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Well, Hillary Duff is breaking her silence on the mom toxic mom group drama with Ashley Tisdale. She says she feels used by Ashley. Plus we have Savannah Guthrie's husband who paid a visit to her team at the today show. And has Sheriff Nanos been the real bad guy in this entire Nancy Guthrie debacle? Lots to get into. I hope you guys are ready for it. Let's dive in. This is no Filter with Zack Peter your go to source for all the latest pop culture and reality TVT serve fresh all week long. Now let's dive in. What's going on, guys? Welcome on in. Welcome on in. Welcome on in. Everybody in the club. I hope you guys are having a great what's today? Wednesday. Excuse me. Happy Wednesday, everybody in the club. What's up? Have have yourself a merry little Christmas Da na na na na. Just a reminder, it is Wednesday and as you know, on ze Wednesdays we have our members only Zoom calls dun dun dun. So if you would like to join our members only Zoom, you should become a member on Supercast. We love us some supercast. So you can join at no filter. Sorry, no filter. All access. You can join at all access not no filter allaccess.supercast.com. i think, I believe if you also type in no filter with Zach.com it should also take you to that same link so you can become a person premium member on supercast and you get to join this evening, 5pm Pacific. Me and the boys, we will be on Zoom so you can come hang out. You don't have to join if you don't want to on camera. You can join in on the live chat. You can join in on either on camera or not on camera. Totally up to you. Nothing gets saved. But yeah, Lisa says everyone be sure to check out Zach and Heather. Our episode airs tomorrow, Thursday. So I'm not on Juicy Scoop today. Heather said it airs on Thursday. So this Thursday, which would be tomorrow, February 26th. Be sure to watch Juicy Scoop. We taped it yesterday. It was a good time. It was fun. We talked Nancy Guthrie, we talked like lively. We talked traders, we talked Rinna, we talked so many, so many different things. So get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it. Hey. With love, love, love, love. That's my Hillary Duff song when she's doing her with love dance. She's done, done with love, love, love. I'm so excited. I got tickets to see Hillary in July. I'm very excited about that. I've been loving her new album and she is coming for people on this new album. You guys, the drums. All the drums. Okay, so we'll talk Hillary Duff, we'll talk. Kelly Catrone and Tyra Bank. That drama is continuing to, like, unfold. We've got some Traders reunion looks. I don't know if you guys care about that, but we have the Traders reunion that's dropping tomorrow on Thursday, along with the Traders finale. Finale. Okay, but let's. I mean, should we kick things off with our Nancy Guthrie update? Nancy Guthrie, it is day 25. There appeared to be some activity at her. I mean, do we even care about Nancy Guthrie anywhere at this point? I feel like we were so invested. Let's see if anything breaking has happened. People were searching. They were doing independent search parties. FBI was at Nancy's house this morning. There were officers at Nancy's house. Uncertain what's going on, but there were, like, some big SUVs. I mean, I guess it could have, like, presumably would have been Savannah, but it looks like, like there was an FBI crew that showed up. JLR Investigates has been on. He still boots, I believe. Still boots on the ground there. He said he was going to stay for at least throughout the end of this week. Nobody knows what happened to Nancy. She's just. She's gone, gone, gone, gone. She's M.I.A. disappeared. Nobody knows. Where does she go? Nobody knows. But, yeah, looked like it was a pretty big situation. There were, like, a lot of people that were dressed up, presumably of the FBI. Brian Enten was reporting on it as well. Okay. That's the most on the update with Nancy, Savannah, her husband, Mike Feldman. I thought this was really weird. So apparently Mike Feldman ended up going to the Today show and talking to her team. Like, her colleagues and Page Six reported on this, and they said that it was emotional, but he thanked them for their support. Tell me if I'm crazy or not, but this feels a little weird. No. Like, he didn't work on this show. He doesn't work with these people. But he showed up at her job to thank her colleagues. I heard that she was, like, sending them emails and updates and thanking them herself. Like, just, you know, keeping them in the loop. And I think they were like, everybody was cc'd on those emails. Like, all the interns and assistants and all that. Like, she was just sending these broad stroke emails to everybody at the Today show, keeping them posted and just thanking them for their support and their prayers and whatnot, which is understandably very sweet. But it just feels odd for her husband to go to the Today show and for him to address Them when again, he doesn't even. He doesn't even work there. Right. I just felt like that was kind of weird. Don't you find it odd he isn't with Nancy? Who isn't with Nancy? I think you mean Savannah. We hope he's not with Nancy. Nancy, I believe, is up in heaven. I don't think I. Mary. I don't. I don't know if he would want to be with Nancy. Muddy Gray says, I think that they wanted the segment and would get anyone. I guess it's not that odd, the morning show. People act as family, I guess. I mean, I don't really know. Yeah, you don't even. Cats. You don't even go here. Right. Like, that's the part that for me, just feels a little. I mean. Yes, I'm sure it's like a family. Well, I don't know. Think about it. Have you guys even seen the morning show on Apple? I feel like that's a pretty good, like, indicator. Like, people are colleagues. They know each other. They trauma bond together. But, like, was it recorded the convo with Mike? No, it was like a private conversation that he just went to address all of them with. Right. I don't remember. I don't think it was like an actual. No, it wasn't an actual, like, segment on the show. He, like, just went to go and talk to them. That's weird. Yeah. Love the morning show. Yeah, the morning show with Reese Witherspoon and Jennifer Aniston. That's what it's like. I know on TV they try to make it seem like, oh, we're all one big family and we all love each other, but it's not like you're really just colleagues. And at best, you're trauma bonded together because you're going through this collective experience that's crazy and stressful and you're battling live news and it's. It's crazy. But, like, as much as they want to pretend that they're all one big happy family, like, at the end of the day, they're really just co workers at the Today show. That's why it's like a recycling door of hosts and anchors that come in and out. And sometimes, yeah, you work together for a long time, but I don't think it's like a. I don't think they're that close. I don't know, maybe I. Apparently I'm the only one that thinks it's weird that he showed about her job. I mean, granted, I know it's a different dynamic, but, like, you know, OC Girl says, hi, everyone. Your co worker is not your family