1856 - "CIS Lunar"

Summary

No Agenda Show — Ep. 1856 "CIS Lunar"

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: April 2, 2026

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Main Theme

This episode takes a characteristically irreverent, incisive look at the latest news around the Artemis 2 lunar mission and the renewed “moon race”, unpacking the American moon program’s geopolitics, the space race with China, AI leaks, ongoing conflicts in the Middle East, and quirky cultural news from North America. Curry and Dvorak riff on the deeper implications, hidden agendas, and media angles, all while weaving in a tapestry of jokes, rants, and trademark banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Artemis 2 Moon Mission and "CIS Lunar" Space

• Kickoff: The episode jumps off with the Artemis 2 launch on April Fool’s Day, prompting skepticism and jokes about the "theater of the mind" as the hosts riff on NPR’s rocket launch coverage ([02:00–03:16]).
• Size Matters: Curry: “That thing’s still not as big as Saturn V... huge, but Saturn V is still a few feet bigger.”
• Moon Base Strategy: NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman’s roadmap: frequent launches, uncrewed and crewed missions, leading towards permanent lunar infrastructure. “We're in a new space race for the moon base...eventually getting down to six months, vehicle architecture will change until you've got repeatable, affordable missions going to and from the moon.” (Dvorak, [04:09])
• Tech Snags in Space: Astronauts’ Microsoft Outlook crashes mid-mission, highlighting surprising tech choices:
  “Why are they…using Outlook? …They better upgraded to Windows 11 so they have support.” (Dvorak, [06:11])
• Geopolitical Stakes: The moon push is cast as crucial national security:
  “When America returns to the moon...it sends a message to every one of our adversaries, our geopolitical rivals…” (Isaacman, via Dvorak, [06:27])
• "CIS Lunar Space": The hosts riff on the awkwardness, and possible misinterpretation, of the term—"CIS" leading to “CIS lucrative sexual fire” and “trans lunar” jokes ([07:44–08:52]).
• Show title: “That’s the show title—CIS Lunar” (Curry, [08:49])

2. The Restarted Space Race: US vs. China

• Coverage from CBC and CNN frames Artemis as not just science, but a race against China to build a lunar base and set global norms ([09:13–13:13]).
• Quote: “If there are constant Chinese missions and rare American missions, what makes you think the language of space travel will be English?” (Dean Chang, [09:56])
• Curry: “I was convinced that if China hadn’t been threatening to land a man on the moon, that we wouldn’t do this at all. It’s too expensive.” ([11:17])

3. Middle East War and US Foreign Policy

• Adam’s Thesis: “Trump’s just going to pull out [of Iran].” ([16:12])
• ABC/CNN/NATO reports dissect the US response to Iranian hostilities, regime change dynamics, NATO’s lukewarm support, and Trump’s fast-evolving timeline for withdrawal.
• Multiple network clips demonstrate shifting narratives, saber-rattling, and political maneuvering about STRAIT OF HORMUZ, military threats, and the costs of maintaining US involvement. ([16:52–34:38])
• Notable Quote: “We will leave because there’s no reason for us to do this.” (Trump, via Dvorak, [21:26])
• On NATO: “Why are we in NATO? …If we can no longer use those bases to defend America's interests, then NATO is a one-way street.” (Rubio, [32:55])
• Comic Reminder: “It’s just a charade. [NATO] is a smoke screen.” (Curry, [28:54])
• Regime Change? “Regime change was not one of the things I had as a goal...but we’re finishing the job.” (Trump, via Dvorak, [22:11])

4. Canadian Cultural News & Politics

• Coverage of language politics and Quebec–Canada tensions after an Air Canada CEO only delivers condolences in English, sparking outrage in Quebec ([41:05]).
• Analysis of Canadian crime, bail reform, and widespread dissatisfaction, featuring viral Canadian TikTokers ([44:04]).
• Hilarious recounting of the left-wing NDP convention and the convoluted “equity card” system among Canadian progressives ([47:01–50:51]).

5. No Kings Day, Social Protest, & Pop Political Psychology

• Street interviews lampooning media obsessions:
  “Isn’t it homophobic we’re so focused on the Straits of Hormuz and not the Gays of Homos?” (Man on the street, [51:10])
• Insight from a psychiatrist on why protest culture now mimics “bad group therapy” and politics has become a new American religion (“The left, for the most part, loves to hate.” [53:01]; “Politics has become the new religion.” [56:22])

6. Scandals & Personality News

• Lindsey Graham’s trip to Disneyland becomes internet fodder (“Lindsey Graham is walking around with...a princess Ariel bubble wand. ...Now, Lindsey Graham is childless and single. He was not there with his kids…” [57:27])
• Leaked fetish photos of political spouse Brian Noem spark discussion on digital privacy, potential blackmail, and “cockeyed bazungas” as a show title contender ([59:14–61:27])
• Ongoing drama and gossip in Republican politics; speculation on personal relationships of Kristi Noem and others ([62:11–63:09])

7. Artificial Intelligence Leaks & Open Source Debates

• Anthropic accidentally leaks its Claude Code source via an npm bundle; the hosts riff on the irony, the inner battles over open/closed source, and the rapidly advancing world of DIY AI ([73:25–79:46])
• Oracle layoffs cited as a symptom of AI’s disruptive restructuring, especially for Indian programmers ([79:46–82:24])

8. Media Manipulation, Propaganda, and “Movies as PSYOPs”

• In-depth critique of how both the US and Iran weaponize memes and AI-generated propaganda; Curry traces the deep state’s historic links with Hollywood and big cultural projects ([108:00–109:22], [99:34])
• Steven Spielberg is called out as “part of the Pentagon”, getting “marching orders” for movies as part of a broader social-engineering strategy ([99:34–106:34])
• The hosts connect the rise of deepfake propaganda, “memetic warfare,” and legacy media’s declining grip on narrative ([111:19])

9. Miscellaneous Banter & Behind-The-Scenes Updates

• JCD’s ongoing health recovery is a frequent theme (with gallows humor and positive support).
• Discussion of support from No Agenda producers, debates about hospital food, and inventive listener gifts (including "artisan pool water") add to the signature community vibe.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “[Astronaut complains] I have two Microsoft Outlooks, and neither one...are working.” (Mission Control clip, [05:32])
• “We're sending American astronauts back to the moon. What? CIS lunar space. Did I hear that correctly?” (Curry, [07:42])
• “The race is really with China… if there are constant Chinese missions and rare American missions, what makes you think the language of space travel will be English?” (Dean Chang, CBC, [09:56])
• “Support John if it’s only just to keep him alive. This is the whole point of the newsletter.” (Curry, [116:39])
• “Isn’t it a little bit homophobic that we’re so focused on the Straits of Hormuz and not the Gays of Homos?” (Man on the street, [51:10])
• “Spielberg... has always worked for the Pentagon.” (Peter Duke via Curry, [99:34])
• “Propaganda war over Iran has taken a strange turn. The White House and the Iranian regime are trolling each other online in a war of memes...” (Global News clip, [108:00])
• “I've got ants...I got ants!” (show jingle, [147:56]; recurring joke payoff)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Artemis 2 / NPR Rocket Launch Banter: [00:49–03:16]
• NASA strategy & Outlook crash: [04:09–06:26]
• CIS lunar terminology jokes: [07:42–08:52]
• China–US moon race: [09:10–13:13]
• Iran conflict, Trump, NATO rants: [16:12–38:16]
• Canadian “Language Police” news: [41:05–43:57]
• NDP Equity Card Convention: [47:01–50:51]
• ‘No Kings Day’ protest, Political psych: [51:01–56:22]
• Gossip corner—Lindsey Graham, Brian Noem: [57:27–62:11]
• Anthropic AI source leak: [73:25–79:46]
• Oracle layoffs, global tech impacts: [79:46–82:24]
• Spielberg/Pentagon Hollywood connections: [99:34–106:34]
• AI-fueled propaganda wars: [108:00–111:19]
• No Agenda community updates & donations: [121:03–128:43]
• Health tips, cookbook banter: [152:07–155:09]

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For First-Time Listeners

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Episode Title: CIS Lunar
Memorable Segment:
“Why are we in NATO? ... If now we have reached a point where the NATO alliance means that we can't use those bases... then NATO is a one-way street.”
– Marco Rubio, via Dvorak ([32:55])

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End of Show ISO:
“Everybody who loses gets a podcast.” (Trump, [151:51])

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

To the moon, Alice.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the moon. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, April 2, 2026. This is your award winning giveaway. Nation media assassination episode 1856. This is no Agenda to the Moon. And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from Refinery Row up here in the North San Francisco Bay. I was going to say to the moon. I'm of C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crack in the morning. We got to coordinate these now. We can't coordinate these things. That's. That's.

[Adam Curry]

I was gonna add Alice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So throw in one of your trademark. No one understands what JCD's talking about references.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Alice. Is that from the Honeymooners? From Jackie Gleason. Jackie Gleason.

[Adam Curry]

Jackie Gleason, you remember?

[John C. Dvorak]

Barely.

[Adam Curry]

To the moon, Alice.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the moon. Was that how much he loved her? Is that what the deal was?

[Adam Curry]

He's threatening to punch her.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he was not. What?

[Adam Curry]

What do you think it meant?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, he meant he loved her, he didn't want to punch her.

[Adam Curry]

Are you kidding me? He only said that when he was mad at her and he had his fist in a ball and he was swinging it around and he was gonna say to the moon one of these days.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, shows you this is exactly what I mean. No one understands these references. It's okay.

[Adam Curry]

I think they're suppressed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they should be. It's completely misogynistic. You can't have that kind of stuff anymore.

[Adam Curry]

He never hit her.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is the threat. And the threat is violence by itself.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, silences too.

[John C. Dvorak]

So listen to this foamer girl on NPR with the rocket going to the moon. NASA says the Artemis 2 moon mission is proceeding as scheduled following Yesterday's launch of four astronauts. From the Kennedy Space center in Florida. NPR's Nell Greenfield Boyce was there for liftoff. The rocket is just arcing up into the sky. There's a tremendous noise and just a bright, bright star like streaking star in the sky as it goes up and up. The sound was like physical. You could feel your body shaking. And there's a long straight cloud, white cloud coming down from the rocket which is still very visible up in the blue sky. There's four astronauts on board and it's amazing to think that they're on top of this thing and it's just going up and up and up and we can still hear it. It's like a very loud flag flapping sound. And all eyes are on this thing. That's NPR's now greenfield voice the Astro. I love her. Does she know that we have television these days? Does she know I love the theater of the mind? You know, it's a flapping noise and I can't believe they're on top of this thing and there's a white trail behind it. Yeah, we're watching it on television. Npr, it was. Yeah. Well, there you go. There you go. This big rocket is a big rocket. And of course, they launched it on April Fool's Day. Looked pretty real to me, though.

[Adam Curry]

It had to go through a lot of work to make it not real. All those people witnessing it. You know, that thing's still not as big as Saturn V. I watched most of this coverage. The thing is huge, but Saturn V is still a few feet bigger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's not. It's not the size. It's in the motion of the ocean, you know, and they're gonna slingshot this thing around the moon and this is a big deal. I got a couple clips. Do you have anything on the rocket?

[Adam Curry]

No, I didn't. No, it's just a. No. What was there to controversy? Well, something good.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's always something. Well, let's see. Yeah, actually got the. I got Isaacman, he's the. The administrator of NASA.

[Adam Curry]

That guy with the ears.

[John C. Dvorak]

With that guy with the ear, he could fly to the moon just with his ears.

[Adam Curry]

Holy mackerel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here he is. Hey, you know, this is serious, man. We're in a new space race for the moon base. So this is the opening episode, but you're gonna start seeing moon launches to the moon almost on a monthly cadence. A lot of uncrewed vehicles are going to go there. As we start to build out the moon base, you're going to see crewed vehicles with astronauts going at some point every year, eventually getting down to six months, vehicle architecture will change until you've got repeatable, affordable missions going to and from the moon. Yeah, okay. And you know how they're going to do that? They have moon partners. I'd say we have demonstration missions again on the kind of peaceful civil side for doing on orbit boosting of satellites, on orbit refueling of satellites. In fact, our entire lunar strategy with our two moon partners that are building our lunar landers, Moon Blue Origin incorporates some degree of on orbit assembly or on orbit cryogenic prop transfer. These are going to be game change in capabilities for the United States. So we are moving in that direction for sure. It's a little entre mind here. This Came in this morning as the astronauts are talking to Houston, and they had a little bit of a problem they, they thought Mission Control could help them with. Yeah, go for it. And then I also see that I have two Microsoft Outlooks, and neither one of those are working. If you want to remote in and

[Adam Curry]

check Optimus on those two Outlooks, that would be awesome.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are they.

[Adam Curry]

Why did they say, okay, wait, wait, stop the show. Clip of the day Microsoft Outlook crashes. I'm telling you. Yeah, I give you. I'll give you 10 points for the whole thing's worth it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen to that one more time. Yeah, go for it. And then I also see that I have two Microsoft Outlooks and neither one of those are working. If you want to remote in and check Optimus and those two Outlooks, that would be awesome. Can you remote in? It's even worse than that. Just.

[Adam Curry]

That's the worst.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remote in. I thought that was great. Okay. We're sending these guys to the moon and they're using Outlook. Like, I wonder if they're on. Do you think they upgraded to Windows 11 so they have support?

[Adam Curry]

They better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway. This whole thing is obviously about national security. When America returns to the moon, builds a moon base, you know, returning to the moon this time to stay, it sends a message. It sends a message to every one of our adversaries, our geopolitical rivals around the world, of what we are capable of doing. Sends a message of what we're capable of doing across every one of the most important emerging technological domains. I will tell you, it is absolutely a race. Right now, success and failure on the moon is going to be measured in months, not years. Success or failure is months, not years. And this, my friends, you may think we're just blowing money on rockets, blowing on a moon base. This is a critical piece of your golden dome. I 100% believe that our adversaries around the world understand how important the ground of spaces and what our. Our satellites are capable of doing again, from an observation and communication perspective. And they are doing everything they can to try and challenge it. That's where President Trump's golden dome comes in. We're building out even bigger constellations of satellites. We're going higher. We're going into CIS lunar space. We're sending American astronauts back to the moon. What? CIS lunar space. Did I hear that correctly?

[Adam Curry]

It sounded like he said cis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cis. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

What I heard like trans.

[John C. Dvorak]

CIS lucrative sexual fire. We're going into CIS lunar space. Yes. CIS lunar space.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder what CIS we've I think

[John C. Dvorak]

we've looked this up.

[Adam Curry]

We have a couple of times. It never makes any sense, really.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, satellites. We're going higher. We're going into CIS lunar space. We're sending American astronauts back to the moon to build a moon base. So laugh, tell, laugh, tell lights. We're going higher. We're going into CIS lunar space. We're sending American astronauts back to the moon to build. Listen, you can hear the laugh tal listings of satellites. We're going higher. We're going into CIS lunar space. We're sending American ashes back to the moon. We're sending them build a moon base. So there's no doubt our adversaries are trying to counter our capabilities in space. But this is why President Trump signs a national space policy calling for the continuation of American superiority in the high ground of space. CIS lunar space. The high ground of space. These are new terms. We should be learning these terms.

[Adam Curry]

That's the show title.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cislunar space is a little long.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or just CIS lunar. Maybe CBC had a bit here as we apparently are still racing the Chinese and I think have the Chinese, have they only banged stuff into the moon? Have they crash landed or have they had anything land successfully?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I think all it is was the crash lands.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think they just crash landed.

[Adam Curry]

I think 10, nine, eight.

[John C. Dvorak]

For all the complexity, care and frankly, rocket science that goes into this moment. 3, 2, 1, booster ignition and lift off. There's little else it comes down to but the wonder of this moment. Houston integrity, good roll pitch. And how wonderful it was to see years of planning and an estimated $93 billion pay off. Artemis 2, with humans on board, heads off to the moon today. Successful launch is also a move that NASA's new administrator has been pushing for. Jared Isaacman has criticized the pace of this Artemis program for taking too long and showing too little. He recently revamped plans to get more missions going faster, even to establish a moon base before competitors like China can make progress. If there are constant Chinese missions and rare American missions, what makes you think the language of space travel will be English? Dean Chang is a senior fellow with the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies. He sees China's persistence to go to the moon as a real challenge to the US with timelines, you can bet that they will move literally heaven and earth to make sure that Chinese boots leave an impression on the lunar surface. By December 31, 2030, humanity's next great voyage begins. Still, Artemis is the farthest along and if all goes well, in days, these astronauts will be Physically farther than any other crewed mission has ever gone. Even as they know their job is to be the test case so humans can go even further. So beside the endless articles about the color of their spacesuits, it's orange. This whole thing really does seem to be. They have a China angle to it, which I didn't. I didn't expect that. Or at least there wasn't a lot of that in the preamble.

