'The Lost World: Jurassic Park' Rewatch | Jurassic Pals

Summary

Podcast Summary: "No Dunks" Episode - 'The Lost World: Jurassic Park' Rewatch | Jurassic Pals

Introduction to Jurassic Pals' Rewatch Project In this special summer edition of No Dunks, hosted by Jay Skeets, Tasmelas, Trey Kirby, and J.D., the team embarks on a rewatch of "The Lost World: Jurassic Park." Jay initiates the discussion from the iconic Classic Factory, joined by his co-hosts, setting the stage for an in-depth analysis of the sequel to Spielberg’s beloved original.

Budget, Release, and Box Office Performance Jay begins by providing background on the film’s production, noting that "The Lost World: Jurassic Park" was released on July 23, 1997, with a substantial budget of $73 million—an additional $10 million allocated by Spielberg following the success of the first installment. The movie performed robustly at the box office, grossing nearly $620 million worldwide and setting a new opening weekend record at the time, illustrating the high anticipation and initial excitement among audiences.

Jay Skeets [01:02]: “It grossed nearly $620 million worldwide and it actually set a new opening weekend record at the time.”

Casting Choices and Character Dynamics The discussion shifts to the film’s cast, highlighting the return of Jeff Goldblum as Dr. Ian Malcolm and the introduction of Julianne Moore as Sarah Harding, Pete Postlethwaite as Roland Tembo, and a young Vince Vaughn. Jay notes that this sequel marks Spielberg’s final directorial role in the franchise, hinting at his diminishing enthusiasm for the series.

Tasmelas [02:42]: “He doesn't like doing sequels.”

J.D. adds insight into Michael Crichton’s involvement, explaining that Spielberg consolidated multiple ideas from the second book into the film, which contributed to its complexity.

Plot Overview and Critical Analysis The hosts delve into the movie's plot, starting with Isla Sorna (Site B) and its role as a breeding ground for dinosaurs, contrasting it with Isla Nublar from the original film. They critique the logistical decisions made in the movie, such as transporting dinosaurs over long distances, which they consider unrealistic.

J.D. [03:00]: “I think, yeah, doesn't like doing sequels. And apparently Michael Crichton was basically asked to write a second book as well.”

The narrative then follows the British couple whose youngest daughter, Kathy, encounters the tiny dinosaur species, Compsognathus (compies), leading to her subsequent attack. The hosts express confusion over the introduction of multiple baby raptors, initially mistaking them for juvenile T. Rexes.

J.D. [04:49]: “Did anybody else think, that's just a baby raptor? Yeah, you know, I was like, oh, cool, baby raptor.”

Character Critique and Development A significant portion of the discussion revolves around Dr. Ian Malcolm’s character development. Transitioning from a chaos mathematician, Malcolm adopts a more naturalist role, which the hosts find abrupt and unconvincing.

Jay Skeets [12:03]: “And then, obviously, we learned that they had a hurricane Clarissa. And then that happened on Sorna here.”

They further critique Malcolm’s parenting decisions, particularly his handling of his daughter Kelly’s involvement in the mission, labeling him as aloof and an unreliable parent.

Jay Skeets [28:11]: “Nick infiltrates the base camp, he frees the dinosaurs and they wreak havoc here on this base camp.”

Action Sequences and Special Effects The hosts analyze key action sequences, such as the dinosaur attacks and the high-stakes rescues. They appreciate certain moments, like the confrontation between Kelly and the velociraptor, where gymnastics play a pivotal role in her survival.

Jay Skeets [59:22]: “That's a great scene.”

However, they express frustration with the movie’s pacing and the overabundance of action that detracts from character development and plot coherence.

Technical Aspects and CGI Evaluation Discussion turns to the technical execution, specifically the CGI quality of the smaller dinosaurs, which the hosts find subpar compared to the iconic visuals of the original film. They question the believability of certain scenes, such as the dinosaurs’ interactions and the logistical aspects of dinosaur transport.

Jay Skeets [52:00]: “There are a lot of holes in the plot of this movie or a lot of things where you're like, what?”

Comparison with the Original Jurassic Park The conversation highlights the stark differences between the sequel and the original "Jurassic Park." While the first film balanced awe and terror effectively, the hosts feel that "The Lost World" leans too heavily into darkness and action, losing the charm that made the original a classic.

Jay Skeets [83:00]: “The dinos are not featured. I agree. They go.”

Critical and Fan Reception Reflecting on critical responses, the hosts cite Roger Ebert’s two out of four-star review, emphasizing his critique that the movie struggles with structure and fails to let dinosaurs take center stage as effectively as the original.

Jay Skeets [82:02]: “Roger Ebert said, 'the problem with the movie is that the dinosaurs aren't allowed to be the stars.'”

Hosts’ Personal Ratings and Final Thoughts The guests share their personal ratings for "The Lost World: Jurassic Park," generally scoring it lower than the original. Tasmelas awards it a 2 out of 10, citing the underwhelming portrayal of dinosaurs and poor character decisions. Trey Kirby and J.D. rate it around 4 to 5 out of 10, acknowledging entertaining action sequences but criticizing plot inconsistencies and character development.

Tasmelas [82:36]: “That's low. It's slow. It doesn't. There's no comparison.”

Jay Skeets concurs with a 4 out of 10, pointing out numerous plot holes and the movie’s inability to capture the original's magic despite its higher dinosaur action quotient.

Jay Skeets [86:10]: “I think it's half as good.”

Looking Ahead: Jurassic Park 3 Concluding the episode, the hosts tease their upcoming discussion on "Jurassic Park 3," expressing skepticism about its potential quality based on their experience with the sequel.

Jay Skeets [87:33]: “Jurassic Park 3 is our next movie that we're tackling in Jurassic Pals, released in 2001.”

Conclusion Overall, the hosts of No Dunks provide a comprehensive critique of "The Lost World: Jurassic Park," balancing their appreciation for certain action elements with disappointment over narrative and character shortcomings. Their discussion offers valuable insights for both fans and newcomers, highlighting the sequel's divergence from the original's strengths.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jay Skeets [01:02]: “It grossed nearly $620 million worldwide and it actually set a new opening weekend record at the time.”

• Tasmelas [02:42]: “He doesn't like doing sequels.”

• J.D. [04:49]: “Did anybody else think, that's just a baby raptor? Yeah, you know, I was like, oh, cool, baby raptor.”

• Jay Skeets [28:11]: “Nick infiltrates the base camp, he frees the dinosaurs and they wreak havoc here on this base camp.”

• Jay Skeets [59:22]: “That's a great scene.”

• Jay Skeets [82:02]: “Roger Ebert said, 'the problem with the movie is that the dinosaurs aren't allowed to be the stars.'”

• Tasmelas [82:36]: “That's low. It's slow. It doesn't. There's no comparison.”

• Jay Skeets [86:10]: “I think it's half as good.”

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the main discussions, critiques, and insights shared by the Jurassic Pals team during their rewatch of "The Lost World: Jurassic Park," providing listeners with an informative overview of their perspectives and evaluations.

Transcript

[Jay Skeets]

Foreign. Welcome to Jurassic Pals, the no Dunks summer podcast project where we're watching every movie from the Jurassic park franchise. Today we tackle the head scratching sequel the Lost World, Jurassic Park. I'm Jay Skeets here in the classic factory and alongside me as always, he loves the baby dinosaur, Tasmelas.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, sure, I sure do. I also love you just rolling off the Jurassic Pals. I think that's more entertaining than the actual movie.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, well, thank you. Next to him, next to task. Don't let this guy loose in San Diego. It's the bearded one, Trey Kirby. Last but not least, over yonder. This is a man that knows that 30 minutes is half an hour. It's super producer J.D.

[Trey Kirby]

Hello.

[Jay Skeets]

Hello, J.D. one of the weirdest parts of this movie. Why did he say that?

[J.D.]

We know there's a lot of clarification.

[Jay Skeets]

In this movie, I think. Oh boy, oh boy. Appreciate you all checking out the podcast here. Maybe you're watching on YouTube. Hit the like button. Subscribe Share the show. Podcast listeners, five star ratings and reviews. Yes, this is our second Jurassic park here from the entire movie franchise. We really loved Jurassic park, the original. 10 out of 10. Go check out that pod if you haven't already. But this one, the Lost World, Jurassic park came out maybe 23rd of 1997. The budget, 73 million. So they gave Spielberg another 10 million from the first one. Here, go have some fun with this. It did well. It's done well. Look, it grossed nearly $620 million worldwide and it actually set a new opening weekend record at the time. So it popped for people to go see it. People were excited about the.

[Tasmelas]

Absolutely.

[Jay Skeets]

And then they probably left a little disappointed. The skinny is a research team is sent to the Jurassic park site B island to study the dinosaurs there while an ingen team approaches with another agenda. Oh, Boy. Runtime about 2 hours and 10 minutes Too long is the answer. Stars Jeff Goldblum. He's back. He's the main guy. This time we got Julianne Moore. Pete Postlethwaite. Oh, yeah, I hope I'm saying that correctly. Rest in peet. Rest in Pete. To Pete Postlethwaite. And then a young Vince Vaughn is also in this movie and it's directed by Steven Spielberg for the final time. This will be his last go here in the Jurassic park franchise. Obviously did the first one that summer blockbuster that it was. And then he did a sequel and he seemed to even hate this movie.

[Tasmelas]

He doesn't like doing sequels.

[Jay Skeets]

No, he doesn't. For good reason.

[J.D.]

I Think, yeah, doesn't like doing sequels. And apparently Michael Crichton was basically asked to write a second book as well. Wrote it and Spielberg's like, eh, some good ideas, but I got my own things I want to do. I'm only doing one sequel, so I'm jamming all the ideas in here that I can.

[Jay Skeets]

All right, let's make our way through this movie. We start with a look at, and I'll say it correctly this time, Isla Sorna. This is site B, the code name for Site B here by the ingen company. It's located 87 miles southwest of our OG Dino island that we had in the first one. Isla Nuplar. Not Isla. Shout out to Isla.

[Tasmelas]

We know it's the Spanish word, right?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right.

[J.D.]

Just confirm it's 87 miles away from the other island.

[Jay Skeets]

Huh? Yeah, yeah, they're all clustered, I guess, together.

[J.D.]

That's a crazy plan. 87 miles isn't that close to Tran. Because what they're telling us is they're making the dinosaurs here and then traveling 90 miles nautically.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

To bring the dinosaurs to the other place.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

I feel like if John Hammond would have told people that's how they're producing the dinosaurs, they'd be like, no way, that can't work. You can't transport a dino that far.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

Every time we've seen a dinosaur transported, it goes poor.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. It's a weird logistic nightmare that he decided to like fold into his whole plan here. Yeah. Well, we start this off with a British couple. They are vacationing there by the island. On the island from their private yacht. They're sipping champagne, they're eating roast beef, they got some prawns on the way. And their youngest daughter, Kathy, I think her name is, she wanders off down the beach doing a little beach stepping. Kathy is reading some emails and tweets and she comes across the tiny little dinosaur and sort of feeds a little roast beef and oh, here come a bunch of them. And I thought at first was eaten alive, but we learned she later survived but is attacked, I guess by these tiny hungry dinosaurs.

[Trey Kirby]

Compies.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes, compies, yes. Our first go of the compy.

[Trey Kirby]

We have not seen the compy. Right.

[Jay Skeets]

The debut film for the compy.

[J.D.]

Did anybody else think, that's just a baby raptor? Yeah, you know, I was like, oh, cool, baby raptor. We're gonna see the next big raptor come out and eat this girl. Which is what I thought at first, cuz I don't Remember this one nearly as well as I remember the first one, which I've watched a billion times. And this one I've probably seen like five times now. Not as much replay value for me, but I definitely was like, oh, that's just like the baby raptor. We saw hatch in the first one. Watch out for the parents coming next. Instead, a swarm of baby raptors, which are now copies.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it's whole new thing here.

[J.D.]

I was confused at first.

[Trey Kirby]

I think the copies are what killed Dr. Malcolm in the first book.

[Jay Skeets]

Interesting.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay. I think so, if I'm remembering correctly. And then, you know, Crichton was asked to write a sequel and he was like, well, we're just gonna bring Dr. Malcolm back.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, okay.

