1814 - "Needle Drop"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1814: “Needle Drop”

Date: November 6, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak deliver their signature deconstruction of media narratives, focusing on the rapid proliferation of AI in music and media, the current rifts within the Republican party, the emerging significance of "America First" politics post-Trump, and the recent New York City mayoral election. The show also dives into an analysis of Supreme Court deliberations on tariffs, reflects on generational changes in dating, and provides commentary on broader cultural shifts. The episode is infused with trademark humor, pointed critiques, and notable digressions, making it a characteristically rich and engaging listen.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. AI in Media and Music (00:48–07:27)

• Opening AI Experiment:

  • John opens the show with a segment generated by AI using his own voice samples, challenging Adam to detect the difference.
  • Quote:
    “That entire opening was A.I.” — John (00:48)
    “It sounds like you. Except it sounds like you if you were gay. A robot.” — Adam (01:13)

• AI Hits the Charts:

  • The hosts discuss news of an AI-generated artist, Zaniyah Monet, landing on the Billboard radio chart, stirring controversy among musicians and unions.
  • Debate ensues on whether prompting AI is akin to programming, and whether human lyricists using AI still count as artists.
  • Quote:
    “Prompting is programming. How’s that different?” — Adam (05:49)

• Cultural Pushback:

  • Both are skeptical about the artistic merit of current AI-produced songs (“I don’t think the song’s any good. I don’t like that song.” — Adam, 06:42).
  • They predict AI will continue to disrupt the music industry but question if quality work will emerge.

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2. Generational Shifts in Dating & Cultural Life (07:27–15:30)

• Modern Dating Frustrations:

  • Reading listener emails and referencing the recent Tucker Carlson/Nick Fuentes interview, Adam and John dissect generational divides and “red pill” concepts in dating.
  • Address the perception that the “juice isn’t worth the squeeze” for men, highlighting how modern dating often operates as job interviews for men.
  • Quote:
    “The vast majority of men are treated like wallets.” — Listener email, paraphrased by John (10:29)

• Nick Fuentes on Gender Roles:

  • Extended analysis of Nick Fuentes’ views as expressed on Carlson, including commentary on feminism, no-fault divorce, and changing gender dynamics.
  • Quote:
    “What is happening is that women are extremely liberal ... extremely feminist.” — Fuentes via John (13:27)
    “Their sense of their own looks and sexual value is very inflated. And so a lot of people are looking at these, like, frumpy, obnoxious, loudmouth liberal women who are also very promiscuous and saying, ‘this is not actually appealing at all.’” — Fuentes via John (16:05)

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3. Media 'Op' and GOP Civil War: The Tucker-Centric Narrative (17:48–48:28)

• Podcast Crossovers and ‘Circle Jerk’

  • John notes the proliferation of pundits appearing on each other’s shows, likening it to a self-perpetuating “op” (“It’s like a circle jerk…sniffing each other’s farts.” — Adam, 17:48).

• Tucker Carlson as Power Broker:

  • John makes the case that Tucker Carlson is running (or fronting) a sophisticated operation: galvanizing forces within the GOP to oust neocon influence and prepare for a post-Trump era.
  • Detailed analysis of Carlson’s new monologues, which focus on the Republican Party’s post-Trump future, the influence of AIPAC and the military-industrial complex, and identifying bad actors like Lindsey Graham.
  • Quote:
    “This is about the midterms. It’s completely about the midterms. … Tucker is leading the charge here…to get…you’re draining the swamp, actually, this is what it is.” — John (47:10)

• Republican Party’s Inflection Point:

  • Carlson frames the current GOP rift as a civil war between America First/MAGA and the old neocon establishment.
  • Special attention on Lindsey Graham’s deep ties to defense contractors (Lockheed, Boeing), noting his “ghoul” status as a warmonger (41:16).

• Skepticism About Success:

  • Adam doubts the effectiveness of the anti-Graham campaign, noting Graham’s political skill and deep local support (49:14–51:11).

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4. Israel, AIPAC, and Gen Z Opinion Shifts (51:26–74:58)

• Framing the Israel Debate:

  • John and Adam argue that criticisms of AIPAC are tied to the party’s neocon purge and not evidence of Israel controlling America.
  • John aligns with the view that the military-industrial complex is the true power behind AIPAC, not Israel per se.

• The NYC Mayoral Election & Gen Z Attitudes:

  • Analysis of the election of a DSA-backed, charismatic new mayor, Mamdani, in New York, whose campaign skillfully leveraged the new progressive wave, demographic changes, and skepticism about Israel.
  • Includes debate clips and Glenn Greenwald’s analysis of how Mamdani deftly handled “gotcha” questions about Israel.
  • Quote:
    “The debate over Israel and America is over. … Millennials are screwed and these Gen Z kids, when it comes to Israel, they’re skeptical.” — John (78:08)

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5. Law, Tariffs, and the Supreme Court (96:30–117:41)

• Supreme Court Arguments & Trump’s Powers:

  • They review legal arguments over whether Trump’s administration lawfully imposed global tariffs, focusing on constitutional interpretations of congressional vs. presidential powers in trade regulation.
  • Discussion centers on the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), delegation doctrine, and the so-called “donut hole” of tariff authority.
  • Quote:
    “Are you calling it a tax? Because that’s what we hear Rand Paul call it…But no, it’s called raising revenue and it’s foreign facing.” — John (111:58)

• Outcome:

  • Both hosts seem to agree that, even if the Court limits tariffs, alternative executive avenues exist (e.g., licensing, embargoes), and that predictions of a “bloodbath” ruling (MSNBC) are overblown.

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6. AI Bubble, Hype, and Reality Check (145:47–157:58)

• Is AI Causing Job Losses?

  • Using clips from various news outlets, the hosts challenge the narrative that AI is the main driver of recent white-collar layoffs, exposing “AI-washing” as a buzzword for basically normal cost-cutting and business cycle adjustments.
  • Quote:
    “You're not really seeing companies say, ‘I am cutting 10,000 employees and replacing them with one single computer.’” — CNBC (147:47)

• AI Bubble Debate:

  • Bill Gates and Sam Altman’s statements are analyzed, with Bill comparing AI’s hype to the dotcom boom (“There are a ton of these investments that will be dead ends.” — Bill Gates, 153:52).
  • Both hosts see genuine value in AI, but foresee that much hype will deflate.

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7. Generational Perspectives & Listener Feedback (74:58–84:17)

• Millennial vs. Gen Z Life Outcomes:

  • A listener describes the contrast between a struggling, therapy-addicted millennial and a grounded, church-going Gen Z sibling.
  • Noted themes: anti-DEI, skepticism of Israel, focus on traditional values by Gen Z.

• Show’s Cultural Impact:

  • Listeners share how the show acts as an antidote to modern alienation, audience capture, and mainstream media rot.

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8. Miscellanea: Cultural, Historical, and Podcasting Meta

Notable segments:

• Origin stories of the “sock hop,” the passing of Dick Cheney (163:00+), value-for-value podcasting economics, and producer recognition.
• Multiple comedic jabs at “Gen Z vocabulary” (e.g. explaining “needle drop,” 19:40–21:35).

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Notable Quotes and Moments

• “[AI] sounds like you. Except it sounds like you if you were gay. A robot.” — Adam (01:13)
• “The vast majority of men are treated like wallets.” — Listener email, paraphrased by John (10:29)
• “Tucker is now kicking off the war to kick out all of the neocons and the military-controlled... not just Republicans, Democrats as well.” — John (47:10)
• “It's like a circle jerk... sniffing each other's farts.” — Adam (17:48)
• “Lindsey Graham is a force of nature.” — Adam (50:50)
• “The debate over Israel and America is over... Millennials are screwed and these Gen Z kids... are skeptical.” — John (78:08)
• “Prompting is programming. How’s that different?” — Adam (05:49)
• “You're not really seeing companies say, ‘I am cutting 10,000 employees and replacing them with one single computer.’” — CNBC segment (147:47)
• “We build our own stage, independent and free, a twice-weekly fixture for the community. No advertiser’s check, no corporate decree.” — End-of-show mix

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• AI-generated Show Intro & Media Job Security: 00:47–02:24
• AI Song Makes Billboard / AI & Royalties Debate: 02:07–07:27
• Generational Dating & Nick Fuentes Analysis: 07:27–16:56
• Podcast "OP" & Tucker’s GOP Campaign: 17:48–48:28
• Israel, AIPAC, & Gen Z Politics (NYC Election): 51:26–74:58
• SCOTUS Tariffs Hearing & Legal Breakdown: 96:30–117:41
• Is AI Causing Layoffs? AI Bubble Talk: 145:47–157:58
• Listener Millennial/Gen Z Email & Feedback: 74:58–84:17
• Podcast Meta, Donations, Anniversary: 119:31–129:33

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Tone and Language

The episode features No Agenda’s signature mix of irreverence and intellectual rigor—often parodying mainstream media habits—while threading in sharp analysis and humorous cultural references (“sniffing each other’s farts,” “America first, baby”). The hosts are candid about their biases, invite dissent, and use both inside jokes and accessible explanations to include listeners at all knowledge levels.

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Summary

Episode 1814 provides a rich, multi-layered deconstruction of contemporary politics, culture, media, and the tech landscape, with sharp criticisms of AI hype, a probe into the GOP’s future, generational divides, and the persistent influence of the military-industrial complex. Listeners seeking substantive context for current events, delivered with humor and skepticism, will find this a quintessential No Agenda episode.

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End-of-Show Note:
As always, the show concludes with a series of AI-generated musical parodies, lighthearted banter about producer artwork, and reminders about the value-for-value support model and No Agenda meetups. The hosts remain grateful, snarky, and defiantly independent to the end.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Are you in a bad stock? Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Thursday, November 6, 2025. This is your award winning Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 1814.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

This is no Agenda, sling and slop.

[John C. Dvorak]

And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we notice that in blue states the Democrats win. I'm John C. Dvor, Crackpot and buzzkill in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Notice anything?

[Adam Curry]

In blue states the Democrats win.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I guess you didn't notice it.

[Adam Curry]

But I notice, ah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That entire opening was A.I.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it sounded. I was gonna ask if you'd pre recorded. Sounded Pre recorded. Didn't sound like A.I.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I know, I know, it's. Yes, it's. I sampled my voice.

[Adam Curry]

It's a little flat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's a little flat. And I tried for hours, like regenerate, regenerate. Then you get like little bits like, oh, that sounds like me. And then, you know, because I trained.

[Adam Curry]

It sounds like you. Except it sounds like you if you were gay. A robot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Robot. Yeah, I was like, you know, the troll room. Got it right away. That was interesting. Yeah. And you thought I was pre recorded. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. So our jobs are still safe then? I think.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, the opening of something and it's just the repartee can never exist with AI that's the problem. Except with the. Well, let's take a deep dive. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, here we go. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. With the mumbling in the background.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's good. I'm very happy. That means we will remain employed for at least another six months.

[Adam Curry]

I hate to mention it too, but we're not really employed.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's true. By the way, just as an aside, you know, we now have, for the first time we have an AI Song on the charts. Did you know that?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't know this.

[Guest or Reporter]

Well, if you didn't know, this is Zaniyah Monet.

[Adam Curry]

Hi, you guys.

[Guest or Reporter]

It's a. AI generated, has a record deal reportedly worth up to $3 million and has made headlines for popping up on social media, streaming services and music charts. Now, Monet is the first of its kind to land on a Billboard radio chart for this song. How was I supposed to know Monet has real musicians fired up too. Joey Leneve de Francesco is with the United Musicians and Allied Workers, an advocacy group in the.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

But artists were already so mad that.

[Adam Curry]

They'Re already seeing next to nothing from their work online and their work in digital music spaces.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're saying this is another slap in the face.

[Guest or Reporter]

He says currently there's hardly anything when it comes to AI protections for musicians.

[Adam Curry]

My organization, by the way, pushing this guy. He sounds like he could just as easily be complaining about being misgendered.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, totally.

[Adam Curry]

With this voice, he is.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's not a great spokesman. Spokesperson for the performing musicians. But let's complete this report comes to.

[Guest or Reporter]

AI protections for musicians.

[John C. Dvorak]

My organization is in fact pushing a.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Piece of legislation in the US Called the Living Wage for Musicians act that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would create a new type of streaming royalty payments, and it would specifically only.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Go to human creators.

[Guest or Reporter]

But reportedly, there's a human behind Monet. According to Billboard, a poet named Talisha Nikki Jones created the AI using software and her own lyrics. But it's clear not everyone is willing to tune in to what this AI is putting out.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is clearly. I'm sorry for our humming representative there. This is clearly a trial balloon from the publishing. The music publishing industry, otherwise this would not happen. You know, they've already told Spotify, get it all off. Except for this one, apparently. This is. This is. This is your future. This is. We are so. Gitmojams.com is alive, everybody. Three times an hour, you get some AI slop from us. We will be breaking artists in quotes on this.

[Adam Curry]

So there's. We have to consider something, which is that with ASCAP and with the royalty payments, it goes to the writers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the writers and composers. But there's a separate sound exchange. There's separate streaming royalties that go to performers. That's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's for streaming. Yeah, but insofar as the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what else is there? Not. People aren't really.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I mean, the point is that this woman that does. This character is the writer. She writes the lyrics.

[John C. Dvorak]

But there's also ascap, BMI for streaming. It's all in one. There's a lot of royalties that get spilled out for streaming.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it just seems to me that I don't think they should make. Make such a fuss. She's writing the songs. This is not all AI it's just a back. The stuff behind it, which she's also programming using AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, she's programming now, is she?

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's what I would call it. What would you call it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Prompting.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, prompting is programming. How's that different?

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Okay. You just broke the heart of a whole bunch of dudes named Ben. But yeah, I guess so.

[Adam Curry]

They agree. You know what they're doing? Largely Especially with the more advanced language models. Is prompting.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I.

[Adam Curry]

The machine to do certain things.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's called vibe coding.

[Adam Curry]

Go to. You know, Go to. Is prompting. It's nothing more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I mean, it's. It was inevitable.

[Adam Curry]

I can't push back on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but I'm just saying that this is the. This is where the industry is going. We're going to see a whole new level of hits prompted and written. I mean, our end of show.

[Adam Curry]

Let's hope that the quality is better than that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. If you want to be critical. I can be critical of the song. I don't think the song's any good. I don't like that song.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I know.

[Adam Curry]

It's not a toe tapper. It's kind of. It's. It's mournful.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm feeling. I'm feeling a new chart. John C. Dvorak's toe tapping top 100. I'm feeling a chart. I'm feeling a chart coming here.

[Adam Curry]

It doesn't sound. It's nothing. You can. You can hum. I mean, there's a million things wrong with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[Adam Curry]

You know, it's good. Taylor Swift stuff's no better, but that's beside the point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Oh, it's. I'm just identifying what's happening and.

[Adam Curry]

No, you would. You know, for two boomers. I know how much you hate that we're on top of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a couple.

[Adam Curry]

Hello, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a couple.

[Adam Curry]

Not like two slouches.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, there's. We'll come back to AI.

[Adam Curry]

How do you use a barcode?

[John C. Dvorak]

Barcode. We'll come back to AI later. Because you bring it up. There's something that we weren't really aware of when we received several emails about this, and I want to read one of them because it's the shortest. People. You can make your point in a shorter note. And this is regarding the Juice isn't worth the squeeze from the Tucker Carlson Nick Fuentes interview, which I think we both interpreted somewhat incorrectly. Although I don't need people to say, I'm so disappointed in what you said.

[Adam Curry]

No, that type of person, they don't donate either of those people.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like, okay, just get to the point. We don't know everything, obviously. So here's one that I thought was reasonable. I was listening to the Sunday show and just wanted to clarify something you and John were talking about. When it comes to Nick Fuentes, the Juice not being worth the squeeze is a red pill. Concept, not an incel concept. I don't think we tied it that way. But that doesn't matter.

[Adam Curry]

No, we didn't. I forgot what I said. But it wasn't about incels.

[John C. Dvorak]

It doesn't matter. Incel has fallen out of favor. But the issue that most older men have is they haven't been in the current. That's us. They haven't been in the current dating market so they think things are the way they have always been.

[Adam Curry]

That's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think that's true.

[Adam Curry]

I have absolutely. I'm absolutely convinced things are nothing like they were. You used to meet women in the museum. That those days are over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Woohoo. Bring that back. Hey baby. What do you think of that painting? Nice.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Nice piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's intriguing. What are some of the whole. Stop. What would some. What are some? Because it could come back. It could have resurgence. Give us a couple of pickup lines for in the museum.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, pick up lines in the museum. But the thing is you have to pick up lines. I've never been good at them because it's just like I always thought it was a casual conversation that either triggered something or it didn't. And so you'd say something. What do you think of this piece?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how. Hold up. How did you meet Mimi? What was the first interaction?

[Adam Curry]

It was at a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, at a sock hop?

[Adam Curry]

No, it was a party. Regular, like an industry party. You know, tech.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, she was at a tech party. Interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she used to work for a tech distributor.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you went hey.

[Adam Curry]

It was something like that, yeah. I forced myself on her, actually. I can be pretty aggressive.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love it. I love it. All right, we continue. You have been married three times. John once, I believe. Incorrect. But that's up to John to explain the dating market. Yes. So between us five marriages. Yes. The dating market isn't anywhere close to where it was even five years ago. Women have rosters of men, they date both men and women ghost each other at the first sign of any trouble.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe it. The juice not being worth the squeeze is the simple fact that the vast majority of men are treated like wallets. And the upside to dating is so small that most men don't make a healthy who don't make a healthy salary, are tall, extremely attractive and in peak physical shape don't have a chance for even an average woman that's a five. I am a Gen Xer that's been single for the past five years. I date extensively but fall victim to the same Challenges the Gen Z and millennials face. A date is a job interview for a man. What do you do? How long have you been there? What degrees do you have? All in the hopes of sussing out how much money I make. And the chance of anything lasting longer than a few weeks is not in the cards. You and John were lucky with your mate choices. Well, not all of them, but for the rest of the men out there, it's not as easy as it used to be.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

But.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know what? Thank you, and I appreciate that. And of course, we've seen TikTok videos of women talking like this. And you know, how much money does he have? Six. Six. You got six figures, six feet tall, et cetera, et cetera. And I'm really sad about that. I think that's incredibly sad.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this brings me to the Nick Fuentes clips I have for today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, you went back to the.

[Adam Curry]

Well, well, about this exact topic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Oh, brilliant.

[Adam Curry]

I only picked up two. I only took two from the set, from the segment. But they talked about dating. What? Why? You know, Nick Ferentis has his opinions. By the way, I. And I will. I'm gonna preface this by saying that I saw. I've never seen Nick Fuentes podcast. Okay. And I don't hate saying okay because I listened to Candace Owens podcast recently and that's all she said.

[John C. Dvorak]

But no, you're not doing it right. And you say mmkay, mkay.

