1809 - "Tomahawk Turnaround"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1809: "Tomahawk Turnaround"

Date: October 19, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Main Theme & Overview

In this episode, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak deliver another whirlwind of media deconstruction, focusing extensively on recent protest movements (notably "No Kings Day"), the persistent confusion about American government systems, global political maneuverings, the evolution of media narratives, and the latest trends in pop culture and generational slang. The hosts also critique the state of activism, geopolitical conflicts, and the peculiarities of American life and media.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. No Kings Day: Protest Recap & Analysis

• No Kings Day: Nationwide rallies protesting against "kingly" figures and alleged anti-democratic tendencies, heavily focusing on Trump.
  • Some Republicans dubbed it a “hate America” rally, anticipating violence, which didn't materialize.
  • [01:25] “Better would be if they’d rioted and actually made a fuss that had pulled a George Floyd.” (Adam Curry)
  • Many in the crowd held American flags, which the hosts note is rare for left-leaning protests.
• Vapid Protest Messaging:
  • The hosts highlight how man-on-the-street interviews reveal little concrete reasoning; most participants simply say, “We hate Trump.”
  • [05:11] “Trump’s a bitch.”
    “Why is that?” – “I don’t know. We just don’t like him.” (Protester, clip played by Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak)
• Unity Unicorn:
  Protester in a unicorn suit claims, “We're here doing a peaceful protest, trying to get our democracy back,” and hands out water (?07:19).
• Media Coverage Critique:
  • NPR and mainstream outlets—accused of slant and excessive coverage.
  • Focus on older crowds, “Old, unreconstructed hippie ladies ... just look dreadful.”
    [12:42] (Adam Curry)

2. Misunderstanding “Democracy” vs “Republic”

• The hosts deeply analyze and bemoan the increasingly prevalent misuse of “democracy” for “constitutional republic.”
  • [09:19] “We are a constitutional republic; we’re not a constitutional democracy.” (Adam Curry)
  • They express frustration over how even politicians and media get this wrong, resulting in fundamental confusion in protest movements.

3. Protest Chants & Messaging

• Protesters borrowed old rhyme/chant formats, but with nonsensical or misapplied content:
  • [11:14] “Get FEMA out of DHS.”
  • [11:32] “Hey, hey, Donald J. How many kids did you starve today?”
• Discussion about many participants being older and seemingly out of touch, with few young people visible or filming on phones.

4. Media Deconstruction: NPR & Corporate News

• The hosts break down NPR’s report and mainstream coverage, arguing that they overinflate protest significance and continually reinforce a slanted worldview.
• [13:03] Adam: “NPR wants their funding back ...”

5. Race, Policing & Firearms Discourse

• Critique of Don Lemon's call for minorities to arm themselves amid claims of due process violations.
  • [18:48] John: “Go out and get a gun legally. ... Isn’t that what the Second Amendment was written for?”
• Hosts question the prevalence or validity of activists' claims about police behavior—ask, “Where is the video evidence?”

6. US Anti-Narcotics Operations & International Affairs

• Deep dive into US military campaigns against drug traffickers in the Caribbean and implications for northern European drug routes.
  • [21:29] Adam: “Drugs is the business ... Netherlands is a narco state.”
  • The US is striking more drug-running boats, sometimes with presumed collateral casualties.
• Examination of claims about “extrajudicial killings” and complex geopolitics involving Colombia and Venezuela.
• Joke about mainstream media always reframing US actions as possibly illegal: “Human rights experts have described the strikes as extrajudicial killings.”
  [25:28] John C. Dvorak

7. France: Sanctions, Bank Fines, and Economic Woes

• BNP Paribas found complicit in Sudanese atrocities, potentially facing billions in further damages.
• France’s credit rating downgraded — a move the hosts suggest is tied to international pressure and shifting political alliances.
  • [35:44] John: “S&P projects France’s debt will rise to 121% of GDP by 2028.”

8. Ukraine/Russia Peace Proposals & The “Tomahawk Turnaround”

• President Trump presses Ukraine and Russia toward a ceasefire, proposing to freeze conflict along current lines.
  • Zelensky visits D.C. seeking Tomahawk missiles— US holds back, fearing escalation.
• Media Manipulation:
  • NPR and others present “man on the street” interviews without real Ukrainian voices, only NGO talking heads.
  • [42:31] “Can I hear one Ukrainian voice just once? ... It’s always some analyst.” (John C. Dvorak)
• Speculation over a Trump-Putin summit in Budapest and diplomatic wrangling over potential arrest warrants for Putin.
  • [53:32] Queen Ursula (Von der Leyen) gives cautious approval, emphasizing a “just and lasting peace.”

9. Israel, Gaza & Persistent Tensions

• Update on Gaza ceasefire, delays in returning hostage bodies, and ongoing military operations.
• Critique of the European Union’s pivot toward Mediterranean integration after the “war’s end.”
  • [55:22] Adam reads Ursula von der Leyen’s speech about a “shared Mediterranean home,” which the hosts lampoon.

10. Antisemitism & No-Go Zones in Britain

• Maccabi Tel Aviv soccer fans banned from Birmingham game over “safety,” widely interpreted as the creation of a Jewish “no go zone”—sharply criticized by conservative commentators.
  • [63:58] John: “No go zone for Jew. No Jews here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.”

11. Listener Feedback & Inside-Baseball Chat

• Extended reading of letters from listeners on topics including criticism, donation appeals, podcasting methods, and recurring gripes about hosts’ attitudes.
  • [66:11+] A running gag about deconstructing Tucker Carlson, and jokes about “Tucker Derangement Syndrome.”
• Defense of their donation model:
  • [145:06] “You have to have some sincerity… Do you want the money or not?... It’s called asking.” (John)
  • Hosts explain the necessity of “bitching and moaning” to keep the show funded.

12. Podcasting, Video, & Generational Learning

• Conversation about the resistance to video for the No Agenda Show and how the “cone of learning” supports audio retention if listeners actually focus.
  • [76:57] “We are teaching people to listen ... you hear a lot more.” (Adam)

13. Gen Z Slang, Game Shows, and Culture

• Analysis of Gen Z phenomena—from “67” (nonsensical slang) to an American game show where contestants can’t read analog clocks.
  • [80:10] John: “...there would be a game show where adult human beings were tested on their ability to read clock.”
• Talk of TikTok trends, parent/child generational divides, and broader implications for American education and culture.

14. Gen Z-Driven Political Unrest Worldwide

• Observing regime-change efforts and mass youth activism in Morocco, Madagascar, Peru, et al.
• Speculation on whether the coordination is grassroots or an intelligence agency’s “color revolution” playbook.
  • [91:45+] “I think it’s amazing that some Gen Z protests are turning out this way and no one is seeing this.”

15. Religion as “Obsolete” & the Evolution of Faith

• John presents a sociologist’s argument that traditional religions are becoming culturally obsolete—replaced by other identity or spiritual mechanisms.
  • [98:49+] “Obsolete... not that it’s extinct, just not as practiced.”
• Adam: “The internet became the religion.”
  • Critique of churches failing to adapt; “socialization” could provide for youth what older religious forms cannot.

16. Pop Culture: Taylor Swift’s 39 Album Variants

• Taylor Swift’s unprecedented marketing strategy—releasing dozens of collectible versions of the same album for rabid fans.
  • [114:06] “She has an audience that is buying 38 copies of the exact same product.”
• Hosts see it as both fan service and genius exploitation; parallels drawn to Beanie Babies and soda flavors.
  • “Say you buy 20 of these things—Billboard says that’s 20 sales. It helps you get to #1. It’s bull crap.” (Adam, [118:14])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Protester Messaging:
  [05:11]

  “Trump’s a bitch.”
  “Why is that?”
  “I don’t know. We just don’t like him.”
  (Protester, via John & Adam’s field clips)

• On American Civic Ignorance:
  [39:07]

  “This is it. It’s that this is what democracy looks like, which is, you know, we learned that if you paid attention to school...”
  (John C. Dvorak)

• On France’s Economic Downturn:
  [36:02]

  “S&P projects France’s debt will rise to 121% of GDP by 2028, 9% more than last year.”
  (John C. Dvorak)

• On Gen Z Slang:
  [81:41]

  “Six, seven. You’ve got the tone down... it really means nothing at all. But unlike most Internet trends, this one seems to be sticking around...”
  (Segment on “67” trend)

• On Religion Going Obsolete:
  [98:49]

  “Obsolete... not that it’s extinct, just not as practiced.”
  (Notre Dame sociology professor, via John)

• On Bitching and Moaning for Donations:
  [145:06]

  “You have to have some sincerity ... Do you want the money or not?... It’s called asking for the money.”
  (John C. Dvorak)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• No Kings Day protest analysis & field clips: [00:41] – [16:54]
• Democracy vs. Republic explanation: [09:19] – [10:56]
• Protest chants & street party vibe: [10:53] – [12:57]
• NPR/Media coverage critique: [12:14] – [15:46]
• Don Lemon, policing, 2A talk: [18:13] – [20:33]
• US strikes on narco boats: [21:29] – [29:00]
• France, BNP, economic downgrades: [32:08] – [37:41]
• Ukraine diplomacy & media analysis: [38:17] – [54:05]
• EU, Gaza ceasefire, refugee narratives: [54:39] – [59:01]
• Antisemitism and UK football banning: [59:56] – [64:06]
• Listener emails, donation model, Tucker riffs: [66:11] – [71:30]
• Podcasting, learning retention, value-for-value defense: [74:02] – [77:14]
• Gen Z, cultural rot, “67” trend: [78:02] – [89:34]
• Youth activism, global protests: [89:44] – [95:44]
• Religion, socialization, new spiritualities: [96:14] – [110:17]
• Taylor Swift album variants/marketing deconstruction: [110:19] – [124:49]

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The Tone & Style

As always, the hosts maintain a free-flowing, irreverent, and highly skeptical tone—mixing wit, banter, and pointed media critique with off-the-cuff humor and inside podcast jokes. They’re unafraid to lampoon sacred cows (in activism, politics, and media), frequently referencing both right- and left-wing foibles, and highlight the ways in which media narratives, education, and pop culture confuse or mislead.

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Final Thoughts

Episode 1809 is classic No Agenda: an immersive, fast-paced, and thought-provoking journey through headlines, activism, the dangers of media groupthink, generational divides, and the absurdities of modern political and popular culture—with plenty of spicy banter, audience engagement, and behind-the-scenes insight into the art of media deconstruction.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Bitching and moaning is part of the process.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak and Sunday, October 19, 2025. This year, award winning gibbonation media assassination episode 1809 this is no Agenda. Blowing up votes and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we've discovered that Democrats don't like kings, but they love queens. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did Marty write that for you?

[Adam Curry]

No, I wrote that myself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah. I don't know, it was a little too good. Yeah, so I, I did, I followed some of this no Kingsday stuff and there's really, there's really two things that you can just see happening everywhere. Every single one of them. And I wouldn't say it was a complete failure. I mean they definitely had some crowds here and there.

[Adam Curry]

This is, I thought it was a huge success for them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. That's what, well, that's what I'm saying. It's, it was, it was reasonable. Trying to think, do I have, I thought I had.

[Adam Curry]

Well, what would be more than reasonable to you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, it was, the thing is, it's just everybody was kind of nice, you know, just walking around.

[Adam Curry]

Oh. So better would be if they'd rioted and actually made a fuss that had pulled a George Floyd. Yeah, well, maybe that's an interesting point to make.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's. Let's see, let me see. I think this is the report I was looking for. Thousands of people are expected to descend on the nation's capital for a no kings rally. Peaceful movement seeks to send a message to the Trump administration saying that America does not put up with would be kings. This week, multiple Republican leaders called next.

[Adam Curry]

Week'S event a hate rally.

[John C. Dvorak]

This Hate America rally that they have coming up for October 18th, the Antifa crowd and the pro Hamas crowd and the Marxists, they're all going to gather on the Mall. This is about one thing and one thing only. To score political points with the terrorist wing of their party, which is set to hold as leader Scalise just commented on a Hate America rally in D.C. next week. And then October 18th is when the protest gets here. This will be a Soros paid for.

[Adam Curry]

Protest where his professional protesters show up.

[John C. Dvorak]

The agitators show up. We'll have to get the National Guard out. Hopefully it'll be peaceful. I doubt it. So none of that. This was not a hate America rally. This was not antifa. I You know, yeah, it was funded by wealthy sources, but it wasn't necessarily a George Soros funded organized protest.

[Adam Curry]

No, the Walton woman is part of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Independent.Org, whatever those people are called. No, it's not independent. What is it called? Indivisible. There we go. Indivisible. No, but the two things that. Well, there are a couple of things. First of all, everywhere American flags, it looks, if anything, it looks like the movement wants to hijack patriotism back from the right, if there is such a thing. So I was happy in general just to see people with American flags. We haven't seen that from the so called left in a long time. So I kind of like that. But this was the general consensus amongst every single person who was interviewed. Man on the street. It was always basically this. There are many, many reasons. I do not want to get into all of them because I cannot stomach, stomach, stomach, stomach.

[Adam Curry]

The thought of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Literally displayed himself as one with AI generated crowns. And by quite literally positioning himself in.

[Adam Curry]

Kingly regalia, having a golden ballroom. Who needs a golden ballroom?

[John C. Dvorak]

Seriously, it was like there was nothing about pol policy, nothing about Republicans.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's just to hate Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

To hate Trump. And this is my favorite lady. There are many, many. Oh, oops, sorry. That's not the one I meant. Here, this one. This is the lady. No Kings Day. And why specifically are you out supporting no Kings Day? I think protest is important. Why are you protesting?

[Adam Curry]

How much time do you have?

[John C. Dvorak]

A couple minutes. What's the main reason you're out here protesting? President? With a lot of the decisions that are being made. Is there any decision in particular you disagree with? Where.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so I would start with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't even think.

[Adam Curry]

I don't even think it's appropriate for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me to have this interview. Yeah, that's correct.

[Adam Curry]

I have a topper.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can top that lady. Oh, goodness.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. Okay, I believe this is a topper.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

I have three clips on no Kings Day, but this one is. I'll start with the topper, which is. This is the man on the street.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Okay, here we go. Trump's a bitch.

[Adam Curry]

Why is that?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. He's just. We don't like him. That's the word around here. Any, any particular reason why you don't like him? No clue at all. I'm just going with everybody else saying, are you sure that wasn't AI? That was real?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there was some guy. He's a white guy, sounded like a black guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it was a White guy is even funny.

[Adam Curry]

I know it was some man.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a.

[Adam Curry]

It's a. Why? I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I have just a few quick clips because I see you have NPR stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I. Yeah, I have one more person on the street we should probably play. Okay, first, which is the unity Unicorn, which is another classic in the lines of that first one you played.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am the unit of unicorn. Got my head out of my costume because I can't breathe right now. But we're here doing a peaceful protest.

[Adam Curry]

Trying to get our democracy back, trying.

[John C. Dvorak]

To get the current White House impeached and all removed for crimes against the United States and against our Constitution. Everybody here is being peaceful. So everybody here is being peaceful. I just want it out there for.

[Adam Curry]

Anybody that's out here.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do have free water and a cooler.

[Adam Curry]

I brought some water for everybody in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Case they get thirsty or if somehow pepper spray happens to hit them. We have a way to wash it out. So anyway, this is my little catch up for today. So hopefully I'll be doing more of these protests or hopefully we won't have to. All right, see you later. Bye. Exactly. Exactly. And. And when I look at this group of people, I'm like, these are just Americans. They're not running around, they're not breaking stuff. They have been completely brainwashed into one thing and one thing only. We need our democracy back. And that's actually worse than anything because they believe they have been completely brainwashed into believing we have a democracy. You know, and so the chance, everything was there.

[Adam Curry]

We love America. We have to fight for our democracy. If you've been paying attention, if you paid attention in high school, junior high or college, if you pay attention to those lessons, some of the things are happening here where countries, people in other countries, bad things happen to them. And we have a pattern going on here. And so we need to stop it.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what democracy looks like continuously. And I realized this is it. It's that this is what democracy looks like, which is, you know, we learned that if you paid attention to school. Yeah, I don't know what school you went to, but unfortunately, the scholastic system has let us down and taught people some retarded things about our republic, our constitutional, representative republic. It is not a democracy. We just have to keep saying it now. And Bernie Sanders came out doing it. No, President Trump, we don't want you or any other king to rule us. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

The other words.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we will maintain our democratic form of society. No, we don't have a democratic form of Society. This is the problem. Now, I realize they've just been taught complete different America. I don't know if that's fixable. But, dude, like, get it together. It doesn't seem like the left is mad at the right. They just hate Trump. And I thought your newsletter was very on point. You know, the. The joke of it all is that it's literally kings and monarchs who are trying to destroy us with the North Sea Nexus. And then these people come up with no kings. It's demented. But the people that.

[Adam Curry]

You know your point, I have to say, and it is something we keep forgetting, or at least I have, and I think maybe generally everyone has, which is that we are a constitutional republic. We're not a constitutional democracy.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Or more than a couple politicians call us a constitutional democracy. We're not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or Tulsi Gabbard saying a democratic republic.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we're not. Get it straight. That's wrong, too. That she says that.

[Adam Curry]

They're all saying it because it's been drummed into everyone. Yeah, that it is. And so then we're losing our democracy, which we don't have to begin with. We are republic.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if they truly.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody wants to. We've been talking about this, by the way, on this show for at least 15 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but you're right, because it's so prevalent. This is what I saw. I didn't clip it. Cory Booker. This is what democracy looks like. But that's not. But the thing is, if this is what democracy looked like, then. Okay, you lost. Shut up. So you want a democracy where the mob rules. In this case, the Republicans rule. They would be the mob. And then if this is what democracy looks like, then shut up, go home, and wait until you have the mob rule. So it doesn't even make sense, because that's not what democracy looks like.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, as you think about it, if a bunch of people in the street screaming their heads off, including the you have to hear the hey, ho, gotta go stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I have two new ones. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It's like, if this is what democracy looks like, it's a mess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. Who wants that? This is a. This was a very odd one. Get FEMA out of dhs. Get FEMA out of dhs.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I saw this one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get FEMA rhyme. Get FEMA out of dhs. And then what was this one? Hey, hey, Donald J. How many kids did you start today? Hey, hey, Donald J. How many kids did you start today? Hey. Hey. Okay, I'm not even sure what he's saying. How Many kids.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, hey, how kids you just starve.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, starve today. Oh, ok, got it. So. Yeah. But otherwise I was actually quite happy. I'm like, oh, by the way, when.

[Adam Curry]

Is Trump starving kids?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it must be Gossens, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but, but I like that, you know, these, I like the flags, like a lot of Americans with flags.

[Adam Curry]

West coast coverage is a little different than what you saw. Well, there's a lot of Mexican flags and a lot of trans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello. I'm talking about Americ. You no longer live in America.

[Adam Curry]

That's close enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not close enough. No. All right, what do you have? What's this NPR stuff? What do you have?

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is the only, the one summary report that I thought was, was interesting because this is NPR's report on the, I mean every news channel, they over covered it, especially out here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it was like, oh, look at this, look at that. And there's just a bunch of people in the, and a lot of mostly old people. You know, a lot of, it's like the retirees all came out of the woodwork.

[John C. Dvorak]

It always hurts to see the Vietnam vets, you know, in these programs.

[Adam Curry]

A couple of those. And there's a lot of old, old, old, old, unreconstructed hippie ladies that are, you know, I hate to say it, but they're my age and they just look dreadful. They just look just horrible, horrible looking people.

[John C. Dvorak]

You could have gone out and you could have scored. Man, that sounds like babe paradise.

