D4vd Hearing Day 2, Nancy Guthrie Ransom Note Revealed (FINALLY) & Housewives Predictions with Lori Altermann

Summary

No Filter With Zack Peter – Episode Summary

Episode: D4vd Hearing Day 2, Nancy Guthrie Ransom Note Revealed (FINALLY) & Housewives Predictions with Lori Altermann
Date: July 23, 2026
Host: Zack Peter
Guest: Lori Altermann

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Episode Overview

Zack welcomes Lori Altermann, host of Fan or Fanatic, for a lively breakdown of all things reality TV and pop culture. Together, they tackle the latest Real Housewives news and predictions, deep-dive into the shocking Nancy Guthrie disappearance case as a long-awaited ransom note is revealed, and discuss dramatic updates from the David (D4vd) true crime hearing. With loads of unfiltered commentary, witty banter, and signature hot takes, Zack and Lori serve up hilarity and hard truths on the wild world of unscripted TV and real-life scandal.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Housewives Franchises: News, Trailers & Predictions

[03:38–14:23]

• Real Housewives of New York (RHONY) Season 3 trailer drops: Lori is excited for Carol Radziwill's return, praising the authentic cast connection.
  • Lori: “She’s single and she doesn’t have kids. It makes her cool.” [05:10]
  • Nostalgia and authenticity was highlighted as a missing ingredient in newer franchises.
• Ultimate Girls Trip: Both will be watching, though Zack wishes Karen Huger was included over Giselle.
  • Zack: “Karen’s hating from the sidelines…”
  • Discussion of franchise dynamics and the schedule overlap with “Golden Life.”
• House of Stassi: Anticipation is high for the new show with Stassi and Christina Kelly, with Katie Maloney surprisingly looking compelling.
• Housewives fatigue & franchise ranking:
  • Lori admits she can’t watch Rhode Island or New Jersey, despite pushback.

2. Pop Culture & Food Tangents

[12:10–14:23]

• Fast food burger debate: Lori is into “smash burgers,” gives In-N-Out a 6/10.
  • Lori: “I don’t f. with In-N-Out… the burger. Six out of ten.” [13:47]
• TikTok trends mocked; dipping burgers in soda deemed “gross.”

3. Bethenny Frankel/Influencer Drama

[14:24–21:04]

• Bethenny Frankel is called out by the small business Candy Lace for failing to credit their jewelry (audio clip of Amanda plays).
  • Amanda: “I sent this stuff because she offered to help…and never did. She’s called it Gold House. She’s called it Bubble Bar…she goes out of her way to not say the Candy Lace in videos.” [16:08]
• Lori is scathing: “I think Bethenny sucks…I think she was great as a housewife. Hilarious. But… how much free shit can a really rich person who says she makes $200 million a year… and not give credit?” [17:38]
• Zack says modern TikTok Bethenny is “too much. It’s a bit obnoxious. It’s like chocolate…too much, you begin to hate chocolate.” [19:48]

4. Nancy Guthrie Disappearance & Ransom Note Revealed

[21:21–30:38]

• Case status: 173 days missing; FBI finally releases (or leaks via Crime Junkie podcast) the first ransom note.
  • Ransom note excerpt (read by Zack):
    “Hello Savannah. We have your mother. She is safe but scared… once payment is received to the bitcoin address, she will be released… If payment not received… she will be killed…” [23:56]
• Zack & Lori speculate on the “bizarre” nature of the note; Lori jokes about her love for ransom notes.
• Questions raised about Savannah’s role and response—“I just think the kidnapping felt staged to me...” [26:03]
• Theories swirl: possible family involvement, Netflix and Hulu documentary dreams, and suspicions over the family’s disengagement and media choices.

5. D4vd (David) True Crime Hearing: Dark Developments

[31:16–40:25]

• Case recap: David faces charges of first-degree murder, lewd acts, and mutilation of remains related to the murder of 13-year-old Celeste.
  • Host and guest detail courtroom lottery system for press entry; Zack jokes, “It’s like a Taylor Swift wedding game… Only more fun because you get to see a chopped up body in court.” [32:19]
• Prosecutors focus on David’s financial motives and secret relationship with victim; deeper speculation about David’s manager and mother potentially being involved.
• Details of evidence: body decomposition, air fresheners used to cover up, and identification via dental records.
  • Lori: ”When—not if—he’s found guilty…they should do exactly to him what he did to Celeste and livestream it.” [35:02]
• Audience theories: Parents may have been paid off or complicit.
  • Elizabeth (listener): “I think Celeste’s parents knew that they were dating, and he paid the parents to not say anything.” [36:11]
• Disgust at the lack of intervention and the system’s failure, as Lori says: “You are describing really bad parents.” [39:27]

6. Reality TV: Behind-the-Scenes, Casting & Scandals

[40:46–63:57]

• The Valley: General agreement that the cast is bloated and lacks authentic chemistry; discussion of who needs to be cut and who should stay.
  • Zack: “That show is really in the tank.” [52:11]
  • Lori: “I just, I don’t buy this cast.” [50:13]
• Recent cast drama:
  • The Jax Taylor/Lori K. affair scandal and Brittany’s reaction: “It’s just betrayal on another level.” [46:26]
  • Did Lori K. breach contract?
• Mommy Makeovers, side characters, and critiques on postpartum/mom-centric storylines overtaking the fun, escapist feel of classic reality TV.
• Best Reality TV moments: Stassi vs Kristen slap, and longing for the days when viewers “just let them be terrible and then we watched them be terrible.” [58:04]
• Ultimate “Villains” Show Fantasy Casts:
  Theorizing a show made up of reality TV’s most toxically entertaining personalities; crossover chaos desired.

7. Additional Housewives & Bravo Hot Takes

[59:27–64:43]

• Random Bravo & Bravocon notes: Why was Katie Janela at Bravocon? She’s accused of being “the biggest liar on Bravo.”
• Favorite/Least Favorite Housewives:
  Lori names Aviva Drescher as “iconic,” trashes Katie and Crystal as “boring liars.”
• Real Housewives of London is praised as currently “the best show on Bravo. Period.” [63:57]

8. Closing Banter

[67:11–69:41]

• Lighthearted debate on who is attractive or has “sexy vibes” on reality TV (Daniel, Craig Conover), favorite shows, and charmingly odd asides about kidnapping babies (jokingly) and fan subscription campaigns.
• Lori: “I still want to bang Craig Conover, and that’s not a popular thing to say.” [67:17]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On RHONY’s Carol:
  Lori, [05:10]: “She’s single and she doesn’t have kids. It makes her cool.”
• On Bethenny Frankel:
  Lori, [17:38]: “How much free shit can a really rich person…put all over her body and not give credit?”
• On Nancy Guthrie case:
  Zack, [26:03]: “I’ve always thought the kidnapping felt staged to me…a distraction to what really happened to Nancy.”
• On D4vd case details:
  Zack, [34:35]: “You’re not just transporting a 13-year-old girl and chopping her up and throwing her in your Tesla all by yourself, are you?”
• On reality TV escapism:
  Lori, [40:46]: “That is why I love the genre, why I think it is the most important, impactful, most brilliant genre, because it’s escape from that [true crime darkness].”
• On bloated reality casts:
  Zack, [52:11]: “If Benji’s the interesting part of the show, Benji and Zack, then that says that this show is really in the tank.”
• On Jax/Lori K. scandal:
  Lori, [46:26]: “It’s just betrayal on another level.”
• On modern reality TV:
  Zack, [58:04]: “That’s when reality TV was good. When we didn’t, like, hold them up to some moral status. We just let them be terrible and then we watched them be terrible.”