[Adam Curry]

She says okay, well, she. I don't know. It's the m so much. But she says okay after every phrase. Okay, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she says it more like okay, like if you question her, the hellfire will strike you down. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So I've never seen Fuentes material. So I saw. Instead of watching Fuentes, I listened to Ben Shapiro's rant about Fuentes with old material and about Ducker. Great, because he's taking everything he can out of context. You have no feeling for anything. It's just these blips and blips and blips. Well done. He just took both Fuentes and Carlson to the cleaners.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, we'll come back to that.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, I hope you have something. But meanwhile, my take on Fuentes is what I saw on the Tucker Carlson interview, and that's it. And I think he's entertaining. He's. When you see the clips that Shapiro plays is like a maniac, but it's different. So let's play these two clips. This is Frenches on dating women and. And the whole problem out there.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

But I'm always. I think I'm just too old or something. I'm like, what? Why is anyone married? You tell me. Why isn't. Weren't people married? Well, I mean, honestly, it's the women. The women are extremely liberal. No one talks about that. They're increasingly they do. Especially after the last election. There's a 45 point difference between men and women. The men are extremely conservative. Increasingly, the women are extremely liberal. What are they liberal on what issues? Like, what does that mean, liberal? Oh, on. They're very feminist. Like actually extremely feminist. Yeah, actually that.

[Adam Curry]

Do they.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I think they do. Really? Really? Really. Really, really, really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Absolutely.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yes. I think gender roles are a construct that none of this is inborn. Like, you'd have to be an idiot to think that they like the idea of it. They. They like the. Because of course, I think all women naturally want strong men. Of course they naturally want a chad. You know, they want like a tall, buff guy. But they, I think they like the idea of none of them want to work either. None of them saying of course. That's right. It's obviously true. It's always been work outside the home.

[Guest or Reporter]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

They don't have enough work at home.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, there's a lot right on Tucker.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

But no, I completely agree. So that's why I question like their feminists. In what sense?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

And you know, they like these vague appeals to equality. We want a chance to work and we want respect. And you know, ultimately, I think the whole political system is just based around women never being accountable for any of their choices. Ultimately, that seems to be what. That's what abortion is. Yeah, of course. Is. 99% of abortions are elective. So they say it's an unplanned pregnancy. You had sex out of wedlock with someone you didn't intend to have kids with, so now we have to kill the kids in the womb. Woo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nick Fuentes. Yeah. Nailing it. Nailing it. I can't say it any other way. Nailing it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's making his points. You know, it's very generalized. It's almost stereotyped, but it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Course, anyone could have given that answer. Even boomers who don't know what the dating scene is like. It's not like K. It's not incredibly hard to come up with that. But he said no. Okay, good.

[Adam Curry]

But it's not also, you know, the number of women that don't fall into these categories is probably pretty high. But let's listen to the better part, which is the second half this is actually. There's more stuff to yak, yak, yak back and forth. Very wordy, these two guys. But let's go to the end.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

And you know, these no fault divorce laws. These women get married to guys maybe they never intend to stay with, and then when they're out, they're done and they want child support and they want half the stuff. And I think a lot of men are looking at women and they're, they're very liberal. They're overweight. They have a very high estimation of themselves. I think that people call it hoeflation. Their sense of their own looks and sexual value is very inflated. And so a lot of people are looking at these, like, frumpy, obnoxious, loudmouth liberal women who are. Who are also very promiscuous and saying, this is not actually appealing at all. And I don't, I don't want to start a family with a person's office. Yeah, it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

So, yeah, I thought that was worth listening to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just tell me, because I have a little series on Tucker. Tell me what the candidate stuff is because it might be appropriate. Is it about Israel?

[Adam Curry]

Tell me the what, which, what?

[John C. Dvorak]

You have Candace stuff. Candace debate theory here. What is that?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is about Mondami.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, hold on on that for a second.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, I'm not pushing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't even try because you kind of let me write. You said, mmm, okay, again, I can't help it. I've been watching it too. Everybod, mka.

[Adam Curry]

It's habitual. It's a problem. It's a real problem that you have to like, gotta shake it, gotta shake it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I've been kind of obsessed is not the word, but I'm trying to figure out what is going on with all these podcasters going on each other's podcasts, talking about each other, sniffing each.

[Adam Curry]

Other, and they're all going around and around. It's like a circle jerk.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sniffing each other's farts. And like, what is happening here? What is the point? And is it still all about Israel? What is happening? And earlier this week, I thought I saw a clue, and that was confirmed last night. So I spent this morning clipping some stuff. This is an op, and I think it's pretty elaborate and sophisticated.

[Adam Curry]

A good OP is which.

[John C. Dvorak]

A good OP is.

[Adam Curry]

And in fact, a good OP should not be identifiable. We just happened to be kind of tuned into them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the best OP is when the person doing the OP actually tells you what the OP is about. And you just kind of accept that as part of the op, even, you know, you don't know it's an op. Does that make sense?

[Adam Curry]

Well, we'll find out by your clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so just to set the stage for a second. No, actually, I'll. I'll go to. This is the first clip kind of led me into it because there's a lot of people involved in this. I don't think. I know. I know that not everyone's in on the op. Fuentes not in on the op. Candice is not in on the op. Glenn Greenwald might be. I don't think so. So. And Dave Smith is completely not in on the op. He is the willing idiot in the game. And so Tucker goes on Dave Smith. I'm like, what is this?

[Adam Curry]

I saw this.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Why is he doing this? What is the point?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what I thought. I didn't watch the. I. You probably. I could only watch a few. I couldn't take it. I couldn't watch it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. But. But I got lucky. I got lucky because I. I needle dropped into what I needed to hear. But the first part. So people like. And you know, Shapiro is. Is on the other side of this, but he's completely fallen for the op. He's. He's the biggest moron in this.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Shapiro's terrible. He's completely falling for it. Just stop you for a second. One of those phrases we should put aside is needle drop. Gen Z doesn't know what you mean.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a needle drop. So back in the day, you'd go into a store that had these discs, and these discs were black, and they were made of something called vinyl. You might have pants made out of it, and they were kind of flexible. But then you would put them on a turntable that's a rotating disc, and there would be a needle, an actual needle in an arm that you'd put onto this vinyl disc known as a record or a long play album, sometimes a single of 45. And it would pick up the little grooves in this vinyl, and the vibrations would be sent back through an amplification, and you would hear music. So a needle drop excuse in different terms in broadcasting, but kind of the same in a record store. You'd sit behind a long desk and you'd all have a pair of headphones, and there would be a record player in front of you. Sometimes the store would let you use it yourself. They wouldn't always, because, you know, you might scratch the record.

[Adam Curry]

In the olden days, they did yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Scratching the record later became a hip hop art form. Okay. But scratching meant that you ruined the grooves. So you do a needle drop just to listen to a track. Further on in broadcast, in broadcasting, we would, you know, a record promoter comes in, hey, man, I got. This is a great. This is a hit. This is the next number one. It's a toe tapper. And so you'd listen to the intro and then you pick up the needle and drop it in the middle. Okay. Because you had no time to listen to it all. So that's a needle drop, I. E. These days, fast forwarding two minutes and checking it out and fast forwarding.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry I asked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, you did ask. So I needle dropped. And so Dave Smith, who was. He's just Mr. Libertarian, anti war Israel, is the worst.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, I'm sorry if.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I'm interrupting you too.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're going to have to do it for an hour.

[Adam Curry]

Dave Smith, I can't watch him. He is the worst example of the podcaster who can't stop talking to get to his first question with Tucker. Must have been five minutes. He just keeps going over this. Well, you know, and I want to ask you about this because it's something that I think is important. I think you might have thought it was important, too, because I thought it was important. So you would probably think it was important, but I'm not sure that you thought it was important. But I want to know if you think it's important because everybody else. In fact, I talked to some guys the other day, they thought it was important. And so I want you to tell me if you think it's important.

[John C. Dvorak]

You do a very good impression of the Dave Smith, and he's a comedian, by the way. I tried to. I found one of his sets on Netflix and like, oh, you're not that funny. You're funnier when I'm watching you stumble around like this. So Dave Smith is not in the op. Dave Smith is just delighted that he's got numbers. He's trending. Everybody is trending. It's proof that he's right. And what's his face? Ben Shapiro. You know, he's a loser. He's an idiot. And he's yelling at us, and so we're yelling back at him, but meanwhile, we're winning. We've got numbers. We're the best. But he sent me the episode of Ben Shapiro today, so I'm pretty pissed at him for that. That's not a cool thing to do to a friend. But I did watch a little bit of it. And he's going, you know, he's like, he's sitting there and he's going like, you know, Tucker Carlson and then completely like, you know, in a demented way.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Representing your view, Tucker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Carl said the platforming of Holocaust deniers and this and loving Nazis. The American people hate that. The American people reject that. And meanwhile, there's just this amazing feature about, you know, the new decentralized media landscape where like, we can all look.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

At the numbers and we can see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who'S gaining in relevance and who's losing it. And the fact is that like Nick Fuentes is ascendant, Candace Owens is humongous.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Breaking records. You were the biggest show at cable.

[John C. Dvorak]

News, got fired and got bigger after that.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Again, you can just look at the numbers.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're all right there. And, and Ben Shapiro went from being like the, the king of the online conservative guys to being very much a laughingstock and falling down in all these numbers.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

So they can, they want to sit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here and try to convince you that what you're seeing in front of you isn't really happening, but we all know that it is.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's so self righteous, Mr. Dave Smith.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, he's got a guest in front of him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yakking away when I, you know, it's like I always thought interviewers should let the guest, the guest is there to tell you something. No, you always listen to the host.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. He feels that he's on the same. He's on a team. He's on the team. Tucker's on the team. We're on the team. We're on the right side of America. Saving America. America first. This is all about, this is the thing. America first, baby. We don't want foreign wars. We don't want foreign intervention. We don't want America First. I never hear them talking about SNAP because I learned that three weeks of SNAP benefits is equal to the annual amount we send to Israel in military aid. But okay, America first. So that's what he's about. And you know, and you got that number.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Three weeks of snap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Three weeks of SNAP is equal to.

[Adam Curry]

Everything we sent to Israel for a year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And then we get that money back from Israel in arms purchases.

[John C. Dvorak]

In arms purchases. Right, okay. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

We don't get that with snap. But we do sell food though, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need to take that into account for a moment. Now, just to reframe my thinking so people understand where I'm coming from, particularly Israel. And by the way I think that October 7th, this very suspicious that we have, you know, this thing. You're in Tel Aviv, you're 45 minutes from where this all took place. But it took seven hours for the military to do anything. I think that this was in itself an op. Not by the Americans, but by the Israelis. And maybe it was a part of the whole Abraham Accord. Let's settle this in the Middle East. And, you know, they had the.

[Adam Curry]

You don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't. Well, no, we don't know.

[Adam Curry]

It's just suspicious.

[John C. Dvorak]

But hold on. There was the master plan, which was already started by the master plan's own admission of Witkoff and Kushner. So this was in the planning. I don't think it went the way they actually thought it would. They thought that, you know, no, they'll kill some people, but it'll be good. And they had hostages, and it got drawn out. And the whole thing was obviously a mess, or as Dave Smith calls it, genocide in 4K. Okay, all right, I got it. War is horrible. So this kind of reignited the why are we sending money to Israel?

[Adam Curry]

Meme.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a very real meme. We can't fight it. The millennials, the Gen Z, even the Gen Alphas are very suspicious of all of this. Then we got the Kirk murder. Enter Candace Owens. Could not have been more helpful for pointing the finger at Israel. And then you have AIPAC. Oh, AIPAC. AIPAC. AIPAC. Israel controls all of Congress. AIPAC. AIPac. Now, I'm just gonna reiterate our stance that Israel does not control America. America has historically since the 70s. Go back at Bingit IO and look at all the Michael Hudson videos. He was there. The clips we have of Michael Hudson. How is Israel is the aircraft carrier in the sand and meant to be our launching point there for all kinds of horrible things America has done, mainly for resources, etc. So AIPAC is funded by the American Israeli Education Fund, which is mainly funded by the military industrial complex. So if you want to say AIPAC is a danger to America for control, I'm in complete agreement. Ever since Eisenhower said, and way before any. Like 15, 18 years ago, we were talking about Eisenhower's message upon his leaving the presidency. Be careful, it's the military industrial complex. And yes, a lot of Congress is definitely controlled by AIPAC and the military industrial complex. And they are inherently bad because they always want war. So. So this op that I think I can show to you is using the Israel conviction that people think that Israel is controlling us and we need to stop that to complete a very specific goal. And I believe Tucker is completely, he may even be leading this. I think he's really good at it, if he is. And this was the clue during the Dave Smith podcast. Part of the problem, I think, is the name of the podcast that made me, made me start to think about this. And then last night I was totally convinced. So listen to this.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Ben is like this. Ben fears that he's going to get hurt. And it's like, I look at this and I'm like, I don't think, I think Ben's fine. No, it's like, who's more likely to get hurt, me or Ben? You know, it's like not even really close, but, but that doesn't matter. He feels that way. And a lot of these people who are throwing this Nazi stuff around, they're doing it for a reason. Of course this is part of strategy. You know, we've got to clear the skeptics out of the Republican Party by the time Trump leaves, or else we, the neocons will lose their stranglehold on the party. That is the goal. But I just want to say again, as they say these radical, really kind of crazy things, they convince themselves and they become dangerous because not about me, it's about, about the future of the Trump movement after Trump. That's what all this is about. I'm just happened to be in this place. I'm not trying to shirk responsibility for anything I did at all. But it's not really about me. They're mad at me because I'm like, basically, sincerely a moderate guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when I hear this, I'm like, huh? Could it be that Tucker has the assignment? And remember, Tucker was at the Republican National Committee. He was walking into UFC fights with Trump. And then this stuff starts to happen and we had one truth social post from Trump saying Tucker's gone nuts. Around the same time, Elon is no good. Notice how you haven't heard anything from the President about either of those guys in a long, long time. In fact, quite the opposite. The guy who was, who Elon wanted to be NASA administrator, suddenly is back and available and is up for nomination or approval by Senate when they come back to be the NASA administrator. So Elon very likely is playing a part of this as well. And if so, wow. Long game. Very, very impressed. So last night, Tucker drops another episode. He has an almost a 40 minute monologue. And these are always good. This is what he used to do on Fox News. It's written, he's Just nailing it. And I need to play some of this. Most of these are pretty short, but they're all very relevant. Here's how it starts off.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Good evening and welcome and happy anniversary. Tonight is the one year anniversary of Trump's second election to the presidency. It was a year ago tonight that Donald Trump not only won, but won a majority of the popular vote. And not only won a majority of the popular vote, but one with a coalition that was broader than any Republican coalition, probably since 1984 with the Reagan landslide. So a 40 year coalition. And at the time looking at not just how many people voted, but who voted, it seemed really obvious. If you were interested in keeping the left at bay and the Republicans in power for, say, the next generation or two, you would copy exactly what Donald Trump did because no one else is, has done it in 40 years. He created this amazing, not just landslide, not really a landslide, but it was an amazing victory in an environment in which most people assumed you couldn't have an authoritative victory because the country is just too closely divided. So it was an amazing thing that Donald Trump did a year ago. So the election was a year ago. That means the midterm election is a year from now, the next presidential election two years after that. So it's probably not too early to start thinking through what comes after Donald Trump. No respect to the sitting, disrespect to the sitting president, but of course there's going to be something after him because he can't run again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, when I heard this, I'm thinking, all right, exactly one year. This is the anniversary. We've got to get ready for the midterms. Something has to happen. And we know that. And this is the second time he's saying what happens after Trump, what happens at the midterms? What are we going to do? We have a party that is filled with good people and bad people and they need to be rooted out and.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Needs to say people are thinking about that. And not only thinking about it, they're already arguing and fighting about it. There is what Politico is calling a civil war in the Republican Party. And it's over, of course, identity. Because the only wars we have in this country, the only sanctioned wars we have domestically, are about identity, blm, antisemitism. Of course, that's not really what they're ever about. These are proxy wars. These are wars waged on behalf of people who aren't directly participating for reasons that are never openly stated. And this war is actually about what comes after Donald Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

He keeps Saying it. This is all about what happens after Donald Trump. Now, at this point, I agree with the initial sentiment in the troll room. I'm like, wow, is Tucker gonna run for president? No. No, that can't be right.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Right?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's going to clearly point out what this is about.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Does the Republican Party, the party that now has power and a lot of money, revert to what it was before Trump, or does it continue to evolve in the direction that Trump has steered it? That's the question. And on that question hangs a lot. Well, control of the most powerful country in the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

Notice what he's saying here. He's saying, this is about the Republican Party. This is not about Trump. This is not about, you know, Israel or this is about the Republican Party, which Tucker seems to care a lot about the question.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

And on that question hangs a lot. Well, control of the most powerful country in the world, control of the free world, such as it is, the shrinking free world, and, you know, an awful lot of jobs for people and an awful lot of military power. So there is a lot at stake in this contest. So consider the two choices here. You can go with the Republican Party as it was, which is basically neoconservative foreign policy, libertarian economic policy, the Republican Party of the think tanks in Washington, of the Wall Street Journal editorial page, of all the deep thinkers in the Republican Party. Deep thinkers, the ones who are always invoking the same three Reagan quotes and quoting Tocqueville incorrectly and doing their little where area does impression or does it continue to become what it is currently becoming, which is the party of Donald Trump? Well, what is that? What is MAGA exactly? How do you make America great again? Well, Donald Trump, in his sort of signature way, which is to say never quite spelling everything all the way out, is not very ideological, but instead sort of leading by implication and by action. The position of Donald Trump in the last election was America first.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. This is what everyone has been saying. No, we want America first. What Trump is doing is not America first. Notice that Tucker is on the President's side here. He is saying that the President wanted America first. At this point, we have no talk about AIPAC or Israel or Epstein or any of this stuff. It's all about rooting out the neocons. And I completely agree that there are a bunch of a holes. We just lost one yesterday and Dick Cheney, who really were not good actors in the Republican Party, who had a lot to do with controlling our country, specifically through the military industrial complex. So now Tucker will say, here's the other side that we have that we can look at.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

On the other side is a return to the Republican Party that we had before, which is a party that has all kinds of other agendas, most of which are never publicly revealed, and that spends a lot of its time policing its own members. Now, what does it attempt to achieve by policing them? Well, it attempts to achieve silence. It wants them to shut up about what is actually happening. And what is actually happening is that on the foreign policy side, which is the side that Washington cares about because it's got the most money and the most power, you can literally kill people and there's no power greater than that. Our foreign policy is not wholly dependent on the whims of Israel. Of course, we have, you know, acting in lots of parts of the world that have nothing to do with Israel, but it is unduly influenced by the concerns of Israel. And in some cases the US government has acted and these are all well known. The Iraq war, for example, has acted in ways that hurt the United States in order to help Israel. It is put the aims of a foreign power above its own interests.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, I disagree with him that the Iraq war was about helping Israel. That was Halliburton's war and that was a. A Bush family op. They were mad at Saddam Hussein. So I reject that part of it. But there you go, he's bringing it in and now he's going to tell us that Elon is in my storyline here, that Elon was definitely a part.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Of this op and that's immoral, it's illegitimate, it's extremely unpopular domestically and it just doesn't work over time. That's not sustainable. You can't. There's no way to justify that. So rather than trying to justify it, they scream at people and tell them to be quiet and read them out of the movement and call them names and threaten them. But ultimately, because it's not a winning message, it cannot win over time, particularly if people are allowed or somehow managed to describe it accurately. And unfortunately for the guardians of the old system, the old Republican Party, people have been allowed to describe it accurately, mostly because Elon Musk opened up X and you know, when he did that, you get all kinds of filth and nonsense and lies, but you also needed it actually quite a bit of truth. And one of the main things that people are telling the truth about that they didn't tell the truth about before is that our foreign policy really doesn't have much to do with what's good for the United States. And once those words have been uttered, they can't be taken back. And they change people's minds. And the polls reflect the fact that they have. People's views are different.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now he gets into the attack mode. And this is where it just blew my. And I didn't look at the description of the podcast. I just listened to this while I'm walking the dog. I listened to it while I'm getting ready for bed, brushing my teeth. And if you think about the true bad actors being those associated with the military industrial complex, aipac cloaked under the guise of, hey, everybody hate Israel because they fund AIPAC and they control the Congress. If you want to get those people out, you got to go for the head of the snake. And Tucker himself is doing this now.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