[Adam Curry]

I thought.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you thought there was a lot of China angle?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I thought the whole thing was about China. I was convinced that if China hadn't been threatening to land a man on the moon, that we wouldn't do this at all. It's too expensive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, man. It's a part of the Golden Dome. One more clip. This is from CNN again about China and the new lunar economy. Back 50 plus years ago, the first mission to the moon, that was a space race with Russia. Today the race is really with China. How much Doesn't Russia still make our engines?

[Adam Curry]

I know Elon makes them. Now we don't, but. Yeah, but they do. I mean, you can still buy the Russian engines. I think we buy some. They never said who made these engines. Maybe we should buy Elon's company.

[John C. Dvorak]

We should buy a few of these engines. Maybe not. Race is really with China. How much did China. Has China's own space race fueled this push to get back to the moon, Right? Absolutely. I would say it's a major factor.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean. Right, Absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

Right, Absolutely.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so. We'll listen again. Back to the moon, right? Absolutely. I would say it's a major absolute. It's more like a rather absolute. Right, Absolutely. I would say it's a major factor. I mean, the reason that this is a race and exactly whether it's a race is kind of up for debate. But certainly lawmakers have made clear, both Democrats and Republicans, that they consider us to be in a new space race with China and it being a national security, security concern if they leapfrog our deep space capabilities. So that's the goal here. Right. China clearly has ambitions to build a base on the moon. So the United States is stepping up to that challenge and saying we want to build one, too. So the big question here maybe isn't who lands on the moon first again, but maybe who gets to that lunar base and establishing a new lunar economy, as NASA likes to say. And China is certainly driving that. We'll see. Lunar economy.

[Adam Curry]

Lunar economy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tina was having none of it. She says, but lower my gas prices. I don't care about what we do with the lunar economy. And I think that's. It wasn't the same. The media made some excitement about it when they were getting onto the. Into the. Into the capsule, but there wasn't a lot, you know, are people that excited anymore, the way we were?

[Adam Curry]

No, it doesn't look that way. But when they showed the crowd at Kennedy, there's a bunch of little kids who watched it, and they're all excited. So maybe, you know, it was just us being old.

[John C. Dvorak]

Speak for yourself, Tonto.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, hey.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're getting. You're gonna be a year older.

[Adam Curry]

I've got a birthday coming up on the fifth. The fifth? That should be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that a show day? It's not a show day, is it?

[Adam Curry]

It's Easter Sunday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wow. You celebrate on Easter Sunday?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's great, isn't it?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it happens about once every 12 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Yeah. I didn't realize that Easter kind of snuck up on me as well. It's not the same. How do they plan that? I should know this, I guess. Is that the Hebrew calendar? Is that why it's so confused?

[Adam Curry]

That's a good question. Because I've been baffled by it, by myself. Sometimes it's March, sometimes it's here, you know, sometimes July 4th. I mean, it's all over the place on July 4th.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's never been that. I have a feeling. I think it's the Hebrew calendar, but it just snuck up on me.

[Adam Curry]

We should, you know. Is the robot operating?

[John C. Dvorak]

The robot? Well, you mean, is the robot talk operating? I don't have her in talk mode. You know, I'm on Linux now. She's not compatible. I can get her working for Sunday. I don't want to delay the show.

[Adam Curry]

We shouldn't be guessing. We should be. We're right here. With computers in front of both of us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we have. I mean, of course I can ask my. Let me.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

How is Easter Sunday determined? Okay. All right. All right. Let's see what she says. And the robot says is calculating. I need to put you in fast mode, robot. See, this is the problem. If you don't. Okay. Oh, it's the vernal equinox.

[Adam Curry]

Ah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the Paschal full moon. And the next Sunday. So it has. Oh, man, this is complicated.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it is calendar based. It's moon based.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there you go. That was riveting. I'm glad we figured that out.

[Adam Curry]

Well, at least we. Hebrew calendar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hebrew calendar. So what you got?

[Adam Curry]

I got my typical. I'm keeping I'm documenting my thesis that Trump's just going to pull out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I think you're right. I've seen enough. In fact, I have a few, I have a few clips, but the, what I'm hearing now is, hey, you know, we're going to wait for them to make a deal and then we're going to, you know what? We don't need the Hormuz Straits. Let France take care of it. Yeah, that's what I hear. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So I've got variations of the theme here with a bunch of Iran clips which are scattered throughout the list. I'm going to give them to you individually. Try this one. Crazy John. Carl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tonight, with Iran's blockade of the Strait of Hormuz causing oil prices to soar around the world, President Trump is urging America's allies to, quote, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait and just take it.

[Adam Curry]

In a phone call, the President told

[John C. Dvorak]

me of our allies. They can police it themselves. Why should I do it for them? They weren't there for me. The President suggesting that America's allies should be there to help, even though they didn't start the war. France, Spain and Italy have all expressed reluctance to get involved. The President has acknowledged he was elected on a promise to bring down the cost of living. But today he told me the booming stock market before the war made it a good time to do it. Trump insists the oil prices are going to go down. He has threatened if Iran doesn't immediately open the Strait, he will be, quote, blowing up and completely obliterating their civilian infrastructure, including power plants and water systems. He also says the US And Iran are talking, telling me we have regime change and this group is much more moderate and much more reasonable. The President says his team has been talking with the speaker of the Iranian Parliament, Mohammed Galiboff. Speaker Golubov has been jabbing the President on social media. He's toned it down a lot. Trump told me he's much better. The President then adding ominously, we know where he lives.

[Adam Curry]

Let's put it that way. He's on Cuba.

[John C. Dvorak]

The President telling me Cuba's gone. When I asked him if he was talking about a military operation against Cuba, Trump said, I can't tell you that. I trust you implicitly, but I can't tell you.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm. This Cuba thing kind of bothers me. Cuba's gone. What's he talking about? Does the Cuba thing bother you at all?

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean, does it bother me? Like, do I wake up in a cold sweat?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, yeah, in a Cold sweat saying what the hell are they doing to Cuba? I mean it's just out of the blue.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean? Did they let some oil in there?

[Adam Curry]

No, they didn't let any oil in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they let the Russians.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they did?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. The Russians unload a whole tanker of oil.

[Adam Curry]

No. That's nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. No, I'm not bothered by that. They got some oil, you know, depressed.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's go on with this with the thesis. Here's abc. This one's abcwnt. US bombs key site tonight, massive explosions

[John C. Dvorak]

ripping through this military complex in Iran sending flaming debris shooting into the air. An official telling ABC News the US struck an ammunition storage facility in Isfahan dropping multiple 2000 pound bunker busting bombs for the first time in this war. The pentagon now saying B52 bombers are flying deep over Iranian territory. And tonight Secretary Pete Hegseth saying the battle is moving into a decisive phase.

[Adam Curry]

The upcoming days will be decisive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Iran knows that and there's almost nothing they can militarily do about it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, they will still shoot some missiles,

[John C. Dvorak]

but we will shoot them down. Tonight a third aircraft carrier, the USS George H.W. bush departing for the Middle east with 4,500 sailors aboard. Families emotional.

[Adam Curry]

I'm just trying to be strong for him. It's really hard being away from someone like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Iran still wreaking havoc. New images of an oil tanker hit by an Iranian drone near Dubai punching a hole in the ship, sparking a fire on board. And tonight, an Iran backed militia accused of kidnapping an American journalist in Baghdad. Iraqi officials confirming this chilling video shows the moment Shelley Kittleson was forced into a car and taken. Authorities arresting at least one suspect as an urgent search intensifies. David. The State Department with a new warning tonight for Americans in Saudi Arabia about threats to places where they gather like schools and hotels. This as Iran threatens to attack American corporate facilities across the region. Yeah, can I play a clip to add to your thesis?

[Adam Curry]

Because I play all the clips you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, this is. Here's the President talking about leaving Iran very, very, very soon.

[Adam Curry]

I would say

[John C. Dvorak]

two weeks.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe two weeks, maybe three.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe three.

[Adam Curry]

We're hitting them very hard. Last night we knocked out tremendous amounts

[John C. Dvorak]

of missile making facilities. We, as you probably read it, we

[Adam Curry]

knocked out, excuse me, pardon me, the

[John C. Dvorak]

US will be gone or done with the war. I think with two or three weeks

[Adam Curry]

we'll leave because there's no reason for

[John C. Dvorak]

us to do this.

[Adam Curry]

Look, problem with this fate. A guy can take a mine, drop

[John C. Dvorak]

it in the water and Say, oh, it's unsafe. It's not like you're taking out an

[Adam Curry]

army or you're taking out a country

[John C. Dvorak]

or you, they can drop it, or

[Adam Curry]

you can take a machine gun from

[John C. Dvorak]

the shore and shoot a little few

[Adam Curry]

bullets at a ship or maybe an over the shoulder missile, small missiles.

[John C. Dvorak]

He doesn't really know much about military gear, does he?

[Adam Curry]

That's not for us, A.D. libby.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'll be for France.

[Adam Curry]

France, that'll be for whoever's using the strain.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I think when we leave, probably

[Adam Curry]

that's all cleared up. Today I heard tremendous numbers of ships were sailing through.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tremendous.

[Adam Curry]

We're negotiating with them right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

They've been. Again, we have had regime change.

[Adam Curry]

Now, regime change was not one of the things I had as a goal. I had one goal. They will have no nuclear weapon. And that goal has been attained. They will not have nuclear weapons, but we're finishing the job and I think

[John C. Dvorak]

within maybe two weeks, maybe a couple

[Adam Curry]

of days longer to do the job. But we want to knock out every single thing they have. Now, it's possible that we'll make a deal before that because we'll hit bridges and we've hit some. We'll hit some bridges. Bridges in mind. We're going to hit some bridges. If they come to the table, that'll be good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like that. We have some nice bridges in mind. Bridge too far.

[Adam Curry]

It's possible that we'll make a deal before that because we'll hit bridges and we've hit some. We'll hit some bridges. Got a couple of nice bridges in mind. But if they come to the table, that'll be good.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it doesn't matter whether they come or not.

[Adam Curry]

We've set them back.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'll take 15 to 20 years for them to rebuild what we've done to them. I'm. I got to tell you, I'm disappointed because I thought the whole plan was to control the Straits of Hormuz, to be the financier of the shipping and the insurance. And now it's like, yeah, France, deal with. Doesn't sound.

[Adam Curry]

I think they got the writings on the wall. They can't do it. They're. They're at a position right now where they've done enough damage. I think they're only hanging around. This is my thesis. Of course they're only hanging around. Yeah, they're only hanging around because they're hoping to God that they can find that 600 pounds of uranium, that enriched

[John C. Dvorak]

uranium, Iranian dust, as the President calls

[Adam Curry]

it, whatever nuclear dust he calls it nuclear dust. But. But there's a bunch. They, they think they can grab it. That was their great hope. And I think they're going to say, well, it's disappeared. We're going to have to put Mossad in there later. Maybe they can find it, we'll come back. But we can't stay here any longer because everyone's irked at us. But we can still blame them for not helping us when we leave. I think that's going to be the kicker. When he leaves, he's going to say, well, you know, we would have stayed,

[John C. Dvorak]

but yeah, I got some of those. But maybe you want to do your.

[Adam Curry]

No, go ahead. You got some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I've got cs. First of all, let's do a boots on the ground from the region from our producer there. He says alive and kicking. My military guys, they're like that guy, your informant, he's full of bs. Okay. I have a feeling that maybe the military results are not as rosy as the President as well.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, when they start showing you videos on network TV of a truck being blowed up, come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says alive and kicking. Just amazed by the number of quote, analysts and quote, experts discussing the, quote, detailed plans which are conveniently leaked through WaPo, New York Post and every single major paper on the exact approach and step by step, ground operation to seize the islands or retrieve enriched uranium stockpiles. The end of this. Seems Pakistan is taking a dual role here to manage the negotiation process. And China will step in as guarantor with actual skin in the game. The problem is how do we deal with a militarized, angry and vengeful Iran that guarantees they won't aggressively rebuild and go all in. Some voices in the region think that we need to take the chemotherapy approach and keep hitting until the entire regime collapses, which is aligned to the Israeli approach. But the issue is at what cost? Do we have enough interception capabilities? Can we expose ourselves to such hardships short and long term? Other voices believe that the regime already collapsed, but the war itself is what keeps it fighting for survival. And what happened to the initial decapitation event was a military coup by the IRGC which picked a dead or nearly dead puppet as a token for the Islamic Republic idea. There could be voices that will push the country towards a softer Islamic Republic with acute supreme leader or towards a more pragmatic, politically savvy bureaucracy. Iranian people are extremely smart with a wide range of political ideologies. Once sanctions are dropped, the regime could fall through Instagram or TikTok.

[Adam Curry]

I agree.

[John C. Dvorak]

I Wouldn't surprise me, to be honest about it. Wouldn't be surprising. Okay, so NATO. Yes, you are completely right. The president has been lashing out, according to France 24.

[Adam Curry]

And I've always said NATO's a paper tiger.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I always said we help NATO,

[Adam Curry]

but they'll never help us.

[John C. Dvorak]

From jabs and scoldings to thinly veiled threats and angry outbursts over the last few weeks, Donald Trump hasn't been shy in his criticism for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. A longtime NATO skeptic, the US President has now ramped up his rhetoric, telling British newspaper the Telegraph that he was strongly considering pulling the United States states out of the alliance. Trump says NATO isn't doing enough to help the US in its war with Iran, particularly when it comes to securing the Strait of Hormuz. A fifth of the world's oil and liquefied natural gas would normally flow through the narrow waterway, but Iran has virtually closed it since the start of hostilities on February 28, causing global oil and gas prices to soar. When asked about Trump's comments on Tuesday, the British prime minister stood up for NATO and reiterated his promise not to get dragged into the war left behind. NATO is the single most effective military alliance the world has ever seen, and it has kept us safe for many decades. Whatever the pressure on me and others, whatever the noise, I'm going to act in the British national interest in all the decisions that I make. Okay. So they're still kind of staying at arm's length, and they sent over our boy to help ease the pain a little bit. Mark showing up on the Fox News. All right, I want to start with some criticism. You know, the president has been sharply addressing what he sees as NATO's failures in this current situation. Here's what he said in the Oval Office earlier this week.

[Adam Curry]

I think NATO is making a very foolish mistake, and I've long said that,

[John C. Dvorak]

you know, I wonder whether or not

[Adam Curry]

NATO would ever be there for us. So this is a. This is a great test.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. What's up?

[Adam Curry]

So NATO's making a fool. Don't we really run NATO? This whole thing is a charade.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's not about NATO. It's about these. It's about the eu. Screw those guys. That's what he said.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's about the eu. But. But I think NATO is just a.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is.

[Adam Curry]

This is a smoke screen.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a co. It's code.

