Draymond Returns To Warriors, The RFA Squeeze & Drafting The Worst NBA Nicknames

Summary

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No Dunks – July 29, 2026

Episode: Draymond Returns To Warriors, The RFA Squeeze & Drafting The Worst NBA Nicknames

Hosts: J.E. Skeets, Tas Melas, Trey Kirby, JD
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts
Date: July 29, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the latest summer storylines in the NBA: Draymond Green’s return to the Warriors, the ongoing restricted free agency saga (or “RFA squeeze”), the fates of big-name and role player free agents still left on the market, and a lively draft of the all-time worst NBA nicknames. As always, the No Dunks crew brings a casual but insightful analysis—with plenty of sharp opinions, pointed jokes, and basketball nerdery.

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Main Discussion Segments

1. LeBron’s Big Move to the Sixers (04:57–10:30)

• Skeets returns from Croatia and immediately reflects on the bombshell: LeBron James signs with the Philadelphia 76ers.

  • The hosts recall their own live reactions and the surprising news drop after their previous episode.

• LeBron’s Rationale:

  • Philly was “lower on the list,” but ends up being the pick: “That was a swerve… all the other [options] felt like easier; instead he goes Philly.” — Skeets (06:24)
  • A chance to become the first player to win titles with four separate franchises.
  • Team context: New Sixers core is loaded with LeBron, Jalen Brown, Tyrese Maxey, Joel Embiid.
  • Tas: “He’s going to a team where he’s going to be a bit of a leader instead of going [to] Steph Curry.”
  • The hosts mostly don’t buy LeBron’s “I thought I was done” retirement talk, calling it narrative control.

• Quote:
  “When LeBron does it, you—Yeah. I don’t buy that he thought he was done. … [He’s] going to enjoy his last year getting every ovation… just four tweets, while, you know, collabing with Tops or whatever he did.” — Tas (09:37)

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2. Draymond Green Re-signs with Golden State (10:30–19:21)

• Draymond Green agrees to a 1-year, $27.7M deal to run it back with the Warriors after previously declining his player option to help pursue LeBron.

  • Surprise: Only one year; most expected a longer deal.

• Warriors in Limbo:

  • Tas: “A lot of rinse, repeat with this team. ... They’re just treading water.”
  • Skeets critiques the Warriors FO for playing it too safe: “They just seem to strike out, miss out on every big name… [Their moves are] not really picking a lane… just treading water.”

• Aging Core and Unclear Direction:

  • “Their top six paid players are all 35 and older.” — Trey (16:03)
  • Butler and Moody both out for large stretches; Curry’s extension looming (Aug. 29).
  • Ongoing debate: “Have they failed Steph?” The crew sees no quick fix.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “The window’s closed for the Warriors. … It’s just going to be a tribute act until the end.” — Trey (16:00)
  • “Optionality! That’s all they talk about.” — Trey (19:10)

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3. The “RFA Squeeze” and Free Agency Rumblings (24:06–49:19)

Top Remaining Free Agents:

• Jalen Duren (Detroit Pistons; RFA):

  • Disappointing playoffs tanked his value.
  • “Is it worth the gamble to play out the qualifying offer? ... It’s a hell of a gamble if you got injured.” — Skeets (26:04)
  • Discussion: Duren’s camp wants ~$40M/year; Detroit offers closer to $30M. Consensus: He’ll settle for a significant long-term contract but well below his aspirations.

• James Harden (expected to sign with Cavs):

  • Probable 2-year deal, likely < $40M/year.
  • “It probably ended up costing him LeBron, the way reporting has gone, where it looked like LeBron didn’t want to play with Harden.” — Trey (29:07)

• Peyton Watson (Nuggets, RFA):

  • Defensive standout; team/offers reportedly ~$70–90M.
  • Watson’s camp seeks parity with teammate Christian Braun’s $125M deal.
  • Denver likely forced to choose between core “supporting cast” guys; sign-and-trade possible.

• Benedict Mathurin (Clippers, RFA):

  • “He’s just a guy.” — Trey (37:27)
  • Inconsistent, but still a potential scoring spark. Pelicans and Bulls rumored as suitors.

• Jonathan Kuminga (Hawks, RFA):

  • Lakers and Cavs have interest (hard cap issues complicate).
  • “There are a lot of guys who can score 17 points a game on middling efficiency… Those are two of them.” — Trey (40:36)

• Other Notable Veterans & Role Players:

  • DeMar DeRozan: Linked to Heat, Warriors, Wizards, Raptors.
  • Bradley Beal and Russell Westbrook: “These are just guys… [maybe] Beal to the Heat off the bench.” — Trey (43:25)
  • Others: Bruce Brown, Gabe Vincent, Kelly Olynyk, Cam Thomas, Brandon Williams, Kevin Love, Batum.

RFA Takeaways:

• The new CBA and lack of league-wide cap space “squeezes” RFAs:
  • “There’s no team with cap space, so it’s not like there’s matching offers out there.” — Skeets (48:04)
  • Team leverage at an all-time high; agents need to get deals done early.
  • “Restricted free agency works great for teams, not for players or agents.” — Trey (28:02)

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4. Draft: The Worst NBA Nicknames (49:45–81:51)

A lighthearted snake-draft among the hosts, selecting from only real basketball-reference nicknames.

Memorable Picks & Quotes:

• Dirty Dingus (George Carter) — Trey (51:06):

  • “I had to have it. ... George ‘Dirty Dingus’ Carter.”
  • “There’s a 1970 Western comedy named Dirty Dingus McGee… was every second guy you met on the street named Dirty Dingus?” — Skeets

• Plums (Mason Plumlee) — Tas (53:59):

  • “It’s just… It’s the genitals, let’s be honest.”

• STAT (Amar’e Stoudemire) — Skeets (55:01):

  • “It’s an acronym for ‘Standing Tall And Talented’—which I think makes it worse.”

• Chinese Food (Bobby Simmons) — Trey (61:41):

  • “His nickname is ‘Chinese Food’ because, before a Tokyo game, he said, ‘I don’t like Chinese food.’”

• The Moment (Tyrese Haliburton) — Tas (63:04):

  • “I hate it as a nickname. … You can’t address him by that nickname.”

• Slob Wizard (Josh Giddey) — Skeets (64:19):

  • “Especially with other things that were then happening with Josh Giddey in the news… Slob Wizard is bad.”

• John Contract (Jon Koncak) — Trey (65:28):

  • “To be known for signing a legendarily bad deal and they just call you John Contract for the rest of your life.”

• Eddie House (Carson Edwards) — Skeets (68:42):

  • “His nickname was just the name of an older player he reminded people of. … That’s so offensive to me for some reason!”

• Moose Breath (Dennis Awtrey) — Trey (70:35):

  • “He had stinky ass breath one day. Now forever, you’re Moose Breath.”

• The Big Sleep (Tracy McGrady) — Tas (72:35):

  • “It’s just not nice. It’s not nice to call this guy The Big Sleep.”

• Quick Wash (Markelle Fultz) — Skeets (73:59):

  • “Quick Wash. … Sounds like he’s washed, which is unfortunate for a guy that fell off so quickly.”

• The Causinator (Dwayne Causwell) — Trey (75:38):

  • “Sounds like a nickname of a buddy you went to high school with.”

• Best Shooter In The World (Damon Jones) — Tas (76:55):

  • “He pled guilty… Now, best shooter in the world doesn’t jive anymore.”

• Armadillo Cowboy (Joe Johnson) — Skeets (77:59):

  • “That’s a nickname I came up with and gave to Joe Johnson… I screwed it up… supposed to be the Amarillo Cowboy.”

Other rejected gems:

• Blumpy (Tony Campbell)
• Sweaty Meat Logs (Trey’s own kid’s nickname for his legs)

Honorable Mention/Stats Section (82:13):

• Luka Doncic: 10 nicknames
• Michael Jordan: 12 nicknames (“Magic Mike” included)
• Noted: “Mr. Catering” for Jose Calderon

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Episode Timestamps Guide

• 04:57 – LeBron to Philly: reaction, ripple effects, legacy implications
• 10:30 – Draymond’s 1-year Warrior deal; Warriors’ direction and “optionalities”
• 24:06 – Ranking top unsigned free agents
• 26:04 – Jalen Duren: RFA stand-off explained
• 29:07 – Harden/Cavs, Peyton Watson, other RFAs
• 37:27 – Mathurin, Kuminga, their value and possible fits
• 42:28 – Old stars: DeRozan, Beal, Westbrook
• 44:58 – Bench names (Bruce Brown, Olynyk, etc.), possible retirements (Jeff Green, Kevin Love, Batum)
• 49:45 – Draft intro: Worst NBA nicknames
• 51:06 onward – Draft picks and stories (Dirty Dingus, Plums, Chinese Food, etc.)
• 82:13 – Most nicknames for one player, “Mr.” nicknames
• 84:25 – Pirates of the Caribbean wins Movie Club poll
• End – Wrap-up

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Style, Tone, & Closing Notes

The crew’s classic playful and irreverent style is on full display—mixing NBA insider insight with deep-cut trivia and deft sarcasm. Their nickname draft is both hilarious and sneaky informative, serving as lighthearted summer content for hoops nerds.

