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Wedding Guests DEFEND Taylor Swift Wedding + Shocking New Details from Tyler Robinson's Hearing!
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Zach Peter
tea on Taylor Swift's wedding as some of her wedding guests are breaking their NDA and given some exclusive deets to what no Filter but Zach Peters site.
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Lauren and Chandler (Pop Apologist Podcast Hosts)
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Zach Peter
Plus we've got some shocking new details from the courtroom in the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing. Lots. I hope you're ready for it. Let's dive in. This is no Filter with Zach Peter your go to source for all the latest pop culture and reality TVT surfresh all week long. Now let's dive in. Let's dive in and dive in. Wechelle what's up everybody? Just a reminder if you are a member of no Filter all access on Supercast Just a friendly reminder, our usual Wednesday Zoom call is getting pushed to tomorrow Thursday. So instead of having our members only zoom tonight Wednesday night we're moving it to Thursday night because I'm going to the Hilary Duff concert tonight so I will not be available this evening. So that should be fun, fun, fun, fun. I hope you guys enjoy your Wednesday. I'm sorry that I won't be there with you tonight but I will be back. I will be back on Thursday so have no fear. Oh my goodness. Why am I oh I'm making a lot of headlines today. IMDb, AOL, Kansas City Star. Hello magazine, People magazine, news.com Australia, Yahoo. Page six. Wow. And that's in relation to Taylor Swift's wedding. So yesterday on the show I talked about The Daily Mail story. Right. The. What was it? There was the story about how there was a wedding guest and the wedding guest or several wedding guests opened up in an exclusive to the Daily Mail about Taylor Swift and Travis's wedding and how it was unglamorous and there were long wait lines and they ran out of champagne and there weren't. There weren't seats for everybody to stand in. Yada, yada, yada. Okay. And so I covered this story yesterday and shout out to editor David, who made us a lovely fun clip of my reactions to some of the allegations made in the Daily Mail article. And we chopped it up and did a three under three minute. I think it was like 2:45 video of, you know, my reactions to some of the things, specifically, like poking for, like, Cara Delevingne who had to come early. And so it does appear that some of the details presented in the Daily Mail were true, others were not true. Specifically the champagne running out. I believe Dumois, they put together a response kind of debunking a lot of the claims that were made in the Daily Mail article and kind of, you know, for the most part, trying to add a little more context to some of the things. And so I thought they did, you know, a fine job of debunking that and, you know, clarifying that the wedding wasn't nearly as chaotic. That like, sure, like, you know, when people start lining up for the. When people start lining up for the. The buffet, it does appear that it was buffet style. And once people started lining up, like, yeah, there was a little bit of a cluster. But eventually they were able to kind of, you know, diffuse the situation. So this is from Dumois outside of Daily Mail. I'll take the Daily Mail article off the screen that way. We're not still looking at that. Cause that made a number of allegations. They ran out of champagne early. Guests were waiting around for a long time. There were long wait lines. And I was like, oh, my God, Julia Roberts had to wait in line and what next to Steven Spielberg? And they had to wait in line. How dare they? Well, this is according to De Moi Dumois reporting that sources who attended Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's wedding celebration at Madison Square Garden tell Dumois several key details have been publicly misrepresented. We're told that there was no champagne shortage and that cases were reportedly left over at the end of the night. I actually. All this talk of champagne. I now want some damn champagne. Like, I want a nice cold, cold, cold glass of Veuve A little Veuve clicker. I now want a glass of Veuve. So there was no champagne shortage. There was champagne that was left over. Reports of long buffet lines were also disputed, with sources deep detailing that there were more food stations than guests and that there were practically no lines. While there was an initial rush immediately after the ceremony, we're told it quickly dispersed as attendees spread throughout the venue. We're also told the staggering arrival times were not based on celebrity status. Staggered arrivals are common for large scale events and were done solely for guests convenience. Sources say there was no guest ranking system, no VIP section, and everyone was intentionally treated the same throughout the celebration. Couple of things here. Good to know that there was no champagne shortage. It's also very likely that. Because I want to say that like both accounts were probably true. Right. And so I think that usually at these types of events you have multiple bars, you have multiple food stations. Right. I think I read somewhere somebody left a comment about how I think they were like a wedding planner and they're just like, yeah, typically, um, it's one food station per 100 guests. So in this case you would have a minimum of 10 different food stations. That way, you know, there's, I mean there's likely going to be some lines, but like, you know, it'll trickle throughout the event or in some cases if you are doing buffet style. Cause some people thought that buffet was tacky. I kind of was on like, yeah, it is kind of tacky. But when you're dealing with that many people, it's really hard to do a sit down, seated dinner that's pretty plated for a thousand guests and where everybody gets to have their own personalized menu. Like that's just the logistics of that become really, really challenging. Especially when you consider like having to then freshly make all of these dishes. Where if you're doing like a carving station or you have a bunch of different chicken breasts in like one, you know, you make them all, you put it in the sauce, that's a little easier. And then people have their choice. Do I want the carving station with the meat? Do I want the fish? Do I want the chicken? Do I want the multiple? You have those options. So the buffet style can be done really well and can be more efficient. Right? Especially because like if you then are cooking and preparing a thousand sit down meals, like that takes a lot of time and then certain tables are getting served before others and it just becomes a logistics nightmare. So I was not personally bothered by the buffet style. I thought it was a little tacky but given the circumstances, given the number of people, it does make sense, right? Susan says just have chips and tortas. I mean, could you imagine just have a taco man? Why not? But so anyway, so I don't think that the food stations were that crazy. I do understand how at the initial start, sure, maybe the lines get a little long, but eventually, as people trickle out, you know, eventually the, the lines go down and it's not too crazy. And anytime there's a buffet, there's going to be somewhat of a line. So I think there were some lines. And probably at the beginning, if you rushed to get your food up front and you ended up in one of the first carts, yeah, sure, it probably took a while. Champagne. It's possible that some of the bars did run out of champagne, right? It's possible that they did have an overflow of champagne, but some bars, I think you're only stocked a certain amount. It's possible. Like if you're, you know, one of, if you're part of, you know, Taylor Swift's house, Ms. Staff, I'm pretty sure you're sat at the table in the back with the bar that probably, you know, isn't going to be fully stocked on champagne because all the good champagne is probably reserved for the front tables. Right. I highly doubt that there wasn't a hierarchy at this event, especially when, as they're admitting here that there were different arrival times for different guests. They're saying that there wasn't a hierarchy to that. I don't necessarily believe that because then how do you determine who comes early and who doesn't? So I would probably guess that as much as they want to pretend that there wasn't a hierarchy, I think that there likely was a hierarchy. You also know which guests are likely to ship up closer to the ceremony, in which class guests typically like to be early. Although from what I've heard, there were a number of people that were invited to this wedding that didn't even really know Taylor or Travis. They, like, had met them once or twice, which. We'll get into one of those stories in a sec. But. So I think it's. It's very likely that one or two of the bars ran out of champagne and all they had to do was run to another bar to get more champagne. Right? It's very likely. It happens all the time. I've been to a number of these events where they have multiple bars, and sometimes one bar runs out of a particular vodka or one bar runs out of champagne, or rum bar runs out of this. And typically if you just go to one of the other bars, they're likely to have something. But typically you also kind of stick to your own little burrow. And when there's a thousand people, this is a relatively big room, a big space. Right. So you're kind of walking all around. You would probably typically stay in your own little corner. So that, I