[Trey Kirby]

But whatever.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, well, funny you say bring him back because the British mom's screaming dissolves into Jeff Goldblum. Dr. Ian Malcolm. He is a doctor, right?

[J.D.]

He is, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

He's a doctor.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I think.

[J.D.]

Well, I mean, he's technically a chaos mathematician, but I'm sure he has his doctorate in chaos theory.

[Jay Skeets]

In the first one we did Jurassic Pals, I definitely left Dr. Off of his name for a majority of the time I said it.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. And you were calling John Hammond Dr. Hammond. He's no doctor.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, I was.

[Trey Kirby]

I think so.

[Jay Skeets]

He's not a doctor.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't think he's a doctor.

[J.D.]

Let's see that degree.

[Jay Skeets]

What about the copies? Are they doctors?

[Trey Kirby]

They do not have their PhDs.

[Jay Skeets]

How do you know? Anyway?

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, I was weirded out hearing Ian Malcolm, actually, because in the first one they just call him Dr. Malcolm.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tasmelas]

It doesn't seem like an Ian to me.

[Jay Skeets]

No, he's more of a Jeff. More of a Jeff.

[J.D.]

I do love the cut, though, from lady yelling to Malcolm yawning. And it looks like he's on an island somewhere, but he's really just standing in front of a poster. I thought that was pretty funny.

[Jay Skeets]

I think it's my favorite shot of the entire movie.

[Trey Kirby]

Wow.

[Jay Skeets]

Seriously? I was like, oh, this is awesome. And then it sort of goes downhill from there. But yeah, he's in the subway and he board a train and he's recognized by a bunch of passengers. Right. The one guy in particular coming up to him and trying to get something out of him, but all I kept thinking was like, whoa, is that the Atlanta marta? It looks like the seats look identical.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, to.

[Jay Skeets]

To the marta. Those orange, like, hard bucket seats. I thought it maybe was. I don't think it is, but.

[Tasmelas]

And it was a super clean subway sitting.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. It wasn't Marta then.

[Tasmelas]

Well, it didn't seem like New York either. Sitting with my. My New York. And wife Danielle said, whoa, that's clean.

[Jay Skeets]

Too clean.

[Tasmelas]

They cleaned the heck out of that. It felt really weird. Just the whole thing didn't smell like urine. Like the whole, you know, the whole thing. The whole New York vibe. Yeah, it didn't feel like that is at all.

[Jay Skeets]

So any. Anything from this. I mean, we can move with some pace here on the opening of this movie here with the British couple and the daughter and then into Malcolm.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, I've been trying to keep a running tally of the worst parents in the franchise, you know. Yeah, we thought that Lex and Tim's parents were the worst.

[Jay Skeets]

The absentee parents.

[Trey Kirby]

Absentee. But, you know, I don't know. Just letting your daughter wander off on a strange island, not great.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. But then again, like, she was trying to make her like, hey, stay close. The dad was the one that was like, relax, we're on a private island here.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, let her get my dad.

[Jay Skeets]

What is she gonna do?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

And they don't know their stuff.

[Trey Kirby]

I'm just trying to keep track of my rank. So Lex and Tim's parents still number one?

[Jay Skeets]

For now.

[Trey Kirby]

For now.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[J.D.]

Do you think prawns are the most elitist food? They don't call them shrimp, Right? Shrimp for us peasants. But prawns are for the upper crust of society. What it felt like to me.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, it feels disgusting to me. I'm not a prawn man.

[Trey Kirby]

Are you a shrimpman?

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, it depends on the day. Sometimes I think they're disgusting. Gosh, the floor of the ocean. No, thank you.

[J.D.]

They are bugs. There are the ocean's bugs.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tasmelas]

Depends on the day. But I just never saw. I just didn't know prawns were a thing in Isla Sorna.

[Jay Skeets]

But I guess they are my takeaway as a fan that watches below deck. And jd, I can't remember if you do or not.

[Trey Kirby]

I've seen a few.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Like, you know how they're on the yacht. They're on these. This beautiful yacht, the super yacht. They're well staffed, of course, everything you want there. But then feels like every episode of Blow Deck, the people want to go to a private beach. Okay. And then you gotta pack up everything. If you're the chef and you're the staff and you gotta take the tables, you gotta take the tents, you gotta take the barbecue and all that. It's always a nightmare.

[Trey Kirby]

Huge pain in the ass.

[Jay Skeets]

It's the biggest pain in the ass. That's all I could think about with these poor staff here. This supernatural.

[J.D.]

They had an elaborate setup.

[Jay Skeets]

They had an incredible setup.

[Trey Kirby]

What do you think they got tipped at the end?

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, yeah. When they hand them the envelope.

[J.D.]

That's a big part.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, they would have got nothing. Their daughter was attacked by dinosaurs. And you know they're gonna blame it on them or slam it on. Well, because. Why'd you bring us to this island?

[J.D.]

The scent of the prawns lured in the coffees.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Jay Skeets]

Maybe. Okay, so Malcolm shows up at this big sort of mansion here. And we meet Lex and Tim. They're back for 30 seconds, if that. They're on screen for like a minute. Oh, yeah.

[Tasmelas]

I even forgot. Cause it was so quick. I thought they just showed up later because they show up later. No, this is their only cameo.

[Jay Skeets]

This is our only Lex and Tim. I popped. I was like, yeah.

[Tasmelas]

Oh, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, yeah. She was. They're gone. They, like, hug them. And then obviously it gets into Dr. Malcolm meeting Hammond's nephew, Peter Ludlow, who is the new CEO of InGen, who accuses Malcolm of spreading false rumors about the Jurassic park incident for payment. Right. And this is like Peter saying, ah, you. You signed the NDA, and then you proceeded to violate the agreement. And as such, his tenure at the university was rescinded, his reputation left in tatters. And this is where we're at. But there's a lot of exposition here in this first stage of this. Yeah.

[J.D.]

And doesn't Ludlow also basically kind of confirms what the random dude on the subway was saying? He's like, nobody believes what you said happened on the island. Dr. Malcolm, it's totally fine out there. And then he hits him with the ultimate diss. This suit cost more than your education. That's an expensive suitcase. How long did Malcolm have to go to the school to become a doctor?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

Six years, minimum.

[Trey Kirby]

Minimum. Yeah, minimum.

[J.D.]

And this is the 90s. Probably like a $50,000 suit, easily.

[Jay Skeets]

And doesn't Peter here that exist the nephew or the new CEO? He says something like, you're the only one breaking the NDA, too. Implying that everybody else left Dress Park. He even says, like Lex and Tim, they've kept a tight lip. Get in line. Yeah, exactly. So we then have Malcolm going up to a bedridden John Hammond. He's back in this movie. And he tells Malcolm, hey, site B, man, it was breeding site for the dinosaurs. So as he puts it, Sorna is the factory floor and Nublar is the showroom. And this is like, again, what you were saying, Trey, like, wow, that was a weird decision. Very weird.

[J.D.]

Just like, I would want to have as little dinosaur interaction as possible. Grow them in the place where you're keep them.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, grow them and show them.

[J.D.]

Simple.

[Jay Skeets]

And then, I mean, it gets worse because we learned that they had a hurricane Clarissa. And then that happened on Sorna here. And then all the dinosaurs were left free to roam. And Hammond says, like, for four years, the dinosaurs have just lived in a natural environment without human intervention, and they're in their own social groups and it's going great. But I did like, this. Malcolm was like, hey, I thought you breeded these things with that lysine deficiency, you know, like, if you don't give it to them, they die. Shouldn't they be dead? Is basically what he's saying. So that was good. At least a little callback to the first one. But Hammond's answer is just like, hey, man, you were right. Life finds a way.

[J.D.]

You got a callback, I got a callback.

[Jay Skeets]

So that's the setup. And then Hammond, who, like, I thought was on his deathbed and, like, dying, he sort of, like, pops out of bed. He's suddenly got, like, some energy.

[J.D.]

Hey, Grandpa Joe from Chocolate Factory. Oh, I'll find out.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Any opportunity to send somebody to their most certain death just fills him with life and effervescent, you know?

[Jay Skeets]

That's right.

[J.D.]

He loves it. He's like, I got one more on the line here. I do. Like, I feel like they make him look like the devil in this scene. He's dressed in black and red. His bushy eyebrows, I feel like, are intentionally turned up, so they're horn. Like, he's even, like, flushed. I feel like his skin is pretty red. So the guy is in the first one. He's, like, supposed to be a little bit angelic, I think, and dressed in all white. Not so much in this one. They're like, this guy sucks.

[Jay Skeets]

And now, you know what you kept saying in our first Jurassic Pals. This guy's the villain. This guy's the villain, man. And, like, I think they've leaned into it here, definitely, because his plan is. Hammond's plan is he wants Malcolm to lead a team to find out how are these dinosaurs even surviving? Like, what's going on there, you know? Again, Malcolm's like, that's crazy, bro. Like, there's no fences even. Like, why would we go, hey, don't worry. The carnivores stay in the interior of the island, so you guys stay on the outer Rim, you're safe. He even says very low impact, light left. Come on, man.

[Tasmelas]

Just happens too quickly too. Hammond sets up the whole frickin movie in for a lines. Bang, bang, bang, bang. And then here comes Malcolm when he's leaving with his line of, it's not a research expedition, it's a rescue operation and it's leaving now. And then the dramatic music already like it's way too early. It all happens way too early. It was so slow and so all worthy. The first one, like the wondering was happening, the, the wonderment of it all. And here is just like bop, bop, it's over.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. So, yeah, Hammond says, I got the site B team. It's going to consist of Nick Van Owen, that's going to be Vince Vaughn, a videographer, Eddie Carr, played by Richard Schiff, a field equipment expert, an unnamed paleontologist that they just sort of skip over. I mean, we'll get to in one second, but like an unnamed. That killed me. And of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course, Malcolm will be the fourth. So Peter is opposed to this idea. He wants to use site B for profits to take Ingen out of Chapter 11 bankruptcy. After the incident with this British couple, the board took control from InGen, from Hammond. So Hammond says, look, the only way to get this back or to save this is to get public support to stop all this commercial exploitation. So that's why this, this thing's even happening. This mission, if you want to call it that, send these four in, document everything, and that's gonna win the people over and then we'll, I guess, keep these animals alive.

[J.D.]

Exactly, exactly. Don't trust Hammond. He wants to keep the animals alive. He's telling you right here. But I think, great line by Malcolm. You went from a capitalist to a naturalist in just four years. That's something.

[Jay Skeets]

I love it. Yeah, and this is a very cute line too, because Sir Richard Attenborough, who is Hammond, not doctor. I almost said it. Jd. His brother is naturalist Sir David Attenborough.

[Trey Kirby]

Right.

[Jay Skeets]

Damn. You just turned into your brother in four years. That'd be very confusing in a movie. So Malcolm refuses Hammond's offer. Okay, that's smart, but. And then Tassie sort of alluded to it, he's like, oh, your girlfriend's there. That paleontologist that I didn't name, Sarah Harding, which is Julianne Moore. She's already there, man. She's got a great flight, good deal on a flight out.

[J.D.]

She went first, get there early, scout.

[Jay Skeets]

Locations, and the other additional members are to meet her there. And this is where Malcolm's like, you sent my girlfriend to this island alone? And Malcolm says, yeah, this is now a rescue mission because now I gotta go get Sarah. Mm. Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. And there's a weird moment where Hammond is like. Goldblum says, the. It's a rescue mission. Then he turns around and he's like. He's like counting on his fingers. He's like. And he goes, aha, yes. And continues on like, what? Like, he's like, I've got everybody. Like, whatever happened, like, he's going under duress, but I got everybody. So.

[Jay Skeets]

So that's what he was doing when he counted, I guess. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't know.

[Jay Skeets]

Like.

[Trey Kirby]

And there is a moment where he's. He's handing him the. The binders of the, you know, here's Nick and here's such and such. And he holds. He holds the paleontologist close to his breast. I'm not. I can't reveal who it is just yet. Just yet. That'll be my ace in the hole. You know, your girlfriend's there. In your face. Well, also, how long has she been there? Like, they live together. It's like, do you didn't notice she was gone?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, they tried to cover their tracks. I thought she has a line later like.