exactly. But they're. I mean, they're just. They're colleagues, you know? And you also have to understand how those shows work as well. Like, there's, like, a. A competitive nature to it, too, of, like, who gets the more camera time, who's. You know? I don't know. It's just the dynamics are really weird. Yeah. Be very careful at work. Okay. Lori says, I do think it's weird. Right. I think it's weird. Maybe Savannah is scared she'll lose her job. That would make sense. And so he, like, had to keep face, maybe to all. Maybe there were, like, questions, because. I know, like, we were having a lot of questions about the behavior of the family and, like, what are they doing and why aren't they offering a reward and all of that sort of stuff. So I can see that as well. I don't know. Odd. Odd. Okay. I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that this is odd. Is it true that after that, he said Savannah was returning to her job? Well, that's just what's been reported. We don't know what he actually said to them, but from the report, it does appear that he told them that he would be returning or that she would be returning to her job. Also weird. Like, if anything, that's more of just like a. Don't get too comfortable. Don't think Hoda's gonna take her seat. I don't know. Again, everything about the situation is strange and bizarre, but Brian Enten. So, yes. Was it yesterday or the day before yesterday? There were reports that the images that we had of the perpetrator on Nancy Guthrie's porch likely the same person on different days or likely multiple people? Uncertain. So Brian Enten is reported on this as well, and he's saying that he stands by his sources that claim that these were images taken on two different days. I'm assuming his sources are with the FBI because it's only Sheriff Nanos that's disputing these. I don't know. But apparently the reason there are no time stamps on the images is because I guess there was no subscription. So because there was no subscription, there were no timestamps attributed to the footage. But it's also weird. Like, I need to know how. Like what? And how did they get this footage? And is there footage of Nancy that night? Can we. Is there footage that proves that she really did come home? Do we see her walking by? I mean, it's kind of hard if she didn't walk within range of motion. But like, you would think there would be some like a squirrel running by, I don't know, a rat, a bird, a snake, something. Right. That would trigger some sort of motion that you would think there would be more images that would come from that surveillance video other than those two images. And wouldn't the FBI be able to know, like, if it were different days? Because you should have different interactions that were captured on camera in between the those different days, right? I don't know. I. I don't know. Don't know. Banana nose is an idiot. I mean, I just think he. I don't believe anything he says. If nano says it's not true, that means it's true. Yeah, I don't believe anything that he says. JLR says bounty hunters are now showing up in town. Good, I'm glad. The bounty hunter. We've been asking for Dog the bounty hunter to get there a lot sooner. I said call in all of them. Call in Steve from Blue's Clues. Call in Dora the Explorer. Swiper. No swiping. Right. What are bounty hunters? They come in to like solve the crime. They're like private investigators and they come in to solve the crimes and they come in to like capture the perpetrator. Well, the holidays have come and gone once again, but if you've forgotten to get that special someone in your life a gift, we're well. Mint Mobile is extending their holiday offer of half off unlimited wireless. So here's the idea. You get it now, you call it an early present for next year. What do you have to lose? Give it a try@mintmobile.com Switch limited time. 50% off regular price for new customers. Upfront payment required. $45 for three months, $90 for six month or $180 for 12 month plan taxes and fees. Extra speeds may slow after 50 gigabytes per month when network is busy. See terms. There's a bounty on the head. They're coming to collect the money because they want to solve this crime themselves. My fear is that a lot of the evidence either ruined, destroyed, tampered with. There was reports that the DNA, the unidentified DNA that was found inside the house, apparently that was connected with people that had means or reasons to be in the house, which makes sense. Apparently it's not an unidentified person, but I guess the DNA was mixed, so they had to like unraveled the DNA and I guess they were able to attribute the DNA to people that they confirmed would have been in the house. I'VE always thought this was, like, an inside job, so I'm not surprised that there's no random stranger's DNA. Right. Like, it's just dumb. Yeah. Not knowing the timestamps. Lies. Yeah. Something about the timestamps thing is weird. And also, I'm pretty sure that Google didn't just hand over those two isolated clips or images. I'm pretty sure Google handed over, you know, a chunk of footage of being like, listen, this is what we were able to pull from the camera. There's also something with a. A January 11th date. I don't know what that has to do with it, but I guess investigators are asking about that date or that week. Apparently, there may have been somebody scouting Nancy's house around that time. I don't know. But this is where we're at 25 days, and I think it's a cold case. I don't think that we'll ever know what happened to Nancy. I think that, you know, the family offered money to just be like, see, we offered money. We did it. We tried. We gave everything we could at this point. Now go away. Leave us alone. We tried. We did everything. But at this point, I just. I don't know. I don't. I fear. Yeah. Mary Trman says January 11th and 16th. The neighbor said a strange man was lurking around at that time. Who remembers that? Who was like, you know what? I don't remember what the fuck happened on January 11th? What was January 11th? Was it a Wednesday? Let's see. What was January 11th? January 11th. Oh, wait, do I have. No, I don't. Okay. January 11th. I had a meeting taped. No filter. I taped Fox 5. We had a members only zoom happy hour. But, like, I don't remember the details. If there was a strange man lurking around outside my apartment, I don't remember that. January 11th was a Saturday. Was it a Saturday? No. Oh, shit. That's February 11th. Sorry. January 11th was a Sunday. Actually, I just checked. January 11th was a Sunday. I had a zoom that day. Why did I have a zoom? Oh, I think that was book club. We did book club again. I don't even remember what we said on book club that day. So for me, I'm just like, how a person. Yeah, the report was like, there was a strange person that didn't look like they were supposed to be around here. What does that mean? Like, what. What did this weird, strange person look like? It's. I don't know. It's weird. Mary says, ooh, my birthday was the 13th, and I don't know what day my birthday was exactly? See, you don't remember if, like, I don't know, I just think there's strange things that you come across and you're like, oh, that's a weird car. Oh, that's