B (2:26)

Chicago's got some very strict gun laws.

A (2:28)

So what's up with that?

B (2:32)

You already said.

A (2:34)

Oh, they're racist. Yeah. Okay, good. At least you understand. And by the way, I denounce you.

B (2:42)

Oh, no.

A (2:46)

That'S the cool new hip thing. You gotta denounce somebody.

B (2:51)

I never heard this.

A (2:52)

Oh, yeah, no, you have to denounce Milo. Denounce Tucker. Denounce. What's the kid defuentes? Denounce. Dave Rubin. Denounce Megyn Kelly.

B (3:06)

Denounce. Where did you get this?

A (3:08)

I follow this. Everybody's denouncing everybody.

B (3:11)

Denounce.

A (3:12)

I denounce you.

B (3:13)

So corny.

A (3:15)

It is. I denounce you. It is this Muk Ultra business is out of control. Because that's what it is. Muk Ultra. That's.

B (3:30)

I like Muk. Oh, that's good. It's a pun.

A (3:33)

Yes, well, that.

B (3:34)

But that's.

A (3:35)

That's clearly what it is. Muc. Yes. Everybody.

B (3:40)

Whoa. Oh.

A (3:41)

Hey. Where was it? Where did. I have the. I thought I clipped that. This was the. This was the one. Hold on. Here it is. All right, everybody, it's. It's obvious now. Who is the. Who is the handler we all know who works for. For Mossad? It's those little things where, again, he.

B (4:03)

Would walk through the door, drop his.

A (4:04)

Bags, daddy's home, take his phone.

B (4:08)

Friday night. Shabbat shalom. Oh, no.

A (4:10)

Oh, no.

B (4:11)

I love that. Shabbat shalom.

A (4:13)

Shabbat shalom.

B (4:15)

Why she say it, though, is the question. She just said it. Yeah, it's pretty funny, because I. Well, she. She got nothing but grief. She's been. I didn't think we're going to bring her up, but she's been getting just boatloads of grief.

A (4:30)

Well, you know, so, first of all, I'm. I'm pretty sure, you know, talking about Sabbath is not all that odd in. In Christian circles. And, you know, I can see Charlie Kirk saying, shabbat Shalom, y'. All. I'm home. I can see it. The problem. The problem here is. Yeah, I can't.

B (4:53)

I can't see anybody. Except. I don't even think Horowitz or most Jews say it.

A (4:58)

Yes, they do.

B (5:00)

It's a Friday night thing. You're supposed to say, well, maybe that's.

A (5:03)

What she was talking about Friday night.

B (5:05)

Yeah, I know it came home Friday night, and it's Shabbat Shalom.

A (5:08)

Yeah.

B (5:08)

But, no, I'm not buying that.

A (5:10)

Well, here's what's going on. Here's what's going on with Erica Kirk. Here's what's going on with Candace. Here's what's going on with pretty much everybody.

B (5:18)

Except us.

A (5:19)

Except us.

B (5:21)

All we do is deconstruct the news. We don't get involved.

A (5:24)

No. Why would we? No.

B (5:26)

Because you get it's a sucker's game.

A (5:28)

But you and I have unique experiences that we can talk about because we've been around. We've done the block. We've done certain things, we've been certain places. I can say on a microcosm, I know what it is to be super, super, super famous. And that microcosm, actually would be the Netherlands. And when you get into any kind of.

B (5:54)

I'm going to stop You. Okay, Because I don't think everybody realizes this, that you were super, super, super famous in the Netherlands. And to the point where you used to go, even during the era of the show, which is an era. Era. Yeah, you would go to the Netherlands and then all these, there'd be all these front page headlines about you and your new girlfriend who looked a lot like your old wife and blah, blah, and all in Dutch. And they all have pictures of you as you're. Got your, you got your, your trench coat over your face, trying to avoid the cameras. Never that corner thing. It was, it was at that level. And so people don't realize that that was true. So you, you do speak from a. This is not bullcrap.

A (6:40)

No, it's not bullcrap. And, and that started when I was 19. All of a sudden half of the country was watching me because there are only two TV stations. And I was on with David Bowie and with the Stones and with Tina Turner and Grace Jones and just go all the way down the list, Madonna. In fact, the whole country still, whenever I enter the country, like, hey, curry Madonna. Because at the time they were saying, Madonna, Madonna, Madonna. Say it's Madonna. Anyway, so Mike on a microcosm, super famous. And it's a very strange thing to experience, particularly when the media gets involved. And I'll just consider X and YouTube and the podcastosphere, I'll consider that all to be media. In fact, I think I pioneered some of the. Back in the day it was blogs and you'd write something on your blog and then the newspaper would pick it up and then there would be a television news item about the blog that you wrote, that you posted, that the newspaper wrote. And you get into this very strange rhythm of responding. And that's exactly what I'm seeing with all of these micro famous people like Dave Rubin and Candace Owens. I mean, we were at a party last night at dinner and at least half the win are like, oh yeah, oh yeah, I can't wait. 4 o' clock in the afternoon. I'm ready. I'm sitting there, I'm hitting refresh. I can't wait until Candace comes on. And.

B (8:24)

Really?

A (8:24)

Well, you also have to understand what is the number one category in podcasting?

B (8:31)

Outrage.

A (8:32)

No, no, the number one category by far in podcasting is true crime.

B (8:40)

Yeah, that's been that case ever since. Serial.

A (8:43)

Yes. And so that's essentially what Candace has become. True crime. You know, who killed Charlie Kirk?

B (8:52)

Interesting interpretation.

A (8:53)

Oh, and that's why women love it so much. But then you add in this, people commenting and then Candace commenting and then Dave Rubin commenting. And by the way, the bad actor in all this, if there is a bad actor, is Tucker Carlson. He is platforming. So we have all these terms now. I denounce you. He platformed him, you know, right on time. Tucker platforms. Nick Fuentes, Tucker Re platforms. Milo Yiannopoulopoulos right at the moment that I think Candace is about to flame out. She may not, you know, another Brit, another British connection is brought in. To me it feels a little bit like how we can't really do the Gen Z protests we're doing around the world, but let's mess them up in America anyway and we'll do it like this. And it's just, it's unbelievable. Every microcosm, every facial expression is analyzed and over analyzed and no breaking news. Nobody knows anything but the actors involved in this. And I say that with a specific reason. They, you get so, so swept up in it. And at a certain point whenever anybody says something, I gotta respond to that. The funny thing in Holland, I don't know if it still works, but up until about 10 years ago, because you get newspapers calling, you get Bari Weiss is, oh, come on, a town hall with me, let's talk about this. Let's sit down on Fox and Friends. It's not like you necessarily are on some tour, but you feel like you have to do it because if you don't, then the other team wins. And in this case, you know, I had it with my first wife. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff. But then with the government, you know, oh, Curry with his helicopters, all kinds of nonsense in Holland you can still, you can, there is a response that you can give through your people and you can say, I'm star, I'm sorry, right now we have a media stop. It's an actual term. We have a media stop. And funny enough when you say that, it kind of stops because you're not going to respond anymore. And everybody knows it. I have done so many stupid things in my life with the media. Like there was, I remember doing an interview for a newspaper after I left. Wife number one was with wife number two before she was my wife and oh, I'll just give an interview to the newspaper. And they dragged it out over three days, two full page. I'm like, and of course it wasn't exactly how I said it and it just made matters worse. And that's what all these people are wrapped up in. But this phenomenon where, you know, there's certainly a Couple million people who are just complete. This is all they're living for. They don't care about anything else. This is it. This is the thing. It's. It's really. It's an interesting time to be alive to see it for sure, but, man, is it tiring. I don't know if you. If I guess you don't follow it that much, which is. Just proves that it's possible.

B (12:21)

Of course it proves. It's like there's a phone in the drawer.

A (12:25)

Well, but you've got other things in your algo. You've got crazy women from TikTok.

B (12:30)

Actually, I've altered the algorithm because I've been reject. You want to hear my lit. I'm not fought. That started to finally wane because I got sick of it.

A (12:41)

Yeah. Oh, good.

B (12:43)

I mean, really sick of it.

A (12:45)

Yeah.

B (12:46)

There's still TikTok clips. I got one lined up here today, but it's moved over to another group of women that are bitching about not being able to find a man. It's a whole genre.

A (13:02)

Oh, yeah.

B (13:03)

It's a million of these women. And they're going on. All the good men are taking, oh, I'm this, I'm that. And they're moaning and groaning. You wonder why they can't get a date. I can't get a date. You. Nobody knows how. No one will come up to me. And they go. It's all whining. I don't know how I got into this one because I didn't really solicit, but I know how I got into it, because I listened to one of them completely, and I said, what? I played it again. Boom, I'm done. And so now I'm getting all these videos of these women moaning and groaning about their lives.

A (13:33)

So you and I are. Are actually living in two different realities. That's really what it is. Which I guess is good.

B (13:40)

No, you need to do dimensionality.

A (13:42)

But I still have to denounce you. Okay, I just have to denounce.

B (13:47)

Well, then I fi. Denounce you too.

A (13:52)

What everyone's missing is all the cool stuff that's happening, such as the absolute psyop to usher in digital id. I don't think you've caught this one. I only caught it kind of by accident yesterday as I was doing prep. I'm like, well, hold on.

B (14:08)

Well, if you caught it by accident yesterday, I'm doubtful that I caught it.

A (14:12)

Listen to this. Have you heard of 7, 6, 4?

B (14:17)

It does ring a bell. This is the warning that every parent needs to hear. And James mother tells Fox News the predators who targeted her son will never.

A (14:25)

Be held accountable because the federal laws that we have right now are insufficient. Members of 764 and other online networks.

B (14:33)

Networks target kids and extort them for.

A (14:35)

Money, sometimes convincing them to kill or sexually exploit themselves or others or harm animals. Now I warn you, the next few images that you're about to see are disturbing. The violent online networks find vulnerable children on platforms like discord and gaming sites.

B (14:51)

These pictures are from the Vernon, Connecticut Police Department.

A (14:54)

Police say a teenage girl was sextorted by 764 after sending sexually explicit and self harm material. The FBI tells Fox the FBI is investigating more than 3350 subjects who are tied to violent online networks commonly referred to as 764 but includes many offshoot networks and names. According to FBI Director Cash Patel, nihilistic violent extremism arrests are up 500%. While arrests. Did you hear that? Nihilistic extremism arrests. Hold on a second. According to FBI.

B (15:27)

Wait. And 500%. Of course they give us the real numbers. Is it one and then now five? Yeah.

A (15:33)

No, you're not gonna.

B (15:34)

Of course that would be 500%.

A (15:36)

FBI Director Cash Patel, nihilistic violent extremism arrests are up 500% while arrests specifically tied to 764, you see are up 20%. Nihilistic extremism arrests, which is. That's new. Nightline got jumped on the bandwagon. Welcome to this special edition of Nightline. With a special edition, I'm joined by ABC's Chief Justice Correspondent Pierre Thomas. Welcome back to Nightline, Pierre. Good to be here. I know you've been working on this story for nearly a year. Indeed, Juju. This is truly one of the most terrifying stories I've ever covered in my 30 years as a journalist. Even worse than 9 11. We're talking about a network that's both a national security threat and also a direct threat to the nation's families. It's a story of pure evil. A network that seeks to sow chaos in our society. Oh God, this is good, isn't it? One child at a time. And we must warn you, there is graphic content and imagery that might disturb some viewers.

B (16:34)

The darkest court.

A (16:36)

The music is what disturbed me.

B (16:37)

And by the way, you should mention that this is the second report where they have the something that they tell you. They go, this is almost done purposefully.

A (16:45)

Oh, it is.

B (16:46)

There's graphic images that might disturb you, which is to get you in a mindset.

A (16:53)

But everybody Got the same electronic press kit. And when they say that they flash a video or they flash a picture rather of somebody holding a pink knife right in front of a little pug dog's face. It's the weirdest. And the pug dog of course looks.

B (17:13)

You've seen this more than once.

A (17:15)

Yeah. Oh yeah.

B (17:16)

Everyone has a video release. Okay?

A (17:18)

Totally. There is graphic content and imagery that.

B (17:22)

Might disturb some viewers. The darkest corners of the Internet terrorizing the most vulnerable in the most unexpected infected places. 764. A loose network of anonymous people online across the world. Their goal, to unleash chaos.

A (17:40)

Chaos.

B (17:42)

Their target, mostly children. It's chopping time.

A (17:45)

Like this girl coerced to cut her own hair and eat it. The FBI calling 764.

B (17:52)

One of the biggest emerging threats. We're going after the idiot.

A (17:57)

So sad. This is sad.

B (18:01)

No, how dumb are you?

A (18:03)

Well listen, listen. If, if you've somehow been coerced on. I don't know, I'll just name a platform off the top of my head. Roblox. If you've been coerced somehow into. Into showing something or doing something, you thought it was somebody else, you thought it was a peer, you thought it was someone your own age. And then it turns out, oh, we're going to release this to all of your friends unless you cut off your hair and eat it.

B (18:27)

Oh God.

A (18:28)

Which their targets?

B (18:32)

Mostly children. It's chopping time. Like this girl coerced to cut her.

A (18:36)

Own hair and eat it.

B (18:39)

The FBI calling 764. One of the biggest emerging threats.

A (18:43)

We're going after the new form of what I refer to as modern day terrorism in America. 764 crimes.

B (18:51)

Each and every one of the 55 FBI field offices across the country are investigating 764 related cases. Charges ranging from animal cruelty to child pornography to murder and even alleged terrorism.

A (19:06)

They're calling it the number one digital threat right now against number one pushed into sexual and violent behavior. This is about the most disturbing story I've seen. I mean everything's in that report. But it's also in Canada.

B (19:19)

A Halifax teen who police say is affiliated with violent online extremist group 76 was scheduled for plea in court on Thursday but did not appear. This comes days after the federal government labeled 764 a terrorist organization, making Canada the first country to do so. The 16 year old's lawyer appeared on.

A (19:38)

His behalf requesting a change to the youth's release conditions.

B (19:42)

The accused will now be granted access.

A (19:44)

To speak with legal counsel over a.

B (19:46)

Cell phone without Internet connection under supervision. He will not have the ability to.

A (19:51)

Use any devices other than that moment in time. When announcing the charges in octo.

B (19:56)

Investigators describe 764 as a group that glorifies serious violence. Officials say the network operates on social.

A (20:03)

Media and gaming platforms to gain trust with kids before manipulating them into sharing.

B (20:08)

Intimate images or filming themselves committing acts of self harm, violence or animal cruelty.

A (20:14)

And then the final one is. We go back to abc.

B (20:17)

The it Continuing our coverage tonight on a sadistic online network targeting children. We've told you about the group 764.

A (20:23)

We've told you about it.

B (20:25)

Members manipulate unsuspecting kids online, black blackmail and extort them into producing sexually explicit images or harming themselves or others. 764 operates not only in the United States but all over the world using threats, blackmail and perverse manipulation to groom children for violence and pain, according to the FBI, forcing them to perform depraved acts of violence against themselves and others. The more debased and violent the image or video a member is able to coerce a child to produce, the higher their standing in the 7, 6, 4.

A (20:54)

We've got to change the law. Unfortunately, technology.

B (20:58)

There it is.

A (20:58)

Yep. Oh, yeah. Dig derby has to be moving forward. And as it moves forward, it's more challenges for criminal prosecution. Now they're using all sorts of means of coercing these young people into doing horrible things, harming themselves and others and animals and in some cases taking their own lives. Oh, no, notice that they brought the new thing is the animals because kids alone wasn't doing it. That's why I needed a little pug dog with a knife in front of his face. They don't, you know, okay, they got the girl cutting her hair and eating it. But once you bring in animals now you've got everybody's attention into doing horrible things, harming themselves and others and animals and in some cases taking their own lives.

B (21:39)

At least 28 people have been charged by the Justice Department in recent years with suspected ties to 764 or affiliated networks. Many have pleaded not guilty and are awaiting trial. The national center for Missing and Exploited Children tells the I team it's on track to receive nearly 2,000 reports of abuse tied to these networks this year, much of it starting on popular online platforms.

A (22:00)

The imagery, the videos, the chats that we are seeing and reading are the most graphic that I have ever seen.

B (22:06)

In my 20 year history. Everyone has the same, was that a robot voice?

A (22:11)

No, it was not. But it's all the same, most graphic, most disturbing animals. Did I mention animals? Look at this puppy animals.

B (22:21)

Well, that's because we've already been preconditioned to the notion that kids who abuse animals are likely to become sex offenders or whatever, which has been put into public domain. It's in all the TV shows. It's been around forever. So you want to, you have to get the animal angle in there. It's a good idea.

A (22:37)

So we have, I think eight bills all of a sudden popping up and the, and the first couple ones are exactly what I said was coming months ago. As you know, we have the Godcaster app and we already received messages from the Apple Store, App Store and from the Google Play Store. Here's the API for age verification. And they're going to want, they're probably going to start with every app or that kind of have started with every app. Should, should check the age. That's what's happening in Australia. Then we have the App Store Accountability act, House Resolution 3149, which will require the app stores to verify the age of users and create parental accounts. And of course the parents will have to prove, have to prove their child's age with some form of government approved ID. Real ID might work. We have the Screen Act, HR 1623. Now this is for any website or app that has any kind of quote unquote, commercial pornography, whatever that means. Exactly.

B (23:53)

What does that mean in this era?

A (23:55)

Exactly? We have the popa. Popa Parents Over Platforms Act. And this will. This requires app stores to determine a user's age category. So not exactly age, but age category. They'll be kind of like a PG13 RX rating. Then we have, of course, the.

B (24:21)

Now, now this back. Can you stop a second here with this?

A (24:25)

Yeah.

B (24:27)

What kind of apps are we talking about? If so I say I have an RSS reader. Do I have to verify somebody's age because it's an RSS reader?

A (24:37)

Not yet.

B (24:38)

But are we specific? It had to be at what kind of apps. So I mean, it makes no sense to me that I should or I have a word processor and who gives a crap how old a person is one way or the other?

A (24:51)

Well, obviously all of this is ridiculous because it all points to one thing. It all points to, why don't we just make it easy, everybody, and give everybody a digital id and then when the app pops up or you want to use it or a website or whatever it is, you have to scan the QR code and then your phone with your digital ID will determine if you can, or you know, the app side or the website side, this is going to happen. It's a foregone conclusion and it's happening worldwide. And it won't all be one system. So you have the Kids Online Safety act, that's the big one. But there they're putting the, the responsibility on the quote unquote platforms. We have the Safer Gaming act, which is similar, but it allows the FTC to sue video game companies. See, this is where it gets kind of interesting when you put the liability and responsibility on the platforms.

B (25:53)

Oh, you mean like they should do with vaccines?

A (25:56)

Yeah.

B (25:57)

Just wondering why don't they do think in those terms?