think, makes sense for the food stations and the champagne and the celebrity arrival times. I don't. I believe there was no VIP section, but I don't believe that there was no hierarchy at the same time event. They just probably tried to do their best to not make it seem like there was a hierarchy at this event. Right. Dumois continues by saying guests also disputed claims of chaotic seating, saying everyone had a seat at the ceremony and the celebrations theme was a magical forest set inside a greenhouse, not a castle. Interesting. And then Dumois continued saying, everyone commenting about the food station. Oh, this is where they gave the context about how in a large event, it's usually one food station for every 100 guests. So in this case, there would be a minimum of 10 food stations. I would imagine there were at least maybe 12 food stations at minimum. Right. Because you want to have extra with that many people, you know, a lot of high profile people that aren't used to standing in line and waiting for a buffet wedding, you know, so there's that. Furthermore, there are some. Some photos that were caught and released by the Daily Mail. So in addition to the Daily Mail's reporting, they seem to have debunked some of their own theories in the photos that they exclusively obtained. So these are photos straight credit to the Daily Mail. You can see that there's even a Daily Mail. What do you call that? Why am I blanking? Watermark in front of it as well. And so here you can see the drapes, you know, the photos of Taylor and Travis, which is what the CEO of AMC claimed. It's how he described it with the big TT logo. When you first walk in, there's like this cream, light pink, peach sort of drapery. You see these childhood photos of Travis and Taylor throughout the years. And then you see the love photos of them together. And then we did seem to get a photo of what it looked like inside. And if you look at this, this does kind of add up to what the AMC CEO said as well about the. About there being about 75 different rows for guests to sit in. And so it looks like they had all of the chairs at Madison Square Garden covered in some Sort of like. It looks. What is that? Like a beige. Like a. An eggshell? Like a light cream. I guess cream is a better word. A light cream color covering for each of the chairs. There's a big green drapery in the back to kind of hide off the fact that you're in Madison Square Gard. And as much as they're saying that this was a greenhouse and not a castle, that, to me, looks like a castle. Right. Tell me if I'm wrong, but if you zoom into this photo, or you don't even need to zoom into the photo, it kind of looks like a castle. This, to me, does look like a castle. A lot of fake trees everywhere. A lot of green drapery, A lot of cream color. This, to me. Tomi's laughing. Not the white folding chairs. They're not white folding chairs. So what? It is. They're the stadium. Sorry. It probably looks like this from the distance in this photo, but not. We need to plan our wedding. I know. Oh, no, Christopher, you crazy. So if you look at them, they're not white folding chairs. They're the stadium chairs. No, there weren't 150 chairs for a thousand people. And this photo clearly debunks that. So it looks like there are all of these rows. It doesn't. I don't think anybody. Well, I don't know. These people here are kind of standing, but it looks like they're standing, walking into the castle for the ceremony. But if you do look at these photos and you look at photos, like, further in the back, towards the green drapery, they're the stadium photos that are covered in, like, a cream. I don't know what. Like a cream covering. Like a. I mean, to me, the coverings look a little tacky, too. But you keep saying buffet, wedding. It wasn't. Stations are different. Stations accommodate all. Yeah, I mean, it's still. It's still buffet style. Right? Isn't that stations and buffet? Because, I mean, I imagine the stations that you're walking up to, you have options in the stations, right? It's still a buffet. You're still. I mean, somebody, I'm sure, is serving it for you. It's not like the Sizzler where you have a salad bar and you're kind of putting all your own toppings on it, like. Yeah. I mean, it's. It's still like catering craft services. Susan says super bowl halftime show. Ish. Yeah, I guess that's kind of, you know. Was Beyonce at the wedding? I don't believe Beyonce was at the wedding. One of the leaks said 15 rows of 75 chairs each. Well, the AMC CEO dude that posted his long things said that There were about 75 rows of chairs. And that seems to add up to, like, what we can see from this photo. It seems like they used the stadium chairs for sure. Like the. Yeah, it looks like a portion of the stadium floor was. There was this castle. To me, it looks like a fucking castle. It doesn't look like a. A garden. It looks like a castle with, like, a secret garden outside of it. I wish we had photos of the actual reception. I want to see what these stations look like. I want to see how buffety it was. Mom unscripted said this damn wedding is a total disappointment compared to her expectations. What the heck? I don't think so. I mean, it looks. It looks quite lovely. Looks like she was trying to recreate her love story video. Oh, interesting. I don't remember. I don't. I haven't seen the love story video in a very long time. It's a love story, baby. Just say yeah. Danielle says somebody actually counted the chairs, the rows and chairs for this wedding. They need a hobby. I agree with you, Danielle. Who won the Chanel bag? There was someone that won the Chanel bag. She came. She posted a photo of the Chanel bag, and there were even the raffle tickets. I'm. Unless it was an AI photo, but to my understanding. Wait, let me see. Taylor Swift wedding, Chanel bag. Taylor Swift and Travis. Guess. Oh, yeah. It was okay. Yes, it was. And there was okay, so this wasn't AI this was totally real. There was a photo of them. Let's see. There was an actual photo that I'll pull up here for you. This is from People, and it shows the actual, like. So that was. So the raffles were real and there were actual raffle tickets. This is a real story. This is from People magazine. They publish this online. This is the Chanel purse. Jackie Tranquil, she's the one that won the purse. Who is she? I feel like the name is vaguely familiar. Who is she, though? Do we know? The mom of three shared a since deleted picture of the stylish bag in a joint Instagram post with her husband on Monday. See, a lot of people were posting for. From the. Drew Tranquil is her husband. I don't know who that is. I honestly don't know who that is. But okay. So at first I was like, is this. Is this AI? But it's not AI. This is like the actual photo that she posted on her Instagram. But has since deleted it. So it does show that there were raffle tickets and there were raffles, and someone did win the Chanel bag. So there you go, Claudia. This woman Jackie, won the Chanel bag, and she seemed very happy about it, so good for her. Didn't she walk down the aisle to her own song? That's what we heard. That it was an instrumental version of Love Story is what she walked down the aisle to. What, you know, to me is kind of tacky. Mimir says buffets have stations. Like an omelette station at a breakfast buffet. Yeah, yeah. That's why buffet. I mean, people are mad that I said buffet, but I mean, it's still buffet. Why post and delete? Well, so did the AMC CEO deleted. And then. Okay, so here's the other one. Here's where I got pulled into all of the headlines yesterday, and I guess today, because it's going all over the place. And it's because I posted. Like I said, Editor David made us a lovely montage yesterday, and I recapped the Daily Mail article, and in this, Tavia Hunt. So Tavia is the. She is one of the owners of the Chiefs. Her and her husband owns the Chiefs, which is the team that Travis plays for. And so she responded. She's married to Clark Hunt. And so Tavia responded, and she said that, like, she kind of debunked a lot of these claims. She commented on my video, and she said, this is such a false narrative. They did not run out of champagne. There were not long lines. Every single person was seated for the ceremony. The vows were spectacular, beautiful, heartfelt, and absolutely perfect. It could not have been a more fabulous experience. And frankly, it is inappropriate to say things like this when you clearly don't know what you're talking about. That is hearsay, not truth. Snap, snap. Pat the puss. Okay, Tavia, first of all, tone it down. And I did verify that Tavia was in attendance at this wedding. Not only did she post photos with Love Story as the song on her Instagram post, there's her and her husband, Clark. And then she posted a photo of her and her children. And then People magazine did confirm Kansas City chief owners Clark and Tavia Hunt attended Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey's wedding with their kids, Nobel and Gracie. So they did attend. That is confirmation. Here is her comment. And this led to a flurry. Headlines that came out. Chief's owner's wife, Tavia Hunt slams false narrative surrounding Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey's wedding. See in Page Six. Picked it up. Page Six. Said wife of Kansas City owner shuts down false rumors about Taylor Swift and Travis's wedding. The Hunts attended Swift and Kelsey's lavish Madison Square Garden wedding on New York City Friday. And Tavia left a comment on podcaster Zach Peters Instagram post in which he rehashed a Daily Mail report that quoted apparent guests.