[Adam Curry]

He got his buddy Ruta.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Roots is a fake.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Duh, duh. Listen to. Wait until you hear what he's saying. Long said that, you know, I wonder

[Adam Curry]

whether or not NATO would ever be there for us. So this is a. This was a great test because we don't need them, but they should have been there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you talked with the President? I know that you guys have had a good relationship. Yes, we have, and we talked several times this week. But before I get there, let me. Before I get there, let me stay here for a moment. Let me say something which is top of the show, top of mind. Just say at the top of our interview that my thoughts and prayers are obviously with the players and women in uniform who are at this moment fighting to make the world more secure and implement the President's vision of making sure Iran will not get its hands on a nuclear facility, a nuclear capability and a ballistic missile capability. Yes, we cannot have that at all. But don't worry, we are coming with 22 nations. I know the President was angry because he feels that European and other allies have been too slow. The good news here is, is that since Thursday, a group of 22 countries, most of them from NATO, but also Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand, the UAE and Bahrain, most of the other countries from NATO coming together to implement his vision of making sure that the Strait of Hormuz is free is opening up as soon as that is possible. So we are now planning the military people and others, the military people, this group of 22 nations and with the US when can we do that? What is needed and how should we do this? Okay, well, let me tell you. So the 22 nations not included in this coalition are NATO members Turkey, Greece, Poland, Belgium, and Hungary. So those, they're not participating. And even though France, Italy, Spain are participating, Spain closed their airspace to us. Italy denied bombers use of the air base in Sicily, and France has refused territory for military operations as well. Those in the coalition who are not NATO members. Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. And Rubio is the one who's going out to explain this on behalf of the President. He had a long interview with Sean Hannity. Sean, I've been one of the strongest defenders of NATO during my time as a United States Senator because I found great value in it. And it wasn't just about defending Europe. I said it also allowed us to have military bases in Europe that allowed us to project power into different parts of the world when our national security was threatened. If now we have reached a point where the NATO alliance means that we can't use those bases, that in fact, that we can no longer use those bases to defend America's interests, then NATO is a one way street. Then NATO is simply about us having troops in Europe to defend Europe. But when we need their help, not their help. We're not asking them to conduct airstrikes. When we need them to allow us to use their military bases, their answer is no. Then why are we in NATO? Why are we in NATO? That's a good question. I think we should reexamine after the war is over. So I think there's no doubt, unfortunately, after this conflict is concluded, we are going to have to reexamine that relationship. We're going to have to reexamine the value of NATO and that alliance for our country. Ultimately that's a honey NATO. We've got to talk decision for the President to make and he'll have to make it. We're going to finish the job here. As I said, we're very, very close to achieving our objectives on all of these things that I've outlined. But I do think, unfortunately, we are going to have to reexamine whether or not this alliance that has served this country well for a while is still serving that purpose. Or has it now become a one way street where America is simply in a position to defend Europe. But when we need the help of our allies, they're going to deny us basing rights and they're going to deny us overflight. Yeah. So it's just screw you guys. That's what it is. But yes, we are NATO. So I'm sure you saw the President last night on his national broadcast.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought it was very weak.

[Adam Curry]

It was terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this was perhaps the worst. I don't know who advised him on this. That sounds like something. I got to tell people this. This was the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[Adam Curry]

It's very important that we keep this conflict in perspective. American involvement in World War I lasted

[John C. Dvorak]

one year, year, seven months and five days.

[Adam Curry]

World War II lasted for three years, eight months and 25 days. The Korean War lasted for three years, one month and two days. The Vietnam War lasted for 19 years, five months and 29 days. Iraq went on for eight years, eight

[John C. Dvorak]

months and 28 days.

[Adam Curry]

We are in this military operation so powerful, so brilliant, against one of the most powerful countries for 32 days.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is the point of that? All you're doing is reminding people that this could last forever.

[Adam Curry]

Interesting that you interpreted it that way. I didn't think of it that way. But you're right. That's why he's going to have to get out within the next week or two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's what he's saying. Two weeks, three weeks, couple days.

[Adam Curry]

We'll be out of here tomorrow. He's got to just, you know, he. The problem. He thinks he set it up. He's a little concerned that because, you know, Iran's going to claim victory no matter what happens, and he doesn't like that idea. And he's worried about the political implications, about going in and rubbilizing and just leaving. It's great. And so I think he's shaky. He wants to get out. Like Senator John Kennedy said, why are we there now? We've done what we had to do. Let's get out. Kennedy's aware of this going on more than any other senator, and I think Trump just can't pull the trigger, or the military guys want to test more gear or who knows what.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, they always want to do that, definitely. He reiterated that regime change was not the goal, which. Okay, not explicitly, but he keeps talking about it. Not our goal.

[Adam Curry]

We never said regime change. But regime change has occurred because of all of their original leaders. Death.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're all dead.

[Adam Curry]

The new group is less radical and much more reasonable.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we still don't know who the new group is. That's.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the head of the Parliament's one of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, there's that foreign minister guy who's on.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that guy. Yeah. Baghdad Bob.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's on X all the time.

[Adam Curry]

Baghdad Bob. Yeah. And then we're not talking. We don't know what he's talking about. We're not talking to anybody. We're winning this thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then Rubio is sent out and he almost did a podcast, you know, like a scripted thing. Let me just tell you. Let me tell you why we did this. This is very important. I'm Marco Rubio. Many Americans are asking, why did the United States have to attack Iran now? Well, let me explain, please. Iran wants to have nuclear weapons. Of that there is zero doubt if what they truly wanted, which is what they claim is nuclear energy. Well, they could have nuclear energy like all the other countries in the world have it, and that is you import the fuel and you build reactors above ground. That's not what Iran has done. They build their reactors and their facilities deep in mountains, away from the public glare, and they want to enrich that material. The same equipment that they could use to enrich material for energy, they could use to quickly enrich the it to weapons grade. So it is clear that they've been offered every opportunity to have A nuclear program that allows them to have energy, not weapons. And every single time they have turned it down. But why the attack now? Well, what was Iran trying to do? Iran was trying to build a conventional shield, in essence have so many missiles, have so many drones that no one could attack them. And they were well on their way. We were on the verge of an Iran that had so many missiles and so many drones that no one could do anything about their nuclear weapons program in the future. That was an intolerable risk. Under no circumstances can a country run by radical Shia clerics with an apocalyptic vision of the future ever possess nuclear weapons. And under no circumstances can they be allowed to hide and protect that program and their ambitions behind a shield of missiles and drones that no one can do anything about. Okay, nice podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. So Iran is now formalizing the. The, the toll road.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's not gonna last.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's illegal. France 24 doesn't think it's going to happen at all. But here. Iran's National Security Committee has approved a bill that would impose these fees on the Strait of Hormuz. That's according to the Iranian Farce News Agency. And Iran has written to the International Maritime Organization saying it has to check the ships going through on the grounds of self defense and that these checks will generate costs, thus the tolls. But for shippers, there are many questions lingering on whether paying those fees would mean going against existing international sanctions leveled at Iran. So even if Iran formalizes it, it's unlikely to be accepted by other countries. Although right now there does not seem to be really other options to go across. Yeah, I agree. I don't think that's going to happen. But the UK is, is now the center of the 35 countries who will be on the committee, I think, to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. So they're trying to do. Yeah, they're trying. Steering committee. They're trying to do something. Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand is headed to the uk. She will join multination talks on finding diplomatic opt to reopen the Strait of Hormuz trade corridor. The meeting was called by the UK government today. Anand says Canada will not hesitate to help secure the strait, but only if there is a ceasefire. The Liberal government has not yet decided on specific measures.

[Adam Curry]

It's Canada.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's what?

[Adam Curry]

You said uk. It's Canada.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought everyone's meeting in the uk. Did I? Did I?

[Adam Curry]

I know what she's talking about. Canada. Well, can I do a. Taking a trip aside here? Yeah, there's a Little step aside. Canada is nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm. Okay. Geez.

[Adam Curry]

I want to put this from a couple of days ago. The leading the national. I've decided to start following the CBC now. The national, which is a pretty good news presentation, is there. It's their premier. You know, the top.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's their. Tom Brokejaw.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, broke.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hang in. Hang in there. Hang in there. You can do it.

[Adam Curry]

Don't do that. Don't do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? Don't make you laugh? Is that the. Is that the problem?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, do not make me laugh. Okay. So Canada, this was the first time I played the teaser and then the story and then you tell me this not nuts. Canada scandal. The national tonight, anger across Quebec after

[John C. Dvorak]

the message of condolence from the head

[Adam Curry]

of Air Canada was in English only.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you. You've been living in Quebec for 15, 20 years, you should be able to speak the language. Why?

[Adam Curry]

It is not the first time Michael Rousseau has faced calls for an apology

[John C. Dvorak]

or resignation because he did, only did in English and not in French.

[Adam Curry]

This is the. The CEO of an airline, he's not a politician, has to speak in both languages all the time. You know, because of the Quebecers who are trying to. They're going to do a breakaway move again one more time, which we haven't talked about in the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's heating up, I hear.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's supposed to be heating up a lot. And this may be part of it, but so. And then they go into the story. Here it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Air Canada's CEO is facing intense backlash tonight, including calls for his resignation after his message of condolence to the victims of the crash at LaGuardia Airport was

[Adam Curry]

delivered only in English. Michael Rousseau spoke just two French words

[John C. Dvorak]

in nearly four minutes.

[Adam Curry]

The plane, which took off from Montreal,

[John C. Dvorak]

crashed into a fire truck on the Runway, killing both pilots, Antoine Faure and Mackenzie Gunther.

[Adam Curry]

Faure was a French speaker from Quebec. Criticism has been especially sharp in that province.

[John C. Dvorak]

As Sarah Levitt tells us us, this

[Adam Curry]

isn't the first time Rousseau has faced

[John C. Dvorak]

scrutiny for not speaking French. Air Canada already had a terrible human tragedy to deal with following the crash at LaGuardia Airport. Human tragedy and injured many passengers. But the way it's partly handled, that has created a political crisis. That along with this, were the only two French words spoken by Michael Russo in a video released after the crash that's put the Air Canada CEO in hot, particularly in Quebec. One of the plane's pilots, Antoine Foray, was a Francophone from the province. Francophone, asking him to quit his job right now for sure, he should apologize. Canada should ask him to resign. In an interview with Radio Canada, Air Canada's VP of Communications apologized on behalf of the airline and said that despite years of lessons, Russo's French was not good enough to discuss. Discuss such a serious matter. The airline is subject to the Official Languages Act. And now Rousseau has been summoned to Ottawa to explain himself in front of the Official Languages Committee. It's also earned him an admonishment from the Prime Minister. It doesn't matter the circumstances, but particularly in these circumstances, lack of judgment and lack of compassion. Yeah, Canada, you've kind of ripped us away from Iran, Hormu Straits, et cetera. But since you're moving to Canada, I don't know if you saw any of.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm sorry I did that, but. But that was eating at me. These clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's okay.

[Adam Curry]

But we're gonna play this. Can I play my Canada girl?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's probably the same girl I have.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, really? You think so?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just guessing. Yeah. Oh, maybe not. Here's your Kennedy girl. Hello, I'm a Canadian living in the United States. I just have a really quick question. No, this is not my Canada girl. Are you aware of what's actually happening in your own country? Now, one of the things that I like to do around here is I like to. To do research before I speak. So I just went ahead and I made you a couple notes. So please allow me to explain to you what literally just happened. Yes. So this woman is ill. I'll just point that out, that this is what you're doing with your life on the TikTok or wherever you got there, probably. This is more like an Instagram lady. It sounds like was Tick tock or Instagram.

[Adam Curry]

It makes now.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a difference.

[Adam Curry]

There's a difference.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's a difference. In Canada, okay, there was four public safety bills, and they were all voted down. So there's one called Bill C246. Have you heard of it? If not, that's okay. I'll sum it up for you. So it would have made sure that sexual predators serve time for each victim, not a bulk discount. Okay, that was voted down. Did you hear about Bill C220? No.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

If not, that's okay. I'm here to help you. It would have stopped lighter sentences for rapists and child predators. Just because deportation might happen after that was voted down. Down. Okay. Did you hear about Bill C243? If not, no, it's fine. I'm here for you. It would have protected victims from having to relive their trauma at parole hearings over and over and over again. Wait a minute. Just may. Understand. So she lives in America and she's telling Canadians that they live in a horrible country? Is that what she's doing?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

The victims actually begged for this. It was voted down. Did you hear about Bill C242? If not, once again, I'm here to help. Yeah, the Jail Not Bail Act. Okay, well, that targeted repeat offenders cycling in and out of the system, and that was voted down too. And you know what? Can I just give you a little big picture here really quickly? I have the time. So before you talk about avoiding America, can you talk about insufferable? This. What's happening at home? Violent crime has risen significantly over the past decade. Okay. Is at record highs. Do you like your vehicle? How about the collapsing healthcare system? Millions of Canadians and still don't have a family doctor and. Or access to one. Housing is completely unaffordable. Food bank usage is at record highs. The catch and release policies are frustrating even law enforcement. Your own prime minister said that you will need to make sacrifices and suffer. And those were his words, not mine. Where I'm from, my tiny little town has four homeless encampments. Four. But sure, America is the problem, right? Can you do me one really big favorite rental property? Just turn the TV off just for a day. United States is not this dystopian nightmare that you're being sold. Okay? And Canada is not this flawless utopia that you pretend it is. Oh, give that woman a green card. All right. Welcome to America, lady. Get off Instagram. We got people in the troll room saying this show is single handedly making me hate women. So I have a.

[Adam Curry]

And that's from a woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Right. I have a Canadian. Canadian clip. Canadian lady. Well, questionable whether it's a Canadian lady or what it is. I think non binary conforming thing. Did you see any of the footage from the NDP convention?

[Adam Curry]

I saw all of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just had to pull at least one clip. This.

[Adam Curry]

We want you to tell people what the NDP is. National Democrat Party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Canadians. It's communists.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's communists. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Communist is. We've seen this before. This is the. The kind of groups that get together and you can't clap. You have to snap your fingers. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have to ask for a point of privilege.

[Adam Curry]

You gotta do this and that. Nothing ever gets done. Everybody's a freak.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is. What is the type of being on Star Trek?

[Adam Curry]

Quark.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was Quark. What was Quark's race.

[Adam Curry]

Ferengi.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ferengi. So this. This lady looks like a Ferengi.

[Adam Curry]

The host is the one that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she's the modern podium girl. Podium thing. And people are in line and they have different colored equity cards. And these equity cards, from what I understand. Great.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, who came up with this idea? I've never seen this one before.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love it. So you have an equity card and I think you have a yellow one or a red one. And that means you can move ahead in the line. And it's all based on privilege and underprivileged.

[Adam Curry]

Underprivileged mostly.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this one clip just kind of sums it up. There's a point of privilege on microphone one. Then we'll go to microphone three. Go ahead, delegate. Hey, what happened to microphone two? You're discriminating. Yes, hello. I. I was standing here with my gender equity card. She has a yellow gender equity card before you called on the previous speaker. And she's wearing a kif over her shoulder. She's. Yeah, she's all for Palestine equity card. Before you called on the previous speaker. That's my point of privilege. And I would like to. I will explain the speaking order, which is so. Okay, if I understand. She's mad because she had a point of privilege card, a yellow one, which is not the same as a red one because the black lady gets a red one. You'll hear from her in a minute. And so she was mad that she had. That she had a gender equity card and was not called on before you called on the previous speaker.

[Adam Curry]

Wait. The irony of this clip is she's at the mic. She wasn't called on. You're being called on now. What more do you want?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm mad about that. My gender equity card before you called on the previous speaker. That's my point of privilege that I would like to. I will explain the speaking order, which is fixed. That I cannot amend, which is the pro con rotation. You can move yourself up a line that you're standing. I am pro. And I. I was. We went. You went pro.

[Adam Curry]

We went pro.

[John C. Dvorak]

Con. Pro. And my plan was to go con. The speaker at con mic 3 also has a speaking card. Yesterday, this card. Now she has a. Looks like a pink card. A black woman with a white face mask was used in an inappropriate matter. And while I understand in Ontario we know this is equity, even if that this was also used inappropriate in terms of gender. I want everyone to be mindful that these cards for individuals like myself who identify as a Black woman have no value you outside of this space. I love that she identifies as a black woman because she's a black woman. It's amazing. This is. This is fantastic. It's just. And you know, this kind of. Kind of brings me to no Kings Day.

[Adam Curry]

Well, can I do a transverse clip, kind of a crossover clip that there was an interview on man on the street at no Kings Day regarding horror moves.

[John C. Dvorak]

We both have this clip.

[Adam Curry]

You got it too. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Okay. Yes. This is an interview in the crowd.

[Adam Curry]

Man on the Street.

[John C. Dvorak]

Man on the street. And I think this guy's a comedian, so he's doing a good job here for humanity. And it's a little muffled, but you'll hear he is talking about the Straits of Hormuz. Isn't it a little bit homophobic that we're so focused on the Straits of Hormuz? Homose and not the case of homose? I agree. Yes, for sure.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I agree.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why do you think they're willing to leave the gays of Homus behind?

