1823 - "Battle Rhythm"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1824: “Battle Rhythm”

Date: December 11, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Adam and John embark on their trademark “media deconstruction,” tackling the latest developments in artificial intelligence (AI), social media changes, government surveillance, US military operations, Venezuela’s politics, tech industry lawsuits, and the ongoing Candace Owens–Charlie Kirk–Tucker Carlson right-wing media maelstrom. The duo weave in their trademark banter, skepticism, and humor, deconstructing the narratives behind major news stories while highlighting the absurdities, contradictions, and machinations of the elite.

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Key Topics & Segments

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1. AI Hype, Hysteria & Government Use

Starts: 00:35

• Robot Dog Craze:
  John asks Adam about the surge of AI robot dogs. Adam muses skeptically about online ads and the reality of these products, noting, “every time I see pictures of it, it's a different size. Small, stinky.” (00:47)
• Tech Demos Are Fake:
  The hosts agree most high-profile tech demos are staged or misleading.

  “Every big tech demo ever done in the world is fake.” — John (03:26) “These demos, they are all fake... rarely do them live because of that.” — Adam (03:31)

Government AI Adoption & Battle Rhythm

Starts: 05:25

• John and Adam dissect a “Department of War” (DoD) message touting AI (“GenAI”) for document formatting and research—chiefly Google Gemini.

  “AI should be in your battle rhythm every single day.” — Adam, quoting DoD (08:54)

• They mock AI hype for mundane uses: “We can actually write documents with AI, huh? Well, that's going to be very useful for people who can't read or write coming out of college.” — Adam (08:01)

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2. Instagram’s New Algorithm & Privacy Theater

Starts: 10:18

• The hosts mock Instagram’s “curated feed” as a guise to extract more user data:

  “No, it'll give Instagram and Meta more information about you, you dope.” — John (11:01)

• Adam quips it's just “a spying tool,” to which John adds, “and they're Gonna put it into Palantir, and then they're gonna nuke us all.” (11:19)

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3. AI Dystopian Fears and Media Narratives

Starts: 11:31

ABC/Stephanopoulos Segment with Nate Soares

Starts: 11:54

• The hosts play and critique highlights of an ABC interview with Nate Soares, AI safety advocate and author of “If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies.”

  “If any company or group... builds an artificial superintelligence... everyone, everywhere on Earth will die.” — Stephanopoulos quoting Soares (15:27)

• John lampoons the alarmism, lampooning memes of robots “escaping the lab” and “blackmailing the operators.”
• Adam and John both note the overblown rhetoric and failure to define key terms, with John humorously noting, “the book reads like a Scientology manual.” (18:17)
• They debate Soares’ core claim that future superintelligent AIs will be indifferent to humanity and, like “ants under a skyscraper,” humanity gets crushed (17:51).
• John observes that “all of this super intelligence, super... it's all better, it's faster. All we get is the same dumb lady talking to you.” (19:39)
• The pair dismiss the “danger” and “race” framing as, in Adam’s words, “a violation of the laws of physics... entropy is what happens all the time.” (23:02)

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4. Media, Data Lawsuits, and Silicon Valley’s “Fair Use” Doctrine

Starts: 24:36

• The European Commission is investigating Google for scraping content for AI models without compensation. Adam mentions that he’s joined in on one of the lawsuits due to his many written works.
• John and Adam critique Silicon Valley’s stance: “Their model is you give us everything, we'll give you nothing and we'll take all the money.” (26:35)
• Mustafa Suleiman (Microsoft AI CEO) is quoted defending open-web scraping as “fair use,” which Adam and John ridicule for its hypocrisy and potential legal gray area. (27:01)

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5. US Border Policy — Social Media & Surveillance

Starts: 28:33

• Adam covers the US moving to require social media handles, phone numbers, and family info for most foreign tourists seeking entry:

  “...officers could comb through up to five years of data that people have posted online...” — Adam (29:05)

• John is conflicted between privacy and national security concerns, especially after BBC segments play up the “terrorist” vs “tourist” confusion (31:13).
• Adam rails against hypocritical foreigners who “bitch and moan” about America while doing business here: “my red, white and blue kind of gets activated.” (35:15)
• John concludes, “it's just more chumming in the water to Trump,” doubting it will become policy. (35:40)

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6. Big Boats & US “Piracy” in International Waters

Starts: 36:01

Seizure of Venezuelan Tanker

• Coverage of US seizing an oil tanker “supporting foreign terrorist organizations,” prompting Adam to question, “Iran's an oil-producing country. Why are they importing oil from Venezuela?” (36:47)
• John explains seizure protocols, noting, “this ship was actually implicated for smuggling Iranian oil to benefit the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps under US Criminal authorities.” (41:13)

  “What would happen to the oil?”
  “We keep it, I guess.” — Trump (40:01)

• They discuss the politics and legalities, noting “this is not about the oil, it's about the ship,” and how the US will likely continue such seizures for profit and strategic pressure. (43:28, 44:49)
• John: “It's called piracy, but, you know, it's legal.” (44:49)
• Larger context includes Venezuela politics (Peace Prize for opposition leader Machado, role of drug trade, and US pressure tactics). Adam and John highlight rigged elections and the history of electronic voting concerns linked to Venezuelan software.

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7. Right-Wing Media Drama & Qatar–Tucker–Candace–Charlie

Starts: 68:52

• The hosts dissect the “crazy ex-girlfriend” theory about Candace Owens’ behavior after parting ways with Turning Point USA and Charlie Kirk, observing drama spreading through right-wing media.
• The conversation expands to Tucker Carlson’s rumored financial connections to Qatar, his recent house purchase there, and his naivete in social media battles.
  • Adam: “I have some very wealthy friends. Not a single one ever said, ‘I'm buying a house in Doha because it's such a beautiful ...’” (81:34)
• The segment illustrates the self-referential, chaotic nature of influencer/media conflicts.

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8. Tech & Government: Unitary Executive Theory and FTC Firing

Starts: 84:37

• NPR excerpt unpacks Trump’s firing of an FTC official and the Supreme Court–pending “unitary executive theory” (presidential control over executive agencies).
• Adam: “Well, these agencies are supposed to be under the executive branch, even though they're created by Congress. And so he feels ... they're the boss.” (86:41)

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9. Epstein Grand Jury Files & Underreported Stories

Starts: 87:06

• News that DOJ is ordered to release Epstein files is discussed as “underreported” and likely to embarrass many in power.

  “...what's in this is going to be very embarrassing to a lot of people. The news will not want to report on [it].” — John (88:11)

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10. Wealth Inequality and The Rise of Wealth Taxes

Starts: 119:36

• John and Adam discuss a global report finding 60,000 people own more than half the world’s wealth.

  “A global elite amounting to 0.001% ... is three times wealthier than the bottom 50%.” (120:27)

• NPR covers California’s attempted “billionaires wealth tax.” John notes: “If you want to solve the problem, get rid of central banks. How about that? It's a wealth tax. This is dumb.” (122:51)
• Detailed breakdown of how a billionaire’s net worth is illiquid and the tax would require forced asset sales — “this will never happen.” (125:29)

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11. Miscellaneous Banter, Clippings, & Cultural Notes

• Adam and John riff on font politics (Rubio switching State Dept. back to Times New Roman, 95:20), small/“tiny” cars for the US market, potash and Canadian fertilizer tariffs, and farming industry bailouts.
• They discuss dynamic pricing complaints against Instacart (114:05), and Adam mocks those who don’t shop for themselves.
• Mental health segment on “solastalgia” (distress from environmental changes) and reflections on climate change communication (163:12).
• They revisit the infamous “chemicals in the water turning the frogs gay” story, tracing it back to coverage on Amy Goodman’s show a decade ago.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Fake Tech Demos:
  “Every big tech demo ever done in the world is fake.” — John (03:26)

• On AI Document Formatting:
  “By mastering this tool, we will outpace our adversaries in document formatting.” — John (09:09, paraphrasing DoD email)

• AI Fear-Mongering:
  “If any company... builds an artificial superintelligence… everyone everywhere on Earth will die.” — Stephanopoulos reading from Soares’ book (15:27)

• Tech Cynicism:
  “All we get is the same dumb lady talking to you. What else can I do for you today?” — John mocking AI assistants (19:39)

• Instagram's Faux Control:
  “No, it'll give Instagram and Meta more information about you, you dope.” — John (11:01)

• On US Military's Oil Seizure:
  “It's called piracy, but, you know, it's legal.” — Adam (44:49)

• On Wealth Taxes:
  “If you want to solve the problem, get rid of central banks.” — John (122:51)

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• [03:26] – The fakery of tech demos
• [08:54] – "AI should be in your battle rhythm"
• [10:17] – Instagram’s new “curation” tool and privacy
• [15:03] – AI apocalypse warnings from Nate Soares on ABC
• [24:36] – European Commission’s probe against Google over AI content
• [28:33] – US plans invasive surveillance for ESTA/visa-free tourists
• [36:01/41:13] – US seizes Venezuelan oil tanker: legal and political context
• [68:52] – Candace Owens/Charlie Kirk/Tucker Carlson drama peaks
• [84:37] – Trump targets the FTC and the “unitary executive theory"
• [87:06] – DOJ Epstein files to be released: why the press ignores
• [119:36] – Super-elite wealth; growing push for wealth taxes
• [129:37] – Value for value explanation & producer credits

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain their classic irreverent, conspiratorial, and deeply skeptical tone. Banter and wordplay are interspersed with dense analysis, ridicule of politicians and media, and jabs at social and tech elites. Both demonstrate a penchant for long-form, discursive riffing and audience in-jokes (e.g., “battle rhythm,” “shut up slave,” “de-douching,” etc), creating a clubby, insidery feel for regular listeners.

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Recommended Listening Segments

• AI “Superintelligence” Panic Play-by-Play – [11:54 – 22:27]
• Big Boat Seizure, Piracy, & Venezuela Politics – [36:01 – 57:20]
• Right-Wing Media Meltdown: Candace, Charlie, & Tucker – [68:52 – 81:34]
• Government Surveillance & Social Media – [28:33 – 35:40]
• No Agenda Philosophy: Value-for-Value – [129:37 – 132:05]

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Conclusion

This episode offers a wide-ranging, trademark No Agenda take, cutting ruthlessly through mainstream narratives on tech, AI, defense, and politics with sharp wit, layered references, deep skepticism, and a dose of contrarian wisdom. For new listeners, it’s a whirlwind tour of the pod’s recurring themes: media fakery, elite gamesmanship, and the comedic tragedy of government and corporate “solutions.”

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

And it's. It's often quite good. Adam Curry, John c. Dvorak Thursday, December.

[John C. Dvorak]

12, 2025 this is your award winning Kilo Nation media assassination episode 1824.

[Adam Curry]

This is no Agenda seizing big boats.

[John C. Dvorak]

And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we're tired of all these AI robot dogs, I'm John C. Dvor. In the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

What AI robot dogs are you referring.

[Adam Curry]

Oh man, they're all over the place.

[John C. Dvorak]

In Berkeley just running around.

[Adam Curry]

AI robot dogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where are they? On TikTok on YouTube.

[Adam Curry]

Go on Amazon and just look up AI robot dog and you'll see all the ones available for sale. I watched a whole ad for one called Wuffy, which I don't even believe is a real. Real soul is. I don't even believe this is a real product because every time I see pictures of. It's a different size. Small, stinky.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this.

[Adam Curry]

Something. Something's up.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a throwback to Aibo. That's what this is. Wow, 959 bucks.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, there's $51. We're talking about the cheapies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but. But if you're going to get a robot dog, get a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you don't know that that's any better than a $49 dog.

[John C. Dvorak]

A puppy pie. Puppy pie. Robot dog with Chad GPT. Large AI models. Intelligence ros. Robotic dog vision. Science Voice understanding. Slam mapping. Navigation. Bionic Quadruped robot Standard kit with raspberry PI, 54 gigabyte. Hey now. Yeah. Did you see the video of one of Elon's robots? The Optimus PI. Optimus PI. Optimus.

[Adam Curry]

Optimus PI. Can I say something first?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I think when you announced the show, you said it was the 12th. It's actually the 11th.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought I said the 11th. Did I say the 12th?

[Adam Curry]

I think you did. That's the only reason I noticed this, because I just feel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it clearly says 11th on my cheat sheets. On my script that you sent me to read like you always do. Read this.

[Adam Curry]

I always send you a very elaborate script which you rarely read.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, well, I read it.

[Adam Curry]

I just read it. You always go off script. You're always wondering. It makes it very difficult to do the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. So there was a Tesla Optimus and it was showing off how it was, I don't know, handing out glasses and doing drinks and stuff. And then all of a sudden you see it reach to its Head with one hand on each ear, and then make a motion like it's taking its headset off, which, of course, it doesn't have, and then it falls backward, completely disabled.

[Adam Curry]

Meaning it takes its head off?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, it. Like it's headset. So really the implication here is that this thing is being operated by someone else who accidentally didn't know that they were live on. The robot took their headset off, and the robot disconnects and falls backwards.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, these things, you know, this goes back historically to every technology.

[John C. Dvorak]

Every big tech demo ever done in the world is fake.

[Adam Curry]

People have to realize this. You see, these demos, they are all fake. Once in a while, somebody tries to do one live, and it's always, without fail, screws up. So they don't do them, rarely do them live because of that. It's like the one with Steve Jobs. He did something live once and. And put you on the air accidentally, and you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no. Hold on, hold on. That was. That was not an accident. What Steve Jobs did with my podcast was on purpose. He knew exactly what he was doing.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, then this was rigged. That was rigged, too. Whatever the case.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

These things. I can go back and there's demos of these machines they used to bring in. You're talking about the 1980s. It was 40 years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

They would bring a machine out, it would do all this stuff. They have a big screen. It would be doing this and that, and it was rigged to some Unix system down the street. It wasn't even anything close to being realistic. Demos are all phony.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, pretty much all of them are. Well, I see this all the time in the AI demos, like Google's day and all these other things. And like. Oh, well, it'll work better in the product. We're rolling out on Monday. Don't worry, we'll fix that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

None of this. None of this works.

[Adam Curry]

Tomorrow to be fine.

[John C. Dvorak]

None of this works. I have one of my streaming stations I had in the prompt very clearly up to and including, but not after December 6th, mentioned this Christmas concert, and of course, December 7th. Oh, make sure you catch the Christmas concert on December 6th after it just said it was December 7th, because there's no intelligence in these things. So A, it makes the mistake of not following my direction, and B, it's not smart enough to figure out that it makes no sense. And that's Gemini. Gemini, Gemini, Gemini, Gemini. So good.

[Adam Curry]

Gemini's supposed to be one of the more gentle ones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you heard about the Gemini. Didn't You.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't follow it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here, I got the Gemini for you. Here is your Secretary of War.

[Adam Curry]

The future of American warfare is here, and it's spelled AI. Where as technologies.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's spelled A. I. So I think it's warfare like a. Like Vanity Fair warfare. Maybe it's spelled AI.

[Adam Curry]

The future of American warfare is here, and it's spelled AI. As technologies advance, so do our adversaries. But here at the War Department, we are not sitting idly by. Under the leadership of President Trump, America will lead the charge on this technological transformation by revolutionizing the way we win. And that's why today, we are unleashing Genai. This platform puts the world's most powerful frontier AI models, starting with Google Gemini directly into the hands of every American warrior at the click of a button. AI models on Gen AI can be utilized to conduct deep research, format documents, and even analyze video or imagery at unprecedented speed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa. It can format documents.

[Adam Curry]

Building on the great work of Under Secretary Emil Michael and his team, we will continue to aggressively field the world's best technology to make our fighting force more lethal than ever before. And all of it is American made.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hands up, Chinaman. I'm formatting a document.

[Adam Curry]

The possibilities with AI are endless. Now let's get to work. Hold on a second. Stop it. Ooh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh. Did you hear that?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's got a little. He's got. Listen to the end. He's got a little Department of War sound effect.

[Adam Curry]

The possibilities with AI are endless. Now let's get to work. Ooh, I gotta use a bomb going off. A bomb went off.

[John C. Dvorak]

I gotta use this. Nice.

[Adam Curry]

This is too subtle. Genai. I can't get to it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it'll say that you're. If you go to Genai Mil, it'll say that you're not on a Dow network.

[Adam Curry]

Doesn't even do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it did it for me. So I got the email from everybody from the Secretary of War, which was kind of the same, but he says the first gen AI platform capability is Google Gemini, a frontier AI application that can help you write documents. Wow. We're winning. Ask questions.

[Adam Curry]

We can actually write documents with AI, huh? Well, that's going to be very useful for people who can't read or write coming out of. Of college.

[John C. Dvorak]

Conduct deep research format content.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

And unlock new possibilities across your daily workflows. Gemini is the first of several enterprise AI applications that will be rolled out on the Gen AI platform. It is secure, certified up to impact level 5. So if a bomb hits and is fully authorized to handle cui. Whatever Confidential. Something. I expect every member of the War Department to log in, learn it, and incorporate it into your workflows immediately. AI should be in your battle rhythm every single day. Battle rhythm.

[Adam Curry]

The what? Battle rhythm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Should be in your battle rhythm every single day.

[Adam Curry]

Like when you're dancing, you're dancing around at the DOD and the.

[John C. Dvorak]

It should be your.

[Adam Curry]

Gemini's keeping the beat. What does this mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

It should be your teammate. By mastering this tool, we will outpace our adversaries in document formatting. The power.

[Adam Curry]

Well, in creating a wealth of paperwork, long, lengthy memos that could have been shortened by somebody who actually knows how to write.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here is. This is from our insider. Here's the email from Pete Hegseth that went out to everyone this morning about their Google Gemini AI called Genai Mil. It crashed as soon as everyone noticed the icon. After this happened. Was forced on. Oh, after this. Was forced onto everyone's devices this morning. Oh, no. I'm not teaching our customers how to use this when they can't get the basics of teams and SharePoint down. Overall, this was a complete failure on the Department of War. End of turning this on. Yeah, that's right. Of course not. Now people get confused even by the new. You know, I heard several people, oh, Instagram changed everything. I don't know how to use it anymore.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Instagram changed everything. It's horrible.

[Adam Curry]

Instagram is rolling out a new feature.

[John C. Dvorak]

Designed to give users more say on what they see in the app. And Good Morning America got an exclusive first look. Your algorithm lets you curate what you.

[Adam Curry]

See in your feed, starting with reels.

[John C. Dvorak]

Curate. It lets you cure. Curate. Not curate. Cure.

[Adam Curry]

Curate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your algorithm lets you curate what you.

[Adam Curry]

See in your feed, starting with reels.

[John C. Dvorak]

Starting today, users will see a new icon in the top right corner. Clicking it will take you to a.

[Adam Curry]

Dashboard of your top interests based on.

[John C. Dvorak]

What you engage with most. From there, you can tell the app.

[Adam Curry]

Which topics you want to see more of and which you want to see less of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Instagram says this will give users the.

[Adam Curry]

Power to take action in real time.

[John C. Dvorak]

To improve their overall experience.

[Adam Curry]

Experience in the app.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it'll give Instagram and Meta more information about you, you dope.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because they're gonna. You. They're gonna give you what they think you're gonna like anyway. Yeah, but they want to see what you think you like so they can add that to the profile.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're exactly right. It's just a spying tool.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're Gonna put it into Palantir, and then they're gonna nuke us all. It's always Palantir. You just have to always say Palantir.

[Adam Curry]

Black helicopter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. That's hilarious. You want to stick with AI because there was a great AI interview with Stephanopoulos.

[Adam Curry]

I'm glad to see. Yeah, I think we can do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Because there's other stuff going on, but.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, we'll get to the other stuff, but we might as well do this.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. The guy's name is Nate Suarez, I think.

[Adam Curry]

Soares Suarez or Soros. What's S o r e?

[John C. Dvorak]

S o A R e S?

[Adam Curry]

I think it's Soros.

[John C. Dvorak]

Soros. I think he is the president of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute.

[Adam Curry]

Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which you and I could have come up with.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a nonprofit research institute focused on ensuring the development of safe and beneficial artificial intelligence. Yeah. Okay, here we. He was on the ABCs.

[Adam Curry]

Just over three years since the launch of ChatGPT stunned the world and catapulted artificial intelligence into the mainstream.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love this. I'm already completely jacked up and excited about what's about to happen.