A (26:00)

You're preaching to the choir here obviously, but that this is, this is what's happening. And the psyop is so obvious.

B (26:09)

No, it's total. It's completely bullcrap.

A (26:12)

It's all and cash potential.

B (26:14)

It's good though. You have to give them. Come on. So they got the number. Those are magic numbers. The angel number I think is in there.

A (26:21)

Is 7, 6, 4. An angel number?

B (26:23)

I think it is. Or one of the. Yeah, I think it is the. But the whole thing is just like, it's just Gambola written all over it in terms of its to get some poor girl chewing her hair. Okay, well, you know, fabulous. That's the best we can get here.

A (26:42)

Seeing angel number 764 frequently means that your guardian angels are trying to communicate with you. They're reminding you to stay, trying to.

B (26:51)

Protect you by getting digital ID.

A (26:55)

Yeah. What if. What is 764 divided by 33? Let's just 23. 151. No, that's nothing. Yes, that's no good. That's no good. But Cash Patel, he's, he's right there leading. He's the one. Oh, 764. It's not, it's not even. It's just a meme as far as I'm concerned. There's no network. And then they show these like artwork obvious AI generated 764 with dripping blood. Yeah, yeah. Now the question is, will we have to have an age verification for our podcasts Eventually? I think it will happen.

B (27:43)

Well, it's going to be hard.

A (27:46)

Eventually. Eventually. Now the other piece of information, I.

B (27:50)

Mean we, since our podcast actually in, in many ways can be traced to Europe.

A (27:57)

Yeah.

B (27:58)

The likelihood of it happening because of the European servers is higher I think possibly than if it was American based.

A (28:08)

Possibly.

B (28:10)

But I mean it's still a ways off. I, I still.

A (28:12)

No, no, it's it's a ways off, but it's coming.

B (28:14)

It's, it's past the four year limit.

A (28:16)

It's all coming. But then while all this is going on, did you hear of Core 5? I couldn't find a single report by the way, from America, from Britain, from your, Anybody Only India News and W I O N which is just, it was so bad.

B (28:38)

Core five, I have two clips.

A (28:40)

Have you heard about that?

B (28:41)

Not about that, no. I have two clips. I've decided to start doing this again, which is getting the rundowns from the beginning. They're less than two minutes, they're both short. But it's the rundown. It's, there's a point to be made by them. But the two clips will also, I'm just not, I don't want to play them now. But I'm just going to say when you play it will also not bring any of this, any of the kind of news that we uncover from Times of India, which is about us, is just the mainstream media just refuses to cover it.

A (29:18)

And, but the thing about this is it went to a couple of different websites. Defense one, I think we both read Defense one. Let me just tell you what the story is because I believe this to be true. There was a longer version of the National Security Strategy document, the one that I read.

B (29:41)

Right.

A (29:43)

And the longer version, which was obtained by Defense 1 and a couple other people got, it goes into more detail and reaffirms a withdrawal from Europe's defense realignment with culturally aligned allies and the creation of a new power bloc to replace Western dominated forums such as the G7, which Trump has complained about. And this will be Core 5 or C5 and it will include America, Russia, China, India and Japan. And each of those countries has its own region of the world that you'd kind of be responsible for. And at the same time, the document apparently calls for Austria, Hungary, Italy and Poland to exit the European Union. That part I'm not so, I, I'm not so sure if that really was in there. But the idea of C5, Core 5, I think that's totally real. And this is, it could be.

B (30:49)

That would make sense. It's a good idea. That would be a great trading block and I'm sure it's high quality products.

A (30:55)

Yeah. Best price.

B (30:56)

With the exception of India, baby.

A (30:58)

Best. Best price.

B (30:59)

Best price. Best price. Best. Yeah. Cheap goods.

A (31:05)

Yeah, yeah, I, I, I think it's.

B (31:09)

And I'm sure that Correct supply chains, I mean it's like that, you know, I, I keep Remarking on. You bought one of these too, which is that. That ridiculous knife from Japan.

A (31:21)

Oh, yeah. Oh, that thing's amazing.

B (31:23)

With his 67 fold.

A (31:25)

Yeah. 49 bucks. 49 bucks.

B (31:28)

49 bucks. Of course, it was. It was on sale, but the. But even when at the full price, which. Because I've seen these things years ago when the. When the ratio, the yen wasn't devalued to such an extreme, and that. That knife is typically. Was typically $250. Wow.

A (31:46)

Really? That much?

B (31:47)

Yeah, I never. They used to have them in some of the Japanese stores around here. I never bought one. I always admired them, but I never bought one because of the ridiculous price. It's like, I can't afford this $250 knife, but 49 bucks. I can afford that. Although it's better if people donated in the show, I have to mention that.

A (32:07)

So this, this longer version of the National Security Strategy document incorporates themes of cultural revival, traditional values and religious identity, alongside a reassessment of US global obligations. And I think this was leaked on purpose. Of course it was leaked on purpose. And it's shaken everybody in their boots. I want to do the rundowns, but first I have to. I have to play a couple of clips from my boy because he just went off and I'm now thinking that Mark Ruth may have been cut out or something. He went off the rails at the Munich Security Conference.

B (32:58)

He's been going a little more off the rails every time we've listened to him.

A (33:02)

Here we go. I'm here today to tell you where NATO stands and what he must do.

B (33:08)

To stop a war.

A (33:11)

This is literally his keynote at the beginning. And what we must do to stop a war before it starts. And to do that, we need to be crystal clear about the threat. We are Russia's next target and we are already in harm's way. We're already in harm's way. Everybody get under your bed. When I became NATO Secretary General last year, I warned that what is happening in Ukraine could happen to allied countries too. And now it's happening that we have to shift to a wartime mindset. This year, we took the big decisions to make NATO stronger. At the summit in the Hague, allies agreed to invest 5% of GDP annually in defence by 2035. We agreed to increase defence production across the alliance and we agreed to continue our support to Ukraine. But this is not the time for self congratulation. This is not the time for self congratulation.

B (34:21)

For what?

A (34:22)

Hey, we did it. We got the 5%. This is not the time for self congratulation, which is a very. It's a total duchism, by the way. But this is not the time for self congratulation. I fear that too many are quietly complacent. Oh, no, too many. Too many don't feel the urgency. And too many believe that time is on our side. It is not. It is not. No. The time for action is now. The time for action is now. Allied defence spending and production must rise rapidly. Our armed forces must have what they need to keep us safe and Ukraine must have what it needs to defend itself. Now. Now. So he has a new sales pitch. He's not now. I don't. I'm not even sure he's working for Trump. I think he's just straight up working for the military industrial complex. And I have some boots on the.

B (35:19)

Ground to back up the middleman. Yeah, yeah.

A (35:22)

And here's. So now his new pitch is, hey, Russia is spending a lot. If you don't spend, you get behind. Ambassador, I understand the question, of course, I am aware of fair stages of all the discussions, so I cannot go into all the details. But what I was talking about was primarily focusing on making sure that whatever the military power of the Russians, and at this moment that's considerable given their extreme investments now in defense, total defense budget $200 billion and with their purchasing power, that's about the same as the whole of European NATO is spending on defence in terms of purchasing power. So it's really a lot of money. And what is your purchase? And they don't have all the bureaucracy we have. So they can. No, because he's a dictator, take the decisions quickly, easily move to this wartime economy as they have done. Wartime economy. And that's why they are posing a threat immediately. What we need to do with these security guarantees, first of all, to make sure that they will never try again, knowing that our reaction will be, as I said, devastating. That's not the prime focus. Say what?

B (36:33)

It sounds coked up.

A (36:34)

Yeah. So here's his final pitch. It comes at the end, but it's worth it. We are all now intimately aware of the geography of Ukraine. We all know what Pokhovsk is in Donbas, in Donetsk. And that small city of 60,000 people, they started to onslaught on that city in the summer of 2024. It is now the end of 2025. They still have not captured it. And in the meantime, on this front line, they are losing last month, 25,000 people getting killed. If you have a dictator willing to, he's A dictator willing to do this because you have this crazy idea of some historical. Whatever he has. It's some historical. Whatever he has. It's just some. Like what he's trying to say is he wants the old USSR back. You know, then. Then you have to be care. Very careful. Very careful. And we have to stand ready. And, and that's why. Stand ready. Are you standing ready? John? John? Sean, Are you standing ready?

B (37:33)

You know, the founding city for modern.

A (37:35)

Russia, St. Petersburg, Kyiv. It is crucial that the biggest economy in Europe, and that is Germany with its enormous power, has decided already. Anders Scholz with the Zeitgem then, and then with Chancellor in the. When this government was formed in March, even before the government was formed under leadership of now Chancellor Merton, to make this extraordinary standby. Here it comes. Crucial, please. I know also in Germany, some people.

B (38:06)

Are question, do we.

A (38:07)

Do they really need to do this? Yes. I'm going to tell you something right now. I'm going to threaten you. If you don't put the money into the weapons of war in this war economy, you'll see what will happen. If you love the German language and you do not want to speak Russian, it is crucial. It is a sine qua non because otherwise this guy will not stop with Ukraine. That's, I think, what we have to be very watchful of. So if you don't pay up, do you like speaking German? Because otherwise you'll be speaking Russian. What is going on here?

B (38:42)

You know, I think that Trump and the. Whoever's running the country is referring back to C5.

A (38:51)

Yeah.

B (38:52)

Has a sense that Europe is so screwed that we really have to get out of there.

A (38:59)

Well, especially with the most recent development. After months of political wrangling and a flurry of criticisms issued by US President Donald Trump last week, European leaders have come out with a strong response. In an audacious move, the European Union have decided to indefinitely immobilize Russian assets held in EU countries worth a whopping 210 billion euros. An emergency clause was triggered. No, no. The total is 210 billion. 90 is at Euroclear, worth a whopping 210 billion euros. An emergency clause in the treaties was triggered this week to freeze the overseas holdings owned by the Russian Central Bank. The measure comes just days after Trump labeled Europe a quote, decaying continent and called its leaders weak. With one bold move, the bloc was able to push back against external interference and insulate the large sum of money from the Kremlin's war machine. The bulk of the assets, some 185 billion euros are held at Euroclear, a central securities depository in Brussels. The remaining 25 billion are spread in banks across five other EU member states. Until now, the funds have been paralyzed under the traditional sanctions scheme, which requires renewal by unanimous vote among the member states biannually. So that's about the dumbest thing they could have done. Of course, Russia is now suing Euroclear and probably the European Union, because by saying, hey, it's indefinitely frozen.

B (40:29)

There was a. Yeah, well, it was frozen anyway.

A (40:34)

But it had to be renewed every six months.

B (40:36)

Yeah, but it was still frozen. But if you listen to that report carefully, he made it sound as though that was money being used by the Russians in their war efforts.

A (40:46)

Yeah. Which I don't think is true.

B (40:47)

Well, it can't be true.

A (40:48)

No, no, no.

B (40:50)

It's just a bunch of money that's over there's frozen, that was trusted. They went to a trusted source.

A (40:59)

Yeah. And that source is no longer trusted.

B (41:02)

No, the source is no longer trusted. What kind of idea is that? How does that improve things?

A (41:08)

Well, I think, remember they. So Ukraine is out of money. They're out of money. They need 60 or 70 billion euros, like right now. So that's why Queen Ursula put the two week deadline in place with the two options. Either we go raise this money in the public markets or we take the Russians money. And they could not get the 27 state member block to all agree on taking the money. So somewhere in the treaties, which would be the Lisbon Treaty, I guess, somewhere, somewhere in the fine print it says, well, you know, if we declare an emergency, just like we do over here, you know, terrorism or whatever, international, you know, we can do tariffs because of terrorism, whatever. So the fine print said you can then evoke this emergency and then you can do whatever you want. And now that's exactly what the European Commission has done. And Euroclear hates it. Belgium hates it particularly because Belgium has not gotten a full protection. It's like, yeah, most of the, we'll protect you in most cases, but, you know, if you get Russian boots, we're not gonna do anything for you. So that's a mess. At the same. Last night at this dinner, I spoke again to my buddy from my new friend from the Department of War. Now, he's a younger guy, so he's in his 40s. I've talked about him before.

B (42:40)

Yeah, no, he's becoming a regular on the show.

A (42:44)

Well, the problem with him is because he's younger, he's really careful. You can see him painfully Just with his head down when I ask a question, thinking. He says, I gotta think about how I can answer that.

B (42:57)

I said, yeah, I know the type.

A (42:59)

I've got clearance. It's okay. You can tell me. He wasn't buying that at all. So I started off, I said, hey, how's that. How's that Gen AI Mil doing? Thinking I would break the ice. He says, that that is. That thing is just complete, utter bull crap. He says, what we're really dealing with now, remember, he's in the modern, like, the next generation warfare testing department. I think that's what it is.

B (43:30)

Yeah, something like that.

A (43:31)

Something good.

B (43:32)

Advanced.

A (43:32)

Something good. He says, you know, we have this new procurement process, which is what Hegseth announced. You know, no longer are we, you know, going to spend billions of dollars and overrun by 100 billion and have something take 10 years before we could finally put it into the battlefield. No, we start testing going into the battlefield right away. And he says, I see the inputs, I see the output. So I know that the commands. We give this stuff. He was a little unclear, but I'll get to that. We give the commands and then the stuff does it. He says, but I am unable to see what's in the middle. I said, what do you mean, what's in the middle, Genai? He says, no, Palantir. I said, oh, oh. He says, yeah, we can't look inside to see how it actually works. And I said. I said, so this is about drones? He said, And I think I followed it by saying, man, Ukraine must be great for you guys. And I think he kind of. He went beyond what he should have said. He said, there's never been a better place to test new stuff. And I said, this must be a great sales job. And he starts laughing. And so then we get back to the drones, and he says, you know, the big thing now is that all these drones are tethered because of the.

B (44:58)

Yeah, there's a little wire.

A (45:00)

He says, in Ukraine alone, half of.

B (45:03)

Ukraine is strewn with these wires.

A (45:05)

Thousands of miles of fiber optic cable.

B (45:08)

Yeah, there's one false. Yeah, fiber. Yeah, I know.

A (45:12)

You know, so there are these long pictures of it.

B (45:15)

It's like it's just piles and piles of glass.

A (45:19)

And so. And then he said, and this is for our. This is. Here's a tip. Early tip of the day for you entrepreneurial producers out there. He says, now, everywhere we test this stuff, unless it's Ukraine said, we have to figure out how to clean it all up. And he actually said, this is a Great business opportunity for anybody who starts a company cleaning up these thousands of miles of fiber optic cables from testing all this new stuff. So there's a tip.

B (45:48)

They're strands, not cables.

A (45:49)

Yeah, strands. They're strands. And I said, well, shouldn't we have drones with big scissors on them or something? You can fly in and snip them. End of conversation.

B (46:00)

Yeah, you got silly.

A (46:01)

Yes, I know, I ruined it. I got silly. What was I thinking about? Yeah. So I think that this has all been remembered.

B (46:12)

The people, the problem, the reason they started doing that with the fiber optic strands and running it for miles, they're just literally miles and miles long, is because they haven't come up with the drone technology that will defeat the Russian jamming. That was the whole reason to do it.

A (46:34)

Yes.

B (46:34)

Because the jammers would send their things over into a building or they just make a mess. And so they had. Well, what are we going to do about. Well, let's have hardwire the damn things. Okay. This is like an idiotic answer to the problem.

A (46:52)

Yes.

B (46:53)

I mean they could also make him autonomous.

A (46:57)

But think about what's really happening. This is all the military industrial complex who are the biggest lobbyers in any government around the world. I'm sure half the European Union is in their pocket and we know that half of our own Congress is in their pocket through aipac. And so if you look at others, and others, but, but indirectly through aipac. If you look at the, the new National Defense Authorization act, which I have been reading and it hasn't passed, so you know, the Senate has it and who knows what's going to happen. There are multiple provisions for directed energy capabilities, in particular high power microwave systems to neutralize drone swarms. So they're creating the problem. Oh look, we got drones like, oh, now we need to have anti drone technology. It's a game. It's a big game. It really is. That NDAA is pretty funny though. We got lots of alien stuff coming up. Up. We see we have non human intelligence needs to be recognized as sentient, intelligent non human life forms, maybe presumed responsible for unidentified anomalous phenomena. And we need to have a steering committee on that. It's so good. Mandatory disclosure. Yes. We have to have. How many times have we had a disclosure? I've seen it so many times now. And Space Force Special Ops. Now Space Force Special Ops because, you know.

B (48:48)

Okay, well I have a point to make here with a couple of clips and it does kind of. It applies to your C5, which sounds more like an explosive.

A (49:03)

Well, it's one better than C4. Yes. Yeah. It goes to 11.

B (49:11)

So. And these are the NBC. This is the two. I would, I, I was going to ask you a question that. So I decided to do the rundowns or just pick up the rundowns from this news broadcast from NBC since they now have Tommy Llamas as the new guy running, running the show.

A (49:27)

Is that the guy?

B (49:29)

No.

A (49:31)

Where did that guy go?

B (49:34)

That. What was his name? I think he lost his voice. I don't know.

A (49:41)

He just. What was his name? I thought that was Tom. That isn't Tommy almost. Who was that?

B (49:44)

No, no. Tom Yamas is a young looking guy. He looks like, he looks like a.

A (49:50)

Bigacy. Yeah. Jeff. Yeah. Okay, so he's gone. He's been.

B (49:59)

I don't know why. He's. I think he, I don't know what happened to him. He got my attention.

A (50:03)

He got my attention.

B (50:04)

We like the guy and he seemed to be a good reporter.

A (50:06)

Yeah.

B (50:07)

So let's go with the NBC now. Here's the Friday rundown.

A (50:10)

Tonight, the new photos from Jeffrey Epstein's estate just released.

B (50:14)

Rocking the rich and powerful.

A (50:16)

The big names who appear with him in those images. The pictures show Epstein with Donald Trump.

B (50:22)

Bill Clinton, Woody Allen and more.

A (50:25)

The photos released by Democrats as part.

B (50:27)

Of a congressional investigation.

A (50:29)

What the images could reveal and what those captured on camera with the convicted sex offender say about them now.

B (50:36)

The shocking downfall of Michigan's football coach in court today via Zoom. Charged with home invasion, stalking, breaking and entering. What we're learning about the threats he made to the staffer he was having an affair with. Dramatic rescues in Washington state.

A (50:51)

People trapped on rooftops. Thousands forced to evacuate.

B (50:55)

And the threat is far from over. King Charles opening up for the first time about his cancer battle. What he's revealing about his diagnosis. A terrifying attack in Georgia. A man throwing acid on this woman seemingly at random. Police asking for help in finding the person of interest. And what her family revealed to us about her burns.

A (51:17)

Alarming new video of a doordash driver.

B (51:19)

Caught on camera appearing to pepper spray a food order.

