2026 NBA Draft Winners, Pistons' Targets & Brad Stevens Discusses Jaylen Brown

Summary

No Dunks Podcast: "2026 NBA Draft Winners, Pistons' Targets & Brad Stevens Discusses Jaylen Brown"

iHeartPodcasts | June 24, 2026 | Hosts: J. Skeets, Tas Melis, JD

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the 2026 NBA Draft—breaking down the big storylines, unexpected picks, and team strategies. The guys also discuss the Detroit Pistons’ ambitious free agency plans, the unique coaching hire in Portland, and dissect Brad Stevens’ latest comments on Celtics star Jaylen Brown.

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2026 NBA Draft: Big Takeaways & Key Storylines

(02:55–23:03)

Four Pillars of the First Round (04:00)

• Chalk at the Top: The expected “chalk” picks started the draft: Wizards took AJ DeBonsa (#1), Jazz selected Darren Peterson (#2), Grizzlies picked Cameron Boozer (#3), and Bulls grabbed Caleb Wilson (#4).
  • “Wizards took the Bansa. Jazz took Darren Peterson. Grizzlies went with Cameron Boozer. And Trey Kirby's Chicago Bulls happily took Caleb Wilson.” — J. Skeets (04:00)
• Point Guard Quartet: Next came the anticipated run of point guards—Wagler, Brown Jr., Acuff, and Kingston Flemings—picked back-to-back (#5–8), matching pre-draft expectations.
• The Michigan Invitational: The Mavericks triggered a run on Michigan Wolverines (Morez Johnson Jr. at #9), with other Wolverines (Yaxel Lendenborg, Adai Mara) going soon after (#11, #12).
• Minor Trades Galore: Later in the first round, several picks changed hands, but most moves were about acquiring second-round picks or shuffling spots rather than blockbusters.

Memorable Draft Moments

• Personal Connection: The hosts highlight how special it was to see Kingston Flemings (recent guest) get drafted to the Hawks at #8.
  • “We have never even sniffed that possibility of a guy that we interviewed just before the draft, drafted to the team where we reside.” — Tas Melis (05:55)
• Historic Note: AJ DeBonsa, the leading NCAA scorer, went #1—the first time since Glenn Robinson (1994).
  • “Seeing the guy who led Division One scoring drafted number one for the first time since the late 1900s.” — Tas Melis (07:53)
• Bidding Wars & Trade Value: Grizzlies kept trading down (“taking the overbooked flight voucher”), collecting five second-rounders by sliding from #16 to #21, yet still landing their target in Karim Lopez, the first Mexican first-rounder.
  • “The Grizzlies took the Delta overbooking voucher... and by all accounts, they still got the guy they wanted.” — J. Skeets (31:00)

Team Strategies & Standout Picks

Thunder vs. Spurs: Arms Race Out West (11:46)

• Thunder select Adai Mara, a towering 7’3” center, preparing for future battles with Victor Wembanyama and the Spurs.
• Spurs counter by picking Jaden Quaintance (a rugged 4) and Terrace Reed (backup center), all indicating both teams are strategizing for long-term West showdowns.
  • “Those two teams... sort of shoring up their rotations here.” — J. Skeets (13:36)
  • “The Spurs needed a 4 and Thunder just need a monster, a big player... It's Wemby time.” — Tas Melis (13:00)

Deep Draft, Fewer Reaches (16:09)

• Hosts note the draft was unusually “clean”—few questionable picks, lots of A or B grades, and minimal “reaches.”
  • “There’s like not a bad one... Everyone was like Yep, yep, good pick.” — J. Skeets (16:09)

Atlanta Hawks: Big Winners? (17:03)

• Hawks praised for grabbing high-energy Zubi Ejiofor (23rd) and pogo-stick PG Kingston Flemings (8th).
  • “Zubi at 23, plays harder than anyone in the draft... Kingston Flemings, most athletic of anyone.” — Tas Melis (17:03)
• Some question redundancy at forward with Asa Newell and Zubi—hosts note Zubi’s “tank” body gives Atlanta a new look.

Mavericks Go for Defense & Vibes (20:04)

• Morez Johnson Jr. (#9) surprises as the pick over other Wolverines—seen as a defensive stud and “culture setter.”
  • “Defensive stud... numbers are nuts, held opponents to 35% shooting.” — J. Skeets (20:48)
• Emotional highlight: Yaxel Lendenborg’s moving reaction to being picked by the Warriors.
  • “Axel was the probably the most tears. Most of these guys were pretty stoic.” — J. Skeets (21:47)

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Fashion, Production, and Fun Draft Details

(37:08–45:04)

Draft-Night Fashion

• Mostly “subdued and classic.” Standouts:
  • Darius Acuff Jr.’s red-tinted glasses
  • Mikel Brown Jr.’s baby blue/cream suit (“Lloyd Christmas” vibes)
  • Multiple players in double-breasted jackets

Best Off-the-Court Bits

• Hand-swapping of framed childhood photos on the ESPN set (not digital!), which the hosts found amusing.
  • “...the real MVP of the NBA draft was the ESPN PA in charge of going onto the set and swapping out those framed childhood photos of the player who just got drafted.” — J. Skeets (44:23)
• Longest clap of the night by a young fan (unknown pick), beating out Dusty May’s televised frustration/happiness saga.

Viral/Weird TV Moments

• Awkward on-air exchange on ABC: Richard Jefferson, Jay Williams, Kenny Smith ribbed each other, specifically referencing Williams’ motorcycle accident.
  • “People were like, whoa, this was awkward. And it was. But Richard Jefferson is also just awkward. It's just like how he is with his humor.” — J. Skeets (45:04)

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Pistons’ Offseason Targets & Team Building

(75:38–80:29)

Detroit’s Shopping Spree

• According to Stein, Pistons are tying their name to a long list of shooters and scorers: Norman Powell, Kobe White, Tyler Herro, Isaiah Joe, Trey Murphy III, Kyrie Irving, and more.
• Focus: Add shooting and a true second scorer next to Cade Cunningham.
  • “They all make sense... They need a second scorer, simple as that. They don't have one right now under contract.” — Tas Melis (76:17)
• Skeets: Postseason showed value in having a second creator/playmaker, not just finishers, around your main guy ( analogy: Thunder & Knicks’ playoff runs).
• Debate on fit: Tyler Herro is probably their best target as starting scorer; Kobe White more a 6th man. Hosts expect the Pistons to “overpay” if needed.

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Elsewhere Around the NBA

Portland Trail Blazers’ Unique Coaching Hire

(53:01–58:43)

• Mike Nori, longtime assistant, is Portland’s new head coach—but only on a one-year guaranteed deal with team options, a true rarity in NBA contracts.
  • “This is extremely rare for an NBA coach… it's like one year. Impress me.” — J. Skeets (53:44)
  • The guys joke about the “sliding scale” contract and Nori’s signature halftime jokes.
  • Unique in that this is not a full tear-down/rebuild team—pressure is higher.
  • Debate: Is this a “commission” job for a new NBA coach?

Celtics & Jaylen Brown: Trade Winds Still Blowing

(67:37–75:35)

• Brad Stevens gives a very diplomatic, noncommittal update on Jaylen Brown:
  • “I’m never going to predict the future... But how valued he’s always been—he’s been amazing.” — (read by Skeets, 67:37)
• Skeets: Stevens used “been” in the past tense, and did not deny Brown’s been shopped. He “feels even stronger” that Brown is on the market (68:56).
• Tas wonders how much Brown’s offseason social media activity has affected team dynamics.
• Skeets argues Boston may be proactively looking to move Brown while his trade value is highest, referencing disappointing playoff exits and looming extension.
• “I think he will be dealt. None of these comments changed any opinion of that.” — J. Skeets (69:36)

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Other Notes: Production, Trivia & NBA Culture

• Knicks and Nuggets traded out of the first round, indicating new team-building philosophies or cap management.
• The “processor” and “connector” labels for Bucks’ picks (Nate Ament, Braden Buries) set off a linguistics tangent.
  • “That's a word that we might be seeing in the NBA. We're like connectors, but processors, they just know how to move the ball and make things happen and follow the scheme.” — Tas Melis (35:09)
• Hans and Christian Andersen both picked by the Hornets: “a fairy tale draft.”
• A bit of playful life advice: Parents should preemptively take photos of their kids in all 30 NBA team jerseys as draft insurance (41:08).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Banter

• On the Thunder’s draft philosophy:
  “They just cycle in new guys... who are we to doubt this franchise?” — J. Skeets (16:09)
• On Grizzlies’ trade-down strategy:
  “That's what the Grizzlies did last night. I think they took the voucher…” — J. Skeets (31:00)
• On Celtics/Jaylen Brown rumors:
  “I feel even stronger about it... he’s been amazing. Talking in the past tense there.” — J. Skeets (68:57)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:55 – Show opens, recap plan
• 04:00 – Four main draft storylines
• 11:46 – Thunder vs. Spurs arms race
• 13:36 – Trade breakdowns, team needs
• 16:09 – Draft grades, few reaches
• 17:03 – Atlanta’s draft “winner” case
• 21:47 – Emotional draft moments
• 31:00 – Memphis' “overbooking voucher” analogy; draft trade value
• 37:08 – Fashion and production notes
• 45:04 – TV moments, viral clips
• 53:01 – Portland’s coaching hire
• 67:37 – Brad Stevens on Jaylen Brown
• 75:38 – Pistons’ free agency targets
• 80:40 – Tim Bontemps to Hawks front office rumor

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Conclusion

This episode gives a thorough and often laugh-out-loud tour of the 2026 NBA Draft and the big ripples around the league. The hosts combine sharp analysis (winners, smart strategies, trade philosophies, team-building nuance) with silly moments (jump farts, clap rankings, parental life hacks) and classic, conversational chemistry. For NBA fans, it’s insight and entertainment—a true draft night hangout.

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[J. Skeets]

Good morning sweet world and welcome to the no Dunks podcast presented by FanDuel. It's Wednesday, June 24, 2026. I'm J. Skeets here in the classic factory and alongside me as always, Tas Melis.

[Tas Melis]

Podcast listeners. This is for you.

[J. Skeets]

Nova Yonder, making the magic Happen super producer JD Hello. There he is. Here we are. No Trey. He's at the pool this morning. His girls are in the city swim meet at the big pool. Georgia Tech Olympic pool, was it not?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, very nice.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Looks so amazing on today's show, though. We got some news later on. The Blazers have a new head coach. The Pistons are reportedly interested in like 20 different guys. They want some shooting and scoring.

[Tas Melis]

It's a lot of guys.

[J. Skeets]

And Brad Stevens has commented on the Jaylen Brown trade rumors.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I can't wait to hear your opinion on that.

[J. Skeets]

Sort of. But first, 30 lifelong dreams came true last night. And we were here in the classic factory watching it all unfold. We had a live watch party on YouTube. You can go watch it again if you want. Here's what we did. We cracked jokes, we ate pizza, did some trivia. Then guys just started doing jump farts. A lot of 360 jump farts. one point, we did start naming baseball players from the 88 All Star Game too.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that was pretty fun.

[J. Skeets]

I'm still amazed that Barry Larkin made 12 all star games. I can't believe it.