So in the face of this kind of inevitable change of heart, collective change of heart in America, where both parties are like, wait, why are we doing this? The people who are benefiting from the old arrangement, which only continued because it was maintained by threats and silence, those people are going absolutely bonkers. And they have been all week. And they're claiming it's about one thing, the Holocaust or something like that. But no, really, it's about who controls the Republican Party after Donald Trump. That's what it's really about. So ignore the moral posturing. This is a power struggle, as all political parties have from time to time. And this one just happens to have a lot of emotionally unbalanced, hysterical people with no limits who have access to social media. So they're scaring the crap out of everybody. But it's really kind of a conventional power struggle. So who are the players in this? Well, some of them are in the pundit class. The more ludicrous ones are in the pundit class. But some of them are actual sitting politicians. And if you were to choose one who symbolizes what we're actually debating and the stakes of this conversation, it would have to be Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham is a senator, a senior senator from the state of South Carolina, one of the most conservative, reliably Republican states out of 50. And he has been in Congress since 1994, so that would be 31 years. And he is running for yet another term as a U.S. senator. He's 70 years old. He'd like to serve till he's 77. And he has the support, not simply of the White House. He has an endorsement from the president, but he has more donor support probably than anyone who's ever run in the history of the United States. I mean, Lindsey Graham has so much donor support. And donors, just as a numerical question, probably represent a hundredth of 1% of the American population, but have a great deal higher proportion of the money, he's the most popular candidate they've ever backed. He's like a higher iq, less grading Nikki Haley.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Lindsey Graham is the target because he's the most well funded senator who funds Lindsey Graham? That's actually quite easy to find out if you [e-mail] top four donors. Lockheed Martin, GE Aerospace, Boeing. In fact, Boeing has their wonderful plant there in South Carolina and the Fluor Corporation. So this is a strike against the military industrial complex that controls idiots like Lindsey Graham. Now, if you want, I can play the two takedown clips. It's almost like a no agenda greatest hits where Lindsey Graham is saying, yeah, that's the best money ever spent. We're killing Russians. Yeah, you know, we're lowering your taxes and we're killing the right people. The guy is clearly a ghoul. Clearly.

[Adam Curry]

I'm reminded of Matt Gaetz when he was in Congress, commenting once on one of the big shows, he says, well, Lindsey Graham never met a war. He' like, we had that clip on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you want to hear Tucker's takedown of him or do you want to?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I just want to finish. And within one cycle, Mad Gates was out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Oh, because it's incredibly powerful. Incredibly powerful. The military industrial complex, apac, they control a heck of a lot. And what I'm seeing here is Tucker is he's the missile and he's working.

[Adam Curry]

He's a point man.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's point man at the behest of the president, who he's good friends with. He texts with them all the time. They didn't just fall out of love, but we've been very quiet between the two of them. So I'll leave those. They're longish and we've heard it all. But Lindsey Graham, without a doubt, is a ghoul who likes killing people. He loves the military, and he cloaks it all under Israel, Israel. He always talked about Israel, Israel, Israel. It's almost like saying Kyiv instead of Kiev. Israel, Israel. And again, I had not looked at the description of this podcast and it should probably be the last little bit of this Lindsay take down here because he was talking about Lindsey. Well, here, this is the second clip. It's worth it.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

But if you wonder who Lindsey Graham actually is, what his gut instincts are, take a look at his first reaction to the death of George Floyd and In case you don't remember that story, it was Memorial Day, 24, 2020. This convicted armed robber, home invader, drug addict, former porn star tries to pass a counterfeit bill in a convenience store, like these poor convenience store owners in Minneapolis, and gets arrested for it and then promptly dies of a drug od. That was all pretty obvious from day one, actually. But that wasn't Lindsey Graham's view at all. Here's what Lindsey Graham said about George Floyd. The topic for the country is what to do after the death of Mr. Floyd.

[Adam Curry]

And what does the death of Mr. Floyd mean?

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Well, it's a long overdue wake up.

[Adam Curry]

Call to the country that there are.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Too many of these cases where African American men die in police custody under fairly brutal circumstances. Mr. Floyd's case is outrageous on his face, but I think it speaks to a broader issue. I think this committee has the potential to reinforce things in society that will lead to better policing. And hopefully one day, if you're a.

[Adam Curry]

Young black man and the cops pull.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Up behind you, you be wondering if you were going too fast rather than you're going to get beat up. It is liberal white women like Lindsey Graham who are the real problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, okay, that's the setup. We get it. Lindsey Graham has to go. He's incredibly powerful. He has the biggest military industrialists behind him.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Him.

[John C. Dvorak]

And here's Tucker's payoff.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

With that in mind, Paul Dan is running against Lindsey Graham in the Republican primary, which is in June of next year. We don't know a ton about him. We're about to find out, but that's all we need to know. This is unacceptable. Ladies and gentlemen, Paul Dance. So how did you decide? Let's just start at the end. How did you decide to run against Lindsey Graham?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm original maga. You know, I kind of go back.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

To even Hross Perot days and we'll.

[Adam Curry]

Get into a little bit about how.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

So you supported Perot. Oh, I was a Perot Perot.

[Adam Curry]

My first vote for president.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I came from a kind of a traditional ethnic Catholic family, working class. My parents were the first to go.

[Adam Curry]

To college to actually speak English.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

My, my siblings were the first eight. My parents spoke Spanish and French at their households. But, you know, my why am I running ultimately against Lindsay is for God, family, country.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think we have choice at this stage.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

This is about the future of the movement. Whether maga America first lives or dies. We have to start thinking post Trump.

[Adam Curry]

And this is going to be the.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Fight for the future of this Country.

[Adam Curry]

I was working in the trenches, if you will, for the last five, seven.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Years, really with the Trump admin. I was the architect of Project 2025.

[Adam Curry]

And right now I believe God has a plan for us all. And this is a calling. But it's also that I have the life experience.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I cannot sit back and watch somebody like Lindsey Graham represent our state. I live God, family, country.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is it. This is it. Tucker is now kicking off the war to kick out all of the neocons and the military controlled, I think not just Republicans, Democrats as well. This is about the midterms. It's completely about the midterms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. After Trump, sure. And I think President Trump doesn't give a crap. He's like, hey, I got stuff to do in the next three years. I'm probably gonna choose someone to, you know. In fact, I have another clip from 60 Minutes where he's talking about the incredible bench they have, which is true. J.D. vance, Marco Rubio, they've got a lot of interesting people who could totally be the next president. Tucker is leading the charge here. To get this is you're draining the swamp, actually, this is what it is. And it's cloaked under this clear movement of people hating Israel's so called influence over the American government, which is really done through aipac. Everything is they need to register as Farah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, fine. I think that you're going to see, this is how the frame, this is the frame I'm going to be using for the next couple of months to see what Tucker does. See how these podcast wars, so called wars are used to push new people, the America first people who already work for President Trump. This guy has been in the Trump administration. He was there for almost the entire first term. Project 2025, come on. This is exactly what Trump is doing and Tucker is the op.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Tucker might be the point man for the op. I've noticed that this is very similar to what Candace Owens is saying about the anti Trumpers and MAGA joining hands and something she's not gonna do. There was some discussion about that in her last show, which was a huge hit by the way. And then there was Trump himself, who for some, I've never seen a president do this in my entire life. Which just Trump himself and his team celebrated the first anniversary of the election, which is a bogus thing to celebrate if ever there was. It's like, you know, oh yeah, this is the third year we've been married. Let's have a big party.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's our monthiversary.

[Adam Curry]

This is not gonna make it. This is not. This is weak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

It's not gonna cut it. Lindsey Graham is a pro. He will shred these guys. This guy has. I would put money on the fact that this guy who sounds like he has the charisma of a rock will be eaten alive by Lindsey Graham in South Carolina.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's very possible, but he is the chosen one now to run against Lindsey Graham.

[Adam Curry]

Not going to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's amazing. Lindsey Graham is. He's real. He's a puffy face dude. Like, the power that he has is incredible.

[Adam Curry]

He's a smart guy. I mean, you know, he's a dummy in some sense, but he's also politically savvy. He has a style all his own. The people of South Carolina keep putting him in. And he's got the money.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's got the money.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, the combination of ingredients and he's got. And he's the incumbent and he can say to the South Carolinians, look, I'm in here. I've got seniority. And you, as you know, in Senate and House, seniority makes a big deal because that puts me at the head of a lot of committees and it puts me in a position where I can help the state. And this guy, this 2025 guy, he's not going to be able to do jack. He's going to take him 10 years. He had to be reelected two or three times to get as far as I am. Why would you vote for him?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, Tucker has work cut out for him. No doubt.

[Adam Curry]

He's got more than the work cut out for me. This is futile.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Well, I hope he succeeds. I mean, this show has not been a fan of Lindsey Graham, that's for sure.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, we have not been a fan of Lindsey Graham. But there is a moment where you have to accept the fact that Lindsey Graham is a force of nature.

[John C. Dvorak]

What could get Lindsey Graham out? Anything.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he lives at home with his mother, supposedly. I mean, that's what I've heard. He's obviously gay, but he doesn't. He's not out of the closet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get him on the gay card. He should come out. He could be. He could hang out with Besant in the A. Gays. I mean, he's played. He's doing it all wrong.

[Adam Curry]

He's doing it perfectly. And he. There's. I don't know that he has anything in his cloth. Any skeletons in the closet? I don't think so. He's untouchable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, anyway, I think that that's what this is all about.

[Adam Curry]

And, well, there's a. That obviously something's going. And I think you're right. Tucker is always suspect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And Ben Shapiro on the other side for the neocons. That makes total sense.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you have to always remember we keep for or we don't. But the public generally forgets, especially the Shapiro fans and the podcast fans, the podcast averse or whatever you want to call it. Podverse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Potter Sphere.

[Adam Curry]

Potter Sphere. You have to remember that Ben Shapiro hated Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He was an anti Trumper from the get go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep, yep.

[Adam Curry]

And when he was writing for Breitbart, he's the one who set up the phony baloney scandal that made him quit in a huff over the girl who was supposedly molested by one of Trump's guys. I forgot his name. The guy's name starts with an L. And he was, you know, he grabbed her to move her aside.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Oh, you hurt me.

[Adam Curry]

And then. Oh, this is terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was her name? She was a journalist, wasn't it?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she was a journalist and she was her name. And the two of them quit, informed the. You know what they have now daily, whatever it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was that? What was her name?

[Adam Curry]

And that whole thing was a scam and it was set up. And this is still, I think during. Even during that Lewinsky, Not Lewinsky is not the name of the guy, but something like that, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Corey.

[Adam Curry]

Corey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Corey Lewandowski.

[Adam Curry]

Lewandowski, that's it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

And so that, you know, that guy was railroaded. And so you remember that? Well, oh, well, I didn't remember Lewandowski. I didn't remember that. Well, but, but Shapiro, that's when he made a big stink. He started his own operation, started his podcast. He got a little radio syndication for a while that disappeared.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gosh.

[Adam Curry]

Because he couldn't forget all about that. So Shapiro suspect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on, let me see if we can find it. Corey Lewandowski. Nice. I don't see any clips. It's Corey. C O R E Y. But who.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they won't be named. Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Michelle Fields. Yes, Michelle Fields. Yes, Michelle Fields. She was the reporter for Breitbart. Yeah, that's who. That's who it was. Here we go. Is this. Did we have audio here? Oh, that's not, you know, get a report. I think this is the report.

[Guest or Reporter]

Lately, the past few weeks, past week and a half or so. So there has been a lot more tension from 2016, these rallies, a lot more violence.

[Donald Trump]

Violence.

[Guest or Reporter]

Omarosa says that it's just one protester who's done this, or Mr. Trump says that it's just one. I mean, excuse me, supporter who's. Who's punched a protester. I have to take issue with that because we've seen a number of occasions where protesters have been roughed up by Trump supporters. So the idea that it's just one. One guy acting out of bounds is just, frankly, not true. And I tried to press him on his tone and his rhetoric at these rallies, and Jake Tapper did during the debate as well. We have felt at times, me and the other reporters in the room, that we are on the precipice of something potentially very bad happening. So it's not just one person. It happens very frequently, and it's happening even more. So I also asked Mr. Trump, as you saw, about this Michelle Fields incident, and his campaign manager. His campaign manager has been extraordinarily antagonistic towards the press this entire time. Clearly, he did not like that line of questioning. So far, there has not been video yet to prove any of her allegations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Remember, she had. She was showing her bruised arm and everything. Oh, man. Good. Good recall there, jcd. Good recall.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, don't get. Don't get carried away. Just one.

[Adam Curry]

This is so. And this go. And this is when Breitbart was a dominant news outlet. They ended up getting kind of shadow banned by everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

They killed him. They killed him with the red wine.

[Adam Curry]

Poison, and then Breitbart himself was killed. The whole thing is shady. And this phony baloney era early on in the Trump campaign, where their violence, they were beating up protesters. And what were the people protesting about? The whole thing is crap. And Shapiro is right in the middle of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So spy versus Spy, op versus Op. You know, Agenda show is on it. And might as well play this little bit from the. I loved watching the president in his 60 minutes overtime, which is the only 60 minutes you want to watch. You want to watch the full interview.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's funnier.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's much funnier.

[Adam Curry]

They take all the funny stuff out of the real interview.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And they put in clips and stuff. Who needs that? Give me the raw stuff, like a podcast. Nora was very nice to him. And here is the.

[Adam Curry]

Nora. Let me stop there for a second. So in the early. In 2016 era, Nora, when she was on the morning show, she had on cbs, but she was an early girl. They moved up to New San Diego.

[John C. Dvorak]

Early girl.

[Adam Curry]

And she would. When Trump's name would ever come up, she would just grimace and she, you know, because she's pretty, if she smiles and you know, looks bright eyed, but she has an angry look. And she had it all throughout this interview. She tried as hard as she could to be nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

She did pretty good. She did okay.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here's Trump explaining how he will be able to run in 2028. I didn't get a lot of not the play I expected it to get.

[Guest or Reporter]

There's been a lot of talk about 2028 and who will be at the top of the Republican ticket. Can you set the record straight? You're not going to try and run for a third term?

[Donald Trump]

Well, I don't even think about it. I will tell you, a lot of people want me to run, but the difference between us and the Democrats is we really do have a strong bench. I don't want to use names because it's, you know, inappropriate, but it's too early.

[Guest or Reporter]

People do like when you start talking about whether you like J.D. vance or Secretary.

[Donald Trump]

I do like J.D. vance. I like Marco Rubio. I like so many people. We have an unbelievable bench. We could run two people together. We have a great bench. So I don't want to start talking about elections. It's too early. One thing I can tell you, the 2020 election was rigged. And a lot of people say when it's rigged, you're allowed to do it again. It was rigged and it's been caught. And you see the same information that everybody else does and it's coming out now.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of people say I love it.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know why I missed that, but that's hilarious. She's there. She's so flat footed. She doesn't, she can't do any repartee with him because she hates him.

[John C. Dvorak]

What people.

[Adam Curry]

She can barely keep a smile on her face. And that is a that right there. She should any good interviewer to cracked up last?

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. Of course. What people see, what people say. The Supreme Court. The Supreme Court and by the way, Constitution.

[Adam Curry]

I think they nailed 11 or 14, I can't remember probably 11 million viewers for that episode. And I think they average like normally three or four. Whatever the case is, it was a ratings bonanza for 60 Minutes, which Trump always is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course he is.

[Adam Curry]

And they just bugs him to no end. They still hate him.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I agree.

[Adam Curry]

I think the hate is visceral. It's apparent to me and it was there with Nora.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's so good. And I got a lot of people emailing me like, oh, was this the deal he made with Barry Weiss? I said, no, Barry Weiss turns out to be pretty smart. Part. It's like, get the President to do an interview with someone who at least won't be, like, yelling at him. Let him. Let him talk, let him say his thing, and then you'll see that people like it and people want to watch it. He's like, I'm. I'm impressed. I'm already impressed with Barry Weiss. Way to go.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think they. You know, the last thing she pushed was that other interview that was.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it was Witkoff and Kushner.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Whitcoin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

And it was boring. Very boring, because those two guys are boring. And they set her up. They made the interview boring to prove that Barry Weiss doesn't know what she's doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was also Leslie Stahl who did that interview.

[Adam Curry]

And she's terrible. She's too old.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she's not too old for a podcast.

[Adam Curry]

No, she's too old for a podcast. She'd be a terrible podcaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

You're fired.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're fired from podcasting. Said the.

[Adam Curry]

When you can't do a podcast, that's saying something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So they set that up. So it was a flop. And it was. And so then they. She came up with this idea, I'm sure. And they tried to make it a flop by putting Nora in, who hates Trump. I mean. I mean, I like the way you think about it. It's different, but that's the way I see it. And it turned out, because Trump is Trump, it got a big ratings hit. Now 60 minutes. That the team there is screwed, because now they have to listen to Bari Weiss. If she has more suggestions, she got clout.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now all of a sudden, the twinkle toes sky dance is like, hey, we love you, Barry. Good job, everybody. Listen to Barry. We know how that goes in corporate life. David.

[Adam Curry]

One minute, you're up. Next minute. Oh, we never liked her.

[John C. Dvorak]

David Ellison does a memo to all. All at skydance, [e-mail]. hey, everybody, look at. We're so proud of Barry. Good job. And then President Trump got to do his peace president bit. It was fantastic.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

But I brought.

[Donald Trump]

I mean, just a little list of. Look at this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got a little list. I got a little list. I have a peace list, but I brought.

[Donald Trump]

I mean, just a little list of. Look at this. Wars. How many did I solve? Cambodia. This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I solved them.

[Donald Trump]

Cambodia, Thailand, Kosovo, Serbia, Congo. The Congo. And Rwanda. Pakistan and India. That was going to be a beauty. They shot down seven planes. Israel and Iran, you've heard about that one. Egypt and Ethiopia, that's another beauty. Ethiopia built a big dam where there's no water going to the Nile, Armenia and Azerbaijan. And if you take a look, Israel and Hamas, which is a, you know, rough little situation, but it's going to be.

[Guest or Reporter]

I do want to, to talk about, I mean, you have branded yourself the peace president.

