1807 - "Keyboard Warrior"

Summary

No Agenda Show: Episode 1807 - "Keyboard Warrior"

Date: October 12, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Overview

In this lively and wide-ranging episode, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak deliver their signature media deconstruction, focusing on the evolving landscape of news coverage, political maneuvering, the generational divide in information literacy, and the shifting sands of geopolitics—from the Israel-Gaza ceasefire and Trump’s foreign diplomacy, to the ongoing saga of government weaponization and vaccine skepticism.

The hosts provide sharp critiques of both legacy and new media, interlace it with community feedback, and mix in humor and banter, grounding the discussion with personal stories from recent No Agenda meetups. The episode’s title, “Keyboard Warrior”, is taken both literally and metaphorically as the duo examine how “the keyboard” (and digital warfare) is becoming as real a weapon as any on the battlefield.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Columbus Day, Executive Orders, and Italian Donors

• [00:34–01:56] The hosts riff on the recent order re-establishing Columbus Day, poking fun at activist state responses and joking about their lack of Italian show donors.
  • "Trump just signed an executive order. It's Columbus Day." (Adam, 00:45)
  • Stats discussion on where their donations come from and noting a complete lack of Italian contributors.

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2. Meetup Report: Fredericksburg and the Rise of Gen Z Listeners

• [03:03–05:18] John recounts the most recent Texas meetup, highlighting the participation of Gen Zers, married young couples, and families—contradicting negative stereotypes about the generation.
  • "What I loved the most was all the gen zers...they all had something to say..." (John, 04:25)
  • Gen Zers value information and see No Agenda as an educational resource, showing interest in both the candor and noise-makers on the show.
  • Discussion of the pandemic's effect on Gen Z: "I was in high school during COVID so you know, things happened to this group..." (Gen Z attendee, paraphrased by John, 06:14)

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3. Campus Influencers and the New Politics of Gen Z

• [07:35–10:27] Adam and John discuss how personalities like Crowder and Glenn Beck are struggling to reach younger generations using tactics that previously worked for Charlie Kirk.
  • Glenn Beck’s campus appearance backfires with Gen Zers posing tough questions on Israel, APAC, and U.S. foreign policy, indicating a growing skepticism and demand for more nuanced information.

Notable Quote

• "Why is there this societal taboo around criticisms of Israel?" (Student to Beck, 09:58)
• Beck is caught off-guard, highlighting a generational knowledge gap in historical political context.

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4. Deconstructing U.S. Middle East Policy—Setting the Record Straight

• [11:03–14:45] Responding to Gen Z misconceptions, John plays the original Wesley Clark “seven countries in five years” clip to clarify that U.S. Middle East destabilization was a Neocon policy, not an Israeli directive.
  • "It wasn't Bibi Netanyahu. It was Neocons. Go look up Project for a New American Century..." (John, 14:23)
• Adam and John critique Glenn Beck for failing to seize the teachable moment: "The blackboard should’ve been retired." (Adam, 15:24)

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5. Legacy Media’s Failures: J.D. Vance on Middle East Peace Deals

• [16:19–22:07, 25:20–28:08] Adam critiques Margaret Brennan (CBS) and George Stephanopoulos (ABC) for missing key questions in interviews with VP J.D. Vance about America's new Middle East ceasefire approach under Trump.
  • Trump’s administration takes a “non-traditional diplomacy” path, prioritizing Arab ground troops for Gaza peacekeeping—yet the press focuses narrowly on “boots on the ground” narratives.
• Memorable moment: Adam’s repeated frustration: "All you have to do is say, 'what is it that was underreported? Can you explain in more detail?'" (Adam, 21:46)

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6. "Nobel Prize Watch": Trump and the Media Narrative

• [31:44–36:13] The show details Trump’s efforts in brokering multiple peace deals, juxtaposed with the media’s selective coverage—especially in omitting praise from the actual Nobel Peace Prize recipient Machado, who credited Trump with “solving eight wars” and supporting Venezuelan freedom.
  • "She said they should have given it to him..." (Adam, 36:13)

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7. Media Manipulation and the Israel-Gaza Ceasefire

• [36:46–43:49] Analysis of various media reports on the Israel-Gaza ceasefire, noting the splitting of audience sentiment: networks either downplay Trump's achievement, avoid mentioning him, or highlight the “boots on the ground/hostages” angle. CBS coverage is particularly noted for framing and omission.

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8. Obama, Trump, and the Legality of Drone Strikes and Kill Lists

• [45:44–58:16] The hosts draw parallels between current outcry over drone strikes in Venezuela and the Obama-era “kill list” tactics. They blast selective legal concern from media figures who ignored similar (or worse) actions under Obama.
  • "No one ever talks about Obama and his kill list..." (Adam, 45:50)

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9. NATO, Cyberwarfare, and “Keyboard Warriors”

• [58:45–67:00] Adam and John mock NATO’s latest “Cyber Defense” initiatives and declarations that “the keyboard is a weapon of war.”
  • "The keyboard is a weapon of war. Targeting our militaries and our societies..." (Secretary General video, 60:29)
  • The section lampoons the expansion of military logic to cybersecurity, catching the shift towards cyber as pretext for spending.

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10. Trump’s Retribution Campaign and Weaponization of the DOJ

• [67:00–77:14] Explores the reciprocal indictments: former NY AG Letitia James charged federally after pursuing Trump, and Jim Comey indicted for perjury. The show references Mo Facts’ prediction that Black female prosecutors would be scapegoated.
  • "The Democrats threw up black prosecutors Alvin Bragg, Fannie Willis, and Letitia James to go after Donald Trump...They simply sacrificed them..." (Mo Facts via Adam/John, 75:17)

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11. Listener Letters & Generational Literacy

• [94:24–98:58] Listeners report that Gen Z (even college grads) can’t address envelopes, revealing failures in foundational education. Another letter tells of Catholic schools stepping in as a haven from public school “pronoun” drama.

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12. Vaccines: Skepticism on Efficacy and Adjuvants

• [140:59–155:02] Kennedy and McCullough’s commentary on the negative efficacy of flu vaccines and aluminum adjuvants possibly driving food allergies is discussed, linking to their ongoing skepticism of Big Pharma and routine vaccination schedules.
  • "Children who are vaccinated with aluminum vaccines have 30 times the rate of allergic rhinitis as kids who don't..." (RFK Jr., 153:07)
• Deep-dive on the logic (and potential malice) of vaccination schedules for Hepatitis B and aluminum's immunological effects.

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13. Digital Control and Surveillance

• [116:10–116:41, 158:48–159:37] The duo flag increasing digital biometrics for border control in the EU (“entry-exit system” keeps prints and facial data for 3 years), and Amazon Ring's facial recognition rollout outside a few U.S. jurisdictions.

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14. The Comedy, Banter & Show Meta

• The episode is peppered with recurring jokes around video production (“five camera shoot”), inside baseball about show production, and calls for live shows in Las Vegas’ Sphere—a running gag involving their audience’s preferences for community over spectacle.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "[The newer generation]...are really just looking for good information, and we seem to be finding it with you two old boomers..." (John, 06:03)
• "Bibi Netanyahu came to Congress in the 90s and said, we've got to take out seven countries in five years..." (student paraphrase, 11:03)
• "It wasn't Bibi Netanyahu. It was Neocons...Go look up Project for a New American Century, Dick Cheney—not a Jew..." (John, 14:23)
• "Margaret, you can ask me about this and I can blow it out and you have an exclusive. No, no, no, no. We can't drop the ball..." (Adam, 17:34)
• "They just suck at their job. They stink." (Adam, 29:12)

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Useful Timestamps

• [04:25] – Meetups & Gen Z Insights
• [06:14] – Pandemic impact on Gen Z
• [09:58] – Gen Z confronts Glenn Beck on Israel
• [11:03] – Seven countries in five years: Wesley Clark's actual quote
• [14:23] – Neocons, not Bibi Netanyahu
• [16:19] – Mainstream press criticized for failing to ask important questions
• [21:46] – "Can you explain in more detail?" – on missing basic journalism
• [31:44] – "Let's keep asking about the Peace Prize, that'll get his ego going."
• [36:13] – Machado, Nobel recipient, said prize should have gone to Trump
• [60:29] – NATO Cyber Defense: "The keyboard is a weapon of war"
• [75:17] – Mo Facts' prediction: Black prosecutors as scapegoats

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Episode Structure

• Opening (~00:00–00:45): Columbus Day banter, donation stats, and the Italian vote;
• Meetup Reports: Community growth and Gen Z engagement;
• Media Critiques: Specific focus on Israel, Middle East peace, and how the press covers Trump;
• Interviews & Soundbites: Analysis of J.D. Vance, Glenn Beck, and campus interactions;
• Weaponization of Institutions: DOJ "retribution" campaigns and reciprocal indictments;
• Listener Correspondence: Generational gaps in knowledge and writing skills;
• Health & Science: Deep skepticism about vaccines and allergy rise;
• Surveillance and Tech: Advances in digital control systems—Ring facial recognition, EU biometrics;
• Meta Jokes & Show Dynamics: Inside jokes, live show tangents, and tip of the day.

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Tone, Language & Community Engagement

• The hosts interact as friendly antagonists, mixing feigned irritability with genuine camaraderie.
• They uphold a blend of skepticism, dry humor, and direct critique, often reading and citing listeners' letters, further embedding a sense of an in-group “No Agenda” community with shared lingo (e.g., “trap babies”, “gen Zers”, “North Sea Nexus,” “value for value” donation model).
• The show remains fast-paced, with both quick-witted banter and moments of reflection—especially regarding the responsibilities and reality gaps across generations and media gatekeepers.

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For More

Find artwork, peerage updates, and donation info at: noagendashow.net
Join upcoming listener meetups: noagendameetups.com

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Summary

Episode 1807 encapsulates No Agenda’s core strengths: crowd-sourced media analysis, a healthy distrust of both mainstream and legacy alternatives, and a vibrant pushing of community involvement. Come for the deconstruction of the Middle East narrative (and how new generations consume and misinterpret it); stay for the laughs, the sharp cultural commentary, and the inside baseball on the reality of podcasting in a media landscape increasingly driven by “keyboard warriors.”

In the morning!

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Somebody else is spiking our ball.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, October 12, 2025. This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1807. This is no Agenda. Watching the nor' easter and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where everybody remarks. Are these guys always working on holiday weekends? I'm John Cdvorak. Blood and buzz kill in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why, yes, we do, pretty much. We've been doing that for a long time. That's what we do. Although, is it now still Columbus Day? Are we allowed to say Columbus Day anymore?

[Adam Curry]

No, Trump just signed an executive order. It's Columbus Day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he did? Oh, this is good. I didn't know that. Does that override the previous indigenous peoples day?

[Adam Curry]

Well, a number of states like Oregon have protested. We don't care. Say what you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, goodness.

[Adam Curry]

It's not a law.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's just a proclamation. Or did he say hereby, I tell you, you've got to say this. Is that some kind of executive order?

[Adam Curry]

Well, here we are, going for the Italian vote, eh?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Hey, where's the Italian donations?

[Adam Curry]

Where are the Italian. You know, how many donations have we ever gotten out of Italy?

[John C. Dvorak]

I would say there are people that.

[Adam Curry]

Speak English and listen to the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I don't. I can't.

[Adam Curry]

Where's it, where's our donation from? Padua?

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't remember us. Honestly, I can't remember a single Italian donation.

[Adam Curry]

Rome. Nothing?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, especially not from Rome. No, no. You know, that's interesting, but I don't know, I'd have to look at some stats somewhere to see if Italy shows up on the map.

[Adam Curry]

I can look and I've never seen an Italian.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have stats. You have stats.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I gotta be a countrywide for PayPal. They have a country where the, where the money comes from. What country?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, from the country, stats. But you can't tell where people are listening or where there's downloads. We don't know if it's even listening.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if they send money and I assume they're listening.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Which would be great.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think we have any stats of Italians listening or donating, unfortunately. Hey, I gotta tell you, first of all. How are you, John? How's everything? You sound great today.

[Adam Curry]

What note did you get now?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, this is from all the notes I got. I concur. You are rude to John C. Dvorak. Okay. All right. I'm turning over a new leaf. It's so good to hear your voice. It's wonderful to have you as my podcast partner. I see immediately you're like, something's wrong with Adam. This can. This can't be right. What's going on? This is not typical.

[Adam Curry]

Are you okay?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Fever. I got a fever. We had Covid. Exactly. We had the best Fredericks meetup. Fredericksburg meetup yet.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you had a meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, it was packed. I mean, it was okay. Twice.

[Adam Curry]

Good. That would make the donation segment longer.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have. Yes, quite long. In fact, we have several insta nights. Secretary generals, this. Of course, we'll go through that in the donation segment. But I just want to say it was a J6 or Jennings place who was not there. She had some retreat, I think in Pennsylvania, but that's the 1776 bar full moon bed and breakfast in Fredericksburg, Luckenbach Road. Matt and Gail Long did a fantastic job setting it up. I'm gonna forget there were so many people there, but the luminaries were out in force. First of all, lots of trap babies, tons of them. Just all kinds of toddlers walking around newborns. It was wonderful to see that. Sir Mark, our documentarian stopped by. Of course. Dirty Jersey whore. All of a sudden, Sir Patrick Coble, Duke of the south, shows up. I just flew in for the meetup.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, somebody's gotta check in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Rob the constitutional lawyer, Sir Brian with an eye, Baron Scott. But really what I loved the most was all the gen zers. Who all had all the gen zers. A lot of them.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the gen zers came out full force. Married, you know, in mid-20s married, some expecting kids, some already with K. It was like, wow, this is really good. And they all had something to say. And the first thing they said is, I love John's noisemakers. They're just so non interruptive. They're just great. They all said, yeah, you're right, there's a lot of idiots in our group. But we feel that 60% is. Well, here's what I'm learning.

[Adam Curry]

They really did the bonus clips, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did. They really enjoy the show because they hope so.

[Adam Curry]

They wouldn't show up at a meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, but this is the point. And some people came from. Some people drove from Colorado. I mean, this was a. An amazing group. And the gen Zers, they all say, hey, you know, I get it. I get it that we look kind of like morons, but the majority of us, and I Think kind of the consensus was 60%. You know, we're on board with what you're saying. We're really just looking for good information, and we seem to be finding it with you two old boomers, which is important. I think we need to realize and recognize that we can educate this entire generation.

[Adam Curry]

That's what we're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, but we need to focus on it and maybe back off a little bit on the tape measures in Florida ounces.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't want to alienate them too much.

[Adam Curry]

No, that doesn't alienate. Because the ones who know better go, yeah, these other kids are dumb. I'm the smart one. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I want to. Okay. I thought we'd focus on positive stuff, but. Okay, let's turn them against their peers. Yeah, let's turn them against their peers. Good idea. And what was really interesting is when they say to you, just so you know, I was in high school during COVID so, you know, things happen to this group, and I think a lot of this group completely, you know, we lost a lot of them, in essence. But, you know, they say easy times make weak men. Weak men. They make hard times. Hard times make hard men. I think this is the group. I think this is the new. The men and their women who are ready to take stuff on. I had a real good feeling about it. It encouraged me a lot. I'm like, you know, I'm loving doing the show. Four more years for sure. Until you guys hit 25, it didn't take much.

[Adam Curry]

Moaning and groaning. They meet two kids. Next thing you know, okay, but I start, let's do a show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, I see a life ahead of us. You know, it's not like we're dying with the rest of the Boomer crowd. But what I realize is that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you mean like the people in Portland singing their my land is your land.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whatever. So, you know, a lot of people are trying to pick up the gaping hole that Charlie Kirk left in school campuses. So we've got Crowder going, you know, to campuses again, I guess. I don't know if he. I don't know exactly what he did differently, but I guess he's on campuses and, you know, prove me wrong.

[Adam Curry]

But he did the prove me wrong thing right at the beginning, and then I think somebody punched him. Something happened. He stopped doing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, he had terrorists from Switzerland coming to kill him, so.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes, that's right. Yemeni terrorists from going through Switzerland to get to him. Yeah, okay. That's right. I forgot.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so what these Gen zers also told me was, you know, you have to remember we didn't go through 9 11. We really were too young even for the Great Recession of 2008. They said we got no Vietnam, we got no Iraq war, we got no 9 11, we got Covid. And you know, so now we got Israel, which was kind of eye opening. He's like, well we got this enemy that we're being told is the problem and we're being told about it online. And so I'm watching Glenn Beck who's now, I don't know what he was thinking, but he's now going to school campuses with his chalkboard. You know his, the great big chalkboard. It always ends up with Soros.

[Adam Curry]

They have Soros over there somewhere in the corner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And so these Gen Zers are coming up to him and this is, I mean this is pretty much almost Alpha now, but I'll just call him the younger Gen Z. And they are on one hand, right. But I mean there's this little clip and Beck was, he was dumbfounded. He didn't know what to say. He was like, he was almost getting booed off stage. He really did not know how to handle it, which I think is a huge mistake that he thought, oh, I'll just go in and do what Charlie did. No, no, it's not that easy. Not that easy. And granted I didn't see the whole thing, but listen to these, these, these kids and particularly the last one because that's the one that really made me go, oh, we have some work to do.

[Adam Curry]

I have a question. Why is there this societal taboo around criticisms of Israel?

[John C. Dvorak]

For example, APAC doesn't have to register.

[Adam Curry]

As a foreign lobby, but like the Australia lobby does. And it just, that should see changed. You're talking about one thing they don't teach in school. They don't teach about the USS Liberty where Israel literally came loop an American ship because they want us to get in their war with Egypt.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, fair enough, fair enough. Here, you know, and this, I just hear the podcast talking, but this next bit was astounding.

[Adam Curry]

This is, you're right. Oh yeah, that's great.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, USS Liberty, fair point. You know, that really has not been disclosed.

[Adam Curry]

Never been fully explained.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it has not been.

[Adam Curry]

And they don't teach in school. I mean, I'm just saying. Thank you, thank you for your question. Israel has an overwhelming lobby over the United States government and we have unconditionally supported them. We have fought their wars in the Middle East. Bibi Netanyahu came to our Congress in the 90s, told us a list of countries that we need to take out. Some were Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, etc. Through those wars, we have lost trillions of dollars. We have lost American servicemen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay? When I heard that, I'm like, hold on a second. Bibi Netanyahu came to Congress in the 90s and said, We've got to take out seven countries in five. I. So, excuse me, Gen Z, I don't know where you picked this one up because you got part of it right, but let us have the actual guy explain it to you. And this is. This is our. This is our fault because we've done this so many times, we forget, oh, there's kids who were in high school during COVID so there's a whole new generation. This happened in the early 2000s. It does refer back to. I'm going to play the long version does refer back to 1990. This was General Wesley Clark who talked about the seven countries in five years. Be very open your ears to how this actually went down, because Bibi Netanyahu was not a part of it.

[Adam Curry]

And then I came back to the Pentagon about six weeks later. I saw the same officer. I said, why? Why haven't we attacked Iraq?

[John C. Dvorak]

We still going to attack Iraq?

