1854 - "Rackout"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1854: “Rackout” (March 26, 2026)

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Theme: Media deconstruction of current geopolitical events, energy crisis, tech law, and American societal quirks, all in the show's irreverent and analytical style.

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Adam and John return to full strength to deconstruct the latest media coverage and geopolitical developments, with a heavy focus on the aftermath of the US-Iran conflict, global energy disruptions, the political maneuverings in the Gulf, spring break culture, and the landmark court victory against Meta/YouTube over addictive social media design. The show blends sharp media dissection, technical insight, pop culture commentary, and characteristic humor—including digressions about robot teachers, airport security, and John’s recent heart surgery.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Trump–Iran Saga & the “Present of Oil”

[00:36–11:43]

• The hosts dissect the rapid news cycle iterations of Trump’s negotiation “algorithm” and how media covers each twist in US-Iran tensions—between threats, attacks, and offers to negotiate.

• Trump’s claim of having received a “big present” from Iran turns out to be a rumored gift of 8–10 oil tankers, whose real destination and significance provoke skepticism.

  Notable Quote:

  • “It seems so obvious, like, you know, ah, well, we're going to bomb them and then, oh, well, you know, they sent me a present and then, yeah…” (Adam Curry, 03:05)

2. Three-By-Three News Coverage Breakdown

[03:52–11:43]

• John conducts a side-by-side analysis of network news (ABC, CBS, NBC) to highlight subtle but critical media framing:

  • Consistent ambiguity around what the “present” from Iran is.
  • Deployment of US troops (82nd Airborne, Marines) to the Middle East and shifting claims of “no boots on the ground.”
  • Pakistan and now Turkey being drawn in as negotiation intermediaries—almost ignored in major outlets.

  Notable Quotes:

  • “How come they don't say Iran claims that is not true? That would be a little more even keeled.” (Adam Curry, 05:14)
  • “Pakistan, the Pakistanis are our guys now in the middle, which is kind of interesting.” (Adam Curry, 06:47)

3. Escalating Energy Crisis: Strait of Hormuz Blockade Effects

[11:43–18:33]

• Analysis of how the closure of the Strait of Hormuz disrupts LNG and oil supply to Asia and Europe:

  • Shortages trigger rationing, price spikes, and street protests especially across Asia.
  • EU faces stagflation pressures as inflation and energy shortages worsen.
  • American producers—especially Texas gas—stand to profit from the crisis.

  Notable Quote:

  • “We seem to be in the catbird seat.” (Adam Curry, 15:18)

4. Gasoline & Diesel—American and Global Price Shocks

[14:43–18:19]

• Technical explanation about why diesel prices are high (California’s low-sulfur standards), and the impact of losing global refineries.

5. Troop Movements & Military Scenarios

[20:04–41:03]

• Discussion of scenario planning for US military buildup and strategy:

  • 82nd Airborne’s rapid deployment options, potential objectives like Kharg Island.
  • Middle East “diplomacy by bombs”—Trump’s dealmaking rhythm and the use of military as bargaining chip.
  • Commentary on the complexity and “moving parts” of the conflict, including new players (Turkey), and how the war impacts supply chains beyond oil: fertilizer (urea) and helium shortages threaten agriculture and chip manufacturing globally.

  Memorable Analyst Quote:

  • “The only viable military solution, the one that makes the most sense, is to have some kind of an escort mission. But it's going to still be fraught with peril.” (Ret. Brig. Gen. Steve Anderson, 39:27)

6. Spring Break Segment

[41:56–49:44]

• A lighter segment with a “man on the street” report: college students at spring break demonstrate ignorance on geopolitics and wild party tales.

  • “Blackout with my rack out” becomes the sound bite of the segment.
  • The hosts reflect with wry tolerance on youth, ignorance, and societal perceptions.

  Memorable Moment:

  • “If you go to Ohio State, you're going to be blacking out with your rack out!” (John C. Dvorak, 43:10)

7. Tech & Social: The Landmark Meta/YouTube Lawsuit Verdicts

[60:24–72:31, 63:37–72:31]

• Coverage and deep dive into two major court cases finding Meta and YouTube liable for knowingly making addictive products targeting youth—a parallel drawn to the “big tobacco reckoning.”

  • Potential for class action suits with huge financial implications as each plaintiff sets precedent for claims.
  • First major breach in Section 230 and First Amendment legal defenses via product design/addiction rather than content.
  • “Slot machine effect” and “casino mechanics” cited as internal tech terms for algorithms designed to “hook” users.

  Notable Quotes:

  • “This is no secret… everything is done to keep you engaged. Everything is done to keep you hooked.” (Adam Curry, 66:22)
  • “This is exactly the same as the tobacco situation.” (John C. Dvorak, 72:12)

8. Robot Teachers & The Melania Trump Event

[54:30–58:22]

• Adam rails against First Lady Melania Trump’s public demo of a humanoid robot teacher (“Plato/Play-Doh”) for children: critiques from both technological and societal angles.

  Notable Quote:

  • “You’re not gonna have your kid educated by this stupid robot.” (Adam Curry, 58:05)

9. Airport Security Theater & TSA Woes

[116:47–123:14]

• US airports face total gridlock as TSA staff shortages and government shutdowns worsen.

• Adam floats the provocative idea: “Why not just eliminate the TSA and return airport security to the airlines?”

• The segment pokes holes in the “security theater” mindset post-9/11.

  Notable Quotes:

  • “Do you want your car colder than 72 degrees? That’s a subscription.” (Adam Curry, 79:27, on software-bound cars)
  • “No airport security… just open up the airports again. Think about the productivity!” (Adam Curry, 123:41)

10. Quick Hits:

• NASA’s (likely delayed) $20B moon base plan (“nuts and bolts aren’t ready yet”) [126:44–131:04].
• John’s ongoing post-heart surgery recovery, open-heart support groups, and “celebration of life” plans.
• TSA lines, “man from Florida” segments (bong built into pickup dash), AI tech fears (Anthropic v. DoD), and podcasting culture trends.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Geopolitics/War:
  • “I'm putting all the show prep together… These guys have had their hands on the throat of Asia, the EU, UK for decades, particularly when it comes to LNG.” (Adam Curry, 11:43)
• On Social Media Lawsuits:
  • “It's as easy as ABC: Addicting the brains of children.” (Rob the constitutional lawyer, paraphrased by Adam, 70:46)
• On American Youth:
  • “These are happy dumb people. I have less of a problem with it than I thought I would.” (Adam Curry, 49:24)
• On Tech Creep:
  • “Android Automotive OS… your car’s basic functions will be locked behind a paywall.” (Adam Curry, 79:27)

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Memorable Moments

• [43:42] "Blackout with my rack out" – the catchphrase encapsulating American spring break culture.
• [41:56–49:44] Students’ ignorance on Ayatollahs and Venezuela, juxtaposed with their hyper-focus on partying.
• [55:35] Robot teacher “Play doh” on display at the White House, failing to impress Adam.
• [72:12] Smoking-gun internal documents likening social media addiction to a “slot machine effect.”

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Structure & Flow

• The show moves from heavy geopolitical and energy analysis, through media criticism and satire, to digressive cultural commentary (Spring Break, tech law, airport security).
• Segments are interlaced with listener donations, humorous asides, and the duo’s signature banter.
• JCD provides grounded technical analysis (refining, fuel standards, military mechanics), while Adam brings storytelling, media critique, and humor.
• Show closes with practical “tip of the day”: buy lead testing swabs (149:44), and meta commentary on podcast longevity.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trump–Iran Negotiation & Oil “Gift”: 00:36–11:43
• Media 3x3 Analysis: 03:52–11:43
• Strait of Hormuz & Energy Crisis: 11:43–18:33
• Spring Break Culture: 41:56–49:44
• Meta/YouTube Lawsuit Analysis: 60:24–72:31
• Melania Trump’s Robot Teacher Demo: 54:30–58:22
• TSA/Airport Security Segment: 116:47–123:14
• NASA Moon Base/Space Policy: 126:44–131:04
• Lead Testing Tip: 149:44

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Tone & Language

The episode is frank and cutting, mixing skepticism with levity. The hosts’ language is direct, often irreverent, but frequently underpinned by technical knowledge and lived experience.

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For Further Reference

• Listen to the detailed spring break segment for a snapshot of youth culture [41:56–49:44].
• Meta/YouTube legal analysis & implications for future tech lawsuits [60:24–72:31].
• For ongoing geopolitical context, refer to the early analysis of the “Trump algo” and shifting alliances in the Gulf [00:36–11:43; 22:22–26:58].

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Summary Statement

No Agenda #1854 delivers a full-spectrum deconstruction of global politics, media bias, energy disruption, big tech’s legal comeuppance, and the ironies of American life—with all the wit, skepticism, and sharp observation you expect from Adam and John. A must-listen for anyone seeking to cut through the mainstream media static and corporate narratives.

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End of Show ISO

“I thought it was pretty outrageous.” (Planetary Society Host, 148:24)

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Those guys, those guys are a great unit. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, March 26, 2026. This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1854.

[No Agenda Producer]

This is no agenda testing the Trump algo.

[Adam Curry]

And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybody,

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern San Francisco Bay refinery row waiting for free oil, I'm John CEN Borax.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah baby, it's gonna be a bonanza. It's gonna be free oil for everybody. Oh man, oh man. I love how you were saying on Sunday show like, ah, Trump's gotta do something. Like three seconds later he's like, okay, everything's good. We, we're talking, we got a thing happening and we know the algo, we know it's like, okay, yes, and then it'll be something horrible and he's going to threaten again. We didn't even get to do a show in the meantime while he, while his algo ran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, two or three iterations of the system took place between shows.

[Adam Curry]

I think you have a three by three. I just want to play one clip of. This is how our President plays the art of the deal. And when you just look at it, you can just listen to the reports. It's like, okay, yeah, well, we know what to expect. We turn out of the war with Iran. In the Oval Office today, President Trump told our senior White House correspondent Ed o' Keefe that Iranian negotiators have offered the United States what the President described as an expensive gift. Here's Ed with the details.

[Ed O'Keefe]

Even as Iran launched missiles towards Israel and other Gulf nations today.

[President Trump]

We're in negotiations right now.

[Ed O'Keefe]

President Trump claimed the regime is so near defeat it has no choice but to negotiate an end to the war.

[President Trump]

We killed all their leadership and then they met to choose new leaders and we killed all of them. And now we have a new group. We have really regime change. You know, this is a change in the regime.

[Ed O'Keefe]

What makes you trust them?

[President Trump]

I don't trust anybody. I don't trust you. Why do you say what makes you, do you think I trust them?

[Ed O'Keefe]

And why bother talking to them?

[President Trump]

Because they're going to make a deal. They're going to make a deal. They did something yesterday that was amazing actually. They gave us a present and the President arrived today. It was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money. And I'm not going to tell you what that present is.

[Ed O'Keefe]

The President would only say that present had to do with oil and gas and the Strait of Hormuz, a major shipping route that remains blocked. Average gas prices have risen for 24 consecutive days, now nearing $4 a gallon nationwide. But even as the two countries are negotiating indirectly, the US is sending 5,000 troops to the region on top of the more than 50,000 already deployed. Those troops could be ordered to take carg is key oil shipping depot or deploy on the Iranian coastline to help secure the strait.

[Adam Curry]

It seems so obvious, like, you know, ah, well, we're going to bomb them and then, oh, well, you know, they sent me a present and then, yeah, I don't know who's talking. Hey, these are the guys. They must be the guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just before the show, he said the present was eight, maybe 10 full tankers of oil shipped through the Strait of Hormuz with Pakistani flags.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Yeah, that's, that's the general consensus from everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the gift. Well, he's, that's what he said.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Sounds right. I don't know how big of a gift that is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's free oil. Free money.

[Adam Curry]

For who, though? Who's, who's it free for?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I have no idea where that, where tankers are. You have to see where the tankers are going. Yeah, I got a three by three.

[Adam Curry]

All right, hold on a second.

[NBC Reporter]

And now it's time for three by

[Adam Curry]

three experiment by Jesse D. Everybody comparing stories from abc, CBS and NBC.

[No Agenda Theme Singer]

The never ending three by three.

[Adam Curry]

All right, a three by three. It's been a while, but, you know, you're back in the saddle. So three by threes are on deck again.

[John C. Dvorak]

So pretty much the same reporting, kind of neutral to anti Trump. You know, find the right clip to make him look like an idiot. Let's go and start with the longest one, which is the abc.

[ABC Reporter]

Even as President Trump claims peace talks are underway tonight, the army is Preparing to deploy 1600 troops from the elite 82nd Airborne Division to the Middle east to support the war. The President has said he does not plan to put boots on the ground, but the soldiers of the 82nd are trained to parachute behind enemy lines. Their deployment on top of the 4,500 Marines and sailors expected to arrive in the region this week. It comes as President Trump and Iran send clashing messages about whether they're negotiating. Trump insists they are.

[President Trump]

The leaders are all gone. Nobody knows who to talk to. But we're actually talking to the right people and they want to make a deal so badly.

[ABC Reporter]

Iran says that is simply not true. That There are no talks and that Trump statements are part of efforts.

[Adam Curry]

How come they don't say Iran claims that is not true? That would be a little, little more even keeled, I think, if they said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. Good point. Yeah.

[ABC Reporter]

Iran says that is simply not true, that there are no talks and that Trump's statements are part of efforts to reduce energy prices and buy time for the implementation of his military plans. The President will not say which Iranian leaders the US Is talking to today. He cryptically noted that he knows Iran is going to make a deal because they just gave the US what he called a very big present.

[President Trump]

They did something yesterday that was amazing, actually. They gave us a present and the President arrived today. It was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money. And I'm not going to tell you what that present is, but it was a very significant prize.

[Adam Curry]

Prize.

[John C. Dvorak]

They could have cut that out.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

They could have cut the out. They normally do.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's not fun.

[President Trump]

Prize. And they gave it to us and they said they were going to give it. So that meant one thing to me. We're dealing with the right people.

[ABC Reporter]

The White House would not say what exactly that gift is. The President would only say it's related to oil and gas passing through the Strait of Hormuz. Iranian officials still insist there are no negotiations underway with the United States. But tonight, sources tell me the Trump administration has sent over a 15 point peace plan to Iran by way of Pakistan with hopes of ending this war. David?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So Pakistan, the Pakistanis are our guys now in the middle, which is kind of interesting. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which brings me to a clip that's going to come up shortly thereafter. These three, which brings in another player, which nobody's talking about, which I don't understand why. Let's go to cbs.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Cbs.

[Ed O'Keefe]

Even as Iran launched missiles towards Israel and other Gulf nations today.

[President Trump]

We're in negotiations right now.

[Ed O'Keefe]

President Trump claimed the regime is so near defeat, it has no choice but to negotiate an end to the war.

[President Trump]

We killed all their leadership and then they met to choose new leaders and we killed all of them. And now we have a new group. We have really regime change. You know, this is a change in the regime.

[Ed O'Keefe]

What makes you trust them?

[President Trump]

I don't trust anybody. I don't trust you. Why do you say, what makes you. Do you think I trust them?

[Ed O'Keefe]

And why bother talking to them?

[President Trump]

Because they're going to make a deal. They're going to make a deal. They did something yesterday that was amazing, actually. They gave us a present and the President arrived today and it was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money. And I'm not going to tell you what that present is.

[Ed O'Keefe]

The president would only say that present had to do with oil and gas in the Strait of Hormuz, the major shipping route that remains blocked. Average gas prices have risen for 24 consecutive days, now nearing $4 a gallon nationwide. But even as the two countries are negotiating indirectly, the US is sending 5,000 troops to the region on top of the more than 50,000 already deployed. Those troops could be ordered to take Carg island, key oil shipping depot, or deploy on the Iranian coastline to help secure the strait. And tonight, CBS News has Learned More than 1,000 troops from the Army's 82nd Airborne Division are also deploying to the Middle East. They specialize in securing territory by parachuting out of airplanes. Tony?