Memorable Line:
“The window’s closed for the Warriors… I’d rather see Steph Curry win 38 games for the Warriors than win 45 games playing for the Charlotte Hornets next year.” — Trey (16:00)

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Summary Takeaways

• LeBron’s Philly shocker makes the 76ers instant contenders, with legacy-chasing subtext.
• Warriors’ era looks sunsetted: Draymond’s short deal highlights indecision; Curry’s future (and patience) is central.
• The RFA squeeze is real: Lack of cap space + punishing CBA rules make life tough for promising young players.
• Aging, ex-All-Stars are in limbo: DeRozan, Beal, Westbrook face sharply uncertain landing spots.
• Basketball-reference has some truly wild (and terrible) player nicknames—with some even invented or lampooned by the podcast itself.

For hoop heads, salary cap obsessives, and anyone who wants a laugh about “Dirty Dingus” and “Moose Breath,” this episode delivers.

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Did we miss your favorite terrible nickname? Have takes on Duren, Watson, or the Warriors’ predicament? Let the No Dunks crew know—hit the comments on YouTube or social.

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[C]

Not a lot of guys. Not a lot, not a lot of guys.

[A]

Intel and new sort of rumors around some of restricted free agent guys. We'll get into that. We'll also have some fun by drafting the worst NBA nickname nicknames of all time. We'll do five rounds of, I guess, crappy nicknames.

[C]

There's a lot of bad nicknames. I know a lot of them.

[B]

Yeah, there is.

[A]

But I got to know, did anything happen while I was away in Croatia on vacation?

[C]

Any big news that I need to know about? You saw the Janai Broom salary dump?

[A]

Do you see that?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah. Spot cleared for KCP on the Sixers. That was their big move.

[A]

That was the six. That's all they did. Okay.

[C]

Yeah, they made a couple of moves.

[A]

Yeah, that was. That was fun to see you guys. I guess it worked out timing wise for you after you did that Friday drop podcast and.

[B]

What?

[A]

Trey, you said like, 20, 25 minutes after you had wrapped up. Here comes the LeBron news. Perfect timing, 76ers. Yeah. So you're all here.

[B]

Thanks, LeBron.

[A]

Yeah, that was nice of them. And it was. Well, it was a sham's tweet. It was a shams tweet, but also some other tweets.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

That they had obviously choreographed.

[C]

He hasn't podcasted about it yet, though, has he?

[A]

No.

[C]

Thank. Upset. Upset alert.

[A]

Yeah. Crazy. That was very fun to find out. Over on the other side of the world. It was one of those weird things where I'm like, get the news and I'm, like, looking around. Is anybody else reacting? Here at the beach club I met,

[C]

they were all waiting for Hazona.

[A]

Nobody. Nobody cared.

[C]

Oh, no.

[A]

I mean, I guess nobody was on their phone, but I was excited to get your coverage, guys. You did a great job. Not really a ton to add. You guys already went through, like, how he's gonna fit offensively, can they hold up defensively, all the other things. But I gotta say, pumped as an east coast guy that LeBron is back on our side for those early start times. I mean, that's fun. But, man, that was a swerve. It was a swerve. As you guys address and everybody's addressed, I think him going to Philadelphia quite lower on the list of the options because, like, you're like. Like all the other ones felt like. I guess the best way to put is, like, easier options. Like, you could go to Golden State and just golf with your buddy. Yeah, that'd be sort of fun. Get the little Team USA matchup, him and Curry again. You could just go to Miami, let Giannis and. And bam carry the defensive burden, and you sort of slot in there. You could obviously just go back to Cleveland. It'd be like the lowest stakes of all time, really. I mean, it would be like just the swan song, but instead he goes, Philly.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, obviously he wanted to sign with the Knicks, but the Knicks won the championship. So he's like, I'll do the next best thing. I'll still live in New York, and I'll help break a curse for a team.

[A]

That's what he's going to try and do here.

[C]

And.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's going to be fun. Obviously, it makes an already exciting off season even more exciting with all the movement here. And Philadelphia now suddenly as, like, I guess, a contender.

[C]

Yeah, they are.

[A]

And they may have already been. I keep forgetting Jaylen Brown is on the Philadelphia 76ers.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

I'm sure he loves that.

[A]

Yeah, it's very, very, very weird. So we'll see if LeBron can do what no player's ever done before and try and lead a fourth team to a fourth championship. Obviously. Four different franchises. I guess I should put it like that. Yeah. That's got to be a part of the thinking, too, right? I guess. As he chased the ghosts of Michael.

[C]

Does that mean anything to you? Winning four?

[A]

No. But on different teams?

[C]

Not to me. Really? That means, like, oh, you've jumped to a lot of teams.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't mean much to me either. When we're all having this discussion in our chats is, has there been any guy who's done it with four teams? It's not one of those things that just weighs on your mind when it comes to sports, really, or basketball specifically. Who's done it to me, as you. You slipped in there, leads a fourth team. I think that's important here. He's going to a team where he's going to be looked at as a bit of a leader instead of going with Steph Curry. Like Draymond Green just said on his podcast, I understand why I didn't come to Gold State. He didn't want to be a Kevin Durant. I agree with Draymond Green and his podcast take and that part of it. And Philly just hasn't won. So is he going to be the best player? Playing with Jaylen Brown and Tyrese Maxey and Jolie be debatable, but it's. At least it's a debate. That's a big part of it.

[A]

I wanted to get your opinion finally, before we move on from LeBron. Cause there's been a lot of that talk. In his post to X, he said he was, like, grappling with basketball mortality here at the end of his last season, the 2526 campaign. And he said, I thought I was done when the season ended. Do you buy that at all?

[C]

No.

[A]

No. Okay.

[C]

I never thought LeBron was retiring last season. Literally never.

[A]

So he's just straight up lying.

[C]

I think it's called controlling the narrative. When LeBron does it, you.

[B]

Yeah. I don't buy that he thought he was done. I mean, when he stepped off the court, did he think, oh man, this could be it? Like for a minute maybe.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

Depends on how you look at it. But as far as the narrative goes, we just alluded to it was just four tweets. Like he didn't go all out. A guy who we think will enjoy his last year getting every single ovation in every single arena. Just four tweets while, you know, collabing with tops or whatever he did.

[C]

Yeah, a brand deal.

[A]

They sold 200,000 cards instantly.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, he's also making a documentary.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

This is not the only time we're going to hear about LeBron joining the Sixers.

[B]

I don't think that's true. Well, yes, and maybe that's why it took 27 days or whatever it took A lot of docs being shot, a lot of footage.

[A]

Well, let's talk about Draymond Green. That was the big news from yesterday. Draymond Green has agreed to return to the warriors on a one year, $27.7 million deal. So Green turned down is basically identical player option earlier this summer to help try and land LeBron. However, after LeBron eventually decided to head to Philly, Draymond and the warriors moved forward on the new deal here. But I think a lot of people expected maybe he would sign a multi year deal. So the eye opening part is that it is just a one year deal here for Draymond Green.

[B]

Your reactions to me, this just means it's going to be a lot of Golden State this year saying, okay, where do we get our star? Like you said, it's a one year option here. So they're going to be waiting until probably next year. They're going to try throughout this season to go get somebody, but it's a lot of rinse, repeat with this team. That's just what it is. They're going to have options to be able to trade to go get a star to help him and Steph. Essentially they do have like a Kristaps Porzingis 20 million dollar contract. Here you go, Pelicans. Trey Murphy is. Is he available? Here you go, Christops. Porzingis. Plus draft picks. So they have options. But really this is what it is. As you said, one year. So it's him and Steph signed for one year. They can hope that Jimmy Bellair comes back. They can hope that Draymond Green helps out Yaxel Lindenborg, who's going to be 24 and look really good in summer league. So there's that excitement. If LeBron comes and joins him, this team could be good. But really it's just one more year to me and hopefully for them they get it during the season rather than next off season. But that's what it is to me.

[C]

I mean, they're running back a 37 win team and they added a 24 year old rookie. That's not exciting if you're a Warriors fan, but it does mean you're at least getting the band back together one more time, I guess. Steve Kerr has two years on his deal. Steph Curry becomes extension eligible on August 29th. We'll see what he decides to do. But they do have Draymond. Stephen, Jimmy, he is still there for at least another season, but the window's closed for the Warriors. Like, I don't care if they pull off a trade for Trey Murphy. That would be awesome. He would be a great help to them. That doesn't put them in the compass in the conversation in the Western Conference. For me, the warriors have missed the playoffs in four of the last seven seasons. They've missed it in two of the last four seasons because they keep having to go into the play. In their last real move to try and be a championship contender was Jimmy Butler. The team looked good, they were winning. And then Steph got hurt in the playoffs. That season was over. They come back next year, they're 25 and 19. On January 19, 2026, Jimmy Butler tears his ACL and that's the end of the era for the warriors, especially if they're not going to be chipping in these future picks that they obviously could trade if they want to. But they're just eyeing a time when Steph Curry is no longer going to be a Warrior. They've been doing that for basically five seasons. Looking ahead to when Steph is going to be retired, that means he might play for another team. I don't think it's likely. Yeah, but it definitely is interesting that he's going to be extension eligible. If he doesn't sign it on August 29, people will start going crazy on the fake trades with this guy.

[A]

Oh, I mean, they've already started. I mean, the whole entire conversation after LeBron has gone to Philly is now all eyes on Golden State and what's going on with Curry and this idea of like, yeah, they failed him. Have they failed him? Have they just been looking Too far ahead. Did they botch? It feels like the warriors front office did a lot of what I did in Croatia. Just tread water. Just tread water in the Adriatic Sea, baby. You know, salty, it's buoyant, helps you there. But that's like what they're doing here. And it's sort of. It's sad. If you're a Curry fan, obviously a Warriors fan going, this guy still was at an elite level, maybe even still is, of course. And what have they done? They just seem to strike out, miss out on every big name that's possibly on the market, from like your Lowry marketins to your Giannis' to obviously now even LeBron. But their three highest paid players, Curry, Jimmy and Draymond, they could all enter free agency in 2027. And then their fourth highest player, Porzingis, that deal is only guaranteed for 3 million in 2728. So there could be a super hard reset here. But then they do other moves, like even the Porzingis and the Horford of it all, it's like, well, what are you doing? You're not really picking the lane and you're sort of just, again, treading water is a way to put it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I don't know, frustrating.