[Tasmelas]

Like, I'm always traveling, I'm always on the road.

[Jay Skeets]

And you love that.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, fair enough.

[Jay Skeets]

He's like, I do love that.

[Trey Kirby]

I love it when you're gone.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, he likes to get married and stuff.

[J.D.]

You know, one of the craziest parts of this scene to me is right at the end, Malcolm makes a call and he holds his phone in his right hand on the left side of his face.

[Jay Skeets]

I've never seen anybody do that before. Cha.

[J.D.]

You'd never expect it with Your right hand 99% of the time to the right ear, but this one time it goes to the left.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, he's holding binders, isn't he?

[J.D.]

Isn't he holding all the shit?

[Tasmelas]

Maybe there's some weird hand gestures. Malcolm gives him the get out of here. It's a real slow hand gesture. There's some weird stuff in that.

[Jay Skeets]

So, okay, Malcolm goes and meets this team, right? Because now he's got to speed things up because he's got to go rescue Sarah, who's there by herself on this island, this Site B, with all the dinosaurs that are like, just roaming free. So he meets his team. It's. It's Nick and Eddie. Nick again is Vince Vaughn. We get right away that Vitz Vaughn, like He. Or. Sorry, I mean, Nick is like a ladies man.

[J.D.]

Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

But then nothing comes of that, right? Nope.

[J.D.]

Join Greenpeace for the women.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

80 women.

[J.D.]

80 women.

[Trey Kirby]

I go Googled that. It's not true. Or at least there's no. There's no proof of that.

[Jay Skeets]

Right. And then we meet Malcolm's daughter.

[Tasmelas]

I believed it when he said, okay.

[Jay Skeets]

We meet Malcolm's daughter Kelly, played by Vanessa Lee Chester, and she wants to come along on the expedition, but Malcolm explains that she can't go. And, man, we had. This was a long scene, I thought, between her and her dad. We learned that she likes the Sega, which I was like, respect.

[J.D.]

I was the Sega guy.

[Jay Skeets]

And that she was cut from her gymnastics team. That's going to pay off, of course, later. But, like, I also was struggling like hell in this scene to figure out, like, what is the family dynamic here? What is going on? Who's with who? Where's the mom? You're with Julianne Moore. Like, it was a little confusing. And even Vince Vaughn's character was like. He made a joke about the resemblance. Obviously, Kelly is black and it's like, okay, she's adopted of some sort or whatever, but we don't know.

[J.D.]

Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I buy that Malcolm has kids that we wouldn't have heard about.

[Trey Kirby]

Sure.

[J.D.]

Right. Because in the first one, he knows to be worried for the kids. When he's sitting in the Jeep with Grant when the Tyrannosaurus attack is happening, he's like, the kids are scared. And, like, Grant hadn't even thought about the kids. We know he has multiple ex wives because in the first one, he's looking for the next future ex, Mrs. Malcolm. So I kind of like it that they're just like, he has a black daughter.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

And everyone's like, oh, he has a black daughter.

[Jay Skeets]

It's not. Yeah, for sure. It's not the race of the daughter. It is just like, did we really need a daughter or a kid at all in this movie? And they, you know, they shoehorn it in for sure to get her out there.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Because she'll show up. Yeah.

[Tasmelas]

They never reveal who the mom is.

[Jay Skeets]

No.

[Tasmelas]

His previous relationship. It doesn't. It doesn't matter. Apparently, Mila Kunis, young Mila Kunis was also in the role for this. For this daughter, but they decided a different direction and she was great. Later, Chester.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

So due to Malcolm's insistence to leave asap, Eddie's got to shave off three days from his departure timeline. He seems a little stretched, stressed because he's not being able to test all this equipment. That will sort of be important later, too. So, anyway, they head out. Okay, I guess he says bye, in theory, to Kelly. Call her a cab. She took a cab there. Maybe just call her one for her to leave. Malcolm Eddy and Nick transport two Mercedes SUVs and a modified RV. They go to Costa Rica, I think, first. And then they head to Site B and there's a quick scene thrown in here with a panicked boat captain. Right?

[J.D.]

Oh, right.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I just didn't know where they were when that was happening. But I guess that's where they were anyway. And this is where we learn what the locals call the islands. I thought for sure he was going to say they call them the Lost World. And he doesn't. For the five deaths.

[J.D.]

Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay.

[J.D.]

Los Cincos olos. Cinco Muertes.

[Jay Skeets]

Right? Yeah.

[J.D.]

And we even got a scene of Kelly, like, looking at the map and seeing it. And instantly when I saw it, you know, I took three years of high school Spanish, so I'm pretty knowledgeable in this sort of thing. I was like, oh, the Islands of Death. But if you didn't take Spanish in High School, 30 seconds later they explained that it is the Islands of Death. I looked up the names of all the islands they have there. Isla Matanqueros. Butchers. Butcher Island, I guess. Islam.

[Jay Skeets]

Huerta.

[J.D.]

Death.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

Isla Sorna. Sarcasm. Yeah, weird, weird, Sorna. Sarcasm, I suppose. Isla Takana. Mean, like being mean. And Isla Pena Sorrow or Grief.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay.

[J.D.]

I mean, they got fair names, though I think sarcasm is maybe a little left of those ones.

[Jay Skeets]

And so it's called the Five Deaths by the locals now because of what happened.

[J.D.]

When did they get the names? I don't know. Yeah, great question.

[Trey Kirby]

Maybe they're just cursed. The islands are cursed?

[J.D.]

Yeah, they were cursed for an extra curse now, or they renamed them after the experiments. I don't know.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, we did have five deaths in Jurassic park, the original. Did we not? If we count Joffrey, the poor guy that had to lift up the cage.

[Trey Kirby]

We're counting him.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Okay, that's five then, because I think there was four others. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay. Wow. Interesting. I mean, look, they're probably cursed because Hammond got them for a steal. The guy is cheap, right? Yeah, like, he runs a skeleton crew, no expenses spared. Well, except for islands and it.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. And something to, you know, automatically open a cage door.

[Tasmelas]

And the great Malcolm Jamal Warner just passed away swimming off the coast of Costa Rica.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, that's where he was.

[Jay Skeets]

So on the island, Eddie, Malcolm and Nick come across a few giant stegosauruses. I guess those were.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They wanted to bring the stegosaurus back.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, they're big. They're big. They're stumbling across and they're going through. And then, you know, they're. They're trying to find Sarah and she's right there. They were using obviously something on her backpack. Yeah, homing beacon on her backpack. But this is where we first meet Sarah and man, she's a firecracker. She is a firecracker. She borrows Nick's camera right away, even though she has one. She touches a baby's dinosaur's head right away. Her camera then starts freaking out because it's like, you know, running out of film. Starts making crazy noises that pisses off the baby dinosaur, which then pisses off the herd. She escapes though. And then she has the nerve. While they're walking away, Nick goes to light up a cigarette. Hold onto your butts. Here we go. And Sarah tells him not to do that quote, we're here to observe and document, not interact. She just touched a dinosaur. That is, that's interacting. That's much worse than lighting a cigarette. I'm sorry. That was weird. So I don't know if we're supposed to like her, I guess right away, but I hated her immediately because like, you are a hypocrite. That was my opinion.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, look, Julianne Moore is wasted in this movie. She's not the only one, obviously. But you know, when we first meet her, there's that, there's her just messing with nature in general. Like she's the worst wildlife photographer of all time. You know, like, you know that when your film runs out, it's gonna automatically rewind and you don't touch the wildlife. That's rule number one.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that's right.

[Trey Kirby]

That's the biggest problem.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

And then when she sees Malcolm, she just starts blabbering this paleontology bullshit. It's not even exposition, I don't think. Like, it's just like, oh, I figured out this and that. But she just seems like a complete idiot, you know, I'm like, this is the person you came to rescue? Leave her there. Like, what are you doing?

[Jay Skeets]

Get out now, man.

[Trey Kirby]

Get out now. Exactly.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, she does say two, I guess, important things. She says the herbivores are eating a lysine rich diet that's helping them survive. Literally.

[Trey Kirby]

Who cares? I know you are right. That had to be explained. But also you could have just left it at. They found a way. Life found a way. Right? We don't need her. Like, you know, there's. It did not ring true. Like, you know, you. Your girlfriend's missing. You know, you find her on this death island, and then it's just like.

[Jay Skeets]

The other thing she says, though, is that. That she can prove now that the T. Rex does not abandon their young, as is the current accepted norms of their behavior. So that's what, you know, a lot of the scientists are saying and thinking, but she's like, I don't think so. Of course. That's gonna be like a whole storyline here.

[Trey Kirby]

Just tell us that one thing.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, okay. Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

You know what I mean?

[Jay Skeets]

I sort of agree.

[J.D.]

Trying to prove the dinos are good parents.

[Jay Skeets]

That's what I'm out here trying to do. I do.

[J.D.]

Like when they're searching for her and.

[Trey Kirby]

They'Re yelling, sarah, Sarah.

[J.D.]

And Nick yells, sarah Harding. Malcolm says, how many Sarahs do you think are on the island?

[Trey Kirby]

That was good. Yeah, that was a great line.

[Tasmelas]

That was fun.

[Jay Skeets]

Is there not a callback to that joke later in the movie? Doesn't Goldblum yell? He yells somebody's full name. I swear to God, I miss.

[J.D.]

Yeah, you're probably right.

[Jay Skeets]

But nobody, like, addresses it. But I. They're yelling the. What is. Who's he yelling for? It must. It's got to be either maybe Kelly or something. I don't know. He's yelling for somebody, right? And I swear he yells the first name and then he says, full name.

[J.D.]

Funny.

[Jay Skeets]

But it's later in the movie.

[J.D.]

Nice.

[Jay Skeets]

So. What a payoff. Okay, so, yeah, they're all together here, and suddenly they see that there's a fire back at camp, and they're like, who the heck started that?

[Tasmelas]

It's quick fire.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, just a quick little fire going. Get Kelly on Survivor Dominique. And yeah, Kelly pops out of the RV because she has secretly stowed herself on this trip. So Kelly's there.

[Trey Kirby]

What a bummer when she shows up. You know what I mean? Like, you know, she's gonna. You know, she walks into a working work site. Like, there's sparks flying everywhere. It's like, oh, this. This is. Seems like a pretty good place to stow away in. And then she's there, and it's just like, oh, God, now there's a kid.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

To deal with.

[J.D.]

So where does that put Dr. Ian.

[Trey Kirby]

Malcolm on the list of parents? Exactly.

[J.D.]

It wasn't. I mean, he did bring her to the hangar. He didn't expect for her to stow away.

[Trey Kirby]

Right.

[J.D.]

But if he would have never called her there, she would have never had a chance.

[Trey Kirby]

That's right. And he did say the line, never listen to me.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Like at least he's self deprecating enough to realize he's a shitty parent.

[Jay Skeets]

You know what I mean?

[Trey Kirby]

And he's also, you know, there's a lot, lot of like hints drop that he's unreliable. Is like, well, I just need you to, you know, be there when I need you kind of thing. True, he's aloof for sure, but is he in the top? I don't know.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean he's super aloof because we have to believe that he didn't really even say. I mean he's. When did he say by door?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

To Kelly at that hangar?

[Tasmelas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

In theory he said bye and I guess like didn't see her get in a cab and leave or something and she just.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, he was distracted.

[Jay Skeets]

She just went in the RV.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, yeah, we thought you'd grab a kid. 10 year old. That's what he said, right? I mean, yeah, yeah, to some degree. He didn't say bite her. He didn't establish a plan of how.

[Trey Kirby]

I thought he did. I thought it was like when he walked away from the office, they had the confrontation and yeah, he's just like, your mother took off to Paris, I don't know what to do with you, blah, blah, blah.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

And then he walks away and says, just don't listen to me. And then I think that was the goodbye. He's not a good parent.

[Jay Skeets]

That's the goodbye.

[Trey Kirby]

He's not a good parent.

[Jay Skeets]

Figure it out.

[Trey Kirby]

Stay with this person who doesn't have Sega the Troglodyte or whatever.

[J.D.]

Oh yeah, yeah, Luddite.