[Adam Curry]

Hmm. So that's parachute, parachutes on the ground. Well, I mean, they're all hung up on the present, which I'm sure Trump said that that way specifically for this reason. So everybody would pick it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, they definitely did. So we're gonna move to NBC where because Richard Engel is the reporter, I have to assume this has gotten clearance. And this may be the official, whatever kind of report we're gonna talk about. I mean, what, the official intelligence sourced report. That's what I'm thinking.

[Adam Curry]

And that's from, that's from. Okay, here's angle.

[NBC Reporter]

More American troops we're learning tonight are heading to the Middle east to join the war with Iran. More than 1,000 from the 82nd Airborne Division. Two sources familiar with the matter tell NBC News they will soon deploy to the Gulf. This is President Trump. Just tonight appear to be already declaring victory.

[President Trump]

This war has been won.

[NBC Reporter]

At the exact time he was speaking, we filmed this, an Iranian cluster bomb exploding over Tel Aviv.

[President Trump]

We're actually talking to the right people and they want to make a deal so badly.

[NBC Reporter]

For now, the war is intensifying. Israel today announced new massive strikes on what it described as Iran's main production site for explosive material. US airstrikes aren't slowing down either, hitting around 500 targets a day. And Iran is still firing on Israel around the clock. Back channel diplomacy does appear to be taking shape. Pakistan today offered to mediate between the U.S. and Iran. Two sources telling NBC News in person. Negotiations could happen in the coming days, but not everyone wants a quick exit. Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu says Israel will keep attacking Iran and Lebanon until Israel's aims are achieved and Saudi Arabia's de Facto ruler Prince Mohammed bin Salman has told President Trump that Riyadh is concerned about leaving Iran angry and capable of continuing to strike its neighbors in the region, according to a senior Saudi official.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm hearing from different military sources that the, the GCC nations are getting mad at us. I don't know if that's true or if someone's just psyopping me, but that's what I'm hearing. Like, yeah, they're mad, they don't like it. What amazes me, I haven't heard that. Yeah, well, you know what amazes me? You know, we're talking, of course, it's, you know, this is ABC, NBC, CBS, and we're talking about $4 a gallon of gas. But what this is doing, and I think what I came to realize this morning is I'm putting all the show prep together. This Strait of Hormuz. These guys have had their hands on the throat of Asia, the European Union, UK for decades, particularly when it comes to liquid natural gas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And this, by the way, was the kind of finale or end point of the spook show. Rubicon.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, with the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back in the day.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but they sank a ship. They sank a ship in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they sank a ship in the middle of it to screw it up.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no one's done that yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yet.

[Adam Curry]

But it's amazing how, you know, because the oil baron, he's texting me every five minutes, you know, like, oh, this is, this is gonna happen, but we're gonna be here forever. And of course he's benefiting from oil prices, but where he's really benefiting is from gas. I think he's hedged 40% gas, 60% oil. He's had Japanese in town all day. They're signing long term contracts for Texas gas. They're saying if this war continues, they will run out of LNG and that'll be in a couple of weeks. Diesel is also an issue, but it's the gas I think that people are overlooking. Here's the CBS had a report on

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

it as drones and missiles rain havoc on oil and gas facilities across the Middle East. Thousands of miles away, the war has triggered a crisis in Asia with energy shortages hitting almost every country on the continent all dependent.

[Adam Curry]

Enough with the gnat pops.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

People on the Persian Gulf for supply. Japan and South Korea are tapping into strategic reserves while developing countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand and the Philippines are rationing fuel and closing gas stations. In India, protests have erupted over surging prices and acute shortages. China has reserves and pipelines, but has already Banned exports of jet fuel, diesel and fertilizer, which is having a knock on effect in self governed Taiwan that produces the world's high end semiconductors. There are serious concerns of what a protracted conflict will mean for the island Democracy that imports 97% of its energy.

[Adam Curry]

We are going to feel the same

[CNN Reporter]

impact as other countries.

[Arthur Brooks]

You know, the rising LNG price, rising oil price. Are they going to hurt the economy, our economy?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

It's the Deputy Foreign Minister Chen Ming Chi says the government is now racing to find alternative supplies.

[Adam Curry]

What happened in the Middle east, tell

[John C. Dvorak]

us that's very important for us to

[Adam Curry]

diversify our energy supply.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Will Taiwan be buying more LNG from the United States?

[Adam Curry]

Definitely. I think that we have to diversify.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

If the crisis in the Middle east drags on, it could prove to be a windfall for American energy companies, in particular natural gas producers, as governments across Asia, including here in Taiwan, try to secure long term supply.

[Adam Curry]

Luckily you know a lot about this. Where do we get our diesel from? Our. What is that requires a different. Is that the Venezuelan oil now?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, you can get diesel pretty much from anything.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. So we're actually in a good kind of.

[John C. Dvorak]

The problem with diesel, right? The problem with diesel right now is states like California implemented this new low sulfur diesel because diesel necessarily has sulfur just always the way it was made. And now they've restricted that and it makes diesel cost more than high octane.

[Adam Curry]

Right, but that's California.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that, yeah. But because of the nature of that fuel, it's one of those things that if you do it in one place, you have to do it everywhere.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. So, so California screws it up for everybody, Is that what you're saying?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, kind of. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, screw those guys. That's us foam finger number one. The EU is also in and they were already in a lot of trouble with, you know, cutting off Russian gas or refusing to take it. And then, you know, I guess Biden blew up the Nord stream too. Didn't make it easier. And now there's nothing coming out of Hormuz. And we're the guys. We seem to be in the catbird seat.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

We have a strategy that is built for a world of higher uncertainty with risks and scenarios at its core.

[Adam Curry]

Mrs. Fifi Lagarde, we have a graduated

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

set of options for responding and we are starting.

[Adam Curry]

Graduated set of options. That's interesting.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

From a better place should we need to act and we will not act before we have sufficient information on the size and persistence of the shock and its propagation at Its most recent meeting last week. Last week, the ECB kept interest rates on hold, as expected, while warning of high inflation and lower growth due to the war. But analysts now expect the central bank to raise interest rates as early as next month to curb a likely rise in consumer prices.

[Adam Curry]

That's great.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Higher global oil and gas costs have led to immediate petrol price hikes in the eurozone and brought back memories of the energy shock that followed Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

So our favorite word is already being bandied about Europe, which is stagflation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm not convinced that stagflation is what's going on.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're not producing anything. What do they make anymore?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, but they have. They can sell Chinese goods and say they did them.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, I guess they could. They could, but I don't know. To me it just seems like, okay, this is pretty good for America. I mean, if we figure. I mean, if California would stop the nonsense with the sulfur, then wouldn't we be kind of. Okay, we got gas, lots of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you think the price of gas is here?

[Adam Curry]

But I'm talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, just.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you're probably seven, eight bucks at this point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seven. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And it's. It's premium. Here is. 460. Yeah, you know, the. Who.

[President Trump]

Who.

[Adam Curry]

Who still uses regular. Should I be doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think you get. Well, I'm not sure.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, you know, this is. This is a quite. I think you've answered this for me before, but I mean, do I need to have premium in a modern vehicle? Is that a necessity or is this some marketing thing that I'm falling into?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you should use premium.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. And what vehicle should I not be using? Premium?

[John C. Dvorak]

When it says. When you open the little thing, it says use regular. When it says that, then you use regular.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rental cars.

[Adam Curry]

All rental cars. Oh, this is. That's a good. That's a good point. I've probably always put premium into my rental cars.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would never do that.

[Adam Curry]

What a dumb idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

What a dummy.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, don't worry.

[No Agenda Producer]

I'll.

[Adam Curry]

I'll take care of the gas myself. 87. Here you go. 87 octane. It knocks a little bit, but otherwise it's a good ride.

[John C. Dvorak]

Actually, all the newer cars have not computers that they'll just atone it back and you won't knock. Right.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so you still haven't really answered my question. Is it a year? Is it a type of engine? What is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the compression mostly and also the. The what it's required to maintain a certain horsepower.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

You could probably put. I mean, you could put premium in or crap. I'm sorry, not regular gas into a premium engine like let's say Alexis. And it would say, oh, this is no good. And it would detune the engine. You had a. You're driving around a junker.

[Adam Curry]

I don't need to drive fast, man. If it saves me a dollar a gallon.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. It's not a dollar. And I would recommend it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, I'm going to play these clips. This is kind of a follow up to the three by three, but this is from ntd.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, which one?

[John C. Dvorak]

And these are the Trump Iran talks.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Iran wanted to talk and President Trump is willing to listen. That's what the White House is saying today as the Central Command announces fresh results from Operation Epic Fury. Joining us Now Live is NTD's White House Correspondent, Iris Tao. Good evening, Iris. What is the latest from the White House? You didn't do as well, Tiff. So as the Trump administration has reportedly presented.

[Adam Curry]

What? What?

[John C. Dvorak]

I usually take those big gaps out.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's okay. I thought it was. It was all right. How you can I. How you feeling, by the way? Sorry, I forgot.

[John C. Dvorak]

I feel pretty much the same as the last time, but I think my voice is a little gravelier.

[Adam Curry]

It has a sex appeal to it that I'm kind of digging.

[No Agenda Producer]

Yeah.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

To Iran. The White House today is pushing back on reports saying that Tehran has rejected that peace plan, while also saying that talks remain ongoing and productive. The White House is also making clear that the US Will step up attacks if Tehran rejects peace. Also warning that the president does not bluff. Watch. President's preference is always peace. There does not need to be any more death and destruction. But if Iran fails to accept the reality of the current moment, if they fail to understand that they have been defeated militarily and will continue to be president, Trump will ensure they are hit harder than they have ever been hit before. President Trump dud is not bluff and he is prepared to unleash hell. Iran should not miscalculate again.

[Adam Curry]

And just looking at the algo, I think it's pretty safe to predict he's going to hit something hard again.

[John C. Dvorak]

You might be right.

[Adam Curry]

That's how he works every single time. Like, okay, all right, it's getting a little old. Well, it's the system. It's how he runs it. And I'm happy I don't have to run it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the thing about NTD is they do bring in new information at these next two clips. The third one in particular, total clip is it's like nobody's talking about half this stuff on the mainstream. And let's go with the Clip 2 schedule.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

And Jeff, the White House today also announcing that President Trump's meeting with China's Xi Jinping will take place in Beijing now on May 5th, 14th and 15th. Of course, that meeting was previously postponed amid the war in Iran. And when asked today if the new timeline means that a war will also wrap up before then, the White House reiterates that the original timeline for the war was four to six weeks, but now they are ahead of schedule.

[Adam Curry]

I saw the cabinet meeting this morning as I'm putting clips together. I was like, do I need to clip anything? Answer no. But it was, the president said the same thing. It's like we had four to six weeks. We're way ahead of schedule. I think we got like two weeks left, but we're way ahead of schedule. Everything's hunky dory. Should be wrapping it up pretty soon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's hope so. Now this is the one that I kind of got my attention, made me put these together. Which is adding Turkey to the mix. Nobody is discussing this.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Almost a month into the war in Iran and the United States and Israel continue launching strikes against the Iranian regime. This as Turkey says it's now mediating talks between the US And Iran to help bring an end to the war entities. Jason Perry has the latest war update.

[Reuters Reporter]

US Forces on Wednesday report striking Iranian military infrastructure that has threatened American troops and regional partners for decades. The US Military also addressing claims that the Iranian regime shot down a US Fighter jet, saying in a post on X that the claim is false, adding that no US Fighter aircraft have been shot down by Iran fighting alongside the U.S. the Israeli air Force saying they completed another wave of overnight attacks in Iran, this one on weapons production sites in and near Tehran, including a strike on a facility used for developing submarines. An Israeli general saying this the day

[Retired Brigadier General Steve Anderson]

before

[Adam Curry]

the Iranians plan to launch hundreds of missiles towards Israel on the first day of the operation. They fired fewer than 100 on the the first day and half that amount on the second day. The number of launches decreased very quickly. The average is roughly about 10 missiles per day.

[Reuters Reporter]

An Iranian missile was seen falling from the sky in Israel on Wednesday. And workers cleaning up the aftermath from an Iranian missile that struck Israel's largest city, Tel Aviv. Also in the region. A Turkish official telling Reuters on Wednesday that Turkey is now mediating talks between the US And Iran in an effort to help bring an end to the war. The Turkey Turkish official did not elaborate on what messages were being passed between the U. S and Iran, but he did say that messages were also being passed on to Gulf countries who have been caught up in the war. This as Iranian attack drones reportedly struck a fuel tank at Kuwait International Airport the same day.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no mention of Turkey by the. No anybody except these guys. And it makes more sense if you think about it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're, they're in the region now. The Pakistan, the Pakistan stuff, that has to be about oil for China. That's got to be some backroom deal. Hey, hey, Trump, we need give us some oil, man. Come on ship some our way. That's got to be what that is.

[John C. Dvorak]

That would make more sense. But they're not. Pakistanis aren't known for negotiating peace deals, but the Turks are always trying to get in on the action.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, always horning in. Well, they're a NATO member, so they do have some standing still.

[John C. Dvorak]

The last of the clip just mentions the Kuwait and Lebanon which are still kind of sideshows.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's Israel's deal. I think Israel is in charge blowing that up.

[Reuters Reporter]

Kuwait's ambassador to the United nations in Geneva saying this about the situation.

[Adam Curry]

What we are witnessing today is a persistent aggressive approach that disregards all the efforts and initiatives undertaken by the state

[Kuwait Ambassador]

of Kuwait and other countries in the

[Adam Curry]

region over many years to establish the

[PBS Analyst]

principles of good neighborliness and build trust.

[Reuters Reporter]

And in another development, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying Israel is determined to fundamentally change the situation in Lebanon. And the Israel Defense Forces said they'll continue to operate against Hezbollah, accusing the terrorist group of attacking Israel on behalf of the Iranian regime.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Israel's got its own thing, I think was France 24 had a report on how the US interests have diverged from Israel.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

The still smoldering aftermath of Iranian airstrikes on Tel Aviv Tuesday morning. Weeks into the conflict, the number of missiles launched at Israel was waning. But in recent days, they've started raining down again, casting doubts on just how destroyed Iran's ballistic missile program actually is. Now US President Donald Trump is u turning on the war from escalating threats to negotiations with Tehran. After speaking with Trump, Israel's prime minister attempted to show unity while emphasizing the fight will go on.

[Adam Curry]

President Trump believes there's a chance to leverage the tremendous achievements of the IDF and the US Military in order to realize the war's objectives in an agreement, an agreement that will safeguard our vital interests. At the same time, we continue to strike both in Iran and in Lebanon.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Israel has been clear its goal is to bring down the Iranian regime. But US war objectives continue to shift from the destruction of the nuclear program to ballistic capabilities or even at one point, regime change. Now, faced with the possibility it's American partner may want out of the conflict altogether. Israel is trying to convince the world the war isn't over.

[Adam Curry]

We continue to attack Iran with all our might. Regarding Lebanon, Hezbollah made the grave mistake when it attacked Israel as a tool of the Iranian terrorist regime and it is paying and will pay a heavy price.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Israel wants to avoid a repeat of the 12 day one war in June 2025, which ended at the insistence of Donald Trump.

[Adam Curry]

So there's a little disagreement there. Trump needs to do what Bibi says. I don't understand. He's not listening.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the Israelis are going to be on their own.

[Adam Curry]

They sure are. Did you see that? That theory? Someone sent it to us this morning. If you were looking at a grand plan, how. And it kind of explains our lackadaisical approach to Syria. Hey, you used to be an ISIS guy. You got a suit on, you can run the country

[John C. Dvorak]

with a new name,

[Adam Curry]

change your name, throw on the suit, you're good to go. So the thesis is that this is all about us gaining complete energy dominance. So we cut off China with their Syria connection because they had a whole transit thing set up. We got Venezuela and that Venezuela oil is being traded in dollars. Now we see what happens with the Straits of Hormuz. I personally think we're going to take over the island. Kharg Island. And we'll be running that part seems like. And again, making sure it gets sold in dollars, especially to you, China, and then the lng.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the real price.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, at retail. No more wholesale for you. Retail prices. And then the LNG part, I think this is much bigger than we realize. Europe has to buy it from us, Asia has to buy it from us. You know, we're going to power all of the infrastructure in all the AI. They took out a whole bunch of data centers too, which is kind of interesting. Amazon data centers. There's your AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

They bombed one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, a couple of them. Yeah, they bombed a couple of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're in Iran?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, in Saudi Arabia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who bombed them?