an interesting person. Like, I've had strange interactions like that, but I don't remember the exact date or time or I don't know. Everything about this is just weird. The doorbell would have sent Nancy an alert that somebody was at her door. You would think that an 84 year old woman would have an emergency alert button or would call nine. That's another good point, Lynn. You would think that if this person was lurking around on this mysterious January 11th day, there would be motion detected. And if there's motion detected, you think somebody would check that. But then again, you can also be like, well, it's Arizona. Maybe it was a rat, maybe it was a squirrel. You know, if there's motion detected, I don't think it would be too, like, abnormal for it to be like something else. Maybe it was a coyote. I don't know. I don't know. I just don't know how we lost this old lady. And we're 25 days in and we still have absolutely nothing. Unless the alerts were at Annie's. Oh, and Annie wasn't bothering to check on her. I'm pretty sure Annie had access to the ring as well. Like so that she could. I'm pretty sure they both had a login so that Nancy had it and she had it as well. Does she wear hearing aids? I'm wondering if she took them off so she could have not heard very much. Possibly. I don't know. But again, that's trusting that there really was. They have no time stamps on this footage yet they happen to know that there was a mysterious man that was captured on. Like, how do they know that that was the date of January 11th that that footage was captured on? Just because the lady down the street says that she saw a weird man that she didn't think belonged around here. I don't know. How old is this lady? Was she around when segregation was a thing? Because that may be why she's like, this person doesn't look like he belongs here. Just saying. Just saying. You know, the fact that she didn't have any security system is odd for her age. I agree. That I think is weird for her age. Yes. Katie says my phone is on silent all the time. I would never have heard the alert when I went to sleep. Also, if she doesn't have A Nest subscription. Why would she have the alert alert set up? Well, the alerts you would set up. If you don't have the subscription, then that means it doesn't save the footage. But it still alerts you when there's motion. I don't know. What's the hope? I mean, I guess the point of having it is that people know that like they're not gonna know you don't have the subscription. So I guess it kind of like scares them to not. I don't know. I still think the dude with the ring is in on it. It's possible the neighbor. It is possible. Tom Stan, 84 with the super chat says hugs to Zach for taking on of Hernandez. She's a clown. I didn't mean to. She like. I didn't mean to get in a fight with her that day, but Donna was telling me that the other day. She's like, zach, when I met you, you were so like, you would like you were now you were so like feisty and combative and you would like fight with people. And that has faded. I've. I've grown, I've matured. But I still got it in me. Trust me, the bitch is still in me. I can come out. You poke the bear and showing up. If I had an 84 year old mom, I would have my phone on. Yeah, I just, I think it's weird. She wanted it for wildlife. Oh, that's possible. Yeah. The subscription just keeps recorded videos and pictures. Correct. That's what it saves it. But I think it only saves it for like a certain amount of time. Right. Or it depends on your storage. Saves it for what, like 30 days and then it gets deleted. Okay. Oh wow. Look at some. Aaron Johnson just signed up for all access. No filter. All access. Wow. And Aaron got this activated plan shout out to Aaron Johnson. Guys, if you sign up for Supercast during our YouTube live streams, I will give you a shout out. Now that I just. Sorry, I just saw that alert that Aaron joined the Zach pack. She got fully activated on supercast. Like I said, tonight we have our zoom. So you will get an email with the zoom link for tonight. So be sure to sign up and check your email because tonight, 5pm Pacific, 8pm Eastern we will be going live. Also, the two minutes to getting into the garage is strange. She had mobility issues. You would think that they would walk her in the home. Yeah, and why let her go in? Yes, we have our zoom tonight our members only. Zoom. Why would we walk in by herself? And why through the garage? Why not through the front door. Again, all so strange. Strange, strange, strange, weird. Okay, let's talk Hillary Duff. So Hillary is coming out at Ashley Tisdale, or she's responding to the toxic mom group drama. So for those that don't remember, Ashley Tisdale wrote an op ed in the cut. And in the cut, she talks about how she was part of a mom group, and she considered the mom group toxic. And I guess they were being mean to her, and they would go on trips, and they wouldn't include her, and. And they started hanging out without her, and she was like the mom that was left out. And there were rumors that, you know, Ashley had maybe become a little more conservative. She started to be a little more alt, right? She was, I guess, think of it like, did you watch White Lotus season three? Remember, they're the three ladies, and they were on vacation. What was it? It was in Thailand, right? And they're at the dinner, and they're like. And two of the girls like, oh, it must be so weird for you, living in. In Texas now. And she's like, why? And she's just like, well, isn't it, like, super religious and super conservative? And she's just like. And then they're like. Like, I would imagine it would be hard being around that many Republicans. And she's just like, no, it's not that hard. And then, you know, eventually she comes out and she's like, yeah. She's like, yeah, I've started to lean more conservative. So I feel like that's how it went down. They were like, oh, Ashley Tis like, Ashley's, like, becoming, like, crazy. She's, like, becoming a MAGA mom. And we don't like MAGA moms. And so they, like, cut her out and, like, stopped inviting her to stuff. And so Ashley talked about how, you know, she felt iced out of the mom group, and, you know, she was hurt by that, but she just decided to walk away. She didn't name names. She didn't get into specifics. She just talked about there being a mommy group that she was a part of. They iced her out, and it was toxic. And she was happy to have left the toxic mom group situation. So then it came out. There were reports that came out that were like, oh, my God, the toxic mom group has to be the celeb mom group, right, which included Hilary Du, Mandy Moore, and Meghan Trainor, amongst other popular, famous moms. And now we don't have confirmation that it was politically motivated, but we do also have Hillary Duff and her sister Hayley Duff. Who were super, super close. Now they're not as close. They haven't talked in years. And there were rumors that they had a falling out, and they're falling out had to do with their politics as well, because Hillary tends to be more left leaning. Haley is rumored to be more right leaning, or at least who have become more conservative. And their values just didn't align