[Tas Melis]

I think I get surprised by that every couple years because you hear a Barry Larkinstadt because we're connected to his son who had a little cough, a cup of coffee in the NBA. Now he plays for Turkey, so that always surprises me.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, like I said, I would guess he made six or seven all star teams, not 12.

[Tas Melis]

That's.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, but.

[Tas Melis]

But he was the guy. He was the guy.

[J. Skeets]

But we had a lot of fun and we are going to give our sort of big takeaways or winners or surprises from round one of the NBA draft.

[Tas Melis]

The people who did the 360 jump farts.

[J. Skeets]

Well, the surprising part is I failed on many attempts.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, you succeeded.

[J. Skeets]

I mean, I never fell over, so that's good. You probably never shit my pants. So that was also a win.

[Tas Melis]

You probably hit a higher percentage than Barry Larkin did average in baseball.

[J. Skeets]

Thank you. Thank you. When you put it that way, I was a big winner last night. Let me set the table here about the 2026 NBA Draft because I think there were four parts to this thing. First part, chalk off the top, right? Wizards took the Bansa. Jazz took Darren Peterson. Grizzlies went with Cameron Boozer. And Trey Kirby's Chicago. Bulls happily took Caleb Wilson. Yeah, we had thought this for quite a while here. I know. Maybe last week it was like, ooh, is it Debancer? Ooh, is it Peterson? Could Cameron Boozer be selected you know, maybe one, if not maybe two. No, we sort of knew this.

[Tas Melis]

Could a team trade down a pick?

[J. Skeets]

Maybe it went 1, 2, 3, 4, sort of as we all expected. The second part, that was the point guards coming off the board, the much debated quartet, right, of Wagler, Brown, Jr. Acuff and our guy, Kingston Flemings. And they went back to back to back to back, sort of in a lot of the order that most people expected too. So really up until this point, it was sort of chalk, like, seemed like the Clippers were in love with Wagler. Looked like the Nets had always wanted Brown. The Kings really wanted Acoff. They were ecstatic. And then Kingston Flemings is there, left for the Atlanta Hawks. Kaka away.

[Tas Melis]

So how phenomenal was that?

[J. Skeets]

A guy we interviewed, we popped, he got selected.

[Tas Melis]

We've been doing this show a long time. We have never even sniffed that possibility of a guy that we interviewed just before the draft, drafted to the team where we resigned.

[J. Skeets]

The only thing I can think that was comparable was when when Lee Ellis told us that the Thunder were going to take Josh Giddy once upon a time, he just knew that nobody had Giddy that high.

[Tas Melis]

That was big.

[J. Skeets]

He had a. He legit had like an Australian, like insider tell him this news and he said it on the show and then w. It came true. That was pretty fun.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that was really.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Kingston Fleming. I'm sure we'll talk a little bit more about.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I guess I've been trying to compete with Lee Ellis's great prediction by saying that Austin Hero, Tyler Hero's brother keeps saying that he was going to the Bucks and it happened. Wow. Yeah. Mike. My connection is Austin Heroes social media accounts. He put up a symbol or put up a photo, I should say of a buck.

[J. Skeets]

Anyway, third part, the draft became the Michigan Invitational. Dusty May and the Mavericks got the Wolverine party started by taking Morez Johnson Jr. At number nine. This was probably the first, like real surprise of the draft, I think so. You know, Triple Y Axel and then the Giant Mara went soon after at 11 and 12. So 9, 11 and 12 were the three Wolverine guys. That was the third part. Then the fourth part. The final storyline again of the draft was trades, but minor ones. I mean, it was just a lot of teams swapping picks in sort of the latter part of the NBA draft. Most notably the Grizzlies moving back a couple times from 16 to 17 and then from 17 to 21. And they acquired five second round picks in doing so. But a lot of trades near the end of like Teams like swapping positions or getting out of the first round. I think those were the four sort of like pillars of this first round. Is there anything I'm missing?

[Tab Ramos]

Nope.

[Tas Melis]

I think you got them all. What were your pillar wise?

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tas Melis]

I mean from the top. You're right. It was chalk. And seeing Debonset drafted number one, seeing the guy who led division one scoring drafted number one for the first time since the late 1900s. Do you remember, do you know who it was?

[J. Skeets]

Can you ask the question again?

[Tas Melis]

The guy who led division one in scoring and was drafted number one hasn't happened in, in over so late 90s

[J. Skeets]

is what you're saying.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I say late 1900s. It is. It is 1994.

[J. Skeets]

94. Who went number one in 94? Glenn Robinson.

[Tas Melis]

Glenn Robinson.

[J. Skeets]

Nice.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. The first time.

[J. Skeets]

Nice.

[Tas Melis]

So I was kind of surprised.

[J. Skeets]

Wow, that is a little surprising.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. That long. And the guy who went number two, he wasn't leading the country in scoring and that's why he wasn't ranked as high as debons. Like he wasn't. Jordan Peterson wasn't doing what he looks like he can do. And I think he will be the more talented guy when it comes to it. When we look.

[J. Skeets]

You think he'll have a better career?

[Tas Melis]

I think so. I mean, I, you know, I'm being. I, I don't have the inside access, but just watching from here, he looks super duper talented. He seems like he also has. He has that motor. To me, I know it didn't look like it at times, but he talks a good game. He says he models his game after Kobe. As he said post draft, he said, Kobe's my guy. I'm inspired by him. So I just try to think what would Kobe do right now? He'd get drafted and move on and try to go be the best possible. So that's what I'm going to do. It's going to go work at it. And he, and this is the interesting part. He said, I see a guy that went number one on the screen right there now, AJ DeBonsa. So I'm extra motivated. It will always be in my mind for my whole career.

[J. Skeets]

So this is pretty interesting. That's my favorite part. Whoever goes 2, 3, 4, like those guys, they get to go, well, I should have been number one.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[J. Skeets]

You have to use it as motivation. But the band. So I mean, I think, I don't know how related it was or not, but like when the news broke that Trey Young was signing that massive deal, the Extension to stay obviously with the Wizards. I think it was the writing was on the wall. They were going to Bana instead of Peterson. I mean, you know, I know not they're the same position by any means, but like you got your point guard, you got your main guard. No, get your wing guy into Bansa.

[Tas Melis]

So. So Peterson's going to have a lot of opportunity with the Jazz playing beside Counte George because they have all those bigs. It will be interesting to see him at the, you know, the two type of spot and see how he works with Counte George will be really interesting. The other side, as you said, DeBonsa and the Wizards. That is truly intriguing because Trey Young got far more money than it sure seemed even four months ago when he was traded that he was worth in this league. And. And will they sign Anthony Davis to an extension? He's up for an extension in a month and a half. And so if you start to buy into what Ted Leonces is saying, what it looks like their goal is, it might just be old guys with young guys and they may sign Anthony Davis to a long term extension. So that that's part is interesting.

[J. Skeets]

At a certain point these franchises go, we got to start getting some older guys, some more talented guys of course in here around all this young talent to teach them, try and teach them how to win basketball games and to sniff playing games and playoff games and like higher stake games because otherwise we're just spinning our wheels non stop and sort of the, you know, the kids are running the show here and it's not, no one's really going to develop like they should. So you get the understanding, like you get the reasoning. But that's a lot of money for AD and Trey Young and AD struggle to stay healthy at times.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, AD right now is just one year and a player option. So I mean that's a lot more palatable than four years. We'll see what if he does get extended. That that part is up for debate. I think the other thing that was interesting last night was both the spurs and the Thunder did something to try and compete with each other.

[J. Skeets]

They sort of loaded up on ammo.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, they did go ahead. They did both of them. They both tried to get bigger. A Dai Mara go going to the Thunder as a huge, huge guy to battle Victor Wembanyama. And he is really good passing the ball, really good touch inside. And we don't know what Isaiah Hartenstein's future is with the team. Not to say that Mara is coming in to replace him right Here right now. But down the road, that 7 foot 3 body up against Victor Wenyama, you could see that happening. Artenstein is getting older as they all are. So that up against what the spurs did. At the same time they tried to get big, to battle with the Thunder with a couple guys and that was kind of surprising. Jaden Quaintance, what a great name. Quaintance can play beside Wemby. And we saw what was going on with the San Antonio spurs when they played the Thunder. They lacked some size beside Wemby. He is a very, very big four. He can do a lot. He's a great rim runner. He will battle for 50, 50 balls. And so that was needed beside Wemby. And then they also got a backup center late in the first round.

[J. Skeets]

They traded up to it.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, they did. Terrace Reed, he's going to be 23 this summer and he could easily be their backup center at some point. If Luke Cornett isn't up for it, this guy can be up for it. That's why they go get an older guy, a 23 year old coming out of college or four years of college. So those two, they were definitely looking at each other and saying, how do we play against this team? The spurs needed a four and Thunder just need a monster, a big player. And you know, the Chet Holmgren discussion can, can happen. But they needed size. It's Wemby time.

[J. Skeets]

That was one of my takeaways as well. Those two teams, those two rivals that we expect to be seeing each other and hopefully multiple Western Conference finals. Yeah, sort of shoring up their rotations here. I'll take it one step further too. You brought up Mara there. OkC at 12 maybe does soften the blow if Hartenstein does move because of a cost cutting move or not. But he's just going to help because he's huge. A nine, nine standing reach. This guy seven foot three. The other tidy work they did, OKC traded two second round picks to move up one spot from 17 to 16. Like I said, where the Grizzlies move back to select Bennett Sturts, who is like a true point guard out of Iowa. And you know, you can look at this as OKC doing this move right after they traded Aaron Wiggins for two second round picks. So sort of I think they're looking at him as a replacement for Aaron Wiggins. Obviously a much cheaper, controlled cost rookie deal here with Sturts. Like I think that's the thinking there. So that's nice. And then yeah, I just like, like you said, the Quaintance part's interesting because that guy maybe slipped a little bit.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Because of his injury concerns because he had the torn ACL in his freshman year and then didn't play a lot this last year. I think there, you know, that's a little bit of a worry. But the guy's a beast, so if healthy. Yeah, absolutely. Works hard, runs hard, you know, lob threat, all that good stuff, that you could see him out there alongside Wemby.

[Tas Melis]

So, yeah, I can't help but see Kevon Looney when I see Quaintance's face. He kind of looks like him. I just can't help it.

[Tab Ramos]

The.

[Tas Melis]

The whole OKC drafting. It is interesting to see what they do financially because we said Isaiah Hartenstein a team option this year. So they can say, hey, stick around one year. I think it's 28 million-plus to stick around for one year and then move on at another point. Or as you said, to go get. Sorry, what was his name? I already forgot his name. The guy that drafted, traded to get Bennett Sturts. Bennett Sturts, Yeah. I forget the Sturts. And the Sturts family was. Was pretty funn. They were talking about the lawn mowing business. Did you see that?

[J. Skeets]

I didn't really catch that part. I was probably doing a 360 jump further.

[Tas Melis]

I. You probably were. And that's what I was paying attention to because I saw the clip afterwards and I said, did I just watch the draft? Because I don't remember this at all,

[J. Skeets]

but maybe it was on abc. We were watching espn. That's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. I saw clips going around this morning. I'm like, I don't remember that.

[Tas Melis]

That must have been.

[J. Skeets]

We were sitting here watching the whole damn thing. It was the other broadcast.