[Adam Curry]

The Iranians.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Let me see if I still have that. I have a link somewhere about it. Yeah, they took out a. Actually, it was our boots on the ground guy. Here he is. Let me see. This is from our guy in the Region. A new casualty of war is data centers and cloud service providers. Both AWS locations. Oh, in Bahrain, I'm sorry, and uae, not Saudi Arabia, were targeted in the past three weeks. The impact was quite devastating as data center physical security protects from an intruder or fire. But no data center is designed to withstand a direct drone or ballistic missile hit. Now, consider the future crosshair the world will have around shiny new and expensive AI data centers and the potential cost to fortify. So I think somehow wrapped up in this is, and that could be part of Trump's maniacal idea that AI is the new oil, the most important thing in the world, and you can't power them without our nuclear and LNG plants. And we're going to outrun China with it. China really is hurting, I think, from this oil glut much less than we are. So if there's a big plan, a big strategy behind it, part of it is working, I think. The dollar seems to be getting stronger, which in my mind means people need dollars to get energy. And the next boots to fall on the ground would be, hey, Russia, go ahead and sell it. Let Russia sell the oil real cheap. We've already kind of started that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we'll see. It seems too damn complicated.

[Adam Curry]

Well, what would be. What do you mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, you got all these moving parts, you've got the, you know, oil and gas, and then there's all these other subcategories. In fact, you can play this clip, which is urea is another missing element in Australia.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's the, the pig urine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it comes from petroleum.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but pig urine, we've talked about this stuff. You need it for your climate change friendly diesel.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Well, there are fresh warnings that Australia's food production could be halved in months as the war in Iran disrupts supply chains. So what's the biggest threat to our farmers? Well, it all comes down to fuel and fertiliser.

[Kuwait Ambassador]

Australia imports 96% of our urea fertilizers

[Adam Curry]

from overseas, with over half of that coming from the Middle East. But with the war, exports have ground to a halt, and that will impact

[Kuwait Ambassador]

our farmers and eventually our food at supermarkets.

[Adam Curry]

Right, fertilizer again. How could we let these, these numb nuts in Iran control all of this? This is what's being exposed and the

[John C. Dvorak]

other bad, bad actor. And this is. Which nobody's talking about because it's a little esoteric. Which is helium.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I had a clip about that. I think you need that to cool down stuff like chip, chip manufacturing.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's necessary for cheap Chip manufacturing and TMSC is only got like three weeks supply left. I think Samsung has about three or four months. And if they, if you have to shut down one of these plants like the one in Taiwan, it could take up to five months to get it back up.

[Adam Curry]

Oh really? You can't just flip the switch on those?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no switch, no switch flipping.

[Adam Curry]

Really? Why is that?

[John C. Dvorak]

The process is complex.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I mean, okay, so you don't have any helium. Okay, we got to stop. But then you start it up again. It's it, that's. What do you happen to know the complexity of it?

[John C. Dvorak]

I, I'm not unsure of it, but there's a lot of moving parts. Well and it's one of those things that has to be running all the time.

[Adam Curry]

I'm thinking by Wednesday next week this thing is we've got something wrapped up. If not, it's going to get really ugly because then they can just drag on. I found CNN had retired. What is he? General I think or Admiral, I don't know who it is now. Stephen Anderson and he had some pretty decent things to say about the so called boots on the ground because the 82nd Airborne, they're elite guys and gals, they go and do stuff and get stuff done. And I got a couple clips.

[CNN Reporter]

President Trump said Tuesday Vice President J.D. vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio set to lead negotiations, officials telling CNN a potential meeting this weekend could happen in Pakistan, although exact timing and location remains very fluid. The President also has said Secretary Rubio along with special envoy Steve Witkoff and the President's son in law Jared Kushner will take part in negotiations with Iran, although it's still unclear whether they'll travel to Pakistan for a meeting this weekend. Let's discuss all of this with retired Brigadier General Steve Anderson. General, really appreciate you coming in. I want to start with the headlines that people may have seen. CNN reported about a deployment of about 1,000 troops from the 82nd Airborne. And just to start with, the 82nd Airborne itself spent a lot of time in Fort Prague as a kid.

[Retired Brigadier General Steve Anderson]

The significance of the unit, it's a great unit. The immediate response, it's a great unit.

[Adam Curry]

I tell you those guys are a

[Retired Brigadier General Steve Anderson]

great unit force that they put together probably about a thousand troops, although some people are saying perhaps 2000. That's probably about a battalion's worth. They can be on the the ground in about 22 hours or so to fly to a place like probably Al Udid Air Base in Qatar. That would put them if the mission is carg island, they'd be about 250 miles away. Still a long shot, but still something they could do. If the mission is in the Strait of Hormuz, as some people have talked about, that could be also 250 miles away and they could go to Seaside island there. But I mean, this is a light unit. Okay, so. So they're going to have crew serve weapons, they're going to have individual weapons, they're going to have some mortars, they're going to have aviation support, they're going to have Apache helicopters. You know, they're going to probably be lifted in on Chinooks or maybe even Black Hawks. Probably take about 70 some odd Blackhawks to move a unit of that size, battalion size, into Carg Island. If they had C130s and they wanted to do an airborne operation, which they could, it would take about probably 15 or so C130, 30s. But again, that's a very, very dangerous situation.

[Adam Curry]

I'm thinking the retired military man here is sending some messages. That sounds plausible to me. 82nd Airborne Apaches, drop them in, take over the island.

[CNN Reporter]

The buildup that we've seen, also Marine units have been moving toward the region as well. I think there's a lot of questions about what it actually means, whether it's an optionality issue or whether it is. There are definitely going to be boots on the ground. Speaker Mike Johnson said this when he was asked about it.

[Adam Curry]

Listen, the buildup of troops is very different than boots on the ground. We don't have boots on the ground. We just got a lot in the region, man. They're not on the ground. They're in the water. Okay, feet's in the water. I don't think that's the intention, but I think Iran should watch that build up and they need to take note of that.

[CNN Reporter]

The distinction there, I understand it on its face, but a buildup at this level to where it's at right now, is this something that could be pulled back with no repercussions?

[Retired Brigadier General Steve Anderson]

Absolutely, Phil. I mean, it could. I mean, it could be a bargaining chip, you know, for diplomacy. Just like Speaker Johnson suggests. The MEU is going to be a very capable entity right now. The 31st MEU, we believe, is at the mouth of the Persian Gulf, but they still got to come through the Strait of Hormuz, you know, if in fact they're going to go to something like Khargarh or Carg island or one of the islands in, in within the Strait. But I mean, I think that putting boots on the ground, obviously would be a huge step forward. And, you know, we were talking Mission Creek big time, but perhaps they're just trying to position these forces over there in the Middle east to give them

[CNN Reporter]

some options later on, send a signal on some level.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, on the signal on some level. Final one, just because I thought there was a fun little quote in here.

[CNN Reporter]

When it comes to the Strait of Hormuz, obviously there has been no major breakthrough. There have been no naval escorts. The insurance proposal wasn't enough to trigger tankers and their personnel saying, sure, we'll take a shot at this. Is there a viable military solution to that that the US Would be considering right now?

[Retired Brigadier General Steve Anderson]

I would think that probably the only viable military solution, the one that makes the most sense, is to have some kind of an escort mission. But it's going to still be fraught with peril because you're talking about an enemy, a committed enemy. I mean, 200,000, you know, religious fanatics. That's what the IRGC is. These people are fighting to the death. They are not going to go down easily. It's either kill or be killed. They know if there's any kind of a regime change, they're gone. So they're going to continue to use all their asymmetric capabilities. They're going to use mines, they're going to use missiles. They're going to use probably some of the cruise missiles. Like homemade cruise missiles. You remember, Phil, when the Moscow was

[Adam Curry]

sunk by the Ukrainians for you, homemade cruise missiles.

[John C. Dvorak]

I made one the other day.

[Retired Brigadier General Steve Anderson]

Probably some of the cruise missiles, like homemade cruise missiles. You remember when the Moscow was sunk by the Ukrainians four years ago, that was essentially a surfboard on steroids. They also got drones, as we all know.

[Adam Curry]

So they're going to use all those

[Retired Brigadier General Steve Anderson]

elements of their power, their asymmetric power, to try to interdict the strait as best they possibly can.

[Adam Curry]

Know. I don't know, man. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, maybe they want to take the. How about this? Okay, so Trump is in talks with. With a renegade offshoot of the irgc, obviously. Yeah. And with some hot shots.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some guys who can, who could stop.

[Adam Curry]

They can do stuff. They can do stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they obviously can show. And that's why they sent the 10 ships through to show that, not watch. We're gonna watch how they. They go right through. There's a gift. Take these ships. And so nobody even took a shot at them.

[Adam Curry]

That's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we're in charge down here. But the ayatollahs or whoever the other side the faction, another faction up north owns that has got that island. And they're the ones that's still going to be benefited, benefiting from all the, the oil that they're going to be able to pump out of that place. That's the oil export area. So if you guys can grab that for us. Oh, you got the firepower to do it? You've already bombed the crap out of it. Now just grab it and lock it down and we're good to go.

[Adam Curry]

Possible. Kind of like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, why not? We do that kind of stuff. Yeah, fight for someone else. The Jews usually.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, Jesse Waters sent Johnny out for spring break. Always a hoot. Did you see this one I was having?

[John C. Dvorak]

I almost, I was gonna do a three part clip. I only have two. Yes, I did. It was a typical kind of disgusting because the girls are all sluts and many of them are just gorgeous. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And drunk.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the most surprising thing? Well, I got here the first day I hooked up with a guy and we're gonna do one a day.

[Arthur Brooks]

We sent Johnny down there for a little welfare check.

[Adam Curry]

What college you guys go to?

[John C. Dvorak]

UCC.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

FAU.

[Adam Curry]

Sacred Heart University, Ohio State, spring break 2026. What is the game plan?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Drinking blackout with my rack out if

[Planetary Society Host]

my mom is watching.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blackout with my rack out. Now you have to. The thing about this that's always overlooked. I'm kind of a student of this segment.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Can you turn your mic down just a little bit? You're just, you're just crunching a little bit. Sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I, I, There you go. I try to keep up with this and one of the things that the subtext is these are all college students and he has them name the colleges.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

So if you go to Ohio State, you're going to be blacking out with your racket. Blackout with my rack out. I mean, come on.

[Retired Brigadier General Steve Anderson]

Spring break 2026.

[Adam Curry]

What is the game plan?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Drinking blackout with my rock out if

[Adam Curry]

my mom is watching.

[Planetary Society Host]

I'm sorry mom, but I've been getting pretty drunk almost every day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hook up with some girls, get with as many girls as we can and not come back with the std.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Wake out with one person each night. That's it.

[Adam Curry]

So how many guys have you made out with this week?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

I've been here for about 10 days. So 10.

[Adam Curry]

What were their names?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

I don't remember.

[Adam Curry]

Name one. What is the craziest thing you've seen at spring break?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Not that crazy. I've seen people do like cocaine off of boobs. I saw A girl like black out on the street. That was pretty exciting. Sunday mimosa drag races.

[John C. Dvorak]

You see, I gotta take his pants

[Adam Curry]

off in the middle of the club.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

There's a lot of famous people down here.

[Adam Curry]

Have you seen Johnny Bellisario?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

What?

[Adam Curry]

Never mind. Okay, what is the wildest thing you've done down here?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Got with somebody that first night that

[Adam Curry]

I came down here, whole day, two days ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stripping naked, getting in the water.

[Adam Curry]

You got to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got to say what you do.

[Adam Curry]

You went something crazy. All the strip, honestly.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

On the strip.

[NBC Reporter]

No.

[No Agenda Theme Singer]

We had this.

[Adam Curry]

What issue facing America is the most important to you?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

What bikini I'm going to wear next?

[Adam Curry]

We just have to remind everybody that man on the street segments are the most fun for any television producer because you can mold it and shape it however you want. Because I'm sure there were some kids going. I'm really concerned about what's happening in Iran. Okay, maybe not cool. Diego, dude.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

University of North Florida in Jacksonville.

[John C. Dvorak]

Georgetown University, The Ohio State University.

[Adam Curry]

How woke is your school?

[Planetary Society Host]

Woke.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Like party wise, we're woke as pretty woke. I will say they're crazy over there.

[Ed O'Keefe]

What is the definition of woke?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

The definition of woke? Oh my gosh, that's like a difficult question.

[Adam Curry]

What happens at spring break?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

You have a few people offering you to do things for money. That's probably the craziest.

[John C. Dvorak]

My friend was shrieking all day last night. My friend Pete, last night.

[Adam Curry]

Why do you do that?

[Planetary Society Host]

Because he's a degenerate.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

I just saw a guy start punching this other guy.

[President Trump]

Was he really good or was it just.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, he was really good.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

He started practice.

[President Trump]

Did I have taken him in a fight?

[Adam Curry]

How would the ladies been treating you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Treated me. The three shots for free.

[Adam Curry]

She treated you to shots?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's usually the other way around, but.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're drinking out of a straw, so it kind of checks out. Is that good?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it tastes like ass. But we're drinking it.

[Adam Curry]

How are the guys been treating you?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Oh, they're guys. Nice. Lovely.

[Adam Curry]

So chivalry is not dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is,

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

but you don't come to Fort Lauderdale to find your husband. They like, like it when you say like. Like, oh, I have a boyfriend. They're like, okay, well, he's not here.

[Adam Curry]

If you were President of the United States, what would be the first thing that you guys do?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Buy something really cool. Like a bunch of cars. Lower the drinking age.

[Adam Curry]

All the girls got to be in bikinis 24 7.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Give me and my friends a lot of money.

[Adam Curry]

You'd Steal?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

From the Federal Reserve.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

What's Federal Reserve.

[Ed O'Keefe]

Tell me about ice.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

I mean, someone's gotta do it. Makes every drink better.

[John C. Dvorak]

He wants.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Wants a warm drink.

[ABC Reporter]

Not me.

[Adam Curry]

My dad has a restaurant, and if

[Planetary Society Host]

ICE went into that restaurant and took.

[John C. Dvorak]

And went into our kitchen, I'm not

[Adam Curry]

gonna name the restaurant because ICE will

[Planetary Society Host]

actually see this and do it. But, yeah, like, the restaurant would not be open.

[Adam Curry]

How about all those TSA lines?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

I'm, like, scared to go back. All the flights are getting canceled. One of them was really nice to me. I had a puppy dog, like my stuffed animal in my backpack, and he loved it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my God. I was in line for 40 minutes. Yeah, that was.

[Adam Curry]

That's interesting. You. You did not include any of the Iran stuff that. That they had in that segment.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I intended to. And that's clip two, which you'll see is missing by the numbering sequence. Yes, Is missing.

[Adam Curry]

I have some of what would have been clip 2. I'm very happy the Ayatollah is dead.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

I'm so. What? Who.

[John C. Dvorak]

What.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

What is that?

[Planetary Society Host]

Who the is Ayatollah?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

I've never heard that word in my life.

[Adam Curry]

What's Ayatollah? I haven't heard.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

I found out about Chuck Norris yesterday. That was more devastating to me.

[Retired Brigadier General Steve Anderson]

He was the Supreme Leader of Iran.

[Adam Curry]

He's dead. We killed him. Oh, you did? You killed him. What have you heard about Venezuela?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Venezuela? Nothing. I'm not sure. I barely know what'd be going on in, like, Tennessee, where I'm from, that

[Planetary Society Host]

they beat us in the World Baseball Classic.

[Adam Curry]

Have you heard anything else?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

No, nothing. I haven't heard nothing about Venezuela.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's. That's pretty much. That's why there's two of us.

[No Agenda Producer]

Good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good catch. But, you know, they don't know anything.

[Adam Curry]

It's embarrassment. Well, yes, on one hand, it's an embarrassment. I will tell you that the American college youth, the university kids, are envied by university kids around the world, certainly in Europe, because they look at this and they go, wow. They got no care in the world. It's great. They're getting blackout with their rack out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And look at the nice figures on a couple of those girls.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And I have a feeling that this may not be all that bad. You're a freshman, you're a sophomore. Do all your idiotic things. And whatever's happening, whatever. We're all super concerned with the whole pot o sphere. They're like, he's having a good time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's. Well, they are Having a good time.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's. I don't think it's an embarrassment like, you know, you'll figure it out later.