anymore. And it seemed like she doesn't talk to Haley anymore, her sister. And so it would make sense that if that was part of the reason Ashley got caught up, cut out, and she's known Hillary and Haley for a while, it would make sense why she would then still have more of a relationship and a bonding, you know, situation with Haley if their, you know, values and politics are more aligned than hers with Hillary and the other celebrity moms that traditionally Hollywood leans a little more liberal, leans a little more towards the left. So those rumors do kind of check out if that's the theory that we're choosing to believe. Right. Well, Hillary Duff dropped her new album, Luck or something. And in it, she has two songs. One where she talks about her dad, where she says something about how like, oh, I wish I could sleep on planes, and I wish my dad really loved me. And so that gets into her contentious relationship with her father and the distance that she's. Or that they seem to have had in recent years. And then there's a song called We Don't Talk Anymore. And that song is directly about Hayley Duff and Hayley. It's weird because Hillary's like, I don't know why we talk. We don't talk anymore. And here, let's just pull up. We don't talk. We don't talk about Bruno. We don't talk about Bruno. It's not that one. Okay, so these are the lyrics to Hilary Duff's song We Don't Talk. She said, I'm not sure when it happened. Not sure. Not even sure what it was about. If I did something different, would you feel something different? Would you at least hear me out? Because we come from the same home, the same blood, a different combination, but the same lock. People ask me how you're doing? I want to say amazing, but the truth is, I don't know. What I always end up saying is how. We don't talk. We don't talk about it. We don't talk about anything anymore. We don't talk. We don't talk about anything anymore. And then that's the chorus. And then she says, emotional eviction. No more sentimental overlap. And it's cause you were. And if it's cause you were jealous, God knows I would sell it all, then break you off the bigger half. So here she's saying, I can't help it that I'm so popular. That's the like for mean girls. You know, when Gretchen goes up there and they have to do the. The thing where they, like, have to apologize for something, and then they do the trust fall, and then they fall into all the girls, and Gretchen Wiener goes up there, and she's like, I know the people don't like me, but, like, I can't help it that I'm so popular. And that's kind of like what this is giving. Where she's just like, you know, if it's because you're jealous, God knows I would sell it all, then break you off the bigger half. Like, it is a little shady for her to be like, I think it's because you're jealous of me because I'm more famous and I have more money. But, like, I would give it all to you just to have a relationship with you. But, like, I'm sorry that I'm more famous than you. And then she goes on to say, oh, yeah, because we came from the same home, the same blood, a different expression of the same thought. People ask me if I've seen you, and honestly, I hate it, because the truth is that I need to. But there's no way to relay it now. If we don't talk, we don't talk about it. We don't talk about anything anymore. Let's have it out. I'll hear you out. You hear me out on the couch. Get back to how we were as kids. I break it down. So sick of being so sad about how we don't talk, and you won't talk about it. We don't talk. We don't talk. We don't talk. So it kind of seems like she's accusing Haley of being the one that doesn't talk to her. I don't know, but we have, like, traditionally seen that, like, Hilary Duff has gotten into the drama, and she seems to be a little shady, and she seems to. I don't know, but she seems to make it seem like Hillary got cut off, that Haley is the one that cut Hillary out of her life, and she doesn't know why, but they don't talk about why. I don't know. I want to hear Haley's side of it. I need Haley to drop a diss track and give us the other side. I need Haley to Drop a rap. So it's just, it's interesting because it kind of felt like the reason. I always thought that it was Hillary that cut Haley out. And I always thought that it was like the Hillary mom group that cut out Ashley Tisdale. But so she does address it on call her daddy. And I know, yes, I listened to the full hour and a half and I have to say, guys, I keep trying. I have a lot of respect for Alex Cooper, the brand that she's built, the business that she's built. Like, I put respect on Alex Cooper's name. She's not my favorite interviewer though. And I got so frustrated during this interview because, like, if you're going to interview somebody and you're going to get the tea out of them or you're going to have a real conversation with them, then you're going to ask them the real questions. And what I find so frustrating about Alex Cooper is she asks such like benign, fluff, surface level questions. She doesn't dig any deeper. It doesn't appear she knows her guests all that well. Like she doesn't appear very well researched in some of her things. Like if I interviewed Hillary Duff, I would be like, I would know all the talking points. I would push, I would ask follow up questions. Like, I would be like, let's have a real conversation because like the audience wants to know these things, right? At this point, Hillary's already talked about we don't talk anymore being about Haley. And yet when Alex asks her about it, she's like, you know, there's some rumors, there's, you know, this song called We Don't Talk. And like some people think that, they think that it's who it's about. So like what, like, what do you have to say about, like, who the people think about, like, who it's about? And I'm just like, ask the fucking question. Is it, is this song about your sister or hey, the other day you said this song was about your sister. Why? You know, and like get into it. Be like, what? You know, there's so much people loved your relationship with you and Haley and we have noticed that there has been some distance. You obviously have opened up about, you know, not talking to your sister anymore. Do you hope that she'll respond? Do you hope that she'll reach out to you after this? You seem to insinuate that she's the one that cut you off. Did, like what, like, what happened? Why did you guys have a falling out? What do you have to say about the rumors that this was politically motivated. And maybe it was your different value system that kind of separated you guys. Do you think that there's a hope for you guys in the future? Why wasn't she at your wedding? I think that was the first real indicator that there may be something strange, you know, like, ask the follow up questions. Ashley Tisdale. She doesn't even name Ashley. She's like, you know, there was this, like, essay that was published online, and, like, people had a lot of questions about it. And, like, I don't know, like, how. How did you feel that, like, it went so viral? Ask the fucking question. Hey, Ashley Tisdale wrote this article about a toxic mom group you used to be friends with. Ashley Tisdale. Was