[Donald Trump]

Well, I think I did pretty good. I solved those eight of the nine wars.

[John C. Dvorak]

You walk right into that.

[Donald Trump]

Solved. You know how I solved them? I said, in many cases, in 60%, I said, if you don't stop fighting, I'm putting tariffs on both of your countries and you're not going to be able to do business with the United States.

[Guest or Reporter]

Why isn't that working with Putin?

[Donald Trump]

It is working, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

What are you talking about? It's working. Can't.

[Adam Curry]

I did different with him, by the way. That was a good question on her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Part and he had a great answer.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he came. Well, because what the problem is these scripter, these people that just read from a script and they can't read, they're not fast on their feet because they don't do podcasting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can't think. Can't think.

[Adam Curry]

They can't think. So they get Trump just, you know, circles them around, around and around, and they don't know what they're doing. It's terrible for people.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have a lot of listeners, listeners who don't like President Trump. You are watching incredible history in the making. Enjoy these three remaining years, really enjoy it, because you will never in your. Well, we won't. But you, even the Gen Zers, I.

[Adam Curry]

Don'T think anybody will. This guy's a singular character.

[John C. Dvorak]

You'll never see anything like this in your life. This is your jfk. Not comparing him to jfk, but what he is doing is, you know, all of the. And this will probably, this should probably lead us into Mamdani. So you've got all of these Republicans who were running for governor and, you know, other. And of course, mayor in New York, and they, and they, they're so stupid. They didn't follow he even said it. I think they didn't follow Trump's lead of saying, okay, look, we got the, we've got the board, the woke stuff. That's not what people are interested in right now. Now they want economy better. They want to hear the economy's doing better. What are we doing? I can't believe that the New Jersey governor's race was lost to a Democrat when he Literally has a deal like three miles from the New Jersey state line in Pennsylvania to build ships, South Korean ships. He's brought in billions of dollars of deals and we're financing it with credit lines to these countries for South Korea, for Japan, for Argentina. These are credit lines. We are in control of the financing, not Wall Street. Him and Bessant. Gotta give Besson props. I'm not quite sure where this guy came from, but they are doing incredible things which will work if they don't kill Trump. That seriously keeps crossing my mind. Mind he is going to turn the United States back into a country where you can get a good $80,000, $100,000 a year job working on building big beautiful ships and other stuff. He's pushing trade schools for everybody. Pushing it. This is really, it's an amazing moment to me and people who are all mad and sitting around. Hey, Epstein Files, you're missing out on a great show. You really are. I think it's a great show. What do you think, John? What do you think of the show?

[Adam Curry]

He's this entertainer.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a total entertainer.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the reason that that woman kicked his ass in New Jersey is because he was, you know, he attached himself to Trump in such a way that he became associated with the stoppage of the building of that tunnel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, he screwed that one up.

[Adam Curry]

He screwed it up. He should have just divorced himself and said we need to get that tunnel built.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And because that's a job killer. And he screwed up. It was just a massive screw up because he was a little too much of a Trump psychophant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I like to say psycho fans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So then, you know, then we have and I. Did we talk about this? I told you about. Yeah, we did talk about the Flynn nonprofit America's Future. They had their little get together and watched.

[Adam Curry]

We talked a little bit about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, because this is the next thing you'll be hearing about. This is so the next thing we all have to. And this is specifically for conservatives and Republicans. Everybody, hair on fire. We're going to be like, Europe, Islam has taken over. I already saw fake videos of like, you know, Times Square. Maybe it was real, I don't know. But you don't know anym. Like, oh, we're doing prayer on Times Square five times a day. New York is turning completely Muslim. Not the same story in Europe as it is here in the United States. Is there some danger? Of course, there always is. But even my friends in the men's text groups, like, oh, oh, no, New York forgot all about 9 11. Now they've elected a Muslim. Like, oh, man. Man. There's a big difference between what happened on 911 and this jamoke, this theater kid in New York just let that happen. Who was. It was your friend who said, oh, your New York friend who said, oh, no, he's not gonna get elected. Who was that? Didn't you have a friend who said that?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, one of an actress.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. I guess she forgot to vote. Now we got a zed in New York. She's like, yeah, we love it. We love it. It's fantastic. We can't wait for.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

For it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cuomo is a sex predator, so we didn't want him. You know, Sliwa. Who cares about. We don't know. Don't even know the guy's name. Really.

[Adam Curry]

No, because. Well, there's no. By the couple of things. There's demographic changes in New York, which are extreme. And they also. All the Republicans have left. They don't live in New York. They're either. They're either Florida or Texas Florida or they're in Jersey or they're someplace else, but they're not in New York York. And they can't vote there. And some of them work there, but there's a lot of them live in Connecticut.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, for sure.

[Adam Curry]

And so they're not voting there. And you end up with the. If you look at the numbers, it was 93% of all the votes cast in New York in those New York City elections was Democrats, 93%. That is one party rule.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

So you just have to want. You just need one guy who's charismatic and that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that he is.

[Adam Curry]

He's very charismatic.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm happy, by the way, because the next time the gen zetter runs into some financial troubles, I'll just say, ask your boy, Mom Donnie. He'll take care of you.

[Adam Curry]

So there were two analysis. The best one was by. And I reposted it on Twitter. Herealdvorak. Again, I mentioned this before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you gone down again?

[Adam Curry]

What happened to my numbers?

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you going down again again?

[Adam Curry]

No, it's just free frozen at 100,009.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's just.

[Adam Curry]

You're in 99.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I can never. I cannot crack 100K.

[Adam Curry]

That's because they're. They're put. They have limiters are called. You know. You know how audio works?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I do. 99.2. Hey, everybody, it's Adam Curry, 99.2 FM. I'm never going to 100 ever.

[Adam Curry]

You might, but it's beside. But Somebody's got to change the. Your. Your number limit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Change my number? My limit limiter.

[Adam Curry]

It's a limiter, is what it is. So it was Glenn Greenwald who took. Actually, Candace Owens the day before, ran this clip, which I'm going to play, which she claims is how the election was won. It was won in the first debate because all these guys are a bunch of stooges. And Mamdani stood out like a sore thumb as a good guy. And it was a setup question. And Glenn Greenwald, which is retweeted, you can go look at this presentation, takes it a little step further and analyzes it with some of his mom Donnie's videos and some of the stuff he did on social media. He went out like a man on the street. He was like, Johnny. Glenn Greenwald went out with a microphone and went, flo. Sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Glenn Greenwald did that?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Mom Donnie Momdani did that? Oh, well, yeah. And then edited everything the way he wanted to perfect. Very smart.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it was more complex than that. And the stuff was edited in favor of Trump, of all things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting.

[Adam Curry]

So you'd have to watch the Greenwald presentation, but you had to watch the whole thing. But he stole the basis from Candace. The way I see it, I could be wrong. I don't think they thought of it the same way. So Candace says that the whole thing was run one in the debate, and the debate was. Was begun with a setup question to try to trap Mom Donnie to make.

[John C. Dvorak]

Him look like, is this the Israel question?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, because the question. I have it here. It's the first clip. This is from the debate. And the question is bull crap. It comes out. The first question is. Or this question that was asked during the debate was, you know, it's important that the mayor go visit foreign countries. And it's always symbolic. The first one, they go to this bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's complete bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

The question was just bul. Bull crap. And it was designed to get Mom Donnie to say he won't go to Israel, which he did say, but he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got a better answer.

[Adam Curry]

And then he backs it up with I read. Yeah, he had a great answer. Everyone else is kiss. He's going, this. These. These guys are stupid. And Cuomo. It seems as if, because he argues at the end of this. Of this clip, trying to embarrass Mom Donnie. It seems that the whole thing was set up to push for Cuomo, which, you know, is a setup. It was a setup question.

[John C. Dvorak]

The whole thing was rigged, backfired, was totally. He May have gotten the question. His team may have gotten the questions beforehand. We know this happens with Democrats. I think he was. I heard this when it happened. I think we even talked about it briefly on the show. Like, this is an amazing answer for a New York mayoral candidate. Candidate.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

The first forward visit by a mayor of New York is always considered significant. Where would you go first? Left, right? The south? First visit? I would visit the Holy Land. Mr. Cuomo, given the hostility and the.

[Supreme Court Justice or Legal Expert]

Anti Semitism that has been shown in.

[John C. Dvorak]

New York, I would go to Israel.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Mr. Tilson, where would you go? Yeah, I'd make my fourth trip to Israel, followed by my fifth trip to Ukraine. Two of our greatest allies fighting on.

[John C. Dvorak]

The front lines of the global war on terror. Mr. Mamdani?

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I would stay in New York City. My plans are to address New yorkers across the five boroughs and focus on that.

[Guest or Reporter]

Mr. Mamdani, can I just jump in? Would you visit Israel as mayor?

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I will be doing as the mayor. I'll be standing up for Jewish New Yorkers, and I'll be meeting them wherever they are across the five boroughs, whether that's in their synagogues and temples or at their homes or at the subway platform. Because ultimately, ultimately, we need to focus on delivering on their concerns.

[Guest or Reporter]

Just yes or no. Do you believe in a Jewish state of Israel?

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I believe Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state, as a state with equal rights. He won't say it has a right.

[John C. Dvorak]

To exist as a Jewish state. Be very.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

And his answer was no, he won't visit Israel. I said that's what he was trying to say. No, no, no. Unlike you, I answered. Unlike you, I answered directly. All right.

[Adam Curry]

My goal would be to take my.

[John C. Dvorak]

First trip to Israel.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

My wife's life work in this area means a lot to our family, and it could coincide with my young son, Miles. Bar mitzvah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I think this theory is correct. It is probably one of the few debate clips that made it into my timeline, my sphere, my email, whatever. So it must have been the one that had the most virality that people saw. And of course, it's almost like Trump. America First, New York First. First. It's a simple answer. It was a setup and it blew up in their face.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they all lost their asses to this guy because of that. Now, Candace, of course, goes off a little bit on it to ridicule the Israelis and the Jews and the rest. So I have that little piece of it. Not I don't have the whole thing because she is like Dave Smith. She's talking and okay, and so she goes off. But this little part is good. But the green walled version of this is better. And you, I'd recommend people go look at it on Twitter. This is Candace.

[Guest or Reporter]

This is our country, you guys. That's it. I will. I. You know what? I'm going to take my 19th trip to Israel. Oh, well, I'm going to take my.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

First trip after my son's bar mitzvah.

[Guest or Reporter]

Oh, I was planning on stopping over.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

On the way for our honeymoon.

[Guest or Reporter]

We were going to stop and just go to Israel and do whatever we could. And it's ridiculous and it's obvious. And the way that the establishment comes down, if you don't pedal those talking points, he says something totally normal.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have to remember that Candace was a Democrat, you know, before the whole Kanye thing. And, you know, I don't even know where she stands politically anymore. But she's right about this. Of course. Of course she is. And again, the debate over Israel and America is over. And I just want to accentuate this. We got another note from one of our producers. He has a millennial and a Gen Z. I just need to share this because it's good information for you and for I. My two kids could not be more unlike each other. They are eight years apart. My millennial stepson, 27, who introduced us all to hypno sissy porn, is mentally not doing well. I know this producer because we've read other notes from him about the hypno sissy porn. He has held the job for about a year, which is great. However, he requires that we acknowledge his greatness for holding his job. He literally thinks that we should go to his place of work to witness his greatness in action. His claim is that we no longer show him love and do not support him or take part in his life. From our perspective, he is verbally abusive, brags about every little thing he does. He's tolerable, horrible. One to two visits a month. He thinks we should be hanging out with him and his friends. Everyone I know with a kid that is 22 to 29 is effed up, confused about their sexuality, addicted to perverted pornography, unable to create careers, unable to create healthy relationships. These kids all went to therapy and they are worse for it. Our son's therapists have turned him against us and honestly played a big role in his drift into transgender lifestyle. They created shame instead of helping him work through it. These kids needed a pastor, not a therapist. They will be remembered as the loneliest generation now. My 18 year old gen Z could not be more different. About three years ago he was led to Christ through friends. His entire friend group is from church. Church is their social place. When we were kids we used to go to parties and get wasted. They go to church. He met a wonderful church girl that he has been dating. He's attending Liberty University. God has done really amazing things in his life. I'm incredibly grateful as the church filled in some parenting pieces that as parents we didn't think of. He is not alone. A large percentage of kids around his age are church kids. He got me to attend a couple of times and the number of kids from 15 to 20 year olds was very surprising. Liberty streams the twice weekly convocations. I watched the convocations. He says these kids all watch Nick Fuentes. They are all anti dei. They are all skeptical of Israel. They are skeptical of Erica Kirk. They are anti abortion. Pornography and phone use are their big issues and they are aware of the issues. However, when we were kids we had don't drink and drive and this is your brain on drugs campaigns. They need the same to make these issues equally as scary. Wow. You know there's someone boots on the ground who says this. Yeah. The loneliest generation is the millennial millennials and they're screwed. And these Gen Z kids, when it comes to Israel, they're skeptical. You're not going to convince them any other way so might as well use it for political gain. And that's exactly what Mamdani did here in the right way.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't think the Israel issue with was that front facing with him so much because I looked at a lot of his stuff. He is mostly about. He pushed the affordability issues and he also got 35% of the Jewish vote in New York City.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's amazing, isn't it?

[Adam Curry]

And so there's that. I don't think. And of course I wrote a column on this predicting all this. Of course nailing it not to pat myself on the back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would you like an award? We can do a special.

[Adam Curry]

A Peace Prize.

[John C. Dvorak]

Peace Prize.

[Adam Curry]

So the point is, is that we don't know what he. How he's going to govern because he has no excuse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh no, of course it's going to be a group of people just like they ran Biden. You know, it's going to be.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it's going to be a. But he, if he can put a team together that can govern it, putting anything together. He's already got a team. He's already got a team. And this is A bad sign. He made a big point in mentioning that his transition team. All female.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, it's going to be horrible.

[Adam Curry]

He made an announcement that the transition team is all female and to do that is a bad sign.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course it is a bad sign for New York. But this is what. This is what they want. This is the dsa, which, by the way, I did some research into dsa. It's not actually a party. I mean, it's just a group.

[Adam Curry]

They do have a website.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have a website, but it's not a political party. They're a group and they've got funding and there's unions in there. A lot of socialists and Marxists.

[Adam Curry]

Mostly socialists and Islamists. Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, like radical type people. Not people who practice Islam or Muslim, but Islamists. Serious. Like, what are you doing? And it's gonna suck, of course. It's gonna be horrible. And it will be great because we can all look at New York and say, we don't want that.

[Adam Curry]

You're kind of hoping it sucks. Yes, I think. I hate to say that I'm hoping it sucks because I like New York and I've worked there and it's like I don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course I love New York.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And you live there. So it's. We don't dislike the city and it. But it does go through these phases. I mean, I would. I went the first time I went to New York, that's when Dinkins was the mayor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, worst mayor ever.

[Adam Curry]

Dinkins was bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was really bad.

[Adam Curry]

I was, I was.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was living and working there when Dinkins was mayor. It was fun.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, sorry to hear that. So I went there and I will say that the change that. Then Giuliani came along and the changes were so radical and fast. And fast. Yeah, it was really fast. So the town can turn on a dime. But I do recall during the Dinkins era, and I don't want to get into any details, but the town was a lot of fun.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, yeah. Times Square, it was still dangerous. It was great.

[Adam Curry]

It was. It was. It was a fun place. It was a fun time. You had to be careful.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You had to be very careful. I had a rabbit fur leather coat. Full length leather coat. I walked around Times Square like a pimp. It was great. There was, you know, dirty movies and hookers and.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that 42nd Street Theater. The theater line of theaters was all filth. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then.

[Adam Curry]

Which reminds me, by the way, I'm going to bring this up that you went to that Mystery party. You had the hottie give the lascivious note to you that you read on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And we talked about this at Lurid, I guess was the name of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd call a note at the dinner table. You had a chat about this at the dinner table?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I. I was thinking about it. No, I had a chat with you after the show about it and there was a piece of information you left out.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was that?

[Adam Curry]

That she conveyed that I thought should have been talked about on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

What part was that?

[Adam Curry]

That all the women. Women she knows.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, that wasn't in the note. Let me. I'll tell. I'm happy to tell everybody that. Hey, I got a lot on my mind, okay? There's a lot, A lot going on in this show. So it's not like I withheld it, but. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

No, I didn't say you withheld it. I just said I wanted you because it came in after the show. I knew it wasn't going to come up out of the blue unless I brought it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

She said that all the women that listen to the show, she says of the women she knows that listen to the show show all feel that I am very mean to you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think she's dead on. The women are very observant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And she said. And we like it.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, she said we like it. She didn't say that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You somehow have an incredible sex appeal amongst the 30 to 40 year olds female. That. It's uncanny, really. There's sexual something, which of course is partially due to our lack of video on the podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Because if you saw me. Oh, I don't know. I don't think so. All right, all right. There's an example of you being mean to me. She's nailed it. That's a perfect example right there. Subtle, but yet there it is. You're one chance of being funny and it has to be at my expense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. Yes, well. Well, as we say in the old country, what you love, you make fun of.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's true.

[Adam Curry]

All right. Onward.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, onward. You're on Mamdani.

[Adam Curry]

Do I have any more Mamdani?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you've got Mamdani NTD clips. You've got the acceptance opener. You've got all kinds of.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. So I want to. Desperate. The acceptance opener. I watched the whole 23 minutes. This guy's like Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

He goes on and on and on and he cycles. He cycles. He's very Trumpy. In this guy, it's. Except for the fact that he's a socialist and he's going to screw up because he's going to have an all women team or whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many of the women are black and how many of the women are black?

[Adam Curry]

They're all over the Met. You can count on being trans, black, you know, Hispanic. There's probably not a white girl in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, perfect.

[Adam Curry]

And so. So this is the. So he starts off. His public speaking is so much. It's the best Democrat speaker. He speaks like an old.

[John C. Dvorak]

In a long time.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry, what?

[John C. Dvorak]

The best Democrat speaker we've seen in a long time.

[Adam Curry]

Better than Obama. He is outstanding and he's got writers. This speech, this 23 minute ad libbed acceptance speech was written months ago and massaged and massaged. I only have a couple minutes of it. And this just the opening he got he later on when he attracts, attracts attacks Trump and does other things. It's all well structured and he's. It's a little long. He's boring. This is a problem he's going to have because he's got to be careful using the Trump model. Trump is boring. I hate to tell you this, but I've seen him on these things. He goes on. He talks at least 10 minutes too long. Sometimes he just goes on too much. I mean, it's funny for a while and then you get sick of it. This guy's going to be the same way. He's going to talk you to death. But listen to the poetic way he presents the opening of the speech.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

The sun may have set over our city this evening, but as Eugene Debs once said.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that's good.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I can see the dawn of a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Better day for humanity.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

For as long as we can remember, the working people of New York have been told by the wealthy and the well connected that power does not belong in their hands. Fingers bruised from lifting boxes on the warehouse floor, palms calloused from delivery bike handlebars, knuckles scarred with kitchen burns. These are not hands that have been allowed to hold power. And yet over the last 12 months, you have dared to reach for something greater. Tonight, against all odds, we have grasped it. The future is in our hands, my friends. We have toppled a political dynasty. I wish Andrew Cuomo only the best in private life. But let tonight be the final time I utter his name as we turn the page on a politics that abandons the many and. And answers only to the few.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. I never expected Debs to be the hero of today's socialists. That's amazing.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Eugene Debs is code. You drop his name to indicate you're a socialist. Because he's a famous. One of the. Probably the most famous socialist.