[B]

It is odd to see Porzingis signed again when he wasn't successful there, but he becomes one of those tradable contracts at 20 million. It's a nice number if you want to try and push forward with something around Steph Curry. But yeah, you could go into next free agency with all those guys coming off the books, essentially, and try and get somebody. So, yeah, August 29th will be interesting if he resigns. It'll also be interesting to see how much he plays this season. Like, does he go all out and play 80 games or, you know, 75 games, whatever it is, after only playing 43 games last year. Because he's really, really good. As our man Marcus Thompson pointed out on the Athletic when Steph talked to him after having limited number of games that he plays, his next season is really, really good. And so he only played half the year last year. It'll be interesting to see if he's kind of slows play it slow plays it. And then we can see what Jimmy Butler looks like in January, February when he comes back.

[A]

That's the issue. Two of their, like, whatever top seven guys are like not going to be playing for a majority of the season. And Jimmy Butler and Moody.

[B]

So it's like, yeah, and Jimmy's really old, so how's he going to Bounce

[C]

back like their top six paid players are all 35 and older. It's not a surprise when these guys miss 15 to 20 games at a time. So I give the Warriors a lot of credit for actually going for Jimmy Butler. That was the one time they were able to actually get the guy they were going after. But they've struck out on Jalen Brown, LeBron, Giannis, AD. They could have went after Kawhi if they wanted this summer. Siakam, og, Paul, George, Lowry, Markkanen. They got Jimmy Butler. He's old and he got hurt within a year of them trading for him. So that's what happens when you stack with older players. And the unfortunate way with the way that the NBA salary cap works is like Curry is just getting more and more expensive. He's still a great player. He's not an MVP candidate right now. He's not like a top five player. But he's going to be paid like a top three player when it all comes said and done. So you go and look at the guys who ended up being lifers recently. Kobe's last season on the lakers, they won 17 games. Dirks last season on the Mavs, they won 33 games. When you get to that stage, when you're that highly paid but you're not quite at the level you were, it becomes impossible to build a real team around you. So if Steph Curry goes and signs like a $65 million extension, it's just going to be a tribute act until the end. And you know what? That's fine. I'd rather see Steph Curry win 38 games for the warriors than win 45 games playing for the Charlotte Hornets next year.

[B]

Yeah, it's unlikely that they're able to support him with a second player, but they do have the options now.

[C]

They had the options this summer. They had. That's the thing with the warriors. They always have the options. They can always go after the same guy. So not only are they Running back a 37 win team, they're running back a. Oh, we're going to trade for the next big star as well. Do it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those guys that you mentioned. Yeah, it all comes down to which guy are you giving up and, and the draft picks. And so yeah, we can get into it. Jalen Brown was apparently available according to espn, that they were able to offer a trade for in February. That was, that was a rumor. So yeah, there's lots of, lots of options here.

[C]

They said at the draft too. And the warriors basically said four first rounders that's too much for us. And the Sixers said not for us. And they got Jalen Brown and LeBron.

[A]

Yeah. And that's the big one. If you had gotten Jalen Brown, that was two.

[B]

And Paul George, two draft picks and Paul George. See these numbers that were there thrown out. Oh, the Golden State warriors could have given up before. Like, isn't it worth it? Yeah, if they could have. I. These are all just rumors, that's all. I mean, yeah, they could have given up four picks. It only took two in Paul George for Philadelphia. Like, I mean, it's just these numbers all don't. They're all just rumors again.

[C]

Okay, but you don't think it's worth it for four first round picks and Jimmy Butler contract to get Jaylen Brown?

[B]

It's. Yeah, it's a lot. The Sixers didn't even do it. You know what I mean? It's like that makes more sense if it is two picks, two draft picks and Paul George. Anyway, all I'm saying is that it's all just these rumored numbers and all that. So I do think they do have the flexibility. Yeah. We are here again with the Golden State Warriors. There's no doubt.

[A]

Flexibility, optionality.

[C]

That's all they talk about.

[A]

Literally the front of his mo. Yeah.

[C]

And they. All they did this year was bring in a 24 year old rookie. That's it. With their optionality. Yeah, maybe that's not a good option to me.

[A]

And look, and then, I mean, not that we need to regurgitate it, but it's like all the picks they've had over these last couple seasons, like I'm going back now, they, they struck out on a couple of them and maybe it's different if it's not James Wiseman or even Kaminga and you know, they nail one, two of those. It's different because now there's young players that you either grow up alongside your silk core or you trade those guys and stuff like that, so.

[B]

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[A]

Doesn't he make the exact same amount of money as Trey Murphy?

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[A]

All right, let's go to the best free agents available here and the latest intel because LeBron made the NBA's most intriguing off season decision when he signed with the Sixers last Friday. But free agency still marches on. Maybe, you know, other dominoes start to fall here. I guess Draymond Green did yesterday because we sort of, I don't know, is a large batch. Probably that's a bit of a stretch. Some intriguing players still remain available. We got restricted free agents caught in some contentious contract standoffs. We got former superstars that are like just trying to extend their careers here. And we got some proven role players that could maybe help a team. So let's go through some here ranking them. I guess, you know, the most impressive name still available. It's Jalen Duran, restricted free agent with the Pistons. We've talked about this now here for weeks, but during the regular season this guy was pretty impressive. Looked like one of the best bigs in the league, especially considering his age. He earned an all NBA selection that made him eligible for a rookie max extension. And then the postseason happened and his scoring dropped from like 20 points per game to 10. His field goal percentage plummeted, his turnover rate skyrocketed, his rebounding rate dropped. I mean he was. And this was against what, Wendell Carter Jr. And and then the Cavs. So it was bad for him. He lost a lot of money. Now Jake Fisher spoke to two GMs this week who were of the impression that Duran's widely anticipated return to Detroit might not get finalized until closer to the start of training camp. So this could go on a while here. And Mark Stein said league sources tell him Duran is weighing the unappealing prospect of playing out the 26, 27 season on a qualifying offer. You're seeing a lot of that now. Duran, maybe Peyton Watson, this idea of just hell of a gamble it would be, you know, especially if you got injured just taking the minimal money here, not locking up a big term contract to then test unrestricted free agency. But what do you think here? Task Jill and Duran as number one on our list?

[B]

I don't think either of those guys you mentioned, Duran or Watson, ends up taking just a qualifying offer for next season. I think they end up saying signing a long term deal, although restricted free agency ain't all that appealing. It's the the least sexiest term that we throw out there in July and August and September, as you said, because it lingers. It ain't sexy anymore under this new cba. I think Jalen Duran ends up signing with Detroit because there ain't no other options for somebody who's going to sign him anywhere close to the dollars that he wants. Yeah, it's all my. It's all a figure. Does he get up to 200 for five years? Seemingly it's going to going to get way lower than that.

[A]

Right? That's what, that's what I would. Of course I believe his camp wants that 40 plus million dollar annual average. And I'm sounds like the Pistons Trey want closer to the the 30, the 32 maybe sort of range here and this is the difference. Pretty big gap, honestly.

[C]

Pretty big. Still, whatever Jalen Duran gets from the Pistons is going to be more than if he took the qualifying offer. And that's without having the potential to lose more money. He can't guarantee he's going to have a better playoffs this next coming season. After having an awesome regular season. The guy was all NBA third team. So he's looking at it. He's saying Walker Kessler got 30 million a year. That guy's done nothing in the NBA. You better pay me 40 million a year. Meanwhile, the Pistons are looking at saying, hey, they got Walker Kessler for 30 million a year. They had him over a barrel. Restricted free agency, that's probably an overpay for Walker Kessler. Maybe they think the Pistons that they can get Jalen Duran for under 30 million. To me, 5 for 150 is probably what's going to happen. And you know, it breaks down whatever the annual average value is during that. I just think it will last until probably September because there's no incentive for a team to really chase after Jason or Jalen Duran. There's no incentive for the Pistons to go out of their way to increase their offer. They're in the right here. This is why restricted free agency works great for teams and not for players or agents.

[B]

I mean, agents really have to go into every off season thinking, we got to get this done before he enters. Restricted free agency, that's got to be the new MO of an agent. Look at all the guys this year like Benedict Matheran will get in. Peyton Watson will get into Kaminga. Well, actually he's passed that now, but all of those guys, it's just, it's terrible year after year.

[A]

Even last year. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cam Thomas, Quentin Grimes, probably forgetting other names. Yeah, no, it's not good for restricted free agency for the players and the agents there. James Harden's number two on my list now. I think this is just like a matter of when he signs with Cleveland. 17 year vet. Expected to sign with the Cavs after he opted out of his pre existing contract to allow the franchise more financial flexibility again, maybe try and get LeBron back home. The potential new deal is expected to last no more than two years. That's the latest reporting. Best guess on what this looks like, TK I mean, can I throw a two year, two year 80 million? I know, I know. But think about the player option he turned down.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, you're probably right with regards to what he's actually turning down, but we know that basically James Harden has a wink, wink deal with the, with the Cavs. It probably ended up costing him LeBron James. The way reporting has gone where it looked like the LeBron didn't want to play with James Harden. He wanted to play with Darius Garland who's now on the Clippers. But the Cavs did the deal with Harden and like, yeah, we're going to extend you when it comes time. So I guess, man, two years, $80 million. That sounds ridiculous to me. But you're right.

