1816 - "Boomer Knowledge"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1816 – "Boomer Knowledge"

Date: November 13, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Theme: Deconstructing Media, Late-Night Politics, Media Manipulation, Boomer & Gen Z Knowledge

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Overview

This episode of the No Agenda Show, titled "Boomer Knowledge," offers a characteristically wide-ranging and incisive breakdown of current political, media, and cultural phenomena. Adam and John deconstruct media narratives around Jeffrey Epstein, explore the inner workings of late-night TV with a deep dive into Jimmy Kimmel's family dynamics, analysis of Western media propaganda, and provide the customary blend of inside jokes, historical context, and value-for-value listener engagement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Merchandise, Marketing, and Podcast Grifts

Time: 00:41 – 09:42

• Discussion on incompetent podcast pitches (Stone McGee email), highlighting how AI-generated or generic spam attempts to sell merch are not only ineffective but erode trust.

  "That is the kind of pathetic pitch... it's a negative. If you get a pitch from a guy like this, you would never do business with him because this is just a moment of incompetence." – Adam [04:33]

• Value-for-value as the foundational No Agenda model: merch doesn’t scale, repeat buyers disappear fast, and physical products like challenge coins and rings are the only sustainable, unique collectibles.

• Anecdote about challenge coins and hypothetical future appearances on Antiques Roadshow:

  "At some point, like a hundred years from now, people... will discover them and it'll be on Antiques Road Show." – Adam [09:11]

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2. The Epstein–Trump–Media Frenzy

Time: 09:47 – 21:24

• Deconstruction of the latest media cycle regarding Jeffrey Epstein’s emails referencing Donald Trump. Adam and John critique the framing of media reports, focusing on the suggestive and manipulative language used (e.g., “threaten to raise questions”).

  "Why don't they just raise questions? What do they have to threaten to do it?" – Adam [13:18]

• Analysis of international news coverage (France 24, BBC, CNN) and comparison of subtle bias, especially regarding Trump's involvement or knowledge.

• Critique of CNN’s use of archive footage and quotes that don't support a narrative (“Trump was Epstein’s ‘wingman’”):

  “This is one of those classic examples where the host says one thing and... the clip doesn't say it at all." – Adam [17:01]

• Reference to the "Inverse Fredericksburg Theory"—if the consensus says something will happen in 90 days, it will instead end immediately:

  "That's the inverse Fredericksburg theme." – Adam [19:39]

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3. North Sea Nexus and British Monarchy as ‘Deep State’

Time: 21:19 – 28:09; 45:26 – 83:16 (Multiple Segments)

• Banter about terminology: Should “North Sea Nexus” include Spain? John is attached due to jingle creation.

• Critique of the use of “deep state” to describe the UK monarchy, arguing that monarchy is a “surface state”—not hidden at all.

  "I don't think the deep state is a deep state when it's the monarchy... it's the most upfront deep state you can imagine." – Adam [70:16]

• Liz Truss interview is dissected, exposing “deep state” bureaucracy, Bank of England’s unaccountable economic power, and the unelected technocratic element that governs the UK.

  “The government is controlled by the permanent bureaucracy, by the civil service.” – Liz Truss [72:29]

• Introduction to Richard Poe's history theory: The British invented communism to blame the Jews, established the NGO infrastructure for revolution, and funded secret societies for world influence.

  “The British did The same thing to the French that they later did to Russia.” – Richard Poe via John [80:46]

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4. Late-Night TV, Boomer Knowledge, and Kimmel’s Family Struggle

Time: 25:41 – 45:18

• Deep Dive: A lengthy deconstruction of a podcast episode featuring Jimmy Kimmel and his wife (Molly McNearney) interviewed by famous lesbian neighbors Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach, and Amanda Doyle.

  • Molly’s emotional hang-ups about her conservative/Episcopalian family’s voting for Trump; her resentment, anger, and loss of familial connections over politics.

    “To me, them voting for Trump is them not voting for my husband and me and our family.” – Molly McNearney [30:56]

  • Self-brainwashing and family indoctrination are dissected, including how Kimmel and McNearney explain his job loss to their children and blame Trump (false).

    “Our son asked if the president had done this... We both said yes... and that's a lie.” – Adam [36:09]

  • John laments:

    “No, this is not gonna be uplifting. I'll just give you that warning. It's pathetic... and she's always scolding him... he's a beaten man and it's almost pathetic to watch.” – Adam [31:21]

  • Molly’s admiration for her lesbian neighbors (while being embarrassed to identify as Jimmy Kimmel’s wife) is used as a window into class-motivated social hierarchies.

  • Overall, Adam diagnoses Molly (half-jokingly) as resenting everything, not fond of family, the right, or even her own husband, which they argue is reflected in the Kimmel Show’s demise.

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5. Media Manipulation & The BBC/Digital Law

• Damning BBC Edits: The BBC was exposed for splicing together Trump quotes taken nearly an hour apart to fabricate a call to insurrection shortly before the 2024 election.

  “The BBC spliced together two clips that took place 54 minutes apart...” – John [61:59]

• State media subsidies & control in EU:
  (164:10) - Discussion of the EU's “Media Freedom Act” — which, in Orwellian fashion, centralizes media grants and state control, while mandating data collection and cash restrictions under its “freedom” flag.

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6. Boomer knowledge, Gen Z, and the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect

Time: 84:28 – 96:07

• Adam and John discuss the “Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect:” readers recognize inaccuracies in media about subjects they know well, but trust stories on unfamiliar topics in the same publication.

  “We are susceptible to this too... we have tons of [producer] feedback... we try to reflect reality as best we can, I think better than anybody else.” – Adam [93:02]

• Example: Heather Heying and Bret Weinstein misstate the origins of podcasting, reinforcing the Gell-Mann effect for Adam (who invented podcasting’s technical infrastructure).

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7. Listener Engagement & Value for Value

• Recurring acknowledgment of the value-for-value model, donations, and meetups. Regular reminders that modern podcast apps (e.g., Fountain, Podverse) provide notification immediacy.

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8. Political and Economic Speculation

• 50-Year Mortgages: Skepticism about proposed 50-year mortgage plans, viewing them as a scam to benefit banks and perpetuate debt.

• Democratic Party Maneuvering & the 2028 Election: Schumer, Newsom, and AOC’s future political roles are speculated; Schumer seen as the not-so-obvious mastermind behind Democratic strategies.

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9. Healthcare/Insurance System Critique

• Listeners write in about the absurdities of US healthcare billing, pricing, and insurance mandates, especially state-imposed penalties for lacking insurance.

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10. Urban Drone Warfare

[115:17 – 119:09]

• A Pentagon source shared with John confirms the future of warfare is urban “drone-on-drone” battle, not conventional armies, leading to speculation about new forms of city sieges.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You can’t get repeat customers… then you’re stuck with a pile of T-shirts.” – Adam [07:14]
• “We’re not lying. Kimmel lied probably with her writing about how it was a Trumper that killed Charlie Kirk and it wasn’t.” – Adam [39:28]
• “She obviously doesn’t like men, doesn’t like her husband, she doesn’t like anything... This is a horrible person. And she runs the Jimmy Kimmel Show.” – Adam [45:18]
• “I think we have to come to grips with this... confrontation is always saddening.” – John [42:05]
• “We are old boomers. We don’t know who the famous young lesbian authors are.” – John [23:37]
• “They are people with an agenda who have huge amounts of unelected power.” – Liz Truss (via John) [76:51]
• “It’s the same system we see today. We’ve got NGOs everywhere now.” – John [82:59]
• “This is why late night television is dying, everyone is a warrior.” – John [39:14]
• “We have infected her (Heather Heying). We are inside her brain somewhere, possibly.” – John [92:40]
• “When you see a stop sign, donate to the No Agenda Show.” – John [145:15]
• “We both commented on this to each other. He (art contributor Jeffrey Ria) is overdue. The guy does so much work. It's so hard. You bitch and moan constantly about it.” – Adam [129:12]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Podcast Pitch/Stone McGee email: 00:41 – 04:53
• Merchandise challenges & challenge coins: 06:25 – 09:11
• Epstein–Trump Media Deconstruction: 09:47 – 21:24
• Kimmel & Wife Podcast Dissection: 25:41 – 45:18 (climax at 43:33–45:18)
• British Deep State & Liz Truss Interview: 70:16 – 76:51
• Gell-Mann Amnesia & Media Literacy: 84:28 – 96:07
• Urban Drone Warfare: 115:17 – 119:09

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Tone and Style

Adam and John alternately strike a sardonic and deadpan tone, blending serious media deconstruction with running gags, deep historical references, and affectionate mockery of generational divides. Their “boomer knowledge” is invoked humorously while also being offered as critical to understanding history and media manipulation.

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Conclusion

In this episode, “Boomer Knowledge” is not just a theme but a tool: the show leverages generational experience to cut through hype, expose manipulation, and remind listeners of both history’s repeating scams and the enduring power of a self-sustaining, participatory media community.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my dad was right. Adam Curry. John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Thursday, November 13, 2025. This is your award winning Get More Nation media assassination episode 1816.

[Adam Curry]

This is no Agenda with bikini clad babes.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where there's no bikinis because it's raining out, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning. That's right. Who gave us these? Somebody sent these.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember somebody.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they look like.

[Adam Curry]

It's one of the few times they send them to both of us. Usually I just get stuff and they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look like a really bad sex toy.

[Adam Curry]

And it takes a lot of. You have to figure out how to use it. Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

It takes talent is what you're saying.

[Adam Curry]

And what's the point by people have to. We should probably take a picture of this and put it on the newsletter. But it'. What's the point of the lid?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if you close the lid, it doesn't work. So I.

[Adam Curry]

Right, but what's the point of it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if you look inside is to.

[Adam Curry]

Keep rats out of going in it or what? What's the point?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, well, look, I have wondered this myself. Funny you bring it up and if you look inside, there's a very sensitive film inside. And so I believe it is to protect that from rats. You see that? There's a little film, little rubbery thing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, I see what's in there. It looks like a smiley face.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, if you touch. If you touch that, then that. That thing has a little.

[Adam Curry]

I wouldn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay.

[Adam Curry]

This is the kind of crazy, crazy device that we have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good morning to you podcast enthusiasts. We're. We're glad that you're here. I'm waiting for the penny to drop with you.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, you set me up with a beautiful opening for. I'm not sure what. Don't you remember talking about these kimmel clips?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm talking about the great email we received from Stone McGee.

[Adam Curry]

What's Stone McGee? What was the Stone McGee email?

[John C. Dvorak]

Stone McGee said I have his email. Hi. No agenda rings.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, right. Okay. I forgot about this email. Yes, I got an email. I sent it to Adam. I got this email that was obviously done. These guys should be ashamed of themselves, especially Stone McGee. Stone McGee in particular. And yes, I would hope to. Yes, thank you. Thank you for bringing that email up. This is the kind of email we get or I got this one. Both of us get these, though, from guys who are sales guys that really don't know how to sell, because they don't. They can't even write a note. This is not even written by them. It's written by some AI that. And this shows you why it fails. Well, please, please read this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And by the way, I think Stone McGee is a great DJ name. There's nothing wrong with McGee in the morning, everybody. Stone McGee with you. Hi. No Agenda rings. We have no Agenda rings dot com.

[Adam Curry]

So this is where it was this. Somebody scraped the intern found this web address.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wanted to share the result of my 60 day comparative analysis of no AgendaShow. It appears that noagendashow.net and noagendashop.com are receiving better online clicks. The good news, enhancing strategies around keywords like no Agenda Podcast, Knighthood Rings. Sir Dame Status Ring is my favorite.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's a beauty.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like a Sir Dame Status Ring. And unique podcast merchandise, along with effective technical modifications, will allow NoaGendaring.com to improve engagement with podcast enthusiasts. Well, when I heard that, when I heard that we could improve engagement with podcast enthusiasts, I was very turned on. Interested in discussing this further. Regards, Stone McGee. So I just wondered how many people out there are a podcast enthusiast who are listening to us?

[Adam Curry]

Probably a few.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm. I'm sure there are quite a few podcast enthusiasts. Yes. It's amazing. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That is the kind of pathetic pitch. It's a pitch that floats around and I don't know that it, it's, it like, it's a negative if, like, you get a pitch from a guy like this, you would never do business with him because this is just a moment of incompetence.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, and still I wager that he still gets people. Yeah. Yeah, that's great.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I suppose under the. If you send out 1 million emails to every web address that you have scraped.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

There's got to be one that would fit the criteria perfectly for that. So in other words, as it pulled out information, it would pull out exactly the right information and sound like a real pitch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

And maybe there could be 10, 10 or 20 or 30 of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have yet to see one.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't seen one either.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, you know, I did get a note from Justin from OP Way. He was on a flight and he was catching up on no Agenda. He's like, holy mackerel. You guys called me out like three times. He says, yes, no Agenda boots dot com. No agendasneakers dot com and noagendashoes dot com will soon be on the air for our valuetainment footwear valuetainment clone. He says, shall I send the contract? So, no. No. If you can just put podcast no Agenda on the soles of these shoes or stitch in some ITM33s. Just send the donation from time to time, we'll be fine. That's our basic system. That is the value work.

[Adam Curry]

So, yeah, we're not changing nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Although I wonder.

[Adam Curry]

We're not signing anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we're not signing it. How would that. I wonder how the kids at no age shop.com were doing. I haven't heard.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I think they need a boost.

[John C. Dvorak]

No agendashop.com for all your no Agenda Shop slop. It's all there, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I think it may. They may have burned out. I mean, you know, the. The whole. We've noticed this, of course, and we've been doing this long enough that you. Because we did T shirts too, at the very beginning. We did. Yeah. Yeah. We had the node. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eric tried to make money off.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Get monation or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

He lost his shirt, so to speak.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it did. It's a loser.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And people who do merch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Merch.

[Adam Curry]

They lose their asses eventually. Sometimes you'll get a little boost at the beginning, but it's not sustainable because it's like you have a set number of. Of in our case, producers. And they grab a few things now and again at the beginning when they're enthusiastic, and then after a while they stop buying. And so you can't get repeat customers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then you're stuck with a whole pile of T shirts.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Which you can't even give away to anybody else because they don't know what the hell you're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is this Gitmo Nation thing? I don't want this. Bring them to Goodwill.

[Adam Curry]

So we do it this way, which is.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's actually quite difficult. I mean, even so, we have one premium feature, which is the Night in the Dame Ring. And we got a note from.

[Adam Curry]

But we also have the. The other minor they come and go features, which is the.

[John C. Dvorak]

For example, currently we have the no Agenda Peace Prize. Yeah. But that. I mean, that's a very exclusive limited supply.

[Adam Curry]

And then we have the Rubblezer, which I got to do a quick update on the Rubber Lyzer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, for the challenge coin.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. The Paul Couture just sent me a mock up of one side of the challenge coin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He is the best at this. He did the original challenge coin for us. And he does the website that we use.

[John C. Dvorak]

The noagendaart.com no, no agenda art generator.com. it's only been there for 15 years.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. What am I gonna do? I can't, you know, noagendaartgenerator.com so it's very convenient to type all that in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Once you do it, it autocompletes. Don't worry once you get it right.

[Adam Curry]

So he did the original art and he is just incredibly talented artist and he's. I. This will, this thing will be done probably within the next 30 days.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Then we got to have it produced. Which is another. Which Jay will do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I was, I was looking at my, at my challenge coin collection. We have done quite a number of challenge coins. I think my. One of my favorites is the 2012 Challenge geocache coin. Remember that one?

[Adam Curry]

I have a collection too. I don't have. It doesn't come to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

These things will be around long after we're gone. That's. That's what I like.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yeah. That's for sure. And at some point, like a hundred years from now, people, somebody will discover them and it'll be on Antiques Road Show. Yes. And we found one of these. These are very collectible and the market's been going up. What is the challenge coin where I've got two of them. They're worth seven each. Wow. Oh, my dad was right.

[John C. Dvorak]

The antique road show.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. Well, I did see your series of Kimmel clips come in, so I'm very interested. I think maybe just for form sake we should probably do the Epstein stuff because that is. Oh my Lord. Is just so amazing. Trump has mentioned he's the bikini clad girls is all Epstein tonight in newly.

[Guest/Reporter]

Released email, sex offender Jeffrey Epstein repeatedly discussing Donald Trump, shedding new light on their long friendship and seeming to suggest Trump had information he never shared in a 2011 exchange with his co conspirator Glenn Maxwell. Epstein writing the quote dog that hasn't barked is Trump adding, one of his victims spent hours with Trump at Epstein's home. But that Trump has never once been mentioned. Maxwell replying, I have been thinking about that. The emails obtained from the Epstein estate. Maxwell replying, I have been thinking about that. The emails obtained from the Epstein estate were released by Democrats on the House Oversight Committee tonight. House Republicans and the White House say the victim mentioned was Virginia Giuffre, who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Once worked at Trump's spa at Mar a Lago.

[Guest/Reporter]

She had said she never saw Trump do anything inappropriate. She died by suicide. Earlier this year, Trump and Epstein were friends for more than a decade.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you socialized with him?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of.

[Adam Curry]

Females under the age of 18?

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, I better invoke something here, though.

[Adam Curry]

I'd like to answer that question at least today. I'm going to have to assert my 5th, 6th, and 14th amendment rights.

[Guest/Reporter]

Trump insists he broke off the friendship when he learned Epstein and Maxwell were luring away women and teenage girls who.

[Adam Curry]

Worked at Mar A Lago Stole people that worked for me. I said, don't ever do that again. He did it again and I threw him out of the place. Persona non grata. I threw him out and that was it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought the most interesting of the Epstein emails was Michael Wolf, who? You know, this hoity toity journalist, he was basically an image consultant for Epstein. Well, you know, if you do this and then, you know, it'll look like that in the media. I mean, that guy's creepy. He basically was working for Epstein.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. As a PR consultant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Let's go around the world. Let's see what the BBC has to say.

[Adam Curry]

Well, shortly before we came in the studio to record this podcast, Democrats in the U.S. house of Representatives released emails.

[Guest/Reporter]

From the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein that reference President Trump.

[Adam Curry]

They say the emails raise serious questions about how much Mr. Trump knew about the late financier's behavior. Mr. Trump has consistently said he knew nothing of Epstein's activities and didn't engage in any wrongdoing himself. Another White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt, has responded. Responded by saying the Democrats selectively leaked emails to the liberal media to create a fake narrative to smear President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let's check out France 24 then, shall we? A damning new batch which threatened to raise questions about US President Donald Trump's relationship.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, stop. Stop that phrase. They threaten.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, they threaten to raise questions.

[Adam Curry]

To raise questions. No, wait a minute. Why don't they just raise questions? What do they have to threaten to do it? Why don't you just raise the questions as opposed to threaten to. I'm threatening that. That. I'm going to ask you a question. What? What kind of thinking is this?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's even more ludicrous because if I understood the report correctly, it's the emails. Raise the threatening questions. The emails. So this non entity is threatening to raise questions. Listen, a damning new batch of emails.

[Adam Curry]

Which threat threatened to raise questions about.

[John C. Dvorak]

US President Donald Trump's relationship. Oh, those emails. I'm afraid of them. With Jeffrey Epstein and whether or not he knew about the sex offender's crimes. The three emails were released by U.S. democrats on the House Oversight Committee. In one exchange between Epstein and his former girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein alleges an unnamed victim spent hours at his house with Trump. And in another exchange, this time between Epstein and author Michael Wolff, Epstein says of course Trump knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop. Donald Trump has consistently denied that he had any knowledge of Epstein's sex trafficking activities. The White House responded by accusing Democrats.