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Key Timestamps

• 03:38—RHONY & housewives reboot chat
• 07:36—Ultimate Girls Trip casting
• 14:24—Bethenny Frankel influencer controversy & Candy Lace audio
• 21:21—Nancy Guthrie missing, ransom note revealed
• 31:16—David (D4vd) murder hearing updates
• 40:46—Pivot back to reality TV: The Valley & cast critique
• 46:19—Jax Taylor/Lori K. bombshell
• 50:26—Reality TV: The need for a cast “overhaul”
• 63:57—Bravo’s Real Housewives of London praise
• 67:11—Craig Conover “sexy vibes” debate

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Final Thoughts

This episode delivers classic No Filter irreverence and insider reality TV analysis, mixing shocking true crime updates with frothy dish on Bravo’s latest. From dissecting the ethics of influencer culture and missing person media coverage, to gleefully plotting a fantasy “villains” all-star show, Zack and Lori keep listeners engaged with unfiltered opinions, spontaneous detours, and genuine love (and snark) for the genre’s best and worst. Perfect for reality TV junkies and those invested in true crime bombshells.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

It's day two of the David Burke hearing and things are getting more gruesome by the day. We have insiders in the courthouse. Well, it's officially day three but we're going to be recapping day two, which was yesterday as day three kicks off off right now in court here in downtown LA. Plus we finally have. It's only been 173 days, but we finally have Nancy Guthrie's ransom note. The first ransom note that the FBI still has not confirmed was even real. We're gonna go through that and we're gonna take some housewives predictions. I hope you're ready for it. I've got a very special guest on today. It's gonna be a good one. Let's get it. This is no Filter with Zack Peter your go to source for all the latest pop culture and real serve fresh all week long. Now let's dive in and dive in we shall. I went to lunch with a very special lady at the Ivy last week. Or maybe it was the week before. Time is a construct. Time does not exist. And I had a lovely time. So much fun that I know I've been on her podcast before but I was like, you need to come on no Filter because you are quite a hoot. You have so many unfiltered hot takes and I know that you are just gonna light up the live chat today. Please welcome on Lori Alterman. What's up, Lori?

[C]

What's up, Zach? Thank you for having me on this brilliant show.

[B]

I love having you on this brilliant show. How have you been since our date?

[C]

Just call it a date. It was a date.

[B]

Our date at the Ivy. Yeah, you were. You had the Ivy staff locked and loaded and ready bringing her the the coldest glass of of white wine only in the AC because it was hot as balls that day.

[C]

Yes, Mommy's in menopause. And I never volunteer to be in the heat. But my boy Zach, when I showed up to the Ivy, was outside just thriving. And I said, zach, I'll pay for lunch if we can go. The air conditioning.

[B]

I was like, but it's such a beautiful day out. But it was so hot. You know, it's one of those days where you're just like, it looks pretty, but also it's not pretty enough to sit in. It's pretty enough to look at from the windows in the ac.

[C]

Yes. And it's so pretty in the Ivy that that is where we sat and that is where we bonded, and that is where we talked. So much tea that maybe we'll spill on today's show. Maybe.

[B]

I'm sure we will. And you're. So you have a podcast. It's called Fan or fanatic, right? Yes, I've been on before. We spilled lots of tea then. So everyone needs to go and check it out because it is a fun one.

[D]

Thank you.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

So let's start with, I guess let's get into all the housewife stuff, and then we'll get into all the true crime stuff, because I know we were gabbing about true crime at lunch, too. But for starters, Real House as a New York trailer reboot, Season three trailer dropped. Carol Radsville is back. Thoughts? Will you be watching?

[C]

Not only will I be watching, I'll be holding my breath until it's on. I have some inside information that it's going to be fabulous. And they did not miss a beat with that trailer. It left me without breath.

[B]

It was actually, I mean, I don't know if the. If it's that the bar is so low after the last two seasons of this reboot and especially last season's trailer was so bad that our expectations just aren't as high as they normally would be. But I have to agree. I thought it was a good trailer,

[C]

and I, you know, I would argue that it's not just because it sucked last time. I think two things. We are hungry for some authentic organic casts, which you're not seeing on a lot of these Bravo shows. I don't buy the Valley. One of the many reasons is they don't know each other off camera, but this cast of the New New York Housewives, they have real history, real beef, and I just think it's gonna be great. And I love that Carol's back.

[B]

Really love it. That's a hot take. All of the New York Housewives, what makes Carol so special for you?

[C]

She's single and she doesn't have kids. It makes her cool.

[B]

Okay, but that doesn't make her a housewife.

[C]

It doesn't make her a housewife. But, Zach, you have to be honest. Not a lot of these women are housewives, especially in Salt Lake. And so I'd rather just have someone who is just living in her feet. And her feet are single right now. And she. She was married too soon.

[B]

Yeah, she was.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

She's a widow.

[C]

Okay, so she was married. She's got a really cool life. And I think that she's authentic. And there's just something about her that is so quintessential New York. I'm a big New York fan, and I just know that she was good TV the first time. And now an older Carol, who, in her words. And I think I feel the same way. She's only got five good summers left in her. I think her and I are the same age.

[B]

Well, didn't she say that previously?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Aren't her summers up by now?

[C]

Yes, but now it's really true. I mean, it really is. When you're looking at 60, how many summers you got left? I mean, Zach, not everybody has their whole life ahead of them like you, but me and I believe Carol and this show, I'm sure, took a few years off of her. The drama, it is something that really fun to do at her age. And why not? I love that she made up with Andy and she made up with Bravo. I just want our worlds to just stay tight.

[B]

Okay. I mean, listen, I don't think Carol is the great. I don't think Carol and Martha Stewart can save the show, but I think that these newbies definitely look like they're bringing some heat to this new season. So I'm. I'll. I'll. I don't know if I'll watch, but I'll. I'll. I'll wish them good luck.

[C]

And I would say, too, that it's getting brought up to her, the whole, you know, scandal or not scandal that she's in. She may have gone to some island with someone who people. So that does bring some heat.

[B]

I mean, that is true.

[C]

It's not.

[B]

I hope that. I hope they really ask her about it.

[C]

Oh, they really do.

[B]

Well, I'm ready for her to get into it because she's been dodging the questions for years.

[C]

Yeah, I don't think she could dodge no more.

[B]

Okay, so you will be watching New York. I wish you nothing but the best. Lori, bless your heart. Will you be Watching ultimate girls trip, roaring 20s.

[C]

Yes. I'm an addict.

[B]

I will be watching.

[C]

I'm an addict. I'm going to watch it all. There's only two shows I will not and cannot stomach, but I will be watching that. Yes.

[B]

I think it's to me that is. It's bringing in, like, the nostalgia, right? The. The big heavy hitters from each city. You have Vicky, you have Kyle, you have Teresa, you have Porsche, you have Giselle. Personally, I think Karen Huger would have been a better choice over Giselle. But obviously Karen, you know, can't seem to drive in a straight line these days. So understandably, after getting locked up, they're going to give her a little bit of a break. But, I mean, Giselle, you know, is living it. And, you know, Karen. Karen's hating from the sides. You know, all of the Salt Lake City cast is hating that Lisa Barlow got it.

[C]

There's a lot of fun things coming out of Salt Lake this week, but, yeah, I think that original cast is going to be a lot of fun. Again, they're all around my age. I love to see them having fun. It's a little bit depressing because I do miss the iconic beginnings of Real Housewives of all of their series. But I'm glad that they're having fun, and I'm glad it's on, I believe, the same night, September 8th. Am I right? Or maybe that was the trip. Maybe I'm thinking of the Golden Life. I'm getting them all confused because there's three seasons.

[B]

Golden Life is not until. Yeah, Golden Life's not until the fall, though. They just started picking up filming again because they got picked up for more episodes. And now the Marge is filming with them.

[C]

She is. I love them more so that I heard they're going to plan on doing the same time, same night as the Real Housewives of New York. And just like people say, they don't have a favorite child. Of course, they all do. I may have to go with my oldies that night because you can do the other one right after. It's not like it's 1972 and you got to pick your channel.

[B]

That's true. But people also don't really watch live anymore like they used to. A lot of times people watch next day on Peacock, so it's no. And that's.

[C]

And Dorinda saying it's not a competition.