[Adam Curry]

I think it's just history historically.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like, you know, gays have always been. Yeah. Very discriminated against, which is wrong in so many levels.

[Adam Curry]

Even in war.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, even in war. And it just takes, I think, more. What is it like? More reform in government, obviously, and then also educating society. The gaze of Hormuz, we could turn it into Fire island. For sure. For sure. That's the new Borat as far as I'm concerned. That guy, he needs to do more of this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so the. I got a lot of Fox clips. For some reason, the Fox, I don't know if this is the morning show. I can't remember. They brought on a psychiatrist to talk about no Kings and why people are going there and what it's doing for them. You say that this is essentially bad group therapy. Explainers look a lot like bad group therapy. We have people on the streets across America. They're venting, they're getting validation from their fellow rally goers. So it all feels very good in the moment. Is there a reason why the left is more distressed than the right?

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe they have more to be

[John C. Dvorak]

distressed about these days. And I think largely, you know, they're just not happy with Trump winning. We have grievance culture run wild.

[Adam Curry]

The left, for the most part, loves to hate.

[John C. Dvorak]

And whether it's a CEO of a health care company or billionaires or a politician, the culture is grievance culture. But is there something a little bit more serious underlying all of this that we should. Should Be actually concerned about. Well, we should be. And if people are so hyper focused on a political figure and they're not able to enjoy life as a mental health professional, that's a huge problem that I see.

[Adam Curry]

I've had people over the years who couldn't enjoy their vacation because they were

[John C. Dvorak]

so fixated on Donald Trump. They just said to me, how can I possibly go on vacation knowing that he's in office? So we really should be concerned about the. I think that's true. I think people are really so upset.

[Adam Curry]

And I see, you know, they say so. They do, yeah, there's something's wrong with them.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you drive to Austin, we have to go over 290, and you go through a Dripping Springs, or the Drip, as we call it. And there's older people, so older than me, 70s, and they're always at this one main intersection. And they're always day in, day out, rain or shine. No Kings, we hate Trump. Down with Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and no, we have that. Okay. In Berkeley over the two, there's. There's three overpasses in the Berkeley area. One's a walking bicycle thing over the freeway, and one's the big road, and there's another one and can. Ever since the first no Kings, there have been people up there with various signs. They come and they go. The signs come and change and they're just up there all the time. Honk if you hate Trump. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Honk. Yeah. Honk if you hate Trump. They do that in the Drip as well. And I don't know, it's like it's not the most important thing in your life. It shouldn't be. This is our overall general problem in America is. Is politics has just become the most important national politics. Not even your local politics. I mean, we have a mayoral election. Unfortunately, I can't run, as you know.

[Adam Curry]

What do you mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't live in Fredericksburg. I live. Oh, that's right, you're a county unincorporated. Yeah, I'm in Glasgow. I could run for sheriff or I could run for comptroller. That's a job. Comptroller. That's the job you want. Want. But, you know, if you walk down Main street and say, what about Trump? Someone will have opinion. You say, what about Randy Briley? Who? No one knows that there's even a mayoral election going on. In fact, this psychiatrist continues here in a second clip, that politics has become the new national religion. How much of what you're seeing on the left has to do with replacing, like, you know, liberalism also goes Hand in hand with a lot of secularism and sort of. So could they be replacing that spiritual, religious part with politics? And so then it ends up not being very satisfying. Yeah, absolutely. In some ways, politics has become the new religion.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so, you know, I covered just a few days ago this past week when President Trump had the Japanese prime minister at the White House, Sane Takechi. He made a joke about Pearl harbor and everyone on the left, in the left media and left politicians lost their minds. It was clearly a joke. Like, are we at the point now where people are suffering so bad from tds, like they can't even get a joke? Well, I also thought it was funny, but a lot of people didn't think it was funny. You know, they're just so fixated, looking for things that Trump can do wrong. And I've long said that Trump could cure cancer and people find a problem with that. He said, said that. Actually, Jonathan, come back and see us because I think we're going to need more therapy. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I love this segment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Stupid Fox. Now, if you think it's only people on the left in America who are crazy or nuts, and that's a fast Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham is under attack. Since evidently there's nothing for a senator to do in these trying times, Lindsey

[Adam Curry]

Graham decided to go be where the

[John C. Dvorak]

people are down in Disneyland, which he went to and had a good old time with.

[Adam Curry]

And there's been a lot of great photos that have come out of this,

[John C. Dvorak]

but I think by far my favorite is this one. I don't know exactly where he's at right there, but I do know what he's holding. That is a princess Ariel bubble wand. And do you know how I know that? Because I own a princess Ariel bubble wand. Well, technically my daughter Raina does because I bought it for her. It's a big wand with a kid's mermaid on it that plays kid music and bubbles come out of it of it. And Lindsey Graham is walking around with it. Now, Lindsey Graham is childless and single. He was not there with his kids. I have not seen any evidence that he was there with anyone's kids. Now, if you were there with your friends, kids, your, I don't know, your brother's sister's kids, maybe you buy them the aerial bubble wand. But as of right now, the only explanation is that he saw a bubble wand with Ariel on and he had to have it. Is he just that big of a fan of Ariel?

[Adam Curry]

I do think that he is a

[John C. Dvorak]

little bit more personally anxious about that image. Than he wants to publicly admit because now he's trying to put out other images. He put out this tweet saying spend some time breaking clays in Edgefield county today.

[Adam Curry]

Doesn't get much better than that. And oh boy, doesn't he look butch.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's got his leather vest, he's got a shotgun. He really enjoys doing this. He's not a Disney guy. He just happened to walk through there or whatever. He really wants to be shooting those clays. I think that the Lindsay Duff protest too much. This is TMZ who's doing this? Tmz.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know that guy sounds like an acolyte of Glenn Beck.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he's Young Turks. That's from Young Turks. But it's TMZ that put out a call. In fact.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, TMZ is out of control.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're opening up a D.C. office that. No, they're smart. They're smart. Where is the show business? Fun. It's all in dc. I mean, where else can you get a story about Kristi Noem like this? Shocking photos have leaked from an online fetish community that allegedly feature Brian Noem, the husband of former Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem. The Daily Mail obtained hundreds of messages purportedly sent between the former Secretary of Homeland Security's husband in and three women who are involved in the so called bimbofication fetish scene. Leaked pics reportedly show Brian wearing comically oversized lopsided breasts complete with fake protruding nipples. Other pictures show the South Dakota insurance mogul who has three children with gnome clad in pink hot pants and a skin tight flesh colored crop top. Did you see any of these pictures?

[Adam Curry]

You didn't see the one in the newsletter that you approved?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's exactly where I did see it. Yes, but that doesn't mean that you saw the them. Doesn't mean you saw the one who

[Adam Curry]

found that picture that went to the newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

I get these from Tina. Balloons made to resemble massive cockeyed bazungas. According to reporting by the Daily Mail, Brian chatted up women from the online fetish scene in which adult performers augment their breasts with massive amounts of saline to achieve a Barbie doll like appearance. Representatives of Christie told the Post the the former DHS chief was quote devastated by the salacious allegations of her husband and that the family was quote blindsided by this. In a 2022 interview with Elision, Kristi Noem said that their family was an open book and transparent. The Daily Mail also spoke with national security experts who said the existence of the scandalous photographs could have made Christie the subject to potential blackmail threats. Former CIA officer Mark Polymeropoulos told the outlet that the photos could be a quote, tantalizing lead for a hostile intelligence service. Cockeyed Bazungas potential show title.

[Adam Curry]

They're like the ones that. That. Yeah, the shop teacher.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. Do we still. They may be their friends.

[Adam Curry]

You know, there is a number of websites where you can buy that crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

How would I know?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know. Tina would.

[John C. Dvorak]

Uh huh huh. I wonder, do we still have clips of that teacher? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever happened to that guy? I think they bought him off. He probably walked away with a lot of money.

[John C. Dvorak]

He might have because. Because he was. He was totally playing that. Playing that up, like, oh, what's wrong? How come I can't identify as a woman?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I thought I had a clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't remember the other.

[Adam Curry]

The other angle to this. Of course, that I don't have the clip I should have had. It is Kristi Noem testifying and refusing to answer questions about having an affair with. What's his name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, we had. Yeah, Mimi had those.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She gave it to me. And I don't dropped the ball there, but she's having an affair with. What's that guy's name? He was in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Corey Lewandowski.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Corey Lewandowski. I guess. She having an affair. You say that and. And then she wouldn't answer any questions about saying who's. Tabloid. Tabloid. You know, we can't get into this. So. She's screwed up too, you know, she. She's no good. She was not good from the get go. And I'd say the same thing. The next one they're talking about, there's Bondi, there's gossip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bondi.

[Adam Curry]

Gossip. Yeah, gossip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gossip. Yes, I heard. I saw the gossip. Bondi.

[Adam Curry]

Bondi. Yeah, Bondi.

[John C. Dvorak]

Every.

[Adam Curry]

Gotta go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody's up for being fired. Everybody. Is that Rubio? No, no, not Rubio.

[Adam Curry]

And Vance, he's got solid people. Where's that?

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean there's. Where's Vance? No, Vance.

[Adam Curry]

Cut. Vance is like a hitman. He comes and goes. He hasn't done any hits.

[John C. Dvorak]

He hasn't done any hits. Any hits.

[Adam Curry]

He's around.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Rubio's.

[Adam Curry]

And then you got your. Your A game.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gay.

[Adam Curry]

He's also.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Scott.

[Adam Curry]

Talented guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

The gay. The gay General Pat.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's talented.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a very talented. Tina's like, is he gay? Like, hello. He has a handsome husband and they have handsome children. Just saying they look. They're a handsome couple together.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you put good looking people together and their children come out beautiful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see, how does that work? Work? Okay, well, I got lots of stuff. But you. So do you. And how are you feeling? If, if you don't mind me asking. How, how. How are you?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I like a little.

[John C. Dvorak]

Little.

[Adam Curry]

I still have not got a normal sleep in. In. I'm. I'm short a couple hours today, so I'm kind of. I don't sound great.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you sound better than you sounded Sunday. For the first hour you sound a lot better.

[Adam Curry]

You said I livened up on Sunday. What was the deal?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you livened up after the first hour. Then. I don't know. I think you pushed through some barrier with your voice because you sounded a bit like Soros. It was somewhere between Kissinger and Soros.

[Adam Curry]

We're not going to do that because it's not the way to do things.

[John C. Dvorak]

So how do you feel in general?

[Adam Curry]

General, I feel terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is there any improvement? I mean.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, there's a lot of improvement. Some stamina improvement. It's a terrible thing to go through.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, I mean, no kidding.

[Adam Curry]

I should have a couple more horror stories.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. You don't have any, you know. You heard this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, one element of the whole thing that was not discussed is during the procedure I had a collapsed lung.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you did. See, now your, your memory is, is shot because we talked about that on the last show.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, nuts. Yeah, nuts, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

So I got a lot of fluids, you know, I. And they don't let me drink water, so I'm kind of parched, which doesn't help my voice. That's part of, part of the problem, by the way. And so I get this kind of. I kind of enjoy having that a little bit. But if I could do Alex Jones, I think Alex Jones is going to be a lot better than yours by the time I'm done.

[John C. Dvorak]

Frogs unlikely.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I can do it. I can do it. I can do it. I can do it, everybody. I can do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's unlikely. We did. We get. Did get some good news as your Health and Human service secretary along with Dr. Oz. It's the tag team, the MAHA tag team. They heard your complaints. The other announcement that we're making today is that Dr. Oz sent out a health and safety notice. Every hospital in this country at 11 o' clock this morning, asking them now to align their food purchases with the dietary guidelines in order to enjoy continued activity. Eligibility for Medicaid and Medicare payments we're going to bring all the hospitals in the country in line with good food. And this is not something that we need to force hospitals to do. They want it. They want it. We talked with them. They need the incentive. And this is going to help them with their procurement companies, the fact that it's now essentially a federal mandate. But it's, again, it's something the hospitals wanted, it's something that they needed. And we want to do this very, very quickly. As Dr. Oz pointed out, food in hospitals is so uniformly in a. Yeah. So uniformly sucky.

[Adam Curry]

We have one of our producers.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't think this is going to happen? He said, he said if you want Medicare money, you've got to, you got to get, you got to get brand name jelly.

[Adam Curry]

You can't. Well, you can't. That's as far as it's going to go. You can't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how do you know that? Why, why are you so. Why are you so negative, bro?

[Adam Curry]

Well, a couple of things. One is I, not that I, I'm very affable in the hospital. Never been in the hospital before, but I keep walking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Affable? You mean I'm affable, like you're nice. Yeah. I don't get that on the show. Where's that? Where's that?

[Adam Curry]

I'm nice. I'm also, I'm nice. And I always have a one line. I mean my, my first, for the first, I don't know, a couple of days, they kept rotating people in and out and my one liner was always the same. And they'd cut. Someone would come in, the new shift nurse, the shift sub nurse, the nurse practitioners, whoever nurse, one after the other after that. And they always check your pulse and do all this stuff and charge Medicare and for doing it over and over and over, over. And every time they'd come in, they'd introduce themselves and say, how are you doing? And I'd always say, I'm in the hospital.

[John C. Dvorak]

And did they think that was funny the 20th time you did it? I thought it was funny.

[Adam Curry]

That was funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was good.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, if I didn't get a laugh, I would have stopped doing it. But I did it about, I'd say a hundred times. And so, so in the process, the food thing would come up in the, in the, in the conversations and I'd bitch and moan about the food, complaining I can't eat it. And it's just, you can't swallow it. It's like eating, you know, sand. And so, so they say, oh yeah, yeah, it's not good. They'd all agree with me, except one nurse who said, oh, no, I think the food here is great. You've never had the food at the va. Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You, you, your memory.

[Adam Curry]

I told this story. I just remember telling you. No, I remember telling this story before. I associate.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm worried about this. They did something to your memory.

[Adam Curry]

The reason I'm telling this story is because you asked specifically why do I think this isn't going to happen? And when, when she said that, which I've said it before, when she said that, I realized that institutionally it can't happen because it's not good. Because they don't care. And if you like the food from the va, there's a lack of care. Now, we had one of our producers wrote a long, long, very nice note about how he took over a hospital and started actually turning it into a profit center. He took over the, the cafeteria because everything was canned. It was all from Cisco or worse. And it was. There was. They didn't make anything there. They couldn't even, you know, get. You didn't even. They couldn't even slice a pat of butter. You had to buy it pre cut. I mean, it was a nightmare. And it, and he, he could do it. He says it's doable, but it takes a maniac to do it. There's no impetus, no impetus whatsoever. This is never going to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you heard it here first. Guy stays in the hospital once in his life and now he's an expert.

[Adam Curry]

That's right, I am. Believe me. I studied the process.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, millions of experts around the world, particularly in America, you can tell if

[Adam Curry]

you go into a company. You've done this. You can go into a company and you can, you can see the corporate, corporate culture is no good and it's not going to change.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, you're probably right. You're probably right. No, that's too bad. Unless you get a guy like that guy, our producer guy. He should.

[Adam Curry]

Our producer. Our guys are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, our guys know how to run a hospital cafeteria.

[Adam Curry]

But he gave, he gave up and went do something else. Make more money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. There you go. Our guys just want to make more money.

[Adam Curry]

Money.

[John C. Dvorak]

So back to other experts around the world, particularly in the United States, are rejoicing today. If you're a ballistics expert, you're rejoicing today. We have breaking news about the bullet that killed Charlie Kirk. There's a new court filing in the case of Charlie Kirk's alleged assassination. Lawyers for the man accused of short shooting Kirk say the bullet doesn't match the gun investigators say was used in the crime. Prosecutors say beyond that bullet, they have DNA evidence that connects Tyler Robinson to the shooting. It happened back in September. While Kirk spoke at events on the campus on Utah Valley University, Robinson's attorneys are asking to delay his preliminary hearing. They want more time to review evidence. Robinson has not yet entered a plea. Prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty. CBS News legal contributor Jessica Levinson says this is not unusual. It is sometimes difficult to match bullets that were recovered at autopsy with bullets that are associated with a defendant's gun. And that could be based on lack of evidence and lack of markings on those bullets. Hmm. Hmm. This makes it all very skeptical.