this about you? Did you guys have a falling out? Like, what? Like, you know, I mean, my gosh, she's a great producer, but a really bad interview. Exactly. Like, she's a great producer. I agree. But my God, is she terrible at interviewing. Like, ask straight questions. Don't dance around even. I know how to dance around certain topics. You have to massage the ego a little bit. Like, I haven't even done a whole lot of. A whole lot of interviews recently. But, like, even I know how to dance around delicate questions and, you know, make my guests feel safe enough. Like, I feel like that was a talent that I had when I was doing more interviews on the podcast, was I knew how to get my guests to feel safe and to open up and to share. And part of sharing is you. Then, like, the audience feels more connected to you at the end of the day. My goals with my interviews were always to make sure that the audience loved you by the end of it. And part of loving you is either getting some tea from you, getting a different insight into you, you know, making you seem more relatable, especially when it comes to, like, the more polarizing people, like Stassi Schroeder. I loved interviewing Stassi right after her cancellation. I loved interviewing Erika Jayne. She was the first real, like, unfiltered hour that I got with Erica after her Tom Girardi, you know, legal scandal with Gerardi Keys and the embezzlement scan. Like, it was just. Alex frustrates me as an interviewer because she dances around the questions, doesn't ask any follow ups. Like, kind of just, like, touches on it. It's like, okay, she, like, kind of. She gave us a word or two. And that word or two can make a headline. And, like, the quotes are just so stupid. But Hillary does say in this interview that she felt used she doesn't name Ashley specifically, but, like, obviously we're talking about Ashley. The fact that, you know, what's her name? Didn't even bring it up. Alex didn't even bring it up. Was annoying, but whatever. Let's see. I don't get the fascination with Call Her Daddy. I did at the beginning when Call Her Daddy was like a big cultural. Like, it had a really popular, like, cult following when it was with Barstool and it was a solely sex podcast. And then there was the fallout with Sophia. And I feel like that fallout with Sophia is what catapulted Caller Daddy into, like, the Zeitgeist. Right. Like that really. The scandal and the fallout of the two ultimately just put it in a different category. And Alex monetized off of that, and she was able to strike a really solid deal with Spotify. And it was like a novel deal. Right. Like, Joe Rogan had a really incredible deal with Spotify, and then Alex Cooper was the next one to sign that level of a deal that ultimately then catapulted her into just a different category of talent. And then once the show became, like, super mainstream and once it became about celebrity interviews, that's where I feel like it kind of just fell off, you know, And I just. Not the biggest fan of her, her celebrity interviews. I just feel like there are a lot of fluff. The podcast didn't become successful because of interviewing celebrities. Exactly. It was successful for other reasons and it had a cult following for other reasons. Now I feel like I don't get the following of Caller Daddy either. I feel like a lot of the Caller Daddy, like the Daddy Gang, I feel like they're still very loyal to Alex, but I don't know if they have the same love for the show that they used to have back when the show was different, before it evolved into this celebrity interview style show where, again, there's just not a whole lot of anything that comes out of these episodes now. There's not. Not a lot of depth. There's not a lot of. I mean, maybe occasionally you get like a good headline or something, a good zinger, but for the most part, I just. Zach, I would love for you to interview Brian Enten. Oh, my God, that would be amazing. I don't think he would ever do my show, though. I think he thinks I'm a little lowbrow. Like, I've made jokes about being like Brian Enten. My DMs are open. Brian Enten, come see about me. Brian Enten, are you single? I've made Jokes about that, but, like, obviously, that would. That would never happen. I would, like, ruin his career. I'm way too controversial. Like, my mouth gets me into way too much trouble. He's not coming on my show anytime soon. He's gonna be like, I'm steering clear of that. Of that crazy dude. Yeah. I think Alex is trying to stay on the good side of the celebs. Yeah. But it's like, at what point do you then not really appreciate your audience? Right. That carries you. I don't know. She seems to be doing well for herself. Right. She has the. The call her daddy, like, summit that she does, which was wildly successful. Her tour was wildly successful. She's got a number of different shows in the works. She's producing and doing. She's doing a lot, and good for her. He was on Billy Bush. Why not you? Oh, interesting. Well, I mean, Billy's a little different. Like, Billy comes from, like, a traditional reporter background, I think. I don't know. I don't know if Brian Enten takes me seriously. I would love to have him on. I would. We'll see. That said, I think that was all, like, she. Yeah. She touches on the mom drama, the toxic mom group drama. She says that she feels really sad about it. She says that, you know, it's not true. I wish Alex would have pressed her a bit more on this and be like, well, what do you mean, it's sad? What about it saddens you? What was untrue about what was said? Were you ever friends with Ashley? Did you guys have a falling out? Were you guys close? I mean, you're Disney girls. We would love to see that friendship blossom, but I don't know. We didn't get anything more. She does talk about Matthew, her husband, posting that parody of Ashley and the toxic mom group. Like, cover the photo for that. The COVID of that story. And she says that, you know, she doesn't censor Matthew. She thinks he's incredibly funny, and he is really funny, and he does funny things, but, you know, she doesn't censor him. But she did say that she felt used by it. I don't think Ashley used her, though. I think Ashley shared her experience, and then the press really used Hillary and Mandy and Meghan Trainor's names to, like, make the story blow up. I don't think Ashley Tisdale had any intention of it blowing up the way that it did. But I did find it interesting that Ashley and Haley posted together shortly after that to show, like, their kids are hanging out, that I felt like, was a direct dig at Hillary. There had to have been something that Hillary did that, like, Haley wants nothing to, to do with her at this point. But, I mean, Hillary also doesn't have a good relationship with her father at this point. I haven't really seen her mom around for this, like, new music launch, so I don't know, she just seems to be in, like, a bubble with her new family and good for her, you know, I'm glad. I don't know. We'll see. We shall see. See, Zach, you were just on Megan Kelly. I think that probably opened you up to some different viewers. It absolutely. I have to say, people were very, very, very, very sweet. Not everyone. I did have some friends that were very displeased with the fact that I did Megan Kelly show. But Megan was incredible. Her audience has been incredible and so incredibly sweet. And anybody that has now come over and watches and supports, you know, and wants to support me, I am so, so grateful. I hope Megan has me on again at some point because I would be happy to come and join her show again. I had such an incredible and lovely experience. So thank you for that. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Okay, let's talk about Kelly Cattrone dragging Jay Manuel. Actually, I think I have her here. We'll read it because this was. Oh, spicy. This was spicy. Okay. So Kelly commented on a post, I think it was an interview that Jay Manuel had done because now he's like, on this press tour to talk about the documentary and he's like, dragging Tyra every chance he gets. And so Kelly control commented, and she says, side note, Jay never even worked in the fashion industry. Shade. She said he worked at a Mac. He worked at a Mac makeup counter in Toronto. Tyra boosted him. And how did he repay her? By writing a novel about her and the show, which no one bought. And now he's trying to become relevant by being out there trashing her again. Maybe he'll get a deal as a spokesperson for spray tanning or filler. He was so incredibly rude to me. My first day on the show. He came up to me and said, welcome to the show. You are in the ejector seat, meaning anyone who sat in that seat, Andre, etc. Was fired. Oddly enough, he was done at the end of that season. So. Interesting, interesting, interesting. She really comes for him. And listen, I get it. I absolutely understand where she's coming from because I kind of feel like now after I watched it and the documentary, it's three parts on Netflix, about America's next Top Model, now that it's. I've had a chance to let it marinate. And now that people are circulating other clips, like clips of things that J. Manuel said or things that Ms. J said or things that Janice Dickinson said. They were all horrible. Like, why aren't you guys dragging Janice Dickinson? She was so mean on that show. And so was Ms. J. Ms. J had some things to say. J. Manuel had some things to say. They all said scathing things, okay? That was the culture. We're forgetting what that era of pop culture was. It was snarky. Like this was the peak era of celebrity hello. This was the era of Perez Hilton. This was the era that birthed Perez Hilton, who was drawing dicks on celebrities faces. Okay, so listen good on you, Kelly Cottrone, because at this point, I do think it's a. It's a bit hypocritical, granted. I do think Tyra was awful, okay? I think she was a diva. I think she was doing anything for ratings. I think she was willing to exploit anybody in any situation as long as it delivered good ratings, good for the network, all of that. Right. Sherri shepherd actually defended Tyra really well. And she's just like, listen, nobody was giving black women opportunities like that at that point. You know, she's like, I'm sure there were decisions that were tough for Tyra to have to make, but she had to make them to keep her show on the air. And again, I think we're forgetting that. Yeah, sure, maybe Tyra was awful, maybe she was ratings crazed, but I think they were all pretty bad. But the reality is, as viewers, and I'm going to call you out right now watching this, we all were complicit in that culture. Right? You watched America's Next Top Model. You lived for their reason. You wanted to see what crazy thing Tyra Banks made the next girl do. What? She got a gap and she made her closer gap. Whoa. She made her shave her head. Whoa. She's making them walk in these crazy high heels. Whoa. Why do you think it made it that long on the air? Why do you think it was as successful as it show as it was for that long? Because you were watching it. You liked it. You lived for the drama. That's what the culture was. We've learned, we've grown. We're not there anymore. But don't sit here and act like you weren't watching that show week after week and you weren't obsessed what was going on and you didn't watch it because, oh, my God. It's so asshole aspirational. And I wanted to see the girl become a model. Bull. I'm calling even you out on your bull, okay? Because we. And I say we because I was complicit in that culture. Culture as well, during that era of pop culture. We watched it because we were. Oh, my God, did you see Which. Oh, my God, did you watch? Oh, my God, did you see this? Like, that's just what the culture was. And so I think it's a bit hypocritical for them to all come out and drag Tyra. Like, yes, she was awful at that point. Like, and I'm not saying that she wasn't awful. I'm just saying that's what was reflective of the culture, right? That's what the modeling industry was. It was so critical of women's bodies. It was so critical and picking people apart. And part of it was like this pecking order, right? The people that were on top that made the decisions, they were mean. But they were mean because there was something. Some insecurity in them, some bully, you know, was mean to them in school. And so this was their way of getting their power back. But that was reflective of what that industry was at that time. And reality TV was crazy. It was the wild, wild west back then. And that's why we watched it, because it was crazy. Okay? You were watching it for the craziness of it. You weren't watching it to see how aspirational the models were being. Like, oh, my God, they're going to become the next big America's Next Top Model. It's Gigi Hadid. No, come on. You were watching it for its entertainment value, not for, you know, the stories that you were rooting for. Maybe there was an element of that, but that's not the main reason you were watching it. You were watching it because it was entertaining. Now, did Tyra push the limits? Absolutely. But they all pushed the limits, including J. Manuel, including Ms. J. Including Janice Dickinson. I don't remember. What was it, Nigel? I don't remember him really doing much. He was kind of just like the nice one that kind of was like, let me keep the peace, right? And also to that same credit, same goes for the people that signed up for these shows. They were hungry. They wanted the fame. They wanted the TV time. Like, they were hungry for. It's like housewives now, when you see so many of these housewives that join these shows, a lot of them don't join, like, the real money and the real people that, like, have that Affluence. They're not joining reality TV anymore. You only join it if you're thirsty and you want it or you need the paycheck. You either want the fame or you want the money. And in some cases, a lot of these rich ladies want the fame. But you also know that there's a cross you have to bear, right? They wanted to be in modeling. That's what the industry was in modeling. So it's not like anything that the judges were saying was anything unique to what they would have been said on a casting call. Everyone was willing to go on these shows. They were all willing to make a deal with the devil, and then they get pissed when it didn't work out in their favor. But that's the gamble you take