[Tas Melis]

Yes. So they get starts to move on from guys like Isaiah, Joe Sorber. I mean, they have plenty of guys that they can move on from.

[J. Skeets]

They just cycle in new guys. That's their thinking. And because of the Thunder and they've shown this, you know, track history of a lot of successful guys that they've drafted. It's like, how. Who are we to doubt this franchise? And we're like, okay, great. Great draft. I will say, like, of all the picks from the first round, all 30 of them, you know, I've looked at, like, some of these experts out there that grade every pick. There's like, not a bad one. I think I saw 1C the entire bunch. There was a lot of A's and, like, a lot of B pluses. And B's. It was. Everyone was like, yep, yep, yep, good pick. Makes sense. Rotational need. Oh, I see the upside. There wasn't a lot of like, who, yeah, what that reach. Like, the only C I saw was. The C I saw was from the ringer on the Hawks second pick at 23 on Zuby. Zuby. Zubi Zoo.

[Tas Melis]

I got excited for that.

[J. Skeets]

Well, yeah, I know. So, yeah, well, who knows?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I think, I think you can call the Hawks a winner. Part of it is just kind of how you implied about okc. They don't mess up on C Saleh in the Hawks front office. They should be trusted right now. So to get the first Zubi. Zubi, edge of 4, looks really, really good at 6, 9, 2, 45. He is so active. He plays so hard. According to some things that I read, he plays harder than anyone in the draft. So can he at the number 23 pick, play aside, Jalen Johnson and sort of be an undersized center at times when you go away from Inyeka Kongwu just to play really, really hard beside Jalen Johnson. Jalen Johnson needs that kind of guy beside him. Just that motor. And so I think he could help defensively to go on with along with Kingston Flemings, who is just fun to watch, I think. I think he's just one of those guys that you see he's a pogo stick because he can jump really, really high. He can stop and pop. He is super fast. He looks kind of crafty in the way he gets his space. So I think those two guys lump them together. Some call him Ejafor, the guy who plays the hardest in the draft. And some say Kingston Fleming's the most athletic of anyone and because he's super, super quick in the draft. So, you know, I would call him a winner.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. I think maybe the pushback on the Zubi selection is like you have Asa Newell already and like, you know, same sort of size 6, 9, 6 10. Obviously haven't seen a ton of him right now with the Hawks, but I think we'll expect to see him a lot more and get more opportunity here. I don't know. So maybe that's it.

[Tas Melis]

Zubi's a tank in comparison, body wise. And the motor is different. We got to see Asa Newell in the G League battle. Got to interview him up close. He's got game. Oh, yeah, he's like 20.

[J. Skeets]

I mean, he's young. He's like 20 years old.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Zubi's a different, different type of guy to play alongside Jalen Johnson or. Or on Yaka Kongwu.

[J. Skeets]

I'm not holding my breath on Zuby being a rotational player right away for the Atlanta Hawks. Flemings. Yes, I do think he'll get an opportunity here. I mean, Hollinger says he's the, the best true point guard of those four. I mean, they're going to be compared against each other all season long, probably the rest of their careers. Those four guys, like, which one pops off? But he can score at all three levels. I think he needs to get stronger. He told us that. I think he needs to add a floater to his game that would be beneficial. I mean, he can get to his spots. He can get by everybody, I think so. That's a, that's a great pick. And like, again, I love how it felt. Like the Clippers, the Nets, the Kings and the Hawks, they seemed, and maybe this is just them talking themselves into the guy they got. But, like, they seem to all get their guy again, according to reports heading into the draft. Like, and that's why we saw no movement of, oh, we got to get up, we want to move up a slot or two there to get our guy. So, yeah, maybe they were happy with any of them falling to them.

[Tas Melis]

I don't know. I guess the draft did start at number nine. When the mask got that was a

[J. Skeets]

bit of a shock.

[Tas Melis]

Russ Johnson, he is a crazy athlete, there's no doubt. And it was a little surprising to see him go before his other Michigan guys and a Daimara and Yaxel Lindenborg, that's a fun name. But he could play power forward alongside Cooper and play some small ball center because, you know, the reports say he is a culture setter and that is kind of what the Mavs need. And so it makes sense if you're looking at this team and saying, what do we need? And maybe there's other guys with a higher ceiling, but this is the type of guy, a hard worker and he's not an incredible three point shooter. And that's what the people are saying. You know, he's kind of clogged the

[J. Skeets]

lane, really a scorer. This guy is a defensive stud. I mean, the numbers are nuts. Like, he held opponents to 35% shooting as the primary defender.

[Tas Melis]

Right.

[J. Skeets]

I think that's. Yeah, that's Dusty May in the Mavericks going, yeah, that'd be great alongside Cooper, like, just get the defensive minded dude. We'll find the scoring, we'll find the shooting, and maybe we'll obviously develop him too.

[Tas Melis]

That's exactly. By all reports, he's going to work his ass off to get better. And he improved by 17% at the free throw line from year one to year two. He was taken as a sophomore, so that is a good sign. From 61 to 78, he did shoot the three ball. He got better at that. Well, he wasn't even shooting in the first year of his college career, if I'm not mistaken. And then he started shooting it more and he was a little below average, but he did, he didn't shoot it, so.

[J. Skeets]

But people thought of all the Wolverines there at nine from the maps that Yaxel would maybe be the selection over Moroz.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, yeah. And he. Yaxel does fit with the Warriors. Being an older guy, he was our

[J. Skeets]

emotional one of the night, wasn't he?

[Tas Melis]

He was.

[J. Skeets]

Axel was the probably the most tears.

[Tas Melis]

Oh yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Most of these guys were pretty stoic.

[Tas Melis]

Yes.

[J. Skeets]

Just like professionals already.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

There's nothing wrong with crying, but he was him and his family. Obviously. Axel was very emotional.

[Tas Melis]

Oh the, the. The tier analytics were. Were high. I mean it's, it's, it's. It is hard to. To put it on the spreadsheet who cried more. But it was easily Axel by far away number one. And he does seem to fit in Golden State again as an older guy. They need, they need guys with experience. I like the, the, the talk he had. He apparently was a Kyrie Irving fan. So he hated Steph Curry a long time ago, but now he's buddies with me, obviously, so take that back. Yeah. So yeah, three and four picks from Michigan for nine, 11 and 12. As. As he said, I couldn't stand because we watched it live. We watched Dusty May now the Mavericks head coach, formerly the Michigan head coach. He did three claps as we watched after. After the three and four were picked. I immed thought, okay, he's literally doing a. Just because he's happy.

[J. Skeets]

Of course.

[Tas Melis]

But the headline that. You know how you get the video carousel on espn if you open it, it said Dusty May frustrated. Was the word frustrated use. It was some sort of negative. Like I can't remember exactly, but it was like what was he about? Well, I don't know. They were hard claps. He was not smiling. Uh, so that was, that was the word that they used to believe he was frustrated.

[J. Skeets]

Where those guys went, I have no

[Tas Melis]

idea why they chose. I think they chose. Yeah. Dusty May frustrated after Thunder draft Adai Mara. That's what it says. Oh, but then, but then ESPN will literally. They'll change it up. Is every single. Then there's a Dusty May pumped after Thunder draft Daimara from ESPN too. Whatever. Whatever clicks. I guess it's my algorithm that I'll click on something that's a frustrated yeah, I mean that's. Well, that's the only reason why they title it that way and I was just confused. That made no sense at all but ESPN is the only one that's using that word. So anyways, I thought he was happy and I think the Mavs are happy to have that guy who's going to be a motor beside Cooper Flag bro

[J. Skeets]

from the show last night to this drive. Why is it never chill?

[Tas Melis]

Because this is our live backstage on the road. It's loud, messy, real.

[J. Skeets]

And that's the best part. Whole crew, no plan, just moving. Good thing Nissan builds for that kind of chaos.

[Tas Melis]

Not just test tracks, real life scenes, late nights, road trips, all of it.

[J. Skeets]

That's why it holds up. Nissan was ranked number one in initial quality among mainstream brands by J.D. power. Yeah, you can tell. 2026 Nissan Rogue built for what really happens for J.D.

[Tas Melis]

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[Tas Melis]

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[J. Skeets]

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[J. Skeets]

contact store for availability. I'm excited to see from this draft how many of these guys come in and contribute to winning basketball right away. Because when you think about the 2025 draft, a lot of these guys did like obviously Cooper, the number one pick, but Knipple, V.J. harper, of course in the playoffs column, Murray Boyles, even like there was guys contributing.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

And I'm starting to think like I think there's going to be more and more of the sign here because it feels like college basketball. Well, it doesn't feel like it. It is turning more and more into professional, basically like a lower level professional basketball league. What I mean by that is like I think what they run, how they run things now, like these guys are just, it's like easier the transition from these college teams and the systems in place to go into the pros and to slot more in sort of readily. So. And I think that'll be the case here. I can't I what do we know about this stuff? But it feels like we're going to be doing the exact same thing at the end of next season. Going, wow, man. Like when we're making the all rookie teams.

[Tas Melis]

Wow.

[J. Skeets]

Like that. I don't know, six, seven guys, whatever. It was contributing right away, getting a slot, getting a rotation and maybe even in playoff performances. And I'm guessing that'll happen.

[Tas Melis]

Sure.

[J. Skeets]

Because this seems like a deep draft.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. It's interesting you mentioned Colin Murray Boyles who played for the Raptors as an undersized center in the playoffs and literally looked at like their best center even though he was under look better than Purdle. Exactly.

[J. Skeets]

For most of it.

[Tas Melis]

And it feels like that's happening more in the NBA because you just need more skilled guys, whether or not they're a couple inches shorter. But guys we're talking about here, they may be coming off the bench. The Zubies. He's going to start to be Edgeforce going to start on the bench. There's no doubt. But, but, but guys like that, you will see under sized centers and you could see Rose, Johnson at times, I mean playing beside Cooper with some center. And you could see the Mavs trading all their centers now, whether it's Daniel Gafford or you know, a smaller guy like PJ Washington, more so to get on the right timeline, but also because I think they're going to go younger with their bigs. So you could see that happening. Sticking with Dallas, the Sergio De la. De La Ra. That one's a fun one to say. I think he was a little bit of a surprise late first round, but he looks skilled coming out of Spain and people saying whoa, the comparison to their former ball handler in Luca who also came from Spain. Um, he played in Spain there you could see it. He's not a super athlete. Deliberate is a guy who slows it down but damn, he's got skills passing the ball and doing what, whatever you need and was really, really good in Europe. So that one will be interesting to see him as a ball handler there.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, 25th pick to the Dallas Mavericks, their second pick there in the first round.

[Tas Melis]

As teams Dr. Traded down the Knicks.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, it got a little confusing at the end. Who the hell had what pick.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, the next goal for 24 to 25 and then they draft Delara and then trade him to Dallas to get. To get the heck out of the first round.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, the Knicks made like four quick trades, didn't they? Or three trades or something like that.