[Adam Curry]

The bullet shattered.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no. That by itself was not possible. No. The bull's gonna shatter as you've gone through. It's a 30 odd. So 30 odd six. 30 odd six. You go right through them. Candace Owen shooting back to the top of the podcast charts on YouTube.

[Adam Curry]

Is she really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, people love her. There's women here who are four. It's 4pm I'm sorry, I turned my phone on silent. I'm watching Candace. It's time for Candace. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder if Candace Owens ever realized what a natural presenter she is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, she's very natural at it. Yeah, she's very good. She's nuts, but she's very good at it.

[Adam Curry]

She's nuts, but she is very good. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So something really cool happened in the world of big tech and AI as Anthropic accidentally leaked the source code.

[Adam Curry]

Or I talked to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go ahead.

[Adam Curry]

I talked. I talked to JC about this this morning to get it straightened out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, shall I play the clips and then you can give me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, play the clip. Well, I can like. Well, yeah, this short.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is one of those YouTuber guys. So I'll just give you the. The synopsis. They published a new version of Claude Code and application, but the way they did it is they accidentally included all of the source code. Yesterday, the most ironic thing ever happened. Anthropic, a $380 billion startup built on the idea of safety first that advocates for closed source software for the supposed benefit of humanity. A company Elon calls Misanthropic, whose logo is definitely not a sphincter, whose CEO has been warning us for years that human programmers will be replaced by AI in six months. It just accidentally leaked Claude Code's entire source code to the Internet at 4am officially making anthropic more open than OpenAI. I love this guy because he's kind of. He's like a young jcd, a little snarky, and he throws in the whose logo does not at all look like a sphincter. And then you have to look at the logo like, yeah, you're right, it does look like a sphincter. So here's how it happened. But how did this code end up leaked in the first place? Well, as I mentioned, the source map was accidentally packaged in an NPM release. But that's weird because build tools normally strip out source maps automatically. Well, Claude code is built on Bungees, which as you might recall was recently acquired by Anthropic. And it just so happens that about three weeks ago, somebody opened up an issue on GitHub about Bung JS serving source maps in production. Wouldn't it be ironic if the fastest JavaScript runtime in the world also turned out to be the fastest way to ship your entire code base to the Internet? And so while that is all relatively interesting, I mean, I'm not like running off to go fork the code. I don't know if I can do anything with it, but I had no, no, no later than a few days after I said that this whole AI run these models locally. It's the new Tamagotchi boom. Like there's a hidden capability under a feature flag called Buddy, which appears to be a new Tamagotchi style companion that every developer can customize and raise like a little digital pet. This might just be Anthropic's April Fool's Day joke, but there are also references to Opus 4.7 and a new model called Capybara, which might be their next new, recently teased Mythos model. There's also things like Ultra Plan Coordinator mode and Demon Mode, but perhaps the most interesting is Kairis, which is a Greek word for an exact moment in time or God's time. I hate to beat off a dead horse here, but it's a bit ironic that Anthropic didn't get to reveal Kairis at the exact time it wanted to, and instead God chose the right time. The feature itself seems to be some kind of background agent that keeps a daily journal, uses Dream Mode to consolidate memories, and does work for you in the background on a specific schedule. They're pretty cool. But at the end of the day, this leak is a pretty huge setback for Anthropic, which hopes to IPO later this year and offload their bags to the retail public. And it's yet another reminder that your top secret application is just one NPM Publish away from becoming open source, whether you'd like it or not. So my takeaway is this is not really a big deal. It kind of shows that, you know, it's all about the prompting. And this is a big piece of code that they've, they've refined for their prompting. The Claude code is quite fantastic, I have to say. The way it interacts with their model, I don't think it's going to hurt them in any way. What did J.C. have to say?

[Adam Curry]

He says this is exaggerated. It's not the re. There's. There's pieces of what they're doing that was not, Were not broken out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out.

[Adam Curry]

He says there's a battle within the company to put some of this stuff open source anyway, and it's possible they put it out there because they need to get some feedback and, and it's. He basically said it's bullshit. And it's also distracting from the Mercur hack, which is a, which is apparently a massive hack that these guys are doing AI training using experts. You should look into that. That and their stuff, all of it got, got released and it turns out they're breaking the law. There's all kinds of violence. It's just a whole slew of problems for this company that's being. Nobody's talking about that and they're talking about this anthropic thing and it's not important.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is Mercur?

[Adam Curry]

You gotta look it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so you can't tell me.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I can tell you it's a company that it's are cor. Yeah, yeah, they, they, they train AI using experts to train the. I mean, it's, it's a completely different approach which is very effective and unfortunately it's all, it's all gone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is not unfortunate. This is great. The, the more.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it is great for everything. For me.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like the more this stuff is open source and we can run it at home, the best.

[Adam Curry]

Better.

[John C. Dvorak]

I see it as fantastic. And there's no stopping this. I mean, these Chinese models they keep coming out with.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, and by the way, according to jc, what happened would happen at Mercur or Mercur. The Chinese will gobble up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And they'll make a compressed version of it stuff. You know, it's quite fascinating what you can do with this stuff at home. And that's. And that's where this whole bubble is going to pop. I'm not against these models. They're definitely good uses for them. I mean, I. Now I finally loaded that model the 11 Labs voice. I have canceled my subscription. They lost me as a customer because I can run it at home on a Raspberry PI with an old graphic GPU from Nvidia Media, an old one that someone gave to me. I'm not making ISOs with it. Don't worry. But still, it's like, why should I worry? Because 11 Labs is your go to.

[Adam Curry]

I've moved on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, Oracle, who are big in the data center game, they are doing whatever they can to keep raising money through debt to keep building data centers, which I think is a big mistake trying to bounce off some session lows here. Let's get to our Seema Modi with a news alert on Oracle. Hey, Carl. I can confirm from two insiders that Oracle is laying off thousands of employees. Notifications were sent out today. It comes as the company continues to double down on its massive AI bed, developing and leasing data centers across the country. As we know, it's gone to the debt market to fund these bets. Now looking at another option by reducing its workforce as a way to drum up more cash. In fact, There was a TD Cowan report last month suggesting that 20 to 30,000 layoffs would free up about 10, around $10 billion. So I look into this story like, well, who are they firing and why are they firing? And most of these companies, well, you know, AI is so efficient, we don't need any more, we don't need programmers. So we'll just get. That's what everyone's using now to as an excuse to unload employees. But in Oracle's case, I came across this clip Indian news source. It's kind of believable. Fire the Indians, because just days ago we told you that tech giant Oracle was planning mass layoffs. And now that moment has arrived. Tech giant Oracle Corporation has begun a mass round of layoffs across its global office. Employees in the U.S. india and other regions are reportedly receiving termination emails. Toady with many informed that the same day would be their last working day. There was no prior notice, no HR call and no discussion with managers, just a formal email from the company leadership. Well, there is no official confirmation yet on the scale of layoffs. Posts from individuals claiming to be affected or aware of the situation suggest that multiple teams in India may have been impacted. Some users alleged that entire team saw significant reductions, while others claim that even managers were not informed in advance about

[Adam Curry]

who would be let go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Teams across multiple divisions, including key tech and operations units, have reportedly seen significant job cuts, with some teams losing nearly 30% of their workforce. Oracle's India operations, including its development centers, have also been impacted, with employees across

[Adam Curry]

roles and levels affected.

[John C. Dvorak]

The company has offered severance packages, but only after employees sign separation documents. For India, the severance is expected to follow the standard N plus 2 formula, while unvested stock benefits will not be paid.

[Adam Curry]

Reports suggest that this could be one

[John C. Dvorak]

of Oracle's biggest restructuring exercises, with estimates indicating up to 30,000 job cuts globally. The move is being linked to the company's aggressive expansion into AI infrastructure, which has significantly increased financial pressure. I think it's valid to say that you can get rid of a bunch of Indian programmers. That seems pretty valid. Yeah, get rid of them. 20,000 of them. What's wrong, Phoebe? Why are you barking?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I have a few clips now. All right, let's start with the Kid Rock clip. You heard about this, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

I've heard about it. I somehow was able to avoid it. Good night to break headline after those US Army Apache attack helicopters hovered over Kid Rock's house, the performers saluting them tonight, what's now happened to those army pilots? Let's get right to Martha Raddatz. David Tonight a major reversal. Early today the army said they had suspended the four crew members of those Apache attack helicopters which were seen in that video doing a low level flyby in front of the home of singer

[Adam Curry]

Kid Rock in Nashville.

[John C. Dvorak]

He can be seen scene waving and then saluting the crew. The army saying they take any allegations of unauthorized or unsafe flight operations very seriously.

[Adam Curry]

President Trump, who is a friend of

[John C. Dvorak]

Kid Rock's even said they probably shouldn't have been doing it. You're not supposed to be playing games. But shortly after the President made those comments, Secretary Pete Hegseth said on X the US army pilots suspensions lifted. No punishment, no investigation. Carry on patriots, he said and thanked Kid Rock. All right, well I have some personal experience with this but your commentary is welcome.

[Adam Curry]

You know it was goofy. They probably shouldn't do this stuff. It's a waste of the taxpayers money.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I went to Iraq in 2003 and we were there with the Dutch Marines. We made one excursion. It was about a six hour drive to Basra base and that's where the Dutch heli detachment was and they were running all the Chinook helicopters and so we hung it without we were doing documentary we're filming, we're doing live radio show from Camp Smitty in Samawah province and it was known that I had my helicopter license. I was flying helicopters at the time and I Holland and so these guys like ah you know, we'll. We'll fly you guys back. Now, I cannot confirm or deny if they let me fly the helicopter 150 foot above the deck. But anyway, so you make friends, you know, you make friends.

[Adam Curry]

So you got to fly a Chinook.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't confirm or deny, but, yeah. Heck, yeah. You know how that works? It's the easiest helicopter to fly in the world because there's no torque. There's no counter torque because of the two rotors, right? So you don't have to, you know, coordinate your feet with your pool. And so what they do is they. They have a GPS moving map display, and they overlay a piece of plastic. You know, like one of those. For anyone who remembers the overhead. The overhead projector. What's that called? Was it called the overhead projector where you put the slides on the.

[Adam Curry]

They were called overhead projectors.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. The cellophane. And you'd have. And those would be transparent foils. Foils. Foils. Oh, man, you got to go look that one up, kids. To see what we. What we had before you had video projectors, we had a box of light, and you put a foil on it that had, you know, drawings on it and letters, and it would project up to a mirror, and the mirror would then project onto a screen or the wall, and you'd move these foils.

[Adam Curry]

The good old days.

[John C. Dvorak]

The good old days. So they had one of those foils, and they had a line on it, and he said, just follow the line. You had to go 150ft because if you're any higher, the RPGs could get to you. That's what they said. So I'm flying 150ft. It's. It was like a video game. It was so easy. And then it's like, okay, you're gonna do 40 degrees right. Three, two, one. So did that. Anyway. Did the whole thing. We landed our. At our base, but we became friends. And when I would fly from the castle, oh, the days were good. When I had money, we'd fly from the castle up to Amsterdam because I had a helipad at the house. Oh, man, I miss having that. Anyway, spent it all, burned it in the air. And I'd fly past the helicopter base, and so sometimes I'd come out with two Chinooks, and they'd fly side by side. I'm in my little helicopter. And sometimes they say, okay, we're forcing you to land. We're forcing you to have coffee, okay? And so I'd land at the base, but from Time to time, they would come over the house, over the castle in Belgium with the chinook. They'd open the loading bay door and they'd wave, and they'd be waving. And it was incredibly destructive because plants were flying all over the place. Koi were flying out of the pond. And it was fun. And I was like this. It's not really wasting any money. They're in the area, they just fly by. They go, hey, Curry. And they wave and they fly off. So then you know why this is such a big scandal? I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

It's like it's Kid Rock, you know, every Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, they hate Trump. Yeah, that's true.

[Adam Curry]

Which brings us to the other scandal. I might as well get to this one. Update on the ballroom.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Troll Room was like you had Coyote Ballroom update. A new stop work order from a federal court on President Trump's passion project, the White House Ballroom. That order halts construction unless Congress approves the plans. The administration quickly appealed. The President clearly frustrated. Basically, he's saying, I need congressional approval. And he's so wrong. Judge Richard Leon had granted the request of a preservation group with a pointed message for the builder in chief. The President of the United States is the steward of the White House for future generations of first families. He is not, however, the owner. The ballroom is never far from the President's mind, publicly balancing his wartime duties and construction management.

[Adam Curry]

I'm so busy that I don't have time to do this, but fighting wars and other things, this is very important.

[John C. Dvorak]

His vision, gigantic, with seating capacity for up to 1,000 guests. The cost swelling to $400 million. Privately funded, he says buried below.

[Adam Curry]

The military is building a big complex under the ballroom.

[John C. Dvorak]

This new legal fight, spurred by that October surprise, the destruction of the East Wing and its century of history wreckage. Without the typical oversight, the federal judge writes the President went too far.

[Adam Curry]

No statute comes close to giving the

[John C. Dvorak]

President the authority he claims to have. And Kelly o' Donnell also live at the White House tonight for us, Kelly, construction continued today, though the judge does allow that they can finish up projects so that they don't leave the city site unsafe. Well, the President said the entire project is about safety and he suggested they can keep going. I can't wait until this thing is finished. The ballroom. I think Marco Rubio is going to get the boys back together.

[Adam Curry]

That would be good for a dance,

[John C. Dvorak]

put on a show, for a little show. Well, there was a follow up to this, which was always kind of half conspiracy, half like, well, makes sense. And Carolyn Levitt had to answer the question in the briefing room. Can you tell us more about this massive military complex underneath the President's new ballroom?

[Adam Curry]

I cannot tell you more about that, actually. As a matter of fact, however, the

[John C. Dvorak]

military is making some upgrades to their facilities here at the White House. And I'm not privy to provide any more details on that this time.

[Adam Curry]

Upgrade. Upgrade. You know what that means? Under the White House, the military is already there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

With a bunker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, I don't think that was a surprise. Was, was it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I. Yeah, a little bit,

[John C. Dvorak]

kind of expensive.

[Adam Curry]

The White House. The President lives there. What is, what's going on underneath the, in the basement?

[John C. Dvorak]

Important stuff. Well, the, the first. Have you not watched Paradise? Don't you know how this works? I love that.

[Adam Curry]

Paradise.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's probably one of those shows you watch 30 seconds and went, it's on Hulu. The second season just. I think the second season is almost over.

[Adam Curry]

What's it over about?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, massive event. Volcanic. Volcanic eruption. And then everyone starts shooting off nukes at each other. And some billion Silicon Valley billionaires had built an entire underground city in a bunker in Colorado in the mountains. And the President and these billionaires all go there and there's, I don't know, 20,000 people and they live in a bit of a. What is it? What was the movie with Jim Carrey?

[Adam Curry]

Truman Show.

[John C. Dvorak]

A bit of a Truman show world where there's a fake sky and they have, you know, they've got Waffle House and they all live their little lives, but people on the outside survived. And so then the people on the outside trying to get on the inside and it just goes on from there.

[Adam Curry]

But it sounds far fetched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not really.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you say oh, not really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean the whole world underground was, was pretty elaborate, but it's a pretty good show. I mean, you know, what else are we going to watch? Well, exactly, Chinese television. Like you to learn how to speak Chinese. How's that working out?

[Adam Curry]

Mandarin?

[John C. Dvorak]

Mandarin? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Awesome. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also yourself.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so have you heard the Matt Gaetz stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

All right, well, now you're going to hear it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good.

[Adam Curry]

Matt Gaetz on Aliens.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think the most important information will be the biologics that are not human that have been discovered. And like even some of the briefings that aren't classified just need to be out in the public. I mean, I had someone come and brief me who was in a military uniform, worked for the United States AR that was briefing me on the locations of hybrid breeding programs where captured aliens were Breeding with humans to create some hybrid race that could engage in intergalactic communication. An actual uniform member of the United States Army. Brief me on that. What the f. Is going on? Look, wait a second. You had whistleblowers tell you this kind of thing?

[Adam Curry]

Do you. Please unpack that.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a four minute clip. We playing the whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I thought I broke into two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I have a number two. Well, you tell me when to stop. There's. There is a number two. That's 30 seconds.