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Lauren and Chandler (Pop Apologist Podcast Hosts)
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Zach Peter
Okay, thank you, Page Six. Thank you. A lot of people were getting mad at me, as if this was my own commentary or I had sourced these quotes myself when I made it very clear. I was reading directly from the Daily Mail, and I even mocked it in some points where I was like, oh, my God, Julia Roberts had to stand in line, like, how outlandish some of it was. So they weren't my original. It wasn't my original reporting. I was very clear. So I actually thank you, Page Six, for getting that correct, that I was recapping what was being said in the Daily Mail article. Those weren't. That wasn't my original reporting. That was my reaction to what the Daily Mail had reported. But so Tavia made it very clear. She slammed the falsehoods around the wedding, and, you know, she's doing the damn thing. Tomi says that's wild to have raffles at the wedding. I mean, at least it was a Chanel Raffle, right? Right. RN Explorer, thank you for the super chat. Thank you, RN Explorer 253. This is. This is to Taylor's PR. This wedding was still tacky, no matter how you spin it. The location, Madison Square Garden, the cafeteria lunch line, buffets covering stadium chairs, a raffle and ridiculous games was all tacky. I mean, it was a little tacky. I'm not gonna lie. You know, I mean, listen, you also don't need to go above and beyond to do the game. Like I did. Love the photos. I thought that was very lovely. I think that they did the best with the. The. The location that they had. I think the castle looked really pretty, even though there were a lot of fake trees. I think the trees looked really nice. I think they did the best covering the. The chairs. I mean, I would agree with you. It was very tacky. And there's like, you know, there's a way to do it that's very classy and very fun. But the games and the raffles and all of that like that. I agree. That is a little. The raffle, to me, is just crazy. Danielle says somebody won the bag at the hoedown. Yeah. Laura says, I don't think Taylor and I could be friends. Oh, you're classier. Than Taylor Swift. Tanya says station like every other wedding. Yeah, it's not. Well, no, because it's a lot of weddings. You don't do stations. They. It's plated. Right. And you play per or you pay per plate. People typically place their orders with their rsvp. I want the dry chicken. No, I want the rubbery steak. No, I want the salmon. That's probably gonna get me sick. Right? You make those decisions ahead of time. You post your menu and then they have the number of plates and then those plates served.
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Lauren and Chandler (Pop Apologist Podcast Hosts)
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Zach Peter
So no, I actually disagree. Weddings don't typically have buffets. Weddings typically have sit down dinners that are plated and served. I saw this article on People magazine. I was like, what? Get off my zag. Well, what did People say? People was the first to publish it. Wedding guest Tanya. Yeah, a lot of people covered it. The Kansas Star. I love that I'm in the Kansas Star. It says, on Tuesday, digital creator and podcast host Zach Peter took to Instagram, where he discussed negative comments that alleged unnamed guests have shared the Daily Mail tabloid about how things went down at the wedding. They described it as tacky and chaotic. Oh, they even shared my Instagram post, thank you, the Kansas Star. Hello magazine also covered it. Thank you, hello magazine. Did they even bold my name? They bolded my name. The report was rehashed in an Instagram post by podcaster Zach Peter, prompting Tavia to set the record straight in the comments and that she did snap. She set the comments straight, but she, like, got mad at me as if this was my story. I was like, I was literally just reading from the Daily Mail, which also is said twice at the top of the video. So, you know, Tavia. Tavia can tone it down. But let's see. Did the Daily Mail digital creator and podcast host discuss the report on an Instagram reel, prompting Tavia to respond in the comments? Okay, so see, everyone, for the most part, reported that correctly. A lot of times they don't always, but yay. Okay, was this person there? Tavia? Yeah, Tavia was there with her husband, Clark. Okay, let's take a quick ad break, and then we'll get into the rest of the Taylor Swift wedding news, because I have the wedding invitation or at least the save the date. And then we'll move on to Tyler Robinson, because there's a lot to get into there. We've all been there. Hunger strikes, and you're exhausted. There's something healthy in the fridge that you should be cooking, but you just don't have it in you for me. Eating healthy isn't about willpower, it's about the setup. Until I found Factor. With Factor, I'm hitting my nutrition goals this season without the planning, grocery runs or cooking. Factor has meals built around my goals, whether that's weight loss, overall nutrition, more protein or GLP1 support for strength and recovery. You can check out Factor's Muscle Pro collection. Every meal is crafted with functional ingredients. I'm talking lean proteins, colorful veggies, whole foods and healthy fats. Fresh, never frozen with over 100 rotating weekly meals. Okay, delicious, ready in two minutes. Factor shops, preps, cooks and delivers straight to your door so you have more time for everything you love this summer. I love Factor. It makes my life easier. It's so convenient and I never have to think about what's for dinner. Head to factor meals.com nofilter50off and use the code nofilter50OFF. That's nofilter50OFF to get 50% off and free daily greens per box with new subscription only while supplies last until September 27, 2026. See website for more details.