[Adam Curry]

He said, oh, sir. He says, it's worse than that. He pulled up a piece of paper off his desk. He said, I just got this memo.

[John C. Dvorak]

From the Secretary of Defense's office.

[Adam Curry]

It says we're going to attack and destroy the governments in seven countries in five years. We're going to start with Iraq, and then we're going to move to Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. I said, seven countries in five years. I said, is that a classified memo?

[John C. Dvorak]

He said, yes, sir.

[Adam Curry]

I said, well, don't show it to me. He was about to show it to me. He said, because I want to talk about it. And I couldn't believe it would really be true. But that's actually what happened. These people took control of the policy in the United States. And I realized.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then it came back to me, a.

[Adam Curry]

1991 meeting I had with Paul Wolfowitz. You know, in 2001, he was Deputy Secretary of Defense, but in 1991, he was the Under Secretary of Defense for policy. It's the number three position in the Pentagon. So I called him up there. He was available, and he brought me in. And I said to Paul, and this is 1991. I said, Mr. Secretary, you must be pretty happy with the performance of the troops in Desert Storm. And he said, well, yeah, he said, but not really, he said, because the truth is we should have gotten rid of Saddam Hussein and we didn't, he said. But one thing we did learn, he said, we learned that we can use our military in the region, in the Middle east, and the Soviets won't stop us. He said, and we've got about five or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet client regimes. Syria, Iran, Iraq, before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a pretty stunning thing.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, the purpose of the military is to start wars and change governments. It's not to sort of deter conflict. We're going to invade countries. And, you know, my mind was spinning. This country was taken over by a group of people with a policy coup. Wolfowitz and Cheney and Rumsfeld and you could name a half dozen other collaborators from the Project for a New American Century. They wanted us to destabilize the Middle east, turn it upside down, make it under our control.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's the point. It wasn't Bibi Netanyahu. It was Neocons. Go look up the Project for New American Century. Dick Cheney. Not a Jew who at the time would probably rip your heart out of your chest and eat it right in front of you. That's the kind of guy he was. Our State Department was still is. Our State Department was set up.

[Adam Curry]

He supported terrorists, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, this was a deliberate setup so that we. And in fact, this was not for Israel. Israel actually sent a lot of official notices saying, please don't invade Iraq. So this was not at behest of Israel or Bibi Netanyahu. This was at the behest of oil companies, mainly the Bushes. And that's how that went down. So I just want to make sure we get the facts straight. And you know what? And Beck stood there with his mouth open as if he'd never even heard this clip. It was astounding. Like, no, pack up the blackboard and go home.

[Adam Curry]

The blackboards should be. Should have been retired.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, kids don't want to see a blackboard. I want to see that.

[Adam Curry]

They don't even know how it works.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there it is. We.

[Adam Curry]

We love making those white lines on that thing. What the hell?

[John C. Dvorak]

What is that device?

[Adam Curry]

What is that? How is that. Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

How do I swipe Erases it. How do I swipe to the next screen? I don't understand at all, however, the Gen Z thing. And we should be on the lookout for it here because it's so far it's been very successful in Morocco and Madagascar. This is, this is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's getting angry. Before you leave the Israel thing, I, I don't. You brought me into the point where I could play these bonus clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there's tons of stuff about Israel, obviously. Sure. What's your bone? Oh, you, you got some morning show stuff as well.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got that. But I have a deconstruction angle here that I think is needed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's go for it.

[Adam Curry]

And it proves that Margaret Brennan's a moron. And it also tells me that these shows are useless. She brought on J.D. vance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. He also did Stephanopoulos. So he's been doing the rounds.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's trying to get the word out as to what Trump actually accomplished. And I can, I'll say what I think it is because he kind of hinted at it and threw Brennan a softball. And all she had to do is say, well, explain that. All she had to do is say what you just said. Just explain that to me. That's all she had to do. But no, no, no, she couldn't even pick it up. So he, then the second go round, he comes back and he actually does start to explain what really happened, what Trump actually accomplished and, and what the whole gambit was. And it breaks it down and breaks it down for her and says it's underreported. Now you, Margaret, you can ask me about this and I can blow it out and you have an exclusive. No, no, no, no. We can't drop the ball.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have none of that. No, have none of that.

[Adam Curry]

This is pathetic reporting. Marco Rubio. Now, it started off with a bunch of pleasantries, but let's. It goes right to the point where we're going to what we're looking for here, which is what did Trump actually do? Marco Rubio, Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner to go and get a deal done to stop the war in Gaza, to begin to rebuild Gaza so the population could live there in peace and prosperity, to actually eliminate the threat of terrorism to our friends in Israel, which is very, very important. And also to bring the hostages home alive. It was a very tall task. He pursued a very non traditional diplomacy with people who were not forced 40 year diplomats, but people who brought a fresh perspective to it. And of course, the President was criticized for it, the diplomatic team was criticized for it. But I think that because he chose a different pathway, he didn't just do what everybody else in the past had done. We are now on the cusp of a Sustainable peace in the Middle East. It's a great moment. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

So two of them in there, two little hellos. One of them was he pursued non traditional diplomacy. So you're going to ask me what that is, aren't you, Margaret? And then just to make it even more obvious, he says he took a different path. And, Margaret, you're going to ask me what that different path is so people out there can understand, aren't you, Margaret? That's what he did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those are some very ambitious plans in.

[Adam Curry]

Phase two in particular of this deal. Let me ask you about some of.

[John C. Dvorak]

The details, because the administration has pledged.

[Adam Curry]

About 200 U.S. troops from central Command.

[John C. Dvorak]

To be part of implementing this deal. They're not going to be in Gaza, but how long will they be involved here? And more broadly, is the Trump administration fully committed to keeping the pressure on? Because those things you just mentioned aren't going to happen overnight. Oh, yeah. So this, this was already all over social media, the North Sea nexus at work. This is what you voted for, boots on the ground, your children are going to die.

[Adam Curry]

So she misses the point completely and brings up the boots on the ground thing. And then he explains to her very carefully in the next clip, no, no, these troops have always been there. They're in Israel. They're part of the aircraft carrier operation. They're sitting there in there. And now here's what I'm going to do, Margaret, I'm going to tell you that something nobody's reported on. All you do is to have to say to me, hey, explain that. It's just simple question. It's not like a big deal, Margaret. All you have to do is explain what you're saying here. And so here's how he continues with that gambit, trying to get her off to actually ask a question. But you asked about the 200 troops from central Command. I think you put it accurately. These are not troops who are going to be put, put in Gaza, but their troops who are already at Central Command. They've been at that base for many, many years. And they're going to help monitor and mediate this peace. Inevitably, there are going to be conflicts here. There are going to be things that the people in Gaza disagree with Israel about, that the Israelis disagree with the Gulf Arab states about. We see our role really as mediating some of those disputes and ensuring that the pressure stays on everybody to achieve a durable and lasting peace. One of the underreported elements of this deal, Margaret. One of the underreported elements of this deal, Margaret, is that the president convinced the entire Muslim world, really both the Gulf Arab states, but as far in Southeast Asia as Indonesia, to really step up and provide ground troops so that Gaza could be secured in safety. And that actually makes it possible to rebuild. It makes it possible to dismantle those terrorist networks. It makes it possible to ensure that lasting peace of that all of us care so much about. So we think that the Arab countries, the Muslim majority countries, are going to step up in a big way with troops on the ground. We're going to continue to play our mediation role, and I think that's a very, very good place for all of us to be. It's been successful thus far, and of course, we're going to work to make it as successful all the way through as we can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she had the exclusive right there, basically.

[Adam Curry]

I hadn't even heard that underreported thing, Margaret. It's underreported. All you have to do is say, what is it that was underreported? Can you explain in more detail? Can you do something? Can you help us understand what's really how this is really structured? Can you do that? And that's what she should be saying right now. But here's what she says. A big picture, though, when it comes to American security.

[John C. Dvorak]

You said back in July that you'd seen what you called heartbreaking images. Well, it was on the prompter. That's all this. Is that what she had to do?

[Adam Curry]

Idiot. She's a moron. She's making millions of dollars and she's. This is the best she can do.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a lot of D people making more money than us, John.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, a lot of them. And they're all in the media, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So one of the things. So I kind of deconstructed what I think he tried to say and what he wants to get out there. And I'm going to just explain what I think happened here, because there was a little mentioned during the Cabinet meeting where Rubio makes a comment about Trump getting on the phone and closing the deal because they couldn't do it. And the deal, the way it looks is to me and Margaret couldn't bring this out in anybody. She's terrible. Is that Trump went to the Arab nations and he prepped them already. He went with that Arab tour and he said, look, this has got to stop. I'm going to. But here's what's going to happen to you guys. If everything goes along as it's going along, Iran's going to be nuclear Powered. You're going to have to get nukes. You guys are all going to blow each other up. And you can have your 72 virgins or whatever is going to happen, but it's not going to be good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can hear him saying that just like, like that.

[Adam Curry]

So here's what we want to do. We've got to stop the situation. We got to just stop this war. I'll put. I'll keep our people, our 200 troops in Israel to keep these Israelis honest. You have to be the guys who go into Gaza with your troops. We don't want any Israelis in there. We don't want any Americans in there. We don't want UN troops in there. We want Arabs. We want Sunnis. You realize that the Sunnis are. The Palestinians are Sunnis. They're also troublemakers. They make a mess everywhere they go. But they're Sunnis. They're being influenced by the Shiites from Iran. You have to police them. This is the thinking that you put a black policeman in a black neighborhood, that's all there is to it. Let's load up. You guys are going to bring the Indonesians, anybody that has troops, you're going in there. You're going to create Sharia law there. You're going to chop heads. We don't care. It's got to stop. Stop. And. And Margaret Brennan's. Oh, you saw a picture of a dead guy and she's an idiot to not even bring this up. And nobody's brought this up. And that's exactly what happened in the old country.

[John C. Dvorak]

We would say that you. You make your egg bite, which means you got that egg out. That's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's hard to get egg out. You have to. Enzymes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. You need m. Enzyme and you need elect. I think you're spot on. I had not. I don't think I've heard this anywhere. And it's interesting that Vance can't seem to get that out because he was on with Stephanopoulos. They covered a variety of topics, but here's just a couple about the ceasefire and deal.

[Adam Curry]

We're joined now by Vice President J.D. vance. Mr. Vice President, thank you for joining us this morning. Let's start with the Middle East.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that.

[Adam Curry]

Hamas has confirmed they are holding 20 living hostages and that those hostages are going to be released in the next 24 hours, early as today, perhaps.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have 20 living hostages been confirmed? When do you expect to see them?

[Adam Curry]

Well, they've been confirmed, George. Of course, you don't know until you see these people alive, but thank God we expect to see them alive here in the next 24 hours, probably early tomorrow morning, US time, which will be later in the day, of course, in Israel. But look, George, we have to remember this is a reform, remarkable achievement from an administration that really chose a non conventional path to diplomacy. And I think that's the major takeaway. The President instructed Mark, Marco Rubio, Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff. He said, get a deal done, talk to the Gulf Arab states, talk to Israel, find where there's common ground here, and actually let's go and find a way to get it done. And because of that, we are on the cusp of true peace in the Middle east, really for the first time time in my lifetime. Certainly these 20 hostages are going to come home to their families. George I think this is a great moment for our country. Our country should be proud of our diplomats who made this happen. It's really a great moment for the world too, which is why the President's going to go over there and celebrate with these hostages. But it's a great thing and I'm very excited about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So how do you think Stephanopoulos picked up on it? Where did he go to the troops and the boots on the ground?

[Adam Curry]

200 US troops are being sent to Israel to monitor the agreement. What exactly will they be doing? Will they actually go into Gaza? And are you concerned they could get caught in some crossfire? George so that story is actually misreported. We already have troops at central command. We've had them for decades in this country. They are going to monitor the terms of the cease fire. That's everything from ensuring that the Israeli troops are at the agreed upon line, ensuring that Hamas is not attacking innocent Israelis, doing everything that they can to ensure the peace that we've created actually sustains and endures. But the idea that we're going to have troops on the ground in Gaza, in Israel, that is not our intention, that is not our plan. There was a bit of a misreporting there. But we are going to monitor this piece to ensure that it endures. The other piece of good news that's been underreported, I think, George, is that Indonesia and a number of other majority Muslim states, they've actually offered to send ground troops to Gaza to ensure the necessary, necessary peacekeeping takes place. That's not something the United States is going to be expected to do. That's something the Muslim world is going to step up and do. And that again, is because of the Trump administration's diplomacy.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what do you think George goes to next once he's heard this? And he could have had. I don't know if this was before Margaret's interview or after, but he certainly could have picked up on that. As you just said. What do you think he talks about next?

[Adam Curry]

Something else. The White House borders. Our Tom Homan was recorded on an.

[John C. Dvorak]

FBI surveillance tape in September 2024, accepting $50,000 in.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're gonna get you on something. Keep that money or give it back.

[Adam Curry]

George, you've covered the story ad nauseum. Tom Homan did not take a bribe. It's a ridiculous smear. And the reason you guys are going after Tom Homan so aggressively is because he's doing the job of enforcing the law. I think it's really preposterous. I know Tom. I think that he's a good man. He gets death threats, he gets attacked. He gets constantly threatened by people because he has the audacity to want to enforce the country's immigration laws. I think that it would be a much more interesting story about why is it that Tom Homan, who is.

[John C. Dvorak]

We can come back to that later. But. And he just hounded him about that. He's completely missing it. These people have blinders on, or they are. They are blinded with rage or something, or they're stupid.

[Adam Curry]

How about that for a possibility? They're lousy. Journalists have been. They're living the life of Riley, as it were, the top of the. Of the hill, you know, lording it over everybody, thinking that their shit doesn't stink and they suck. They suck at their job. They stink. They stink.

[John C. Dvorak]

They. They used to just get all the information direct from the departments, from the. From their sources. And those sources may have dried up at this point.

[Adam Curry]

And that could be whatever the case is. They're. No, they're not any good at their jobs and they're getting lots of money. They're getting attention. The news media is dying largely because these people are so incompetent. And that's why everyone's moaning and groaning about podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let's go straight to the horse's mouth, as it were.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's going to be great. I think it's. The hostages will be coming back Monday or Tuesday. I'll probably be. I'll probably be there. I hope to be there. And we're planning on leaving sometime Sunday, and I look forward to it. And everybody I see is celebrating in Israel, but they're celebrating in many other countries, too. A lot of the Muslim And Arab countries, they're celebrating. Everybody is celebrating. Everybody loves the deal. So it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody loves the deal.

[Adam Curry]

Have been working on it and, and as you know, it's all finalized and done. We've had a lot of terrifically talented people. We've had tremendous support from uae, Saudi Arabia, Qatar has been unbelievable. Unbelievable. Egypt, as you know, and Jordan, Indonesia. I mean, it's. I don't want to leave anybody out. Just so many, so many different countries. It's been incredible. Nobody has seen anything like it. So I think in a year from now, it's going to be great.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, the more I think about it, specifically because I saw it online, the continuous badgering of your children are being sent to Israel to die. I mean, that's the North Sea Nexus, which this abc. These people are all part of it. They're all part, they all get their, their talking points, their marching orders, however it works. I don't even know anymore. Maybe they just look at X all day long. That wouldn't surprise me either. Oh, I gotta do some show prep. Let me look at X. Let me see what people are really thinking about. And that's all game then it's all algoeys. It's all nonsense. So what do we do? He didn't get the Peace Prize.

[Adam Curry]

Let's keep asking about the Peace Prize. That'll, that'll get his ego going. How do you rate your chances of winning the Nobel Peace Prize tomorrow?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Look, I made seven deals and now it's a solved the wars. One going 31 years, one going 34 years, one going 35 years, one going 10 years. I made seven deals. This would be number eight. The one I thought that I was going to make, and I think we will probably is because it's a ridiculous war. It's a horrible war. Worst since World War II. You look at the people is Russia, Ukraine. I think we'll do that too. A lot of reasons for them to do it and I think they'll be coming to the table pretty soon. But this was, this is the biggest of them all. This is a big one. Although I think India and Pakistan is very big. Two nuclear nations. I made that. I did that based on trade and because of the tariffs. If we didn't have tariffs, you wouldn't have been able to do it. But I said, if you, if you guys are going to fight, I'm putting 100% tariffs on each of you. And they immediately stopped fighting. And that was going, that was going to go Nuclear, you know, that's back and forth. So I know one thing. I don't know what they're going to do, really, but I know this, that nobody in history.

[John C. Dvorak]

It winds up with, I, hey, here's what I did. I saved millions of people from dying. That is the end. Since you're so bored of the clip, be nicer to me.

[Adam Curry]

So he talks too much. The funny thing was this Machado woman who's supposedly in hiding that won the Nobel Peace Prize, was on all these different networks. She was on pbs, she was on npr, and they got her on Fox. And I didn't even want to pay much attention to what she had to say because the Fox one was the only one where they let her say what she, I guess, said to all the interviewers that they cut out. Well, I cut it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have Trump's 40 seconds on that, if you want to hear it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, play Trump and then play it. Then I'll play my clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

The person who actually got the Nobel Prize called today, called me and said, I'm accepting this in honor of you because you really deserved it. A very nice thing to do. I didn't. I didn't say, then give it to me, though. I think she might, if she was very nice and I've been, you know, I've been helping her along the way. She.

[John C. Dvorak]

They've.

[Adam Curry]

They need a lot of help in Venezuela. It's a basic disaster. So. And you could also say it was given out for 24, and I was running for office in 24. You know, it wasn't this easy transactions that we did in terms of closing, but there are those that say we did so much that they should have done it. But I don't take. I'm happy because they saved millions of lives.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, take the high road, Prez.

[Adam Curry]

She. Yeah, give it to me. That's funny. See, she said she apparently was lauding Trump on all the shows, but they cut it out of the npr, all the other ones, because you can just tell, because the Fox people had her on and she actually said they should have given it to him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This is it. Nobel Prize, Machado, Trump, Fox. They decided to dedicate it to President.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump because he deserves it.

[Adam Curry]

Because not only has he been involved in only a few months in solving eight wars, but his actions have been decisive to have Venezuela now at a threshold of freedom after 26 years of tyranny that have destroyed the lives of millions of Venezuela, destabilize the region and undermine institutions in the United States because Having Venezuela is a safe haven of the enemies of the United States, and using our territory and our resources to hurt the American people and American institutions is certainly a threat to the national security of the United States and the security of the hemisphere. President Trump has been very clear, courageous in terms of dismantling these criminal structures. And on behalf of the Venezuelan people, I reaffirmed our gratitude and our commitment to this cause for the whole America. So I insist.

[John C. Dvorak]

He deserves it. Yeah, no, they couldn't have any of that. You can't have that.

[Adam Curry]

Be going on any of the other interviews.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, you can't have that.

[Adam Curry]

So, no, I mean, this news media is out of control, just lousy. And it's. And it's what's poisoning the minds of the public.

[John C. Dvorak]

And yes, what was interesting is what ABC decided to play from the Hostages Square speech by Witkoff and Kushner, because there was a piece they left out.