[Adam Curry]

I'd still be itching. So, so this is, this is to me classic because it's npr. They want their funding back and they're, and they're, I don't know what they're trying to pull here, but this is, I consider this one of the most slanted news coverage reports I've heard for a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

In rural Shenandoah County, Virginia, demonstrators packed a quarter mile of sidewalk for the no Kings rally against President Trump. Randy Behge with member station WMRA has more. Hey, hey, ho, ho. Donald Trump. The no Kings gathering was part of.

[Adam Curry]

A seven month streak of weekly protests.

[John C. Dvorak]

Against the Trump administration. Here's one of the organizers, Dr. Mark Pierce.

[Adam Curry]

The reason we are out here is to give a message that we are not his subjects.

[John C. Dvorak]

Local resident Joan Griffin has been consistently protesting here. The fact that they are grabbing people who are even American citizens off the street, the cutting off of funding to universities and the like for research. And then I'm very disturbed by what is the apparent destruction of the federal government. More than 70% of voters in the county cast their ballot for President Donald Trump last year. For NPR News, I'm Randy B. Hagee in Woodstock, Virginia. And that's part of some 2500 marches around the country today. So they had 7 million, I'm looking at MSNBC now. 7 million protesters. Okay, so you got 2% of the country. That's, that's what democracy looks like. You are in the minority. Go home, you lost. Isn't that how, what democracy looks like? Or okay, you're protesting, it's fine. I think a lot of people are just protesting just because, well, it's the American thing to do. We protest, which I'm, I'm totally okay with.

[Adam Curry]

I think there's a lot of socialization.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, street. I heard every report look more like a street party. Well, that's fine, that's good. No, I was, I thought this was actually a very American type of thing. You know, Americans get very confused. All of us do at some point and go out and, you know, we're out there, we're letting our voice be heard. And in this case, all we have to say is we hate Trump, we hate his golden stuff, but they know little about government or how it works or what our constitutional republic is really supposed to do, which is just protect our rights as citizens and not much else. Dismantling of the government, I'm all for, I think that that should be the stance. It's just, it was interesting I, I, the way the Mike Johnson.

[Adam Curry]

Mike Johnson's useless National Guard.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, these were actually peace loving Americans who just have no, you know, the, they have no, they get no poll on Tick tock. So they, you know, let me go out with some other people and I'll.

[Adam Curry]

Feel like half the people don't even know how to use TikTok. In fact, the thing that, and if you think about it, think about the images you've seen of all the people out there. You didn't see, you saw very few of them holding a phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting. Well, how come you, this is your people. You should have been out there.

[Adam Curry]

Were my people. They didn't have a phone. And it's like, and they were in my age group, which is, I mean, it was just a bunch of old farts, basically. And they didn't have phones. You didn't see anybody on their phones because they were, there were, this was a retirement community. Let go. Okay, everybody, let's hit the streets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's 10 bucks.

[Adam Curry]

Here's 10 bucks. Heres some signs.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's interesting. Yeah. Well, there was some younger people, but.

[Adam Curry]

It'S just very few. But at least out here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Most of the images, imagery I saw was very few young people and mostly middle. I'm 60 and up, no phones, dumb. They didn't know anything about what was going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's kind of the egregious part, is that they really just don't know much about our system, how it's supposed to work, how it has been working. You don't actually want a democracy. That is the end of everything. Just look at Europe. I love that people say, oh, I'm gonna go live in Lisbon. It's great there. Okay. All right. Don't hang out too long, because it's all going to come crashing down.

[Adam Curry]

Lisbon.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to Portugal. It's the best. No, not really. You'll see. So, yeah, I was pleased. I have to say I was just pleased that it wasn't what it could have been and what the Republican scaremongers told us it would be. We've always had dumb people in America. We've always looked at other Americans. That guy's crazy. You know, we've had a lot of weird things that we do that we get into, like Jazzercise. We've had some odd, odd ones.

[Adam Curry]

You're wondering. You kind of, like. You're just kind of going off here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I am. I am.

[Adam Curry]

Jazzercise. I was wondering where this was headed.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's just nowhere. Straight into a pit.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Straight into a pit. I did have one clip from Don Lemon, who. Now, if anyone's a problem Don Lemon.

[Adam Curry]

You should arm ourselves.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's the one. It's like Don Lemon. That's a great clip, by the way. I agree with Don Lemon. Everybody should arm themselves.

[Adam Curry]

Most people agree with Don Lemon. It's just that his attitude about it is a problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Black people, brown people of all stripes, whether you're an Indian American or a Mexican American or whoever you are, go out in your place where you live and get a gun legally. Get a license to carry legally. Because when you have people knocking on your door and taking you away without due process as a citizen, isn't that what the Second Amendment was written for? Go back and read what the Second Amendment says, and perhaps it will knock some sense in the head, in the heads of these people who are saying.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's all great.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't believe they're doing it without due process. They're asking people for papers. They're not really Beating people up. These people are doing things that are illegal. Nobody is illegal. It is a misdemeanor to cross the border. It's misdemeanor. I love. Somehow the audio on him got really fliffy. He sounds better that way. It's a misdemeanor.

[Adam Curry]

You know, the other thing is, besides this fact that he thinks misdemeanor is not breaking the law.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. He.

[Adam Curry]

Which we had in another clip. But he, he lives in, I think he lives in New York, if I'm not mistaken. You can't get a gun in New York.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no.

[Adam Curry]

No matter what you think.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. But the. So I, when I saw this, I did question myself because I've seen some other posts, posts on the X and I wonder, you know, because I live in a predominantly white community in Texas. I mean, am I missing something? Am I missing American citizens who are brown and black being rousted and arrested and asked for their papers continuously? I don't see a lot of video evidence of it. And you'd think you would see it if that were happening.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's a good point. Where's the video evidence?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I mean, we've had enough of the kid being zip tied. We know what that was now. And dragged out naked. But like I said on the last show, where, you know, the, the white liberals of Austin are like, we need to do ice training for when they come to take our brown people. There's just no evidence of it, you know.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'd like to see that and I understand the, the empathy they have, but you know, this is what democracy looks like. The, the president was democratically elected, then he said he would do this. And I think he's doing what he said he would and going way beyond with these, these, these boats, man. This is, this is a North Sea nexus attack. This is fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

But the boats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, President.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, explain that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. As you said, and I agree with you that these drug boats, this is all drugs for Europe. And I'm in complete agreement knowing that in particular, once something comes into the port of Rotterdam where most of the drugs come in, you know, through whatever pipelines coming from Colombia, coming from Venezuela. Look, that's where the coke comes from. That is their money. That's the big, big money. It's the banks are involved, the politicians are involved. Drugs is the business. It's certainly the business of the Netherlands. It's one of two things. Either you're storing money for, well, three things. Storing money for big tech, which is tax free because there's no tax on intellectual property, which is why the Rolling Stones have all their main offices there. Or you're running mailbox accounts for Russian oligarchs or you're in the drug trade. I mean, it is a drug transport haven. It is a narco state and it's been that way for decades. So, yeah, when you start to start to take out boats. Well, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And now you don't think Trump is taking the boats out on the behest of the kings?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. They're the ones taking the money.

[Adam Curry]

Messing with them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Oh, 100%. Absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

That's white supremacy, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean that's white supremacy?

[Adam Curry]

To say 100%.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's white supremacy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Somebody said that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you been talking to the kids again?

[Adam Curry]

It's white supremacy. No, they didn't come up with somebody on one of the MSNBC or somebody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really? Oh, that's great. So let me see. So I didn't even know this was going on. We have Operation Pacific Viper. This is not even in the Mediterranean. This is Operation Pacific Viper. As Coast Guard has announced, it has seized more than 100,000 pounds of cocaine. The seizures are part of Operation Pacific Viper. It started in August in the eastern Pacific Ocean, targeting drugs from Central and South America. Officials say they are seizing 1600 pounds of drugs daily. 86 people have been arrested suspected of narco trafficking. The Coast Guard says it is focusing on drug smuggling, juggling routes in the eastern Pacific Ocean and dismantling narco terrorist networks which includes Colombia. The United States has struck yet another ship in the Caribbean. In a bragging post media President Donald.

[Adam Curry]

Trump posted this video claiming the vessel was a drug carrying submarine. US Intelligence confirmed this vessel was loaded up with mostly fentanyl and other illegal narcotics. There were four known narco terrorists terrorists.

[John C. Dvorak]

On board the vessel.

[Adam Curry]

Two of the terrorists were killed.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of the Survivors was a 34 year old Colombian who authorities say has been repatriated and will be prosecuted for alleged drug smuggling. Washington claims its unprecedented military campaign in the Caribbean has so far killed at.

[Adam Curry]

Least 27 drug smugglers in Colombia.

[John C. Dvorak]

There is a different story. Local media reported that one of the victims from a recent attack was a fisherman whose engine was switched off and.

[Adam Curry]

Had issued a distress signal.

[John C. Dvorak]

An enraged President Gustavo Petro shared the reports on his own social media.

[Adam Curry]

U.S. government officials have committed murder and violated our sovereignty in our territorial waters. Fisherman Alejandro Carensa had no ties to drug traffickers and his daily activity was fishing.

[John C. Dvorak]

The US has been building its military.

[Adam Curry]

Presence in the Caribbean and since September has targeted at least six vessels, some from Venezuela.

[John C. Dvorak]

Human rights experts have described the strikes as extrajudicial killings. Yeah, of course, that's the main narrative. Like everybody's, oh, you know, this is illegal killing. Illegal killing, like what? Killing should be legal? I'd say legal killing. And I guess because of the, the past couple of days, cbs, you know, brought it all back in a report about CIA in Venezuela.

[Adam Curry]

In a dramatic new show of force, three B52 long range bombers flew hours yesterday off the coast of Venezuela. Late today, the commander in charge of the mission, Admiral Alvin Hosley, abruptly stepped down, a surprise move less than a year into the job. That's after President Trump told reporters he authorized CIA operations in the country, prompting concern from Democrats on Capitol Hill. Starting wars that may spiral out of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Control ought to be deeply alarming to the American public.

[Adam Curry]

There are now 10,000 troops in the Caribbean, including eight warships and a submarine. And new images show military helicopters which could carry Special Operations soldiers 90 miles off Venezuela's coast. We are certainly looking at land now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because we've got the sea very well under control.

[Adam Curry]

The US Military took out another alleged drug carrying boat this week, the fifth strike in six weeks. Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has fired back against the escalation, saying there will be no regime change or CIA orchestrated coup. President Trump has not explicitly called a regime change, but the administration has made clear it does not want Maduro to remain in power. There's a $50 million reward for information leading to his arrest for alleged drug trafficking. Former U.S. ambassador to Panama John Feeley said Maduro has long been a problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

For the US he is the nominal.

[Adam Curry]

Head of a government that has been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wholly captured by organized crime in Venezuela. You know, and I think the problem is not even so much. Well, the drugs are the problem, of course, but we have to go back to the Panama Papers. That's how all the drug money was being hidden. And it's from. Remember how many people had money involved in the Panama Papers?

[Adam Curry]

Everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And people who don't even even know it said, I got a lot of money. I give it to those guys. Those guys did something with it. You know, it's all stored offshore. And this is the cartel. And I think President Trump is bringing it down, interestingly, or at least this is a start. It's pretty big, interestingly, it's pretty big.

[Adam Curry]

When you're bringing in £150,000 of Coke at a time, £15,000 a day. How much cocaine is the American public consuming?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's not.

[Adam Curry]

You can sense a lot of it by some of the people that you see. Even on podcasts, I never notice it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's your job. That's your beat. You notice the. The.

[Adam Curry]

I'm always surprised that you never picked up on that. You know, sometimes you could tell just. Just listen to the guy talking, that maybe he's been. Something's wrong with his. He's got an adenoidal sound.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who. Give me names.

[Adam Curry]

We've got. They're all over the place. It's like the number of people that you hear that have the. The coke voice is. It's. I'd be saying it too often. Well, you know, that guy sounds like. You can't keep accusing everybody being coked up, but sometimes with these numbers I'm hearing, maybe they are.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's Europe.

[Adam Curry]

Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody's doing.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, we don't. I think you're. You're wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think.

[Adam Curry]

I think. I think a good portion of the. Of the. Of the politicians are coked up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's.

[Adam Curry]

In this country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No, I'm. Well, well, they're just getting part of the supply. They're in the supply chain. And by the way, as a former drug user, I can just say cocaine is not an excellent drug. It sucks. You know weed, yeah, all right, you know, I can go with that. But cocaine, no, it's just a crappy drug anyway. So Maduro, apparently, according to this journalist, he said, what do you want? I'll do anything you want. Just stop it. Make it stop. Make it go away. I didn't even know he had said that. But this is what this journalist said, said the president In a question.

[Adam Curry]

Mr. President, it has been reported that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maduro offered everything in his country, all the natural resources.

[Adam Curry]

He even recorded a message to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

In English recently, offering mediation. What should we do to stop that?

[Adam Curry]

He has offered everything. He's offered everything.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right.

[Adam Curry]

You know why? Because he doesn't want to fuck around with the United States. Thank you, everybody. Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Yeah, that's. That's big boy talk right there. And. And then this. This surprise.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, I've heard that clip a dozen times, but they've always bleeped out what he said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, it's. That's no good. And this, you know, this. This head of US Military for. Or Latin American command or whatever it is, in a surprise move, he has resigned. Well, that's not entirely true.

[Adam Curry]

It's the latest shakeup in the senior ranks of the US Military under the Trump administration. The admiral who oversees operations in the South, Caribbean and Latin America, will step down in December, two years earlier than expected.

[John C. Dvorak]

December. It's not like he quit right away. Like, you can't be killing people. I quit. I'm a military man. We don't kill people. I quit.

[Adam Curry]

We don't kill people. That's a good line.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's retiring early.

[Adam Curry]

On behalf of the Department of War, we extend our deepest gratitude to Admiral Alvin Hulsey for his more than 37 years of distinguished service to our nation as he plans to retire at year's end. The New York Times reports. A U.S. official said Hulsey raised concerns over attacks on alleged drug boats. And a source told Reuters that there was tension between him and Secretary Hegseth in the days leading up to the moment. On October 10th, Florida based US Southern Command announced it would create a new joint task force based in North Carolina to coordinate future counternarcotics operations in the Western Hemisphere. The shakeup takes place in the backdrop of a US Military buildup and an.

[John C. Dvorak]

Escalation of tensions with Venezuela. Yeah, he's just connecting things. I honestly don't think it's connected. I think the guy's just tired. Eh? You know what? I'm getting out early. Oh, no. This is no good. And France, man. France is in the crosshairs. This got almost no press. At least I didn't hear about it until I came across this one clip.

[Adam Curry]

France's biggest bank, BNP Paribas, forced to pay millions of dollars because of its operations in Sudan. It's been found complicit in atrocities that took place in the country in the early 2000s. On Friday, a U.S. jury sided with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Say what?

[Adam Curry]

That was BNP Bank National Paris.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

That's a big bank. It's the biggest.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the biggest one. We'll listen to the accusation that they were a big. Found guilty of.

[Adam Curry]

It's been found complicit in atrocities that took place in the country in the early 2000s. On Friday, a US jury sided with three plaintiffs after hearing testimonies of their suffering at the hands of Sudanese soldiers and militias.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our clients lost everything to a campaign of destruction fueled by US dollars that BNP Paribas facilitated and that should have been stopped.

[Adam Curry]

The plaintiffs, two men and one woman originally from Sudan but now American citizens, said that they had been tortured, burned with cigarettes. And in the case of the woman sexually assaulted by Sudanese forces while former President Omar Al Bashir was in power. The plaintiffs argued the bank backed Al Bashir's regime by giving it access to markets to export resources, enabling it to buy weapons for use against its population. The war in Sudan killed 300,000 people and displaced millions between 2002 and 2008, according to the UN, attorneys for BNP Paribas said it had no knowledge of the human rights violation and that the plaintiffs would have been abused or tortured. Despite the bank's operations in the country, Sudan would and did commit human rights crimes. Without oil or BNP Paribas, the plaintiffs will be awarded over $20 million. Their lawyers say their case may open the door for 20,000 other Sudanese refugees in the US to seek billions of dollars in compensation from the French bank.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not that we care much about Sudanese in America. I mean, I didn't see any protests about the 300,000 dead people.

[Adam Curry]

Nah, who cares?

[John C. Dvorak]

No juice. No juice to blame it on. Here's. You know, since that's Right.

[Adam Curry]

Bank National Perry Bus, I think is what it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

The last the P stands for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's. It's the biggest one. And so they were, you know, funding that guy.

[Adam Curry]

I. I don't say, you know, they're doing banker stuff. They're giving money to people.

[John C. Dvorak]

All wars are banker wars. I'm not, I'm. No disagreement from me. There's. And now, now we've got our boys. Hey. France is weak. I know. Let's put in the call to the boys. Down again to just one.

[Adam Curry]

A credit ratings agency, Standard and Poor's, has notched France down to A plus.

[John C. Dvorak]

One month after Fitch did the same.

[Adam Curry]

A plus, it means.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, from. From double A, from AAA to double A, to A.

[Adam Curry]

That's way down.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's horrible. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

They think the country will be slower to repair its finances and repay than previously expected.

[John C. Dvorak]

We expect policy uncertainty will affect the French economy by dragging on investment activity.

[Adam Curry]

And private consumption and therefore on economic growth.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a slap in the face before France's fractured parliament begins debating a new budget on Monday. The downgrade is an unusual move outside of regular scheduled updates and came at the end of a turbulent week in which Prime Minister Sebastien Le Cornou survived two no confidence vote votes and pledged to suspend a highly controversial pension reform. Reacting to the rating, Finance Minister Roland Lescure said it stressed the importance of approving a budget by the end of the year.

[Adam Curry]

The agency highlighted France's very good fundamentals. We have a diversified economy, resilient growth and a high level of savings, which is really important.

[John C. Dvorak]

As hard as passing a budget will be, it's only the beginning.

[Adam Curry]

S and P projects that France France's debt will rise to 121% of GDP.

[John C. Dvorak]

By 2028, 9% more than last year. Next Friday, fellow credit rate of Moody's will reveal whether they too are downgrading France. Of course they will.

[Adam Curry]

Of course they will. Because the other guys did, of course, the first one. That's why they did it out of order. They said it was not normal to do it outside of their quarterly changes, so they just jumped on board. No, we're not going to. No, we did it. We did it already. It's for the reputation of Standard and Poor's. That's the only reason they did. Out of the blue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. Of course.

[Adam Curry]

So Moody's will do it and so then. Then next thing, it'll be down to an A. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And of course, the pro. It's. It's. I mean, we have 125 debt to GDP, I think, but we. We have our own money.

[Adam Curry]

No, we don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

125. What is it?

[Adam Curry]

No, it's way below that. It's over 100. But it's not 120.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I thought I was. People always told me.

[Adam Curry]

No, I do not.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, ask the robot. All right, let me ask the robot. Hold on a second. Hello, robot, where are you? Where's my robot? What is the current US debt to GDP ratio? A GDP ratio usually means a figure. I don't need. I don't need a lesson in gdp. I'll try it again. What is the current United States GDP to debt ratio? The current United States debt to GDP ratio is about 119%, meaning total debts a bit over 36 trillion. Okay, well, so she says 119. All right, so it wasn't way below.

[Adam Curry]

No, well, I thought it was less than 119.

[John C. Dvorak]

Way below.

[Adam Curry]

So I'm not. It wasn't way below. It's just below.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but they don't. But they don't control their own money. They don't get to print it. They don't control.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, there's a big difference.

[John C. Dvorak]

They may have a French lady running the show, but I don't think she has any affinity towards France, per se. She's an international banker. So. Yeah, you know, Meh. I think.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're screwed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think the war is on.