[Tas Melis]

That, that is the interesting. So they trade out of the first round. Does that mean that they are just trying to run it back? Leon Rose trying to essentially say we got enough money here to bring back Jose Alvarado and Landry Shammit, most importantly and Mitchell Robinson, potentially all three of those guys. I thought that was interesting. Along with the Nuggets, which is more confusing, trading out of the first round. They got the heck out of there. And that's where San Antonio got Terrace Reed from, essentially. Are they focusing their dollars on probably Peyton Watson but getting the heck out of a. A set first round salary to see what they do. And that, that is a whole question. Cam Johnson being dealt. I brought up Aaron Gordon as a possibility of being dealt even though he's super, super talented, but he has had hamstring problems. Or is it Christian Brown? I don't think that's the case. But yeah, that's an interesting one.

[J. Skeets]

Another note from the first Round last night I wrote down the Grizzlies took the Delta overbooking voucher. Excuse me, let me explain. You know when you're waiting at your gate, getting on a flight. Oh, yeah, this has happened to you. I've been with you and it's happened, dummy. Somebody comes on the mic, sorry, ladies and gentlemen, we've overbooked this flight. We're looking for anyone that would like to take the voucher and maybe catch the next flight out of Atlanta. $250. We're starting in at $250. And everyone looks around. Oh, geez. I mean, are we in a rut? And then, you know, you wait it out. We've been at least when we've done flights from like Vegas to Atlanta, Summer league comes to mind when there's a lot of people here. We're going there, work related, whatever, just

[Tas Melis]

packed flights, only a couple flights a day. You know, they got a lot of people.

[J. Skeets]

That's what I'm saying. Like, I've heard it get up to like a thousand, right? And people are still not even taking it. I was a Matt Weiner. I was sitting with Matt Weiner once of NBA tv, and even Matt Weiner, I mean, I don't know what he's making on the countless checks, but like, Matt Weiner was like, at a certain point here, I mean, what is the rush to get to Vegas? You know, maybe I take the next flight.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Anyway, the whole point of this is that's what the Grizzlies did last night. I think they took the voucher, they let it go up because they traded, as I said earlier, the 16th pick to OKC for two second rounders. And then the 17th pick, they flipped back to Detroit. So they went back to 21st, so 16 to 21, five spots back, and they got five second rounders. They took the voucher, and by all accounts, they still got the guy they wanted to. And maybe that was part of the equation, right In Karim Lopez out of Mexico. Now, he was confused. I heard Brian Windhorst talking about this today. They were like interviewing him and he didn't seem to know that he was on the Memphis Grizzlies. Well, they seem to be breaking the news to him because I think he thought he was a Piston.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Maybe somebody didn't tell him. Maybe it just like, you know, there's a lot going on. It sort of got a little confusing.

[Tas Melis]

Anyway, for the first Mexican player drafted in the first round, right?

[J. Skeets]

History made.

[Tas Melis]

History made. But he did slip. He could have Been taken a little bit higher, but good for him. I like that analogy right there.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Have you ever done it?

[Tas Melis]

Not once, no.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, I haven't either.

[Tas Melis]

Don't trust it.

[J. Skeets]

I think the problem is I don't fly. Like we don't have to fly a ton for, you know, work related things or obviously if we travel for personal reasons, it's like there are people that are flying around the country all the time. Like that is part of their job. And then it would be like, yeah, of course. Like, why wouldn't you? Like, who cares? I can go the next day. Like it's not a big deal. Like for us it's usually like, oh, we're right up against it. We gotta be there to do a show or to do this like requirement. You know what I mean? So it's like we didn't have the flexibility. Yeah, I would love to do it when. I would love to proudly walk up there or put. How do you even do it? What do you do? I'll take it.

[Tas Melis]

Great question.

[J. Skeets]

Like, what do you do? You just go to the desk and say, are you still offering that thousand dollars? Like you have Whisper, you know.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. They give you a pen. You have to sign something. I'm kidding. You don't have to sign anything. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

[J. Skeets]

I'm always just so fearful that it's like n. Something's going to go wrong here.

[Tas Melis]

Right.

[J. Skeets]

That, that flight you're telling me I'm going to be on five hours from now. No, that won't happen. So I just get concerned.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, it all depends on salaries too. I mean, how much you're making, what point of your career you're at. If you're making M. Matt Weiner money or Diana Rossini money. Just read an article about her making 800k approximately. So you know, she says, no, I ain't taking that. I would, I would imagine she just gets on that plane.

[J. Skeets]

Frable's private jet for all too soon.

[Tas Melis]

Hey, that's. That's a. It's a juicy article. I couldn't help, couldn't help but read it on the Athletic.

[J. Skeets]

It was on the Times.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, that's true.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Anybody else you want to talk about?

[J. Skeets]

Well, yeah. Any other. I got a few more takeaways.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. I think the Milwaukee Bucks are super duper interesting because they ended up with two first round picks. Number 10 and number 13. The one they just got from the Miami Heat and getting Braden Buries, great name. And Nate Ament. Two guys that are not going to come out and be incredible players. It's going to take them, it's going to take them some while. Take them a while, establish what they'll say.

[J. Skeets]

Right?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. But as John Horst called both of them, he called them processors. That's a word. That's a word that we might be seeing in the NBA. We're like connectors, but processors, they just know how to move the ball and make things happen and follow the scheme. So those guys young, just, just the whole game plan of the Milwaukee Bucks has obviously changed dramatically. And I start to look at the roster and say, how long do we need Miles Turner to be here? I mean he can help out, but he could also help other teams. I hate to bring up the Lakers, but you know, the Lakers, anybody who needs a center like that. So that's an interesting. It's just an interesting scheme. What they've got going on, the game plan. What is going to happen the next couple of years there.

[J. Skeets]

Nate was the most nervous looking last night. He looked very nervous for a majority of the night until he was obviously selected.

[Tas Melis]

Nervous.

[J. Skeets]

He didn't know where he was going.

[Tas Melis]

Nervous Nate. Trey called him and yeah, hopefully that doesn't stick at the same time. We brought up Colin Murray Boyles a year ago. Colin Murray Boyles. We all questioned, huh. After he's drafted, we all looked down and said, huh, does he want to go to Toronto?

[J. Skeets]

He seemed maybe frustrated.

[Tas Melis]

He maybe seemed mad. And Nate Amit wasn't frustrated about the buck situation. He just looked nervous.

[J. Skeets]

He's nervous.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

I mean these, these are kids, man.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Like why wouldn't you be nervous? Some of them at least.

[Tas Melis]

Also such a big suit coat.

[J. Skeets]

It looks so he had the double breasted jacket. One of those guys. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

And the buttons, it looked like they were almost on his side. Like it was such a tight wrap.

[J. Skeets]

Big maybe big rap. Struggling to breathe is what you're saying.

[Tas Melis]

Well, it's possible.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

You know, there's just a little bit of the, the, the clavicles, top of the knot on the tie exposed like it was just so tight. I looked odd. Anyway. I think that's all I got right now.

[J. Skeets]

Well, the fashion report, what do you think? Overall that was pretty subdued, wasn't it? A lot of just pretty normal looks. Nothing insane that comes to mind. I have Darius Acuff junior's red tinted sunglasses.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Or glasses. I mean those were cool.

[Tas Melis]

Those are cool.

[J. Skeets]

Flemings. Nate and Dale and Swain, they were rocking the double breasted suits. There was a couple of those Mikel Brown Jr. Had. He probably had the loudest look of the night in terms of suits because he had the two toned baby blue, sort of cream, sort of white suit. I think Trey called it a little Lloyd Christmassy tiny bit. But he had the baby blue pants anyway. That was like one of the louder ones. Otherwise looking pretty sharp or pretty. Pretty calm, to use Kingston Fleming's own terminology there. Classic is another way to put it. Or calm. Just a calm suit.

[Tas Melis]

Calm is what he called it.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, that's exactly right. Here's something else. I got LeBaron Filon Jr. Falling to the Sixers at 22. I think they're very happy with that selection. No doubt he was one of those guys that maybe was anticipated to go a little bit higher. And then my underrated prospect when we did that a couple days ago was Joshua Jefferson. And he fell to number 28, Brooklyn Nets. I like this pick. This guy has elite basketball iq, reads the game really well. He can pass. Love that too. Sam Vicini called him a Kyle Anderson type. So I think them Getting him at 28 is potential steal. You know, he'll get an opportunity. Now, your guy did not get drafted.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Weird.

[J. Skeets]

UNC big man Henry Visar and a couple other guys, Malik Thomas and Isaiah Evans, he was definitely sitting there in the green room. They're the best available players probably here in the second round tonight. I assume those three will go pretty early.

[Tas Melis]

No doubt, right? Well, some doubt. I guess. I thought they would go. Henry Visar would go late first round.

[J. Skeets]

Well, I think all three of those guys probably thought they were going first round because it's a bit of a market miscalculation. Right. Because of the nil money that these guys can make now they can return to college for serious money. Compared, you know, when you fall out of the first round. Not obviously any sort of guaranteed money or something like that, so. Yeah, especially Evans. I mean, he's sitting in the green room. That means there was some first round interest signaled to him and his team.

[Tas Melis]

Right.

[J. Skeets]

But he just sits there in his cool sunglasses. So I'm guessing he goes very early here in the second round.

[Tas Melis]

I totally agree. Yeah, I'd assume they all go fairly early. One other note I just had from Darren Peterson. He was asked by Brad Parker, hey, what number are you going to wear with Utah? And he said, number 22. I've always worn it, but Kyle Filipowski wears it there. So Brad Parker said that to him. I guess you can't wear it. He said, well, you know, we'll see, we'll negotiate kind of thing and we'll see what we can happen. What can happen. And then he was asked, well, what's your backup other than 22? And he said, well, I'm a Kobe guy. I just got a Kobe tattoo on my shoulder. I'll show it to you sometime. Maybe I can wear eight. But that one's taken too. Isaiah Collier. So that's, that's an interesting one.

[J. Skeets]

Decisions to be made.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Tough one there for Darren Peterson.

[J. Skeets]

And Caleb Wilson again, number four pick in the Chicago Bulls. Did you see that? He shared a throwback photo of himself in Bulls attire as a kid.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, brilliant. Brilliant. Him and Swain who was drafted as well.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, 15th.

[Tas Melis]

Fifteenth.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Super athletic.

[Tab Ramos]

Both of them.

[Tas Melis]

Both are going to run with Josh Giddy and we'll see what he can do with Nick Claxton. So that'll be Thiago Splitters game plan will be very different than what Thiago Splitter did with Portland last year, which was, hey, Denny, it's your time now. It's, it's, it's Giddy time. Just pushing the ball. It's. I assume Swain and Caleb Wilson are just going to run, run your lanes. That's what they're going to do. I assume.

[J. Skeets]

But here's what parents of potential high draft picks need to do moving forward at a certain age, whatever it is. Five, six, seven years old again, you're seeing talent. My kid's going to be in the NBA. You got to take a photo of that child in every team's gear. Boy, that's what you do. You just bank a photo of every single team, your kid rocking it and then you just pull out the ones you need when we get close to the draft and you find out where they land.

[Tas Melis]

Bank of photo. But also drop some bank on 30 uniforms.

[J. Skeets]

A lot of money going to fanatics. Unfortunately, you're right about that. Yeah. But we have seen a Jokic in old Nuggets gear. Wemby in an old spurs jersey. Who else? Cooper Flag wasn't in anything. Dallas Mavericks related, was he?

[Tas Melis]

Am I making that from Maine? Did he care?

[J. Skeets]

But obviously now Caleb Wilson in the Bulls. But that's what I would do.

