Season 5, Episode 3: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with Edward Pitoniak, CEO of VICI Properties, the REIT born out of Caesars’ bankruptcy that went on to become the dominant owner of experiential real estate in the world. Edward breaks down how VICI reshaped net lease at institutional scale, why gaming real estate proved more resilient than expected, and how skepticism turned into conviction over time.

The conversation spans VICI’s evolution from Caesars to the Venetian, as well as its expansion into assets like Chelsea Piers and Great Wolf Lodge. A clear look at owning mission-critical real estate despite shifting narratives.

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TOPICS

00:00 – VICI’s Origin Story
03:10 – Ed’s Path to the CEO Seat
11:06 – Caesars Bankruptcy and the VICI Spin
21:09 – Wall Street Skepticism Around Gaming
25:29 – Cap Rates, Net Lease, and Scale
31:00 – The Venetian Deal with Apollo
37:58 – Cycles, Pricing, and Operator Power
43:26 – Experiential Assets Beyond Vegas
48:26 – College Sports and New Sale-Leaseback Models
51:10 – Mission-Critical Real Estate

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