[Adam Curry]

This is Greece all over again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Greece was a little worse. And it was their own people, their own European brethren doing it to them. Them, you know, which of course, should bring us to what's happening in Ukraine, because that is the next step for.

[Adam Curry]

The Couple clips on this. I have some analysis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I have some analysis, too. We'll go with your analysis first.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, go with my analysis first.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Clip one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, I thought you have no leading. You're just like, you're not going to tell me where the.

[Adam Curry]

No, I got. No, I know because you just clip this random Ukraine analysis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but who, where are they from? What is it? What is it about?

[Adam Curry]

These are, these are from npr. May even be Scott Simon's boys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, if it's Scott Simon, I'll be mad. There we go.

[Adam Curry]

President Trump says he wants Russia and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ukraine stop fighting in their current position.

[Adam Curry]

I warned you.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is an outrage.

[Adam Curry]

Because you didn't get to play the Scott Simon jingle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Suffer and succotash.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Scott.

[Adam Curry]

Simon. President Trump says he wants Russia and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ukraine to stop fighting in their current positions and start setting up a ceasefire. Amid the comments Friday after two hour.

[Adam Curry]

Meeting in the Oval Office with Ukraine's.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Zelensky, who told reporters that he.

[Adam Curry]

Agreed he is right. President is right and we have to stop where we are. This is important to stop where we are and then to speak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Getting there, however, remains a challenge and Ukrainians say largely because of Russia. NPR's Ukraine correspondent Joanna Kakisis in Kyiv joins us. Joanna, thanks for being with us. Thanks for having me on the show. Scott, how are Ukrainians reacting to President Trump's latest proposal to end the war? Well, Scott, Ukrainians certainly want a ceasefire. They want an end to the war which Russia started. And they certainly see that this is a war of attrition and Russia is larger and has more resources. In Kyiv, we spoke with Vladislav Kavrilov investigates Russian war crimes here. And here's how he put it. He's saying that the war is depleting Ukraine, that there are not enough people or resources or emotional bandwidth to keep fighting indefinitely. However, like many Ukrainians, he says that a ceasefire favoring Russia would only open Ukraine to future Russian attacks. Now, as President Zelensky tried to convince the Trump administration that accommodating Russia is not going to lead to peace. So, Scott, before I get into that, let me point out that Russia actually began its war on Ukraine back in 2014, seizing parts of the south and east. Now, Russia agreed to previous ceasefires during.

[Adam Curry]

That stage of the war, but repeatedly violated the terms.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then in 2022, Russian forces tried to invade all of Ukraine. So Zelensky told reporters in Washington that to make a current ceasefire work, you need to strengthen Ukraine and force Russian President Vladimir Putin into concession. Okay, a couple things. First, interesting, interesting that this started when Russia took over Crimea. Forget all the other stuff that happened in 2014, by the way. It turns out, Boris, forget the fact.

[Adam Curry]

That this is what democracy looks like. They voted. Yeah, the public voted in a democratic fashion in Crimea and voted for the Russians to take over. That's what democracy looks like.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's not what democracy looks like, because it's not Russia. Right. It turns out Boris Johnson, when he went in to stop the peace negotiations, he brought in one of his big donors to his. His outfit, his organization. And once the peace process was stopped, that guy donated a million pounds. Just one of those little irritating little things that pops up. The second thing. You know what I'm missing? Besides endless war footage of all the people being killed in Ukraine? I know it's available. Please don't email me and say it's on telegram. I know. I'm talking about mainstream visuals. We've had it. Of everything. Of all the wars that are important to television, they show it. So this one is just not important. And what I never see or hear is man on the street. Can I hear one Ukrainian voice just once? I don't ever hear a Ukrainian person speaking about what they think about what's going on. It's always some analyst.

[Adam Curry]

I have seen and heard this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, then we need to bring some clips, because I'm skeptical. I don't see any of it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're saying that the whole war is a scam, is a fake.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm saying that they're not being honest about it. And maybe the Ukrainians are really sick and tired of this. And it's not just. Well, you know, it's hard to get people to fight.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not going to argue against that, because they should be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I'm sure they are. Sure they are. All right, let's go to clip two.

[Adam Curry]

For us, all the signals from Russians, they're not new.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we count on President.

[Adam Curry]

On his pressure on Putin to stop this war.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by pressure, he means additional US Sanctions or supplying Ukraine with American weapons like the Tomahawk cruise missile, which can hit targets deep inside Russia. I'm also. I got to stop here. Why do we not have protests against these completely misnomered, misnamed weapons? They should. I mean, isn't you mean by the.

[Adam Curry]

Native Americans, by the indigenous people bitching and moaning about that tomahawk?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. What do tomahawks do? Do they scalp the enemy? I mean, this is. This is an outrage that we keep calling them Tomahawks on npr, but the Trump administration has not agreed to either. Can President Zelensky do anything more to convince him? Well, that's not clear because he could do a dance. You know, Ukrainians often see their diplomatic efforts fall apart after Trump talks with Putin, which he did before Zelensky's visit. And Zelensky, by the way, has spent of the time, most months working on his relationship with Trump, which got off to a very rocky start at the.

[Adam Curry]

Beginning of the year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ukraine has also signed a minerals deal with the Trump administration. Zelensky offered cutting edge drones in exchange, maybe some Tomahawk cruise missiles. Ukrainian diplomacy did seem to pay off last month when Trump suggested Russia was weak and Ukraine could even win this war. But Zelensky walked away Friday with not much of anything. And Trump and Trump said he will meet with Putin soon in Hungary. Do Ukrainians tend to believe that President Trump alone can convince Russia to agree to a ceasefire? Well, that's interesting you asked that, Scott. I have some man on the street interviews from actual Ukrainians and here's what they have to say. You know, some Ukrainians are skeptical. I spoke with Oleksandr Kryev of the.

[Adam Curry]

Ukrainian PRISM Foreign Policy Council in Kyiv.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he said Trump won't be able to negotiate any kind of ceasefire involving Russia without China, which supports Russia politically and financially. But that wasn't the question. Scott wanted to know about Ukrainians and you give us some console guy. See, this is, this is what bothers me.

[Adam Curry]

They're just some guy that runs an ngo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're just playing games. Okay, what's this last one?

[Adam Curry]

Short.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is short.

[Adam Curry]

Short. China is the only one who can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Influence Russia to stop hostilities and to.

[Adam Curry]

Stop the attacks and to stop the war as a.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is. So basically, without substantial push from China and without substantial push from the United.

[Adam Curry]

States on China in order to push.

[John C. Dvorak]

On Russia, I don't think anything will be done. He says the next steps might be clearer after China and the US fight.

[Adam Curry]

Out their trade war.

[John C. Dvorak]

Turns out that the Ukrainians speak perfect English, but we don't have any men on the street. Okay, so I have a few clips here of Zelensky in D.C. and what was different is this was more like a board meeting. So I found the setting to be interesting. This wasn't a come and sit down in front of my gold fireplace. This was, come on, I want you to come into the boardroom here, Volodymyr, why don't you sit down and why don't you Tell us what you want.

[Adam Curry]

US President Donald Trump is backing off on providing Ukraine with long range Tomahawk missiles, something his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is still lobbying hard to receive. Ukraine has such thousands of our production drones, but we don't have Tomahawks. That's why we need Tomahawks. But United States is a very strong production. And United States has Tomahawks and other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Missiles, very strong missiles.

[Adam Curry]

But they can have our thousands of drones. That's why where we can work together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where we can strengthen American production. This is hilarious. Hey man, we got awesome drones. Give us some Tomahawks. What kind of deal is that? We don't want the Tomahawks. That's ridiculous. I mean, the drones, it's just, it's like, oh, we have thousands of drones. Why don't you stick them up your butt? We don't need the drones. What are we gonna use drones for other than to terrorize our own people over New Jersey?

[Adam Curry]

Well, that'll be late later. Well, so the thing, the other thing is we, you know, there's got to be a, at least in the meetings without Vladimir, where they say, you know, if he gets a hold of these Tomahawks, he's going to send one right into the Kremlin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. Well, actually, there's a little more to the Tomahawk business. But first, let's go to my boy, my boy from Candanavia, Rasulas, Andrew Rasulas. I got a rundown from him once again.

[Adam Curry]

We haven't heard from him for a couple of weeks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, because it wasn't interesting, but now it's interesting again, so they get him back in. And of course, what happened in the backdrop of all this is the Trump Putin phone call.

[Adam Curry]

Well, certainly the conversation that he had.

[John C. Dvorak]

With Putin at Putin's request on Thursday.

[Adam Curry]

Seemed to make a very significant impact on Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

We saw that display in yesterday's meeting with Zelensky in the open news part.

[Adam Curry]

Where we could actually watch the conversation.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I watched Trump very carefully, and he seemed to me to be very convinced.

[Adam Curry]

Not that there was a guarantee at.

[John C. Dvorak]

Achieving a peace settlement, but that there.

[Adam Curry]

Was a real prospect, which is why he's going now this distance to a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bilateral summit with Putin in Hungary. And maybe about four weeks from now.

[Adam Curry]

We'Ll have to see sometime in November, I would imagine. But there was a shift.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, so the Russians said something.

[Adam Curry]

Or Putin said something to Trump in those two and a half hours that we, of course, do not know what that was.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we know based on Trump's reaction.

[Adam Curry]

That Putin must have convinced him based on two, probably two tracks.

[John C. Dvorak]

One, one is something about the Ukraine war, that maybe there's some movement possible from the Russian side, and two, the bilateral side.

[Adam Curry]

This is the ongoing American and Russian attempts to rebuild the bilateral relationship, which.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is very important to both Trump and Putin. So anyways, all that led to Trump being convinced it's worth a shot and.

[Adam Curry]

Diplomacy is back on the track.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so something happened. We don't know exactly what, what.

[Adam Curry]

I think it has to do with the previous clips because he didn't put two and two together here, but I'm going to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I think it has something to do with China.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he actually does go into this in a later clip here. But first we need to talk about the Tomahawks. And again, I mean, I think it was almost more insulting to have Volodymyr Zelensky sitting there saying, hey man, I got a thousand drones, give me some Tomahawk. I mean, even price wise, it doesn't make any sense, but the Tomahawk turnaround is on deck here.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think the turnaround is predominantly diplomatic. I mean, yes, the United States has to maintain its stockpile and there was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Never any talk, even when Trump was suggesting that they might sell Tomahawks to Ukrainians.

[Adam Curry]

The numbers floated in the press were.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like 10, 15, very small numbers and not all that significant in the battlefield context. You would need hundreds of these missiles.

[Adam Curry]

To really be effective strategically. They need to be fired in salvos and so on. So that, so there was always this sort of limitation from Trump. He was, I think, mostly using it.

[John C. Dvorak]

As a kind of a rhetorical push against the Russians. And it may have succeeded because he.

[Adam Curry]

Got a phone call on Thursday from Putin.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I thought that to be interesting. I don't know much about the Tomahawk missiles, but. But I guess that they're not just good just having like 10 of them. You gotta have hundreds of them in order for them to be effective. Well, that's what he said. That's what he said.

[Adam Curry]

I know, but that's not the case. It's a cruise missile.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, don't they have.

[Adam Curry]

You need hundreds of cruise missiles? They used to use them in the Middle east from the side they shot them off of ships and there'd be one shot off and then another there'd be like two and they go all. I think those are the things that may have, have hit one of the Iranian nuke plants. You don't have hundreds of them. I don't even know if we have that many. We're bitching and moaning. We haven't got enough Tomahawks. It's not like a little bitty thing. It's a big, giant missile.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Subsonic cruise missile.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And it floats around, loaded the ground so the radar can't catch it, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

They can't stop it with, like, their own Russian iron dome.

[Adam Curry]

There is no Russian iron.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how do you know? We've never tried it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we don't want to find out by sending a cruise missile to Moscow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Obviously, you don't want this dancer to have any Tomahawks. That's obvious. That's just no good even.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even if there was a deal on deck, we're not going to do that. And I think you have to have US Guidance in order to use those. I don't think they just light the fuse and go, all right, put your.

[Adam Curry]

Fingers in yours and put their hands over their ears.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think that's how it works. So, of course, we had the Bible bilateral coming up in, in Budapest, and there could be some issues with the European nations. They will. I mean, there will be certain countries.

[Adam Curry]

That will insist on what, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

What they would say, the rule of law and the adherence to the International Criminal Court. On the other hand, it's well known.

[Adam Curry]

These provisions can be waived for special circumstances.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it can be waived to achieve a diplomatic meeting that is certainly within the construct of the law.

[Adam Curry]

So exemptions are permissible.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so, you know, he would have.

[Adam Curry]

To get a flight plan and so on. If you look at the map, I did a quick look. Black Sea to Mediterranean international airspace.

[John C. Dvorak]

You'd have to cross Slovenian airspace and.

[Adam Curry]

Then Austrian airspace to get to Hungary. Those would be the minimum amount of European countries that would have to grant him airspace privileges.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I think under the circumstances, I.

[Adam Curry]

Would be surprised to find those countries or any other countries really stand in the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, well, I do have the latest out of Brussels. This is the second daunt to Queen Ursula cautiously welcoming the Putin meeting. Putin Trump meeting in Budapest The European.

[Adam Curry]

Commission has cautiously welcomed the announcement of.

[John C. Dvorak]

A summit between the American and Russian.

[Adam Curry]

Presidents to find a solution to the war in Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

The meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir.

[Adam Curry]

Putin could take place within two weeks.

[John C. Dvorak]

In Budapest, although no further details are available at the moment. What I want to convey from the European Commission point of view and from President von der Leyen's point of view, first, to repeat, that any meeting that moves forward the process of achieving a just and lasting peace for Ukraine is welcome. The location of the meeting is politically significant.

[Adam Curry]

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban is seen.

[John C. Dvorak]

As close to Donald Trump as well as to Vladimir Putin. Furthermore, Viktor Orban is at odds with the European Union regarding its stance on.

[Adam Curry]

The war in Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cautiously. Cautiously.

[Adam Curry]

I think that was an interesting clip, the previous one about how it's illegal, actually, to have Putin go to Budapest.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Because he's indicted by the International Criminal Court, which is part of the eu, and so they have to arrest him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, he. I think what he said is that they can.

[Adam Curry]

No, then he said that they can get an exception.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Which has to be done in writing or just somebody says it, or the whole thing. Bullcrap.

[John C. Dvorak]

In triplicate with carbon copy paper. All right, we got some stamps here. All right, you're good to go. You've got passage. And then Queen Ursula, this. This was puzzling to me. This is her response to the let's put ceasefire in big quotes. And seems to be still some. Some firing going on in Israel between Israel and the Gazans. War is over. So I guess now it's time for Europe to do something. The devastating war in Gaza has now come to an end, marking a pivotal.

[Adam Curry]

Moment not only for Galaxy Gaza, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also for the European Union and the wider Mediterranean. Marking the moment when the future of the region is being rewritten. Europe has a stake in shaping a future and prosperity because this is our common region and we want to play our part as partners. And this is our commitment to our shared Mediterranean home. Our shared Mediterranean home.

[Adam Curry]

When did this happen all of a sudden?

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably during the Eurovision Song Contest. I'm not sure. So here' they have the whole system for it. In an increasingly competitive and contested global.

[Adam Curry]

Economy, our economic ties with our southern.

[John C. Dvorak]

Neighbors have already grown stronger.

[Adam Curry]

Trade between the European Union and the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rest of the Mediterranean has increased by over 60% in the last five years.

[Adam Curry]

Our value chains are more and more interconnected, so we should work on a deeper integration.

[John C. Dvorak]

We should simplify making business with each other and we should create new ties.

[Adam Curry]

Between our industries, our universities, our institutions. This is why today we are making.

[John C. Dvorak]

A clear offer to our neighbors. Let us create a common Mediterranean space.

[Adam Curry]

With a goal of progressive integration between.

[John C. Dvorak]

The two of us. And this is the essence of the Pact of the Mediterranean. The Pact of the Mediterranean.

[Adam Curry]

See, this is exactly what Trump knows isn't a good idea. Let the Arabs run the place.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they're doing a pretty bad job. Some breaking news this hour. The Israeli military has confirmed that fighter jets carried out airstrikes in the Rafah area of southern Gaza on Sunday. The army says the strikes were in response to attacks by Hamas militants on Israeli troops. The militant group Hamas has so far not commented on these strikes. Meanwhile, the Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt is still closed. It had been hoped that eight trucks could start using the crossing from Monday. But Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu says it will remain closed until further notice, adding its reopening will depend on Hamas handing over the bodies of the remaining deceased hostages. Israel says it has identified both bodies of two deceased hostages that Hamas has handed over on Saturday night. Hamas has so far returned the remains of 12 identified bodies out of 28 deceased hostages. So what happens now?

[Adam Curry]

Now here's the problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

These guys died maybe over a year ago, and they started stinking up the place. They buried them all over Gaza. There's a bunch of corpses, and so they're using bulldozers. They say they have to dig up, trying to roll these guys out of the graves. You know, they're not like in a coffin. And so they got a bunch, you know, they're not going to get all 28 of them because most of them are decomposed.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, but that's, that wasn't the part of the report I was focusing on.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. But the part of the report I was focusing on was the guy says, because the Israelis are making a big fuss about where's our dead bodies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I understand, but that's not why they were fighting. Apparently Hamas is still shooting at the IDF behind the yellow line or whatever it is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the unseen yellow, the magical yellow line. Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

But don't we have. Where are the Arab troops there to go and stop and say.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's the question. And the Indonesians are supposed to be there. You know, they should have, these guys should have been there by now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it doesn't seem like they're there yet.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I agree with that, too. Yeah, so, but, but they're never going to get these bodies back. Most of them are dissolved.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was, that was probably a little trick. They were the, the Benjamin Netanyahu had up his sleeve. Oh, we'll never get it back. So we can go and strike him again.

[Adam Curry]

I, I, I believe that's a possibility.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we see.

[Adam Curry]

Just not, I think not. Netanyahu is just not, you know, he's, he's out of control.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he just announced he's running again. I don't think he's got the.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, the public is so irked by him. If he gets in again, then I have to say the elections in Israel are rigged.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I agree, but who will get in? Is. Is the. Is the question. If he doesn't get in, who will it be?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. Probably some Jewish Jew.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, speaking of Jews, there's. It seems to be quite a problem with the. With the upcoming soccer match, the football match in Birmingham and this whole thing is a mess. Yeah, here's the report. This is gbn, so take it for the slant they have. Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have been banned from Aston Villa's Europa League clash in Birmingham. Birmingham over quote, safety fears. Many residents have raised concerns about the football match which is due to take place on the 6th of November. Maccabi Tel Aviv. We've all seen those harrowing images from Amsterdam. I've started a petition to boycott Maccabi Tel Aviv. There is no space for violence or any thugs to come into Aston or indeed Birmingham. That is why I urge everyone to sign up to this point. Petition, boycott Maccabi Tel Aviv. Yes. So Jews aren't safe in Birmingham. Aston Villa football club were Jude's play Makabi Tel Aviv in the Europa League. That was local MP Ayub Khan, one of the infamous Gaza gang, and he did that ridiculous video. And then now this has happened, hasn't it? This is a statement from West Midlands police. This decision is based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including violent clashes and hate crime offences that occurred during the 2024 Europa League match between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv in Amsterdam. Okay. It's not really about safety. We all know what this is about. We all know. And today the government released this statement. You have to step up in relation to defeating antisemitism. Action is what matters and we're absolutely committed to that. The discussion we've had this morning was not about words, it was about what are the actions that are going to follow through from this. But it's amazing, the Keir Starmer doesn't know whose side to be on now. Like, well, you know, we don't want problems with the Jews, but we don't, you know, you can't really come or you can, you can't. And of course, all of these cities have become completely overrun with Muslims and the Brits are tired of it. This is Matt Goodwin, he's a conservative journalist. Again, gbn. Keir Sama says he is shocked by the events in Birmingham where police, supported by local independent Muslim politicians, have banned Jewish football fans. Fans of the Maccabi Tel Aviv team from coming to Birmingham, our second major city. This is a national disgrace. This is absolutely appalling. But I have a question. Question. Why is Keir Starmer shocked? This Muslim sectarianism is exactly what the Labour government and Keir Starmer have enabled for many, many years. It was the Labour Party that gave us the policy of mass uncontrolled immigration while not even bothering to integrate our communities. It was a Labour Party that recognized Palestine at exactly the wrong time. The Labour Party that allowed the pro Hamas, pro Palestine hate mobile marches on the streets of our major cities with no pushback at all from the police. It was a Labour Party that mainstreamed two tier policies in our police forces, encouraging them to prioritize some minorities over others. And it was a Labour Party that simultaneously berated millions of people in this country for being racist, for being far right when they highlighted to some of the problems that we can now see very clearly in cities like Birmingham. Keir Starmer and the Labour government are now only just beginning to see the downstream effects of the policies they have been promoting for much of the last 30 years. It's a national disgrace. Jews should be able to go wherever they want in Britain. There should be no. No go zones for Jews in this country. It's absolutely shameful. Yeah, well, it is what it is. Britain.