[Tas Melis]

He's smart. Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

And then it's just like, oh, it's destiny. Because the fan bases eat that up. They're like, oh, it was meant to be. They don't need to know about the other 29 photos you have on your phone. Just delete them.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah, yeah.

[J. Skeets]

It's a little tip A little tip for anyone out there moving forward.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, And a shirzy will do too. You know, like, it doesn't have to be.

[J. Skeets]

I don't know, it has to be

[Tas Melis]

an authentic jersey at all. Right.

[J. Skeets]

Just needs to be merch.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Do you have any other random notes on the production that we watched last night? Again, we were watching espn. I mean, a few minor hiccups, but I thought it ran pretty smooth otherwise.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, it ran really well.

[J. Skeets]

The only, the only one that was really bad was the Dirk interview. They played for. For Hans Steinbach.

[Tas Melis]

And we couldn't hear it on our feed. We could not hear.

[J. Skeets]

They could. They apparently could hear it. He was reacting like he could hear it.

[Tas Melis]

He was hitting dad's knee.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, he couldn't believe it, man. Dirk sending him a message.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that was.

[J. Skeets]

But yeah, we couldn't hear that. And then there was that one time like a camera guy got in the way.

[Tas Melis]

No, it was really good. Yeah. You know, there was some long sessions at the desk that. Because they were waiting for Adam Silver to come out. That was kind of odd, man, this thing.

[J. Skeets]

The first hour flew by.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Like, we were like. There was like no very few commercial breaks. I don't know what pick we got to until we had our first commercial break. It was amazing. And we got into the first pick pretty quick. Like Silver came out okay. Wizards around the clock. We were moving.

[Tas Melis]

It was between 40. It was. We started at 8pm Eastern. It was like between 8 and 40 and 8:50. Incredible. We got our first commercial.

[J. Skeets]

But then this thing did just come to a complete standstill at one point. It felt like. I don't know if it was because of all the trades happening and all that and the moving around or what slowed down at the end.

[Tas Melis]

Did you like the drastically. The sit down interviews and what looked to be rooms to go sets kind of thing?

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, I mean, look pretty cheap, the little room to me.

[Tas Melis]

But instead of standing as they normally do. Yeah, they've. They've done the sitting book.

[J. Skeets]

They have done sitting on couches before. This is the first. I feel like they have that little fake room or whatever. Yeah, living room. I mean, Roger Sherman noted it on Blue Sky. We brought it up last night too. During the live watch party. The real MVP of the NBA draft was the ESPN PA in charge of going onto the set and swapping out those framed childhood photos of the player who just got drafted. Yeah, you heard me.

[Tas Melis]

They weren't digital.

[J. Skeets]

They weren't. So our first assumption was correct because then we were like, oh, hold on they must just be digital. But there are shots where like the frame size is changing. It's being moved around depending on the person coming up and talking on the couch. So somebody was doing it, I guess.

[Tas Melis]

This is great stuff.

[J. Skeets]

Wild.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that is wild. People here in the Stream team also coming through. They said that the Hawks, I guess Kingston Fleming's at number eight was the first commercial break according to the chivalry show. So it worked out well. And Drew Ski3333 said that he heard the Dirk interview on ABC.

[J. Skeets]

Okay, so yeah, yeah. So crossed wires there with these ESPN feed. Speaking of ABC though, this went viral last night. Richard Jefferson and Jay Williams and Kenny Smith. An awkward, I guess is the best way to put it on air exchange again on the ABC broadcast. They're sitting there in their cool chairs, their golden basketballs in front of them. And the jokes from Richard Jefferson and then I guess a little bit from Kenny Smith were about Jay Williams career really and being cut short and his affinity for motorcycles, which obviously derailed his career. And then there was a jab at Duke education and stuff like that. People were like, whoa, this was awkward. And it was. But Richard Jefferson is also just awkward. It's just like how he is with his humor. I say that almost in air quotes because some people do not find him funny at all and others he's very sarcastic and yeah, does digs like that.

[Tas Melis]

Doesn't stick to the. The scripted type of no tv. But I think people were making a

[J. Skeets]

bigger deal out of it than it was. Like, okay, yeah, yeah. But you know, Richard did the whole like once the motorcycles part came up because that was Kenny Smith that said that part.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

And then you know, cut to Richard Jefferson. This guy loves to like do a reaction to camera.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, yeah. You know, people made too much of that. I think people made too much of the Josh Cranky in the Nuggets war

[J. Skeets]

rooms or Joe Lake up and Dunleavy.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, Josh Cranky threw his hands up and then Joe Lakob and Mike Dunleave of Golden State kind of had a. An animated conversation. But apparently it was. We had a trade come in and they had to deal with it very quickly. So you should be animated. I mean that was totally fine. They said, no thanks. They turned down give us instead. So that seemed totally fine.

[J. Skeets]

But give us the old guy triple yaxel.

[Tas Melis]

But hey, that's what every. Either social media or media service will do. I said the ESPN said that Dustin May. Dusty or Dustin. Listen, I think I'm ready for I'm ready to enunciate every one of these new words, new names I should say, because, you know, takes me a day to say. Zubi. Edge of Four. Okay, I'm ready for that. Sergio De La Ra. Ready for that. Kingston Fleming's definitely ready for that. Jaden Acquaintance.

[J. Skeets]

Easy.

[Tas Melis]

Ready for that. Dusty May called him Dustin.

[J. Skeets]

You can't pronounce Dusty May.

[Tas Melis]

No, I know, but I called him Dustin because we get this. My feed is because I sit beside you guys talking about wwe. I got a Dustin Rhodes. And don't blame me for you. I got Dustin on the brain. No, actually, as I sit beside you guys, my algorithms.

[J. Skeets]

Nobody calls them Rhodes.

[Tas Melis]

What are they called?

[J. Skeets]

Dusty or Cody? I mean, Cody.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, my mistake. I. I could have sworn he was a Dustin. Anyway. No, I know a Dustin.

[J. Skeets]

American Dream Man.

[Tas Melis]

No, I've got it.

[Tab Ramos]

Cody's dad.

[Tas Melis]

I know a Dustin that I talked to yesterday at the. The kids swimming. Anyways, listen. I blocked the camera. What am I on ESPN here? Listen.

[J. Skeets]

Okay, what?

[Tas Melis]

J.D. you mock. You mock people. You mock me saying that because I sit with you. My algorithm has changed. Our phones are listening. Our phones are listening. They know everything, okay? They know everything.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, they know how to get you. They just. Hey, make that headline. Say Dusty May clapping angrily. He'll click on that.

[Tas Melis]

That wasn't a social media account. I was just on ESPN and that was on ESPN's platform. Him. That was right there. They know what they're doing.

[J. Skeets]

That wasn't even the best clap of the night.

[Tab Ramos]

Remember?

[J. Skeets]

They showed us some kid.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, yeah. That was a good clap.

[J. Skeets]

That was the best clap of it. I didn't even remember what it was for. I don't know what he was.

[Tas Melis]

I don't either.

[J. Skeets]

What pick. He was crazily clapping. But my other final. I got two final notes and then we'll take a break. Seth part now, I thought had a great idea. Each player not having their own entrance. Music is such a waste. That would be a nice touch, right? They get selected, let them pick a song to come up to.

[Tas Melis]

I can't argue.

[J. Skeets]

Get a little bit of their personality immediately.

[Tas Melis]

What did we hear? We heard California love for the Clippers taking Waggler.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, I mean, the DJs just picking the songs. I mean, but why not let them have a say? I think that'd be fun. I like that. And then finally, the Hornets drafted a guy named Hans. And then later another guy named Christian Andersen. To quote John Hollinger, that's a fairy tale draft. Hans Christian Anderson. Was their draft last night. Obviously. The Danish writer. Are you familiar with the Danish writer?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, of course.

[J. Skeets]

What do you write? Little Mermaid. For sure. The Emperor's New Clothes, I believe. Oh, I don't know how many others that have been spun into Ugly Duckling. Ugly Duckling. A classic Princess and the Pea.

[Tab Ramos]

Oh.

[J. Skeets]

Also a classic Hans Christian Andersen. Yeah. That's not wild.

[Tas Melis]

It is wild.

[J. Skeets]

What are you looking.

[Tas Melis]

What are you looking at? Well, I'm backed by some stream teamers who are calling me out, but also saying, dustin, Dusty. That's the father son combo. One's a Dustin, one's a Dusty.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, because you're thinking, oh, gold dust.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Well, that's a wrestler.

[J. Skeets]

No one ever called him Dustin.

[Tas Melis]

Well, that's his name.

[J. Skeets]

Okay, so it went Dusty Rhodes, American Dream.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

He had two sons. Dustin Rhodes, AKA Gold Dust. Creepy Gold Dust. And then Cody Rhodes, the American Nightmare. All right, we got there.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Dustin Rhodes. Yes. And we're not calling him Dustin. May, though.

[Tas Melis]

Okay, Dustin.

[J. Skeets]

Weird to call it grown man Dusty. I will say that, too. But that's his name. I mean, my name's Skeet. So what are we talking about? All right, let's take a break. And when we come back, some other NBA news.

[Tas Melis]

Today, Canada needs to either win or draw against Switzerland to secure first place in group B.

[J. Skeets]

Let's go.

[Tas Melis]

All they gotta do is win or tie. Just a tie.

[J. Skeets]

Take a draw, baby.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. To advance, Canada has advanced themselves. They won a game for the first time in World cup history. They're. They're doing some things. But more importantly, how many beavers have been split spotted in the Great Beaver Quest. Excuse me? In Toronto. Yes, the Great Beaver Quest, where there's lots of beavers hiding as they set up in Toronto.

[J. Skeets]

Bet on this on fandom.

[Tas Melis]

Well, I don't know. I've got an inside source, though. No. Dunks fan Thomas. He got his friend Serena to go check it out.

[J. Skeets]

You've got mobility spies on the case.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. And she took a photo, as you see here on YouTube, while holding Moby Dick as a part of their book club. I mean, there's a lot of levels.

[Tab Ramos]

Wow.

[J. Skeets]

But anyway, beavers.

[Tas Melis]

There's a dick and a beaver. Now, FanDuel is giving a reason to root for every single beaver. I mean, goals. Introducing. Every goal pays. You bet on a match and get bonus bets for every goal scored in that match. That's right. More goals means more bonus bets. And all you have to do is turn on your token. Visit FanDuel.com to get started. Started. Now, let there be goals on FanDuel

[J. Skeets]

and let there be a draw or better yet, a win for Canada today at 3pm Eastern versus Switzerland. Because I think we really want to win our group because it keeps them in Canada. Oh, for that game.

[Tas Melis]

Because they win the group, they would finish first in the group. And the games are in Canada.

[J. Skeets]

That. That first game would be. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure. Pretty important. And look, Switzerland is good, so this would be big.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Come on, boys. And I'm going to my first World cup game later today.

[Tas Melis]

But all they have to do is tie to secure that first spot in group B anyways. Yeah, yeah. So you're going.

[J. Skeets]

I'm going. I'm going down to the Atlanta Stadium. Don't you dare call it Mercedes Benz.

[Tas Melis]

Haiti versus Morocco. Morocco, right.