[Adam Curry]

Stop it there. Stop it and play number two.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean non human biologics like this? Well, that was the testimony of David Grush before the House Oversight committee, which I joined. And the testimony was that in crashes of craft that had been recovered by the CIA and through a special program that the CIA had for crash recovery, that it was in Germany, just, you know, the, the hard materials. It was also biologics, but that they couldn't identify a human source of those biologics. Nah. David Grush. Isn't he the guy that makes Alien movies? Let me check. I'm pretty sure that's the guy. Yeah, he, He. He says he's a whistleblower. But hasn't he been working making movies for. For, for, for over a decade?

[Adam Curry]

The whole thing is sketchy.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is. I mean, I, I mean, look, I flew to go meet an alien one time. I was all in on this stuff. I've only been disappointed time after time after time.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're gonna meet in a. This is not during the show. Yes, the show era.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

You were gonna meet an alien.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was promised.

[Adam Curry]

You were all jacked up about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, and.

[Adam Curry]

And cocky, I might add.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this was in my, My second wife days. Or was it my first still?

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember. No, no, no, this was before your second wife.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, go on.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I was just going to say I wanted you to confirm that was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was around that time. I remember I had the airplane.

[Adam Curry]

So you had a lot of stuff. And you are also a big believer in spraying water into gasoline or something?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, I had a hydroxy booster which created hydrolysis and that created a gas automobile efficiency.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. And. Yeah, that was that era. And then because of the alien guy not showing up, you bummed out on the whole thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, because I got screwed once again. I'm not buying it anymore.

[Adam Curry]

This is what it looks like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, got screwed on that deal.

[Adam Curry]

Well, so the whole thing is going on around and around because. It's because of the Spielberg movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, do you have a clip, is there? What is the Spielberg movie?

[Adam Curry]

Is the last year that. Remember that movie, Disclosure? Oh, they're going to blow the lid off everything. Had all these people.

[John C. Dvorak]

That wasn't. That wasn't a Spielberg movie, though. That was.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I'm just saying. I'm saying last year, Last year there's a movie called Disclosure, and it was. Or something like Age of Disclosure, some damn thing. And they had all the Rubio was in the movie. Oh, yeah, I know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I.

[Adam Curry]

They told us that there was aliens. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's one guy after another. Just the bogus testimony. No evidence, no photos, no alien autopsies, no nothing. The whole thing. And so now this year, Spielberg's got a movie coming out just shortly, really, called Disclosure Summit thing. You can look it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm looking it up now.

[Adam Curry]

Spielberg's movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

So hold on a second. There's got to be a trailer. Let me see Spielberg.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know if the trailer's out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Closure trailer, maybe. Usually these things. If you're talking about it. Here we go. Three weeks ago. Here we go. Let's see.

[Adam Curry]

I got that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Secrets. The data they paid me to protect. Oh, he's got special access. Are they people? No, they're aliens. What? Oh, no. Crop circles. They got crop circles, man. Remember the crop circles?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

In England, every day, every week, there was a new crop circle. And I was all in on that, too. Like, these are real. John, this is not something.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you were. You were quite convinced.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. And people miss that about the show, but what can I say?

[Adam Curry]

I know. That's why I'm bringing this in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, please.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen to this some more from director. Good morning. Let's take a look at Today. Oh, no, she's having a brain freeze. Let's. Today, she's stroking out. Is it a vax injury? Oh, no, no. Oh, no. Her head is changing. What's happening? Oh, no. It's about to explode. Oh, the nuns are watching. What? Understand what she's saying. Okay. I can't wait to watch that one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, dog.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exciting.

[Adam Curry]

So I have a very long clip here that I, I, I didn't intend to be. Put it in the show. But it's about Spielberg.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And. And there's this hack, this guy. Hack. Probably not really a hack, but this guy, Peter Duke, who's been a showrunner, he's been in Hollywood forever and he's on the Ripple Effect podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a popular podcast.

[Adam Curry]

It's very popular. I think it's well done. They hate Jews and they get standard stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's your go to

[Adam Curry]

that kind of thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

But and, and what's your podcast about we hate Jews? You know, stuff like that. You know, that's our podcast. That's what we do, man.

[Adam Curry]

It's simple. Doesn't take a lot of effort. So they had this guy on talking trash about Spielberg and I thought what got interesting if you, I think the first minute and a half you play this Peter Duke ripple effect. If you play the first minute and a half. He claims with some justification that Spielberg has always worked for the Pentagon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, it wouldn't surprise me.

[Adam Curry]

Let's play this on the show. Richard Grove he did a great documentary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Still one of probably my favorite documentaries and one I recommend quite often. A State of Mind, the Psychology of

[Adam Curry]

Control, which really goes into the whole

[John C. Dvorak]

history of social engineering and how far back it goes. And these techniques have been used over and over again to control the masses. I guess when you talk about that, it kind of highlights what you're saying in regards to the Zionist movement. Got a lot of shit from religious people. Peter Joseph But I think one of the things he was trying to highlight in this first film was the fact that you can use religion to control the masses. Right. He was kind of opening up, talking about all these techniques to control the masses from false flags and these events that sparked dark emotion and empathy and revenge and then use that like September 11th to go into Iraq and Afghanistan. Or you use spirituality, religion, scripture, this higher power idea to convince you that you're doing something for the greater good. So yeah, these are all techniques to control people. Somebody else we brought up quite a bit and I wanted your thoughts on it because it's complete left turn. But I'm kind of curious. You talked about Steven Spiel's birthday, Spielberg. What do you think of his new movie? Disclosure or Disclosure Day? There's a lot of conversations about why he's doing a movie like this. I know he's always kind of been. People say he's always been fascinated with the topic. Do you think it's just him being fascinated with the topic or is it more like you mentioned, is there a reason for the timing? I think Steven Spielberg is part of the Pentagon and that and he's very good at what he does. I mean one of the things that they're very good at, the office of net assessments, I think goes out and assesses people. People. Right. And I think that Steven Spielberg was assessed as very competent at what he does because he is very competent at what he does. And. And it's funny because when I worked at the Show Foundation Institute, my title had been at every other company that I worked at, Creative director. But I wasn't allowed to have that title. And I wasn't allowed to have that title because Steven doesn't believe that creativity is human. He believes that it's a gift from God and that you can be a design director, but you can't be a creative director, which I always thought was. So. He's very specific about words, but now that I'm so specific about words, I totally understand where he's coming from. But I've had several friends who were personal assistants to Steven Spielberg in different capacities, but, like, in the room with him every day, you know, following him or around taking notes, getting stuff done. One of my friends told me that he was working at Amblin, which was down the drive. I was at stage 35, which doesn't exist to this day, but in the 1990s, when I was working on the lot at Universal. Yeah, yeah, I worked when I worked for Joel Schumacher.

[Adam Curry]

I hate that.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, well, wait, wait.

[Adam Curry]

You can stop it there, but you have to let this finish because he has a really good story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. In the producer's building, which is next to what they call the black tower in the front of the studio, is the problem.

[Adam Curry]

He's doing a Shaggy do. Hold on, people out there who do. If you're going to start doing podcast, Mimi does this. You. You get to the point. He's getting to the point, but all of a sudden, now he's talking about this and that. He's roaming away. The shaggy dogging the thing. It's annoying.

[John C. Dvorak]

So do you want me to shuttle forward?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, keep. Now you can play. Now that I've warned everybody, they can put up with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

When I worked at Gameworks, I worked on stage 35, which was an old sitcom stage. I mean, was. Was my story too Shaggy Dog? I didn't think that was too Shaggy Dog.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, not at all. When you do Shaggy Dog, I. Believe me, you. You, you know, noted my. My displeasure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. It was in the back lot, close to where they have all of the outdoor scenes, set sets, and it's just down the drive. The reason I was on that stage is because it was just down the driveway from Amblin, and Amblin is a building that Lou Wasserman built for Steven Spielberg. After, I think, Jaws came out. Lou Wasserman didn't want Steven Spielberg to ever leave Universal. And he basically built him a little palace on the back lot at Universal, which is still there to this day. So my friend who worked at Amblin told me that they used to ask the same question that I asked when I worked in the Producers building, which is, how do they decide what movies they're to going to make? And he told me about an event that happened where Stephen went and was gone for a couple of weeks and met with some people and he didn't go into any details about who the people were, but at one point Stephen called into the office and they had an all hands meeting and everybody came into the conference room and everybody at Amblin came into a conference room with their yellow legal pads and their pens. And Stephen was on the speaker for phone and he told them what the nine projects were that they were going to do that year. He just dictated them out. We're going to make a movie about this. We're going to make a movie about that. We're going to make a te. Television series about this. We're going to make a television series about that. And everybody got their marching orders and then they went and they made those movies and made those TV shows. So that story to me makes me think, well, he was getting read in, you know, he was meeting with the Tavistock people or. Ah, the Tavistock people. You mean the, the trans people.

[Adam Curry]

No, let it finish. It's almost done.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know this. Literally five and a half minutes you owe me.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, that's why I said you had to break it up by hand.

[John C. Dvorak]

He gets his marching orders from and they tell him this is what you're going to go make. These are the movies and the TV shows that you're going to make. Why don't you just go on that podcast? I mean, you're playing a podcast on a podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Okay, so the point he's trying to make, which you won't let him finish.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll let him finish. I think that's the way it works. I think that's the same way it worked with Chris Carter and the same way that it works with Mark Burnett and with Sam Ismail and all of the other showrunners. Who's the guy who did Buffy the Vampire Slayer. These people get marching orders. Oh, I get it. The Jews and they march.

[Adam Curry]

Not the Jews. And I mean a more general view. I agree with this.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's talking about Shlomo and, and Weisenheimer and all those.

[Adam Curry]

I'm telling you, these, these. How did these things get? Who picks what and how? You know Brunetti. I sent him this clip, and he was. He had not. No pushback on it. He was offered to go to one of these meetings. Meetings and given marching orders. He's just. He's Brunetti. So, no, I'm not going.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is not surprising. Is this surprising to you?

[Adam Curry]

Well, a little bit. For a guy like Spielberg.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, he's the top guy. Think of. Think of all the movies he's done that have been important for social engineering. Absolutely. Oh, no, it doesn't. In fact, I think this is why OpenAI had to shut down Sora. It's like, shh. You can't do that. We can't have everybody psyoping everybody else with movies. You got to shut that stuff down. And what did they do? Oh, look, we got a great camera for you, Hollywood. I'm convinced of it. You've got to stop that. We can't have people making their own propaganda movies. In fact, I got a clip here. Where's this from? This is from Gloria Global, the Canadian guys, and they're talking about the propaganda which is done with AI by both Iran or Iranian actors and America or American actors or Jews. I don't know. The propaganda war over Iran has taken a strange turn. The White House and the Iranian regime are trolling each other online in a war of memes, posting videos like these on their official social media channels. It started with the White House posting videos of real airstrikes on Iran edited together with clips from American action movies and video games. Even spongebob squarepants.

[Adam Curry]

You want to see me do it again?

[John C. Dvorak]

With captions such as justice, the American way and Wake Up, Daddy's Home.

[Adam Curry]

This obscene focus on lethality and the

[John C. Dvorak]

celebration of violence, this focus on a gaming culture where victims vanish from moral

[Adam Curry]

consideration is and utterly immoral.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tehran is now firing back. By the time a satellite finds me, I'm already gone. The regime's propaganda studio producing these animations, many depicting Lego figures of the US President, Israeli Prime Minister, and the devil, plotting attacks on Iran to distract from the Epstein scandal. A lot of this stuff would seem silly if it wasn't obviously such a serious situation. Is this stuff actually effective? I mean, I think it's effective in and functioning as rallying cries. We are talking about content that's been viewed in the billions. What started as a propaganda war between the American and Iranian governments has now spiraled into an online free for all with other apparently ordinary users deploying AI technology to produce not only memes, but deep fake videos of the war this video purports to show an Iranian attack on the US Navy in the Strait of Hormuz. Well, this one claims to show Israel's airport being struck by an Iranian missile.

[Adam Curry]

Both are fake.

[John C. Dvorak]

The use of AI is just shedding doubt everywhere. So it's making things more believable, but it's also making things not believable in the sense that anything and everything can be edited or fully AI generated. This parallel information war is blurring the lines between real and fake. So this is. This is the real issue at hand. And the video stuff, yeah, you know, movies is. Is definitely the way to go. Remember, the CIA was all over the Moscow Music Peace Festival, and I didn't even know it at the time other than I got interviewed by some dudes who came into. Into my manager's office and said, are you going to Russia? Russia, stay away from hookers. They're all kgb. Stay at the hotel. You don't want to go anywhere else. You want to be careful. But as it turns out, that was, you know, listening to the Winds of Change podcast. That whole thing was a psyop to get kids to get ready to bust out when the wall came down. And they, you know, we all know that it was David Hasselhoff who premeditated that. But the real psyops is social media. And if we believe him or not, here's a blast from the past. Steve Pechenik. Ah, we haven't talked about him in a long time.

[Adam Curry]

Is this recent?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. This is from. From back in the day when we were still talking. Steve Pechenik was quite explicit in telling me that DARPA had been experimenting with social networks. Now, probably not the way we have them today. Today, but online social networks, probably more along the lines of news groups, stuff like that, and maybe even America online. And the CB simulator to see how.

[Adam Curry]

The CB simulator.

[John C. Dvorak]

The CB simulator, how that was CompuServe, how you could manipulate people and how you could have multiple actors online, you know, talking for and against each other other. And the social media networks of today are a gold mine. It's just a gold mine for. For this type of operation. I see it all the time on my X account. And you'll see people who are saying things. People bots. I'm convinced 70% of them are bots. And they'll be commenting on comm. You go look at them, you know, no followers numbers in the name account from 2016. Like, okay, yeah, that. That makes sense. Sense. And this was. This was the subject of a bit here On Deutsche Welle. What looks like real online debate during elections could be AI. Researchers warned that networks of AI agents might coordinate disinformation campaigns during elections, flooding social media with propaganda autonomously and at scale. In a recent study, scientists tested this on a simulated social platform similar to X. They created 50 AI agents. Some acted as regular users and others as operators with the goal of promoting a fictional candidate. They tested three scenarios. Agents with just a goal, agents who knew their teammates, and agents that could plan strategies together. The key result? Simply knowing who was on the same team was enough to create coordinated behavior, behavior almost as effective as planning together. What followed looked like real online conversations. Different opinions, replies, and growing support around one message. This is very different from traditional bot campaigns. Older bots follow simple scripts, post this, retweet that which makes them easier to detect. But AI agent systems behave more like real users. Even though this was just a simulation, the implementation implications are real. Such systems could shape public opinion and increase division in the elections to come. And they may be way harder to detect because it's not just about what individual accounts post, but how networks of accounts act together. And whether platforms can keep up is still unclear. Now I'm convinced this is taking place.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you don't have to be convinced.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, and none of it's to going good.

[Adam Curry]

Well, how different is that? What's the difference between that and having like in Russia or Ukraine or wherever, a. A building full of people on the computer acting as, you know, as one under with marching orders, say 500 people under the get making X amount of money and all they do is post all day.

[John C. Dvorak]

This cheaper.

[Adam Curry]

Think it's cheaper?

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I think the AI is cheaper. Yeah, it's a lot cheaper.

[Adam Curry]

But it's the same thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but, but you know, they can do it 24 7. They can micro target stupid podcasters. Hey, let's get after that curry. Yeah, let's do that. He gets all worked up and he does a voice. I'm telling you.

[Adam Curry]

Somebody said that. Do you?

[John C. Dvorak]

What? No, I know people say that all the time when people eat. Email me read this in your libtard voice. That, that's the one I'm not gonna read. Okay, that's not how it works. Anyway, no psyops here. And with that I want to thank you for your courage in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in the cockeyed bazangas. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C.

[Adam Curry]

Well in the morning you, Mr. Adam Curry. Also in the morning, all ships at sea. Boots on the graphene, the air 7 the water names are nice out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

8 in the morning to the trolls. We got 1404. 1404 trolls listening live to us as we speak. And what? What?

[Adam Curry]

It's not that good. Well, we're losing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you know you're not that good. You know, you're. You're not up to strength. You know, you're.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's true, but it doesn't mean they have to abandon me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they abandoned you right away. The minute Mimi could came in like, oh, well, that was fun while it lasted. Stupid Dvorak has nothing to do with Mimi. It's just you, you know, it's bad for the show. It's the truth. And have you contacted void0 about the. About the email?