[Adam Curry]

No go zone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no go zone for Jew. No Jews here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Which brings us to that hate note we got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which one? There's a couple of them. Some good ones. Yeah, some good ones. What was the one? I mean, here's what I get. John blocked me. So I'm going to email you, Adam, and tell you how much I hate John. I get that all the time. Time. Yes. No, you. I know you blocked this guy. I know you blocked him.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I may have blocked him, but it's not because he's. Because of anything. He's. Well, no, it is. I block a few people.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is.

[Adam Curry]

This is nuisances. I block a nuisance again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, I'll read it to you. Well, this email was blocked as well. Looks like I've made it on the John's blacklist. There should be an award for that. There should be a.

[Adam Curry]

For a donation of 500 bucks, you can be on the block list.

[John C. Dvorak]

I could use another email address. But it seems clear that John would rather not deal with constructive criticism. Hence his go to choice of a red herring or straw man fallacious argument in response to constructive criticism rather than dealing slash growing, slash improving Regarding an issue when he's wrong. And this was. This was the guy about the warrant versus Weren't. That was. That's. That's the guy. I mean, I don't know why you blocked him. Cause you did.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember. You know, I may have blocked him after that last one. It's the same note. He sends it over and over and over and over and over. And I, I did. I don't like getting into a dialogue with people that keep repeating themselves and. And they keep belaboring the point that I say, okay, fine, you're right about it dramatically. But I didn't think it was funny. This guy wrote about saying I shouldn't have said when I wrote the script for Cronkite, saying if I wasn't dead, I'd like this show. And he says, no, it should be if I were. Weren't dead. And I said that it's not going to be. It's just not funny. As funny as saying wasn't. And he said, well, that may be true, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. Blocked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't you just ignore the emails? Just ignore them. You don't have to answer everything, but when you block someone, it's an aggressive move. And in today's day and age, it's.

[Adam Curry]

Seen as, you know what, from now on, I'm gonna. There's another mechanism that this system uses called a black hole.

[John C. Dvorak]

Put him in the black hole.

[Adam Curry]

And I just put him in the black hole. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can already predict the emails I'm getting. Well, looks like I got put in John's black hole. So I'm gonna email you about how mad I am at him. It's amazing. Although I did get a good one today. I got a fun one.

[Adam Curry]

There was a. There was a letter that. It was better. The one that would bitched about us not liking Tucker's commentary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, okay, yes, but I predicted that would happen.

[Adam Curry]

Right. And I sent you a note back saying you were dead on. On this. But that note is worth reading if I could find it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, I can find it. It's. What happened to you guys?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's the one. Yeah, that's when it always starts off. You would get these notes from people that what happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

So just to reiterate, you brought in kind of rather oldish clips from Tucker with Sam Altman, and we were literally deconstructing the reason for this, what he was doing, what it was about. And I think our deconstruction was pretty spot on. It's like this was, you know, this is what you do. You need inventory. You got to create stuff. You got a name, you got Altman. You talked about his language being actionable. What else was there to say? Well, apparently we did it all wrong. I tried listening to the latest episode today, but couldn't even finish it. Not a Tucker Carlson fan in particular. Barely even watch his show. But what you call media deconstruction right now is just shitting on someone's character because of emotional disdain. What's the emotional what? What emotional disdain?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know of any emotional disdain that we.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have emotional disdain towards Tucker?

[Adam Curry]

I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was literally nothing of substance you two had to say about that Altman interview except shitting on Tucker. Oh, he's accusing him. He just wants views. I remember you two doing the same thing when commenting on the interview he did with Ted Cruz. Zero substance, 100% disdain. It's like you two have Tucker derangement syndrome or something. This is, this is actually what I.

[Adam Curry]

Like about is he starts it off by. By using the. The concept that I never listened to Tucker. I'm not a big fan yet. All he's doing is defending Tucker. If, like it's is you that the letter may have come from Tucker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the thing. But this is what's puzzling to me because as I said, because I said, hey, you're going to do anything about a podcast, we're going to get hate mail because it's like shooting inside the tent, man. And I think we literally did media deconstruction. You said, hey, it's media. And so he says, if you want to do actual media deconstruction, how about you go over his talking points, maybe try to debunk them or see what his sources are. What is that? That sounds like journalism. We don't do that. We. But we literally talked about every. Every single talking point tick Tucker had that would be actually interesting to listen to. He says that would actually be interested to listen to. But I won't nitpick. No, no. Instead you two bicker about his ads. No, we didn't. We just say that's what it's about. If this is the level you two have sunk to, it's no wonder he makes better quality content than you. In fact, it would not to. You two are in desperate need of a reality check. I already stopped my donation some time ago. Exactly. Because of the behavior and bizarre out of touch takes like that. Please get your act together so some of us with common sense and above average emotional intelligence can actually enjoy the show again. I think he wants second half for show back. I think that's what he's saying.

[Adam Curry]

More flying saucer stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

It would be widely appreciated because I have fond memories of what no Agenda used to be. And if I didn't think you had it in you, I wouldn't be writing this message. We have gone through this so many times. Whenever we have a different take on something which isn't the narrative of the podcast, then we get these kinds of notes and it's okay. And you know what? You don't have to donate. You're not, you know, it's like, it's fine.

[Adam Curry]

I doubt if he ever donated.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think he did.

[Adam Curry]

I've been around long enough to know people that say, well, you cancel my subscription.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've unsubscribed from your podcast. I did like this one that came in. Dear Adam, two things. One, I cannot stop singing the Secretary General song to myself. It is by far.

[Adam Curry]

I have the same problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

But wait, she says it is by far the most powerful jingle ever used on the shore on the show. Even more than Dvorak.org Nick DNA so she likes the show, likes the jingle. And by the way, the whole point of a jingle is to be an earworm so that you it sticks in your head. And if you're singing on jingles, that's success to me. 2 I free I I firmly believe that John and his family are hoodwinking you with this be nice to John stuff. Either. Either they this is good. Either they are creating multiple email addresses, whatever, or otherwise planting seeds. I like John very much, but he's very mean to you. And she has some examples. If you come up with a joke, he jabs you and says, where did you get that from? You didn't write it. Even on the last episode you mentioned knowing where the triangle in San Francisco is, and he said, you must have looked it up. That's some serious do that. Yes, you do that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you must have looked it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Oh, you say that all the time. You. You looked it up. That's some serious treating you like a beta male. Meanwhile, John does the. John does those long periods of silence. Instead of commenting on your clips, he just tells you to play his clips. Also, you put.

[Adam Curry]

Did you write Tina wrote this? Did you say Tina? Athena Snyder.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also, you put so many much work into making the show sound professional. And he talks while you play the jingles, blows his nose, turns his headphones up, which you don't wear, which is probably him being professionally contrarian, but he's gone off the rails and it just seems mean. Yes, there have been times, especially back in the weed days, when you are too touchy, but overall, there's not an issue with the way you treat John, in my opinion, is an issue in the way he treats you. There you go. So she's. I'm being victim. Blames that. I agree. I agree. She's spot on. Spot on with that.

[Adam Curry]

All right, people, you know what to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, that's great. And if anything, these notes keep it going for me. I did get one other note about the, you know, the video versus audio.

[Adam Curry]

We still get. I got a. I got a. I ended up chatting with Brunetti about that.

[John C. Dvorak]

This. Well, I'm more interested than that. What did he say?

[Adam Curry]

Ah, you know, it was the same lecture that we get about, oh, you know, the reason you want to do. He said. And he was just coming from a meeting with some guy at a bar. So I'm wondering how it would kind of.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was. He was.

[Adam Curry]

How lucid.

[John C. Dvorak]

He actually was plastered.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, maybe. But he did say that, you know, you can get to. You get the audience built. You know, it's about the audience. You get the audience because you get these mini clips and, okay, the clips get out there on the YouTube and the two guys. He says, I know, it's. He kind of liked the idea, but at the same time, he couldn't sell it to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, of course he can't, because he wants people to watch his movies, that he doesn't want them to be watching clips of his movies. So, like. Well, I saw the clips. That's what happened to south park now. Oh, I saw. You didn't watch. You didn't even watch south park when Trump was sleeping with the devil. I saw enough clips. I don't need to watch that.

[Adam Curry]

That's right. It's true. True. The clips. Yeah. In fact, most of the Joe Rogan stuff is now just clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Absolutely. Megyn Kelly.

[Adam Curry]

The Joe Rogan meme where Joe Rogan says, hey, go to that video. This is the best thing I've seen forever. And then they say random video.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It's not even from the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do want to point out that if you go to Bingit IO, which is powered by Clip Genie, you can. Can specifically make a clip. You can highlight the text in the transcript and make a shareable clip right on the spot. So it's not true. It's just not true. You can do this, do this. But this producer was saying, you know, you don't know about the learning pyramid, the cone of learning.

[Adam Curry]

Did I see this? Was I cc'd on this? I think I cc'd on because I remember something about the. It was hard. I could not get through what he. I did. I think I sent a note back. Maybe you're right. If I could ever figure out what you said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think what he was saying is that the learning cone or the learning pyramid basically works like this. 80% retention practice by doing hands on activity. 70% by discussion with others. 50% by demonstration, watching someone else do it. 30% watching video videos. 20% reading. And the lowest 10% is by listening. And my point was we are actually doing something at the top of the learning pyramid. We are teaching people to listen because there's no video for the. As you explained on the last show, because there's no video, you are forced to listen and you hear a lot more. You hear. We hear stuff that we didn't hear even while we were clipping it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, sometimes the third time. Yeah, I've more than once I have clipped something. I go, this is good. I clip it and then I produce it to put on the show. Then when I hear it on the show for the third time, maybe the fourth, I pick up something new. Yeah, happens all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

So, yeah, you're not distracted by. By Newsom wiggling his shoulders around and doing some jerk off moves where it looks like he's jacking off two horses. You know, that kind of thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, okay. I didn't see that one coming. Two horses. So there's been some updates on the Gen Z revolutions that I want to get into because we have a lot of Gen zers in the audience and we're very proud to have these. They are the good zeds. They are the winners. They are the future generation of winners. But I was astounded. There's a game show called the Floor. Are you familiar with this game show?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, very familiar with it. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're familiar with it?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I've seen it a couple times.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is it on? Where does it air?

[Adam Curry]

I believe it's on. It's either on Fox. I think it's on Fox, but it could be on abc. But I think it's Fox.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see. Yes, Fox. Yeah, Rob Lowe, he hosts it. Rob Lowe, Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Rob Lowe hosts it, Hosts it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Funny enough, it's an original Dutch game show. How about that?

[Adam Curry]

No, that makes sense because the whole show, the Premise for the show never made any sense to me. I watched it.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is the premise?

[Adam Curry]

It's very spectacular to watch.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is the premise of the game show? It's a trivia show, isn't it?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. They ask you these questions and you have to form, you have to get a line in the floor and the floor lights up. It's very, it's over. It's one of the, of these highly produced game shows.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's an endermal show is what it is. It sounds like an end. Like the guy, John the Mole, the guy who does all those things, Big Brother, all that stuff is from him.

[Adam Curry]

So whatever it is, it's, it's visually stimulating.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay? Visually stimulating. So they have a, a contest, you know, as part of. I've not watched it. I'm gonna have to watch the show now.

[Adam Curry]

Ken's not gonna lie. Like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so I was sent, I was sent this clip. I could not for the life of me find the original. This is, you know, recorded from tv. So I, I fixed the sound somewhat. You'll get the idea it's not all that bad in this case. And so they. On this. So there's two contestants, one on the left, one on the right. And on the screen they flash up clocks like you know, a church tower clock. Clock. Then there's a digital clock showing 1930 instead of 7:30. And literally the, the object of the game between these two human beings, adult human beings, is to tell me what time it is by reading the clock. 10, 10, 12 o'.

[Adam Curry]

Clock. Wait, what?

[John C. Dvorak]

5, 5 o'.

[Adam Curry]

Clock?

[John C. Dvorak]

11:30. That is 255 or 155 2. 250. 150, 95. That is, that's 5:10. So in what world do you, would you ever expect to live live where there would be a game show where adult human beings were tested on their ability to read clock.

[Adam Curry]

That's unbelievable. And then they also had the 24 hour clock digital.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that was most people because it said 1930. 7:30. 7:30. Got it. 7:30. I mean, huh.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh. That is that to me that maybe I'm just an old fuddy duddy.

[Adam Curry]

You are.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that really surprised me. It surprised me.

[Adam Curry]

It's ludicrous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, are you Familiar with the 67 do what? 6 7, baby.

[Adam Curry]

6 7.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're not familiar with 6 7, 6 7, 6 7. You don't know about the 6 7? You got kids there, they're not talking. They don't laugh at you when you say six. They Say seven. Six. Seven. Six, seven.

[Adam Curry]

No, if I say six, they say seven.

[John C. Dvorak]

Six, Seven. Five. Six, Five, six.

[Adam Curry]

We are back. We're back with something you're probably very familiar with, probably also very confused about.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you spend any time around a.

[Adam Curry]

Teenager or even a tween as well. I'm not even going to do the hand gesture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there it is. We're talking about 6, 7, the slang.

[Adam Curry]

That kids just cannot stop saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

But now some teachers in schools are saying they've had enough. We see Savannah Sellers is here with more. Hey, Savannah. Six, seven, six, seven. You've got the tone down and everything. Good morning. You got to do the hand motion with it. So this first went viral last year. Here's the thing though, it really means nothing at all. But unlike most Internet trends, this one seems to be sticking around, prompting some teachers to set some new rules in the classroom. Six, seven. And so I've been, I've been waiting for a report like this because I've been seeing this go on for a while and it was just. There never was any.

[Adam Curry]

Where have you been seeing it? I have never seen this anywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I actually look at TikTok once in a while. Like the real TikTok, not the filtered down libtard nut jobs that you watch. But actually what's happening. What's. What, what's.

[Adam Curry]

That's an example of him being mean to me, ladies and gentlemen. You just heard it right there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I'm sorry, I apologize. Is that okay if I apologize?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't care if you apologize or not. I just want to point it out that this woman, when Tina wrote that fake letter in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tina is actually always on your side. To be honest about. She's like, you know, you should be a little nicer to John.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she's actually a Christian.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, because then she says, because, you know, he's old and we gotta be.

[Adam Curry]

Nice to our elders. There it is again, ladies and gentlemen. You just heard it.

[John C. Dvorak]

6 7. A meme Kids can't get enough of and teachers can't get away from. We are not saying the word 67 anymore. If you do, you have to write a 67 word essay. Some schools even banning the phrase in classrooms. You are no longer allowed to say, what number do you think I'm gonna say? 6 7. Caitlin Soriano is a seventh grade math teacher. How much are you hearing and seeing 67 in your class room all day every day? It is non stop throughout my class, the hallways, the cafeterias. She says she banned the term last year after it became distracting for students.

[Adam Curry]

This has been going on for more than a year.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's been going for a while, I think, for it since 2024. Yeah, we're leaning in and we hope that if it is embarrassing enough for the adults to be doing it, that. That maybe they stop. The trend took off a few months ago, but has re intensified with school back in session. Thought to originate from a rap song by Skrilla. But the experts we spoke to say the numbers really don't mean anything. It's like slang to like, make parents.

[Adam Curry]

Be like, what does that mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, baby. It's just the latest example of slang through the years.

[Adam Curry]

Eat my shorts.

[John C. Dvorak]

From the hippie generation where things were groovy and far out to the 90s where everyone was asking, what's that? If you're wondering what the skibidi is going on and how all this brain rot is getting to us, you're not delulu. It's all pretty Ohio, but the kids, they just want us to let them cook. As for parents, they're feeling the pain too. According to a recent study, 35% say they struggle to understand their kids slang vocabulary and 56% say their kids feel.

[Adam Curry]

Cringe when they try and use slang to communicate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you think that your mom and your dad or your teachers are getting a little annoyed of it? Yeah. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Is that going to help it? No.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, and that's really the point. And there's an outro clip to this. But so the. The thing with this is it's being done specifically to annoy your parents. And that's different from any other slang that I can remember. I mean, we had all kinds of terms.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, the chat room is going to have to chime in on this because I'm trying to think. The point you're making here is that is this a new phenomenon just to find a way to annoy parents? I mean, kids have always annoyed parents in all kinds of different ways by not doing stuff. Stuff. You know, you didn't do this. You didn't do that, which annoys parents.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is. But this is a disrespectful annoyance. You heard those why?

[Adam Curry]

I want to hear from the chat room.

[John C. Dvorak]

You mean the troll room? Yes. Well, what do you want to hear?

[Adam Curry]

I want to hear why. Why? How has this ever happened before? Is there any other example?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't think. Just think about your own. My own youth.

[Adam Curry]

That's why I'm trying to think. I can't come up with anything. That's why I'M asking the control room to help.

[John C. Dvorak]

We never had anything that we purposely used to annoy our parents.

[Adam Curry]

And parents, honestly, I don't believe that's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you said something to annoy your parents, your mom would whoop you upside the head. Shut up. That's my point. It's more the parents who should say who shouldn't be. I don't understand what your cousin. Stop annoying me. Get out of my house. Here's a hundred bucks. Run away from home. That's what I. I got. Here's $100. You can run away from home, but you can't come back.

[Adam Curry]

Is that what happened?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, my mom actually did that. I'm running away from home, having a little knapsack. Okay, well, here's $100. I had a knapsack. Yeah, I saw. That's another drawing. Knapsack on a stick over your shoulder.

[Adam Curry]

You brought this up before that you ran away from home.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, and then my mom gave me 100 bucks and I walked down the street under the tree. I'm like, this sucks. I'm going back. This hundred dollars is not going to do it for. For me.

[Adam Curry]

But you should have gone back and said, I spent 100.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, I mean, we've had lots of terms, lots of slang, but this is. It appears specifically to mess with your teacher, mess with your parents. And I think, parents, parents, they need to stop this. Like, hey, stop annoying.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't even know this was going on, so I have no thoughts on it, but I'll think about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here. Here's the NBC Today.

[Adam Curry]

I guess the troll room has come with nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they got nothing. They got nothing. Here's the NBC Today show with all the slang they can think of from back in the day, but it's completely irrelevant to what this trend really is, which is to annoy your parents. And I think parents should just stop. Stop. The children. Stop it.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe the kids aren't getting enough attention.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there you go. And by the way, It's. It's not 67, of course, but this is 41. Do you know what that means?

[Adam Curry]

What does that mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

That one.

[Adam Curry]

I've heard it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It started with the Rizzler and doesn't also make sense. Maybe, you know.