[Trey Kirby]

I'm sorry, no troglodyte. Is it troglodyte? Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right, cool.

[J.D.]

It's my favorite dinosaur.

[Jay Skeets]

I know, totally. Okay, so now we, now we cut to Peter Ludlow flying in. Roland Tembo. That is Pete Apostle Thwaite. He's a big game hunter. They're coming. He's coming in with his entire assault team here and the equipment. And they're going to round up these various dinosaurs for injectors. And Roland tells us he wants to kill a T. Rex. That's his fee for the assignment.

[J.D.]

That's right.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, that's sick, man. That's some sick stuff. And we're right into a scene where they just start snatching up dinosaurs and he's trying to figure out the names of these Things. He's like, me doing my notes, he's like, screw it. Get the Friar Chuck looking one. Get the Elvis looking one.

[J.D.]

Yeah, I like that.

[Jay Skeets]

And they're and they're having some success here in this, like, I guess, first real action sequence where all the dinosaurs are running around and there's like, man, they came with a bunch of people. Yeah, A lot of vehicles.

[J.D.]

Yeah, they got quite the crew together pretty quickly. But I guess Nick tells us eventually is like, yeah, I knew these guys were coming, so we had to finish our work before they got here, which obviously didn't happen. But I do like that they're showing us the contrast of like, look, every other person we've met so far in the franchise, including the first movie. Like, they're there because they want to see dinosaurs, because they're interested in dinosaurs. And like, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Meanwhile, the majority of these guys are just like, let's go mess up some dinosaurs. We don't care anything about these. We got Pete Postlethwaite throwing away the key to the dinosaurs because he doesn't even want to mess around with any name that isn't T Rex. These guys are just complete savages going out there to be mercenaries. Right, Matthew? That's completely different than what the other team is doing and what we have seen thus far. So, you know, we're knowing right away these guys are dickheads.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Then there's the one guy on their team that does seem to know stuff.

[Trey Kirby]

The paleontologist.

[J.D.]

I don't know if he ever got a name. Big old beard, long hair. I only have him as Bo Cephas in my notes.

[Jay Skeets]

They literally have to have him there so he can say the proper names of dinosaurs for all of us. Like, thank you. So then the timeline was weird here to me. I think we jump right to like the next morning because this is where we have Roland finding the infant T. Rex. It was like, okay, we just jumped right to the next day.

[Trey Kirby]

I thought that was just later in the day, like that night.

[Jay Skeets]

No, I thought it got. I thought they were doing all their hunting. It got dark. Oh, and then it's the T. Rex scene. The infant T. Rex is like, morning again, right? Or is it dark?

[Trey Kirby]

I can't start.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, it's dark. So it's night.

[Trey Kirby]

It's night. So it's the same day.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, well, same day maybe. Maybe. Could be the next morning for all I know. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The T Rex is chained up a little baby.

[J.D.]

He ain't wasting Time, that's for sure. No, he's like, I'm hunting right away. You guys set up camp. Yeah, I'll be back with a T. Rex momentarily.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. And they chain it up and they're hoping the cries are gonna bring the parents to the base and that that's where they can hunt them down. And that T. Rex, that little baby T. Rex, it's wailing like a mother. It's going crazy.

[Tasmelas]

Apparently they used a baby camel for that sound.

[Jay Skeets]

The sound. Yeah.

[Tasmelas]

And then once you hear it, you can't escape it. Camel the entire time.

[Trey Kirby]

Close your eyes.

[Tasmelas]

And that's a camel crying. It's so.

[Jay Skeets]

I wish Samuel L. Jackson was still alive to pop in and say. Somebody say camel got a butt hanging.

[J.D.]

Hold on to your hump.

[Jay Skeets]

So later that night, I guess then Hammond's crew sneaks up on the Dino Snatchers. Peter is making a presentation to the ingen board about his plan, which is this dinosaur themed park in San Diego. Weird line thrown in here. You know how great a place San Diego is for this? He says San Diego Zoo, SeaWorld and the San Diego Chargers.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

What? It lost me on the Chargers part.

[J.D.]

Animals. Animals man.

[Jay Skeets]

So, yeah, he has like. I mean, poor Eddie's struggling with all his equipment. They've got a full Zoom meeting going. Like.

[J.D.]

Yeah, I'm impressed actually.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I know.

[J.D.]

In general, like, in general should have gotten into the technology game rather than just straight up the dinosaur de Extincting game. Because we saw in the first one they basically invented Waymo 30 years earlier. They have electric self driving cars. And this one they're doing Zoom 25 years before Zoom comes out. Like they were on to some really good technology stuff and I guess that was just like to finance the dinosaur project. Yeah, but they could have probably done well and killed way fewer people if they just would have continued down the path of making consumer products.

[Tasmelas]

So this is like Kelly hacking. Was it Kelly? Or maybe I'm mixing up Lex. Lex. My bad, my bad. She could use her hacking abilities.

[J.D.]

She could have taken over the company.

[Trey Kirby]

Exactly.

[Jay Skeets]

She could have. I was going to say this is what you're saying is like Apple and their technology and their phones and computers, but then, you know, pivoting into movies.

[J.D.]

Yeah, that's ridiculous.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, they're like, we got all this money, let's just do other things. Yeah, that's what they're doing here. So Nick infiltrates the base camp, he frees the dinosaurs and they wreak havoc here on this base camp. And that's when Roland then Inspects the cages and he realizes they've been sabotaged and that they're not alone on this island. And that was not dinosaurs that let these dinosaurs out of the cage. That was humans. So that's where we are. Any thoughts on this whole scene here, JD with what's going on?

[Trey Kirby]

Well, look, when they're chasing the dinosaurs, when they first get there, you know, I think it's supposed to be like a show stopping.

[Jay Skeets]

Wow.

[Trey Kirby]

Like, we're in it. We're like. We are riding motorbikes underneath dinosaurs. Dinosaurs. And it's cool. It did not look great, like, compared to the wonder and awe of, you know, seeing the dinosaurs. Like, I like that they were trying to move for further with it. Like. Yeah, now we're not just looking at them. We're hunting dinosaurs. And, like, just this action sequence where we got vehicles. We got, you know, this. The weird chair that comes out of the Jeep for some reason.

[Jay Skeets]

Like, you know, sort of Mad Max, like.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, yeah. When the motorcycle goes under the. Whatever it is, the big dinosaur. I'm like, this is not. This is stupid. Like, like, this is dumb. And then, you know, Tembo's sort of speech about his fee and, you know, like, this is not a blah, blah, blah, blah. Absolutely nailed by Postlethwaite. But horrible dialogue. And like, this whole thing of they're in a bumpy Jeep and he's like this big monologue and he's just like, I have two conditions. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, it's just like, oh, God. I mean, it's fine. I guess like, any other actor wouldn't be able to pull it off. But Postlethwaite's great and, you know, like, the jump to oh, we are not alone on this island. I'm like, you brought a hundred guys with you. Like, you think it might have been one of your dudes.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

Who sabotaged. But anyways, yeah, I mean, it's fine. Whatever. Like, I don't know.

[Tasmelas]

I do like the chairs being ejected out from each vehicle.

[Trey Kirby]

You like it?

[Jay Skeets]

Cool.

[Tasmelas]

They're ahead of the time.

[J.D.]

Good tech.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Wonder.

[Trey Kirby]

What is the purpose of it, though? Like, so you can just.

[Jay Skeets]

To get a better. Better, you know, rope on, I guess.

[Trey Kirby]

Lasso, I guess.

[Jay Skeets]

Rope them up. Yeah.

[Tasmelas]

The technology is there. Are. Do they drive under a stegosaurus? Is that.

[Trey Kirby]

No, it's not a stegosaurus.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that might be the ones we couldn't name in the first G. No, because those.

[Trey Kirby]

Those are small. Those are like elk size. Right?

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

It was big enough For a motorcycle to drive.

[Jay Skeets]

Was it the Elvis one? Maybe, though.

[Trey Kirby]

Maybe. I think it might have been, yeah. Elvis, yeah.

[J.D.]

We mostly got a shot of its legs. I do like, when Triceratops starts raging through the camp after Nick and them, like, release them at the investor call. I think that's pretty good. Now I'm getting excited. I'm like, oh, all right. We're gonna get some dinosaur raging. And then suddenly it's over.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

Just, like, the tiniest taste of dinosaur not enough for me. But I think you're totally right. It's like in the first one, they have that moment when they get to Jurassic Park. We get the awe, but kind of like the genies out of the bottle. They can't really do that the exact same way again. We get tiny moments of people, like, in the Jeeps driving along and they're like, oh, cool. You know, they are, like, still wowed to see the dinosaurs, but because they did that whole. The whole first half of the first movie is, you know, the beauty of the dinosaurs and the friendliness of the herbivores. They don't do that in the second one because they can't just totally repeat themselves. So now, like, the herbivores are dangerous.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[J.D.]

You know, I think that is kind of, like, indicative of the way this whole movie goes. It's like everything's a little bit more serious and dark and dangerous for the second one compared to the first one. And what we liked about the first one was that they had the contrast in style.

[Jay Skeets]

Yep.

[J.D.]

Whereas with this one, it's just, like, murders right away. It's just a ruckus, man. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

And anything can happen.

[Jay Skeets]

Hey, look, there's no fences, man. Anything can happen. So Nick, though, he saves the injured infant T. Rex and he brings it to the RV for medical attention. So they've got it here in the rv, and they're, you know, they're fixing it. And he takes off his belt to, like, wrap up its mouth so it doesn't, you know, sort of bite them or whatever. And, oh, my God, there's a fly.

[J.D.]

In here in case. Yeah, exactly.

[Jay Skeets]

And Sarah's helping, and they're trying to fix its leg, you know, and Nick's chomping away.

[J.D.]

I need something adhesive. What could we possibly use? Oh, little slice of gum.

[Tasmelas]

Well, she says spit, and he literally spits his saliva.

[Jay Skeets]

And she said, no, you're gum.

[Tasmelas]

That's right, dummy. Oh, okay.

[Trey Kirby]

Dummy is correct. Because these fucking morons are bringing a baby T. Rex into their trailer. They're all told Us. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

That she has learned that they will go nuts in protecting their infant. And it's like, oh, no. It's not like, we thought, T. Rex has baby, and just like, yeah, screw out. Get out of here, baby. We don't care about you anymore. They're not. Not like that at all.

[Trey Kirby]

Right. And to your earlier point, she made a point of being like, well, we can't interfere here. Like, even though Postlethwaite probably purposefully broke its leg to lure the T. Rex, you still can't. You just. It's just the stupidest thing you could do. And when you're. When your characters are morons, I, like, I don't care about them.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. You know?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. So, well, they're in this rv, and at one point, I thought it happened, like, really quickly, but, like, Kelly starts freaking out. She's like, suddenly, like, this is a bad idea coming here.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Maybe it's seeing the wailing baby, infant T. Rex on the table or something. But she starts panicking, so her and Malcolm go and join Eddie in the high tide.

[Trey Kirby]

High hide.

[Jay Skeets]

High hide. Yeah. High hide. Thank you. Elevated basket thing.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

What was the point of this?

[J.D.]

I mean, anyway, that was one where I was like, oh, this will pay off. You made it. Because they show us, like, what. They're at the hangar or whatever. Right. And he's kind of, like, going through. Eddie's going through all of the different things that he's bringing that he hasn't tested yet, and included is the high hide. And Malcolm's like, oh, perfect. Convenient biting height.

[Jay Skeets]

Right?

[Trey Kirby]

Right.

[J.D.]

You're thinking Eddie is gonna get chomped out of that.

[Jay Skeets]

Sure, sure.

[J.D.]

But no, they just use it to hide.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, that's it. Yeah. You never heard of Chekhov's high hide?

[Jay Skeets]

Spielberg. Well, what's funny, too, is, like, Malcolm takes. Takes her Kelly up with Eddie. Or they get up there in the high hide, and then he's, like, up there. He calls Back to the RV, no answer.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

So he, like, rappels down, like, 10 seconds later.

[J.D.]

Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

Yep. He's like, I guess you're safe now. You didn't want to be in the rv. Let me go back. Yeah, you just stay with Eddie. Pouring rain out, barely any coverage to this thing. She's got no jacket on. I'm sure it's warm, but wet.