[B]

You know what? Duranta needs to have a few more martinis and get messy. I need Slurrenda in the house to give me some. Some beef yeah, but I. The thing is, people don't watch live anymore. They watch Next day, but we don't even know how we're going to be able to watch. The Golden Life outside of E. Has to work out some sort of streaming deal, like at least Stassi's upcoming show House of Stasi, which premieres next week. That's going to air on Freeform, which I didn't even realize. People still watch Freeform, but it's going to be available next day on Hulu.

[C]

Yeah, I'm there for Stacy. I'm a big Stasi fan.

[B]

Stasi, Christina Kelly. I don't even care for Katie Maloney, but Katie looks good in this trailer. She looks like she's bringing some heat. Like, I'm actually. I never thought I would be excited to see Katie Maloney back on my television screen. Zachary.

[C]

Agreed. Zach. I would have paid not to. But it's a good time to be alive right now.

[D]

It is.

[B]

It is.

[C]

Other than some back pain, it's. It's great.

[B]

I think House of Stasi is going to be good. That's the one show that I'm looking forward to. Roaring 20s. I'm looking forward to New York. I'm not really looking forward to. Are you watching O.C. at all?

[C]

Oh, yeah. When I say I'm an addict, so an addict doesn't say, oh, I want to do a little of that and I want to smoke a little. I do it all except for two things. I cannot will not. Rhode island and New Jersey won't do it.

[B]

Oh, yeah. People loved Rhode Island. Rhode island, though.

[C]

I know I'm on an island of my own. I've been getting a lot of pushback, but I just. It doesn't do it for me.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Nope.

[B]

I mean, I didn't watch it either. I think I've just gotten housewives fatigue. I'm okay to do Roaring Twenties because it's like throwback. You know, it's a bunch of the. You know that it's going to be good with the cast that they have in place. Like, they brought all of the heavy hitters from each city. Although they did leave off Miami and D.C. and Dallas.

[C]

So.

[A]

What?

[B]

And I guess. No, the Rhode island ladies are on there too, right?

[C]

Are they?

[B]

I feel like they make a cameo on Roaring.

[C]

I think they do a cameo. I don't care about those other franchises. I think they got all the heavy hitters. Yes. I would have loved to see the Grand Dom on there. That would have been great. And we're gonna see as Countess calls her Sonya. And we're gonna see. Yeah. Sonia, who is such a hoot. And I. I just would say that it's fun in a world that is sometimes not so fun. It's just a fun junk food that we all. We all kind of love.

[B]

Yeah. It's McDonald's, Big Mac.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

With some fries.

[C]

God dang it. Do you ever put your fries into? I mean, do we still eat McDonald's in the.

[B]

I haven't had McDonald's in, like, I don't know, 15 years. But what I saw, there's a girl on TikTok and she dips her burgers into her soda. It's wild. She, like, orders a soda and then she gets different, like the Big Mac and the different burgers from McDonald's, and she'll dip it into the soda and then eat it like that. It's so bizarre.

[C]

Is that legal?

[B]

It's gross.

[C]

Oh, gosh. Oh, okay. Well, I'm happy for her. But if I did find myself around a delicious fast food hamburger, I'd be dipping it. Maybe I like, like the orange or sauce. The aioli sauce. Like, I would maybe dip, and I like to dip. But to dip it into your soda. You. Are you okay? Is what I would ask her.

[B]

No. No, she's not okay. What is your burger of choice? Your fast food burger of choice?

[C]

So, I mean, I don't know that I necessarily have a fast food burger of choice, but I'm into these smash burgers. And I. I. It doesn't have to be from Smashburger, but when they take a hamburger and they literally smash it, there's something about it that is kind of crunchy. And that's. That's something I like lately. I like a smash burger.

[B]

A smash burger. I like a smash.

[C]

I do.

[B]

Do you like an In N Out burger?

[C]

So here's the thing. I don't. I don't f. With In n Out. I like the sauce. I like the fries. But the burger. Six out of ten.

[B]

Oh, In n Out is the best.

[C]

It's not.

[B]

I love In N Out. I mean, I don't eat it. I act like I eat. I don't even eat fast food often. But of my choices, in and out is definitely like.

[C]

Well, I actually just had it last week because we were having it, and it's a fine burger. It's nothing to talk about. But that sauce, like, I'm a sauce girl. I'm saucy.

[B]

I do love sauce.

[C]

Yeah, sauce.

[B]

You are very saucy. You know who else is Saucy Stassy, Bethany Frank, Bethenny Frankel. So Bethany is being called out yet again for not crediting a brand yet again. Here, let's.

[C]

Shocking.

[B]

Shocking. I know. And I don't know if this girl's being too dramatic or what the case is, but this girl, Candy Lace, or I guess that's her business is it's Candy Lace. I guess she sent Bethany some of her pieces and Bethany has worn some of her pieces on numerous occasions and, and she miscredits the brand and she calls it Gold hoss. She calls it everything except the Candy Lace jewelry brand that it actually is. And so the woman from Candy Lace, Amanda, she showed that she's. She was in contact with Bethenny Frankel's team and they agreed. They said thank you so much for your note because she had referenced that Bethany miss, labeled the brand and they said thank you so much. Would love to feature your Etsy shop on our socials. Are there any other pieces you'd like Bethany to wear? She loves your pieces and we love your support and we'd love to support women owned businesses whenever we can. So she sent them some more pieces and now here we are, fast forward and it looks like they never ended up shouting her out and if anything they're shouting out other brands and now this girl feels like it's intentional. So here's what she had to say.

[D]

I'm sitting at home alone because I own a one woman business. I have no peers. It is just me. I am losing my fucking mind.

[C]

Wow.

[D]

I don't know where to start. This is all happening in very real time. I am posting everything now because I haven't said shit for three months and now I'm going to say it all. I'm going to mention it all. Are you kidding? I sent this stuff because she offered to help and post about it and never did. And the only like real success I've had is because I took it upon myself to make the most of what I got by having these images and videos that never credited me after saying that she would. She's called it Gold House. She's called it Bubble Bar, who she has a financial partnership with and she goes out of her way to not say the Candy Lace in videos. I'm sitting at home alone because I own a one woman business. I have no peers. It is just me. I am losing my fucking mind. I don't know where to start. This is all happening in very real time.

[B]

So yeah, I mean, and these are Bethany's videos where she's literally showing herself wearing the different jewelry, wearing the different pieces and she's naming everything. And this woman Amanda says that she one feels like it's deliberate because she's mis naming the brand. Do you think Bethany's doing this intentionally or do you think this is Bethany just not giving a shit?

[C]

I think it's both. I think Bethany sucks. I think she was great as a housewife. Hilarious. I think candy lace is a great name for me. If I ever am a stripper gonna take that from them. And I'll always be mentioning it. They are looking for almost 60 year old women to jump down a pole and fully clothed and sweat her, her, her stuff looks great. And I think Bethany, how much free shit, how much can a really rich person who says she makes $200 million a year as an influencer put all over her body and not give credit? I don't understand. I get, let's just say I get a lipstick sent to me. I'm happy. I, I go on and I think, and I hope that people see it and I hope if I'm ever so big that I don't care that I pretend to care. So do I think Bethany is doing it intentionally? Do I think she's doing because she doesn't give a. I think both.

[B]

I, I don't know if she's doing it intentionally and not that I'm trying to defend Bethany but like Bethany is somebody that gets gifted so much product and I just think she doesn't care. I think it's really, I mean, I don't even know if that's better or worse that she champions herself on like being somebody that wants to support small businesses and women owned businesses and yet she just doesn't care to go out of her way to really highlight these other businesses in a way that deserve. Right.

[C]

I just think there's something so unelegant about a woman like her at her age, with all of her means that she has to have this much PR in her life. It just speaks volumes. I, I, you know, between the chicken salad and then one day she'll say, you know, my, my hands hurt. And then she'll magically get some collaboration with a brand new cream that helps the muscle. I just, it's too loved funny Bethany. I loved Bravo Bethany. And maybe part of that is because she was young and hungry and now she's just full of herself.