A (51:23)

How police are responding tonight. The comeback for the ages. Skiing great Lindsey Vaughn blowing away the competition. The oldest skier ever to win a World cup race. What she told me about her quest for gold in the Olympics.

B (51:38)

And there's good news tonight.

A (51:40)

The Rockettes celebrating 100 years.

B (51:43)

We'll introduce you to one former dancer.

A (51:46)

Still kicking at age 93.

B (51:48)

Nightly news starts right now.

A (51:51)

Wow. This is NBC Nightly News with Tom Yamas. Good. Good job, Tom. Good read. Good read. That was really great. Good intro. All right, everybody get set after the commercial.

B (52:04)

So they of course, just start off in that order of the, of the stories. It's interesting enough, but can I just say, million things. There's not in there. And the thing domestically, at least you'd think there'd be at least a mention of the multibillion dollar scandal of the Somalis stealing money from the people of Minnesota dream of the United States government.

A (52:27)

You see, if you listen to these reports, and I'm curious for your Saturday rundown, all that it is is things that could happen to you. That's what they're going for. What will get your nervous system. You could be, you know, your doordash guy could pepper spray you. I mean, what was all the other things? Acid in your face, of course. You know, your kid could get killed at Brown University. It's all about what could happen to you personally. And then, and then we'll whip you up at the end there to keep you going because you don't want to go, oh, I can't listen to this. Hey, I could actually be 41 and win a ski medal. I could become an Olympic athlete. Right? It's so obvious. They've studied this. They know, they know what keep, what keeps retention. They've got the smart news. Well, no, that it's entertainment.

B (53:20)

Spraying the woman, spraying the food order. They have a video of it from a ring door cam and it's like, it's not this. Okay, well, that's a, that's, is that network level national news?

A (53:35)

Gambling, anybody?

B (53:37)

I mean, it's like stupid. Meanwhile, there's a billion dollars in fraud by a bunch of Somalis.

A (53:45)

Yeah, but what about Israel, man?

B (53:48)

And in fact, they don't even mention that either. And they, I mean, of course, the shooting in Australia. Oh, that's just this morning.

A (53:56)

Wall to wall. It could happen to you, Jew. That's what it is.

B (53:59)

Actually, the wall to wall, which was annoying was the Brown shooting because they showed on Fox. They bumped everything and they just kept having the same report which once went like this. So, Bill, what do you know? Well, we don't know anything yet, but we do have a couple of people here that can, that can theorize on it. Let me ask them. Oh, what do you know, Bill? Nothing. We got nothing. Hour later, what do you know? Well, no, nothing. We got nothing. It's going to be a press conference, then they're going to tell them they know nothing. It's bull crap. And so let's go to Saturday. Yes, and here's the Saturday. This is yesterday's rundown. Breaking news, the active shooter incident at Brown University school alerting students to lock.

A (54:40)

Their doors, silence their phones and take cover.

B (54:43)

The late developments just in. Also breaking the deadly attack on American.

A (54:47)

Troops in the Middle East.

B (54:49)

Two army soldiers and a civilian interpreter.

A (54:52)

Killed in an attack in Syria according to the Pentagon.

B (54:55)

In what officials say was likely an ISIS ambush.

A (54:59)

Tonight, President Trump's warning the US Will retaliate. Tens of millions on alert for snow and arctic cold whiteout conditions in some areas causing massive pile UPS jackknife trucks.

B (55:12)

And traffic backed up for miles where.

A (55:15)

This is headed next. And the sub zero temperatures tonight. Newly released 911 calls from that deadly UPS plane crash in Kentucky.

B (55:24)

The sky's black.

A (55:26)

The plane just crashed.

B (55:28)

Hear from the witnesses who called in.

A (55:30)

Just moments after the flight went down.

B (55:33)

Inside the secret mission to get Venezuela's opposition leader out of the country. And after accepting a Nobel Peace Prize, what is Maria Corina Machado his vision for the future. Skiing superstar Lindsey Von keeping up her.

A (55:48)

Comeback for the ages.

B (55:49)

How she finished in her second day at the World Cup. Plus a comeback of another kind as.

A (55:55)

On online shopping sets records this holiday season.

B (55:58)

Why those big catalogs we all used.

A (56:00)

To get in the mail are making a return.

B (56:03)

And there's good news tonight about hundreds of people stepping up and lighting up the night to spread holiday cheer.

A (56:11)

And there's good news.

B (56:14)

With Jose Diaz nailed the formula. Yeah, of course, what can happen, what bad things can happen to you starts us off. It could be anywhere in the world. But it's generally what bad things can happen followed by somebody succeeding. The Lindsey Vaughn. Why are they doing Lindsey Vonn twice? And they still haven't mentioned the scandal in Minnesota. They haven't mentioned it's not on the news, it's not covered. But they have Lindsey Vonn twice in a row, two days in a row.

A (56:42)

But you see, you have to understand this is our opportunity right now. While every so mainstream is doing that, the alternative media, all the alternative media is doing is denouncing each other, denouncing Israel, denouncing Turning Point usa. Meanwhile, people tune into the no Agenda show to get a little bit deeper information, you know, like how Russia is going to attack Europe, how the Core 5 is being set up. And you know what, you're not going to hear that ever. I mean, until it's officially announced, they're not going to do it. It's not interesting. And by the way, that is why we just get by on this show. Because we, we know how to do it. We, we come. You are the master of trolling audience. You were the master. You did it for years. Max sucks. Oh, actually quite interesting. What they've done over there at Apple Mac is horrible. I mean, you, you were the master of it and, you know, but it doesn't fit the format. You're not even. What you used to do is no longer any good. So we just, we just kind of get into stuff. We tell people what's happening in the world.

B (58:00)

We deconstruct news.

A (58:01)

We deconstruct the news. And what is today? Today is the 14th. Yes. So there is one more day. But I tend to keep track of things when, you know how people say, well, that didn't age well. I always love that. I always love. Because I've done a lot of those, you know, like, well, curry. That didn't age well. But let me go back to just two weeks ago on this very show. Urgent intelligence alert with. With flashing lights, emojis. Ooh. NCTC National Counterterrorism center confirms Al Qaeda presence on U.S. soil. Imminent multi city Islamic terror attacks. So now we have Laura Loomer, we have Laura Logan, we have Alex Jones, we have General Flynn. It all kind of comes down to the sleeper cells and she says this. Sources tell me tonight that the National Counterterrorism center has officially determined that Islamic terrorists affiliated with Al Qaeda have infiltrated US soil and are actively planning a series of coordinated Islamic terror attacks. This marks the first time federal counterterrorism officials have openly acknowledged the immediacy of such threats, signaling a potential ESC domestic jihadist activity not seen since the height of ISIS inspired plots in the mid 2010s. She goes on and on and on. My sources tell me the attack strategy by Al Qaeda is designed to sow confusion and cripple emergency response. These terrorists have been purchasing large quantities of police and first responder uniforms from surplus outlets and online vendors in at least five states. These acquisitions, traced through bulk credit card anomalies and CCTV footage, suggest a plan to impersonate law enforcement during the assaults, allowing attackers to blend in, direct panic crowds, or even execute secondary strikes on fleeing victims. And we're back. And I should add to that that Candace Owens also said this. And she actually said this tweet will age well. And here on your no Agenda show, when we hear this kind of thing, we just play a jingle. Oh, is.

B (60:22)

We will follow them to the gates of hell, isis.

A (60:30)

Because we've been here before, we've heard it all. We've seen it all. It's all a hoax. All of it. All of it. It's all a big hoax.

B (60:42)

Hoax.

A (60:43)

It's amazing. The Epstein thing of course was very weak. Weak, weak attempt.

B (60:50)

Well, let me play the Epstein. I actually have the Epstein NBC report that came right after Tom Yamas got it pushed to the top. Okay.

A (61:01)

And good evening. We begin tonight with those stunning new.

B (61:03)

Images from Jeffrey Epstein.

A (61:05)

State the photos are stunning. A desk glimpse into his high flying.

B (61:10)

World featuring presidents, billionaires and celebrities. Stop the clip for a second. Second. People have to realize that they're showing all these, you know, the pictures that were released by Congress.

A (61:21)

Yeah.

B (61:22)

Or by the Democrats. There is nothing in these pictures.

A (61:26)

No, zero.

B (61:27)

They're boring, actually. They're just like a bunch of. It's like anybody's roll from their digital camera. It's just stuff.

A (61:36)

The pictures were released by congressional Democrats and President Trump just responded to them moments ago from the Oval Office. I did like the insinuation of the sex to pictures. Did you see those?

B (61:50)

No, they didn't show them on this report and I haven't seen them.

A (61:53)

No, there were now there were a couple of reports. That's a picture of some sex toys in boxes, you know, like anal intruder. And you know, and it was, was a glove, a glove with all kinds of ribbed fingers and stuff. And, and I'm thinking to myself, I would say 350 million Americans, whatever, it's got to be 100 million Americans who are going, oh crap, I got too, you know, it's like, what are you, what are you trying to do? What is this trying to tell us?

B (62:23)

One photo shows the President from years.

A (62:25)

Ago, pictured with six women whose faces have been redacted. Other photos show several high profile men. You see them here, including Bill Gates, Richard Branson and Woody Allen, along with this photo of former President Bill Clinton.

B (62:38)

That signed by him.

A (62:40)

What?

B (62:41)

Did you see the pictures at all? The one, there's a guy that looks exactly like Ron Blue.

A (62:46)

No, I missed that.

B (62:48)

Who says it wasn't next to Branson.

A (62:50)

Who says it wasn't him?

B (62:53)

Branson and Woody Allen, along with this photo of former President Bill Clinton that appears to be signed by him, showing him with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

A (63:02)

The White House blasting the release. House Democrats are trying to create a false narrative.

B (63:07)

And we should note these images do.

A (63:10)

Not appear to show anything illegal.

B (63:12)

But it all comes while the clock is ticking ahead of next week's deadline for the Justice Department to release their Epstein files. Ryan Noble starts us off tonight. From Capitol Hill.

A (63:21)

Wow, he's going to start us off. Well, I'm very excited about this report. Now what. What can we expect?

B (63:27)

I can tell you what to expect. What? You just heard exactly the same stuff.

A (63:32)

Here we go. Tonight, a new trove of photos. Trove. It's a trove. Trove.

B (63:37)

It's a trove.

A (63:39)

Epstein revealing more proof of the convicted.

B (63:42)

Sex offender's relations with several powerful men.

A (63:45)

These pictures, some of these photos.

B (63:47)

Hold on a sec. Do we need more proof? I guess we already know that this is not. What's new here in this report? Nothing.

A (63:56)

Nothing. But we're still going to listen to two minutes of it. So let's go.

B (64:00)

Ship with several powerful men.

A (64:02)

Powerful. These pictures, some of these photos are really disturbing. These images out of a tranche of more than 90. It's very disturbing that there's nothing implicating anybody in any of them.

B (64:12)

5,000 undated photos.

A (64:14)

Undated.

B (64:15)

Handed over to the House Oversight Committee.

A (64:17)

And released by Democrats.

B (64:19)

They do not appear to show any illegal activity. One shows Epstein with a younger President Donald Trump and an unidentified woman. Trump also appears in other pictures without.

A (64:29)

Epstein, but with women whose identities are protected by the committee. Trump.

B (64:34)

I hate to interrupt, actually, I don't obviously know.

A (64:39)

It's what we do. It's what we do.

B (64:40)

Why would you call it younger President Trump? Was he president then 25, 30 years ago?

A (64:47)

They always call him Trump or Mr. Trump, but in this case, a younger President Trump.

B (64:53)

Yeah, they always. Right. They always call him Mr. Trump or they. Even when he's. Currently they're discussing it, but now that he's. He's with a picture of Epstein and some blonde who's got a big smile on her face who they never identify. They say the younger President Trump, it's like, no, he's not younger President Trump. He wasn't president 30 years ago.

A (65:15)

No. We continue.

B (65:18)

Trump has denied knowing anything about Epstein's criminal activity.

A (65:21)

Then they don't call him President Trump, just Trump. She has photos with everybody.

B (65:25)

I mean, almost there are hundreds and hundreds of people that have photos with him.

A (65:29)

So that's no big deal. I know nothing about it.

B (65:32)

The committee also releasing this photo of Epstein in a bathtub and this one.

A (65:36)

A signed photo of Bill Clinton with, by the way, the bathtub photo. I'm like, that's a pretty normal looking bathtub.

B (65:45)

You know, he's just in the bathtub.

A (65:47)

So what? From like a, like a two bed.

B (65:48)

Oh, my God. He's taking a bath. That's right.

A (65:51)

A signed photo of Bill Clinton with.

B (65:53)

Epstein and his partner, Ghislaine Maxwell. Clinton has said in the past that.

A (65:57)

He'D wished he'd never met Epstein.

B (65:59)

There are also new photos seen with one time Trump ally Steve Bannon. The two posing for a mirror selfie.

A (66:06)

We're taking Bannon down.

B (66:08)

In another of that time.

A (66:09)

Yes, There was a picture on a.

B (66:11)

Desk of a woman who appears to.

A (66:13)

Be passed out in a bathtub.

B (66:15)

Other powerful people, like billionaires Bill Gates and Richard Branson are in the photos, as is film director Woody Allen. In one picture, Allen and Epstein are.

A (66:24)

On a movie set.

B (66:26)

Bannon, Gates, Branson and Allen did not respond to NBC News requests for comment. These photos are separate from the evidence held by the Department of Justice.

A (66:35)

Congress voted to force the DOJ to.

B (66:37)

Release that material a week from today.

A (66:40)

And congressional leaders are warning the administration better comply.

B (66:44)

This is a new law with, you know, criminal implications if they don't follow it.

A (66:49)

And Ryan, walk our viewers through the timeline. Now, should we expect more releases like this in the near future? Walk us through the time.

B (66:55)

Yes, Tom, we should expect a steady.

A (66:57)

Stream of releases just like this one. The committee, of course, in possession of.

B (67:02)

More than 95,000 photos, and they also have access to a trove of bang.

A (67:07)

Documents which they expect to release in.

B (67:09)

The very near future.

A (67:10)

All right, I can. I can top this.

B (67:13)

Now, by the way, don't you agree that the second report was identical to Tom Yama's rundown?

A (67:18)

Yeah, because they. Because why feel anything?

B (67:20)

This is what they do. All these news networks do the same thing. They give you what they're going to.

A (67:25)

Talk about, and then they talk about.

B (67:27)

It, and then they talk about it in the same manner that they told you that they're going to. It's just like, what is this?

A (67:32)

In third grade, they could have spent some time on the billions of dollars, dollars filched from the American taxpayer by the Somalis. I'm telling you, they won't touch it. It's so much more interesting. Instead, I think your representative, Dave Min from California, Dave Minh. Are you familiar with Min? I think he's Asian. Min.

B (67:53)

Min.

A (67:54)

Dave. Mean. Mean.

B (67:55)

Yeah. I don't know who he is. He's from la, probably.

A (67:58)

Yeah. So he comes on. What show was this? I can't remember what show this was. Was. I think it was cnn. And he's talking about the photo of the Trump condom, which, you know, if you look at it, it was obviously from the long period where Epstein hated Trump. It was a, you know, it was like. It was like a Novelty gift because it has Trump's face on it and underneath the letters, it's huge. Okay, okay. So that's all we're seeing. And listen to how this numbskull positions it. It's great. I do want to get your thoughts on one photo in particular and hope that you can give us some more detail. This image shows a bowl of novelty condoms with a caricature of Donald Trump's face on it.

B (68:53)

Can you tell us who took this picture, when it was taken?

A (68:56)

If there's any comments, context that you.

B (68:58)

Can provide about this?

A (69:00)

I think we're still working through the details. So we're trying to learn that information.

B (69:04)

As well as the identities and ages.

A (69:06)

We're trying to work through that information, learning the identities and ages of the young women he was standing around. Six women whose faces were covered up. We may not necessarily release all that information. We're trying to get those. No, of course you won't answers.

B (69:19)

But again, what I think that photo.

A (69:21)

Which was clearly like a gag saying it's huge, with Donald Trump's photo on.

B (69:26)

These condom packages, just illustrated the very.

A (69:29)

Buddy, buddy nature of the relationship between Trump and Epstein. The very buddy, buddy nature. Did you say buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy. The very buddy, buddy nature. We've seen lots of other indicators how close they are.

B (69:43)

The question that I think a lot.

A (69:44)

Of Americans want to know and a lot of the survivors want to know is was Donald Trump, Trump, someone who actually broke the law? Did he rape children? And we know, of course, one girl, now a woman, did Donald Trump rape children? Filed a lawsuit accusing Donald Trump of raping her when she was 13 or 14 years old. I believe that that was since taken back, that, that she drew the lawsuit under threat. She claimed that she was being threatened, her family was being threatened, but he raped her. And not saying that everyone in this country has the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but we all know he raped her. I am pointing out, however, that someone.

B (70:22)

Did file a claim in a court of law, he raped her, saying that.

A (70:25)

Donald Trump had raped her when she was 13.

B (70:27)

I think the question that a lot.

A (70:28)

Of us want to know, who else is involved? How many people are involved in this network? And we know that the COVID up.

B (70:34)

Goes all the way to the top.

A (70:35)

It's been a high level cover up for decades and decades under both Republican and Democratic in administrations. Oh, brother. That's California for you.

B (70:44)

Yeah, that's what, that's what makes the state so charming.

A (70:49)

Yes, it's extremely charming. Yes. Particularly Southern California. If he's from Los Angeles, it's a beautiful thing. It's just beautiful. So, yeah.

B (71:01)

Now, I never lived in Southern California, but you did.

A (71:04)

I did, yes. I barely lasted a full year. Year. It was so bad. Really. It was just horrible. I did not like it at all. Everybody, especially Los Angeles, everybody's just, who are you? What can I get out of you? Who are you connected to? Can you get me. Can you get me an audition? That's basic. That's basically it. But I'd love to hear. So I have this morning's interview with Maria Corina Machado. But before we do that, I'd love to get some of your Venezuela clips played.

B (71:40)

Yeah, this is kind of a rundown on. Well, it starts off with the WTF.

A (71:46)

Clip, which is wtf, clearly.

B (71:49)

Right. We're going to be focusing on Venezuela. The latest news is that last night on Wednesday, the US government released a video of US forces basically seizing a Venezuelan oil tanker. And the pictures are remarkable. I mean, it's amazing. You can see this much of a military operation happening in the ocean. But there's video of US forces rappelling out of a helicopter on ropes to land on the top of this massive oil tanker. And then, guns drawn, they're marching towards the cabin where the crew are. You can see them basically taking the ship. There's about 10 of them, land on it. It's really, really remarkable to be able to watch.

A (72:28)

Are you kidding me? The Houthis was ten times better. Better.

B (72:32)

It was better produced. But that brought to mind something I didn't consider. Who was taking this video. This is like the moon landing videos where the thing takes off and the camera follows it up. Who's running the camera?