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Zach Peter
Sorry. I started typing an email and then the ad finished and I was like, ah, wait, I never finished. My apologies. Okay, so I do have a invite from the wedding. Okay, here we go. Or not the invite, but I guess the save the date. But first of all, thank you to Tavia for setting the record straight. I love that everybody's out here breaking their NDAs and like posting and deleting all of their posts. Let's see if Tavia actually kept the post on my Instagram or if she went back and deleted it. See Tavia, let's see. She. It's still there. And so many people responded to it. Oh, Maricel Patton responded to it from the Real Housewives of Miami. She said, buffet people seem really bothered about the buffet thing. Someone said mama Elsa would never. Yeah, buffet is a little crazy. I mean, I guess they're as you know, if we're gonna get technical with the semantics, like, sure, there's the. The buffet versus the carving station, but, I mean, it's all the same fucking shit. Okay. But, yes. Anybody else comment? Any other. I need more wedding guests to comment. I need more wedding guests. Grace says, true or not, whether Zach or Tavia are telling the truth, the wedding was and is still so, so tacky and gaudy, and no one can tell me otherwise. Oof. Elsie says a lot of tea being spilled for a wedding whose guest signed NDA. Just saying. Yeah, a lot of people seem to be. They signed the NDA, and yet they're all out here posting photos and doing all sorts of things they ain't supposed to be doing. But I guess when you have a thousand guests, it's a little hard to manage, but. So here is the official Save the date that went out, I believe, back in March, and according to my friend Molly Dare. Molly says that she believes Taylor Swift painted this herself. Rnxplorer says, congratulations, Zach, for the great publicity. Yeah, thank you. I'm very good. Thank you, Tavia. I'm glad that I get to be part of the conversation of Taylor Swift's wedding, even though I didn't get an invite, but apparently these people did. So this was from a gentleman named Greg James. He's a host for the BBC Radio 1 Breakfast Show. And so I guess Taylor Swift has been on the radio show before. And on the show, she told him that when he interviewed her, she told him that she was gonna invite him to his wedding. To her wedding. And it was right after she got engaged. And she's like, yeah, when? You know, when we see you at the wedding? And he's like, am I really gonna be at the wedding? She's like, of course. And to his surprise, she actually invited him. This is the save the date that she sent him, which I guess now he can technically release now that the wedding's already passed, but. So this is what he used. Sorry. This is what he received. And what I like is that they're all watermarked with the person's name. So if you zoom into the actual invite, it goes, like, up and down. Like, it go. It zigzags, or not zigzags, but it crosses over all the way through. So his name is written all the way. All the way. All the way. All the way. So his name is all over the actual invite. So if the invite were to ever get leaked with the official date and location, then they would know exactly who leaked it. And so in this case, they could tell that Greg was the one that had leaked it. But so he talks about how originally, he thought that this was a scam because it was like a digital link, a digital invite, which also makes it easier to track who received what and who shared what and all of that. Right. How many times did they open it? Where was the link accessed? By? Was the link accessed? I mean, if you live in New York and it was originally opened in New York, and then later that day it was opened in Los Angeles, then you can see that the link was shared with somebody because you can get the IP and the location and all that stuff. So I imagine they did that to try and track all of this. But, I mean, it's a cute wedding invite. I do think it was interesting. If you ask. Black tie. Yeah. It says you're invited. July 3, 2026. Manhattan. Love, Taylor and Travis. One night only, early evening, black tie. If guests are criticizing, then TNT clearly invited the wrong class of people. Well, they. They invited fucking everybody. Everybody but Blake Lively. Greg didn't even. Greg interviewed her, like, one time, and she invited him to the wedding, and he was like, is this real? Am I really invited? Like, he was. He thought it was like a scam. And then ultimately he was able to make it in and, you know, good. You better offer a dinner service. Yeah. Cat. Cat says, I think I read the car had to follow the exact route on the day or they wouldn't be allowed in. Yeah, I'm sure it's crazy. Erica says. Erica ceases. Genius. It's a good way to weed out the sellouts. Yeah. But, I mean, I. I'm actually. I'm still shocked that Greg was even invited. Greg's cute, too. He has a wife, though, I think, which is a bummer. But he's a cutie. Like, no wonder Taylor wanted him at the wedding. She's like, yes, you can come to my wedding. Yeah. TMC says, yeah, seating plan nightmare. But did they eat on their laps in the bleachers? I don't think so. I think the reception was in a different part of the stadium than the ceremony. Like, the ceremony had its place, and then I believe there was another section where they had all the food stations where people were able to. I would imagine there were tables that people would be able to sit at. There probably weren't. Well, I don't know. Like, do you think they were assigned tables? They would have to have been assigned tables, Right. With name tags and all. If they didn't have name tags, if they didn't have assigned seating. And this was like a seating of the wild, wild west. Just tables everywhere and it was a free for all. That, to me, is a little crazy. There had to have been assigned seating. Like, you had to have been assigned to a table. And there had to have been name cards. I mean, the buffet is bad enough. The raffle's bad enough. Like, please tell me they had assigned seating, because that's where that would be crazy if there was no assigned seating. What about Ryan and Blank? Did they eat from the buffet? They ate crow pie for dinner is what they ate. They ate their own miseries. Tomi says. Oh, my God, Noah. Sight and seating. That would be crazy. Yeah, that would be crazy. Greg, James and Taylor have known each other since 2014. Oh, thank you, Laura. But I would imagine they don't know each other intimately. They only know each other from, like, the times that she comes and does interviews with him. Susan says, yes, assigned. But people don't read instructions. That too, or people don't like to read instructions. They're willfully ignorant. I bet it was way more organized than we're assuming. I know. We're not even there. We're just going based off of all of these details. And listen, you know that there's always that bitch that complains. There's always a Karen who's like, the line's too long and this bar already ran out of champagne and, ugh, and my feet hurt and I need to sit down because my feet hurt in these heels. And we've been here since 2:30 