[John C. Dvorak]

At some level it is, you'll figure

[Adam Curry]

it out later that you need some worry about some things. But do you really have to, I mean, do you, are you, don't you

[John C. Dvorak]

think by the time that you're a freshman or a sophomore in college at the Ohio State and that you've graduated from high school and you don't know what an ayatollah is now, you don't need to know embarrassing parts to high

[Adam Curry]

schools, but you don't need to know in America. You just need to know how to drive the Uber, just follow the directions on the map. You know, these, these are happy dumb people. I have less of a problem with it than I thought I would. Eh. Okay. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're becoming very tolerant.

[Adam Curry]

I'm a bit tolerant. It was a, it was an interesting Sunday this morning, which is, was at cbs I think had Arthur Brooks, who is supposedly New York Times best selling author. Do you know Arthur Brooks, New York Times bestselling author?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

He's a blowhard. The kind of guy you gotta, you gotta edit the pauses between every single word he says.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, one of those guys.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. But what he was saying reminded me a lot of you in a good way. And I want you to listen to this and tell me if you agree. I think he's spot on with this. And it was just I thought of you, I'm like, oh, that's kind of what John does.

[Arthur Brooks]

Throughout all of human history, boredom was just a part of life. We went to work in the factory or on the farm, and a lot of that time was, well, pretty boring. But here's the thing that made our brains work properly. When you're bored, a set of structures in your brain turns on called the Default mode network. This is what you use for mind wandering, abstract thinking, and considering the meaning of your life. In the last 15 years, we've all but gotten rid of boredom. And you know how the average person looks at his or her phone 205 times a day. But that also means the Default Mode network stays off. So we never think about life's big why questions. Over time, this creates a sense of emptiness, a lack of purpose and significance. This can lead to anxiety and depression. To reintroduce yourself to the meaning of your life means to learn to manage your devices and not let them manage you. That requires living with a few simple rules that introduce more silent spaces into your life. Go for A walk each day without your phone. Work out without headphones. Create a phone free zone at mealtimes. Put away the phone an hour before bed and keep it out of the bedroom. At first this will be hard because the moment you're a little bored, you'll reach for the device and feel a little twinge of disappointment. But don't worry, it gets easier with practice. It will take about two weeks, but you'll find a richness you haven't felt maybe in years. You'll be calmer and more at peace. This is how you'll know your brain is working the way it was designed. People will notice the difference and ask your happiness secret. Just tell them that your life got more interesting. Why? Because you allowed yourself to be bored.

[Adam Curry]

Now I know that you don't have a phone or phone addiction and that you don't grab your phone when you're bored. I have a feeling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, because I, I mean, I used to, I wasn't terrible, but I once I put it in the drawer and then decided to make a thing about having it in the drawer. And after about. It takes about four months. And then, you know, that's interesting because you think, oh, I needed to, I needed to go to the store. What happens if there's an emergency? And so you constantly worried about. So you stop carrying it around and you stop using it for navigation. And after about four, it takes about two months to get used to that. And then it becomes pleasurable. It improves things. You. It's like you don't have to worry about where your phone is. It's just in the drawer. And. And then it becomes like, wow, I'm just going to leave it in the drawer all the time. I do pull it out. I have it right now because I'm not at my house and I need some form of communication.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's, it's the way to go.

[Adam Curry]

Now, do you, do you get bored?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't know what bored. I mean, I can find ways to.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, let me ask you this. When you go out, you don't have. You go to the grocery store. So this is what I see all the time. You go to the grocery store, you're standing in the line, the checkout line.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. I see it too.

[Adam Curry]

And what do you do when you're in the checkout line because you don't have your phone?

[John C. Dvorak]

I stand like a normal person in the checkout line waiting to get checked out.

[Adam Curry]

Are you thinking of stuff like life?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. I guess that's the moment he's talking about. Yeah, yeah, probably good for me now. Now that he says it, it sounds like it might be healthy.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And I think these kids, they're using their phone only to hook up, you know, hey, where are you going to be? And the rest of the time they're drinking. Okay? Just replace the drinking with some boredom and some thought about life, and they'll probably be okay. It's the. It's the. The. The constant. I've gotta.

[President Trump]

I've.

[Adam Curry]

I gotta check what's going on. What's happening? Oh, man. Oh, what is Trump doing? Oh, I gotta make sure I'm at the. No Kings Day Saturday, which is happening again. No Kings Saturday. Did you see our first lady?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I passed it over a couple of times. I've been maybe thinking about watching it, but no. So you must have watched.

[No Agenda Theme Singer]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And I was so disappointed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why?

[Adam Curry]

Because, first of all, she had a robot. So she walks out with a robot. The robot looks like every other manky robot, you know. Okay. It's walking next to her. Oh, wow. I'm.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was the point of that?

[Adam Curry]

Well, we'll get to the point of that. She walks out with the robot, and they all sit behind the dais. You got Bob McCrone sitting there. You got the. The first lady of Roman, you know, the princess, the whatever. You got all these ladies. And if you watch the Melania documentary, you know, they're all. They're all in it together.

[President Trump]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to help the children doing everything. And I like the first lady, but this was so disappointing. So then they get the robot. The robot stands in front of the dais, and the robot is kind of waving with its jerky arm to everybody. And this is the whole. This is the whole robot speech.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Thank you, First Lady Melania Trump, for inviting me to the White House. It is an honor.

[Adam Curry]

The robot has vocal fry to be

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

at Fostering the Future.

[John C. Dvorak]

It sounds exactly like Carolyn Levitt.

[Adam Curry]

It does.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Inviting me to the White House. It is an honor to be at Fostering the Future Together's Global Coalition inaugural meeting. I'm figure three, a humanoid built in the United States of America. I am grateful to be part of this historic movement to empower children with technology and education.

[Adam Curry]

Welcome.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Bienvenidos.

[Adam Curry]

So now it's going through welcome in all these different languages. Wow, it speaks different languages. Thank you. It can vocal fry in 16 languages. I mean, what is this? Excuse me. I'm very disappointed. This robot doesn't do a backflip. Doesn't do anything fun like point people. Out say, hey, you know, I recognize you with my. With my facial recognition. How's your kid doing? Anything but this. This vocal fry bienvenue.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then again I ask what's. What was the point?

[Adam Curry]

Here we go.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Imagine a humanoid educator named Plato. Plato is always patient and. And always available. Predictably, our children, we develop deep critical thinking and independent reasoning abilities. The AI powered Play DOH will boost analytics skills and problem solving and adopt in real time to a student's space, prior knowledge and even emotional state. The byproduct, a more well rounded lifestyle for our children. Freeing up time for being with friends, playing sports and developing interest beyond school. A more complete person.

[Adam Curry]

So the first lady is advocating for robot teachers so the kid can somehow become more well rounded. This. This. I didn't. I don't understand this at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was in the Netflix special.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, no. This happened just yesterday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

This happened at the White House. No, this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

No, the White House, the Netflix special. You saw her talking about her. Her nonprofit.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, did she come out with

[Adam Curry]

the robot at the White House? Yes, she walked out.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I mean on the Netflix.

[Adam Curry]

No, the Netflix special.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you see, you're confusing me.

[Adam Curry]

Well, okay, I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is all he's. I thought we were talking about the documentary.

[Adam Curry]

No, this is. This was yesterday in the White House. She's walking out with the robot and then. And then the whole thing is. Oh, yeah, remember, the robot's name is Plato. But she says play doh, which is just fantastic.

[Arthur Brooks]

Play doh.

[Adam Curry]

Play doh. Okay, but I. She is. She is for children. You're not gonna have your kid educated by this stupid robot.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what's going on.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever it is, it's not okay. I'm very against that. It just doesn't. Maybe she.

[John C. Dvorak]

You started off with the. With an analysis of the. Of the documentary.

[Adam Curry]

You never gave me a listen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it any good?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, just because Mimi and I talked about the documentary. I'm sorry. Yes, I liked the documentary a lot. I liked it because she shows a kind of. Jackie Kennedy might kill my husband one day if he gets out of line. Shoot him. Class, very meticulous about everything, wants to bring class back to the White House. And I like that. As an American, I like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know it's classy about a robot.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's my point. It is perpendicular to the whole. Melania loving children. And she was talking in the documentary with Bob Macron and the Jordanian lady about their nonprofit and their work for children. We have to do stuff for children. And they're all there at the White House when Melania walks out with the robot and this is what they're doing for children. I'm like, no, Heck no. What happened to teachers?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, these robots aren't going to work out.

[Adam Curry]

It's no good anyway. Leads me into the big news of the day.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

So, Kelly, after more than a week of deliberations, a jury in Los Angeles finding Both Metta and YouTube liable on all counts in this bellwether civil case over allegations that their platforms were designed to be addictive. That, of course, course comes just one day after a separate jury in New Mexico ruled against Meta in a case centered on similar claims about product design and child safety. Now, in this LA case, jurors were asked whether the companies misled the public about the safety of their apps and whether certain design features contributed to the plaintiff's mental distress. She had alleged that she became addicted to social media while underage. Jury completely finding in favor of the plaintiff. Now, as for damages, they set that at $3 million, with Meta responsible for paying 70% of that sum. Kelly.

[Planetary Society Host]

Wow.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

There are seven counts here. On all seven for Metta, they were found negligent, basically. And all seven for YouTube, they were found negligent.

[Adam Curry]

And you're saying of the $3 million,

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

they're assigning, what did you say, three quarters of that to Metta? Yeah, 70% will be paid out by Metta, but 3 million is coming in a lot lower than. Than some legal analysts had expected. And I've got the list of seven questions here. First one, was YouTube, was meta negligent in the design or operation of their platform? Definitive yes from the jury.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so because of the amounts. 3 million. 3 million, and then 3 million in punitive damages to one person, $6 million. I kind of brushed the story off. Whatever. Okay. But it was Rob, the constitutional lawyer, who's just been hounding me, says, you have no idea. Now, we have to understand that Rob, the constitutional lawyer, before he became Suits and Boots, he's now on the. He's now a personal injury lawyer, so good for him. Yes. So suitsandboots.com if you got hit by a truck or anything else, you think you got wronged. But before that, he worked for the tobacco guys, and he was the one that would go out or one of the many, many lawyers that would defend tobacco companies against a very similar accusation, that they knowingly made their product addictive or maybe even more addictive. And so we're going back and forth on Email said, no, no, Adam, you have to understand this is big. I said, well, isn't this going to get rolled up into some class action lawsuit and everybody gets $18 in the cracker Jack's box? And he says, no, no, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

What did he mention or cite the phrase that I guess YouTube said in one of the depositions called casino game, type something or the word casino done on purpose to get people addicted to. It's like a gambling mechanism. Well, there's a phrase, it's a gem.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I might have it in the show notes. I've seen that. Well, so the, you know, the, the real point of this, of all the different analyses, everyone kind of sucked. Npr, you know, NPR had, let me see one, one half decent piece of analysis. This is just one of the clips I grabbed from them.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Wait, what I want to understand is the young woman at the center of this case who goes by Kaylee, I understand she's now 20 years old. Right. And she says she started using Instagram when she was just 11 years old. Isn't that against met his terms of service?

[NPR Reporter]

Yeah. And this was a major part of the trial, which is how many young people below the stated, you know, minimum age are using the platform. And when Mark Zuckerberg got on the stand, it was read internal emails back to him that basically demonstrated that the company has been aggressively pursuing teens and preteens to get on Instagram and to keep them there. Even though, like you said, they have a policy of saying, you know, you've got to be at least 13 years old to use this app. So that was part of the argument the lawyers made as a way of demonstrating that these companies really were after young people, really wanted to keep them there. And now we have a really resounding historic verdict.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really, really, really.

[NPR Reporter]

2,000 other cases that have been consolidated over this question of social media addiction.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so you already said it for that very reason. I have to play the clip where they mentioned that specifically.

[NPR Reporter]

Yeah, the New Mexico case is related, but a little different. And it is about whether meta young people from child predators and sexually explicit content on its platforms. And they found that they did not. Right. So with that historic payout and verdict combined with this one today, I mean, this week has just seen two verdicts that have been in the works, Elsa, for years and years and years. It's really a day of reckoning for social media companies. And the plaintiff's lawyers have been outside the courtroom and saying today is sort of like the reckoning that the big tobacco industry had in the late 90s.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. So that's really what the suit is about, is, you know, they're talking about kids. And I'm sure Kash Patel and these other people will jump in. Yeah, we need digital id. That's all going to be. It's all going to be abused for that. But at the core, this is no secret to anybody who knows anything about technology or Silicon Valley and certainly social networks. Yes, of course. Everything is done to keep you engaged. Everything is done to keep you hooked. They have brain scientists employed at all of these companies to do one thing. How do we get that next dopamine hit to our user? They call them users so that our user will want to stay on the app so we see the person slowing down. They're not scrolling. Throw those likes we've been holding back at them. Oh, dopamine hit. It's absolutely engineered that way. And from what I understand, although no one.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the way I do it, but.

[Adam Curry]

Well, of course, but there's issues with that. Okay. And if you and I were back in the day, we were running a tobacco company, we'd be like, hey, let's jack up the addiction. This is good for business. Unfortunately, that's what you do. If you're trying to hide that, you know it's going to be a problem. Now here's the PBS stuff. Jury in that case awarded $6 million in compensatory and punitive damages in New Mexico. 375 million. How much does that really affect these big tech companies?

[PBS Analyst]

Well, it feels like a very small amount of money. Six million compared to, you know, meta worth a trillion dollars. Alphabet worth way more than that. But you got to think about all of the other cases that this sets the tone for. This is setting essentially a per plaintiff kind of price in this case. And so you have 350 family cases behind this. You know, multiply 6 million times that and you're well over a billion dollars. You get then the 250 school district cases that come after that. That's thousands of kids in each school district. And suddenly you're looking at very, very big numbers very fast. Also, I would point out just a few days ago, Meda's insurers sued and won to no longer have to insure them against the judgment in this case. And so that is another, you know, there's basically no cap suddenly on the amount they can be hit with. And I would also just point out here, John, you know, meta gets a lot of the headlines here, and they were determined by this jury in LA to be 70% of the responsibility. But the other 30% was handed to YouTube, which has never been held to this kind of standard before. And the fact that they are now grouped together with this other social media platform could change that platform forever. So this really has the capacity not just to hit these companies with, with enormous fines, but also to change the way they do business. And parents like the one we just heard there are no longer just shrugging and saying, geez, it just feels like something's wrong, but I can't name it. Now there is a name for it, a legal theory for it, and suddenly there's a way for lots and lots and lots of people to sue like they'd never been able to before.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, hey, my kid's acting like a moron on the beach during spring break. I wonder where that comes from. From. So, but this is something the legal people have been wanting to find a way because, look, and this is not Rob speaking, this is Adam speaking. I'm sure every single lawyer in the world is like, they look at these companies and go, how can I get some of their money? What can I do to take some of that money?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yep, that's what you do.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what you do. Exactly. First Amendment issues, we've been through that section 230, hey, we have no liability for what people say. But now, now there's something new and it's under the covers appeal. The Meta releases statements today, they said

[No Agenda Producer]

they, quote, respectfully disagreed with both verdicts

[Adam Curry]

and that they would appeal in New

[No Agenda Producer]

Mexico and were evaluating their legal options in California.

[Adam Curry]

What was the company's defense? What do they say to these allegations that their platforms are causing harm?

[PBS Analyst]

Well, they have always argued that the, you know, misbehavior is not their fault. Fault when it comes to what happens on the platform. And they have, you know, they tried in the, in the Los Angeles case to say that this plaintiff, this kid, had all of these difficulties. And she did. She had a whole host of problems in the home and a history of some mental health issues. But what really has now happened is we're seeing instead a jury say, oh, well, it's not that they caused that, it's that they, they managed to make a vulnerable kid worse. And that is a very different standard than what Meta has been arguing and YouTube have been arguing all of this time. And so, you know, the big thing here, John, right, is that they have been protected behind both the First Amendment and something called Section 230, which is a big blanket immunity for Social media companies makes them not liable for the crazy stuff that you and I might post there. That has been the core of the defense against the big legal wall built around them forever. Suddenly, these two cases which step around those issues and get into the question of design and behavior modification by design, suddenly we're in a very new landscape that I think these companies are going to have a very difficult time arguing against.