[Adam Curry]

Of smearing President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the emails could heap pressure on the White House to publish the files.

[Adam Curry]

Democrats in the House are now a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Step closer to forcing the publication with the swearing in of a Democrat as representative for Arizona's 7th congressional district. Do you notice, by the way, that the France 24 report is also done by a Brit? I find that just interesting. Which had been delayed since she was elected seven weeks ago. She has now signed the petition giving it the needed 218 signatures that could eventually lead to the release of the so called Epstein case files. It's too early. We have to drag it out until the midterms. That's when it's going to get really fun. It's too early. Don't do it now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's possible that they're going to force this out sooner than later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, I think they definitely are. That. What's her name, the new girl? Grijalva. Grijalva. It's Grijalva.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know her name either. Yeah, yeah, it's something crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

She was on with Anderson Pooper. Let me see.

[Adam Curry]

No, you won't be able to pronounce her name even when you look at it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see what CNN had. Here's Randy K. Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years.

[Adam Curry]

Are people still talk about this guy, this creep?

[Guest/Reporter]

That was President Donald Trump in July this year offering a very different opinion of Jeffrey Epstein than he once shared publicly. In 2002, long before he became president, Trump told New York magazine he'd known Jeffrey Epstein for 15 years and called him a terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do and many of them are on the younger side. Trump told the magazine over the years, the two have been spotted many times in public together. This NBC video shows Trump and Epstein Socializing in 1992 at a party at Trump's Mar? A Lago Estate. The video released in 2019, shows Trump appearing to say to Epstein, look at her back there. She's hot. While Epstein smiles and nods. Former swimsuit model Stacey Williams, who dated Epstein in 1993, told CNN in an interview, Trump was Epstein's wingman. They were best friends. They were very close, and they were up to no good. The two men.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. She didn't actually say wingman, but why didn't they put the wingman? Nat Puppet. Yeah, she didn't say that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This is the one of those classic examples that we keep pointing out in the show over and over again where the host says one thing and. And the exemplary clip that they bring into play doesn't say it at all.

[Guest/Reporter]

Look at her back there. She's hot. While Epstein smiles and nods. Former swimsuit model Stacy Williams, who dated Epstein in 1993, told CNN in an interview Trump was Epstein's wingman.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she's literally saying she told CNN in an interview that Trump was Epstein's wingman. This is their archive footage, I presume. And yet she doesn't say that.

[Guest/Reporter]

They were best friends, they were very close, and they were up to no good. The two men flew together as well.

[Adam Curry]

Being no good is not the same as being a wingman.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, definitely not. And I like this. He flew on the jet. Yeah, but not with EP theme.

[Guest/Reporter]

Okay, so they were up to no good. The two men flew together as well. Show. Trump traveled on Epstein's jet four times in 1993 together, twice in 1994 and once in 1995. And in 1997. The logs were made public during Ghislaine Maxwell's 2021 trial, where she was convicted of sex trafficking, among other things. Epstein also attended Trump's wedding to Marla Maples at New York's Plaza Hotel in 1993. In 1997, Trump added this personal note to Epstein inside a copy of his book, the Art of the Comeback. It reads, to Jeff, you are the greatest. According to the New York Times, that same year, the two men were photographed together.

[Adam Curry]

I don't even get the joke.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a joke that you could have made.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it would be my type of joke. Yeah, I like that joke.

[Guest/Reporter]

You are the greatest. According to the New York Times, that same year, the two men were photographed together at Mar A Lago. This exclusive CNN video shows Epstein and Trump chatting in 1999 before his secret fashion show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so, okay, so nothing.

[Adam Curry]

Where did that come from? Where was that report?

[John C. Dvorak]

That was cnn.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother. Cnn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And I won't bore you with the Anderson pooper. Had the green, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

CNN was brought into play, as in the newsletter, the last newsletter, as the hypocrite of the week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the newsletter was good. Actually, I like the newsletter because we invoked the inverse Fredericksburg theory, which was perfect. The inverse Fredericksburg theory, where the word around town.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yes, on the show we did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Where the word around town was 90 days. And then we, of course, concluded, well, that means it'll end any minute now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, any minute.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it did.

[Adam Curry]

It ended right after the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grid's going down. No, the grid's not going down to go down. Don't worry about it. That's the inverse Fredericksburg theme.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, the inverse. That's actually. That's a good phrase.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And we should note it because it's been 100% accurate.

[John C. Dvorak]

It has.

[Adam Curry]

100%.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I think you are correct in asserting that this was all done to get through these. The Democratic sweep, the sweep of governors and mayors and other people, 50 prop fix, one thing after another, which surprisingly passed. And you said it would never pass.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no. I never said it would never pass. I said it will never get implemented. Because as we talked about months ago, because when it was first being thought of the redistricting thing before, it was actually a proposition, but they were talking about doing it because of Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

There were some. Some of the local yokels on the Commonwealth Club saying. Yeah, well, the Republicans tried doing this too, and they got it passed and the courts struck it down. And this is gonna get struck down, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, okay. Well, who was challenging it before the courts?

[Adam Curry]

It's being challenged by a number of groups, and the rationale for the challenge is quite good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It's a racial thing. It's racism. They're making new districts based on race, and that's illegal and it's unconstitutional and it's gonna get struck down. It's a bullcrap thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

What, you're telling me the Democrats are racist? What?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I've heard about this. I can't prove it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's.

[Adam Curry]

But I've heard it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I do have North Sea Nexus stuff.

[Adam Curry]

But I have a North Sea Nexus. Well, and by the way, I'm disliking the term.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why?

[Adam Curry]

Because the Spanish. The Spanish have a monarchy and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're part of it. Yes, they're part of it. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But they're not in the North Sea. That's the problem I'm having.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if you go far enough to.

[Adam Curry]

The north, there are on The Mediterranean. It's nowhere near there.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we have jingles and everything. You can. You cannot.

[Adam Curry]

I just like that. But I like the idea of a monarchy being thrown in because there's a monarchic aspect.

[John C. Dvorak]

But everyone is already used to North Sea Nexus.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm not going to kick it off the boat. I'm just saying I just like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like the Eurovision Song Contest, including Israel. I mean, come on. It's like.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's exactly what we're dealing with.

[John C. Dvorak]

We should be able to do this.

[Adam Curry]

I have a North Sea Nexus clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what. You. Why don't we wait with the North Sea Nexus? You have like 8,000 clips about Kimmel. This. This must be weighing very heavy on you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let me explain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay?

[Adam Curry]

Most of these clips are short.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

As you noticed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

This. I felt like I was. This is a. This was from a podcast called We Can Do Hard Things that's run by three lesbians.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

A lesbian, a famous lesbian couple, a famous lesbian couple, author and her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how famous are they?

[Adam Curry]

Well, the woman. I have to go look them up, their names, because I can't keep remembering them.

[John C. Dvorak]

So famous.

[Adam Curry]

No, she's super famous. She's got written a bunch of lesbian books. Like, she's a super famous author and her diesel dyke wife is a famous US Soccer player and a soccer coach. These are not slouches. But I never heard of them. But they're not slouches in the scheme of things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach and Amanda Doyle. Yeah, okay. Super famous.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I feel, too. But you look them up, especially Glenda, and they're famous, but they're only famous in lesbian circles. Oh, you're not a lesbian. I'm not a lesbian. Who are we to say what's famous? Who's a famous lesbian? We can't do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we are famously out of touch.

[Adam Curry]

We are out. We're old boomers. We don't know who the famous young lesbian authors are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, have you checked this for authenticity?

[Guest/Reporter]

I.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I did. And I did a little research. Enough research to indicate that, yes, they're famous lesbians.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this qualifies as media deconstruction because it's not just a podcast. It's a podcast hosted by famous lesbians.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, I'm in.

[Adam Curry]

So that brought. So. So I feel. Here's what. What? And. And so Jimmy Kimmel and his wife, who live next door to the famous lesbians.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

Decided to do their podcast, and they then they revealed a lot to an extreme I think because they were so relaxed with these lesbians that they. It's just because here's what to me. Here's what to me, I felt like Sigmund Freud and Walk who walked into my office, but a sexually perverted, schizophrenic, bipolar, paranoid screwball nut job of the highest order that I'd never see or witness again in my entire life.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that would be Jimmy Kimmel.

[Adam Curry]

No, actually, Jimmy Kimmel's wife.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, this explains a lot about him.

[Adam Curry]

Molly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Molly Kimmel.

[Adam Curry]

Molly McNanerny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something she related to the other Macna Nernie.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no. This is the different spelling. It's totally different.

[John C. Dvorak]

At any point did anyone in the podcast say, hey, stop clamming up, or what? Did that not happen?

[Adam Curry]

So, brother, you got a little list there or something that you refer to for these kinds of jobs?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's called the Troll Room.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, what am I thinking?

[John C. Dvorak]

On point?

[Adam Curry]

What am I thinking? So that. Just to give you an indicator, I'm going to play the two clips of the opening. Now, when you're introduced to a podcast, this is the. I would have to tell you what these clips are specifically. So you get. Because they're. They're put together in a very awkward way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I can tell.

[Adam Curry]

So the one you're looking for here for the starter is Kimmel and Wife one. And before you play it, this is a short nine seconds. So you go on a podcast and you usually. Somebody says, hi, how you doing? And you usually say, hi. Hello, or whatever. You know, it's a phony baloney, greedy. Listen to the way they begin.

[Guest/Reporter]

How's it going?

[Adam Curry]

Hi, guys. How you doing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Good.

[Guest/Reporter]

I might cry just seeing your faces.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

I can try that with you guys. And she's. The first thing she says is not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello, I'm going to cry.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to cry.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to say that next time I'm on Rogan, I say, hey, Joe. Hey, brother. I'm about to cry. It's just so good to see you. Okay. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Now, Kimmel tries to soften the blow with Kimmel wife, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kimmel wife. Wait, Kimmel aunt. Oh, Kimmel wife, too. I got it. You cry on every podcast.

[Guest/Reporter]

No, I already don't feel special. Can you cry hardest today, Molly? I will definitely cry the hardest here, Sissy. Oh, my God, this is so exciting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. But this is neighbor talk. Do they have to take a bus to their neighbor in one of those homes, like those really big homesteads in Beverly? No, Beverly Hills is close together in Brentwood.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're pretty. They're. They're right next door.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right.

[Adam Curry]

I could jump to the one clip. I mean I, I can play all these clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna play Roll the way you want to, man. I'm ready. I'm excited.

[Adam Curry]

Let's. Okay. Would the thing that so far paying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Off, but I'm excited.

[Adam Curry]

There it is again, ladies and gentlemen.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I, I have to say I got a note from Julie. Julie Senseman.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Good old Julie.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Julie says, Adam, I wish you and John would not have talked about how mean you are to him because now I notice it all the time. There it is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's all, it's all subtle. It's all resentful. It's very noticeable. It's noticeable. Okay, so we go with it. We go with it. Now this what got. What triggered my fascination and I don't want to belabor this and make it a 40 minute presentation, but it was a chunk of this was presented on, on every Fox show about her being upset with, you know, her, her relatives. And that's all they left it at. They left all the good stuff out. And I want to start with some of this stuff. And let's go with this is this I think is part of the two parter that is that they played everywhere, at least chunks of it everywhere to make her look like an idiot. And by the way, she is. And she's always scolding him and she's always saying, let's get back on track. Let's get back on track. Let's get back on track. She says that a lot. And he's just, he's a beaten man and it's almost pathetic to watch. And the last clip that I play on this presentation is extremely pathetic. And I leave it for the end. This is Kimmel and wife.

[John C. Dvorak]

Losses, losses.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, Long one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep, I got you.

[Guest/Reporter]

This is random, but I think about it all the time with you guys. Like, you come from a pretty conservative family. Yes, I just.

[Adam Curry]

Not me. But mom.

[Guest/Reporter]

No, not you. And, and I just wonder like, what is Thanksgiving? It's one thing to come from a conservative family and just sort of, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Know, deprogram yourself and go along your life. What is it like to come from a conservative family and then become like.

[Guest/Reporter]

The Mockingjay of the other side? Well, it's definitely been challenging. Thankfully, my immediate family all, they did not vote for Donald Trump. They did the first time. A few of them, we flipped them the second time. It's it's weird. I. When. When Donald Trump was first elected, I was so upset. We all were. But I remember thinking, I understand it because I grew up in a very conservative Republican house. I mean, I bought my dad a Rush Limbaugh tie in high school. I voted Republican straight ticket, and that's what I was told to do. And then I left St. Louis, Missouri, and I met people from different backgrounds, and I started to understand different things and different needs and different people. And there. So there's, like, a little bit of sympathy I have for people in my family that I feel are kind of being deliberately misinformed every day. And they've kind of. They're deliberately being misinformed every day, and they believe it. But it hurts me so much because of the personal relationship I now have where my husband is out there fighting this man. And to me, them voting for Trump is them not voting for my husband and me and our family. And I unfortunately, have kind of lost relationships with people in my family because.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, obviously, I read the New York Times, like, all day long, mainly on my iPad app. Yeah, it's her. It's her. Wow. And so Jimmy Kimmel is fighting Donald Trump. This man, this man, this man of mine. He is fighting, fighting Donald. This is sad to hear. Actually, so far, you've only made me sad.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is not gonna be uplifting. I'll just give you that warning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It's pathetic. And the fact that there are people out there like this. And now you have to remember that she is the head writer of the Kimmel show and the executive producer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, how did she get that gig?

[Adam Curry]

She started off as an intern, I think, when the show first began about 20 years ago, and she worked her way up and took over the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Oh, that's a rags to riches story.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, she seems like an aggressive woman, and she not only took over the show, but she married Jimmy.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she was the writer on the show and they met on the show.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. It's a sexist. That's illegal in some states.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when did the lesbians come in?

[Adam Curry]

Because so far, it's like the lesbians will be explained at the end that they. When they move to this new house. That's when they discovered the lesbians were next door. The lesbians are talking on and off. You can't tell the difference. One of those great shows where everybody's voice is exactly the same. Yeah. But most of this is Molly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

So, I mean, most. The lesbians are very. I'm just trying to clip Molly. And here's Molly again. And this is part two of that clip. This is losses two.

[Guest/Reporter]

It's like, this is not just Republican versus Democrat for me anymore. It is to me, it's family values. And it's really hard for me because I grew up believing in these Christian ideals of taking care of the sick and taking care of the poor. And I don't see that happening with this Republican Party. And so it's. I feel like I'm kind of in constant conflict, and I'm angry all the time, which isn't healthy at all. But I, like, personalize everything. Now when I see these terrible stories every day, I'm immediately mad at certain aunts, uncles, cousins who put him in power. It's really hard. I wish I could, like, deprogram myself in some way, but I. I get really angry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. Come to Bridge church. We'll take care of you. Don't worry.

[Adam Curry]

If you want to be deprogrammed, that's unlikely.

[John C. Dvorak]

I feel really bad for her. She gets mad at her family for putting him. Him in power.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Geez.

[Adam Curry]

So here we go with the. This is just a. This isn't. This is a little later. And this comes up because I just thought it was. It was connected. And this is. This is the Kimmel and wife final resentment clip.

[Guest/Reporter]

Like, every time I go to a fundraiser and we all. We do a lot of fundraising and donating to candidates and causes, I go, of course I'm going to give this, but I'd rather be giving it to Children's Hospital right now. Which, like, why? And I'm giving money so I can make sure this woman who should definitely be elected gets elected. Like, what are we. Duh. Of course this woman should win. Why are we voting for this clown? And I get resentful of the amount of energy we all have to push forward so we don't keep falling back or, like, can we just keep going this way? And we just keep getting yanked back and yanked back. And I get really resentful of people in my life that I feel like put us there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Causes and candidates. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Always women involved. By the way, she's a very feminine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, isn't this. Exactly. Although she's not middle class, but, you know, she's upper class. Upper class white woman.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. She's the classic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very classic.

[Adam Curry]

Now, I got two clips here. This is where they tell the kids when he got. When he got suspended for a couple days. It was such a big deal. National news.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And they have to tell the kids and so there's a lot of what.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is like, it's not like daddy lost his job from the factory. I mean, they're gonna be okay.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is an interesting. This shows you the family dynamics. They have brainwashed their kids. If you listen to these clips carefully, it's quite interesting. And I don't believe there's any exaggeration or embellishment with this discussion. And this is. There's a two parter here. And this is Kimmel and wife telling their kids.

[Guest/Reporter]

And Jimmy let them know. He said, our show is. My show has been suspended. And our daughter immediately burst into tears. And she said, I'll sell my labubus. And we told her, yeah, you should. No, we did not. We told her, no, you don't need to do that. You don't need to sell the boo boos. And our son asked if the president had done this. And we looked at each other and we didn't quite know how to answer that question.

[Adam Curry]

I think I said yes.

[Guest/Reporter]

We did. We actually both said yes at the exact same time. We said, yes, he did. And it's weird, you know, because you don't want your kids to.

[Adam Curry]

It's certainly not an experience I had with my parents.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I think every single parent who has ever lost the job. There is that heartbreaking moment. I remember my daughter saying it when I got fired for the seventh time. Well, dad, you know, I can help. I think she actually said, can't just go to the money machine. I think that's what she said.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's not the point of this clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I understand. And it's the indoctrination about the President.

[Adam Curry]

And the idea that Trump fired him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Trump. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And then they. Because one kid says, oh, did the President fire you? And then they said, yeah, he did. No, he didn't. That's a lie. Yeah, that's just a blatant lie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think we should call the.

[Adam Curry]

Children Protector Letter to the Times cps. Okay, so here's the second part of this is Kimmel and wife, kids two.

[Guest/Reporter]

To calm her down. You know, he said, we're okay. We're gonna be fine. Let you know it's gonna be okay. This does not change your life. It doesn't change your friends. Doesn't change the memories you make. We're gonna be okay. And we really, Jimmy and I think really both believed that night the show was never coming back. And. And then.

[Adam Curry]

So we were lying.

[Guest/Reporter]

So we were lying. But it does. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Then I went over to the pantry and Ate everything in it.

[Guest/Reporter]

That's all so true. And I said to Jane, I said, and Billy, I said, I want you guys to know that it's really important you remember this moment. And I want you to remember this, that your dad and his show are on the right side of history. I want you to remember that. And my daughter very earnestly paused and she said, I thought we were on the left.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Kudos for sitting through this thing.

[Adam Curry]

I couldn't get away from it. I felt like again, Freud. It was unbelievable. So let's go on with a couple of the side notes. Besides that horrible thing to say. I thought we were on the left. What kind of kids. These are kids. They're not teenagers even. Okay, here's Kimmel and his wife about now. This the typical way they think and this is about. They bring in Fox News. I thought this was enlightening.

[John C. Dvorak]

What came away. Fox News. Yeah. Okay.

[Guest/Reporter]

Yeah, they can watch, they can watch Fox News all day. But the hard part for me this is it's a strange position to be in is like you personally know two humans in your life. You're related to our jobs here. We don't tell lies, we tell jokes. But we are literally scouring the news every day. Give presenting people the fact that followed by jokes. And if you can't, why are you to me, I go, why are you trusting that guy over me?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is exactly why late night television is dying, is because everyone is a warrior. Just tell some jokes, show the movie clip, ask the scripted questions and move on.