[J. Skeets]

You know, a little bucket list item gonna be crossed. Crossed off the list today. Going to a World cup game. I'm excited. I'm excited. Yeah, you should. But that's not until later. We got some NBA news and notes to quickly get in here. Yesterday, the Portland Trailblazers hired Minnesota Timberwolves lead assistant Mike Inori as the franchise's new head coach. Nori's deal got a lot of headlines, Tess. Just one guaranteed year with team options on the second and third year. This is extremely rare for an NBA coach. I know. It happens a little more frequently in baseball, I think, and maybe.

[Tas Melis]

Does it?

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, I was seeing some people write about that.

[Tas Melis]

Wow.

[J. Skeets]

So maybe a little more common. But in the NBA, I've never team option. I mean, it's like one year. Impress me. And of course, it's Tom Dundon, who everybody is, like, saying, oh, this guy's the cheapskate here, and he's the cheapskate owner and all that. So, anyway, that got a lot of headlines. Chris Finch was pissed off about that.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I read. I listened to Chris Finch defend his guy, Mike and Ori, his assistant.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. He said that he wished more attention have been paid to Nori's accomplishment here than the terms of the contract quote. That's a personal decision. That's a business decision. That's between him, the team, and the agent. So, yeah, that's fair enough. But it's still strange.

[Tas Melis]

There's no denying that it's strange whether or not you support Mike and Nori, because I definitely do. I don't know if part of his sliding scale that they're calling it.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, yeah, there's that part.

[Tas Melis]

There's that part, too. Whether or not that is a question of how many jokes he drops per game. Because as a long time league pass and basketball fan, watching Mike and Nori do those halftime interviews, phenomenal. Guy drops a joke basically every game. 17 seasons as an assistant. So Chris Finch. Right. To defend him and he deserves a lot of love. He's been looking for a head coach position for a long time.

[J. Skeets]

He's been in these interviews for seven head coaching positions.

[Tas Melis]

I read seven.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

My goodness.

[J. Skeets]

So I mean like whether it's a weird deal or not, most people are going to jump at this opportunity.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

And that's what Finch is saying. There's only 30 of these. I mean he's been trying to have one. He's probably deserving of one. Yeah. Like you worry, are you being set up to fail? That's the, that's the pushback to this, this guaranteed just one year deal and then the team options. Because this is a league that does value security, you know, a little bit of time to try and build success. So that, that's a little scary because this is also not like a 15 win team. Let's keep that in mind. This is like a 500 team last year with Thiago Splitter.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. So you're implying if they were to get to, if they were 15 win team and they got to 18, then you got your jobs back.

[J. Skeets]

Exactly. It would just be. The bar would be so low that you'd be like, okay, probably no problem. But I'm a little concerned. Like, like what does Tom Dundon think is a successful season here is really what I'd be getting at.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Because the one year guaranteed plus those options. Interesting. But as I said, he is also on a sliding scale depending on incentives and team success.

[J. Skeets]

So yeah, he's on a bonus structure.

[Tas Melis]

Yes. So that part is really, really interesting to see what those mean. I don't think we'll ever see the contract that Tom Dundon sign with Mike and Nori. But that is extremely interesting. I went back to see what Tom Dundon did as owner of the Carolina Hurricanes when he took over because he gave Rod Brendamore a head coaching position. A guy who's long loved in Carolina as a player. He was an assistant when Tom Dundon took over and he gave him that job as head coach. And so he didn't do this thing that what's happened with Thiago Splitter who had a really good season and Thiago Splitter went and got a bunch of guaranteed years in Chicago instead. So it's very different for Mike and Nori to, to go into that. I mean, it's kind of like you're getting paid on commission. I don't, I don't know if, if Tom Dundon and his employees, because he made his money from subprime car loans, which, which is, you know, people who don't have high credit getting car loans. I don't know if his salespeople who are selling these car loans to these people were based on commission or whatever. But I do find it interesting to see a sliding scale based on incentives and team success. I thought because it was going to be less money and probably shorter years, that tyler Lashbrook, a 34 year old who was supposedly part of the interview process, would get the job because he's 34 and Mike Norrie's been around for a long time.

[J. Skeets]

So Nori's definitely more established.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, way more.

[J. Skeets]

And again, I do think that part of that is like if it's a 20 win team, then maybe it's the young guy there, right. This whole new rebuild. But this there, there are pieces here, 42 and 40. Yeah, they had success, they have an all star. You know, there are other young talent, they might make a move for all we know. Like there's like goals, I would imagine to make the playoffs here in a loaded west. And now you go maybe with Nori, the more established guy who's been in the league forever here.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. And you could see why Splitter would go for more guaranteed years in Chicago.

[J. Skeets]

Splitter did the right move. It feels like.

[Tas Melis]

Well, Mike Nori, you could also say you can understand why he took his first head coaching position full stop, period. Because this is his first head coaching position. So that being said, there are only, yeah, there are only 30 jobs, as Chris Finch said. But you do want stability as a player. That's players, players want that. And so I want to see how Portland transitions from Chauncey Billups, the Thiago Splitter to now Mike and Nori all in one season, essentially.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. And they sort of have to have his back immediately or he has to have them buy into whatever system he installs and his leadership abilities because otherwise he's a dead man walking. He could be immediately. If like the leaders on the, in that locker room, like were to tune him out, like, well, why would we listen to what you got to say? Guaranteed money. Big man like you ain't gonna be here. Like, I don't think that's gonna happen because I think he will be a successful coach. And yeah, I think he's respected and all that, but I'm Saying it could. Yeah, because of the sort of setup, nature of the structure.

[Tas Melis]

Apparently. Apparently a very, very good communicator. And seemingly was that when Chris Finch had that injury and had to leave during the postseason and Mike and Nori took over and he did it well, and that's why he got a head coaching job.

[J. Skeets]

Finch also said in that interview when he was talking about this, though, going from assistant to head coach is less about basketball and more about leadership. And he does think Norrie has the natural leadership abilities. But this was interesting. He said, I think one thing that is handicapped Nori throughout his career is he has never thirsted for opportunities, but that doesn't mean he isn't built for it. I think that's fascinating because there's no doubt there are a lot of guys in this cutthroat world. They're mainly men, of course, like. Of like these. These games they play, these power moves they make. It's all this hierarchy, right. Who do you know, where can you jump and all that. And it feels like he's not. He's not built like that. And probably that's a nice attribute to a human, but this is a cutthroat world here, this NBA coaching thing, so we'll see. I mean, look, we know less about coaches than we do the NBA draft. Like, really, at the end of the day, we don't know how it's going to go.

[Tas Melis]

Hey, we've got some connects. He used to be in Toronto as well.

[J. Skeets]

Started his career in Toronto.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, for several years. So we can. We could find out some stuff.

[J. Skeets]

I think he's going to be a good coach.

[Tas Melis]

And, you know, we don't have to go too long on this. But I'm curious. Personal question for you guys. Sure. Did you ever work on commission? Because that's what it feels like this position sort of is, in a. In a way being on the sliding scale.

[J. Skeets]

I mean, yeah, I've worked jobs that are. I mean, I've. You know, me, I've had like a million jobs. Definitely. Like telemarketing type jobs. Yeah. Like sales type jobs. Like that.

[Tas Melis]

So you're paid based on the sale?

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Yeah. J.D. anything come to mind or have you ever.

[Tas Melis]

I did a telemarketing job for the Globe and Mail for three hours. Three.

[J. Skeets]

Three hours.

[Tas Melis]

Three hours. I got a sale. Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Wow.

[Tas Melis]

And then I walked out.

[J. Skeets]

They're like, done.

[Tas Melis]

I'm ready. They were like, what are you doing, man? You just got a sale. And it was like, pure luck. It was like I started the spiel Which I had said over and over again for the three hours. And the guy was like, yeah, I'll take it just like that. So it's like, nothing for me. So it's literally just, you know, it's like fishing, Right? It's just like.

[Tab Ramos]

Okay.

[J. Skeets]

So that guy was just waiting for somebody to call him.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Do you want a global mail subscription?

[Tas Melis]

God, you guys finally called.

[J. Skeets]

I did. I have no idea what's going on in the GTA area or across Canada right now.

[Tas Melis]

Thanks. Well, to be fair, it was like before people had the Internet in their homes. So it's like, how do I even get a subscription to this thing?

[J. Skeets]

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Name, right?

[Tas Melis]

Oh, they called. Cool. All right.

[J. Skeets]

But, yeah, what about. What about you?

[Tas Melis]

When I sold shoes. Oh, you got a commission for that sport Check. Yeah. Yeah. Making bank. Get down on one knee, unlace the shoe.

[J. Skeets]

Al Bundy.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

That was. Those were the good days. Yeah, those are the good days. Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

You like feet?

[Tas Melis]

Well, I don't mind feet. I'm not as scared of feet as you are.

[J. Skeets]

I definitely would not want to be scared seeing strangers feet all day.

[Tas Melis]

So.

[J. Skeets]

Good on you.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. There was a sock drawer, you know, so people come in with sandals and bare feet. You gotta throw them a couple pairs. That was. That was a fun part of working in the shoe department, though, was. Was the whole. The sock drawer. Because you would throw up to your colleagues, to your fellow workers. You'd throw one up into the sky, and they'd look at it, and then that's when you pepper them with the other pair of socks. That was fun shenanigans. Yeah, lots of shenanigans. But, yeah, the 6% was good. My man, Dave Sutton, he got me that job. He was the Vulture. They called him the Vault. He'd have, like, four customers at a time, while I'd just be sitting there with one customer.

[J. Skeets]

So he would pounce on everybody. Because it's commission.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, it's commission, exactly. That.

[J. Skeets]

You're just sitting there playing with socks the whole time.

[Tas Melis]

No, it was busy enough that we'd all have customers. It was a good. It was a good world, man. Man. Six.

[J. Skeets]

What would you. You made 6%?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. That was high. That's high. That's when they got the heck out of it. That's when they started lowering it.

[J. Skeets]

That's very.

[Tas Melis]

It didn't make sense for them financially, but they're still doing well. Swarchuck. Still doing well. Great.

[J. Skeets]

All right.

[Tas Melis]

I worked at Athlete's World Real quick.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

And I hated it because it was. There was just too many Dave sentence going around like vultures. Yeah, yeah. Because it was like you make eye contact with one person, that's your guy.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

You know what I mean? Oh, right, right. And I'd be like folding a shirt and then two guys are already ahead of me.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

That sounds like they were overstaffed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a new store, so they definitely were. You worked at Athletes World, you'll learn something new.

[J. Skeets]

How about four hours there?

[Tas Melis]

More like four months, but.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, wow.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Why is it always chaos when we link up?

[Tas Melis]

Because nobody plans anything, bro.

[J. Skeets]

Good thing the Rogue's ready like that for real. Rain, dirt, whatever. Available all wheel drive, five modes. We still outside. And they got some kick too. That turbo torque is crazy.

[Tas Melis]

The most in its class. It moves. Moves.

[J. Skeets]

Rogue doesn't mess around and peep the space merch on merch. Gear mics. All of it fits.

[Tab Ramos]

Load up. We out.

[Tas Melis]

2026 Nissan Rogue built for all of it.

[J. Skeets]

Auto Pacific segmentation 2026 Rogue vs latest in market competitors in the X SUV mainstream midsize class excluding electrical vehicles based on manufacturer websites.