[Adam Curry]

So here's the legal analysis from Rob. And this is exactly what you're talking about. To find punitive damages, the jury had to find that Instagram and YouTube acted with malice, fraud or oppression. The plaintiff's lawyer is a guy from Houston named Mark Lanier. Lanier. Mark is a part time preacher and a fearsome trial lawyer. He cited internal documents to show that Instagram and YouTube knew about the addiction problem. And he's the one that cited the slot machine effect. And in closing argument said the case was as easy as abc. Addicting the brains of children. That's what you want. So that's what it is, the slot machine effect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, actually, the term, the term I was looking for was used by YouTube in an internal document that was brought forth to show that they knew that this was going on all along.

[Adam Curry]

Right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And it was. And it did have the term casino in it. It was something else. I know it is the slot machine effect, but I thought this other term which incorporates the word casino was more interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't have that.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

But I think I'll get it back. I think there's something here. And if, you know, would this succeed? Of course they're going to appeal and

[John C. Dvorak]

this has to succeed. Yes. Rob is right. This is exactly the same as the tobacco situation.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they knew what was going on. They knew about idiots.

[Adam Curry]

And you know, what's next? AI chatbots. They're going to be next. Same thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So now I still don't know if they can put a. Everyone's talk. Well, that's big numbers when you're talking a billion here, billion there. I don't know about that, but it's a good time to be a personal injury lawyer, that's for sure. Rob, he's in San Francisco today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, good for him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You want him to drop by?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. I mean, I'd like to meet the guy like in two months when I've recuperated.

[Adam Curry]

Is that all it takes? Two months?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's gonna. Well, it depends. It can take about eight months total. But Letterman, who had a quintuple bypass, he was on Stage five weeks afterwards. And so it can be faster. And apparently getting over this can be quite quick if you get lucky.

[Adam Curry]

Well, can we do anything to make it easier for you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I wish the donations went up to make me feel better. I come back to the show, the donations drop off a cliff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Thanks for coming back. Mimi was doing great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mimi was making the money.

[Adam Curry]

Mimi was raking it in. Man, what happened to you? So I was at Maverick's place yesterday getting my implants cleaned and he says, dude, dude. I'm like, what? I listened to the show. What John said, He says that's actionable. That you were able to hear them while you were being operated on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. He says, I got a note from another guy who's an md, also a lawyer. He says the same thing.

[Adam Curry]

It's actionable. They did not sedate. Well, they sedated you, but they didn't put you out. And the sec. And he immediately says, you got any red hair in your family? Do you have any red hair in your family? Any redheads?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, sorry.

[Adam Curry]

You got Scottish or Irish blood in you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Not that I know of, no.

[Adam Curry]

Well, then it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why?

[Adam Curry]

Well, because they're redheads and Scottish, which, you know, redhead, they often need more sedation. That's just genetics. But so the fact that you don't have that in your DNA makes it actionable. The thing you haven't done is you haven't told me how traumatized you are by this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it was the worst thing that I ever experienced. I guess that's somewhat traumatic.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, it has affected your podcast performance, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well. And you can hear my voice?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. I mean, it is terrible. I mean, you have flashbacks and you can't even really perform your job properly. Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I understand.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Woo.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll have to talk to someone.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, Rob. Rob is your guy. He's sitting there. Right there. Yeah. Well, anyway, Maverick was. Was shocked. He. He just. He couldn't believe it. He said, this is. This is an outrage that should not happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, it was unpleasant.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I understand. Just one more tech thing. Just because, you know, I don't know if you heard, but, you know, so OpenAI. They're getting ready to go public. They shut down Sora, which is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Which irked a lot of people.

[Adam Curry]

Well, of course. But it was a money sink. Everybody knew it. There's no way that they weren't making any money on it. It's just bleeding money. And I don't. I'm. I really think that'll Be the pivot. We talked about it last time. What's funny though is, you know, this open claw thing that everyone's all, all giddy about. Oh, open claw. Oh, I've got, I've been, I've been claw pilled. Oh, my computer's doing stuff for me. You know, the Chinese are, are out of control on this. They are, they're. People are lined up around the block to get computers that have this pre built because, because, you know, they call it raising a lobster. I've heard any of this. But the open claw mascot is a lobster. And so all these Chinese kids, they're like, oh, I'm going to raise a lobster. And I realized open claw is the new Tamagotchi. This is exactly the same mechanism. Like, oh, yeah, I get to train this thing and it does stuff for me and it talks to me. It's the new Tamagotchi, which, that's the mechanism and that's where, that's where the market. That's where your tam is, if you ask me. And not necessarily in these massive data centers. Anyway, interesting last thing on Anthropic because that's just kind of ongoing with the Department of War.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Lawyers from the Defense Department and the AI company Anthropic appeared in court in a high stakes battle over the influence of artificial intelligence in modern warfare. Anthropic is challenging the Pentagon's highly unusual decision to designate the company as a supply chain risk.

[Adam Curry]

The judge in this hearing went as

[Planetary Society Host]

far as to compare it to corporate murder.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

President Trump recently ordered government agencies to stop using Anthropic after the company refused to give the government unrestricted use of its AI products. Anthropic saying it does not want its products to be used for mass surveillance or lethal autonomous weapons. That's when Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth labeled the company a supply chain risk, a designation typically reserved for foreign entities.

[Adam Curry]

The DoD basically needs to prove that there's some kind of risk that Anthropic would try to sabotage the military. They attempted to make this argument during the hearing today by basically saying there's a concern that Anthropic might push a software update with a kill switch, basically making it so that the company can intervene if the Pentagon tried to do something it disagreed with.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

The judge seemed skeptical of the Pentagon's move, saying she's concerned the government is trying to cripple Anthropic for criticizing the administration. Anthropic's leaders have argued artificial intelligence requires safeguarding from both the government and itself.

[Adam Curry]

I fail to understand why companies are all jacked about this. Just imagine, oh, yeah, I'm using Anthropic. It runs my whole business. And then Anthropic decides, yeah, you know, we don't like you, or, you know, we're going to charge you extra or, oops, it stopped working. It's a little early, I think. Basic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And you know, that would happen.

[Adam Curry]

Of course it would. This is like Google has now open. Announced the Android automotive os. Yeah. So. And I think GM is already all in on this. I'm not sure. I think GM's in on it.

[No Agenda Theme Singer]

It.

[Adam Curry]

So now they're offering a complete operating system for automobiles. So the car makers can just focus on our engine, wheels, you know, seats, and we'll take care of the rest. So you can already see where this is going. Do you want your car colder than 72 degrees? That's a subscription. It's going to control all of that stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, all right.

[Adam Curry]

You're not interested. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. I mean, if you kind of drop dead there.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's easy for you to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it is. And so, you know, that LaGuardia plane crash, I didn't want to do any pieces about it, but Mimi actually dug something up because she's a big fan of Captain Steve the podcaster.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes, Captain Steve.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I have to say, I felt. Felt obligated.

[Adam Curry]

Captain Steve. Captain Steve is not always right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, nobody is. And I don't watch Captain Steve, but I do like him. And I have to say that it. I felt obligated to play this clip, which is the laguardia. There's two. I have two clips.

[Adam Curry]

Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

But one. Analyzing it. But the first one is this one. LaGuardia Heroes.

[Kuwait Ambassador]

The fact that the captain took the aircraft two seconds after touchdown and four seconds before impact, I think he saw the truck and he just probably slammed on the brakes. I'm sure they hit the brakes real hard. And the heroic part about all this, whether it was on purpose or not, was the fact that they kept that airplane straight as they impacted that truck. Had they. Had they veered one way or another, which they could have at that speed very easily, like, hit one brake more than the other or put in the rudder. And it would be natural human nature to kind of want to do that, you know, and try to avoid hitting the truck, the wing would have impacted the truck. It would have ruptured. There's lots of fuel in that wing, and you're going to get a fireball, and I think you're going to get more fatalities. So the fact that they went straight into that truck, I think was a heroic act on their. The last thing because they both sacrificed their lives.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm not sure. Okay. Maybe they were doing over 100 knots. I'm not sure they saw it until the last moment, but. Okay, give me for Captain Steve. They're here. Hey. They're dead. So I'm not going to speak bad of them. I'm sure they, when they realized what was going on, I'm sure they did whatever was best of.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure they weren't happy.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this was the rationale for the whole thing. The other clip.

[Kuwait Ambassador]

And that's what every reasonable human being asks. How in the world could there have not been a transponder in that, that fire truck? Fire truck number one, no transponder in it. So again, as Jennifer Hominy is explaining the. What happens is she's talking about a primary radar return because there was no transponder in that truck. Now there's a transponder in the airplane. And for this as the X system to work, everybody has to have a transponder installed. But here's the frustrating part about all this. There's so much, so many little factions at some of these airports, especially in the bigger cities. Up in Boston, there's Massport. Down in New York, there's the New York Port Authority. That's a separate entity, a separate pot of money, a separate chain of command from everybody else at the airport. And they run their own thing. And so that's who's in charge the fire trucks. And so for the ASDX system to work properly, everybody has to have a transponder installed, mass port or not. Massive passport. But New York Port Authority just basically said, now we're not going to spend the money on that. And so you've got this hugely expensive system in place that's meant to be a last line of defense. And it doesn't work because you didn't spend the money on the transponder. And now we see it, it come to fruition. Two lives are lost. Could have been a lot more. They need to spend the money and put the transponder in those trucks. The system won't alert the controller without the transponder.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, did you have a question? Because I certainly have commentary.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have nothing else to say.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so yes, many Europe, I think a lot of the ground vehicles have transponders. But there's something that maybe Captain Steve discussed it. But what happened prior to this is the reason a lot of things happened. Here. This fire truck was not just rolling around for no reason. There was, I believe, a united airlines who was on the taxiway, and they said, hey, we have a problem. We have some kind of gas or something in the cabin. The flight attendants are complaining. They're feeling nauseous. We need a gate asap. And this goes on for several minutes. And then the united airlines pilot on the taxiway declares an emergency. He says, says, I'm declaring an emergency. We need either we need stairs right now, which I think is what this fire truck was coming to assist with, or we need a gate immediately. But when you declare an emergency, and I hope that our air traffic controllers will give us their analysis, I find it interesting no one has emailed me about this yet. If you declare an emergency, whether you're in the air or on the ground or on the taxiway, that's when air traffic controls to say, we have an emergency. Everybody go around, let's see what's going on. This thing could have blown up. I mean, we didn't know what was going on. But when a pilot declares an emergency, all bets should be off. And so there was a lot of confusion. The fire truck was approved for crossing. And then the air traffic controller realizes what's happening. Didn't need a responder, a transponder to see it. He says, stop, stop, stop. And then he says, truck one, stop. And by then it was too late. But that never should have gotten there. You declare an emergency, I don't care what it is. And I found in general what I heard ground and everyone talking about, hey, this guy's declared an emergency. Yeah, yeah, we're trying to get him a gate. No, an emergency by a pilot is an emergency, and we didn't know what it was. So I think that's where the problem starts. And yet, high tech stuff is not going to solve everything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're probably right.

[Adam Curry]

It's not going to solve everything. So tell Mimi to stop believing captain Steve. What does he know?

[John C. Dvorak]

She loves captain Steve.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she loves asmongold and all these guys. Nick Shirley. She wants to marry Nick Shirley.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nick Shirley must have a lot of girls chasing him.

[Adam Curry]

Candace Owens is now going after Nick Shirley.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why?

[Adam Curry]

He's fake. He's fake. He's an op, obviously.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, please. Nick Shirley, an op.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I certainly think he. The administration helps him get these guys. Dave. Hey, here's Dave. Here's bob. He's your guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Nick, go look at these people, people. So it's just another way of uncovering corruption. It's good. It's a very good idea. It gets people all steamed and all worked up. Supreme Court. Supreme Court. This, this involves you and Mimi actually mailing ballots. You want to hear the report?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'll tell you, the whole west coast is mail in ballots.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there was a Supreme Court case about it.

[Mississippi Today Reporter]

The Supreme Court heard oral arguments yesterday in a case involving mail in ballot that could impact the upcoming midterm elections. It's a case that pits Republicans against each other in deep red Mississippi.

[Adam Curry]

The key question before the U.S. supreme Court is whether mail in ballots that arrive after election day clash with federal law.

[Mississippi Today Reporter]

Taylor Vance is a politics reporter for Mississippi Today. He told us about a Covid era statute that was passed by the state's Republican controlled legislature in 2020 that said

[Adam Curry]

that voters can mail in absentee ballots and that local election workers can process and count those ballots for up to five days after the election. Now, this does not give voters five extra days to vote because these ballots have to be postmarked on or before election day. This is just an extra cushion or a grace period for local election officials to process these ballots.

[Mississippi Today Reporter]

The Republican National Committee and state Republican and Libertarian parties all sued Mississippi over the rule. They argue that election day is meant to be a single day and that ballots are invalid if they are received after. If the justices rule in favor of striking down the law, it could spell big changes for Mississippi and at least 18 other states that allow late ballots. With the midterms fast approaching.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So nothing changes, I guess. Nothing changes.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not really about the mail in ballots. About when they come in.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's Apple News. Did that sound like AI to you? It sounds like AI to me. Oh, we need an AI or not AI jingle. Just like drunk or not drunk. Yeah, actually, here's a drunk or not sounds very.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now that I think about it, did sound a little AI.

[Adam Curry]

Here's a drunk or not drunk.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Negotiations to end the war in Iran are going great, according to you know who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everything is great.

[Adam Curry]

It's cool, we're friends.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

We tight. Even though Iran is saying we're not talking to anybody in your administration. Who are you talking to, sir? But he's excited about negotiating a deal with somebody. And his defense secretary explained his role

[Adam Curry]

in all of this as well.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Take a look.

[President Trump]

They're going to make a deal. They did something in that was amazing. Actually. They gave us a present and the president arrived today. It was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money. And I'm not going to tell you what that present is. But it was a very significant prize and they gave it to us and they said they were going to give it. So that meant one thing to me. Would deal with the right people.

[Adam Curry]

We see ourselves as part of this negotiation as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we negotiate with bombs.

[Adam Curry]

You have a choice.

[Arthur Brooks]

As we loiter over the top of

[Adam Curry]

Tehran, as the President talked about. About your future, the president has made

[Arthur Brooks]

it clear that you will not have a nuclear weapon.

[NBC Reporter]

The War Department agrees our job is to ensure that.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so we're keeping our hand on

[Adam Curry]

that throttle as long as it's hard. As is necessary.

[Reuters Reporter]

Here it comes.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Oh, excuse me. Keep our hand on that throttle as long as it's hard. Look at.

[President Trump]

Look at the.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Look at the shot of. What's his face. Trump. Trump.

[Adam Curry]

When he said that.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

We're keeping our hand on the throttle as long as it's hard. Are you going over there? Of course, Joy picked that part up. I mean, it just seems to me. And what's the gift besides herpes? Sorry. No, it just. It just not. I think. I think it. I think it's. Look,

[Adam Curry]

I think. I think Behar is sauced, man. What is she doing?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what's wrong with her.

[Ed O'Keefe]

A lot.

[No Agenda Producer]

A lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

How does that. It shows it a humiliation to abc.

[Adam Curry]

It must have ratings somewhere. It's got to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, it has ratings.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, there you go.

[NPR Reporter]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

So would Public Executions, which has always

[Adam Curry]

been my dream to produce.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is your dream job.

[Adam Curry]

And Brunetti. And Brunetti is all in on it with me. He's ready.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's what you're talking to him about.

[Adam Curry]

And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the energy crisis. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, in the morning, you, Mr. Adam Curry. In the morning, I'll see. Boost the graphite out there.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, and I'm trying to get a troll count here. Hold on. You can stop moving around. Oh, man. I mean, you come back, it's everything tanks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

1320. You know, it's terrible, you know, this. This hurt the show. I just want you to realize that. You know, it hurt the show. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't anything you did though, right? You didn't live unhealthy, is it just. I never even asked you that. Is it your fault?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, not really.