when you're making a deal with the devil, right? That's how the game worked. That's how the cookie crumbles. You knew that going in, and you still signed up for it because why? You wanted to be famous. You wanted to be notable. You wanted to be somebody in the industry. You knew that if you became famous, you would be ripped apart by Perez Hilton. And at that time, that was like a badge of honor for people that wanted to be famous during that era of pop culture, Right? It's different from, like, child stars like Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan. Like, those were kids that didn't have a choice. Their parents pushed them into that at a young age, and those ended up being very tragic stories. Look at Amanda Bynes. Tragic stories. That's very different from the people that were signing up to be on reality television. Right? These were adults. Maybe some of them were young. Maybe some of them were impressionable. Maybe some of them shouldn't have been joining the show. I agree with all of that. But at the same time, the show's on the air. You get to see what the show is. You get to watch what the show is, and season after season after season or cycle after cycle, you saw the way the judges were picking apart these girls. You saw the way the judges were tearing down these women. It's a competition. I'm sorry. Not everybody gets a trophy on these shows. And that's the way it was designed. And you knew that going in. Like, I don't believe that all of these people were that naive. The shows are on the air. It's not like a job that you know nothing about with the boss that ends up being terrible because you signed up for a job and you thought it was gonna be something, and it ended up being something else. You know, why? Because you could fucking turn on your TV and watch the show and see what Janice Dickens was likely to say about you. If they're saying that about every other girl on that show, you're gonna tell me you're gonna be the lucky one that comes on and gets out unscathed. Come on. Or even when it comes to, like, oh, well, I thought that it was going to give me a booming modeling career. I'm sorry. You joined on Cycle seven. Look at the last six cycles before you. Did any of them have this big, booming career that you wanted? I don't know if they did. Like, you're a grown enough person to make a decision. You signed a deal with the devil, and this is just the gamble. This is the result that you got by taking that gamble. Right? If you watched America's Next Top Model, you knew that there was a chance that Tyra Banks was going to rip you apart or Janice or Ms. J or Jay Manuel, just like American Idol, right? You knew Simon Cowell was going to rip you to shreds. Or at least you knew that that was a chance. And yet they still kept signing up for it. They knew that they were going to have to go before Simon Cowell, and yet they chose to. That was just the deal that they chose to make. Right? And us as the audience loved when the judges criticized them. Or why do you think producers would put some of crazy acts into the audition process and have them go before the judges? It was for the entertainment value. And I remember being a kid in middle school watching those shows and be like, oh, my God, did you see American Idol last night? Did you see that crazy girl? Oh, my God. Did you see the one that came in and she was yodeling? Yodel. How quickly you forget. How quickly we want to just erase the memory and think that we've always had this moral superiority that we're walking into. The culture has changed and shifted. It's 2026. You cannot look at 2006 with the same lens in 2026 and not also realize we were all complicit in that culture. Unless you were out there with the picket sign saying, cancel Tyra. Cancel Tyra. Cancel Tyra. Just because now everybody can hashtag and put flags in their bio on Instagram and suddenly they're all social justice warriors. Come on. Okay. You did not just fall out of a coconut tree. Okay, so let's. Sorry, I didn't mean to get on my soapbox about that, but, like, come on. The hypocrisy. It's Insane to me. MC Highlife. Thank you for the super chat. My love says, I would love to see a collab between you and Kristen Kavale. Oh, my God. Maybe I'll get back into doing interviews on the show, because I do love doing interviews. They're so fun to me. And I love Christian Cavallari. The issue was, like, I didn't want to, like, interview people. I didn't care about Kristen Cavallari. I would love to do a collab with I love Kristen Cavallary. I feel like there would have to be something. There'd have to be a reason. I have to, like, make that happen, but I would love to make that happen. Okay, let's see. Are we all in agreement, or do you all hate me because I, you know, Adrian Curry is on TikTok and loves not being in the spotlight anymore. She sells her Avon and is happy. Avon. Is Avon still a thing? Ladies don't sell Avon anymore. Debbie, now you're playing tricks on me. Her tv, her network TV would go back to it if it would give them ratings. And it's all about the money. Yeah. At the end of the day, it's all about the money. It's all about money. You know when someone threw water on Simon. Yeah. Oh, my God. Zach is activated. I did get a little Zachtivated because, like, come on. I felt like this is what the Bachelor has turned into as well. When it started, I think we were all thinking it was about finding love, and now it's about becoming an influencer. Exactly. Anybody? I'm going to say this right now, and this may be controversial. Anybody that signs up for the Bachelor in today's day and age and then wants to cry about the experience afterwards. Bullshit. Bullfucking shit. You know why I'm not signing up for the Bachelor? Well, one, because they don't have a gay bachelor, but also because I don't need to put myself out there like that. Like, we already know how the game works. We know how the sausage is made. And you know what? People still sign up for it. And don't give me that about, like, oh, I did it because I was hoping to find love. Off, please. It's insane. Tyra was a Victoria's Secret angel, was owned by Les Wexler, who owned Epstein. She was recruited poor, pretty girls. Not okay. We're not gonna go down the Epstein conspiracy theories now. Oh, my God. A gay bachelor. I would watch. Wouldn't that be crazy? It's not activated if the camera is still standing. That happened one time. Katie, that was a one time. Zach got game all on his own. He don't. He don't need program. Listen, I have. I guess I can. I'll tell you guys this. We've explored the idea because obviously there's a reason that you have not gotten a new season of Disaster Daters, but we have been exploring ways to revamp Disaster. It just. Ever since Jeff passed last year, we have filmed Disaster Daters, but the episodes just didn't. It just. It wasn't what it was. The magic is gone from the show. And I think the magic was our chemistry together. And the magic was our ability to just be so open and candid and overshare. And I think that's what people loved, is we were so unafraid of just being ourselves. Like, I've always thought that Jeff and I would. Whether it was together or not, would make great reality tv