A (72:47)

I think it was from another helicopter, I think.

B (72:50)

No, it was. It was stationary. I remember because I saw these videos over and over. And no, it wasn't from another helicopter. It was a. It was a stationary camera on the boat taking pictures of these guys jumping off their chops. Chopper onto the boat, rappelling.

A (73:05)

John. They were repelling.

B (73:07)

Jumping.

A (73:07)

They repelled.

B (73:08)

So they're repelling onto the boat. And the. And I was thinking about it when I. It was when this guy was going on and on and on about it on the BBC. I'm thinking, wait a minute, it is kind of fishy. Well, it wasn't as well produced over produced as the one you're talking about.

A (73:26)

The Houthis video was great. They had them busting.

B (73:29)

The point is still. Who took the movie? Movie? Somebody on the boat. Some guy with his cam. He's. Oh, let me hold. Look what's happening here. Instead of running for cover, he's standing there taking a movie. What kind of a moron is that? No, this is. There's something fishy about this, this takeover. So that's all I. So that got my attention. That's why I became a wtf.

A (73:49)

You're not doing. You're not doing it right. You're supposed take a. Take a page from Candace Owen. You're supposed to say, I don't know, I just kind of weird vibes about who took this. This video footage isn't that interesting. I'm just saying.

B (74:02)

I'm okay. We're just, we're just okay.

A (74:05)

We're just asking questions. Okay.

B (74:11)

Yeah, I'm not going to be able to get to that type of presentation. I would be making her money. So let's go with that. So this is all part of a BBC report that was on one of their. It was on the Service World Service and it was also on one of their podcasts. But here we go with the whole thing to part two. And that was released shortly after Donald Trump told us that they had seized this ship and said that they were. The US Was probably going to keep the oil. As you probably know, we've just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela. Largest tanker, largest one ever seized, actually. And other things are happening. So you'll be seeing that later and you'll be talking about that later with some other vehicles.

A (74:56)

What happens to the oil on that ship?

B (74:58)

Well, we keep it, I guess. Mercedes go.

A (75:01)

Of course. Well, you have to follow the tanker. You know, you're a good newsman.

B (75:05)

Just follow the tank.

A (75:06)

Do you know, follow it.

B (75:08)

Get a helicopter. Follow the tank. But we're going to. I guess we're going to keep the oil.

A (75:15)

The biggest. It had to be the biggest ever, didn't it? The, the, the seizure. But if you thought that was a kind of slightly peculiar Trumpesque reaction to what had happened, listen to the Venezuelan president, who was every bit as strange. Here's Nicolas Maduro.

B (75:31)

Don't be happy. Don't worry, be happy.

A (75:43)

Wait a minute. When did. This is Maduro.

B (75:47)

Yeah. You didn't see that?

A (75:49)

No.

B (75:49)

In fact, yeah, he got it. He had a sombrero on and he had this long Hawaiian like shirt. He started singing.

A (75:56)

That reminds us of a classic.

B (76:02)

Don't worry, be happy.

A (76:09)

Don't worry, be happy. But Putin did a great job. The Maduro. He really needs to work on his addiction. Let's go back that was good. The biggest, it had to be the biggest ever, didn't it? The, the seizure. But if you thought that was a kind of slightly peculiar Trump esque reaction to what had happened, listen to the Venezuelan president who was every bit as strange. Here's Nicolas Maduro.

B (76:35)

Don't worry, be happy.

A (76:43)

Don't worry, be happy. Just speak. Not.

B (76:55)

Just peace, not war, he was saying there and in Spanish immediately before he broke into song, he was saying to American citizens who are against the war. I respond with a very famous song. Now, the US has not actually declared war on Venezuela at this point and said that they had seized that oil tanker because it was transporting sanctioned oil from Venezuela and Iran as part of an illicit oil shipping network that the US says is supporting foreign terrorist organizations because there are American sanctions on oil from Venezuela. So they, they say the ship was breaking them and that's why it's been seized.

A (77:28)

Yeah, I mean it's fair to say most Venezuelan oil goes to China, doesn't it? In this day and age is not going elsewhere in the world. Listen to these agents, these North Sea Nexus agents trying to like make up the story here. This is very clear, it's cut dry what this is about. The sanctions been going on for years with multiple presidents. And now all of a sudden. Well, you know, by the way, I'm looking at that footage that was from a US helicopter. It's not stationary. It's taken from a helicopter.

B (78:03)

Well, maybe. No, whatever the case, for sure. Well, it still seems okay. Well good for them. Taking pictures of themselves, the back to this, this thing. It was the ship that was sanctioned.

A (78:14)

Yes.

B (78:15)

Not the oil.

A (78:16)

No, the oil is just abandoned.

B (78:18)

We had it on our show. 900 ships, ships are in this category to be seized.

A (78:24)

And I think there's, if I, from what I've read, there's about six more that are in imminent threat of being seized, like immediately.

B (78:37)

Well, you know. Yeah, it's a lot of free oil.

A (78:39)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (78:40)

It's like talking between 50 and $50 million a boatload.

A (78:46)

That's good.

B (78:47)

More or less.

A (78:47)

Yeah, yeah, it's crappy.

B (78:50)

Is it crappy? It's a real, it's a creme, it's a crummy oil we should mention.

A (78:55)

Yeah, you have to, don't you have to mix that oil there?

B (78:57)

No, it's not that bad. It's pretty bad though. It's a, it's a sour, heavy, sour oil. Typical Brent type oil that comes from under the water as opposed to land based oils like West Texas, which is some of the finest oil.

A (79:15)

Yes, yes. Black gold, Texas tea.

B (79:21)

I was looking into this, by the way, and the best oil in the world in terms of like, pure, like you pump it out. It's basically diesel fuel. You can put it in a truck.

A (79:32)

Where's that?

B (79:33)

Algerian Saharan crude. It's got almost no sulfur. Almost no sulfur. And the API, which is the measure of the viscosity, basically. Basically, the higher the number, the better, is the highest. And it sounds like it's very similar to me. It reminds me, when I was an air pollution inspector in Refineries are my thing, we had a little refinery that was shuttered some years ago called the Pacific Refinery that got some sort of Bolivian crude oil that was similar. And they didn't even need a desulfurization facility at the refinery, which is unbelievable. Little tidbit there for you. Oil and gas guy out there.

A (80:21)

Yes, yes. This is dynamite insight.

B (80:24)

It's not insight, it's a fact.

A (80:28)

All right, we go to BBC3, but it appears to be a ship that, at least in theory was at one stage coming from Iran, which obviously is also subject to sanctions. And it may well be that all of that is true and that it is sanctioned. But it's still a very big deal, isn't it? Not just because of stealing the oil and putting it somewhere, but much more importantly, stealing the oil. What did he say? Not just stealing the oil. We're not stealing the oil.

B (81:00)

He said stealing the oil and putting it somewhere. Where are you putting it?

A (81:07)

Very big deal, isn't it? Not just because of stealing the oil and putting it somewhere, but. Well, considering it's Brits. Yeah. They probably deem that their oil, their money. You're stealing our money. Yes. I'm sure that these people are in on it. Much more importantly, what it says about the ability of Venezuela to continue to do business in the modern world without Donald Trump putting more pressure on it. I think that's the question, isn't it, Sarah? Are we talking about a gradual ratcheting up towards something or not?

B (81:41)

Yes, I think we are a little bit of background. Our Americas will be very well aware that there have been over 20 US strikes now on boats that America says is smuggling cocaine to America from Venezuela. There has been CIA covert actions sanctioned inside the country, according to Donald Trump, and a huge buildup of military forces in the region as well, both land and sea forces. And Donald Trump muses every so often about the possibility of a land invasion. So I think we don't know exactly what he's going to do But I.

A (82:13)

Think we do know what his aim.

B (82:14)

Is and that is regime change. He wants Nicolas Maduro out in Venezuela. He doesn't like him. He's a far left ruler who is no friend of the United States, no friend of Donald Trump, does most of his business with China. And Trump has decided he wants to get rid of him. I don't know if he has decided whether he's prepared to go to war to do it, but I think he's prepared to use a fair amount of American, American muscle to see how much pressure it will take to topple Maduro.

A (82:36)

Who was that speaking on with such authority?

B (82:40)

One of the BBC.

A (82:42)

Women.

B (82:42)

I think it's a woman. You can't tell. It could be a guy if you think about it. But they. Some sort of, you know, I think they cited her. She's a Middle east or not a Middle East, Latin America expert. Was that clip three or four?

A (82:56)

That was three.

B (82:58)

Okay, because there's a clip. Five is an interesting one, but let's go to four and to those who.

A (83:03)

Think they've spotted a bit of a flaw in Donald Trump's logic. So on the one hand, he's telling the world, we don't care what you do. We're not interested in regime change anymore. We're not even interested in whether you pursue human rights or you don't pursue human rights. You just do what you want to do.

B (83:20)

He made that famous speech, didn't he? I think you were there, Sarah, in Saudi Arabia.

A (83:25)

Really cogent speech, I thought, actually that set out Trumpism. And of course, more recently we've had the national security document that they put out that caused so much upset in Europe, basically saying the world should get.

B (83:37)

On with its business.

A (83:38)

Except he's not doing that with Nicolas Maduro. And as you suggest, there are various reasons why Maduro could be a target. He's not a democrat. In fact, he almost definitely stole an election and he runs his country incredibly badly. And lots of people have to leave that country. Lots of ventures. Venezuelans have left the country. We'll perhaps talk a bit more about Venezuela in a second. But there is another reason, isn't there, why he would say this fits with his overall view of the world?

B (84:10)

A view of the world that was made very clear in that national security strategy that was released last week. Donald Trump believes that the United States has a sphere of influence in the Western Hemisphere and that basically Central and South America often to be, if not controlled by the United States, that he has the right to make sure that there are Regimes friendly there doing business with the United States and where he perceives there to be any kind of enemy or opposition, that he has the right to interfere and to intervene and that nobody else does. He's making it very clear that this is America's backyard, European or other foreign influence is not welcome in any way whatsoever, but that he ought to be allowed to, to cast it in his own image practically. So we have this pressure campaign against Maduro in Venezuela.

A (84:58)

Wow, these people are flipping out.

B (85:00)

They know he cast it in his own image. What does that even mean? How does he do, how does he cast Latin America in his own image? How does, what does. That doesn't even make any sense.

A (85:11)

I'm looking at it through the North Sea nexus lens and you know, right away, I mean, they know that this is hurting them. They know it. These people, they know.

B (85:22)

Admit it.

A (85:23)

Well, no, of course not, but they know. They just know through the Milo that they're in, you know, the people they talk to, you know, they talk to sources.

B (85:33)

No, I think you're dead right. You, you, you can stay with that lens as far as I'm concerned. Let's go to the kicker, which is the second to last clip. We've seen him interfere in Honduras where they are still in the process of counting the results of a very recent election. Donald Trump intervened in that by saying, backing the conservative candidate and making threats that the US Would stop funding Honduras if his preferred candidate didn't win. And then of course, he released the former president as well, who had been serving a 45 year jail sentence in America for drug smuggling. He was pardoned by Donald Trump. And then if you look at Argentina where his friend Mele is in charge, you see very, very friendly relations where a $20 billion loan has just been issued to Argentina in a form of a currency swap to help prop them up. And he says very.

A (86:22)

How about three months ago.

B (86:23)

Supportive things about Argentina. So what he's making obvious is if you are America's friend, then you will do very well out of this. And if you are in opposition to Donald Trump, watch out.

A (86:34)

Yes.

B (86:36)

Did you hear the little switcheroo she pulled there? If you're America's friend, things are great. But if you're in opposition to Donald Trump. Wait a minute.

A (86:45)

Oh yeah, good catch. Let's hear it again.

B (86:48)

Help prop them up. And he says very supportive things about Argentina. So what he's making obvious is if you are America's friend, then you will do very well out of this. And if you are in opposition to Donald Trump, watch out.

A (86:59)

Oh, yeah, good catch.

B (87:03)

I thought that was a little low. Low. That was a little bit sleazy.

A (87:08)

Oh, okay.

B (87:10)

Well, gambling. Okay, I get it.

A (87:13)

Right, right.

B (87:14)

So now this, by the way, so this is the last clip, but this is a, this is taken a little later in the thing. This was an album of this same discussion. So you can be thankful that you only got about 10 minutes max, probably about eight. But this little history thing I thought was good because it adds a. This is the last clip I have. It adds a little dimensionality to what's really going on.

A (87:37)

The Roosevelt Corollary, which would have been. I can't remember when it was the beginning of the last century, when Teddy Roosevelt was around, that basically said, not only must the Europeans not interfere in the Western Hemisphere, which is what the Monroe Doctrine said, but also America. Exactly as you're saying, Sarah, America takes to itself the responsibility to interfere where it needs to. And that's, I mean, it's fair to say this isn't new with Trump.

B (88:03)

I mean, it's been.

A (88:04)

The Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary have been much acted on. You mentioned Honduras. Honduras was the original banana republic and a lot of those bananas, almost all of them owned ultimately by American firms. And of course, this whole business of America's influence in Central America but also leaching down into South America is nothing new. But there's also just this sense now, I suppose, that with Trump, the thing that people thought might be different was that he wouldn't actually involve himself. There might be all sorts of rhetorical flourishes about those rulers. Okay, this is interesting. I'm just going to stop it here for, for a second. So as part of what I see as an OP with the Potter Sphere is that this is continuously being positioned as Trump Foreign wars. He's a neocon, you know, why are we doing this? Why are we, why are we in Venezuela? Why are we in Israel? Why are the Middle East? Why are we. So they keep positioning this away from what? I wish the President could just come out and say it. He says, look, the Brits suck, and we're gonna, we're gonna cut them off at the knees and all of the EU until they, until they, you know, get rid of all this dumb stuff they've been doing to us for 250 years. And so they just keep countering with, oh, yeah, oh, it's neocons. And people like Tucker fall for it. It.

B (89:34)

Because he instigates it. I don't think he falls for it.

A (89:39)

I, I, you give him more credit than I do. I don't think he's that smart. I think he just talks to people that he admires. He has dinners.

B (89:52)

Yeah, I do think you're right. I have a different opinion of him than you do.

A (89:56)

Okay, we continue.

B (89:57)

I think he's a little more proactive and sn sneaky than you do. You think is a function of his idiotic surroundings.

A (90:08)

Well, we saw him on Fox and we were always miles ahead of him. And then all of a sudden, you know, oh, the Fox was holding me back.

B (90:15)

Show is completely written by staff and it was like he was just happy to be there.

A (90:21)

Yeah. Anyway, let's keep going. Ikea Maduro would come into that category.

B (90:25)

Oh, by the way, stop. The guy says. He says the theater rot. Roosevelt. I think the word is corollary. But he has this weird.

A (90:32)

He says collary.

B (90:34)

Collary or something crazy. I don't know that the British pronounce it that way. Maybe. I think he may be missing Roosevelt.

A (90:41)

Roosevelt. The thing that people thought might be different was that he wouldn't actually involve himself. There might be all sorts of rhetorical flourishes about those rulers. He didn't like a Maduro would come into that category, but nobody thought he'd actually. Well, I think a lot of his supporters didn't think that actually act on.

B (91:02)

It because he said that he wasn't interested in getting involved in any more foreign wars. And even if he does think that South America is America's backyard, you know, it's very definitely foreign. And we've yet to see if he does have any interest in putting boots on the ground to support these policies. Even though there has been this huge buildup of forces, most of whom are stationed in Portugal, RICO at the moment, they could be there as a threat rather than an imminent invasion force. But this is not just because Donald Trump thinks that he ought to control the policies of other countries. This is absolutely rooted in American self interest. So he would argue that this is about America first.

A (91:38)

Yes. Okay. So they understand. They do understand it.

B (91:42)

They do understand it. Yeah. At that level.

A (91:43)

Yes. Okay, so I want to bring in Maria Carina Machado. And this whole thing is just so interestingly intertwined and is. It's not coincidence. So we actually had ex Special forces smuggle her out of Venezuela with, you know, with zodiacs in the ocean. And apparently, you know, everybody was aware.

B (92:07)

It was quite the mission. It's almost a movie.

A (92:09)

Yes, it will be a movie. And. And Ben Affleck will produce it.

B (92:16)

Because.

A (92:16)

He'S their go to guy for the.

B (92:19)

Go to guy for the, for the, for the, for the Pickle farm.

A (92:22)

But it'll, it'll only stream on NetFL. There's no more awards for you, Matt. I'm sorry. Ben.

B (92:30)

Ben. Ben. Who knows?

A (92:32)

So Maria wins the peace prize. She says Trump should have gotten the peace prize. Trump's like, ah, this is a nice lady. Then all of a sudden, in the midst of all of this, she's smuggled out by ex Special Forces with understanding or perhaps we should say collusion, any collusion.

B (92:53)

Well, well, if you listen to that last report from the BBC and the ones before they said that the CIA is already embedded in Venezuela. Oh yeah, loves to be in South America.

A (93:05)

They're everywhere.

B (93:07)

And so they're probably part of the op that got her out.

A (93:10)

So they got her out.

B (93:10)

They only went there for that reason.

A (93:12)

For all we know got that got her to Oslo. Then, you know, she's like, hey, hello, my Venezuelan people. She's on the balcony. None of this is by coincidence, by.

B (93:22)

The way, symbolically on the balcony, like Julian Assange. Well, are also on the balcony, like Evita Peron.

A (93:30)

Good point.

B (93:31)

Peron.

A (93:31)

I'm sorry. Yes. Don't cry for me, Argentina. And, and so now Margaret Brennan has Marie and Maria on the show this morning. And I think, I mean, I have a number of clips, but the first one may be enough. Help us understand what is going on because we are here in the US an increase in the pressure campaign, more sanctions on Venezuelan individuals and vessels. We saw an armed seizure of a vessel carrying oil out of Venezuela. Selling oil on the black market is.

B (94:10)

Really important money for the Maduro regime.

A (94:13)

Do you endorse this idea of more seizures and possibly even a blockade?

B (94:19)

Look, I absolutely support President Trump's strategy. And we, the Venezuelan people, are very grateful to him and to his administration because I believe he is a champion of freedom in this hemisphere. And that's why, and I say this from Oslo right now, I had dedicated this award to him because I think that he finally has put Venezuela in where it should be in terms of a priority for the United States national security. And we do support these actions because, Margaret, we are facing not a conventional dictatorship. This is a very complex criminal structure that has turned Venezuela into the safe haven of international crime and terrorist activities. So starting with Russia, Iran, Cuba, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Colombian guerrilla, the drug cartels operating freely and directed in partnership with Maduro and his regime, and as every criminal structure suffers, is when the inflows from their criminal activities are cut and these in the case of Maduro regime comes from the oil black market, the drug trafficking, gold smuggling, arms smuggling, even human smuggling and trafficking.