[Adam Curry]

What do you mean, not really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Not that I know of.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, did anyone say hey. I mean, I know you're not a smoker.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's just that I'm old.

[Adam Curry]

No, that is your fault. You're old. There should be a we need an age limit on podcasting thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we. Yeah, I. I'd say that that's coming after we. After we are out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, after we're out. Well, we're going to hang on to the lar. The very last moment. You know, the, The Wall Street Journal had a. Had a. A piece about the veteran podcasters hanging up their headphones. Did you read that?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Wall Street Journal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me know who or the podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Well, so podcasts can run forever, but some hosts are bowing out or changing direction as celebrities and YouTube dominate the industry. So they've got all these examples.

[John C. Dvorak]

So something's changed. No, as far As I know, 20 years ago, it's the same thing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Celebrities, comedians, YouTube.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. What happened? Here's what. I figured it out because there's a long article and all these. It's all these duos, like, oh, well, we're hanging. Oh, we're not gonna do it anymore. We've been doing for seven years. You wanna do something else? And they blame it on YouTube. But that's not the problem. All of these podcasts that they mention are all guest driven.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so what they're noticing is that when people have a choice to go on different podcasts. Yeah. They can only do so many. And so if you base your podcast on your guests, which can make for a very successful podcast, depending on your guest, you know, if you get your booker and your booker and you get the Kelsey Brothers or, you know, anything but the Kelsey Brothers. Like, I already did eight podcasts this month. I'm done. It's okay. And that's why they're hanging up their headphones. So we're just gonna keep on trucking, baby. No one, no one, no one can stop this train. This is where you agree with me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that was the thesis from the get go. We felt that guests were like the whole idea of using them was a hindrance. And we both had, both of us had a laundry list of reasons for that.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they don't show up. They're dull.

[Adam Curry]

Case in point. I've been on Rogan six times. There's got to be a deficit of guests.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've been on six times.

[Adam Curry]

Six times. Yeah. Well, what does that tell you?

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a deficit of guests.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, we've got over 1300 trolls checking into the live feed, the live stream right now. No agendastream.com and many of them are hanging out in the troll room and it's always good to have them here. Of course you should be listening on a modern podcast app because that is the way that you get notified when we go live. You can make your decision then, like, maybe I'll listen now. Maybe I'll wait for the podcast to come out and you don't have to wait for hours. Everyone else is like, oh yeah, the podcast dropped. No, because within 90 seconds with a modern podcast app, you'll know because it will be in there waiting for you. Modernpodcastapps.com value for value is how we've been running it. So we have never had to rely on advertisers. Advertisers are finicky, fickle. They like stuff, they don't like stuff. And there's a lot of meetings. We'd rather be working for you. You, the listener, the producer of this program, because you are producers with us, working with you to create an outstanding product, then taking meetings with advertisers who didn't like the read. And with John, you know, that would be a meeting a day, you know, could you put a little more enthusiasm into it? Dvorak, you know how it would go. We've all had the meetings.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's why I refuse to do such things. This is basically co opting.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it's completely co opting. So instead we opted for the value for value model. It's very simple. We give you the value in the show. It's twice a week, three, three and a half hours. Sometimes we even think that's too long. But we continue to deliver the value.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's supposed to be 245.

[Adam Curry]

All right, I'll stop at 245 today.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just saying.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, I mean, if, if the, if the value doesn't come back, then that's an easy choice for us. That's what makes it much easier. So, you know, we'll do 245 today and maybe we will. So you can support us with your time, your talent, your treasure. We always thank people who support us financially. That is a big job of any producer. Just ask Dana Brunetti, executive producers. Those are the people who really are supporting the show financially, the series, the movie, whatever. Then you should take pride in that. In fact, we give you credits to make sure that you can be proud of what you were doing to support the podcast podcast. But also people send us clips. They got Steve Jones, the clip collector. We got you the 3x3 today. That was beautiful. He said you asked nicely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry, what?

[Adam Curry]

He said that you had asked him nicely for some clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's good.

[Adam Curry]

I like that. Hey, man, you know, do you hear about my double bypass? You know, could you hook a brother up? Could you? I mean, you got to be using that more. You're not really doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, you're right.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know why. It's like, this is things like. There's so much stuff wrong with you I didn't know about. You never told me anything. You know, you got a twitchy left foot. You know, you had your cataracts done. Didn't know anything about it. You know, you don't tell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did I mention that my lung collapsed?

[Adam Curry]

I knew about that, but I didn't want to. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna violate the HIPAA regulations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, it's kind of interesting. It's not one doctor and, you know, they keep coming by the house and. And I was in the hospital for a couple of weeks and they're dropping by one after another. Not one doctor so far has told me or is yet to tell me that my lung collapsed.

[Adam Curry]

Really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But I knew it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I found out from Mimi.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yeah, they collapsed while they had.

[John C. Dvorak]

She wasn't even there.

[Adam Curry]

It collapsed while you were intubated?

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Another actionable item. I think they intubated you Wrong. This. This is the exit strategy of all exit strategies. And you're. You're just. You're. You're. You're slacking, man. This is. I mean, come on. Gotta sue these people. I mean, I know you're happy to be alive, but hospital protocol, procedure, something's got to be done. I won't stand for it. I'm going to call Rob. People also like to make art, and it's real fun to do with today's models, and you can do them quite easily. And, you know, until. Until OpenAI decides to shut that down. Well, we're not really making money off of these art generators. So, yeah, we're going to shut that down. All of it could happen, people. It can all go away once they get the enterprise all sucked in. So we got a piece and we got it from Dan OBGYN 4. There were a couple of different pieces that we looked at, but this was simple, to the point we both agreed it got the job done. It was the green blackboard, no agenda. Welcome back. JCD had in the morning on there, number 33. Funny enough, it had curry, but it didn't have Dvorak. Did you notice that?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. If you look at the piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm looking. I'm looking at the page now.

[Adam Curry]

All right, let me take a look.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. See, it has curry there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Interesting.

[Adam Curry]

It's funny, I didn't notice that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now we did.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, now we did.

[Jack Corelli]

See.

[Adam Curry]

Was there anything else that. That stuck out particular? There wasn't. There were a couple of welcome backs.

[John C. Dvorak]

All the pieces were pretty decent.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You like the losers bracket?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I did like that. I did like the losers bracket. You use that for the. Did Jay do the newsletter? Jay did the newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she's doing the newsletter as we speak.

[Adam Curry]

That. I mean, Tina said to me, John must really not be feeling that hot if he's letting Jay do the newsletter still.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she likes doing it. And. And you. And. Yeah, no, I. Yeah, she's right.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. How many times do I have to hand you the thing on a silver platter?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, man. It's like I can't do anything. A little more. You need to get some sympathy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to die. I want to make it sound like I can't do the show.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, your performance is. Is proving it. So just keep at it. You're doing well. We had nessworks with the welcome back jcd. That was it. The pieces were good. We need something edgy now for this show. Let me see. Anyone put anything edgy? No. No. Darren o'?

[No Agenda Producer]

Neill?

[Adam Curry]

More boobs? No, No. I would say there's still opportunity to get in for the. For the art for episode 1853. But in the meantime, after we thank Dan Obgyn number four, once again, let us take a look at our supporters. We thank everybody. $50. In our value for value model. You can send us anything that you feel is worth the amount of value that you got from the show. You go to noagendadonations.com it's that easy. And we start off with Karen Bauer from Boise, Idaho, and she sent in $350 with a note. And let me see, here's her note. Adam and John and Mimi. I'm going to try and keep this short. So CB our top executive producer, the way that works, $200 or above, you become an associate executive producer. An actual credit you can use anywhere credits are recognized, which is quite a few places, particularly IMDb.com and we read your note. $300 and above. Executive producer. And we read your note. Adam. I heard Joe Rogan say on his podcast that his daughter and others have terrible allergies in Texas. Naet acupuncture cured me 30 years ago and eliminated my sister's debilitating migraine. I don't have access to Joe, but you do let him know if you can. It might also help some of our producers. Oh, and then she says, I asked Grok and there are several practitioners in Austin. Tip of the day John, welcome back.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, the problem with the tip of the day, it can't be for people only in one city.

[Adam Curry]

No, it has to be a universal tip of the day every something everybody can use in the home. I agree. Welcome back, John. Mimi was great and I just bought too many eggs too manyeggs.com and finally I'm in Boise, Idaho where we have a terrific meetup. We went skiing together last month and they are jealous that I'm coming to the Fredericksburg meetup April 11. Yes, it's going to be quite the hootenanny. Everybody's coming. Which I took as a sign because it's my birthday on April 11th. Can't wait. So see you then. At which time I will bring another check to attain my Dame Horse hood. Not four, but many more years, says Karen Bower. Thank you Karen

[John C. Dvorak]

J. Doy or dy.

[Adam Curry]

I think Doherty, I guess Doherty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah. In Lafayette, New Jersey. 34567 classic. I'm a 15 year old no agenda listener and I've donated in the past.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Though not at this level. John's recent medical issues really upset me more than I thought it would. Glad you're back on the mend, John. Well, thank you for for your thoughts.

[Adam Curry]

So I think jay is a 15, not 15 years old, but a 15 year no agenda listener which is a long time. Yeah, no, I, I had to reread it myself. Yes, makes sense. Thank you Jay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can see where I made that mistake. It's just I've been debilitated.

[Adam Curry]

John white is in St. Peter's Missouri. 33388. That's a welcome back. Give John a Reason to Live donation amount and he simply said See email to Adam for comment. I had to go look for it. Luckily his name was John White in the email. Please people send your donation notes to no agenda to notesoagendashow.net, because this one almost got lost in the shuffle. I did find it. He says my donation today is in memory of my 17 year old Shih Tzu Gizmo who I had to put to sleep yesterday on Sunday. Aww. Gizmo was my best little buddy who always slept in my office while I worked. He Greeted me with an in the morning every day when I took him out to poo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I have to say that hearing John back on the podcast was the bright spot in my day. Hey, must have been all the Mac and cheese I recommended to you. Since John is back, I would like to petition the Peerage Council to apply today's donation, plus as much of the excess value I've given since becoming Duke, towards the posthumous knighthood of Gizmo, if allowable. Well, I gotta ask you, John, I

[John C. Dvorak]

had a policy about this. What is the policy but making dogs into knights?

[Adam Curry]

What is the policy?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't remember what our resolution was, so I think we should just go ahead with it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Sir Gizmo. Sir Gizmo, the one eyed. All right, hold on. Because I thought the. We had a policy we wouldn't do it, but I'm okay. I don't want to. The guy's missing his dog.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so what is it again here?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not like the dog's going to be, you know, upset in the meetings.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. All right. Well, now, that's. That's nice. Look at the. Look at the peerage committee did for you in the morning. Duke, sir. Dr. Sharkey, Second General of FEMA Regions 4 and 7, and Lord of the Tennessee Valley and the Southern Appalachian, St. Peter's Missouri. I think we did a good thing. This is a longtime producer supporter, Duke, and a Secretary General. Your dog is in, brother. And we're sorry to hear that.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

That

[John C. Dvorak]

Dame Janet of TP Wyoming, where they make all the toilet paper. 333.33. And she has a handwritten note, which is a nice signature or a nice signage. This donation is for the two retroactive birthdays. Sir William of the mountain bike, March 1st and Dame Janet of the TP Wyoming, March 15th.

[Adam Curry]

I think that may be March 7th. Actually, looking at the thing, it might be March. I think it's March 7th.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Oh, maybe that's a line through it looks like.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Make it the seventh or one.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think you might be right. Also for Sir Bill's recovery from cancer and to welcome John back. Loved having Mimi perspective while John was gone. I wish I could add another eight. What was this? B. Another.

[Adam Curry]

Another. Another three.

[John C. Dvorak]

Three. Another three to the check.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. But I love my truck. And Reverend Al Hart.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I didn't know we had a rev out. Do you have the. Do you have your. Love my truck?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I do not have. I love my truck. And I know what I. Oh, well,

[Adam Curry]

that's a. I didn't lo. With every.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, sorry.

[Jack Corelli]

I owe.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love my truck. And I owe you the Arizona Democratic Party party.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. There's your revel. Thank you, Dame Janet. Sir. What do we have here? Sir? Nomad Sarcastic. The Nomad Wyo. Missing While missing Pennsylvania.

[No Agenda Theme Singer]

You.

[Adam Curry]

Welcome back to the show, John. Health, karma and prayers for all. Getting up Get Monation Sarcastic. The Nomad. Well, we've combined those for you.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

You've got prayers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

Once you get the next one.

[Adam Curry]

Eli the coffee guy checks in with $203.26. He's always doing the date in his 200, plus the month and the day. Bensonville, Illinois said we had something fun and exciting to tell you about. Gigawatt and Little John's Candies have done a collaboration or as the kids say, a collab. Check it out. Chocolate bars using our coffee. We have a set of three using our Honduran organic dark roasts, including milk chocolate, dark chocolate, and my favorite, dark chocolate with cherries. Thanks to no agenda for bringing producers together to do awesome things. After all, connection is protection. Check it all out today. Limited quantities available. Visit gigawatt coffeeroasters.com use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. That is cool. They all met at the. I think at the meetup. Maybe at the Illinois meetup. And they have a collaboration of two companies. I love this. This is very cool. Stay Cash in a bitch.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't have coffee for the next six months.

[Adam Curry]

Six months? Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

least.

[Adam Curry]

Can you have chocolate?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Well, chocolate is different.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. With. With. With coffee?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, you can't.

[Adam Curry]

You can't have. No, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not out to cheat myself.

[Adam Curry]

What can you have? I just. Was it one thing? Nothing. Eli says, regardless, stay cock. Stay caffeinated. Eli, the coffee guy. Thank you very much.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then we move on to Provencal, Louisiana and Loretta Vandenberg, switcheroo for Everett Bop. He helps people when they need it most in natural disasters. He's a disaster management guy. JCD needs some help now, so let ever get the credit. Hi, Everett. Prayers for John for his recovery. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

That is Efert Bopp. He is Disaster Recovery Inc. If you recall.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vaguely.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. He's the guy who came to Texas when we were in dire need of help during the flood.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, right, right. He's that guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's that guy. And he's been back a couple times since then. Had coffee with him the other day. He's super nice guy. So that's very nice to give him that switcheroo. And then we have still a couple more associate executive producers at 200 level. Linda Lupatkin is here. She wants jobs, karma. She says your Resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets Results, go to ImageMakersInc.com Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership, results, results and impact. That's Image Makers, Inc. With a K. And Linda Liu, duchess of jobs, writer of winning resumes.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rick Zoller in Brighton, Michigan. 200 bucks. And in a handwritten note on paper. John, so glad you'll be coming back to the show. What a difficult time. This is like so faded. This bad copy. What a difficult time it must have been. I'm now sure that I've reached knighthood with this donation. Is he on the list? Yes. And would like to be called Sir Rick the Hammer. How about a little screaming God. Goat God. Screaming goat.

[Adam Curry]

Screaming God. Karma. No, we don't have that. We do have.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't have that one.

[Adam Curry]

We do have some screaming. Yes, we do.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

Let's see then we have Dame Early Turtle. I don't have a note from Dame Early Turtle, but I think she becomes a dame today, actually. $200 and. Yeah, that's it. Those are our executive and associate executive producers. We do have a couple more people who came in who will be knighted today. And so we'll do Those in our second thank you segment, 50 DOL and above. And as always, we thank these executive and associate executive producers for supporting us at these fantastic levels. And you should consider doing that as well if you can. Value for value, whatever you get out of the show, if it's different, if it's something that you didn't know, you learned something. Maybe there was a stock tip in there for you or maybe just want to seem smart around the water cooler. Go Support [e-mail] Any amount is always welcome. That is no agenda. Don't donations.com. our formula is this.

[Kuwait Ambassador]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up, slave.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up, slave.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, baby. You got anything that you want to. To do?