[B]

Yeah, I don't love this. I don't love TikTok Bethany. She's just kind of like it's too much It's a bit obnoxious. It's like chocolate. You love chocolate. You can eat a little bit of chocolate, but, like, if you just eat chocolate all day, every day, it's too much. It's too heavy. And you're just like, oh, you begin to hate chocolate. And like, Bethany was such a good housewife.

[C]

Great. Like, great.

[B]

Now TikTok Bethany. And like, she goes, and I'm guilty of this too, of going on the. You get hyper fixated on a topic, and then you make multiple pieces of content, but she does it ad nauseam. Like when she was doing Chanel, like, she just made videos upon videos upon videos for days and days and days until it was like, okay, like, you've made 15 videos about Chanel. I get it. They rejected you at the store. But, like, it's not that deep.

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[C]

Yeah, she doesn't have that nice balance, and I don't think she ever will. And by the way, Bethany don't give an F what you and me think. She doing just fine.

[B]

Yeah, true, dad. You know who's not doing fine, though?

[C]

Who? Zach.

[B]

Nancy got three. She's still missing. 173 days later where's the lady? Lori, where is the lady?

[C]

Hang on.

[D]

All right.

[B]

Is she in your.

[C]

Well, I'll tell you, that's more. More than they've been looking. I saw recently they put out. I love the headlines. These Breaking hill. They're gonna now search all the desert. They're gonna.

[B]

It's only been 173 days.

[C]

No search. You know, I lost my glasses earlier. And the effort I put in and the anger and the emotion that went into it is way more. It's way more.

[D]

It's.

[C]

It's. It's so sad.

[B]

Well, we finally now have the first ransom note. They were keeping all the details away from the public for the longest time, even though they wanted the public to help them solve this crime. And now they have officially released or. Well, I don't know. If it. I think this was. It wasn't even released. It was like leaked. Yeah. On the Crime Junkie podcast. Which is crazy that they still didn't even, like, think that any of this information would have been helpful from the beginning because we've all been wanting to solve this crime, wanting answers to find out what happened to Nancy Guthrie and her family has just been completely disengaged. But. So here is the letter, which is very bizarre. So according to. Her name is Brianna Whitney. She hosts the. The Crime Junkie podcast. And so she somehow became. She got access to the first ransom note. And this is what the note read. Hello, Savannah. We have your mother. She is safe but scared. She will be held for ransom. And once payment is received, she will be released unharmed. We will be holding her for a maximum of seven days. Once payment is received to the bitcoin address, she will be released within 12 hours of deposit to a safe drop off location back in Tucson. If payment is not received by the last deadline on Monday, Monday the 9th at 5pm she will be killed. Your mother is aware of this and her life is in your hands. It is. It is in the best interest of everyone to have this completed as soon as possible. You will not be able to contact me from here on out. There will be no negotiations. Do not play games. Law enforcement will not be able to

[C]

help you and who they sign. Sign. Is there a name?

[B]

No, there's no sign.

[C]

You know what?

[B]

There is no name.

[C]

There's a date, and it's 2017.

[B]

It's crazy. And so we know that they were asking for. The original asking was $4 million in Bitcoin that was due by Thursday, February 5th, and then 6 million by Monday, February 9th. I mean, what.

[C]

I mean, I love a ransom note, by the way. I love a ransom note. I only wish that someone wanted to take me and put a note out. But I don't understand. I never understood the TMZ of all of it. And that went to tmz, right? Like, why didn't they send it to you, Zach?

[B]

I don't know. I was more engaged than. Well, I mean, TMZ was pretty involved. Sheriff Harvey over at TMZ was ready with. With, you know, we've got mail, we've got another letter. Every time his inbox blew up, he was ready to share it with the world.

[C]

Good for them, Good for tmz.

[B]

But like, how if this were you, if you were in Savannah's position, Your mother goes missing, you get this note. What do you do? Do you pay

[C]

Well, I, what I, what I first do is I work with agencies and professionals who, who know what they're doing. And I do exactly what I got feeling want to do and what they tell me, if I like my mom, which I did. I did. I loved her. She's no longer with us, but I do know where she is. I know where she is.

[B]

Well, that's more promising than Savannah. And so now we don't know. Maybe Savannah does know where her mother is.

[C]

We kind of think that's the conspiracy, don't we?

[B]

I don't think she doesn't not know where her mother is.

[C]

Right. Hey, Netflix, can you get on this?

[B]

I'm waiting for a call from Netflix, from Hulu. I'm waiting for my documentary. I'm waiting for my close up. It's just crazy. Like, the note is wild. And apparently they gave specific details about a broken. A broken headlight out in the back. And they also claimed that she had a white apple watch that was left near the bed. I don't know. I've always thought that the kidnapping felt staged to me, that the kidnapping wasn't real. And it was always some distraction to what really happened to Nancy. And like after getting the letter and now reading some of the details in the letter, it kind of feels like I'm not sure why they didn't pay the letter. Like, why not pay the ransom if one, you could afford it? Two, you know the price is going up. Three, you know your mom's elderly and can't stay alive for too long. Like, you know that time is of the essence, so why not just should we pay it? Unless you already knew.

[C]

Should we get Savannah on here right now? Do you have her number? And just like the. Right this minute, put her on this show and be like, why didn't you pay?

[B]

I would love listen. She gave her exclusive to Hoda Copy. And that's the one question Hoda should have asked her. And Hoda suddenly had a lobotomy and didn't know what to how to conduct an interview. All of a sudden, she didn't ask a single follow up question. It was the weakest, most softball interview that gave zero answers, that totally exploited the story for ratings. They broke it up into three parts over the course of two days. And it was wild.

[C]

It was worse than the Summer House reunion. And that says the one that leaked was the ransom. No, this one would ask everybody who's listening, because in my head back in the day, the ransom note, you would, we would have magazines. Does anyone know what a Magazine is. And they would cut out letters from it so that you could never trace it back. Is it one of those? Or is it just in some handwritten. I want to see the original. Do you have the original? You have a magazine? That's one of the reasons I love you.

[B]

I'm going to cut it up and then put all the letters together so that you can. I can send you a ransom note.

[C]

Will you really? No. You don't want to send it to me, Send it to my husband. He won't. He won't do it.

[B]

My kids gen tells all.

[C]

Yeah, I love magazines still.

[B]

This is a very thin magazine though. What did I. Where did. Why do I have a magazine?

[C]

To kill flies, I guess. To kill flies. But no, I don't think Nancy made it past her bed. Right. I think there's. There was no Nancy alive. There was. Absolutely. I just. I agree with you. It wasn't a kidnapping for money. It wasn't. I'll go on the stand.

[B]

No, if you're gonna go for an old lady. If you're gonna. First of all, you don't take old ladies. Like old ladies and babies. Too much of a liability, too much work to keep them alive. Right. And also an old lady is even harder to transport than a baby. At least a baby you can carry and hide somewhere. But like a whole ass lady. What are you gonna do with the whole ass lady? How do you. And she can't even move very fast, so it's not like you can have move her quickly from one place to the other.

[C]

Who do you think is the perfect age and person to kidnap

[B]

teenage girl. Girl in her 20s, which is usually the ones that they like kidnap for, like trafficking.

[C]

And Nancy, I got a feeling, is just somebody who trusted and didn't live in fear. And we learned that her back. I love when someone's back door is open because there's never been a crime here in 100 years. You know, I would have hired guardsmen around my house if I could, but the back door. See, that's weird to me, Zach.

[B]

The back door being open.

[C]

Yeah, it's weird.

[B]

Well, the back door was open, but yet the front door camera ring is what they were trying to hide. And like, they apparently took her out the front door. But then why leave the back doors open? Like, it just was all so strange to me, everything about it.

[C]

Do you think that Nancy will be a word on Wordle? Mm, okay, fair enough.

[B]

I think we're definitely gonna get some clues. How is she gonna do Wordle? How many Words can you do wordle with like there are only so many. How's it seven letter words in the world?