A (95:43)

There it is. It's all about the money. That's what we're doing. We're cutting off the money. And you're going to see, you're going to see this in Wall Street. Liquidity is drying up because it literally is being blown up in the ocean or stories stolen. It's so, it's so clear to me. But Trump just wants foreign wars. He's, he's a neocon. Neocon. So she, she's in on the game and she is the chosen one.

B (96:18)

Well, she's no slouch for knowing what, what side of the fence to be on and how to do it.

A (96:23)

It sounds like you support more sanctions and possibly more seizures of oil. How could you be. For Trump this is wrong. Wrong. But isn't there a risk that cutting off money will further hurt the already impoverished people of Venezuela? Isn't that a risk?

B (96:42)

Of course what we're doing is for the well being of the Venezuelan people. What we want to do is to save lives. But Maduro was the one who declared.

A (96:53)

A war on the Venezuelan people. Were.

B (96:56)

We didn't want a war. We are suffering with hundreds of thousands of killings and forced executions in the last years. And right now I want to be very clear with the international community. The resources Maduro gets are not going to schools or hospitals in Venezuela. Teacher earns $1 a day. Pensions are less than $1 a month. Our children go twice a week to school. The sources, the cash the regime gets from these illegal activities goes to buy arms, to pay gang members to spy and infiltrate and to even further increase their illegal narcotics activities and so on. So these resources are not going to, towards the people. They're going for corruption and crime.

A (97:54)

Yes, exactly.

B (97:57)

That's giving it to her. By the way, somebody mentioned one of these reports that in the 60s and 70s Venezuela had the highest per capita income of any people in the world.

A (98:08)

Oh really?

B (98:09)

Yeah, because they were, that's when they had, they just got their oil going. They had sitgo gas stations all throughout the United States and they had their own refineries and they were making just tons of money and they were redistributing it the way that air Arabs do to the people. I mean, it's like Kuwait. You know, it gets. You don't have to work there if you're a citizen.

A (98:27)

No, he's sending it back to his masters in England in the city of London. I'LL just play two more. Yes, or I love this one. Just because of a famous phrase here. The regime itself has done a number of things. They have revoked TV licenses for journalists to broadcast. Truthfully, he has jailed journalists. The United nations says the National Guard targeted political opponents, committed sexual violence, tortured people and committed other crimes against humanity. So from where you sit, is Maduro stepping down enough or do you need the entire regime dismantled, in which case that sounds like a country in collapse?

B (99:13)

That's a very good question because certainly Maduro is the head of the structure. But it's like any other mafia system. You have families or groups that operate and sometimes even compete among each other. There are different degrees in the crimes they have committed. Certainly those that have committed crimes against humanity that have been reported by the fact finding missions of the United nations should face justice, local justice and international justice. There are other members of the regime or the armed forces that have committed lesser crimes. And certainly we will search for justice, not revenge. But this I'm going to insist what we're leaving right now is chaos. Maduro represents chaos.

A (99:59)

We're going to put order, order out of chaos. Anybody? Isn't that something that we have somewhere? Or is that new world order, order out of chaos? I can't remember. Where's order out of chaos? All right, last one. Would that include U.S. peacekeeping troops or other troops on the ground?

B (100:24)

I cannot answer that question right now. I don't think that's the case.

A (100:30)

Trump told me not to talk about it.

B (100:32)

No, she hasn't. She knows that that's. She's at the cliff edge and she doesn't have the information to say one.

A (100:39)

Way or the other.

B (100:39)

I don't think they didn't tell her not to talk about it. They don't know. I cannot answer that question right now. I don't think that's the case. There are other countries that have offered support as well in order to strengthen democratic institutions.

A (100:56)

Are you what.

B (100:57)

Yeah, the government elect is in place, but we will have to address that once we have the, you know, the government elect in place and putting order, bringing order back to our country. And one thing that you mentioned before about the, you know, the refugee crisis, it's going to be exactly the country.

A (101:16)

Here we go.

B (101:17)

The day Maduro goes, you will see tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of Venezuelan migrants coming back home from the United States and all over the world. I mean, our diaspora is desperate to go back to Venezuela. So even from that perspective, it is a win win situation to have democracy in Venezuela.

A (101:42)

Win win It's a win. Win. This is two for.

B (101:46)

It's good.

A (101:47)

It's good, good.

B (101:48)

So it's probably true, because Venice, I haven't been there, but my understanding is absolutely beautiful country.

A (101:58)

I don't know. I've never been. I've never been.

B (102:02)

We should go.

A (102:06)

You can barely get to a meetup in your hometown. Go to Venezuela. But kind of on the tip of bleeding the, the North Sea nexus dry. This didn't get, of course, any real play in the news, but this is our Secretary of State Rubio, talking about NGOs. The United States has spent billions of dollars over the years in helping with health strategies all across the world. What we learned over time, and especially after coming here, is that oftentimes, and I'm oversimplifying it, but this is an accurate description, what would happen is we would go to a country and say, we're going to help you with our health care needs. Then we would drive over to Western Northern Virginia somewhere, find an ngo, one of these organizations, give them all the money, tell them, go to this country and do their health care program for them. That NGO would then take about, you know, some percentage of that money for their overhead and administrative costs. And by the time it got down to it, the host country had very little influence. It was sort of imposed on them. And only a percentage, percentage of the overall money ever actually reached the patients and the people on the ground that we were trying to help because of these costs. This makes no sense. No. So why are we hiring American and international NGOs to go into other countries and run health care systems that are parallel and sometimes in conflict with the health care systems of the host country? If we're trying to help countries, help the country, don't help. Help the NGO to go in and find a new line of business. And so that's what the model that we're breaking. We're not doing this anymore. We are not going to spend billions of dollars funding the NGO industrial complex while close and important partners like Kenya are either have no role to play or have very little influence over how health care money is being spent. Bottom line is, if you want to help a country, work with that country. There goes a big network.

B (103:58)

Well, that's this long overdue, and it's going to take forever to really break it up. We have a problem in the Bay Area. We had a thing. This is in yesterday's news. I was going to clip it. I didn't. Which was a news story about this little park over there. By the. By the One of the San Francisco docks. It's a. Supposed to be a kids park. And the city put $3 million together to build the. They had the park all outlined. They would put the playground up. 3 million bucks. Gave it to an NGO. The NGO paid itself a bunch of salaries. Didn't do anything. The money's all gone. Yeah, of course, of course. No, they're all. We're investigating it. They're not going to do anything about it. These guys, these NGOs are just siphons for just stealing money. Good at it.

A (104:45)

We're so dumb. We should have had an NGO a long time ago.

B (104:50)

I agree, I agree. It's probably still not too late.

A (104:53)

We're helping educate. We are here to educate people on news. Disinformation. Oh yeah, that's great. Yeah, we should probably give some money to these, these guys. We're dumb. Yeah, we're dumb. That's too bad. I mean.

B (105:13)

We'Re truthful, but yeah, we do our. We do our. What we're supposed to do.

A (105:17)

We're doing a good job of it.

B (105:18)

And it's. Unfortunately, people don't appreciate it as much as they could.

A (105:23)

Let me ask you a question.

B (105:24)

It's because we're not pushing it hard enough.

A (105:26)

So there's still some, but I think it's mainly Europe and probably British NGOs, et cetera. Active little update on Bulgaria. With the Gen Z, or as we like to say, Gen Z protests, we've had some success. Tens of thousands mass in the streets of Sofia, as they have done for the last few weeks and in several other Bulgarian cities. It's been a gradually growing movement driven by dissatisfaction with the government, accusations of corruption, economic grievances and a demand for new leadership. In common with similar protests in other countries, it's younger people, Gen Z, who are at the forefront with the demand for change, united under the slogan aimed at those in power.

B (106:15)

You angered the wrong generation.

A (106:18)

We truly hope our actions will lead to real change. What I can say with certainty is that we will not stop. We are prepared to continue with active protests uniting students from across Bulgaria and abroad. I believe that corruption, the way we keep on living and the money that's actually being stolen, that's the huge problem for us. And I truly hope that there will be some youthful energy boiling over. The growing anger and sheer strength of numbers appears to have brought about the resignation of the minority Center Right government, a move unanimously agreed by MPs.

B (106:52)

Therefore, I inform you that before the vote of no confidence today, the government resigns.

A (106:58)

The government's fall follows the scrapping of a controversial budget plan. It would have been the sixth vote.

B (107:04)

Of confidence since January and comes just.

A (107:06)

20 days before Bulgaria joins the euro in the new year. Huh? Right on time. And the new.

B (107:14)

That's a good one.

A (107:15)

Yeah.

B (107:15)

Just before they're going to get in the euro.

A (107:17)

Yeah. And the new thing is pign noses. That's the new Gen Z thing. You know, like a carnival pig nose.

B (107:25)

Yeah, you put a little pig nose on.

A (107:26)

Yeah, that's a new thing. If we see that here, we'll know what's up. And I just can't help but think.

B (107:31)

That, you know, we're not doing it to ourselves yet.

A (107:33)

Well, we are not doing it to ourselves but it's obvious that the Brits are still trying to. It may be this whole potosphere denounce scenario led by clearly British operatives. Although I think Candace just doesn't even know. Man. We both saw that interview with her husband George Farmer and I didn't clip any of it but what, what a bunch of horse manure that is. Oh yes. I asked her to marry me after 17 days because she was just awesome. Yeah.

B (108:10)

The whole. It's a very we that should be linked in the show notes.

A (108:14)

Actually put it in the show notes for that very reason.

B (108:17)

Yeah. And should be watched by everybody. But it's part of a five hour interview which I watched only could watch a little bit at the beginning and the five hour interview is actually more interesting if people can get to it. It's on YouTube. Five hours on. Oh man, they let you do anything. So five hours of yak yak yak and it's just nothing but hate.

A (108:37)

Hate for America. Hate for America.

B (108:39)

Hate for America. The two of these two guys are mocking the way we pronounce words and they, and they especially the word water. They have make a bunch of water and they're laughing at Americanisms and laughing at what a dumb country we are and blah blah blah.

A (108:59)

This guy is at the center of British elites at the Bullingdon Club at Oxford which is an all male dining society with only. I mean this is so. Alums are David Cameron, Boris Johnson. Yeah, these are really, these are good guys. Guys. He was politically active. You know he started turning Point UK with his own money and then he winds up marrying Candace.

B (109:33)

And then she becomes a unwitting dupe operative.

A (109:36)

Yes. And, and, and right on cue there's our buddy Tucker. He platforms my Milo. Do you remember, you remember how Milo got in? Because you know, Milo came, exploded and then went.

B (109:50)

Yeah, I Can't remember how he, how he.

A (109:52)

I looked it up.

B (109:53)

I looked canceled. It was during the era of the.

A (109:56)

Show, I think he was so. Yes. 2014, Gamergate. That's when he came in.

B (110:02)

That's when he came in.

A (110:03)

Yeah, that's when he came. But he was doing some stuff with Breitbart, I think. But he came in with Gamer Gate, branded himself.

B (110:10)

He was really, by the way, he came in. He was extremely talented.

A (110:14)

Yes.

B (110:14)

I thought his presentations were stunning. He was a good debater. He was a master debater.

A (110:21)

He is a major master debater. And he did the Dangerous Campus tour to get everyone all riled up. Remember, wherever you went, there were rides.

B (110:32)

Right. That's for.

A (110:34)

He called other people with.

B (110:35)

To change my mind.

A (110:37)

Yes.

B (110:37)

Yeah, yeah.

A (110:38)

No, he was early on that and he started with the whole I'm the dangerous. That was his, his brand. But then he, he went rogue and he started talking about. He started defending sexual relationships between men and boys as young as 13. And then he got pulled. I mean, they. CPAC canceled.

B (111:01)

He went off the rails and they pulled the plug on him.

A (111:04)

Simon and Schuster canceled his book deal. Breitbart kicked him out. But then, you know, he started to come back when, you know, this is classic. You know, he's like, oh, I'm ex gay now. That's what he was on Tucker for. No, I'm ex. By the way, did you know that he interned for Marjorie Taylor Greene?

B (111:27)

No.

A (111:27)

Yeah. And he was the one.

B (111:29)

I didn't see the. I did not see the Tucker. I should, I guess I should watch the Tucker interview.

A (111:34)

Yes, he, he was the one that orchestrated the dinner with Kanye and Nick Fuentes at the, with Trump.

B (111:43)

That's not the way I understand it, though.

A (111:46)

That's what he says. That's what he says. But you know, to me he's just, you know, they just sent him in on a missile as a, as a heat seeking missile. Go in there. You know, if they're, if their goal is to.

B (112:04)

Who's they?

A (112:05)

The British.

B (112:06)

Okay.

A (112:07)

The city of London, The Crown. Everybody who hates America, represented by.

B (112:11)

Right. And spooked out by MI6.

A (112:13)

Yes. What you do is you go after the biggest Gen Z organization in the world and blame it all on any Israel. And we know that the Brits hate the Jews. This is, I mean, I'm generalizing, but you know, they're the ones that said, hey, go live there. We drew this circle. That's your spot. Now in 1948 and before that, it was, it was, was it Rothschild Didn't. Wasn't it. Was it Rothschilds? Who. Who set up the. Who sent the letter? The Balfour. The Balfour Declaration. The Belfort Declaration.

B (112:47)

Yeah.

A (112:48)

So, you know, they're mucking around with.

B (112:52)

More background on what else he talked about on Tucker. And what would you think the point of it was?

A (112:57)

To reintroduce him so that he could get on Tim Pool. Then he can yell about everybody and just cause more confusion and keep the fire going.

B (113:06)

Candace is starting to burn out the rounds, which we can almost identify. Tim Pool. Prouder, perhaps.

A (113:14)

He already was on Tim Pool. He already did the whole Tim Pool thing. Oh, yeah. He'll be on Megyn Kelly if he hasn't already. Let me see. Let's see. We can probably find out. Yes, he's.

B (113:27)

He's been saying, get his touring schedule. It's on Milos.com, you know. No, I'm sure he's got a touring schedule. It'd be the same old, same old podcasts that everyone defends when we ever mention anything about him on our show. You're throwing bricks at the glass in the glass house.

A (113:46)

You're shooting inside the tent, man.

B (113:49)

That's the phrase.

A (113:50)

No, no, no, no, no. This. I. I truly believe this is meant to destabilize Gen Z in our country. That's a different approach, but if you just look. Okay. He's been on Candace in September. Legion of Scott Skanks. Oh, we got to be on that show.

B (114:11)

Legion of Skanks.

A (114:14)

Skank Fest in Las Vegas.

B (114:16)

Skank Fest.

A (114:17)

Yes. With Tim Pool and Steven Crowder. I guess it's some kind of live. Oh, Piers Morgan. Hello. Another MI6 stooge. Piers Morgan. And then Tucker Carlson. And now he's been. This is what I have so far. And then Tim Pool. It's all so obvious. Obvious. Get these limeys out of our country. And these pilgrims. Get them all out. Pilgrim society. Look it up, everybody.

B (114:46)

Yeah, Tucker's a big, big shot in that thing.

A (114:49)

We don't know that for sure, but it could be.

B (114:52)

We're pretty sure.

A (114:54)

I've really researched. I can't find it. I can't find it. But I do think we should be at Skankfest next year. I mean, there's no reason why we can't be at Skankfest.

B (115:04)

Skank Fest 2. Skank Fest. What is the point of it? I have to look it up now.

A (115:13)

What?

B (115:13)

You're a skank. Like, which is a. Which is a deplorable woman who is just kind of a. Worse than a slut. Let's find out and you're gonna have a convention of your of your own types. What is that supposed to mean?

A (115:26)

Skankfest New Orleans is a three day comedy festival described as a blend of Mardi Gras Gras, punk rock shows and comedy heaven. It features stand up comedy, live podcasts, surprise guest appearances, tattoo artists, a vendor village and late night events.

B (115:46)

So they're only using. There's, it's not really for skanks. No, it's just they've, they've co opted the word yes to make it into some sort of a dubious festival.

A (115:59)

It's kind of like the Edinburgh Festival in America. Skank Fest sounds good. Skank fest. Well, maybe we just missed the invitation in the email.

B (116:12)

I don't think we missed anything. Nobody cares about us. They don't like us.

A (116:15)

No, because we shoot inside the. Shoot inside the tent, man.

B (116:19)

Let's talk about the Congo.

A (116:21)

Oh, Africa news. All right, bye everybody.

B (116:26)

Now, the only reason I want to play this, I'm going to play. I have a series of Congo clips, but I want to play, play the, this clip from the last. I didn't play it on the last show. Plus another clip I want to play first. The Congo humiliation. Clip is 23 seconds.

A (116:39)

Okay, here we go. The resumption of fighting in the east of the Democratic Republic of Congo has been described as a humiliation for President Trump by the foreign minister of neighboring burundi. Rwandan backed M23 rebels have marched into.

B (116:54)

The Congolese government's last bastion in South Kivu province. The advance came less than a week.

A (117:00)

After the U.S. brokered a peace deal. BBC News.

B (117:05)

Yeah, this is a, it's a humiliation for Trump, according to the BBC. Let's go to this other clip. This is Southeast SE Asia war.

A (117:14)

Okay. The US President Donald Trump says he will telephone the leaders of Thailand and Cambodia to try to convince them to end the military clashes along their shared border that have continued for a third day. Mr. Trump helped broker a ceasefire between the two countries in July. But on Monday, Thailand carried out airstrikes with Cambodia responding with rocket fire. Now, Southeast Asia correspondent Jonathan Head is on the border. The sound of Cambodian rocket launchers firing.

B (117:42)

Salvo after salvo into Thailand.

A (117:44)

The war President Trump said he'd ended has fled up again on the Thai side of the border. The rockets can be heard exploding, killing and injuring soldiers and.

B (117:55)

And ripping apart houses which, thanks to.

A (117:57)

A swift evacuation, are empty. Thai artillery can be heard constantly firing back in temporary evacuation centers all along the border. In both countries, hundreds of thousands of people have sought safety for the second.

B (118:11)

Time in five months, the US has.

A (118:14)

Urged the two governments to return to the ceasefire brokered by President Trump. Speaking to supporters, he sounded confident he.

B (118:22)

Could do it again. Who else could say, I'm going to make a phone call and stop a war of two very powerful countries, Thailand and Cambodia. They're going at it again.

A (118:32)

He's no good. He's no good.

B (118:35)

So the BBC is going after Trump for being a. And if you listen to that, right in the middle there, they said the way they phrased it was the war President Trump. The war President Trump tried to stop. But when you hear it just as a single, standalone, alone. The war President war President Trump.

A (118:55)

Yes.

B (118:57)

Which I thought was genius in terms of propagandistic usage.

A (119:00)

Very good, but good job.