[A]

You're the biggest James Harden fan. I know, I know, I know.

[C]

But it's 20, 26, man. It ain't 2016. You don't need to be paying this guy 40 mil per season when he's 100 years old.

[A]

Yeah, they went well, they went 19 and 7 when Harden came over and obviously made a run for them. At least they made their conference finals.

[C]

That was the point.

[A]

And they got waxed. But yeah, what do you think on Harden here?

[B]

Yeah, he is just waiting to see when the Mario Hazona deal gets done because that ain't even done. It's just about dollars for him. But I do think it's going to be less, I think.

[A]

Oh, you think I'm too high?

[B]

Yeah, I think, I think like, like Draymond Green turned down $27 million in a player option he was supposed to sign for.360 if LeBron got there. Now it hasn't happened. It didn't happen. So he signed for 1 in 27. And so I think the agreement, the handshake is cheaper than his player option over two years. You know, I think it'll be cheaper

[A]

just because there's a year, another year.

[B]

Yeah. Yes, yes. And he's old, third on the list.

[A]

You know, the aforementioned Peyton Watson, restricted free agent with the Nuggets. Now, for those that are not keeping up with him, obviously an athletic swing man, had a really good year, can hit threes or did hit threes at a, at a consistent rate, high level havoc defensively, really talented on that end, especially when it comes to blocking shots for his size. So Stein reported that the Nuggets initial contract offer was somewhere in the range of 70 million over four years. So 17 and a half million per year. But that is a figure that is well below the other guy on his team. And I think this is the issue here in Christian Brown, who got the $125 million five year extension last October. That's just about to kick in. Like that's starting here. So 25 mil per. Watson's got to be looking at him going, I'm better than him. I'm trajectory wise alone, and even what I've already produced. So this one feels like a huge gap too. And again, there's been some rumors of this idea if he takes just a qualifying offer to then hit unrestricted free agency, which actually, oddly, maybe the Nuggets would be okay with because they're working their books here and their aprons and all that. But you don't think that still is a thing because it's such a massive gamble for the player. I mean, you just tear an Achilles and then you're cooked.

[B]

Yeah, this is a unique scenario because they've entered the second apron, the only team that's there. So they're looking to move on from one of their other supporting guys, whether it's Christian Brown or Cam Johnson. I think Peyton Watson is actually more important than Aaron Gordon on this team. I know it sounds crazy because Aaron Gordon is their guy, but they need Peyton Watson's athleticism. They need his youth. Aaron Gordon's body is failing him and Peyton Watson can be super, super good. It wasn't just shooting the 3. I thought he was really good in that 16 game stretch where Jokic was out putting the ball on the floor and scoring. And defensively he was the best defensive player on the other side. So he's super important. Is it a gamble? Yeah, several years paying him? Yeah, because he was also injured this season. He also hasn't done it a lot in his career. So it is scary the numbers being thrown out there. Our man Tony Jones at the athletic through 5 for 70. So it's just 14 per stein throughout the ads, it's more like 16 to 18 and that's what he's going to end up taking. But they need him so bad. It's such a drop off after Jokic and Jamal Murray. Whether it's Christian Brown not looking like himself and worthy of that contract, Aaron Gordon's body failing him, or Cam Johnson who didn't look like the player that they got. Now you can squint and say Cam Johnson was decent at times, Christian Brown was decent at times. But I think they really need Peyton Watson. But the books are an important part here. It's a unique scenario in Denver.

[C]

Yeah, Christian Brown's just lucky he came up for his contract before Peyton Watson did. At that point when Christian Brown got paid his 5 year 125 million, which like you're saying Skeets hasn't even kicked in yet. Finally kicking in the season, Brown had accomplished more than Peyton Watson had a bad season last year after coming back from injury. Christian Brown did. Meanwhile, Peyton Watson had an awesome 16 games and he's trying to get paid basically off those 16 games. I think the Nuggets need to keep him if they're able to keep him on a 5 year $70 million deal. Absolute steal for Denver. I don't actually think he can replace Aaron Gordon. I don't think Watson guards bigger guys the way that Gordon can. I don't think he rebounds in the same way, but it's more so he's going to be comparing himself to Christian Brown and he's saying Christian Brown is getting 25 million a year. There's no way I'm taking anything less than that. It might mean he has to take the qualifying offer. I think it's more reasonable for him to do it since he'll be taking less of a pay cut than Jalen Duran would be since Duran thinks he's a, you know, a $40 million player. Watson, less established, doesn't have the all NBA credentials, but at least for him, there are some teams out there that could get to his number with trade exceptions. The Bucks are looking at him. The Clippers, the Hawks, they all want to do a sign and trade. That wouldn't be good for Denver, but at least it would be a way for them to get something back because it feels like they're pretty far apart on this.

[A]

Yeah. Fisher says the Nuggets are looking for at least two first round picks in a sign and trade deal involving Watson if they were to do that. Shams reported that the Nuggets lowered their asking price in a potential sign and trade. He said, quote, the Nuggets initially had set a price this off season of similar to the Walker Kessler deal. Two first two swaps. Now apparently the price is a really good high level player as well as a first round pick. So as much as you say you love the idea if you're the Nuggets to keep Watson task, yeah, maybe this is something they're exploring just because of the log jam of sort of these guys that sort of all play somewhat of a similar position and just all of them being paid here. In addition to obviously Jokic as your main guy. You got Murray, Max guy. I mean they're, they're squeezed here and somebody does have to be moved. I'm with you. I'd have Watson above a lot of these other guys. The Cam Johnson's, the Christian Browns for sure. The Aaron Gordon one's debatable. But yeah, this is, this is a tough spot here and maybe this is

[B]

a sign and trade a good sign for Denver Nuggets fans if they want to keep Peyton Watson. The Nuggets haven't done a lot when it comes to the bench and they let Tim Hardaway go and they let Jonas Valachunas go. You know, they replace them with smaller parts. But maybe they are thinking we, yeah, we're, we're going into the tax in a deep way that not a lot of people expected. People think this team never spends money and they're spending money at. Well, at this point they can obviously change it. But that's, that's, that's a good sign I suppose. But yeah, they, they got to move some part. It's just such a, an oddly manufactured team at this point with how everybody has sort of fallen off beyond Jokic

[A]

and Jamal Murray, number four on the list, another restricted free agent, Benedict Mathren with the Clippers. He's a scorer, but his three point shot abandoned him in the second half of last season. I had to triple check. I was like is this right? He shot 20% from distance after the All Star break. So it was a bad stretch there. But he is a scorer. Ben the Baker. At times he's a weird player because, you know, we've seen him in finals games where he popped off and you're like, ooh, this guy sort of looks like a potential maybe star in this league. And then at other times, he looks unplayable. So he's a weird player. Fischer says there are fresh rumbles. It's my new favorite saying. Fresh rumbles, fresh rumbles.

[B]

Fisher.

[A]

Yeah. Regarding Matheran situation, sources say the Pelicans have showed the strongest trade interest in Matheran. And there was also, like, a second unnamed suitor from the Stein line. And we have learned that it's the Chicago Bulls. So a couple teams maybe kicking the tires here on. On something here with Benedict Matheran. I'll start with you, Trey.

[C]

Your reaction to him here, he's just a guy. Benedict Matheran to me is slightly smaller. Jonathan Kaminga, he can score, and that's about it. If he's rolling, it looks great. He had a couple of awesome Finals games, which is basically all that anybody remembers about Benedict Matheren. You mentioned he shot 20% for half of a season. Nobody thinks that about that. They think about him scoring 24 points in the final game. I think that somebody will get Benedict Matheran on a pretty cheap deal pretty soon, and he'll be fine, and we'll be talking about him again in free agency.

[B]

Yeah, if you go deeper than just the Finals games. He had some good times with the Pacers where He's shooting the 3 really well. And so when he went to the Clippers, like you're referring to those last couple months of the season, yeah, they're bad, but, yeah, those times with the Pacers also, just not consistent enough. You look through the whole catalog of Benedict Matheran, he's shooting below average in terms of true shooting percentage across the board of an NBA player below NBA average last season. And so it ain't that great, but he gets buckets.

[A]

He gets to the rim.

[C]

He mostly gets.

[A]

He puts pressure on a defense, which obviously is a skill that he has. And he's still young and all that, but, yeah, he's number four here on the list. Let's pair him with Kaminga at number five with the Hawks right now. Now, the Cavs are reportedly still interested maybe in a signing trade to add Kaminga. Could be difficult because they are hard capped at the first apron. So it's a bit of a challenge there when it comes to a trade construction with Atlanta that they would find suitable. Fisher also says the Lakers would still like to sign Kaminga, make them their starting small forward. Hey, there's a spot right here for you. Jonathan Kaminga, fifth on the list.

[B]

I think that Lakers fit is questionable. You're going to start beside Luca and Austin Reeves. It's scary. You're not a great defensive player. That's clear. You can get buckets. But beside Luca and Austin Reese, who isn't an incredible defensive player, you want somebody who's a really good defensive player. So that idea of a signing trade, which has got to be multiple years, it's got to be three years. You're devoting a lot to Jonathan Kaminga who's never really been trusted at this point to have a long term deal. So that is questionable big time. Now you could say J.J. redick will get him to buy in and coming off the bench and he'll be great and he, maybe he can play fourth quarters. I get it. But it sounds like a lot of money when it comes to what the Hawks and the Lakers will end up agreeing to in, in a sign in trade.