[Adam Curry]

Trump sending his lead negotiators, Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Notice there's a British guy at the ABC here doing this report.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, your point?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just saying, the two speaking last.

[Adam Curry]

Night in Tel Aviv's Hostage Square, the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crowd booing, the mention of Israel's Prime Minister, but cheering Trump's role, your courage and endurance inspired the world. And it was your belief, joined with the bold leadership of my friend and President of the United States, Donald J.

[Adam Curry]

Trump, that made this peace possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

As 200 US troops arrive in Israel to monitor the ceasefire agreement, what was interesting is they didn't play the booing of Netanyahu, which was. Was more than the. The applause that Trump got. Listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

To Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, by the way, I do like his lawyer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa. Okay, okay.

[Adam Curry]

To Prime Minister Benjin. Yahoo. Choked him up. He choked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, it keeps going here.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let me. Let me just finish my thought. I was. I was. I was in the trenches. Guys. Let me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me just finish my thought, guys, please. Simmer down. I know you hate his guts. Simmer down.

[Adam Curry]

I was in the trenches with the Prime Minister.

[John C. Dvorak]

Believe me, he was a very important part here.

[Adam Curry]

Prime Minister. The Prime Minister and his staff, Ron Dermer included, have both. Have both. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? Have both. Have both sacrificed so much for this.

[Adam Curry]

Country and devoted their lives to. To the service of Israel. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Believe me, there better not be a vote soon. That would not. Not bode well for Bibi. Man, oh, man, it was. They would.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And that kind of surprises me that that whole thing wasn't harped on more by the media. To some, something changed there. And the earlier clip, especially to cut that out completely, which most.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought that was odd.

[Adam Curry]

Most of the report I heard had at least initial booing. They didn't have the whole clip where the guy dug himself into a trench he couldn't get out of. So that kind of surprises me. I. You'd think that something changed. That's all I want to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's obvious something changed. I'm just not sure why. I mean, you see, everybody's like, well, D was pretty. I saw Blinken this morning on. What is he on there? Cnn? He's like, well, this could have happened in July, could have happened earlier.

[Adam Curry]

Bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whereas the last thing I can remember from my, my youth is it's always been Camp David. Oh, Rick gonna go meet at Camp David and then have pictures of Camp David for hours on end. Like, oh, they're meeting in the log cabins at Camp David. What would happen? And I think it was Clinton. Didn't he have Arafat and Sadat?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shaking hands?

[Adam Curry]

I think that, I think what my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was that card or not? I can't remember it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I was all. I mean, Camp David goes way back to Eisenhower.

[John C. Dvorak]

As far as I remember, it was always Camp David.

[Adam Curry]

But Trump's the first one, I think, who gave up on this idea of telling Arabs what to do and say, look, you guys take care of this again. I think the analogy of a black cop in a black neighborhood has a lot to do with it. And you just get out of there and, you know, put the. Let them create a onerous Sharia law head chopping situation that'll put him in line. See how far Hamas gets with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen to. I got two reports here from cbs. Let's see, because we've had the gamut.

[Adam Curry]

Now, more than 400,000.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another Brit, I might add.

[Adam Curry]

Israelis crammed into Hostage Square last night.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are there no Americans reporting, reporting in. In the Middle East. Is that over now? We just don't have Americans who can report. It always has to be British reporters.

[Adam Curry]

It's become at this point of yours is you're beating it up. But I have to say, you haven't really gotten to the point where it's like, you're wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'll keep beating until you correct me. To the hostages themselves, our brothers and sisters, you are coming home.

[Adam Curry]

A hero's welcome for Middle east envoy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Steve Witkoff, flanked by President Trump's son.

[Adam Curry]

In law, Jared Kushner, to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. But Witkoff was Never going to convince a crowd who have lived through heartbreak, despair and rage. And accused Prime Minister Netanyahu of a bad abandoning hostages in Gaza. Retired General Israel Ziv, who rushed to save lives during the October 7 Hamas attack, believes this deal could have been sealed over a year ago. It's late. The costs, well, very high internally and externally. I think that politically the Israel lost their name in the war wall because we went maybe too far in Gaza. I think the attack in Doha was also, you know, one step too much.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what CBS does is I think they're on message. They're like, nah, Bibi Netanyahu no good. And they didn't mention Trump at all, I don't think. Let's see what's in the second clip here, huh? Oh, I thought you said something. I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

The ceasefire is still holding. 48 hostages, living and dead, will be exchanged for 250 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences and 1700 detained since October 2023. The deadline is Monday. As Israeli troops withdrew to an agreed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Upon line within Gaza, hundreds of thousands.

[Adam Curry]

Of Palestinians started the long walk home. Almost the, the entire population has been displaced.

[John C. Dvorak]

We enjoy the moment right now and.

[Adam Curry]

Personally I'm going home. Despite the fact that it maybe are a point of rubbers. Even though home is unrecognizable for so many, Palestinians are desperate to reclaim memories.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of life before the war.

[Adam Curry]

I will just live in a tent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Near the rubble of my home, said Mohammed Samur.

[Adam Curry]

Until I can find a solution. The pain of loss is everywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

More than 67,000 people have been killed, according to Gaza's Health Ministry.

[Adam Curry]

And minds too have been shattered by this war. 14 year old Karim was so traumatized he couldn't remember where he wanted to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Then they brought in the children.

[Adam Curry]

Of course now UNICEF says they have never known a place where every single child needs psychological support. Margaret.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So then they're just going to keep that going forever. Can't talk about good news. Yeah, can't talk about it. Can't talk about good news. Now this Venezuelan Nobel Peace Prize winner and I always have to smile at the whole idea of the Nobel Peace Prize. Do people know who Alfred Nobel was?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he invented dynamite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And so he invented dynamite. And they're like, well, that wasn't such a great invention. I know what, let's do it.

[Adam Curry]

This is a great invention for modern mining.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. But, but it also blew people up. And so I know, well, you know, let's do an award show. There's an idea. Well, yeah, this is our Gambit, by the way. It's like, yeah, people don't like what we're doing. Well, let's do an award show around it and call it the Peace Prize. Oh, perfect idea. She's a bitcoiner too, I might add. So the bitcoin community's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

To the moon.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the moon. So now we have something to talk about. Venezuela, obviously, President Trump killing people illegally. I really even just this concept of you killed someone illegally, it feels weird to even say that.

[Adam Curry]

That is a funny phrase.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's like, yeah, well this is Jim Heinz Himes. Himes.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, does anyone ever talk about Obama and his kill list double tap and all the rest of it?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we can't bring it.

[Adam Curry]

And you know a double tap was definitely going to kill innocents.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, illegally. So this is the ranking member of the House intelligence community, Jim Himes, Venezuela.

[Adam Curry]

There are close to the. We've seen are like 6,000 or so service people in the Southern Command region of operations.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is your friend Margaret. I believe so. This is groovy.

[Adam Curry]

There have been four US strikes on vessels. The US says 21 people killed.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like the term vessels. You mean those open drug boats with the drugs in them? The vessels.

[Adam Curry]

You have been asking for legal justification from the administration to explain their actions and you did it along with the head of foreign affairs. Wait, wait, did she ever bring this topic up about legal justification? When Obama killed the American citizen who was a. And his 16 year old son?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't recall. I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

I'm just wondering maybe because I think she might, if she's going to be so upset about this. Probably not fishery and homeland security, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'S Himes who's upset.

[Adam Curry]

Can you in any way compel more information sharing? So the US knows what is being done? Yeah, I mean public, I should say one of the many troubling aspects about these lethal attacks in the Caribbean against supposedly drug dealing boats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Supposedly the powder was everywhere.

[Adam Curry]

Don't know that because unlike our counterterrorism program, the Congress is not being told.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who were on these boats, how they.

[Adam Curry]

Were identified, what the intelligence was. Totally different thing. Congress is being told nothing on this and that's okay. Apparently with the Republican majorities in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

House and the Senate, it's not okay with me. I'm going to leave a little bit.

[Adam Curry]

Of a crack in the door here because again, the White House has not shared what they believe their legal justification is. They did put out a memo. I will tell you that based on what I know now.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the reading of that memo. These are illegal killings.

[Adam Curry]

They are illegal killings because the notion.

[John C. Dvorak]

That the United States, and this is.

[Adam Curry]

What the administration says is their justification, is involved in an armed conflict with any drug dealers.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is so ridiculous. So he says they sent a memo. It was the typical authorized use of military force memo. Very typical. Every president has done it saying, yeah, we're going to go kill these guys because they're killing our people with their drugs. And so now he said, well, they sent a memo. It was the procedure. Listen, we're still under emergency powers from 9, 11, so all cards are really off the table. But if you had said Corn Pop was there, he was a bad dude, he probably wouldn't have had a problem with it. Venezuelan drug dealers is ludicrous.

[Adam Curry]

It wouldn't stand up in a single court of law.

[John C. Dvorak]

They say they've designated them as terrorists.

[Adam Curry]

It doesn't matter. There's lots of people who have been designated terrorists. That does not automatically give the authority to take lethal action. So their legal justifications are laughable. She is gonna. Because he's. Because he said that. Just because they're terrorists doesn't mean you can take lethal action. That's when she's gonna jump in. And with the Obama stuff. Right, yeah, sure. Terrorists. That does not automatically give the authority to take lethal action.

[John C. Dvorak]

But President Obama did that with double tap drone strikes, including American citizen and his son. So how do about that?

[Adam Curry]

So their legal justifications are laughable.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what, again, unless they want to.

[Adam Curry]

Share more than what they've shared with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me, these are illegal killings. And what amazes me about that is.

[Adam Curry]

That the president, of course, thanks to.

[John C. Dvorak]

This very compliant Supreme Court, has been given absolute immunity.

[Adam Curry]

But what about the Secretary of defense? What about the deputy? What about everybody else in that chain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of command, right on down to the.

[Adam Curry]

Guy who's pulling a trigger that results.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the deaths of people without clear legal authority.

[Adam Curry]

What about them? Test me on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

It wouldn't surprise me if in the.

[Adam Curry]

Next couple of years there are presidential pardons offered to that entire chain of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Command, because it is not at all clear. Well, it is getting. And you'd expect her now to bring up the Biden pardons, but no, increasingly.

[Adam Curry]

Clear that these are illegal killings.

[John C. Dvorak]

Setting aside the law for a second here, Margaret, you know, I don't know this because they're not telling Congress anything.

[Adam Curry]

But the press has all sorts of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rumors that the first attack was on a boat that had turned around and was fleeing.

[Adam Curry]

Even if this were a legitimate military.

[John C. Dvorak]

Action, which it's not because the Congress hasn't approved it. You know, firing on a fleeing enemy.

[Adam Curry]

Would be a violation of the laws of armed conflict. My Republican friends are saying, but these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are terrible people doing terrible things. Okay, I don't disagree with you on.

[Adam Curry]

That, but are we now in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Business of killing people who are doing.

[Adam Curry]

Bad things without authority?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Hello again. It goes right back to Obama.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, we are in that business. We've been in that business and we're in that business.

[Adam Curry]

This is pathetic.

[John C. Dvorak]

One more clip.

[Adam Curry]

Do you. Are you saying that these were not lawful orders?

[John C. Dvorak]

Again with the. Look, all killing is by my book technically no good. It's. None of it's legal. But ok, again, the military.

[Adam Curry]

Because what we constantly hear from our military leaders is, do not worry, our United States military is going to be reliant on the Constitution and only carry out lawful orders. Are you saying that these members of the military who were the trigger pullers did something else?

[John C. Dvorak]

Trigger pullers. Oh, now they're trigger pullers.

[Adam Curry]

I am saying that to all appearances.

[John C. Dvorak]

These are illegal killings.

[Adam Curry]

And you can get a thousand different lawyers of both parties on this show to tell you that at best the legal authorities are questionable.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I am fascinated by why the chain of command. I'm going to call Rob constitutional lawyer. I get 1999 to go.

[Adam Curry]

Is so confident that the lethal activities they're taking are legal.

[John C. Dvorak]

They don't look that way to me.

[Adam Curry]

And this is a big deal. Right?

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, I understand that right now.

[Adam Curry]

We'Re in a very polarized environment.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's going to be very hard.

[Adam Curry]

For a Republican colleague of mine to make the statements that I have just made. But the worm turns, Margaret.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, in 1968 we prosecuted convicted of murder a lieutenant, Lieutenant Cowley, because.

[Adam Curry]

He and his unit killed, killed probably.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hundreds of people in my lay in Vietnam.

[Adam Curry]

And there were prostitutes, there was a massacre of civilians out of the boys. How is that even close to this?

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, Milei is a very, very dark mark in our history for sure. But yes, to compare it to that. And what is the point? Is he now trying to scare the military? All you trigger pullers. Yeah, you can go to jail. You can go to jail if you follow Trump's orders. Convicted of murder a lieutenant, Lieutenant Cali.

[Adam Curry]

Because he and his unit killed prob.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hundreds of people in Milei and Vietnam.

[Adam Curry]

And there were prosecutions after that.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm a little fascinated about why.

[Adam Curry]

That chain of command is so comfortable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Undertaking killings just because the Trump Administration says. Oh, it's okay.

[Adam Curry]

This is. Hold on. This is so begging for the Obama information to come out by Margaret. She is terrible. How does she even have a job?

[John C. Dvorak]

Fresh in from the rob, the constitutional lawyer who as you know, was a Jaguar, he says these ops go through lots more jags. Lots. This guy is all wet. So in other words, wow, there's a.

[Adam Curry]

Phrase I haven't heard for a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

This guy's wet.

[Adam Curry]

He's all wet. Love it. Just because the Trump administration says.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's okay.

[Adam Curry]

Not an administration that is known for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Their adherence to the law or to the Constitution. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Let me see. Drones. I wonder, did we have any drones opinion, Governor, because we know President Obama's position on this.

[Adam Curry]

What is your position on the use of drones? Well, I believe that we should use any and all means necessary to take out people who pose a threat to us and our friends around the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who is this? Can you recognize the voice?

[Adam Curry]

I'm trying to. I'm trying to hear. And it's widely reported that drones are being used in drone strikes. And I support that entirely and feel the President was right to up the usage of that technology and believe that we should continue to use it to continue to go after the people who represent a threat to this nation and to our friends. Let me also.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's Mitt Romney. That's Romney.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's exactly who he is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we have Obama on drones here.

[Adam Curry]

So this is the problem. When Obama was doing it, the Republicans were all on board cuz they didn't hate Obama like these guys hate Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've actually asked the FAA and a number of agencies to examine how are we managing this new technology because the drone that landed in the White House, you buy in Radio Shack. Oh, okay. There's different drones. This is the problem. We don't even know. We don't even know which drones we're talking about. Was it Tuesday killed kill list.

[Adam Curry]

What do we have Kill list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was the kill list.

[Adam Curry]

We should have a kill list clip. You think happen because every Tuesday come in and. Yeah, supposedly laugh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go. Here I got one. What you see is from a New York Times article that sort of really laid all this. This is 2012 material out in the greatest detail yet is that the President is involved almost at a tactical level. And the change in technology has allowed this president to make decisions that no previous president would be able to do. So what you have is a wide variety of counterterrorism officials, national security officials, notice terrorism Counterterrorism. Exactly the same thing. We're talking about weighing in, looking at the biographies of suspected terrorists to decide who's going to be next on the kill list. Yeah. And then finally, the President himself can weigh in and make an exact decision. Because of technology, because of these drone strikes, it's the President himself who can make these sort of tactical decisions. I spoke with an analyst, Peter Singer, who said there are actually two kill lists, one being run by the military, one by the CIA. And the danger in that is that you can manipulate the list. In other words, if you have a.

[Adam Curry]

Target that kill your wife, meet the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Criteria from the military list, you can sort of put that name on the CIA list.

[Adam Curry]

And what that could do in some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cases where you have this overlap is it opens up the process to perhaps manipulation because you've got some of the same people involved in these meetings, Wolf, and some of the same people with different agendas using these lists.

[Adam Curry]

And at least for now, correct me.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I'm wrong, the legal opinions, the White House legal opinion, the Justice Department department legal opinion, DoD legal opinion, authorizing these targeted killings with drones and other means, if necessary, those legal opinions remain classified. Secret, right? Those remain classified. And neither the White House nor the Pentagon has really given a full accounting of how they measure civilian casualties. They will say publicly that they won't go ahead with a strike, you know, if there is a danger of high civilian casualties, except in the rarest of circumstances. But in countries where there are no.

[Adam Curry]

Boots on the ground, so to speak.

[John C. Dvorak]

They never accounted for how they verify how many civilian casualties there are in some of these strikes. They simply keep saying the casualties are low. The casualties are low. Yeah. So they didn't even say anything back in Obama's day. They just did it. And they used CIA kill lists as well.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

Now you got this. This guy. This guy was all wet.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's wet.

[Adam Curry]

But meanwhile, they're playing it up, and Margaret's saying nothing about, you know, the 2012, by the way, is only 13 years ago. It's not forever. It's not the 1800s.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, you're. You're right. You're right. Let me see. Well, then we could probably move to our sales guy. Let me see. Yes. So President Trump sat with the Finnish. Is it president or prime minister? Do they have a president in Finland? Yeah. Is that a president?

[Adam Curry]

Probably prime minister.

[John C. Dvorak]

Prime minister. I think this is for the icebreaker deal. Six or $8 billion, it's a good.

[Adam Curry]

Deal because it doesn't make sense. To me, with global warming, what do you need icebreakers for?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, don't talk about that. And so President Trump says something, and then I'm going to follow this up with our, with our top sales guy.

[Adam Curry]

You want to step up the pressure.

[John C. Dvorak]

For a Ukraine deal?

[Adam Curry]

We are stepping up the pressure. We're stepping it up together. We're all stepping it up. NATO has been great. The leader of NATO, as you know. More Mark has been fantastic, I think, and he's a fantastic guy. And they are stepping it up. And we're selling a lot of weapons to NATO and that's going, I guess, to Ukraine for the most part. That's up to them. But they're buying weapons from the us we make the greatest weapons in the world. You buy our planes and a lot of our equipment and you have a big force. Actually, you have a tremendous force of equipment. So I think we'll get that one done too.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the President is rightfully saying here, like, you know, we make the best weapons. You want to kill somebody? We got the stuff. Hey, look at my, look at my, in my, in my coat. Look at this. I got all the stuff you can kill people with. We make the best. And Mark is out there spending the 1.5% that is not going to our weapons. I don't think the President is aware. This is him speaking for the. For the opening of a cybersecurity conference in the eu, which he unfortunately could not attend. So what do you do? You send a video. Hey, good morning, everybody. Good morning to all of you in Tirana. Hello.

[Adam Curry]

It is a great pleasure to address.

[John C. Dvorak]

The NATO Cyber Defence Conference. And I'm sorry I can't be with you in person today. The keyboard is a weapon of war. The keyboard is a weapon of war. This is crazy. Marketing our military. The keyboards. The keyboards will kill everybody. The keyboards. I'm sorry, I can't be with you in person. Let me get straight to the point today. The keyboard is a weapon of war targeting our militaries and our societies. Every day, state and non state actors are working in cyberspace against us, trying to disrupt our defenses, degrade our critical infrastructure, spy on our societies and interfere with government services. I think the Europeans are spying on their own citizens. Kvyatinov without the foreigners. In response, NATO continues to grow stronger in the digital world.