[Adam Curry]

You know, she says that we're not lying. Kimmel lied probably with her writing about how it was a Trumper that killed Charlie Kirk and it wasn't. That's a lie. She lies on this show when she says Trump fired Kimmel. Trump had nothing to do with firing Kimmel. He may have bitched and moaned, but he didn't, he didn't fire him. He wasn't working for Trump. So they are liars, these two. And listen to the extent of it by the self brainwashing. This is Kimmel and wife on Kimmel's client. This is where Jimmy talks. Oh, finally. Which is rare in this interview, believe me. This is where Jimmy actually gets to talk. But his rant on climate is ludicrous. Biden wasn't president anymore. They're all over Trump and they'll be back to the other side when the other side is in charge. And it's just, it's all, it's a ruse to make as much money as they possibly can. And eventually bites them in the ass. Also. I. I just don't think people are thinking in the long term and that the greater good is. Is more important than individual good for the individual.

[Guest/Reporter]

Yeah, agreed.

[Adam Curry]

We even just. We look at, you know, what we do to the.

[John C. Dvorak]

The climate is like, you know, it's.

[Adam Curry]

Like, hey, I can make some money. I can make a little bit more money if I. I burn as much fossil fuel as I possibly can. It's like, oh, that's great. It's gonna be really hot, and you're not gonna have water, like, you know.

[Guest/Reporter]

Trick or treating in a bikini.

[Adam Curry]

Your grandchildren are going to be living in a hellscape because you made a little bit more money this year. And I just don't. I think that we're going to. We're, as a society, gonna look back at this time and we're gonna be really angry at the people that made those decisions. All of us, not just. Not just the left, all of us are going to look back and go, what the hell did these people do to us? Things were going pretty good on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Planet, and now look at where we are.

[Adam Curry]

It's really. It's, you know, it's hard not to feel defeated. It really is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you think that he really means this, or is this virtue signaling to the extreme?

[Adam Curry]

No, I think he means it. I think he's been completely taken in by it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm not feeling good again. I'm not feeling good about this expose of yours. This makes me feel very. Because there's less. But almost half of America must feel this way.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. I think we have to come to grips with this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I've come to grips with it. But the confrontation is always saddening.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I consider it pathetic. So here's the last clip. And this is the clip. I think it's the last clip. It better be. This is the clip. Is this Kimmel and wife? This is the final anecdote. This is the story about how they met. The two lesbian. The lesbian couple next door. The famous lesbian. Even though you mocked me for mention saying that. But the famous lesbian and her famous wife, whose partner. Wife. I think they're married. I don't know and don't care. And this indicates to me that Kimball's wife has got tons of problems. For one thing, she recognized these people on site. And I'm going to give you. This is a briefing of what you're going to hear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's a lot of setup.

[Adam Curry]

It's a big setup because it's the end so she is. I'm just trying to get you into your mind frame. She knows who these lesbians are, and they're the most famous people in her life, the way she sees it. And she went kind of went nuts when she met them. And then she embarrassed herself in a way that is extremely insulting to Jimmy. And I don't know whether he gets it or not. He does make a little sound in here. You'll hear. And she is a horrible person for doing. Saying what she's about to say. Here we go.

[Guest/Reporter]

We're neighbors. And when you moved here, you DMed us.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[Guest/Reporter]

You first of all. Well, hold on one sec. Let's just go back before the DM happened. I had a full freak out seeing both of you guys outside.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Like, oh, yes, it was.

[Guest/Reporter]

This was quite, really embarrassing. Now, I want to remind you that I've worked at the show for 23 years, and we have, I've, I think, met every possible celebrity and political figure unfazed. I am on a walk. I see you two, and I just became undone. I didn't know what to do. I went, oh, hi.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi.

[Guest/Reporter]

Glennon, Abby. Hi.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi.

[Guest/Reporter]

And then I did a thing that I never do, which I identified myself as Jimmy's wife, which was so gross.

[John C. Dvorak]

I prefer it.

[Guest/Reporter]

I said, hi, I'm Molly. And then you're like, who the hell's Molly? And I'm Jimmy Kimmel's wife. And I wanted to die.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Kimmel, in that little back and forth, says, I. I prefer it. I prefer it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good luck.

[Adam Curry]

And it was like, she. But she's also the showrunner. I should mention she is that what she did there to him, I think, was one of the most horrible things a woman could ever do. She was embarrassed that she was the wife of Jimmy Kimmel, and she was embarrassed to say that and humiliated by it. She obviously doesn't like men, doesn't like her husband, and she doesn't like anything. She hates Republicans and she hates her own family. Family. This is a horrible person. And she runs the Jimmy Kimmel show. So when you. You wonder why the ratings are crap on that show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. What are they going to do after? Because eventually all late night is going to just has to go away.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're going to have to get rid of these shows. And.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, it's possible that the last man standing can maintain enough numbers to stay in business. That would be the Tonight Show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But this is. This has got to end. The North Sea Nexus Report with Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Curry and John Cena Morag. All right, See, we have jingle, so we can't change the name, but we're sticking with North Sea Nexus for now. John has a clip.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I heard this clip and it was totally like the way it was played as a news item. It was done kind of missing the point that we brought up. And you, I think in particular brought up the fact that these, that these, I thought we may have both agreed on it almost simultaneously that these attacks on these Venezuelan votes have got nothing to do. This is classic with us, but it's a way to give it to the, to kind of put the screws to the North Sea Nexus because the drug.

[John C. Dvorak]

Running is the big industry and it all gets whitewashed through the City of London banks.

[Adam Curry]

Which brought me back to the thought which I just kind of recollected, which is you mentioned there's a show that I tried to watch a couple of times. I was on Netflix. I'm not sure what it is, but it's a show about that, that, about this, I guess some guy king or is a royal show. But it's set in modern times and in the background the guy's growing marijuana.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Curry]

This is a show you liked. And like, I found it unwatchable.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a, he's a, he inherits the estate and there's, they're growing marijuana on.

[Adam Curry]

The estate and apparently unknown to him, unbeknownst to him at the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I can't remember the name of it, but yes, great show.

[Adam Curry]

It's a great show. Whose name I can remember.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I watch a lot of shows.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that show which I didn't find watchable. You liked it? I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

I liked it a lot.

[Adam Curry]

And I, it brought, that was brought to mind when I heard this story. But this is the, this, if you think of the backdrop of the, of our analysis that these Venezuelan boats are headed to, you basically headed to a transfer point so the stuff can go to Europe, not here. This story makes it very funny. This is the aha story. UK concerns. NPR European countries have raised concerns about.

[John C. Dvorak]

America's military buildup in the Caribbean, but Secretary of State Marco Rubio says no one brought it up with him at a G7 meeting in Canada. As NPR's Michelle Kellerman reports.

[Guest/Reporter]

Wrapping up his two day visit to Canada, Secretary Rubio brushed off reports that the UK is withholding certain intelligence from the US because of concerns about deadly strikes on alleged drug boats from Venezuela.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have very strong partnerships with the UK and other countries. Again, nothing has changed or happened that has impeded in any way our ability to do what we're doing, nor are we asking anyone to help us with what we're doing in any realm. And that includes military.

[Guest/Reporter]

Rubio says the US has plenty of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Military assets in the region that can.

[Guest/Reporter]

Collect intelligence for what he calls a counternarcotics campaign. And he says this issue never came up during his meetings with other G7 foreign ministers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the show is called the Gentleman. It's a Guy Ritchie series. The Gentleman.

[Adam Curry]

Right, the Gentleman.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this, of course, everyone latched onto this, knowing about the North Sea Nexus. My timeline was filled with it. And I love this because I didn't have this angle from Rubio saying, well, nothing has changed that would make it harder for us. But they, the UK Definitely let out a story. I don't think there was anyone on record saying, hey, you know, yeah, we don't want to participate in this. Knock it. Listen to the CNN version of this. Just into the Situation Room.

[Adam Curry]

The United Kingdom is suspending some intelligence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sharing with the United States because of the Trump administration strikes against alleged drug boats in the Caribbean. Just into the Situation Room.

[Guest/Reporter]

By the way, CNN national security correspondent Natasha Bertrand joins us with her exclusive reporting. So this is so significant, Natasha, because the UK Is arguably the closest ally to the United States when it comes to intelligence sharing. And now on this issue, at least it's pulling back, right? That's right, Pam. So previously the UK had been a very important intelligence sharing partner for the US in the Caribbean because, of course, the UK Has a number of territories in the Caribbean. They have an interest in helping to stop the flow of drugs to the United States and to elsewhere in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so when she says they have an interest in stopping it, what I hear is they obviously have an interest in moving the drugs to the US and the Caribbean.

[Guest/Reporter]

In the Caribbean, because, of course, the UK Has a number of territories in the Caribbean. They have an interest in helping to stop the flow of drugs to the United States and to elsewhere in the Caribbean.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why do they have an interest in that? This is not explained. Why do they have an interest in stopping it? Obviously, she says, I don't know. Is that so obvious? I don't think so. Not obvious to me either.

[Guest/Reporter]

The flow of drugs to the United States and to elsewhere in the Caribbean. And so they would often share intelligence, given the intelligence assets that they have down there with the US to help the US Coast Guard interdict and arrest drug smugglers and also to seize all of the narcotics on board. But that changed when the US Military started actually blowing up these boats, using lethal force against these vessels. The UK was deeply uncomfortable with that, felt that violated international law. And for that reason, it. It suspended that intelligence sharing with the US Just over a month ago, we're told, because it did not want its intelligence and its information being used by the US military to carry out these kinds of lethal attacks.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is. This is so incredible. Yeah, we don't want to use intelligence that gets people killed. What, would you kill people? Over the entire world, we've done nothing but kill civilians and people everywhere with intelligence. But now, oh, no. Oh, we can't kill these guys. By the way, when she says, you know, obviously they want to grab the drugs. Yeah, of course. Because once the officials have the drugs, it's much easier to distribute. I mean, you really have to think of it in these terms. And we've talked about the drug trade since the beginning of this show. I mean, do you remember when HSBC got fined because they were laundering all the Mexican cartel drug money into the U.S. all of it. Oh, I mean, hundreds and hundreds.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's right through their banks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, right through the banks. Hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in cash went in on the Mexican side and. Whoa. Just popped out on the other side. And then CNN gets really creative.

[Guest/Reporter]

Now, this comes amid a lot of skepticism, right? I mean, broadly from legal experts as well as now we're seeing from community about the legality of this US Military campaign.

[John C. Dvorak]

Legality.

[Guest/Reporter]

We have reported previously that the US Southern Command commander offered to resign last month because he had been raising questions about the legality of these strikes.

[Adam Curry]

Bullshit.

[Guest/Reporter]

And he is set to retire early next month.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got the inside track on that. The guy just retired early. He was just tired. He didn't. At no point did he say, this is an outrage. We're killing civilians. I want out. It just didn't happen.

[Guest/Reporter]

One year into his tenure as the Southern Command chief. And so there have been a lot of questions here about whether the US Military campaign is legal.

[Adam Curry]

It's not legal.

[Guest/Reporter]

And now we're actually seeing that play out in, in practice with the UK saying, we don't believe that these strikes. Strikes are in. In keeping with international law. We believe that they're illegal and we don't want to be complicit in them. That is really the key here. They don't want their information being used to target individuals on vessels that are then going to be killed who are in the uk.

[John C. Dvorak]

These are our employees. Stop killing them.

[Guest/Reporter]

And civilians. Of course, the US has argued that they are enemy combatants and they don't want that to be on their hands. And so now we are seeing the suspension of intelligence sharing. Unclear how long that's actually going to last. But there's a lot of ambivalence here about the US military's operations both in the Caribbean and increasingly in the eastern Pacific.

[John C. Dvorak]

So why don't we listen to the BBC and see how the BBC positioned this?

[Adam Curry]

Now, there are reports that Britain has.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stopped sharing intelligence with the US in the Caribbean.

[Adam Curry]

Our State Department correspondent, Tom Bateman, is at the G7 meeting in Canada, from where he spoke to Justin Webb.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, my sense from the Americans is that I think this is happening. You won't get anyone to confir it on the record because this is about intelligence sharing. But it seems that, you know, as the reports suggest, that the UK has declined to share certain limited amounts of intelligence with the Americans when it comes to something they were doing in the Caribbean, which was to pass on details of suspected drug smuggling boats to a task force in Florida. And it appears to be the case that that is not now happening. And the concern, I think, on the British side, according to the reporting, is that there is a concern this would be complicit in potentially illegal activity, as in the American strikes on alleged drug smuggling boats. And you will hear people say, well, the Brits actually, you know, don't contribute necessarily a huge amount there because the Americans are the dominant sort of military force there. But Britain does have naval action assets there and there is clearly some value to the intelligence in that region. I have never heard anything like this. I have never heard. There's never that I can recall been a report. We're not sharing intelligence because you might be killing people. What? This is so clear to me. There's a second part to this. Give us a sense of the scale of it. We know that Donald Trump has been attacking these boats, and we know that Donald Trump has been attacking these boats. Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump is flying over with jets himself. Give us a sense of the scale of it. We know that Donald Trump has been attacking these boats and we know that his administration has defended the attacks on them. What is actually happening and what are they intending to do?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, well, what they've done so far.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is they've blown up at least 19 of these small boats, killing more than 70 people. The Trump administration says that these are, in their words, narco terrorists, that they're people that are delivering drones to America that are killing. In each boat, they say 25,000 people will be killed by the drugs on each boat, although those numbers simply don't stack up at all. If you look at the numbers that die from fentanyl overdoses each year, for example, and their view is very strongly, see here, they're very cavalier. It's like, it's not that many people. What's your problem? I mean, we can't kill 70 drug runners. We got to stop intel sharing. But 25,000. Those numbers don't stack up. Simply don't stack up.

[Adam Curry]

Well, what he's doing. What he's doing is he's extrapolating that. Say, approximately 20 boats that were blowed up, and each one would be 25,000 people times 20 is more than the people, the annual death toll.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

Mathematically. But it's like, okay, this is another Trump lie, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Each boat. Although those numbers simply don't stack up at all. If you look at the numbers that die from fentanyl over doses each year, for example, and their view is very strongly that this is a war on America by Latin American drugs cartels and that it then therefore justifies the extension of terrorism designations and effectively the use of the laws of arms conflict against drug smugglers. The counter argument, and we've heard this, you know, from a lot of lawmakers on Capitol Hill, is, is that this is both in breach of American and international law because this is a criminal enterprise that should be dealt with as it was before through law enforcement. Yeah. Okay. All right. So all of a sudden, now the BBC. Good. So I'm going to reach back to the end of the last show because there's a couple of things that happened with this report that came out. And the report, you can call it a whistleblower, I guess, but it was really someone, this guy. What's his name? His name evades me at the moment. He was on the editorial board for the BBC and he had written several times to the muckety muck saying, hey, you know, there's a lot wrong. You know, it's. The Telegraph revealed all this. What is the guy's name here? Prescott. There you go. He was an independent Advisor to the BBC's editorial guidelines and Standards board. And he highlighted in a very lengthy memo link in show notes, very lengthy, a number of issues with the BBC's reporting. And we have to know that. We have to recall that the BBC is a worldwide news organization. They got BBC America, which it is quite big. And a lot of other organizations look to the BBC will refer to the BBC as an authority. They're seen by the British as you know, the highest of high authority. Forget Savile and all the other pedophiles they found inside the BBC. Okay, we'll just shove that to the side. They pay a specific. Why not? They pay an annual fee. It's a license fee. And that was done. Yes, specifically, I think it's.

[Adam Curry]

You have to pay a license fee in England to watch tv.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And that was done specifically so that it was not tied to taxes. So that what could. Of course what happened here is, oh, we defunded NPR and PBS. We didn't really. But just 1% by their own admission. But they didn't want it ever to become political. So this is the. And the BBC World Service. I mean this is a very, very large organization. A lot of news organizations look to the BBC and BBC has a partnership they entered into in 2021 with CBS News. So there's news sharing, which is incredibly dangerous when you think about it. I don't know what Bari Weiss will do about it.

[Adam Curry]

Nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably not. So I'm just gonna replay this. I've tightened it up a little bit. This is the Donald Trump January 6th edit. And then there's a couple other things I need to highlight about the this very, very highbrow BBC reporting outfit.

[Guest/Reporter]

Well, it's the biggest story in town. It turns out American President Donald Trump was onto something.

[Adam Curry]

Where are you from?

[John C. Dvorak]

BBC.

[Adam Curry]

Here's another beauty. It's a good line.

[John C. Dvorak]

Impartial, free and fair.

[Guest/Reporter]

Well, that criticism of the BBC and John Sopal he was talking to there apparently was well founded because the so called impartial and accurate public service broadcaster is nothing but. Because tonight the BBC is facing serious questions over its credibility after the Daily Telegraph exposed a Panorama segment that heavily doctored a speech by the American president in 2021 hours before the infamous January 6 Capitol riot.

[John C. Dvorak]

As you're about to hear, the corporation.

[Guest/Reporter]

Spliced together two quotes one hour apart to make it seem like he and co an insurrection.

[John C. Dvorak]

They played the following clip.

[Adam Curry]

We're gonna walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you. And we fight. We fight like hell. But Trump didn't in fact say this at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

The BBC spliced together two clips that took place 54 minutes apart. So let's go through it again.

[Adam Curry]

We're gonna walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now see there between Capitol and. And that's a cut. Here's what Trump actually said.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to walk down to the Capitol and we're Going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's different.

[Adam Curry]

It wasn't until nearly an hour later.

[John C. Dvorak]

That he then said the second part of the BBC's vote version.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to walk down to the Capitol and we fight. We fight like hell.

[Guest/Reporter]

That is damning.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the really interesting part of this is that this Panorama segment aired on November 2nd worldwide, just days before the election.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the 2024 election.

[John C. Dvorak]

The 2024 election clearly meant to sway opinion. There's just no other way you can look at it right now. If we continue with this Telegraph, reveal the dossier. There's a lot of other things that the BBC has been reporting on falsely, knowingly, falsely. In April and June 2024, the BBC published two stories about the discovery of Mass GR at Al Nassr and Al Shifa hospitals. You remember this story?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

According to the internal BBC dossier, the article strongly implied that Israeli forces had buried bodies at both sites prior to withdrawing from the area.

[Adam Curry]

The articles also mentioned alleged evidence of.

[John C. Dvorak]

War crimes, including bodies found with their hands tied and gunshot wounds to their heads. But the BBC's own editorial standards Commission was told that this narrative was wrong.

[Adam Curry]

The memo says that the most likely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Explanation is that the mass graves were dug by Palestinians themselves and the people buried there had died or been killed prior to the arrival of the Israeli ground forces. So the BBC made a mistake. Well, perhaps.

[Adam Curry]

But the committee argues that the broadcaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Knew that Palestinians were burying their dead at these sites before the Israeli raids. Whatever your personal views may be on the actions of Israel in Gaza, implying a country committed war crimes when there is evidence to the contrary has serious ramifications, not least because it could erode the credibility of genuine war crime claims at a later date. The very long Prescott memo also goes into the the children death count goes into the they're starving them. And they were. The BBC actually would alter their reporting on their website. So I was like, well, the malnutrition. And then they would take out malnutrition a week later, a week later, because it turned out that they had genetic issues. BBC are just full of propagandistic liars. And it's not always by lying in your face. It's, of course, also often by omission. This internal BBC memo accuses the broadcaster of censoring its stories about the trans debate.

[Adam Curry]

In it, One of the BBC's own.