[John C. Dvorak]

He went to jail, I think he ran.

[Adam Curry]

He ran jail. Wrote a lot of stuff in jail. Very famous for being in jail.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Jail.

[John C. Dvorak]

He ran for president to jail.

[Adam Curry]

The socialists of this country, the communists, a lot of Democrats, the super lefties, if you say you even know who he is, they go nuts. I gotta tell you that Eugene Debs's code, it's a code word.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think I saw a single M5M talking head even mention that he talked about Debs.

[Adam Curry]

I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you did? Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I can't remember. I can't tell you who. It probably was.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Fox.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, of course. But not on MSNBC or ca.

[Adam Curry]

No, no. Nobody else would know.

[John C. Dvorak]

None of that.

[Adam Curry]

So. Which gives me. Brings me to a point. I don't know if I have any clips on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Make a point.

[Adam Curry]

The. I have a letter from a guy we were talking about. You know, Comey's been indicted and now they're going to go after Brennan, it looks like, and all these other things. And it's based on a. I'm working on a column. So there's a thought process here.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Mm.

[Adam Curry]

The Arctic frost.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Now, this came out of finding a bunch of burn bags in one in an obscure room. Yes. Outside of a SCIF or a.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, what's the point of putting it in a burn bag and not burning the bag?

[Adam Curry]

Well, we have a note from one of our. One of our military insiders.

[John C. Dvorak]

There we go, Boots.

[Adam Curry]

ITM Legends. Please keep me anonymous for the sake of information.

[John C. Dvorak]

Legends. There you go. Legends. We are the legends.

[Adam Curry]

The right idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Burn bags come back to the forefront with the Comey investigation, allegedly revealing troves of burn bags with classified material from them from years ago. I'd imagine many people are wondering what. How could this even be possible? The answer is absolutely. I am a retired military officer who's done entire tours working in skiffs. S. Cif, which stands for. I forgot, Secure Communications. Something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tent, basically. It's a tent.

[Adam Curry]

It's a room.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a tent in the room. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You have a cubby outside the door that you put your personal electronic devices in. You scan access card or enter a code and you go in for work. You can only enter these spaces if your clearance will allow it. Advantages of skiffs are you can have open classified material and work on anything you need to without fear of Prying eyes or any sort of security coverage concerns. These areas are typically have burn bags in which in most offices or cubicles, there are also burn bags located by the approved paper shredders in common spaces within the skiff. So the bags are in there. There's paper shredders into the whole thing. The truth of the matter is that these burn bags rarely get emptied into the shred shredder and most of the time just get moved into some secure location like a broom closet or supply room and forgotten about. Most people just place their unwanted classified material in a burn bag and assume someone else will dispose of it at an appropriate manner according to the classification.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Very rarely does this happen. Honestly, I am surprised that more incriminating material hasn't been found. About. About more classified worded. Funny. More classified operations in old forgotten burn bags. I guess they're all over the place. What's interesting. This is the final paragraph. What's interesting is there's about six hours of required training. Training annually. Annually. On how to handle a transport, maintain and dispose of classified material appropriately. Clearly most people don't pay attention during the disposal section of that training. Hope this helps. Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's. How typical is that?

[Adam Curry]

It just sounds when it goes, I worked for the government long enough. I'm reading this. Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

Government nonsense.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

This put. I put in the burn bag.

[John C. Dvorak]

I put in the burn bag, boss. I did my job. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So there's probably a trove of material that they're going to go after. Comey and Clapper and Brennan, all this stuff with the Arctic Frost. So I'm thinking, because I'm going to write a column about this, because none of the mainstream media is writing at all about Arctic Frost. None of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

So if you recall, some years ago, we had one of our contacts talk about how if you have a security clearance or you work for an intel agency, even if something's released that's. That's classified and it's a public domain. It's on the New York Times.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're not.

[Adam Curry]

You're not allowed to read it. You're not allowed to read.

[John C. Dvorak]

Read it. Wait, don't we have the Cuomo kid talking about that Famous.

[Adam Curry]

Somebody was talking about it. But it has also been, you know, it was brought up on the show. We discussed it in detail. So I'm thinking, hold on a second. Why aren't the big newspapers and outlets discussing Arctic Frost?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they're also.

[Adam Curry]

Are they so compromised that all their reporters are read in and they're not allowed to read it or talk about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, because they're all spooks.

[Adam Curry]

They're all spooks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because there's no reason. This is a great story. It is a great story. It's a great story. So here's the now with the burn bag information. Oh, my God.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's the. It's about a minute and a half from the 60 Minutes interview, edited. This is Trump on Comey and Bolton, et cetera.

[Guest or Reporter]

I want to ask you about another matter. James, Come Comey, John Bolton, Letitia James were all recently indicted. There's a pattern to these names. They're all public figures who have publicly denounced you. Is it political retribution?

[Donald Trump]

You know who got indicted? The man you're looking at. I got indicted and I was innocent. And here I am because I was able to beat all of the nonsense that was thrown at me, but you can't then accuse me of weaponizing government. They were horrible human beings. They went after the President of the United States. They went after my children. They went into my wife's drawers. They went into my wife's closets. They held the dresses up. She came back, she said, oh, what happened? What happened? Because she's a very meticulous person. Everything's nice and neat. These are crooked people. These are descendants. So don't ask me about. Did you go after Letitia, Letitia James? In my opinion. And I only say in my opinion because I guess the lawyers would prefer that I say that because I have a much stronger opinion. She's a total crook. She's a lowlife. Comey's a dirty cop. Bolton actually helped me a lot because he was crazy. He's the one you want. Him and Cheney, a couple of people got Bush to go out and blow the hell out of the Middle east and then take, you know, then leave and actually, Bolton helped me because every time somebody saw Bolton standing behind me, foreign countries, they conceded. You know why they conceded? Because they said, Bolton's a nut job. Trump is going to take us to war. But I don't listen to people that are stupid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is fabulous.

[Adam Curry]

Bolton's a nut job. Now, I want to mention the people out there that don't know this because they keep bringing this Bolton to thing up. The Bolton investigation began during the Biden administration. This is nothing new that Trump started.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, right. Okay. I, if you don't mind, I asked Rob the constitutional lawyer about the Supreme Court.

[Adam Curry]

The tariff decision. I have some clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you want, you want to, you want to play your clips first?

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe then you can.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can add some color.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe you can do the clarification.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can try, yes.

[Adam Curry]

What do we have here? You have supreme. Oh, yes. I have it unfortunately spelled fupream.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's okay. I speak Dvorak, so it's not a problem.

[Adam Curry]

So the fupream. Coot tariffs.

[John C. Dvorak]

How'd you even get to F? This D is in the middle.

[Adam Curry]

I'm looking like the F and the S. They're two keys apart. I have no idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Idea. Okay. But it happened. It happens. It's okay. The Fu premier.

[Guest or Reporter]

The Trump administration saying it's optimistic after attending the SCOTUS arguments on President Trump's global tariffs. And the president speaking to business leaders in Miami today reacting to last night's election results. We now go live to NTD's Washington correspondent, Mario sue at the White House. Good evening, Mari. What is the administration saying about the president's tariff case? Jeff, good evening. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessen just a little while ago, is saying that he's, quote, very optimistic about the Supreme Court case that's considering the legality of President Trump's global tariffs. And Bessant, who attended the arguments today, says that the Solicitor General presented what he calls, quote, strong, persuasive arguments. And he says that the plaintiffs fundamentally misunderstood and misrepresented President Trump's trade goals.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Take a look. It gives him the ultimate negotiating authority.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sometimes the best tariffs are the ones that never get in for every camera, every iPhone here would have been subject.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

To a Chinese patrol because he had the ability to threaten 100% tariff he was able to successfully execute on foreign policy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I'm glad you have these, because this is all positive. Positive. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I think they say, well, ntd, you know, they. Yeah, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

They hate China. So Fu prem.

[Adam Curry]

Like Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

China bad. Fu prem good.

[Guest or Reporter]

President Trump has repeatedly emphasized that without his tariffs, there would be no national security. And meanwhile, President Trump today is reminiscing about his election victory exactly a year ago while lamenting the results of last night's election. Take a look.

[Donald Trump]

I'm a very modest person. I would never say this. The single most consequential election victory in American history.

[Guest or Reporter]

President Trump celebrates the anniversary of his 2024 election win and proclaims the Golden Age of America.

[Donald Trump]

November 5, 2024. The American people reclaimed our government. We restored our sovereignty. We lost a little bit of sovereignty last night in New York, but we'll.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take care of it.

[Donald Trump]

Don't worry about.

[Guest or Reporter]

While reacting to Republican losses on election.

[John C. Dvorak]

Night with, by the way, it's even better. So I'm always misspelling tariffs because I always do double R1F. Just, it's like, it's hard to get. Get it out of my system. So you have tariffs spelled correctly, but you have fu prem kut. It's even better. You don't even have the R. You.

[Adam Curry]

Know, if I get closer to the screen, it might help. I do have the tariffs analysis clip, which is this. This one that's standalone. It says, I got it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got it.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

The Trump administration Solicitor General defended the president's power to impose global tariffs on.

[Guest or Reporter]

Wednesday before a skeptical panel of Supreme Court justices.

[John C. Dvorak]

Skeptical? On April 2, President Trump determined that.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Our exploding trade deficits have brought us.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the brink of an economic and national security catastrophe. He further pronounced that the traffic of fentanyl and other opioids into our country has created a public health crisis taking.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Hundreds of thousands of American lives.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Trump has declared that these emergencies are country killing and not sustainable.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

That they threaten the bedrock of our.

[John C. Dvorak]

National and economic security, and that fixing.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Them will make America a strong, financially viable and respected country again. A handful of small businesses in 12.

[Guest or Reporter]

Democratic states have accused the President of.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Overstepping his authority by imposing global tariffs where the law doesn't allow it. They maintain that only Congress has the power to regulate tariffs.

[Supreme Court Justice or Legal Expert]

Tariffs are taxes. They take dollars from Americans pockets and deposit them in the US Treasury. Our founders gave that taxing power to Congress alone. Yet here, the President bypassed Congress and imposed one of the largest tax increases in our lifetimes. Many doctrines explain why this is illegal, like the presumption that Congress speaks clearly when it imposes taxes and duties and the major questions doctrine. But it comes down to common sense. It's simply implausible that in enacting iaapa, Congress handed the President the power to overhaul the entire tariff system and the American economy in the process.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

The court is not expected to make a ruling today, but it appears that the justices are concerned about the Trump administration's regulation of tariffs globally, with several justices questioning whether he properly interpreted the statute in question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that was kind of middle of the road. That was ntd. And they got, they kind of got the main talking point, which came out, Interestingly enough, within 30 minutes of the three hours that this took. It was supposed to be, I think it was supposed to be 90 minutes. They went for 180 minutes, but right away, you know, within 30 minutes, which was the opening questions, and they were grilling the administration's lawyer, this Solicitor general, I forget his name, who has a Very, very unfortunate voice. And so Bloomberg clear his throat, and so Bloomberg comes out with this.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

What's got your attention in these arguments today?

[Guest or Reporter]

Well, I think I would agree, I think with most commentators so far, that it does feel like commentators, the justices as a whole, are leaning toward the plaintiffs away from the government and really challenging the government on their interpretation of the statute. On the delegation issues, did Congress give this power, which is a congressional power, to impose tariffs, to the President? We had Justice Barrett asking a lot of really pointed questions and about the words in the statute, their meaning, and whether they encompass this authority.

[John C. Dvorak]

And here is MSNBC and the Stephanie Rule Show. They, of course, took it to the expected conclusion after the first 30 minutes of reports. We're in.

[Guest or Reporter]

You wrote about today's arguments for Slate, and you called them a bloodbath for Trump.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Well, I mean, I think it's pretty clear that the Supreme Court is going.

[John C. Dvorak]

To strike down these tariffs and explain.

[Guest or Reporter]

Why a lot of people were not tuned in today.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

So at least three conservative justices, John Roberts, Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch, they came in gunning for Bear. They were not remotely convinced by the Justice Department's arguments. They said, you know, look, this is a statute that, as you just said, Steph, doesn't talk about tariffs, taxes, duties.

[John C. Dvorak]

Imposts, anything like that.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

It's been around since 1977. No previous president has ever even attempted to use it for tariffs. And now Trump thinks that it gives him the power to impose any tariffs he wants against any country he wants for as long as he wants. This Supreme Court spent four years of the Biden administration saying, look, if the president wants to do something big and bold, he needs to have clear congressional authorization for it. That authorization does not exist here in this statute. And so at least those three justices, plus the three liberals, I mean, they were being consistent. They were saying, we just don't see in the law that you're showing us anything that looks like authorization.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love this guy. Look, I'm telling you, this is a bloodbath. Okay, fine. So a couple of terms that are good to understand. Ipa, ieepa, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. In peacetime emergencies declared by the President, IPA gives the president the power to regulate any transaction in foreign exchange by means of instructions, licenses, or otherwise. This is where it gets all kind of a little crazy. It was basically, basically, forgive me, Lord Ant. Fucking over language. This language is often described as capacious. So the question is, are you reading.

[Adam Curry]

From the lawyer's brief?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I am.

[Adam Curry]

It was not clear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I'm sorry. So how capacious can it be under the Constitution? Then we have the twea. Twea, The Trading with the Enemy act, by the way, the ant fucking term as mine. During times of declared war, TWEA gives the President the same power because we're not in a declared war situation. TWEA doesn't apply here. But the statutory language received attention during the oral argument. Then you have. These are interesting. The non delegation doctrine that says one branch of government, usually Congress, can't delegate its powers to another branch, but there are many exceptions. See our entire administrative state.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then see Chevron deference as an example. The major questions doctrine is related to non delegation. It says that courts won't read a statute to empower the President to determine a major political or economic questions unless the statute makes it clear and explicit. To quote the late Justice Scalia, Congress doesn't hide elephants in mouse holes. So this whole thing really comes down to language. Now, now the first hour. This is where we have the Secretary General with the very unfortunate voice and he is being hounded by the Justices. And Rob says, and I thought this was interesting, he says, we lawyers sometimes hear the adage that if judges are leaning toward one party on a controversial issue issue, they'll direct the toughest questions to that party just to make sure they're not missing anything. I thought that was interesting because that is clearly what was going on here. I'll play a bit of it. Justice Gorsuch.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

General, just a few questions. Following up on the major questions discussions you've had. You say that we shouldn't be so.

[Adam Curry]

Concerned in the area of foreign affairs.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Because of the President inherent powers. That's the gist of it as I understand it. Why we should disregard both major questions and non delegation. So could Congress delegate to the President the power to regulate commerce with foreign nations as he sees fit and collect duties as he sees fit?

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't assert that here.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

That would be a much harder case now in 1790. Isn't that the logic of your, of your view, though?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think so because we're dealing with a statute that wasn't carefully crafted compromise.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

It does have all the limitations that I just talked about.

[Adam Curry]

You're saying you shouldn't.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Look, we shouldn't be concerned with. Yeah, I want to explain to me how you draw the line because you say we shouldn't be concerned because this.

[Adam Curry]

Is foreign affairs and the President has inherent authority.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

And so delegation off the books, more or less. What would prohibit Congress from Just abdicating all responsibility to regulate foreign commerce, for that matter, declare war to the president.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't contend that he could do.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

That if it did. Why not? Well, because.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's the kind of grilling he got. Very, very thorough. So then we have. Now it comes down to the language of otherwise and licenses and tariffs, because it's called tariffs. It seems to be the big issue.

[Supreme Court Justice or Legal Expert]

So, Justice Gorsuch, our position is not that regulate can never mean tax reform tariff. Our brief at page 15 gives you an example. A president may regulate cars coming in to the city, and then if it adds by charging tolls or something like that. Absolutely. In context, it does. Here. The context you're referring to story and so on, says nothing about this case. That is the constitutional context about Congress's use of power.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

But it's part of how we understand language is used, and it's relevant for that purpose. And then when you've got licenses which are economically the same thing, would you.

[Adam Curry]

Agree they're basically economically the same thing as tariffs.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Sometimes they can be something that's economically identical to a tariff authorized by this statute. Where does that leave you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Doesn't matter.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Plainly.

[Supreme Court Justice or Legal Expert]

Let me take the question in two parts. One is about the world word regulate, and the other is about licensing. With respect to the word regulate, when it's used in the constitutional sense, it's very different than the sense in IPA that my friend is asserting. When we're asserting ipa, we're talking about a statute that is granting the president massive powers. And so the relevant context that I think you look at in asking the question, what did Congress mean in 1977? The best context among natural context is what does Congress say every time they grant the President? And then there's just the one other point on this. Constitutions are read totally differently. Story and Madison are talking about the constitutional phrase. And as Chief Justice Marshall said in McCulloch, a constitution we're expounding the prolixity of a legal code is the opposite of the way you read the Constitution.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I do follow that argument.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. So it turns out you. You read words differently when they're in the Constitution versus in US Law. Then Kavanaugh comes in and he's now talking to the prosecution, which is a wine importer and some Democrat states who don't like this. And this is interesting because it turns out the president does have this power, but he doesn't have it in a certain way. They call it the donut hole.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

And I want to pick up on Justice Barrett's question because your interpretation of the statute, as she pointed out, would allow the president to shut down all trade with every other country in the world or to impose some significant quota on imports from every other country in the world, but would not allow a 1% tariff. And that leaves in the government's words in spritz an odd doughnut hole in the statute. Why would a rational Congress say yeah, we're going to give the president the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Power to shut down trade.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I mean think about the effects. But you're admitting that power's in there. But, but can't do a 1% tariff. That doesn't make sense. But I want to get your answer to have a lot of, of common sense behind it.

[Donald Trump]

I think it absolutely does because it's.

[Supreme Court Justice or Legal Expert]

A fundamentally different power.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

It's not a donut hole.

[Supreme Court Justice or Legal Expert]

It's a different kind of pastry on that power.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even Kavanaugh thought that was funny.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

That's a good one on that power, though. And you've said this many times and Mr. Cassiel too. And look, I get this obviously, but the court has repeatedly said a tariff on foreign imports is an exercise of the commerce power, not of the taxation power.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you know, this whole idea that the Supreme Court was skeptical, I disagree with. I think that they really saw the issue here and it comes down to are you calling it a tax? Because that's what we hear Ron Rand Paul call it. And you know, and of course the entire Democrats, Democrat caucus of oh, it's, it's taxing the American people. But no, it's called raising revenue and it's foreign facing. We're really getting into the weeds here.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yes, sure, the tariffs are a tax and that's a core power of Congress, but they're a foreign facing tax.