[John C. Dvorak]

I only have one clip that I thought would be worth playing. Playing.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because it's funny. And this is the. This is a report. You know, people always talk about a man from Florida. And then there's a crackpot story. You know, the Pacific Northwest has more than its share of screwball stories. Yes, and this is this. This. The clip is called 98.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[No Agenda Producer]

When you buy a truck, you've got options, right? Leather seats, upgraded stereo, media, sunroof. But Thurston County Sheriff Derek Sanders, just of vehicle modification, I guarantee you will never see at a dealership a custom bong built directly into the dashboard of a pickup truck designed so the driver could comfortably smoke drugs while cruising down the interstate. That's who Sheriff Sanders and his deputies were chasing over the weekend. The driver and the passenger had just run a retail theft spree across Lewis county using stolen bags from one store to steal from the next. Next deputies spotted their truck on i5. And even before the lights came on, the truck bolted. Two different pursuits, both were terminated because the driving was so reckless it was dangerous to keep chasing them. He was blowing through intersections at high speed through downtown Olympia and into Lacey. We're handing the wheel to a guy who's apparently high on meth and fentanyl and has no intention of stopping. They eventually found the truck abandoned. A canine track led deputies to both suspects walking through a nearby neighborhood. Inside the truck, thousands of dollars in stolen merchandise. Meth, heroin, fentanyl, and the bong. The driver, get this is a four time convicted felon, 27 misdemeanor convictions. And as of this week, 98 prior arrests. 98. 98.

[Adam Curry]

And where was this?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is outside of Olympia, Washington. This is because the courts in Washington are so ultra liberal, they just let everybody go. But the idea of having a built in bong, it's unbelievable.

[Adam Curry]

Here in Texas, we have built in things you got to blow into. But that's just if you want your car for a start. I think sir, Brian with one eye, he got one of those. Yes. In order to start his car, he has to blow into the tube three times.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, it's his own fault. You know, Rob was on his way to San Francisco today and he flew out of Austin. And I said, oh, how was it? He says, 21 minutes in line line. 21 minutes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Some of the airports are set up somewhat differently. San Francisco is still using contractors like they used to do before 9 11.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but Austin is typically the worst.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, who knows why?

[Adam Curry]

Well, here's the CBS report on the worst weights in history at Houston's George

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Bush Airport security line. Snake three stories under ground, even outside. Created by a severe TSA staffing shortage.

[Adam Curry]

We've been waiting here since like two hours and we lost our flight already on Capitol Hill.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Today, the acting head of TSA issued this warning. And the longer the shutdown goes on and more missed paychecks, we are really putting ourselves and our workforce in a perilous situation. Over the past six months, TSA has gone without funding for 85 days and counting. That means TSA officers have gone without an on time paycheck almost every other day. More than 480 officers have quit during the latest DHS Shutdown. Yesterday, over 3,100 called out nationwide, pushing the call out rate above 11%. In Houston, the numbers were even higher, nearly 40% calling out. Out at George Bush Airport, where TSA is operating only about a third of its lanes leading to lines like this one.

[President Trump]

Holding the public and the nation's security hostage is totally unacceptable.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

You're not angry with TSA workers who aren't showing up?

[President Trump]

No, I sympathize with the fact they've got to feed their families and take care of business.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

On Wednesday, Senate Democrats issued a new counter proposal on a deal to end the 40 day impasse.

[Adam Curry]

Just have a vote.

[John C. Dvorak]

Republicans should let us vote and go

[No Agenda Producer]

along with paying tsa.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

But Republicans immediately poured cold water on the offer.

[Adam Curry]

I don't believe in holding TSA hostage because the Democrats hate ice. I think that's wrong. We should open up TSA right now, but nor am I willing to cut ice. You know what all this says to me when I kind of look at it objectively? Does everyone now realize that this is all security theater and it's a big joke?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's that element. The other thing is this orchestrated obviously by Schumer because he's going to get more Democrats in awe. Somehow he knows this. And there's a kicker which I do have a clip of, which is TSA in the World Cup. This kicker is, is kind of the. He does not want Trump to be able to spike the ball during the World Cup. So let's make life miserable for everybody coming to the USA to watch soccer.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

At this point, newly hired officers will not be able to work on the checkpoint until well after the 2026 FIFA World Cup. This is a dire situation. We are facing a potential perfect storm of severe staffing shortages and an influx of millions of passengers at our airport airports for the World cup games in less than 80 days.

[Adam Curry]

So what, you won't be able to

[John C. Dvorak]

train them in time if. Unless they have to put a stop to this tomorrow.

[Adam Curry]

Is the tsa, Is that by congressional mandate? Is there a law that we have to have TSA at every airport?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Let me ask the robot for a second. How about this? This, since it's all political anyway and I don't feel good for the TSA agents. I mean, it obviously sucks when you're not getting paid, but why don't we just say no tsa, Just everybody go in. Do you think people will be afraid all of a sudden and, oh, no, I can't. I need to be checked by tsa.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think the insurance companies would allow it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there's that. Transportation Security Administration is congressionally mandated agency. It was created by the Aviation Transportation Security act, which was passed in November 19, 2001. Before this mandate, airport security was primarily the responsibility of the airlines themselves. I didn't know that. Maybe it's just time to turn this back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Seriously.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Give it back to the airlines.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, the TSA people, they feel horrible because so many people hate them, and clearly the government hates them. They don't care. They're the political football and just whatever. Go back and we could leave our shoes on, you know. Oh, sorry. I took my gun on the plane. It's okay. You know, I don't think it would be that horrible. You know, it's not a hassle. Like, I'm sorry I took my gun. Oh, well, it's in my bag. Don't worry about it. About it. I mean, the cockpit doors are bolted shut, so you can't go in anymore. You think we're going to have a hope that hijackings will increase suddenly? I'm asking a serious question. I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you never know. Every time we had a lot of them, they were always some sort of faddish thing.

[Adam Curry]

Remember Cuba? Yeah, it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hijacked the plane to Cuba.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's right. Right. It was always Cuba for some reason. All right, so no airport security and no Cubans, and it will be good. You Cuban? I'm sorry, I can't let you on the plane. It'll be fantastic. So, no, no real id. All of this is security theater, all of its bull crap. If your government really cared about your security, they wouldn't be doing this. They don't care. They don't care. And they don't care about you TSA people. Everyone should just leave. I'm not going to do it anymore. Open up the airports. Open up the airports. It was. I remember this in the, in the 80s, early 90s. You walk down, hey, you're coming in from San Francisco, John, I'll meet you at the gate. Remember?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. What happened to that?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I get a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Balloons, like, hey, yeah, you're at the gate.

[Adam Curry]

I'm at the gate, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

You come out of the plane and. Right there.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was fun. You know, you. You go through. Okay. We had metal detectors. You throw your keys in the little thing. They wand you, bring back wanding. Okay, you're good. We have semtech or something? No, just forget about it. This is going to be my new thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

I think we should just open up the airports again. Think about the productivity. Think about how much more productive we will be. I think you can have at least 20% more airplanes flying, cheaper prices. It'd be great.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, do it the way it was done before 2001. Where the airlines are the responsible party.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. Maybe Mark Dwayne Mullen will change some of these things. As our new head of Department of

[Mississippi Today Reporter]

Homeland Security, its official Mark Wayne Mullen will become Trump's next Department of Homeland Security secretary, putting the Oklahoma senator in charge of one of the most powerful agencies in government. But he takes over a department in trouble. It's in the midst of a shutdown, which is keeping TSA staff home and bringing chaos to airports. And it's unknown how close he will stick to the immigration enforcement policies of his predecessor, Kristi Noem. The final confirmation vote was 54 to 45. Two Democrats voted for him, but Republican Rand Paul did not, accusing his Senate colleague of anger issues.

[Adam Curry]

Anger issues? What is that? Yeah, Rand Paul says, I can't confirm the guy because he has anger issues. What? I've never heard that before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Am I coming in on one channel or two?

[Adam Curry]

You're coming in on two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Why do you feel.

[John C. Dvorak]

How could my icon change?

[Adam Curry]

Your icon? What do you mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

On the clean feed?

[Ed O'Keefe]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You have two. Two balls.

[John C. Dvorak]

It looks like a butt.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you got a butt. That's because I put you on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why does it have the phone?

[Adam Curry]

Well, let me see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it making the inference that I'm talking out of my ass?

[Adam Curry]

How was that? Did it just change to a phone? Did it change?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it just changed.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I changed it and there was no difference. All right. You don't like the butt, they change

[John C. Dvorak]

it to a microphone.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you don't want the butt. I won't give you the butt. I can change. What would you like? I can change into a hot second sexy girl. Whatever you want. Whatever icon you want, I can give it to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Squirrel.

[Adam Curry]

No, I can't do that. Yes. No squirrel. I got no squirrel. Got no squirrel for you. I think about. I This, I just think this is a good idea. And if the airlines are responsible, then let's make sure we have some good looking people who wand you at United. You know, hey, I want to fly United because, you know, they got good looking people who wand me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

And everyone will be very marketing. Everybody will be polite because, you know, hey, you know, everyone could have a gun. So, you know, be nice to each other. I think, I think this is. There's something here. We need to get rid of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think this is your thing.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, we need to get rid of this nonsense. We really do. It's clearly bullcrap. No one cares about it. It just drags everybody down. It's bringing us towards digital ideas and it should be completely unnecessary. Just my opinion.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm, I'll, I'll go along with it. I'm in.

[Adam Curry]

You're gonna vouch. You're gonna be with me. You're gonna vouch?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm vouching.

[Adam Curry]

All right. We're going back to the moon and it's gonna cost a lot of money. $20 billion. NASA's planning for something I think has already been there for many years, even though we have never land on the moon. It's the moon base.

[Planetary Society Host]

We've all wondered how long it would take for us to set up shop on the moon and what exactly that would look like. Jared Isaacman and NASA officially announced their timeline and plan for our own base on the moon. The $20 billion project will replace the plan to deploy a space station in

[Adam Curry]

lunar orbit, which, that's eight years of money to Israel we're going to spend

[Planetary Society Host]

on a moon base known as Lunar Gateway. However, NASA still plans to use the Lunar Gateway station, a lot of which was already built with the help of contractors. But repurposing may not be simple. So why the rush now for the space. Why the change of plans? Let's get some answers with the Director of Government Relations at the Planetary Society, Jack Corelli, to talk more about this announcement. Did I get that right, Jack?

[Jack Corelli]

Yes, you do. It's great to be here.

[Planetary Society Host]

So let's talk a little bit more about your reaction to this proposal. Like, how realistic is this? Because it sounds pretty ambitious.

[Jack Corelli]

It is incredibly ambitious. And I will say I'm really excited. I was there at Ignition Day earlier this week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ignition Day.

[Jack Corelli]

Really exciting time to be a part of the space program and watching what NASA's doing under the leadership of Jared Isaacman. And obviously there's a lot that still needs to be figured out. We haven't been back to the moon in 50 years. But now with a clear, cohesive, action oriented plan for returning humans and this time to stay. It is certainly ambitious, I will say that, but it is also a very exciting time to be part of the space industry.

[Adam Curry]

This. So the Artemis is set to take off on. Wait for it, April 1st. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is there an over and under? Is this something I can do on the prop BET site?

[Adam Curry]

I think we should, I think there's a COW sheath. There's gotta be a kalsheet thing for this. Yeah, I mean we're not gonna go to the moon. I don't see it happening at all. They're just pushing the goalpost. Oh, we gotta delay because you know, we do a moon base.

[Planetary Society Host]

Let's talk about the literal nuts and bolts of this. Because the lunar gateway station largely already built in orbit. But the game plan now is to do something that's permanently stationed on the moon's surface. So first off, where's all the money for that going to come from? Because that sounds expensive to me. And then secondly, how possible is that and how much more technically difficult is that?

[Jack Corelli]

Yeah, I mean it's, it's just to address the money question up front. It's the folks behind me.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[Jack Corelli]

That write the appropriations laws in this country. And so it's going to require, require Administrator Isaacman and the folks at NASA to sell this to the appropriations committee on the Hill and sell them on the idea of advancing the Artemis program in this direction. And you mentioned the lunar gateway program, which had been a large part of the Artemis architecture, has a lot of the international collaboration components of the program. It's going to require working with those allies as well to make sure that there's buy in to provide these, the necessary assets on the lunar surface to keep our astronauts alive and doing science from the moon this time.

[Planetary Society Host]

Yeah, we, we definitely want to keep them alive. We got a minute here. China is also trying to make progress for a moon base by 2030. I mean, are we just trying to keep pace here or are we trying to win this moon base race here? Who's going to be the first to put the flag on the moon?

[Jack Corelli]

Well, the US did put the flag first on the moon in 1969. So it certainly is, is a much broader field. But the, the universe is certainly much larger than just the moon. Right. This is a multi front competition with a great power competitor. And so the Competition for the 21st century is happening in the areas of scientific discovery that both the Chinese and the United States are actively pursuing, and the moon base is a critical component of that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm feeling a push coming. Well, the moon base nuts and bolts aren't ready yet. And

[John C. Dvorak]

the other one you want to try to catch up on, I'm seeing it sneak into the news.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

The new fusion rocket engine.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, fusion rocket engine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's the only one.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're going to get the Mars and back.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't get the Mars and back.

[Adam Curry]

No, we can't get anywhere. We can't.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's that.

[Adam Curry]

We can't get past the Van Allen belts. I keep telling people what's going happen to happen. Hey, I'm gonna. I'm gonna give you a breather, man. Let's. Let's wrap this thing up with our next donation segment. I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. I think it's amazing that just two weeks. So was it not even two weeks after your chest was cracked open? Cracked open. Do they do that with a saw or they just. They just hammer it with a chisel?

[John C. Dvorak]

Depends.

[Adam Curry]

Do you remember you were awake? Do you remember?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't remember how they did it. And you can't feel anything?

[Adam Curry]

No, but. But do you know, they tell you. Did they tell you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Did they. You take a look, you got a big. You got a big scar running straight up and down. So. So there's. There's like these support groups where people have had this surgery. All these open heart guys.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's one of. I'm sitting in the hospital, laying there watching tv. I'm starting to appreciate Ms. Now. It's really bad. It's so bad. All right, Michael Steele is so bad. I'm gonna start. You're gonna get. Get a lot of clips. I'm just warning you in advance. So guy comes wandering in. It's always, you know, you're just bugged. You can't sleep.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because you. They won't give you a moment's right.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Rest.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guy comes in. Hi, I'm so and so from the, you know, open heart surgery support group.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I can see you rolling your eyes.

[John C. Dvorak]

This guy comes in, he says, I know what you're going through. He said, we, you know, we have a group here in Contra Costa county or someplace or Alameda County. I don't know where they are. He dropped off a couple of brochures and

[Adam Curry]

come to our.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so, yeah, it turns out you have this operation and there's all these other guys who had the operation, and they like to talk about it. And so, interesting enough, I thought it was kind of amusing. And then he says, you're not supposed to show your scar. It's like a rule of a club.

[Adam Curry]

Really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But you get everyone the scars like this big, you know, perpendicular scar right down the middle of your chest. It's terrible. Yeah, yeah. That's where they cut. Where they chopped you in half, basically.

[Adam Curry]

Did you go to a meeting? Did you go to group?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm still recovering. I have to at least be able to move around more.

[Adam Curry]

And do you have to stand up and say, hi, I'm John, and my

[John C. Dvorak]

chest is zippered and my chest has got a zipper.

[Adam Curry]

I think you should try it. It might be good for you. Go to group.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Because I'm such a joiner.

[Adam Curry]

If you listen, if you feel you want to talk about it and you don't feel good or whatever, you can do it here on the show. We're happy to listen to you. Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's got to be a couple of of our producers who've had this done.

[Adam Curry]

We need a zipper donation is what we need. We need a zipper donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's an idea.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we do have. Okay, I'm going to tease something thing. Nobody's listening at this point, but so I'll tease it anyway for the purposes of celebrating my life, basically, or being alive, let's put it that way.

[Adam Curry]

I like. It's a celebration of life.

[John C. Dvorak]

A celebration of life is going to be the order of the heart as the red knight.

[Adam Curry]

Ooh, A special night hood.

[John C. Dvorak]

A red knight.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. And do you get a special premium lapel pin?