[Adam Curry]

Ah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where we have 1.5% of spending the money we don't send to America for the great weapons. Ten years ago, cyber became an operational domain. We plan, train and conduct operations with cyber as part of Our military activity and our adversaries know that a cyber attack or campaign could trigger Article 5. Oh, really? Article 5 is on deck. At our military headquarters in Belgium. We are establishing NATO's Integrated Cyber Defense Center. It will inform NATO military commanders on possible threats and vulnerabilities. This has false flag written all over it. It they're going to get some kind of cyber attack and maybe it'll affect the airline so it gets into the news. You know, God forbid we talk about some router company who got completely compromised for firewalls. That's not important. Yeah, we'll do this because they do not want to spend the money on our stuff in cyberspace. Including privately owned critical civilian infrastructure. The center will bring together military and civilian personnel from across NATO's structures, as well as from allied governments and experts from industry. NATO allies are also stepping up their investments in cyber. Stepping up their investments in cyber. Stepping up, stooping up, stooping up the investments in cyber. As well as from allied governments and experts from industry, NATO allies are also stepping up their investments in cyber. At the summit in the Hague, we made the historic decision to spend 5% of GDP on the defense on core capabilities as well as defense and security related investments. Ah, see, he knows that this is all about the money. This means our militaries will become even stronger and our societies more resilient against cyber threats. Yes. Go buy your your water bag and your cracker. Inevitable. Countries are ultimately responsible.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, hold on. Stop. Did he say our militaries will become stronger?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he did.

[Adam Curry]

Because of cyber.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Stronger, better, faster.

[Adam Curry]

Because of cyber.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because keyboard is a weapon of war. It's the historic decision to spend 5% of GDP on defense on core capabilities as well as defense and security related investments. This means our militaries will become even stronger and our societies more resilient against cyber threat threats. Individual countries are ultimately responsible for their national cyber defenses. But NATO provides a unique network through which allies can implement responses to cyber threats.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. What does military got to do with cyber?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a weapon of war. The keyboard. Did you not hear my speech?

[Adam Curry]

It's like, okay, so you have a cyber attack, takes down all every server in the country. What's the military going to do about what's the military got to do with this?

[John C. Dvorak]

We have the capabilities.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, keep playing. I'll stop interrupting.

[John C. Dvorak]

This conference in Tirana is a great forum to share your expertise, ideas and best practices. Yes. NATO is an alliance of shared values. And he will continue to promote a norms based, predictable and secure approach to cyberspace. No one stands alone in NATO. And we all stand together in this digital age against those who would do us harm. Dear friends, I wish you a very successful conference. Okay, friends, friends, friends.

[Adam Curry]

What was this conference again?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the cyber. The NATO cyber conference.

[Adam Curry]

You're right. This is a setup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. Meanwhile, Spain. Spain better watch out. They're in the crosshairs. US President Donald Trump suggested that Spain should be thrown out of NATO as he met with his Finnish counterpart Alexander Stubb in the OV on Thursday. You have the meeting supposed to be the prelude to Finland's purchasing of U.S. icebreaker ships, steered into a discussion on the defense alliance Trump had been feuding with. Did he say us? He said something weird there. Hold on, let me listen again. The meeting supposed to be the prelude to Finland's purchasing of U.S. icebreaker ships. No.

[Adam Curry]

No, just the other way around. Is not buying our icebreakers.

[John C. Dvorak]

That would be funny. I got some crazy, great, beautiful ships for you. They bust through ice like no one else's. The meeting supposed to be the prelude to Finland's purchasing of U.S. icebreaker ships, steered into a discussion on the defense alliance. Trump had been feuding with Spain for several months, ever since the Iberian nation announced that it would not comply with his demands of raising defense spending to 5% of GDP.

[Adam Curry]

As you know, I requested that they pay 5%, not 2%. And most people thought that was not going to happen. And it happened virtually unanimously. We had one laggard. It was Spain. Spain, they're doing fine. They have no excuse not to do this, but that's all right. Maybe you should throw them out of NATO, frankly.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I love how the report starts, because what the President actually says is, maybe you should throw them out of NATO. But that's not what the report starts with. Listen, US President Donald Trump suggested that Spain should be thrown out of NATO as he met with his Finn counterpart, Alexander. Anyway, why is Spain not stepping up? What. What is wrong with them?

[Adam Curry]

They're. They've got some common sense, like, we're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not going to do that.

[Adam Curry]

Spanish are dumb. They looked at it going, holy. What are we. What's got to do with us? This is bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good point.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because we're not falling for that nonsense.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we'll go for the 2%. You know, just as a. You know, because you had. We have to. But no, no, we're not the 5%. Forget it. Or they could pull a stunt. You know, they could do. Just say, yeah, okay, sure, and do the Wood. Spanish. And there's Portuguese, both of us. Spanish mainly. I mean, when I was one time, I was floating around there and it was like, they build all this stuff on EU borrowed money and they never pay it back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back. Oh, well, it was. Portugal was famous for that.

[Adam Curry]

Portugal is unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, Portugal. They. They built an airport that no one went to for years. Is that thing open? I don't know. I lost track.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

They built roads.

[Adam Curry]

There was one. I was on some road somewhere. I was like, it must have been Portugal. Where there was no, like. No, it's a beautiful highway that absolutely nobody was on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was Portugal. Portugal. Yeah, it's Portugal. So then we have the weaponization, the weaponization of the Department of Justice. This is such a beautiful vachezer. Bengezelch mitze Copter to helv. This is just fabulous. We go back to George Stephanopoulos.

[Adam Curry]

Now to President Trump's retribution campaign here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Retribution campaign. They haven't. They have a term for it. I'm surprised they didn't have a big, you know, timpani drum. Trump retribution campaign.

[Adam Curry]

What? This guy should be happy he has a job.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure he has.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, he's like a bitter, crappy reporter. He never was a reporter. He was a strategist. He was a PR guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, consultant. What was his actual job with Clinton?

[Adam Curry]

I think he was his spokes hole for a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was he a spokes hole really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think so. He was like. Jen Psaki. Now to President Trump's retribution campaign here at home with the indictment of New York Attorney General Letitia James this week on charges that have been rejected by previous prosecutors. I am your retribution.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was the calling card of Donald Trump's 2024 campaign. You're right. He was the communications director and then later became the White House communications director and then became senior advisor for policy and strategy retribution, as he fended off four different indictments and promised to dispute.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, by the way, by the way, a guy like that, a strategy guy, is the guy who would come up with these concepts of retribution campaign.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. No slouch there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And of course, he fell out of grace. He did Dukakis campaign, I think.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's possible. Yeah. That was a bad move. Yes, it was Dukakis in the tank.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a two tier justice system weaponized against him. He also claimed law and order was absent across the country and vowed to bring it back. Nearly nine months into his second stint in the White House, President Trump has.

[Adam Curry]

Been pushing critical agencies like DOJ and Homeland Security to be ultra aggressive, instructing ICE to conduct sweeping removals of undocumented.

[John C. Dvorak]

Immigrants and ordering National Guard troops into Democrat led cities. With a number of courts questioning whether he's stretching the limits of his constitutional authority, this week, his Justice Department secured.

[Adam Curry]

An indictment against one of his main.

[John C. Dvorak]

Political enemies, New York Attorney General Letitia James, who campaigned on going after Donald Trump and who won a half billion dollar judgment in a civil fraud case against the Trump Organization and his family.

[Adam Curry]

DOJ announcing that James is charged with.

[John C. Dvorak]

One count of bank fraud and one count of making false statements to a financial institution, which each carry a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison and up to a million dollar fine.

[Adam Curry]

Prosecutors alleged that James misled a bank.

[John C. Dvorak]

In order to get a more favorable term on a mortgage loan, specifically claiming that the property was going to be a secondary residence when, according to prosecutors, it was going to be rented for profit. So this is, this is one of the three main attack vectors, I think, of which of the three this is the weakest, you know, because everybody hates corruption, whether it's Trump or Letitia James or whatever. So here's, here's a little background on, on this particular subject.

[Adam Curry]

In 2023, New York Attorney General Letitia James brought a lawsuit against Donald Trump's business conglomerate that alleged financial fraud. He was found guilty and later called James crooked, railing against her before and after winning a second term in 2024. Often from the Oval Office.

[John C. Dvorak]

Corrupt Letitia James is costing New York State hundreds of billions of dollars in lost business.

[Adam Curry]

No company or individual wants to be there. Knowing she's the Attorney General, she's a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Complete and total disaster.

[Adam Curry]

She was federally indicted on fraud charges Thursday. The suit alleges that she purchased a Virginia home as a secondary residence and thus benefiting from a tax break, but has since rented it out. She has dismissed the charges as baseless. This is nothing more than a constitution. Can you stop a second?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Baseless.

[Adam Curry]

One of the things that was on the bank statement that she said it was a primary residence. They've changed the narrative. These, these news outlets to secondary residents. It was going to be. But, but the fraud is that she claims it's a primary residence. Yeah, there is no secondary residence box to check. So this is a good. They're trying to soften the blow as it was secondary residence. And yeah, she rented out. But it's secondary. No, she said to the bank, and it cost the bank 18,000 dol, supposedly in interest because she got a better Deal, which was. I've heard people come on MSNBC saying, well, it was only $18,000. This isn't like millions.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not how it works.

[Adam Curry]

It's not how it works, but that sounds good on msnbc. This is pathetic. She should just go, nola Contendre, get it out of the way, and say, okay, so what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the problem is, is she has 40 years of this kind of fraud. It goes way beyond this one, this one instance. We'll let her finish, and then I'll play the clip where we unveil some of that.

[Adam Curry]

She has dismissed the charges as baseless. This is nothing more than a continuation of the President's desperate weaponization of our justice system.

[John C. Dvorak]

Desperate, desperate.

[Adam Curry]

Forcing federal law enforcement agencies to do his bidding. All because I did my job as the New York State Attorney General. The indictment comes amidst the White House ramping up its attacks against Democrats and perceived opponents alike. On Wednesday, Trump called for the jailing of the Illinois governor and the Chicago mayor for opposing his mass deportation campaign.

[John C. Dvorak]

A little over two weeks ago, James.

[Adam Curry]

Comey, the former FBI director whose Bureau probed the 2016 Trump presidential campaign over possible ties to Russia, was also federally indicted, this time on charges of false statements and obstruction of a congressional proceeding in 2020.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here's another problem with our show, and in this case, it's one of our top producers of the show, MO Facts. MO told us, and we discussed it many times, I think two years ago, maybe longer. He said, very clearly, he said, what the Democrats are doing is they're throwing all of these black women and black. Black people, Black Americans in front so that when it all comes crumbling down, they can blame it on the black people. You remember this? This is the MO prophecy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but he was specific to black women.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was very specific to black women. And so Bannon war room, all of a sudden, they've discovered this. And so now, you know, we can't spike any balls because we were saying this two years ago. Thanks. This is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is very. You're right. This is the problem with our show. We are so far ahead of the curve with some. Not with everything.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, not with.

[Adam Curry]

But with enough stuff that spiking the ball, we can't do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

We already spiked the ball, like, two years ago. We're like, somebody else is spiking our ball. Okay, well, I can start walking you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Through it by telling you that the.

[Adam Curry]

Democrats threw up black prosecutors Alvin Bragg, Fannie Willis, and Letitia James to go after Donald Trump. Trump, on charges that they knew would not stick. So they looked at these black prosecutors as cannon fodder. They simply sacrificed them, knowing that they would probably go down for what they were doing. Sure enough, Tish James probably should not have been charging Donald Trump with trumped up charges of mortgage fraud in New York, given the fact that New York is a public record state and that all of her mortgages for 43 years were all online for myself or anybody else to pull up. And what I found is a pattern of mortgage fraud going all the way back to 1983, when she was only 24 years old. She purchased her first home with her father, claiming that her father was her husband. They purchased it as husband and wife in order to help Letitia qualify for a mortgage that she was not entitled to. Leticia continued this pattern of mortgage fraud with her building in Brooklyn. She bought a four story, five unit apartment building, and for 24 years, she told the banks it was either four units or one unit, even though the certificate of occupancy for the building said it was five units. Now, this is very significant because if you have four units or less, you get a residential mortgage rate, which is lower. You also get almost no closing costs. Five units are higher. Like Letitia had, you get hot interest rates and very high closing costs. So Leticia gamed the system in New York. She also didn't register for rent stabilization, which she was supposed to do every year, and she simply had. Her building is a crime scene.

[John C. Dvorak]

This guy goes on and on and on about it. But yeah, so there you go. And that is your friendly big tent Democrat party. Throw up the black women in front of it. Yeah, Cannon father.

[Adam Curry]

And run them over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. CANNON father. So, so it's a weak attack vector, of course, the one that. Well, the one we're seeing continuously playing out, and we'll see how that goes, is trying to break up the President's base over Israel and, you know, psyoping the kids into believing that everybody's controlled by Israel specifically. So that, and that, that, that's a, that's a pretty good one from, from our North Sea nexus. But the other one is finance and they're doing a lot to try. You're going to see this. I think this messaging will come in stronger and stronger about inflation. And Trump's done nothing and it's all his tariffs. You know how many courts are now on this tariff thing? They keep pushing that. And then what you don't hear is this little ditty from Scott Besant, one of the agays in Washington, and he is our Treasury Secretary did a fireside chat, which I thought was quite interesting. Here's how we started it.

[Adam Curry]

So I know every banker in this room is interested to see how you think about how the economy is going to develop over the next 12 to 24 months, and what key risks and opportunities should they be thinking about and looking out for as they're thinking about how to shape their businesses going forward.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I come with some good news this morning, and treasury, because of the Schumer shutdown, has not been a. Will not be able to release the exact numbers. But the CBO jumped the gun a bit and it was on Bloomberg this morning that the deficit for this fiscal year ending September 30th will be slightly lower. What? When I went to see President Trump to eat a applause. The bankers like it.

[Adam Curry]

And more important importantly, the deficit to GDP now has a 5 in front of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So according to the CBO numbers, and we don't have the treasury numbers yet, the deficit to GDP will fall in from about 6.5%, which was the highest when we weren't at war or weren't in a recession in US history, to 5.9%. When I went to see President Trump, Trump, approximately two years ago to tell him that I'd like to come out from behind my desk and get involved with the campaign, he looked at me first thing, he said, scott, how are we going to get the debt and.

[Adam Curry]

Deficits down and not cause a recession?

[John C. Dvorak]

And we're on our way. I think that sounds like pretty significant news.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm surprised it's not covered by anybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

The deficit went down. Oh, boy. Well, we'll have to see. Have to see how that goes.

[Adam Curry]

Supposedly he's chopping jobs now, too, which is. I still wonder about.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that that sounds more like Trump blather to me than. Than actual chopping. No, I see no evidence so far.

[Adam Curry]

No evidence.

[John C. Dvorak]

No evidence?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

No evidence. What else? What do you have? Let's. I'm tired of my clips.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, let's see what we have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because, you know, I love your clips because you're great, John. You're just fabulous. You're so. You're the best podcast partner.

[Adam Curry]

You're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Any man could hope.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You're unbelievable. That brings us to a tick tock clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love your tick tock clips. They're great.

[Adam Curry]

Here's the black woman. This is a talk about black women that Mo is complaining about. I'd like to know where this. I've heard this is one of many clips of such like this I've heard. And I'd like to know where this is coming from.

[John C. Dvorak]

And another thing I want to say.

[Adam Curry]

I think that black people are superior. We are superior.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everything that we do, we dominate it.

[Adam Curry]

Every little thing. Some of the best entertainers are black. Sports is full of black people. We have invented.

[John C. Dvorak]

Invented everything.

[Adam Curry]

Self lubricating engine, airplane, cell phones, everything. Stop lights, everything. We are superior. And they know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

They know that, which is why they're.

[Adam Curry]

Trying to keep us down, which is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why they try to make us feel.

[Adam Curry]

Like we want whole time. They ain't. Y' all could never. Y' all could never, ever, ever make.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me hate my people.

[Adam Curry]

Never. Which is why I don't condone interracial relationships.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because you ain't doing nothing but diluting your bloodline.

[Adam Curry]

That's all you're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

But my issue with black people is.

[Adam Curry]

We don't know how superior we are. Black women don't understand how beautiful they are. You don't understand. If you just simply wear your natural hair and take care of yourself, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will be chef's kiss.

[Adam Curry]

You will look like a goddess. Because we are mother.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are mother.

[Adam Curry]

The whole world wants to be us. Whole world. Nobody's better than us. Nobody. This ain't got nothing, nothing to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

With me being racist. It's just the truth.

[Adam Curry]

It is an honest to God truth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is why black men are a novelty to y'. All. Women of other races and ethnicities.

[Adam Curry]

Y' all know what we got. Y' all know exactly what we got. It's just we don't know what we got. And that's what. That's why it's a problem. And that's why we're not able to organize. But one day we will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because one thing about these younger folks.

[Adam Curry]

They waking up and it ain't gonna always be like this. Nope. These younger people, even in my. Even in my generation, I'm a millennial. And we waking up slowly but surely so y' all can think that y'.

[John C. Dvorak]

All can delete our history and delete everything that we ever known all you want to.

[Adam Curry]

We gonna rest assure. We're gonna rest assure that our kids, Kids, kids, kids, kids, kids.

[John C. Dvorak]

Knew we were here and knew what we fought for.

[Adam Curry]

You better bet your last bottom dollar on that.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what's her point? Is there some denial of black inventions that I'm unaware of?

[Adam Curry]

Well, they didn't invent. When did the blacks invent the cell phone and the airplane?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I honestly don't know. Cell phone. Let's See?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I know who invented the cell phone. I interviewed him. He was at. He was on one of the shows on zdtv. He was a nice guy, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. You're not error. Let's ask error. Let's find out for sure.

[Adam Curry]

Error.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was it a black man or woman who invented the cell phone? Jesse Eugene Russell. Jesse Russell.

[Adam Curry]

He was the real pioneer. Filed key patents back in the 80s.

[John C. Dvorak]

For mobile communication tech. Well, there you go. What do you know, John?

[Adam Curry]

So Jesse, huh? Well then you might as well. The airplane was invented by black according to her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's find out. Hey, Eric, which black man or woman invented the airplane?

[Adam Curry]

Charles Frederick Page, a black inventor from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Louisiana, patented his airship design in 1903.

[Adam Curry]

Beating the Wright brothers by months.

[John C. Dvorak]

He'd even built a working model earlier that year. It's wild how history sidelined him, but sources like local records and the patent office back it up. Well, there you go, you racist.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is.

[Adam Curry]

I like to hear somebody contradict that.

[John C. Dvorak]

We just. There it is.

[Adam Curry]

Now.

[John C. Dvorak]

They didn't get their props. That's for sure. That's for sure. No. What do you say?