[Adam Curry]

Working on it. Working on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Working. So that's.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, you know, I'm. I'm running at 50%.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, I'm the first one to say I'm amazed that you're doing this show at all.

[Adam Curry]

No, I appreciate that too.

[John C. Dvorak]

At all. People forget and they. They. They forget. They have no idea. Your. Your chest was cracked open. You're going to be 74 years old on Sunday. So, you know, it's. You're not, you know, wretchedly old, but it's, you know, it's a. It's a big procedure, and within a week of coming out of the hospital, you're like, here I am. I'm doing the show. I appreciate that. I do. I also think that you need to do the show. It's a part of your healing process.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, it gets me. Yes, I do.

[John C. Dvorak]

So support John if it's only just to keep him alive. This is the whole point of the newsletter.

[Adam Curry]

Support the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Support the show. Support the old man living. Those trolls are [e-mail] and they are. Many of them are trolling along in the troll room. It's always much appreciated. And of course, you can always listen on a modern podcast app. This is what we recommend, because then when we send off, when we fire off the bat signal, you will be notified. And if you're in the car, if you're.

[Adam Curry]

Some of these modern podcast apps are pretty. They're pretty elaborate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Have you tried any of them? Which ones have you tried?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I've podverse recently. Very impressive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait until you see podverse Next Generation. Mitch has been building on that for over a year. And Martin's come back with the Pod friend. It's a friendly podcast app. It's very fun. And he has all kinds of comments and stuff you can do. And this. The people just keep building. They keep on building. All part of podcasting 2.0, which I just do for the love of it. Now you can listen. Tomorrow we do the show live. The boardroom, we call that about 400 people who listen total. So these modern podcast apps, when we go live, this is, you know, something we develop. Then boom, you get a notification and you can listen live to the show. Or within 90 seconds of publishing, you will get the show in your app. No waiting for these legacy apps. Don't wait around for those anymore. That's newpodcastapps.com no Agenda show has pioneered the value for value model. And the way that works is we don't have any ads, we don't have any forced subscriptions. Gosh, there was a great post. Someone showed me the other. I forgot where that was. I should have saved it. You know, there's no bonus content that you get if you're a member. You know, no special meetings, you know, no special handshakes. Everything is out in the open. We give you the best that we have, which is really only 50% because John is slagging so well. I mean, with my hundreds, it's 75%. So we can do better. But, you know, bear with us. He'll get back to speed. He'll be as grouchy and grumpy as always, and he'll be pushing back more. I mean, you're not pushing back. This is the. The main complaint. You let Adam get away with everything now. Well, okay, I'm just saying. I'm just giving you some feedback. Show feedback.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder who said that.

[John C. Dvorak]

People. Just people. Bots. Bots. Bots on X. So the way we do it is value for value. We give you all the value we have as. And it is everything. We put it all out there. All the value we have. A lot of work goes into the show. John. John came loaded for bear. Did you get some clips from. From the clip Collector? From Steve?

[Adam Curry]

I have a net. I have. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Because I encouraged him to do that, and he's helping me out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Adam Curry]

And I have to. I have to. It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I noticed.

[Adam Curry]

I have to organize, get together with him so I can. So he uses my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your system. Your naming system. Yes, I recognize his num. His numbering and naming system.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, his.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now the clip Collector, he's making decisions over which clips to give me and which clips to give you. That's nice. So the way I see it, he gave half of the clips to you. Actually more than half.

[Adam Curry]

He gave me a lot of clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

He did. He did. Very nice. Well, this is what I'm talking. So that's one of the ways you can return value. We consider everybody who's listening to the show not to be a fan or audience or listener. You're producer. This is something. We do it all together. So your job is to help us produce. And you can do that by returning value in one of the three T ways. Time, talent, or treasure. That's all we ask for. So helping produce clips, boots on the ground, reports, or we have artwork, which we always appreciate people doing their best to come up with some prompts that make it. Make it fun. Now, the episode 1855, which you did on Sunday was titled Gooder. There's no way we couldn't use that. And this piece of art, a lot of people came in with Gooder Arts, Gooder Art pieces and totem poles. Totem poles were a big hit for some reason.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so we had to.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I got a note from one of our producers. You're full of crap. The totem poles aren't only in Washington and bc. We have them in Alaska.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the same basic group of Indians, First Nation people. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, whatever. So Dan Obi, just old enough and having had a heart attack, I can say what I want, you know you can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you ever tried this on your kids? You've given me a heart attack. I mean, you should try that.

[Adam Curry]

It's a little too late now.

[John C. Dvorak]

You could say you're giving me another heart attack, Dan. OBGYN4 is the one we chose. We liked this one. It had a lot in. It had John's Order of the Red Heart. It had a microphone. It had 33s, had a. Would look to me like a Mac plus baked into it and then curry Dvorak totems behind it. The whole thing was good. The clouds, no agenda. Do you think this was completely AI or did he. Did he do some work to it?

[Adam Curry]

I think it's completely AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's dynamite. It's dynamite, I tell you.

[Adam Curry]

But he nailed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

He did. Let's take a look at some of the other pieces that people sent in. As soon as he had.

[Adam Curry]

He had another version of. Of this which wasn't quite as compelling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, with this. With like this. That looked like Super Mario Brothers. I didn't quite like that one. The one I kind of. We don't do our faces. I Did, like, Scaramanga's version of you with tats and a white T shirt, and you had a bandana. And on the wall it says, no agenda is gooder. I kind of like that one. One that was kind of cool. But we don't really like using our faces, our likenesses.

[Adam Curry]

Can we explain why?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think you've forgotten. I've forgotten. Why? Why? Is it a copyright violation?

[Adam Curry]

No. The first three or four years of the show, every single piece of art was just the two of us in various poses. Oh, yeah, it was us. Every. Every. And it was getting to the point where it was like, no, no, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got sick of ourselves. We were sick of ourselves.

[Adam Curry]

We got sick of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we.

[Adam Curry]

We banned it. We said, no more pictures of us because there's at least a thousand.

[John C. Dvorak]

And people still do it. They don't know about the ban, apparently.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we know it's banned.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's banned. And but. Comic strip blogger, keep doing the buts. You know, you're not going to get chosen. But it's always. It's always fun. We can say. Oh, you did point out that comics are. Vlogger nailed your walker on his piece here. Yeah, with the. With the hand brakes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

How you doing with that thing? Are you getting around?

[Adam Curry]

I only use it when I'm out. You know, when I'm out. Here's the reason you have to have it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you're out hitting on the lady.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, lady.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, girls.

[Adam Curry]

Because you had your chest ripped open and you're. And you have the breastplate and everything has to heat deal it. They glue it back together and staple it and all this. It takes like, months and months to get it to the point where it's secure. So if you fall. If you fall under the circumstances where that I'm currently existing within, you have to be taken back to the emergency room. They're gonna.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're gonna have to screw you up.

[Adam Curry]

It breaks it open.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we don't want that.

[Adam Curry]

So that's why you have this little. And I only use it outside if I have to walk around. And I can walk pretty fast. But it's not the walk. It's not the problem. It's just the accident, the possibility of a trip. And they. In fact, they tell you this at the hospital. If you fall within. Within the next four months, you don't know. Don't let anyone try to pick you up, call 911. That's. That's the nature of it. If that doesn't drive. Drive you to grabbing One of these devices, nothing will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there you go. Now the more horrors.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Horrors. More horrors.

[Adam Curry]

No one. Nobody wants to hear this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Super bad because Tina went to the P.O. box, and she got our little John's candies collab with Eli the coffee guy. Gigawatt, which you can't have either. You can't have chocolate or coffee, right? Oh, man, that stuff is so good. Good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know. That's what everyone was saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

And has little cherries in there. And they sent us some chocolate Easter bunnies. Also. Who's the joker who sent us the pool water? Did you get a box of pool water?

[Adam Curry]

I did not get a box of pool water.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's artisan pool water. They're like metal kind of aluminum bottles. This is like a novelty thing. It's water. It's just water from the swimming pool. Well, that's. It's called pool water. So, yeah, that's kind of. It's funny. But they sent it in a box marked media mail, which I believe is intended for stuff of, like, media, like photographs.

[Adam Curry]

It's a discount.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, right. And so Tina picks it up. I wish I was there. The Pakistani lady got in her face. You're stealing from me. Tina's like, what are you talking about? Talking about you're stealing. This is stealing from the post office. Is stealing from me. And she's like, well, this is. I didn't order this. Someone sent it to me. Well, next time I send it back or I charge you. She got really mad about it. And, well. But it's from one of my husband's millions of listeners. Well, I don't care about him. What is he? Podcast. I go away. So don't do that. People don't. Don't rip off the post office. They got. They got mad at us. The recipient. Not supposed to do that. Yeah, you're not supposed to do that. I guess I didn't know. But. But it's. Appreciated the pool water, but almost as much. Not as much as that Little John's Candy's gigawatt stuff. It's a dynamite combination. So we want to thank all of our producers who support us financially. That is the treasure part of time, talent and treasure. And we will thank everybody. $50 and above. We have special special spots reserved for those who can afford more. Just like any big hollyw, you can be an executive or associate executive producer if you got the goods. So $200 or more. You receive the title of associate executive producer, which is an absolute bonafide production credit. You can use it anywhere. Hollywood credits are recognized including IMDb.com, go take a look. You'll see thousands are in there. And we'll read your note. $300 and above, same deal only then you're an executive producer and we'll read your note. And we start off with $1,333.13 from SIR Anonymous driver of the gap. And he says John, glad you're getting better. I can't deal with another loss this year. Oh goodness. We lost our son in the third trimester late last year. And this month we lost our 4 year old puppy unexpectedly. The podcast is a constant that I truly love and look forward to. No more losses, only additions in this year ahead. With one extra exception. No more AI ISOs. They cheapen the product. He says he wants F22 Karma, which I'm sure he he won't mind if upgraded to F35 karma. And when I'm thinking of you Sir Anonymous driver of the gap.

[Adam Curry]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey your. Is your foot hooked in the mic cable again?

[Adam Curry]

No. Lindsay Carson and re Resaca Resica. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Georgia Resica probably Resica.

[Adam Curry]

Could be Resaca Resaka. I'm thinking. Anyways. 86765. Another big donation. That's pretty good. Dear John and Adam, ITM gents, this day has been a long time coming. Please de douche me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's a D. Sorry, it's wrong.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wrong button.

[Adam Curry]

Play that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? The one I just played? Yeah, hold on a second. Let me. Let me load it up again. Here we go. Here's a D. Douche for the redouche. It was D Douche for the redouche. Yeah, it's my mistake.

[Adam Curry]

I have now finally paid my value for value penances with a name worthy donation. Coincidence that I made the largest sale of my real estate career in the same way week in the same week that JCD returned from the lucid dead? I think not. My sister Lauren and my friend Alex both hit me in the mouth a very long time ago. And I'm grateful for all things. No agenda. I can hear my voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

You want me to pick it up? Because this is a long.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to finish this one.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to. I'm going to plow through.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can do it. You can do it.

[Adam Curry]

I really can't overstate state how transformative the learning Live media deconstructed deconstruction has been for me. I just graduated my oldest daughter from homeschooling and having the show's coverage of a political and world events and especially all the wild stuff happening in schools has been a huge part of keeping me determined to stay the course with her and with her two sisters.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course you don't want your kids to be nut jobs like the rest of the out there.

[Adam Curry]

Yep. The lifeline the show became during COVID also stands out in my experience. The show jargon, jingles, ISOs, mixes, and inside jokes are a constant source of entertainment and make me feel like I'm part of something special.

[John C. Dvorak]

You are.

[Adam Curry]

But my favorite story arc in the time I've been listening is witnessing Adam's faith conversion. What a testimony. Anyway, zzz. I am beyond thrilled that I will. I don't know what that that means. Oh, anyways. Anyways, okay. I am beyond thrilled that I have a chance to celebrate the 11th anniversary of my 33rd 33rd birthday this year by attending my first meetup with my sister and fellow human resources in Fredericksburg. I'd like to be known as Dame Lindsay of the House Hunters. And if any of the no Agenda nation needs a realtor in Northwest Georgia, Google me. And let's connect Rose and hot Cheetos for the round table jingle requests. A foamer and you've got prayers and you've got prayer should do it. Thank you for your courage, Lindsay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh my God, listen to that horn. You've got prayers. Let me see. I don't think I got the. Did we guys, did we order the Cheetos? The Cheetos and the Rose.

[Adam Curry]

They always have Cheetos. They eat them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cheetos and hot Rose. Okay, and that was 86765. We see what you did there. Associate executive producership for Sir Nobody of the 3D Printer in Parliament, New Jersey. 233 and 33. Hey, John Adam, he says I'm seeing 33s everywhere, so I must be grateful and donate. I figured I'd plug a friend's Kickstarter. I was at it. I was at it. It's for a movie follow up from the makers of Missouri Breaks the Ballad of Missouri Bilturn, an indie film that made it to Amazon streaming. Oh, we should all stream that then. The Ballad of Missouri Bilturn. I like building up small projects to get through the nihilism that has seemed to have inhabited Mainstre Media for some reason. Tinfoil hat people have fun with why nihilism is going on where even shadows fear to tread. Phase one. That's the Kickstarter I'll put that in the show notes. Thank you as always for the show. It breaks up the long hours of logistics work with two jobs that are 24 7. Sir. Nobody of the third 3D printer. Definitely working on a title change. Got to look up the account Jersey James Scott and we thank you very much for your courage.

[Adam Curry]

Onward to Matthew, our buddy Matthew Martell in Brumal, Pennsylvania. The employee retention rate at Martell Hardware is less than the no Agenda email newsletter Open rate come on Void Zero please help JCD visit Martell hardware.com use coupon code sir exiles-mania maniac sir exiled maniac for an additional 10% off your order. JCD Hot Pockets Hot Pockets.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think it's Void Zero's problem.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then we go to La Jolla Salt Corporation.

[Adam Curry]

Void Zero is not doing the mailing.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's not doing it. I thought he was going to help you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's going to help me, but it's not. It's beside the point we had. There's a lot of. There's a lot of things at play all at once.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. It's a lot of things at play. La Jolla Salt Corporation comes in with $210.60 and we are very thankful. They say decimate dry skin with a luxurious sea salt scrub from la jollasal.com Enjoy the dazzling moisture and exfoliating power of our small batch sea salt scrubs and handmade by the sea in the village of La Jolla. All things being equal, select to scrub, rinse and then tug to avoid chafing. People, please support the show. It's good to have you back. Buzz kill. Happy birthday. Thank you for your courage and go podcasting.

[Adam Curry]

All right, I'll read this one. Eli the Coffee Guy of course in Bensonville, Illinois who has that coffee 242 might not be a coincidence at Artemis 2 launched on April Fool's Day and is being pitched as our return to the moon a little too on the nose. Nonetheless, I wish the lunar travelers God speed is the perfect feel good distraction from Iran, high gas prices and the usual background noise. Maybe the moon shot still works as a national therapy for coffee that's out of this world. Visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your first order. Stay caffeinated. Eli the Coffee Guy and look who is back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, how about that dame Tanya Wyman from New York, New York with $201. It's good to see your name on the list. Tanya, we hope you're doing well. And she says jcd get well and happy birthday. Sending many soft hugs because I can't squeeze that chest. Ladies, stop squeezing the podcast host. This one brings me to Countess level. Plus an Associate Executive producer credit. Well deserved. Put me down for the Countess of New York City. John, when you can drop drink again, I'll buy you something fancy. You bet you will.