[Adam Curry]

No, but you're.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're exactly right.

[Adam Curry]

It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a. It is an adjective used to describe excess. I have an idea. What if we call six seven. When adults kill a fun trend. This trend. Thank you. 86.

[Adam Curry]

That's 86.

[John C. Dvorak]

86.

[Adam Curry]

We 86.

[John C. Dvorak]

67. Is the new 86 Dylan's been trying to bring back. Bring back is. He's heard kids say it in school. Rusty called me over yesterday. He's like, mom, can I have a kiss? And I go like all the way over to give him a kiss and he's like, psych. Oh, that's good. Well done. That's a good education he's getting. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So, you know, for what that's worth, let's. Let's bring that one back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another one you slap your kid for. Don't do that. 73 is the new number. Seven threes. I don't know. This. Something about this, the way it's. It bothers me. I don't know why. I don't have any kids. I need a grandkid to boss around. That's what I need. That would help me.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I like six Threes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Six Threes.

[Adam Curry]

The Rebelizer donation and we are working on a challenge coin. So just to let you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so let's. Let's look at what Gen Z is doing around the world. Let's see how things are going in Peru. In Lima in Peru is for a 32 year old demonstrator killed on Wednesday during anti government Gen Z protests. People gathered at the site where he died. A police officer was detained in relation to the shooting.

[Adam Curry]

They are killing us during the protests.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are taking away our rights and leaving us at the mercy of extortionists. They are killing us. So we have to protest. We demand not only that these mafias.

[Adam Curry]

Stop destroying our country, but also that they stop justifying their criminal actions.

[John C. Dvorak]

The government on Friday suspended the Lima police chief over the protests. Anger centers on corruption and worsening crime. Tension persists despite the removal of the deeply unpopular President Dina Baloarte earlier this month and her replacement with Congress Speaker Jose Heri. This is really quite a good regime change method to just get some Gen Z letters into the discord, get them on the streets and then have mayhem take place and blame it on Gen Z. So they already got rid of the. The president and so they brought in a replacement guy. Then we have Madagascar. The UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres has issued a strong condemnation of the recent unconstitutional change of government in Madagascar. He's now calling for an immediate restoration of constitutional order and respect for the rule of law in the country.

[Adam Curry]

In a statement delivered by UN spokesperson.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stefan Dujarik, Guterres expresses backing of the African Union's decision to suspend Madagascar from all activities within the bloc. The Secretary General condemns the unconstitutional change of government power in Madagascar and calls for the return to constitutional order and the rule of law. I think it's amazing that some Gen Z protests are, are turning out this way and no one is seeing this. They're not seeing what's actually happening. This is regime change. Could be us, could be the French.

[Adam Curry]

Could be the French, could be the Nordic North Sea nexus. I mean, it could be. The question is, who is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

But it's not happening here.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's happening. That's a clue. And it's happening again after. After a brief pause in Morocco after almost 10 days, young Moroccans resumed their.

[Adam Curry]

Protests in front of parliament on Saturday.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're demanding government reform, education and health care while tackling corruption and a cost of living crisis. This protest was organized to unify our ranks and coordinate our demonstrations and sends a message to the authorities. Even though we paused for more than 10 days, we are continuing and will continue until our demands are met. Not just in words, but in reality. We want to see solutions that satisfy us and make us feel that our daily sacrifices are worthwhile. It was the first demonstration since King.

[Adam Curry]

Mohammed vi addressed Parliament 10 days ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Following weeks of unrest. But he didn't mention the Gen Z movement directly. And his call for job creation for young people and improving healthcare and education left many of the protesters unconvinced.

[Adam Curry]

Whether, whether, whether this movement will listen to this kid.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is a Moroccan Gen Zetter who sounds like he's been on American Discord for several years.

[Adam Curry]

Whether, whether, whether this movement will bear its fruits. I think it's very soon to tell though.

[John C. Dvorak]

There will still be, you know, political.

[Adam Curry]

Changes that will come and the other upcoming days. And up until then we cannot really predict what's going to happen because, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Know, in politics there are lots of.

[Adam Curry]

Variables that enter in the equation. A lot of things can change.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa, whoa. He just went into straight up yank.

[Adam Curry]

Talk between two days, like, you know, so I think that it's too soon to tell. To tell, but obviously the youth is. The youth are hopeful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Young people taking part in Saturday's protests say the movement has not lost momentum during the break despite some reports to the contrary. I don't know, man. There is something afoot here with the Gen Z protests.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's definitely something. And it's a scheme because it's just not one place and it's always. It's the same model and it's being dumped here and there because it's a model that works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So that means there's something behind it. So it's either the CIA or one of our intel people, agencies, or military intelligence. Who knows? I think it could be us, but it could be international communist conspiracy. It could be a lot of different things. We have to figure out who it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we have boots on the ground everywhere, so I'd love to see if we can get a little bit more on this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's. It should be. We should be able to figure out who it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And why.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, some of it's against bricks. We know that. That's what. Wasn't Peru about bricks?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I thought. I thought Peru.

[Adam Curry]

Peru is the outlier, it seems to me. I don't see where. How Peru fits into it at all. Well, although maybe look at you once you ask the robot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Peru. Screw the robot. Bpc, the BRICS Policy center receives delegation from Peru. There's a lot of Peru in brics, in the news. How about Madagascar? Let's see Madagascar. Because that would be us. I mean, if that would be us. Yeah, let me see Madagascar.

[Adam Curry]

And the fact that we can do this. This. Well, is. It's a good sign.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, let me see Madagascar. I don't really see anything about Madagascar and bricks, but it's all Africa, you know, so it's. Do we have interest in Africa?

[Adam Curry]

We're trying to take over the place.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, then that's us.

[Adam Curry]

And move the Chinese out so we can get those minerals. Well, we need rare earths, our technology require. Because the little magnets, those little super powerful little magnets require rare earth elements, a couple of them in particular. And we need them. We never needed them before, but we need them now big time.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, what else you got? John, I'm sure you have some interesting stuff for us.

[Adam Curry]

I got a little religious breakdown here because we like to talk about that. And this is part of. I did one for the last show. We've never played it. But this is different. This is about. Although we can also go light. We talk about Taylor Swift and her marketing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's do. Let's do npr. Religion. Npr, Religion first. Then we'll go light with Taylor Swift. And Taylor Swift better be good.

[Adam Curry]

One or the other before the break. It seems to me we got plenty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of time before the break. We can do both.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's go Sociology of religion. This is a sociologist, and I thought this was interesting because of the. Because of the rationale for what's going on. He thinks that religion is. This is different than the last report, which we never played. This guy says religion is becoming obsolete.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, okay. University of Notre Dame sociology professor Christian Smith has spent his career studying religion in the US he has a new book titled why Religion Went the Demise of Traditional Faith in America. Smith says that word obsolete doesn't necessarily mean religion is useless or lost. It's more about how religion is viewed across generations. By obsolete, I mean to focus more on a cultural realm, the cultural status of religion. Not just, you know, how many people go to church or pray, but sort of traditional religion's role in the larger culture. And, and so the idea is just what we mean by obsolete. Traditional religion has just for most people, been replaced or supplanted by other things that have come along. The image I use in the book is what PCs and laptops did to electric typewriters. People can still use obsolete things. I have college students that use electric typewriters and I have CDs. And it's not that it's extinct, and it's not that the obsolete thing is worse than what replaced it. A lot of times the obsolete thing is better, but just it's not as much referred to or practiced or easy to pull off than the thing that people are most into at any given time. Oh, interesting. Well, I take a little bit of. I think there's a lot of. When you say religion, I mean that to me doesn't mean Christianity, that can be Islam, that can be Buddhism, that can be all kinds of religion. And I would say that's what he.

[Adam Curry]

He would agree with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so. And I would agree when he talks.

[Adam Curry]

About Christianity, he's really more. More or less referring to the established sects, the churches, the Methodists versus the Presbyterians versus the congregations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, again, that to me is. Is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but that's what he. He's all in on everything you say there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, but what my point was going to be be that religion has only gotten more intense with climatism, scientism.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's got that covered too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so let's get to the crux of the matter. Why are people turning away from traditional religion? What did you find? Yeah, so my argument is that the causes of this are not recent, that they're complex. There are many. I use the image of a converging of perfect. There's a lot of technological factors, economic factors. And so, you know, religion has a smaller pool of a market, so to speak, to draw people from. So it's not a matter of, for the most part, sort of an atheist, scientific, rationalist rejection of religion. It's just a sort of a. Nah, doesn't fit, doesn't work, I don't need it. Well, you say that 1991 was a.

[Adam Curry]

Crucial turning point one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why is that year so crucial? For starters, that was the year when the number of Americans in national surveys who said they were not religious started to rise. Prior to then, every survey, about 6 or 7% of Americans said they were not religious. 1991 was the first uptick and it's been growing ever since for three decades. The end of the Cold War happened in 1991 and that was really consequential for America's self image in the world, its mission and place in the world. We used to be during the Cold War, even if people weren't religious as a nation, we conceived of ourselves as the God fearing religious liberty nation fighting against the atheist commonness. And after the end of the Cold War it wasn't clear like that evaporated and it wasn't clear who we were, what our place in the world was. And economy was changing and so the American dream was starting to become less and less, less available. Okay, well that's just some stats. Okay, that's probably true.

[Adam Curry]

Well then he comes up with a laundry list of changes that have taken place. And I, and I'm there's kind of an ask Adam here, what's the one he leaves out? You'll see if you can spot it. But when he talks about the 90s starting in 91, we started to enter the Clinton era in 92 and it got full blown. This was the most prosperous period of time I've ever experienced in my life.

[John C. Dvorak]

In fact, didn't the religion in those early 90s wasn't that greed is good? Wasn't that Wall Street, Wasn't that the religion?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know if that was the religion per se, but I do know that there was a lot of money flying and the American dream was doing quite well for itself. So I think he's wrong about that. But then he goes through this laundry list of the changes and I there are these moments in time. 91 is a good time to put it, you could say 92, 90, that period of time there was a massive big changes took place. But then he goes through the little laundry list here and then he leaves one out.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was a growing sort of dissatisfaction with the standard American way of life and declining trust in political leaders. Lots of other cultural things happened. In 1991, James Hunter published this book Culture wars putting a name on the polarization that's happened ever since music changed the era of 1980s big hair bands was liquidated by grunge and other movements. It's not that everything changed in 1991, but that that was a pivot year. And over the next two decades, all of these profound changes in culture sort of worked their way, way out. Oh, you mean Monica Lewinsky, Bill Clinton.

[Adam Curry]

What did he leave out of that list? It's a little list, but it's not long. But he, he never. In his whole presentation. That's the last clip I have. He goes on about some other stuff here that's quite interesting. It's a very good piece. The Internet. Oh, of course, he never mentions the Internet. 91 isn't. When. When the browser came up in 91, we were talking about the Internet a lot because I was on Gopher and your buddy Gopher and all these other things were out there and people were talking about the Internet and everyone. We all had Internet email addresses. You got them one way or another. And the Internet is what really happened in 1991. And it just exploded with the web, which was the. There was that period between 91 and 93 where people kept. If you remember, and you do that period of time where people said, oh, oh, that web is not the Internet. That's the web. The web is. The Internet is this and the Web is that. They had to differentiate between the Internet and the web.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the Web.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And everybody went. Made a big fuss about that, that differentiation, and that differentiation disappeared completely. We don't. No one has used that. That comment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. But in fact, no one even knows what the web isn't anymore.

[Adam Curry]

That's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just open your browser. What? Yeah, it's Safari. Oh, okay. Now I have duck, duck, go.

[Adam Curry]

So I would say that the Internet became the religion. He never gets into. Never mentions that once. And he goes on and on, and he talks about this third thing that took place, which is spiritualism, which is kind of not religion, but it's like everyone still has to be. Have a spiritual angle. And it brings in all kinds of problems.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've actually seen. That's a good point. I've actually seen surveys that show that more and more Americans are saying they are, quote, spiritual. And I certainly think that the American church is definitely breaking apart. We're seeing huge splits in churches, certainly with the traditional, like Methodist, Protestant.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he goes. Clip. Just 10 clips from this, I'm sure you presentation. Yeah, he got. He goes on about exactly what you say and says that the problem with these churches is they have not fundamentally. That's why I think it's Interesting that your church has a number of little factoids that it pulls off that I think, I think which will be. Create a revivalism, I think, which is the socialization thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Which is a lot of churches become social. And I came up with this thinking about this because I did a hit on Chanel's show on Friday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I missed it. I hit a Chanel hit.

[Adam Curry]

And she, she, she was. This discussion was about this country and western guy who's been. Who's a left winger and how about country and western is, you know, they're trying to move in on it. But she said, she made the comment that there was a large. The country and western music is the largest genre that is growing the fastest and asked me if I had any idea, boy, this might be. And I said maybe it's because country and western at least has to do with relationships and boys and girls and the idea that you can, you know, there's love songs within country and western genre as opposed to shooting somebody or bitching about immigration status in a song. And so you end up with this kind of the need for socialization. And I think the churches that do well. Well are the ones that are pushing that part of it. They have their message. But they could. But the, but the idea that kids in particular, young ones, the Zeds, they, you know, they haven't been, they don't have. They was a big story that was going around all this last week on the mainstream media by one of the high schools that cancel all their dances. It's insane because nobody was going to go to the dances. Yeah, it's like that brings back my old point about the song cop. And so I think churches have their opportunity to help kids socialize because it's a, it is a place where you can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Meet people and, and I will say that more so, yes, non denominational churches, I think are doing quite well and they're growing and they also have very young pastors. You know, when I say young, I mean 40s. And this is a very different breed, a very different genre genre then. And there's, and the music is actually much closer to country and western. It's all Nashville. All of the, the Christian contemporary music comes out of Nashville now. And they're, you know, they're, they're, they're. Ann Wilson, traditional country artist. Boom. Moves right over to Christian contemporary Jelly Roll. You know, this, this guy is the furthest thing from Christian contemporary music. Has a number one hit with Brandon Lake.

[Adam Curry]

Never heard of any of these.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. I know. You Haven't. But, but in the legendary words of Lonnie Frisbee, there's a whole generation out there just looking for God, man.

[Adam Curry]

I think they're looking to meet a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Girl and that too. I mean, we have the Catalyst group on Wednesday nights and I actually, I go in Wednesday to help these. There's two kids, they're 14 and 16. They're doing a podcast. So I set them up and the church is actually building podcast studios and everything.

[Adam Curry]

Do the newsletter on Wednesday days?

[John C. Dvorak]

Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes. No, during the day. I don't know. I might have been doing something. No, I was, I was on in Austin last Wednesday and I did it on Wednesday. What are you talking about? I did it in the car. I pulled over to check the newsletter. Yeah, I did, I pulled over. That's. This is my dedication to the show. But they have, they have Wednesday nights and the kids are playing music. They got a band, you know, and they are socializing. So. So, yeah, yeah. And I think that is on the upside.

[Adam Curry]

You used to socialize when I was a kid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Everything was socialized. I mean, they had parties on the weekends. We had community centers, we had schools that taught you how to do dances whether you liked it or not. They had sock hops and dances and proms. And one thing there was a socialization thing, was extremely important. It's been lost to gender studies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, it's coming back. And all these churches.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it is. All these.

[Adam Curry]

Not in the schools.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, not in the schools. But you know what, you know how many churches are now starting schools? It's an enormous amount. They're, they're bringing, they're starting schools as affiliated with the church. Starting in the church. Then they, many of them have now have buildings with hundreds of students, you know, and it's an outgrowth of the homeschool movement. Yeah, no, there's. But all of these, all of these non denominational churches, churches, they're all pushing culture. Actually, funny enough, the Seven Mountain Mandate is how you could look at it, which I don't think anyone's really part of the new Apostolic Reformation, the way NPR might categorize it. But they are saying, hey, look, this is our country and if we don't have God in our country, then our country's going to fall apart. That's not a new message message. That's an old, very, very old message. About 250 years old.

[Adam Curry]

Let's go to Taylor Swift.

[John C. Dvorak]

Speaking of the devil. Let's bring in Beelzebub herself.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, now, I didn't know this was going on, and I didn't realize it's been going on for a while. Do you realize that her last album, the Showgirls album, she has 39 versions of it?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm sorry. I totally. Look, I'm giving you license here, but. Because 15 years. No, maybe it wasn't 15. I don't know how 10 years ago you identified Taylor Swift out.

[Adam Curry]

No, it was longer than that. It was about 15, 16 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

You identified her right out of the gate with her noodling, and you're like, there's something up with this girl. And I remember, it's so long ago, Andrew Grumman was still hanging around. Although Andrew Grumman is part of podcasting 2.0 now, and his daughter was all into Taylor Swift and you. So I give you license on the Taylor Swift business beat. But no, John, I did not know. She has 39 versions of the album.

[Adam Curry]

This is un. This presentation, which was on npr, is one of the kind of lunatic presentations where they bring in these goofballs and they're like, yucking it up constantly. But they do bring out some marketing. Taylor Swift, to me, is a marketing genius, and that's where she really stands in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, somebody is some. She or somebody.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's her. I always, you know, was her dad. I think her dad taught her well. I think she's the one that's doing it all. But here she goes.

[John C. Dvorak]

As of this recording, there are 38.

[Adam Curry]

Variants of new album, the Life of a Showgirl. But are all these variants fan service or fan exploitation? We're getting into it with Stephen Thompson, host for NPR Music and Pop Culture Happy Hour, and Ann Powers, NPR music critic and correspondent. And, Stephen, welcome to the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you so much for having us. Because, you know, it's. I'm sorry, what? It was. So show. Is this on the radio? Is this only a podcast? What is it? Was this on the radio? Yeah, it's Taylor season. I feel like every season is Taylor season. When you are the main character in our lives, every season belongs to you. Taylor is the climate crisis of popular music.

[Adam Curry]

She's also the actual climate crisis with how much she uses that private jet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gloves are off already.

[Adam Curry]

I love it. My gloves are always off when it comes to Taylor Swift. All right, but, Steven, Ann, can you name any of the different variants?

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's one that's like. That's Showbiz Baby Edition.

[Adam Curry]

Very close. You're thinking of the baby that's show business vinyl collection. And I'll give you some of the other names.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was the deluxe so Punk on.

[Adam Curry]

The Internet digital version. The Sweat and Vanilla Perfume, Portofino Orange.

[John C. Dvorak]

Glitter Glitter, all one title vinyl version.

[Adam Curry]

And also the Alone in my tower acoustic CD version. That's just a few. Like I said, there's 38, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

27 physical 11 digital.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now there's a couple ways to look at this.

[Adam Curry]

You could call all of these collectible variants, as some have said, exploitative or manipulative. Maybe for Rabbit fans, You know, they can't not buy all this. On these other hand, you could call this fan service because Taylor Swift is not forcing anyone to buy her music. Her fans of their own volition are the ones putting in their credit card information.

[John C. Dvorak]

Plus, you know, a lot of fans.

[Adam Curry]

Are collectors and like having special Violet sparkle or blue shimmer vinyl, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Buying a vinyl also could be a good investment. Can we go back to the church talk? No, this better get good.

[Adam Curry]

This is good. You're listening to a marketing genius at work and what they're doing and. And the thing about these, she's do.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's.

[Adam Curry]

She has an audience that is buying 38 copies of the exact same product. And they're not buying one or two, they're buying all of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

And these, it's just different packaging. It's the same songs, but different.

[Adam Curry]

No, they had like different colored vinyl. There's a different names on each album.