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she's probably some bitch that's married to somebody that worked for Taylor Swift and is just lucky to be there. And she's gonna be complaining the whole time. Cause her feet hurt and her kitten heels that she hasn't worn in 20 years. But she had to because this was Taylor Swift's wedding. You know damn well this is so tacky compared to the Bezos wed. Yeah, listen, Bezos did it right. Bezos knew how to do it. Bezos had a party. The Bezos wedding was very excessive and very extreme. But that was a time, and people spoke highly of the Bezos wedding. So you also don't have a dry wedding. Who has a dry wedding? If you're having a dry wedding, you better damn well believe I'm not going going. I will send a gift in the mail, and my gift will be a box of champagne so that you can send it back and then I'll drink it. Zoe Kravitz, I bet, complained under her breath. Oh, I'm sure. Why are people leaking pictures? Why aren't People leaking pics of Adam Sandler. I would love to see what Adam Sandler looked like. Catherine's laughing at the kitten heels. Yeah, you know, it's some big back bitch with her kitten heels, and she's pissed because she had to wait in line for the chicken, and then the chicken was too dry. And what kind of millionaire doesn't spend good money on good chicken? That's too dry. And she would rather go to Chick Fil A. Fred, we're going to Chick Fil A after this. I'm still hungry. You know damn well it's always some big back bitch in some kitten heels. This all spins and counter spins. We don't actually know the facts. Yeah, we don't know all the facts. But I will say, people and the way they spoke about the Bezos wedding and the way that people are talking about Taylor Swift's wedding that were there, like, Tavia's, like, it was beautiful. The vows were beautiful. Like, that's the most they gave was like, it was beautiful. If all you have to say about the wedding is that it was beautiful, then it was probably fucking boring, I'll tell you that. Whereas the Bezos, we saw them on yachts with foam parties, they were talking about that hangover for days. They were loving that party. We saw them having fun at that party. So, yeah, Pam says, I've been to a dry wedding. Folks that drink hit the hotel bar afterwards. Yeah, you have to drink beforehand. Bring a flask to the wedding. Or the little shorties, right? The little. Little Grey Goose. Shorty. Little Jack Daniels. Shorty, sip on that from your purse, right? Don't be tacky. Like, people that have. Okay. Where I'm from, the hood. So where I'm from, people bring their own, like, ice chests to the wedding. Luckily, I've. You know, I've since evolved from those days. But, yeah, people come with their own ice chests with their own beer and their own, like, cut waters. It's a time. But, yeah. No, there's a classy way to. To bring contraband into the wedding, right? Like the Prohibition. Everybody goes into the bathroom, they're making their drinks, they're drinking it up, and then they go back and they're like, oh, the bride and groom, they look so happy and so not. I show do. Yeah, you bring your shorties, you bring a flask, you do what you got. You drink beforehand. You have your little party in the car before you have to go into the ceremony. You bring your sunglasses so that nobody sees your glassy eyes, you know, duh no way. Do you guys follow Jason and Travis? They seem pretty fun. They seem fun, but I'm just saying, nobody's coming out here being like, that was crazy, Mom. Unscripted. Said, I went to a black tie buffet, dry wedding. Diabolical is correct. Diabolical indeed. No one can convince me that having luxury raffles is not tacky as hell. Listen, Deanna, I. I don't care what you're raffling off a raffle. Like, what else do they have? A 50. 50? I mean, even with a Chanel bag, like, it does. No amount of Chanel bags can make a raffle less tacky. You can't dress up a raffle. It doesn't matter what you're raffling off. You know, Laura says Zach knows how to do it, that I do. One hitter check. Flack check. I do prefer a sit down wedding over a buffet. I don't ever do a buffet at a restaurant. Yeah, I don't do a buffet at a restaurant either. Even when, you know, they have, like, you know, when you go to, like, a fogo de chao or like, you know, those, like, meat places where, like, they have the salad bar and the charcuterie. Like, even then I don't even like going out there. And even when I do, it's like, I'll get a little, you know, smoked salmon and some capers just for the hell of it. 40s before shorties, bring a cola and put it in the trunk. Yes, but keep it in the trunk. Don't bring it into the wedding. You keep it in the trunk. Did you get to pay a dollar to dance with the brat, Stephanie? Oh, my God. That's. That's funny. Valerie says here in the south, folks bring coolers with beer and keep it in the bed of their truck and slip back and forth out there to the reception. That's how you do it, right? I'm talking about people that bring their coolers into the receptions and, like, keep it under their table so they can just go and crack a beer and like. No, no, please, no. Do you think it was a used Chanel bag, Tay just cleaning out her closet? No, that's even worse. No, I don't think it was a you Chanel bag. I'm sure. No, I'm sure what it was, it wasn't used, but I'm sure it was re gifted. I'm sure someone gave her that bag and she didn't like it and she didn't want it, and so she was cleaning out her closet and was like, okay, Here. Okay, let's move into the Tyler Robinson stuff. Sorry, we're spending way too much time on this damn wedding, and there's a lot to get into with Tyler Robinson. So let's. Let's shift gears, because I did try to go through the first two days of the preliminary hearing for Tyler Robinson in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And this is actually the first time that Charlie Kirk's family and his wife are in the same room as Tyler Robinson's family in court. And from what I've heard from people that are in the courtroom, it seems like a really relatively intimate courtroom. It's not very big, but. So Eric Kirk and Charlie's parents and I believe his sister released a joint statement together claiming that they won't be speaking out on this any further. They want to allow the justice system to have its process do its thing. Right. So also to clarify, because I may have misspoke, this isn't a trial, so we're not at trial yet. This is just the preliminary hearing, which is to determine if there's enough evidence for a trial to move forward. So that's really where we're coming in, where the prosecution's like, okay, here's all the evidence we have. And then the defense has to, you know, kind of combat that and determine whether or not this evidence is enough evidence or works to even have the judge allow for a trial, a jury trial to take place. And so this is where they're arguing whether or not there is enough evidence. The judge will make that final call. Couple of interesting, interesting tidbits that have come out so far or that I found really interesting. This is a big one for me, and that's the security at the. On campus the day that Charlie Kirk was killed.