[Adam Curry]

Right. And that foreign affair is a core.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Power of the executive.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Alito and I don't think you.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Can dismiss the consequences. I mean we didn't stay in this case. And one thing is quite clear is that the foreign facing tariffs have in several situations.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[Supreme Court Justice or Legal Expert]

And we.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, shut up. Were quite effective in achieving a particular objective. So I don't think you can just separate it when you say, well this is a tax, Congress's power, it implicates very directly the President's foreign affairs power.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then the final clip, which I think is really what this will hinge on is if this is a war situation, of course the president will be allowed to do this. You say that this is not, this is Alito, sorry, it was Roberts before That this is. Alito, this case does not. These executive orders do not address an.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Unusual and extraordinary threat. I understand that argument.

[John C. Dvorak]

Suppose that the facts were that it was indispensable. Suppose that there was an imminent threat of war. Not a declared war, but an imminent.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Threat of war with a very powerful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Enemy whose economy was heavily dependent on US Trade, China.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Could a president, under this provision, impose.

[John C. Dvorak]

A tariff as a way of trying.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

To stave off that war? Or would you say no?

[Supreme Court Justice or Legal Expert]

The president lacks that power, couldn't do tariffs. It could do quota, embargo, all of those things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could do all those things, but the president could not impose one thing he couldn't do.

[Supreme Court Justice or Legal Expert]

There's a category shift between a tariff and the other eight powers in ipa because it is revenue raising. So it's not a difference in degree or something like that. That's why, you know, I don't doubt tomorrow, even if the purpose of this.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Had nothing whatsoever to do with raising.

[John C. Dvorak]

One penny, the President didn't want to raise one penny.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

The president wanted to deter aggression that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would bring the United States into a war. I would say no, can't do that.

[Supreme Court Justice or Legal Expert]

Yeah, just. Alito, I think you've said many times, the purpose isn't what you look at. You look to actually what the government is doing. And if you disagree, if you think we're, you know, if you think, excuse me, if you ruled for us and the President says, I need this power, he can go across the street to Congress tomorrow and get it by a simple majority through reconciliation. But if you vote for them, this power, as Justice Gorsuch said, as Justice Barrett said, is going to be stuck with us forever.

[Adam Curry]

The power to ask you.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I think that's why Trump is pulling out the hedge on this. I think that's why he's saying, hey, use the nuclear option. We need to have, you know, just get rid of the filibuster for the end this shutdown. Because he might need that in case.

[Adam Curry]

No, he just said it takes a simple majority. Majority from Congress. He doesn't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really? Okay. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think I. The filibuster thing's going nowhere. There's a couple of things that caught my eye. It's like they gave him an out on one. Licensing's okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So, you know, because here's what. In the back of my mind when I'm listening to these clips is Besant, who came out a couple days ago and said, don't worry about it. Whatever happened doesn't make any difference. We have alternative Ways of doing this. We have our ways, six ways to doing this. And we can make it hurt.

[John C. Dvorak]

We can make it hurt very much.

[Adam Curry]

So the alternative ways would be one embargo. No. No trade.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he can do that for sure.

[Adam Curry]

That's what he said. That's what the justices said right there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And also licensing. Just change the terror to a license.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I don't see this being a big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Rob, the constitutional lawyer, says he views the odds as not bad, which is lawyer speak.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. But not bad is better than listening to msnbc. A bloodbath. It's like, how can people listen to that network?

[John C. Dvorak]

So he says that the tariff. So the main argument is that the tariff opponents say the President can issue licenses as long as they don't involve fees that generate revenue. SCOTUS will spend a lot of time scrubbing this out. And ultimately you're right. And if that's all that the President is left with, he'll say, okay, embargo, no trade or license, you know, and the license will depend upon you giving us rare earth or whatever. By the way, President Trump did get a one year extension on that deal on rare earths in time. Time for some other alternative avenues to be ramped up. So he's definitely done something good there. So I think not bad. Yeah, sounds about right to me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. He also encouraged Australia and other places, including here to restart processing these things. He says it's going to take a year or two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, he said that in the cbs.

[Adam Curry]

It was a mistake. And you saw this years ago, the rare earth situation was not going to be good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it was 10 years ago that we still had a processing plant in California, the Molycore.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I have clips. We should probably take a break. I have clips of that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, before I take a break, I have the perfect intro to the break.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let me guess. Does it involve something from Table TikTok?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it does. And it's a clip. It's a bonus clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, yes. Okay. Yes, the bonus clip. Yes, I got. You got your bonus clip. You want to set it up?

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

This is a woman who hates men and thinks the vote should be taken away from them.

[Guest or Reporter]

I think that we should just repeal a man's right to vote. It's kind of what I'm thinking about. It's kind of what I've been mulling over recently because I know there's been a lot of chit chat amongst evangelical Christians, particularly stemming from the voices of men, which is classic, honestly, that they want to repeal the 19th Amendment. And I think that really what should happen, because, I mean, look at every empire that has existed under a man's rule. What has happened to it. Right, right. So what I'm kind of thinking of, you know what? I think even more so we should just take all men and put them in cages. Particularly a straight white man. Particularly a straight white. A straight white man. Man with a podcast. Those have got to be the first to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, that's good. We're out. We're done. We're in cages. We're done. We should be grandfathered in somehow. I don't know. That doesn't sound fair with that. I want to thank you for your courage in the morning. To you, the man who put the scene. The fu. Prem court, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yeah. In the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Theorists. I'm still one of the dames of knights out there in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the trolls in the troll room. Let me give you a count here. Don't stop moving around. There we go. And we're inching our way back. 1743. That's not too bad. 17.

[Adam Curry]

It's only down 50.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we're good. Welcome, trolls. They're listening at Trollroom IO. Or they could be listening on one of those modern podcast apps. And I have news about the modern podcast apps. Five years ago, Dave Jones and I started the podcast index. We created the namespace. People said, no one cares what you're doing. No more features.

[Adam Curry]

I like you doing that voice, but I have no idea what you said. What were they bitching about?

[John C. Dvorak]

They said, because we said, hey, you know what? Apple doesn't own podcasting. We can create as many new features as we want. And these modern podcast apps, they will. They will do it. And people will use. You know, people use podverse more than any other podcast app on for to listen to this show. I think Fountain is number two. We've got podcast guru and then you. And we're not even on Spotify by design. So there's all these cool features and transcripts was one. Oh, I guess Apple adopted transcripts earlier this year. And two days.

[Adam Curry]

You're actually trying to tell me that people complained about having more features?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. No, no. You have to understand the podcast industrial complex. They don't like anybody rocking any boat for anything. And they. And quite honestly, they find me annoying because I'm like, hey, what? Yeah, I'm sure they just find me annoying. You know, the podcast. We said, oh, yeah, you know, we said, hey, this, you're not going to get deplatformed from this. And then people went, yeah, but you know, Alex Jones, he should be, he shouldn't be on the podcast apps. You understood that. Alex Jones and, and there were several podcast, not the biggest ones, but a big one. Podcast hosting company who said, nobody cares about what you're doing. We're not adopting any of your features.

[Adam Curry]

Podbean.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nope. No, Podbean is actually progressive. They are forward looking and forward forward leaning. And two days ago, Apple podcasts adopted another one of our features which is the cloud chapters. And so now, and I think they're.

[Adam Curry]

Smart because you should get an award.

[John C. Dvorak]

International, we're going to send you a peace prize. I want a peace prize. So you know, that's a big win and that shows that Apple is looking at what we're doing. They're considering what we're doing. We have moved the needle on a very big company and it's good for podcasting and I think it's great. And it's because a lot of people are using these modern podcast apps. Apple's like, we're losing market share. We lost the whole percent to those guys.

[Adam Curry]

Percent's a lot for them.

[John C. Dvorak]

For them, a percent is a lot. But it's also the way we're moving it. And it's not me and Dave, it's an entire orchestra of misfits who are doing this and I want to congratulate them for moving this a little bit forward. And of course in 10 years from now, it'll all be Adam Carolla's idea. And you know.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it already is, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

So as long as I get my international Peace Prize, that'll be fine with me. So go to podcastapps.com you even see Apple now listed in that list because they have three features that are new. So congratulations to them. They are good people over there. It's a behemoth of a company, so I'm glad they that they're able to move the needle. And by the way, I think that the next tag will be the funding tag, which the modern podcast apps have. If you look in any of the aforementioned podcast apps, you'll see a button that you can press that button and it will take you right to the donation page of the no Agenda show. It's amazing. It really is quite helpful. So you're listening, you hear like, hey, you can support us with a donation. Value for value. You just go to your podcast app. You don't have to remember anything even though noagendadonations.com is not that hard to remember. You just press the button. You press the button, boom, you're there. You make a donation. You've helped your favorite podcast. I believe that Apple will do this next. And then you're going to see things happen. And I need to mention something about value for value. Tina has been inundated with people asking her for info. She has a form email now about the crypto. Crowd health. Crowdfunded insurance. It's not insurance, but crowdfunded health care. What is the right word for that? It's got to be a word for it.

[Adam Curry]

Metashare.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, metashare. And I just wanted to explain how it works. You pay a very low amount monthly. I think it's $99 for the first three months, but she pays under 200. The first $500 is for you. And then if you have an emergency or something happens, it's going to be more money than that. You tell them, they immediately go to work. They negotiate directly with that provider, they negotiate it down. You know, it's like 30, 25 cents on the dollar. They tell you exactly what to do, what to say, what to sign, what not to sign. And then they go out to the community, which is quite big at the this point, and they say, okay, who.

[Adam Curry]

Is this Operation Crowd Health? Where are they located?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think they're in Texas, but they're nationwide. You can use them anywhere. Because it's just a crowd. It's actually value for value. That's the thing I wanted to explain. So from time to time, every couple of months, Tina told me she'll get a request to support someone. Someone or someones. They sometimes bundle it, say, okay, we've got a pregnancy. We got three people with cancer. We got this going on, we got a broken back. And then it says, will you help support? So you're paying this low amount. And then, okay, I'm going to provide some value to the system. And it's like a hundred bucks or maybe 150 bucks. It's not a lot of money. It's every two months. So you're still way under your $2,000 of nonsense that you're paying for not nothing. And then when it's your turn, you get a value for value credit check. It's like, hey, this person supported it. So when it's your turn, when your turn comes around, they say, hey, look, this person has always supported everybody else. We're now going to support you. And Tina can explain all that code Bongino. But it's. It's. Unfortunately, once you hit 65, you're out of the system because then apparently you've got married Medicare and you're on your own.

[Adam Curry]

Medicare is not bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I know, I know. This is why I keep telling her, don't worry about it.

[Adam Curry]

What do you think it costs a month?

[John C. Dvorak]

I have nothing.

[Adam Curry]

No, it costs money. You're under misassumption.

[John C. Dvorak]

What does it cost a month?

[Adam Curry]

About 180 bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. Don't you have some donut hole you have to fill up because it doesn't take care of something? Things?

[Adam Curry]

Drugs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Drugs. Okay, well, President Trump is getting those prices into. Into check for us.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

It's a scam.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just all a scam.

[Adam Curry]

Drugs are a scam anyway, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I find it a very interesting value for value type of proposition. It's a lifestyle. It's a new international lifestyle. Live it if you want to. If not, then pay those bankers $2,000 a month for nothing with your $8,000 deductible. Good luck with that. So we have lived by value for value. We know it works. And we don't have any credit checks on you to see if you donated, although we do notice that a lot of people we check. I don't. I don't have nothing to check.

[Adam Curry]

Some nasty note comes in and a guy comes on and he says, I'm not gonna donate anymore. I'm sick of you guys. I usually check and they're never donated. They never have donated, never will. This reminds me when I was a magazine writer. You going to cancel my subscription?

[John C. Dvorak]

They have no subscription.

[Adam Curry]

If you have access to the database, they don't have a subscription to begin with. This is bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's interesting, isn't it? There's some things just always stay the same, and it's also uniform.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's. That's what they think is leverage.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would. Yes. Well, I was talking to Pastor Jimmy yesterday and.

[Adam Curry]

Pastor Jimmy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pastor Jimmy, by the way, this is the joke at the church now. Pastor Jimmy and the Five Brians.

[Adam Curry]

This is a. Yeah, Jimmy and the Five. There's only four, but it makes it funnier to make him five.

[John C. Dvorak]

People like this a lot. No, he said the biggest people who support the biggest donors of the church. He says half of them, I don't even know their names, it's anonymous. The other half never ever talk to me about anything. He says the people who sometimes tithe or not at all, they're the ones that complain the most about how the church should be Run.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Hello.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. But it's interesting that this is uniform across the board. The biggest don't. The biggest value for value. Supporters of no agenda. One line note. Thank you. We love you.

[Adam Curry]

Good night.

[John C. Dvorak]

The lower you get.

[Adam Curry]

They don't bitch and moan constantly.

[John C. Dvorak]

It doesn't matter. We love all of you and we thank you very much for your courage and for your support, whether it's time, talent or treasure. And we will start it off with some of the time and talent that is brought to us in the form of artwork for our. Our album art. By the way, all of the end of show mixes. We now actually post the end of show mixes in the actual credits so you can download them, do whatever you want. Since there seems to be no restrictions.

[Adam Curry]

Which is new for us.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very new for us. There's no restrictions and we love it. And of course you can go to gitmojams.com and listen to this slop 24 hours a day. We have three songs an hour now. The rest is end of show mix stuff, which is quite funny to listen to. Thank you, mvp. He set up a website for it. We're still working out the bugs. Let me see if it's up. Actually, Gitmo, jams.com and what? What? So I don't know. I. I may have a DNS thing here. Anyway, it should be working. If it's not working today, it'll be working tomorrow. It's all filled with quotes by you and it's a end of show mixes, jingles. But really we're moving, moving towards full time slop. All slop, all the time. So the slop that we thank here is the AI prompted slop. And actually we both immediately kind of took to the artwork from Capitalist Agenda, which is not a typical AI piece, nor is capitalist agenda necessarily an AI artist. This was choking the M5M chicken for episode 1813, which we titled Lunchbox from Lunchbox. AI. We both like this piece. It stood out. It really stood out as something different, which is how I imagine once that the Hot 100, the Toe Tapping 100, is all AI slop music. They'll be one of those things that just pops out. It's like, whoa, okay, this is different. This is good everything.

[Adam Curry]

Capitalist Agenda, who is a good artist, Is he? The fact that he. The thing that makes this work, besides the choking of this chicken with M5M underneath him is the. Which is a. It's a lewd reference, you know. Bring us back to the hottie that gave you the note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It's the eyeballs with the swirl in them which really makes this work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only an artist understands that and only an artist.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, or someone has some, some notion of how a cartoon should look would have that. I mean, the only other possibility was the eyeballs popping forward. Boy, that would work too. But this is. This is just dynamite. Beautiful piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

Had beautiful luminance in it. Nice white background. Jeffrey. Ria, you need to either do something with your art or you need to get another language model. You are the orange man. All your.

[Adam Curry]

What he needs to do is get a copy of Photoshop or some other system, drop the art in there, and then brighten it up. Take to take the filter out the orange.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, we literally, we look at Genius page. It's like his signature. It's like everything he does is orange. It's all orange. It's got a. It's got a, a film of orange over everything. And I immediately hate it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're getting, you're never gonna get picked. I mean, you'll get picked for the newsletter once in a while, which you. I think you got last time. But you're not gonna. But Adam will veto all your pieces because they're so orangey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And it's. It's not that hard to fix.

[Adam Curry]

Like the, the methane cow. Yeah. It's a beautiful piece. It's a good piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

Too orange.

[Adam Curry]

Orangey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Too orange.

[Adam Curry]

He's got another one missing. Chocolate orange.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then nestworks. Now Nessworks came in. Nessworks is also a good artist and he makes a. Another fundamental detrimental mistake on his sock hop art.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. This was, this was noticeable to me immediately. The people aren't wearing socks. The reason. Let me go back to just one more time. This last. I'm going to bring it up. A sock hop was called a sock hop not because it was a cool name. It's because it was required that you wear socks. Because they were having a dance pants on the gym floor of the school of a basketball court usually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And in those days, people didn't wear. They didn't wear Nikes in the olden days of the sock hop. They wore leather sold shoes. They didn't wear bowling shoes either. They wore leather sole shoes. Bowling shoes are actually kind of slippery. They would be okay. They wore leather soled shoes. And when you dance on a dance on a basketball, you ruined the court. It's scratched up. It's all. It's a mess. So you had to wear socks. So when you see somebody in a sock cop wearing shoes, it doesn't make sense because it never happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So they throw you out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Disqualified. They throw it. Disqualified. Disqualified. I did kind of like nessworks boots dancing on the M5M. By the way, I haven't heard from our boot guy. We gave him such a. Like such an alley oop, like, come on, man, let's make these no agenda of boots. Just like pbb. Pb pbd.

[Adam Curry]

Blue acorn had some boots too, that I thought were nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But ultimately he had a chicken and the blue. The blue acorn had two chickens in the background, which I thought added a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But we'll have. Once our boot guy gets back to us and we get some no agenda boots. Made in America. Made in America. Made in America boots. That's our exit strategy, man. Where you at? Opie. Opie shoes. Opie boots. Come on. It's not called Opie boots. I forget what it's called.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Opie boots.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's Opie shoes. Hold on a second. Opie Shoes. Op Way. Opway.com. they do the sneakers. But then he has. He started a boot company. The sneakers are nice too, by the way. We could go for sneakers. Opway.com. they got some nice sneakers. High end. We could out do infotainment. Valuetainment. Well, he's.

[Adam Curry]

Valuetainment. Infotainment.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a Braun Bloom.

[Adam Curry]

That's a Ron Bloom title. His are Italian.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So ours are.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But the thing. The problem. Well, the problem he has as opposed to the sneakers is that people don't wear shoes anymore. They wear sneakers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

You would look at it. You watch tv, they're coming out with a suit on. Wearing sneakers. Sneakers. People. The number of people that wear Ferragamos, which is incredibly comfortable shoe or Gucci.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if. But have you looked at. At value. Valuetainment shoes. They're basically sneaker leather patented sneakers.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Hello 70s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No, I think the op ways that maybe that's better for us.

[Adam Curry]

We'll find out. We're play it by ear. As long as there's no tariffs involved.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he makes them in America. There's no tariffs. He makes them in North Carolina. This beautiful thing. All right. Of course, we always want to thank our producers who supply us with treasure. Here's how that works. You go to noagendadonations.com or hit that little dollar sign or whatever it is in your podcast app. You go right to it and you support us with your Fiat fund coupons. Or I see actually that we have some bitcoin coming in that's just the col coding on the spreadsheet. And here's how that works. In this segment, we thank people who we call executive and associate executive producers. These are real credits that they get because they are able to support us, just like in Hollywood, with more money. $200 or above gets you an executive associate executive producer credit and will read your note. $300 and above, you become an executive producer and will read your note. And if you question the validity of these Credits, go to IMDb.com, type in no agenda. You see that there's over a thousand people who have done this, and you can use that to your advantage. In fact, if you're dating and you're Gen Z or even Millennial and you're having trouble and these women want to know they're trying to figure out how much money you have, you just say, well, I'm an executive producer. What? Yeah, look me up. Hit me up on IMDb.com baby. I'm right next to Dana Brunetti. Huh? Okay, so we kick it off with our top executive producer, who comes in with a. Wow, this must be some kind of Freedom Mirka donation. 1776 and 33 cents. It's Aug from Texas. And Aug says, dearest Podfather and Grouch. Yeah, that would be you. In the words of warrior monk and philosopher Alexander Jones, they're turning the frogs gay. No, he says, the solution to 1984 is 1776. A while ago, I made a similar donation in honor of sir and Mrs. Heck of Eagle Ford. Come to find out, he doesn't listen during basketball. And she doesn't listen to donations. This is one for me. Wow, they missed out. But if they hear it this time from the kid they taught to never stop asking for questions, thank you. I pray I get to support no agenda more regularly. Happy All Saints Day. Feliz dia de los muertos. The Day of the dead Mofos. Or something like that, says O.G. thank you very much, O.G. we appreciate that. That is welcome, very welcome today. And.