B (119:01)

But it was like the BBC has done this and that was from like last, you know, a couple of days ago. Today they're there or not today, but yesterday they're still hounding Trump for being a phony baloney. Can't really stop wars. And let's go play this clip. Congo War one.

A (119:19)

It's been barely a week since Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo signed a peace accord with President Trump in Washington to end the fighting in eastern areas of the drc. But it hasn't stopped the fighting. The United States has blamed the M23 militant group backed by Rwanda for the violence. Now, Rwanda has accused the Congolese army of ignoring the ceasefire.

B (119:43)

I spoke to our global affairs reporter.

A (119:46)

Richard Kagoi in the Kenyan capital, Nairobi, and I began by asking him why where this latest bout of fighting has broken out. The fighting is taking place in eastern Congo, specifically in a region called South Kiva Province. And so this is the area that does border Tanzania and Aburundi, so separated by Lake Tanganyika. And so what has happened is that the M23 rebel group has been advancing farther into South Kiva Province after taking over the biggest city, which was called Bukavu.

B (120:18)

And now the they have seized a.

A (120:19)

Second largest town where the Congolese government had its base, called Uvira. Richard the two sides signed a peace.

B (120:28)

Accord a week ago, and now we.

A (120:30)

Have Rwanda and the DRC blaming each other for this new bout of fighting. Yes, it's just typical of situations as they do evolve in this part, in terms of this conflict. The DRC is arguing that it's protecting its territorial integrity. It wants to retake territory that it lost to the rebels. It says that it wants to protect its civilian population and stop the advance.

B (120:56)

Of the Rwandan back rebels.

A (121:00)

Really boring.

B (121:02)

But it's war and it's Trump's fault.

A (121:06)

The war president. We all know it. He's the war president. Yeah, it's. It's. We're under attack, man.

B (121:16)

From the sounds of it. That's why I'm really listening to the BBC a lot more because I get to pick up these subtle little. These, These needling that they keep doing.

A (121:24)

Well, let me.

B (121:25)

They play it so straight. Oh, yeah, no, we're great.

A (121:28)

Well, let me stop you right there since we're at two hours and one minute. I'm glad you stopped yourself because I need to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in color. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.

B (121:49)

I'm John C. Dvorak. In the morning to you, Ms. Adam Karina. Ships, sea boost and graphene. The air subs in the water. All the names of nice out there.

A (121:55)

In the morning to the trolls. I can't get an accurate troll count.

B (122:06)

This is the same thing you say every time.

A (122:08)

No, not every time. Oh, 1786. Thank you. Cotton gin.

B (122:11)

That sucks.

A (122:13)

Well, you know what? I'm about to stop counting the trolls. They just rob me of my joy. Yeah.

B (122:20)

You've been bitching about this since before the show.

A (122:23)

Well, you know, it's. And it's all about you. I mean, they're saying horrible things about you and I just don't like it.

B (122:30)

I'm glad you defend me. The real thing that happened here today for people who don't listen to the pre show live, is that Darren o' Neal for the end of the show mix, you're gonna hear it. Until today's show did a thing. A song called no Agenda Christmas.

A (122:45)

Yes.

B (122:45)

Which is a fabulous AI produced tune with lyrics probably by Darren.

A (122:52)

Yeah.

B (122:52)

And. But the song itself is just. It's. It's a hit.

A (122:57)

It's. It's. It's a toe tapper too.

B (122:59)

And it's a toe tapper, which is important. And, and it's. I guess a couple of people in the chat.

A (123:04)

No, no, no. A hundred.

B (123:07)

A hundred people in the chat room who hate Adam and they hate Darren and they hate the show. To be honest. They hate the show.

A (123:14)

They just.

B (123:14)

Haters.

A (123:15)

They don't donate. They hate the show.

B (123:17)

They're haters. And they. They bitched and moaned all at once, I guess. And Adam caught it and he got. He got irked about it and he's been irked ever since.

A (123:25)

He's been irked I have been irked because it's just. It's so annoying. I mean, why do you show up? Oh, I know why. Because I respond to it.

B (123:33)

I.

A (123:33)

Obviously, we're boomers. We're boring. I think I just need to close.

B (123:41)

Well, that could be true, but it's beside the point.

A (123:46)

Good point there. Yeah, it's a very good point. Boy. Well, not everybody thinks we're boring. Some people see value in us. But I understand. I understand, you know, that change is hard. It's hard to hear that, you know, that we disagree with your favorite podcasters who you're all addicted it to. Yeah, man.

B (124:08)

Yes. Yes. Okay.

A (124:11)

Fuentes is right, man. Yeah, he's awesome.

B (124:15)

I like for Wintus's show.

A (124:18)

Oh, yeah, You. You watch a bit of it here and there, don't you?

B (124:21)

I don't consistently do it, but when I do it, I've always enjoy it. He's a. He is a. He is a. If it was a different media landscape, he would be on TV or locally, at least doing the. The locally. Well, locally, I mean, but could be network. He has the chops. He never flubs for a guy who's an amateur, supposedly. He doesn't flub, he doesn't stammer, he's slick. He's got a good voice and his modulates well. And he's funny. He's extremely funny. And I don't understand what the big complaining is.

A (125:03)

Well, because he says Hitler was great, Stalin was great.

B (125:10)

He explains what he meant by that Stalin thing in particular. I'm not going to sit here and defend Fuentes because he can do it himself, but I'm going to do this.

A (125:19)

Yeah, doing a good job.

B (125:20)

He goes on. He thinks Stalin is great as a heroic figure that needs to be studied. He thinks then he'll follow that by saying he was a horrible person, a sick mented, deranged creep. But that doesn't mean he should be ignored in the scheme of things. How does a guy like that make manage a large country? How did he do it? And how did he stay in power so long? That sort of thing is why he thinks he's great.

A (125:47)

You are defending him. That's great.

B (125:49)

It's reasonable.

A (125:50)

Yes. No, I'm not against him. I'm not against anybody, but he's part of the system.

B (125:56)

Well, he is definitely locked in that. And he's got a crush on Candace and there's something going on between those two, and I don't get that at all. So there's. So it's part of that. Oh, you forgot our local podcast, Nexus.

A (126:11)

You got to call him a fed. Every. You got to call every. I denounce you. You're a fed. John C. Dvorak. That's. That's the new thing. You got to call each other a fed.

B (126:20)

Yeah.

A (126:21)

Oh, you just ooze fed slop. I watch too much of this, obviously.

B (126:28)

Yeah, you're obvious. Yeah. You're on the. Off the deep end.

A (126:31)

No, I mean, but I. I'm telling you, people are watching this stuff, though. They're into it.

B (126:37)

Well, the people that are doing the presentations are good at it. Candace is no slouch.

A (126:42)

Definitely not.

B (126:43)

She is a really good presenter, and she does her act beautifully. Fuente is the same thing.

A (126:49)

Okay.

B (126:51)

Okay. And Tucker is a pro.

A (126:54)

Yes.

B (126:54)

And I mean, so you have all these professional, basically professional broadcasters, and you wonder whether they have a big audience. Well, except for that amateurish laugh.

A (127:05)

I think it's abhorrent, really. I mean, it's just. I don't like war. I don't like death. I just don't like. I don't like it. And I don't like our president, you know, sending money to other country.

B (127:16)

You know, if you could get his voice down, he has a. His register is higher than yours. Yeah. You have a Barrett natural baritone voice. He's close to a tenor.

A (127:25)

Yeah, I can't do it.

B (127:27)

And to do a tenor voice with a natural baritone voice, which you have, is not easy.

A (127:32)

In case you hadn't noticed, the show doesn't end after two hours. People look into, oh, there's another hour left. What's going on? What did they do in there? Well, we do a couple of things. First, we thank people who support us value for value. After we tell you that the best way to listen to this show is on a modern podcast app. That's how you get into this crazy troll room in the. In the first place. Or by going to no agenda stream.com and apologies for no agendashow.net was a. I messed it up. It was the right show, but it was the wrong show notes. And, you know, after. After three and a half hours. Sometimes I make mistakes. So sorry that it was. It was confusing to people, which is probably why almost no one donated. It wasn't the newsletter's fault. It was my fault. I think if people. You know, there's a lot of people that just listen on the website, which I always find interesting. It's. It's some. It's like 18 or 19% of people who listen to. To the show go to noagendashow.net and listen there. How do you listen to the show? You don't listen to the show.

B (128:36)

When I listen to the show, I do it off the website.

A (128:38)

You do. It's all you. It's you and the Dvorak clan, maybe. So we have a number of ways you can support us. Value for value is the methodology that we have employed now in our, in our 19th year. And by the way, I have to mention something here. This is going to disappoint a lot of people, but I don't feel too bad about it actually today, for the first time, maybe the second time in our history, we will not be doing a broadcast on Christmas Day.

B (129:09)

What? Yeah, we're going to be sending something out. So we are doing a broadcast.

A (129:14)

We are doing a broadcast. But I don't have any thematic show. So I'm reaching out to the producers who get incredible value from this program and get actual news and fund deconstruction of dumb media to come up with an idea. And it's very easy to find stuff these days on Bingit IO you can find all kinds of.

B (129:36)

Do we have nothing in the can?

A (129:38)

We got nothing in the can. No.

B (129:41)

Probably produce a couple of things.

A (129:43)

Well, I mean, we've done so many themes. But I'll just say the reason why is my daughter is coming for Christmas and I would just like to spend this Christmas with my daughter. She's coming over from Rotterdam. She's going to be with us for a week and I just. And she wanted an old fashioned old school American Christmas, which, let's face it, doesn't get much better than that in Fredericksburg, Texas. So I want to honor her and therefore I will not being the show, be doing the show. You can do the show if you want with your buddy Nick Fuentes if you want to bring him in. That would be a good show.

B (130:22)

It would be a good show.

A (130:24)

That would be a great show. I would resign just to hear that. That. So Ideas are welcome. Adamacurry.com don't email. You know, whenever people don't get a response from you on email, they just say he's blocked me even though it's not true. Have you noticed this?

B (130:43)

Yeah, I notice it.

A (130:44)

Yeah. They don't get a response and they email me. John Black me. So I'm going to email you with my complaint about John. Stop it.

B (130:53)

Yes, Stop the idea.

A (130:54)

Hello, bad idea.

B (130:56)

It's a great idea.

A (130:58)

You can support us with your time, your talent, your treasure, which we appreciate all versions of it. Thank you to Steve, our clip collector, who's been just fantastic these last few Sundays. He starts rolling his recordings the minute all the Sunday shows come on. It's very much appreciated. We have people like Dave Ackerman who gets me all the Euro news. I mean, it's really, really helpful. Very, very helpful what everybody does. People organizing meetups. And of course we have people making artwork and they upload that@noagendaartgenerator.com so we can choose something fun for art. And even though we explained what we're looking for, it's still very difficult. I guess the LLMs just haven't figured out exactly what we need, art wise. However, Blue Acorn did a pretty good job with his itm, which was kind of the takeoff. I don't know if anyone else caught it, but the font wars, in a way, I think that's what, what it was. Is that. Isn't that how we took it?

B (132:04)

What he called it? I think.

A (132:05)

Oh, he really actually called it the font wars.

B (132:07)

Yeah.

A (132:07)

Let me take a look. But it was, it was a. This is what we need. The piece popped, you know, it just popped out of the page and when it pops like that, that makes you want to look closer if there are any fonts details in there. And he did a good job. And let's see what else there was. Let's see. Wow, there's a lot of art today already. Was there anything else we liked?

B (132:35)

No, but I'm liking Jeffrey Ray's Santa Cross. Merry Christmas 2 coming up with instead of reindeer, it's a bunch of babes.

A (132:43)

Yeah, no, I don't like that. We're not gonna. Yeah, I'm sure you do. Go put it on your sub stack on the Oasis. On the Oasis. A lot of people tried to do font wars. Then there was some now available on pornhub, which I was all for You. You were against that? There were some people tried some dogs, some robot dogs. But in general, if you don't have a good idea, your art's not gonna just. It's not gonna work. No matter how smart you think the is, it just, it doesn't really translate. You need good ideas, but give someone a good idea.

B (133:25)

We already have like a whole page full of stuff for today.

A (133:28)

Yeah, well, most of which we're not going to choose.

B (133:31)

Well, obviously you can't only choose one piece, so that's always.

A (133:35)

No, but it's going to be hard to be like, oh, there's really nothing here.

B (133:38)

No, there's I think at least 10 pieces that are you there?

A (133:41)

Is there 10 pieces?

B (133:44)

I think. Well, okay, three. Maybe one, maybe two. Three for sure. For if you let the girls pulling the sled.

A (133:53)

I'm not, I'm not allowing that the girls pulling the sled, it's, it's, it's unfriendly to women anyway. We always thank all of our financial supporters, the treasurer of the three T's and we thank everybody who comes in with $50 or above. And we appreciate any amount. Anytime, whenever you feel you've received value from the show, send it to us. That's the only way the show survives. And we start off today on a happy note, bringing my joy back from the Archduke of Central Florida in Winter Park, Florida. Rubberizer donation. India Tango Mike standby 33, 33, 33, 30 out. $3,333.33. Take that trolls. And the Archduke of Central Florida says. Dear John and Adam Rubbleizer donation from the Archduke of Central Florida. I have been enjoying the North Sea nexus analysis over the past month and hope you keep us apprised of new happenings. Well, I think we've done that today. It is way more interesting than Africa news. John.

B (135:05)

We did that too.

A (135:06)

Including coup belt stuff. Stories also help us understand all the elements of the Minnesota fraud issues. It is fascinating how little traction this has had in the media.

B (135:17)

Looking forward, as pointed out on this show numerous times today, looking forward to.

A (135:22)

Seeing the challenge coin. No jingles, no karma. Five more years. Well, if you keep supporting us this way, we might make it. Thank you, Archduke of Central Florida. We greatly appreciate your enormous support of the show.

B (135:36)

Yeah, that was a nice surprise.

A (135:38)

Fantastic.

B (135:39)

Moving on to Christopher Kessler in Marshfield, Wisconsin who came in with a nice $543.21 but he's got no note that we could find anywhere. And so we give him a double up. You've got.

A (135:53)

Karma, but if you have a note, send it. Elizabeth Lambert is in Crown Point, Indiana. $500 dollars switcheroo for John Lambert. Oh, hold on a second. Let me switcheroo that and make sure we get that in. There we go. Switcheroo for John Lambert in honor of his traveling around the sun for half a century on December 15. We may not get to celebrate tomorrow if you know, we get the 911 style attack, but hopefully we'll be okay.

B (136:23)

Was it tomorrow?

A (136:24)

That's. It's the first two weeks of December so that tomorrow is the. The last day.

B (136:28)

Oh, so it's got to happen by tomorrow.

A (136:30)

It's got to happen by the by close of business tomorrow. And she goes on to say, john, we love you very much, and this might finally get you to knighthood. Love always, Elizabeth. And she has a pronunciation guide. Maran and Amelia. Elizabeth Maran and Amelia Elizabeth Maran and Amelia.

B (136:52)

And yeah. So that's the end of our executive producers. And we go right to associates. We got a lot of these today. For some reason, Duke of San Francisco leads us off in San Francisco. Obviously, he's in $277.33 territory. And he says the Duke of San Francisco loves font geekery, which is the discussion we had in the last show about. About fonts.

A (137:15)

Yes.

B (137:17)

And he says this is a Georgia. He's a big fan of Georgia font, obviously. Georgia donation. And then he wants a chemtrails and a fluoride in your cup jingle.

A (137:29)

Miss Porn, Awaken up is fluoride in my cup. And there was another note I wanted to read that came in because we talked because, you know, we. We take the font war seriously.

B (137:44)

Yeah.

A (137:46)

Yes. Paul Potash. We received this from Matt from Florida Lawn Solutions. We have produced. We have the best producers in the universe. And he knows a lot about potash because we. We didn't really know everything, except a lot comes from Canada. He says there's a couple of different forms of potash you can buy. There's a muriate of potash, which is a potassium chloride and sulfate of potash, which is potassium sulfate. We use sulfate. And the price went up over 35% from this year. Canada does produce some, but I think China and India produce more. I checked and the muriate was about the same price. It's already a cheaper product anyway. This mostly comes from Canada because of the chlorine content. The muriate isn't good for fruit or vegetable plants, but it's okay for grasses, which includes rice. Aha. I think the rice likes the chloride anyway. Oh, yeah, my rice loves chloride. Some states can produce potassium. I know Utah is able. Might not be enough to do icy anyway. Icy. Not sure what that means, but like with a lot of things, regulations have pushed it offshore. Anyway, if they add a tariff on the muriate, it will hurt the grain farmers. Fruit and vegetables probably already have been paying extra on the sulfate because most of it's coming from tariff places. And he says, thanks for all you do. Please, more fertilizer talk.

B (139:08)

Well, I have a bonus clip and a double bonus clip right now because of that note. Okay, first of all, let's listen to the. Just the basic story about the Belarus prisoners the BBC clip.

A (139:21)

Okay. Belarus has released more than 120 prisoners, including the Nobel Peace Prize winner Alias Bielyatsky and the prominent opposition activist Maria Kolyasnikova. It comes after the United States agreed to lift sanctions on the country.

B (139:38)

There's not much to that, but let's listen to the PBS clip for Lifting sanctions on the country adds a dimension.

A (139:45)

Belarus freed more than 100 prisoners after the United States said it would lift sanctions on the close ally of Russia. Among those pardoned by Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko were two opposition leaders and Alice Bialiatsky, who shared the 2022 Nobel Peace Prize. Earlier, US special envoy John Cole said the United States would lift sanctions on potash fertilizer, one of the nation's most important experts. Now Cole said improving U.S. belarusian relations could lead to more prisoner releases. President Lukashenko, who should get a tremendous amount of credit for this, I think that he is moving. He wants more normalized relationship with the.

B (140:28)

United States and the more Viking. We're moving in that direction.

A (140:33)

Lukashenka is an authoritarian leader known for dealing harshly with dissidents. Western nations have sanctioned Belarus for cracking down on human rights and for letting.

B (140:43)

It's like they beat her. They just, they missed the point of the potash. Of the potash. So screw Canada. We can get our potash from Belarus by just making a phone call and say hey, release a few people, you know, show sign of support here. Give us a break and now give us your potash.

A (141:05)

Yes, exactly. Screw you. Yeah, Canada, they are so dumb up there. They really should become our 51st state. We'd be so great together.

B (141:18)

That's not going to happen.

A (141:20)

John Siebert is up next. Is this a bitcoin donation?

B (141:25)

Yeah, I guess so.

A (141:26)

Okay. 255 and 18 cents and it's a switcheroo for Stephanie Siebert. Okay. Seems like they would be related. Let's see what he says. Thank you, Adam, John, for your unique perspective on the media. Is that like saying she has a nice personality? I'm not sure. No agenda listeners. Please visit arcanaresin.com for handmade earrings, necklaces and sun catchers. That's arcana A R C A N A resin R e s I n.com all items are created with hand picked flowers from the Sierra foothills and preserv preserved in resin. Visit arcanaresin.com today and ensure delivery by Christmas. Thank you for your courage. John Siebert from Auburn. Auburn, California. He says AKA he is Scott Adams from the Albany Meetup. So you have you met Scott Adams.