[Adam Curry]

AI revolution.

[John C. Dvorak]

Artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence or AI.

[Adam Curry]

That technological revolution now sparking a growing divide.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounding the alarm.

[Adam Curry]

Sometime in the next 20 years, these things will get smarter than us.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we really need to worry about what happens then.

[Adam Curry]

And others touting AI's potential.

[John C. Dvorak]

The best case scenario is that AI.

[Adam Curry]

Diffuses into everything that we do. Everything's more efficient. But as artificial intelligence gets smarter by the day. The federal government has struggled to keep up in the last few months.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean? We can format documents. Hello. We're not struggling. We're. It's in our battle rhythm, pal. Yeah. We're. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Welcoming tech luminaries to the White House and setting ambitious AI goals. America is the country that started the AI race. America is going to win it. Trump rolling back Biden era AI regulations and installing entrepreneur and tech investor David Sachs as his AI and cryptocurrencies are. It's really the job of government to enable the private sector and get the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Red tape out of the way.

[Adam Curry]

And the President pressuring Republicans in Congress to pass legislation prohibiting states and local governments from regulating artificial intelligence.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought he already did that. I thought that was in the one big, beautiful, dynamic, fantastic, amazing bill.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. In any way.

[Adam Curry]

Warning over regulation is threatening to undermine this growth engine. A flurry of bills have been proposed, but not a single piece of notable AI regulation has ever cleared the House or Senate, despite some members expressing mounting concerns.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I get hired if I can talk like this on abc? Because it's just so incredibly engaging.

[Adam Curry]

A super intelligent AI could replace human.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beings in controlling.

[Adam Curry]

The planet. AI companies stress while risks for the technology exist, they say the potential benefits are nearly limitless and that they're constantly improving their algorithms to improve interactions. Meanwhile, Congress seems stymied. The theory is if you regulate it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You slow it down. If you don't regulate it, you have people that could get hurt.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they're gonna get hurt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this guy who's with Stephanopoulos is a real piece of work. You're gonna love him.

[Adam Curry]

Thanks to Jay for that. We're joined now by Nate Soares, co author of the new book, if Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies. Why Superhuman AI Would Kill Us All.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, great title, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

That.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's.

[Adam Curry]

It's a great title. That's the price of admission right there.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, it should have had a. An endorsement. You know, read this book. John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Thank you for joining us. I definitely plug that book.

[John C. Dvorak]

Morning.

[Adam Curry]

I want to start out with a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Summary of your thesis that you write in your book. And I put it up on the screen. Yes. If any company or group anywhere on.

[Adam Curry]

The planet builds an artificial superintelligence using.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anything remotely like current techniques based on anything remotely like the present understanding of.

[Adam Curry]

AI, then everyone, everywhere on Earth will die. That is about as stark a warning as you can possibly get. Can you spell it out for us and tell us why you believe that?

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I wish it was fiction, but the way that we make AIs.

[Adam Curry]

Today is more like growing an organism.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like this. We should start using it. AIs don't just say AI, but AIs like they're a thing. Like they're living, breathing thing. AIs. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think the reason for the pluralist, because he's referring to the different versions of the pros.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, no, I understand. But you could say large language models, you can say, but he's saying AIs like they're an entity. It's just, it's. It's subtle.

[Adam Curry]

We're all gonna die. Thanks to Jay for that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry, let me get back to our guy here. Here he is. Oh, I wish it was fiction, but the, the way that we make AIs.

[Adam Curry]

Today is more like growing an organism than it is like carefully crafting a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Piece of traditional software. The AIs we make, they have the very beginnings. Now of goals or objectives, or so it seems. We don't really know what's going on inside them. They have the very beginnings of goals.

[Adam Curry]

And objectives that we didn't try to give them.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have emergent behavior that their operators never intended. Oh, yeah, listen to his examples in lab scenarios. We've already seen them sometimes try to.

[Adam Curry]

Escape the lab or blackmail the operators.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, the old blackmail bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

Stories designed to get attention. And this guy, if he buys, buys that, then he's no good. But he's a classic examp example of somebody who's suckered by the memes.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he's on ABC with Stephanopoulos, and we're doing a podcast, so, you know.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's getting attention, obviously.

[John C. Dvorak]

Read this book. Read this book.

[Adam Curry]

Read this book.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're too dumb right now for that to work. But if we keep rushing to make AIs that are smarter and smarter to the point where these sorts of things.

[Adam Curry]

Succeed, then the most likely outcome is.

[John C. Dvorak]

They become much more powerful than us. They pursue goals nobody intended, nobody wanted. And the most likely outcome of that.

[Adam Curry]

Is that we die, not because the AIs hate us, but because they are utterly indifferent.

[John C. Dvorak]

It would be sort of like ants under a skyscraper. We'll be like ants under a skyscraper, crushed by the AIs. And of course, Stephanopoulos is all in on it.

[Adam Curry]

As you know, many of your critics have said this is more like science fiction than science. One of the problems with Stephen Marsh.

[John C. Dvorak]

For example, in the New York Times, pointed out, is you haven't fully defined.

[Adam Curry]

Your terms like intelligence or superintelligence.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says the book reads like a Scientology manual.

[Adam Curry]

So why don't you start out by defining that artificial superintelligence that you're so worried about?

[John C. Dvorak]

Now listen to this, because the guy totally slammed Stephanopoulos. Yeah, we do actually define the terms in the book. If he had read. I think it's in chapter one. Thanks for interviewing me, you douche. It's in the book. It's chapter one. But okay.

[Adam Curry]

Why would he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, the. We define artificial superintelligence as an AI.

[Adam Curry]

That is better than the best humans at every mental task.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that means better than President Trump because he's the best human. He had an MRI, ACEs all the tests.

[Adam Curry]

So everything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everything. There's not the sort of AI we have today, but the AIs of today.

[Adam Curry]

Many people's only experience with AI is ChatGPT. The.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just as crappy as all of the other ones. People have been in the field of.

[Adam Curry]

AI Understand that the field of AI is a moving target, that sometimes people come up with insights, come up with.

[John C. Dvorak]

New ways of doing AI that unlock.

[Adam Curry]

Whole new domains of AI like ChatGPT.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the large language models of today.

[Adam Curry]

One of the big questions is what.

[John C. Dvorak]

Happens when there's new insights? What happens when there's new breakthroughs?

[Adam Curry]

These companies are rushing to make AIs.

[John C. Dvorak]

That are smarter than every human. And once we get these super intelligent.

[Adam Curry]

AIs, I think the most likely outcome.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that they don't do exactly as the humans say. Dude, this is so what I kind of like about it is he's saying they're dumb because they are. You know, all of this super intelligence, super. Oh, the grock. 5.9chat GPT 2.000 oh, it's all better, it's faster. All we get is the same dumb lady talking to you. What else can I do for you today?

[Adam Curry]

And, and, and I know you say you're agnostic on exactly how the extinction would happen, but just lay out one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Possibility, lay out a pot, lay scenarios or can write the movie. You know, the one easy way for an AI to take out humanity would be a virus. A virus. Take us out with a virus.

[Adam Curry]

How's it going to do that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he'll explain. As you say. I'm not, I'm not sure exactly how it would happen.

[Adam Curry]

It's a little bit like trying to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Predict a football game between an NFL.

[Adam Curry]

Team and a high school team. It's hard to predict the plays, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Easy to predict the winner.

[Adam Curry]

The sort of real question here is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something like what will the AIs be pursuing? Will they do exactly what the operators say? And we're already seeing the very beginnings of evidence that the answer is no. Just like theory has predicted for years. Do you see any evidence that anyone is doing anything to control this? A lot of the optimists about AI say that you can calibrate the systems internally. We're all going to die. People are trying to control these AIs the. Yeah, to get them to do something.

[Adam Curry]

Useful besides formatted document.

[John C. Dvorak]

The type of work that people tend to do tends to fall into evaluation metrics. Trying to see how dangerous the AIs currently are. Dangerous. And interpretability research which is trying to understand what is going on inside the AIs with any other technology, like with a nuclear reactor.

[Adam Curry]

If you ask people how do you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Know you're going to be able to.

[Adam Curry]

Make this not melt down?

[John C. Dvorak]

And they said, well, we have two teams. One who is trying to Figure out what's going on inside there.

[Adam Curry]

And another saying, we're measuring whether it's currently exploding.

[John C. Dvorak]

You might not be very confident that.

[Adam Curry]

These people are on track to do the job properly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, brother. We're all going to be.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that was a bad analogy.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a horrible analogy. I got 30 seconds left from this jamoke.

[Adam Curry]

How much time do we have?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. We're all gonna die. How much time do we have? How much time do we have? How much time do we have? Uh huh. You know, the timing is very hard to call.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Wait a minute. He could pick the football winner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, easily. He knows. He knows who's gonna win. Could be that next year the AIs will still be pretty dumb, but they'll be just barely smart enough to make smarter AIs that make smarter AIs that make smarter AI's. Okay? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, please. We're not gonna get into that.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the opposite of entropy, okay? And then things could go very quickly. It could be that it takes 10 years.

[Adam Curry]

It could.

[John C. Dvorak]

The current AIs 10 years stay kind of dumb. And it takes 10 years to have some new breakthrough that unlocks new AIs like last breakthroughs. Like previous breakthroughs.

[Adam Curry]

Unlock. ChatGPT.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mr. Suarez, thanks very much for your time this morning.

[Adam Curry]

We're all going to die. You actually kind of nailed it with that one little comment, which is it's a violation of the laws of physics. The entropy is what happens all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. It's not like it's only going to get worse. AI will make a worse AI, not a better AI.

[Adam Curry]

It's always going to deteriorate like everything else.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they're going against the very laws of nature. Mr. Beal, none of this works.

[Adam Curry]

There's a reference nobody gets.

[John C. Dvorak]

A few will get it.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, and we never explain it, by the way, we're never going to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, we even have an end of show mix we've played from it. Mr. Beal. I'm sure we have. Let me see Beal. No, maybe not.

[Adam Curry]

I can't. I'm looking at my clip list. This is terrible. I have a bunch of clips called Untitled. This was not a. I saw that.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I was like, what is John doing? He doesn't want me to see the.

[Adam Curry]

Titles because I have to go review that kind of on the sly here to see what that really was. And then I have climate spelled vlimate. That is going to keep you busy for hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you know what it is? It's. I love it. I love it if I didn't have that, I think the AIs had taken over you. So now at least I know.

[Adam Curry]

I mean I usually go back and try to fix the spelling errors on these, on these clip names. Like I got Iceland, I C E K A N D for Iceland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meanwhile, just sticking with AI short little.

[Adam Curry]

Notice, the European Commission launched a probe into Google over its use of online content to power its AI services. The investigation will examine whether Google use web publishers content to provide generative AI services on its search result pages without appropriate compensation and without giving them the option to refuse. It will also assess whether videos uploaded on YouTube are used to train Google's generative AI models. According to the tech giant, the complaint could hinder innovation in a market that is more competitive than ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you bet it will. These lawsuits are coming fast and furious.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm part of one of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. Yeah. Thanks to Rob, our constitutional lawyer. He hooks you up, right? Told you where to go?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, we got in on that. And then we have to fill another series of forms yet. I have 27 book titles in my name, believe it or not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, that's a lot.

[Adam Curry]

I know. It should be listed. Somebody should list those on the Wikipedia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's see if it's in Grokopedia.

[Adam Curry]

And it won't be. It has to be listed somewhere as a whole. We haven't done that so. And they want. It's like it would be $3,000 a book if they can. If there's any connection. I think probably at least half of them. But the thing is, of course I'm going to need the money with the kind of donations we're getting for this show. Just thought I'd throw that in.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're going to wind up with 75 bucks.

[Adam Curry]

No, usually a buck 50. I mean it's just that these class action suits are new, but they're claiming. But I'm sure there'll be other suits coming up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I mean, yeah, it's a winner for anyone who has any kind of. Well, if you have. If you're a big copyright owner. The music business is just getting started. But just as a reminder, Silicon Valley doesn't think about that. Their model is you give us everything, we'll give you nothing and we'll take all the money.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's a good model if you're on that side of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a great model. Just to remind everybody, here's the Microsoft CEO of AI, Mustafa Suleiman, with respect to content that is already on the open Web. The social contract of that content since the 90s has been that it is fair use. Anyone can copy it, recreate with it, reproduce with it.

[Adam Curry]

That has been freeware, if you like.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's been the understanding.

[Adam Curry]

There's a separate category where a website.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or a publisher or a news organization had explicitly said, do not scrape or crawl me for any other reason than indexing me so that other people can find that content. That's a gray area and I think it's going to work its way through the courts. So if I find a Microsoft Windows 12 on the web, it's okay for me to download that and use it, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. Everyone understands that. It's fair use.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's unwritten, just unwritten understanding everything. If you said don't scrape me, that's a gray area. Gray.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I didn't see anything on the Windows download that said don't download me. Didn't say that.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. I think the best though. And then we'll wrap up technology.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. By the way, that commentary is a more. That guy should be. Should be fired.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure he's still there.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm sure he is.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that, I mean, he's an idiot. I'm sure he got in. Someone said, you're an idiot. Why'd you say that? But he's like, isn't it true?

[Adam Curry]

Isn't it true?

[John C. Dvorak]

Those people believe that.

[Adam Curry]

He probably thinks it's true. I mean, you can get to the point in these situations where you start believing your own public relations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that happened with Windows 95. They were. That's when they started believing their own PR. Here is the latest though, which I thought was kind of interesting. Semi related to technology and immigration and visitors.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the U.S. customs and Border Protection has proposed this major expansion of the information required for an ESTA application, which is used by tourists from those visa waiver program countries. That means countries where travelers can stay in the US up to 90 days without needing to get a visa. Now, for the last few years, there's been an option to include your social media handles on those applications. But under this proposed change, which still has not gone into law yet, that would now become mandatory and people's profiles would have to be made public as well, meaning that officers could comb through.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up to five years of data that.

[Adam Curry]

People have posted online. They're also going to be asking in this application for phone numbers and email addresses used within the last five years, as well as names, dates of birth, places of birth, residences and telephone numbers of immediate family members. As well, now the process will also move away from the website that CBP.

[John C. Dvorak]

Has and move to a mobile app.

[Adam Curry]

Which will mean that features like passport, chip verification and mandatory live selfie check and facial recognition will all now be able to be used as well. It's worth noting, though, that these changes are already in effect for anyone looking to get an immigrant class visa to.

[John C. Dvorak]

The US or anyone coming here on.

[Adam Curry]

A work or study visa. But this marks a noted shift from the administration, with regular tourists from typically allied nations now coming under increased scrutiny. According to one immigration law office, the kind of things that officials are looking for include expressions of hostility towards the US Government, comments interpreted as support for extremist groups, online affiliations with flagged organizations, as well as inconsistencies between online content and submitted application materials. But really, the scope for what is considered against US Interests is what is concerning some groups.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, I have conflicting thoughts about this.

[Adam Curry]

I want to follow up that clip with some clips and then can you bring in your thoughts then? Okay, I'm sure I want you to play this clip so you can hear the word terrorist. The clip is terrorist.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't see the clip. Terrorist. Did you read. Oh, there it is. Yeah, I got it. Terrorist. What was that? Terrorist.

[Adam Curry]

Terrorist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Terrorist. Terrorist. Tourist. Tourist. Sounds like terrorists.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, you say you're hearing tourists because I heard this clip from the BBC and the first thing I thought was tourist or terrorist, not tourists. But okay, let's go at tourist proposal. BBC. This is their coverage of the same topic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tourists from dozens of countries seeking to visit the United States could be asked to provide a five year social media history as a condition of entry. The proposal would affect people who are eligible to visit without a visa under the ESTA scheme. Tom Bateman reports from Washington. Under the new proposals, it would become mandatory for applicants to supply details of social media accounts used in the last five years, as well as, when feasible, say officials, phone numbers, email addresses and names of family members, as well as other details. The changes are still only proposals put out for consultation by the Department of Homeland Security, but are intended to fulfill the Trump administration's demands for far more stringent border and immigration procedures. Okay, tourists.

[Adam Curry]

And here's the second, the longer version is this one where he says terrorist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Terrorists from dozens of countries. See, he's saying terrorists. Tourists from dozens of countries, I think. Is he saying Tourette's? Maybe Tourette's. Tourette's. Tourists from dozens of countries worldwide, including Britain, Australia and Japan, could be required to hand over five years worth of their social media history. Before traveling to the United States. Under a new proposal from American officials, the rule would apply to visitors from nations that can currently enter the US for up to 90 days without a visa. The plans were outlined in a document filed by U.S. customs and Border Protection. Our U.S. state Department correspondent, Tom Bateman has more. It all stems from an executive order that was signed by Donald Trump the day he came into office on 20 January, which is all about basically the administration's desire to radically strengthen border and immigration procedures. And I'd say that's sort of been injected with more vigour by Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State. And we've seen really a sort of a process of certain visa types being identified and then far more stringent procedures coming in, including in many cases, this real focus on social media accounts and having, you know, the requirement to put down your social media account names for the last five years and to keep those accounts open. Or it says if the accounts are put on private mode or closed, that will count against you. So here's where I'm conflicted. On one hand, I'm like, well, people should be able to say whatever they want to say. You know, who cares? Whatever, just be quiet, just do your thing. This is almost bordering on thought crime, so I can see that side of it. But on the other hand, there are two in particular, two Brits, one who lives in the uk, one who lives in Australia, who are part of the podcasting 2.0 group. And I like them. I've never had dinner at their house, but I'd say we're friends. But both of them are always posting snide remarks like, sadly, in Trump's America, brown skinned immigrants are said not to add any value. But all of their business, all of their business is in the United States. They come to conferences here, they're selling, their market is here. And whenever I say, and all I.

[Adam Curry]

Do is bitch and moan and like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if America would do their job with section 230 and just remove it, we wouldn't have these problems. I'm like, well, why don't you?

[Adam Curry]

Is that the same guy with that voice?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all the same person. Stay home, you blimey. You know, so I'm also, and, and.

[Adam Curry]

I, I think it'd be you, limey, not you, blimey, what did I say? Blimey, blimey.

[John C. Dvorak]

You said you blimey, it's December 12th. Blimey, December 12th, blimey. You know, and so on that. I'm like, well, shut up then. Don't come here. Don't be looking for venture capital here. Don't be doing any of that, you know, so my, my red, white and blue kind of gets activated.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you get, you get riled up by these, by these foreigners bitching and moaning about the United States. Pay the bills.

[John C. Dvorak]

The terrorists, Terrorists, all of them.

[Adam Curry]

Terrorists.

[John C. Dvorak]

So how do you feel about it?

[Adam Curry]

I think it's gonna go nowhere. It's too complicated. It's too difficult to do. It's bull crap. It's just bull crap. It's just more chumming in the water to Trump. Oh, let's do this and see what happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's chumming in the water. You're probably right. I just, I fell for it. Hook, line and sinker. I fell for it.

[Adam Curry]

All right, speaking of you and everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Else, speaking of hook, line, and sinker, let's talk about the big boat, the big beautiful boat that we, we seized. Do you have any clips on that?

[Adam Curry]

I do, as a matter of fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't you kick it off?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you caught me off flat footed because I have to now look at this ridiculously long list of untitled clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Untitled clips.

[Adam Curry]

To figure out what clip it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see. I can probably figure it out. Oil tanker. Oil tanker. Bs.

[Adam Curry]

You think oil tanker would be it? Yes, Maybe just the. The Trump administration says the US has.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seized a tanker off the coast of Venezuela. Attorney General Pam Bondi posted on social.

[Adam Curry]

Media that the U.S. executed a seizure warrant because the tanker was transporting sanctioned.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oil from Venezuela to Iran. Bondi says the tanker is part of.

[Adam Curry]

An illegal oil shipping network supporting foreign terrorist organizations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Terrorists. Terrorists or tourists.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, that clip immediately brought to mind a simple question, which. And I could get this clip from 10 sources and they all avoid the simple question. Iran's an oil producing country. Why are they importing oil from Venezuela for that? They don't need it. They're in excess. They're making more oil than they can use. So why are they importing it, I ask you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this was. This. I'm not sure exactly. The whole thing is. You know, first of all, I'm thinking, like, how does this even work? They just grab ships.