[C]

I have no idea what Kaminga is going to make here because the he played pretty decently I thought in the first round for the Hawks. He looked good after the trade, like he was fitting in and everybody eats situation. He was running the court, he was looking like an athlete. And they said there ain't no way we're paying you $24.3 million. So we know Kaminga wants to get paid seriously, we know he wants a big role. I guess the Lakers have a slightly bigger role than the Cavs.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

Do they?

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either.

[C]

There's a lot of high usage players at the top of both of those teams rosters. So I don't know. I can't believe we're talking about Jonathan Kaminga's free agency again. This is a guy who is like I said with Benedict Mathurin, this is just a guy. There are a lot of guys who can score 17 points a game on middling efficiency if you give him enough possessions. And those are two of them.

[B]

Yeah. And the Hawks continuously get a guy who's at the end of his contract. Your Kamingas, your Chris Staps, Porzingis and then let him go. So they're a great roster in terms of tradable players that you can put together and say all right, superstar time eventually. And Kuminga could have been one of Those guys, if they brought him back for cheap, but they're not going to, so they have ton of assets otherwise. So they're just saying goodbye, essentially, to a guy that played well. As you said, Trey, there were good times.

[A]

Yeah, I. I do. I mean, I like that comparison. Now I think about it, like you said, Matheran and Kamingo, I. They're like, you catch them on the right night again, you go, damn, they're. They're. That's a potential superstar. Honestly, you see it obviously, consistency is a huge issue. They are more just scorers. That's the other thing. They're not helping in other ways. Will either of these guys, like, figure it out? Like, if I want to have a really long career here and make hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, like, commit myself to the defensive end as well and become maybe more of a team player, who will do that first? Well, both will. Neither. Yeah, I see a little bit of comparisons between them.

[B]

Yeah, it's a good comparison in terms of how much they've come off the bench and not been starters, but it seems like they're veering towards one guy will be okay being a starter and one guy won't. I'm guessing that Matheran will be okay being a bench guy, but I could be wrong.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

I could be very.

[C]

Well, we hear a lot more about Kaminga's role than we hear about Mather and talking about his role, right?

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Six, seven and eight. I'm going to lump together. It's DeMar DeRozan, it's Bradley Beal, and it's Russell Westbrook. You know, three.

[C]

Yep, it is.

[A]

I was going to say three future hall of Famers and be all very questionable. DeRozan. I think he's in. Westbrook is a lock. And then Beal is going to be one of those, like, maybe. Probably on the outside. But anyway, these guys are probably going to be on a new team. Yeah. Now, DeRozan's been linked to the Heat, the Warriors, potential return of the Raptors. There was another one that just dropped. I forget the team that he's been linked to here, the Wizards. Yeah, yeah. Sean said that. That's right. The Wizards are looking for another score.

[B]

Demar ON the Wizards. Get out of here.

[C]

I just played two seasons on the Kings. Yeah, that's the difference.

[B]

Well, he wants to, you know, maybe end his career somewhere where it's not a loser of a loser.

[C]

I think the kid. The Wizards would be an upgrade from the Kings this season. Unfortunately for DeMar DeRozan, yeah, that would be it.

[A]

And then Beal Westbrook, like I said. Yeah. Of those three, I guess, who interests you the most or intrigued the most by Beal?

[C]

I guess, honestly, Bradley, he's three years younger. That's the only thing I can say positively about any of these three guys. Apparently, Westbrook is looking at Europe, maybe.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, He's. He's almost 38 years old. He also played for the Kings last year. Like, these are just guys we know. Bradley Beal played six games last season. He had back surgery, I think. Right. Like, he might be three years younger, but that's an old man injury to have. But he was one of those guys. There's 17 points out there. Go get them. And he did it for the Suns. I still think Bradley Beal could get 14 points coming off the bench for the Miami Heat.

[B]

Yeah. Even if he's three years younger, he ain't gonna play as much as Demar.

[A]

No, that's true.

[B]

Demar plays. I mean, he's been in the league 17 years. He's playing whenever you want him to play. And so I think the fit there with the Miami Heat works the best because he's going to play a lot. And they need to score desperately because of what they've constructed, how much they have to give up for Giannis. So I think DeMar there makes sense. Is he just waiting around now because of the Kawhi Leonard scenario? Maybe not. Maybe that's me reaching to say he wants to go back to Toronto. But it seems like that's. That's a hot thing, guys going back to their old teams. But I think Miami's the one.

[A]

Other names. Because now we're getting into the bit of the dregs here. Bruce Brown. Oh, yeah, that's your guy. You love him. Gabe Vincent. Who's more of your guy? Gabe Vincent or Bruce Brown task? Because those are two free agents names still available.

[B]

Jeremy. Give me the Bruce. Nobody trusts Bruce.

[A]

Kelly Olenek, Cam Thomas. Brandon Williams actually was pretty solid as a guard for the Mavericks. He's out there, I think. Nick Richards, Kevin Love. There's another old guy, Batum. Old Seth Curry. I didn't say Steph said Seth. That's where we're at here. You like you're interested in Bruce Brown?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Off a bench. He can help. He helped steal a ball from Rudy Gobert in Game 1 of the Nuggets Wolves series this year. That guy, he put game one of that series. Bruce Brown put up 20. Was it 20 or. Hold on. Am I getting it conflated. He had like five steals that game. That was the one big steal out there getting in with Ruby. Rudy Gobert feels like he's got some legs left. He's not an old man. So.

[A]

28, 29. Wait. Yeah. Same birthday, are you? The 15th?

[B]

Yeah, same birthday.

[A]

You share a birthday.

[B]

I didn't even know that. Me and Bruce. Yeah, the Bruce Truce hang out, man. Yeah, I'm taking Bruce over. Gabe Vincent. What are the. What are his stats?

[C]

Nah, I'm impressed. Five Steel game. I was going to say tell me something that Bruce Brown did last season because I can't think of it. But you're right, he did have a five steal game. And apparently he helped steal a ball from Rico bear in game one.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

That was the fourth quarter of game one.

[C]

They scored 38 points total in the series. So he didn't have a 20 point game.

[B]

I got. Maybe I'm just over inflating what he performed like in game one.

[C]

But I'm impressed. I'm impressed that you would know the five steals off the top here.

[B]

Oh, it was awesome. That was an awesome game for me. I thought he was the. He was the key coming off the bench being their energy. But they just let him go. I was a little surprised by that. Why not bring him back for a minimum? I guess they're just waiting to see what they do.

[C]

Yeah, they still could, I guess.

[B]

I guess they could.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. He did play in every game last year for the Nuggets too.

[B]

Oh, he's an 82 most.

[A]

Most off the bench. But an 82 game player in today's NBA is like, okay, good for you, Bruce.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Giddy up. How many cowboy hats?

[C]

Okay, so do you think these guys will retire? Jeff Green, Kevin Love, Nick Batum, Garrett Temple, Thanasis, Antetokounmpo. All free agents.

[B]

Temple.

[A]

Temple. Yes.

[B]

I think Temple said yes.

[A]

I think. I thought so too.

[B]

Yeah. I think he announced it.

[A]

I think Love will be on a roster.

[C]

You think so?

[A]

Yeah, I agree. I sort of do.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. The other ones you said Jeff Green. Jeff Green, Wow. I'd love to see one more Jeff Green dunk. He's got one more in him.

[C]

Put him in dunk.

[A]

Man.

[C]

He might have like three teams he hasn't played for at this point in his career. He's never been a Bull. Come on down. Why not? Nick B. He played like 75 games last year.

[A]

Yeah, I could see.

[C]

Ridiculous.

[A]

I think he'll be on a roster.

[C]

I think he's been trying to retire for season. It seems like I'm retiring after the Paris Olympics.

[A]

They won't let him.

[C]

Simply won't let him.

[A]

No, he's still solid enough.

[C]

And then Banasi, no deal from the heat yet.

[A]

Yeah. 34 years old.

[C]

I'll say a 10 day guy towards the end of the season.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Can you. Can his podcast producers outbid the Miami Heat? Keep him in Milwaukee on that couch maybe.

[A]

Okay. That's where we are at free agency. A lot of those. The most interesting names are restricted free agents for sure. Especially if you believe Harden is just going to be signing with Cleveland there and whatever the number is. But, but the, the for sure. The Duran, the Watson and. And the Mathurin is. Is interesting and they don't usually still they don't use. There's no team with cap spaces. So it's not like there's matching offers out there and you're like, oh, why isn't the Nets throwing it off? They just. Nobody has any. So more likely than not, I guess they'll all be with their teams outside of a signing trade or like a friction so much between the player and the agent and then the team, let's. Let's say endurance case or something like where there's anger built up now and resentment. I don't know. It is a business. It's unfortunate. You're still hopefully getting paid 30 plus million dollars, you know, and this is like life changing money. That's the thing when you talk about the qualifying offer, you're like okay, $6 million, like nobody's gonna roll their eyes at that. But like we are talking about 150 plus million, whatever, 70 million. Watson's key like this is, this is your first massive deal. And again there's no gamble of an injury or stuff like that or even, you know, maintaining the level that got you into these conversations for that type of money. Because then you get into the worry of like what if the franchise, you know, so does buries us. So to buries the player, so to speak a little bit and pecking orders and stuff like that.