[Trey Kirby]

But very wet.

[Jay Skeets]

Very wet. So, yeah, he rappels down, and he's just making some fascinating decisions in my mind.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, totally. I mean, look, let me ask the dads in the room. Are you leaving Your child in the high hide by yourself. By herself. So you can go rescue your soon to be ex girlfriend.

[J.D.]

Absolutely not.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, you're not.

[J.D.]

They literally left her hanging.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. It's crazy. It's a crazy decision.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah. It should have been like Mario Kart, you know, in the Renegade roundup where they have these high heights. Everybody's got to go together. You get released together.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tasmelas]

Going together. You're not just leaving your child there.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes.

[Tasmelas]

That's a hard, hard. No, dog. You can't. You just can't.

[Jay Skeets]

So Malcolm makes it back to the rv, but this is where the team is attacked by the adult T. Rexes. Yes.

[Tasmelas]

Plural.

[Jay Skeets]

There's more than one? There's a cool part. We got both of them on both sides of the rv. Yeah, we're doing some more big dino looking through window work here, but, you know, that's. It's fine to play that. That.

[Trey Kirby]

Sure.

[Jay Skeets]

That. Hit again. And you're doubling it up. Now they're on both sides.

[Trey Kirby]

This is by far the best scene in the movie for me. The trailer. The whole trailer sequence.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, the whole trailer sequence. I think it goes on a little too long when it's off the cliff.

[J.D.]

JD on this one.

[Jay Skeets]

But Sarah says they're not hunting. They came for their infant. Yep, yep. We knew that. So they open the door, they give the baby T. Rex back. Like, just give it back to them. They'll sure, they'll probably, like, take it and leave. But they're not done. They're not done. No, no, no. They're still angry. So this is where they flip the RV and they push it over a cliff and it's teetering over the edge. Right. I guess. Like, at least half of the RV is hanging off the edge, the other is sort of on land.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, that's the weird part because the dinos disappear after pushing. Why don't they finish the job?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, they're like, that's good enough.

[Trey Kirby]

They get distracted. They left.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

They leave and come back and leave and come back. Like three times. Right?

[Jay Skeets]

Don't they sort of.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, definitely.

[Tasmelas]

Twice they get the baby back, they leave.

[Trey Kirby]

Then Goldblum's about to get on the radio and he's like, oh, this is gonna be bad. They get smashed up, then they leave again. I think it's three times.

[J.D.]

Yeah, they definitely come back for Eddie.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Yes.

[Trey Kirby]

I guess they hear the. But. Yeah. Why wouldn't they just finish the job and it's just knock the whole thing over.

[Tasmelas]

It felt weird.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, it's teetering over the Edge. And Sarah falls onto the window on the one end of the thing. And this is where we get the whole it's cracking part scene. It's like, are they gonna be able to get to her in time? And something else is about to drop and break it. Right. That's the thing, Nick. Vince Vaughn's trying to grab satellite phone. Satellite phone. Right. And of course Malcolm's trying to get to her. And he catches her just before it breaks or while it breaks. The help of that lucky backpack. What a movie for this backpack comes through a couple times.

[J.D.]

Yeah. She doesn't heed her own advice at all when it comes to not interfering. Because every chance she gets, she interferes. But she was 100% right about the lucky backpack.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

Handy all along.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes. Yes, it does indeed.

[J.D.]

I love anytime in a movie there's a slow cracking scene I think is awesome. So she's hanging or she's laying like on the glass. And as she's slowly moving her hands and her fingers, it's like little spider webs coming out. And we know like the clock is ticking on if she's going to fall soon enough you'll see that like on ice or something. Like an iced over lake. I always think it's cool.

[Jay Skeets]

I'm with this scene up until this point. Like if it had ended soon after they catch her. But it actually goes on for a lot longer. Cause you got the whole Eddie sort of saving them. Cause he hustles back. He now leaves Kelly in the high hide. So he's coming back and he's trying to save them. He's trying to save them with the rope that he's tied to a tree. And then he attaches his car to the RV with like the steel wrench cable to his truck. Truck. And then, you know, this is what he's doing. He's got two things going, right. He's got them on the rope. And he has some complications with that. And then he's obviously got the truck part. Got complications with that because the T. Rex has come back like you said.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

And he eventually gets eaten.

[Tasmelas]

He can't decide what to do. It's like he's on the hamster wheel. His feet just start working. He's like this way or that way. This way or that way.

[Jay Skeets]

He just can't.

[Tasmelas]

You just can't grapple it.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, that's what I like about it. And that's why I think it works. It's it on paper. It feels tedious. And I can see how somebody would think it's, this is going on way too long. But I don't know, it worked for me. Just be just the tension of them being stuck at the bottom of this thing and him trying to work out, how am I gonna do this? And then he gets eaten by a T. Rex.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. I was getting a little confused with the ropes and what was tied and where the heck everything was, but I went back and I did look at it again. I was like, okay, it does make sense what he's trying to do, but he's got a lot to do. And there's two T. Rexes coming back.

[Trey Kirby]

Exactly. Single handedly trying to, you know, save these people while fending off T. Rexes and he's just, he's stuck in the mud. He's slipping all over the place. And then the gun gets stuck. Right. Like, it's just, it's kind of frustrating to watch, but also like, you're like, holy. I, I, I. It worked for me.

[Jay Skeets]

Tough death for our guy, Eddie.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

Oh, yeah. Double chomp tossed in the air.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, yeah.

[J.D.]

In their mouths. Hey, toss me bit a little of Eddie, please.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that's true. I would have liked to have seen the two dinosaurs, the two txs, do a little lady and tramp with Eddie. They want to kiss.

[J.D.]

Meet me at the belt.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

His airbag goes off.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Jay Skeets]

That was a good part. So, yeah, long scene, but goodbye, Eddie.

[Tasmelas]

Don't worry though, 10 minutes is how long it took. Is that what it was from, from the dino push. I did go back not to get all analytics, but just from the first dino push to that.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Maybe it feels like an even longer scene because we are with them in the RV for a good chunk.

[Tasmelas]

Oh, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Before that too.

[Trey Kirby]

So.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

What do you think of the orders?

[J.D.]

3 cheeseburgers, no onions for Nick and an apple turnover for Sarah. Two times.

[Jay Skeets]

Like craziest things are happening to these people for them to throw some zingers in. I don't.

[J.D.]

That was an interesting time to have.

[Jay Skeets]

That was an interesting time to have some fun.

[Trey Kirby]

It does happen in Jurassic park, which we love, though the tone is different. Look, Jeff Goldblum is different in this movie. He is thrust into the leading man position. He is in dad mode. And you know, when you're in dad mode, you're kind of less fun, you know, like he's. It's easier for him to be wisecracking and like, you know, when he's just observing the action, you know, rather than being in the action. You know what I'm saying? So.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, and as you said, Julian Moore just wasn't peak. Julianne Moore.

[Trey Kirby]

No, and also I'll say Vince Vaughn should have easily stepped into that role of the wisecracking smart ass. You know what I mean? Because look, Spielberg saw him in Swingers. I rough cut his swingers. Apparently we're talking about. And you know, the guy has comedy chops. He's been in some of the best comedies ever, you know, in the last. Whatever in the next 10 years of his career after this. Yeah, like he has comedy chops. He is just as funny as Jeff Goldblum in a different way. He could have easily been like wisecracking and just being that.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, but like Trey said, the tone of this movie is so much darker and serious.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, but if he's a. Like Dr. Malcolm in the first movie is a bit of an asshole. Right? Like clearly. So make Vince Vaughn the bit of an asshole. He is a bit of an asshole in this movie, but you know, just make him funny and. And those kind of lines feel better coming from an. In a tense situation, I guess is my point.

[J.D.]

Yeah, I agree with that. That's why to me, Vince Vaughn's best scene is when he meets Ian Malcolm and they're talking about Greenpeace for women. He's like, oh, how noble of. He said noble was last year. This year I'm getting paid. And that to me is like Vince Vaughn in double down Trent mode. And that's when he's at his best in any movie is when he's like the fast talking, slick talking.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Guy.

[J.D.]

And he doesn't do that. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. He doesn't get to do that nearly enough. Enough in this, I don't think.

[Jay Skeets]

No, his. I mean his role in this movie is not a lot really.

[J.D.]

No, he goes from being a photographer to being like a eco terrorist.

[Tasmelas]

You mentioned getting paid. Let me just throw this in here. Apparently, Julianne Moore later admitted that she only signed on because she was trying to pay off her divorce settlement with John Gold Rubin. But she did want to work with Steven Spielberg that she hadn't done. So that was part of that.

[Jay Skeets]

To that I say, yeah, that checks out.

[J.D.]

I'll take a check.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Peter Roland, the mercenaries, they come to the RV site. So they rescue Malcolm and his team after the T. Rexes have left. They brought Kelly too. So that was nice of them, I guess. Got her down from the high hide. Thanks for that.

[J.D.]

Yeah. I mean, honestly, now that I'm thinking about it, maybe we need to reassess Malcolm's parenting. She was the safest.

[Jay Skeets]

There's no safer place to be.

[Trey Kirby]

Yep, you're right. You're right.

[Jay Skeets]

It turned out that high hide was very high because we even see a shot of, like, I guess the T. Rex is going through the jungle. Really?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

And you could just. You can't even see their heads.

[Trey Kirby]

Right.

[Jay Skeets]

How high the hell is that? What tree was that attached to?

[Trey Kirby]

But yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Also the problem is that it's attached to a Jeep, which would be seen. And we know that the T. Rex is pretty curious about jeeps and vehicles. Right? They hate them.

[Jay Skeets]

They do hate jeeps. Okay, so we learn then now that they're sort of all together, both of these teams, is that the only working radio is in the interior that's populated by the Velociraptors. And this is where they have to, like, they're all going to go together, but we have members of this team that get attacked by raptors and by other dinosaurs and killed. So I'll give them all to you. You tell me your favorite. I guess, sort of death scene here. So the first death is Dieter. Is that his name? Dieter.

[Trey Kirby]

Dieter.

[Jay Skeets]

Dieter. The nihilist from the Big Lebowski. He tells Carter he's going for a leak, but Carter's too busy listening to mariachi music on his Walkman. So, I mean, this is a long scene, and I'm, you know, flying through it here, but he gets. He gets killed by all those little baby dinos that. The compo.

[Trey Kirby]

The compies.

[Jay Skeets]

The compies. Yeah. That took that or at least attacked that daughter early in the movie. The next one is Carter. Poor Carter. I think it's him.

[Tasmelas]

Mm.

[Jay Skeets]

He gets smushed like a bug. Oh, that's a good one.

[Trey Kirby]

To the foot.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. That's when, you know, the T Rex has shown up.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Burke. That is the guy's name, I guess. The guy that knows about the paleontologist bad team. Yeah, the bad guys he snatched from inside the waterfall because a snake went down his shirt. Yeah. Dumb decision on this guy's part. Yeah.

[J.D.]

You got to take the snake bite there.

[Jay Skeets]

You gotta take the snake bite. And then finally, we get the raptors out in the tall grass. They took out, like, 20 guys.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

Pretty silently.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, yeah.

[J.D.]

So favorite fields. Those are cool.

[Jay Skeets]

Favorite of those four deaths.

[J.D.]

Tough call. I do like the blood downstream shot when Dieter gets killed, but I think I'm gonna go with. You said Carter was his name.

[Jay Skeets]

I thought it was Carter, the walker guy? Yeah, yeah.

[J.D.]

Guy stuck on the bottom of the T. Rex foot. I think it's pretty good.

[Tasmelas]

Was good. I'm going with Deer, Peter Storm, Marcus, he's just, he's the bad guy that he was in Constantine. They. It felt, it felt right for him to get nibbled over and over and over.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, I hate when he gets bit on the lip. Sort of gross.

[Tasmelas]

That was awesome.

[J.D.]

Gross.

[Jay Skeets]

He sort of took it in stride. I was like, damn.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, he's tough for sure.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah. At first when I saw the blood streaming, I thought, I want to see him get eaten. Because it did it.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it did.

[Tasmelas]

We didn't see it, but then it was fitting. We saw enough biting. We saw the biting of the lip. It was great.