B (142:20)

Oh, Scott. Yeah. There's a guy. He looks funny.

A (142:22)

He looks like Scott Adams.

B (142:24)

Dead ringer, only taller.

A (142:26)

Wow.

B (142:28)

And every time I see him, I always say, hey, Scott Adams is here.

A (142:31)

Yeah. How is Scott Adams anyways? He's still.

B (142:33)

He's hanging in there a little bit. He had to go to the hospital the other day.

A (142:37)

And you should give him another call, man, because when people don't answer me.

B (142:42)

Anymore, he's mad at me for something I said about vaxes or something. I'm not sure what.

A (142:46)

Are you sure he won't answer? I mean, he may have forgiven you. You'll regret it. Just give him a call.

B (142:52)

I tried a couple of times. I'll give him another call.

A (142:54)

Yeah, just, you know, because I have his phone.

B (142:56)

I actually have his cell number. Very few people do.

A (142:58)

The problem with when you're sick is people think, oh, he probably doesn't want to be bothered. And then no one calls them.

B (143:04)

No, that doesn't. No. I've never been that way.

A (143:06)

Okay, well, good.

B (143:07)

If you're sick, I'm gonna bother you. Christopher Graves in Mount Alkammer is our buddy in Little John's Candies. Little John's Candies. $242. The holidays are about giving. And donate to the no Agenda Show. Donate to the no Agenda show he writes. And shop@littlejohnscandies.com use code ITM10+10. And say 10% for yourself and donate another. The other 10% goes to the no Agenda show, which seems to be every show now.

A (143:37)

Yep.

B (143:38)

Little John's world famous toffee is made fresh and. And it says chipped, but he meant shipped to your house.

A (143:45)

It might be to your door. It could be shipped short. It's a short game.

B (143:51)

Little JohnScandies.com no jingles, just Christmas cheer.

A (143:55)

And thank you, Little John John's Candies, for sending us another box of your toffee and classic fudge. We've been feeding it to our friends and neighbors and spiritual family here in Fredericksburg, and everybody loves it, so I'm hoping they order from you. DJ Sphinx in New York City. I don't recall ever having a DJ Sphinx donate, do you? Does it sound familiar to you?

B (144:18)

No, it does not sound familiar at all.

A (144:21)

2:36, John and Adam. Friday, December 12th is my 36th birthday. So sending over my annual. Oh, I guess he does it once a year. So sending over over my annual birthday donation. Appreciate everything that you do, particularly when I'm struggling through a hangover or feeling lonely.

B (144:38)

We are your friends. When you're lonely.

A (144:39)

When you're lonely, we're your buddies. Given all the support that you guys provide, I was thinking maybe John can expand on his tip of the day to not just push products, emphasis mine, but also provide general life advice that gen wise guys like me actually do value from the boomers. I'm thinking anything from hangover cures, ways to develop thicker skin. I'm looking at you, Adam, and your ability to disregard all the hate you get on the socials dealing with rejection, tax tips, etc. Hmm.

B (145:15)

Well, that should be.

A (145:15)

That's just.

B (145:16)

We do that commonly during the show. Almost every show we have some sort of life tip. I don't think it's life. Pushing product. I admire that he's noted listening that just. But I've always liked pushing product.

A (145:31)

You're grew. You push product like. Like nobody else.

B (145:34)

Even though it doesn't benefit the show in any way. We don't have a code for it. We don't make any money from it.

A (145:41)

No.

B (145:42)

Otherwise pure moving product for the sake of moving product.

A (145:45)

Requesting a 36 birthday call out. You are on the list. Love, karma and a Mac and cheese.

B (145:51)

Jingle you slay can get used to. Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese, macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together.

A (145:59)

Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese, Mac.

B (146:02)

And cheese, you've got karma. Barbara Koons is up next. K u h N S in Eastlake, Ohio at 217.69. She writes, A friend hit me in the mouth last year and you've been entertaining me on my commute. Aha. Ever since. I appreciate the insight and laughs. I have a switcheroo. Another switcheroo. The switcheroo.

A (146:28)

Switcheroo day.

B (146:29)

Switcheroo Sunday. Yes, I have a switcheroo. Please accept this donation on behalf of Tony Pachiro's 56th birthday on December 17th. And de douche us. You've been de douched. $2 Tony is impossible to shop for. What a great nickname.

A (146:51)

That's a good nickname. $2 Tony.

B (146:52)

Hey, $2 Tony's here. But the one thing he definitely does not have is an IMDb entry. Thank you for your courage and making me the best girlfriend ever.

A (147:04)

All right, he's got enough.

B (147:06)

Best girlfriend ever. She gave him an IMDb entry.

A (147:10)

That's right.

B (147:11)

Something to think about.

A (147:12)

And ladies, there's Eli the coffee. That's a great. It is a great stocking stuffer. Eli the coffee guy from Bensonville, Illinois. 2 12, 14. And he says this holiday seat. By the way, I think we didn't. We Get a note. I thought I. We got a note from the Little John's candy folks. Let me see. Yes. He said I'm a little late in getting you a note for my donation. My donations and promotion are tended to work something like this sometimes. Times are not always clear. I'm donating 233.33 plus fees which equals 242 for each show during the month of December. The promotion is to save 10% and donate 10% in the purchaser name. So on December 28 after the promotion ends, I will send you a check for the total and a spreadsheet with all the producers names and the dollars they donated. That sounds like work.

B (148:07)

Yeah.

A (148:08)

Wow.

B (148:09)

Yeah, I don't think you need to do all that much work. That's actually. Well, you know, they. They actually. It's reflected in the quality of their products.

A (148:19)

It is. So eli always sends $200 plus the today's date, the show date 1214. And he says the holiday season is a good reminder to take stock and express gratitude for the little things in life that fill us with joy and the people who compose the fabric of our lives. Thank you Adam and John and all those in God gitmonation. We're grateful for the support, the kind notes and the simple fact that people seem to really like Gigawatt. So give someone in your life the gift of good coffee today. Especially with today, December 14th being the last day of our sampler pack sale. The sampler is a great way to these people. Wow, I never saw that coming. The sampler is a great way to experience a wide variety of freshly roasted coffee. If it ends up under the table tree, great. If it ends up in your mug, also even better. Plus I hear our coffee goes great with Little John's candies at Chocolates Visit.

B (149:18)

While you're doing your resume.

A (149:20)

That's right. And ordering some earrings from the arcane arcana resin people, visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com before the sale ends. Get a sampler pack today. Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy. And while you're doing that, let's exfoliate.

B (149:42)

Yes. With La Jolla Salt Corporation, La Jolla, California. $210.60.

A (149:49)

You know what it is? At least it's better than having to say, you know, I've always wondered, should I try exfoliating? And it wasn't until I came across this La Jolla Salt Corporation. And my skin is just tell me more. My skin is just so smooth now. I don't have any scales or anything like that. Any, any dead skin falling off. I am just a great man. Thank you La Jolla Salt Corporation.

B (150:17)

So they write in this holiday season is here bringing bringing with it fond memories of your chestnuts fire. No, they're not good, you know. No, no, they're roasting not they're roasting mistletoe. John and Adam on the make on the mic. On the mic. On the mic. Christmas Day. Ah, nope, a misleading comment there. Yule tied by the fireside curling up with your favorite moisturizing exfoliant from la jollasalt.com Tina I can't wait to curl.

A (150:54)

Up with you with our La Jolla moisturizing exfoliant season.

B (150:59)

Give your skin the gift of it's longing for it's desiring. People, please support the show and receive some seasonal San Serif San Serif sea salt scrub. Go podcasting. Thank you for your courage. Well, you got more than enough. He got his money's worth on that one.

A (151:17)

Yeah, for sure. And who always deserves a lot of credit for all of the joy job she has helped people get is Linda Lou Patkin from Castle Rock, Colorado. And just know she moved there because she had to get away from all the nut jobs where she lived before. And she has a great Christmas idea. Give the gift of a resume. Not just any old resume, one that gets results. You want that? Go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all of your executive resume and job search needs. In case you didn't hear me say it, that's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and right. And writer of winning resumes. And she ends with best Linda.

B (152:02)

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

A (152:12)

Oh my goodness.

B (152:14)

When is Ford going to get a clue?

A (152:16)

Really? For General Motors for 200 bucks we keep promoting your Bronco. Come on people.

B (152:23)

Electric Bronco.

A (152:24)

Get a clue. Thank you to these executive and associate executive producers. We highly appreciate it. We're actually really entertained by the notes that you send in, certainly especially when they're not too long and it's so obvious what you're doing. We love that. We love everybody who supports the show. Value for value. You can do that any amount, anytime you want to. We'll be thanking $50 and above in our second session segment. And once again, thank you for supporting us. Go to noagendadonations.com to support the no Agenda show.

B (152:54)

Our formula is this.

A (152:56)

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. And a reminder that the these executive and associate executive producers all are eligible to put their names in the hall of credits@IMDb.com because you are now officially an executive or an associate executive producer of the no Agenda show. Let's see.

B (153:32)

Let me start off with a TikTok clip. This is a woman who is selling.

A (153:38)

They're all women. When's the last time you play? Oh, you do. You have played a guy. Yeah, that's true.

B (153:43)

I have played a guy.

A (153:45)

You played a guy.

B (153:45)

But it's mostly women. And this to me is a reflection of either. I don't know what level of stupidity this is. This is a woman who lack of education or don't. Or someone who doesn't understand the mechanism of government or the mechanism of society. It's just baffling to listen to this woman rant about immigration.

A (154:07)

Can someone smarter than me help me.

B (154:10)

Very genuinely understand why I'm supposed to care if people immigrate to the US illegally?

A (154:16)

Like obviously some people are just racist.

B (154:19)

And some people are just stupid.

A (154:21)

But even like left leaning people say, you know, well, you got to do.

B (154:26)

Something about the border.

A (154:28)

Why could. I don't understand why this should bother me in any way if as many.

B (154:35)

People as want to come here. So if somebody could help me understand that, that would be great because right now I just don't know why I should give a shit.

A (154:46)

I, I don't know.

B (154:47)

I found this, I found it to be a very fascinating commentary because it's like. Yes, because how does anyone get to that position where you don't understand that the, the burden on society, on the taxpayer, on the, on the infrastructure and all the rest of it? You know, if you're just going to, to have unfettered immigration from everywhere in the world and police issues and all the rest of it and you don't see it.

A (155:11)

She's. This is bull crap. She understands it. She just wants life.

B (155:17)

You have a different. This is the difference between you and me in regards the same thing with Tucker, the way we see him. It's a different look. You think everyone is cynical and they're all acting.

A (155:28)

No, I think that they want to get played on the no agenda agenda show or they want to get likes. That's it. That's it. That's what it's all about. These people thrive on people telling them you're an idiot.

B (155:43)

There are people like that who could thrive on that. Well, you're an idiot. You were bummed out when somebody said that they didn't like a Darren o' Neill clip.

A (155:54)

Yeah, but I've been doing it for over 18 years. So I must be like liking something.

B (155:58)

And you. But you got thick skin, according to that one note.

A (156:00)

Yeah, there it is.

B (156:01)

You need some. You need to give some tips.

A (156:04)

Hey, we have. We have the AI. I already gave it away. We have the Time Person of the Year, Persons of the Year. You. You've. Which is. Is Time magazine still a magazine?

B (156:16)

I think it's just only online.

A (156:18)

Well, they've chosen their persons.

B (156:21)

The six men and two women on the COVID of Time magazine are who they have dubbed the architects of artificial intelligence and their Person of the Year. Among those on the beam are Meta's Mark Zuckerberg, AMD chief Lisa Su, OpenAI's Sam Altman, and chipmaker Nvidia's Jensen Huang. We named the architects of AI as.

A (156:41)

The person of the Year this year because we were really looking at the.

B (156:44)

People who had the biggest influence on this year. According to the magazine, those people have reoriented government policy and altered. Altered geopolitical rivalries and become an everyday tool for millions. Today, OpenAI's ChatGPT counts over 800 million daily users. Its competitor Google Gemini boasts 650 million. Time also pointed to a darker side of AI in light of looming job displacement for companies looking to replace their workers. And darker still, lawsuits have been filed in the wake of suicides and mental health crisis alleging chatbot psychosis. Experts are also wary of just how the tool will affect humanity and if it will affect all of us equally.

A (157:25)

This technology has a great potential to make things more efficient, more productive, to improve living conditions. The question is, will it do so on an equal basis? Will it do so for everybody? And right now we see cleavages opening up, be it between superpowers or be it between family members, or be it between people on the countryside and in big cities.

B (157:45)

The magazine has named a Person of the year since 1927, but this is not the first time technology took the title. In 1982, it was the computer.

A (157:54)

The computer. The computer was the Person of the Year. There was a great post by this guy named Peter Guernus, G I R N U S on X. And I saw it the first time. It came around like. But then it kept coming back. And so I wanted to. To read this, and this may be bull crap, but it sounds. It sounds plausible and it's about him deploying AI in his corporation. I'll read it. Last quarter, I rolled out Microsoft co pilot to 4,000 employees. $30 per seat per month, $1.4 million annually. Had you seen this? I called it Digital Transformation. The board loved that phrase. They approved it in a 11 minutes. No one asked what it would actually do, including me. I told everyone, 10% product, 10 10x productivity. That's not a real. He says that's not a real number, but it sounds like one HR. Asked how we would measure 10x. I said we'd leverage analytics dashboards. They stopped asking.

B (158:57)

Brother.

A (158:58)

Three months later. I checked the usage reports. 47 people had opened it. 12 had used it more than once. One of them was me. I used it to summarize an email I could have read in 30 seconds. It took 45 second plus the time it took to fix the hallucinations. But I called it a pilot success. Success means the pilot didn't visibly fail. The CFO asked about RoI. I showed him a graph. The graph went up and to the right. It measured AI enablement. I made that up. He nodded approvingly. We are AI enabled now. I don't know what that means, but it's in our investor deck. A senior developer asked why we did. Why we didn't use Claude or Chad. ChatGPT. I said we needed enterprise grade security. He asked what that meant. I said compliance. He asked, which compliance? I said all of them. He looked skeptical. I asked him for a career development conversation. He stopped asking questions. Microsoft sent a case study team. They wanted to feature us as a success story. I told them we, quote, saved 40,000 hours. I calculated that number by multiplying employees by number. Number I made up. They didn't verify it. They never do. Now we're on Microsoft's website. Global Enterprise achieves 40,000 hours of productivity gains with Copilot. The CEO shared it on LinkedIn. He got 3,000 likes. He's never used Copilot. None of the executives have. We have an exemption. Strategic focus requires minimal digital distraction. I wrote that policy. The license renews next month. I'm requesting an expansion. 5,000 more seats. We haven't used the first 4,000, but this time we will drive. Adoption. Adoption means mandatory training. Training means a 45 minute webinar. No one watches. But completion will be tracked. Completion is a metric. Metrics go in dashboards. Dashboards go in board presentations. Board presentations get me promoted. I'll be SVP by Q3. I still don't know what Copilot does, but I know what it's for. It's for showing we're investing in AI. Investment means spending. Spending means commitment. Commitment means we're serious about the future. The future is whatever I say it is. As long as the Graph goes up and to the right.

B (161:09)

Yeah. That is a wonderful little mini essay.

A (161:13)

I thought it was good. The guy.

B (161:15)

No, that's. That was really funny. And it's classic.

A (161:18)

Yeah, it's.

B (161:19)

And it's accurate.

A (161:20)

Yeah. Completely accurate.

B (161:23)

Yes.

A (161:24)

And so then we get this executive order. The other day, President Trump says the AI industry can't excel under a patchwork of state regulations. We have the big investment coming, but.

B (161:35)

If they had to get 50 different.

A (161:36)

Approvals from 50 different states, you could forget it, because it's not possible to do. He says one uniform federal framework would help the US win the AI arms race.

B (161:45)

That's the goal of an executive order signed Thursday. Not doing this would be the greatest gift of to China and other countries. The order also creates a litigation task force to challenge state AI laws, excluding those related to child safety protections. I don't think states should have the.

A (162:03)

Ability to regulate an AI. Indiana Republican Congressman Marlon Stutzman supports the order.

B (162:08)

That way we put America at the forefront and leading on that issue rather than being divided amongst ourselves.

A (162:15)

But limiting states when it to comes comes to AI hasn't proven popular in Congress. A measure that would have banned states from regulating AI for 10 years was removed from the Big Beautiful bill over the summer. And recent efforts to include a provision barring states from regulating AI in the annual defense spending bill failed to. We took that provision out. I think it's pandering to AI companies.

B (162:37)

Virginia Democratic Congressman Eugene Vindman says Congress does need to regulate with the executive order.

A (162:44)

I need to find a balance for.

B (162:46)

Appropriate regulation for this industry.

A (162:48)

House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries says he.

B (162:50)

Doesn'T think the order is legal and.

A (162:52)

Ultimately it's going to get struck down in court. The order also threatens to restrict certain funding to states with AI laws. I'm against all this. Isn't this the whole point of state's rights, that we should be able to determine our own destiny?

B (163:07)

I'm all for it. I think having states being allowed to create dipshit laws over technology items, it just becomes all of a sudden, now you gotta go through California because California has some restriction. So now everybody has to obey what California wants because of the Internet. And everything goes through California. No, I'm all for it. They've got to stop some of these states from doing this. I don't care about. I mean, states rights. Yeah, when it has to do with rights, not when it has to do with something like this. I'm all for it.

A (163:42)

I like the term dipshit law. You should be in Congress that would have, that would have shut them down. Now, here's the good news. Good news is that they have not been able to crack AI podcasts. And this cropped up or this propped up popped up in a report here from the Semaphore. The Washington Post top standards editor on Thursday decried frustrating errors in its new AI generated personalized podcasts whose launch had been met with distress by its journalists. I guess they. The Post has been rolling out personalized AI generated podcasts for users.

B (164:28)

I don't even know what that means.

A (164:29)

So in the release, the paper says users are able to choose preferred topics and which host AI host. And you can shape your own briefings, select topics, set, set length, pick their hosts, and soon even ask questions using Ask the Post AI technology.

B (164:50)

But it doesn't work.

A (164:52)

No, of course. What? Of course it doesn't work. You know, we have a real. I got to ask you some advice. So we have deemed, we have, we have come up with nomenclature future. There are now so called TTS podcasts. Tts, Text to speech.

B (165:16)

Oh, okay.