[B]

So there was a rumor out of there for Ben Math going to the New Orleans Pelicans, as Mark Stein put it, coming off the bench there. That kind of makes sense. Like it's a one year trial to try and get paid against next season because the Pelicans like to give guys a try that didn't work out with other teams. You know, your, your Jordan Pools, your Sadiq Bays, your Deante Marie even to some degree. So there. That seems Like a good fit.

[A]

All right, let's get to drafting the worst NBA nicknames. This is something we thought up earlier this week. We thought we could have some fun here as some summer activities on the show. We're going to do five rounds of this. So a lot of bad nicknames will be drafted. I had forgotten right before we went live to come up with a trivia question, as I like to do to see of you two guys, who gets to pick first in our draft? So here it is.

[B]

Bad nicknames.

[A]

Here it is. Okay, it's got nothing to do with the NBA. What's the exact runtime of Christopher Nolan's the Odyssey? I want total minutes. Total minutes. Okay, so don't give me hours minutes. Just give me total minutes. Okay, so, yeah, I'll let you go

[B]

first and then he can go over under 161.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

161.

[A]

You said 161 minutes from ta. Well over 172 minutes. Two hours, 52 minutes. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Damn it.

[A]

Did you do the thing correctly?

[B]

Oh, no, no, no. I guess. I guess. 241. 2 hours, 41 minutes. But that's my mistake again. I'll have to repeat myself from other shows. It flew by. So maybe that's why I'm saying It was only 241.

[A]

That's impressive. Good. Well, I just got my tickets for. For Friday. I catch up with you guys. JD's already seen it eight times, so I gotta at least watch it once I figure.

[B]

Okay, so Trey, figure out the how Lebron is Odysseus.

[A]

Oh, yes, yes, of course he is.

[B]

He is.

[A]

So, Trey, you have the first pick here in the worst NBA nicknames draft. Now, all of these nicknames have to be on basketball reference.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, you can't make up one like a weird puntas is said maybe once upon a time. That's not on basketball reference. Gotta be on basketball reference. Where you starting, man?

[C]

Well, I'm really thrilled to get the number one pick because when I looked through all 2844 lines on the spreadsheet that was sent to us, of these nicknames, one stuck out to me. I had to have it. Like I said, 2,844 entries. Some of these guys have more than one nickname.

[A]

Oh, God, yeah.

[C]

Easily 5,000 nicknames in the basketball reference database.

[A]

I think you're maybe even low. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

And the one that caught my eye, that I knew I was going to pick with my first pick, assuming it lasted this long, is a guy who played from 1967. To 1976 in the NBA. His name was George Carter. I'm lying to you. He didn't even play. He played one season in the NBA, then everything else in the aba. His name is George Carter and his nickname is Dirty Dingus. What?

[A]

See, I was wondering how people were going to approach this. Like, were you going to go with names and players that we actually knew or just straight up guys we've never heard of but have a crazy nickname like Dirty Dingus George?

[B]

That's.

[A]

And Trey answered the question. He's going with the obscure player with the crazy nickname.

[C]

Okay. I got some names on the list of guys that we know. And of course, as we all remember, George Carter was an all star for the Virginia squires in the 71 season in the ABA. So a known player, but George Dirty Dingus Carter.

[A]

Did you do any research on why he got the nickname? No. Didn't want that in your history. Okay. Dirty Dingus George Carter. There's a 1970 Western comedy named Dirty Dingus McGee.

[C]

1970, did you say? Okay, so like, same time frame.

[A]

I know. I'm wondering if there's any crossover. Yeah, there is. Stars Frank Sinatra and George. Oh, wait, maybe that's. Is that the tie? What? George Kennedy.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

He's the sheriff, I guess.

[C]

I don't know how we got it. I'll do some research.

[A]

That's fine. That's fine. All right, so, yeah, give me the Dirty Dink.

[B]

That was the time for questionable nicknames. I mean, that. Those couple decade. Decades. I didn't even mean to say that. But lots of. Lots of questionable ones. I kind of stayed away from that time. That era.

[A]

Dingus era.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was every second guy you met on the street was named Dirty Dingus.

[B]

Although with my first pick.

[A]

Okay, go ahead.

[B]

I'll stay in that. That region.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That physical region. Oh, okay. Mason Plumlee, his nickname is Plums. Not a fan. It's just. It's. It's the genitals, let's be honest. And somebody can literally start chalking trash to you. On the other side, you can be picked on. You know, somebody will literally grab their plums and say, I. I just kicked you in the plums. You know, suck on these plums. That kind of thing. So, yeah, just because I'm staying in the same region, I. I didn't find this hard at all. I think there's like a thousand names. There's a lot.

[C]

A lot of bad, a lot of weird ones.

[A]

But now. Now the good thing for Mason Plumlee. Plum's bad. But Plum Dog Millionaire. That's good, I think. Good.

[B]

Very good.

[A]

Maybe it's because we've said it for years, but solid. It's a. I'm a fan of that one.

[B]

Well, you just brought up the movie that came out for. Yeah, for the Dingus. Yeah. That happened to Mason Plummer.

[A]

Right. With Slumber.

[B]

Well time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well timed.

[A]

Okay. Two off the. Off the board here. Interesting. I didn't have them on my short list.

[C]

Yeah, I wonder if there will be any. We're like, oh no, I think there's

[A]

one that I'm like worried one of you is going to take. I am going with. Well, our best player of the bunch. No offense to George Carter or Mason Plumlee. I'm going for my worst NBA nickname. My number one pick. Amari Stoudemire's Stat. That's a horrible nickname. Now it's an acronym for standing tall and talented, which I think makes it worse. It was just Stat. You're like, oh, does he just fill a box score? That's what it's about.

[C]

That's cool.

[A]

Big numbers. Yeah, it's not bad. No, Standing Tall and talented. It's a self given nickname. That's the thing. I think he's got it tattooed on his arm. It's how he used to be addressed by everyone around him. Yeah. Stat. What's up? Stat. And again, that's not bad. But when you know what it stands for, I guess the standing tall. Like he's only 610 now. Tall among common folk. Is that tall in the NBA world? Yeah, I guess it's close. But still, it's more about proud and confidence. I think that's the standing tall never

[B]

caught on and never got on.

[A]

And you know what I hate about it? Like Amari. First off, Amari is an awesome name.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Even when he changed the spelling of it a couple times where we were putting the apostrophe and if it was in there and all that. But like he was a super natural athlete. Like this guy was in a league full of athletes. He's like on another level. Right? So it just like didn't really ever work for him. So I don't like it. Stat.

[C]

I'm with you.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

He doesn't. I mean they also list the little tyrant and little lord for him.

[A]

So I mean, that's what I know. These are all bad.

[B]

He goes from standing tall to being little, you know, weird. He didn't have one. He didn't have a good one.

[A]

No.

[B]

Which is weird to me because it's Amari.

[A]

Yeah, it's like we compare him like to Sean Kemp right At times. Like, I mean, he's got one of the coolest nicknames of all time. Rayman. Like what? We couldn't come up with anything from Amari. I don't know.

[B]

But strange. But we've likened his career to Blake Griffin's. Blake doesn't have one either. What's Blake Griffin's nickname?

[C]

Great.

[A]

He literally point.

[B]

He literally doesn't have one. On basketball reference, he doesn't have even a bad one. That's surprising. That is because he's Blake Griffin. You think there'd be something out there.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Weird.

[C]

Great.

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[A]

All right, Trey, back to you. All right.

[C]

This is a guy you maybe have heard of. Bobby Simmons? You guys remember Bobby Simmons?

[A]

Oh yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Bill loved it.

[A]

Now I'm trying to rack my brain what it is.

[C]

Good luck. 2001-2012 Bobby Simmons played. He was the 21st 2004.05 most improved player. A Chicago legend. His nickname is Chinese food. Want to know why?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When he ate Chinese food once and he got the.

[C]

You would think that. But it turns out that when Bobby Simmons was playing for the Clippers and Prior to the 2003.04season, Clippers were going to be playing in an international game against the Seattle SuperSonics. They were going to be playing in Tokyo, and they said, what do you. What do you think about going to play in Tokyo? And Bobby Simmons says, I don't like Chinese food.

[A]

Oh, no.

[C]

And now his nickname is Chinese Food.

[A]

That. So this has to be a nickname that other teammates like, assigned to him. Right. Wow. You're on my team, Bobby. Chinese, Chinese food. Okay.

[B]

It's a good one.

[A]

Bobby Simmons, I forgot he won an award.

[C]

He's a good player.

[A]

Yeah, he was. Okay.

[C]

I feel like he was, like, on the edges of all star conversations at some point maybe.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Bobby simmons?

[A]

Maybe.

[C]

Okay. 16, 6 and 3. Maybe 100, 405.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Chinese food is Chinese food. What do you got, Tess?

[B]

I'm going with another big name player, Tyrese Halberton's the Moment. I hate it as a nickname.

[A]

Oh, you don't like it? Yeah.

[B]

Here comes the moment down the floor. Like, you can't address him by that nickname.

[A]

No, you can't.

[B]

You know, if you're sitting down and saying, okay, Tyrese Halurn had some moments. Here is the moment that he did against the New York Knicks in round one. Okay. Would you say it that way? He's got cool moments, but when it comes to actually addressing him, actually talking about basketball, in a sense that that's what you would call him. Not even close. It's just not good. So, yeah, they missed. I understand the. And then a cool word, but the answer.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

But nah, you know, this one. This is a miss.

[A]

Well, is it better or worse than him. A Burton, which is also on reference. He is him, not Hallie. Him. A Burton. That's atrocious. That might be worse than in the moment, but they're both pretty bad.

