Adam Curry]

Fix with the drug.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're gonna have to report all their side effects. In some cases, that might create an.

[Adam Curry]

Advertisement that's four minutes long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back prior to 1997, advertising in magazines had page after page after side effects reported. Whatever goes wrong with you, you can fix with a drug. Pharmaceutical ads.

[Guest/Expert (e.g., Cynthia Miller Idris or other interviewed experts)]

We learned this morning that the FDA is now saying that it's okay to take ivermectin if you have Covid.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? One of the most exciting things we're.

[Adam Curry]

Working on, again using the tools that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sam and Masa are providing, is a cancer vaccine. If you're white, you're a racist. If you're male, you're a pig. If you're cis, you are privileged. Skin is shaving. If you're big homophobic, heaven help if you're old. So don't have an opinion and just do what you're told.

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adios mofo. Dvorak.org Na Dad Gummet Another doozy of a podcast.