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So it appears that security was extremely weak. And that, to me, just kind of seems off because, like, why was it weak? Is it always weak on this campus? And furthermore, why was there no, like, extra layers of security? I just. To me, that was like, was this intentional? Is this how it always is? Those are questions that we. I didn't know, necessarily get any answers to yet. But there is day three of the proceedings, which I believe at this point have just begun or will be beginning shortly. I'll let you know what day three brings and let me know if there's more that you want me to cover about. If you want me to cover the chart, the Tyler Robinson stuff, more in depth as it plays out. I foresee this going to trial. I think there's enough circumstantial evidence to be able to push this forward. But. So I guess there were six officers that were on campus that day, plus Charlie Kirk's own personal security team, which to me, from my understanding of how they described it, this seemed very weak. Even Brian Enten, he did a walkthrough of the school campus and shows how easy it is to walk through the campus, to walk onto the roof, and to see where Charlie Kirk was shot from, or allegedly shot from Tyler Robinson. So to me, seeing that walkthrough when Brian Enten kind of filmed it and showed just how easy it is, how accessible everything is. And then also knowing that there was no strong security system in place makes it seem highly plausible that he really did just come in and probably didn't even need to plan this weeks and weeks in advance, other than kind of like scoping out the space, knowing Charlie was going to be there, looking at the most plausible place to. To. To act from. To me, it seemed very plausible, especially after watching Brian Enten. He's a reporter at News Nation. He also does a lot of his own independent coverage for his YouTube channel. After seeing his video of the walkthrough of the campus and. And seen just how easy and accessible that rooftop was, giving you a clear line of clear shot to Charlie Kirk, that, to me, very plausible. So far, there aren't any eyewitness testimony in court just yet. We have a couple of people that have testified. Interesting that the medical examiner has not testified, nor have we, or nor will the coroner's report or the medical examiner's report that's not being released to the public. And so the interesting thing, though, is both the prosecution and the defense seem to be in agreement that they don't want that report to be shared publicly. They claim that there are details in there that are very disturbing and very private that they don't want released to the public. So for whatever reason, they want to respect Charlie's privacy and the privacy of the family, which I thought was a bit strange. But also it's coming from both sides, like the defense does. It was very clear that they don't want it to come out. But then the prosecution was also very clear that they didn't want it to come out because of, again, I don't know what those details are. All they said was, whatever it was, whatever the details are, and what was disclosed when there was an examination of Charlie's body. It's unsettling and, you know, really violates certain privacy. I don't know what the fuck that means. I don't like to me, that was weird. But no medical examiner that we know of that's going to be appearing at this preliminary hearing, which I hear from attorneys is a little strange. There's no in person testimony from Charlie Kirk's lover, Lance Twigs, his roommate, slash alleged lover. He will not be appearing in court. But I believe there is audio from an interview that he did with authorities that will be played at some point during the hearing. I look forward to hearing that. There's also, I guess, Turning Point USA turned over the footage and oh, Mamir says my son just called me a Zach, a zed head, because he sees me watching Zach every day for years. You're part of the Zach pack. But I like this Zed head. That's funny. Sorry. So I guess Turning Point usa, because I know that was part of the speculation is that Turning Point wasn't going to turn over any sort of video footage or evidence because there are people that believe that Turning Point is involved in this, this, you know, attempt assassination attempt, that there are people that believe that Turning Point is somehow complicit in all of this. But so from what we learned in court this week, I believe yesterday Turning Point has turned over all of that raw footage and authorities were able to use that to help build their case. This footage was shown to the judge for whatever reason. I mean, understandably it wasn't shown on the live stream, but beyond that, it wasn't even shown in the courtroom. I don't know if it'll be shown at trial should it move forward. But for whatever reason, the judge was able to view that footage and kind of visibly reacted to some of that footage as well. So we don't know exactly what that footage is. But the judge. There's a lot of secrecy in this. But the interesting part is it seems to be in agreement with the judge, it seems to be in agreement with the prosecution and it seems to be in agreement with the defense. So to me that's not too much of a conspiracy because I would not imagine all three of those parties would be part of the same government, international government cover up that's being alleged. So but for whatever reason, the coroner's report and the this specific footage from Turning Point USA was, was, it seems to be attorney's eyes only. The judge saw the footage and I'm pretty sure we'll use that to determine whether or not not things should move forward to trial. And I don't know if things will be different once we actually get to trial. I have seen some experts weigh in and claim that a lot of things are being kept vague. And it's likely a strategy from the prosecution. They want to keep things vague so that it doesn't give the defense much of a hand in preparing for trial and kind of doing a mock trial or using this preliminary hearing as a mock trial. I also find it. I find that a bit strange, but I do find it very interesting that Tyler Robinson himself and his attorney are not claiming that he's innocent. They're not saying that he's not guilty. They're not providing any sort of alternative theory. They're not providing any sort of alternative alibi. It kind. Their strategy to me is to just get the case thrown out, which, again, to me, as somebody that likes to follow a lot of these legal proceedings, this strategy, to me seems in line with counsel that understands their client is likely guilty and now is just trying to do everything they can to not allow the case to move forward right before they have to actually enter a plea. Whereas, like, look at Nick Reiner. Like, you have Alan Jackson that's coming out being like, he's not guilty. You know, you have all of these reports about Nick Reiner not being in the right state of mind and, like, alternative theories. Right. So much so that they're blaming the rehab facility and saying that them messing with the drugs is what, you know, caused Nick Reiner to not be in his right mind. And all ultimately led to the slayings of his parents, Rob Reiner and Michelle Reiner. So I do find that really interesting, and I think that's very telling that Tyler Robinson himself and his defense attorneys, his counsel, are not claiming that he's innocent. Right. Are they thinking of an insanity plea for Nick Reiner? Probably. Deanna says that doesn't scream innocence to me. Right. If they're not claiming that he's innocent or it's also very easy to be like, hey, Judge, this. This case shouldn't move forward. You know why? Because we have an alibi. Tyler Robinson was nowhere near this campus the day that Charlie Kirk was shot. Right. But that's not what we have. What we have is lots of new footage and angles of a man believed to be Tyler Robinson that, in my opinion, looks like Tyler Robinson. I know Candace Owens has come out, and she's like, no, that man from this footage looks 2 inches shorter. I'm like, how do you gauge 2 inches on someone's height based off of, like, grainy security footage? But there are multiple angles, and you see multiple security cameras in the parking lot on campus. There's ring footage. Like, there is an overwhelming amount of footage that places someone that looks very similar to Tyler Robinson on that campus the day that Charlie Kirk died, on and off campus multiple times. And there's video footage of all of us. It. So to me, that's incriminating. Now, is it a clear, you know, mug shot of, like, this is him smiling in the camera? No, but, like, the builds, the. Some of the characteristics, the height, like, it all kind of seems to add up. Unless this is just some dummy that, you know, is pretending to be Tyler Robinson because we picked this random kid that we're going to frame. So lots of new footage, lots of different angles. I know people are questioning the validity of the footage. Some people are thinking that the footage is fake or AI or are questioning whether or not that really is Tyler on the footage. I mean, to me, there are just too many angles and too many different cameras with somebody that kind of looks like Tyler Robinson. That to me. And again, there's no alibi, there's no alternative location that has been presented as to where Tyler Robinson was that day besides being on campus in that footage. So the prosecution believes that Tyler Robinson likely did this because he's gay, and he believes that, you know, Charlie Kirk was very openly outspoken against the LGBTQIA2 community, as specifically as it related to Charlie's Christian faith. To my understanding, Charlie is not and was not anti gay. Again, to my understanding. And in the videos that I've seen