[Adam Curry]

Fancy, fancy, fancy. The niloupetkin in Lakewood, Colorado. 274 cents jobs karma. Your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets results, go to Imagemakers Inc. Com. Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership, results and impact. That's image maker Zeke with a K. And Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of Winning Resumes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Jobs. Let's vote for jobs. We got a few more people to thank who did not make the title range, but Dame Rita, she's always there from Sparks, Nevada 174.74 that's for your birthday, John. Oh itm she says cheers to another birthday. Thank you both for the best podcast in the universe. MFDX of Anjou somewhere in California 14355 he's glad that you're back, John. He's afraid that Adam would eventually start prodding Mimi for Milton burroughs stories. Hey there's Mark Pugner from Los Angeles, California. $100.33 Baron Lattiquin with 100 from Houston, Texas. Sir Fa Ian Beck of Shifwood, 4, Forest Vista, California 100 thank you so much. K the Woodlands Kay from the Woodlands in the Woodlands, Texas. 8888 welcome back JCD spending another Sunday night listening. Wish I could listen live and interact. I've got thoughts. Mark Hardwick Alito, TX 8888 Happy birthday, he says. Baronet Sir Fat Dad $80.08. It's a boob donation from Baronet Sir Fat Dab Fat dad and our official Archduke of Luna, Lover of America and boobs Kevin McLaugh from Concord, North Carolina. And as always, he gives us a boob donation and says God Bless America and Boobs Anonymous in Columbus, Ohio. 7747. Thanks for all you do. Happy Birthday John Bauke Overbosch in Leo Warden in the Netherlands. Happy birthday John7747. Happy to have you back and to hear you are going strong again, says Bauke. Brian keefe, Sierra Vista, Arizona glad you're still here. Happy birthday John at 77. These are all 77. 40. 47, sir. Mainframe, Ventura, California. And that's a switcheroo to Jimmy Brown as he's no longer a douchebag.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

James Powers, Carnegie, Oklahoma. Happy birthday, JCD Jonathan Ferris, Liberal, Kansas. Sir. Salvaron, Silver Springs, Maryland. Best wishes, John. Shake a leg, but don't break a hip. Sir. Hold my beer. Happy birthday, J.C.D. he's from Austin, Texas. Richard J. Lindquist and Squim, Washington. Glad you're back, John. Went through the same thing nine months ago. You'll notice the milestone improvements with a big one at 12 weeks when your sternum stops moving around. And at six months when you realize how good you feel. We got stuff to look forward to. Carl Snyder, Lake Bay, Washington. Four more years. Glad you are still among us. Dwayne Gambetta in Glenolden, Pennsylvania. And he says, hey, Martell Hardware, start a Delco meetup. Okay? That's from Del. The Delco Douchebag. Scott Ma in Gallatin, Tennessee. Also 7747. Listening on and off to you for approximately 15 years. This is my first donation. He says, oh, you need a deep.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, my wife's birthday is April 5th. My birthday is September 1st. What are the chances I'm September 3rd? Close. That woman in etobic. Etobecoke, Etobicoke, California. I've never heard of.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't either.

[John C. Dvorak]

7747.

[Adam Curry]

And then that's not in California.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Maybe it's Canada. Canada? Well, it shows up here.

[Adam Curry]

That's why we never heard of such a thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Simon Bennett, Ipswich. That's in the UK Happy birthday, JCD Glad you're around for another one. David. Ho money. Ho money. He's ho.

[Adam Curry]

Ho money.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's Ho money. Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. Happy broken birthday, John. Glad to have you back and are praying for you. Jason Shepard, this is 7488 from Trinidad, Colorado. Happy birthday. Welcome back, John. 74 for the birthday. 88 for continued improving health. Duke, sir. Dr. Sharkey, St. Peter's Missouri. 7474. Happy birthday, John. Glad you got your ticket fixed because I need about 15 more years from you both. ITM Kevin McLaughlin again for the birthday. 7474. 1856. Happy birthday, JCD Donation. God bless. Bless y'. All. Jonathan Peckham, Bristol, Rhode Island. If I could donate more, I would. He says, 7474. Baronet, Baylor Grafton, Wisconsin. Happy birthday, John. Could you also add a belated Happy birthday to my Human resource number three. Anya turned seven on March 24th. Baronet Baylor, aka Sir Camera Chris, Cocoa Beach, Florida okay. P.S. check out my Twitter for sweet pics of the Artemis 2 launch. Sir Hugger of Kitties. There he is in zombie Dumb Hug more kitties. Feel better soon. Health karma for both of us. Put that at the end. Happy birthday, idiot. He says. That's very nice. Sir Latte of Bremerton. Happy birthday, John. Glad you didn't die. Certifiably Tal. He's in Berlin. Regardless of whatever the name shows up, this is from Certifiably Tal. Tal from Berlin. All right. Forgive me for the recent douchebagger. You are forgiven. 7474 from Sarah Gardner from Wilmington, North Carolina. Happy birthday, John. CV Hawk, Wellington, New Zealand. Happ birthday JCD. Keep up the good fight. Ryan in Tampa, Florida. Happy birthday, John. They couldn't take you out that easy. Dame Dana Carroll, Laughlin, NV 7227. Jeffrey Paul, Fergus Falls, MN 5790 8. For JCD's birthday, Brian Furley, Double Nickels on the Dime. 5510. Dame Tracy and Sir Canebrake, St. Georgia, LA. 55 10. And his birthday is on April 2nd. Noted. We got it on the list. John Bassano, Madison, Alabama. 5272. Dame Nancy, San Bruno, California. 5244. Happy Easter. John and Adam Love from Dame Nancy. Rick Seatti, Longhorn, Pennsylvania. D. Douche me.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yes, you've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

And producer Paul comes in from Kobenhaven in Denmark. A call for all the Danish producers to donate 333.33 Danish kroner, which is about 35 bucks. And come to our meetup. He wants an F cancer. You know, I should probably an F cancer for you. See? Where's our F cancer? Here we go. His mom brought her to Hospice yesterday. First of April, her 70th birthday. We're hoping she makes her birthday brunch on Sunday and then goes quietly without pain, praying for her. Producer Paul here. The 50s. Tony Lang, Castle Pines, Colorado. Daniel LeBoy, Bath, Michigan. Christian Grulich, in Winter Haven, Florida. James Sheremetta, Napano, New York. Ichi Kitagawa, San Francisco, California. Micha Kemmerer, Snohomish, Washington. And that's it. Those are the 50s. We see you 49.99. We will not mention you for reasons of anonymity, of course. That's the way we always do. It here at the no Agenda show. And we thank everybody for supporting us. In particular, our executive and associate executive producers is very much appreciated. You too can support us with your treasure, your time, your talent. Go tono agenda donations dot com. We take Bitcoin. We take Circle stablecoin. We take anything you you got for us. Just think about what the show is to you. Is it valuable? What kind of value is that? Turn that into numbers. Send it back to us. No agenda donations. Oops. NoagendaDonations.com. And here they are. You heard some of them. Baronette Baylor. Happy birthday to his Human resource number three, Anya, turn seven of March 24th. Sir Cambridge celebrates today. Scott Mathewson happy birthday to his wife, April 5. Same as John and Chris Knowles wishes his smoking hot wife, Allison Knowles a very happy birthday. And we say the same happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. There we go. So happy to see her back on these lists. Dame Tanya Wyman from New York City. She ups her level on the peerage ladder. She's now the Countess of New York City. And you better call her that when you see her. So good to hear from you again, Dame Tanya, Countess of New York City. We do have one dame for today. That's Lindsey Carson. So I know how you are with your blades. Can you still.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. I got the portable.

[John C. Dvorak]

The little teeny one. Yeah, it'll do it. So, Lindsay Carson, step up here on the podium. You're about to join that very exclusive club of no Agenda knights and dames. Because of your support and the best for the podcast, the universe, the amount of $1,000 or more, I am proud to pronounce the Kate V as Dame Lindsay of the house hunters. And for you, we have, well, hookers and blow, but certainly rent boys and chardonnay and box request rose and hot Cheetos. What a combo that is. Please enjoy our beers and blunts. We got some cow growth and coffin garnish, geishas and sake, baka Manila bongheads and bourbon, sparkling cider, nescorts, ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and pablum. And as always at the round table, we got your mutton and your mead. You, you are brand new. Dame should go to noagendarings.com let us know what size ring you need. Give us an additional address to send it. We'll send it off to you accompanied with wax, sticks of wax. You can use that to seal your important correspondence and of course, certificate of authenticity. Noagendaring S, everybody. Else if you want to support the show. Noagendadonations.com I missed a note on the previous episode but we didn't receive. The Note was a $500 donation from Sir E61 Black Sheep and he says, yo Adam. The videos I've sent acknowledge the north side Nexus heading to Kuwait when the company can get me in boots on the ground when I get there. Ants and rev Al then smoking hot wife. I didn't see all of this. Thanking God. What?

[Adam Curry]

It's like code.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, it's, it's ants is. That's, you know, that's. I got ants.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, what is happening here? Hold on a second. Let me see. Ants got ants. Okay. I can do this on the fly, isn't it? What is that called? Jcd Ants. Ants. Where's your ants? There he is. Ants. What else does he want here? He wants boogity. Boogity, boogity. Okay, Boogity. We'll give you a boogity. I can do it. Now what's the rest of your note here? Thanking God for all he's done. Every day I thank him for another day. Then it's for my friends and the service members. Mimi was out. Actually better. But John being back is a warm blanket. Love you both. John get Jesus. Hope to meet you both. Sir E61 Black Sheep and he will play a little bit of the ants and then we'll roll it out with a boogity boogity boogity for your wife.

[Adam Curry]

I got ants.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got ants. And thank you again to everybody who supported us atnoen Agenda donations dot com. Now, we don't have any meetup reports today, which is always sad to say, but there is a meetup taking place in North Carolina at 6 o' clock today. It's the northern wake. No agenda counter North Sea Nexus planning committee meetup. And that'll be at Saints and Scholars. Go check them out. They're always fun there in North Carolina. And on Saturday, the Osaka Castle cherry blossom viewing and Amygdala Shrinking Meetup 1:33pm in Osaka, Japan. I'm looking forward to a meetup from those guys and gals coming up in the month of April. The 11th is gonna be Big Eagle, Idaho. Are you gonna make it to the Albany, California meetup? Joshua, you're going to make it.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to try.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're going to try with your walker.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm not going to. I don't need. Won't need the walker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you do.

[Adam Curry]

You don't want to fall Brennan next to me. That's, you know, you take a rolling. It's not normal Walker people, you know, unless you see the picture that comic, comic strip blogger did. It's, it's, it's awkward in a public environment like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is.

[Adam Curry]

Couldn't do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember, ladies, we're move out of the way.

[Adam Curry]

I'm coming through.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember, ladies, we're looking for you to dress up as hot nurses for the picks. Lafayette, Louisiana, also on the 11th, and the big Fredericksburg, Texas meetup will be on the 11th. And I will be there along with Tina the keeper. Charlotte, North Carolina on the 16th. Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 18th. Franklin, Tennessee, the 18th and 19th. Indianapolis, Indiana. Vancouver, British Columbia on the 19th. Scheveningen in the Netherlands on the 25th. Brighton, Michigan on the 26th and April 30th. Leipzig in Saxony. That will be in Deutschland. Hello, Deutschland. This is just a few of them for the next few weeks. You can go to noagendameetups.com to find the entire list of everything that is going on with the meetups. People who go there get connection that truly deliver protection. The people you meet at the no agenda meetup will be your responders and your first responders in any kind of emergency. Go to no agendameetups.com if you can't find a meetup there, which is pretty easy to do, even easier to start one yourself. Check it out. No agenda meetup. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days you wanna be where you won't be triggered on hell.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, before we get to John's fabulous tip of the day. That's just fabulous. Tip of the day. I got a couple isos to go through. Do I see you only have one? I have four, so why don't I try mine? What's that?

[Adam Curry]

Blame at one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your one. I have an appointment with Anywhere but here. That's actually not bad. It's not bad. I have an appointment with Anywhere but here. Okay, here's what I have. It's amazing to think that they're on top of this thing. Call back ISO Everybody who loses gets a punch podcast. Okay, maybe it was great. Yeah, it's a classic. And then. This is so good. All right, I'll let you decide.

[Adam Curry]

I think so good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you like that one, huh? This is so good.

[Adam Curry]

All right. Or that or the trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the trump is kind of classic. Everybody who loses gets a podcast. I kind of like that. I kind of like that one.

[Adam Curry]

All right, go for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, then we'll go for that one. In the meantime, Stan back, it's time for John's tip of the day. And sometimes Adam.

[Adam Curry]

So you know he had that, the tip about the honey. Manuka Manauka honey. Sure, yeah. The one honey in the world that's got a composition deep within the honey that that's somewhat different than all other honeysuck. Well, it turns out, and I probably known about this years ago, I probably wouldn't had the heart attack. It turns out that of course you could have dramatize that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, right. Keep going.

[Adam Curry]

That there's an olive oil that has. That there's a one spot in the world that makes an olive oil whose composition includes a lot of polyphenols that are healthy for the heart and anti inflammatory, inflammatory that are part and parcel of the oil itself. And you can go all over the world. And everybody should note that olive oil is not just from Italy or Greece or Spain. Most South American countries make it. And I always recommend trying it because you have different flavor profiles. California has terrific olive oil, by the way, and France has terrific olive oil. But this health oriented olive oil, which is also cheap because nobody knows about it and it comes from a kind of a lower income area. It's from Morocco. So it's Morocco olive oil. And the one I've been using is Atlas, which is available on Amazon for a liter for 24 bucks. Rather medium priced, not expensive at all. But Moroccan olive oil, you can do a little research and you'll find out about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So is this. So I've heard, correct me if I'm wrong, that you are indeed in the final completion stages of a cookbook.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And family cookbook.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's a family cookbook. And I understand that you are folding the vinegar book into the family family cookbook.

[Adam Curry]

So I. And I understand that somebody in the family obviously tipped you off to humiliate me to get back to work.

[John C. Dvorak]

And will you be including some olive oil tips in this family cookbook?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there's a whole chapter on olive oil. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what is. Do we have a name for this cookbook yet?

[Adam Curry]

The Dvorak family cookbook.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, what?

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

No one can pronounce that. They'll be like, I want that cook.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well you come up with a good name and we're gonna use it.

[John C. Dvorak]

The family that cooks together stays together.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's some truth to that.

[John C. Dvorak]

There is. Everybody, your tip of the day. Noagendafund.com tipoftheday.net. And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnetti. Yes. Cooking with Dork. Cooking with the dorks. There's some other ideas.

[Adam Curry]

Cooking with the dorks. There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some good ideas coming through on the troll room as we speak. Family tastes good together. The gooder cooking book. Okay. Cooking in the morning with the Dvoraks. Yeah, whatever. The buzzkill cookbook Bible. Hey, we got Planet Rage coming up next. That's Darren and Larry and. And keep those. Keep those ideas coming. I kind of like that. I like seeing those cookbook ideas. And we will return on Sunday. On Easter Sunday. That's right. We work on the. The high holy days because it's John Son's birthday too, and he has resurrected. He's back. We're happy to have him. End of show mix is from the one and only Darren o' Neill and MVP with a whole bunch of jingles in yodeling format. We look forward to seeing.

[Adam Curry]

Love the yodeling one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the yodeling is good. Look forward to seeing you all then. Please remember [e-mail] coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country where we're going to have a meeting meet up in one week from. From Saturday. In the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from Northern this. I go again from the refinery. Oh, I've lost the whole plot here. My voice is gone but I'm not. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adios, mofos. He's back, he's back. JCD is back sure he had a heart attack but JCD is back,

[Adam Curry]

He's

[John C. Dvorak]

back on the mic bumping it too Spewing the tips of the day for you he's back, he's back. JCD is back sure he had a heart attack but JCD is back don't call it a vacation or he might just kick your ass. Ooh, we are all just doing Grateful that JCD is back he's back, he's back. JC is back sure he had a heart attack but JCG is back. Donate now to give him a reason to live. AI or not AI. In the morning wake up to a bingo China is ash or screaming from the pocket of my Parker Got a Mac and cheese life and a goat scream too Wild broker wonders what a bunch of scumbags do Boogity boogity boogity Amen. Bomb them again let's robberize it all then Coincidence? I think not. The science is inherited for the gitmo nation and the glitch within Love you mean it even if her head is gone we're living the Mac and cheese life until the break of dawn. Can you see that juice? It's beautifully upper body. Don't be a Demeo or a hot pocket spum. I want to sell some seeds and I love bugs in my tea. Get out of my vagina and the you for me. Hey you elites. The little girl yay says yay. I'm in the wrong room and I'm git mound. Have more k way to news and sucking in suit from the shape shifting Jews.

[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

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