[Adam Curry]

Well, they've also sidelined George Washington Carver.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, for sure they've sidelined him. Well, that's what you get, so. Okay, well you don't have to be so mad about it. We can correct the record. We just did it. And this I will remember.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you should.

[John C. Dvorak]

When your kid is going all wacky from doom scrolling, blame that guy.

[Adam Curry]

What guy?

[John C. Dvorak]

The guy who invented cell phone.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, that black guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

When a plane crashes, blame the black guy. He invented it. His patent was no good. Oh brother, that. That made you quiet, didn't it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it was an interesting little episode. It was. Was interesting how that our robot knew all that because it's been obviously put into the corpus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, well, the corpus is vast. Her corpus is really vast.

[Adam Curry]

Have you seen her corpus?

[John C. Dvorak]

She got a. Her corpus is ginormous. All right, so that was a dud. Since your black woman inventor turned out to be right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she was on the money. Okay, well, I have nothing but respect for her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, Yes, I feel figured.

[Adam Curry]

Let's see what else we got here. This is a. I got a. Just asides. These are joke. Joke clips. Trump. Now this is Trump berating John Carl. Jonathan Carl, the former head of the press association. The White House press corps.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the White House press corps. Yes. He's berating him, huh?

[Adam Curry]

He's giving him hell. Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Each question because you've said that you.

[Adam Curry]

Restored free speech in America.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that free speech?

[Adam Curry]

Including for people who are harshly critical of you, for your political opponents, for people who say things you don't like. I become immune to it. There's never been a person that said more unfair publicity than me. And that's why your network made me $15 million or $16 million, I believe, to be exact, George Slopadopoulos. And that's why CBS paid me a lot of money, too. And that's why I sued the New York Times two days ago for a lot of money. Because I. Well, I'm winning. I mean, I'm winning the cases. And the reason I'm winning is because you're guilty, John. You're guilty. ABC is a terrible network, a very unfair network, and you should be ashamed of yourself. NBC is equally bad. I don't know who's worse. I think they're equally bad. And you know, for you to stand there and act so innocent and ask me a question like that. But look, you paid a big price because you were dishonest, John. The reason I won that lawsuit is because you were dishonest. You were proven to be dishonest. And so you can't sit back and just say, oh, well, what do you think? You know, like you're some wonderful person. You're not a wonderful person, frankly. You're a terrible reporter. You know it. And so do I. Okay. God.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think anybody cares besides you and I that he did that. But that is kind of funny.

[Adam Curry]

It is funny. And I think, I think at some point, I think some of these reporters are trying to get him because this is like a souvenir.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes. You want to have a Trump railing at you. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And have it on tape.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So you can show your kids.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This is how good I was. Even the President hated me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I was good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was good.

[Adam Curry]

So another off ball, oddball off ball clip is this. I want to play these. Just two of these clips that are kind of related. This is about the UK, you know, and these crazy laws. And arrested. Arrested 12,000 people for social media posts. And I've talked about this for a while, but this clip here, this is the UK laws shorty clip. I now have a criminal record because.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wrote in the Critic magazine that my stalker was a man.

[Adam Curry]

Because he is a man. He is a man. Yes. But the police said that misgendering him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was contrary to the Online Safety act because it was.

[Adam Curry]

It was spreading false information and had.

[John C. Dvorak]

Caused Lindsay Watson serious, non trivial, psychological. Now this does bring me to a note that we received that that is very critical of you. So this is not coming from me.

[Adam Curry]

Didn't you read this note before?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, I don't think we read this on the show. No, this is. This is new. This is. This is the third time this guy has sent this note.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is this one guy? Yeah, he's a. He's a stooge for Starmer.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says maybe you guys should change the name of the show to no. Correction. That stupid cut clip John played with the UK judge out of contact text.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that clip. That clip is. Yeah, that clip. Yeah, I understand that clip was.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you didn't correct it.

[Adam Curry]

What am I supposed to say?

[John C. Dvorak]

You're supposed to say you were wrong. And what's worse now is I heard Rogan play the clip and portray it as true. This is my third email on the subject. That's what happens when you play crap without checking and don't correct the record. So you need to correct the record. Could you just correct the record?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, that clip was dubious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Also. Yeah, it's been floating. But that clip's been floating around in different contexts.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, but here.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm sorry. I played it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, but wait. But wait. He has some complaints about both of us.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. You would have Barry Weiss money if you allowed discovery through clips by moving forward 100 years and embracing video, which you won't do. At least consider a one off, no agenda. Live with an audience and a five man camera crew.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, God.

[John C. Dvorak]

And here it comes. Which I'm offering to produce. Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't share stupid audio clips on social media in 2025. It has to be video to work. But you possums won't get with the times. One of you has his phone in a drawer and the other one doesn't like the camera picking up ticks. I'm very disappointed in you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's accurate. He's not inaccurate.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, this is true.

[Adam Curry]

But I have a phone in a drawer. And you're concerned about your one tick.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I got several.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you got one that's noticeable, but beyond that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beyond that. This is the beauty of the no Agenda Show. We don't want you to be sharing little clips. We want people to listen to the show. Preferably not on some high speed, which will scramble your brains like eggs. And just. And the people who listen to the show listen to the show, listen to it in context, hear everything that we have to say. And it's like A club. We don't need to be like T.C. owens. That's my new name for it. T.C. owens. True crime Owens. Candace True Crime Owens. Oh, the latest. Tina told me this morning. The latest, the latest. Yeah. There was a Egyptian fighter plane that turned off its transponder and left right after Charlie was shot. Hey, now it's the Egyptians. Now it's the Egyptians.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the Egyptians in their fighter planes.

[John C. Dvorak]

They turned off their transponder.

[Adam Curry]

And of course we have no such thing as radar.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got receipts, John. We got receipts. Do you have receipts? Do you bring your receipts?

[Adam Curry]

So back to my two clips here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Uk that was about the UK and so, you know, it's easy to point the finger and at the uk But I'm now going to play a clip which is very, seems similar to me, but it's from Washington state and it was a lawyer with a little girl who was, looks like she was like 14 or 15, cute little redhead who's on a softball team or something. And the clip goes like this. We realized there was a boy on the team. And let me just say this person is 18 years old. So he's a grown man at this point that was playing on a JV basketball game with 14 and 15 year olds. So I went up and I talked to the athletic director and I said, can you tell me if that's a boy on the team? And he said, I'm not going to say we do not discriminate based on sexual identity. And I said, well, the president, President Trump just yesterday signed an executive order saying there's no boys or men in women's or girls sports. And he said, we do not have to follow that. We follow Washington state law and wiaa. So once that happened and I realized that Francis was sitting out, it wasn't until towards the end of the game when shethere was a lot that went on between the time that we realized there was this boy on the team. And when she was leaving, she was so mad. She feels like she had been exposed and it was just a terrible situation. She walked by and said that you're a man. She was so frustrated in the situation and that is why she has been now charged with bullying, harassment, harassment and intimidation for misgendering this person.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. But who was she charged by? Not by the cops, but charged by, by the school.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know who she's charged by. Somebody. She had a lawyer she had to deal with. Probably the cops.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

This is Washington state. Which brings me to a letter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

From A woman, one of our producers in Durango, Colorado. Ryan is seven Taylors, five. They put them in public school in September. Now, last year, Ryan's teacher used to call them and tell them what a great kid he was, polite and so good with others. Three weeks into the new school year, now second grade, the teacher is calling because he's getting into trouble. Oh, J.D. what?

[John C. Dvorak]

I said, oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, J.D. called me and we put it on a speaker and the three of us talked. Seemed like there was a bad kid following Ryan and getting him into trouble. Ryan told JD dad, I want you to write a note about. Put in my lunchbox saying I love you and be a good boy today. This is what my friends Larry's mother's. Larry's mother does. JD Replied, you know, that's what my mom did. And they used to hate it. Said it embarrassed them. Well, there was a boy coming to school wearing a tutu and the teacher was doing the pronoun thing. JD And Ashley talked with the kids about everyone is different and it's okay, kid with a tutu. Then JD Found out two kids were transitioning. Seven years old, and in the second grade, that was it. He met with the principal of the Catholic school and they had a long talk. The school liked JD And Ashley so much, they both took the kids right away. The school goes up to eighth grade. Well, the first week has been amazing. It told the kids are like night and day. Talked to Ryan after his first day and they were learning how to read clock, A real clock in second grade. And they wear uniforms.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm all for the uniforms. I always like the uniforms. I can't help myself. I like the uniforms. Okay, well, while we're doing that about clock, we got Mitch checking in who works in the financial services field. This company is a very old school pen and paper company, coat and tie operation.

[Adam Curry]

This is a good letter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some of the reps are fresh out of college and did not know how to send a letter.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, our manager, I put it on my. I'm putting together a long list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our manager had to explain where to write the address information. We now have a sample letter on the whiteboard at all times. But I'm not complaining about Gen Z. What are they teaching these kids in school?

[Adam Curry]

No, it's the school's fault. It's not Gen Z's fault.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not.

[Adam Curry]

And they're talking. I sent a return, went back and forth with this guy. And these are not kids out of high school. These are college grads with certificates of Expertise.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

On top of it. So they're like beyond. They're like post grad, basically, and it's like graduate schools from college. And they can't, they don't know where to put the return address. They don't know where to write the name, the address. Where's. Where's the stamp go? I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the stamp?

[Adam Curry]

What's the stamp? Yeah, this is the schools. They, this should like they said they teaching the kids clock. Clock in second grade. Yeah, that's when is. You're supposed to do it. You don't do it in college.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll tell you, all the kids at the meetup, they knew how to read clock. You better believe it. Got the cutest note. Hold on, let me see. Two daughters. We had a lot of Navy vets who were there with their Navy vests.

[Adam Curry]

In the middle of Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they came from, from, from lots of different places. There was a whole bunch of them. And one is from Abigail Miller, age 10. Thank you, Mr. Adam. And thank you, Mrs. Tina. And then Maddie, her sister, said, thank you for your cause. I like that. Thank you for your cause. He gave us a little note, John, and asked us what our favorite color was. I guess we both like blue a lot. And we both like dogs. So they're going to send us drawings of Blue Dog. So you can look forward to that in the P.O. box. That's the kind of kids no agenda people raise.

[Adam Curry]

I like Blue Dog Democrats.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the Tylenol thing continues and with another fun causation or correlation or whatever you want to call it, because now, now Tylenol in combination with circumcision. Circumcision is, oh, yeah, I hear. Causing autism.

[Adam Curry]

This is a little bit much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Any other confirmation studies? One of there's two studies that show.

[Adam Curry]

Children who are circumcised early have double.

[John C. Dvorak]

The rate of autism and it's highly likely because they're given Tylenol. So, you know, none of this is.

[Adam Curry]

Positive, but all of it is stuff that we should be paying attention to. But you know, there's a tremendous amount of, of proof or evidence, I would say as a non doctor, but I've studied it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, first of all, President Trump, stop with the I'm a non doctor stuff. Just don't do it at all. But he is signaling vaccine throughout this whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

It's a long time ago. You know, I met Bobby in my office 20 years ago. We were talking about the same thing 20 years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

And I was A real estate developer. It bothered me that it seemed to be getting worse, but it's so bad now when you hear these numbers, it's not even really sustainable. I don't know how people do it, but there is some very strong evidence on Tylenol. In fact, at one point, I guess the company gave a warning. They gave.

[John C. Dvorak]

They still don't recommend it during pregnancy.

[Adam Curry]

That's the way they're not recommending it, and that's the company itself. So just don't take it. Don't take. Take it. If you're a woman, don't take it and don't give it to the baby when the baby's born. And I think that's going to have an impact. But I'd also get the shots in smaller doses. Oh, yeah, there are a few things we gave, a few things that just seem to be. And I think you'd get that number way back up. Think of it, you have one in 20,000, and now it's just. It's not. It's not even believable when you. When you. I think that 20,000 drops to 12. 12, 12 children. So that's. That's induced by something that's given or taken, and it should be able to be stopped.

[John C. Dvorak]

One out of 47 presidents recommends not taking Tylenol. Certainly not if you're circumcised. The jokes almost write themselves. However. However, I will say that the pharma ads are starting to add more of their side effects. Have you noticed this lately?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's some real gems out there. Some. Some of the ads have got. I mean, I haven't clipped them yet, but they're getting funnier.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have one now. They do sneak in there. These are not all the side effects. I'm like, wow. These are not all the side effects.

[Adam Curry]

Have you seen that little clip that's going around of all the Pfizer side effects for the COVID vaccine released?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I haven't seen that.

[Adam Curry]

It's a video of page after page hundreds, if not thousands of side effects.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Well, here's a. Here's a drug. By the time you get to the end of the disclaimer, you forget what the drug was for.

[Adam Curry]

Discover an injectable immunotherapy. Opdivo Cuvantic for certain previously treated adults whose kidney cancer has spread. Unlike an infusion that takes 30 minutes, Opdiva Cuvantic lets you receive treatment quickly in as little as three minutes. Opdivo Cuvantic is an immunotherapy that works with Your immune system to help fight cancer.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's 15 seconds of AD. And now the disclaimers.

[Adam Curry]

Diva Cuban can cause your immune system to harm healthy parts of your body during and after treatment. These problems can be severe and lead to death.

[John C. Dvorak]

See your doctor right away if you have a cough, chest pain, shortness of.

[Adam Curry]

Breath, irregular heartbeat, diarrhea, constipation, severe stomach pain, severe nausea or vomiting, dizziness, fainting, eye problems, extreme tired, tiredness, changes in appetite, thirst or urine rash, itching, confusion, memory problems, muscle pain or weakness, joint pain or fever. Report severe or persistent muscle or joint pain. Tell your doctor if you have myasthenia gravis or Guillain Barre syndrome. Immune system problems include Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, or lupus. These are not all the possible side effects. Tell your doctor about all medical conditions, including immune or nervous system problems. If you had or plan to have an organ or stem cell transplant or receive chest radiation, uptica cuvanta can harm your unborn baby.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yay. 45 seconds of disclaimer. And they still. You still gotta call your doctor for the rest. It's unbelievable. I mean, you gotta be pretty desperate to take that. And it's an immunotherapy. So what is it? Is it. Is it more. I don't know how MRNA stuff?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it'd be. Who knows what I mean? Which is bruise that they just sell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And you know, with Trump going around and calling antifa a terrorist group, it's kind of interesting because have you seen this super clip that.

[Adam Curry]

I have a copy of it right here.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a copy of it here, too.

[Adam Curry]

Check the times on the 2.

[John C. Dvorak]

117. I'll bet you yours is exactly the same. Let me see.

[Adam Curry]

There's only one going around.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep. 117. So we'll play it. So. But these are all from five years ago. None of this is from. None of this is current. These are people who are. Some of them not even on the air anymore, but. Ok. There's no antifa. This isn't. Except for Jimmy Kimmel. He's barely. He's clicking on by his fingernails. There's no antifa. This is an entirely imaginary organization.

[Adam Curry]

There is no antifa. Stop, stop, stop that. That clip is not from five years ago. That's from a couple days ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really? Well, he's the only one then.

[Adam Curry]

A couple of these were pretty new.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

It was mix, mix, mix and match.

[John C. Dvorak]

Felt old to me. Felt old to me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. But no, that was pretty new that he Did a little bit on it. Oh, okay. And that was part of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no Antifa. This is an entirely imaginary organization. There is not an Antifa. Like I don't even know what Antifa is.

[Adam Curry]

There is no group. It's not even like far right groups.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

[Adam Curry]

Compared to right wing extremists.

[John C. Dvorak]

Antifa linked violence is rare and limited. It isn't an organization. It is a. Is in many ways mythology.

[Adam Curry]

It's not like the Proud Boys or the Oath Keepers, you know, sort of defined terrorist organizations with leadership that led.

[John C. Dvorak]

That, you know, leads violence.

[Adam Curry]

It's not a highly organized movement. It's a moniker. It's. It's. It's. It's not a unified group like the Proud Boys are. Things like Antifa are things that are thought up. It's all of this guise of going after Antifa. We. Which is nothing. There's no organization called Antifa.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody's a member of Antifa because it doesn't exist.

[Adam Curry]

They are just declaring into existence something that doesn't exist. There is no antifa organization. So maybe that's good for social media, but it really has is non existent.

[John C. Dvorak]

They exist on the Internet, in chat rooms and in 4chan and Discord, in places like that where they run discussion boards, trade tactics, documents, things like that. But none of them are called Antifa. I think we should ask the Machine. What do you think? Should we ask the Machine if there is an actual group called Antifa?

[Adam Curry]

The Machine should reflect a pretty much similar opinion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's see what the Machine says. Is there an actual group named Antifa? Okay, doing real well so far. Let's try it again. Is there an actual group named Antifa? No, there's no official centralized group called Antifa. It's more of a loose movement, short for Antifascist.

[Adam Curry]

Made up of individuals and small activist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Networks opposing far right extremists.

[Adam Curry]

No formal membership, no hq. Just people showing up when they see fit. Kind of chaotic, but that's by design.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's by design.

[Adam Curry]

By. By whose design?

[John C. Dvorak]

Ask her again. By. By whose design?

[Adam Curry]

By theirs. Honestly. Antifa's not run by some shadowy overlord. It's decentralized on purpose.

[John C. Dvorak]

Purpose?

[Adam Curry]

Started from anarchists and socialist roots in the 1930s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Europe fighting Nazis back then, folks kept.

[Adam Curry]

The vibe alive because they distrust big structures. Easier to dodge crack towns that way. Think crowdsourcing, resistance, not a club with dues.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there you go. I mean, we might as well pack this show in.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everything we thought is Wrong.

[Adam Curry]

Apparently.

[John C. Dvorak]

Black guys inventing telephones.

[Adam Curry]

Black guys invent the airplane and the cell phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

What are we going to do? Do? We're no good. Hey, with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in. No, correction. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C. Devor. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Good morning, Gr. The water and all the names of knights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Trolls. Let me count going on here. 1956. 1956.

[Adam Curry]

It's a holiday number. Sounds about right.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not too bad. 1956. These trolls, they're hanging out on their holiday weekend. Everyone has the Monday off. We're presuming, and you're getting ready for your barbecue or hanging out with the family, which is nice. And we're here in our non camera filled studios, bringing you the best media deconstruction there is in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

Five camera shoot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Five camera. Live. Live. Five cameras. Could we charge tickets for that? This is. Everyone's doing tours now. Even Pivot's doing a tour. They're selling out. Pivot.

[Adam Curry]

Let's Pivot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pivot.

[Adam Curry]

Scott and that lousy podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scott and Kara. Yeah, they're. They're doing a tour. They got five venues sold out. I think they have the Super D Dome.

[Adam Curry]

Can you imagine?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

How would anyone go to that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, something about people who have been hearing their favorite podcast people. Which has nothing to do with video, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

At all.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. And. And they want to see it on stage. Like that seems. I'm with you. It seems like the most uninteresting thing ever. But maybe if we had like, you know, jugglers and dwarfs while we're doing it.