[Tab Ramos]

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[Tas Melis]

I admit it, I'm a control freak. Luckily the folks at WIX get it. That's why they created WIX Harmony. It's an AI website builder for people just like me. It lets you create any type of website super fast, but stay in control of every detail. You can even choose whether to use AI or click and edit things yourself until your website actually feels like you. Try it for [e-mail] Harmony. That's Wix.com Harmony when Kohler, the global design leader in luxurious kitchen and bath products, came to me and said, martha, we need an ambassador for our timeless, elegant, durable cast iron products. I said, I'm in. Now let me see the factory. Weeks later, I was suited up in coveralls and work boots, walking through their Kohler, Wisconsin cast iron foundry. I stood next to the molten iron furnace, saw the hand applying enamel, and touched the gorgeous finished products waiting to be sent out into the world. Since 1883, Kohler cast iron products have been forged and finished by the incredible craftspeople right in Kohler, Wisconsin. I'll tell you, I gained a newfound respect and appreciation for Kohler's cast iron craftsmanship. So now I'm lending my discerning stamp of approval to my most beloved Kohler cast iron products for their durability, beauty and timelessness. Shop my Kohler cast iron favorites curated on Kohler.com bring the warmth, character and enduring style of these timeless products into your kitchens and bathrooms. As the Kohler cast iron ambassador, I say, long live cast iron.

[J. Skeets]

All right, next piece of news here. Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens said Tuesday night that Jaylen Brown remains valued by the organization. Stevens didn't specifically address the steady flow of Jaylen Brown trade rumors when he was talking to the reporters, but he did speak about the Celtics current relationship with the all Star forward. And I will read you what he said. Quote, jaylen Brown is a big part of us. I'm never going to predict the future. Every indication, everything I think about over the last few years has been building around those guys talking about Tatum and Brown. You never know. But at the same time, the one thing I want to make very clear is how valued he's always been. He's been amazing. He's been an amazing teammate and a great person to be around. End quote. Brad Stevens on Jaylen Brown.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Listening or reading. Excuse me. To that entire article. It was interesting to hear him say, I talked to Jaylen Brown fairly regularly. He talks to his agent more often as he. As he implied. But all I could think was, what does Skeets think of this? What does Skeets think of his potential to be traded this season? Cause you were adamant on our show yesterday. Was it yesterday?

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

They all blend together. We're doing so many shows in a row here that Jalen Brown was being dealt this season. Still think that.

[J. Skeets]

I feel even stronger about it.

[Tas Melis]

Interesting comments. Interesting.

[J. Skeets]

Come on. I mean, first off, he's been amazing. Talking in the past tense there.

[Tas Melis]

He's Been amazing. Come on.

[J. Skeets]

He is amazing. No, I know. No, but I do believe he's on the trade market because he didn't. Not really walk that part back. He didn't, he didn't, he didn't say, you're making all this up, you reporters. Because, because they're not. Because we, that seems like a reported deal. For the honest thing of it all, now it's whether he's still available. Do I think teams are calling about Jalen Brown? 100%. And I think he's on the trade market and I think he will be dealt. And none of these comments changed any opinion of that whatsoever.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, my, my situation with, with this whole Boston thing is how much did Jaylen Brown ruin the relationships with his teammates and or front office because of how often he's been on social media the last two months since being eliminated? Like, how much does that think that's

[J. Skeets]

had as much of an impact as maybe people are making?

[Tas Melis]

Well, see, that's why I don't, I don't think Brad Stevens is just saying, okay, we got to get the guy the heck out of here who's been been here for a long time, obviously won the championship. And the only two rumors as far as trades go were for Kevin Durant and for Giannistan to Guppo four years apart. So guys that were, you can argue now that it wasn't a step up for Kevin Durant, but at this point of time, in 22 and now 26, a step up is what I'm trying to get at here. So I, I, I think it's all about the relationships that he has with his teammates, because who are they trading him for to improve that team. That being said, if he has this sort of perspective opinion that he needs to be a number one type of player, then that's different.

[J. Skeets]

He's also coming up on a contract extension that'd be at $70 million. This is a big part of the equation here, too, right? Like, they're good together. Tatum Brown, that's been established. I mean, it wins you a lot of games. It has won you a lot of playoff series, and it won you a title. And he was amazing. But, and I want to read you something that Ziller wrote in his newsletter this morning. There's one more wrinkle in all of this that's been a little undersold. And again, I'm reading from Ziller's article here how Jalen Brown has looked over the last couple of postseasons and most specifically that fateful series against the Knicks in 2025. He looked pretty shaky in that series. Gets overshadowed because of New York's comebacks, because Porzingis was a disaster. Tatum got injured, of course, so it sort of got overlooked a little bit. Brown let them down in that series, and then he sort of. Well, he did preside over the Sixers. Embarrassing win over them, too. It wasn't great. So that's two playoff series here that were enormous disappointments for the Celtics and a little bit for Brown there. And so again, the twitch, whether he's frustrated, and I think he probably isn't rightfully frustrated with, like, his name always being in these trade rumors. Like. Yes, but I think it's Brad Stevens looking at his team structure of his team moving forward, going, it might be time here to cash in. Now, what do we always talk about with these superstar players? Like, they wait, they wait, they wait. And the value and the trade package just goes down, down, down, because you're, you know, your hands get tight a little bit. And so I think he might be proactive here in getting obviously, more players, still good players, obviously, picks and something like that. A hell of a draft return for someone like Jalen Brown. I think it's, like, more to do with, like, the Celtics franchise moving forward. So that's why I think he's going to be moved in addition to all the other stuff here.

[Tas Melis]

I hear what you're saying is Brad Stevens, does he know that the time is done? Essentially, that's the question. Whether or not Jalen Brown can continue to be in a really good locker room. That's really the question. And, yeah, they can extend him, but they don't have to.

[J. Skeets]

They don't have to.

[Tas Melis]

He's signed for three more seasons, this upcoming one and two more that he. He signed to as his extension. So it's really. Is this team the same one as it was last year? Now we got a full year of Jason Tatum. Why don't we run it back? It's. It's. I think, you know, we made. I made the Burton Ernie comparison yesterday where Tatum is the quiet guy and Jalen Brown is the more vocal guy. And I think they do sort of work together that way. So that's a good sign. But really, it's. Yeah, the scene, it's internal to me.

[J. Skeets]

But things run their course, too. Yes, yes. I mean, we've seen this a million times throughout NBA history.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that's good questions.

[J. Skeets]

They just. It just runs their course.

[Tas Melis]

That is the question.

[J. Skeets]

You can hold on and you can run it back and you can tinker and you can do all that. You can. And you can also just go, let's just go a different direction and like, freshen things up. And, you know, I just think. I think he's going to be traded. I think I buy all these rumors and I buy the thing. I understand even the thinking I could be wrong. I mean, look, I don't know. I've been wrong about these things before. But we also. I do know we also, as the NBA media, always needs a guy to, like, talk into being traded. It was Giannis for a long time, and I think it's pivoting to Jaylen Brown now. You know, trade said he made the case for Anthony Edwards. I think we're still a year or two ahead of that. I think right now it would be. Jalen Brown is like the number one guy on the NBA media's list of like, he'll probably be traded and we'll just keep talking about until he is because I think he will be.

[Tab Ramos]

That's possible.

[Tas Melis]

They made it work for nine years despite any sort of trade talk that it was either get us a better player and yada steady Kumbo or Kevin Durant. That was the conversations. It wasn't them saying, get us a better player, but the Celtics in themselves could upgrade that way. Or it was during the time that they weren't successful and they. Everybody in media just said, it'll never work. Time to break them up.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tas Melis]

They fought through it. Yes, they did extremely well. So really, the question is, nine years into their relationship, Tatum and Jalen Brown, do they want to keep doing this? Is Jalen see a little bit of a bigger picture than, okay, we just lost in the first round. I was the number one guy and I. And I just. I just like it a lot. Or can he say, whoa, big picture here. The green. The grass ain't always greener. I was going to say the green ain't always grasser because it's fun to say that, but where is his perspective, too?

[Tab Ramos]

I don't know.

[Tas Melis]

You weren't sold by Brad?

[J. Skeets]

No, no, not at all.

[Tas Melis]

All right, we shall see.

[J. Skeets]

Next piece of news here. According to the Stein line, the Detroit Pistons have added Norman Powell to their list of free agent targets this offseason. The Pistons also have interest in Kobe White. They might also be interested in new Bucks sharpshooter TYLER Hero and OKCs Isaiah Joe and Trey Murphy III, who's in every trade rumor. And Kyrie Irving, apparently. And literally like eight other guys, tas, because it feels like Trajan Langdon and the Pistons front office is wisely looking at trying to increase their shooting and maybe even their playmaking around Cade Cunningham. Any reaction to the Powell, the White, the Hero and these other guys I've listed?

[Tas Melis]

They all make sense. Even though there's a hundred names out there, they need a second score, simple as that. They don't have one right now under contract. They'd be running out Cade Cunningham alongside Duncan Robinson, Sar Thompson and bench guys. Jalen Duran's obviously going to come back at some point, but he ain't their second best scorer. And so one of these guys, as you mentioned, a bunch of them all make sense. Kobe White would be their second best score. He'd be coming off the bench behind Cade. But Tyler Hero as rumored to be moving from Milwaukee to Detroit since moving there for the Yanis De Koopo would also easily be their second best score. One name that's not listed here is Andrew Wiggins that the Miami Heat probably want to keep around because they're desperate for guys to stick around. But he's got a player option come June 29th. He's got to make a decision. But Wiggins I think would easily be their second best score because Tobias Harris is a free agent in Detroit now. They may want to bring him back if they don't get a really good name here. But there's just so many names, including Norm, who would be coming from Miami. But I think they're going to keep him around.

[J. Skeets]

We will see. Well, they have the money to keep them around.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I assume so. I don't think Norm's going to be that expensive. I. I don't think. And he was coming off their bench last year. He wasn't their starter and he could come off their bench again. I could see that. Even though they are kind of light on the wings, I would see Pele Larson, who is that connector type of guy, instead starting over him.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, I think huge takeaway from the postseason this last year. The good teams for sure was the luxury of having another creator, a play creator, a play starter, a play facilitator. And then in addition to a score, right. Like look what happened with the Thunder. It was just SGA when they lost their guys because of injury. That was huge part of that series and why they lost, I think. And then look at the Knicks. Their postseason completely turned around when it was like, oh yeah, let's just stop doing everything through Jalen Brunson. Let's get Cat operating more, creating stuff like starting these possessions. Take A little bit of the load off of Jalen Brunson. And that's what the Pistons need to do with Kate. I mean, you watched them all season long, but definitely in the postseason where every single play he has to start. Because you're right, there's nobody else, like everybody else is a play finisher. You know, Duncan Robinson, he'll finish with a three. Tobias Harris, he'll finish with a jumper. Jalen Duran, you need to hold his hand to get him the bucket or he's got to do the work inside. You know, obviously Azar Thompson, too. Like, there's just nobody else that really creates. So, yeah, they have to get this. And I say create as in like play facilitator, creator, score sort of in one. A guy that can do something with the ball that K doesn't have to do for you then for you to finish it. So, yeah, I mean, a lot of these names make sense and we'll be shocked if they don't get one of these guys.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, they got to go hard.