[C]

I. I wish Savannah nothing but the best.

[B]

I mean, she's living her best life. Kind of good for her. Be sure to watch wordle on NBC. In other true crime news, we also have. Are you following this David case with the singer songwriter? David?

[C]

I mean, look at me just thinking about it. He's not nice, Zach.

[B]

Crazy, crazy, crazy. So he has his preliminary hearing that's going on right now. I believe we're in. We're on day three of this hearing and it's not looking good for him. So not. Not a ton of new stuff came out of day two. Day one was the biggest kind of chunk of meat that we got so far.

[C]

Too soon.

[B]

Poor. Poor choice of words.

[A]

But.

[B]

So Brian Enten, everyone keeps asking if I. Guys, I. Brian Enten is in Los Angeles. He is in. He's at the courthouse here in downtown. We have not had lunch yet, but I promise when I go out with Brian, I will give you guys all the details. But he has been reporting. It's so weird. So he and a bunch of other friends that I have that are at the courthouse that have been covering this. I guess they have some sort of lottery system in order to get into the courthouse. So they pick 10 people to get to go into the courthouse and they give out raffle tickets.

[C]

Jesus.

[B]

Okay, so everybody gets a raffle ticket, then they do a drawing and whoever's 10 raffle tickets get pulled are the ones that get allowed into the courtroom. It's so bizarre. It's like a Taylor Swift wedding game.

[C]

Only more fun.

[B]

Only more fun because you get to see a chopped up body in court.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So he's currently being charged with first degree murder with special circumstances, lewd acts with a 13 year old and the mutilation of human remains. Facing life, life, parole in prison. No decision yet on the death penalty. We went deep into how the death penalty works here in California, which is basically non existent. But so he is back in court. There were more photos that were shown, not just of Celeste, but also of just the. The appearance of the car. So there was a lot more testimony from his manager. They seem to really be focused on. And it seems like the prosecution's trying to say that it was the money and the career that were his motive. He needed to get rid of Celeste because she was, according to them and their theory, she was going to out the fact that they were in a relationship. She was way under. He's 21. She would have been 15 by now. So at the time he was like 20 and she was 14. That they had been dating, but he had been in her life since she was at least, I want to say 11 is the earliest we've seen or we've heard so far. And so they're trying to say that it was the money and the career that was very lucrative. That was his means in his MO Or. Yeah, that provided the means and gave him a motive to get rid of Celeste. But the interesting thing is is his manager keeps saying that it was actually the mom that was the. The main person that was in charge of his finances. So I wonder how much the mom was aware of any of this. Celeste, the relationship, her disappearance, how much was the manager involved in any of this? Like what did they know if they were really the ones managing the money, were they also the ones trying to help David cover this up? Because I would imagine he wasn't able to do this all on his own. You're not just transporting a 13 year old girl and chopping her up and throwing her in your Tesla all by yourself, are you?

[C]

No, I'm not.

[B]

I mean, and then they said that they also there were multiple air fresheners in the car as well, I guess to try and conceal that the body was decomposing back there. But at this point, not only was the body decomposing, but there were maggots everywhere. They said that her face had skin slippage, so they couldn't even identify her based off of her appearance. They had to identify her based off of her dental records. It was crazy.

[C]

So I maintain that when not if he's found guilty that they don't give him you're not death penalty in California. They do exactly to him what he did to Celeste and livestream it.

[B]

Yeah, well, we don't even know what he did to her yet because they can't figure out what happened to the body outside of the mutilation afterwards.

[C]

Well, so it wasn't good. And.

[B]

And it clearly wasn't good.

[C]

He doesn't need a trial. I know he's guilty. I just know it.

[B]

I mean, he looks pretty guilty. But now I have serious questions about the mom.

[C]

I do too.

[B]

And about the manager. Because if they really the ones that were running the business, then they also have a motive to get rid of Celeste.

[C]

Chop them all up. Chop them all up. This to. To.

[B]

Well, they're trying to find him.

[C]

You have a child. Your child. It is just. Listen, I don't like kids, but I Have two daughters, and your gut instinct, if you're human, is to always protect them. So chop them all up. And I know that managers can be tough. I do know that. And you can't trust him. But this is another level.

[B]

Elizabeth says, I think Celeste's parents knew that they were dating, and he paid the parents to not say anything.

[C]

Elizabeth, you're brilliant. Because I was thinking that, too.

[B]

I'm not saying that you're off, Elizabeth. But that does kind of make sense when you factor in one, how was this girl dating this guy, this older dude, for this long, this amount of time, number one. Number two, when she first went missing, authorities went to David's home. Why would they think to go to his home if she's just missing at this point? Not at that point. They hadn't suspected that anything had happened to her other than she was physically just gone. So I would think they thought maybe she ran away. Police officers came and questioned David the month that she went missing. Why would they come and question him if somebody didn't direct them in his direction? Right. And then we found out in court this week that right after the Tesla was found and that there was a body that was discovered in the Tesla, the dad is the one that called into authorities and said that he believed that the body may have belonged to his daughter. So clearly he knew that his daughter had some sort of connection to David. And there are two instances. The police showing up when right after she went missing, and then the father calling in and assuming that this body belonged to his daughter, because at that point, they didn't know who the body belonged to. So it's. The family had to have known that there was something going on with this guy David. I don't know if he was paying them. I don't know if they were benefiting from him in some way. But that's interesting.

[C]

Listen, right when I think the world has no hope, I just wake up. Every day you wake up to stories like this, and it just. Crazy people suck. Zach?

[B]

Yeah. Elizabeth says that he paid somebody at the high school $1,000 to give her a phone when her parents took. Took her phone away from her. So people knew that there was this relationship was going on. He tried to downplay it initially by saying, oh, I've only met her one time. Other than that, we just chatted online. But she told me that she was 18. You can tell when a girl is 11 and when she's 18. There's a vast difference between 11 and 18. 16 and 18. Okay, fine, 15 and 17. Okay, fine. 11 and 18 is way too big of a gap.

[C]

You're saying that David, who did this heinous crime also is a liar. Now I'm pissed. Now I'm pissed.

[B]

So we'll see what happens. Basically everyone knew she was a minor and nobody did anything. Yeah, I mean, because here's the other thing. The argument that people can make is that, well, technically he was also underage when they first started dating. They're six years apart. So even if she's 11, he's what, 16, 17? Still too old. Still too much of an age gap. You still should not be allowing your 1112 year old daughter to be with the 16, 17, 18 year old boy. Like that age gap is way too big.

[C]

You are describing really bad parents.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know how she was able to get away with this and why. They thought when she went missing the fir. Their first thought was to go hit up this guy David. And then for a whole year they still didn't know where what happened to her. And the cops just kind of left it at like, well, we don't know what happened to her. He doesn't seem to know what happened to her. He says that he didn't have much communication with her, which I wonder when, if she was already. So if she went missing in April, I wonder if she was alive at the time that they questioned.

[C]

Right.

[B]

She might have been because we don't know how long she had been in the trunk. We don't know when she had died. I mean, the decomposition makes it seem like she'd been there for a while.

[C]

Yeah. Oh my God. Just. They'll figure this out before they find Nancy though. That, that you can go to bed

[B]

tonight feeling good about Nancy is never going to be cracked. That case is, is cold. Cold, cold it is. We are in Antarctica.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

We are at the North Pole.

[C]

We are, we are.

[B]

Oh, so much fun. True crime, missing old ladies and chopped up girls. What a. What an adorable.

[C]

Can we talk about reality TV instead? See, that is why I love the genre, why I think it is the most important, impactful, most brilliant genre, because it's escape from that.

[B]

Did you see that? Kristen is finally admitting that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Danny, Daniel, problem on the Vanning. Daniel, Daniel, let's go. She was defending them and writing for them. And she's like, oh, I didn't see these, these pieces of footage until recently. And she's like, yeah, I can't defend his behavior. Do you envision Daniel and Nia going the distance?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

They still, they still seem to Be posting on Instagram and being one big happy family. You think they're gonna last?