[Adam Curry]

They dropped a chopper down on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was pretty cool that we almost. I mean, I have to say, though, the Houthis did a better helicopter ship seizing video. These guys, you know. Yeah, they had them rappelling down onto the deck. Remember the Houthis?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the phony Bellevo. That was AI. That was great.

[John C. Dvorak]

That, that, I mean, use your.

[Adam Curry]

It was pretty exciting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Use your geni. Mil to. To. To sex these up a little bit, Hegseth. But interestingly enough, there was on CNN our boy Anderson Pooper, who had. Well, first of all, here's the story. And then he had an analyst on who I thought was quite good and enlightening.

[Adam Curry]

We begin tonight with new video of the Trump administration's latest move against Venezuela. Attorney General Pam Bondi put it out this evening shows American forces boarding an oil tanker coming down lines from hovering channels, choppers making their way to the bridge and seizing control of the vessel. Quoting from the attorney General social media post. Today, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Homeland Security Investigations and the US Coast Guard with support from the Department of War, executed a seizure warrant for a crude oil tanker used to transport sanctioned oil from Venezuela and Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Iran, not Iran.

[Adam Curry]

That's a different way of put. The story goes differently. Yes, this tanker is okay, this tanker is filled with oil from Venezuela and sometimes Iran. So this tanker is a rogue tanker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out there moving oil. Yes, it's the tanker. It's not necessarily where the oil is from. It's the fact that it's a rogue tanker. And remember, there's a new sheriff in town. Everybody, Western hemisphere. That's in our strategic defense document. We are in charge of this.

[Adam Curry]

A senior US Official tells me, I hope that they do explain if it's just a rogue tanker moving oil around where it's going to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's a lot of explanation, actually. Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Well, then you play I'm going to stop official tell CNN it had Venezuelan crude on board, was sailing in international waters and no one was injured in the boarding operation. Now, the video came out just a short time after this from the president setting the stage. As you probably know, we've just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela that was big, large, very large. Largest ever. Biggest ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Largest ever.

[Adam Curry]

And other things are happening. So you'll be seeing that later and you'll be talking about that later with some other people. He said the tanker was seized, quote.

[John C. Dvorak]

For very good reason.

[Adam Curry]

And when asked what would happen to.

[John C. Dvorak]

The oil, he replied, we keep it, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Late today, the Venezuelan government called the seizure, quote, act of international piracy, calling it a deliberate plan to plunder our energy resources.

[John C. Dvorak]

Venezuela's leader, Nicolas Maduro, also weighed in shortly before the president announced the operation.

[Adam Curry]

Our message to the people of the United States remains the same. Peace, peace above all else. No to crazy war. No to bloodshed for oil. No to war for oil. The recipe for eternal wars.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's not going to be any War. And he brought on an analyst who I think Pooper was even disappointed. Like, oh, really? Oh, crap.

[Adam Curry]

Joining us now, CNN Global affairs analyst Brett McGurk. Brett, what stands out to you about this? How this tanker was seized?

[John C. Dvorak]

What's interesting about this, Anderson? And look, I agree with Adam Smith. The administration owes transparency on what is going on in Venezuela. We have a quarter of our naval.

[Adam Curry]

Deployed assets off the coast.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have carrier strike groups, amphibious assault ships.

[Adam Curry]

But this action, from what I can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tell, is actually kind of by the book. By the book. This ship, Anderson, was actually sanctioned by.

[Adam Curry]

The Treasury Department in 2022.

[John C. Dvorak]

So in the Biden administration, there was a warrant issued by a federal court about two weeks ago for civil forfeiture action.

[Adam Curry]

And when that happensand this happened in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Biden administration, I was a part of some of these. The Justice Departmentor out of intelligence, you might be able to find the ship.

[Adam Curry]

Ship. The Justice Department will say, can we seize this ship?

[John C. Dvorak]

Is there a way to do it? There might be foreign policy implications, but we've done this in the past. And this ship was actually implicated for smuggling Iranian oil to benefit the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps under US Criminal authorities. So if that's what happened here, this is actually not totally out of the ordinary. And I would not categorize this the same as the kinetic strikes against the narco boats, which is very novel and raises serious questions. So it's the ship. It's not about the oil, it's about the ship. And it seems like there's a lot of them.

[Adam Curry]

So you don't think this is part.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of, you don't think Trump is horrible? Like he's a horrible orange man doing things and taking us into war, like my friend Dave Smith says.

[Adam Curry]

So you don't think this is part of a larger US Pressure campaign on Maduro? Or is that, could it be both?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it could be both, I think. Definitely. Look, from what I can see, we're kind of in unprecedented territory, so it can be both. But the authorities used today were congressionally mandated authorities. This ship was sanctioned under Iranian related authorities. There was a warrant by US Federal court. So this seems to have been done as you would want something like this to be done legally with authorization from independent branches of government, in this case the judicial branch. Again, we've done this. We've, we did one in 2023, a ship called the Suez Rajan. We seized the oil, was then forfeited by a US Federal court. It becomes property of the US Government. That seems to be what's happening here. Now, I would want to see over the coming days and weeks, are we seizing every ship that comes out of Venezuela under other authorities or questionable authorities or no authorities. But in this case, with this ship, with this network, part of a vast ghost fleet. Anderson, there's about a thousand of these ships. Iranian, Russian and Venezuelan. That is kind of a cat and mouse game that goes on all around the world. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So these ship companies have got to be freaked by this.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Global dark fleet is 1,423 tankers, of which 921 are under sanctions, according to Reuters.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, we'll just be grabbing these left and right, especially. First of all, the way you do it. Now, a shipment in a classic small tanker, the kind that you see commonly is worth $38 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Oh, this definitely hurts.

[Adam Curry]

The big tankers, the big boys, the super tankers, which you don't. I'm sure they grab those because largest ever, the big monsters are you have $200 million worth of oil in those things. So you're taking a lot of money off the. You know, this is not. Minor amount of money.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

And. And so what you do is you let the tankers go fill up. You don't take. Oh, no, you don't take.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you don't take an empty tanker. That would be crazy. No.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You let them fill up somewhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it's, It's. And then you grab them and then you move that oil into one of the refineries. In Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

In the Gulf, you just move it over there. Here you go, boys. Here's. Here's a free tanker full of oil. It's not going to cost you a nickel.

[John C. Dvorak]

And.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's the way to go. It's a great way to lower prices.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's.

[Adam Curry]

It's called piracy, but, you know, it's legal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm all for it, because what this is doing is pressure. Putting more pressure on the true evil behind all of this, who, of course, run Venezuela, because let's not pretend Venezuela, some sad little state with some sad little man singing John Lennon songs. I mean, it's. It's. There's a lot of. Lot of things happening in Venezuela. And I actually got this two. Two clips. Dennis Small. Have you ever heard of him? He works for the Executive Intelligence Review.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he received an award from the Journalist Club of Mexico, so.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he did? Well, there you go. That means he didn't get killed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Instant bestseller. And so I've always thought that the whole fleet right off the coast of Venezuela? Yeah. We're getting the drug boats. What happens is you blow a drug boat and then everyone starts to chatter. You got phone calls, ham radio, text messages. Lord knows what they're using. And the signals are now being received and everything's being mapped out by the ships that are offshore. That makes the most sense to me. Like, let's figure out where everything's going. So this is not, by any stretch of the imagination, the number one entry into the United States of drugs. But Dennis Small explains some stuff to us. The amount of drugs that flow from Venezuela, as previous speakers have indicated, are not the problem. The flow of drugs into the United States.

[Adam Curry]

This is a map produced by the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unodc, the United Nations Organization for Drugs and Crime.

[Adam Curry]

It is the international grouping. The DEA statistics indicate the same thing. That looking at the trafficking of cocaine, which is the main drug trafficked from.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Andean countries to the United States, 74% goes through the Eastern Pacific vector into Mexico.

[Adam Curry]

A very small percentage. 8% from Venezuela. Do some drugs leave from Venezuela?

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, there's not a country in the world where this doesn't happen.

[Adam Curry]

Second point on drugs. Most of the drugs do not enter the United States by illegal migrants swimming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Across the Rio Grande or by fast.

[Adam Curry]

Boats dashing across the Caribbean. It's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

According to the DEA's own statistics and.

[Adam Curry]

CBP, the Customs and Border Patrol, 90%.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of the heroin seized coming into the.

[Adam Curry]

United States, 88% of the cocaine seized.

[John C. Dvorak]

Coming into the United States, and 84% of the methadone. Methamphetamine, Sorry, Coming into the United States comes across the official border crossings. The ports of entry in trailers, in.

[Adam Curry]

Buses, in trucks, in cars, in big rigs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those are the official reports from the DEA itself. Makes total sense to me. Because this is not about the enormous seizures. It's about figuring out who's connected to what. And Dennis Small explains that in this second short clip. This does not have anything to do with drugs.

[Adam Curry]

Drugs is a $1 trillion yearly business run by an international cartel which we have called Dope Incorporated.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not the Kali cartel.

[Adam Curry]

It's not the Sinaloa cartel. It is the City of London and Wall street financial cartel.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's $1 trillion a year.

[Adam Curry]

It's the major banks. If you want to stop drugs, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have to stop drug money laundering, which is at the heart of the whole thing. Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, you're old. You can't you come up with clips to prove your thesis? Well, chicken shit.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? I do not chicken shit.

[Adam Curry]

I never do such a thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. But the thing is, there's no coincidence in what just happened. I know you have a clip as well, so I'll play my intro clip of what just happened regarding Venezuela. This was the moment Maria Corina Machado reappeared after after 11 months in hiding and a journey shrouded in secret. Below her Oslo hotel balcony, supporters gathered to sing the Venezuelan national anthem. And they were soon joined by Machado, who scrambled over a barrier to speak to them. Venezuela's opposition leader had been laying low since January. Defying a travel ban, she flew to the Norwegian capital, where hours earlier, her daughter had accepted the Nobel Peace Prize on her behalf. Machado didn't make it in time to receive the award in person. Instead, her daughter stepped in and delivered her mother's speech in which Machado vowed.

[Adam Curry]

To continue the struggle of the Venezuelan people. What we Venezuelans can offer the world is the lesson for forged through this long and difficult journey that to have democracy, we must be willing to fight for freedom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Machado accuses Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro of stealing the country's 2024 presidential election before she arrived. In a voice message, she thanked those who had helped her leave Venezuela to travel to Oslo after her Peace Prize win back in October, Machado made a point of praising US President Donald Trump, who has intensified his pressure campaign on Maduro in recent months with shows of military force. She said she supports using force to overthrow Maduro's government and has already vowed to return to Venezuela. This is not a coincidence, this timing. It never is. It never is. She's showing up. There's. Of course, it's all intended to put pressure on Maduro on the financial side, if anything. Hey, we got your expensive. Someone's getting that money. That's going somewhere. It has to be sent through something. I heard a statistic that the drug cartel owns something like 12,000 homes throughout Europe.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good investment.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a great investment. So what I have.

[Adam Curry]

I'm approaching this from a different perspective because there's propaganda in here. Besides the fact that what you've noticed I have an Ask Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, hold on a second. Oh, I didn't even see that. Oh, boy. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Now Ask Adam. Peace Prize clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Is that the one you want me to go for?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I want you to play that. Not the ISO, but the Peace Prize clip. And I want you to see if you can spot the anomaly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Venezuelan opposition leader Maria Carina Machado misses the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony, but has secretly made it out of the country.

[Adam Curry]

And is on her way To Oslo. As soon as I arrive, I will be able to embrace all my family and my children that I have not seen for two years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ask Adam. Ask Adam. Will he? No.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, will he? I don't know, but here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ask Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Ask Adam. Jail. Answer the question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go. What's the question?

[Adam Curry]

The question is, why did I clip the wrong clip? So let's go from there to.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was the wrong clip. It was the wrong Ask Adam clip.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Which is annoying because this is a really good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have the good one?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. We're going to find out by playing the Peace Prize Girl. No show.

[John C. Dvorak]

BBC. Okay. I'm disappointed. Now that was.

[Adam Curry]

I am too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you should be. After you excoriate me, I approach this from a different angle, one that makes no sense. Venezuelan opposition leader Maria Karina Machado misses the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony, but has secretly made it out of the country and is on her way to Oslo.

[Adam Curry]

As soon as I arrive, I will be able to.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

That's the same clip. So we don't get what the clip was. They had. They brought. The daughter came out and she. And the daughter came out and she gave a little speech and they clipped the speech. Then they clipped the speech and the clip of the speech is where the flub was. And this is under the ISO clip. You can play it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ms. Machado also denounced kidnappings and torture under Venezuela's President. Listen again. Ms. Machado also denounced kidnappings and torture under Venezuela's president. Denounced.

[Adam Curry]

Denies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I thought she says denounced.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds like she said denied.

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen again.

[Adam Curry]

Ms. Machado also denounced kidnappings and torture. Denounce. Makes sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think she said terrorists. Terrorist.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, my ear, my hearing. I must have. Must be. Right now, at my age. There's one frequency that's allowing me to hear the wrong word very constantly. Let's play the Peace Prize analysis BBC.

[John C. Dvorak]

Alberto Paridis from BBC Mundo told us more about what the award meant for Venezuela. This prize means a lot for many Venezuelans in the opposition, because Venezuelan people had lost hope.

[Adam Curry]

And the price gives them something that they did not have for many years.

[John C. Dvorak]

They lost every single hope in 2019.

[Adam Curry]

When the opposition leader Huang Guaido failed.

[John C. Dvorak]

To topple the government. Although she's still leading the opposition, her regular time is spent in hiding.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, she went into hiding in August.

[John C. Dvorak]

Last year after the election that was held in July.

[Adam Curry]

She was part of the election.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then there were protests after the electoral council came out and said that.

[Adam Curry]

Madur had won the election. But they did not provide any evidence.

[John C. Dvorak]

To support that claim. But what the government didn't know was that Maria Cory Machado was collecting the.

[Adam Curry]

Tallies and she published them. And these tallies showed that the opposition leader, Edmundo Gonzalez had actually won the election.

[John C. Dvorak]

After many people went out to protest in Karaq, more than 2,000 people were arrested.

[Adam Curry]

They tried to arrest her as well. She had to go into hiding.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we have not seen her since January, actually this year when she came out for the first time since August to take part in a protest against the government. Because Venezuelan opposition leaders who do fall into the hands of the authorities, it can be very dangerous. Yes. Well, now, yes.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't know that aspect of it, but we just don't follow it that closely. But I didn't realize that she had gone. She was like an investigator and she had gone and picked up the tallies of all the districts reporting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And the numbers didn't match up with Maduro winning and she published it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you recall that Venezuela is ground zero of smartmatic and Dominion and the software in the electronic voting machines. This is part of how this all started to come up.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's like the sister of the guy who owns the source code which keeps changing company hands and names to keep moving it around. He's vice president, she's vice president to Maduro. So all of this is all wrapped up. And it all came to a head, funny enough on Lindell tv. Lindell tv, Mike Lindell tv. And they brought on Patrick Byrne. And Patrick Byrne. I didn't clip it because we've had.

[Adam Curry]

Clips from him before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, well, there's something new here. And so he was, he was going on and on. They're talking about the. All these connections, how Venezuela rigged our 2020 election through their software, which is a little, little. I mean, I don't know. Venezuela did it, the software did it.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think Venezuela did nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you know that Peace prize girl she was talking to Trump said, hey, you should get the Peace Prize. By the way, that peace prize looks exactly like our Peace Prize, our International Peace Prize. It's. Jay did a great job of copying it. Yes. Our art's a little different, but it's a great job.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, that's a symbol for peace in Japanese.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it looks like watercolor done by a 4 year old, but it looks fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

That's the style.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a style, yes. What is that style?

[Adam Curry]

Is that modernism watercolor done by a four year old style?

[John C. Dvorak]

And so, you know, they're going through all that and like yeah, we pretty much know that. And then Patrick Byrne drops a bombshell. We know that he worked with the FBI to drop a bag of what was a couple million dollars on Hillary Clinton. He's been through that before.

[Adam Curry]

This is the guy who's the head of overstock.com was.

[John C. Dvorak]

He resigned. He resigned. So listen to what he has now.

[Adam Curry]

He's like a spook, but he's not really.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I didn't know this, this is new. You just told us that you are CIA. So what, what, how would you describe.

[Adam Curry]

Your role with the CIA which you haven't revealed before? Well, again, I was telling the truth.

[John C. Dvorak]

When I said they frequently was reminded.

[Adam Curry]

That you have a really non standard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Relationship you have that. It became kind of my mother relationship.

[Adam Curry]

I had lots of relations across the government and.

[John C. Dvorak]

But eventually I went from there to by 2010, 2011, Obama, I became something.

[Adam Curry]

Called a tier one intelligence asset.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then in 2010, 2011, Obama elevated me to national intelligence asset. I was told it was going to be the ace in the hole for.

[Adam Curry]

All kinds of, you know, for the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Real tough situations from 2010, 20. That was after working for Brennan for.

[Adam Curry]

Four or five years.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then I continued doing all that stuff through 2016 and all this crazy.

[Adam Curry]

Stuff happened that I've told you about.

[John C. Dvorak]

The, where we set up the Russian hoax.

[Adam Curry]

That's why, I mean I've talked around it because I was trying to hide that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I told you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Stories about how I got drawn into setting up the Russian hoax and the Hillary this and that. There was a little bit of fish fibbing there.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't want to explain the whole truth.

[Adam Curry]

I was doing that. I didn't just stumble into it. I was their go to asset.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was the national intelligence asset. First I got pulled under Brennan in.

[Adam Curry]

06 and then 2011 I got moved into the White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why I got mixed up in the Russian collusion and the, the Hillary stuff. So first I'm thinking, wait a minute, does he know? Was he deep inside the White House and working under Brennan during the Russia hoax? And is he saying this now because either he doesn't want to get busted or you know, or he wants to help or I'm. And you know, he's always been an FBI guy. Now he was a CIA guy.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he never was an FBI guy. He was, he was a fink. He was like working for the CIA. It sounds like he was working for the CIA, but he was being used by the FBI to You know, to create this situation. But he wasn't literally working.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no, he wasn't. He says he was an asset.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then. And then all of a sudden, by.

[Adam Curry]

The way, we're surrounded by people like this. People should out there should realize that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, but they donate to the show.

[Adam Curry]

Not as much as they used to.

[John C. Dvorak]

They used to donate more when we talked about it.

[Adam Curry]

What is the deal?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. Step it up, boys and girls. So then he goes into this whole thing about the color revolution, and I'm like, what? Hold on a sec.

[Adam Curry]

Why are you sharing this information now, Patrick, as we're looking at Venezuela and we're talking about our recollections, it seems to me that you feel that this is an important and part of. You need to let people know why. I've danced around long enough and it's not working.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the regret of my life.

[Adam Curry]

Stop it. Stop the clip. Okay, so we can assume from the fact that this guy's, you know, fully, fully read in on everything that this is. Whatever he's telling us now is. Has to be bull crap. It's part of another scheme of some sort of. That we're unaware of. But he's going to play it out. He's going to use old Lindell as the go to, as the middleman.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're really good. You caught it sooner than I did. You're really good. I have the payoff for that. But first we'll listen to him dancing around. You're good. You nailed it. I've danced around long enough, and it's not working.

[Adam Curry]

And the regret of my life is that I spent the first Trump term.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trying to dance around within my constraints.

[Adam Curry]

Buffett said, patrick, when I went to.

[John C. Dvorak]

See him, he was like, my rabbi.

[Adam Curry]

Said, pastor, just go on television and tell everything. And I just said, I couldn't do that. But I went and told enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trying to shape, and I've had enough.

[Adam Curry]

We have an insurrection. We have an insurrection going on. People calling, you know, these people calling, you know, if.

[John C. Dvorak]

And don't you hate how that's that. That they say, well, we're not saying disobey Trump. We're just saying that if he gives.

[Adam Curry]

You illegal orders, which theoretically, then it's time for you to disobey Trump. So I want to tell people in the military who I know watch your.

[John C. Dvorak]

Show, that theoretically, if you have officers.