[J. Skeets]

They have, and they probably should.

[Tas Melis]

They should. Absolutely should. They should get Cade a second ball handler. I would argue that Dennis Schroeder, who was with the Pistons in 24, 25 and played in that first round playoff series against the New York Knicks where they lost in six, made so much more sense than anybody they had on the floor in fourth quarters in this playoffs where they were able to beat Orlando, but then lost in round number two cause they didn't have one. They said, carousel vert, we'll give you a shot. It didn't work out with Carol. J.B. bickerstaff said, Hey, I was good with him in Cleveland. Bring him on over. It hasn't worked out there. They'll throw anybody. They'll say, hey, Ron Holland, what do you got? They're like anyone, they need a second guy. So they got to overpay for Tyler Hero. What was the deal for Tyler? I guess it's picks if they can. A juicy pick for Milwaukee primary. I guess that's what it is. Really. But he is a contract coming up too.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Out of all of these guys, who can start beside Cade Cunningham, it's probably not Kobe White. Kobe White, I imagine, be coming off the bench.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Is it Austin Reeves? I think Tyler Heroes ain't going anywhere. It's unlikely. I mean, you love Trey Murphy. You throw out the Trey Murphy name. Of course, he would be great, but not a playmaker. I think Tyler Hero's the guy.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Final piece of news. This was out of Nowhere. According to Front Office Sports, Tim Bontemps is in advanced talks to leave ESPN to join the front office of the Atlanta Hawks. Yes, here in Atlanta, the role would be on the basketball side of the Hawks front office. When asked, or. Excuse me, when reached for comment about the validity of this report, Tim Bontemps replied to me, who can say? I think that's a tell right there, there, Tim. Who can say? I think you just did. Yeah, that's what he responded when I texted him.

[Tas Melis]

Damn. Whoa.

[J. Skeets]

Coming to Atlanta. Who can say? It took him a while to respond, too. So that's my reporting on that. I would have guessed there's something to this.

[Tas Melis]

This.

[J. Skeets]

If it's out there and he's responding in that nature. Crazy. Do you have a thought on this?

[Tas Melis]

Oh, it's. It's an intriguing, exciting job, I assume, for Tim Bontips to be in a team's front office if he wants to do it. But who's to say?

[J. Skeets]

Who can say?

[Tas Melis]

Oh, who can say? Yes, yes, yes. Let me, Let me make sure that quote is.

[J. Skeets]

Yep.

[Tas Melis]

Precise.

[J. Skeets]

Who can say?

[Tas Melis]

Who can say?

[J. Skeets]

He wouldn't be the first, like, reporter or someone that worked at ESPN to, like, make their way to a front office. I mean, Kevin Pelton comes to mind, but like Pelton and Bontemps, at least how they approached the game or what they wrote about, how they wrote about it, obviously different. I mean, was much, much more analytics based.

[Tas Melis]

Right.

[J. Skeets]

Bontemps, great. More of a reporter insider than on the podcast, the Hoop Collective. So.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, yeah, it was different.

[J. Skeets]

Fascinating. Yeah, Fascinating stuff.

[Tas Melis]

Watching the draft yesterday, seeing Mike Schmitz, former espn, you know, draft expert.

[J. Skeets]

Right.

[Tas Melis]

I was. Been watching the draft for a long time now. Answering questions as part of the maps front office.

[J. Skeets]

That's right.

[Tas Melis]

That was different. But yes, as you said, a different role for analyzing roles for guys and what they've done.

[J. Skeets]

Lee Jenkins.

[Tas Melis]

Oh, yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Went from Sports Illustrated to the Clippers once upon a time, right?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[J. Skeets]

I don't really what his role was. Was his role. I guess it was a Clippers executive.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. But he. It was. It was.

[J. Skeets]

So was it like almost marketing?

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Was it like a little.

[Tas Melis]

A little pr, A little marketing, A little of the. The team image department.

[J. Skeets]

Okay.

[Tas Melis]

If I remember correctly, this was like a decade ago. Right? This was a long time ago when we're reading. But Lee Jenkins. Getting there.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, man, I. I mean, this will be amazing. We're gonna be able to reach out to Bon Temps for. Hey, come on, man, answer this tough, tough question about Kingston Flemings. Why is he with the Skyhawks right now? Why haven't you called him up? We want answers.

[Tas Melis]

He's gonna say report and block.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

As soon as he sees that these questions. No, thank you. No, thank you.

[J. Skeets]

All right, well, we'll find out more, hopefully, about that. That's all the news I got for you. And. Wow, that was a lot longer than I thought it was going to be here today. A little draft recap. Having some fun, going over that and what we saw last night and then a little bit of NBA news.

[Tas Melis]

Got some extra time in a show because we're not doing one tomorrow.

[J. Skeets]

That's right. No show tomorrow. Yeah, let's hope, actually for us and our sanity. We could use a chill 24 hours. Yeah, you know, like, just hold off on any Jalen Brown trade. Any big deal. Trey, Murray Murphy, something like that.

[Tas Melis]

Steven Tyler hero.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. Just. Just wait until at least Friday would be great. But we'll be here on Friday whether something happens or not, for the Drop podcast. Just the three of us again. I think TK Is. I think he'll be in Chicago on Friday. So we'll be here. Hopefully you'll join us live on YouTube at 10am Eastern or watching later, listening to the podcast. Whenever you consume the show, hit the like button. Subscribe five star ratings and reviews. Back on Friday with the Drop, who's got rapid fire this week? Said me. I think it's me. It's me or J.D. i think you just did.

[Tas Melis]

I just did it. Yeah, I. I think I did it before Taz.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, damn.

[Tas Melis]

So it's either Trey or it's.

[J. Skeets]

Well, that means it's me. Trey won't be here.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. I'm still regretting that question I asked about. What's something that you could do for 43 years. I know it's not a bad question, but we gotta pride ourselves on keeping them fresh. And that is a question that we've sort of been asked.

[J. Skeets]

Every question we ask, we've asked.

[Tas Melis]

Nah, that's not true.

[J. Skeets]

I mean, almost 90% like a variation.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, it definitely feels like it when you.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, yeah.

[Tas Melis]

When you're writing them and when you're reading them, when you see them and you go, didn't we just ask?

[J. Skeets]

Think about how excited we just got when JD Told us he worked at Athletes World. And we were like, what? We just learned something about you we didn't know. That's exciting.

[Tas Melis]

Well, and that you sold Globe and Mail over the phone. I think we've heard that three hours of My life.

[J. Skeets]

I think you've said that one.

[Tas Melis]

I delivered the Globe and Mail.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, maybe we've talked about paper routes. I had a paper out in the hospital. I've talked about that before. Crazy cushiest deal ever. Oh, hold on, man. I had to deal with death at an early age. You don't want to put that on anyone.

[Tas Melis]

What do you just. You had to lay the. The paper on Bob, who just passed away?

[J. Skeets]

No, I would go around every day and my route would suddenly decrease by two people, cuz. Oh, Mary died.

[Tas Melis]

Don't worry. I don't think that happens in a neighborhood less.

[J. Skeets]

Way less, I would hope, than a hospital.

[Tas Melis]

Well, doesn't somebody just fill up that space anyways? Fill up that space, that room. Eventually. Anyways.

[J. Skeets]

They don't get the paper automatically.

[Tas Melis]

So hold on there. You had people who subscribed to the paper in the hospital? Yes. They live. So optimistic of them.

[J. Skeets]

Not everybody that goes into the hospital dies.

[Tas Melis]

They do. They don't live there.

[J. Skeets]

No. They leave.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

So those newspapers would be amazing if the obituaries get updated with somebody down the hall. Oh gosh, now I get to read about this person down the hall.

[J. Skeets]

Oh, it was great. Why do you say it was cushy? Because I didn't have to deal with the weather. That's the only reason you're saying that?

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, yeah. That's the biggest thing, the weather. Like six in the morning in Toronto in February.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, that's true. I. I guess I. I was not an. I was not a morning delivery guy. I think I did it after school. I think I did after school.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. I delivered the Star at one point. After school.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. What a time. I did the Mississauga News and the Toronto sun at some point, but mostly I was mostly driven around.

[J. Skeets]

Driven around? Yeah. Yeah. Just too spaced out in the burbs, man. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Who the hell drove you? Parents or a sibling?

[J. Skeets]

Oh, God.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, I had old siblings.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah. Like a brother or something. Sister.

[Tas Melis]

That was so fun.

[J. Skeets]

Thrown from the car you were throwing. Wow. See, I was in.

[Tas Melis]

That was saga's wild west, man. Because like you had to go to the screen door, put it in between the thing.

[J. Skeets]

That's what you had to do.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah.

[J. Skeets]

Because you know, the mean streets of Toronto, people just be stealing those papers. Otherwise it was down by the, you know, by the sidewalk, you know. No, I. It was the worst was a guy named Bruce. I've told this story before. I don't remember, you know, Bruce, like, look, he was. He was in a wheelchair and he was in the hospital, I mean, maybe for his entire life. I don't know. He was there for a very long time. But he would take advantage of, like, new people, because when I got the job, they're like, you gotta be careful of Bruce. Like, he's really nice, but he's going to, like. Like, he'll have you doing things. Because he would just. Like, he would ask for you. Like, he would ask for you to do things. And, like, of course, you start off, yeah, I'll get that. I'll get that. And then it's like, quickly. You're like, brushing his teeth for him. You're like, what the hell is going on?

[Tas Melis]

Sure.

[J. Skeets]

So, yeah, Bruce.

[Tas Melis]

Loose Bruce.

[J. Skeets]

But once you, like, you're like, all right, I see right through this shtick. You're like, yeah, whatever, Bruce. See you later, man.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Wait, did you brush his teeth?

[J. Skeets]

I think once I helped him. And then I'm like, oh, my God. What am I. What is going on here? But then somebody walked in, like, don't do that, Bruce. You can't do that to these kids. Like, he's just smiling. Got him.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah, that sounds like a character in the pit. Always demanding things in a wheelchair. Yeah, I remember that kid.

[J. Skeets]

It happens, man. It happens. Okay, we will see you guys on Friday. That one should hold you over until Friday. Embrace the day, people. Well, Jesus. Clipper Bros, man, you heard it here first. Have a great time.

[Tab Ramos]

Turn up.

[J. Skeets]

Love you guys.

[Tab Ramos]

Awesome.

[J. Skeets]

We sometimes do the very long ramble

[Tas Melis]

after Clipper bro, so this one will be short. Thanks for joining us. And remember the new basketball term going around? Processors.

[J. Skeets]

You say processor. I think I say processor.

[Tas Melis]

That's a little Canadianism.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Yeah. Pasta. And pasta.

[J. Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

Process, process.

[J. Skeets]

This bug in here, eh? Is it driving you nuts?

[Tas Melis]

Sure is.

[J. Skeets]

A fruit fly. There it comes. I saw you do. I saw you do this once. I saw Trey do it last night. Yeah.

[Tas Melis]

This is fruit fly season. Yeah, in the south, it's only getting worse. This one's slow.

[Tab Ramos]

All right.

[Tas Melis]

Hasn't been eaten a lot, so I'll get it.

[J. Skeets]

Fly by Friday, everybody. Embrace the day and go Canada.

[Tab Ramos]

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