[B]

But that was. Yeah. An era. An era. Is it over? I don't know where everybody started saying I'm him.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[B]

And so you got.

[A]

I've got another potential him on my list, actually. Yeah. Maybe I'll just take him right now because I hate all of his nicknames. Josh Giddy.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Himothy, Chalamet, wizard of Oz. Okay. The Australian connection there. That's not. That's probably the. The least offensive. Vanilla Magic. What? And then my real answer here for Josh Giddy. Slob Wizard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now that's a Hollinger, I believe. I think he came up with it.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Slob wizard, sidelines, out of bounds Wizard. He's very good at these plays. And great playmaker, but unfortunate nickname, especially with other things that were then happening around the Same time with Josh Giddy in the news. He was Slob wizard is bad. Do we have a T shirt with it? Yeah, we do.

[C]

I own one. Yeah, it's a house shirt.

[A]

Yeah, I know. You can't wear a slob wizard out. Dirty dingus out there.

[C]

That's the equivalent to a dirty dinghy shirt for sure.

[A]

I'll go. Josh Giddy. I don't like any of those. But really, Slob Wizard. A slob wizard is my selection.

[B]

That takes it. Yeah. All of them are questionable. Yeah. Okay, all sloppy.

[A]

Round three, back to tk.

[C]

I'm going with the classic nickname here. A classic bad nickname or a good nickname, but more of an insulting nickname. This one comes to us from the 1990s. It comes to us from here in Atlanta. I'm going with John Konkak, AKA John Contract.

[A]

Right. I had this on my shortlist.

[C]

That's awesome. Yeah, it's awesome. To be known for signing a legendarily bad deal and they just call you John Contract for the rest of your life.

[B]

Life.

[C]

Because he had the temerity to sign a $2.2 million deal in 1989. Like, he's making less than the veteran minimum now. But it was a ton of money back then for John Khancak, who didn't really ever do anything in the NBA. What do you think his career high in points per game was?

[A]

I can't imagine he scored over 10. So.

[C]

No.

[A]

8? 7.

[C]

Yeah. This must have been his rookie year, it looks like. Went for eight and six.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Mostly off the bench.

[A]

Strong start. Yeah.

[C]

For the Hawks there. So, John Contract, you're on my team.

[B]

Because it's such a good nickname. I thought. Was I creating the contract that he actually ended up signing? Because I remembered him being multiple years bigger number.

[C]

Yeah, it is. Let me see.

[B]

Six years. I googled it. Six years, 13 mil. That's what he got.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

Yeah, it's great for him. Won it. This is a good nickname, man.

[C]

He says, what was I supposed to do? Say no? Yeah, man, you're right. They're offering it.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

What's the worst that's going to happen? I'm going a weird nickname put on my basketball reference page.

[B]

That's a good one.

[A]

I got $13 million. You think I care?

[B]

We could easily have a draft of the best nicknames, and I think that. Would you like this one? Yeah. You're known for something the rest of your life instead of just being John.

[A]

It's true. It's a simple first name. All right. Task where you going?

[B]

I like going with big name guys and I think Ace and Kid for Jason Kid because he didn't have a J is insulting. It's insulting. Okay, I understand at the beginning of your career you're not a shooter. It's a funny nickname. Dropped a chase. Name's Ace and. But when he developed a shot, you could take that off basketball reference. Just remove it. Let's grow up. Let's. Let's say what we got to say about this guy. He had a J later in his career definitely. So asin, sucks to be you for, you know. But anyway, Ace and Kid.

[C]

Ace and Kid is a good like slander nickname handle of its day.

[A]

Oh yeah. All right. I'm gonna go with my most obscure player here because I have Amari and Josh Giddy. Obviously everybody knows them. But give me a guy named Carson Edwards. You know, fairly recent. You know, I'm not going back to the 70s here if you don't remember. He's a two time All American. He was selected through 33rd overall in the 29 draft by the Celtics. Played a total of 72 games in the NBA before what I can tell, having a very successful international career. He's bounced around internationally but is playing and sure making some money. But one of Carson Edwards nicknames was just the name of an older player he reminded people of. His nickname was Eddie House. This is insane to me.

[B]

Surprising.

[A]

Now I see the similarities. Again, you probably don't remember much of Carson Edwards. He was a small guy. He was like 5 11. Eddie House wasn't much bigger. He's probably listed as 61 or something. But he's like, he's basically six foot guy. But just to have a, just have a nickname of some other guy that people just reminded you of, you're like, oh yeah, you play like any House. We're calling you Any House.

[C]

You're Eddie House now.

[A]

That's like so offensive to me. For some reason they'd rather be called Dirty Dingus, please. And there was. I'm doing a little research. I saw this on Celtics blog. Obviously a long time fantastic Celtics blog somebody. Because Carson Edwards had like ludicrously muscular thighs. Like he had huge thighs.

[C]

He did have big thighs.

[A]

And like apparently like his shorts were like a problem. Like they were too tight. People wanted to call him meat Buckets because he was a good scorer and had those big old ham hock thighs. So that's better. Still worse or still better Meat Buckets. But instead he's just called Eddie House and that's Ambassador Reference. So I'm going Eddie House for Carson Edwards. It's my most obscure pick.

[B]

I think.

[C]

That's really good. My kids have taken to calling my legs sweaty meat logs. Should I be offended? I don't know how they came up with it, but it feels like it'd be my basketball reference. Sweaty. Sweaty Meatlocks.

[B]

Are they as thick as meat buckets?

[C]

Yeah, I got skinny legs.

[A]

Yours are like Slim Jims.

[C]

Yeah. Thank you.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Very much.

[A]

Fourth round. Couple more rounds of this.

[C]

Wow, this is tough, man. This is tough. A lot of nicknames on the board. I got three that I really like, and they're all guys that basically you've never heard of.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I'm going with Dennis Autry. Who's Dennis Autry? Yeah, Exactly. He played 733 NBA games. So he played for a long time. He's got a 1979 NBA championship. Who would have that been with. Who was 73 Seattle superstars?

[A]

79 the Sonic.

[C]

He went with the Seattle Supersonics. I didn't do research into why they called them this, but Dennis Autry's nickname is Moose Breath.

[A]

Tough Moose breath. I mean, I guess he had stinky

[C]

ass breath one day. Had stinky breath. Now forever, you're Moose Breath.

[A]

That's really the best nickname. Like, you know that's like a school nickname, right? Yeah, it's a Stinky Pete.

[C]

I was gonna say Stinky Pete, Man.

[A]

I knew a guy, I mean, unfortunately for him, he was Stinky and his name was Pete, and it was Stinky Pete from there on.

[C]

Stinky Pete.

[A]

This guy came in how it works

[C]

after eating loose one day. All right, Moose. We saw that woman wearing a tall hat once. We called her Tall Hattie for the

[B]

rest of her life.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

He got moose breath.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

Tough stuff.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. We're the kings of those type of nicknames. Moose breath. Wow. You ever had moose? Anybody ever. Did you see any moose when you're at Yellowstone?

[B]

No. Saw animals that look like moose. Yeah. Question. Some of these emus. What there's there are mule. They're animals called mule deers.

[C]

Oh, never heard of that.

[A]

Are they. Are they large?

[B]

You can think. You could think that. They're not quite a moose, are you? Yeah. Not quite a moose. No.

[C]

It's got weird ears, huh? Nice. Cool.

[B]

No, I didn't see moose breath. Never seen moose breath.

[A]

Dennis Autry. Is he a one name nickname guy on basketball reference or.

[C]

Oh, no, he's got a lot.

[A]

It is. What else?

[C]

Tree. He's tall. Six' ten, 235. Dennis the Menace and Harpo.

[B]

Harpo.

[C]

What's up with this guy?

[A]

Yeah, I'm intrigued by this guy. All right, Tess, your fourth pick.

[B]

Another big name guy here.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Trace McGrady, the Big Sleep. You know, I guess I'm just against these pejorative nicknames. What? That's not nice. It's not nice to call this guy the Big Sleep.

[A]

Now.

[B]

He did kind of have sleepy eyes where he's still busy.

[A]

Definitely.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But, you know, one of the best scores of the game. Gotta calm the Big Sleep. You don't really. You think of him having sleepy eyes when he's off the court. Really? You know, like, not really. I don't know.

[C]

His eyes were usually open on the court.

[B]

Agree.

[C]

But wasn't he, like one of the early guys to be like, Yeah, I love taking a pre game nap?

[A]

I think so.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm not sure.

[A]

Maybe a tight end there.

[C]

Still, the Big Sleep is pretty funny.

[B]

Yeah. All right, maybe I'm.

[C]

That's a good.

[B]

Maybe it's growing on me. But T. Mac, the Big sleep. It's just TMac is the one. Is the only one you remember him as. He's too good to have more than one. Really.

[A]

My fourth pick. I guess I'll go with this one. Markel Fultz had a nickname. Yeah. You probably. You're like, what? You're. You're racking your brain right now. You're like. What was his nickname? Quick Wash. What? Quick Wash. Justin Anderson did it. Former teammate, he called him Quick Wash because of his faults. His signature, I guess, very fast spin move. So they call him Quick Wash.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

But it. It's unfortunate, I think, for a guy like False who then had a rough career and fell off and, you know, seemingly forgot how to shoot a basketball. And then like, you're like, oh, he's washed. So that's where my mind immediately goes. But it's actually about a signature move, which I guess he was pretty good at this. I don't really think of him like that. But obviously Anderson saw something, coined the moniker. But I think it's not. Not a great. I just also don't. Doesn't sound good either. Oh, there goes Quick Wash. Yeah.