[Jay Skeets]

I just think, like, even in this movie with you see all of them, like, they sort of look the worst to me. The smaller the dinosaur. The worst. It looks CGI Wise. Wise. And I wonder if they're like, we can't show them eating them. It won't look good. Yeah, like, so just like have him, you know, he dies. But like just. We can't show it. Yeah, my gut says.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

Because they don't show it with the little girl either.

[Jay Skeets]

Like, maybe it would just bite.

[J.D.]

Yeah, probably the CGI bites and blood is the part that's the problem.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, I want to give a little bit of justice for Dieter because he did. The one good thing in the whole movie was when he zaps the compy with the. The little cattle prod. The paleontologist is like, ah. They don't have no reason to feel man. To fear man. He zaps him now. He does. Well, you just did a very good thing because now the copies are going to be afraid of the natural predators, men. Right, right. They'll be like afraid to go after them. You know what I mean?

[Jay Skeets]

Like, are going to be afraid to go after humans.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Because they stopped them. Well, and then. And then they'll stay away from the cops. I know, but I'm just so fitting.

[Tasmelas]

They go back and they got revenge, man.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, but we want wildlife to be afraid of humans is what I'm saying.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

Because it's good for everybody.

[J.D.]

Long term.

[Trey Kirby]

You think it plays out long term?

[Jay Skeets]

It's bad short term.

[Trey Kirby]

Bad for him personally, but. Well, you think the compy went back and told all his friends.

[Jay Skeets]

Yes, because I still believe. I still believe they're all doctors.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, right.

[Jay Skeets]

You're right.

[Trey Kirby]

You're right.

[Jay Skeets]

So they're well educated companies. Fair enough. Yeah. So There are all these deaths and like, again, there's a whole bunch of them here. Nick heads out ahead of the others of his little team. He managed to get. He get. He manages to get a message off to the boat waiting in the seas around the island. And then Malcolm, Sarah and Kelly arrive soon after. Where are they at? They're at just like something that was maybe was the breeding facility.

[Trey Kirby]

I think so, yeah.

[J.D.]

The operations center, whatever communication center.

[Jay Skeets]

I don't know.

[J.D.]

They call it names.

[Jay Skeets]

What is it?

[J.D.]

The village.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[J.D.]

The buildings.

[Jay Skeets]

We have the three of them, Malcolm, Sarah and Kelly. They are fighting off a pack of raptors. There's a lot going on here. They get sort of separated a little bit because Malcolm's in the jeep. At first they're in that building. We do then get, soon after this, the batshit crazy scene where Kelly defeats a velociraptor thanks to the power of gymnastics. And we get the line after she does. So the school cut you from the teeth. Not bad. Not bad.

[J.D.]

Like for.

[Tasmelas]

For the.

[J.D.]

For the zingers following up. I thought the zinger was better than the stunt in this one. Unfortunately, there are some parts I like to this before we get to her uneven bars routine. Like, I love the raptors. Okay, first of all, the lucky pack comes in handy for Sarah. Again, a raptor jumps on her back but lands on the pack and rips it off. So she gets a little bit of leeway to go. Her and Kelly get into that room where they eventually have to climb up and all that stuff. And then I love when the raptor are chasing Malcolm and he uses a door, goes in through the door, but then the raptors busts through the window. So Malcolm leaves back out the door again.

[Jay Skeets]

I thought that was great, was good. I even like the digging part where they're trying to dig under to go under something. And the velociraptors are also digging on the other side and they're like having this race. Cool. Close ups of them digging. Yeah, Much faster.

[Tasmelas]

Great digging shots.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. I just remember in 97 watching this movie and just like, like I didn't get up and leave the theater after she kicks the velociraptor. But like it was. It's so bad.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, I saw that opening weekend and I remember groans, groans. Like the packed theater. People were like, what? She like, pissed.

[Jay Skeets]

She's up there and she like looks at the bar and like, Sarah's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? And then jumps on it. Spin, spin, spin, kick, kick. See you through the thing. It's like, come on.

[Trey Kirby]

Brutal, brutal, brutal. Right before that, you were talking about Trey, about the. The Jeff Goldblum versus the Raptors. This is highlights how wrong he is for this leading sort of running around thing because he's so jazzy, you know, like, he's just. It feels like a musical number. You know what I mean?

[Jay Skeets]

Like, he's like.

[Trey Kirby]

You know, like, go back and watch it. And then you. If you listen to the score, I think that John Williams could not help himself because it feels like what side story. You know, like he's, you know, jiving and bobbing and. Oh, it's hilarious.

[Jay Skeets]

It feels like there's little.

[Trey Kirby]

There's very little.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, little music.

[Trey Kirby]

We don't hear the, the theme, like the, the majestic theme at all in this movie. And they don't play the. The. The main theme or whatever, you know, the, the island theme till the credits.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, wow.

[Trey Kirby]

You will hear.

[Jay Skeets]

I thought there was like a remixed version of one of them in one of these.

[Trey Kirby]

There's. There is one moment where there's just a couple of moments, but when they. You first see the island for the first time, it hits the chord of the first. Da, da, da. But it's the strings. It's the same chord, but then it just goes off to something else. Because this isn't Jurassic Park. This is.

[Jay Skeets]

Right. This is site B.

[Trey Kirby]

This is site B. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

So, okay, we have to re. Watch this scene.

[Tasmelas]

Oh, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

I didn't notice the jazzy hands of Jeff Cole. It feels like I'm using.

[Trey Kirby]

Exactly, exactly.

[Jay Skeets]

Well, back to Kelly taking out the velociraptor. Vanessa Lee Chester, the actor, she joked that she kept begging the filmmakers to give her a stunt to do. And she thinks this is. May have been where the gymnastics scene came from. She explained, quote, I was just like, please give me a stunt scene. Please give me something crazy to do and that maybe they put this in. I hope not.

[Trey Kirby]

But, I mean, that's a fair request, to be honest. If you're in a dinosaur movie, I want to do something cool. This is not cool.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

So she survives thanks to the power of gymnastics. Sarah manages to survive thanks to, I guess, poor roofing construction. Yeah, when she's up there and the tiles are falling off and she's using it to her advantage and getting them off all. Then they start fighting each other. Yeah, the velociraptors turn on each other.

[J.D.]

That's the thing with raptors is if you can last long enough, eventually they'll Turn on each other.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, that's good. Yeah.

[J.D.]

Yeah. You just gotta. You gotta deal with the 15 minutes of terror. But eventually they'll get bored chasing a human and just want to fight each other.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Especially now that we know there are male velociraptors. Right. I think it was one thing when all these very wise just female dinosaurs living in harmony. But that's then, obviously, when they started breeding, things got out of hand.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

I think that sequence worked on the roof.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

She's fending off one of them below, but it's actually bringing the other raptor closer to her, you know?

[Jay Skeets]

Yep, it works. Okay.

[Tasmelas]

That part was cool. Was the amount of shingles sliding down believable at all?

[Jay Skeets]

I guess they were like. They're like flying down this building. It's like hasn't been, you know, no upkeeps for four years at least the hurricane hit it.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, all hurricane. Forgot about hurricane.

[Jay Skeets]

So it's shoddy is my point. She made it work.

[Tasmelas]

She did.

[Jay Skeets]

So then the helicopters arrived to fly out. Malcolm, his daughter, Sarah, Nick. And that's the end of the movie. Yay. Good movie, everybody. Record scratch. What? Nope, we got a lot more to go here. Roland has managed to tranquilize a T. Rex and its baby. And they're caged and they're waiting to put them on the ship. I guess they sort of see that, right? From the helicopter, right. They're like, what the hell's going on? Suddenly we're back in San Diego and the ship is going to come there. And Peter's plan is to put the captured wreck into a cage in that zoo in that amphitheater that he had talked about. He holds a press conference at like, I don't know, it appears to be like 2 in the morning even. They even slipped in a line, something like. He says something like, thanks to all these people showing up at this time. Yeah, it is a little weird. But we got an issue here. Because this ship coming in, the SS Venture, it's not slowing down and they cannot communicate with it. And it crashes into the dock. Holy crap. And then they get on it and everybody's killed. And obviously we'll get into the dinosaur part of it all, but who killed these people on this ship?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, this is a big plot hole to me. Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Because we know that baby T Rex has been flown already and this just is the cargo ship for the big, giant, tranquilized T. Rex.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

So what kills it?

[Tasmelas]

There was a scene that was deleted.

[Trey Kirby]

Okay, go on.

[Tasmelas]

That makes sense. That's the only way it makes sense.

[Jay Skeets]

I know it doesn't make any sense.

[Trey Kirby]

There, because on the bridge, there's crew all over the place, ripped apart. Obviously, there's no T. Rex in there.

[Jay Skeets]

That's what I'm saying.

[Trey Kirby]

It's. Unless there's a raptor running.

[Tasmelas]

There are. Apparently there are raptors on the board.

[Jay Skeets]

Aboard the ship.

[Tasmelas]

On the ship. Ship. But then it was deleted for some reason. However, the scene was removed and never. It was removed and never filmed, but this detail still remained. I don't know. I don't have an answer.

[Jay Skeets]

The only thing that makes sense is, like, when they were putting the T. Rex on.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

That other dinosaurs got on probably velociraptors, let's be honest. And then they took out everybody, hence why nobody could communicate. And it crashed into the dark. And the T. Rex is still in the cargo thing.

[J.D.]

That's a great point. Like, I mean, you're. You're buying that everybody in the cargo hold is dead.

[Jay Skeets]

Fair enough. Okay.

[J.D.]

T. Rex going nuts. Once that's happening, I think it's on the captain to say, nobody go to the cargo hold. We just got to get this boat back.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Right.

[J.D.]

But I guess if there's raptors hanging, maybe. Maybe they're just still loose in San Diego.

[Jay Skeets]

Maybe.

[J.D.]

Maybe we haven't gotten to number four yet.

[Jay Skeets]

I don't know what happens. So the. Yeah. They get aboard this thing, and they're like, where's the crew? And, yeah, somebody says, they're all over the place. They've all been killed. So then the T. Rex escapes the ship, you know, bursts out of the hole because that's like, you know, one guy's, you know, decapitated arm, right, is holding on to the open close button. And then somebody grabs it. Anyway, it busts loose because they screwed up. This was like, they glossed over this, but, like, they tranquilized it. But then they thought they gave it too much.

[Trey Kirby]

Right.

[J.D.]

It's not breathing. So they gave it something else.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. And then it's like adrenaline coursing through it. Yeah.

[J.D.]

And Sarah's like, it's like a locomotive now. It's hyped up.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, exactly. Coffee? You gave it a Mountain Dew. Are you crazy? Give it a Red Bull. So it's loose in the city of San Diego, and we get this whole scene, and it's taking a casual stroll through a San Diego neighborhood. Oh, yeah. There's not a single cop car following it, at least that we can see. There's not a light on it. There's Nothing like. It's just like going again around these backyards, stops to take a sip from a backyard pool. I love that.

[J.D.]

I love that. They're like, it's gonna go for a water source next. It was on a boat. One second ago, it's on a pier. But now I'm gonna go find a swimming pool.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

Salty.

[Trey Kirby]

Salt water.

[Jay Skeets]

Salt water. Yeah. And then it eats the family dog. Rest in peace to the family dog. And we get the scene with the kid waking up his kids or his parents.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. Okay. Where do these parents rank? I mean, they're kind of dicks.

[Jay Skeets]

They're.

[Tasmelas]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Big time.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. This boy has cried dinosaur before, though.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Slash wolf, obviously. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the kids survived, so.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jay Skeets]

They didn't do anything too stupid.

[Trey Kirby]

I don't like the way they chained the dog to a. Oh, the Snoopy dog house.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Do people do that?

[J.D.]

Is that a thing in 90s movies?

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I remember.

[J.D.]

I mean, I feel like I've seen dog houses driving around, but not very common.

[Jay Skeets]

No, Definitely not in the city, for sure. Maybe more of a. I was going to say more of a country thing. But why would you have a dog caged up? You shouldn't have a dog caged up. Everybody knows that. Yeah, but it's. Yeah, it's. It's dead pretty sad.