[John C. Dvorak]

Independent advisors repeatedly warns that the broadcaster is exhibiting serious and systemic problems. But in the case of the trans issue, it's not just how the Content is reported or edited or framed. Instead, it's what audiences don't see that reveals the one sided nature of their coverage. Now, this dossier describes in damning terms allegations that the BBC's special LGBTQ desk had been, quote, captured by a small group of people promoting the Stonewall view of the debate and keeping other perspectives off air. The way the BBC works is that different news programs have to share a pool of reporters rather than having their own dedicated reporters. Which means that for stories about LGBTQ issues, they have to use reporters from the LGBTQ desk. Crucially, though, the report claims that those reporters refuse to cover any stories that raise what are called difficult questions about the trans debate. The dossier goes as far as to.

[Adam Curry]

Allege that the BBC shares a constant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Drip feed of one sided stories that celebrate the trans experience without adequate balance or objectivity. Wha. Gambling? Of course, this is the danger of a desk. How many times have we laughed about. We're going to Pete now. The climate desk. Well, of course you have to use the climate desk to get your climate information and you get lies. Now, the timing of all of this is what interested me the most. Why now? And I think it is part of a counterattack against the North Sea nexus. So we see now we're taking out their drug money. The Telegraph, which is the paper who do videos, apparently the podcasts who reported all of this, they've been in some very serious trouble. They in fact went into receivership in 2023 when Lloyds bank placed the parent company into receivership over unpaid debts exceeding £1 billion. In May of 2025, Redbird Capital Partners, which is a private equity firm, announced a 500 million pound deal to acquire full control with International Media Investments of Abu Dhabi to take a minority stake. That didn't go anywhere because hey, we can't have a bunch of Abu Dhabis running the show. However, just in this month of November, Redbird secured funding from Apollo Global Management to acquire the Telegraph. Who is Apollo Global Management? Well, this isn't. We've talked about this out fit. This is the. I think one of the directors had to step down. Remember the Leon Black, he got kicked out of there for some, some nefarious activity. But the.

[Adam Curry]

I think he was set up for something.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure he was set up, but his co founder, Mark Rowan, he still runs the show and he's a friend of Trump. He and his wife donated a million dollars to Trump's 2020 presidential campaign. They helped finance Trump's casino ventures. Back in the day, he was Actually up for Treasury Secretary before Scott Bessen came in. So to me, this sounds like an obvious hit on the North Sea Nexus by Trump. He's going after him because this.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I should mention one of our producers is a Telegraph columnist. That's Andrew Orlowski.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah. Have you spoken to him recently?

[Adam Curry]

I did. We had a back and forth with him because he's come up with. He's got. He's the negative type of guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And he's got a bunch of nasty stuff to say about AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, well, he's my friend, then.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's our friend. He's the show's friend. And I will probably reiterate some of these things eventually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good, good. So I came across an interview with Liz Truss, and Liz Truss was Prime Minister of the UK for what, six weeks?

[Adam Curry]

A couple of minutes, she was in.

[John C. Dvorak]

And out, and she's very open about what's really going on in the UK and who's really running the show. The deep state of the uk.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's talk about the state, or more specifically, the deep states.

[John C. Dvorak]

The bank of England. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Let me just stop and draw a comment in. Sure. Now, personally, I don't think the deep state is a deep state when it's the monarchy, which is the most upfront deep state you can imagine.

[John C. Dvorak]

I agree.

[Adam Curry]

It's not a deep state because it's not hiding.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's the surface state. Yeah, but I said deep state because the interviewer says deep state. But she.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but it's. That's why I wanted to interrupt, because it's ludicrous to me that you'd call the monarchy the deep state.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, also know that if you look at the board of. The boards of the BBC, who's on it? Lord Such and such, sir. You know, these are. These are all people who are, you know, have received knighthoods, you know, have peerage. I mean, this is the extended monarchy, which, of course, initially got all of its money from the East India Company, the West India Company, and the taxpayers. And the taxpayers. And they're still mad about America. They really wanted it to be part of their empire and we broke away from it. Of course, it was. Initially. Yeah, okay. The pilgrims came over and they ran away because of religious issues and they wanted to make this into a big Christian land. And they didn't want. Want the king being the head of the church, but it was still Britain, it was still the British Tobacco Company. I mean, that's how it started. But they always saw us as one of their colonies and they really never gotten over the fact that we're not a part of that.

[Adam Curry]

We gave them the finger and walked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we basically gave them the finger.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's talk about the states, or more specifically the deep states.

[John C. Dvorak]

You say the bank of England sabotaged.

[Adam Curry]

You, The treasury, bank of England. Hold on a second, I didn't hear that part. So the bank of England is the deep state too?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Guest/Reporter]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, probably. How is that deep state? This is up front, this is face, face forward.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need a better term. I'm in total agreement. But it's the bank of England. Of course it is. You know, and who, you can only imagine who runs all that. Tell me, tell our viewers and listeners about this deep state and the people who really are controlling our governments.

[Guest/Reporter]

I think it's important for people to understand because people think the Prime Minister is all powerful or the Chancellor is all powerful and they can go into government and they can just pull the levers and things will happen. But actually the government is controlled by the permanent bureaucracy, by the civil service. It's them who hire and fire the people that work in the government. They control the budgets of each government department. They make the decisions about how policies are implemented. So even if a policy has been signed off by a Minister, it's a civil servant who says whether it's legal, it's a civil servant who implements it, it's a civil servant who signs off the budget for it. And that gets. Gives those people a lot of power. Now the bank of England governor has what I would describe as unaccountable power. He's appointed for eight years. He can pretty much only be sacked for gross negligence. So he is able to make decisions about the economy independent of the elected government that have massive implications for people's lives. So what has happened, and it's got particularly bad had in the last 30 years since Tony Blair got into office, is lots of power that used to sit in the hands of elected people now sits in the hands of the unelected.

[John C. Dvorak]

This whole interview gave me a different view of Liz Truss because I really thought. And she just like a spot on your shirt who was. We wiped her away and she was gone. She kind of opened up here about the money migration, all of it.

[Guest/Reporter]

They are making decisions about monetary policy. So what interest rates are, how much money the bank of England prints. That's a decision the bank of England essentially makes. They're making decisions about fiscal policy. So if you look at the budget coming up, you'll hear a lot about the Office of Budget Responsibility, the obr. They're the people that essentially set the tram lines which the Chancellor has to operate in. And. And the same is true, by the way, for things like migration. There's an independent government legal department that decides what's legal and what's illegal. They are the people who are saying, sorry, but you've got to put these migrants up at four star hotels. So what I'm saying is that this bureaucratic apparatus is there. It is essentially driving the decision making of government and ministers pretty much have to go along with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when she talks about the bank of England, I hear the City of London, which is, you know, just like dc, it's its own city, has its own fire department, its own police force. They're their own little entity.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're totally alien, totally separate.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they've had a lot of power over our interest rates. Of course, we cleared all that up going from Libor to Sofia Fear, and this is her final clip. She really keeps talking about them as they and they must be them.

[Guest/Reporter]

These are people, broadly speaking, the senior people in the treasury, the senior people of the bank of England. They believe in net zero, they believe in mass migration, they believe in Keynesian economics, they believe in high tax and high spend. They were responsible for printing vast majority amounts of money after the financial crisis during COVID inflated asset prices and made it very difficult for young people to get on in life. So they have a worldview. They're not neutral technocrats. They have a worldview and we can see this worldview emerging.

[John C. Dvorak]

Worldview, I hear globalist. I think that's what she means by.

[Guest/Reporter]

That from time to time. So Bailey has recently criticized Brexit. He has promoted net zero. Mark Carney, who is the ultimate version of these people, made lots of money out of the whole climate change agenda, or what Donald Trump would call the climate change scam. He then went on to be Prime Minister of Canada and is busy ruining Canada's economy at the moment. So these people are not neutral experts. They are people with an agenda who have huge amounts of unelected power.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I don't know if Liz Truss really sees all the way through what Britain has been doing throughout history, but there's a guy who's getting a lot of traction right now on different podcasts, including my favorite, Guns, Goats, Gold, Gold, Goats and Guns. Our buddy Tom Lu Longo. This guy's name is Richard Poe and in January of this year he released his book. He has a new one coming out in a couple of weeks. His book is how the British Invented Communism and Blamed the Jews, which is a really, really good book. And he goes through this entire history.

[Adam Curry]

That's a great title.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's fantastic. How they started the Bolshevik. The Brits Sparked the Bolshevik Revolution. Blamed it on the Jews. How Churchill was writing about this in the 20s, and it was in fact Churchill who inspired Hitler for a lot of what he wrote in Mein Kampf. And he has a new book coming out titled how the British Kill Our Presidents, which I'm excited to read. Particularly Lincoln is where he starts. So he was on the.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you know, I like the Lincoln theory. I've always had this belief that it was either the British or the French that were behind the assassination of Lincoln. But. But thinking it's the British, which I never considered makes a lot of sense considering it was an actor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep. Who was a British background actor.

[Adam Curry]

Of course, stage actor, which are typically all, you know, that's British that killed him. So it's. It's makes some sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

After. Now I have to read this guy. Why don't you read it and summarize?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I'll just prop it into chat GPT and I'll give you a summary with a nice little icons next to every chat chapter. So this is a piece from this interview and I suggest everyone listen to this guy. He's all over the place, but the Gold, Goats and Guns podcast had him on. And this is where he now is going to the British and the French Revolution. But first he sets up this concept, which I think is brilliant because it feels so old, yet so current, how the British invented the whole idea of using NGOs. It's very clear that the British had set up a massive infrastructure of what.

[Adam Curry]

We now called, what we would now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Call them NGOs, of supposedly independent groups.

[Adam Curry]

Which had been created by citizens and were not supposedly run by the government. But these were groups which had such names as the London Revolution Society, the London Correspondence Society.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is what they did with the French French revolution with these NGOs, the French liberals, the ones who got the French intellectuals who got behind the.

[Adam Curry]

Revolution, they worshiped these British reformers, these.

[John C. Dvorak]

These English groups that were pushing for republican revolution all over the world.

[Adam Curry]

World. And the French naively just adopted the.

[John C. Dvorak]

This British program and really kind of worshiped these people to the point where.

[Adam Curry]

The British, the French started in emulation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of these British groups.

[Adam Curry]

The French started their own parallel groups with similar names.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was a revolutionary society in Paris.

[Adam Curry]

That they created and then they created these Jacobin clubs, they called them.

[John C. Dvorak]

The British did The same thing to.

[Adam Curry]

The, to the French that they later did to Russia.

[John C. Dvorak]

They recruited all the liberals, they used the liberals to give them an end, to give their agents and their operatives an in. Into the French government, into the French elite. And then they betrayed the French people by giving them an extremely illiberal government and a blood bank. Yes, it sounds so believable. Just. I love it and of course it does.

[Adam Curry]

It sounds really believable and it explains a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

And same goes for secret societies. These 1848 revolutions were personally masterminded by Lord Palmerston. He was really setting all the policy, the foreign policy, and he was running this tremendous spy network all over Europe and also America. America. The COVID for his spy network was a network of.

[Adam Curry]

There's sometimes called secret societies.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, and so here's this final clip where Luongo also kind of latches on to ho. Hold on a second. The first one was called Young Italy, was formed by an Italian revolutionary named.

[Adam Curry]

Giuseppe Mazzini, who was a British agent. And he started Young Italy, which was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Supposed to organize revolution in Italy and moving towards the unification of Italy, which was a British goal. They wanted to unify Italy to be a counterweight against the influence of France and Austria. And after Young Italy, Mazzini then founded Young Europe and then started creating spin.

[Adam Curry]

Off groups in every country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Young France, Young Germany, Young Poland. There was a Young England and there was a Young American America.

[Adam Curry]

And I show in my book that it was from this Young America branch of the Mazini network that the whole.

[John C. Dvorak]

Conspiracy to cause the Civil War, to.

[Adam Curry]

Cause the secession and then ultimately to kill Lincoln all came out of this Young America group.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love it. I love it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, it's good stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

It makes so much sense. And you know, it's the same system we see today. Hey, we've got NGOs everywhere now. A lot of that's been cleaned up because the funding got cut off. We also, you know, the secret societies, there's still the Pilgrim Society out there, you know, you gotta wonder.

[Adam Curry]

TUCKER CARLSON well, that, you know, I've.

[John C. Dvorak]

Been trying to get confirmation on that. I can't. There's been a lot of accusations and a lot it's, you know, there's lots of X posts on it. But the Pilgrim Society is kind of the same idea, one of those secret societies and the whole idea is to move the British agenda forward of global domination. I even wonder about Elon sometimes. The British always had this idea of let's create a super state of all the English speaking nations and I think Elon floated that a while back ago, and just out of the blue, he's like, hey, should we make just like one big save? Everyone who speaks English.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Elon suspect.

[John C. Dvorak]

But. So the bottom line is it doesn't matter whether it's podcasts, whether it's the bb. You really can't trust any of it. And you shouldn't trust us either. Although I would say we'd be really happy if we got some secret society NGO money that's just not in the cards. But there's also. We play so much importance on people as experts. And this is where the.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's where. Well, I discovered this, I think about 10 years ago on the show I mentioned this. I went to an event head by Edelman and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Edelman pr.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Edelman pr. The big boys. And they gave a long speech about trustworthiness and voices of trust. And I watched the whole thing and it was a live presentation and they had a slideshow, and it all turned out to be that the most trusted voices come from NGOs.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. And I'm sure that they said that for a reason. Reason. Yeah, you can trust these guys.

[Adam Curry]

And so that's where you have a lot of NGOs representing various organizations and they go to so and so from the such and such society says this. And here he is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And he has blurts out something that everyone's. Oh, okay. Well, it's like you pointed out one time the. The phony baloney surveys. And. And some of the research done, paid for by the guy who wants the survey to come out a certain way. And you keep paying money until somebody does it. Right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yes. So then we have. And I'm just pointing this out as a public service to our listeners, you have the Gel man amnesia effect, which needs to be brought up from time to time. And this is because I saw Brett Weinstein on the Joe Rogan podcast. I didn't actually see the podcast. I saw the clips everywhere. And the clips would say, like, expert says, you know, Covid was a hoax. Okay, fine, whatever. Expert says, you know, like, expert. Expert. And. Yeah, yeah, sure. And I like Brett Weinstein. I've never met him, but, you know, he seems like a nice enough guy. I love the podcast that he does with Heather because. Just because of how Heather talks. And to prove the Gelman amnesia effect, which you always need to see it this way. If. If you are reading a newspaper and an article shows up of something you are absolutely an expert in, and everyone's an expert in Something and be like, huh, that's not entirely right. Or they got that wrong. Or, boy, this is a load of crap. I have that often with aviation stuff and, you know, other things, you should not believe the story next to it. That's the amnesia. Like, oh, but this. This has got to be true if I'm reading it over here. So just. And this is not to pick on Brett and heaven. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Let me read you the. The overview definition of gel man. It's two words.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, gel man.

[Adam Curry]

It's hyphenated. The Gelman amnesia effect is a cognitive bias where individuals readily recognize inaccuracy in media reports on subjects they know well. But then forget this unreliability and accept as true other articles in the same publication on topics in which they're not experts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

And it was coined by Michael Crichton, who they killed. Well, somebody. He died prematurely. He died an early. He died too young.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sudden death. So here they are. They're on episode 300. This is just yesterday. And Tina sent me this link, and I normally would not bring it up, but in this context is great, great. Because I am one expert in something very specific. I'm an expert in the origins of podcasting, would you say?

[Adam Curry]

I would think I would agree with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when I hear these two experts, you know, speaking this way, I have to question everything else that they talk about. Again, not picking on them. I like them. I like the show. I love how Heather talked about.

[Guest/Reporter]

And I just. I actually just wanted to.

[Adam Curry]

Talk like this.

[John C. Dvorak]

It turns out you'll hear it in a moment. She used to be on this American Life.

[Guest/Reporter]

To share.

[Adam Curry]

Not.

[Guest/Reporter]

Not my screen here, but don't share my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't share notes that I wrote in.

[Guest/Reporter]

Advance of our first live stream.

[Adam Curry]

So I should.

[Guest/Reporter]

I should say this is not, um.

[Adam Curry]

This is.

[Guest/Reporter]

This is not the sort of thing that I tend to. In fact, at the point that podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Started being a thing in thing, and.

[Guest/Reporter]

I don't even know when it would have been. Maybe early teens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Early teens. How about 2003?

[Guest/Reporter]

Right. You know, at some point, I mean, there. There had been. There had been things that weren't called podcasts for.

[Adam Curry]

For a long time.

[Guest/Reporter]

I remember actually recording episodes of this.

[Adam Curry]

American Life in the 90s and taking them with me to Madagascar so that.

[Guest/Reporter]

I could listen to them.

[Adam Curry]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes, I remember. I remember recording this American Life on a cassette and taking it to Madagascar, really the early form of podcasting. So it's really on all that. And it just came around in the.

[Guest/Reporter]

Teens, sort of you know, long form.

[Adam Curry]

Conversations in that case. Wait, what does she have to. What. What does the price of bread have to do with her trip to Madagascar?

[John C. Dvorak]

I was expecting her to say I was on my. To Doha, but I went to Doha.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I had a meeting with the sheik.

[John C. Dvorak]

Went to Madagascar first. Yes. That was called a radio show that we recorded on a cassette. But yes, this predates podcasting from. What was it, the teens? Yes.

[Adam Curry]

For a long time, I remember actually.

[Guest/Reporter]

Recording episodes of this American Life in.

[Adam Curry]

The 90s and taking them with me to Madagascar so that I could listen to them.

[Guest/Reporter]

So sort of long form conversations in that case, highly scripted and beautifully put together.

[Adam Curry]

That's not a podcast. What?

[Guest/Reporter]

Going on for a long time. But I remember you making a joking.

[Adam Curry]

Comment to me at some point in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The early teens about how that's when the podcasting started. Early teens podcasting had to be last.

[Adam Curry]

On my list of things I would.

[Guest/Reporter]

Ever want to do, since I prefer not to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here it comes in front of.

[Guest/Reporter]

Camera and just kind of riffing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let me just give you the abbreviated version of history. When I convinced Dave Weiner in 2000 to put the enclosure tag into RSS, and it actually worked for several years, but there was nothing until I saw the first ipod and then created a script that basically put a recorded MP3 file onto your ipod and instead of a song, and the album was the show title instead of the album title. And that was the birth of podcasting in 2003. And it wasn't until probably about two years later that a guy came along and said, hey, why don't we call it podcasting? And it wasn't that idiot from the. The newspaper. But anyway, he says he did, but doesn't matter. These are the experts, and they're about to tell you the origins of podcasting.

[Adam Curry]

So I don't know what the date was. It's possible we could look it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I believe the initial podcast is Adam Curry, the Podfather. The initial podcast in the universe. Yeah, I think so. So this is interesting. So, first of all, he's. He skipped over the entire creation of the whole mechanism because it wasn't just a recording on the Internet. The RSS feed was key to this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but that's a detail they're never going to get.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, but it's incorrect. And what I like about it is that somehow, somewhere we have indoctrinated Heather's mind that the no Agenda show is the best podcast in the universe, because she says, oh, yeah, that was the first podcast in the universe. We have infected her. We are inside her brain somewhere, possibly.