[Adam Curry]

Generals or colonels who try to get you to take part in a color revolution, please kill them for US Citizens, Just shoot them in the face. We'll appreciate it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Theoretically. Okay, so what he's saying is the Deep State is organizing a color revolution, an insurrection against us. And I'm like, wow. Okay. And then the Lindell News host clears it all up for us. And there's actually a docu series that.

[Adam Curry]

Mike General Michael Flynn produced about your life story.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this will make more sense now.

[Adam Curry]

That you shared this information. If you go back and watch that docuseries.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Flynn again. In fact, I mean, since he wrote the book on psychological warfare, I'm now thinking if you just keep saying that there's a color revolution, you might actually spark one. Or at best, you're going to. It's like a red scare. The guy's running.

[Adam Curry]

So Flynn is still running ops?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

For who? The dia?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's unclear. It is military.

[Adam Curry]

It's totally unclear, though.

[John C. Dvorak]

So for instance, when one of my contacts.

[Adam Curry]

You know, this may be the. One of the reasons you, when you met him, that you had an uneasiness to. To the meeting.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. That was just my. My radar.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but that, that. Yeah, but that's what you do. That's your job basically. Just to be honest, my whole job.

[John C. Dvorak]

I gotta go around the country meeting people.

[Adam Curry]

It's definitely part of your job, is to sense things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, I sense it right away. And maybe he sensed me. Maybe he's like, ugh. Oh, that guy. We know all about him because one of my contacts claimed that he gave Flynn the washed out picture of the kudz.

[Adam Curry]

Right. We mentioned that one time after the show. Yeah, I know who that.

[John C. Dvorak]

A handler. But, you know, I know it. I tell him, he's. But he's a Flynn guy. That's no secret there. And I told him, I said, flynn's running an op. He said, well, I gave this to Flynn, so I'm running the op. I'm like, okay, I believe you. I'm good to go. And.

[Adam Curry]

And, you know, what's the op? I mean, we don't. People should know that. We kind of specialize in spotting this stuff, but we're never read in. And so we have to analyze it from the outside. Which is what? To be honest about what they want us to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let's look at it different ways. It could be. It's very possible that. Because I also know that one of Trump's rich friends bailed out Flynn. He had some enormous debts, probably legal bills, and that was all taken care of by somebody. That's just what I heard. But I believe the source.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure it's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think that's true. So it could be that this is being made. So there is, of course there are factions inside our government and certainly inside our military who are no good. And so if you turn it into this is a color revolution and these people are out to start war, civil war in America, just like the movie the Obamas, then it coming from the Michael Flynn faction. You know, add Laura Logan in there because she's been on this non stop. Throw some Muslim stuff in there, Muslim Brotherhood, all of that stuff. You know, you can start to smoke people out and maybe that's the idea.

[Adam Curry]

To smoke them out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Smoke them out. Smoke them out.

[Adam Curry]

That's not a bad idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. But it's a little annoying that it comes like Patrick Byrne. Really? That' guy you're going to use. I mean, he sounds, he sounds nuts.

[Adam Curry]

He does sound. And I believe I'd be nuts too if you were doing all that work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And I believe what he says. I. I think he's probably telling the truth. Although his credibility has dropped a little bit because. Well, I was dancing around. I wasn't really lying. I was just kind of fibbing a little bit. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Which means it's mo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So there's definitely something going on. It's very similar to the UK Ultra, is my new name for it. Candace Owens is UK Ultra. She's not MK Ultra, she's UK Ultra.

[Adam Curry]

So I was presented with one of the theories about Candace freaking out of Leigh is that she's actually had before. But this is from one of our mutual friends. This data with some screenshots about this theory that she was. She had an affair with Charlie Kirk before he was married by three or four years when she was part of Turning Point usa. And then she got kicked out when she sided with the Kanye and the Jew haters got kicked out of the operation and Charlie had to break up with her and he ended up finding the other girl marrying her. But she is acting. The quote. The quote is she's acting like the crazy ex girlfriend. All the earmarks of a crazy ex girlfriend blaming everybody in the organization for killing Charlie and because she hates all of them, because other ones have kicked her out and removed her from Charlie to begin with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I have two clips pertaining to this since we're on it. The first is, you know, we have a couple more people in the fray. Tim Pool jumped in.

[Adam Curry]

Jumped in the pool.

[John C. Dvorak]

This, this whole thing is. It reminds me of like when CB radioed when everyone had one, it just got crap and Everybody's like, break a break. You sucked. This is rubber duck.

[Adam Curry]

You suck more than my duck.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or like the guys on 80 meters in the middle of the night. The good old boys.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's different. The CB radio phenomenon. Most people today don't remember it or it's new to them because it happened before their time. That was one of the most phenomenal things I've ever witnessed as a fad. Everybody had a CB radio.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And everyone was talking smack about each other at a certain point.

[Adam Curry]

It was unbelievable. It was out of control.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was completely out of. Except for channel nine. That's the emergency channel. Channel. We don't touch channel nine. But channel 19, that was, that was horrible. Anyway, so it's, it's. And it's, it's just on. It's like maybe there's a million people, maybe there's three, maybe there's five that really care about this and nobody else cares. And this start, this starting to burn out because they just can't get any crazier. And I think Megyn Kelly's smart. She's backing away. It's like, eh, this is a fireball. I don't want to have any part of that. So here's Tim Poole jumping, jumping in.

[Adam Curry]

And then we have this tweet from Sarah Fields. According to Candace Owens, this is who to blame for the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Based on her own public statements on X and on her podcast, I've kept track. Okay. The French government, including Emmanuel Macron and Bridget Macron. The French Foreign Legion, 13th Brigade, the Gendarmerie Intervention group Israel Israeli operatives and Benjamin Netanyahu, Jewish donors. The US government Feds and the FBI. The Deep State. The CIA Turning Point USA executives and leadership including Tyre Boyer, Andrew Colvitt, Erica Kirk. Yes. His wife, Blake Neff, Pastor Rob McCoy, Josh Hammer, Pierre Dupont and Dupont family. Stacy Sheridan, Freemasons. The broader French interests, BB Net and Yahoo with Israel connections. Egypt and Egyptian operations, for example planes and joint exercises. Bolsheviks and anti Christian forces. Maroon shirted individuals. Suspected operatives or military tpusa associated influencers, for example. Alex Clark. Are you done yet? There are only three possible reason, possible reasons for her nonsense. Either she's evil, mentally ill or a complete grifter. Which is it? Because a truth teller is not even on the table anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was interesting to see Andy Ngo posted an excerpt from his substack. You remember Andy Noe. He was heralded brave.

[Adam Curry]

He's still around on Twitter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Brave Andy Ngo. Yeah, he got beat up by the Antifas in Seattle, I think.

[Adam Curry]

Couple of times.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he posted a very reasonable substack. It was pretty much what we talked about. It's like, you know, the reason we don't know anything is there's a gag order. You can't pollute the jury pool. There's all this information that's going to come out, out in trial. Was it really a 30.06? You know, that's, that's the main thing is, oh, 30 odd six. We really don't, you know, we really don't know anything. And he got just roasted by of all people, Jimmy Dore. So Jimmy Dore is like, oh, I gotta sell some, some stand up concert tickets here, let me jump in here. Yeah, you idiot. Only an idiot wouldn't question the narrative.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Yeah, it doesn't sound like Jimmy Dore. But.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so, but I think the first kind of public victim is going to be Tucker because Tucker doesn't really understand. I don't think he understands quite yet how this works because he's relatively new to the social media phenomenon.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is an interesting point. Now I was going to get some Tucker clips. Not that I don't have enough clips that I'm not playing, but the Tucker was in Qatar. Dynamite. Do you have the clip?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but we can summarize it.

[Adam Curry]

I can, I can. Yes. He goes to Qatar and under the, under the shadow of Mark Levin, accusing him of financing his entire network with Qatar money. Yeah, he goes to Qatar and to some big event there, some Middle Eastern thing. And he goes on stage, you notice him in the audience, but he goes on stage to interview.

[John C. Dvorak]

The president.

[Adam Curry]

Amir, who whatever he wants to call him the prince.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so, and to get the. Said, no, I love the Jews. No, we don't like Hamas. The United States told us to put Hamas here. That's why they're here. It's got nothing to do. So he's doing an apology of everything and Qatars the cutter. I'm sorry. Tucker is leading him into the. You know, when people say this, oh, that's bull crap. And so Tucker's doing the whole thing in that very end of the, of the meeting, a 20 minute interview. @ the very end, Tucker says, you know, I've been accused of taking Qatari.

[John C. Dvorak]

Money.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Is that true? And I guess not that I know of. And then he says, and I'm going to mention this, I bought a house here. I'm moving to Qatar. I think it's great. Beautiful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Country. I love it here. No, no, he didn't say he's moving. He says, I bought a house here because I'm a free man. I'm an American. I can do whatever I.

[Adam Curry]

Want. You're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. Like, whoa.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. And he never said he was going to move there. He's got a house and he said, investment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Property. Maybe he says in Doha, because I think it's a beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

City. I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Actually. I went on the Zillow and I went looking at Doha. It's a manufactured thing in the desert. It's not.

[Adam Curry]

Beautiful. No, it's like a Bechtel city. The women are all covered up. The only woman that's not covered up in the Middle Eastern. That area, including, you know, Dubai. They're all covered up, and it's just kind of pathetic. And they're wearing black and it's like, hot.

[John C. Dvorak]

There.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Is. Was the woman who was the host of this event. She comes out. She's not wearing any hijab or anything. She comes out, yak, yak, yak. And Tucker's thinking, this is great. I like this town. But you're right, it's not a no. None of those places are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beautiful. This is Tucker. Like, I love being in Maine with my dogs and hunting and fishing and. And my love. I love my truck. You know, it's like. Like what? That was so odd. And then there was, you know, on the street interviews, and he's. He's getting, you know, people say he looked flustered. I don't know. It's just Tucker. By the way, isn't it funny that Tucker and. And Cutter. It's like if you just reverse.

[Adam Curry]

Tucker. Yeah. I was having trouble getting it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out. Yeah. So I was watching a YouTube interview of Charles Asher Small of ISGAP, that's the Institute of the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy. He's a. He's the Jew guy. So the Jew guy is on with. Well, that's what he is. I mean, the whole thing is like anti Semites. Okay. So he's on with the Jew guys guy. And the Jew guy tackles Tucker and.

[Adam Curry]

Candace. But we also have, by the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Way, I should say it was interesting. And I'm probably going to get more clips from this guy in the future because he was connecting the Muslim Brotherhood to everything. And of course, the movie which.

[Adam Curry]

Comes really, actually comes out of England. We can't forget.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. That's why I'm so interested in it. That's why I'm watching this interview.

[Adam Curry]

Because this would be so you can back up your thesis even more with more Clips about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me. It's called confirmation bias and I love.

[Adam Curry]

It. But we also have to, I think, turn our gaze to the radical right. The Qataris are starting to fund people like Tucker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Carlson. And do we have evidence of that? Because I keep wondering that about Tucker.

[Adam Curry]

Carlson. Yeah, he's actually registered. He has a company that's registered and getting, they're getting funding for the Qataris. So that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Established. We know that for.

[Adam Curry]

Sure. Yes, we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do. Because with Candace, I feel like she's just a bit nuts and.

[Adam Curry]

Ideological. Her husband is interesting. I think he's an extreme kind of a. Yeah, I don't know. I don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Enough. But yeah, her husband was born a woman, wasn't.

[Adam Curry]

He? Oh, that's what. Yeah, that's what Candace's husband, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Think was born a woman. That's a, that's a joke before she comes and.

[Adam Curry]

Sues. But, but that, that should be the topic of our next interview. Wait, stop. I, I couldn't follow any of that. What was he saying? They're talking with this borderline accent. But.

[John C. Dvorak]

What. Can you please let me summarize? So first of all, you heard him say, yes, we know that Tucker.

[Adam Curry]

Has a company that is taking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Money. Well, he didn't say what the name of the company was. Probably some can't find it anywhere. But he's saying that with a little more insight than Mark.

[Adam Curry]

Levin. Mark.

[John C. Dvorak]

Levan, who I do not watch. This is.

[Adam Curry]

Annoying. And then okay, on Fridays and I'm sorry, on Saturday and Sundays he's on Fox. I think he's one of those prima donnas that they don't like there. But he comes on for. He does a couple, couple of. He does an hour on Friday or, sorry, Saturday and Sunday each. And he gives, at the beginning of those, of those shows, he gives a lecture, literally a lecture like he is a professor. And it's often quite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good. Well, good, that's your beat. And I expect you to bring many interesting clips from Mark Levine, the great one. Yes. So then what happens is the host says, well, Candace Owens, I think she's just nuts. And the guy says, now remember, this is the Muslim Brotherhood expert. He says, well, her husband is very interesting. Of course he's related to Lord Farmer, which is complete British society and they've got non profits and everything, you know, for, I don't know, for dogs or whatever it.

[Adam Curry]

Is. Oh, I should mention the, the crazy ex girlfriend thesis. The guy who presents that had pictures of her with Charlie and then pictures of her with her husband saying, look, they look similar. She has a thing for guys that have this certain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look. Well. And then the host says, nuts and.

[Adam Curry]

Ideological. Her husband is intriguing. I think he's an extreme kind of a. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know enough. But.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Her husband was born a woman, wasn't he? So then the host says, her husband was born a woman, wasn't he? Which is obviously a joke about the Macrons, But I kind of. I thought that was.

[Adam Curry]

Funny. So I left it in there, okay? That's why I got messed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up. I left it in.

[Adam Curry]

There. It's good. It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Funny. The. The scorned ex girlfriend theory is as valid as anything. Crazy ex girlfriend, Crazy ex girlfriend. But then what is her husband doing? I mean, he must just be loving it. Otherwise you'd say, baby, you gotta stop doing.

[Adam Curry]

This. Yes. Stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? He's. Honey, you gotta stop. This has gone too far. But to me, that feels very much like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is great. Look at what my wife is doing. Look at my wife is doing. She's stirring everything up and they're getting everything. Breaking up the grand old party, breaking up maga. She's doing great. Good old there Candace. I'll take care of the four kids. Don't you worry about it. I'll take care of it. That was pretty good.

[Adam Curry]

Actually. Yeah, you were.

[John C. Dvorak]

Daily. I didn't have enough gay in.

[Adam Curry]

There, but you could do. Doing British gay is not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Easy. It's one of the hardest things British gay is not easy to do. So, you know, again, I think it's UK Ultra. This is under some kind of weird spell. Just makes no sense. But people love it. Yeah, people are all over it. This is so much fun. I love it. What's. Oh, what did Tim Pool say about you? What did you say about.

[Adam Curry]

Him? It's all these guys. It's all like a circle jerk. It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unbelievable. But Tucker's getting caught in the crossfire. He has no idea that he's out of his league. This is. Is just not what he does. He would do his Fox show and, you know, go back to Maine and whatever. Then now it's like, I'm an American. I could do whatever. I'm a free man. I'm an American. I can buy a house in Doha. I don't. I have some very wealthy friends. Not a single one ever said, I'm buying a house in Doha because it's such a.

[Adam Curry]

Beautiful. So.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beautiful. Beautiful. And real estate is actually not too bad. There's there for about 700,000 you can get a nice dollars, that is, you can get a nice multi room apartment overlooking the water, the bay and the manufactured pools if you.

[Adam Curry]

Want. Who wants? It's inconvenient. It's out of the way. I mean, of all the places you want to go, that's the last place I'd want to go. It's easier to get to Beijing than it is to get.

[John C. Dvorak]

There. Oh, that's a good point. Well, Tucker probably flies total pain.

[Adam Curry]

In the ass to get to the Middle east from the United.

[John C. Dvorak]

States. The Qataris send the.

[Adam Curry]

Jet. Well, they probably do, but it's still a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Long. It's a long.

[Adam Curry]

Haul. A long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Haul. Yeah, yeah, it's a long way to go. Yeah, I would have. Hey, you know what if, if Qatar came along and said, here's 5 million bucks and oh, by the way, use the jet whenever you want to, dude, I'd be picking you.

[Adam Curry]

Up. Oh, yeah, let's roll. No, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Different. Let's roll. Dvorak. Meet.

[Adam Curry]

Meet. You know, but, but if that's the case, Tucker should be honest about it. Yeah, because nobody would.

[John C. Dvorak]

Care. Well, I mean, but how, how tone deaf are you with all of what everyone is saying to show up in Qatar to interview? And the interview was 20 minutes. Like, man, it didn't really add anything to my life. There was nothing shocking other than what I think he was trying to do, was trying to say, because that was the only thing that really came out of it was the Israelis bombed Qatar and it wasn't President Trump's direction. That was, I think, the crux of the interview. Because Trump, according to the Emirates, called him a few minutes before it happened. They said, oh crap, I'm really sorry, these guys are about to bomb you. And then he made Bibi Netanyahu call and apologize. That was the crux of the interview. But he didn't. I mean, why do you need to go to Doha to get that out of the guy? Who cares? Who are you working.

[Adam Curry]

For? No, I'm agreeing. He went to Doha to collect.

[John C. Dvorak]

This check and you know, Hillary Clinton was there. You know, the whole thing just has a bad look. Bill Gates. Bill Gates spoke.

[Adam Curry]

There? Of course he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was. Yes. Oh, yeah. Why Gabby, man, Gavi, I don't know. He's too boring. He's always the same thing. Kill people. We don't have enough people on there. Too many people on the planet. Get rid of them. Shoot them up. Vaccines good. RFK Jr.

[Adam Curry]

Bad. Talking about RFG Jr. Bad. They of course tried to impeach him. Which is bullcrap. But I have a couple of. I have some underreported clips I want to get to stuff that hasn't been discussed. And it's off. Just. We're off the Middle.

[John C. Dvorak]

East.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And one of them was that Trump recently fired one of the FTC women who he put in office, and her term was up in.

[John C. Dvorak]

29. And didn't the Supreme Court say, yeah, you have that.

[Adam Curry]

Right? Well, no, they're working on.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. Oh, they're working on it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. And the point is, is that what Trump is trying to do is he want. Because you can't. There's these independent agencies that were created like the ftc, and kind of the appointment is the appointment. You can't fire them except for cause. And Trump specifically fired her without cause on purpose to get this thing to the Supreme.

[John C. Dvorak]

Court. Yeah, I.

[Adam Curry]

Gotcha. And I couldn't quite figure out what's going on. But there's a long report, long thing on this on npr, and I have a minute of it which explains what they're really up against and what they're trying to do. And it's called the unitary unitary executive theory, which I've never heard of before. And I thought this little clip would straighten it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out. And it's something that predates Donald Trump. And for a very long time, Conservatives, especially a lot of them who are on the Supreme Court today, believe.

[Adam Curry]

In something called the unitary executive theory, that the president should have powers at.

[John C. Dvorak]

The expense of Congress to control everything in the executive branch. And we really are undergoing a change in our system of government before.

[Adam Curry]

Our very eyes that is making the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Executive branch more powerful at the expense of.

[Adam Curry]

Congress. In this case, Congress created these agencies, gave them a certain amount of independence. They thought that would be better.

[John C. Dvorak]

To shield them from political.

[Adam Curry]

Influence. But conservatives think that's just wrong. And that guardrail of democracy is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Being demolished by the unitary executive theory. And also what that means is that the professional civil service, which is.

[Adam Curry]

Also a guardrail, is also being.

[John C. Dvorak]

Demolished. Because if the president can fire.

[Adam Curry]

The heads of these agencies. Agencies, he certainly can fire all.

[John C. Dvorak]

The people who work in them. Well, I guess that comes down to the.

[Adam Curry]

Constitution. Well, these agencies are supposed to be under the executive branch, even though they're created by Congress. And so he feels he's. The executive branch has the, you know, they're the boss. So that's. That's happening. But the other thing, the underreported news is this is the. Which I think is really underreported.

[John C. Dvorak]

And should be be highlighted Here on the, on the no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Podcast. Well, that's what we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do.

[Adam Curry]

Yep. This is about the, the, the court decision on the grand jury releasing the, the doc. The Epstein grand jury stuff. Listen to.