A (165:17)

And so there'll be like a podcast of a Reddit thread which is all read by, by AI. And it's, it's. I mean, it's. I don't know if you could even listen to it. I mean, some people might. The problem is there are these text to speech outfits who will create a podcast and within one day it has 2,000 episodes and 2,000 episodes, you know, it's a problem for the podcast index. You know, we're a small operation based on donations, I might add. And so, you know, it clogs up the system, it slows everything down. And there are people just out there just. It's basically spam.

B (166:04)

But can't you just do spam elimination and not allow those to get on the index at all?

A (166:09)

Well, you can, but that's kind of the question. Like it, Is it, Is it really spam? Is it something that people want?

B (166:17)

Nobody wants it.

A (166:18)

I don't think so either.

B (166:21)

But no, you have to. You can't let this, this is like there's. I'm trying to think of how to anal analogize it, but there's something that you can, There's. I think you have a rationale that you can develop because it's out there to say, no, you can't do this. This is not, doesn't.

A (166:42)

Oh, we can say it. I mean, we're just kind of thinking, what, what should we do?

B (166:46)

No, that's what I'm saying. You have to develop the Argument. That's solid.

A (166:51)

Yeah.

B (166:52)

But I would say it's like spam. It's like, if you remember in the early days of. You Usenet.

A (166:57)

Yes, I remember the early days of.

B (166:59)

Usenet and every time somebody came in with some advertisement they tried to slip onto Usenet, they'd get blasted and thrown off.

A (167:06)

I remember the first time I came into Usenet and I. I don't remember what I posted, but immediately, oh, there's corporations here. Mtv. Oh, this is the end of the Internet.

B (167:23)

That's right.

A (167:24)

And they weren't wrong.

B (167:25)

Right. And that's where that guy's voice came from.

A (167:27)

And they weren't wrong.

B (167:28)

No, they weren't wrong. They were right all along.

A (167:32)

They had a point. They had a point. By the way, there's been a lot. You know, we had that clip on the last show about Instacart and grocery prices. I've been watching a lot of YouTube videos from consumer Reports and other consumer organizations, man. There are big companies of which Instacart is really. Yeah, they deliver to you, but that's not really what they do. They are doing dynamic pricing on everybody based upon what they think you can pay, even in store with the, you know, with the. What do you call the digital pricing price tags that. So you don't really have a price tag on the product, but it says on the shelf, it'll change. It's like, okay, this is now 4 99. And then, you know, you take it in and scan the barcode and it's 4.99. Someone else will be paying $4 or, or, you know, like 4. 430.

B (168:29)

And I know nothing. I've never seen any evidence of this.

A (168:32)

Oh, it's. I'll send you one of these videos.

B (168:35)

I mean, is it happening in a store near you?

A (168:38)

It's. Oh, it's happening at every single store. Every single. Yes. And you could. So they, they put like 20 people in a room and they all ordered directly from a store, not through Instacart. And even those people all got different prices. It's, it's, it's kind of, in a way, it's what Uber has been doing for a while. You know, we'll charge you whatever you think you're willing to pay. But they're doing it with groceries. Well, yeah, it's interesting.

B (169:08)

That's not going to fly.

A (169:09)

Well, it's been flying apparently for quite a few years, but when you look at the price of groceries, it's not necessarily based. The point is, you're saying that the.

B (169:19)

Whole system is turning into a bait and switch operation. It's because that's what this is.

A (169:25)

It's anti competitive because they are all doing it. So all the grocery stores are using this system. So instead of competing with each other based upon price and service and quality of product, they're all, they're all kind of using the same systems to just charge whatever they can. So it's anti competitive.

B (169:42)

We have grocery store executives that listen to this show and they will, they will respond to this and explain it to us what's going on.

A (169:49)

Anonymity, always assured. But yes.

B (169:53)

Yeah, unless they want credit, unless they want to lose their job, necessarily.

A (169:59)

And then the latest, here it comes. You're going to be paying more for your AI. It's, it's going to happen because when these guys jump in, it's all over.

B (170:09)

Well, this is definitely an earthquake in the entertainment industry here in Hollywood.

A (170:13)

This is a three year licensing deal between the Walt Disney Company and OpenAI.

B (170:17)

Users will be able to create short.

A (170:19)

Clips up to 30 seconds in duration.

B (170:21)

Using Sora, which is OpenAI's video generation platform platform. And those clips will feature more than.

A (170:27)

200 characters from the Disney universe, from.

B (170:30)

The Marvel, Pixar and Star wars universe. That obviously covers everything from Mickey Mouse.

A (170:35)

To Elsa, from Frozen to Iron Man, Captain America and Darth Vader. Disney is also making a 1 billion dollar equity investment into OpenAI that will allow them to create more content for Disney plus, create new services and tools and also make some changes internally rolling out ChatGPT for employees of Disney.

B (170:56)

Now, what this deal includes is perhaps.

A (170:59)

Just as important as what it doesn't include. The deal actually does end up excluding actor likeness and voices.

B (171:06)

So essentially those users using that platform will not be able to use actual.

A (171:11)

Faces and voices of human actors. If you think back to that historic long actors in writer strike back in 2023, that was a major, major concern for Hollywood at the time. Oh no. These actors will all be licensing their likeness and their voice.

B (171:27)

Yeah.

A (171:27)

It won't take long.

B (171:29)

Yeah. And then they'll be, they'll get spotified and they think they're making a lot of money. Next thing you know, they'll be getting pennies on. Yeah, you know, pennies. Out of the blue they're getting a little check. Not the kind of checks Brunetti gets, but checks for five bucks.

A (171:41)

I mean Brunetti, the guy who never donates, who takes you out to dinner and calls that a value for value donation.

B (171:48)

That guy, I think it's legit.

A (171:50)

Who says he's listening to the show but then claims that we didn't talk about the Golden Globes. That Brunetti, that guy?

B (171:56)

Yeah, your buddy.

A (171:57)

The guy who single handedly put Netflix on the map with House of Cards.

B (172:03)

Yeah, he's actually probably pretty responsible for Netflix. They should have given him some bunch of free stuff. Doc.

A (172:10)

Yeah, please. Brunetti, he, you just think he's not.

B (172:14)

A fan of, of Netflix.

A (172:15)

He's just using you. He's just using you. For what? For clout. Wow.

B (172:24)

That's the best you could do? I'm going to show my sp by.

A (172:28)

Donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fabulous.

B (172:39)

Yeah, we do have a few people to thank who gave us $50 and above but less than 200 so they don't get their associate executive producer or executive producer credit. And Adam will read the list.

A (172:50)

Yes. I just need to set everything up here because we start off with. Hold on a second, where am I? Where's. There's my spreadsheet. We start off with Sir Mark Bendikowski in Poland.

B (173:05)

Oh, that's nice.

A (173:06)

Kurva. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. He says, great job. I love you guys. Oh, well, that's very nice. Thank you, Sir Mark. John Whiddon 105:35 Dave@noagenda fund.com He has an important message with $100 donation. He says, Here's $100 from Dave@noagendafund.com we contribute. They also put the tip of the day on no Agenda Fund. But he says we noticed we haven't been mentioned and our traffic has fallen.

B (173:36)

I mentioned him on the last show.

A (173:38)

Well, we're going to. I'm going to because I usually say tipoftheday.net but I'll add no agenda fund.com. of course. No Agenda Fun has all of our stuff there.

B (173:47)

And no Agenda Fund has like they have the tip of the day, but they also have if you out of the blue say, I saw this movie, I really liked it. Put that in there.

A (173:55)

Yeah, they have our books. Do they have little John's candies on there? Because, man, I love that stuff. I don't know if they do. They should.

B (174:06)

Anyway, yeah, no Agenda.

A (174:07)

No Agenda fund dot com.

B (174:08)

Good site I use. That's the site I use to make sure I'm not double tipping.

A (174:14)

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B (175:22)

I think it's more than that. I think it's more like. I can't remember. It's 25 maybe, but it's very easy to do yourself.

A (175:28)

Yeah, you just go on the website.

B (175:29)

Yeah.

A (175:30)

Boom. Made it sound very complicated. Paul Webb and Twicken him. There you go. 6969. Good that we still have a UK listener who's alive. Am not in jail. Chad Hewitt, Folsom, California. 64. $66.40. Steven Schumacher, maker. Usually it's Schumach.

B (175:49)

Well, that came in as a check, so I think that R got put on by X.

A (175:53)

Okay, it's Schumach, as far as I know. Shoemake. Shoemake Schumach. Xenia, Ohio. 6480. Joseph Brendel in Pittsburgh. 64. David Key, 6325. Christopher Dector, 5678. Thank you. Jason Babcock. And he will be 55 on the 17th with $55. So we got you on the list. Cameron Ling. Ling or Ling or Linge. North Branch, Minnesota. Double nickels on the dime. Luke Minnell, Los Angeles. Hey, we got a one. We got a live one. 52.72. Bob Cox in Delphi, Indiana. 5150. Viscounts are Economic Hitman in Tomball, Texas. $50 and one penny. Gary Mao in Woodland Hills, California. 50. These. These are the 50s, in fact. Brandon Sauvoie in Port Orchard, Washington. Dane Patricia Worthington in. Is that Dane Patricia Worthington, or is it just.

B (176:50)

No, it's Dame Patricia Worthington. She donates a lot.

A (176:53)

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B (179:14)

It'll be over at Christmas.

A (179:17)

Christmas. Ish. There you go.

B (179:19)

Ish.

A (179:20)

And so we don't have any knights or dames or any title changes. Takes us straight up to the meetups. Yes, the no Agenda meetups. Another way you can support the show, support your community, where you can get connection, it always brings you protection. No AgendaMeetups.com is where you can find any of these fabulous gatherings near you. We didn't get a recorded report from the great Rochester, Minnesota Big Pharma City meetup. So they sent in a little written report which I will share here. Greetings from the frozen tundra of Minnesota. This past Thursday we had 10 producers attending the meetup in Rochester. Location was the Little Thistle Brewery. The meetup court consisted of a landman, a plumber, an electrician who was also a ham operator, three keepers, a dame that had to leave early for a PTA school meeting and myself, a long standing knight, Sir Knight of the east side, a douchebag committed to correcting his status and discussed the value of the show for he and his family which had five Hughes Human resources a first timer asked what is the purpose of the show and its 18 plus years existence. All in all, a great evening of discussion. A final topic was a follow up to JCD's newsletter and Prop Bets. It seems that four more years Prop bet on the show may be the fix category. He mentioned the final v4v support for the show. Yes, that's a good prop bet. Will we actually quit informal years?

B (180:53)

That is a good prop bet. That's right up. Unfortunately they don't like to stretch the bets out that long because the company's doing the betting and the gaming usually go out of business by then.

A (181:02)

Just like the lottery guys. Hey. There is a meetup taking place today. It's the Indy NA tail end of 25 Trumpley. Terrific meetup. It's underway now at the Blind Owl Brewery in Indianapolis, Indiana. Of course, that is Dame Maria and Sir Mark of the Greenwood and and see nothing. Oh yeah. Next Thursday we have Charlotte's thirsty third Thursday monthly, 7 o' clock Ed's Tavern, Charlotte, North Carolina. And coming up for the rest of this month, Anaheim, California on the 20th. That sounds like a Leo Bravo deal. On the 23rd, Coeur d', Alene, Idaho, Clovis, California 26, Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 27th and Evansville, Indiana on the 30th of December. Go to noagendameetups.com these are the people who will will act as your first responders in any kind of an emergency. These relationships last a lifetime. Some even wind up getting married. Noagendameetups.com if you can't find one near you, start one yourself. Where everybody feels the same.

B (182:15)

It's like a party.

A (182:17)

And we still have John's tip of the day coming up. We had do have some great end of show mixes, including that coveted toe tapper from Baron Darren o' Neal who is just on fire with the prompting. But before we do that, we always have a couple of ISOs. You have no ISOs today.

B (182:33)

I have no ISOs. I dropped the balls.

A (182:36)

Wow. I win. Let's see what. Let's see what I win. I only have two. They know what they're doing. They know what they're doing.

B (182:44)

I like that.

A (182:45)

MK Ultra 2.0. No, no. They know what they're doing.

B (182:50)

Yeah.

A (182:51)

And you know who that is? Can you tell who that is?

B (182:54)

Well, it's played again. I do know who it is they're doing. They know what they're doing.

A (183:00)

You can hear at the end, classic voice, movie actor. They know what they're doing.

B (183:04)

Doing. Yeah. I can't. I can see his face, but I can't get his name.

A (183:10)

That's too bad. I'm not going to tell you. But it is now time for John's tip of the day.

B (183:17)

Great advice for you and me.

A (183:20)

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

B (183:27)

All right, we're going to go back to Boo's recommendations.

A (183:30)

Oh, how about. How about a life tip like our Gen Wire?

B (183:33)

Yeah, I don't have any life tips. Except that. That you're stealing from the audience by not telling us who did that clip.

A (183:42)

Oh, you want me to tell you? I can tell you.

B (183:45)

Yeah. Who?

A (183:45)

Burt Reynolds. Oh, yeah.

B (183:50)

Okay, so this is a screwball one. You have to listen carefully because this is a. I consider this to be a secret because the quality of this product is generally terrible. And unless you are clued in one way or another, you will never drink this stuff. It's called grappa.

A (184:12)

Who hasn't had grappa?

B (184:14)

A lot of people have had grappa. I've had plenty of grappa. And I'll give you the story. So I've been, you know, I was in. Probably in the late 80s, maybe the early. For the late 80s. I was in New York. I was going to rest. I think it was called City hall, was a famous restaurant restaurant at the time. And. And we had a sommelier. And I always get along with sommeliers because they, you know, they size you up. If they figure you know what you're doing, you.

A (184:37)

They give you a.

B (184:38)

They think you're okay. And so. And they. They give you the good wine. And so at the end of the meal, this. And the guy was French. He's a French sommelier. So that added a little impact to this. He says, what do you. You'd like to. After dinner stuff? I said, yeah, I'm. I'm a cognac guy. So you. Oh, you like. Like cognac? He says, and he's French. He says, did you ever have grappa? And I said, yeah, I've had grappa. Everyone's had grappa. It's terrible because most grappa is terrible.

A (185:10)

Most grappa tastes like toilet water or.

B (185:13)

Kerosene or fusel oil or turpentine? Depends.

A (185:18)

Yeah.

B (185:18)

He says, oh, really? He says, well, I've got a grappa here that I want you to try and if you don't like it, you can just give it back. You don't have to pay for it.

A (185:27)

That's a deal.

B (185:28)

It's always a deal. Of course, then he caught me on the thing anyway, but so he brings out this grappa. It was fabulous. And so then I realized that I. That grappa has a protective layer of lousy grappa that keeps people from getting to the good stuff. Because they make so little of the good stuff, they don't need a run on it like scotch. And the prices go to $500 a bottle for a 15 year old product.

A (185:53)

It's a protective protection racket.

B (185:56)

It's Italian. And so.

A (186:00)

So it took me a minute. Yes. Yeah, of course. Protection racket. Gotcha.

B (186:06)

And so I have a couple of grappa brands that are universally good and one in particular which is always gets 98 or 100 points. Everybody around the country, you'll be able to find it if you dig around enough. If you can't, you're not going to get it at Costco. But this. But we had it last night or the night before. On Friday night we had it with the fan and we, all of us, all we could do is just talk about this.

A (186:31)

Marvel, Marvel over the grappa.

B (186:34)

It's. It was unbelievable. It's a grappa when you have a good one. It is a phenomenal product and it's hard to explain it unless you had a good one, but you have a good one. It's just so good. It's made from garbage, basically.

A (186:49)

Yeah.

B (186:49)

And it takes a super skill to make it. Jaco, Jacopo Poli J A C O P O P O L I Poli. This guy's grappa is always getting 98 or 100 points by all the tasters. Killer, killer grappa. If you go right to that, you'll never drink the junk again. Now there's. I have a backup brand which is good, but it's not up to this. This is ridiculously good. But a backup brand is Lorenzo Inga. You'll find this pretty commonly. And Lorenzo Inga, they make a line of grappas based on various areas where they get the leftover stuff to make it with.

A (187:36)

That is a very good tip. I have a comment and a request. 2 Comments. First of all, I need to tell you that last night we took our final Bordeaux from the Costco Moscow crate to the dinner. And people were just like, wow, this is so good.

B (187:54)

You're talking about the Bordeaux. 22, 20, 22.

A (187:59)

Second last year, when Tina and I were in Florence because we were visiting Willow for Christmas, there was this little restaurant that we went in the first night or the second night we arrived. Nobody was in the restaurant. Completely empty. It was one of those small deals on the side, side street. So we go in, we sit in the back. We're all lovey dovey. We're in Florence. It's beautiful. The lights and not a lot of tourists because it was cold. And the owner, young guy, he had bought the place with. Just open a couple weeks. Bought the place with four. With, you know, four friends. And so, you know, we're having the meal. It's nice. And he said, can I give you some grappa for dessert? And I'm thinking garbage. Just a chance, just like you said. But you know, I did, you know, I wanted the kid to feel good about his. His purchase. And there's no one in there. It's just. Yeah. Bringing the grappa. Same experience. Fantastic. He. He said his dad makes it in the bathtub. I said, with your dad in it. No, but it, it was. There is good grappa. I completely agree. I'm going to try some of this.

B (189:05)

Well, if you can get the. This, this one brand. This poli stuff is so outrageous that, I mean, it'll stop the meal. It just stops. It stops the show.

A (189:16)

It's a showstopper now request because it is the season. I don't know if you're going to recommend brands or a recipe. I would love for you to do eggnog on the next show.

B (189:31)

Eggnog. I can do eggnog. The problem. There's an egg. We have an eggnog issue at the family. Family level. Eggnog issue.

A (189:39)

You have too many eggs. You can't even make eggnog.

B (189:42)

Oh, we got plenty of eggs. Yes, you're right. We can use one of those recipes. But my wife has a recipe for eggnog. She insists on making it and it's. It's from her dad. Yeah.

A (189:56)

It has to be.

B (189:57)

It's an heirloom recipe. That is bull crap. It's a bull crap. I'm saying a few or two. This is nuts. No, no, this is the way you have to do it. And so.

A (190:09)

Well, we don't want the bull crap. We want the best. We want.

B (190:12)

We try to come up with an 8.

A (190:14)

We want the primo stuff, man. Bring your eggnog recipe. Everybody's ready for it. And that is your teas and that is your tip of the day. Noagendafun.com tipoftheday.net.

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A (190:34)

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B (190:40)

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A (190:44)

I think a lot of people fade.

B (190:46)

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A (190:55)

We will. And before we get to Baron Darren o' Neal's no Agenda Christmas, we have MVP followed by Melod. And once we're done with that, the no Agenda stream continues with random thoughts and they'll be doing suno songs on the show. So more AI slop than a pig would love. It's all here for you and I am coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country where we're waiting for the multi city attacks from ISIS in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

B (191:31)

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A (191:34)

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