[Adam Curry]

Because somehow it got in there and got scrambled. Because obviously this is going back to the gel man amnesia concept. This is how it works. You get this information. It's a mish mosh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

One of the things I have to say to people that listen to our show is that we are susceptible to this too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

But we have nothing but feedback. We get tons of it. We look at it all, we sift it, and we change. We make corrections, and we try to reflect reality as best we can, I think better than anybody else, to be honest about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's because we have thousands and thousands of producers.

[Adam Curry]

Producers. Do we have them online, live, as we speak?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep. That.

[Adam Curry]

That. That allowed Adam to sound funny because he steals the material from the chat room do.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not stealing. It's given to me freely. Value for value.

[Adam Curry]

He has writers on the fly. He's got writers in his ear. By the way, I did a. I did a radio show in Canada once, and it was. I forgot the name. It was very famous at the time. And. And the entire. The hosts of this show, of this radio show, it wasn't televised, but it was. I don't believe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Believe.

[Adam Curry]

But the host had had ifbs in, and as they spoke spontaneously, they had producers in the back telling him what to say and what to ask.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Here's your line for this is.

[Adam Curry]

Which is what you mock all the time on the show. Which is a good. It's a funny bit. It's hilarious. Nobody else seems to be able to do this. This gag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

But this actually does happen. Did you have it to an extreme? They're looking stuff up and making the guy sound smart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, Heather doesn't have that, but I am, obviously. I think it was the podfather, so.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what the date was. It's possible we could look it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe the initial podcast is Adam Curry. I am the initial podcast. Just so you know.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm the initial.

[John C. Dvorak]

You.

[Adam Curry]

You just stand. Yeah, You. Me are the podcast. Oh, you are a podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he's the initial podcast. Podcast. The podfather and the initial podcast in the universe. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, she said the initial podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, the initial. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Nice botch there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it's. We're in her head. We're in her head.

[Adam Curry]

Somebody's in her head.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And the initial podcast in the universe. Yeah, I think so. It's. I think it's at least the first place that it was called that.

[Adam Curry]

Obviously you're right, there are precursors.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, now see, this is my point. This is freewheeling way that, you know, Beatles movies are sort of precursors to modern music videos. Oh, I was, I'm the, I'm the, I'm the Beatles of podcasting. This is what I like. And this is where it gets crazy. They said it was called that.

[Adam Curry]

Obviously you're right, there are precursors in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The same way that, you know, Beatles movies are sort of precursors to modern music videos, if modern music videos are even still a thing. And this is where I'm living in her head rent free. He, he used to be on mtv.

[Guest/Reporter]

MTV is either about to or has gone off the air.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he was on mtv. Don't you remember? Apparently nobody wanted their mtv.

[Guest/Reporter]

I ran into that recently.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Guest/Reporter]

And like with a whimper.

[Adam Curry]

Apparently no one has noticed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, no one has. Well, makes sense. People have moved on to other stuff.

[Adam Curry]

You, you like this podcast, you said.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like them. I'm not so sure.

[Adam Curry]

They're just rambling about meaningless dribble.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. Anyway, let me play this last bit.

[Adam Curry]

How do we get from the, the Nexus to these two?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't know. It was. I had to take it apart. I know.

[Adam Curry]

You transitioned. You caught me off guard. I am completely flat footed in how you pulled that one off.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll take you back and I'll finish it up. I'm going to wind up here with the, with the end of the North Sea Nexus. We go back to the bridge. British controlling everything you talk about, you.

[Adam Curry]

Know, the Revolutions of 1848 and all I can think of was the Arab Spring under Obama. Like, you know what I mean? It's the same thing again. We know, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

We know the Muslim Brotherhood is a city of London creation and we, we know all these things and, and they're.

[Adam Curry]

Doing, they're running the same playbook here in the United States right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. There you go, more to come. Just stay tuned.

[Adam Curry]

Gloria, come. The North Sea Nexus report with Adam Curry. What about me? I left out of the jingle. Well, because there's another example, ladies and gentlemen.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't create the jingle.

[Adam Curry]

Was it Judith? What's her name? Judith? Who wrote earlier?

[John C. Dvorak]

Heather.

[Adam Curry]

Heather.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. Julie.

[Adam Curry]

Julie. Good old Julie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Julie.

[Adam Curry]

Julie. Keep, keep, keep noticing, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

As a correction, because we do get corrected and we, we, we attempt to make these corrections. The news about the Farmer's Almanac was wrong. It appears that there were more than one Farmer's Almanacs.

[Adam Curry]

Didn't we mention this? The old Farmer's Almanac. The Almanac.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Farmers Almanac. No, this, this came in after the show.

[Adam Curry]

Go.

[John C. Dvorak]

The old arm, the OG Original Farmers Almanac has been in print and continues strong after 234 years. @almanac.com the younger upstart only reached 208 years. Fake news. That's from Scott, who works for a publisher that handles.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, okay, this came in. I remember it because you talked about it after the show because you got a note. Yeah, yeah, I brought it up on Horowitz's show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Because he had the same story and I luckily had the old Farmer's Almanac anecdote in tow and so I got to drop it on him and then. Oh, okay, whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was fake news, but so. Oh, geez.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay, let's switch gears for a moment. I'll try not to bore you. The clips are short.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you. Okay, so what you've done, this is like you might not think this is funny. You've set yourself up to fail.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you'll like it. You'll like this. Because I know when I say cop 30, you're like, yes, climate change. So just to get a little update, because there's some very interesting news here. Al gore presented at cop 30 and he still has kind of a baby face, even though he's got to be. What is he now, 75? 76?

[Adam Curry]

I think he's about 89.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's not that. No, no. Let's see, how old is.

[Adam Curry]

I'll guess 78.

[John C. Dvorak]

78 sounds right. 77. Close. All right, so here he is. Here's his pitch. And here we are at COP 30, which is kind of a full circle moment. And of course the purpose of is to deal with the climate crisis. And this thin blue shell of atmosphere surrounding our planet is so thin it's only 5-7km thick. Blue because that's where the oxygen is. And we are using it as an open sewer for 175 million tons of man made global warming pollution spewed into it every single day. It adds up, it lingers there. And the accumulated amount today will trap as much extra heat as would be released by 750,000 atomic bombs exploding on the earth.

[Adam Curry]

Not a 24 hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, now, this is why I brought this up, because we have been tracking this.

[Adam Curry]

We have the number of bombs that were simultaneously every day.

[John C. Dvorak]

In 2015, it was 400 Hiroshima bombs, if you recall, as would be released by 400,000 Hiroshima class atomic bombs. 400,000. We just got the update. It is 750,000. But wait, that's the same number as 2024. We're building up the amount of heat trapping capacity so much that today, today we trapped as much extra heat as would be released by 750,000 Hiroshima Class Atomic bombs. So it's stable. We're leveling off. So this is good news. I don't see why Al hasn't said this. We have remained at 750,000 Hiroshima nuclear bombs. So I found this to be encouraging. That's your COP30 update.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's also. Newsom was down there moaning about stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he was moaning about all kinds of stuff. I know, I know.

[Adam Curry]

So I'm thinking, because I have in the newsletter, I discussed the idea that this whole shutdown was just a scam to get these Democrats elected. And shooting Schumer. Schumer did. He was behind the whole thing. He was behind the whole thing. Stopping and they. But he's being condemned from what. Because he can't admit he did that because it looks.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that would be bad. That would be bad. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So. So he has to suffer. But he knows the ropes. He's not, you know, people think he's just some dumb shit. He's. No, this guy is not the head of the Senate because he's a dummy. And so he knows the ropes. He knows it'll blow over and he can put up with it. And there's nobody in waiting in the wings to take his job as minority leader. There's not one person anyone can name. And the guys who could do it, like Dick Durbin are on his side and they're behind doing these schemes. So it's. Nothing's going on there. And so I thought about this and I thought that the, that there is a threat in 2028 that that AOC will run against him when he's up for reelection. And everyone keeps saying that, oh, she's going to take his job because the progressives have got a hole on the party and blah, blah, blah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take his job.

[Adam Curry]

So I'm thinking, and I didn't discuss this part in the newsletter, but I'm thinking about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Is that he has to derail her because he doesn't need the aggravation of getting unseated by a dumb shit like her. And so he's. So I think, here's what I think. The scheme is the following. They're gonna, the, the Republicans know they're gonna have nothing unless they can Crash the economy before the end of 2018, which is doable, but I don't think they can accomplish it because Trump's pretty good at keeping things running. They're going to have to put up a weak sister candidate and hope they can crash the economy after the next president, which will probably be J.B. wait.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Why do they want to crash the economy?

[Adam Curry]

Because then they'll get votes if the Republicans are in power and the economy goes crash. This is what happened to George H.W. bush when he was, it was first term as president. He came in right after Reagan. He should have been reelected. But they managed to crash the economy for just a blip just before the election. And he had to increase taxes and they threw the oh read my lip stuff and all the rest of it because he said read my lips, no new taxes. And then he had to raise taxes cuz the economy was being tanked by the Democrats. So he raised taxes and they threw that in his face and the guy couldn't. And, and then he of course threw up in the, in the lap of the Japanese prime minister.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

Let me, excuse me, I got to throw up. So let me throw up in your lap. And, and so this was. Did. Somebody gave him some. I'm sure he was poisoned. So he had to throw up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so they, they set him up and got rid of him. And you know, the guy was, that he was a sucker. And so they, so they wanted. So that, that's what the Democrats like to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you said. So the Democrats like to crash the economy. Economy, yeah. I thought you said the Republicans.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, the Democrats because that gets them back in power.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Because that's the only way they can get back in power.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got it.

[Adam Curry]

So they, they're gonna have to eat. Eat it for if JD Vance or Rubio becomes the next president. So they, and they know that they won't be able to defeat anybody if Trump stays in office and manages to get things on track. So they're going to have to run. And this would be Schumer again. They're going to have to run a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Loser for another camel.

[Adam Curry]

A sacrificial lamb is going to have to be at the top of the ticket and that is Newsom, who is his best. Who do you want to put him in? Put in as vice president to balance the ticket. An east coast person to balance the California ticket. A woman. Because you have to have a woman. Your Democrats. And he might as well go with, you know, because. Because whitey here running for president.

[John C. Dvorak]

Put AOC next to him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Newsome AOC So you got to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. No, wait, wait, wait. This show has to end sometime. I, I mean, if they're running on a ticket in 2028, we have to continue. They'll be. It'll be too fun.

[Adam Curry]

You pass the election. That's easy enough, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the neither of us gets out of this gig alive is what I've determined.

[Adam Curry]

Well, died on the mic. So. So they're gonna run. It'll be newsome. AOC ticket is a. Is a loser. And it gets AOC out of the picture for running against Schumer.

[John C. Dvorak]

But Schumer. Schumer's got to be tired at a certain point. How old is that guy?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. You know, maybe he should retire. But he doesn't seem interested.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is currently 7. Oh, 74.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's got some spun in him.

[Adam Curry]

He can get to 80. I mean, look at Pelosi. She went. She's 83, 82, 84 or something like that. Yeah. And she's still in. She's in. I mean, she's not running again, she says. But she said that a couple cycles ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, she, I think this is really it. She's. She's really out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, she broke her hip. I think that did the trick.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's painful.

[Adam Curry]

So Schumer's good will orchestrate this.

[John C. Dvorak]

That makes sense.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Schumer orchestrates a Newsome AOC ticket. That's great. That's great. Do you have a clip to go with this or you just throw.

[Adam Curry]

No, this is all speculation. Nobody wants to give Schumer credit for anything. He's like, he sidelined the guy and he acts like a doofus and in fact, he's running the show that he's just, he's one of those guys who does it so slickly and, oh, I don't know, I'm just a big dummy.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's no dummy. He's no dummy.

[Adam Curry]

He's no dummy.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's too bad that the shutdown ended because it was just getting good in the media. Listen to this Nat Pop. I got. This is from Reuters and this is, this is unbelievable what they did. They went, you know, went out to find some SNAP benefits recipients who of course are starving.

[Guest/Reporter]

11 year old sincere Miller at the food bank with his grandfather. Mother places his blame squarely with the President Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Why are you starving the kids?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm. I'm hungry and we have to get.

[Adam Curry]

Boxes from the food bank. This is a scripted kid. This is the clip. But that is the clip of the day right there.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought you would say that.

[Adam Curry]

Is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen to that kid one more time. Chomp.

[Adam Curry]

Why are you starving the kids?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm hungry.

[Guest/Reporter]

And we have to get boxes from the food bank.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. And of course we'll get. No, you guys are horrible. You're laughing about hungry people.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, we're not gonna get that much flag. That kid was scripted. He's a phony.

[John C. Dvorak]

That kid was a phony. Now, there is something rather troubling again from Reuters, you know, British outfit so Take it for what it's worth, which was also brought up by Representative Austin Smith of Georgia. I'll play the Reuters report first.

[Guest/Reporter]

The funding bill being voted on includes a clause that would let Republican senators sue for half a million dollars for damages related to the January 6 probe. It would apply to eight lawmakers whose phone records were subpoenaed as part of the investigation into the 2021 Capitol riot. Democrats are calling it a taxpayer funded payout.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it sure seems like it's a tax funded payout, which is. And this is like a mandatory thing. Here's Austin Smith, Republican of Georgia, talking about it.

[Adam Curry]

I was very excited about coming back to Washington, D.C. to vote to open the government back up. And then when I saw what the Senate did last night, I'll be on. I had a hard night and I've been struggling with what the right vote is because of what the Senate did. And I want to just tell you because I want the American citizens to be able to read it. You can start at page 217 of the legislation where it says requiring Senate notification for disclosure of Senate data. And there's a lot of. With respect to. And other things in the first pages, but when you get over to page 223, you'll see where they've created a private cause of action specifically for them. And it goes on and it says that cause of action, and this is on page 224. Any senator whose Senate data or the Senate data of whose Senate office has been acquired, subpoenaed, searched, accessed, or disclosed in violation of the section, may bring a civil action against the United States if the violation was committed by an officer, employee or agent of the United States or of any Federal department of agent or agency relief. If the Senator prevails on a claimant of the subsection, the court shall not, may, shall award for each instance of a violation of this section, the greater of, not the less Lesser of the greater of statutory damages of $500,000 are the amount of actual damages, reasonable attorney fees, cost of litigation, and it goes on from there. And there's other language in here, too, that indicates that each line would be an additional payment. And so most of us as members have a campaign phone, a campaign email, a personal phone, a personal email, and then a business phone and a business email. That's six violations. The way they count. If they. If they went for all of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Six.

[Adam Curry]

Minimum of $500,000 a piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't like that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Luna came on one of the shows yesterday, and she voted for the bill, but she also bitched about this. She said, because. Because the House had a number of people whose records were lifted also, and also a bunch of organizations had their records lifted illegally also. And none of them are listed in the. In the payout.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

So if you're going to, like, steal from the government, from the government coffers, you might at least. Can you pass it around a little bit? So a lot of people are irked about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

No kidding.

[Adam Curry]

And it's irksome. I agree.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I don't like that at all.

[Adam Curry]

No. I don't know who'd slip. That is. It sounds like a Lindsey Graham thing. It does.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, I just got a note that the Republicans will be doing a midterm convention. That's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I think that's Trump's idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course it's Trump's idea.

[Adam Curry]

That.

[John C. Dvorak]

Show business, baby.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Because it's. Because they know. Note that during the conventions, because everyone knows. This has been. I think people have known this since the 50s and 60s, since television came around, that they have one of these conventions and everyone gets to speak and they make a big fuss and everyone gets all jacked up, wave our flags. You end up with the ratings for the party go up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course. Of course.

[Adam Curry]

So the Democrats will have to follow suit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, they're a little behind the ball. They got to hurry up with the organizing.

[Adam Curry]

They may not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not.

[Adam Curry]

You know, they may. It may take them a cycle to come up to speed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yep. Let's see. What else do we have?

[Adam Curry]

Well, what do I have?

[John C. Dvorak]

A little update on New York about Mamdani. He's been announcing some of the people he's going to bring into his administration. You hear about this.

[Adam Curry]

I know he's got a woman crew for his transition team.

[John C. Dvorak]

Transition being the operative word. That's window dressing.

[Adam Curry]

And then he's begging. I know. He's begging for money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Here, check this out.

[Guest/Reporter]

Breaking news. Mayani is making his first major appointment, announcing Dean Fulian as his first deputy mayor. Folian is a seasoned government veteran who previously served as former Mayor Bill de Blasio, budget director and later as first deputy mayor. Mamdani also named El Biscard Church, his longtime chief of staff at the State assembly, to that same role at City Hall. In his announcement at Hunter College, Mr. Mamdani said the appointments would help him build a powerful and competent administration that delivers an affordable, livable city for working people. Mamdani takes office January 1st.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go.

[Adam Curry]

The de Blasio team.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep. Yep, the de Blasio team. Yeah, well, it's better than nothing. At least they got some. They know how it works. At least, you know, that's kind of good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, actually, they do need somebody that knows how it works, because he doesn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, obviously. Hey, you know, I. We had the Department of War guy over again on Tuesday night. Remember I told you that we met some new people and they are with the. He works for. He was, you know, furloughed, of course, and he works for the Department of War in the modern weapons department.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. You mentioned him on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So I'm like, so, what are you making? Can you tell me anything? What do you think? Think.

[Adam Curry]

What are they making?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, what do you think?

[Adam Curry]

Have something to do with drones?

[John C. Dvorak]

All drones. All drones. And so I threw out there, oh, yeah, you know, this stuff in Europe. And he. I said, this is obviously a sales job. He just gives me a look. He couldn't say anything. This is.

[Adam Curry]

No, of course not. He signed off on things. He's not going to tell you.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all drone anti drone, drone. I'm like, really? I mean, can't one ICBM do more damage? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we're no longer gonna be. Let me see if I can get this right. The way he said it. No longer will it be like two teams in the field lobbing grenades and shooting at each other. He says it's all gonna be urban warfare.

[Adam Curry]

With drones flying around the city, busting into windows and coming up and blowing people's heads off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And then. And there was. I got this from a Dutch producer. Shows a drone flying around Holland and it crashed. Well, it turns out it was just an American drone that the Dutch military was flying around. Little rocket tube like, shaped drone with wings and a propeller on the back. Everyone's flying. When did this happen? When did war just become about drones? Other than. I guess, guess all wars are going to be fought in cities. Urban warfare. Really?

[Adam Curry]

Is that the good reason not to live in a city, by the way?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Is that the future? I don't. That doesn't sound great to me.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's see. If you took like, for example, the city of San Francisco's got a population just under, it's around a million. I think Its lowest was 750 and it's probably a million. And you have all these office buildings and you want to attack the city, you take. And China is known to have like a million drones. You go and you drop, you fly over you or somehow you. Or you bring them over on. In cargo containers. Yeah, we saw that they come through the Port of Oakland and you know, they don't. They're not radioactive. And so they go through and you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Release the kraken and you open the.

[Adam Curry]

Doors and you send them all off. You send to hundreds and hundreds of thousands of say, say you take 500,000 of them, send them to San Francisco and. Or you open the crates in San Francisco so they don't have to fly too far because they run out of electricity. And so they fly over there and they bust into all the windows and the bank of America building, they just crash everything they can bust up the place and have little explosion explosives and blow up everybody they can and then.

[John C. Dvorak]

They, and they do a little swarm and a little cool little show in the air and then they fly. Fly off.