[John C. Dvorak]

This. A federal judge in New York has ruled the US Department of Justice can publicly release grand jury records from the 2019 sex trafficking case, case against the late pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. The judge cited a new law requiring files about Epstein to be released by the end of next week. Well, if Congress mandates it, I don't see why, why that would be. I mean it's new because everyone's like, oh, grand jury quiet. We just hide, just stick everything in the grand jury testimony. We can't release that. But once Congress says, okay, you have to release. I think that's it.

[Adam Curry]

It. Well, that's what.

[John C. Dvorak]

Happened.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, but they didn't, you know, they made a big fuss about not releasing that document because it's got a lot of stuff in.

[John C. Dvorak]

It.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. But now it's going to be released and nobody's saying all the news. Where's the news on this is it. Where did I get this from the BBC.

[John C. Dvorak]

World. Well, I can tell you why, because what's in this is going to be very embarrassing to a lot of people. The news will not want to report on. So this could be. I think you're right. They could be front running. Running, you know, like front running as in we're just not going to talk about it because you're right. Why wouldn't they be on this non stop instead drug boats bombing boats, killing.

[Adam Curry]

People. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anything. Shh. Not the Epstein files. And I think probably everybody will benefit from this being very quiet because there's going to be a lot of implications and, and it's not going to be. I don't think it's going to be sex though stuff. It's going to be money stuff. People really get worried when it's about money. Who's getting money, who gave money, where'd the money go? Your no Agenda show will be all over.

[Adam Curry]

It. And then I have this, this, this other one. This is a, this I got from Jesse Waters, which is hard to clip, as you say, but it's impossible. He likes to have Kevin McCarthy on who is an outstanding analyst for anything going on in the government. He'll bring McCarthy on. Calls him K Max, so it's kind of cool and amac. That's what he calls.

[John C. Dvorak]

Him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Brother. Yeah. So McCarthy comes on and he does really interesting analysis and most of the kind of that level. It's like he was the head of the Congress for a while. And it's very outstanding. Listen to this. Talking about the Gavin Newsom. This is the Gavin clip. This is the Gavin Newsom feud with Kamala Harris and how it came about and where Gavin's place in the world is. And this is very interesting. I never thought of it this way. Now Kamala is talking about her bust. She says there's going to be a big, beautiful bust of her and Kamala Congress one day. And she's beefing with Newsom still. What's going on there? That's a long term.

[John C. Dvorak]

Argument. Remember, they come from the same area. They come from San.

[Adam Curry]

Francisco. And remember that Newsom wanted to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Run for the Senate and she.

[Adam Curry]

Ran. So he didn't get to. Newsom wanted to run for governor. Jerry Brown did. So he had to go to lieutenant governor. He's been pushed around. And when Kamala won the nomination, Democrat nomination, you know, the Democrat convention never let Gavin Newsom, the home state.

[John C. Dvorak]

Governor of the nominee speak. Even when it came to the.

[Adam Curry]

Roll call, he just had to sit there. It was very embarrassing for him. So she wanted him out on a hike. All right, so they hate each other and they're on a collision course. And Gavin's lost every round so far. And let's see if the streak continues. I surely don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mind. Isn't this part of the. The four families that run the Bay.

[Adam Curry]

Area? It has something to do with it, with the state, actually, but they. But Kamala was never part of that group. She was an outsider, but she was the, you know, the black token black, Indian, black, whatever you wanted her to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

She. They had to have her there because they're starting to look racist otherwise.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. Well.

[Adam Curry]

His. It's gonna be fun to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Watch. Newsom's dad was William.

[Adam Curry]

Newsom. I don't remember the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Details. He wanted to make. This was all he.

[Adam Curry]

Was. It was all part of. The Gettys are the ones behind most of these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Families. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And they were. They had all the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Money. But it's Newsome, Brown, Pelosi and Feinstein. Those are the big. The big.

[Adam Curry]

Families. Yeah. All run by the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gettys. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Beautiful. We don't have to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anything. So I was walking the dog. I was walking the dog and I'm listening to the president speak in Pennsylvania. And I'm listening because. Some good material, some great material. The oil baron text me. He says he's wrong. There are diminishing returns on oil drilling in the United States and he's in the Permian Basin, but he's in other places too. And he says, right now we are pumping oil at a loss. And so he's calling people out, the best oil man ever, and this and that. And Trump even says, well, we got to get the price of energy down. Energy price down. But not too fast. Not too fast because it went very fast. And these guys need to pump, according to the oil Baron, at $75 a barrel.

[Adam Curry]

Barrel. Oh, that's way too.

[John C. Dvorak]

High. But that's what it is. And it's still regulations. The Capex, they can't write off stuff. It's only seven years. They can't do 14 or 15, even though this stuff lasts for 20. So there's a whole bunch of reasons why it's still very high. And so he's kind of complaining and moaning at me, yeah, I would.

[Adam Curry]

Be too, if I was losing 10 bucks a barrel or more. Now I think the price dropped to 56 the other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Day. You know, I was going to hit him up for use of the jet to, you know, to go to California, but I'm afraid now he's going to be like, I've got no money. I'm broke. They got a plane. The company has a plane. Hey, I told you, I've got. It's better to have a friend with a plane than it is to own your own. I'm going to tell you that. Or helicopter. And so Phoebe's doing her business and I hear the president, and I laugh so hard the dog stopped pooping. Pooping. It was amazing. Here's what he.

[Adam Curry]

Said. Elon, Omar, whatever the hell her name is. With a little shoe, a little.

[John C. Dvorak]

Turban. Come on, man, that's genius. The little turban. Ah, it was.

[Adam Curry]

Great. Love her. She comes in, does nothing, but she's always.

[John C. Dvorak]

Complaining. She comes from her.

[Adam Curry]

Country. Country where, I mean, it's considered about the worst country in the world, right? They have no military, they have no nothing. They have no parliament. They don't know what the hell the word parliament means. They have nothing. They have no police. They. They police themselves. They kill each other all the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Time. I love.

[Adam Curry]

It. She comes to our country and she's always complaining about the Constitution allows me to do this, the concert. We ought to get. Get her to hell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out. She married her brother in order to get in, right? She married her brother. See, he's got the crowd on a roll. He's like, I'm not stopping.

[Adam Curry]

Here. Can you imagine if Donald Trump married his sister? Beautiful. She's a Beautiful person. I married my sister to get my citizenship. Do you think I'd last for about two hours, or would it be something less than that? She married her brother to get in. Therefore she's here illegally. She should get the hell out, throw the hell out. She does nothing but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Complain. She married her brother with a.

[Adam Curry]

Little. I watched quite a bit of that, but I didn't catch that good part, which you just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Played. Turban was.

[Adam Curry]

Great. The turban thing is funny, but the media was playing a lot of the jokes, but they didn't. Nobody, including Gutfeld, didn't play that little segment. That's a beauty. I'll give you a clip of the day for finding.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. I laughed so hard about that. Thank you. Thank.

[Adam Curry]

You. Yeah, he was doing gags and jokes and, you know, trying to get, you know, he was one. Doing the weave in a very extreme way. He was out there and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then. And then just on the anti woke, I guess, anti trans Maoism tip. Marco Rubio's like, I'm stepping up to the plate. I'm gonna do something about it. It's not just America's national security strategy that's changing under Donald Trump. It's the typeface used to present it as well. The US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio has ordered diplomats to return to using Times New Roman for official communications. His predecessor in the Biden administration opted for Calibri because apparently its lack of decorative angular features made it more accessible for people with disabilities. And it was a Microsoft office default setting. Mr. Rubio called it a wasteful diversity.

[Adam Curry]

Move.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please. What in the world is going on with.

[Adam Curry]

This? Yeah, I have some thoughts on.

[John C. Dvorak]

This. I thought you.

[Adam Curry]

Would. I think my clip is the same as your.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clip. You know a lot, actually. You know a lot about fonts.

[Adam Curry]

You know a lot about font typeset. Yeah, you should be a type.

[John C. Dvorak]

Setting. Yes. Well, let me just play 30 seconds of Rubio here as he's talking about.

[Adam Curry]

It. Now. It's not just America's national security strategy that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Changing. Wait, that's not the one. It's. Hold on a second. I thought I had it here. Crap. I was sure I had Rubio. Anyway, I don't. But your thoughts are.

[Adam Curry]

Appreciated. Well, they make a big point that they. It was Simplex Calibri, which is also a name of a shotgun.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or. Well, let's start with the basics. Is it is Calibri. Calibre, whatever. Is it indeed easier to read on screens? Is.

[Adam Curry]

There. This is now here. This where it becomes interesting. I personally There's a contradiction here. Calibri was according the designer. Maybe the designer even talks in this clip that I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have. Oh, I have a designer clip too. But you're on.

[Adam Curry]

Deck. You go, well, play the guy. The designer guy, because he makes mockery of the change back. Because he claims that Calibri was designed as a font specifically for screenshots or screen reading, which I believe is probably true. Screen reading is a lot different than reading on paper because you have to. It's harder to keep your eyes because the distance is different, but the light in your eye and the whole thing. It's hard to read on a screen. If it's like it's a giant paragraph, you get lost going back and forth. That's why they had to have short paragraphs on the screenshot. But the calibre is a San Serif face. That means there's no serifs. The little lines at the bottom, little footers. There's little. The bottom of a table with a footer on it. It's a sans seriface. And it's generally believed that serif faces are always easier to read than sans serifaces because there's a natural line that forms on the bottom of each line because of the serifs. It makes it easier for the eye to follow and the font that was designed. But if you start to. If you look at Calibra, it's very easy to read. Times New Roman is not so much. If, if, if, if Rubio was on the ball, he would have mandated for, for press releases that were put on, on the screen, which is what I think they're talking about. Mostly they would have picked Georgia, which is the. And it's the font I use all the time. Georgia was also designed to be read on a screen and it's serif. So Georgia, which is a Microsoft font, it was developed up there, is a stunning font for reading on screens, and it's just in far superior to Times New Roman and Calibri. So I think he was right in his idea of getting rid of one and going back to Serifaces, but he picked the wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

One.

[Adam Curry]

1. Is anyone still listening to the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Show? I'm not. Probably not. Let me, let me play the designer.

[Adam Curry]

Here. Well, Lucas de Groot is the Danish type designer who came up with Calibri and he joins us now. Lucas, what did you make of it when you heard this.

[John C. Dvorak]

News? It's a hilarious and sad news item. I really don't understand.

[Adam Curry]

It. Do you think Calibri is woken any.

[John C. Dvorak]

Way? No, I mean, it was designed to facilitate reading on modern computer screens and it was chosen to replace Times Neuron, the typeface that Rubio wants to go back to now in.

[Adam Curry]

2007. And yeah, Calibri was designed to work well in tiny sizes and on course, Office screens, which it still does much better than Times New.

[John C. Dvorak]

Roman. So I don't understand.

[Adam Curry]

It. Yes, because one of the. One of the quotes from Marco Rubio's instruction to Diplomatic around the world was he said they were going to go back to Times who Roman to restore decorum to the department's written products. Do you think your typeface lacks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Decorum? Well, of course. Maybe the seraphs in Times in Roman. How the little feet on the.

[Adam Curry]

Stems can be seen as.

[John C. Dvorak]

Decorum.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Just briefly. And finally, you're confident the Calibri will survive this outrage? Absolutely. Lucas DeGruy, it's lovely to talk to you. Lucas is the man who created Calibri, this font that is used so widely, but alas, no longer in the US State.

[John C. Dvorak]

Department. Man, is it. Because all I heard was it's a default on Microsoft Office products. What is the default? Calibri. No, Times. Isn't Times the.

[Adam Curry]

Default? There's about five or six fonts. I don't know that there's a default. I don't know. I have no idea. What if that is default? I mean, it's on there. It's provided. It's one of the many fonts that you get when you get Office. It's on the list. I don't know. It's a default. I always thought Arial.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was. Let me see what the default is in mine. Let me see this. So it's such a complicated, complicated program. Aptos is my default. Aptos? Why do I have.

[Adam Curry]

Aptos? I don't. You know, this whole story is interesting. All these companies do this. They keep changing. What? This is our official font for our company. Microsoft sent out a thing. They used Berkeley or some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Berkeley.

[Adam Curry]

Berkeley. Crazy font. Yeah. You don't even have it as a default. It's hard to find. It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beautiful. Basically, we've wasted too much time on.

[Adam Curry]

This.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Already. Especially my analysis. I don't think anybody cares. I could go on and on because I think there's a psychology to these fonts. That's the thing that's overlooked. When you look at something in different fonts, you have it. Media is the message kind of thing. It's a McLuhan esque kind of experience. Things in different fonts have a different impact on you. There's no question about.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. Then we had the farmer bailout. I have two NPR clips with some explanations here. This is all. And, and I think I called it before Thanksgiving when the reporter said, well, you know, Walmart, they say it's cheaper, the turkey dinner, but they don't have Stephanie Rule, I think it was. They don't have, you know, cornbread or whatever in there, so there's less ingredients. And that's when we first heard the big A word. And I think we, we identified it quickly as affordability. That was the word, and that is now the word that the president, who of course made a big mistake by saying, I'm gonna bring prices down. It's gonna be so.

[Adam Curry]

Cheap. And people, I don't understand why the news media doesn't emphasize this. Well, you know why? Because this doesn't help Trump. But which is the fact that inflation is cumulative. It is not something you can't. When you have 10%, 9%, 10%, 9%, 10% up during the Biden administration jacked everything up, probably 20% overall, maybe more. More. And then it keeps going up 2% or even 2% or 1%. That's still going up. It is never going to go down. It doesn't go down unless you have deflation. And you can't have deflation because that causes a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Depression. Yes. In fact, it's even funnier now because when he says energy prices, I brought him down. Yeah, gas is definitely cheaper. But the news media goes, well, everyone's electricity bill is higher, which has nothing to do with anything other than data centers everywhere. So anyway, here's, here's a little quickie from NPR on the farmer.

[Adam Curry]

Bailout. President Trump has announced a $12 billion bailout for farmers to offset the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Impact of his tariff.

[Adam Curry]

Policies. How does this bailout announcement fit into the bigger picture of Trump's economic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Policies? Well, to start with, you just.

[Adam Curry]

Have a lot of voters who really are feeling economic pain for a variety of reasons right now. This is something that polls, including our own polling at npr, keeps showing us.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. But voters are talking about, especially the big A word, affordability, as a big.

[Adam Curry]

Problem. Now, this bailout announcement isn't exactly about affordability, but it is about helping.

[John C. Dvorak]

A group of people who have been.

[Adam Curry]

Hurt by Trump's tariff policies to at least stay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Afloat. Right. So it's $12 billion. NPR has some of the.

[Adam Curry]

Details. Danielle, can we just talk about the nuts and bolts? I mean, how does this program work? I mean, really broadly speaking, it's $12 billion. That the ag department has set.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aside as direct payments to farmers. So another farm support program, there.

[Adam Curry]

Are a few of them of that $12 billion, 11.

[John C. Dvorak]

Billion. So the overwhelming majority of it.

[Adam Curry]

Is for row crop farmers. So that's farmers that grow grains like seed corn, wheat, soybeans, cotton. So not things like, you know, spinach, tomatoes, things you see in the produce aisle. One billion has been set aside for vegetable farmers should they need it. But that 11 billion for row crop farmers, what we know right now is that it's only for farms making up to just over 900,000 per year. That will exclude the very biggest.

[John C. Dvorak]

Farms, but will include all the small.

[Adam Curry]

Family farms that we hear about in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Politics all of the time. And it will be capped at just over $150,000 per.

[Adam Curry]

Farm. And the amount will be adjusted based on the size of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Farm. So depending on the farmer, that.

[Adam Curry]

May or may not cover their losses based on tariffs and rising input costs this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Year. Okay, so there's NPR saying it's no good. But I really, I really enjoy, I really enjoyed watching. I love the cabinet meetings because it's the Apprentice, you know, and he'll even say, if you don't do that, right, Scott, I'm going to fire you. Yeah, you know, it's fantastic. It's actually.

[Adam Curry]

Made. Yeah, it's definitely the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Apprentice. It's the Apprentice vibe and people should watch that because it really is entertaining. But you also see a president who is running the business of America, which is business. And so I'm watching these farmers and to the left of the president for the viewers, right. It was kind of a good looking woman. Her last name was Kennedy. And so I was like, well, what she got to say, say she's not related to the Kennedys in any way. She's from down south, she's a rice farmer, cute lady. And I kind of like this a lot where the president's like, oh, you got a problem, I'm going to fix.

[Adam Curry]

It. But I wish I was here under better terms. I'll tell you, I think the rice industry thanks you sincerely for what you have done for the California rice market and to Japan. It has been monumental for our industry. But us in the south are really struggling. I mean, this is not just a crisis. I would say it's almost market dynamics that really are true anti competitive nature. Right. So it follows what you, what you sent out this weekend. And we do believe that countries are dumping rice into this country today. We've never seen imports this. Which countries? India, Thailand, even China into Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico used to be one of the largest markets for US Rice. We haven't shipped rice into Puerto Rico in years. So this has been happening for years? This didn't start during your administration, but unfortunately we're seeing it in a much bigger way now. The tariffs are working, but we need to double down because you want more. I mean, well, they're cheating, right? They're, you know, not. They're just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Subsidizing. And.

[Adam Curry]

India. Tell me about India. Why is India that they have to pay tariffs? Do they have an exemption on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rice? No, sir. We're still working on their trade deal.

[Adam Curry]

So. Yeah, but they should be dumping. I mean, I heard that. I heard that from others, so I love.

[John C. Dvorak]

This. Right away goes to bessant. He says, scott, what's up with India? And he's clearly caught flat footed. We're still working on the trade deal, sir. Sir. Hey, hey. Get that done. Stop these guys from dump.

[Adam Curry]

It. Can't do that. There's a WTO case against India. Give me the countries if you could. Go ahead. India, who else? So.

[John C. Dvorak]

India. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Sir. India, Thailand, China. Into Puerto Rico. Not into the. To, you know, continental US but into Puerto Rico. Those are the main culprits. So Puerto Rico used to do a lot of business and now 100% Puerto Rico was you a U. S. Based.

[John C. Dvorak]

Job. All right, so those slanty eyed countries taking advantage of us. Scott, get on it. Otherwise you're fired. Yeah, it felt good to see that. I'm farmer adjacent, so I kind of like.

[Adam Curry]

That. Yeah, but there probably is different kinds of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rice. Here we.

[Adam Curry]

Go. Here we go. Because I already bore people stiff with.

[John C. Dvorak]

My. Do you know how to wash? Do you know how to cut, how to cook basmati rice? People, if it's all in the clean, you got to wash it. You got to wash it three, four times. And only then, only then will your basmati rice be perfect. Did I summarize it.

[Adam Curry]

Well? Well, that's in a ridicule like manner maybe, but I would say that, you know, the Texas long grain rice, which is what we cook mostly in the United States, is not something they grow in India. And I'm not convinced of that, this whining, because the Indian rice in particular, let them jack it up because the Pakistani rice will be cheaper, which is superior. I might mention to Indian rice every.

[John C. Dvorak]

Time. Pocky rice is the.

[Adam Curry]

Best. It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cleaner. Then there was a whole thing that went on about fertilizer, which is very interesting. And of course a report came out about.

[Adam Curry]

That. A new U.S. tariff threat, this time focusing on Canadian fertilizer. A lot of it does come in from Canada, and so we'll end up putting very severe tariffs on that if we have to, because that's the way you want to bolster here, and we can do it here. While Trump provided no specifics on what that severe tariff could look like, it would seriously impact US farmers. Currently, over 95% of potash, a key ingredient in industrial fertilizer, is imported into the U.S. 90% of that comes from Canada, and they start charging and sending very high prices from other countries, whether it's Canada or somebody else. We're not going to let that happen. The latest threat comes days after the President spoke and dance with Prime Minister Mark Carney at the World cup draw in Washington. But that jovial mood hasn't paid off. Outside of potential potash tariffs, Trump doesn't seem interested in restarting trade talks with Canada that he himself called off in October. But Trump seemingly recognized that the US could not make enough fertilizer domestically in November when he previously exempted Canadian potash from all US Duties with China, Russia and Belarus, the only other major potash producers in the world. Canada's agriculture sector is already being hammered by China with 100% duty on canola and a 25% levy on pork. Donna. But a fertilizer tariff would likely be different since the Americans are so reliant on buying Canadian pork.