[C]

Yes, I do. Period.

[B]

Because you want them to last.

[C]

No, I don't care about them. But I do think they're gonna last. But you didn't mention, Zach, that this week is a big week for Daniel. Six years.

[B]

Oh, six years. Porn free. What is this obsession with porn? Like, I don't understand why people are so obsessed with porn.

[C]

And, like, are you asking me, do you?

[B]

I mean, that was more of a rhetorical question I was putting out into the universe. But like. And then.

[C]

And he has the most gorgeous wife.

[B]

Well, but he said he doesn't need porn because they film videos that he watches of them.

[C]

I make me like him less. Zach make me like him less.

[B]

You know, I. I would pay only fans money to see one of those videos of the two of them.

[C]

I would pay only fans money not to see it.

[B]

But they're both very attractive. No.

[C]

Okay. Hi. No, Daniel is not attractive.

[B]

You don't think Daniel's cute?

[C]

No. Does anyone? Hello, everybody out there. Does anyone in the world think that Daniel's cute?

[B]

I think Daniel's a cutie patootie.

[C]

Okay, you know what? I'm not judging you. I have my own weird feelings about people on reality TV that aren't popular. I'm just gonna sit here and kind of squirm.

[B]

You don't think he's. Who do you think is the most attractive person on the Valley?

[C]

Oh, boy. Oh, my God. Michelle.

[B]

Jesse Lally. Really?

[C]

I am interviewing Lacey tomorrow, who has

[B]

become, I love Lacey, a fan favorite.

[C]

And I have become, dare I say, friendly with her. And she's pretty great.

[B]

I adore Lacey. I love Lacey.

[C]

It's pretty great.

[B]

Every time I see her, it's. She's such a hoot.

[C]

She is a hoot. And so I guess. I don't know. I think Michelle's very pretty. I think Janet's pretty. You notice I'm not saying.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

He's a hobbit. Thank you, Tina. Thank you indeed. He's a hobbit. Or as my girl Lala says, he's a little Polly Pocket.

[B]

Is he that short?

[C]

He's just awful. But. But, But I guess he's your type.

[B]

That is just my type.

[C]

Okay, fine.

[B]

Five, nine.

[C]

That's fine. That's fine. That's fine.

[B]

Problematic. Yeah. I love a good problematic.

[C]

I don't mind that. I don't mind a disturbed, messed up person. But he's not that. He is just. But I'm not judging he was so handsome in the beginning. And then he speaks. Yeah, it's. It's been a. It's been a tough here. If you. I guess I can't do an MFK with you because you like him. I was going to give you Jax. Dr. Dre. Ken Todd, Lisa's husband.

[B]

Oh, God. Fuck. Jax. Mary Ken.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely.

[B]

Kill Dre. Yeah. Because I mean, you always want to marry the one that has the most money. And Dre has money, but Ken also has money. And Ken's also. I don't know. I feel like Ken doesn't need a lot of maintenance. Like you just give him a hand job every couple of weeks and he's good though.

[C]

Do old people give hands ups?

[B]

I would think so.

[C]

What? Wait, you know, we could talk about. Is this Jackson? Lori K.

[B]

Are you shocked? Because Kristen actually talked about that on Watch what Happens Live last night where she was saying that she defended her and her and Zach Wickham always defended Lori K. They didn't think Lori would ever do that to. To Britney. I mean, the signs were kind of there. I wasn't surprised by this.

[C]

Like, should we fill in the beautiful people who don't know this? You know, living under a rock?

[B]

Yes. Well, I covered the story when the photos first came out. Was Lori with. With Lori Kay, who's the publicist to Brittany Cartwright and Jax Taylor. They were spotted to canoodling together over the weekend. And Jax's birthday, birth. I think they took like a birthday trip. And there had been rumors that Lori Kay and Jax were having a thing. They had always denied the rumors. Brittany had always dismissed the rumors because that was her husband. And Lori Kay would never do that to her. And now here we are, they're fresh off of their separation. I believe they're still technically married. And Lori K. Is all up on Jax Taylor.

[C]

It's just betrayal on another level.

[B]

It's crazy.

[C]

I mean, that's. First of all, it's higher staff. It's someone that knows you more intimately than anybody. It's your publicist.

[B]

That's what Kristen said is like this woman knows all of the details, all of the dirty details about their relationship, about what Jax has done. She's buried all of the bodies for them. Like when you know the truth about Jax Taylor and yet you're still willing to hop in bed with Jack Taylor. Or does this say that maybe Britney is also a big part of the problem? If Lori K. Has no problem just kind of throwing her under the bus like that?

[C]

Zach, we have known Jax Taylor forever.

[B]

And I'm not saying that Jax is not.

[C]

Britney's annoying as f. I don't think she's good tv. I don't care. But I would say. I wouldn't f Jacks Taylor with someone else's vagina. Just saying. And so I don't think. I think that there's something wrong with Lori. K you. No one in the world, I would think, would have sex with Jax, especially knowing the human that he is. Awful.

[B]

Diabolical.

[C]

Diabolical. And.

[B]

But do you think he's missed on the show?

[C]

No, absolutely not.

[B]

I feel like the show is lacking a little something.

[C]

It is lacking a little something. But that is.

[B]

I think. Listen, I think his bunions could bring some heat to the show. He definitely kept the boat rocking if he came back.

[C]

Of course, because it's a thing. But, no, I'm not. I don't know they're gonna get renewed. I'm not so sure. I bet he messes with dudes on this. Oh, yeah. He's just. There's nothing he won't, you know, have fun with.

[B]

Look at.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Is needed back on the Valley.

[C]

It's that dry in the Valley? It is that dry.

[B]

Well, because none of them like each other, and it's kind of obvious that they don't like each other. It's kind of obvious that they want nothing to do with each other. And so lala's trying.

[C]

She is trying.

[B]

Lala's the only one trying to keep this show moving forward.

[C]

She is, but she has a bunch of amateurs around her, so no one's. She's playing on a team, and she's the only one on it. I love. I love me some.

[B]

She's varsity, and they put her on the newbie team.

[C]

Right.

[B]

She can't carry them all. Kristen Doty, too. I think you have two stars like Kristen and Lala who whether. And I know people love them or hate them, but they know how to drive reality TV storylines. They know how to give memorable moments, but they have such a weak cast. First of all, they have a giant cast, and the giant cast can't even hold anything together to keep the show alive, and it's just circling the drain. Lacy's the only one that I think has been a breath of fresh air this season. I think Michelle may have had a better hero arc if there weren't so many people on the cast, because then everybody's all fighting about different things. And, like, Danny still remains. I know I got ripped apart on threads because I said Danny's been Carrying the show on his back for the last two seasons and I stand by that. Yeah, actually he has been the center of the drama unwittingly. But they've all been coming after him for his drinking, for his behavior, for him being inappropriate or whatever the case may be. But like he and Janet are the only two that have kept the show going or have been the thing that people have talked about. Lala's been trying to drive the ship but like I just think the cast overall is not, not solid, it's not organic.

[C]

I don't believe that Zach is friends with Brittany off. I just, I don't buy, if I can't buy into it then I, you know, they, I have add. I just, I check out and I don't buy this cast.

[B]

I can be done with Janet and Jason. I can be done with Nia and Danny. I can be done with Jasmine. I find Jasmine so annoying. I don't need to see any more. Were you not captivated by Britney's mommy makeover?

[C]

I don't need to see Zach and his headpiece.

[B]

No.

[C]

Did you see. I don't know if you're or his 90 day fiance but last was it last night? You know, it's a little later here where I am on the east coast, so I've seen. I know things you don't know. Zach is the sit down with Lala and Kristen regarding what Michelle, not Michelle. What Janet's been through to make her the way she is. And that was a good scene. It wasn't enough to really carry the show, but it was two veterans of reality TV having a pretty, pretty interesting conversation.