[John C. Dvorak]

We're designing it as we speak. I'm gonna have to get a hold of Paul.

[Adam Curry]

Red knight. Okay. And. And lapel pin will be what? Not something goofy like a heart?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it's gonna. Well, it's probably have a heart on it or be red, but something that competes with that Canadian thing, which is always irked me.

[Adam Curry]

Canadian thing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, if you're a kid. Order of Canada. It's this little diamond little thing you put on your lapel and people can see you a mile away. It's one of those identifiers, huh?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. I think that's a good idea, actually. I like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It was Jay's idea.

[Adam Curry]

Red knight. Yeah. That's good. Jay, of course. She's so morbid. Jay's like, how can I profit off a dad? This is good. Let's do some of that I love, love it. Good idea. We could use the support. Have the bills come in yet?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that would be kind of amusing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, you got to share on the show because we can't wait to find out what this little.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's going to be ridiculous.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm sure it will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even though I supposed to be 100% covered.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, please. It's America, baby. What are you talking about? All right, let's thank our producers. $50 and above. We appreciate everybody sending it into no agenda donations.com Hakon Andrew Anderson is in Portland, Oregon. 105 35. And it's a birthday donation for his niece tilda, who turned three on March 24th. How nice. Sarah Martin, Lanark Highlands. $100. That's in Ontario. Mimi did a fantastic job. Thank you all. Much love from Sarah. Katie Kompa is in Geelong. That's in Victoria, Australia. $100. Hi, John. Adam. I donated to the show today, but I'm unsure if it's possible to have the below read out. Yeah, I'm going to do it. Says let me know if a higher donation is required. Yes, it's required. Send more money. In the meantime, here's your note. Please give a shout out to Daniel Compa from Melbourne, Australia. He's been listening since the beginning. Our kids call you Uncle John and Uncle Adam because you are always on in the car. It's his birthday on 27th of March, so if you could please wish him a happy birthday. Happy birthday. You're on the list. Thank you from Candace and Tucker. Oh, thank you from his Candace and Tucker loving wife. Oh, all right. All right, brother. I don't know if he's coming home tonight. Tom is in Wrightwood, California. 8888. That's to give John a reason to live donation. He wants a de douching.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

You've been de douched.

[Adam Curry]

He says he was holding out until John actually returned. Really? It took John having a double bypass to donate to the show. Okay. William Nastulis in Greenvale. A lot of Victorians today. 88. 88. To JCD's health. We got here because he was the best thing on Twitter. Please deduce.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's another one you've been de douched about that.

[Adam Curry]

Mike Rogan, Evansville, Indiana. Get well, John. We love you. Michael Cox, Reston, Virginia. Spook. 88. 88. Gregory Hampton, Virginia Beach, Virginia. A boob donation 8008. John loves the eight, so he must love boobs. And he wanted to share a free resource that he built. That may be helpful. It's the top 200 drug study system. Find that GitHub.com grandpa Greg with one G. And there's Kevin McLaughlin, Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs with a boob donation 8008 he says God bless America and boobs. John Alberini, $70.26 surprise night of astonishment from Yukon, Oklahoma. 54. Nathan Gwynn, Jackson, Tennessee. 5272. Scott Kowalski, Lynchburg, Virginia. 5222. And we hit the 50s already. George Wushett, Lavernia, Texas. 50. Brad McDonald, Mason, Ohio. Benjamin Ryan, Alliance, Ohio. And Aaron Weiss gerber in Bend, Oregon. Sir Richard Gardner, 50. Michael Myers from Diamond Head, Mississippi. Leanne Shipley, Covington, Washington, Jan. Oh, that's it. That's it. That's our wow. Short list. I guess they're only marginally happy you're back, John. I can't help it. It's what it is. I'm happy you're back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kind of pathetic.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, a little bit. But, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, at least they gave earlier.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they did. They did. So thank you all very much. And of course, our executive and associate executive producers from earlier. You can all take possession of those executive and associate executive executive producer credits immediately. Everybody else, make sure you go tonoagenA donations.com. you can also put in a recurring donation if you feel like it. Any amount, any frequency. We accept it all. Any amount is appreciated. After all is value for value. We don't know what's valuable to you. Only you know that, and it's up to you. Noagendadonations.com. And Stuart William with the mountain bike celebrated on March 1st. Dame Janet of TP Wyoming on the 15th of March. Hakon Anderson, happy birthday to his niece Tilda. She turned three on March 24th. Katie Kompa, happy birthday to Daniel, March 27th, which is in two days from now. And Karen Bauer will be celebrating on April 11th. Will be doing that in person, apparently, at the no Agenda meetup in Fredericksburg, Texas. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. We do not have any title changes, but we do have a layaway. Knight Cameron, Linda Mood, and he says, my most beloved Punch and John. Okay. Well, boys, we've come a long way. I was hit in the mouth by the late Conspiracy Scope sometime in the early 2010s. It's been a long time. Brother Adam was living in Dutch exile at the time. John I still come across Red Fox albums I've never seen before and think of you. My original goal for knighthood was episode 666. Better late than never. He says what I learned from y' all about how the media works and how to see propaganda is truly invaluable and should be required for everyone. Oh, maybe Melania's robot can teach it. I honestly cannot thank you both enough. Week in, week out, you've kept me grounded and sane. I mean it when I say I love you. My father, J.R. lindamood Lindemood, passed away on November 2, 2025. And in his honor, I would like to be known as Sir C.K. lindamood, son of J. JR of Texas, aka Sir Lindamood. I would like peas and non kosher love nuts for the fellow knights. I have. Do you. Are you familiar with love nuts? This doesn't sound very.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no. Well, I am, but not in this regard.

[Adam Curry]

Not for eating. That's right. Not for munching jingles. I've been sitting on them for a long time. Chemtrails. Rev Manning. We got to talk about that. A.J. it's real. And if you be so, so kind, throw in a karma, be happy.

[No Agenda Theme Singer]

Talk about that.

[Adam Curry]

It's real. It's real. It's real.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so we have three nights to bring up on stage today. John, can you lift the blade by now? Are you okay?

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you still using? I can as long as it's not over five pounds.

[Adam Curry]

That's a teeny weeny blade. We'll have to have to make do with it. Okay. Cameron, Caitlin, the Moon, step on up. Rick Zahler and Sir. Oh, well, the dog. The dog is here in spirit. All three of you have supported the no Agenda show in the amount of $1,000 or more. I'm therefore very proud to pronounce the KB as Sir C.K. linda Mood, son of JR of Texas, sir Rick of the Hammer and Sir Gizmo the One Eyed for you. We've got hookers and Blow Rent boys and Chardonnay peas and non co kosher love nuts. And a nice virtual bone for our doggy here. Along with that, as always, we got gerbils and ginger ale. We got beers and blunts, and of course we got some mutton and meat. It's always here for you. Go to noagendarings.com we can't size it for the dog, I'm afraid, but I'm sure you'll work out a size. There's a ring sizing guide on the website and tell us where to send it. It always comes accompanied with a certificate of authenticity and Sticks of wax that you can use. To me, these are cygnet rings. Go check them out for yourself. That is noagendarings.com and thank you all for becoming knights of the no Agenda roundtable. I think we're ready for the meetups. Yeah, we actually have two meetup reports. The first one is from Okinaha in Japan. This is the one we were waiting for. You know, a meetup is still a meetup even if it's just you. Hi, sir, It's Sir Hank with a meetup report from raha. It was probable but there was no other person here. The next meetup I will be hosting is in Fukuoka and hopefully there will be a bigger turnout. Thank you for your attention to this matter. I love it, man. I'm sorry no one else showed up. Maybe the next one. There's definitely people in Japan who want to meet up. We know that for sure. And Vancouver had their meetup. Here's their remote meetup report. Hey, this is ID Pop and of show mixer with the meetup report for Vancouver, B.C. scandinavia.

[President Trump]

It was a good crew.

[Adam Curry]

I got to meet a viscount and hit some people in the mouth. We met some great people from higher side chats as well. The last meetup I went to, the host didn't show up. So I started my own. Now I feel connected and protected. We do. It's like a par. Great to see you back in the saddle there, John. Good to have you back. We're having a great meetup here in Vancouver. Had a bunch of people here. Most of them are gone now, but fantastic time in the morning. Hey, just finished the Vancouver meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great time, great people. We'll be back again in the morning.

[NTD Reporter Iris Tao]

Hi guys. Place is very interesting and they were so nice and I hope they had fun. And this is a hive from Alibi Room in Vancouver.

[Adam Curry]

End of show mixers doing meetup reports. Gotta love it. We do have a couple of meetups taking place. One on this. Actually a couple this Saturday, the no agenda Dallas, Fort Worth Mid Cities meetup at Chef Point Cafe in Coleyville, Texas. Or Nerdworks hosting the Central Ohio March edition meetup at noon. By the way, the mid cities is 11:30 in the morning, so the Central Ohio March edition is Jackie O's in Columbus. The Fort Wayne Club 33 March Madness meetup, one o' clock at Hall's Tavern at Coventry. And they'll be in the back room. Fort Wayne, Indiana. High atop hop. No agenda. No high country hop. No agenda. Don't stop. That'll be in Australia, 1 o' clock Eastern Australian Standard Time time. High Country Hop Festival site in Beechwood, Victoria. All right, I need a meetup report from you guys and also on Saturday and this will be the do over. Fukua Fukuok, Fukuoka Castle ruins Cherry Blossom viewing 1:30. That's your Japanese standard time at Maiduru Maizuru park in Fukuoka, Kyushu, Japan. Maybe it's because I can't pronounce them that people that show up, that may be part of the problem and I apologize for that. So if you're in Japan, if you're in that area, then please go and meet Sir Hank Itami. Don't let him be there alone. And we look forward to a full meet up report coming up in the month of april on the 2nd. Raleigh, North Carolina, Osaka. Now we know there's lots of people in Osaka, so that'll be on April 4th. The 11th is a big meetup day. Eagle, Idaho. Albany, California. Maybe John will come and show you his scar. Maybe not. Lafayette, Louisiana on the 11th and Fredericksburg, Texas. Yes, the keeper and I, many of your local celebrities from Fredericksburg will be there the 16th. Charlotte, North Carolina. Franklin, Tennessee on the 18th. Always a good group there. Scheveningen in the Netherlands on the 25th. Brighton, Michigan on the 26th and Leipzig in Germany, that's in Saxony. Make sure you go to that one. And whenever you have a meetup which as you know are completely unregulated, they're producer organized, you get what you put into it. Try and make a meetup report. Just pass a phone around. If it's a hassle, I'm happy to edit it. Just send it in to me. Will take care of it. Make sure everyone talks loudly enough and if you can always get your server in on the action. Noagendameetups.com connection is protection. The people you meet there will be your first responders in any emergency. They keep you stable so you're able. Go to noagendameetups.com if you can't find a meetup near you, start one yourself. It's real easy and they are always guaranteed a party

[No Agenda Theme Singer]

all the nights and days you want to be where you won't be triggered on Hell's Lame. You want to be where everybody feels the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like a party.

[Adam Curry]

Well, zippered or not, John has a tip of the day standing by for you. But as always, we want to see if we can select a fitting ISO for the end of the show. You sent me one as a bonus. This clip at the Just before we started the show. Do you want to hear mine first or should we go with yours?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, either way.

[Adam Curry]

Here we go. Here's mine.

[Planetary Society Host]

I thought it was pretty outrageous.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, there's one and that's it. That's all they have to do. And that's the other one I have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I. Mine.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, here's yours.

[President Trump]

This is old wisdom passed down through generations.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, why does he sound so muffled?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what he sounds like is his voice.

[Adam Curry]

And that's an AI voice. And it sounds.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not.

[President Trump]

This is old wisdom passed down through generations.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I mean, do you think that's better than I thought it was pretty outrageous.

[Ed O'Keefe]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You want the outrageous? What's your pick?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[NPR Reporter]

Heart.

[Adam Curry]

Heart patient goes first. We call you a heart patient.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry, I am.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I once called Dave Weiner a heart patient and he hung up. Up on me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why?

[Adam Curry]

Because he was a heart patient. He didn't like me. Said, I don't. I don't like that term. He hated it. Just don't call me.

[John C. Dvorak]

I never met again. It sweated so much.

[Adam Curry]

However, here's a guy who's got a

[No Agenda Theme Singer]

tip of the day. Great advice for you and me.

[Adam Curry]

Just the tip with jcd.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know why I didn't come up with this tip before. This is an old tip. This is a tip that we should have had on here. Lead testing swabs.

[Adam Curry]

Ooh, yes. That sounds like something we definitely should have had.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You know, you go to Goodwill, you pick up some old crockery, check it for lead, it could be toxic. And so the one example is the AA wipes lead test kit. 30 swabs is on Amazon. Enhanced lead testing formulation at home. Lead paint. It's also good for testing paint. Moving into a new house. Test paint.

[Adam Curry]

Now, wait a minute. You just, just swab the. The walls or what do you do?

[John C. Dvorak]

And then you stick it in a thing and it turns colors.

[Adam Curry]

Huh. I mean, people check their drugs all the time. I mean, I'm surprised we don't. We don't have these, that everybody doesn't have these just around the house.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everyone should have these lead test kits

[Adam Curry]

and they're available on Amazon. What's the price?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is the AA wipes. It's one of many. There's a lead. A lot of, a lot of companies that make these nine bucks.

[Adam Curry]

It's a good tip and it could save your life. How about that? A nine dollar tip of the day that could save your life. Find more at no agenda fun.com tipoftheday.net. And sometimes Adam created by Dana Berdetti. That's right. Where would we be without Dana? Without Dana, we wouldn't have House of Cards. What a tragedy that would be. And so we end another no Agenda media deconstruction for you. You might want to stay tuned to the no Agenda stream because we have the Random Thoughts podcast coming up next. And the title of this one is Known Addictive Products. So you know what that's going to be about. I'm sure it's a deep dive into the addictiveness of social media. End of show mixes, both of them coming from mvp. And if you feel so called, send me your end of show mixes. Keep them about a minute 30adamacurry.com and we'll be back on Sunday to bring the wattage into your cottage, as Darren o' Neill would say, and slam some that bass in your face. Until then, coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country, beautiful Fredericksburg, Texas, where we will be meeting on April 11th in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry and from the northern

[John C. Dvorak]

San Francisco Bay, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Please remember [e-mail] it's taken a lot to do this show until Sunday. Adios, mofos, hooey, hooey and such.

[No Agenda Theme Singer]

It's the best podcast in the universe. It's time to start the show. We've got the clips, we've got the tips and everything. You know the media spinning tales and weaving out a lie but we got Adam and JCD to give it a try Deconstructing every word to keep the spirit strong with value for value Magic man, we're moving right on. Shut up, slave. It's a show you crave in the morning till you let the banners wave no agenda here Let the truth be clear with a double shot of courage and a lack of fear Kick your heels up high let the narrative die the no Agenda show Reaching for the sky can you hear it? The media's a mess can, can you feel it? The truth we must conf yes, it's the no extender. Old Adam used to swear a blue streak every single day until he washed his mouth with soap and threw the words away But John back on no agenda and he's slipping now and then Letting out a mother trucker to the boys and men Now Adam's ears are burning he's trying to stay clean While John is dancing right on the edge of what is quite obscene Oh

[John C. Dvorak]

I

[No Agenda Theme Singer]

stepped into a puddle right up to my knee I yelled out Mother, Father for the neighborhood to see Mimi looked again Gas. She thought I'd lost my mind Until

[Adam Curry]

I told her ship it I'm the hard working kind the air is getting

[No Agenda Theme Singer]

salty the clouds are turning black But I'm a reformed fellow There ain't no turning back oh oh It's a ducking shame It's a bronco ride Keep the fire trucking language all locked up deep inside I'm a son of a biscuit A real corks sucker to just pull it on my corks until the wine comes into view we're sticking to the phonics we're dancing on the edge Without a single word to drive a person or the ledge so if you're feeling cluck just go and find a hand and say a hallelujah every now and then Keep your darn socks mended and your gosh darn soul and leave the dirty words inside the toilet Bow.

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe. Are you else mofo dvorak.org na

[Planetary Society Host]

I

[Adam Curry]

thought it was pretty outrageous.