[Adam Curry]

Dwarfs?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry. Little people. I'm sure we have some little people in the no Agenda production audience who.

[Adam Curry]

We'D love to work for. Sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I'm sure we can have a good time.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I think that our version of this. Which is meetups. Yes. Which don't include us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, mostly. Mostly.

[Adam Curry]

Mostly they include us. A couple times a year. A few times a year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Once in a while. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Is a better idea because it brings. There's no community involved with these, These, These audience things. I mean, you know, unless you had, you know, you're. Unless you had your, like your Pastor Jimmy come out and tell people to meet each other and that's not gonna happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Pastor Jimmy would be happy to do the show with us, I'm sure, if we asked him.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure he would.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure he'd be happy to do it. So. Yeah, I, I just, I, you know, it seems like a lot of work. Work and for what? Yeah, and then people can't get to it and I don't know, maybe if we did it in the sphere. How about that?

[Adam Curry]

Now you're talking.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the sphere.

[Adam Curry]

We should do the national. Everyone wants to. That's gonna. You know how we did the third show threat for I don't know how many years. We rode that to the. You know, we rode that until died. The horse died.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I think we can write this. We're gonna do a national meetup up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. In the sphere.

[Adam Curry]

In the sphere. In Vegas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. We need to get a price on that thing. What does that cost?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, somebody's. We got to do some research. Maybe we can get a. There should be. What is it called when you have the cheap price, when you have excess inventory?

[John C. Dvorak]

Remnants. Remnants.

[Adam Curry]

Remnant pricing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remnant pricing.

[Adam Curry]

We want remnant pricing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And. And then, you know, and let that guy with his big mouth come in and do the video because, you know, you got.

[Adam Curry]

You got a big talker with his five camera shoot. Yeah, we can do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spectac video effects projected in the sphere. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that'd be great. To hold our two heads. Our heads on the sphere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Big giant heads on sticks.

[Adam Curry]

On sticks.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure people could do a lot of cool AI stuff for us in the sphere. All right, all right. Well, so before the four years are up, if we can get the pricing and we can get the remnant inventory and we can get it all together, I'm sure we'd be happy to come to do a special live show in the sphere. And we'll be in a bubble.

[Adam Curry]

It's our goal. Goal.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a goal. We'll be in the bubble, our podcast bubble, you know, because I got to have my gear with me. Got to have the stuff with me. You know, we gotta have our clips, everything. And then we. And we could bring.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and Patrick, I bring a couple of machine, a couple of these little devices.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then we should just bring people out like. And here's the trap babies. And the babies come out. And then here's Sir Patrick Coble and here's Dirty Jersey Whore. And we just bring them all out and then they all take them out.

[Adam Curry]

It's like, what's the name of that comedy show where the guy does. I can't remember the name of it, but there's some comedian and brings all these different comics.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, kill Tony. Kill Tony.

[Adam Curry]

Kill Tony. Do we do a Kill Tony like environment? So we bring these people out and insult each other. That'd be great. All right, well, how about mud? Mud wrestling will be part of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

With midgets. Mud wrestling midgets. Wonderful.

[Adam Curry]

We're getting there in the studio. We're getting the venue figured out. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we're working on it. And we'll do an award show while we're at it. Anyway, these trolls are listening, and they're [e-mail] wonderful, wonderful experiment we started, thanks to Void Zero oh, man, 15, 16 years ago with the Troll Room, where people sit around and troll and it just scrolls, scroll, and troll and it's all always been fun. We have a feeling that we have a live audience. It just feels good. I like it. I personally really enjoy having it. So you don't watch it during the show, but I'm always watching what people have to say and sometimes it's good one liners and usually some good information. Nobody seemed to know about the cell phone or the airplane. We had to go to Grok for that one to get error to tell us what was up with that. Of course, many of them are using these modern podcast apps. You probably heard of them. They deliver your podcast even when the no. Agendashow.net website does not. Which, believe it or not, was another part of the upgrade. Did you. Did you get any emails? You must have gotten emails about it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. People moaning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Like it's not. It's amazing how many people listen to the show on the website. I'm always surprised by that. But the people at the modern podcast app, like, I got it on my app. How come it's not on the website? What. What are you. Are you a pig? Are you oinking?

[Adam Curry]

I'm just moving. I'm moving gear around.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so podcastapps.com get a modern podcast app. The biggest benefit to no Agenda producers is when we go live, the bat signal goes up, you hear about it, you know the show's live. You tap in right away in your podcast app. That's what's so cool about it. You get the live stream and of course, when we release, within 90 seconds. Seconds, you will be notified that the podcast is available even if it takes longer to get everywhere else, certainly on the legacy apps. Now in our value for value model, we'll be celebrating 20, 18 years of the show on October 26th, which is. Man, that's. That's a. 18 years. Somehow it feels like a milestone. Is that because 18 you're legal to drive? No. Illegal drive. What do you. What is 18 these days?

[Adam Curry]

Days. Drinking.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought drinking. Voting, Voting, voting, voting. There you go. There you go. Voting. I thought, yeah, 18. Okay. So the value for value model works by people doing lots of things for the show, being our boots on the ground, being our producers, telling us what you know. You. You see the things. You, you're an expert in the field. You're a SME. SME, as in subject matter experiments expert. Then you need to let us know when we're wrong or what we got right or even if we haven't discussed it, something, we need to discuss it. This is very important work for the no Agenda Nation.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it reminds me of a clip I didn't get.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which one?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it was about. I teased it in the newsletter and I didn't follow up about the South Korean. The whole system goes down in South Korea. They lost a bunch of data people with their digital id. Now they don't have a home and they can't get their money or anything. They don't have a home.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

It's like, you know, you can't, you can't. You're locked out, you can't get the key, won't work on the phone, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can'T get into your home.

[Adam Curry]

Nothing works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, actually brings me to a bonus clip. Hold on a second. It's kind of related. This is the latest from Amazon.

[Adam Curry]

Amazon is adding facial recognition technology to its new Ring cameras and doorbells. The global technology company calls the new feature Familiar Faces. They say it will recognize familiar people such as family, friends, or neighbors. Homeowners can then tag them in the ring app, so the next time they can be identified by name rather than generic person at the front door. But privacy experts are a little concerned because people are being recorded without their consent. According to Ring, the new facial recognition feature won't be available in Illinois, Texas, and Portland, Oregon, due to laws restricting it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with this tagging people? I mean, this is so that now the, the, the officials will know when you're walking past someone's house. Oh, that's, that's, that's Bob. Okay, Bob.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, exactly. That way you can keep tabs on you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't. And could you. I mean, can you also set it up so if a familiar face shows up who you don't want to talk to, that. It just doesn't ring? Or it says, oh, that guy's here. That would, that's kind of, that's kind of a handy Feature keeping people out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Part of the work people do to support the show and our value for value model is create artwork on relatively cheap AI machines. And we go in after the show to Noah artgenerator.com and we grab one of them and we make it our album art. And once again, it's cartoon toony. But it was kind of funny and the concept was good. The prompting was easy. And Jeffrey Ria brought the artwork for episode 1806 titled Gray Zone. And it was the. It was a no agenda Hamburglar. It was like a. Like a puzzle. You had to figure out what. What is going on with the. With the crook with the prison outfit on a ham radio with a ham. Did you see that? Someone animated it?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. On Twitter.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's an AI product that will animate anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And it even had the VU meter animating. The RF meter was animated. Oh, it was quite amazing. That stuff. I mean, that's where your trillions of dollars are going. It's good stuff. Well worth it. Of course, we also like to thank people who Support us financially. $50 and above are always mentioned, not under 50 for reasons of anonymity. And we have a special spot for people who are able to Support us with $200 or more for an episode. We'll mention you in this segment and we will read your note. Along with that, we'll give you an official Hollywood title of Associate Executive Producer, which is a real credit. You can use that anywhere. Hollywood credits are recognized, including IMDb.com or $300 or more. And you'll become an executive producer. And we will also recognize your note. And we got a number of on the spot donations yesterday at the no Agenda meetup here in Fredericksburg. Several Insta nights. So this, this was a. A very, very generous crowd. And it started off with. This was funny. Sir Tim. He will be Sir Tim. He. He is now an instant. He gave us a thousand dollars in silver. He gave us 21 pieces of silver and in a nice handsome leather pouch. So it felt just like Judas, you know. Oh, it's. Oh, at least you put in 21, not 20. And he will be insanited today. Donation night. I was hit in the mouth in 2010 by Sir Kevin Webb and have been a listener ever since. I hit my wife in the mouth and we damned her first. And now it's my turn. Please knight me Sir Tim of the Domestead. They actually live in a dome home which they built themselves, which is pretty cool. You ever seen these, these geodesic Dome.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. There's a. There's a fact. There's a. I think there's some town around. I saw a special on it that they specialize in. In displaying these domes.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's cool.

[Adam Curry]

There's a lot of new dome technology.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. He was taught he had a lot to say about the dome.

[Adam Curry]

Those guys are into this. Are into all the technology of the new. New kind of domes that people live, and they look dumb.

[John C. Dvorak]

So please knight me. Sir Tim of the dome said it. Well, he built a. Like a structure around it, so the dome is the home. And then around it, they put. Like, they built. You know, it looks like a regular house. So it's just. It's really like a. Like a.

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute. So there's a house outside, and you go in the house, there's a dome you go into, and that's the house.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly. Which he says is fireproof, windproof, and bulletproof.

[Adam Curry]

See, I would think it'd be the other way around. You have this giant dome, and then you go into the dome, and there'd be a nice, cute little house inside.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, in fact, because it's just. It looks kind of like a house on the outside, except for the roof. It has two mounds. It looks like a. Like a bra. Like two boobs on top of your home. It's kind of an odd structure. If we're still able to do the secretary General thing, I'd like to be titled Secretary General of the digital Domstead. Yes, you can. Keeping the note short. The rest can be said at the meetup. Sir Tim. Then we got. Oh, yes. So that was the silver donation. Then we got 910,000 Satoshis sent to my wallet, which I will send onto our wallet in bitcoin from Aaron and Aaron and Aaron Estil. I think it is Esteel. I cannot read his handwriting. So that's $1,000. Abilene, Texas. Texas Navy, retired. Oh, yeah. He was one of the top guys in the navy. And they. They wanted to force the COVID shot on him, and he said, nope. And he left the Navy. He left over the COVID shot. He says, thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, can he get back in and get the back pay that they promised?

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I'm not sure I should have asked him that, but there was, like, a million kids running around. Then we go to Duke of the Pacific Trash Vortex. $500. He says. Jim Comey says, hi. Nice little card he has here. Just kidding. This donation is from Rogue. R H O A G. I will send a more legible Note to the correct email. So that's $500. Thank you very much. $500 from Marco D. Magnanimous. And he's the Baron Boomer. $500 for Secretary General of all things. Good, good. And he wanted a jobs, karma and a shut up slave. So I got. He wanted the Italian shut up slave. So we got that here for him.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up slave. And here's your jobs, car, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs, karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then, then $1,000.33 from Sir Nick, Mr. Curry, Mr. Dvorak. My brother hit me in the mouth maybe a dozen times before my chin gave out. He kept telling me I'd love the show and mentioned the fixation of the 33 to appeal to a past part of me that had some deep persistent metaphysical run ins with the number. One day at work. I don't know what that is. One day at work. What?

[Adam Curry]

He's got run ins with the number. The number's tracking him around. Something's up, he knows it.

[John C. Dvorak]

One day at work I decided to tune in and it happened to be show 1533 having being born at 1533pm that was 3:33 in the afternoon. I was intrigued by the circumstance. I haven't missed the show since and happened to have planned a family vacation coinciding with the Fredericksburg meetup scheduled at 3:33pm Please accept me as an instant tonight. Please accept my gratitude. Make good episode 1595 was a wedding gift to my brother. Please make Paul Mazzoni the associate executive producer. Not me, New Jersey Mazzone. I've been the douche all this time, not him. Okay, so I'll put that this will be switcheroo. Yes, it is a switcheroo. And he will be Sir Nick the knight of Knoxville's 33rd degree. And a de douching is in order.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then I only have three more. And this would be an associate executive producer from Ben and Heather Wright from San Antonio. 222 22. Dear Adam and John, My wife and I were hitting the mouth a little over two years ago and we listened to our first no agenda episode 1660, the Doom Goblin, in which you and John talked about the media attack on raw milk. We immediately sought out our local local herd share Simon, the contract shook our farmers hands and fell in love with our raw milk dealer. Shout out to Triple Oaks Farm in Virginia after hearing you reveal how the news coverage is silly nudging and downright brainwashing. There was no Going back. I've been listening ever since and love how small my amygdala is becoming. Hence the time has come for my wife and I to donate. Hereby request a deduce.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Enclose A donation of 222.22 because my wife and I are pregnant with twins. Could we get a double, double up Baby making karma. I didn't actually get the baby making karma baby, by the way. I was telling all these, these expectant parents that they have to name their kids after us. And they all promise, they all promise to do it. They all said, oh yeah, oh yeah, sure, we'll do it. Double up. Baby making car for all people out there wanting their own human resources. And if you add the segment you have of John complaining about the guy eating peanuts on airplane, I'll talk to my keeper about naming our twins Adam and John. Just a potential exit strategy for y' all 20 years from now, if you play your cards right. Well, we'll give you the baby karma. How about that? Sounds like the right thing to do.

[Adam Curry]

You've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma. Also there were she Chauvin, the sir cambrake commodore of the gitmo navy and dame Tracy of the Roman right Commodore of gitmo nation. Royalty, brother royalty. $100 and gave me $5 they'd received from a Jewish establishment here in Fredericksburg and coined it Jew money. So thank you for that.

[Adam Curry]

Jew money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jew money. Thank you to you and John for sharing your collective knowledge and wisdom with the gitmo nation. We look forward to the bi weekly no agenda shows to keep us sane. We especially respect and appreciate the guide God centered perspective in your life. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I have a request. They asked for two baby making karmas and just in case you should give them the second one, you've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma.

[Adam Curry]

That's about how long it'll take for the second one to come out.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then Khan Nguyen and I think is what wife not on here. They always show up. They come in from Austin. I believe in $100. And thank you so much. Thank you to everybody who was at the meetup. Thank you to Gail and Matt Long who organized it and of course everybody at J6 or Jenny's 1776 Bar. It was a great time. Really one of the best we've had. Now we go to our executive and associate executive producers who sent in through various methods, Sir Chris Cohen from Austin 515 38. He is the ringless baron of north Austin here with his hat trick donation which elevates him to Viscount executive producer and secretary general all in one fell swoop. And he says, hi, Adam. And John with his hat trick donation. It's been three in a row now. I forgot to mention I'll be celebrating my 64th birthday on Tuesday. Perhaps a double up double tap is an order. Not sure what that means. A double up double tap. Does he want to. Does he want to be shot? Is that what he wants?

[Adam Curry]

That's what sounds like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then we have that somewhere. There you go. I'm an OG pre pod show DSC listener who has been with the show all 18 years and was there when Adam first arrived in Austin during the Hot Pockets tour. Wow. Sir Gordon Gordon Walton, the Baron Walton was there as well. He was at that very first meetup. And he's made all of his family no agenda piece peers. I've attended the previous two Fredericksburg meetups, but they will not. Will not be there today. Unfortunately. We'll be celebrating at the round table with tequila and Concinita Pibil or Weiss beers and sauerbraten. Lastly, I want to call out my friend Pork Face, who hit me in the mouth several years ago as a douchebag.

[Adam Curry]

Douchebag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sincerely, Chris Cowan. Thank you, Chris.

[Adam Curry]

Pork Face. Yeah, there you go. Duke of the Pacific trash vortex. Text 500 bucks. This is a third annual Fredericksburg meetup donation. And it's a switcheroo. Please give this executive producer credit to my nine week old granddaughter, Little Miss Daphne, the Darling trademark.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trademark indeed.

[Adam Curry]

And pending my ability to complete her full namehood, please bestow upon her the title of Secretary General of Babyland. Okay, thank you both for the wise deconstruction as well as the laughs. It is, after all, a comedy podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Indeed.

[Adam Curry]

April Apple wouldn't lie. R A H O A rogue. Rogue. Duke of the Pacific Trash vortex. That was 500 bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, we move on to Sir Meister chit chat. Russville, Arkansas.

[Adam Curry]

Saw.

[John C. Dvorak]

350 and 93 cents.

[Adam Curry]

Greetings Russellville.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it Russellville? Greetings and salutations from Mr. Meister Chit Chat of Harmony Homestead. This donation of 333.33 plus fees is a switcheroo and final donation necessary for damehood of my beloved, who this coming Thursday produces our first human resource. I began her path to damehood requesting baby making karma from the no agenda community. And here we are. There it is. Baby karma works. Kid needs to be named after us. With this donation, I may now rest easy as my son shall be of full noble blood of a Sir And a dame. And his name will be Sir Adam John Dvorak Curry chitchat. So she shall be known his. His dame as Lady Agricola Gothicus. And she wants salted caramel latte and a homemade and homemade pop tarts at the round table as the pregnant ladies always have that stuff. We are grateful to have opened this chapter with the help of no agenda. Aren't excited to close it to begin the next one with no agenda as well. Keep up the good work. Thank you for your courage. Here's to four times four more years. Sincerely, Sir Meister Chit chat and a Lady Agricola Gothicus of Harmony Homestead.

[Adam Curry]

Sean Pilik. Sean A. Pilachowski in Portage. Or Portage. Or Portage.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would say Portage.

[Adam Curry]

Oh Yeah, you would. Wisconsin. 22222. Another marking the day as switcheroo day. This is a switcheroo for my wife Wife dame hanging laundry and her damehood. I love you and our walks. And since John and Adam hit you in the mouth many years ago. That's interesting. She hid him in the mouth then, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You now hang laundry much better. Well, maybe not. I don't know how this works, but. Love you too. In my laundry hanging wall.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, she's apparently hanging a lot of laundry.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what?

[Adam Curry]

Help her out? Get her a dryer.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what are the chances? As I'm about to open my gigawatt coffee roasters cold brew. There's eli the coffee guy. 210 12, which he always does. The dates get it? $210 12. Brothers, I need some travel karma. We can do that for you. After a long hard month where I lost my stepfather to complications from surgery and dealing with other additional challenges, we decided to head down to Chattanooga for a little arm R&R and visit some old friends. We made it as far as Louisville before our friends called and told us that kids both had the flu. Trip is canceled. So we are making the most of it and hanging in Louisville for the weekend. That said, the way the trip in the past weeks have gone, let us get. Let us get some karma to make it home safe and sound. That way we can get back to the grind of making great coffee at an affordable price. Visit gigawatt coffeeroasters.com use code I ITM20 for 20% off your order. Stay caffeinated, says Eli, Jen and Ethan. So yeah, we got some karma for you. And I'm gonna add a goat just for the coffee.

[Adam Curry]

You've got karma so good. Now we have sahib of Hogtown. $200.37. And this is in purple which means. Hi fellas. I donated bitcoin just to annoy John but sadly had tech issues doing so and sent Adam Boomerash emails. Apologies.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was funny.