[Trey Kirby]

I mean, it's really just for the. The. The image of the doghouse, you know, dangling from the. The T. Rex's mouth, which. Which is effective, I think.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. But.

[Trey Kirby]

Poor dog.

[Jay Skeets]

So the plan here, Malcolm and Sarah learn that Peter did bring the infant T. Rex back on a plane, like I said. So it also wasn't on that ship. And they have it in the. In construction zoo or amphitheater where. Where he plans to do all this stuff. That's where they have it. So Malcolm and Sarah go to retrieve it to lure the T Rex back to the docks. But, yeah, Now. Now the T. Rex, though, after getting. He's got a Mountain Dew coursing through him. Now he's got a dog coursing through him. Got a lot of energy. So he hits the downtown core, I guess. Oh, yeah, right. Of San Diego. And that's where he's just going sicko mode. He's going nuts.

[J.D.]

Goes to Blockbuster right away.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, right.

[J.D.]

Just like the 90s. It's like, I got my Mountain Dew.

[Jay Skeets]

Let's go. Run.

[J.D.]

Tsunami, Sunrise, Kevin Bacon. I love the fake movies they have in there that. I don't know. I couldn't decide if I want to see Tsunami, Tsunami Sunrise or Arnold Schwarzenegger's King Lear.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Is there Robin Williams too?

[Trey Kirby]

Robin Williams is in there.

[J.D.]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Jack and Something or Jack and the Beanstalk, maybe.

[J.D.]

Something like that. That would be a fun part of being in the writers room is coming up with the fake news.

[Trey Kirby]

Totally.

[Jay Skeets]

And we get. I'm sure everybody noticed it. JDU especially. We get an ode to Godzilla.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, yes.

[Jay Skeets]

With four Japanese guys running and looking back.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

I think they even say, right. Don't they say, like, we left Tokyo for this or something?

[Trey Kirby]

No, I think that's Austin Powers you're thinking of. Oh, because there is copyright.

[J.D.]

We can't say Godzilla.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, that's it. That's the.

[J.D.]

Yeah, but 100 an homage to Godzilla showing the Asian businessmen first before we get into, like, everybody running down the street. I thought that was good. I think. I mean, this whole T. Rex coming to San Diego is basically King Kong, but guess what? Now it's a dinosaur in San Diego. And you even get like a little bit of a callback to an earlier Steven Spielberg movie when the 76 ball from the gas station comes rolling behind him just like Raiders of the Lost Ark.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, right, right. So were you a fan of this whole dinosaur loose in San Diego?

[Trey Kirby]

I was. I mean, it's fun. I mean, this is the reason why Spielberg wanted to do this movie at all. I think he. He's. He said, I always wanted to do a Godzilla or a monster movie, and now he's. He's doing it. And I think it's. It's stupid and. But it works.

[Jay Skeets]

It's.

[Trey Kirby]

It's fun. It's fun to watch, for sure.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. Yeah, it's stupid. Like the whole, like, plot point. Like, how the heck were they gonna actually.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, this thing in this amphitheater. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Well, all of that, like the setup of getting it there and, and this was never in the Crichton Titan sequel. Not that that was any great work of art or anything, but yeah, this is. This is just Spielberg running amok, you know, look, he. I felt the way he probably felt making this movie, watching this movie. I've just got bored halfway through and I want to go watch Saving Private Ryan now, which is his next movie. He. He wanted to go make a war movie next, so. But yeah, this, this scene kind of works as its own five minute sequence. As a fun sort of. Wow, there's a dinosaur running amok in San Diego. But it's like, who cares?

[Jay Skeets]

So upon hearing and smelling the infant, the T. Rex follows Malcolm and Sarah back to the docks because they did get to it. They got it out of the little cage there. They got it in their convertible. And they're, you know, they're driving back. Get it to the docks. Now, Peter Ludlow, he's ordering that the adult male be shot. Infant got to be recovered. And he sees Malcolm and Sarah carrying the infant to the cargo ship. So he follows, only to find the infant in the cargo hold. Malcolm and Sarah, they leap off the boat, right? Just straight. Jogging ball. Hey, watch this, Malcolm. And then Ludlow attempts to lure the infant out. But soon after, here comes the adult T. Rex. He enters the hole, injures Peter Ludlow before allowing the infant to do the final kill. I think it even nudges it, right?

[Trey Kirby]

Yep.

[Jay Skeets]

It's like, yeah, you do it. So deuces to Peter.

[J.D.]

Each one teach one, finally, a righteous chomp. That's like, he deserved it. Peter deserved it.

[Jay Skeets]

Man.

[J.D.]

We've been waiting to see this guy get eaten. And then he gets eaten by the infant who's, you know, getting its first taste of blood. Good stuff.

[Jay Skeets]

Yep. Sarah then launches the tranquilizer dart. Good shot.

[Trey Kirby]

Shot from her. Great shot.

[Jay Skeets]

Is that the. Do we get, like, it follows the dart shot. Am I crazy?

[J.D.]

It definitely has, like, a slow mo coming out of the barrel.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

And I guess the whole thing was beating the chopper, right? Because the dart is just going to tranquilize it. But I think the chopper looming overhead.

[Jay Skeets]

It'S going to shoot it.

[Trey Kirby]

They're going to shoot it because Ludlow gave orders to shoot.

[Jay Skeets]

You're right. You're right, you're right.

[Trey Kirby]

But that wasn't very well explained or pointed out or anything.

[Jay Skeets]

No. So. So, yeah, the dart hits T. Rex and it subdues it enough, I guess, for Malcolm to close the big doors.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

And. And that's sort of it. And then we get this other scene, you know, in the aftermath. We're watching cnn. They're all asleep. I guess Kelly's watching cnn. The Navy.

[J.D.]

Great point. They are asleep. I'm turning this on.

[Jay Skeets]

I mean, they're tired.

[J.D.]

Yeah, I understand why they're asleep.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

I think it's more questionable that she would turn on CNN or not change the channel, seeing what they're saying, I guess.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah. The Navy and the new crew are escorting the ship back to Isla Sorna. So then we get CNN running an interview with John Hammond. He talks about the preservation and isolation of this island. The creatures require our absence. So now we just have to leave it alone and Then we end with a shot of like all the dinosaurs on this island where they're free and we get for time. Right. Pterodactyl. Yes, that. That we see lands on the branch, makes a sound. I don't know if it was a camel sound or not.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah. Not sure.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, there was a.

[Tasmelas]

There was a Spielberg reflection on the screen during the CNN report as well. That was planted that he was there.

[Jay Skeets]

What do you mean a Spielberg reflection? Steven Spielberg in the reflection.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

So. So it's.

[Tasmelas]

No, no, they did on purpose to get Spielberg. They just gave Spielberg a little shot in.

[Trey Kirby]

What do you mean they. He's the guy. He's the director. He put himself.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yes, yes.

[Jay Skeets]

So he put himself into the room with Kelly, Malcolm and Sarah. It's weird.

[Trey Kirby]

Creepily peering in. Wow.

[Jay Skeets]

It's just an odd decision.

[Trey Kirby]

You have to go back and watch that.

[Tasmelas]

I think he is beside Malcolm. I think he put both of them as the reflection just on the screen.

[Trey Kirby]

What a choice.

[J.D.]

I also thought that the scene where they first come to Isla Sorna, the second team. And like Peter's in the. In the jeep with Roland Tembo and they're talking. Is Peter supposed to be dressed exactly like Steven Spielberg? He's got like the hat on, he's got small glasses. He looks like Spielberg behind the scenes making Jurassic Park.

[Trey Kirby]

Wow.

[J.D.]

Which I was like, interesting choice to him to look like you, minus the beard and stuff. But I don't know, I guess he's just wanting to it put his touches out there. Hey, I made this movie.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah. Seems like there's a lot of that. Just like we'll do some stuff.

[Jay Skeets]

Just chuck this in. All right. Well, that's also.

[J.D.]

I'm thinking. You know what I'm thinking when Hammond is talking about saving the animals? Don't trust this guy.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I know.

[J.D.]

Do the opposite.

[Jay Skeets]

Blow up the ship.

[J.D.]

We just saw the exact opposite. When you did it at night time. The T. Rex went nuts and ate everybody on the ship. Crashed and then devoured people in the mainland in the United States.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

Why would the Return Journey go better?

[Jay Skeets]

Well, and also like use all this amazing technology you guys are good at to just like view the. The dinosaurs on this island with that.

[Trey Kirby]

Right?

[Jay Skeets]

Don't send people.

[J.D.]

Yeah, don't send people.

[Jay Skeets]

Send in drones, set up cameras, whatever. Yeah, let's just track it that way, I guess. Maybe they already are. Why did they have to go? It's sort of all stupid, isn't it? But anyway, that's Jurassic park, the Lost World. Do you Have a favorite scene. Let's start with you, Tass. Favorite scene.

[Tasmelas]

Great question.

[Jay Skeets]

Or your. Or your. Or the dumbest scene. I'll throw them both at you guys.

[Tasmelas]

Best. Or dumbest. I mean, I do like the nibbling of the little dinosaur. Just that.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Tasmelas]

Just that, you know, it. It's. It keeps on going. It's not.

[Jay Skeets]

Just keep bothering them. Yeah, yeah.

[Tasmelas]

You know, that's. They fight. It's a death by a thousand nibbles.

[Trey Kirby]

So.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, that part's fun to me.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay.

[Trey Kirby]

It is fun. The way it sort of. It's a nuisance at first, and then it just escalates and escalates and then it kills him in the end.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, yeah. And he's, like, mean to them and all that. Of course. Yeah. As for a dumb scene or dumbest.

[Tasmelas]

Plot point, now I got to defend the. The gymnastics move.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, okay, please. I'm not fighting.

[Tasmelas]

I'm not fighting for the type of move. It was just for the kids. That's all it was. It was just the kids. The kids apparently complained after the first movie that there weren't enough dinosaurs. So this was just. It was literally just for the kids. Let the kid do something cool.

[J.D.]

Let the kid flip.

[Trey Kirby]

It was strange.

[Jay Skeets]

I was wondering. I'm like, okay, this movie came out in 97. We had a Summer Olympics in 96. I assume, like, were we riding that wave?

[J.D.]

That was Carrie struggling, right?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

I think Carrie Strugg was 1996.

[Jay Skeets]

I think you're right.

[Tasmelas]

That's Atlanta.

[Jay Skeets]

That's Atlanta.

[J.D.]

Humongous. She was a huge star. So you can see why gymnastics were on the mind.

[Jay Skeets]

Yep. 96. When's Gabby Douglas come into our lives?

[Tasmelas]

Oh, later.

[J.D.]

Much later. She's like, 2012, I think.

[Trey Kirby]

Anyway.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, I'll just, like, maybe big gymnastics, like, teamed up with big dinosaurs.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah, there you go.

[Jay Skeets]

All right. What about you, Trey? Favorite scene. And then dumbest scene.

[J.D.]

There are three scenes that, like, I think really carry the movie from a set piece standpoint. Like, I'm with J.D. i like the San Diego sequence, but it just feels completely tacked on as, like, Spielberg's. Like, I'm only making this last Jurassic park movie. I got to do it monster style if I'm going to do it. So I like the scene, but it's probably best just watching that scene because it definitely feels like a third ending to the movie, which is a little bit weird. I also do like the scene when, for whatever reason, they decide to go to sleep on the ground in T. Rex territory.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[J.D.]

Questionable decision But I love the visual of like the T. Rex poking its head into the tent. And when it finally wakes up, it stands up and it's got the tent.

[Jay Skeets]

All over its head.

[J.D.]

I think that's played pretty well. That leads to the guy getting stomped and stepped on the bottom of his foot and then a long haired guy getting eaten after he gets bit by a snake. I think that's all pretty good.

[Jay Skeets]

Good.

[J.D.]

But best scene for me is RV going over the edge. I love it. I think it's. The whole part of it is good. Starting with you think it's one Dino. I think it's one T. Rex. Turns out to be two of them. They get the thing back. They do leave and come back quite a few times for sure. But every time I'm like, oh yeah, T. Rexes are bad.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. As for Dumbassy.

[J.D.]

The flipping man.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, it's a big groan. It's tough not to groan at that.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Jda. Any other dumb scenes or are you going with that one as well?