[Adam Curry]

And there we go to Sir Schwartz. May the schwartz be with you. 333.33. Keep it up. What's up, guys? Sir Schwartz of the Woke, bashing culprits. Overtax, Gitmo, Little Mermaid.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's code for something.

[Adam Curry]

It's code for something.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there's Dame Catherine coming in with a Bitcoin donation. $300. She says, I know times are hard, and I am a most fortunate woman to have bitcoin. I love you guys and Appreciate all that you do. Remember, being rich is having enough to share with all others. From Dame Catherine, Cryptogranny of Bangkok. Thank you, Dame Catherine. Very nice.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she's been begging for us to have a crypto thing because she's.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, not crypto. Bitcoin.

[Adam Curry]

Specifically Bitcoin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And there it is. There it is. But, you know, it was always. It was on the donation thing, and so I've had Jay change it because you had to click on. On a thing to go to the. Where you should. It was a long story, but you made it easier. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good for you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Catherine's always. She's always. She's very much in touch with the show. Astrid Klein.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, you can also boost us from Fountain and your message will come through.

[Adam Curry]

Astrid Klein. You know, if people have a message, email it. You send it to adamacuri.com or john or. No notes, no agenda. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Go ahead. Not to me or you. To notes.

[Adam Curry]

No, you're right. That's why I stopped.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, keep going.

[Adam Curry]

Not to me or Adam, but [e-mail] [e-mail] and the key is to put donation in the subject line.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wow, that's so smart.

[Adam Curry]

People don't seem to remember this.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they remember adamacurry.com that's all they seem to remember to remember. Sure.

[Adam Curry]

Firewood is in Tokyo. 22219.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Archduchess.

[Adam Curry]

Dear John and Adam, many congratulations on 18 years of public service, which I believe it to be. Thank you for always being your authentic selves. Honest, charming, at least in my case. Sprinkle with a little bit of bickering. The right mix to keep it interesting. We wouldn't like it any other way. And we sincerely dread the end of four more years. Dame Astrid and Sir Mark, Archduchess and Archduke of Japan and all the disputed islands in the Japan Sea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, and. And people should know that we are not susceptible because of this very system, to audience capture. That's. That's what everyone else is falling for.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. Everybody wants us to say this. Most recently, Ukraine. Remember that? Whenever. I mean, we had Ukraine flags in.

[Adam Curry]

Texas, which is idiotic.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's totally idiotic. It went away. It went away. We knew it. We move on to Associate Executive producer Anonymous from Hartford, Connecticut. 210 and 60 cents. I am writing this with great shame. It's probably why you're Anonymous. I have been aware of no agenda since 2018, although I only started listening in September 2020. 4 Episode 1698. You can thank Carl from who Are these Podcasts for hitting me in the mouth even if it took six years. It's okay, you're here. Your show makes my long Monday and Friday commutes to and from work tolerable. Lastly, I'd like to thank all ATC workers. You are all the glue holding the aviation industry together. We appreciate you showing up and doing your hard work during these rough times. Sincerely, an anonymous Citation Pilot It's a jet boy.

[Adam Curry]

Jet jockey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jet jockey, yes. And John and I also appreciate all air traffic controllers and everyone who has feet in the air Jingles Trump they're eating the dogs followed by Nancy Pelosi. Shut up.

[Donald Trump]

They're eating the dogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up. That's a good one. Hadn't heard that one. I like that comment.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good combo. Ah, Linda lupatkin in Lakewood, Colorado 200 jobs karma for competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all of your executive resume and job search engine needs. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs and writer of Winning resumes.

[Guest or Reporter]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have a final associate executive producer. 200 from Christopher Ryan in Hamilton, Ohio and he says Calling all male singers in the Cincinnati area. I initially thought it read male swingers, but it is male singers. The Southern Gateway Chorus is inviting male singers who enjoy acapella music to join our Christmas Grand Chorus show this year. If you've never heard of us, the Southern Gateway Chorus is an award winning barbershop chorus that competes internationally.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a lot of fun. If you're interested in singing a few acapella Christmas songs, visit southern gateway.org and sign up. Love Acapella, but don't want to sing? Come watch the show on December 13th or 14th. You can find all the details on our website's homepage. I'll be performing with the chorus as well as a special quartet during the show singing an arrangement of Joseph Lullaby, a song made popular by none other than Mercy Me. Excellent. I hope I do it justice. Anyway, since I've used you for an advertisement, I won't ask for any jingles. Well, it's barely an advertisement. It's like a solicitation. I love you guys. I love no Agenda. Here's to the shit that makes our love lit. Christopher Ryan P.S. november 6th is my birthday. Please put me on the list. You are on the list. And that concludes our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1814 of the Best Podcast in the Universe. Thank you all very much for your support. Remember, you get these credits automatically. If anyone ever questions them, let us know. We'll be happy to vouch for you. Go to noagendadonations.com anybody can support us. Any amount, anytime you feel like it. It's value for value. Set up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency. Noagendadonations.com Our formula is this.

[Donald Trump]

We go out.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

We hit people in the mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up. So we have. I did have a couple of AI things that I thought were reasonably interesting that I wanted to come back back to.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, AI. Okay. I have a. Actually have a couple of AI clips myself, but they're, they're archived, so you have to dig them up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, then let me get to the fresh ones. The fresh ones first. The AI bubble. Are we in a bubble? Are we in a bubble?

[Adam Curry]

Bubble, bubble.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's going on with the bubble? We have the AI washing, which actually kind of comes down to these types of reports.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I should have warned you. It's Amy Goodman incoming. Sorry, everybody.

[Guest or Reporter]

In labor news, several major US Companies have announced layoffs affecting tens of thousands of workers. Amazon said It'll eliminate about 14,000 corporate jobs, with Reuters reporting that number could more than double as artificial intelligence tools.

[Adam Curry]

Increasingly replace white collar workers.

[Guest or Reporter]

Meanwhile, turn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

But we've already determined it to be bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right? So now I have some CNBC clips about this very issue. It's called AI wise washing.

[Guest or Reporter]

Between January and September 2025, there have been more than 946,000 job cuts announced, with roughly 300,000 from the government sector.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

That's the highest since 2020, and it's a 55% increase from what we saw last year through the same time period.

[Guest or Reporter]

It would make sense to think AI is to blame for the layoffs now that we've had generative AI come in and kind of change the equation. Investors and boards are asking management teams, how are you using AI? Why aren't you using AI? Can I help you streamline costs? But the latest round of layoff announcements in the fall of 2025 suggest AI might not be the root cause of the restructuring.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really? They also seem to be real signs.

[Adam Curry]

That something new is happening, that we've.

[John C. Dvorak]

Turned a corner in the economy.

[Guest or Reporter]

So we've seen a wide range of reasons. You're not really seeing companies say, I am cutting 10,000 employees and replacing them with one single corner computer.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Using AI and introducing it to Save.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs turns out to be an enormously.

[John C. Dvorak]

Complicated and time consuming exercise.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I think there's still a perception that.

[Supreme Court Justice or Legal Expert]

It'S simple and easy and cheap to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's, it's really not. Yeah, this is what your no Agenda show has been telling you for months and now it's all coming out in the AI wash. There's no doubt AI is a powerful force in the economy right now. The extent to which we think it's affecting the economy and hiring is in.

[Adam Curry]

Graduate level, low skilled jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

We haven't been able to find yet much evidence that AI is capable at this moment of taking over sort of white collar middle management jobs.

[Guest or Reporter]

So why are we seeing so many layoffs and how much of it is because of AI? Wall street has been hyping generative AI innovation for several years now, which is putting pressure on executives to make it.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

A part of their business business model.

[Guest or Reporter]

79% of CEOs in the US said they feared they could lose their jobs within two years if they didn't deliver measurable AI driven business gains.

[John C. Dvorak]

Man, this is, this is like have, have we seen this movie before? Like, ah, you got to have AI, you got to have a website, you got to have this, you got to have E Commerce. E Commerce. Do you guys have E Commerce yet? We have been through these things so many times and eventually they act something always turns out to be okay and, and you usable. But this one, this one is different. It's big. Investors need to be a little careful with what some people have called AI washing. And what that is is this idea.

[Adam Curry]

That because business is deteriorating or there's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some difficulty going on with the business. You say, oh, we're letting people go because of AI. No, you're letting people go because the business is hurting and calling it AI and because Wall street is buying anything with the letters A and I attached to it. And so what you might find is you would actually get a bump in your stock because you're letting people go because of AI.

[Guest or Reporter]

There's this kind of financial fiduciary incentive for management teams to say they're using AI and say that strategies are related to AI, even if it's not totally related to AI. There's been surveys that have come out that found companies are attributing certain strategies and plans to AI. But it could be as simple as, you know, using AI to write an email for you. Right. Is that really a revolutionary use of this technology? No. But can you say you're using it as part of your strategy? Technically, yes. Even Meta's decision to cut 600 workers in October 2025, they cut those workers from their AI unit. And that's because the AI unit had gotten bloated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. I love this. But. And you know, I know, I know lots of people who. Oh, yeah, I use AI at work to, to make my email. Email better. And then, you know, I adjusted, of course. But I mean, how is that, how can that be improving productivity?

[Adam Curry]

Shouldn't you. No, it's actually probably not. Well, I mentioned on the show before, about two months ago that there was a study done internally that has not been publicly discussed.

[John C. Dvorak]

At a nondescript AI company. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

No, at Nvidia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Nvidia.

[Adam Curry]

And they tried to find places where the AI was, was actually increasing productivity and they couldn't do. Could be a bull crap story. So I can't say for sure, but it sounds right to me. Well, and the, and the fact that productivity is. If you write an email, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then send it to you right now from the point of where you're finished, the email to you sending it to AI to improve it, quote, unquote, it could have been done right. It would have been shipped.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you're.

[Adam Curry]

The productivity is going down. Down, not up.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, you're making a big mistake here. You're pronouncing it Nvidia. No, it's not Nvidia. According to Nora and President Trump, it's Nvidia.

[Adam Curry]

Nvidia.

[Guest or Reporter]

Listen, I know we're out of time, but just on that matter, we talk about that because I know how closely you follow the stock market. Do you worry about an AI bubble?

[Donald Trump]

I guess I worry about everything, you know, I mean, you know, I'm a worrier. I worry. But you know what I do? I worry and then I fix it. I fix it that way I don't have to worry.

[Guest or Reporter]

There's a lot of money behind AI.

[Donald Trump]

Well, there's a lot of money, and right now I'm taking advantage of it because we're leading AI. You know, we're leading it by a lot. China's in second place, but we're leading it by a lot. We have the greatest minds of any country anywhere in the world, and we're using that. I'm using those great minds to help us. Now, will something happen later? I guess, you know, something. But it could also be something very good happens. And I hope it's going to be very good. But if it's not so good, we're protected.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think this is the Wrong clip. This is the Nvidia.

[Adam Curry]

It sounds like it's the wrong clip.

[Guest or Reporter]

Will you allow the chip maker Nvidia.

[Adam Curry]

Nvidia to sell their most Nvidia Nvidia Nvidia Nvidia.

[Guest or Reporter]

Will you allow the chip maker Nvidia Nvidia to sell their most advanced chips to China?

[Donald Trump]

No, we won't do that.

[Guest or Reporter]

But not on the table at all.

[Donald Trump]

We will let them deal with Nvidia.

[Adam Curry]

Nvidia's the video Nvidia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, let's ask Bill Gates if there's a bubble because if anybody knows, it would be Bill.

[Adam Curry]

I also asked him if he is worried about whether we are in an AI bubble. Here's what he had to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need to define bubble.

[Adam Curry]

If.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

If what we mean is like tulips in the Netherlands that they went to.

[Adam Curry]

Look back and said, what the heck.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

There was nothing there. Those were just tulips. No, that's not where we are. If you mean it's like the Internet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bubble where in the end something very profound happened.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

The world was very different. Some companies succeeded, but a lot of the companies were kind of Me too felt behind burning capital companies. Absolutely. There are a ton of these investments.

[Adam Curry]

That will be dead ends.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you think, John? What do you think?

[Adam Curry]

No, Bill's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but what do you. What do you think will be the. What will the killer app be? Is it going to be porn? Is it going to be.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the killer app. There's no. The killer app is already. Is Chat GPT already here?

[John C. Dvorak]

But what. But what is so killer about it? What.

[Adam Curry]

What is the people are using instead of search engines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so that's going.

[Adam Curry]

So that's a big deal. I mean one of the one thing a lot of people only do on the Internet is do searches. I mean Google the rest of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, duck, duck, go.

[Adam Curry]

So just Grok. Grok and Chat GPT, which is more or less the same probably. I think Grok is delivers better results personally. But that's just.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like have you put Grok into X ray expert mode and then. And then done a search. This actually I think is. Is interesting because it will go out and it will scan through 10, 20, 30, 60s. I've seen 90 web pages and something that I could do myself, but it does it faster than I could do.

[Adam Curry]

You'll do it a lot faster than you will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It still takes several minutes to come back with an answer. But yeah. And I just like, I'm not paying for this.

[Adam Curry]

Who.

[John C. Dvorak]

How can this happen?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, there's your. There's the. Yeah, therein lies the rub.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is exactly what came up in a conversation that OpenAI investor Brad Gerstner had on a Zoom call with Sam Altman. And funny enough, Satya Nadell was also on the call. It's a three way. And here's Brad's question and Sam's answer. Quite arrogant, you know, how can the company with 13 billion in Republic revenues.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Make 1.4 trillion of spend commitments? You know, and, and, and you've heard the criticism, Sam. We're doing well, more revenue than that. Second of all, Brad, if you want to sell your shares, I'll find you a buyer. I just enough like, you know, people are. I think there's a lot of people who would love to buy OpenAI shares. I don't, I don't think you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Including myself. Including myself.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

People who talk with a lot of like breathless concerns about our compute stuff or whatever that would be thrilled to buy shares. So I think we, we could sell, you know, your shares or anybody else's to some of the people who are making the most noise on Twitter, whatever about this very quickly.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do plan for revenue to grow steeply.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Revenue is growing steeply. We are taking a forward bet that it's going to continue to go grow and that not only will ChatGPT keep growing, but we will be able to become one of the important AI clouds, that our consumer device business will be.

[John C. Dvorak]

A significant and important thing.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

That AI that can automate science will create huge value. So, you know, there are not many times that I want to be a public company, but one of the rare times it's appealing is when those people are writing these ridiculous OpenAI is about.

[John C. Dvorak]

To go out of business and you know, whatever.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I would love to tell them they could just short the stock and I would love to see them get burned on that. But you know, we carefully plan, we understand where the technology, where the capability.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is going to grow go and how.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

The products we can build around that and the revenue we can generate. We might screw it up. Like this is the bet that we're making and we're taking a risk along with that.

[Adam Curry]

That is the most arrogant response. Oh, already you want me to buy your stock or you want to buy stock?

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. I could find someone who wants to buy your share. What's interesting is Altman has an amazing tell. He really believes what he's saying because when he answers these questions, you know how in nlp, neuro linguistic programming, if someone looks to the right and up, they're Lying. If they look to the left and.

[Adam Curry]

Up, there's a bunch of these different theories.

[John C. Dvorak]

He looks up to the left, which. Which means he's visualizing. He's visualizing his PowerPoint presentation, his deck. He looks up. It's almost like he's looking at the light bulb on the ceiling. The guy goes all the way up. We're going to have a lot more revenue. And he said something interesting, which I was kind of overlooked. He said, are consumer devices. I only heard that in the second run through, as I had already clipped this. His consumer devices. What consumer devices would they be coming out with that could be interesting?

[Adam Curry]

Maybe he gave something away. Unless he thinks that just a website's a consumer device, which is. Nobody else would define it that way.

[John C. Dvorak]

And regarding shorting, Michael Burry, the guy from the Big Short, he has put a $1.1 billion short on Nvidia and Palantir. And Palantir, actually everything crashed a little bit. Not a crash, but 8%.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we talked about that on the DH Unplugged show, which runs every Tuesday. Yes, people should download it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It starts at 8 o', clock, central nine. It's on the stream. It's Andrew Horowitz, who is a money manager and a fine human being. One of my friends. I love him, love him very, very much. His services are beyond compare. He's fantastic. And columnist John C. Dvorak. Let's join Andrew and John. John now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good. Yeah. What was the challenge?

[Adam Curry]

Palantir has got a PE ratio of 200. A 100 PE ratio is like hot stock. So there's 200. The stock should be half the price. It is the way I see it. And Horowitz did not agree with me, I mean, he did agree with me that the prices of the stock is. It's ridiculous. Yeah, because people don't understand what earnings per share or. I'm sorry, PE ratio. The ratio. The price earnings ratio. What? It usually indicates the number. The number usually indicates the yearly rate of growth. That's what it's supposed to reflect. So if you have a pe ratio of 30, that means the company's going to grow by 30% a year. Hopefully. It's just a guess. And so if you have a 200% percent or a 200 PE ratio, the stock is supposed to be growing at 200% a year. No, if it grows 100% a year, that's doubling. So come on, give me a break. So you look at these PE ratios and you try to determine if they're sensible. We Both like Palantir, by the way. I think we both think it's a good investment, but not at these prices.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not financial advice.

[Adam Curry]

Not. And we don't give financial advice.

[John C. Dvorak]

What else? So any.

[Adam Curry]

That's it.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

That's all I got.

[John C. Dvorak]

No predictions on a crash or anything. That's. I mean, this camp, I don't see.

[Adam Curry]

A crash until the first, actually. I don't see personally, and this is just because I have these 20 and 40 year cycle things that I like to play with. The last crash was in 2008 and 2009 era. So the 2028, it has to be after Trump's out. So it'll be in and you could push it off a little bit so you have a cry. I foresee the following. Trump's presidency reflects that of Reagan's and his vice president. George Walker Bush became vice president and then he had a small blip in the economy just before the election that Clinton won. And, and that I think will be the same sort of thing because Vance will get in there probably with Rubio as his vice president, which would be my guess. If I was betting, I would say.

[John C. Dvorak]

The other way around. I think Rubio, with Vance.