[Adam Curry]

You got boomerish emails.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

His donation is honor my friend Christina whom I punched in the mouth a few months ago. She is in the dystopian hellhole of Buffalo, New York. A single party controlled them stronghold is all cities with a child poverty rate of almost 50%. This is all Democrat run cities. They're all the same. They got one name on the ballot every cycle is just. It's just. By the way, I blame the Republicans for this situation because they don't. They never put anybody up. They don't have good. You know, they don't have a machine. They don't do anything well. They don't have any leadership.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's too bad.

[Adam Curry]

Horrible. It's just how it's just. What is this? It's just fine with the brainwashed masses. Oh, they only have one candidate. Please give her karma and a deduching you've been de douched and give her some pity for being the only non dem in the city. In the city. That's probably not true. By the way. In the city limits, Sir Heb of Hogtown on the brain aneurysm guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that guy.

[Adam Curry]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Linda Lopatkin is here with $200 and she requests jobs Karma and says as she always does, and rightly so, for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results. Go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all of your executive resume and job search needs. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou. She's the duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. And finally we have sir fur from Orlando, Florida. And he sent a check in for 200 and put a note in with it which is written on a piece of paper. And you can tell it's a piece of paper by the sound it makes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

October ITM John and Adam switcheroo. Another switcheroo. Yet another switcheroo through. Please credit this esteemed associate executive producership to Mr. Dana Brunetti. Congrats to him.

[John C. Dvorak]

He still hasn't made executive. He's still just an associate executive producer. Poor Dana Brunetti.

[Adam Curry]

I find myself he's gonna. You can't say that because he has donated executive producer level donations and he's going to write a nasty note in. And then we get Into a back and forth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, fine.

[Adam Curry]

You and Dana. Mostly, yes. I find myself in a Kafkaesque situation. I request that the Peerage Committee consider this appeal to resolve it. Here are the relevant facts. Previously, without evidence, the Peerage Committee declared that I cannot carry the title of Black Baron because no such title exists. However, the committee conceded he can call himself Black Baron if he wants to. Unquote 2. Now he starts with A, then goes to 2. He's like, so this we have an issue with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right away, he's like, biden. There's three things a.

[Adam Curry]

Two. He says, look, I didn't call myself Black Baron. You guys did. I was duly credited and pronounced. Pronounced, pronounced and pronouncated. Pronouncedicated, like you like to say. Black baron of the i4 corridor in episode 1512. I humbly submit that if there's a place for a governor within the Gitmo Nation community, there can also be a place for one true Black Baron. If the committee sees this differently or cheerfully. I don't think so. Cheerfully accept this. Furthermore, denying me the title of Black Baron would actually be a reverse reversal. I'm worried for the show that it might look bad if the committee strips a loyal knight of a duly pronounced title. Right. You wouldn't want people thinking peerage is a scam, would you?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. God forbid.

[Adam Curry]

Can I claim the official title of Black Baron? Yes or no? Answer the question. Thank you for your attention to this matter. No jingles, no karma. Love is list, Sir Fur TBD Baron of the I4 Corps, Orlando. On a side note, Franz Kafka's writing. Blah, blah, blah. Okay, this is going to a committee and will be resolved within the next 30 days.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, then, take this into the committee with you because Baron Scott of the Armory was at the meetup yesterday with his dogs, Bonnie and Clyde and his wife. It was a hootenanny and he said, I'm going to be a Black Viscount. I said, there's no such thing. Thing. He says, yes, there is, because I was a Black Knight. So I'm a Black Baron and I can be a Black Viscount. So take that into your Peerage Committee. This is out of control.

[Adam Curry]

Sigh.

[John C. Dvorak]

This will all be resolved at the Sphere show.

[Adam Curry]

All.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, thank you very much, executive associate, Executive producers. Thank you, Meetup producers. Highly appreciated. Was good to hang out with everybody. I think I spoke to everybody that was there. Thank you to the Keeper for shuttling me around as she usually does. Although a lot of people seem to be there for Tina, which was nice to see. And of course, we'll be Thanking the rest of our supporters. $50 and above and our value for value model go to no Agenda donations dot com. Whatever value you get out of the show, just put it in the numbers and send it to us. We're happy with anything that you feel is the value you receive from the show. You can also set up a recurring donation at any time you, you want. Any amount, any frequency. Noagenda donations dot com. Thank you again to our executive and associate executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up, slave.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of people responded to the license plate lobby. Oh yeah, they thought it was quite disgusting. In fact, Brad sent me a note.

[Adam Curry]

The way business is done in this country, you do it that way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he had another take. Hey, bud. Hey, bud. I heard your short segment on the front license plates and how 3M is behind dashing the attempts of lawmakers to change that literature law. I've heard of big pharma and big banks, but I guess now we need to be on the lookout for big paint. Next thing you know, Candace Owens will be doing a six part series linking Israel to the front license plate issue at the Same time linking 3M to the Charlie Kirk assassination. I've got my popcorn ready. Yep, it's coming.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. Yeah, he's got that right. So I got a series of clips that are all taken from here and there that have to do with the vax.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, as a series here. And they're all different. It's a lot of Kennedy because Kennedy's been slipping stuff. And you pointed this out earlier in the show about how, you know, when Trump said something, there's a. This. They're really trying to get the vax thing, you know, so people take a second look.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And do we need these vaccines? I saw a clip. I didn't. It's not part of this segment, but it's where somebody said that the vax is more dangerous than the disease. Can they have some stats to prove it. But let's listen to these clips because they're kind of interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna start off with the, with the counter, with it, with the prevailing attitude. This is a vax talk girl. And I want to set it up. I believe this to be an ad for cvs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

By an influencer. And she's, she's standing there, she's actually laying down. I want to ask you, do you know, do you notice that there's a lot of tickets? Talkers they're laying in bed or they got their head on a pillow and they're yakking away. I. I don't understand what the appeal of that is. Either that or they're in their car. This car is laying in. In bed. The car. Why? Well, she's in bed.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Car is a natural studio. I mean, I used to do podcasts from the Car all the time. The Car is a great studio for a podcast, for the sound. You know, it's. It's not a great backdrop for. It was great for audio, but it's not great for video. I mean, I agree. It always makes you look like you're in the passenger seat instead of the driver's seat, which is another weird thing.

[Adam Curry]

Well, a lot of times I'm wondering, when they're in the driver's seat, what the heck are they? Hey, watch the road. So she's laying there and she's got. And she's got one arm uncovered and it's got two different colored bandages on. A little green one, a red one or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

She got the flu shot and the COVID shot.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, you want them that way you double. Double up. So. So let's listen to her. And before I get to the main.

[John C. Dvorak]

Three clips, I got my covet and flu vaccines today, and I'm so happy about that. I got them for a few reasons. One, because it's the right thing to do for myself, but also for everybody around me and also a little bit out of spite. There have been years where I've forgotten to get my flu shot, but this year was not going to be one of those years because, again, I trust science and I'm not a idiot. So here we are. I am someone that, like, does kind of get affected. When I first got my coverage shot, I was down bad for a couple days. And even when I get my flu shot, like, I don't typically feel good for a day or two afterwards. And for people that are gonna be like, that means it's bad for you. No, that means it's worse working. That's how that works. And it's well worth it to protect myself, but also everybody around me, especially when I work with vulnerable communities, like, it's my civic duty at this point, so go get your vaccines. CVS made it, like, so easy. Well, a couple things. First of all, the dropping of the F bomb every single time tells me that subconsciously she knows this is wrong.

[Adam Curry]

Wrong. Oh, that's an interesting idea. Secondly, it's like a tell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it is a tell. And it's a very. We've seen a lot of this, certainly recently, a lot of F bomb dropping. Get what that idea.

[Adam Curry]

I just came up with it now for the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm listening to it now for the first time.

[Adam Curry]

And you got the idea right now that dropping the F bombs a tell for lying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, glory to God, John. It just came to me. The Holy Spirit gave me this. Laugh all you want. Laugh all you want. So that's part one. Part two is the. The gross misinformation that somehow you're protecting others with your vaccine is just.

[Adam Curry]

I love that propaganda.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's ludicrous. Now the end part about qvc. Yeah, it's possible, but I would have thought they would have wanted a little more payoff in the. If she's getting paid for the this. So maybe, maybe. And I think, you know, there's a real pro. The gen Zers were all telling me TikTok, it's ruined. They said something has changed in the last few months, which I think is. Is sabotaged by, well, the owners, the current owners. I think that whoever buys this is getting the dog because it's. It's now filled with ads and the Algos are no longer giving people what they want. Want. And it's noticeable. They say it's very noticeable, but they would know.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't noticed it, but they would buy. Get mine filtered too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You don't have the app, but the app is throwing up ads everywhere. It's annoying. It's not. And the main thing is the Algo has changed. And I think if Ellison, whatever this conglomerate is, who's going to buy it? They're buying a dog. And not a good dog. Not as in a fluffy oh, I love you dog, but just a dog of a product. I think that this is a trick. Something is. Something is no good. So maybe it could be. You convinced it's a CVS influencer ad that she needs to disclose that?

[Adam Curry]

I don't think she does. She doesn't know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's.

[Adam Curry]

Most of these influencers are too dumb to know that they have to disclose things. I think she's just. I think it is a CVS ad.

[John C. Dvorak]

How much do you get for that to slip that in? What kind of money?

[Adam Curry]

You know, I wish somebody out there would take. Tell me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's agencies that do this. There's entire agencies that handle influencers. We're influencers. We influence people.

[Adam Curry]

Could be a couple hundred bucks. It could be more, could be less. It's probably a few hundred Well, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mean, I remember the. The right wing influences were getting five grand for talking up soda pop. Remember that?

[Adam Curry]

Five grand?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And they were all.

[Adam Curry]

So that's good money.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were all. Sorry about it. It.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, sure they were. And so is their banker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, their investment banker.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm so sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Their investment banker.

[Adam Curry]

So then I catch this on one of the McCullough podcasts. And this is the flu vax flu shot Cleveland study.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Clearly, these two studies show that not only does the flu vaccination increase your.

[Adam Curry]

Risk of flu by 27%. And that study was by Shrestha and colleagues out of the Cleveland Clinic. Over 40,000 people were in that study.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is a robust study, you know, very credible. And then the other study found 340%.

[Adam Curry]

Increased risks of other viruses when you get the flu shot. And so not only are you getting more flu, you're getting more coronaviruses and more infections, and it's just reduced. Ridiculous.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

I had to cut it off because the music.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he needs to run.

[Adam Curry]

So you have that situation. So then Kennedy comes on different podcasts and he's floating around and the stories are always a little different here and there. And I thought both of these were worth listening to. This is the vax. This is Kennedy on the flu shot saying the same. Basically the same thing. The flu shot's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

In a million years, I would not.

[Adam Curry]

Take the flu shot. And I'll tell you why.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because this is what Cochran and BMJ found.

[Adam Curry]

People who take the flu shot are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Protected against that strain of flu. They're 4.4 times more likely to get.

[Adam Curry]

A non flu infection.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you might find a lot of people do that.

[Adam Curry]

They get the flu shot and then they get sick.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're usually not getting the flu or getting something that is indistinguishable from the.

[Adam Curry]

Flu because the flu shot gives you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something called pathogenic priming. It injures your immune system so that you're more likely to get a non flu viral upper respiratory infection. In fact, the Pentagon published a story and you can cite this.

[Adam Curry]

It's by Wolf, W O L F.

[John C. Dvorak]

E in January of this year in which they said the flu shot not only primes you for flu and it primes you for coronavirus. If you get.

[Adam Curry]

They gave.

[John C. Dvorak]

They had a placebo group and they had a vaccine group because they wanted for military readiness to see if the.

[Adam Curry]

Flu shot was prophylactic against coronavirus.

[John C. Dvorak]

What they found is actually the people.

[Adam Curry]

Who got the flu shot were 36% more likely to get coronavirus. And that's not a lone study.

[John C. Dvorak]

We found six other major studies that say the same thing. If you get the flu shot, you're.

[Adam Curry]

More likely to get coronavirus virus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, I hadn't heard that one. I think we've talked about it several times. Certainly the flu shot. Yeah, but the flu shot. If you get the flu shot, you're more susceptible to coronavirus. That's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I thought that was good. But you're also more susceptible to some just rando stuff. It's a crappy shot. I mean, I haven't gotten one for 20 years and I haven't gotten the flu season since. Except that one time in 2017. But I had Tamiflu and it took it out and I haven't had anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got the swine flu in 20. Was it 20? No, it was much earlier. When was the swine flu?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you had something that was during the show era.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was 2010. I think it was during Mevio, because I remember I didn't have an apartment in San Francisco at the. Was that crappy Marriott down the road.

[Adam Curry]

It wasn't a Marriott. It was something else.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like a Hyatt.

[Adam Curry]

It's a Hyatt, wasn't it?

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a Hyatt. Yeah, the Hyatt Hyatt. And I was out for a couple days.

[Adam Curry]

Isn't that the place? Isn't that that part that you stayed there as it was an apartment dweller. Didn't you have some nearby neighbor who was always hitting on you? Some chick?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that was when I had the condo in San Francisco. Condo is a big word. It was a very small apartment. And it was the Obama bot who was next door. And you were egging me on, like, yeah, go over there, knock on her door.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know me, but it's I supposed to see. And I was like, hey, can I have some action?

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I have some stickers? And Right.

[Adam Curry]

I coached you on how to get. Yes, ask her for stickers.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then I asked. I asked about the. Hey, where's the meetup? How can I join the meetup to get the training? And she was recruiting me, but then she got wary. I think she kind of figured it out. Like, something's going on here. Yeah, those are good times.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that was a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

You were coaching me. She was kind of cute. I remember the neighbor. Yeah, I don't remember her name, but yeah, I did get some stickers. Okay, here's some stickers. Yeah, some Obama stickers. We're going to The. It was a camp Obama camp. That's what it was.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you try to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I need to get trained in the camp.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that had been fantastic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Well, I missed out on the camp.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well. All right. So this is the last clip. So Kennedy gives us the lowdown, and there's this flu stuff. Meanwhile, you listen to all the local media you want to, and they're still going to be pushing the flu shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, here's something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry.

[Adam Curry]

But now we got this is Kennedy on aluminum.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, they're still putting aluminum in the shots?

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, they do it as an. It's the adjuvant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's. It's to jigger your immune system. It's to get y' all well.

[Adam Curry]

Here he explains it, and then he talks about some of the problems you end up with. This is really good.

[John C. Dvorak]

People should know is that.

[Adam Curry]

But aluminum provokes an allergic response, and.

[John C. Dvorak]

That'S why it was valuable. So if you put the aluminum in with the viral antigen, your body now mounts an allergic response to that viral antigen, whether it's polio or hepatitis B.

[Adam Curry]

Or the, you know, HPV or whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what we now know, the science suggests, is that the alumina also creates allergic responses to anything that's in the ambient environment. So if you have a peanut oil excipient in that vaccine and you put aluminum in it, you could have a.

[Adam Curry]

Lifetime allergy to peanuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

If there is a timothy weed outbreak, the week that you get that aluminum vaccine, you now may have a lifetime.

[Adam Curry]

Allergy to timothy weed.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's why probably there's two studies by Mawson and Cowlings, which children who are vaccinated with aluminum vaccines have 30 times the rate of allergic rhinitis as kids who don't. And all of these food allergy epidemics date to the time that we started giving these kids this aluminum end because my kids have these allergies. I'm one of the founders of the Food allergy initiative in the Food Allergy.

[Adam Curry]

Network, which is the biggest food allergy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Research group and what you know. So that group has scientists from all over the world who are giving food allergies to rats and then figuring out how to treat them. How do they give the allergy to the rat? They take the aluminum adjuvant from the hepatitis B vaccine, add a latex molecule, and that now is a permanent latex allergy.

[Adam Curry]

You add a peanut molecule and has.

[John C. Dvorak]

A permanent peanut allergy. You add a dairy molecule, now has a permanent dairy allergy. You wonder why all of this whole generation of children is allergic to stuff. It's because we've been inducing allergies by pumping them full of allergies. Aluminum. Oh, man. Oh, man. Makes sense.

[Adam Curry]

And what. And the question, the bigger question is, why would you give the hepatitis vaccine to a kid, a baby, anyway, in the first place?

[John C. Dvorak]

For the money.

[Adam Curry]

It has to be to give them these allergies. They're doing it on purpose. I have to say, at this point.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, as I'm listening to that, it reminds me of they do a training for dogs here in Texas, which we did not put our dog through, and it's to train them to stay away from rattlesnakes. So they put a high voltage shock collar on your dog, which is the reason I didn't do it. And then they bring out a rattlesnake. They show the rattlesnake and they shock the dogs. So the dog. Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

That would do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it does, it does. One of our friend's dogs just bit in the face the other day by a rattlesnake. Rattlesnake. And. And it cost a thousand dollars for the antivenom, which seems like a ripoff to me.

[Adam Curry]

That does seem like a ripoff.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, how hard can it be? But, man, what a scandal that would be if. If they were knowingly giving kids allergies. You got to wonder about Mimi's allergy. Did she get a shot at some point when she had an allergic rehab?

[Adam Curry]

Can't track it. Danny, anything that's so odd.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll say that most of these trap babies and the young couples, they said, well, I haven't given our kids any vaccines. Nothing. Look at them. They're fine. Go eat some dirt. Yeah, yeah, they're fine. It's amazing. Makes you wonder. Home school.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no vats that Kennedy keeps bringing up. And you can see every time you get one of these obscure. These clips are all over the. Because he goes on these different podcasts and he did. One of them was from the valuetainment network. And he goes on these different podcasts and he drops these little bombs all over the place. I can see why. The pharma big pharma big boys, the big drug big whatever. They must hate him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, for sure. I remember back in the day, the early days of the show. I would always say, isn't it amazing how they always come out with all these drugs for. For allergies and flu and everything? You know, just about two weeks before it hits everybody. I always thought they were Putting this stuff in the air, but now they're just putting it in the shots. Just giving it to you. Okay, give me some. We're going to be branded anti vaxxers for sure.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, we might as well be branded anti vaxxers the way things are going. Who cares?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, true.

[Adam Curry]

I got a shot. I've gotten shots. I've gotten vaxxed here and there. I was a. I was a polio pioneer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you got lucky.

[Adam Curry]

I know I did. I know. If I'd gotten the cutter thing, I wouldn't be doing this podcast. I'd be dead by now.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got real lucky. Real lucky. Let's see, I have some remnant inventory here. This is the latest on the EU digital border entry and exit system. The European Union's new digital entry and exit scheme, which involves registering the fingerprints of people from third party countries and taking their photographs before they enter 29 EU countries came into force on Sunday. Major airports in Italy began their implementation on Sunday while Germany began its gradual phase in storage. Stuttgart. According to the European Union, the new system will improve the efficiency and security of border crossings. Non EU citizens will have to pass through the biometric system to enter and exit the block with their data being stored in the cloud for at least three years. The system is expected to eventually replace the old fashioned system of physically stamping passengers passport, which doesn't allow for automatic.