[B]

Yeah. See and that's the thing is you have these moments because like there was also that good scene between Jesse and oh yeah, Michelle where you know, she's crying and she's just like, I look at the way you treat Lacy and I wish you would have treated me like that was such a real moment. But the thing is you have so many different side piece storylines that are not relevant to the overall theme of the season number one. And you have so much dead weight and so many side characters and that's like, you know, it's a mess.

[C]

It's a mess.

[B]

Fear Queen says at least Benji spoke more than 10 words on the last episode. People are like, benji and Zach are saving the show. And I'm like, has Benji spoken? Like, in what world is Benji the interest? If Benji's the interesting part of the show, Benji and Zach, then that says that this show is really in the tank.

[C]

What do you think they should do?

[B]

I think they need a gut majority of the cast.

[C]

Who would you like to see in the Valley?

[B]

Hold on. Let's see who's even still. Who's on the Valley currently? Okay. We have Lala Schwartz. I don't think we need Schwartz. I don't think Schwartz brings anything interesting to the show.

[C]

No. I was so excited for him to be on it too. Just because he's like, you know, Schwartzy, but.

[B]

But he doesn't even get to be Schwartz because there are so many people. Okay, so there's Lala Schwartz, Jesse, Luke, Kristen, Jasmine, Brittany, Zach, Michelle, Danny, Nia, Jason, and Janet. That's 13 cast members. That's insane. And the show still fucking sucks. I think we can get rid of. I mean, even though I do love Nia and Danny, I think it's time for them to move on. I definitely. Well, I. I'm tired of Jason, Janet. I just feel like pushes the show forward in a way. I don't know.

[C]

I agree with everything you're saying, except for, like, Daniel being hot.

[B]

He's a cutie.

[C]

I'm gonna let you have. I totally understand.

[B]

Arms.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And he carries babies. I don't know. I mean, I feel like they're all kind of related. I. I think. I don't think we get rid of Dodie or Lala. I think we definitely get r. Quartzy. We definitely get rid of Danny and Nia. I. I don't want Jasmine, and I

[C]

don't even know the wife's name because it's.

[B]

Nobody cares. It's literally her wedding season and nobody cares.

[C]

I would like to see Jesse and, And Lacey and Michelle and Dr. Dre on there.

[B]

Yes. I think keep Jesse, Keep Michelle. I mean, maybe. I don't know. Should we keep Britney? I feel like she's kind of the anchor of the show.

[C]

No, no, please, no.

[B]

But she just had a mommy makeover that I don't know what we made over, but she's there.

[C]

But what I'm saying is we could bring in some other players.

[B]

Yeah, I think we can swap Britney out. Like, I don't need her to see her shitting in a diaper anymore. Like, I'm over.

[C]

I'm done. I'm done with the postpartum. I'm done with the. And that's why I'm freaked out about in the city, because everyone's coming back pregnant next season. I, I listen, I don't watch. Like I said, I watch reality TV to escape the real world. I don't want to see all that I am a true Vanderpump Rules. Original Housewives. And none of them were knocked up complaining.

[B]

No. Even when they were pregnant. Like, remember Teresa? Oh, you never watched Jersey.

[C]

Oh, I did. I watched it enough to know I can't stand it.

[B]

Teresa and Jacqueline, like, they still brought.

[C]

They were.

[B]

They were pregnant and they still, they didn't even need alcohol to activate them. They still brought the heat. Even Lindsay, when Lindsay was pregnant. Right. She was on Summer House and she still brought the heat. Like there was no.

[C]

I was surprised by that. But she did.

[B]

I thought that pregnancy and the baby were gonna change her a lot more than they did. And she, she held it down.

[C]

I'll give her that. She did. She actually did. But. Ah, yeah. The. The Valley needs an overhaul. I don't know that's going to get renewed. I know cameras are back up now because of this Jack's Lori K scandal. And they're getting all the reactions, but we know what the reactions are.

[B]

Yeah. Is that really going to be enough to save the show? Like that's how you know they're desperate for content if they're picking cameras back up to catch something that was so Drax isn't even on the show.

[C]

I know. You know, it's sad.

[B]

I think they will.

[C]

Jack Taylor and Lori K and Weston, Amanda go on a vacation together.

[B]

That's what they should do. Like an ultimate stars trip. Like ultimate girls trip and take Tom Sandoval and the ex villains. Well, I don't know. I don't even think the X is still around. Right? The X.

[C]

You don't think he got rid of her permanently? We can, we can fix that. For trust.

[B]

Yeah, we can get around that.

[C]

We can get around that. That's the show I want to watch.

[B]

Sandoval and Victoria, Anne of all.

[C]

Victoria, Lori Kay and Jax west and Amanda.

[B]

West and Amanda. Who else?

[C]

Let's go through. I mean there's some great. I mean you could even. It could eat. You could even bring Phaedra and Apollo on there. Just all wrong.

[B]

Austin and Madison.

[C]

Madison. No, no. Because they get along. No, they love each other.

[B]

But they're such good reality stars. Like if you're doing these toxic relations, they were toxic together, but they're such good reality. You put them on that island and they would probably be an alliance to call out all the others. But it would be great. Yeah. We need an ultimate. We need an ultimate reality villains show. E tried to do it with House of Villains. I kind of like House of Villains was. Was fine. For its first couple of seasons, and then it just kind of like fell off and it just wasn't as interesting.

[C]

I don't know. I think it's interesting.

[D]

I think.

[C]

I think there needs to be a different lane on reality TV now. Like a brand new, disturbing, worthy genre to the genre. And I think it could be that. By the way, everyone, listen. I'm done with Westicle and Amanda until I'm not. And if you had a camera on them, I. I'm not gonna lie to the people I'll be watching. And so if you put them with a few other. And even I. I can't stand Jax, but that's a train wreck. How do you look away?

[B]

Crazy, right? But that's when, like, reality TV was good. When we didn't, like, hold them up to some moral status. We just let them be terrible and then we watched them be terrible. Like, I was re. Watching the Stassi vs Kristen slap when Kristen banged Jax. Like, that was peak reality tv.

[C]

If you had to go cross country in an uncomfortable, low to the ground convertible. Jackson Lori K. Weston, Amanda. Which couple?

[B]

I'm gonna have to say Jackson Lori Kay. Only because west and Amanda, I feel like, have no personality. Like, they're like, Amanda's such a wet blanket. She's such a fun sucker, and west is kind of dumb. That at least Jackson Lori, I feel like, would keep things exciting. I would really want to go. Sandoval and Victoria is who I would really want.

[C]

No, no, I don't want to get in. We were both at Bravocon and we were both at that hotel, and we were both. I'm not sure if you were in the lobby that night. They. They're dangerous.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

They're dangerous.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I meant to ask you. This is why I'm so confused today. So Katie Maloney. No, Janelle. How do you say her last name?

[B]

Oh, Katie. Janela.

[C]

Why was she. I saw her at this Bravo con. Why was she there? She wasn't show.

[B]

Yeah, she was there, but she wasn't even on any of the panels.

[C]

No, she was holding court, walking around with her husband kissing her. And it occurred to me, as I want. I love your content on this, by the way. I. I totally agree. I'm like, why was she there?

[B]

Yeah. Because there wasn't even an OC panel that season. Right. Was she on any of the panels?

[C]

I. I don't know. It just hit me in the middle of the night. Like, why was she. Is she. Do you think? I mean, besides Teresa. Do you Think she's the biggest liar on Bravo.

[B]

She's definitely up there. I. I just. I. She's definitely up there. I'm so over Kate. Like, I love to drag Katie because I just think she's such a liar. And it's actually fun now watching all of the fans that rode for her during OC now starting to be like, oh, my God, she's insufferable. I mean, you're a big OC Fan. Were you ever a fan of Katie's?

[C]

No. I. I have such a trigger to lying. It just. It makes me insane.

[B]

And you agree. You think she's a liar?

[C]

Total liar. And boring.