[John C. Dvorak]

Packaging. Yeah, different packaging. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you think you. I know what you were thinking. Which is, well, maybe some bonus clips on there. Or maybe there's a different version of the song. Used to do that too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Outtakes or you know, studio. Studio floor stuff. No, none of that.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it's just different packaging and each one being a quote unquote collectible. And of course it turns out that they are because of the. You know, it's like anything else that's a collectible. Is there a market for it? Are they. Is it getting bid up? Well, let's listen to part clip 2 here.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of our producers has a rare.

[Adam Curry]

Swift vinyl that is currently selling for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Upwards of $11,000 online.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Right?

[John C. Dvorak]

So before the Swifties come for me, I know that Taylor Swift is not.

[Adam Curry]

The only one releasing all these album variants. I mean, for example, Travis Scott and Follow up Boy, they each released 31 physical variants of their 20, 23 albums.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I will say Taylor Swift gets.

[Adam Curry]

The most attention for this business tactic. Why do you think she's the one who's seen as preying on her fans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think part of it is that is the downside of being the biggest. Right. And being the main character in our lives makes her a very rich and juicy target. So it's easy to. To kind of single her out as an emblem of the problem. But, Brittany, like you said, there are many, many, many stars in pop, hip hop, R and B. K pop. My God. Where this is just standard operating procedure. Yeah. I have to add, let's think about Taylor Swift not as our bestie right now, but as a product. And I want us to think beyond music because other products are sold in exactly the same way. And I'm specifically thinking about my daughter's favorite soda, Mountain Dew. My daughter loves Mountain Dew and she.

[Adam Curry]

Has to have every new flavor.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she knows, which I didn't know, that there are certain flavors that are only sold through Taco Bell or only sold at Walmart. And there's infinite varieties of basically sugar water. Right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is marketing beyond pop music. But because Taylor is also an artist and has been so insistent on being an artist, to view her as a product feels somehow offensive. Bringing up the other side of this.

[Adam Curry]

Issue, which is, is the music worth this fetishization?

[John C. Dvorak]

And there's been a lot of debate. And I would say, even though I still think this album is more enjoyable and think it will last longer than.

[Adam Curry]

Some people do, but the commentary I've.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seen, it's really like. Well, there's 38 variations. And also the music is terrible. Well, so this is not entirely new. We've had picture discs. We've had all kinds of marketing packaging differences. For many artists throughout the ages, it really is also the only way you can make money. Yeah, she gets a lot of the Spotify money just by default. But really, you want people buying packages, you want them buying products. Product. And that's. Is that any different from Beanie Babies or Cabbage Patch Dolls or anything like that?

[Adam Curry]

Of course not.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

But. But there's a little gotcha in here in the last clip, which is the interest. Little interesting thing about this. If you're like, she brings out 38 copies of the same album, and you're a collector, you're nutball.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know anyone like that.

[Adam Curry]

I don't. I would be shocked if you did. I know, but there are people that are out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

There.

[Adam Curry]

The Swifties, Comey, for example. Justin Trudeau, he went to her concert.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's because they like young girls.

[Adam Curry]

Say you buy 10 or 20 of these things. Billboard says that's 20 sales. It helps you get to number one. It's bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Does that really matter anymore that you're, that you're number one on a chart in the industry?

[Adam Curry]

Doesn't to us.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't. It makes a difference to any. I don't think the kids care anymore. The kids.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think the kids ever cared when I was a kid. I never. I'm 16. I bought some 45s. Well, during the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, the way the.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't care what Billboard had to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, the way the industry used to work with radio when radio was the predominant distribution mechanism instead of Spotify or Apple Music or Amazon or whatever you to used using it was important because the higher up you are in the chart, the more you got into rotation on the radio stations. That's all that it was about. I don't think any kid really cared that it was number one. It was all about radio rotation. That's an industry I happen to know about.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, well, there's still, there's still. Billboard has not gone out of business, barely.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're hanging on by their fingernails as opposed to.

[Adam Curry]

Well, why are they in business? There's a question, since you know that much about it. What's keeping them alive and why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

They got to be some.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't, I don't know if they're alive. Well, during this clip, I'll look it up and I'll tell you if they really are in existence as opposed to.

[Adam Curry]

I guess if there had been 38 versions of folklore. Right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, you know, and then all the critics would be like, oh yes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh please give us the, you know, flower press version that has the dried unicorn blood. I will pay for that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because the music is, is so exquisite.

[Adam Curry]

Also there were variants on folklore, but only 20 variants as far as I can tell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Now let's not forget that Taylor, you know, has been a best selling artist for nearly two decades and her efforts.

[John C. Dvorak]

To sell physical albums go way back.

[Adam Curry]

To like the beginning of her career. There was for example, her partnership with Papa John's for her 2012 album Red. Where I mean, this is a good deal. Mind you, for $22 you could buy a pizza pizza and Taylor's new album.

[John C. Dvorak]

And have them delivered to you. Just a side note, just a side note.

[Adam Curry]

Those Papa John's boxes were printed with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Taylor's album cover on them.

[Adam Curry]

And you can buy one of those cardboard pizza boxes for $513 on eBay right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh my Gosh. So I wonder what's different now.

[Adam Curry]

Like, why is this grinding everybody's gears?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's just proxy rage.

[Adam Curry]

Say more, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

People are very mad in general right now about everything. And Taylor Swift is. She enters into this conversation with an album full of songs that are flaunting her material success, her partnership with an equally wealthy. Not equally wealthy, but okay. Not equally fair. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

They both click.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clear.

[Adam Curry]

A certain Barb.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. With a wealthy guy.

[Adam Curry]

I will say she is also a billionaire.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here comes a billionaire in a feather boa. It just drives everybody crazy. I'd forgotten about this. Penske bought it five years ago. Penske Media. It's like. It's like a vanity ownership. Oh, I got Billboard. Now I can hang out with Taylor Swift.

[Adam Curry]

That could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not a very valuable property. But I think what's more interesting with Taylor Swift is that, yeah, you need to be a real person. My buddy Vic was with his wife Chris. They stayed over for the weekend. They're from Dallas. And he used to be in the music business. Wrote and produced with all the Jersey Shore guys, all the hair bands, Alice Co Cooper. And he's. And he's now doing. Just for fun, he's doing music on Suno. And he says, you know, everything has changed now. Everybody can. Everybody can make any kind of song. And he gave me. He created his own Taylor Swift, you know, with. It was a great title. You're my next last boyfriend. You know, I wish he had left. It's fantastic. He created the look. Everything he said. This is. The only thing missing is an actual. I forget what is. What name he chose for her, but the actual physical person. And I think we're not gonna. We're not far away from going back to kind of the days of the early 80s, Milli Vanilli, where you just have a song. As long as you can attach a human being to it, you can have a Taylor Swift type experience of fame and kids going nuts for him. And I have to say, for all the things I don't like about AI, I think we should just go full bore. Just flood the zone.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, flood. I want as much AI. End of show mixes. I want our musical. I mean, come on. I'm actually.

[Adam Curry]

We already got the art.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, yeah, but I. I want people.

[Adam Curry]

And I've got the end of show. The end of show blurbs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blurbs.

[Adam Curry]

Or half of those are AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Well, but those are just annoying. But I'm talking about, like, I want the real.

[Adam Curry]

Because I'm Doing it. You heard that everyone, right? I mean.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, no, I. I want the. I want some songs. I want some real songs. Let's do it. And you know what the great thing is about these songs? None of them are you.

[Adam Curry]

You. You disparaged Nico Sime, who is our great songwriter that was doing this. He stopped.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I did. I played him. What are you talking about? I didn't disparage him at all. I played them because he's actually good.

[Adam Curry]

He is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So. But I want more of them. The best thing about all these songs. Songs is that you can play them on a podcast because they're not registered with ascab. Bmi. There's no physical licensing required. She just.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's an interesting point.

[John C. Dvorak]

I could do a. A music show with all AI music and it would probably be pretty good. But no one's registered. No one's. No one even. No one even knows what to do.

[Adam Curry]

We need an ASCAP for AI. AI Ask A.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's do AI Scap. AI scap. No, not at all. This is the great thing, is that.

[Adam Curry]

That'S an exit strategy. Are you kidding me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, please. Exit strategy? No, I want all kinds of great songs, but they have to be short. Make them a minute, a minute and a half. That shows the true professional prompter.

[Adam Curry]

And yeah, if you can keep them short. That's the problem. And then I can publish schedule like the AI says. Oh, a song tribute. 2.2 minutes.

[John C. Dvorak]

There are people who know how to do it. They know how to do this stuff now they're figuring it out. It's. And it's. I'm okay with it. And then maybe, you know, we. Here's the exit strategy. We pick one of these songs that's really good, you know, like a Nico Sime toe tapper. And then we find some teenage girl to lip sync, and then we create a star out of her. We could be the new Hitman makers. Because that's all you need to do. You just need to attach a human being to it, and then, boom, you fill up the stadium.

[Adam Curry]

It's just that easy.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's that easy. And with that, I want to thank you for your courage in the morning. To you, the man who put three C's in the. The church. Sock hop. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. In the morning, you, Mr. Adam Curry. In the morning. Ships to see Boots on the ground feet Subs in the water all the dames and knights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, good Morning to the trolls in the troll room. Here we go. 1865 at the peak. Okay, 1865. These trolls are in the troll room. You can find [e-mail] or you can listen to them on. You can join them. I should say listening live in a modern podcast. I got an email this morning from someone who said, hey, man, Apple and Spotify aren't uploading your podcast anymore.

[Adam Curry]

I sent it on to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I'm like, they sent it to me. I don't know why people send me this stuff. It's not my job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so first of all, we are not on Spotify.

[Adam Curry]

No. We never have been.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Because we. We will not.

[Adam Curry]

So why would you think we. Why does anyone think we were?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's why it's kind of problematic. And then, you know, I go look at Apple podcasts, and yeah, we're there. Our latest episode is there. But I think the problem is that people are still in these legacy apps and then, you know, they see it show up on no Agenda show and like you do. You forgot to upload a Apple podcast, which is not how it works. But. Okay, I don't expect you to understand how it works. But that's just the legacy apps. That's the legacy system. You want to get out of that. You want to get a modern podcast app. And, and even Pocket Casts, I think they, they. I believe they. I don't know if they use Pod Ping because someone said, hey, man, it's two hours late on. On Pocket Cast. Well, that's because Pocket Casts may not use Pod Ping that. You can go to podcastapps.com you can see exactly who uses Pod Ping, and that's the one you want to use.

[Adam Curry]

What was that URL again?

[John C. Dvorak]

Podcast apps.com plural podcast apps.com. that's what you want to do. So we've been talking about AI, of course, even though it's not a huge lift anymore, it still does take actual creativity and humor to be able to create something that is worthy of becoming the show art for the no Agenda Podcast. And I'd say 90% aren't able to do it, which it's okay because it just, it clutters everything up and it's hard to, you know, you just have to look through more submissions, which I quite enjoy because we go, oh, man, I could get something to complain about. But if you have it in you, if you have the, the, the humor and it's, it's all human element, and you can translate that through your prompt, you can Create some. Something that will be quite good. And I'm just. I'm pulling back from the generative AI. I'm okay with it. Flood the zone. I hope it stays alive. I hope it stays cheap. I don't know if it will. I don't know how any of it's possible for these prices, but. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Backed off from his position. Did you notice that, ladies and gentlemen?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. I still think it's going to kill our. Our young people with their chat bots. And I don't think it's proven any worthy worthiness in the. In industry or in business except for call centers.

[Adam Curry]

I can see it's harmful is the word you're looking for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, otherwise it's harmful and it's costing way too much money. But it's okay. We've been through these things before. What was it before this machine learning. Then it was cloud and then it was Internet of things. It's just another passing. And we'll. We'll have Quantum coming up soon. So just another thing.

[Adam Curry]

Client server.

[John C. Dvorak]

Client. Client server. Server. So congratulations to comic strip blogger. He prompted it properly and brought us no Agenda. The musical is the artwork. A lot of people did. No Agenda the Musical. Somehow he just got the right element of hokey looking dorks. He had the. Absolutely had the right. No Agenda in lights. No Agenda. The musical. It was perfect. I mean he did.

[Adam Curry]

He. He took about 10 stabs at it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he did. Oh, you. Yeah, he did. He had different. A whole bunch of different ones. He did.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. He was gonna. He was going for. He was swinging for the fences.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was. He was.

[Adam Curry]

And so he ended up, you know, hitting a homer. It's good. What happens if you keep swinging for this fences. The earlier version of the particular one that he picked is way down at the bottom. There's a version called Just Musical. I think this is his first attempt and it's terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see. And Just Musical. I'm looking for it now. I don't see it.

[Adam Curry]

It's not next to Trump. Peace. And.

[John C. Dvorak]

We also had a lot of people doing 78s which was. I mean, I think a lot of.

[Adam Curry]

It's eight rows down if you're four across.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am four across. Hold me. See? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, no, no, no. Well, you're right. So we. He kept stabbing at it and he came up with one that worked and, and we liked it. Let's see, what else? Did we consider anything else? Kind of thought Nancy Pelosi strung out as a Drunk was funny, but yeah, that was funny.

[Adam Curry]

That's right. Wanted to mention that we're never gonna use.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we'll never use that. We won't use.

[Adam Curry]

No, of course not. But that was a funny piece. Looked great.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, that's good. Probably prompting. We had several. Noah Jenner, the musicals. No, nothing there. Jeffrey, Ria. A lot of people tried the protein powder. I think we did waver a little bit on Nesswork's protein chips. Or at least I did.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You liked it? I was a. Well, really saw the comic strip blogger piece early and I liked it a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a good piece. Yeah, it was a good piece. And Scaramanga keeps threatening that he's going to do some video. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm all in. And where's our. Where's our Sora to musical stuff? I mean, people should be all over this. Now that I'm opened up, I'm ready. I'm going to promote this. I want tons of songs. We're going to publish the songs. We'll become a publisher of AI Songs. Because normally we don't do that. We don't put the songs in the show notes because that is actually an issue. Well, particularly if it's. If you're using copyrighted work, we can play spoofs and copy, you know, of copyrighted work. And parodies is the. Is the actual term within context of the show. That would be. I can defend that under fair use. If you start publishing that separately, that's a huge problem. So that's why people always ask, why don't you publish end of show mixes? Well, for that reason, now, if you're sending me AI stuff, we're going to start highlighting you. We're going to put you front and center in the show. Show notes. We're gonna. We're gonna. It'll be no Agenda Records. No Agenda Music. How about no Agenda Music Publishing? Namp. Namp. So catchy. So we will. We will promote you. We will promote you. And then, you know, maybe we'll find someone. One of our producers has a kid. Teach the kid how to lip sync. We'll make your kid a stick. Ah, it's going to be fabulous. So thank you, comics, your blogger, and congratulations, you hadn't had a win for a while and he's been prompting for many, many, many episodes. And he finally made it. Of course, we've been running Value for value. It'll be 18 years coming up in. In a week, next Sunday. 18 years of your no Agenda show We will be celebrating. We hope you join us for that. And we've been doing value for value for those 18 years. We're. Which means we give you the show right up front, open and available. There's no, no levels or subscriptions or anything. You got to jump around. You just listen to it. You subscribe to it, you listen to it.

[Adam Curry]

And if you feel, yeah, secret nose.

[John C. Dvorak]

No secret, no. No bonus content. You know, nothing behind the paywall. Oh, none of that. If you feel that you've received value from the show such as those that fabulous Taylor Swift segment or the Africa news. All things I know were grabbing someone's attention with that somewhere. If you're that one someone saying, you know, I never would have known about the Gen Z takeover, the Gen Z revolution, the color revolution of the Gen zers across Africa, then send us some value back. Noagendadonations.com it's that easy. We always thank everyone who supports us. $50 and above for each episode. Doesn't matter how much you send, as long as it's value to you, it's equal to the value you receive. We love the numerology of different types of numbers that are meaningful to you or to your group or your crowd or whatever. We love it all. And if you're fortunate enough to Support us with $200 or more, we not only will read your note that you send us, but we'll also give you the official show business title of Associate Executive Producer. It's a real title. Go [e-mail] people use it all the time there. Over a thousand producers, $300 and above. You become an executive producer for this episode, the no Agenda show. And we kick it off with Dame Sandler Cat. She's from Peru.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

So I'm thinking about the Zed thing you mentioned. Is it possible that the Moroccan thing was the first, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe so, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And that we can't associate that with bricks. Is it possible that the Moroccan thing was actually organic? And they said look at what is happening here, we can use that as the model.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. Because they stopped for 10 days and they started up again.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know, maybe the first round was organic and they started it up again to see if they could, if they could start it up again just to prove that the model works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you can know one thing, your no Agenda show is on top of it. We are watching Africa because no one else will. We're watching Africa. Dame sand cat from Pahrump, Nevada. 5, 1538, which I'm sure is $500 with $15.38 in, by the way. Did you see, I thought this was a scandal. Did you see what GoFundMe did that they've now been. That they admitted to have done? No, they started, started over a million GoFundMe pages for non profits who didn't sign up the non profits. They just got all the information from IRS from the PayPal giving databases. So if you have a non profit, there's a high likelihood that GoFundMe has a GoFundMe page for you. Now I think they, they do actually send the money to you. But you know, when you go on.

[Adam Curry]

Gofundme, you don't know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I've heard no one saying that they haven't received the money from GoFundMe. The exception people take to it is these guys. They suggest a tip for GoFundMe of 16%.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's like, it's like one of those pre check jobs. Like, hey, you know, just go ahead and help us out and so we can continue to grow. Yeah, I think this is a huge violation. Somehow you can't just do that.

[Adam Curry]

They did it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No.

[Adam Curry]

So opt in. As long as it's opt in.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean opt in? They just opted everybody in.

[Adam Curry]

I thought you said there's a thing you had to check.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but forget if there's a check or not. They just decided to go fundraiser.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not talking about to opt in for the, for the donation restriction recipient. I'm talking about the opt in for the 16%.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let me take a look. Let me see. Let me just go to a rando. GoFundMe random rando gofundme.com. okay, I'll just select one. Don't they have, don't they highlight one somewhere? Dear, Please help Steven's family. Okay, so we'll go there. I'm gonna hit donate now and suggested amount. So I'll do 200 bucks. Not really going to do it. Oh, right off the bat, add $30 to be in the top 5% of donors. Wow. Before. Oh yeah, there it is. Custom tip 16.5 pre selected.

[Adam Curry]

So you have pre selected.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So you have to move the slider back to zero. And the minute you do that, are you able to add a tip? Tips keep gofundme running so people like Reuben can get the help they need. It's that slider is Pre selected at 16.5%. So if you're not looking at it and you just hit your PayPal boom, you've already paid them. So it's. It's opt out. Scandalous.

[Adam Curry]

That. That's not good.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Scandalous. So with none of that nonsense at no agenda. But if you send the CH check, that $15.38 won't happen either. It'll be. What is it, 40 cents?

[Adam Curry]

40 cents? Probably depends after a couple hundred free checks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And you can send it right from your bank. You don't have to write the check out, although we'll appreciate that too.

[Adam Curry]

No, we like the people who write the. Yes, we like because it's personalized, you get it. And it encourages people to write checks and send. We don't encourage cash because, you know, you don't trust the mail that much, even though it seems to work fine. But it's nice to write your signature down and write the amount it gives you something to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Dame Sandcat says. This is Dame Sandcat to be recognized as Secretary General of Southern Nye County, Land of hookers and blow. And indeed.

[Adam Curry]

Is that right? That's the land of hookers and blow.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the land of hookers and blow. And this is the last opportunity. These will be our last Secretaries General, I believe. Is the promotion over now?

[Adam Curry]

The promotion will be over after midnight tonight. After midnight. Get your order up.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she says, rev Owl, please.