[Adam Curry]

Yep. Though actually the whole of them do go into there and they, and they form a visual thumbs up sign with the, with the drones and they make it move up in their thumbs up and then they go, you know, crap out and fall all over the place. Probably kill more people as they're coming down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, what a great future. No, luckily that's got to be it.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, what else is there?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, that's it.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I mean of.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're not going to have any more war. President Trump stopped all the wars, man. Got one more to go. Eight out of nine. He's going for a full nine. It's all going to happen. But first I need to thank you for your courage and see in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in causes and candidates. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John Cena.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we're in the morning here, Ms. Channel. Creating Martian machine boots on the ground, feeding the air subs in the water, all the names and ice out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Let me count you.

[Guest/Reporter]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

1583. There's our trolls. Welcome, trolls. Thank you for being there. We appreciate it. We love you guys being here. It's fantastic. They're listening atnoendastream.com. someone sent me a notice says, hey, Matt, on when I go to noagendashtream.com it says, Join the troll room. And friends of mine don't want to look at that. They're, like, afraid of it. Like, well, then maybe you need new friends.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know. It says join the troll room. Then people like, oh, and they're scary. So scary. There might be trolls there.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, there's troll.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's trolls in them troll rooms. We love those trolls. They're there for a reason. They're there to hang out with us.

[Adam Curry]

But we don't want people that are afraid of the troll to be there.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, of course not. That makes no sense. The trolls are there and you can join [e-mail] or get one of those modern podcast [e-mail] many of them there are useful, and the ones we like are the ones like Fountain and podverse and Podcast Guru and Trufans and anyone that gives you live listen link and a notification. That's the kind of stuff you want because then you just have this in your pocket. And normally you listen to your podcast whenever you feel like it. But we have so many shows on no Agenda stream that go live. You'll get a notification and if you can't listen live, no problem, because when we publish the show, within 90 seconds, you will get a notification that the show has been published. Why wait around on your legacy podcast app? It makes no sense. Sense. Get one of those modern ones and support those developers too by upgrading for their premium service, like three bucks a month. Help them out. We have been running this show, Value for value, for over 18 years.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Tina and I were talking the other day about friendship, and I said, it's quite unbelievable that John and I have been together for over 18 years and we know. Exactly. And I said, and I know, know. I know that if it really came down to it, if something was drastically wrong, I could call you and you'd show up.

[Adam Curry]

Probably.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Probably. Probably would show up. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know, it depends.

[John C. Dvorak]

It depends on how. What is the crisis?

[Adam Curry]

You know, it depends on the crisis. If you're like, had a stubbed toenail or something, you know, I wouldn't. Who cares? Hey, you know, I got a birthday party. Okay, good for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Straight up there it is. That's how it works. Yeah, well, we're going to go four more years, minimum. We keep saying it, but it's true. Four more years. So as a part of this, it's ludicrous.

[Adam Curry]

We're at gun smoke level now.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. Even today.

[Adam Curry]

Although it turns out I was looking at the, at the overnights, I was looking at the trades. Here's the overnights, and I'm looking at the streets. And it turns out that the Gunsmoke show is now showing up in the streams as a raid. It's like in the top 15 or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, this would not surprise me because there is so much crap. And here's the trick that the streamers are doing. This really made me mad. So Amazon bought MGM Studios, which I think was an interesting purchase. They get the content library and they get access, it's real into Hollywood.

[Adam Curry]

And they get the stream studio.

[John C. Dvorak]

They get the studio. And so they created House of David, which I'm pretty sure they created that after the success of the Chosen and you know, the third Great Awakening, the season of Reveal, the revival that I believe we're in. And so that's all right. Don't worry, it'll come to your door. So House of David, which is about King David and it's really well produced, high end, lot of blood, a lot of killing, kind of follows the story, story of Samuel and it's fun to watch. So the first season, dynamite. Okay. And, oh, here's the second season. And I said, okay, let's go get, let's watch the second season. And now if you want to watch it, you have to get a new subscription from something called Wonder Life or something. Hold on, let me find out what this is called. What? Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, wait a minute. We're paying big dough.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Prime.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Used to be, by the way, for people out there that don't know this, when prime prime services first started, it was 75 bucks a month.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is it now?

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, no. 75 bucks a year, flat fee.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And they jack it up. And jack it up. This is what Netflix is doing, everyone. If you follow the markets, Netflix is up, outrageously high priced. And they and every, all the analysts are going, well, you know the one thing they can always do to boost their earnings, I could jack up the price. You know, at some point people are going to say, no, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, here it is. So now it requires an additional fee on top of the prime membership for this Wonder Life thing, whatever it is. I'm trying to find out what it's actually called. So you. You have to. It's a new streaming service. I'm like, well, okay, so they have the first six episodes. We'll watch all.

[Adam Curry]

All.

[John C. Dvorak]

All six real quick. And then it's like, oh, well, the next one is coming next Sunday.

[Adam Curry]

Sunday.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then episode eight will be the Sunday after that, which traps you into your free tier of seven days on this crazy streaming service. I don't even want. It's actually resisted watching for a bit.

[Adam Curry]

You should just give us. You should boycott.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this shows.

[Adam Curry]

I tried watching that show. I can't watch. It's unwatchable.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not for you. It's not for heathens.

[Adam Curry]

Definitely not.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have to be saved. This is not for you.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, searches for sinners.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like you're not a sinner. Okay, all right. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

You heard it here. You heard it here first. That's what the ladies like me, pride.

[John C. Dvorak]

Before a great fall, my friend.

[Adam Curry]

And there's no pride involved.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, all right.

[Adam Curry]

I got too many. I'm staying home. You know this.

[John C. Dvorak]

So anyway, just your thoughts are sinful. Just your thoughts.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way. Well, to you, maybe, by the way, there will be a meetup. I will be out of the house on the 15th of November, this coming Saturday, as a matter of fact. This coming Saturday.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

And I would hope that some of our local listeners, and there's a bunch of them show up because they didn't. I didn't think they showed up very. There was a mediocre presentation of. Of people last. Last time we did the Mallard Club, which is for people who haven't been to the Mallard Club. It. It is fashioned after a hunting lodge inside with a bunch of heads and dead ducks and things like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

And please, I want all our producers to go there and pray for John. That's what I want. Go there.

[Adam Curry]

You can pray for me. Not by going, I want you to go there. You can buy me a beer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Church is for sinners. I think that's true. That's probably a good statement. Churches for sinners. Yes, of course. We're all sick sinners. So one way you can help us is by going to a meetup. By organizing a meetup, bringing a tithe to your meetup to support the show. That's always very, very welcome.

[Adam Curry]

Usually in an envelope.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's good to put an envelope with your notes. With a note so it doesn't get confused. We try. There's a lot of administration. Throw cash around, a lot of administration, frustration with this show. Another way is by producing things for us. We have lots of end of show slop for you today. Some good ones. I'm actually very interested.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, today is dynamite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we've got some really good. They're not all AI, by the way. Not all. The one you like is definitely AI and I thought it was just phenomenal.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's two I like. I like the Stray Cats clone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And I like the techno stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

You love the techno stuff.

[Adam Curry]

I do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would you go to like a concert by Tiesto?

[Adam Curry]

No, never.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Because I could get you in. I could get you up in the DJ booth.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I don't have any interest in that.

[John C. Dvorak]

With your glow sticks.

[Adam Curry]

And I like techno to listen to when I'm in an airplane because it puts me out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, that's interesting. Another way is by supporting us with artwork. And we have, as we discussed earlier, noagendaartgenerator.com which is where you can upload your art. And it's, you know, we still have original artists. They're still lurking and we still choose them from time to time. But Jeffrey Ria, who typically comes in with very orange washed out slop, did a pretty good one. And he created the no Agenda Curry and Dvorak Farmer's Almanac. And it was a decent image. We both thought it stood out.

[Adam Curry]

We both liked it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it stood out.

[Adam Curry]

We liked the monochrome sometimes and that worked there because it had an old fashioned quality. Monochrome does that. And he's overdue. Yeah, we both commented on this to each other.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's overdue.

[Adam Curry]

The guy does so much work. Yeah. And you know, it's so hard and you bitch and moan constantly about it. I mean, the guy, I surprised. The guy still submits and so he finally gave us this excellent piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. Let me see, was there anything else else? I kind of like the. Now, wait a minute now. There wasn't much else, was there? No.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I did like the coach. Joe did another comic thing that I liked. But again, it doesn't make any sense. It's just pretty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I like New Yorkistan was also. Jeffrey Ria. You thought it was too simplistic, which it probably was. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it still takes a good idea no matter what you're trying to do.

[Adam Curry]

I want to mention something here that is probably going to be the way we think about this. Just Aaron 8 submitted a whole bunch of funny pieces that use images of the. Of these little characters that were in Despicable Me with the Minions Yes. They probably are copywritten images that we can't use without getting sued by Disney.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So we're not going to do that.

[Adam Curry]

So you have to be careful about the imagery you use. Even. Even if it was the AI that created it. Somebody has bitched about AI creating Minion imagery. And I. They're going to get sued for it. The people at the art systems.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the. The final and our favorite way of you supporting us with value for value to keep us going, keep us going through the 2028 Schumer. A Schumer in Newsome AOC ticket. Bernie's got to fit in there somehow too. Well, he.

[Adam Curry]

Bernie will, you know, Bernie will get promised. You know, Bernie's like. Bernie's got something to do with it. He'll. He's a sucker.

[John C. Dvorak]

He'll.

[Adam Curry]

He'll. He'll go along with it because he likes to get AOC in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he loves, you know, this is.

[Adam Curry]

An opportunity because, you know, I love the Schwarzer girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's great. She's perfect. I love her.

[Adam Curry]

You need to work on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm working on it. By the way, there is one thing worth watching on Netflix. The Eddie Murphy documentary. Oh, really? Yeah, it's really good.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I will watch that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. That is.

[Adam Curry]

I started watching the Diplomat again.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it wasn't. This third season is not that good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. But I have to say, in terms of comparing it to other shows, it's one of the best paced. Yeah, it's like very slick in terms of quality product. But the thing is. So what? In the olden days, when I was a kid, they would produce 36 shows a season.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes.

[Adam Curry]

And then they take a couple months, offers for summer, but now they produce 10 episodes, eight episodes a year. It's like, know. Okay, you put a lot of work into the eight episodes and so it's slick, but, you know, it's cheating.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that's about it. There isn't much else left. So these are our producers. We thank everybody $50 and above. And we'll tell you where they're from and we'll tell you how much they supported the show with. Because we're unlike the Epstein people, we're very transparent here. We have no babes in bikinis. But we do have people supporting us. And at this point, we'd like to thank people who are able to support us with a little bit more. $200 or more. We will thank you. We'll also read your note. See a long one came in. And we'll give you a title. Because this is like, you know, it's worth it. It's like show business, like Hollywood, what's left of it. And we will give you the title of associate executive producer for $200 or above. If you could do $300 or more, we'll read your note, we'll thank you profusely. And. And we will give you the title of executive producer. And these are real credits. You could go to IMDb.com and go look at Danny Brunetti. His no Agenda show Associate Executive producer credit is right at the top. It's right at the top of his list. Above. House of Cards is beautiful to watch. So we've got some mega supporters today. He's back. He's alive. We're happy to hear about it. Sierranimus of Dogpatch and Lower Slovovia comes. Comes in all cash. $3,861. It's code. We don't know exactly what it means. Did it include $2 bills?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, three of them for the six.

[John C. Dvorak]

And a single, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, it was a five and three. Twos is the 11. So you get the one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting. He always accompanies this with a very nice note.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think he's ever sent a.

[John C. Dvorak]

$1 bill because he's not cheap.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not that. It's because when they sent the pallet of money over to Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

It had all those $2 bills in it.

[Adam Curry]

There was, it was. There was. There was no ones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got it. Sierra Animus of Dogpatch and Lower Slabovia says thank you to all producers and the two hosts that make this such an important source of information, perspective and the best resource for media history. History in the universe. I don't think I could. That's what an endorsement.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, it was exhibited on today's show by Adam himself when he discussed the history of podcasting.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's correct. And he poses a number of questions here and I shall read them off. 1. Will having an African Muslim mayor of New York City cause a drop in no agenda. Listen. Well, I don't see why that would happen.

[Adam Curry]

No, I think it would cause an increase.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will he be compared to another Ugandan like IDI Amin?

[Adam Curry]

That's possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, IDI Amin was brought in by the CIA, so.

[Adam Curry]

And your point?

[John C. Dvorak]

Will anti Semite and anti Muslim fears grow among peace loving Christians? Yes, that fear is being bestowed upon Christians, Christians everywhere. And I'm telling people, hey, knock it off.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is. It's it truly is. It's. This is the next. Let's bring all the believers together. Let's make them all afraid of the Muslims. Dearborn. Well, Dearborn is being resident Mashiri Allah. Don't worry. I do not see that happening in America. Are anti Catholic fears in the office?

[Adam Curry]

I think that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't think so. Will Trump replace Jimmy Kimmel as a show host with Donald Live in 2029? Well, I'd watch it, but.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'd watch it, but that's not happening.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Do producers know where Molly Sudan or the Sahel are and should they care? Yes, yes, yes. And they should. I'm pretty sure our producers know where Molly Sudan and the Sahel.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know anybody that knows where Sahel. If you pronounce that way. It's just a desert area out in the middle of nowhere between two countries.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but this isn't.

[Adam Curry]

It's like the Mojave desert, basically.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is code. This is code. Keep your eye on the Sahel.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's an interesting point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course.

[Adam Curry]

What am I thinking?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Only no Agenda offers thoughtful insight into these and many more important issues ignored by the M5M. Sacrificial sacrificing Fortune to offer their perspective and information without advertiser censorship. Free and independent perspective supported by a vast resource of producers always matters and needs to be supported. No jingles, no karma. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Sierranimus of Dogpatch in Lower Slovovia. Not just for your donation, but we love your probing questions and it's just good to know you're a lot. Because we sometimes are wondering, is he okay?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, we do.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do wonder, is he okay? We haven't heard from him because I know he has. I feel he has a dangerous job whatever he does.

[Adam Curry]

He'd be a caterpillar salesman for all we know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, yeah, keep on believing that. I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

That's possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think so. Which leaves you with a rather long note to read.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I got. It's from Dame Catherine, our cryptogranny buddy. She's a very close associate to the show and she came here with the Rebelizer donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, we need the Jingle India tango mike standby.

[Adam Curry]

33, 33, 33.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rubberizer out. There you go.

[Adam Curry]

The special 3303.33. This is a big donation and she's been promising to do this for a while. I've been back and forth with her and this is actually did you send.

[John C. Dvorak]

This in big bitcoin.

[Adam Curry]

I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Even though it came in with the color.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, because it came in. It's bitcoin.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. It's a bitcoin donation. And she's been back and forth and back and forth for that one thing or another. And she's confused. Not confused, but she managed it because she sent a donation last show too. Let's see what we can get a streak of rubbleizers going. She says for you bitcoiners, there's a bit of magic to find where on Stripe you can donate. It's strike that we use.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, strike. Strike dot Strike. Strike with a K. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And it's. And it's on the NoaGendaDonations.com you click around, you'll find the links.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Hopefully John will clarify this in the future newsletters. And Jay's been dicking around with that site to make it easier for people because apparently some people can't click.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the QR code is the easiest because the way bitcoin works. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But it's down.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's down below. It's below the fall. Below the fall.

[Adam Curry]

Old. Yeah, it should. Yeah, it should.

[John C. Dvorak]

Move it up, Move it up.

[Adam Curry]

I want to thank you all for all your hard work over the years. I love hearing about your personal lives. I don't know why, but that's what she writes. Adam finding the keeper and then Jesus. And of course, John's kids at the dinner table. And the adorable. What are you teaching him now, John?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, what are you teaching him?

[Adam Curry]

Thank you to Mimi for her work and her keeping John in line.

[John C. Dvorak]

That should be. I think she meant keeping John alive. I think is what she meant.

[Adam Curry]

I have live baby. You have a good woman there. I feel like you're my family, especially with the quibbling back and forth. As a proud boomer, I really enjoy it when you tickle my memories that make me smile. Yeah, we do have a lot of these. It's called old stories. When I was a kid. Kid. And she continues. I have loved the evolution from the ground up. The trolls, the Boots on the ground, podcasting 2.0, the meetups, the artists. I like to give a shout out and special recognition to the producers in the background who do so much work. You have touched so many people in a very positive way. This is a long note, but it's a rebelizer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello.

[Adam Curry]

I would like to bestow these titles. My son JD will be JD Knight of the River's Edge. My adorable 5 year old granny daughter Taylor will be Dame Taytay of Durango. My super amazing daughter in law will be Dame Ashley Little Miss Sunshine. I think they may also get a peace prize in which they richly deserve.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, we can do that. JD would like bourbon, brussels sprouts and some amazing Mac and cheese at the round table.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, that brings me to my bonus question. Clip by have the amazing Mac and cheese. Hold on. Here it is. Hopefully this will suffice. Let me just crank up the volume on this a little bit. For some reason it's kind of low. Here we go.

[Guest/Reporter]

Ahead of Thanksgiving, Kraft Mac and Cheese is combining two Thanksgiving classics into one holiday dish. So let's see if you like this one here. They're introducing a new Kraft Mac and Cheese and apple flavor Apple pie flavor. So this new flavor is mixing Mac and cheese and apple pie for what they say is a new take on America's favorite dessert. If that sounds like something that you're craving, it's available nationwide at Walmart for a limited time.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you think?

[Adam Curry]

Walmart yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds nasty.

[Adam Curry]

She finishes off with thank you. And remember, remember, being rich is having enough to share with others. A note to all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's more to it, but I.

[Adam Curry]

Don'T have any more.

[John C. Dvorak]

That does not just mean money. It's time, talent and treasure from Dame Catherine Cryptogranny of Bangkok. And we go straight into another bitcoin donation from Sir Double T. ITM sirs, I've just seen the first confirmation of a 1010101 Satoshi donation. So that's over 1 million satoshis to the greatest podcast in the universe and thought it's time to send a note. I believe this donation gives me knighthood and I would like to be called Sir Double T of the Noster Verse. Yes, right. It came in at $1062.35. I love what you do. And I love my truck. Stay humble and stack. Sats says Sir Double T. Thank you very much. This bitcoin thing is rocking. John. Sir is good.

[Adam Curry]

Eli the Coffee Guy 21:13 the date looks like the penny finally tapped out after 232 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it did.

[Adam Curry]

Funny how something so small that we have taken for granted felt permanent. But alas, it had a good run. At least for now. We can still say our coffee is worth every penny penny. So visit gigawatt code. That's the transition of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

So visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order and get some Amazing. Fresh frozen coffee. Fresh frozen. Comes frozen today. Stay caffeinated. Eli the coffee guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

So is this not just a result of inflation, money printing or money supply? I should say that the penny now just has to go because we at one point had a halfway penny, did we not? Didn't we have a half penny?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, that's England. We never had a half penny.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we. Are you sure?

[Adam Curry]

I'm pretty sure. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure I think we have.

[Adam Curry]

There was a hay penny, it used to be called. And that was a British US coin.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm looking at half penny. Okay, let me see. And half cent. Yes, half cent. You're wrong, Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

That can happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was first minted in 1793, last minted in 1857. At that time it had purchasing power equivalent to between 12 and 17 cents in 2024 money.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's actually probably more than that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well if you can find one, it's probably worth.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the real reason for cutting this thing out is that it costs 4 cents to make 1 cent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. Well there's your inflation.