of him on campuses, he openly welcomed gay people into the conservative movement and often, often fought for people to not define themselves by their sexuality, which is something that, as a gay man, I appreciated. It didn't feel isolating from the videos that I've seen of his speeches. Like, he seemed to openly welcome gay people into the conservative movement, but also made it clear that he didn't necessarily agree with their lifestyle, but also made it clear that, like, what you do in your bedroom, whether I agree with it or not, based off of my faith, is your business. If you and I are in the same, you know, alignment with our values about, you know, put America first and, you know, all of these things that mattered to Charlie. He was like, as long as we're on the same page and we're advocating for a lot of the same things as it comes to our country that we have to collectively live in together, he's like, I don't care, you know, what you do in your bedroom. That's. That's between you and God. That's between you and your partners. Right. But also, he did make it clear that, like, he. He does not believe in a homosexual lifestyle because his faith tells him not to. And again, for me, encountering a lot of people like that that have those viewpoints, like, I don't. You know, I don't agree with every parts of their lifestyle, you know, so I think that we can have that. I think, you know, it goes the other way too. Right? You can share space and enjoy the company of somebody like Charlie Kirk while also not subscribing to his ideas about his family faith. You know, you can deny God is real. You can be an atheist, and that still doesn't prevent you from being an adult. That can still befriend Charlie Kirk or have a copacetic relationship or share the same space and enjoy your company. I think there's a lot of nuance in that that I feel like we've really eliminated. I actually specifically remember a speech of Charlie's, an old one from years ago, where there was a very strongly conservative Republican man that was very anti gay, and he was actually upset and wanted Charlie to condemn gay people. And Charlie Kirk actually did the opposite, even citing his faith, saying that as a man of God, he was taught to love all of his neighbors and to share the word of God with them. So he wasn't somebody that was trying to isolate people that had differing religious viewpoints. Obviously, there was a certain level of disagreement where there were people that he believed had a different agenda other than his, had values that were different than his, and those were certain disagreements. But. But it seemed like he was at least willing to meet people in the middle, which I think, to me, was the most unfortunate part of this assassination. Because if the motivation behind this, his assassination really was about this, you know, difference in political viewpoints, specifically as it comes to the LGBTQIA two plus community, I think it's unfortunate that we've conditioned people to see confirmation bias over nuance. Right. Things are so polarized. Things are so black and white. And when we divide things like that and we put hard lines in the sand, it only continues to create this level of polarization that unfortunately leads to instances like this where somebody is so radicalized and so angry at somebody else that they feel that the only result that warrants any sort of justice is by taking somebody else's life in open public. That, to me, is really unfortunate, and it just, you know, it really speaks to the political divide that I think our country is in right now. And it's. It is. Is unfortunate wherever you land on the Political spectrum. You can easily look at this and say that the fact that we've gotten so divided, that we've gotten to this place where, based off of everything that's been presented in the first two days of this preliminary hearing, to me, the story seems pretty logical. There are some loopholes that we'll get into. But it's just. To me, it really just seems like it's this political division that has radicalized people to really point the finger at each other and to now escalate things to this level, which is unfortunate. A couple of other things that came out at the hearing. There was an investigator with the campus Department of Safety who testified yesterday, which was day two Tuesday, he addressed there being a bullet that was found on another rooftop, which I know has fueled more speculation that there could have been a second shooter. And likely it wasn't Tyler Robinson that shot Charlie, that there was somebody else that could have shot Charlie. He claims, and he's not very confident in. In his answer either, but he claims that the second bullet came from a police officer who had a rifle. He describes it as cruiser ready. And so now I'm not gun savvy. I would in. If I were in the courtroom, I would be operating from the place of the jury. And I would imagine not every juror that would be on this jury is too gun savvy when it comes to rifles and, you know, changing bullets out and whatnot. So, again, I'm operating from the mindset of being a potential jury member. So as I understood his testimony, when he was getting the gun ready, something with the chamber, I guess, when they were getting the gun ready or loading it or something, I guess bullet. A bullet can eject at that point, and it can be an unfired bullet when you're doing something with the chamber to prepare the gun, to load it with ammo or something of that nature. I was trying to understand it, but again, I'm very illiterate in that world. But from what I understood, it was in the preparation of loading the rifle that ejected a bullet which would have been left and unaccounted for. So it appears this was an ejected bullet that wasn't actually fired that was found on a rooftop. And he's claiming that it could come from one of the police officers. To his understanding, that's what the official report stated, is that it came from a police officer who had a rifle. And apparently they do carry rifles on this campus, certain police officers, for certain reasons. It was a little confusing. He didn't seem to have much conviction behind his explanation, if I'm being honest. But this is where I think the defense will likely lean in to cast doubt. And that's the strategy that it appears the defense is trying to lead with, is cast doubt that these things are even real. But also, I don't think they're doing. I don't think they can do a good enough job because I think there's enough circumstantial evidence there to allow this to move forward to trial. But then there's this discrepancy with the ring footage. And a lot of the people that really believe there's a big or conspiracy going on here, they're really focused on this piece. And so that's that there's multiple angles of a man that they believe to be Tyler Robinson walking on campus or in and out of the parking lot. And the interesting thing is, Tyler was not a student. So it was weird for him to be on and off campus multiple times that day, which appears to be verified by the campus footage and the garage footage. So you can't clearly see his face. So a lot of people really aren't certain that it's him. But you see him moving all throughout the campus. And at one point, he does return with the change of clothes. He also appears to have stopped and had lunch at Chick Fil A in the middle of all of this, which is very weird and kind of creepy and just shows a full disassociation. But they also disclosed that he made contact with somebody at Turning Point usa. They didn't disclose exactly who or why or what was said, but they've confirmed that there was some sort of contact that was made with somebody at Turning Point usa. Now, for the conspiracy theorists, could this be a link that someone hired him from Turning Point usa? Possibly. Could it be a link that he was working with somebody at Turning Point usa? Possibly. Or could he have been asking about, you know, Charlie's attendance that day? You know, what time will he be coming out? How long will he be out here? Will people have. How close can you get? Or how do you get in line to, you know, ask a question like, I don't know. There could have been a number of things that he asked. Asked the Turning Point employees, who may have just believed he was just a regular person that was coming to attend. Right. But then there's this other footage that's really come into question with a lot of people that believe there's a bigger conspiracy going on. And that's where the prosecution claims is Tyler Robinson in his car, heading to Campus. However, the defense is arguing that that same neighbor that turned over this ring camera footage claims that from what they remember seeing, that there was a bald man with three other passengers in the car. So the footage shows one thing that the. The prosecution is using. And then the defense is arguing, well, actually. But that same neighbor that turned over that footage claims that he saw something differently. So the question becomes, did the neighbor get confused? Did this neighbor misrepresent or, sorry, misremember some of the details? Who knows? But it certainly casts a lot of doubt, which I predict the defense will lean heavily on, because, again, that seems to be their strategy is not to provide an alternate theory, not to prove Tyler's innocence, not to provide any sort of alibi, but to poke enough holes to show that this case, they're trying to get the case to not move forward to trial. That's the goal of the defense, which to me does not scream innocence. Now, were there more people involved? I don't know. Then you have this random other bullet. Could be just a coincidence, or it could be directly related. We don't know. We have to fully hear what the prosecution's case is before we can make any real determination. They