[John C. Dvorak]

Potash. So this is a. I feel another topic that you will know a lot about about fertilizer. For some reason, I just feel like John's gonna know about potash. He's gonna know about fertilizer. I thought fertilizer was ammonium nitrate and some poop. I mean, now it's potash, which is you. You mine that in. You know, it's like a.

[Adam Curry]

Mineral. Yeah, it's. It's kind of come. It's like. Yeah, actually, you do you mine it like a mineral. It's. Look, it's a potassium source. Source that I guess is needed for a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of. A lot of crops we really don't have. I mean, we, we. If we started to mine, I guess we could. Could make. Can't just turn D.C. upside down and use all that bull crap. Wouldn't that, Wouldn't that.

[Adam Curry]

Work? Yeah, no. Today, potash is a key component in balanced fertilizers alongside nitrogen and phosphorus, supporting overall plant health. It's very.

[John C. Dvorak]

Important. Yeah. Well, the final thing I have on affordability, maybe people should go to the grocery store themselves and stop having it dropped off by.

[Adam Curry]

Inch. There you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go. Yeah. Listen to this. Turning to business news this morning.

[Adam Curry]

You may have heard of dynamic pricing. Well, now Instacart is accused of using, using this controversial practice to charge consumers wildly inconsistent prices on the same products. Maribeli, we're joining us live from NASDAQ with our Market Watch report to explain.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. Oh, this is.

[Adam Curry]

Infuriating. Oh, Alicia. Okay, let's get to it. Food delivery service Instacart is being accused of charging different prices to different customers on the same grocery items without them knowing. Groundwork is a consumer advocacy group says Instacart's pricing algorithm could lead to shoppers paying an extra twelve hundred dollars on groceries annually. Nearly three quarters grocery items is surveyed were sold at different price points. Instacart said the price differences were tests conducted by some retailers to learn, quote, what matters most to consumers. It denied using shoppers personal information to fuel dynamic or customized.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pricing. Yeah, just go get it yourself. They're open until.

[Adam Curry]

10. A lot of places are open all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Night.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's when they do their restocking, usually the smart stores that starting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Midnight.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Yeah, I don't understand it either. I mean, I don't know know if you'd like to cook at all. If you don't like cooking and you don't like shopping, you don't like anything. You're just a dud. You're sitting there, hey, I'm gonna have some milk delivered. They used to have that. You call them milk man. They come by with milk and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Butter. Yep, yep. Yeah, we used to. When I was growing up, you had to put your empties outside and, you know, clank. You'd always wake up at five in the morning when the guy's clanking the, the bottles.

[Adam Curry]

Together. Yeah. Trying to wake you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up. When I was a kid, kid, the milkman woke me up at 5, clanking the empties together. And then one more amazing announcement, although I have not actually seen an executive order published yet, is the tiny cars. We're gonna bring tiny cars.

[Adam Curry]

Back. Yeah. It was actually a really surprising comment that Trump made in the middle of his press conference talking about the Freedom Means Affordable Cars executive order that he signed there. While there's a lot of things around what tiny car, how it could possibly be legal in the States, the biggest thing is crash ratings. That's one of the reasons why we don't have them. We used to have something called the Smart car, if you remember that. Really, really tiny. Still around. Unfortunately, they didn't really sell Here they were low horsepower, they were very small and people didn't seem to really want them. But there's a lot of interest going on with. Oh, well, actually I could use something that's really good on fuel economy, something that's really easy to park and small. Keeping in mind that this is not a highway vehicle. A lot of have under 100 horsepower and they're smaller than a Fiat 500 at about 12ft long. Ish. And they're all Japan exclusive for now, although there are some other types of vehicles that are on sale in Italy and India that are somewhat similar. This would be very, very new for the US market. To have something like this here. I think it would really shake things up for the US.

[John C. Dvorak]

Consumer. So here he. I guess he's changing or undoing the corporate average fuel economy.

[Adam Curry]

Standards. Yeah, for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure. Which makes a lot of sense. We can bring back Volkswagen.

[Adam Curry]

Diesels. But that, that little. Remember.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. Remember when they faked their.

[Adam Curry]

Tests? Yeah. I always suspected when I was in Sweden, they put us on the track with the, with the Volvo diesels. And I always thought something was fishy with these things because they just excel. I've never. Because I've driven diesels. Everyone has. And they. These things, these, this new style of diesel, which is the one Volkswagen used, the same design, they just went like bats out of hell. I mean, it was astonishingly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Quick. Yeah. You don't even, you don't even notice.

[Adam Curry]

It. You wouldn't even know it was a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Diesel. No. Except in Europe they had the diesels. But you have to get the blue. The blue stuff, which is, you know, the, like, the. What do they call it? It's not AX Blue.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Oh, that, that, that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Liquid.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. I guess it has to be injected to keep the pollution down. Yeah. That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Horrible. The scam. It's a.

[Adam Curry]

Scam. Yeah, it's a scam. It's a total scam. The car won't work without it. If it run it. If you run.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out. Oh, yeah, the, the, the indicator will. Yeah, the blue. Blue stuff. What is it? What is it called? AD Blue. That's what it's called. AD Blue. Add blue, which you can only get from China. Yeah, we should get. Get rid of that too. It would make everything a lot easier and cheaper. But I look forward to my $14,000 car. That would be.

[Adam Curry]

Nice. That little car they're Talking about goes 28 miles an hour max. They didn't mention that in the report, did.

[John C. Dvorak]

They? No. Well, a lot of people are like, oh, yeah, I can finally, finally get that $14,000 Toyota truck. Apparently there's some really.

[Adam Curry]

Elgin. Oh, yeah, the Toyota truck. Everybody wants that. It's a small truck. They used to sell it in this country back in the 70s. It was. It's like a half size pickup truck with a big bed. So it's very handy and it's got great gas mileage. It's small. Toyota. And they took it off the market for some reason or other during one of the administrations by someone or Clinton, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Think.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And. Yeah, we can't have this anymore. And so it ruined the market for small.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pickups.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Now it's back. That's a winner, that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thing. So it's called def. Yeah, def. That's pig urine. Remember we did a whole show about pig.

[Adam Curry]

Urine. Oh, that's right. The pig urine goes into the gasoline, into the diesel fuel. Yeah. That's just the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Greatest. Meanwhile, only a tiny, tiny elite controls all of the money in the.

[Adam Curry]

World. World A new world inequality report warns that fewer than 60,000 of the world's richest people own more wealth than half of the entire world put together. The report highlights extreme gaps in income and wealth which translate into unequal distribution of political power. A global elite amounting to 0.001% of the population is three times wealthier than the bottom 50%. At the same time, the top tier contributes disproportionately little to public finances. Middle class workers on a high professional salary such as doctors, teachers and engineers pay a higher share of their income in tax than a billionaire whose wealth is based on offshore structures or capital gains. Global wealth inequality also leads to an unequal contribution to climate change. Well.

[John C. Dvorak]

You'Re. Wait, haven't another one. Solace. Solastalgia. Have you heard of this.

[Adam Curry]

Disease? Well, I want to stay with it with the rich people first because I have a series because they're trying to institute a wealth tax now. And you know me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well. That's what this is about. That's what that whole clip is about. Based on climate change.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. What? Climate. Whatever. But in California they're trying to institute a wealth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tax.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. On the billionaires. And it's all revealed in my untitled clip. One talk about a wealth tax is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back. Maybe because of the stunning increase in unaffordability and inequity, Oxfam reported on.

[Adam Curry]

The work of three French economists who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Found that around the world the top.

[Adam Curry]

1% of people own about 43%, almost.

[John C. Dvorak]

Half of the world's total.

[Adam Curry]

Wealth. Could a wealth tax spread throughout around a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Little? This this is no coincidence that Euro News had that report and now. And this is from where.

[Adam Curry]

Npr? Yep. Yeah, no coincidence whatsoever. That's why, that's why it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting. Now most of us are taxed on paychecks. What we make a wealth tax.

[Adam Curry]

Is the concept of taxing billionaires on.

[John C. Dvorak]

What they own, which might include a few Picassos and an NBA team. Patricia Cohen of the New York.

[Adam Curry]

Times reports that Norway, Switzerland and Spain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Already have wealth tax taxes. Bolivia has an impuesto a las.

[Adam Curry]

Grandes fortunas or tax on grand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fortunes. There are heated debates in France and in Britain. One survey shows 75% of people in the UK support this.

[Adam Curry]

Idea. Well, here at home, California recently.

[John C. Dvorak]

Proposed Billionaire tax act, a one time 5% tax on the worth of California's billionaires to pay for health care and education in the state. They can exclude retirement accounts and up to 5 million in assets like cars and expensive handbags. But what are the pros and.

[Adam Curry]

Cons? Christina Llewellyn is a professor at.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Poole College of Management at North Carolina State.

[Adam Curry]

University. Among her recent articles on the university's website is the pros and cons of wealth taxes. That works out well for us. Professor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Llewellyn. Christina.

[Adam Curry]

Welcome. Thank you so much. I'm really happy to be here. And thank you for having.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me. Yeah, just what we're looking for.

[Adam Curry]

It's, that's exactly why I ended.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. If, if you want to solve the problem, get rid of central banks. How about that? It's a wealth tax. This is.

[Adam Curry]

Dumb. Well, I wrote a column on wealth tax which I think is better than income tax, but they're not doing it that way. They want to have it on top of income tax, which is not the idea. And it's on my substack devorah. Substack.com Go look at it and you can read. You look it up. It's, I wrote it years ago, I keep talking about it, but it's not 5% of a billionaire. It's, you know, everybody gets taxed a little bit. But whatever the case, this is like nonsense if you want to play Morris part two. So a quick example which you outline. NBA player LeBron James made over $47 million in the 2425.

[John C. Dvorak]

Season. Yeah. Go after the black man and.

[Adam Curry]

Was taxed at 37% on most of his.

[John C. Dvorak]

Income. But then you give the example of Mark.

[Adam Curry]

Zuckerberg.

[John C. Dvorak]

Zuckerberg. Wait a minute, there's, there's like a double whammy in here. Like, oh, the black man who Made it rich. He gets taxed 37%. But the White Jew man, no, no, no. Controlling shareholder of.

[Adam Curry]

Meta. Right, exactly. So Mark Zuckerberg, he only receives a dollar in salaries, but he has a substantial amount of wealth accumulated. So if we pose a 5% tax on that, it would generate a substantial amount of revenue. He does have 209.4 billion worth. Remembering every one of those billions is 1000 million. And, and then this proposed 5% wealth tax for him would be just 10 billion off 209.

[John C. Dvorak]

Billion. And someone's like, well, that's not going to.

[Adam Curry]

Hurt. But the issue with this is really, just because he has this wealth doesn't mean that he has the amount of money laying around to pay this tax. Many wealthy people, their money is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tied up in their assets, so they.

[Adam Curry]

Don'T necessarily keep a lot of cash laying around. They invest it in, in other sources of wealth that can help generate more investment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Income. What might the solutions there.

[Adam Curry]

Be? A different solution could be to tax the investment income at a higher tax rate. If he receives dividends or capital gains on stock that he does sell, we could tax that at a higher rate. But some have suggested, well, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Know, some of these billionaires we're talking.

[Adam Curry]

About, you know, maybe have 11 houses in one case. Couldn't they sell off some of their assets? Or would that be seen as being. Yes, and that's a great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Point. It's like.

[Adam Curry]

Normal. When we think of about tax policy principles, one thing that we don't want to do is cause taxpayers to make decisions that they wouldn't otherwise do just because of taxes imposed. So that's normally thought of as kind of a bad tax policy. Well, I think this brings us to unrealized.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gains. You mentioned others. In the short term, they get.

[Adam Curry]

Dividends, the cash back from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Investments. Those are taxed and realized. Unrealized gains are the increase in value of investments. On paper, you know, this value doesn't trigger taxes until those investments are sold. And there's a suggestion to tax.

[Adam Curry]

This increase in value before sale in the increase in other assets as.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well. This will never happen. No one's.

[Adam Curry]

Gonna. No, it can't. It would ruin. It would kill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everything. It would ruin my Bitcoin stash.

[Adam Curry]

Man. Oh yeah, it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would. Yes. This is often discussed by the way. Bitcoin fixes all of this, but okay, we'll keep with. Yeah, it does. It does. If we all use Bitcoin, there will be no more.

[Adam Curry]

Wars. There would be a perfect life.

[John C. Dvorak]

Free sex, tons of it. In my concubine in my polycule. All right, do we have to listen to more? Is there.

[Adam Curry]

More? No, we don't have to listen to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anything. Well, if you think it's important, it's.

[Adam Curry]

Important. I mean, you think you got the job. Gist of it. It's just like they're trying to, well, actually skip three and go to the last clip because they thought they at least have a little rap. We'll stay with.

[John C. Dvorak]

California. This just affects 200 people in California. 200 billionaires. And the SEIU UHW union estimates that it would raise 100.

[Adam Curry]

Billion. Yeah, that's. It's a substantial amount of money. There are definitely costs and benefits of this, and they just really have to decide if the. The substantial amount of revenue that they generate is going to be worth that administrative burden that they're going to place on taxpayers and the tax.

[John C. Dvorak]

Authority. Yeah. By the way, this is not a new.

[Adam Curry]

Idea. 17th century Massachusetts colonists imposed a wealth tax on holdings. Land, ship, jewelry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Livestock. There were just a lot fewer people to.

[Adam Curry]

Check. Right, exactly. Fewer people. And I think people had probably less complex arrangements back then. And I mean, although we. We don't normally think about this even a real estate tax for property tax, it's based on how much your. Your real estate assets worth at that point in time. But real estate's pretty easy to value, and they have, you know, specialists at. At the jurisdictions that do that. But yeah, you're right. These taxes have been around for. For a long time in different.

[John C. Dvorak]

Forms. Yeah, two people get salaries for that conversation. That's. That's just. That's.

[Adam Curry]

Horrible. But one of them didn't get paid for it. This is the volunteer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Professor. Oh, she's a volun. Your.

[Adam Curry]

Professor? No, she's a professor. She gets paid to be a professor. She doesn't get paid to talk to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Npr. Yeah, she gets paid to do this dumb.

[Adam Curry]

Research. Research on the wealth tax. The wealth tax is not a bad idea if it's applied with. To everyone, not just to, you know, you take a billionaire and gouge. This is just. It's called amongst the rich people. They always like to use this term, soaking the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rich. Yes. And you're. It's going to happen to you out there in California. The longer you stay, they're like.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Devora thinks this is a pendulum. You ever heard of this? The pendulum.

[John C. Dvorak]

Swings. Yeah. Enjoy. Enjoy the pendulum that knocks you in the head when it swings swinging.

[Adam Curry]

Back. It's already swinging back. With Gavin Newsom being. He's gonna be ousted. We're gonna put in. Yeah. The next person, Tom Styer, is gonna be the next.

[John C. Dvorak]

Governor. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's gonna be great. But don't say I didn't warn you. Don't say I didn't warn you, okay? Because you know, we can't come guns ablazing across the. The. The country border of California. When you guys secede, I'm not gonna be able to.

[Adam Curry]

Help. Well, when we succeed, we succeed. It's just the way it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is. And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say the morning to you, the man who put the C in the capital gains tax. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Name some nights out.

[John C. Dvorak]

There. Yo. In the morning, trolls. How you doing? Let me count you for a second. Well, 1,497. So we're still 300 trolls short, but it's amazing. So many. It's like a big studio audience and sitting in the troll room. Many of them, which we love to see. You have all there. Well, I was going to say something. What did I have here? Didn't I have something in my donation.

[Adam Curry]

Segment? Yeah, there was something you said you were going to talk.

[John C. Dvorak]

About. I don't.

[Adam Curry]

Remember. I'm going to write it down so I can talk about it. I'm not going to make that mistake again. You.

[John C. Dvorak]

Said. I did not. I didn't say anything like that. I have no idea what I was talking about. What I am talking about is that we are a value for value podcast, which means we appreciate when people support us however you feel like supporting us. Time, talent, treasure. I was just consulting my. My nephew in the Netherlands. He's like, hey, Uncle, I want to start a podcast. That's what every uncle wants to.

[Adam Curry]

Hear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I'm gonna start a podcast and say, okay, here's the rules. One, you've got to release on the same day, around the same time, consistently, always ways. Because people start to.

[Adam Curry]

Shape. Nobody does that. They can't do it. That's the hardest thing to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do. But we're pretty good at.

[Adam Curry]

It. The thing that there's two hard things to do. Just not to interrupt. But I'm going to interrupt anyway. Two hard things to do. One is to do the podcast exactly the same time every day for 18.

[John C. Dvorak]

Years.

[Adam Curry]

Yep. And the other one is to do the podcast for 18 years. Most people can't get past a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Year. Seven episodes, I think is the. The pod.

[Adam Curry]

Phase. You actually would know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Number. Yes. Seven episodes is the pod fade number.

[Adam Curry]

Number.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. And I also said you need to do value for value right away from the beginning. He says, really? He said, yes, right away. And if someone sends you €5, you gotta thank them on the next segment. And don't make it a set amount. Let him donate whatever. And I showed him those are good rules. Showed him our boob donations. And then the last thing I said was, when you're out of material and the ship show, then it's done. Don't worry about, oh, I need to make exactly 55 minutes now. Just when you're out of material, just end it. But when you're bored of yourself or your, your, your partner, if you're bored of each other, stop. Just end the show there. But it's, but it's really true.

[Adam Curry]

About same time, which is the only thing we don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do. Yeah, we do. Yeah, we, we end it when we're done with like all the time. Like.

[Adam Curry]

Joke. It's a joke. It was meant to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fun. Funny. Yeah. Okay. I mean, you literally carried us way beyond, way too long.

[Adam Curry]

With. It's always my fault. Just blame poor John. I was over there in California, the horrible state that it is. Hey, I have to live.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here. You don't have to live there. There's no.

[Adam Curry]

Reason. No, there's a lot of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Reasons. Give me.

[Adam Curry]

One. Prop 13.

[John C. Dvorak]

Taxes. What is that? What's Prop.

[Adam Curry]

13? That means my tax bill has been frozen since, since I. The day I bought this.

[John C. Dvorak]

House. Oh, you're probably about your property.

[Adam Curry]

But some screwballs raising the property taxes for no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Reason. Oh, that's kind of cool. But yeah. Yeah. So you're in it for the money. All right. I hope it's worth.

[Adam Curry]

It. And the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Weather. Oh, and the weather. All I hear you is moaning, it's too hot, it's too cold. I.

[Adam Curry]

Never. But that's by. Too cold to me is like.

[John C. Dvorak]

60. I've never heard you say it's beautiful here a.

[Adam Curry]

Day. That's what we do in California because we expect the weather to be 76 with about 40% humidity every day. That's when it's beautiful and sunny, but not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Windy. All right, all right. Hey, you. Do you boo. It's all good with me. So anyway, I told him that and I said, do you remember when we switched from 11am Central Time to 1pm Central Time? People lost their ever loving minds after.

[Adam Curry]

Like. That was about 10 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ago. No, five. Five years.

[Adam Curry]

Ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. So it was when we moved here. Yeah, I'm quite sure. And people were mad. I live in Europe. It's too Late for me now. Well I can't believe took it was months. It was at least six.

[Adam Curry]

Months. People were very much liked it. I think they could listen to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get up early listen well anyway one of the other ways people can help just talking about value for value. Value number 4 value.info if anyone's interested is by contributing assets to the show Assets. You can give us assets like clips. You know I got a lot of end of show isos. All real of course because people now see it as their personal mission. Like Ed duborack with his AI. ISOs do something about that artwork is another other way and we are very appreciative of all of. I was interviewed by a South African podcaster yesterday says I love it all your art is. You have fresh new art for every single.

[Adam Curry]

Episode. So yeah so the guys are the South African guys from.

[John C. Dvorak]

England. They have. I'm trying to do it. It's. It's kind of an English Africana.

[Adam Curry]

Accent is kind of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dutch. It's not only when they. They speak South Africans which doesn't sound sound. You know it's Dutch words kind of but they have a weird British more British sounding accent than. Than Dutch. Anyway Blue Acorn came in with. Yeah we just thought it was. It was something about it. It was Uncle Stan Uncle Sam doing a cannonball right onto a drug. Right onto a drug.