because we're just so unapologetically ourselves. And here's a fun story. We actually were part of a reality show. There was. This was 2022, 2023. We were approached to do this reality show, and there it was, a group of us, and we. I thought it was great. And I thought the group of guys that they had together was great. It was kind of like real friends of WeHo. But it wasn't real friends of we. It was more based off of the industry. And we just all happened to be gay guys that worked in the industry that were a group of friends. Some of us knew each other more intimately. Some of us became stronger friends. That's how Andy Lawany and I met Andy. Like, that's literally. That was the start of our friendship, was that show. Ultimately, the show never got picked up, but it was great. But my challenge on that show, I remember being like, I and Jeff was very much the same way. We did not care how we came across. We just came and lived our lives so organically for the cameras and. But other people were so mindful of their image, and they were like, you know, it was just. It was a lot of that. But so I say that. To say that, like, Jeff and I, that chemistry and that, like, bond that we had that you guys got to see on Disaster Daters was great because we weren't afraid to just fully be ourselves and let you judge us for that good and bad. We told our craziest stories on that show. And so when I was taping the new season, I thought it was gonna be easy. Cause obviously, like, I can carry a show on my own, but that show specifically Was a lot more challenging because I didn't have, you know, I didn't have Jeff to be there with me and to, like, carry the show with me. And his absence was definitely felt in the episodes that we did tape. And so I was like, I've shelved those episodes for now. We may use them in some way, and I may share them with you at some point, but we'll see. I'm trying to revamp disaster daters in a way that's fun, and one of the ideas that we've played around with is turning it into, like, a dating reality show where you watch me try to be a recovering disaster dater. Is disaster data still on the web? Yes. So disaster Daters, there's a whole playlist on YouTube where you can watch the channel. The first two seasons of disaster daters, you can watch it on YouTube or you can watch on Spotify as well. Disaster daters is on Spotify. It's on YouTube. It's on Apple. So you can, wherever you get your podcast, if you want to watch it, watch it on Spotify or YouTube, but you can listen to it on any podcast app. Oh, what a time. So sorry about your friend. Thank you. I miss him. I think about him, like, daily. To be honest with you. Zach would be an amazing bachelor. Well, we have thought about that, and we have explored that idea of doing, like, a dating reality show where we do disaster daters. But, like, you know, I don't know. Would you guys be interested in that? I mean, the tour tapes. People really like the tour tapes, and I loved doing the tour tapes. I'm so proud of how it came out. We have episode three that's airing this. That's streaming this Sunday. So I'm excited about that. Why is everybody saying, what? Oh, no, no, no? What? What? Oh, no? What happened? Why is everybody say oh, no? Who's. Why is everybody saying oh, no to Coco? What did Coco do? Where's coke? I didn't even. Did Coco say something in the live chat? What happened to Coco? Everyone's like, what? I know. Shop. What is happening? Coco. Oh, no. Did something happen to oh, Coco? TMZ is reporting Mary. Oh, Mary Cosby's son. Past O M. O M G23. You guys. No. Mary Cosby from the real houses of Salt Lake City on Monday. Unclear what the cause of death. Ugh. They're saying it's a possible overdose. Oh, my God. Oh, no. His wife filed for divorce a couple of months ago. Oh, my God. Wasn't here. He was arrested recently right oh, guys, that's awful. Prayers for Mary. That's awful. I mean, we saw. Anybody that watched Real Houses of Salt Lake City, saw how much she struggled with him and his addiction, and I can't even imagine the grief and the sorrow, and I can't even. He was so 23 years old. Oh, my gosh. Oh, that's awful. Oh, well, I don't want to end on that note, but I guess this is where we end. And Martin Short's daughter also committed suicide. That's right. So sad. So, so sad that these kids are going so young, so much life ahead of them. You have so much life ahead of you. You don't even know how good it can get. As somebody now in my 30s, and I know many of you, you know, have years on me, and, like, things may get tough in your teens, and things may get tough in your 20s. I mean, listen, it breaks my heart. Even as we were just talking about Jeff, like, I. I'm just like, you have so much life left ahead of you. Don't throw it away. It can get better. It will get better. You just have to have faith. Life is not easy, and I am so sorry that life can't always be easy. But trust me, you have the power to make your life good. You have the power to turn your life around. You have the power to create a beautiful life for yourself. There are so many times I could have allowed the world to beat me down, and I didn't. And I don't say that to me to make myself sound any more superior, because that's not it at all. If anything, it's that we can always turn our life around. We can always make things better. We can always find a way through. You just have to believe in your own power because it's real. And believe in a higher power as well. I think that's also very, very important. With the help of a higher power and with the help of the power that you have inside you, you can get through it. Guys. Yeah. Never give up. All right? On that note, I hope you guys have a great rest of your day. Rest of your Wednesday. I love you. I appreciate you, and I'm sending you so, so much love. Please continue to give a little love today. Spread a little light. Give a little, right? I know some people are like, ah, set your boundaries, protect your space, Protect your light, protect your aura. You can give a little. I think if we all give just a little more, just a little bit, right? A smile to a stranger, holding the door open for somebody, whether they say thank you. Or not. That's their own shit to deal with. But if we can all just give a little and be a little better and be a little kinder, then I think there's a lot more power in that. I'm not saying you have to go and save all the animals in the forest if you want to make an effort for that amazing. But I'm saying it's the little things that we do on a daily basis that are the more powerful, that are the more impactful. So give a little, do a little. Try to set out. Think of three things you're grateful for in this moment and then try to channel that outward. On that note, be sure to get ready because we have our Members Only Zoom Tonight. Members Only Zoom Tonight. So if you're a member on Supercast, you can join all access.supercast.com you can join right now. Become a member. When you become members during the lives, I will give you a shout out. Okay, I'll be sure to give you a shout out, but I love you guys. I appreciate. Hit the like button, hit the subscribe button. 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