Season 5, Episode 2: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with David Auerbach, CIO at Hoya Capital and a leading REIT strategist known for his deep read on public real estate markets. David explains the current state of REITs, where valuations stand, which sectors are positioned for recovery, and how capital is behaving differently across public vs. private markets.

He highlights key themes shaping 2025–26, including liquidity pressures, balance sheet strength, and the growing gap between winners and laggards. David also shares what investors often overlook and how to read the signals that matter. A must-listen for anyone watching the REIT landscape closely.

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TOPICS

00:00 – Introduction
03:02 – Data Centers, Cell Towers, and Misunderstood REIT Sectors
05:02 – Media Narratives vs. Real REIT Fundamentals
07:03 – Why REITs Stay Cheap: Sentiment, Rates, and Risk Appetite
11:28 – The REIT Dividend Machine and Long-Term Compounding
17:01 – SL Green Case Study and Smart-Money Office Signals
22:40 – Sector Deep Dive: VICI, Vegas, Retail, and Data Centers
25:21 – NAV Discounts, M&A Activity, and REIT Consolidation
33:26 – Housing Crisis, SFR Growth, and Multifamily Cap Rates
43:18 – Mortgage REITs, Preferreds, and Signs of Market Turnaround

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