[Adam Curry]

It's dumb.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brian warden isn't coming, Georgia. And he sends us $200.07 associate executive producership for you. And he. Oh, this is good. I saw a six sided stop sign and knew I had to donate one of your.

[Adam Curry]

As opposed to what other sort of stop sign?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he said this was one of your many donation strategies from around the seven hundreds.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, well no, it's still. It's still in play.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we need to just remind people when you see a stop sign sign, you see that stop sign. You think donate to the no agenda show. Stop sign. Donate to the no agenda show. When you see a stop sign, donate to the no agenda show.

[Adam Curry]

What are you getting at? Whenever people, specifically, what do you mean by this?

[John C. Dvorak]

When you see a stop sign.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, okay, wait. I'm driving on the street and I see it's red. It's a stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Six sided. Six sided. It's a stop sign. And what's the first thing that goes through your mind? Time goes.

[Adam Curry]

Well, first thing that goes through my mind is to stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop and donate to the no agenda show.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well maybe that'll work.

[John C. Dvorak]

$115 NICU donation. $50 for John and all of his anal clips on $17.99. I kept my water and blankets, just sent my cash. That's right, Brian, thank you very much. And thank you for reminding us when you see a stop sign, it's time to Donate to your no Agenda show.

[Adam Curry]

Clint Loudon in Austin, Texas, right up the street from where you used to to live. 200 bucks. John and Adam, thanks for what you do. I'm sending an infographic on visas. You're welcome.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you, thank you.

[Adam Curry]

But. Okay, look for it. Infographics still exist. Also, I wish there was a Boomer award giving me ideas because that quit being so negative comment aimed at millennials a few shows ago was the most boomer thing ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's another. There's another interesting gag.

[Adam Curry]

You know, we have enough boomers who listen to the show that appreciate Boomer talk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think, I think Gen Z should be eligible for Boomer awards because it's kind of. They're kind of. They have Boomer values. That's why they're attracted to our Boomer talk.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And they want to learn as much as they can so they can have a competitive edge over the X's and the, and the millennials.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're.

[Adam Curry]

They're looking. They are aggressively looking. Even though they have these. They've been dumbed down by the public school system. They know this. They. They have self realization. And they know that they have to be competitive with these other two groups, not us, because, you know, they're not competing with us. They're competing with the exes and the millennials. They know that they're going to have to have an edge. And the edge is the knowledge of the boomers.

[John C. Dvorak]

The boomer knowledge.

[Adam Curry]

Boomer knowledge.

[John C. Dvorak]

Speaking of a competitive edge.

[Adam Curry]

Good name for a show, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Boomer knowledge. Speaking of a competitive edge, Linda Loopatkin is here with $200 from Lakewood, Colorado, and she wants jobs, karma. And in fact, says for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all of your executive resume and job search and needs. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[Guest/Reporter]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs. Michael Day in Fuquay, Varina, which is not pronounced correctly because I don't know how to pronounce it in North Carolina. 200 bucks and he's simple. Note, nice and short. Credit my wife, Damon Kelly. And then he says, save the ostriches, which is too late. The Canadians killed them all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Killed the ostriches. Brutally. Yes, it's horrible.

[Adam Curry]

For no good reason, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just because they're Canadian crazy over there. Mark Carney. Mark Carney's killing your ostriches, people. Thank you very much to these executive and associate executive producers for episode 1816, you will be credited as such. And remember, these credits are real. They are valid. If anyone questions them, all you have to do is let us know and we will gladly vouch for you. They will be presented on the credits and of course you can put them anywhere that credits are recognized and appreciated. Your LinkedIn profile and don't forget the IMDb.com I'll be thanking the the rest of of our supporters who went to noagendadonations.com at the end of the show. Our second segment once Ow. Once again, congratulations to the executive and associate executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[Guest/Reporter]

Shut up slaves.

[Adam Curry]

I love my truck and I love what I do. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's it. Well, since we've been playing with it throughout the show, might as well play this report. Get your sound makers ready. Ike is at a turkey farm in.

[Adam Curry]

New Jersey with more. Good morning to you, Ike. Good morning, Robin.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're saying good morning to listen the good folks here at Double Brook Farm.

[Adam Curry]

In Hopewell, New Jersey. They're gearing up for Thanksgiving and I don't think they like that too much.

[John C. Dvorak]

But let me tell you, you should.

[Adam Curry]

Be gearing up too. I know grocery store prices are rising across the country, but a new report says that your Thanksgiving feast could actually be a bit cheaper this year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, mine doesn't work that well anymore. I think I touched the membrane.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, you have to catch it just right. The thing is. Touchy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Touchy. 50 year mortgages. This was kind of.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's a scam if ever there was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let me play the report and then I have some questions this morning.

[Guest/Reporter]

New backlash as the Trump administration moves forward with a plan to introduce 50 year mortgages.

[John C. Dvorak]

It looks to be like the President's looking for a quick fix to a market that is fundamentally broken right now.

[Guest/Reporter]

Over the weekend, Trump sharing this image comparing the proposed proposal to the 30 year mortgage policies championed by FDR nearly a century ago. The move could potentially kick start the now stagnant real estate market. Homes are currently seeing the lowest turnover rate in 30 years and the median age of first time homebuyers just hit an all time high of 40 years old.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's really difficult to see right now for younger borrowers how they are going to be able to afford a home.

[Guest/Reporter]

A longer fixed rate mortgage with lower monthly payments, but would also create a higher total cost because of all that interest over five days, decades take a $400,000 loan at 6% interest. Under a 30 year mortgage, the monthly payment would be just shy of $2,400. Under a 50 year loan, it drops to just over $2,100, a savings of nearly $300 a month. But over time, that savings is erased by a much larger interest bill because while the total interest on a 30 year loan would be about $463,000, the interest on a 50 year loan would total more than 860,000. Many, including longtime allies of President Trump, are not on board with the idea. Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene saying, quote, it will ultimately reward the banks, mortgage lenders and homebuilders, while people pay far more in interest over time and die before they ever pay off their home. In debt, forever in debt for life. And the White House has not yet explained how it would get around the Dodd Frank act, which effectively bans mortgages longer than 30, 30 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that effectively ban is not entirely true, but you wouldn't be a qualified mortgage lender. But it's not banned by any stretch of the imagination. But tell us about the this is important for our Gen Z listeners. What advice will you give them? Which of course is not financial advice because we don't give any. But what is your thoughts on this?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't like it. It's a scam of sorts. I mean this is like increasing the car loans from, you know, two years, three years.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it normal seven years now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they got it jacked up. So you just pay a lot of benefits to banks and the banks are the problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

A question, a question, a question. You can deduct the interest from your taxes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So isn't that, although Trump put a cap on that a few years ago and then luckily the Democrats took the cap off and I think it's off now for a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is. It's up to like 40,000 or something.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's still a cap, but it's not. Was down to 10.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it's, well, that's what Trump did and then now it's up to 40. So I mean, is that not something that you should look at?

[Adam Curry]

It's a big deal that you can, it lowers your taxes. That's true. Yeah, it's helpful. But it lowers your taxes with the 30 year mortgage too. The difference is negligible in so far as the taxes is concerned. But in terms of the long term accumulation of interest, it's. No, it's ridiculous. Ridiculous and it's large. I think this whole problem with the shortage and the problem with the kids getting in is it has to do with the banks. The banks make it difficult for anyone to get a loan for anything. And for this purpose to create a phony crisis. So they have to do something like drastic like this 50 year thing. And all of a sudden they relax the standards and everyone will be able to get one of these loans. This is basically some sort of a scam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. So stay away.

[Adam Curry]

And for the kids, you're gonna just have to starve yourself to get. Once you get your down payment and get in, you're good to go. But you're gonna have to sacrifice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only fans. Only fans.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, some truth to that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Just saying.

[Adam Curry]

I got a note from a guy. Guy that was. Where is this note? Here it is a lot of notes. I haven't, I haven't caught up with my notes. This guy goes on and says he has a comment on the show related to show 1815. During the show you were discussing health care and health insurance companies. You had an anecdotal story regarding a young woman. This is the last show actually seeking the MRI approach. And then she could get it for 700 bucks as opposed to 1500. She talked to another provider. Blah blah, blah, blah, blah. Your analysis, blame the insurance company for the outrageous difference. However, the deductible payment goes to the hospital provider, not the insurance company. So the hospital is going to collect the 5k plus whatever the insurance company reimburses, plus the 7 versus the 750 if cash was paid. The serious gouging by the hospital provider?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes.

[Adam Curry]

So why did the hospitals provide. Are as much at fault as anyone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why do the hospitals gladly take cash payment at a lower price then if, if, if that is true.

[Adam Curry]

They don't gladly take it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes they do.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they do take it. But this, this one hospital wouldn't. They're too. I don't think. I don't think this applies to all hospitals. That's the problem. And I think it definitely applies to HMO hospitals, which by the way was.

[John C. Dvorak]

A British Invasion convention.

[Adam Curry]

And not only that, but it was HMOs in this country until Richard Nixon. I have to write an essay on this so I can get it straight myself. But Richard Nixon allowed the HMOs to, when he was in office passed a law that allowed them to make profit. They were not allowed. They would have to be. Had to be nonprofit, had to be break even operations, all these HMOs. That's when Kaiser was in business. I used to be a Kaiser girl. Yeah, I was a Kaiser girl. I used to be a. I worked for Kaiser and I got free health care from Kaiser. And then I continued that health benefit was cheap and it was pay as you go. I didn't remember paying a monthly thing. That all changed with Nixon. And they started creeping and creeping. They could make more and more profits. And you look at the balance sheets and the billions of dollars being made by all these middlemen, including the hospitals and the insurance companies aren't making millions. Millions and billions of dollars because everybody's doing, getting health care inexpensively. So I, I blame both the healthcare. The whole system sucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, because you brought up mri, producer Scott sent a note. He says I need an MRI for a shoulder injury. My orthopedic doctor's office performs them. They bill insurance, sixteen hundred dollars. They were willing to give me a self pay price of $1,200. Crowd health, that's the thing that Tina, that Tina can tell you about. Tinaurry.com found an imaging center that happened to be closer than my ortho's office. The imaging center performed the mri, produced a written report by a radiologist, sent that report to my ortho and me and gave me a disc of the images. Final price, $321 dollars. Dude, that's a quarter of the price.

[Adam Curry]

Pays the shop around.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, in this case crowd health did it. And then I got a disturbing note. I don't understand how this could even happen. So I don't know if you found out about California if health insurance is mandatory.

[Adam Curry]

I have yet to disprove this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, one of our producers lives in Massachusetts. He says Massachusetts imposes a penalty if you don't have health insurance. Because I use crowd health, I will have to pay a penalty. I decided to pay the penalty because I think the cheaper. Yeah, I think the crowd health model is good for the country. I don't like giving my money to insurance companies. I like being able to choose what crowd events I pay for. And there's a decent chance my cost will still be lower by using crowd health and paying the penalty. But they have this whole. He sent me a whole penalty schedule. Schedule. I mean this was the whole point of removing the Obamacare tax. And now I didn't know that states just went ahead and just made this law. I mean isn't that, doesn't that fall under the same unconstitutional tax? That's not a tax.

[Adam Curry]

There's something fishy about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd say, well, let's get Rob on it because he's got nothing better to do.

[Adam Curry]

Poor Rob. Oh God, those guys are asking me more legal questions for free.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come on, Rob.

[Adam Curry]

It's like most lawyers have a little clock next to the phone. As soon as they pick up, they tap it and they, they're billing you by the second.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like one of those chess clocks.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's exactly the same and it's going around and around yet. Can you ask that question again?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's also possible that he's just noting this and one day he'll come up and say, okay, I need to be a duke and here's my accounting.

[Adam Curry]

He's got the clock running.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's my accounting over that.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, being an attorney, that would not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Surprise me and I wouldn't be a problem for me.

[Adam Curry]

I'm, you know, dukedoms are what they are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they are indeed. That's funny. All right, you have other stuff here in your list that you haven't.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got this catch up stuff. I got this stuff. To get us up to speed, let's go with the. Well, we got the Trump suing the BBC over that thing. We kind of discussed that earlier.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, it turns out this morning ABC, Australian Broadcasting had pulled the same stunt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they did.

[Adam Curry]

They may be up. Yes. And they're getting burned. They got burned by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tell it. Did they take, did they take the same.

[Adam Curry]

No, it was different. Different but still bad, huh? Different. And they got burned by Sky. Sky News.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wow.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, just the same the way the Telegraph did with the BBC. Let's go with the Ukraine update.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody loves the Ukraine update.

[Adam Curry]

Secretary of State Marco Rubio continues meeting with G7 foreign ministers in Canada today. Ukraine's foreign minister is attending as well. Well, Ukraine is seeking to buy 25 additional Patriot defense systems in the US and today's international correspondent Arian Pastar has more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Secretary of State Marco Rubio is among the G7 officials welcoming Ukraine's foreign minister in Canada on Wednesday. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky recently said he wants to order 25 Patriot Air Defense systems from the United States. Meanwhile, Canada has announced additional additional sanctions.

[Adam Curry]

On people and entities involved in Russia's drone program.

[John C. Dvorak]

The measure will affect 13 people and 11 entities, including several involved in the development and deployment of Russian drones. Meanwhile, in Ukraine, Kiev is battling an alleged major 100 million dollar corruption scheme. Anti corruption authorities say they detained five people suspected of involvement in the alleged plot to control procurement in state energy enterprises. Ukraine's government is now being shaken up. On Wednesday, the country's Energy Minister resigned while the Justice Minister was suspended. This comes after President Volodymyr Zelensky called for their dismissal. I believe the Justice Minister and Energy Minister can no longer remain in their positions. This is a matter of trust. If there are accusations, they must be addressed. The corruption in the energy sector comes as Russia keeps attacking Ukraine's energy infrastructure infrastructure which brings blackouts across the country ahead of winter.

[Guest/Reporter]

I was actually very angry after the shelling of the energy infrastructure because it turns out that our energy facilities are not protected for this year of the war.

[John C. Dvorak]

The scandal also hurts Ukraine's bid to join the European Union. Fighting corruption is central to Kyiv's goal for EU membership. Meanwhile, the fighting continues in eastern Ukraine. Oh, that's interesting. Do you think that this, this was part of the. We want to be in the eu. So look what we. We got rid of some guys maybe.

[Adam Curry]

But it just points out that the whole place is corrupt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course it is. I have actually a clip here from European Parliament Vice President Hanna Virkunnen about the media in the EU they have instituted. I didn't know about this. It's called the Media Freedom Act.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we know with. With that wording. That means it's just the opposite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, in a way, you have to kind of get into her accent. But it's a short clip. We are supporting our journalist work and.

[Adam Curry]

Our news media, of course, these kind of programs.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's only a very small part when we look the whole financial framework where.

[Adam Curry]

Our media is working nowadays.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I see that it's even more important.

[Guest/Reporter]

Important also to make sure that we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are creating more level playing field for our media. Because we notice how she keeps saying our media, our media, our media, our media. Important also to make sure that we are creating more level playing field for our media.

[Adam Curry]

Because we know that our media is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very much under financial pressure because of the digitalization and because of the online.

[Adam Curry]

Platforms that the people are not buying.

[John C. Dvorak]

So much newspaper, newspapers for example, anymore. And a big part of advertising is also in digital platforms.

[Guest/Reporter]

So we have to also look at.

[John C. Dvorak]

How we can create more level playing field for our media. But at the same time, it's very.

[Guest/Reporter]

Important also that we are supporting our.

[Adam Curry]

Journalist work and free and independent media.

[Guest/Reporter]

And of course, member states are also.

[Adam Curry]

Playing very important role here.

[Guest/Reporter]

And that's why we have Media Freedom.

[Adam Curry]

Act now in the place. And member states are currently now implementing it. And we are now encouraging all the member states to implement it very fast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because there we are also looking the.

[Adam Curry]

Ownerships and the structures of media in different member states to make sure that we have free independent and media all over in our.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our member states. Yeah, so you're right, of course. This is not about free independent media. The European Media Freedom act provides grants to state media. Media for media innovation and journalism partnerships in the millions. Yeah, this is all. And all state media in Europe is all socialist. It's horrible. It's. You know, it's no better than the BBC lying, you know, and. And it's. It's controlled by the politicians because the politicians here. You are. Are controlling the money that they want. Another little tidbit from European legislation. As of January 2027, every euro above €10,000 in cash in your home becomes illegal tender. Every crypto transaction must be a data point in the database.

[Adam Curry]

So wait, so If I had $15,000 in cash because I. Whatever reason, let's say I was going to. I' for. To buy a car?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no, no. The EU anti money laundering package starting in 2027. Buying a car.

[Adam Curry]

Do they realize that drug guys, the drug dealers, do business in the millions?

[John C. Dvorak]

Buying a car in cash will be a crime. What? At 2027, sending over €1,000 without state approval triggers prosecution. The digital euro arrives in 2029, and you will only be able to hold €3,000 in your digital euro. Every purchase tracked, every pattern analyzed. Yeah, this is great.

[Adam Curry]

Why would anyone put up with this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because it's being.

[Adam Curry]

I want to buy a car. Cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. Just no. No, you can't.

[Adam Curry]

Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because you will own nothing and you will be happy. No. Just no. I got to get my kid out of there before 2029. This is nuts.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, you're not having much success from the way I see it.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're coming for Christmas. They're coming for Christmas. And I'm going to take them around. I'm going to show them how wonderful it is in America. America. And Christmas is a great time. Particularly in Fredericksburg.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, is it one of those festive little towns?

[John C. Dvorak]

We are the. The Christmas town of Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Is that right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, where's the photos from last year? I haven't seen one photo.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

You just said. You should have had photos like you send them to me. I put them in the newsletter. There's a lot of things we can do with these photos. I want to see some really dynamite photos.

[John C. Dvorak]

I will send you some dynamite photos because we will be on one of the balconies on Main street because we. We're connected.

[Adam Curry]

What are you doing on a balcony just sitting there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Then you can see the whole parade go by.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there's a parade? You didn't say anything about that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you didn't let me get.

[Adam Curry]

You gonna try to get the kid there before the parade? Is it called the Christmas parade? What's it called?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's a Christmas. It's. Well, it's the. The lighting of. We have a big Christmas tree on the marked.

[Adam Curry]

You have like a Rockefeller Center Christmas tree type thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have all kinds.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, we do. Yes, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I finally found the guy who speaks German here, Bert. So we wanted to have our. We have a.

[Adam Curry]

Won't tell you.

[John C. Dvorak]

A gas fireplace. And so we got a number from the guy we bought the house from. And Bert comes over and turns out Bert is the owner of Hill Country Propane, which is the propane company.

[Adam Curry]

Hank Hill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And Bert says. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Does he talk like this?

[John C. Dvorak]

He does. And he says, I'm 71. They won't let me retire, but I love doing these myself. And he had stories about.

[Adam Curry]

How did he call you Bobby?

[John C. Dvorak]

He did not call me Bobby. He had great stories. He was into drag car racing. And he has an incredible history. And he's like fifth generation. Fredericksburg still has 400 acres himself. These are wonderful people out here. And, you know, it's. And what was it he said for his wedding? His. His. His college buddy, he said, yeah, I want you to. I want your band to play at my wedding. And so his buddy came over and set up. He said, you know, we got an. Our singer quit. So we're auditioning a new singer and it's going to be here at the. During your wedding. And he said, ah, it's fine. I don't. I don't care. That singer was George Strait.

[Adam Curry]

My buddy.