[C]

Maybe it could have lasted if he wasn't quickly washed. Exactly part of the problem, you know?

[A]

Yeah. Tough. Yeah.

[B]

It seemed like Justin Anderson was just trying to be smart. You know, he took the spin cycle, you know, that kind of idea to another level. Yeah.

[A]

He was trying to get creative with it.

[B]

Yeah. Didn't Work.

[A]

But then you're also like, what does this guy shower for? Like eight seconds after a game?

[C]

He's in and out, always ready to do media.

[A]

So Quick wash. I wrote a. I wrote an elevator with Markel for Fults once.

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Okay.

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Yep, yep. That's my story.

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Did he smell clean?

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Yeah, he wasn't. I wouldn't say he was the friendliest guy I was ever on an elevator with.

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No dirty dingus on Marque.

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Quick wash. All right, one more round of bad nicknames.

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Oh, good.

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I got my.

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I got two last guys I'm interested in. I'll give a shout out to Tony Campbell, whose nickname is Blumpy. Not taking them, though. Sorry, Tony. I'm going for a Sacramento King. His name was Dwayne Caswell.

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Oh, wow.

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He played in the 90s, into the 2000s. His nickname, the very 90s. The Cosinator. Dwayne Caswell, the Cosinator. Cosinating the causes.

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The Cosinator sounds like a nickname of a buddy you went to high school with, specifically. Yeah, yeah.

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You know, the Cosinator.

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Yeah, he's a good guy.

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He's got 12 subs in his trunk. The cause.

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Twice divorced, but good guy.

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He's a good guy. Never got out of Plano, unfortunately. Now, what I really like about Dwayne Caswell, the Cosinator, is there's now a guy on the Sacramento Kings named Dylan Cardwell, right? AKA the Cardinator.

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The Cardinator.

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So, yeah, give me the cause. Inator. Am I influenced by my friend Jerry, who everybody calls the Shrimpinator?

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Probably. Oh, yeah.

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But the Causinator is it for me.

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Over in a universe.

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That's right.

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The Shrimpinator. I just love shrimp, so maybe. Yeah, the Caswell just love causes. Okay. Dwayne Coswell. That's definitely a basketball card I hated to get.

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Oh, man, not another Caswell.

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Throw that one up. All right, task your last pick.

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My last pick, it's Damon Jones for a couple of reasons. First, has the name of our old show, Basketball Jones, as one of his. Nick. Yeah. But more so because his second nickname, best shooter in the world.

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It's.

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You know, it's. It's a fine nickname. But now what he's going through. Legally pleaded guilty, pled guilty in Brooklyn federal court to two counts of conspiracy to commit wire fraud on April 28, 2026. Just doesn't jive anymore.

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The worst gambler in the world.

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Yeah, yeah.

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New nickname alert.

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Yeah, he ain't the best anymore, unfortunately. Damon Jones. So, yeah, that's why it just.

[A]

None of it fits the best shooter in the world.

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Best shooter in the world. Wow. Literally all of those words as one nickname. It's a lot. Best. Damn. Here comes Damon Jones. Best shooter in the world. It's a weird man.

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When did he. Did he ever have a small window where he could actually claim that? I mean, it was a good shooter. Oh, yeah, he was for a three point shooter, obviously. Did he ever lead the league in three point shooting?

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The league in effective field goal percentage? 61.1%.

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Okay.

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That's pretty solid. Played 82 games that season. He played a lot of games.

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Okay, 43% from three that year. That's not bad.

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43 from three while shooting. 51.7% from two for a guard. Very good.

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You know what?

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This guy is the best shooter in the world. He was for one year. It's actually Damon Jones with the Miami Heat.

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All right, my final pick. Worst nicknames on basketball reference. I can't believe I'm gonna do this, but I'm looking in the mirror with this one, guys. Joe Johnson, the Armadillo Cowboy. That's right. That's a nickname I came up with and gave to Joe Johnson way back in the Basketball Jones days. It somehow got added to basketball reference. It stuck around enough. And I just wanted to pick this one because there's a very, I guess, little weird story that goes with it. Like, people are like, why is he called the Armadillo Cowboy? Like, I get, you know, you see people tweet that to this day. They see it on his back. What the hell is that? Do you remember, I don't know, JD or TAS of why I called him the Armadillo Cowboy, I cannot recall. Yeah, yeah. I think I've only shared this once. I definitely shared it once way back in the Basketball Jones day. But here's what happened of why he got the nickname the Armadillo Cowboy. Here was my thinking, it was a mistake because I had watched. So this is when Joe Johnson must have been when he was on the Hawks. And he was like, ISO. Joe. Joe. Cool, right? He was cool. He was very talented. He was good. He was an all star. I watched a documentary by Spike Jonze, a short documentary. It was called Armarillo by Morning. I don't know if you guys have seen it. It's like this 98 documentary about Spike Jonze following these, like, two suburban kids that want to be cowboys and like, sort of professional bull riders, but cowboys. And he just follows a day in the life of them. And they're like, they're like, sort of cool. And it's like. It was a really cool doc and I was trying to say the Armorillo Cowboy. And that was the link from this. These cool sort of like, doc and kids that I saw in this thing to ISO. Joe. Joe Cool. That was what I was thinking when I said it on this podcast back in the day. But I of course, screwed it up and said the Armadillo Cowboy, not the Armarillo Cowboy. And that's how we got to it. So that's how he now has the Armadillo Cowboy. And it just stuck. That's good because it was definitely something I said. And you were like, what? And I couldn't, you know, I couldn't.

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Couldn't go back on it.

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Yeah, exactly. I was like, you know what? Maybe that does sound better in a weird way.

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It is better.

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Yeah. Especially it's a dumbass nickname, though.

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You wouldn't think it, but we do have armadillos in Atlanta. Like, you'll see. You'll see a dead armadillo on the road.

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You're right.

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Unbelievable to me. I thought they were exclusively a southwestern creature, but they're apparently here in the Southeast as well. Just like Joe Johnson was. But he played in Phoenix, too.

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He played in Phoenix, too. Where is he from, too? Is he Arkansas?

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He's an Arkansas man.

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Do they have armadillos in Arkansas?

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I'm only familiar with two states.

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That's how we got there. So, yeah, he's got. He's got good ones. I. So Joe. Joe Cool. Big shot Joe, I think is fine. You know, it's a classic for a bunch of guys, but. And then it just says Armadillo Cowboy, and I love that so much. So there you go. It's a dumbass nickname, and it was a mistake. And the only thing I would suggest is watch Armorillo by morning. I'm sure it's online by Spike Jones 98 documentary.

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Great.

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There it is. 15 of the worst NBA nicknames. There are thousands left. You tell us what we missed, what should have been drafted, let us know in the comments. I'm sure the Stream team probably is sharing a bunch right now.

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They're not necessarily going in on it, but they. They surely will. And I mean, there's so many bad ones. We could easily do this again. One that stuck out to me was James 100% cotton. His nickname was 100%. I thought that was great. That was good.

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Yeah.

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Just a fabric.

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There's some bad ones. There are some very bad ones. I'm always surprised that Lee Ellis never got the donk up there for Luka Doncic on his page because he's got a million. Yeah. And that would be fun. Something fun too, to go through and see who has the most nicknames on basketball reference. Because Luca has 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 are on there. Wow. LeBron's got a lot.

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Daryl Dawkins would have a lot.

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Kukoc has eight. Wow.

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I was just. Oh, coach. The Croatian sensation. Yeah, the waiter. Those are the two.

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I remember I had a massive document of a lot of things that cross over. There was like 66 players that had Mr. Listed in their nickname, including Jose Calderon. Mr. Catering.

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Mr. Catering. Mr. doesn't DeRozan have a Mr. I Am Toronto.

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I am Toronto. There's a couple of guys who are just Mr. Keith Jennings.

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Mr. Michael Jordan has 12.

[A]

Jordan has 12. Wow, wow, wow.

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And he has one that I. If I. If I'm trying to remember that somebody's name is Mike. I use Magic Mike as a nickname, which is, you know, something that Michael Jordan apparently has and something that Channing Tatum was really good at being Magic Mike.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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All right, we'll call it there here. For a random Wednesday show talking about the best free agents left on the board, Draymond Green got In a little LeBron to Philly talk, because that was my first time talking about it with you guys. And then the worst NBA nicknames. Want to hear yours? Check out the basketball reference pages and find the worst NBA nickname in your mind. Let us know in the comments below. I think you guys addressed this late last week, but the movie poll results are in and we know we are doing Pirates of the Caribbean. Congrats to you. Tas on. On your movie franchise coming through. I was always confident was going to be either Indiana Jones or Pirates. And Indy was leading early. And then the. The Pirates heads came out and voted and backed that one. So can you remind me how many movies are in that franchise?

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Just the fiverr2.

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Happy. Happy to hear. Happy to hear. So we gotta start recording these, watching these, and then reviewing these and talking about these. I think it's gonna be a fun pick, though. I was absolutely. I was happy with the people come through. 40 of them. Like, oh, yeah, we're gonna have some fun with this one. I've barely seen any of them. You guys say some of them are good, then a lot of them are crap.

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They all tie in.

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Okay. Okay. So we will be doing that as our next summer movie franchise that's coming here in early August at some point. Otherwise we're back on Friday with the Drop podcast. So hopefully you'll join us live or watch later or listen to the podcast later. Hit the like button. Subscribe five Star Ratings and Reviews Clipper Bros. You heard it here first. Have a great time.

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