[B]

And boring. She wasn't even, like, I would, like. Who's like, Aviva Drescher, iconic.

[C]

Look at me.

[B]

I'm, like, annoying. Annoying. But she brought the heat. She wasn't on for many seasons. She had the list. Limbs and all were flying on that season. She knew how to bring it.

[C]

See, white with this ankle. Orthopedic slipper I got going there. You like that?

[B]

Love that ankle.

[C]

Yeah, she. You know, and the fact that there's nothing to remember from Katie but lies, and it is sad to. I guess it's not that sad because I think she's wealthy, but it. It is sad that this is her identity now.

[B]

Like, it has become her entire identity is talking about this show that she was on for a season and a half. She didn't even make it past her full second season because she was so terrible. And then I saw this post that she had done where she was, like, you know, ready to move on. She's, like, ready to move forward and leave the past in the past. Like, she wanted to come back for another season. And then the second she gets fired, now she's like, actually, they're all. They bullied me, and it was all. They were all racist, and the network was terrible, and it was so toxic, and I'm just like, nobody, like, loves. Like, nobody likes a disgruntled housewife, you know?

[C]

What about. What are your feelings?

[B]

Carol? Carol. Like, she. Well, I mean, she was a little disgruntled at the beginning, but, like, she kind of got over herself and, like, was able to. To move on. I don't think Katie's gonna have that same trajectory, though.

[C]

We've never talked about your feelings on Crystal because she.

[B]

Boring.

[C]

Yeah. She's bring. She's made that her identity now. And there are rumors, Zach, that she may be back on the cabin.

[B]

I don't think she'll come back full time. And even if she does come back, like, who's she gonna be friends with? Like, who's gonna be her connection to come back and, like, what is her purpose in coming? Here's the thing with Crystal Minkoff is Crystal, to my understanding, is actually very entertaining. The issue is, on camera, she's very. She tries to be very put together, you know, and tries to be very mindful of how she comes across and what she says. And all of these things where I'm just like, her first season, she killed it. Ugly leather pants. Like, she, you know, told Sutton, you're just jealous. You know, like, it was just that moment she was completely unafraid of just being herself. And then she realized, oh, shit, I need to have an alliance. Let me partner with Sutton and Garcelle, and then let me. Let's go against the other ladies. And it was just. She ruined herself by trying too hard to appease the fans rather than just give us good television.

[C]

Garcelle, who I don't miss one bit.

[B]

No. And the other thing with. With Krystal that I didn't enjoy is, like, she has so much money. Her husband is the Lion King director, and, like, her Taco Tuesday was, like, so low budget. I was like, what? You have so much money to put on a real nice, good party. And what is this Taco Tuesday bullshit, Zach?

[C]

The best show right now on Bravo. Real Housewives of London, period.

[B]

Oh, it just premiered this week, right?

[C]

Talk about wealth and knowing how to spend money and real friendships, enemies, drama, gorgeous homes and parties and fashion. This is a 10 out of 10. So this is money, and they are not afraid to use it. And that's why we're turning on the tv.

[B]

That's what we need. We need more good television like these shows. We need more of the wealth, and we also need just more people that don't care about how they come across on these shows anymore.

[C]

You're gonna love it. You're gonna love it.

[B]

All right, I'll give it a try. I'll give it a try this weekend. Lori, I will trust you. You're. I like you, Lori, but not so much. Lori K. You have to save the reputation for the lorries.

[C]

Someone wrote in the comments on here, can we sue Lori? And I was like, what? What do I do? I think they met Lori K. And I don't think they meant Sue. I guess if she lets out any information that she, you know, about Brittany. I don't think she's doing that, though. Hi, there's me.

[B]

Or if she. Or if I guess there's some sort of, like, I think they're implying, like, a breach of contract, but I don't know if that would violate any of the terms because I think Britney had let her go a while ago, but I don't know. We'll see. But, Laurie, your podcast is fan or fanatic?

[C]

It is, and I just. I just put it on YouTube about a month ago, and I'm looking. I'm looking for subscribers. It. It is good for your skin to subscribe, and I think it makes the weather nicer in your area. If you subscribe to my YouTube channel, you should.

[B]

Everybody should go and subscribe. Oh, look at. Can we get you. Lori? Let's see if we can get you to a thousand. You're at 9:40 right now. Let's see if we can get you to a thousand before the end of

[C]

the day to go fund me. Like, Gina. Why does Gina have a GoFundMe? I don't understand.

[B]

What is her GoFundMe? Her hair?

[C]

No, the one.

[B]

Her hair.

[C]

Cancer from Orange County.

[B]

Oh, Gina Keough, right? Kiof Kyo.

[C]

Why does she have a GoFundMe? I don't understand.

[B]

I don't know why she. Oh, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. And also, none of the wives are donating to the. Like, Vicki and Tamara, they're all like, donate to the GoFundMe, but yet I don't see any of them donating to the GoFundMe. I'm like, what? You guys are telling your fans to donate and you're not even throwing in two bucks?

[C]

Well, at least they're promoting it, you know?

[B]

I guess. But you could at least throw a hundred bucks at her.

[C]

Exactly. Oh, those were the good old days. Remember Tama threw wine on her

[B]

with the. What does she call it? Assistant? Deceased.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

This is fun. I like your people. I like you. I like the topics. I don't think Daniel's cute, but I love that you felt honest and comfortable enough to admit it.

[B]

I think he's very fair. He's. He. He is good, you know, sexy vibes.

[C]

Listen, I still want to bang Craig Conover, and that's not a popular thing to say.

[B]

Oh, no, Craig's gotten hot.

[C]

No, he is hot, but a lot of people. I don't like him. Oh, what's that,

[B]

Danny?

[C]

Oh. Oh, no. I said, oh, what's that? Daniel, Daniel, Daniel, listen to me. Look at me. Okay, you know what? I. My eyes hurt. The retinas are burning.

[B]

I mean, he's a cute. He's a Hunk of, hunk of burning love.

[C]

Now put up a picture of Craig. I love me some Craig.

[B]

Oh, my God, they're so in love.

[C]

Oh, my God. He's a cult leader and she's a disciple. Oh, but God bless them. You know who I am obsessed with is their little baby with the orange hair. That's a baby. And I like babies. I just want to cute. I can go all the way down to. Is it Santa Creta where they live? Arizona.

[B]

Really Far from Santa Clarita.

[C]

Speaking of Nancy Guthrie, I'd like to take that baby. It's cute.

[B]

Whose baby?

[C]

Their baby's cute. The one.

[B]

Nancy Guthrie's baby.

[C]

I'm saying, speaking of Nancy Guthrie, I want to kidnap Daniel and Nia's baby.

[B]

Oh, they do have cute babies.

[C]

They do. They actually do. But it's part of him. You like that? Thank you for subscribing. Look at the. Oh, oh, and by the way, and you met him too. Three times, I'm sure. Hotter in person. Craig Conover and a so nice and so like he made me. I could be his mother's age feel like I was the only woman in the room and I wasn't.

[B]

Yummy, yummy.

[C]

Southern charm is my favorite show, Danny, period.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yep. My favorite one.

[B]

It's not bad.

[C]

I just spent. May have just spent the day and evening a few months ago with Ms. Pat at her house. Humble brag.

[B]

Hashtag Humble brag. Well, thank you, Lori. Everybody go check out fan or fanatic. Subscribe on YouTube. Send Lori some love. All the lurve in the club. Oh, yeah, Lori, thanks for coming on.

[C]

Thank you and thank you to your beautiful fans and it was an honor.

[B]

It was so much fun. All right, guys, go show Lori some love and I will be sure to talk to you guys tomorrow. So be sure to like, subscribe. Do all the things. Hit the like button on your way out. Subscribe. Leave an Apple podcast review. I'll give you guys a shout out on Monday if you leave a review this weekend. So go right now. Tell your Alexa to remind you to leave a podcast review. That way you don't forget. And I will talk to you guys on Friday. Talk to you guys tomorrow morning. Bye, guys.