[Adam Curry]

Boat. It was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Humorous. It was humorous. That's the word. No agenda art generator.com is where you can upload upload your your AI prompted slop which is what most of it is these days. The Although Blue Acorn. Blue Acorn. No Blue Acorn has some done some originals and we still have ness works out there and there's people doing things. We looked at other art comics or blogger a lot of cheesecake. Blue Acorn also did trump with a. With the kiss tongue which definitely was too gruesome. And you know you're making it too complicated. People you're way too in the details of these. Of these pictures. We don't need you know like really detailed scenery. It doesn't work on small album art has to be big in your face and funny and people are really trying to do like cutesy little little. Well I guess the AI is doing that. You know what I mean? What am I trying to.

[Adam Curry]

Say? Well it's like safe and effective by Jeffrey Ray with the bottle and all this. Everything was so small. You couldn't really deconstruct the narrative which not we deconstruct media not the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Narrative. But that's in the background there's.

[Adam Curry]

Newspapers. Safe and effective remedy for media malaise. You can't read it. It's too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Small.

[Adam Curry]

Out. Secretary of egg from Jeffrey Wray. The secretary of egg is too small. Can't read.

[John C. Dvorak]

It.

[Adam Curry]

Yep. And then there was the blue acorns. Chicken head. Secretary of egg is just kind of gruesome in some odd way. I can't tell you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why. It was a little gruesome. Yeah. So you know, don't try to do cute scenery. It has to be in your face. It has to be up front big. Make it clear. Put that in. And then the nut fisting by blue AK Corn. First of all, it wasn't fisting. Santa wasn't fisting the.

[Adam Curry]

Nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. And they were like. They still had the shells on.

[Adam Curry]

Them. Yeah, peanuts with shells on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Them. That's.

[Adam Curry]

Wrong. You can. You know, if you're gonna get your. If the AI comes out like that, don't. Don't put it on the. On.

[John C. Dvorak]

The. Yeah. You're just embarrassing yourself. So that's one way you can.

[Adam Curry]

Contribute. Just embarrassing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Embarrassing. You can also contribute by supporting us financially. And we always appreciate that. We thank everybody $50 and above. And in this segment is where we thank what we call our. Not just call but who are credited as our executive and associate executive producers. Why? You ask why? Because $200 or above we read your note and you get that associate executive producer title. $300 above executive producer title. And we also read your note. All these titles can be entered into IMDb.com for Hollywood clout. And we start off with a note from Horton. Horton who comes in with the rubbleizer donation.

[Adam Curry]

$3,333.33. India tango mike standby 33. 33.

[John C. Dvorak]

33. Rubbleizer out. Wow. Was this the guy who kept promising.

[Adam Curry]

It? No, no, no. This is a different guy. This guy's is a first time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Donor. Wow. So he gets a de douching as well. I guess we.

[Adam Curry]

Should. You've been de.

[John C. Dvorak]

Douched. Now he. He asks for. This is to be read in a southern draw. Southern redneck.

[Adam Curry]

Drawl. Which dog like that. You can do.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. ATM cracking buzz. I hope this note finds you well. First time donor. Please deduce me. I'll deduce you again.

[Adam Curry]

Soon. You've been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Douche. I was hit in the mouth more than four years ago. I'm not my southern black man. By Ben and his lovely wife.

[Adam Curry]

Rel. Starting to go. Starting to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go. Georgia. While exploring the ancient sites in Peru call out on the UnchartedX website and YouTube channel for awesome content. Please night me sir Horton of the who. And I request to be baron of Whoville. As a homeless nomad wondering wandering the world. Your global content, especially Africa news and insightful analysis helps me stay on the bleeding edge of OPS obfuscation and calumny calumny spread by the M5M for all producers looking for that special gift to convey just how much you care. My tip of the day is the gift of a Toto washlet bidet. That would be a bidet for you northerners. B debt. Environmentally sustainable and sweet to your loved ones privates. Thank you for your service. Can I have some Lua coffee? Coffee. A luoc coffee at the round table and send me off with a long version of the F. F35 comma that's. I'll have to invent that. Rev Al resists we much along with the COVID coveted rubberizer jingle. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Horton P. S looking forward to seeing the special rubberizer challenge coin. Well, we'll do it all in one go for.

[Adam Curry]

You.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? One more. India Tango Mike.

[Adam Curry]

Standby. 33, 33.

[John C. Dvorak]

33. Rubberizer.

[Adam Curry]

Out. But resist we much, we must and we will much about that. Be committed. You've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma. There you go. And he was wanted. Luwak coffee. Luwak.

[Adam Curry]

Yes? Nothing. Ian Hickey's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up. Oh, I thought you had something to say. Well, thank you very much, Horton. That is. That really helps out today especially. Thank you. Appreciate it. Luwak coffee. Got.

[Adam Curry]

It. And I will analyze your southern redneck. That was actually a Texas accent. Yeah, it did drift to Georgia a little.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bit.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. But it was the regular Texas accent that people would normally have to. Not the. My favorite one was, which is Fort Worth, where he's constantly making noise because you're talking siblings. Onward.

[John C. Dvorak]

To. Oh, yes. Ian.

[Adam Curry]

Hickey. Ian Hickey. Williamsport, Pennsylvania. And he came with a thousand thanks for the show. He writes, I was introduced to you the show in 2025 June. I have not been a daily listener. However, I value your time and effort. I very much enjoy your perspective and banter. Well, we had a lot of banter today. Romans 5, 6, 8. Please read on the air. Fellow brother in Christ, ian.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hickey. Romans 5, 6, 8. New IV. You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person, someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this while we were still sinners. Christ died for us. There you go. Thank you, Ian. I think you get an international peace prize for that, Sir. Hare Heel in White Salmon, Washington, 333.33. He wants F cancer and a jobs. Karma. He says, here's to another year of Noah and four more after that, Sir Hare heel. All.

[Adam Curry]

Right. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma. Christopher Graves is up. He's in Mount Occam. That's in California somewhere. No matter what you do this holiday, he writes, make sure you validate value. Make sure those you value. Make sure those you value know their worth. So that's why he gave us.

[John C. Dvorak]

$242. There you.

[Adam Curry]

Go. So donate to the no Agenda show at. Oh, my goodness. At Little John's Candies, we make our toffee. They must be selling a lot of toffee fresh in our kitchen. And ship it to your door. We will gift wrap it at no extra charge, including your personal holiday note. Go to little johnscandies.com that's little johnscandies.com and use the code ITM10+10 and save 10% for yourself. And while donating 10% to the show. So in other words, he's gotten 24 boxes sold there, it looks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Holiday sales, karma. And happy holidays to our fellow small business owners during the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Season. These people are so nice. Little johnscandies.com so I'd mention on the show that we were saving the toffee. They sent us to have it with the kids. Kids. And they immediately sent in, oh, our toffees are very butter heavy and they don't keep as long as you think. So you got to put them in the in the freezer or in the fridge. And Justin, good tip is a very good tip. And just in case they said, go to your PO Box on Saturday, we've got more coming for you. I love these people. At Little John's Candies, you've got karma. Gwen Sabiski is in Kettering, Ohio. And Gwen sends us a row of ducks. 222.22 and has a note in the morning. Gentlemen, this is a written note. This row of ducks is a birthday December 10th donation for my sister, Beth Booze Johnson. She hit me in the mouth about five years ago and I love it. She and I walk together most days and usually discuss the latest shows. We find your analysis spot on and very helpful. She is a regular donor, so no deduching needed. But they always give me a biscuit on my birthday. And Shut up slave would be welcome. God bless you both. Thank you for your courage, peace and joy from Gwen.

[Adam Curry]

Gabiski. They always give me a biscuit on my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Birthday. Shut up Slave. There you go, Gwen. Thank you very.

[Adam Curry]

Much. I think that was Gwen Sobisky. Not go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bisky. Oh, I'm sorry, Sobieski. So Bisky. Yes, Gwen Sobisky. It was cut off on the note. I was reading it. Couldn't see it. Yes. Thank.

[Adam Curry]

You. Eli the coffee guy. He's up already. Bensonville, IL 212 12. It's the 11th. 12th. Today's the.

[John C. Dvorak]

12. No, it's the 12th. Man, I don't care what you say. Even Eli the coffee guy knows it. It's the.

[Adam Curry]

12Th. It's the final stretch before Christmas and plenty of us are still doing the last minute show shuffle. No worries. Gigawatts got your back. We're running a sampler pack sale this weekend, which would be a good idea because you can get a good sense of things. So if you need a gift that won't end up in the re gift pile, you don't want to keep coffee forever, visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and give the gift of fresh roasted coffee to someone or yourself today. Stay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Caffeinated. Eli the coffee Guy I think some Gigawatt coffee will be great as a white elephant gift. You know the white elephant? No, the white elephant gift where everybody brings a gift and then you just take.

[Adam Curry]

One. Is there a white elephant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Involved? You clearly don't get out. You don't have any friends for a white elephant gift giving.

[Adam Curry]

Party. I haven't seen a white elephant gift giving party my entire life. Even when I got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out. And winding it up, our final associate executive producer, $200. Linda Loupatkin from Castle Rock Colorad. We still don't know if she moves, but that's where she's from now and she wants jobs, karma and says, hey, why don't you give the gift of a resume that gets results this Christmas? Go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all of your executive resume and job search needs. That's Imagemakers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lu. She is the duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Oh and P.S. here it is. I moved to Castle Rock because the loony left policies of Denver were creeping into late Lakewood. See, this is what you should take to heart, John. She knows when it's time to move. Linda Lou, the duchess of jobs and writer winning resumes. She moved and you're just, you're, you're just sticking it out close to the.

[Adam Curry]

Fire. Jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Well, that find us protective to be around the loony.

[John C. Dvorak]

Left. Yeah, well, they have masks on so you won't get.

[Adam Curry]

Sick. You don't have to worry about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Catching anything or even looking at their faces. Yeah, that's pretty good. Thank you very much to the executive and associate executive producers for episode 1824, the best podcast in the universe. Please go to IMDb.com enter that information and have a link to the show notes because we always put it there proudly. And thank you for supporting the show. Thank you to our rebelizer, our Insta Knights and Peace Prize awardees. It is very much appreciated. We'll be thanking $50 and above the rest of our producers in the second segment. Once again, congratulations and thank you for supporting the no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Show. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order.

[John C. Dvorak]

Order. Shut up, slave. Shut.

[Adam Curry]

Up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sleep. I had a bobby. The OP has been out and about making Maha Maha making America healthy again. And it's very interesting. The things he's saying, the things he's doing. He really wants to change airport food, which I thought was rather amusing. And not just airport food. I fly typically over the past 30 years, probably average 250 days a year in airports. And I can tell you this is where healthy diets go to die. The food that's available in the airport, a lot of it tastes very good, but it's not very good for you. It's deep fried food, it's sugar bombs, it's ultra processed foods. And all of them are going to leave you sicker than before you ate them. And one of the things that Secretary Duffy is encouraging these airports to do is to open up new options like the one you see behind you. Farmer's fridge is the availability of nursing spaces, nursing pods, nursing rooms. The all of the ingenuity of corporate America, all the resources, all the resourcefulness has not produced an infant form formula that is superior in nutrition and all the qualities that we want to the infant formula that God made, which is the infant formula in a mother's breast. We at HHS are encouraging mothers.

[Adam Curry]

To breastfeed as long as possible because.

[John C. Dvorak]

There is no better food for your brain, for your gut microbiome, for your physical correct growth, for your emotional growth. And what's in God given breast milk? I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

If. So wait, let me get this straight. So they're going to change the airport food to mother's milk. Is that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right? Yeah, I think, I think it was very strange combination that he. One, two punch he had.

[Adam Curry]

There. And then he also was doing pull.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ups. Oh, I missed, I missed the pull.

[Adam Curry]

Ups. Oh no. He's gonna watch gyms in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the, in the.

[Adam Curry]

Air. Yeah. And so he. Him and, and Duffy, I guess it's Duffy were there doing pull ups. And, and Duffy can do pull ups better than Kennedy. It's kind of funny. I never thought of.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. Well, here.

[Adam Curry]

Was. But they're doing these pull ups and Kennedy as he's doing them, he's, you know, he's got, he's wearing a dress. The hilt. Of course, he's always fully dressed when he does exercise. And, and his armpits were all soaked. So I'm. So I'm to understand that you're going to have people work out just before they get on a plane so they so stink to high heaven when they sit next to you. This is not a good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Idea. Well, I, I wasn't sure what to make of it myself. I mean, he went from Cinnabons to, to breast milk. It was just, it was a.

[Adam Curry]

Bit, you know, the San Francisco Airport, for example, I don't know if he flies anything but private because most airports, big airports, they have a food court that has a lot of good food in it. Not, not just processed food.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crap. Well, another reason to stay in California. The airport food is.

[Adam Curry]

Delightful. It's not bad. I'm telling you, the San Francisco's got a couple of Chinese restaurants, his airport food. It's not. I got. I got to ask for.

[John C. Dvorak]

You. No, wait. I want to finish with my second Bobby the op clip because, oh, Bobby's still up. He said something that we all knew, but now he says it. So now people are. Oh, really? There's a chemical. Now the second most used chemical in this country, pesticide in this country is atrazine. It's banned in Europe, banned all over the world, but we use it here. It's in 63% of our drinking water. There's a famous African American scientist.

[Adam Curry]

Named Tyler Hayes who's at the University of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Berkeley. He did a famous experiment that anybody should look up on the Internet. There's no such thing as.

[Adam Curry]

What? University of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Berkeley. Okay, but I thought it was interesting he had to say it was African American. How about there's an American scientist, but okay, there's a famous African American scientist named.

[Adam Curry]

Tyler. Good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Point. It's.

[Adam Curry]

Unnecessary. That's his background as a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Democrat. Yes, there's. There's the Democrat coming out. Hey, man, I'm virtue signaling to y'. All. He's African American. Okay, who's at the University of Berkeley? He did a famous experiment that anybody can look up on the Internet. He put 70 African water frogs in a. An aquarium. He put atrazine in the water of that aquarium. That was less than EPA's.

[Adam Curry]

Level. So it's less than the levels.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have in 63% of our water supply. 60 of those frogs became sterile. They're all male frogs. 60 became sterile. 10% of those frogs turned.

[Adam Curry]

Female. And they were able to join the frogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gang. So it changed their sex. And of course, normally, you know, when you see something like that in an animal model, the first thing you want to do is test it. In a mammalian model and then a human model, those tests were never done. I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the frigging frogs.

[Adam Curry]

Gay. Yeah, we actually had the clip at least 10 years ago of that professor at Cal Berkeley on this show discussing this in great detail because he was on the Amy Goodman show telling us about this. And it was over a decade.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ago. Really. And.

[Adam Curry]

I'm. Yeah, you can look it up. I mean, just look up atrazine in your database. You'll probably find.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. 20. I have 2017. I don't know who that was. Let me.

[Adam Curry]

See. This was the gender bending nature of this drug.

[John C. Dvorak]

Atrazine. Nailed it. Well, initially we found that the larynx or the voice box in exposed males didn't grow properly. Oh, there's Bobby right there. His voice box didn't grow properly because the frogs are turning gay with the water he's.

[Adam Curry]

Drinking. You know, since this is an old clip from a decade ago, it may now that you. Now that you're playing. New.

[John C. Dvorak]

Information. New information.

[Adam Curry]

Man. And this was an indication that the male hormone testosterone was not being produced. Produced at appropriate levels. And eventually we found that not only were these males demasculated or chemically castrated, but they also were starting to develop ovaries or starting to develop eggs. And eventually we discovered that these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Males didn't breed properly, that some of.

[Adam Curry]

The males actually completely turned into females. So we had genetic males that were laying eggs and reproducing as females. And now we're starting to show that some of these males actually show, I guess what we'd call homosexual behavior. They actually prefer to mate with other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Males. Yeah, left that out, Bobby. The op. You left out the gay part. Very important. I'm glad you called for that, John. And our fantastic sister in our ridiculous archives pulled it up right away. That is the truth from the man himself. The African American son.

[Adam Curry]

Scientist. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Too bad it was Amy Goodman, but otherwise.

[Adam Curry]

Dynamite. Nobody else would put the guy on. Yeah, that's the real problem. You get. Amy Goodman gets credit for stuff she shouldn't get credit for because the rest of the media is so damned.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lazy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So a couple. Well, I have a donor. I do have a ask.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam. But you already got this. You already had a failed.

[Adam Curry]

One. Yeah, I know. That was a botch. What was Pornhub's most searched term of 2025 in the United States?

[John C. Dvorak]

States. Oh, let me. I'm not looking it up. I'm literally just trying to think. Pornhub's most searched term. So we're pretty. We're pretty degenerate here in America. I would say Midget.

[Adam Curry]

Porn. Lesbian. Really? Yeah. Lesbian is number one. But worldwide it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hentai.

[Adam Curry]

Hentai. Yeah. Anime porn, followed by milf. Pena, which is a Filipino lesbian, is like fourth on the national international list. And anal. And here's an interesting little point. Yeah. We need to know. This is very important information now on the search date. This is a very interesting part. Sfw not safe for work. Content is somehow encrypted, increasing on the very much not safe for worth. Pornhub SFWASMR is up 56%, for example. Meanwhile, the podcast category has soared.

[John C. Dvorak]

327%. The podcast category of what.

[Adam Curry]

Search. They search for podcasts and on pornhub, they're looking for a porn. This is an opportunity.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here. We need to up. Let me see. First, let me see if we're even on Spotify yet. We've been tracking this for a week and a half. And let's see, I'm logging into creators Spotify.com and it's. It's thinking about it and. Wow. They deleted my. My. My entire.

[Adam Curry]

Entry. What? Yeah, that's because you've been bad mouthing them for years and years. It's probably. There's probably a non disparagement clause in their.

[John C. Dvorak]

Contract. Oh, man. They. They're like, no, no, you can't upload this podcast. So how.

[Adam Curry]

Do. After they were stealing.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. Yeah, how. How do we upload to.

[Adam Curry]

Pornhub? We need to upload a podcast to Pornhub. There we go. Except 327, there's got to be people asking for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Podcasts. We got to be there. This. It's a. Imagine that the hot new place for podcasts is pornhub by the way I should probably play this since we're.

[Adam Curry]

Talk new podcast award season is in full swing, and this morning we now know who's nominated for a Golden.

[John C. Dvorak]

Globe. But for the first time, we now know which podcasts are nominated. Podcast. Oh, the.

[Adam Curry]

Podcast. Best podcast. Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wandering. Call her daddy. SiriusXM caller. Daddy.

[Adam Curry]

Good. Hang with Amy Poehler. Spotify, Damell Robbins podcast. Sirius XM Smartless. SiriusXM. Up first, NPR. Okay, so those are some big names and big podcasts worth noting. Smartless, which includes host Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett. Well, Will's ex wife is Amy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Poehler, so they're in the same.

[Adam Curry]

Category. So it could be a little bit friendly competition. Now, I'm gonna just say this because I've already seen articles and I've already seen comments on social media and people are saying, I know you already know. Why did Joe Rogan's podcast not getting on is the number one podcast. Listen to you and I and.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of people in the industry know.

[Adam Curry]

Firsthand. You have to submit your podcast. It's called for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Consideration. If Joe Rogan and his team.

[Adam Curry]

Didn'T not want to submit their podcast, they wouldn't have been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nominated.

[Adam Curry]

$500.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? Yep.

[Adam Curry]

$500. Another scam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Award. Well, you know, I'm still waiting for you to set it up. You know, I said I'm good to go. The Podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Awards. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Yeah. What.

[Adam Curry]

Else? One reminder is all I'll.

[John C. Dvorak]

Need. What else you gonna do with your.

[Adam Curry]

Time? Well, apparently I'm not gonna go out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shopping. You're.

[Adam Curry]

Watching. I got a clip here of. Oh, by the way, since you're talking about entertainment, you might as well play this, which is the Iceland boycott of your favorite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Event. Oh, yes, of course. Iceland has joined four other European countries boycotting next year's Eurovision Song Contest because of Israel's participation. The Icelandic National Broadcasting Service said the European Broadcasting Union's decision last week to green light Israel had damaged the contest's reputation. Yeah, it turns out there's a little bit more to it. This is the Boycott Divest and. What is.