[Trey Kirby]

I'm going with that one again. Dr. Malcolm. Jazz dancing with.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I gotta rewatch that.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, it's hilarious. I actually love it, so I shouldn't say it's the dumbest. I gotta shout out Vince Vaughn here backing up a cargo van in that warehouse scene. You know what I mean? First time we see him, he's just backing up a van and it like right onto the set, right on its mark, you know, and then he gets out and then they have the whole Greenpeace talk. But just imagine you're Vince Vaughn. Your breakout movie hasn't even come out yet, I don't think. Or it just came out. You're working with Steven Spielberg for the first time. I'm nervous backing up a van in general. Like my car. I don't think I'd be able to back up my car.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

But the pressure, you know what I mean? It's like you're not just acting. You're driving a van backwards, hitting a mark, getting out all in one shot. Like that's impressive.

[Jay Skeets]

We don't know how many takes it took. We.

[Trey Kirby]

We don't.

[J.D.]

Well, you're right, but he killed like three people.

[Trey Kirby]

Exactly.

[Jay Skeets]

Delayed shooting by weeks.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, yeah, Go back and watch it. He's just very confidently just backs up that van. And I was like, God damn, Vin's fine. You got cajones.

[Jay Skeets]

His character Nick too. I guess I skip by it. He stole the particular bullets, right?

[Trey Kirby]

He did.

[Jay Skeets]

From. From Roland. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

That is a dumb scene. To me, that is A dumb thing that he does. Another dumb thing that the character does in a movie. Like, why would you. You've already sort of met, and, you know, you have your differences with Tembo, but, you know, he's the one guy that could probably protect you from a T. Rex, you know, let him have his bullets, you know, and that's. And that's the reason why if he hadn't have taken those bullets, that T. Rex would have been probably dead and not on the island or on. In San Diego. Right. Because he ends up having to tranquilize him instead.

[J.D.]

So anyway, why two shotgun blasts taking down a T. Rex, you think?

[Trey Kirby]

Did you see those bullets?

[Jay Skeets]

I don't know.

[Trey Kirby]

Trust in Tembo. Trust in Tembo.

[J.D.]

Tembo knows what he's doing.

[Trey Kirby]

He knows what he's doing.

[Jay Skeets]

Is he your favorite character from this movie?

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, by a lot, lot.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. I mean, he's a caricature of the, you know, the great hunter or whatever. But I think Postlethwaite nails it. I mean, I think you said it like, he's. He's great and everything.

[Jay Skeets]

So his character does develop, I guess, too.

[Trey Kirby]

It's got an arc. He's. He's. I'm gonna kill the biggest predator. And then he's like, you know what? Respect to the biggest predator. What's his line? I've. I've. I believe I've spent enough time in the company of death. Yeah, that's a great line.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

He's really heartbroken over a guy that died out there, too, that we barely met in this movie. Dieter, man.

[Trey Kirby]

Not Dieter.

[J.D.]

No, it wasn't Dieter.

[Jay Skeets]

It's Ajay. Ajay. Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, right?

[Jay Skeets]

It's Ajay who we see, like, in a handful of scenes, but he is, like, he's devastated that he's been killed.

[J.D.]

We need a spin off. What were these guys doing before?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I know. I guess, like, a lot of. They're isolated, I'm sure a lot. Big game hunting.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Spending a lot of time together. Bonding.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Not saying it's, you know, Brokeback Mountain or anything, but you never know.

[Trey Kirby]

You never know.

[Jay Skeets]

He was heartbroken.

[Trey Kirby]

They were. They had a strong bond.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Tasmelas]

Maybe this is why the WNBA chose Toronto. Tempo, Tembo. It's close. It's a nod. Raptors.

[Jay Skeets]

Raptors.

[Tasmelas]

First Tembo with the wnba.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, that's good. That's good.

[J.D.]

See, I totally. I like. Tembo's my favorite character too. And you totally buy him as, like, a big game hunter. Peter. Peter Postlethwaite. Perfect casting. Vince Vaughn is the Opposite to me. You hear a lot of criticisms of a movie nowadays. People will say that face has seen a cell phone, like playing a piece. You're like, you look too modern for me. I don't feel like Vince Vaughn has spent a day outdoors in his life outside of shooting this specific movie. Doesn't seem like an outdoors guy guy. I'm less surprised that he could perfectly back up a van.

[Trey Kirby]

Right.

[J.D.]

Like, he seems like he would be a good driver.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[J.D.]

I don't know why. More realistic as a driver than a photographer to be.

[Jay Skeets]

That's probably some truth to that.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Tasmelas]

And he's so tanned. Like, has he been tan in any other movie?

[Jay Skeets]

It's a great super tan. Yeah.

[Tasmelas]

He, look, he's. He's always very fair skinned.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah, I thought about it that way.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah. But he does. He does escape the island pretty well manicured. You know what I mean? He doesn't look as dirty as you would think he would after that. After an adventure like that.

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

At least in my mind, as I'm thinking back. But maybe I'm wrong.

[Jay Skeets]

So let's rank the Lost World here in comparison to Jurassic Park. I have a feeling it's going to be slotted in behind that, which we called basically a perfect movie. I will tell you 56% on rotten tomatoes for the Lost World from the critics, 52% from the fans. I feel like that's pretty rare. See the fans with the lower score than the critics, but they're in the same ballpark. Roger Ebert, two out of four stars for the Lost World. I'll read you a small piece. He said, quote, the film structure is weird. I thought it was over. Then it began again. There you go. With a San Diego sequence in which Spielberg seemed to be trying to upstage the upcoming Godzilla movie movie. Because that was.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, right.

[Jay Skeets]

Coming out soon. Yep. And can we. And can we really believe that a ship could ram. Appear at full speed and remain seaworthy? Oh, good point. The problem with the spoiler, Roger, the problem with the movie is that the dinosaurs aren't allowed to be the stars.

[Trey Kirby]

Wow.

[Jay Skeets]

That's what Roger thinks. So on a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rank this movie? The Lost World, Jurassic Park.

[Tasmelas]

Roger put it perfectly. This is a 2 out of 10.

[Trey Kirby]

Oh, careful what you. Yeah, I know what's coming.

[Tasmelas]

You're right. So, yeah, I've never been good at the. Hey, rank these five things. Rank these 10 things. I always slot it way too low. You're right.

[Jay Skeets]

That.

[Tasmelas]

That's potentially my mistake.

[Trey Kirby]

But go with Your gut feels like a two.

[Tasmelas]

That's low. It's slow. Yeah. That. It doesn't. There's no comparison.

[Jay Skeets]

The.

[Tasmelas]

The dinos are not featured. I. I agree. They. They go.

[Trey Kirby]

They have to.

[Tasmelas]

Spielberg goes in a different direction than the, the wonder anticipation. But there has to be a better way than just the boom dino, Boom dino, Boom dino. It's just too fast. There's too much. It's low. It's so low for me, unfortunately.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, a two out of ten. Where you going, Trey?

[J.D.]

It's a five out of ten for me. I do like the action pieces in this. Like all the different dinosaur attacks. I like that they bring back some new or start with some new dinosaurs that we hadn't seen before. Favorite dino for me is the Friar Tuck, who we are told his skull is 9 inches of solid bone. That's why I tell Laura every night.

[Jay Skeets]

This guy's going Friar Tuck mode.

[J.D.]

Hey, tuck me in, Laura. Laura.

[Jay Skeets]

But Friar Fuck over there.

[J.D.]

But I think even that scene, Friar Tuck, like, that's kind of the problem with the movie to me is it's so much darker and dumber to me than the first one. We liked all the happy, joy filled parts, which make the terror parts play a lot better. In Jurassic Park 1, we don't have any light moments really in this one. It's kind of the same way as Temple of Doom was so much darker than Raiders of the lost ark. Right, J.D. like, that's just insanity the entire way through. And that's what this one is like to me. And like we said at the end of last episode, those moments where they're enjoying the park are some of the best moments because it makes everything hit so much harder afterwards. Whereas this one, it's like we meet a stegosaurus. Oh, cute. It's an herbivore. But guess what? Even this one's going crazy trying to knock people out. It's just a different movie and it misses the mark a little bit for me. So 5 out of 10. Action, cool. Plot and character development, not so much.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay, J.D.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah, I'm with you, Trey. I think it's a five out of ten for me. I. But for different reasons. I don't mind that it wanted to go for a darker tone. I want it. You know, we would, if Jeff Goldblum showed up and he was just the same character as before, but being a dad, we would criticize that for not having enough depth and character to it, so. But I think it was a mistake having him the lead of this movie. He should have just stayed out of this movie. Let Vince Vaughn take over or whatever. You know, it's just a problem. The movie itself is just. It's just not good, you know, I guess is what I'm trying to say. It's. There are set pieces that I did find kind of entertainment. Entertaining. Spielberg, you know, his worst movies, you can learn a lot from watching them. You know, like, he's. He's a very good director. He just did not seem to be that interested in making this particular movie. I don't know if he got tired or bored or he just wanted to move on to save Private. Private Ryan, which is a very good movie. But, yeah, five out of ten for me. I don't know. It was a wasted opportunity. It just made me angry more than anything. You got some great actors, an amazing cast. You know, you could have done so much more with this. He should have just passed it on to somebody else. Let Fincher, somebody direct it.

[Jay Skeets]

Right.

[Trey Kirby]

You know what I mean?

[Jay Skeets]

I think I'm in the ballpark of you guys. I'll go four out of 10. I was gonna go five, but I'll switch it up here it is funny. Like, roughly 50% more dinosaur action in this movie than the first one.

[Tasmelas]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

But it's half as good, right? If that. Yep. So I don't know what that says. There's just so many. Like, there are a lot of holes in the plot of this movie or a lot of things where you're like, what? What? Like, just. Even if I'm being honest, like, just Malcolm going back to this place in the first place speaks to what you were saying, jj. But his. His odd relationship with his girlfriend who he must save, but doesn't even seem all that in love to me. Odd. So, yeah, it's. It's not great. I stopped it at one point. Like, it's a long movie. Like I said, it's two hour plus. Like, I definitely stopped it at around an hour or so in. I. Like, there's an hour left. I'm like, what the hell? And then it has that whole part where you do think it's over. You're like, okay, it's done. You're like, oh, no, we're going to San Diego. Which is cool. Does look cool. But it's like, yeah. Thrown on at the end. And so I'm a 4 out of 10 man.

[Trey Kirby]

Yeah.

[Jay Skeets]

Fails in comparison to the first one, but that's our thoughts. Let's hear from you. When it comes to the Lost World, Jurassic Park. Does it get better? Does it get worse. Jurassic Park 3 is our next movie that we're tackling in. Jurassic Pals, released in 2001. Dr. Alan Grant is back.

[Trey Kirby]

He's back.

[Jay Skeets]

He's back. So there's that to look forward to. Does this get more camping be.

[Trey Kirby]

Do you want to answer that?

[Jay Skeets]

Yeah.

[Trey Kirby]

Tell me it gets worse.

[Jay Skeets]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Trey Kirby]

I think it gets worse. But, Trey, you just watched it.

[J.D.]

I did.

[Jay Skeets]

Okay. Well, hey, look.

[Trey Kirby]

What do you think?

[J.D.]

Well, I can't spoil my thoughts. I can't spoil my thoughts. But I watched it.

[Trey Kirby]

I'm gonna watch it.

[J.D.]

Here's the best part about Jurassic Park 3. It gets compared to Jurassic Park 2. Whereas Jurassic Park 2 gets compared to Jurassic Park 1.

[Jay Skeets]

To live up to. Yeah.

[Tasmelas]

Big positive. Positive.

[Trey Kirby]

Right.

[Jay Skeets]

Good point. So that next Jurassic Pals coming next Friday, that'll drop on August 22nd. Us talking about Jurassic Park 3. If you're having a good time talking dinosaurs with the boys, hit the like button. Subscribe. Share the show. Five star ratings and reviews for Jurassic Pals. All right. We will see you next week for Jurassic Park 3. Until then, embrace the embryos. I don't know.

[Trey Kirby]

Sure.

[Jay Skeets]

Yep. Didn't know what to say there. Bye.