[Adam Curry]

R E S P I C T was funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of our producers went to the. He sent me like 50 pictures from the no Kings protest protest that he went to. And he sent a picture because he had a sign and he had a. Because everyone had handmade signs. He had a sign that said resist we much. And we must much, much about that. Be committed. Walking around with it. Yeah, it's a great deal. Thank you very much, Dame Sandcat.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Henry in Austin, Texas, right where you used to live. 500 bucks. ITM with this donation, I would like to be. ITM with this donation. That's funny. It actually says ITM period. With this donation, I would like to become the Secretary General of Shangri La.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice.

[Adam Curry]

Congratulations. Shangri La, that's good. Sir Henry Baron of Flowerland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flower fields.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Flower Field.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know how you got Flower Land out.

[Adam Curry]

Well, because there's a place down the street from me called Flowers. Flowerland. And it just sticks in my. When I see that flower part, I see that land all automatically appears in my brain.

[John C. Dvorak]

We shall make it so later on. And Sir Dan the man checks in. Haven't heard from him in a while. With $500. He says, Congratulations on 18 years. I would like to be named Secretary General of the Sunshine State. Thank you for your courage, Sir Dan the Man Earl of Southwest Florida. You got it.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. North. Oh, here's our North Idaho Sanity Brigade. Post Falls, Idaho, 333.33. On behalf of the North Idaho Sanity Brigade, here is a crowdfunded magic number donation courtesy of many of their attendees. Piling various amounts of cash into the center of the table.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice. Nice. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

I'm all in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

We have released the debut episode of our new hybrid hyperlocal podcast, no id as in North Idaho no id.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, cool. I like it.

[Adam Curry]

North Idaho. Cute. But also as in screw your cabal issue digital social credit credential thing. Every region should have its own no agenda because every region has a mainstream apparatus that propagates propagate propagandizes requiring deconstruction. Heed Adam's call. Like we did start a hyperlocal podcast. Thanks, Podfather for the inspiration, Sir Scott the Jew and the North Idaho Sanity Brigade.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is very interesting. I would love to host a no agenda network of hyperlocal podcasts. I happen to have the software for for it, so. And what you missed out on, Sir Scott the Jew and the North Idaho Sandy Brigade, is you didn't tell me where to find the podcast. Is it just no id? Can I just find that in every podcast app? Is it on the. Is on the index? Let me know. I would be more than happy to create the no Agenda podcast network. I think it's a grand idea. Very good. And sir, Commodore J. Stroke from Norton, Ohio comes in with an associate executive producer credit for his 23416 sense. ITM came across Citizen HTTPs Citizen Portal AI. It's a service in which you get AI generated summaries of local government meetings.

[Adam Curry]

Huh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not sure if you've heard of it. Oh, that's actually interesting. Is it free? How do they do this stuff for free? Yeah, I gotta wonder. Adam, your recommendation. Here we go again on hyperlocal podcasts made me seek out ways to be more informed locally, even if not doing a podcast, which is how I found it. Seems like the best use of AI that I've seen. It helps keep me just an average husband, father and night stay in the know on local government. I've been using it to follow a proposed data center development in my town. Check it out if you're interested. I know you guys are swamped with no Agenda and doing your round as podcast guests. Yeah, boy, we're so busy with the podcast guesting, but I felt obliged to share. I can hear John Calm commenting. I wish you were obliged to send donations. So I did. Please accept my PayPal donation of 23416 for the show, plus fees. Do you think the constant berating of donors is directly is directed incorrectly? Shouldn't you berate the listeners who aren't donors? Maybe it's just semantics, but words are weapon these days. Thank you for this is a very good point. And someone else made that point to me. Someone said, hey man, like I donate. But I, I think we should say, say specifically that it's the people who listen but aren't donating who we are berating. I don't think we're berating our, our existing donors, do you?

[Adam Curry]

I don't think that's ever been berate everybody evenly. I don't see a problem when you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have 800,000 people listening and only 50.

[Adam Curry]

We're not berating any of the dukes that I know of. No, we don't berate people. Are we berating any of the donors today? I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I get any emails about you, I would say 85% about your bitching and moaning and, and, and complaining about donations. What the, what people don't understand is if you don't do that, guess what happens?

[Adam Curry]

Nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

We get no donations.

[Adam Curry]

That's exactly what you gotta bitch and moan. Bitching and moaning is part of the process. Come on. This is the reason that we get donations at all. Well, what are you gonna come out and say? Hey, oh, we got a lot of Don. Oh, that's great, you guys, you're donut. This is fabulous. We're getting these donations and don't worry about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe some yak karma could do some good, says Sir Commodore J Stroke. Well, we agree. Thank you very much.

[Adam Curry]

You've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma. Bitching and moaning works. It's part of the process.

[Adam Curry]

It is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Welcome to Podcasting 101 with Adam C. Curry and John C. Dvorak. Today we talk about donations. John, what is the crux of the donation Value for value model?

[Adam Curry]

Complaining a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom.

[Adam Curry]

We don't get enough money.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. There it is. And you know what? A lot of people have a problem. I think people are embarrassed because they know they could never do it. They could never.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you mean they can't bitch and moan?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they can't bitch and moan about donations.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is the problem. We would notice this, by the way, for you out there that think you're going to Be able to pull off value for value. You do have to have some sincerity. Do you want the money or not?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

It's called asking for the money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

It's also biblical if you think about it. The asking ye shall receive. If you don't ask, you don't get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa, you just threw some biblical scripture out. Beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that's scripture.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is.

[Adam Curry]

So the point is, is that you have to be sincere about. Look, we need. The show doesn't pay for itself. We have bills. We do this show. This is our. A full time job, basically. And we need some help here. And that's all we're doing. It's not like we're berating any one person. You, Jim out there, you didn't give us any money. You know, if there is a gym that's never given us money, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know. You know what? I think a lot of people, certainly for me, a lot of people think you're rich. Curry, you are on television vision. You dvorak, you sold millions of books. See, I think they think that we're loaded and we're just doing this as.

[Adam Curry]

A hobby for fun. No, it's cash flow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, cash flow.

[Adam Curry]

We're not loaded. Neither one of us. We live on cash flow, basically.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do. We live by the ebb and flow of rich.

[Adam Curry]

If you were rich, we'd be in, you know, we wouldn't have this. Our attitude is not that of a rich person, either one of us.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't think so. I don't think that. No. You know who's rich? Dana Brunetti. And what does he donate? Nothing.

[Adam Curry]

Danny Brunetti is rich.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And he has a. A big giant ranch. Yeah. And.

[John C. Dvorak]

And when's the last time he donated?

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's. He relies on other people to donate in his name at levels that he doesn't appreciate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's move on, shall we?

[Adam Curry]

Onward with. Oh, I'm sorry, you got that one. Stephen Truckles is here. Or possibly step. Stefan.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's Stefan.

[Adam Curry]

It might be Stefan Truckles from parts unknown. Double up Karma for my nephew named. What does that say?

[John C. Dvorak]

Bali. Bali. Bali, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Who recently completed his first trip around. Oh, around the sun. Having accumulated so many miles in an airplane, he might as well be generation Delta airlines. Delta airlines. Get it? Yeah, I get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry, sorry. Let me deduce the kids. You've been de dour, accidental douche, de douching. There we go.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, he came in with 222.

[John C. Dvorak]

210. 19. Eli the coffee guy always adds the date 1019 today. 200 plus 1019, he says. Lots of goings on around the globe. Good thing we have astroturf protests and John Bolton's mustache for the media here to talk about. Gentlemen, thank you for the excellent media deconstruction. Keep up the great work and I'm happy to keep you caffeinated. Actually, we're happy to keep Get Monation caffeinated. Just visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy. And I will say our guests loved the gigawatt. They will be purchasing their own. You know, I was. I was selling for him this morning. Check this out. Check this coffee. You think you got good coffee? You don't have the official Gigawatt Coffee Roasters coffee.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, his Ethiopian guji, well, organic whatever it is that he promoted a couple of shows ago. Yeah, I finally opened the bag and put it in the machine. It's outstanding.

[John C. Dvorak]

He makes a good product, he and Jen together.

[Adam Curry]

I would like to see a picture of his roaster with him standing next to it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to see yours. I want to see lots of people's roasters.

[Adam Curry]

This next letter is from Baron OG Godcaster, and he wants you to read this note. Note, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

This must be Steve Webb, because there's only one OG Godcaster. 277 cents. Message received in the morning, fellas. I just launched a new show called Verses We Missed, and I want to invite Gitmonation to check it out. It's a short weekly show that looks into those Bible verses you may have read before, but maybe didn't really see. There's a lot of treasure under the spirit surface. Find the show in your podcast app [e-mail] and please credit this. Yes, it is from Steve. Please credit this donation to the lovely Leanne. Lady Leanne, I should say. And if you would pray for her. She took a nasty fall this past Thursday and needed six staples in her scalp. Oy. Ouch, ouch. Yes. Prayer flare received. Love you guys. May God bless you richly. All right. And that will also go in our new no Agenda network system. I'm going to start this. I like this hyperlocal podcast and this one belongs in it as well.

[Adam Curry]

So after proving the point about complaining, I complained some every so often about the Irish never donating to the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're no good.

[Adam Curry]

And Peter McLay comes in from Dublin.

[John C. Dvorak]

There we go.

[Adam Curry]

$200.18. No note. But he will give him a double up. Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, proof that moaning works.

[Adam Curry]

You've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma. Why don't you do Linda and then I'll do the long one because they want me to read that one.

[Adam Curry]

Colorado. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry. No, I'm sorry. That long one isn't even a 2. Oh, it's from Canada.

[Adam Curry]

It is in Canada.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep, you're right. It is. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Linda lupatkin in Lakewood, Colorado. 200 jobs. Karma. For a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. I'm doing a little modulation here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I can tell.

[Adam Curry]

And job search needs, that's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. 200 bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I was talking to Vic because he actually does sell. He's in the sales chain. Like the corporate sales chain does sell.

[Adam Curry]

Like we don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, but no, that's not what I mean. So he, A lot of his clients are the sales chain. If you're in like the Microsoft sales chain and you sell, let's just say SharePoint or whatever, you get a perpetual. So as long as that company is, is using the product, you as the in between guy in the sales chain, you get like 10 or 15%. Yeah, it's, it's an unbelievable business.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's great.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so he, so he has, yeah, it's great. He has a number of clients and we were talking about use of AI for, for resumes. And it turns out the number one thing that you can really do with AI for your resumes that will actually. And I'd love to hear from Linda Lupat. Can I on this is have AI do your headshot. That's and, and, and make sure your headshot is the one you use on LinkedIn.

[Adam Curry]

There's a couple of AI products that do headshots for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, see, it doesn't surprise me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's a couple. And they, they take your. You give them a couple of photos.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it'll create a perfect headshot with the right background and the whole thing, it makes you look very professional. And then I think we talked about it on the show before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not that part. I don't remember that part.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe I've seen it. It's been pointed out a couple of times they look good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sarah Nielsen comes in with $157.97, which was 200 Canadian dollary dues. So we do honor that it's getting increasingly difficult but we honor it. He's from Val Morin Cooper, Quebec in Canada and she said. I hope this message finds you well. Adam, if you could, if possible, could you try a Danish accent for this note? If not, Dutch would work. Danish. Well, my Danish sounds a bit like my Swedish, but I'll give it a shot. I would like to to wish my smoking hot husband Alex A Happy 33. Oops, I mean 47th birthday today, October 19th. What do you do when your husband and your own birthday falls on a show day all in the same same week? I will have to do like him and donate made this $210.19 Canadian. What am I doing? I'll switch Dutch go towards his knighthood. Side note, his $200 US donation on show 1808 is 280 Canadians. Alex and I have been on a glorious journey for 23 years. We meet while touring with Cirque du Soleil. Oh, wow. Wow. We had our firstborn. That's cool. Were you the. The lady in the. In the. In the cocktail glass. We had our first born ball in the ball. We had our firstborn on tour until school age. Then we started playing house and we had our second daughter and many crazy adventures ever since. It has been a blast. Alex has been my rock and keeps inspiring all of us girls. Happy hunting, my love. What do you want him to hunt? There's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, really. There's two quite understand the meaning of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's Danish. There's too many more years. As we slowly make the journey towards dame and knighthood. Thank you for your attention to this matter. John, would you be so kind to play I love my truck and I love what I do.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I would. I love my truck and I love what I do.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we thank you all executive and associate executive producers for your support of the no Agenda show for episode 18 of. It is all highly appreciated. And of course these credits are the real deal. Go to IMDb.com and you can open up an account if you don't already have one. And of course we'll be thanking the rest of our donors. $50 and above. In our second segment. We love every single value for value donation. Any amount. You can also set up a recurring donation. Don't you do it through GoFundMe. Do it right here on NoaGendaDonations.com Congratulations again to these executive and associate executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up slave.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up slave.

[John C. Dvorak]

So lady Vox in the troll Room says she's disappointed. She thought that her check would have reached you by now. She sent it nine days. Days ago. When did you check the PO Box? You check it regularly?

[Adam Curry]

I checked. I'll tell you when I checked that P.O. box every Tuesday and Friday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so maybe Tuesday. How long? I don't know where she lives. I don't know how long it would take. The mail has been kind of unpredictable. I would say just. Just me.

[Adam Curry]

Sometimes it takes longer than it should. Sometimes it comes in, like, really fast.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know how works. Hey, we have an Epstein update. Epstein update.

[Adam Curry]

Epstein. Who's Epstein?

[John C. Dvorak]

Prince Andrew gives up his royal title of Duke of York as well as other honors after his friendship with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein returns to the headlines. The news comes ahead of the late Virginia Roberts, Jeffrey's memoir, due to be published on Tuesday. Jeffrey alleged she was trafficked by Epstein and had sex with Andrew when she was 17. Claims Andrew denies. In a statement released by Buckingham palace on Friday and with the agreement of his brother, King Charles, Andrew said the continued accusations about me distract from the work of His Majesty and the royal family. In 2019, Andrew had already stepped down from public life over links to Epstein, despite denying any wrongdoing. Interesting that she keeps saying Epstein. The whole world knows it's Epstein. I don't know why I have to say Epstein. And it seems like Duke of York title is in play. Anyone who wants to upgrade to Duke, you could become the Duke of York.

[Adam Curry]

I think we should give it to a Duke of York promotion. I think it was. It was very strange that this guy bailed out. I mean, why didn't he do this years ago?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because the book is coming out and something no good is in the book.

[Adam Curry]

Must be something in the book that he knows about is not good.

[John C. Dvorak]

For sure. For sure. We have. Let's see. We have. Oh, yeah, I guess the. There's a de. Well, let's start with this. Just because. Just to keep up on it, Bolton. These were sealed indictments. These were actual.

[Adam Curry]

Before you. Before you play that, let's play Bolton is past comment commentary. I have a clip here. Bolton, on his. On the whole. On the legality of all these, he had some weight. He has some commentary about Snowden and Assange and all these people and how he felt about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll have to prove it then. He has committed very serious crimes. Wait, this is Bolton and Mar A Lago raids.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. He is talking about. He's talking about how the law should treat people who mishandled classified information. We'll have to prove it then. He has committed very serious crimes. This is a devastating indictment. I speak here as an alumnus of the Justice Department myself, because not only.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it powerful, it's very narrowly tailored. They didn't throw everything up against the.

[Adam Curry]

Wall to see what would stick. This really is a rifle shot and.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it should be the end of Donald Trump's political career.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's the one on Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I don't have the other one. Which is even funnier.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but that is kind of funny in light of the 18 indictments that were sealed. Former UN ambassador and former Trump National Security Adviser John Bolton appearing in federal court in Maryland. Bolton pleading not guilty to 18 counts of alleged illegal transmission and retention of classified information. He declared himself the latest target in weaponizing the Justice Department to charge those Trump deems to be his enemies. Bolton is the third Trump enemy to be indicted in three weeks. The others, former FBI Director James Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James. Earlier this week, the President.

[Adam Curry]

What. Where did this clip come from? Come from?

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me check.

[Adam Curry]

This seems a little slanted. This is the third Trump enemy. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

This abc. Yes. Good catch. I actually.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's a Trump enemy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

He's a guy who broke the law.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know. I'd actually put a note to myself and forgot to stop it myself. Thank you for catching that. Trump deems to be his enemies. Bolton is the third Trump enemy to be in indicted in three weeks. Isn't that great? I just love that. I think it's fantastic. They slipped that in there. The others, former FBI Director James Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James. Earlier this week, the President urging the Justice Department to keep going. Bolton saying the Trump administration embodies what Joseph Stalin's head of secret police once said. You show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Bolton is accused of sharing classified information with two family members in diary like emails describing describing his experiences in Trump's White House for a tell all book. Prosecutors say that information, in addition to documents, was discovered when the FBI searched his home. President Trump saying this on Fox News.

[Adam Curry]

He took classified information and he published it during a presidency. You know, it's one thing to write a book after, during. And I believe that he's a criminal.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I believe, frankly, he should go to jail for this. The indictment says Bolton's email was hacked by an Iranian cyber actor gaining access to alleged classified material. Bolton did report the hack to authorities. Bolton's attorneys deny any wrongdoing with Bolton, insisting his book was reviewed and approved by the appropriate experienced career clearance officials. If convicted, each count carries 10 years. Yeah, I find this very interesting because, yeah, first of all, he published it in a book and he says it was cleared by security like officials. I wonder, I wonder who does that. And then, oh, Iranian cyber hacker. Ok. Yeah, well, I don't know. You think he's going to go away?

[Adam Curry]

I doubt it. The Republicans are always making these threats and nothing. I've always reminded of James Comer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now you say this, but you keep saying it about the. Look, everything in Congress. I'm with you, who cares? It's uninteresting. They don't do anything. But when it gets to the Department of Justice, that's not just the Republicans, that's the Department of Justice and Pam Bondi, who we know is not the brightest lamp. She could just take it all away. You know, she, she could, she could make it happen. She can get someone put in jail.

[Adam Curry]

We'll see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, then there's the declassified Durham report documents.

[Adam Curry]

The documents contain emails allegedly from the sen. Senior Vice president of the George Soros Open Society Foundation.

[John C. Dvorak]

He quotes a Clinton campaign adviser saying, quote, it will be a long term affair and to demonize Putin and Trump and adds that, quote, later the FBI.

[Adam Curry]

Will put more oil into the fire, unquote.

[John C. Dvorak]

Other emails reveal Hillary Clinton approved the.

[Adam Curry]

Idea of tying Trump and Russia to election interference and that that was a scheme, hoping the allegations would distract people from her own email scandal. These documents provide clear evidence that Hillary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clinton's campaign was behind the Russia hoax and that the FBI knew what the Clinton team was up to, acknowledging that the info they were receiving about the.

[Adam Curry]

Trump campaign may have come from the Clinton camp. Despite this, the Obama intel community forged.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ahead with their 2016, 2017 assessment, concluding.

[Adam Curry]

That Russia aspired to help Trump win the election.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what laws, where did that report come from? Fox.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody is reporting that but Fox.

[John C. Dvorak]

And do you think that that can be used to send someone like Comey or Brennan to jail?

[Adam Curry]

I think that, I think there's a. Unless they can prove conspiracy. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't think so either.

[Adam Curry]

If they can't prove conspiracy. Conspiracy, because everything else is. Statute of limitations is long gone. They have to prove conspiracy. And I, you know, that's why I think they're going after Homie with this minor charge.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, get him on tax evasion.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's the old trick.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then sad news from the world of rock and Roll, everybody. Rock and roll. Sad news in the world of rock and roll. Rock and roll. Ace Freely, a founding member of the glam rock band Kiss, has died after a recent fall. Fraley's driving guitar sound powered the band that captivated audiences with elaborate makeup and thrilling stage performances. His agent says Frehley died peacefully Thursday, surrounded by family in Morristown, New Jersey. Ace Frehley was 74. They leaving a lot out there. Ace Frehley, lifelong addicts so bad that his daughter just, she quit her job. Everything to do, try and keep him alive and keep him off substances. And then he slipped and he fell and then he got a brain bleed and they thought it was going to be okay, but then he wasn't, which I don't know if he would. His driving guitar was really the success.