[Adam Curry]

Detection of people who have exceeded their.

[John C. Dvorak]

Authorized stay of 90 days within 180 days. But experts are warning that non EU nationals will need to stop for a longer time before a passport control officer or self service kiosk at airports, ports and international rail terminals.

[Adam Curry]

The EU commission however, says says the.

[John C. Dvorak]

System could temporarily be suspended during the first six months of implementation if wait times become too long or there are technical issues. Three years. They retain that information. That seems a little excessive. Three years. By the way, I just got a text message from Andrew Horowitz.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's in Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's. He.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's he doing in Europe? I heard you guys had a best of show, but what's he. Where is he in Europe?

[Adam Curry]

He was in Tuscany the last time I looked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he says Pete and Franny are the best. Yes, I should have mentioned his friends. Pete and Franny were at the meetup. Franny is the. Is his drunk friend who he put on the phone. Remember that?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he called me up and he said, hey man, you're not really mad at me. Here, talk to my friend and some drunk woman. That was Franny. She was at the Meetup.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you're the drunk.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're the drunk lady. Yeah, that was me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. CBS has new pictures. Did you see the new pictures? I don't know how they got it, but it's. It's coming out now. New pictures of Epstein cell.

[Adam Curry]

This was the vow of then Attorney General Bill Barr.

[John C. Dvorak]

We will get to the bottom of.

[Adam Curry]

What happened and there will be accountability. Epstein's death was quickly ruled a suicide.

[John C. Dvorak]

But an investigation of jail cell photos.

[Adam Curry]

By CBS News, working with forensic experts, has raised serious questions about the New York medical examiner and the FBI's work, including a failure to preserve the scene, log evidence and run basic forensic tests. There are 90 photos in all showing a cell strewn with blankets and strips of fabric tied to the bed and window grate. Items moved around, including a mattress, which is seen on the floor in an earlier photo, but appears on the bed in Al. Looking at the metadata, that second photo appears to have been taken at 11:02am if that's accurate, the scene had been disturbed hours before FBI investigators. Oh, no. Investigators also found several possible nooses, but did not conclusively identify the one that killed him. What do you make of all these pictures? I make a crime scene gone wrong. Herman Weisberg is a former NYPD detective turned private investigator. Does it look to you like this was investigated as a suicide or as a murder? To me, this looks like they took.

[John C. Dvorak]

It at face value that this was a suicide.

[Adam Curry]

While our investigation did not contradict the official determination of suicide, it does raise questions about what was done to rule out the possibility of murder.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you realize that you've got a.

[Adam Curry]

High profile person that may or may.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not have committed suicide, but you need.

[Adam Curry]

To prove that to people.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is not adequate as far as I concerned.

[Adam Curry]

We've reached out for comment for the office of the Chief Medical examiner and the staff at the FBI and the Department of Justice. As of now, all have declined to comment.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is really. I don't. They didn't say how they got the pictures, but. Yeah, it's weird. There's like five nooses laying around and I don't know. They're keeping it going, that's for sure. Sure.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Why not?

[John C. Dvorak]

Keep it going. Yeah. All right. You're gonna have to wrap it up with whatever you got left over.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's see.

[John C. Dvorak]

For this holiday weekend, indigenous people celebration.

[Adam Curry]

I have a couple. I can talk about the Nashville Blast. I don't. It's kind of disgusting. I have one. Just one clip that would get us to shorten the show, which I think is a good clip. This is our idiot friend Don Lemon, formerly of cnn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is Don purposely going out to get humiliate? Is that what he's doing? It's kind of interesting, what this man on the street stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. It seems as though he's a masochist and he's out there making a fool out of himself. In this case, he doesn't seem to know what a law is, and he doesn't know what a misdemeanor is. He thinks it's not against the getting a misdemeanor. Doesn't mean you broke the law. Law. Did you know this? The misdemeanors. No, no, no. It's got nothing to do with anything. Listen to this clip with this woman he's talking to about illegal immigrants.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay? Crossing the border illegally is not a crime.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not a criminal act. It's a misdemeanor. So why are they being sent back and saying that they're breaking the law? That's the point, okay, as somebody that.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't know if they're breaking the law because they won't tell. There's no due process. Where's the evidence? That's. That's the whole point.

[Adam Curry]

And if they are breaking the law, most people will say, okay, then they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Need to go if they're criminals.

[Adam Curry]

But if they're not, why are they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Being rounded up and sent out? Especially when he promised to. To deport the criminals, and now he's not doing that. Yeah, I don't think we're going. So misdemeanor is not a criminal act. No. If you get charged with a misdemeanor.

[Adam Curry]

That'S not a criminal charge at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then if it's not a criminal act.

[Adam Curry]

Because we have different levels of crime.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everything is not the same. So it is crime. No, it's just we have different levels of. I shouldn't say crime, but it's not. It's not.

[Adam Curry]

You're not.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not a crime. You're not breaking the law.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, you are breaking the law.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's not a criminal act.

[Adam Curry]

Breaking the law.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you're not breaking the law. No.

[Adam Curry]

If you're speeding, drinking, get pulled over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dui, that's not a criminal. Well, no, if you're speeding is a misdemeanor.

[Adam Curry]

So still breaking the law. Okay, well, if you want to. If you want to qualify that, we're doing semantics.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what I'm saying. But what I'm trying to tell you is everything is not the same. It's All.

[Adam Curry]

Not one thing. But is it the law? What is it the law that. What is it law to come over legally? Is there a law? There are. There are rules that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Processes that you should follow.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you're breaking rules, you're breaking the rules, but you're not necessarily breaking a law.

[Adam Curry]

So what happens when you break?

[John C. Dvorak]

Then you get, as you saw, with the consequences.

[Adam Curry]

But the consequences should not. It's. Look, no one is saying. No one should stop the consequences.

[John C. Dvorak]

You guys are getting things mixed up. Oh, man. I got. I. I have respect for Don Lemon that he puts this stuff out. Does he not realize he looks like a dummy?

[Adam Curry]

He is a dummy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah. So it's kind of respect. You know, somehow I have respect for that.

[Adam Curry]

You have respect for someone who is a dummy and just lets it. Lets it fly.

[John C. Dvorak]

He doesn't have to put this out. I mean, he does.

[Adam Curry]

He's such a dummy. He doesn't even know that he's. That he's looking like a dummy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Does he have no one in his immediate sphere who will tell. Who will tell him that?

[Adam Curry]

Apparently not. I'm guessing I'm gonna show my support.

[John C. Dvorak]

By donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people. People who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Well, that's good news because there's two of us and we are quick to tell each other. You're a dummy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we do that all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're a rat or a dummy. You're a dummy, man. Don't do that. All right, we do have.

[Adam Curry]

And we also have our now new third party that makes it even more obvious that we're stupid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our third party party.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Error.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Boy, ERROR sure knows that we're dummies. So we have some good drone ends of show mixes coming up. We have John's tip of the day. And man, we have a nice cornucopia here. Secretary generals, knights and dames. And John's going to thank the rest of our Value for value donors. $50 and above.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Starting with Ernest Patton. He's in Westchester, Ohio. Cameo with 124.48. Christopher Ebert follows him with in Spartanburg, South Carolina. 10535. Jason. Jason Jacob Long in Landenburg, Pennsylvania. 8129. And this second. You should read this because it's a dame upgrade or damehood Don't. Donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jacob Long, Landenberg, pa. This second. Oh, this is a West Virginia donation. The 8129 makes it Dame Renegade for her birthday. She would like to Be turta, bumba and around. She would like turta, bumba. And a round of fire cider for everyone's health at the round table. I have fire cider. I'm not sure what turta and bumba are.

[Adam Curry]

I think he meant torta, maybe like as Mexican Santa.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it says turta.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it says turta.

[John C. Dvorak]

I ordered turtle, so I don't know what they're getting.

[Adam Curry]

Probably a sandwich.

[John C. Dvorak]

May or may not be good. Baby making karma. Now we got to work on HR1 getting his knighthood. Well, why don't we do the. The baby making karma right away. Get that out of the way for him. Here we go. Congratulations.

[Adam Curry]

You've got karma. Kevin McLaughlin's up. He's in north or North Carolina. In Concord, to be exact. 8008. He's the Archduke of luna, lover of America and lover of melons. Ron V42 and Hoffman Estates, Illinois, 8008. He says the world's much better with boobs. Jacob long has got a birthday call out Landenburg, Pennsylvania 7714. That'll be happy. Another happy West Virginia. Another.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but that's. That's the proper West Virginia, I think. 7714.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the other one's probably upgraded from fees.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Why? 7714. West Virginia again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Forget something about the hills. Something about the hills.

[Adam Curry]

Luca R. Comes in with a Bitcoin. 6298. Happy 18. Greetings from Croatia. Oh, well, that's one way Croatian.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder if Luke is one of the guys I know in Croatia. It's starting to get popular.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those bitcoin donations I see more purple than ever.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, they're rolling in dough. No, sir, not Jake in Thompson, Connecticut's 5678 strike just comes in. We don't even know who gave this donation of Bitcoin. 55 50. Jackson Butler in Leveland Leveland, Texas. 54 30. He's got a happy anniversary to a smoking hot wife, Ida. I'll mention that. Patrick Cannon in Cranford, North North New Jersey. 5333 Razor in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 5272. That's a happy birthday call out. Tara Newland in Gillette, Wyoming, 5167. And we're already at the 50 50s with a really miserable bunch of donors today. And coming insofar as paypal's concerned, Stephen Schumach. We haven't heard from him for a while. In Xenia, Ohio, David Mook in Concretown, a concran Tun, Pennsylvania Tim Del Vecchio in Blandon, Pennsylvania Gary Mao in Woodland Hill, California. And last on our short list, Chris dubendorf in Brookville, Maryland. 50 want to thank all these folks for making show. What is it, 1807 I believe. Yes, it is the reality it was. It's a good show by the way and people should help us by donating more next time.

[John C. Dvorak]

And again thanks to our executive and associate executive producers and our meetup producers who donated and those who didn't who just showed up. That was nice as well. You can always support the show and you should by going tonoen agenda donations.com set up a recurring donation today. Any amount, any frequency. It's all up to you. It is value for value. No agenda donations.com Sir Chris Cohen turned 64 on the 14th. Jacob Long wishes Renegade. Happy Birthday Razor. Happy birthday to Emma as she turns 13 and tomorrow Grand Duke David Foley will turn 60 years old. We say Happy Birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. We have two title upgrades. Sir Fur with a very controversial upgrade to Sir Fur. He calls himself Black baron of the I4 corridor. And Sir Chris Cowan, the Ringless Baron of North Austin, he becomes a viscount. Congratulations to both of you for moving up that peerage ladder and we are happy to see you there. And now it is time for a nice batch of Secretary Generals. Hail to the Secretary Generals cause they are the ones who need hailing. All hail to the Secretary's Generals on the note agenda show and we congratulate Secretary General of the Digital Dome. Said we congratulate Secretary General Sir Chris Cohen, Secretary General of Babyland and Secretary General of all things good. Just a few new Secretaries General and you can go to noagendarings.com and let us know where to send that very handsome certificate to prove to everybody that you are a Secretary General of the no Agenda show. All hail to the Secretary General Cuz they are the ones who need hailing. All hail to the Secretary General on the Note. A couple of nights and dames we have a layaway night. Chris Head from South Australia gala to be exact. Says it took a while but a monthly sustaining donation finally brings me to knighthood. If you are happy to accept my humble dollary do conversion, please knight me as Sir Chris of the Broken Ranges. No Agenda donations are more rewarding than any subscription model nonsense. So this timely reminder for douchebags to cancel their name. Netflix, send the money where it actually makes a difference. Mainly to your sanity. Thanks for the effort that goes into deconstruction. From pipelines to the North Sea Nexus. Can you please send out karma to the Noah Jenna nation? I'm sure someone out there needs it more than me. Thank you for your courage. Chris Head in Gawler, South Australia. And we want to bring a couple of dames and knights up onto the podium. John, if you get your boat, your blade out.

[Adam Curry]

Here you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very nice. So we have have Agricola Gothas, Renegade Chris Head, Chris Cowan, Sir Tim of the Domestead and Nick. And we are about to pronounce the Kate, all of them as knights and dames of the now agenda round table. So welcome Lady Agricola Gothicus, Dame renegade Sir Chris of the Broken Ranges, Sir Chris Cohen, Sir Tim of the domestead and Sir Nick Knight of Knoxville's 33rd degree. For you we have Hookers and blows rent boys and Chardonnay tequila and Concinita Pibil and weiss beers and sour bratin salted caramel latte and homemade pop tarts Turta boomba and a round of fire cider along with bongit Suburban sparkling cider and escorts ginger and gerbils. And of course as always, we have the mutton and mead on deck for you. All of you go to noagenderrings.com that's where you will find the handsome dame and knight rings. All we need from you is your ring size as a ring sizing guide on the way website. And with that it comes with some nice wax to seal your important correspondence with several of the letters we received yesterday at the meetup. We're sealed with wax. In fact, even One of the $500 donations, the $500 bills were waxed to the paper itself which Tina had a fun time peeling off. Thank you very much. Welcome to the roundtable, brand new knights and dames, no agenda meetups. And before we give you the overview of the no agenda meetups, you know what they are by now. If you've been listening so far on the show, here is a meetup report from Dakota Tavern in Parker.

[Adam Curry]

Welcome to the Dakota Tavern meetup in Parker, Colorado with plan D. Where it's not your first plan, not your best.

[John C. Dvorak]

Plan, but I'm the only plan you got. Hey, Colorado, Care Bear making an appearance in Parker.

[Adam Curry]

Hi, this is Dragon in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Turn in the freaking frogs. Gay. I'm pretty sure we just found this spook.

[Adam Curry]

Hi, all right. This is Eden McNally at Dakota Tavern.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meeting up for Thursday. Thursday meetup. Yeah, thanks for coming in itm. We got the server in there. Very nice. We have a couple of meetups coming up in the month of October. On the 16th, Coeur d', Alene, Idaho. Charlotte, North Carolina. On the 18th, Coleyville, Texas. Fort Wayne, Indiana. Fullerton, California. Columbus, Ohio. On the 19th, Lansing, Michigan. Los Altos, California. 25th, Camp Hill, Pennsylvania. The 26th, Berlin, Germany. Hello, Deutschland. Here's the Hoff. October 27th, the 31st, Leiden in the Nevada, Netherlands. We are looking forward to hearing all about these meetups. Your meetup reports include your servers. Let us know how it went. Go to noagendameetups.com for more information to find out where there are meetups being scheduled near you. And if you can't find one near you, this is a great time to start it. You will meet people who will give you ultimate connection and protection. They are your first responders in an emergency. Noagendameetups.com Easy and always a party.

[Adam Curry]

Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days.

[John C. Dvorak]

You wanna be where you won't be triggered or hell's lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, before we depart, we do have John's tip of the day coming up. And we always like to find an ISO to to play at the end of the show. It seems like you're loaded for bear today with three ISOs. I have three as well, so I will start us off. Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

You gonna miss me when I'm gone?

[John C. Dvorak]

Next one.

[Adam Curry]

See you later. Good luck.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And I wish I had a mic so I can drop it right right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which I thought would go well with our mic drop at the end of show, but that's just me.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, I got three. Let's start with True.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's true. That's true, that's true, that's true. Treasure trove that man is. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So I also did. I thought I'd do a tribute to. To Diane Keaton, who just died.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, dude, what do we know what she died of?

[Adam Curry]

It's like they haven't said yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

79. Seems young. Seems young. Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, la dee da la. Kind of an end of show. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Feels bad.

[Adam Curry]

All right, then we have. Okay, the final one, which I like, is the tribute to Walter Cronkite.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Walter Cronkite, and if I wasn't dead, I'd love this show. I think we have a winner, everybody. Stay tuned. Here is John's tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam. Yeah, okay. Curiously, I had the t. The tip of this. This tip is one of the. I Have a rotation of what I do. And this is a website that is incredibly useful for anybody who it has, I don't know, probably 50, maybe 60 different measurements that you can convert. It's called convert-me.com.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that may be handy.

[Adam Curry]

Convert-me.com and you can convert anything to anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can we do dollars to bitcoin?

[Adam Curry]

Probably not.

[John C. Dvorak]

It might.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, it's possible. I haven't gone through conversions. I've only used about 10 of them. Out of the 30 or 40 they have wire gauge conversions, which is new ring sizes. Ring sizes with conversion. I don't know what that even means. I guess there's different sizes around the world and that's new European ring size, but it's mostly mass and weight and distance and length and capacity and volume and area and speed and temperature, you know, Fabulous, useful site.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is. And I would say this is actually quite good for our no agenda knights and dames because I had no idea that ring sizes in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa differ from our ring sizes or the European standard sizes, which is ISO 8653:2016 and yet differs from Italy, Spain, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Brazil and India. And there's even old Brazilian ring sizes. This is a. This is a very interesting site.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Power. What's the power conversion? Oh, for megawatts. Gigawatt. Calories. Oh, hey, calories.

[Adam Curry]

There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see my giggle. How many calories are in this? Doesn't say. Does it have nicotine? Does it have nicotine? We got nicotine.

[Adam Curry]

Nicotine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nicotine. Yeah. Show me how much power is in some nicotine. That's an interesting site, John. It looks like it was made in 1980.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. The site is a little dated looking. It's very old, old fashioned. The fact that they have anything new is kind of a shocker.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is good. There it is. Your tip of the day. Find them [e-mail].

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, everybody, that is it. A dynamite, jam packed show just for you and that on a holiday weekend. I'm just saying it's because we love you. That's why we love you. And we do it as a public service every single time. End of show mixes. We got a double dose of Neil Jones, our clip custodian, because I found out he did more than one drone mix. So that will be a. A package, a sandwich, if you would will around the classic A drone Again parody, which is a fan favorite here. On the no Agenda show. Coming up next, if you're listening to the live stream, we have grumpy old dames. That's Lady Vox and Dame Black Loca. So stay tuned for that. And of course we will return on Thursday for another jam packed show full of deconstruction just for you. I. I'm sure something will happen in the meantime that we need to talk about. Until then, coming to you from the site of yet another great no Agenda meetup, Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll talk to you on Thursday. Remember [e-mail] until then, adios, mofos and such. I'm gonna send a mysterious drone over and announce it with a big flashing red light. I'm a drone. I'm a drone. I'm a drone flying over Afghanistan or.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe it was Pakistan.

[John C. Dvorak]

I promised myself to aim myself at every one them of child and man that was on my list. I don't care if I missed. I'm remote controlled. I do what I'm told by someone at a computer. Obama gave me a push more than Bush and I cost millions I'm supposed to target terrorists but not so much civilians I don't know why to say whoops, something got in my way. A drone again, naturally.

[Adam Curry]

A drone again, naturally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kamakaze drones. Kamakazi drones. Kamakazi drones.

[Adam Curry]

Kamikaze drones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kamikaze drones. Kamikaze drones.

[Adam Curry]

Kamikaze drones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Audios mofo Devorak. Org Na I'm Walter Cronkite and if I wasn't dead, I'd love this show.