[Adam Curry]

It? Boycott Divest and BDS or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something. Boycott Divest, something. These are all countries whose governments are still buying Israeli military technology. So it's coerced, coordinated. It's coordinated against the.

[Adam Curry]

Governments. The whole thing is dubious because you have Iceland. What is Iceland got to do with anything going on in the Middle east one way or the other? Yeah, it's nothing. That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

What. No, of course not. They don't.

[Adam Curry]

Care. So they're getting. Oh, I'm gonna. We're gonna boycott. What? What garbage. This is like the lefties doing something. I had two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clips. Now let me play a clip here because you interrupted me before the whole donation.

[Adam Curry]

Segment. I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did? Yes. I wanted to talk to you about solastalgia because you might be suffering from.

[Adam Curry]

It. What is it? Solastalgia is a term coined to describe the distress people feel when their home environment is damaged. It's been linked to a significant mental health strain. A review published in BMJ Mental Health looked at research from countries including Australia, Germany, Peru and the United States. It found that people experiencing solastalgia, often due to climate change, mining or natural disasters, had higher rates of anxiety, depression and psychological distress. The evidence also suggests that the stronger a person's emotional connection was to where they live, the greater their distress over changes or degradation to the environment. The study authors say more long term research is needed to fully understand how solastalgia affects mental health in the long term. But they urge communities and health professionals to recognize it as a real measurable source of psychological.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stress. Seven out of 10 doctors and the American Psychology association recommend listening to the no agenda show to reduce the symptoms of solace.

[Adam Curry]

Nostalgia. I've heard.

[John C. Dvorak]

That.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Now I have a climate. You might as well play my climate change WTF clip which is pronounced.

[John C. Dvorak]

Limit change. Okay. In 30 minutes. Keep up to date with News Hour at 21 GMT. It's the climate question asking what does the ocean do for us and the planet? The whole of our civilization of.

[Adam Curry]

Human history has been shaped by the ocean because how the ocean moves dictates where the heat goes. It dictates what the weather's like on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Land. That's followed by health.

[Adam Curry]

Check. Wait a minute. If the. If this is the teaser for a show, but if the oceans determine everything about weather and climate and temperatures, then what does man have to do with it? That's what they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Said. I'm not even going to entertain this question. This is not a valid asking Ask Adam. This is too.

[Adam Curry]

Dumb. It wasn't an Ask Adam. The Ask Adam was about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pornhub.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. You're losing. You're losing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Track. Yeah, well, I'm trying to figure out how to get us out of here. Here.

[Adam Curry]

Is. I get is that we're done.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now. Well, we. First we have to talk about how bad things are from the. From vaccines. Every year, egg and sperm donations help thousands of people with fertility issues start families of their own. But a Europe wide investigation has found that One sperm donor who fathered nearly 200 children unwittingly passed on a genetic mutation that dramatically increased their risk of cancer. Celine, not her real name, is a single mother in France whose child was conceived 14 years.

[Adam Curry]

Ago. She received a call from her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fertility clinic in Belgium urging her to get her daughter.

[Adam Curry]

Screened. She told us of her fears.

[John C. Dvorak]

Over the possibility her child may develop. Develop cancer. We have translated her.

[Adam Curry]

Words. We don't know when, we don't know which one, and we don't know how many. I understand that there's a high chance it's going to happen, and when it does, we'll fight. And if there are several, we'll fight several times. The most unacceptable thing for me is that I was given sperm that wasn't clean, that wasn't safe, that carried a risk, that hadn't been properly tested. That's the most unacceptable thing. He was not aware, I believe, that he was a carrier of a mutated gene. So I have absolutely no hard feelings towards.

[John C. Dvorak]

Him. Some of the children have already died and only a minority who inherited the mutation will manage to avoid the disease entirely. So this was kind of interesting to me. There's a cancer gene now that they've isolated and they can say, if this is. Is in your sperm, then you're probably gonna. Your kid will have cancer. Is that the takeaway from.

[Adam Curry]

This? This is all part of the depopulation scheme. It's bull.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crap. Yeah. The no Agenda show, besides helping your solastalgia, also has available for a rebelizer.

[Adam Curry]

Donation. Clean.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sperm. California clean.

[Adam Curry]

Sperm. Adam's working on it as we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Speak. California clean.

[Adam Curry]

Sperm. Usually during the show, I'm going to show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That'S. Well, we have a very few people to thank on the second part here. In fact, it's very few. It's a total. Donations were poor for a Thursday, to say the least, and it could be for a lot of different.

[John C. Dvorak]

Reasons. Give me one, give me one, give me one.

[Adam Curry]

Reason. The economy is not doing as well as Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Claims. There's no.

[Adam Curry]

Affordability. And this is the affordable podcast. That's what kills.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me. It's crazy. How.

[Adam Curry]

So? Adam's going to read off or give a thank you to these people over.

[John C. Dvorak]

50. And we start with Sir Roland from Lincoln, Nebraska, with the 12345. We love that. Thank you. Christopher Eber in Spartanburg, S.C. 10535. Alexander Bell. I don't know if it's a Graham in There. He's from Opelika, Alabama, with the. Oh, with the boob donation. Came in above our typical lover of America and boobs. The archduke of Luna. Kevin McLaughlin with his 8008. And he says PSA gentlemen, please check the temperature of her sweater. Puppies. Donald Thompson, St. Charles, Missouri, with the. With the ham donation. 7373. Scott Riley, Meridian, Idaho. He says, Please add my dad, Sir Stephen of the Big Horton Basin to the birthday list. He's on it. Chad Hewitt, Folsom, California. 66, 4. That's what, there's a jail there, isn't there? Folsom. Folsom.

[Adam Curry]

City. Yeah, it used to be a maximum security. That's where Charlie Manson was put.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up. That's where Johnny Cash sang the blues. Ryan Tierney, Steven City, Virginia. 5, 6, 7, 8. Love it. Brittany Miller, Trinidad, Colorado. Trinidad. 5272. Bad idea. Supply $50.50. Rene K. And Utrecht in the Netherlands. 50. Oh, these are the 50s. Roderick Brown from Mermaid. What's P.E. california. No, Canada. No. This.

[Adam Curry]

Can. Prince Edward.

[John C. Dvorak]

Island. Edward Island, Canada. There we go. Stephen Shoemake, Xenia, Ohio. Tim Del Vecchio, Blandon, Pennsylvania. Scott Otto. And he needs a deduching for his $50.

[Adam Curry]

Support. You've been de.

[John C. Dvorak]

Douched. Michael Stepnik, Stepniksa in Vienna, Virginia. Merry Christmas. Thanks for keeping me informed and amused. Paul Terranova, Webster, MA. 50. And James Farrell of Paul apparently in Haverhill, MA. $50. We appreciate the support. Thank you all. And again thanks to our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1824. It's value for value. All you got to do is listen to the show. If you get any value of it, send that back in some numbers. You can make up the numbers. We love all the different numbers. We love the numerology. Noagendadonations.com thank you all for supporting us today. Noagendadonate.com yeah. Sir Fred Pound Forge Andrew of Central Indiana turned 56 and he wishes his dog Chip a very happy birthday. Chip turned 13 on December 8th. Horton turned 64 on this December 9th. So belated happy birthday to him. Gwen Sobieski, happy birthday to her sister Beth. Booze Johnson celebrated on the 10th. Dasha. Happy birthday to the love of her life, Mark Stewart. He celebrates tomorrow. Or if you're listening to this show, it was today. Scott Riley, to wind it up, wishes his father, Sir Stephen of the Big Horde Basin, a very happy birthday. And we say happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Yes, we do have three Title changes. Today Sir Horton of the who, of course he becomes the Baron of Whoville. We heard him earlier on with his rubberizer donation. Sir Richard the backyard now becomes Baronet. Sir Rich of the Backyard. And Sir Schwartz becomes Sir Schwartz, Baron of the Woke. Bashing culprits. Overtax. Gitmo. Little.

[Adam Curry]

Mermaid. Well, there you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go. And now we welcome welcome not one, but two no agenda International Peace Prize winners. Well deserved. Thanks to your support of the no Agenda show in the amount of $1,000 or more. And we congratulate Horton, soon to be the Baron of Whoville. Or actually officially is the Baron of Whoville with his no Agenda International Peace Prize. And Ian Hickey, also recipient of a no agenda International Peace Peace pies. Gentlemen, these are coveted. The promotion is ending. The piece is over. And that's why you need to go to noagendarings.com let us know what name you'd like on it, where you'd like it to send us to. And that will be one of the last International Peace prizes. It is peace prize season, so you got to get it while stocks last. We have one knighting, no surprise who it is. So if you can give me that blade, we'll take care of.

[Adam Curry]

Everything. There it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is. All in one go. Yeah, of course. Horton, who just blew us away today and helped us out in this time of unaffordability with a Robilizer donation. And I'm very proud to pronounce the Kate him as Sir Horton of the who upgraded to the Baron of Whoville. For you sir, by your request. We have of course hookers and blow rent boys and Chardonnay. We've got Luoc coffee. I hope it tastes good. People are kind of giving it the side eye at the round table. Along with that Rubin Esse Rumen and rose geysers and sake vodka vanilla bong hits and bourbons. Sparkling cider nest stores, Ginger ale and gerbils, Breast milk and pablum have pumped at the airport and mutton and mead all here for you at the roundtable. You also go to noagendaring.com let us know your ring size as a ring size guide on the website and we'll send it off to you. And thank you for supporting the no Agenda show in a fantastic fashion. We got one meetup report. It's a belated meetup report because they sent the email and sent pictures and I love it when people send pictures of their of their meetups. We had two lovely ladies who just had a meetup together and that's Completely valid. Didn't do a report. But we did get a rather, rather long report from the Spokane Turkey. Spokane Turkey Trot. But it's fun. Everybody's in.

[Adam Curry]

There. Wait a minute. There's two women that had a meetup and no guys showed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up? That's correct.

[Adam Curry]

Yep. What's wrong with these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guys? I don't know. And they. Okay. And they had a. You know. Their server took a picture of them. They're hanging out. They love talking about all current events. Love us. Love us. Love us to death. Let me see. What was their names? I should have probably written that down. Let me see. Meetup. Where is the meetup? I don't know what happened to it. Send it again. Ladies, I want to thank you. Anyway. Let's hear from the Turkey Trot meetup. That would be this.

[Adam Curry]

One. Hi.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crackpot. Hi, buzz.

[Adam Curry]

Kill. This is Grandma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flinner. And this is Bill. I'm the queen.

[Adam Curry]

Bee. We're inside now that it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Raining. But I was tending the fires.

[Adam Curry]

To make sure they are smoking hot. Just like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me. Jack from Post.

[Adam Curry]

Falls. Coming and meeting wonderful people at the Turkey Trot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Today. Connection is.

[Adam Curry]

Protection. Hey, it's Sir Scott the Jew here from the North Idaho Sanity Brigade here hanging out. Much to my everlasting chagrin on the other side of the border in Washington to say thanks John and Adam for working on this Thanksgiving holiday like you do all holidays. And this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Marshall. Brought our two human resources getting.

[Adam Curry]

Our boots wet at this Turkey Trot in the morning. This is Cody and this is Christina. Back at the Flint house doing some Thanksgiving stuffing in the morning. Person here with boots on the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ground looking for the spook. Connection is protection in the.

[Adam Curry]

Morning. Sharon here getting wet while doing some huffing and puffing. To make room for some Thanksgiving stuffing in the morning. Anne Marie here trotting with these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flint turkeys and friends in the.

[Adam Curry]

Morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi. This is Michelle in the morning. I can't believe Dennis put our Turkey Trot on the meetups. But connection is protection. And we welcome.

[Adam Curry]

Gitmonation. Love listening to your pod together.

[John C. Dvorak]

On the right road trips. Dennis made me say pod. He's such a.

[Adam Curry]

Douchebag. This is Dennis Flynn or the findings. So thankful for my smoking hot wife Michelle. Who makes all things possible. And we've never had a fight. John, it was pretty bad art. So I get how you could.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pass on my Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Duffel. But Adam, how could you pass on my deep fake dudes? It wasn't even orange. That's bogative, man. I'm so offended. Shout out to the Smith clan in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anchorage. Several of them hit me in the mouth, but Paul Willie was the.

[Adam Curry]

First. The real question is, are any, if any, of Paul, Dan, Pete, Matt, or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Al? Douche bags, JCBCD sound machine making an entrance there. It was Dame Patricia from Miami and Dame Aquamarine who have the small group. Say we're a small group, but meet regularly for happy hour and talk about current events through no agenda I eyes. That's what I'm talking about. Doesn't have to be big. It can be as small as just two. Go to noagendameetups.com, find all of them there. And if you really want to get that connection that gives you protection, and of course, meet some people who will be your first responders in an emergency, go to no agendameetups.com. if you can't find one near you, start one yourself. Even if it's just two of you. With all the nights and.

[Adam Curry]

Days.

[John C. Dvorak]

You wouldn't be where you won't be triggered on hell to lame. You want to be where everybody feels the.

[Adam Curry]

Same. It's like a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Party. I got a lot of isos here. We got a.

[Adam Curry]

Lot. No, we'll start. Let's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go. I don't think you're going to win from me today. Here we.

[Adam Curry]

Go. Well, then I would just pass.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again. Here we go. 10 out of.

[Adam Curry]

10. That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amazing. Okay. It's pretty impressive work. Whoa, whoa. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yeah, I like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

One. Yeah. If only something somewhere made sense.

[Adam Curry]

Somehow. It's cute, but not for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure. And then.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. All.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. That's what I got. So you kind of like the. Whoa, whoa. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was pretty good. You want to go. You want to go up against mine? You want to try.

[Adam Curry]

It? I think I can. Yeah, I can. I mean, it's not great. It's good. Let's start with. With fab. You can listen to this fabulous show for free.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. This. That is a bad ISO. The people think it's free. Like we like free beer. Like we. We don't need any donations. That goes against everything you stand.

[Adam Curry]

For. It's a good end a show clip because you can listen to it for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Free.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Okay. Let's go with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Podcasts. Why aren't all podcasts this great? Nash too muddled?

[Adam Curry]

No. Yeah, she's a little muddy in that one. It's the same voice, believe it or not, just changed it to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Typo. No, I believe.

[Adam Curry]

It. Okay, try. Holy. Holy moly. Gosh darn. These guys are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great. Yeah. I think it's.

[Adam Curry]

Between. You can listen to this fabulous show for free.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Or whoa, whoa, wow. You. You.

[Adam Curry]

Choose. I'm gonna give it to you only because of the point you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Made. Time for the t. Great advice for you and.

[Adam Curry]

Me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam. Okay. It's back to the well with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Websites. By the way, I. I got my.

[Adam Curry]

Knife. Oh, isn't that thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something? That is quite something. And. But I. I only took it out just for a moment because I'm waiting for my chain mail gloves to come in, because I'm afraid you said, you know, and it's true. This is the kind you can throw the tomato in the air and it'll sl. On the blade. That's.

[Adam Curry]

True. That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

True.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So take a piece of paper and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just.

[Adam Curry]

I'm. I'm afraid you can not only cut through the paper, but you can cut really slowly through the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Paper. I'm afraid to handle it, man. It's like you freak me out about.

[Adam Curry]

That. It's like, it's a pretty sharp knife. You have to know what you're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doing. It could hurt me. Yeah, I don't want to be.

[Adam Curry]

Hurt. I don't want you to get hurt either. I'm sorry. You bought it. Yeah, but that's a killer. And It's. It's folded 67 times. You can see the little pattern on. On there where the blades.

[John C. Dvorak]

Been. And it was only 49 bucks. I mean, what. What a.

[Adam Curry]

Bargain. It was ridiculously.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cheap. It was a good.

[Adam Curry]

Deal. Yeah. Somebody sent me a note, one of our producers, saying, you know, I don't know about this tip of the day idea. You're telling people to buy knives and TVs and all this stuff. That's money that they could be donating to the show. That's what he said. And I didn't know how to react to that because he's right. But this next tip of the day is not going to be affect donations at all, because it's a website that I recommend people put on their list of websites, and it's called rxlist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rxlist.com.

[Adam Curry]

Okay? And it's every drug that they sell, generic and otherwise. It's a list of every drug with everything you need to know about the drug. For example, you look up a drug, it gives you the generic name, name the brand name or names the drug class, and then it gives you a summary with all the contraindications, all the things that make you sick and all the warnings and everything that you never get normally, including the dosage and everything. So if somebody, you know, misdoses it, you get, you got all this information. It's really a fabulous site. Rx.com Rx.

[John C. Dvorak]

List. Oh, Rx list.com. wow. So that's basically a list of stuff you don't.

[Adam Curry]

Want. Well, it's everything. So maybe you want some of it. I'm not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure. Well, there it is. We're better than the fda. It is John's tip of the day. Find them [e-mail] Great advice for you and.

[Adam Curry]

Me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam, created by Dana.

[John C. Dvorak]

Burnetti. By the way, I, I discovered that the tip of the day has Amazon affiliate links for all of your.

[Adam Curry]

Tips. No, it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doesn'T. Sure.

[Adam Curry]

Did. None of the tips that I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gave.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. There might be Amazon affiliate links on the tips that are on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tipoftheday.Com. that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. What I'm saying. The tip of the day dot.

[Adam Curry]

Net. Oh, well then they're, they're, they're making money off of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Us. Then they should donate. As long as they.

[Adam Curry]

Donate. Donate. Because I don't think no agenda fund does.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. Oh no, no, no tip of the date on that. But as long as they donate something, I'm okay with.

[Adam Curry]

It. Yeah, well, they should be donating a lot. You know, a good. They should be 20% coming up. 20 of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take. Coming up next on your no agenda stream. It is that Larry show. Danger Christmas grifts is the title of that one. End of show mixes from secret agent Paul Melod and mvp. That concludes our broadcast day. We will return for you on Sunday. Please meet us there. If you don't, I'll say Merry Christmas in advance. Advance. And remember [e-mail] in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody. I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, John C.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dvorak. See you next time on Sunday. Until then, adios mofos. Ahooey, hooey and such. I don't want to live around black people. No, no. I'm a racist. I am a racist. I don't want to live around Jews, women and blacks. Mode of. No, I want to avoid black people. I don't want to live around black people. No, no, I'm a racist. Interracial marriage. I am a.

[Adam Curry]

Racist. I can absolutely say I don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Want to be living anywhere near black people. I've got no problem saying that I'm a.

[Adam Curry]

Racist. I am a racist. I'm a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Racist. I am a racist. I am a racist. I am a.

[Adam Curry]

Racist. I'm a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Racist. I am a.

[Adam Curry]

Racist. I'm a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Racist. I am a racist. The black shootings. The black crime.

[Adam Curry]

Blacks. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Killings in the Caribbean. Killings in the.

[Adam Curry]

Caribbean. And what that means in the law is that not only should we not be talking about these things in terms of war crimes, we could be talking about these things as simple murder. War.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crimes. Ladies and gentlemen, step, step right.

[Adam Curry]

Up. Don't be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shy. See the greatest magic trick beneath the American.

[Adam Curry]

Sky? Forget arrest and trial, forget the appeal and the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Plea? We're here for the ultimate reset in American history? While you tangled with the feds, you accomplished hot red handed true? Your lawyer's looking sweaty and the.

[Adam Curry]

Jury'S giving you the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boo? The judge just dropped the hammer? Said son your future's.

[Adam Curry]

Bleak? You're facing down many years for.

[John C. Dvorak]

The drug running you did last week? You're thinking orange jumpsuits and a whole lot of regret? But then you find a.

[Adam Curry]

Number? A powerful name you haven't met? You dial the White House line or slip a note through the back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Door? Heard your friends with the presidents need a favor, nothing more. The presidential pardon? It's a beautiful clean slate. It's the ultimate I veto over cruel cold metal fate? It's a gift for the connected, the wealthy and the.

[Adam Curry]

Friend? The crime you just forgot before the very bitter.

[John C. Dvorak]

End. It ain't about just, it ain't about the.

[Adam Curry]

Law. It's about having a handshake that outranks everyone you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Saw. Yeah, POTUS here, they call it.

[Adam Curry]

Mercy. I call it executive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flair. One big stroke of the DJT signature and you're breathing free.

[Adam Curry]

Air. The best podcast in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

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