[Adam Curry]

Of Kiss, but it was an element.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was an element. Yeah. 74 is too young. It's too young. Too young.

[Adam Curry]

I tell you, if you're strung out, it's easy to get that far. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Climate change. There's a new report. Man, I'm so happy. I really hope that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, before you play the new report on climate change, let's play my old report from 2009, okay. On climate change from John Kerry on the Congress floor.

[John C. Dvorak]

In five years, scientists predict we will have the first ice free Arctic summer that exposes more ocean to sunlight. Ocean is dark. It consumes more of the heat from the sunlight, which then accelerates the rate of, of the, of the melting and warming rather than the ice sheet and the snow that used to reflect it back up into the atmosphere. Oh, so that was so 10 years ago, we should have had an ice free Arctic.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he said in five years, and that was 2009. So in 2014, which is 11 years ago, 11 years, we should have had an Arctic, a free Arctic, even though we're buying icebreakers for some reason from Finland.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a good beat, John, I want you to keep bringing these on these, all these old clips, just keep bringing them up. And then there's a good intro to.

[Adam Curry]

The new clips which you have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's a new report and of course it's actually quite similar. Sweltering heat and cracked us all over the world. Global warming is having an impact. Oh, no. Crack Earth. And it's getting hotter. Average global temperatures have risen by 0.3 degrees Celsius since 2015, leading to 11 more hot days per year. A decade ago, almost 200 governments came together to sign the Paris Agreement. So I love the hot days. I don't Know what a hot day is? You know, it's a hot day. Hot day. Here is over 100. A hot day for you might be 90. You know, it's like, what's a hot day? And, and no, I don't like this at all. I don't like these. You should be a little more exact. Climate 85. Is that a hot day for you?

[Adam Curry]

I think so, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

200 governments came together to sign the Paris Agreement. Yes. Just a reminder. The Paris Agreement, part of the North Sea Nexus, an international climate accord that obliges nations to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and limit temperature rise to no more than 2 degree circumstances. Celsius. Before the agreement was signed.

[Adam Curry]

What, what, what happened to 1.5?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it's a moving target emissions and limit temperature rise to no more than 2 degrees Celsius. Before the agreement was signed, global warming was estimated to reach 4 degrees Celsius above pre industrial levels by the end of the century, which scientists say would have led to 114 additional hot days per year. This is the new metric. It's how many extra hot days you get. Hey, you know what? There's people that live in Holland and they're happy with hot days. They're like, it's beautiful weather. I live in a perpetual car wash. I like hot weather. If enacted, pledges made under the accord would limit warming to 2.6 degrees, leading to half the number of hot days. It's progress, say experts, as part of a new study, but more than still needs to be done. We are still not seeing the highest possible ambition and that is obviously a huge problem. And Brit, Brit. North Sea Nexus. It is a problem that will be paid for with the lives and livelihoods of lives. Yeah. The poorest people in the world. Poorest people in the world will die, you evil, evil Westerners in every country. Heat is the type of extreme weather contributing to an estimated half of million deaths globally every year. And it's often underestimated. Only around half of countries worldwide have heat early warning systems in place with coverage uneven. And far fewer systems found in Africa, Latin America and parts of Asia. We need heat early warning systems. Another exit strategy. It's called a thermometer.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. We can keep playing these sorts of things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't have any more, but.

[Adam Curry]

I think more dangerous is Star Shield. Have you heard about this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I have. I have heard about. I have a clip. I would love to hear your clips about Star Shield because it seems like they're on the ham bands.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

It all begins. Or worse. Yes, Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

It all began with a guy living out in British Columbia named Scott Tilly. Tracks satellites for fun, kind of like plane spotting, but in space.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was working with his equipment. Yeah, there it is. That categorizes your typical amateur radio operator, kind of like a plane spotter. In space, Tilly tracks satellites for fun.

[Adam Curry]

Kind of like plane spotting, but in space. He was working with his equipment one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Day and it was just a clumsy.

[Adam Curry]

Move at the keyboard.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was just resetting some stuff.

[Adam Curry]

He switched to the wrong antenna and found himself looking at a range of radio frequencies that, that are normally quiet. He was about to move on when he saw something weird.

[John C. Dvorak]

Weird. It's really subtle. Just, you know, you catch it by the corner of your eye. Hey, wait a minute. That's exactly the type of stuff I'm normally looking for. A radio signal from a satellite, but.

[Adam Curry]

At the wrong frequency. Tilly recorded the signal and then looked at a catalog other amateurs had created of all the satellites in space.

[John C. Dvorak]

And bang, up came an unusual identification that I wasn't expecting at all.

[Adam Curry]

Starshield. Starshield is a classified network of intelligence satellites from the commercial company SpaceX.

[John C. Dvorak]

Its users include spy agencies like the.

[Adam Curry]

National Reconnaissance Office, which launched a batch of Starshield satellites just last month. Two, one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ignition and liftoff of Falcon 9.

[Adam Curry]

Go, SpaceX.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go, NRL 48.

[Adam Curry]

Tilly has since spotted a lot more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Star shields, 170 in all.

[Adam Curry]

And, and that's a problem, he says.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because this frequency they're using to send.

[Adam Curry]

Data down to Earth is supposed to be used for the exact opposite, for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sending commands from Earth to civilian satellites.

[Adam Curry]

He worries starshield could mess them up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nearby satellites could receive radio frequency interference and could perhaps not respond properly to commands or ignore commands from Earth.

[Adam Curry]

Kevin Gifford is a computer scientist at the University of Colorado, Boulder, who specializes in radio interference from SpaceC. He agrees Star shield signals could cause interference.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm skeptical about this because the way I understand it is he's using or these star shields are sending signals on the downlink, what should be the uplink from a bunch of hams on cubesats. So I'm not sure if that's going to mess up command and control of other satellites. Satellites.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's what they imply. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not sure that's true.

[Adam Curry]

I think that it's definitely happening. How big of an impact is a question. The truth is satellite operators really don't send that many commands from Earth to space. And the commands they do send via uplink are usually brief. You know, that uplink has a low probability of being corrupted simply because. Because the uplink in those bands is not happening that often. SpaceX and the NRO did not respond to NPR's request for comment about the transmissions. But Tilly says he thinks the world needs to know these secret satellites are beaming out a signal that could mess up other spacecraft.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm, Was this. But I thought that it was on a. On a ham. Part of the ham band for satellite communications. Did I miss. Did I misunderstand that?

[Adam Curry]

Never say.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know Vic, Same Vic. He's going to be one of the first reps for. I forget the name of it. What's the Amazon Starlink variant? Amazon.

[Adam Curry]

Amazon Shipping. Some Amazon is going to put satellite birds up.

[John C. Dvorak]

They already are. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, let me see. It's called Kuiper. There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Using that same crackpot technology that that Musk uses.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's called Kuiper, which is a Dutch name. Yeah. K U I P E R. Kuiper. Then according to Vic, this will be gigabit speeds.

[Adam Curry]

Bull.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, hey, he's a sales guy, so. But you. Bless you. If Vic says it, I believe it.

[Adam Curry]

That woman who wrote the note will be bitching about me doing that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're so rude and so mean to Adam. You keep sneezing in the middle of him. Can't you mute your mic? I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Well, good news for the fans. The Secretary's General's jingle is coming up as we have four. Four. Wait, one, two. Yes. Four Secretaries General to celebrate today, of course, John's Tip of the day coming up and some outstanding end of show mixes along with our meetups. And right now, John is going to thank the Value for Value producers who supported us. $50 and above.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Starting with Stephen or Stefan Kirkpatrick.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is. I think this is Stephen. This will be Steve, probably, but it could be. Who knows? Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Langley, Washington, 1353 8. Nathan Cochran in Franklin, Tennessee. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know who Nathan is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Mercy Meek. He's the only one. Where's the other guys from this band?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we're never going to get Bart the singer. Yeah, I don't think he's a Noah.

[Adam Curry]

Jimmy's a left Winger singer. Winger.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's moody. He's a vocalist. He's moody. But Barry and Mike. Yes, Shu, they are. They are big supporters and they love the show and they want us to Open up and go on the. On the cruise. The Mercy Me cruise and do a. Do an end no agenda show talk.

[Adam Curry]

That's nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's lucrative.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a no from John, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't say that. You're reading into what I say.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm mean because you're me.

[Adam Curry]

There it is again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm mean.

[Adam Curry]

Cody Dobson in San Antonio, Texas, 10535. He's your neighbor, he says, and he's a de douching.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

You'Ve been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, wait, wait, wait.

[Adam Curry]

He wants to call out his good friend, supposedly good friend James Walker as a douchebag. Douchebag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Cody is. Is. Yeah, San Antonio is kind neighbor, but it's about an hour away.

[Adam Curry]

You go there.

[John C. Dvorak]

I go there? Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I think you go there for the Costco. If I'm not mistaken.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tina goes there for the. For the Costco.

[Adam Curry]

Robert PETA in Sacramento, or S.A. as we call it locally. California, 100. Sir Dan the quiet man in Canton, Georgia, 8438. Ah, Kevin McLaughlin's here. Concord, North Carolina at 8. Eight thousand and eight. He's the Archdua lover. America lover of boobs. Melons. P.S. save second base. I don't want to get into it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's one of the better ones.

[Adam Curry]

Save second base.

[John C. Dvorak]

Second base. You got a. You got a laugh out of us.

[Adam Curry]

Very good. It's good one. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Chris. Christopher. Is that O'?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hara?

[Adam Curry]

O', Hara, yeah. In Humbleston, Pennsylvania. Hummelstown, Pennsylvania. 7773. Darius Walker in Charleston, West Virginia. 7414.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, that's the West Virginia Hill Donation.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. He sent you a note. Timothy lipton in Truckee, California, 7588. Dame Becky. Good old Dame Becky In Arlington, W. Washington. 6996. What is this? HJCJ Is that what that is?

[John C. Dvorak]

HJCJ Holtman.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Hoffman, Holtman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Holtman.

[Adam Curry]

Holtman. Holman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Holtman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

In Vermerville.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which I think means the. The water filled with worms.

[Adam Curry]

Is that what it really means?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so. Something like that. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. He's in Holland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

6061. Sir Kevin O' Brien in Chicago. 6006. Dame Liberty mom in Vista, California. 6006. And then we got nuts. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nuts.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, I hit the button to move the scroll and shot to the top. Dean Roker, 55, sir. Nick in Knoxville, Tennessee. 5272. Is there anything in here he wants?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's some make goods in here. He says as a follow up to my Internet donation show 1807. That's why we stop and read this. And for novelty's sake, I'd love to include a secretary generalship as well as that. Okay, yes, you're on the list. He wants to be the Secretary General of the Daily Grind. Additionally, I previously I left out my request for Jobs Karma and for the the entire Mazzoni clan, Baby Making Karma. Many thanks and kind regards, Sir Nick of Knight of Knoxville's 33 degree. So Jobs and Baby Karma will be at the end of this list. Baby making karma.

[Adam Curry]

Kent O' Rourke in Frostburg, Maryland. 5272 Baron Henry of the Outpost west in rancho Palos Verdes, California. 5242 Andrew Benz in Imperial, Missouri. 5005. And from there we go to the $50 donors. And this is just going to be the names and the locations of these people. Starting with the Chris Cowan in Austin. Madison Harden in Fort Mill, South Carolina. Scott Lavender in Montgomery, Texas. Noah McDonald in Traverse City, Michael, Michigan. Terrence Boyer in Tuscola, Illinois. Andrew Guick in Greensboro, North Carolina. Ryan Aceto in Argyle, Texas. Lisa Rosa in Highland Park, Illinois. No Kings Chuckles from Chicago. She sent a note with some photos, I guess. Leanne Shipley in Covington, Washington. And last on the list are both buddy, the Baron of Beaverton, Alan Bain in Beaverton, Oregon. And that's a group of well wishers and supporters and people that made show 18 oh, is it 1809? Possibility made it happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. And thank you again to our executive and associate executive producers for this episode. Your credits are real and they are listed in the show notes here, as requested, the jobs in Baby Making Karma.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, Jobs and jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's vote for Jobs Karma. And I just realized I forgot Linda Lou Patkin's Jobs Karma. So we'll do a double Jobs Karma for her on the next donation on the next show. Sorry about that, Linda. Thank you again to these donors. NoaGendaDonations.com is where you can support us value for value. The system is very simple. We've been doing it for almost 8 months, 18 years. If you get value out of the show, support the show, send that money back in, whatever is valuable to you. That's exactly how it works. Noagendadonations.com Paul wishes his smoking hot loving, resilient wife Lauren a happy birthday. She turned 35 yesterday, sir. Rock House turned crazy Steve, Happy birthday. Birthday to his wife, Dame Dream Girl Rose. She celebrates today. And Sarah Neilson wishes her smoking hot husband Alex a very happy birthday. He turns 47 today. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Time now for that jingle that is the ear room of the century. All hail to the Secretary to be hailing. All hails the Secretary's General on the no Agenda show. That's right, we have Secretaries General to celebrate today. We say congratulations to Secretary General the Daily Grind, Secretary General of Southern Nye county, land of hookers and blow. Secretary General the Shangri La and the Secretary General of the South Sunshine State. Go to noage under rings.com give us the information where to send this very handsome secretary's general certificate to you. It is well deserved. Almost the last batch of the no Agenda Secretaries General. All hail to the Secretary's General. All hail to the Secretary's General on the no Agenda show. I'm gonna miss the jingle. Honestly, I'm gonna miss it. I love that jingle and I love my truck. Time now for our no Agenda meetups. I got a couple of meetups taking place today. DB Pat's surprise birthday party in Michigan local. I guess that Michigan Local 1 is already doing this. It's two o'. Clock. Horrocks Farm Market beer garden in Lansing, Michigan. Thursday, our next show day, the Happy Birthday no Agenda meetup at Canyons Crown in Tucson, Arizona. That is one show before the actual 18th anniversary and that will start at 4:19 Arizona time. For some reason, I'm not quite sure why. Coming up, Los Altos, California the 25th. Camphill, Pennsylvania and the 26th. Berlin, Germany. Hello, Deutschland on the 27th. Alpharetta, Georgia on the 30th. Hello to the HOL in Leiden on the 31st. Indianapolis, Indiana. They will be back with their monthly meetup on November 2nd, the 15th. Another Get John out of the House meetup in Albany, California. Zurich, Switzerland on the 15th. And going all the way through January. Santa Rosa, California. What we really like is when you send us in a meetup report. We appreciate those. Of course. We love it when you include your server. If you want to find out where all these Noah Just meetups are taking place, go to noagendameetups.com Remember, this is where you get the connection that always brings you very important protection. It is community common unity. That's right. These are your first responders in any type of disaster. Noagendameetups.com if you can't find one on that list, no problem. Start one yourself. It's easy and always a party now we got John's tip of the Day coming up. Everybody loves the Tip of the Day. They have been increasingly interesting as tips of the day. Everyone, I saw the Manchurian Candidate rocketed to the top of the charts. Everyone picking that one up from the classic movies. And before we do that, we always like to take a look at some of the end of show ISO. What? I don't see any isos on your list.

[Adam Curry]

I have none. I'm deferring.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I have three. You get to choose. Hail to the king, baby. Okay, we have this one. Bye bye, bye bye. And this one is a little long, but I kind of liked it. What doing are we we doing? You have a podcast, but you don't have a YouTube channel.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. That was sent in by someone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You don't like that one?

[Adam Curry]

I do kind of like it, but, you know, when you bring in the Jones material.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bye bye, bye bye. You just. There's no competition. I agree, A.J. it is. But first we have to listen to the very important John Cedar Borax Tip of the Day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, this is a screwball tip. This is for people who travel in Europe by train.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, everybody pay attention. That's you.

[Adam Curry]

That it could be anybody because you get a Eurail pass, which Americans love to do, and you just jump on the train. You go from here, here to there. But it's kind of a pain in the ass to figure out where to go, how to go where, where, you know, where's the schedules. The Deutsche Bahn puts together a website for international. For everybody. But there's an international travelers version, which is the one I'm recommending. And the website is int. Exactly. Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get it right now.

[Adam Curry]

Int.B, a H. English, en. I think if you don't put the en, it still works, but you can also look it up on Google. Deutsche Bahn international travel site. You put in where you're going, and this is for all of Europe, and it includes the uk. I don't know why they do this, because there's all these different competing, you know, operations in Europe for the different, different train companies. But you put in where you're starting and where you want to go. And it will take you from train to train to train, show you what platform you're landing on, where, what platform to go to, to transfer to the next train, at what time the train comes in and at what time the next train leaves, and what platform it's on. It's unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you happen to be traveling through.

[Adam Curry]

Europe in Deutschland, Europe, Eastern Europe, Middle Europe, England, all the way up into Sweden. It's astonishing that they have this, this. And it's well structured, very easy to deal with. They've changed the interface a little bit. I used to use this a lot, you know, 20 years ago and it. Or 30 years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it was, I thought it was. I thought the layout was a little nicer when it was more old fashioned. Fashioned and. But it's still.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's because you like blink tags.

[Adam Curry]

There was no blink tags involved. And the cat running across the bottom, that's what I was missing.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is, everybody. Find them [e-mail] John's Tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti. And in the show notes, I just added it. A 1989 interview I did with Ace Freely on the Headbangers Ball, which I cannot remember, but it did happen.

[Adam Curry]

Apparently you were a pothead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's why. Yeah, now I remember. Thanks. Thanks for reminding me. That's it for no Agenda for today. But we will be back in just a few short days. Thursday, our next show day. There will be plenty to deconstruct. No doubt about it. There's always something happening in your world if you want to know what's really going on. Don't get confused by the mainstream media. Let us deconstruct it for you. That includes podcasts coming up next on your no Agenda stream. Oh, salty crayon with some value for value music up beats. It's a great show if you want to hear some cool music that you may not hear anywhere else. And end of show mixes from our very own clip custodian, Neil Jones. And we've got. Was it Jeff? Jeff and his buddy. I'm sorry, I forgot who you were with a toe tapper soon to be in the no Agenda the musical coming to you from the heart of the Texas hills country in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember us atnoensafe donations.com until Thursday. Adios, Mofosa. Huey, Huey and size. The planted gun was referred to by the detective as a ham sandwich.

[Adam Curry]

Every cop that I knew carried a ham sandwich. A ham sandwich.

[John C. Dvorak]

A ham sandwich is a sandwich.

[Adam Curry]

A clean gun that they would take.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take and put it in like an.

[Adam Curry]

Old pair of jeans or britches or whatever you want to call it. And they'd let it sit there and get some lint on it. A ham sandwich.

[John C. Dvorak]

A ham sandwich.

[Adam Curry]

A ham sandwich.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gr is where you go to indict the ham sandwich. A ham sandwich. Gr the ham sandwich Sandwich. Grand jury. A ham sandwich. The ham sandwich. So you carried around a gun to plan on suspects?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course. A ham sandwich.

[John C. Dvorak]

A ham sandwich. Hey, this was a underground culture. They would carry around something they call a ham sandwich and they would plant that ham sandwich at the scene of officer involved shootings because it sounds so official. A ham sandwich.

[Adam Curry]

Cry nothing but blue cry cry baby cry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blue cry nothing but blue cry cry made me cry Sorry to interrupt the sandless blather, but thank you for your attention to this matter. Blue cry nothing but blue cry Blue cry baby cry Blue cry nothing but blue cry cry baby cry Blue cry Nothing but blue cry cry baby cry Audio mofo devorak Org na bye bye bye bye.