[John C. Dvorak]

My buddy. My buddy George.

[Adam Curry]

One of the top singers in the world ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, that was his audition. And his college buddy still plays drums for George Strait. It's a magical town, John. We got magical people here. Just remember.

[Adam Curry]

And they give us. They give us Fredericksburg insight that we can rebut.

[John C. Dvorak]

Inverse. Inverse Fredericksburg.

[Adam Curry]

What is it called again? I got to get the. To write it down. What is it called?

[John C. Dvorak]

Inverse Fredericksburg.

[Adam Curry]

Just Inverse Fredericksburg. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's like inverse Kramer. You know, whatever Kramer says on cnbc, do the opposite. Yeah. By the way, next week. Next week MSNBC goes to Ms. Now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. On the 15th.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm very excited. They're gonna have new. New producers.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's what they say. Could be musical chairs for all we know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And I have an update? Yes. Not quite sportsball, but I figured this was an update that you'd be interested in. Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Konnichiwa. And thanks for joining us on Grand Sumo Highlights. It's day two of the November tournament. Yokozuna Ono Sato got off to an auspicious start with a convincing day one victory. He seems well positioned to capture his fourth title of the year and do it again in back to back fashion.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. There's your sumo update. There was like some 16 year old kid that was a third of the side of this sumo wrestler and he beat him. Did you see that?

[Adam Curry]

No, I didn't see this. I didn't see day two. I saw day one and I've been watching.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're my seed. This is why I bring the sumo updates.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know I did this. Here's what the problem is with this tournament. It, they always play it on three or four different specific hours. The highlights you can watch live if you want to, but you have to wait till after.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love, I love watching it live.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I mean I will watch one maybe once live. It takes forever. You don't have any clue about how long it takes to do one match.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know.

[Adam Curry]

Until you watch it live.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dallying. And they keep saying sit there, they.

[Adam Curry]

Get up, they get down, they take a shit, they take a pee, they go here they go there, they get up, they get down, they get up to get that. It goes on forever. And they finally have the match.

[John C. Dvorak]

It does look like they're pooping, doesn't it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's just one thing. It's just ridiculous. So those highlights are the way to go. So, so what happened though is after daylight saving time switched back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The times on the shows haven't switched back. They're the same time. So they, they're off an hour. So I'm a schedule oriented type of guy. And so you know, like when I expected I'd go watch the sumo at 9:30 and oh, it's already over. Oh, because it was bummer they played it at 8:30. Yeah. And it's just so it takes me, it'll take me probably two tournaments to get the timing right.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that ladies and gentlemen is your sports ball update by donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, that'd be fab.

[Adam Curry]

And while we had a big first half of show, we have a lesser second half of show in terms of numbers of donors. In fact, it's one of the all time lows total with a grand total of 25 people who actually came in. And so it's going to be a very short segment which Adam will now read beginning with our buddy in Sparks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that is Dame rita in Sparks, Nevada. And she sends us $167. Christopher Ebert in Spartanburg, South Carolina. Vote Lindsey Graham out 105 35. Rochelle Lysinski in Bailey, Colorado. What does she say here? Oh, something about the Gen Z's. If you want more people to listen live, tell them what day or time they should tune in. Old school radio appointment setting strategy. But it works. It helps the new Gen Z listeners. No, they can't read clocks, so they'll never know. Oh, that's.

[Adam Curry]

We do this on DHM Plug. We constantly pound Horowitz does the time that the show runs live.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, I didn't realize, I didn't realize that this is. That's her real name. This is Rocky Thomas sending this donation. Rocky Thomas? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Who's Rocky Thomas?

[John C. Dvorak]

Rocky. Rocky, she's a friend. Rocky Thomas, she is the chief success officer, Chief revenue officer, one of the co founders of Live365.

[Adam Curry]

Oh really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And she is what they call a technic up there in Colorado with her husband and their kids. Yes. Go podcasting. You're right, Rocky Thomas. We shall tell everybody. Listen live at 1pm Texas time. Figure it out for wherever you live. Kevin McLaughlin from Concord, North Carolina.

[Adam Curry]

805 Mike, you left Mike.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh Mike. Sorry. Mike. 10535 sumo donation. Wow. How about that? Now we go to Kevin who says Laos Deo translates to Praise be to God inscribed on top of the Washington Mommy and facing east towards the rising sun. That's his boob donation. And then Sir Scott. Ah, he is in fact the Black knight of the no Agenda Armory. He says this donation is to celebrate my 60th trip around the sun on Wednesday the 12th. Scott of course is always to be found. It's at the many meetups in the Austin area. He organized a lot of them with his beautiful wife. This takes me to the title of Black Viscount of the no Agenda Armory. I'm a full priced viscount. No double credit donations, no executive producer titles, no no Commodore titles or other gimmicks. Just 295 $12.50 auto bank paychecks on every payday with a few other donations. That meetup sprinkled in to be a viscount with no Aztecs. That's a Reverend Al reference. Please play the David Bowie title change jingle couple with health karma to help me get over my hypertension battle. So I can once again have the energy to start hosting Austin and Meetups. Thank you. Scott R. Morgan. He is Sir Scott, the black knight of the no Agenda Armory and a friend of the show. Thank you, Sir Scott. Congratulations.

[Adam Curry]

He came in with 62.41.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he did. Christopher Dector, 5678 5678. Gina Moley with 5272. I'm pretty sure that's $50 with fees. Thank you for the tip about Amarula. Brought it to a dinner party. Everybody loved it. Dessert with raspberries with ice cream. It was delicious. Poured over the spice top. Oh, there's a tip on the tip. Hannah Richter, 5272. Stephen Shoemake in Xenia, Ohio. 50. These are the 50s. Scott McCarty, Lodi, California. Tim Del Vecchio in Blandon, Pennsylvania. Gary Mao in Woodland Hills, California. Isn't that where all the tech guys live? Woodland Hills? I'm thinking.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Patricia Worthington, Miami, Florida. Dame Dame Patricia Worthington. Brandon Savoy in Port Orchard, Washington. Commodore Sir Crummy in El Cajon, California. And winding it up there is Harry Clan from Alito, Texas. Thank you all very much. These are the rest of our producers. $50 and above. We do not mention or thank under 50 directly but we are thankful of course that is for reasons of anonymity and you can support the best podcast in the universe by going to no agendadonations.com and supporting us with any amount that you thought you got out of the show. Value for value. You can always set up a recurring donation like Sir Scott. Any amount, any frequency. No agenda donations.com and it looking a bit like the donation list there. Only one birthday, only one. But it is the big six zero. Sir Scott the Vik Vicount to be of the armory turned 60 years old. Congratulations. Happy birthday from everybody here. The best podcast in the universe. And by request Sir Scott receives the David Bowie title change as he goes from Black Knight of the no Agenda Armory to Sir Scott, Black Viscount of the no Agenda Armory. Thanks to was it 275 $12.50 donations. It does work people. Thank you very much Scott. We love you. We love you long time my friend. Before we get to our dames and knights, we do have several recipients of the no Agenda International Peace Prize which can be picked up in Noagendarings.com and is well deserved by the following people who are the recipients of the no Agenda International Peace Prize. Sierranimus of Dogpatch in Lower Slovovia JD Taylor and Ashley. These, of course, are the Cryptogranny Kids. Or grandkids. Yeah, grandkids. Congratulations and welcome to that elite club that includes our president, our vice president, and the negotiation team of Make Gaza Great Again. And we have two dames and two knights. So get your blade out, John, if you don't mind.

[Adam Curry]

There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a beauty. Welcome to the stage Taylor, Ashley, JD And Double T. All of you become knights or dames of the no Agenda Roundtable. I'm very proud of to pronounce the Kate Thee as Dame Tay Tay of the Durango. Dame Ashley, Little Miss Sunshine, J.D. knight of River's Edge, and Sir Double T of the Nosterverse for you. We've got hookers and Blow rent boys and Chardonnay bourbon, Brussels sprouts and some amazing Mac and cheese of the apple pie flavor variety. Along with that, we've got Ruby Nest lemon and rose geishas and sake, vodka and vanilla Bongit, Suburban sparkling cider and Mike Escorts, ginger and gerbils, breast milk and pablum. And as always, here at the Round Table, we've got the mutton and the mead. You got rings. Rings are for you. Go to noagendarings.com you might meet some International Peace Prize recipients there as well. And take a look at that beautiful ring. It is a signet ring, so we send you some wax which you can melt down, press that ring into to seal your important correspondence. It always comes with a certificate of authenticity. And as always, please use the handy Ring Sizing guide there to let us know what size to send you and where to send it. And welcome our brand new knights and dames of the no Agenda Roundtable.

[Adam Curry]

No Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's right. We got tons of meetups taking place all over the globe. We love it when people tell us how it went. And here is the Oklahoma City Meetup report. They titled this meetup. Everything's an Op. Hey, this is Sir Art Vandelay. We are are here at the Everything's an Op OKC no Agenda Meetup. And we're gonna go around and let everybody say their piece. I am Shotgicus Maximus in the morning. ITM no Agenda. This is Fomer Brahmin giving a quick.

[Adam Curry]

Shout out to Carl and Char.

[Guest/Reporter]

Greetings from a local generationally irrelevant zoomer.

[John C. Dvorak]

ITM y', all, this is the Oklahoma.

[Adam Curry]

Formerly a the Swamp, being a cute little douchebag. In the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning. This is Aaron. From Norman Bezos to John and Adam.

[Guest/Reporter]

This is Dame Cassidy Eastwood of Dimension.

[Adam Curry]

A sir demo. Dave in the morning.

[Guest/Reporter]

In the morning it's Dame Brazen Bird.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we're talking about Shoegaze.

[Adam Curry]

Hi. All right, there you have it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's been an awesome time. It's unfortunately they did not include their server in the report. We always love hearing that and it gives a promotion to the establishment. Maybe the indie meetup did better. Dame Annette, here's her report.

[Adam Curry]

This is Sarah, Mark and this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

D. Maria and this is the Indy.

[Adam Curry]

NA Meetup coming to you live from Fort Wayne, Indiana at the estate of Sir PBR Street Gang and Dame Trinity. It was an amazing event and the long and short barrels were quite tasty.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning. John and Adam, Sir PBR Street Gang.

[Adam Curry]

I guess we are hosting this Keeping the America safe from pumpkins.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hat tip to my nephew, great range master. Having a great time here in Fort Wayne.

[Guest/Reporter]

Dame Trinity hosting a great meetup along with Sir PBR Street Gang. We had a great turnout, beautiful weather and a lot of great company and food in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Mike Stulak AKA region rat from Hobart, Indiana. Sir Ohio bloke here in Cherubusco, Indiana because apparently Ohio is too boring.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir Son of a bloke.

[Adam Curry]

Go sportsball.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Syrup of the Maple. Having a fantastic time here in Fort Wayne, not Indianapolis in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

This is Dominic of Hicksville and this is my first meetup and evidently I brought too many guns in the morning. Adam, John, this is Josh from Indianapolis. Guns, friends and food.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yum. In the morning. This is Alicia.

[Guest/Reporter]

Glad to be here today shooting pumpkins thanks to Sir PBR Street Gang and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dame Trinity in the morning. John and Adam. It's Nada from Indianapolis. You're a code bongino for that too many guns website in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

John and Adam. I just found out Maria is non.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mexican so I'm calling off the ice.

[Adam Curry]

Raid.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning. 676 7. Those guys are crazy. That was right. That was their. Their shoot up meetup. That's what that was. Beautiful. Thank you very much. Couple more meetups taking place. One you might want to go to. We some important ones on the 15th. That'll be Saturday. The Dallas Fort Worth Mid cities turkey optional starts at 11:30 in the morning at Chef Point Cafe in Coleyville, Texas. The Fort Wayne Noah Jenna Club 33, number 38 at Hall's Tavern in Coventry, Fort Wayne, Indiana and then the big northern Silicon Valley. Get John out of the house. Meetup at 3:33pm at Club Mallard in Albany, California. Go get John out of the house. Also, the NOAA Jenna Central Ohio meetup kicks off at 5:30 on Saturday at Dempsey's in Columbus, Ohio. And the Gitmo Nation Fondue Meetup. This is the Zurich Meetup, Switzerland. Six o' clock at Nelson's Pub in Zurich, Switzerland. Looking forward to a meetup report from you guys. And there is an RSVP on that one. Many more to [e-mail] once you go to one of these, you will want to keep coming back. You will find connection that gives you protection. These people will be your first responders in any emergency. Go to noagendameetups.com to find out if there's one happening near you. If there isn't one, here's an idea. Start one yourself. It's easy, it's fun, and it's always a party. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days. You wanna be where you won't be triggered on Hell's Lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same. A reminder, we do have John's tip of the Day coming up. We have some great end of show slop, end of show mixes, which are not all AI. I think you will enjoy them. And before that, we always like to determine what we're going to play as our end of show ISO. I have actually, I'm over ISO today. I have four of them. Do you. How many ISO do you have? Two. I see. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I'll start with mine. I'm hungry. Just like that kid. So much. Here's another one. That is awesome. I'm pulling from the archives.

[Adam Curry]

It could have been better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're doing great.

[Adam Curry]

Well done.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not too bad.

[Adam Curry]

I find that exhilarating.

[John C. Dvorak]

All very positive. All positive. All.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's about time. I did like the second to the last one. I thought that was good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're doing great.

[Adam Curry]

Well done. Yeah. That one a British guy. Okay, well, I have a couple. You have to guess which one's AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. I can. I can see by the waveform, it's. Yup.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's start with best. These two fellas are the best in the business.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not AI. Okay. He fooled me. Yeah. And the other one.

[Adam Curry]

Yep, yep.

[Guest/Reporter]

This is the only good podcast anyone does.

[Adam Curry]

These two fellas are the best in the business.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're doing great.

[Adam Curry]

Well done.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh, I think that's a double combo. I. I'm kind of liking that. That.

[Adam Curry]

All right, I'm in.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I knew you'd be in. And not only that, ladies and gentlemen, not only is he in, but he has your tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes, Adam, I get some flack for this one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So there's a knife sharpener I've been using for 30 years and that keeps. I bought a second one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sharpeners are important. This is, I'm excited about this.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I know why I'm going to get flack. I've had, I've tried all these different kinds of knife sharpeners. There's a three stage, four stage. There's a one. You do this and this and this. And this is a one shot knife sharpener. It's one stage age. It's not a cheap sharpener. It used to be cheaper and I think you can still get it on sale. If you look around, it's the Zwillig or Zwilling Zwilling, which I believe is hinkles, but Zwilling 32-325-90 300 twin sharp knife sharpener. It's a funny looking thing. And you, you, it's you. It's easy to hold down. You hold it down to the, the, to the ground, to the table and then you drag the knife across this little slot and I have had, I have old Pre World War II steel knives. I've got some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are these, are these the knives that you use to kill Nazis?

[Adam Curry]

I think they would work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Zwillig. What is it? What is the number number again?

[Adam Curry]

It's the Zwilling 325-90-0300 called a Twin sharp. And I have, okay, I have some Sabatiers that I've had since the 70s and I keep sharpening them and it, I think it, it, I think sharpens the hell out of any blade except the Japanese blade. If you have Japanese blade blades, you have to get a stone. Don't use a Japanese blade on this thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is like a plastic handle. Is that the one?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's got the plastic. Funny shape. Just got a plastic handle. Yeah. It holds down and you pull your knife across towards you.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a very simplistic 49 bucks on Amazon. I see.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's too high, but it's what it is. But you pull a knife, you put the knife in and you pull it toward you and you do two of those will sharpen any knife pretty quickly.

[John C. Dvorak]

For the Japanese, the Japanese ones, Japanese.

[Adam Curry]

Knife'S got a different blade angle and everything's wrong. And a good Japanese knife needs a stone and you have to go to get them. From a Japanese. I have a Japanese stone that's from some mountain in Japan. It's so famous. A whetting stone.

[John C. Dvorak]

A whetting stone?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. They have these. Yes, they have. The Japanese have all these rituals about stone sharpening and they have these myths about the Stone Mountain that you have to take a chunk from that and use that to sharpen your knives. It's a long story story with Japanese knives. They're very, especially the good ones. So you have to be careful with those.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what I would like in, in follow up to this, which I think would really complete the series, I would like a knife tip of the day. A kitchen knife tip of the day. I think you could do several of them actually.

[Adam Curry]

I could do quite a few knife tips of the day. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I will work on, on the. The ultimate knife tip.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can find this tip and all of John's tips of the [e-mail] take a look. It's worth it.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Brunetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And we thank Dana Brunetti for this fabulous creation.

[Adam Curry]

The. The flak I'm gonna get is that this type of sharpener does can.

[John C. Dvorak]

It can hurt. You can kill yourself with it.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it's, it, it's, it's attacks the blade rather aggressively.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's an aggressive sharpener. We have end of show mixes, people, and you will like them. David denton, sir joho, FBI junk and nico syme. And remember, you can hear 24. 7 non stop end of show mixes and AI [e-mail] turn it on in the car. Amaze your your friends and family and the kids that will all love it. Hello darling. My beautiful wife coming in with my, with my after show drink. Yeah, perfect.

[Adam Curry]

Not over.

[John C. Dvorak]

The show's not over. Coming up next on the no Agenda stream, bowl after bowl. Make sure you stay tuned for that and please remember us. We'll be back on Sunday and I'm coming to you from the Christmas capital of the world, Fredericksburg, Texas. The heart of the hill country. The more. Morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll be back on Sunday and you will be here with us. Remember us atnoensafe donations.com. until then, adios mofos a hui hui and such.

[Adam Curry]

Here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

With the morning news and GS Got the deconstruction blues.

[Guest/Reporter]

We got the GMO nation.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's all the tr. Now it's the best podcast in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

Now it's the best podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Universe. It's the best podcast in the universe. In the universe.

[Adam Curry]

This.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is no agenda. Is is no agenda. Media deconstruction. Deconstruct media. Media deconstruction. Deconstruct media agenda. Hello, Are you there? Adam, are you there? John, this is your executive producer. This is your associate executive producer. Crackpot.

[Guest/Reporter]

And buzz kill Bake a light.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fucking in your wine tips.

[Adam Curry]

Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

More. I'm getting a hum. I'm getting a hum. I'm getting a dinger.

[Adam Curry]

Dinger, dinger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, this is not good. Good. Something's wrong. Something's wrong.

[Adam Curry]

Something's written coming back from the system that they installed.

[John C. Dvorak]

They need to work on it because they got a 60 cycle Honda won't quit. Come on, guys.

[Adam Curry]

Front. Out front. There a van parked out front?

[John C. Dvorak]

Front, yes, their wi fi right in front. No, no, no. It says FBI van van.

[Adam Curry]

Is there a van.

[John C. Dvorak]

Going into a gray VW bus? Stop it.

[Adam Curry]

I walk in the gym feeling like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Heaven Everybody shouting six, seven don't ask what it means don't need no lesson Just hit the polls and count that blessing 6, 7, 8 we together for the five no questions 6, 7 woo. Crowd jumping in the same direction 6, 7 yeah don't think too hard just connection 6, 7 that's the code, that's the section oh, now TikTok we trend again Mellow stance I'm tall, I can't need stance just need that grin six, seven, chan Let the chaos begin seven.

[Adam Curry]

Say it proud no clue why but.

[John C. Dvorak]

It moves the crow all around if you know, you know that sound.

[Adam Curry]

Slash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Na these two fellas are the best in the business. Yeah, they're doing great. Well done.