[Adam Curry]

Rubio would like to see it the other way around, but I don't think that's what's going to happen because Rubio can still become president. You'd have two Vances and then Rubio could take over. So you'd have the long stream, it wouldn't work out the other way. So you end up with. But it's not going to matter because what's going to happen in the 28 to 30 era, you're going to have another crash enough so that it's going to shake the Democrat Party and you're going to end up with Democrats in again or the Republican Party and the Democrats will get in in 2032.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, hopefully we're dead then, but we.

[Adam Curry]

All be dead that far from now. I want to see that.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll still be spitting in the mic, baby. More years. Four more years.

[Adam Curry]

I gotta wash my, my. Never mind. Yeah, your, your, what is it called, the thing that you have in front of the mic?

[John C. Dvorak]

The, the, the, the wind screen.

[Adam Curry]

Windscreen. I have to wash my windscreen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Filter, pop.

[Adam Curry]

Filter, pop filter. That's it. I, I use one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's do a. I have two clips here to commemorate the passing of, of former Vice President Dick Cheney, the man who had his heart in a bag for the past 10 years. There were some things that.

[Adam Curry]

Remember when he had the mechanical Heart they had to take out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, because he did.

[Adam Curry]

Because there was no rhythm. If you have a mechanical heart and it's just pumping blood continuously, you can't keep track of time. You can't do anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a lot of things with Dick Cheney, the CBC did, did. I'm surprised there wasn't more. I thought we would have had more obits. Did they think that Cheney would just live forever? They didn't have anything pre produced on the, on the planet.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody hated this guy pretty much. Trump didn't even acknowledge that. I know that he died because, you know, he ended up voting for Kamala. The guy was a terrible person.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen to the CBC obit. Trust the Canadians to do it for us. So help me God.

[Adam Curry]

Congratulations.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the time he was sworn in as US vice president to George W. Bush in 2001, Dick Cheney had already been a long standing force in Washington. I picked him because he's strong, he's.

[Adam Curry]

Steady and he gets the job done.

[John C. Dvorak]

A White House staffer under Richard Nixon.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Chief of Staff to Gerald Ford, 10.

[John C. Dvorak]

Years a lawmaker on Capitol Hill, and Secretary of defense to George H.W. bush. It was as Vice President that, that Cheney became as divisive as he was consequential. The enemy has shown a capacity to.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Inflict great damage on the United States and we have to assume there will be more attacks.

[John C. Dvorak]

After 9 11, Cheney cemented the widely held view it was his hand that guided the Bush presidency. Dick Cheney's legacy is fundamentally complicated. Garrett Martin, professor at American University School of International Service, says Cheney will be forever seen as promoting the most controversial US policies of those years, including pushing the false notion Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, enhanced interrogations or torture, essentially the Patriot act or surveillance. Also domestic spying on Americans.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

And of course, his most hawkish line.

[John C. Dvorak]

On the war in Iraq. And being largely unapologetic about it.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

What we did in Iraq was exactly the right thing to do. If I had it to work recommend.

[Adam Curry]

All over again, I would recommend exactly.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

The right same course of action.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then there was my favorite about Dick Cheney. In 2006, Chaney accidentally shot a friend while quail hunting. Though another Chaney friend described it as a peppering. Late night comedians had a field day.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Peppering is what you do to a Caesar salad.

[John C. Dvorak]

He shot that dude. George W. Bush today called Cheney a decent, honorable man. His death a loss to the nation. But the current president is a big time Cheney critic. As a Republican lawmaker, Cheney's daughter Liz supported Donald Trump's impeachment here's Trump in 2022.

[Donald Trump]

The Cheney's are die hard globalists and warmongers who have been plunging us into.

[John C. Dvorak]

New conflicts for decades.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Just last year, Dick Cheney took on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump directly with a campaign ad for daughter Liz.

[Adam Curry]

There has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cheney, a lifelong Republican, said he'd vote for Democrat Kamala Harris today. Trump's White House lowered the flag to.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Half mast for Cheney, underlining U.S. law.

[John C. Dvorak]

Requires it to do so. I loved it. I loved it when he shot that guy in the face. Remember how funny that was?

[Adam Curry]

I didn't see it, so I don't know how funny it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was, it was if we didn't have memes back then. But if you imagine, oh man, he's like, oh, sorry man, I shot you in the face. No, I just peppered. It's okay. And who was the guy who got shot and he was like, oh, it's okay. It was just a peppering. Was not a big deal. His face was full of buckshot.

[Adam Curry]

No, it wasn't buckshot. It was birdshot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Birdshot. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, big difference.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's gone. He's gone. Ding dong, he's gone. I wonder, I wonder if he's meeting Jesus right now. I have my doubts.

[Adam Curry]

I doubt it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have my doubts.

[Adam Curry]

So a couple of light clips. Let's go with these tiktoks. I got a couple here.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, this will be it. Because we got to get out of here, man. It's way too much content.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, this will be the end of it then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, which one?

[Adam Curry]

Well, just one of them. If I'm going to pick one, I think we'll go with the non binary girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, non binary girl, you're up.

[Guest or Reporter]

Two things to know. I'm non binary. I go by they them. And I work in a store that is pretty much all women. So whenever they're like addressing us or when they're talking, they're always like, hey ladies. So I've taken it upon myself as someone that is non binary to use this to not listen. And whenever any anyone addresses a group as ladies, I am not included. So when they say, hey ladies, let's like stop talking or hey ladies, let's like get to work. I will do none of it because you're not talking to me. You're not talking to me. You're not talking to me.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

So.

[Guest or Reporter]

I will not listen to anything that is said when it is started with hey ladies, I'm a lady. Not A lady. A lady.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they. Oh, goodness gracious. Did you share this with Chanel, Thady?

[Adam Curry]

No, not yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't wait.

[Adam Curry]

But there's definitely a point of information. The new term. They. I never heard this before. They d. Okay, ladies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, deities. I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

[Adam Curry]

So we're gonna have Adam go through the people that donate over $50 and then they'll take us to the meetups and some other housework.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we have Ed in Summit, New Jersey, and he actually has a switch. He wants us to switchero this to capitalist agenda, who helped me out with an amazing image. Bringing apple juice, the hockey player to life. He says, from this day forward, I claim 6.167.41 shall be known as the apple juice donation. Okay, Ed. Good luck with that. Sir. Oh, sir. Bernie Adama. Haven't seen him in a while.

[Adam Curry]

No, he's. Yeah, that's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

1, 2, 3, 4, 5. And is a John Specific request to mention postcard book he received a few months ago. This is up to you. What is this about the postcard book?

[Adam Curry]

Well, he had me do a blurb because I do blurbs at the drop of a hat. A lot of people got impressed by this. He does SiouxCityHistory.com go see SiouxCityHistory.com and it's a book of antique postcards about Sioux City, Iowa. Oh, or is it South Dakota?

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Sioux City, one of the two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sioux City, Sioux Cityhistory.com.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Sioux City, Iowa. And I find it fascinating. And he probably needs to sell a few books, so go check it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, so a Dutch guy, he sold a book in Holland, a self help book. 350,000 copies in Holland, which is a lot. His name is.

[Adam Curry]

That's a lot for here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, his name is Michael Polachik and he's a dj. Former dj. Dj. He's kind of from the generation that came after me. And he has it translated in English. And he asked me to do a blurb for his book. Would you mind just adding one as well?

[Adam Curry]

I'll be glad to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. That's what I thought.

[Adam Curry]

You know me, I said it before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just throw it in there. No problem. We got a twofer. Dame Rita Sparks, NV 11106. She appreciates the humor. John Robinet. $100. Thank you, John. Another name we haven't seen in a while. Ash from Texas. 8667. God bless you Ash in Texas. Kevin McLaughlin Concord, North Carolina Boob donation 8008 he says Laos Deo, which translates to Praise be to God inscribed on top of the Washington Monument facing east towards the rising sun. Stephen hutto, St. Petersburg, Florida 75 servent 676 7. There you go. The only 67 donation for this show. David Co Cox in Austin, Texas 6325 Teresa Andrews in Camarillo, California 6161 Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona Small Boob 6006 Susan Brendel in Or Brendel Brendel in Wexford, Pennsylvania Happy birthday to Lori, our wonderful sister. Love from Karen and susie. Birthday is 1111 and that is $60. Steve Banstra he's one of our pilots. Nashville, Tennessee EGS or Over Easy. Oh yes, eggs over easy 5993. Got it. Dame Nancy Sam Bruno, California donate it's good for your soul and for the show. Love Dame Nancy of the Confused 5721 Brian Furley 5510 Double nickels on the dime Cameron Linga Lynge linga, North Branch, Minnesota double nickels on the dime Troy Funderburk, Missoula, Montana 55 Hakon Anderson from Portland, Oregon 5272 and here our 50s James Sharimetta from Napanok, New York Chris Coniker from Anchorage, Alaska Tony Lang from Castle Pines, Colorado Sir Alex Zavala from Kyle, Texas nikkiudads.com, nikki Udads podcast 50 Alex Stubbings and Leslie Walker from Roseburg, $50. They love the show. Eichi Kitagawa from San Francisco, 50 Jason D' Aluzio in Miami Beach, Florida and Walker Phillips from San Rafael, California. $50. These are the 50s and above. Thank you for your courage and for supporting the best podcasts in the universe. Of course, we only mention over 50 and keep the rest under 50. Anonymous. We do have people on layaway programs, et cetera. Go to noagendadonations.com and you can find out all of the wonderful things you can do to support us. But ultimately it's value for value. Whatever value you get out of the show, send it back to us. We accept it and Love it all. Noagendadonations.com A pretty short list, but a very important birthday right off the bat. Greg Speed wishes our very own Speed Racer, Ashlyn Speed, a happy birthday. She turned 19 on November 5th, and we love what Ashlyn Speed does. Christopher Ryan celebrated celebrates today, actually. And Karen and Susie wish Lori, their wonderful sister, a happy birthday. She'll be celebrating on the 11th. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. So we have no nights, no dames, no title changes, but we do have one international peace prize to give away. One no agenda international peace prize. Thanks to OG for Aug's donation of not just $1,000 but 1776 and some some dimes. So you can go to noagendarings.com and let us know where you would like to receive and in what name precisely. OG your International Peace Prize should be. These are the real deal no agenda International Peace Prizes. President Trump and Vice President Vance and Witkoff gets one. Who else gets one?

[Adam Curry]

Trump, Witkoff. Witkoff. Kushner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kushner. There you go. So these are the real deal. And go to noagendarings.com or noagendadonations.com yeah, the meetups. Another great way you can participate in our value for value economy by organizing one or just going to one. It's really good for you, it's good for the soul. You will meet people who are like minded, you'll have great conversations, you'll meet, you'll make connection that is automatically protection. And of course these will be your first responders in any emergency. Today, the Northern Wake Post Halloween recovery hug a thon kicks off at six o' clock in Hoppy Endings, Raleigh, North Carolina. So many meetups there they never send a meetup report, which is a little bit disappointing. Please send one on Saturday. The Treasure Valley, Boise 330@ Old State Saloon in Eagle, Idaho. Also on Saturday, Holy Hobos and Holy Hobos and Pretty People Part 2, 5 o' clock at Post Brewing in Fort Collins, Colorado. And the rest of this month we have Oklahoma, Colleyville, Texas, Fort Wayne, Indiana. Big one on the 15th of November in Albany, California. John will be there. Central Ohio, Zurich, Switzerland, Charlotte, North Carolina, Wilmington, California, Burlington, Kentucky, Spokane, Washington, Wageningen, the Netherlands. Many, many meetups that are taking place around the globe. Don't miss out. Become a part of the movements. We're not just a podcast, we're a movement. You know who always says that?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Glenn Beck.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he says that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Glenn Beck. This is not just a podcast, it's a movement. So join in the movement. Go to no agendameetups.com you can't find one Neo, start one yourself. It's always a party.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days.

[John C. Dvorak]

You wanna.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Be where you won't be triggered or hell, lame.

[John C. Dvorak]

You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

And before we get to the end part of this party, which is a real party with a whole bunch of AI slop. End of show isos. We by end of show mixes, we actually try and select an ISO that we'll play at the very, very end of the show. You once again only have one, which means you're very confident, like Sam Altman. Confidence you're showing us here with the. I just had one ISO. I know. Be the winner anyway.

[Adam Curry]

No, I never said. I know I gave up. I had one the other day that, that Alex Jones beat.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's true. And I don't have any Alex Jones today.

[Adam Curry]

Otherwise I've got a chance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's listen to mine. Here we go.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Seems like it's lot of people gay too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Can't beat that one. Here's another one.

[Adam Curry]

We did such a good job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not too bad, but bad. And then this one, it's.

[Guest or Reporter]

It seems magical.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, those are my three entrants.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I have one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here we go. I double dog dare you to find a better show than this. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Seems like it's making a lot of people gay too.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean that's.

[Adam Curry]

No, we're not using that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's John's AI ISO. And here's his tip of the day.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Great advice for you and me. Just a tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

[Adam Curry]

So since we're approaching the holiday season, I thought I would. Maybe it's a good idea to promote booze a little more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, booze is always good.

[Adam Curry]

And people love these tips on alcohol.

[John C. Dvorak]

The bunch of winos are people.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is not wine, but, but this, this is a product. And I, I have a story. This is product with a story. So we were in South Africa back just before Mandela got in. And who's we?

[John C. Dvorak]

Who's we?

[Adam Curry]

The family.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the whole family.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Took the whole family.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

I was invited to give a. By a very important group down there to bring to talk about stuff and very important VIPs spook work. It could have been been, but so, you know, we were there for a week and so I, you know, going to a lot of bars and restaurants and then I ran into this product there, very well presented, it's stunner and they never had, they did not bring it into the United States till probably five or six years later. And I was stunned when I saw it here because it's one of the tastiest, you know, familiar with these with Irish cream and some of these, these, these cream liqueurs. Well, they're Delicious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But although they're not nearly as good as this South African product, which everybody does everywhere in the country. It's called Amarula A M A R U L A. It's got a big elephant on the label and it's a cream liqueur made with some screwball citrus fruit from Africa. And it just one of the most stunning products you can ever just have a little glass of. It's delicious.

[John C. Dvorak]

And do you think I can pick this up at H E B?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I wouldn't be. Definitely. A liquor store in your neck of the woods would have it. Somebody would have it. I'd be shocked if you can't find it because it's everywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I just picked up two more bottles of my Robert the Mondavi stuff. Yes, yes. It's still the bottom shelf last. There's one. I left one bottle for that one. No Agenda listener in Fredericksburg. And go get it. And that'll be it. So Amarulo. Okay, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It's Amarula A M A R U L A.

[John C. Dvorak]

And is it, is it like a nutty taste or.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it's a citrusy taste.

[John C. Dvorak]

Citrus.

[Adam Curry]

But it's got an aftertaste and an acidity. Everything. This is unbelievably tasty.

[John C. Dvorak]

We cannot wait to taste it. We're all rushing off to our local liquor store. Find all of John's tips at tips of the day.net.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Bernetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

But before you go, we've got some end of show mixes. We got. Man, we got a lot here. Danny loose, Arnold Crabtree, MVP. We got tons, tons of. Of AI slop. Find it all at. Get more jams. Getmojams.com if it works. Hey, coming up next on your modern podcast app, no agendastream.com that Larry show. And I guess he's mad about Mom. Donnie, the title of this show is the Big Rotten Commie Apple. That's Larry for you.

[Adam Curry]

That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's Larry for you. And we of course will return on Sunday to bring you another several hours worth of media deconstruction. There's always something going on in your world and you can get informed here without the spin, without getting spun up, without all the nonsense. But of course, if you want to hear us say nkai, we'll be here for that too. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill country in Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody. I'm alright. Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John Cedarborok.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll be back on Sunday. Until then, please remember us at no agenda donations.com any amount, it always helps it's value for value until then, adios mo foes and such.

[Adam Curry]

When he was.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

At the White House standing tall he answered every single call with his glasses on looking mighty A lesson in real politics you learn listen to me.

[Adam Curry]

Some.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Folks said he pulled the strings Control the budget, control the things A powerful presence, don't you deny Highest office he reached was second high but one thing's for sure the record will show he's a major figure from long ago A political heavyweight tough as nails.

[Donald Trump]

In a.

[Adam Curry]

World where music means nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's Gripmo.

[Adam Curry]

Jams no Agenda in the morning.

[Donald Trump]

Gives.

[John C. Dvorak]

You joy baby Hard trigger warning and five Worst Enemy Crushing the credibility with.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Hilarious clarity no agenda in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

No ads, no dependencies the trolls in the troll room doing their thing Nights at the round table raise your rings Most podcasts are paid for and bought no Agenda uses the ancient art A free thought so I'm hitting you in the mouth Think I'm joking around and find out there you been around the block once or twice it would be nice if you donated some time Double nickels on the dime that would suffice.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

No blankets, just send your cash there's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nothing to watch just sit back and laugh and you don't have to listen to mustache grooming Ass cold Bongino in the morning no ads, no dependencies Got the trolls in the troll room doing.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Their thing no Agenda in the morning in the morning Bed bed, bed, bed, bed bed. It's nine o'. Clock.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you know where your agenda is?

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

My what?

[John C. Dvorak]

No Agenda stream. You want slop Sloppy Joes? It's what's for dinner. No Agenda averages too count em. Two slops per hour.

[Adam Curry]

Oh my God.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yo dog, we heard you like fed music. The blue pill is for normies. The red pill is for incels. Are you ready for the next level?

[Guest or Reporter]

Yes, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then you want the Fed Pill. Fed Pill Records, the official global fan Pill Industries industrial complex. Supplying the world with the music they crave. Oh boy, we've got all the hits from totally real actual musicians. From parodies to Paradox originals to covers silly to bangers. Hear us on the no Agenda music stream or occasionally on the end of show mix. Also available on YouTube. Global Fed pilled Industrial Complex. Get your med bed and take your fed beds. Please just leave me alone.

[Guest or Reporter]

I'm Radio Sex CEO of Fed Pilled Records. Also known as Potty Mouth, the Bundled Crab Tree.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

I am not a fed and have zero agendas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry absolutely did not MK Ultra.

[Adam Curry]

Me in to make this.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a spook. See right there. Come and take your fed pill today. Fed pill may cause hallucinations, memory loss.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Clogged urethra, hair loss. Consult a doctor immediately if you experience.

[John C. Dvorak]

An episode of delirium causing you to.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Believe your neighbor's daughter has kicked your.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dog, or if you hallucinate a space laser hovering above your house for longer than 48 hours.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Consume responsibly.

[Adam Curry]

18 long years ago with.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

A show to invent the crackpot and buzz kill, their talents were lent. It started with Adam's Coal, a simple phone spark, a podcasting concept to leave its own mark with Adam's wild spirit engine.

[Guest or Reporter]

Skeptical hands.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Three hours every Thursday and Sunday they stand no no script, no small talk, no filler to dread. Just news clips and commentary from their own head. They build their own stage, independent and free, a twice weekly fixture for the community. No advertiser's check, no corporate decree. Just a purpose producers gifted to the partners purse with millions of downloads. The Legacy in reverse it is widely known as the best podcast.

[Adam Curry]

At the.

[John C. Dvorak (alternate or additional commentary)]

Universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Audios Mofo Devorak. Org Na I double dog dare you to find a better show than this.