do have DNA evidence that links back to Tyler Robinson, but now prosecutors also claim that they have DNA that links to his lover roommate, Lance Twigs. Twigs seems to be cooperating with investigators, seems to have cut some sort of immunity deals. What my understanding is, and apparently his DNA is also on the towel that was used to conceal the weapon and a screwdriver that was believed to maybe either assemble or dismantle the rifle at some point. Lance Twigs is not at the hearing, as I mentioned, but I believe an audio recording with police officers will be played and used in support of the prosecution's case. So far, from what we've seen during day one and day two, to me, it seems logical, and this story logically and plausibly checks out from my perspective. Right. But there are still some questions that, to me, don't fully line up. There's footage of Tyler on campus multiple times that day. We saw how easy it was for him to access the roof. The footage appears to show him walking with a limp right before the assassination took place, which to me tells me that it's possible that he had the rifle assembled and hidden going up to the roof, or at least possibly assembled in some part. Like, it could have been. Like part was in the backpack, part was in his pants. He seems to be limping in some way, which feels a little off and feels like he has something in his pants. Pants. Much like, are you just happy to see me or is that a rifle in your pants? I don't know. But we did also know that there was the towel and the screwdriver. The towel, to my understanding, was used to, like, conceal the weapon, possibly wipe off fingerprints from the weapon. The screwdriver, what's believed is it was used to possibly assemble or dismantle the rifle at some point. There's no confirmation of that, but that's kind of just the ongoing theory. We see footage of him running off of the roof into the parking lot. We have the messages to his lover, Lance Twiggs. Authorities seem to verify that Tyler Robinson did indeed turn himself in. And we've also heard that his parents also confirmed that it was him. So that all, to me sounds pretty logical that Tyler was there and he was the one who fired the rifle. Especially considering Lance Twigs seems to have cut some sort of immunity deal and is also working with the prosecution to provide. Provide more details and additional context. When you have the footage, you have authorities saying he turned himself in. You have the lover coming out and corroborating this, seemingly. The parents seem to also be corroborating a lot of this as well. I don't know. A lot of people are like, well, we haven't heard from him. We don't know what his side of the story is. But I'm also like. But like, this is a great opportunity for his defense to be able to, you know, put something out there to kind of, you know, provide an alternate theory. But so far it's. I don't know, it's kind of crazy. But. So now there are some parts that do cast out, and I want to get into those. One, the random casing on the roof. Right now, they've excused that as being a random bullet that was discarded. Something to do with the chamber by one of the police officers. Is it highly coincidental? Yeah, but I guess it's also plausible. So that one is not hard, incriminating evidence that there was a second shooter, but it doesn't dispel that. I either. Right. Two, the neighbor's account of the bald man with the three passion passengers. I think it sounds suspicious, but as we know, you know, people, when they are, they give their account to police officers. Sometimes their memories can't be too credible. Right. They misremember things. They get details confused. How often are we actually paying attention to these things? Unless you're actively looking for something and trying to remember it, it's very easy to fudge some of those details. And, you know, why would you need to look and pay attention to every single car that you're watching pass by? Could it have been a bald man in a car? Sure. Or he could have gotten that confused with a different car. Maybe there was a bald man that was there, but they weren't in Tyler Robinson's car. They were in a van or a different, similar car. Like all of that could be within the realm of possibility. I don't know. But sometimes those memories aren't the most reliable. But it's not enough for me to fully debunk that Tyler wasn't the one driving the car and he wasn't the one that was heading to campus. 3. Tyler Robinson making contact with the people at Turning Point USA on the day that Charlie was shot. I have questions about that. First of all, who and why? I think we need more context. I think this could be easily excused as some sort of benign interaction. I would imagine. Authorities tried to find out who that individual was and what conversation was had. Whether or not that individual is telling the truth, I don't know. But it's likely, you know, of Tyler trying to confirm Charlie's arrival or his planned departure times. That way he had a timeframe of what was going to be happening. Maybe it was before he went to lunch at Chick Fil a. We don't know the exact detail or the timing just yet. Right. From my understanding, it could have been when he was like, hey, what time do you think the event will start? Do you think it'll start right on time? And then they're like, actually, Charlie usually comes out about 15 minutes later, and he's like, okay, cool. And then he, like, probably went to go have lunch at Chick Fil a and planned the rest of his day out. I don't know. There is, you know, things that lie within the realm of possibility, but also questions to still be answered for. The gun did not appear to be dismantled when the authorities found it. Now, I know this is more of, like, the speculation that's been going on online. I tried to dig into it, but it really does seem to be confirmed that the gun ever was dismantled. That kind of seems to have been a working theory, and it really seems to be coming from the fact that you don't see Tyler Robinson holding a fully assembled rifle as he's walking through campus. You do see him kind of limping, which, to me, maybe gives off the impression that there was likely a piece of the rifle that was in his pants, that he was concealing maybe another piece that was in the backpack, I don't know. Then you have the screwdriver. The screwdriver did have DNA that linked back to both Tyler and his lever, Lance. The towel also had DNA that linked back to Lance. Lance Twigs, who is believed to be his lover, the one that we saw in the furry outfit. So the screwdriver presumably was to help assemble or dismantle this rifle, if that is what happened. We don't know that for certain, though. So my theory is that he may have had the rifle in his pants to help conceal when he was trying to get it up to the rooftop. It was never fully dismantled, and it doesn't appear to have been dismantled after the shooting. We do know that it was believed to have been fully assembled when it was left behind after the shooting. There was the towel, there's the rifle, and then there was the screwdriver, all of which were left behind that were found afterwards. Now, did Tyler Robinson act alone? I don't know. Was he really just. Was this all really just because he hated Charlie Kirk and thought he was doing some social justice? Save your work. I don't know. He seemed to really hate Charlie. The campus wasn't very well secured. He or someone that looks a lot like him was spotted on campus multiple times the day Charlie was shot. The rooftop was easily accessible. There were messages that seemed to indicate his interest and desire to kill Charlie Kirk. It kind of seems plausible to me based off of the information we've seen so far. And so far, the defense has not presented anything to really dispel any of this. That the only thing to me that is kind of throwing me off is number five. And that to me is the ballistics report that doesn't confirm that the rifle found was linked to the rifle that may have, that has the bullet in Charlie's neck. So that, to me, is off. Is that the ballistics report, which to me should have very clearly proven something, didn't seem to prove anything. And so that, to me, was a little bit of a red flag and a bit alarming. And so we don't have questions or we don't have answers around that, but I hope that we will get answers as more of the prosecution's case gets presented. Is it possible that he acted alone?
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Is it possible that he didn't act alone? Also very plausible. Also very likely and very real. But, you know, to me, what are the alternative theories? That Israel killed Charlie or that Erica Kirk killed Charlie or was aware that he was gonna die and did nothing to Intercept it.
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They sound like really good conspiracies. It makes for one hell of a story. But I don't know if they logically make sense to me because they're more of just like these theories, these webs that are being spun online that don't really have any anchor in any sort of evidence or plausibility. Whereas to me, the story that's presented logically makes more sense than it doesn't. And I know a lot of people have really come to question Erica and question Turning Point usa. And I'm not here to, to dispel those questions or those, you know, concerns regarding Turning Point and Erica. I think that there are a lot of, you know, things that are, that rub me the wrong way about them as well. But is there enough evidence to conclusively link to there being a conspiracy where they orchestrated this or were aware of it or any of that? I don't know. I. To me, I'm not, I'm not convinced of that. I'm open to that, but I'm not convinced of it. You know, know, but again, I'm open to it. We'll see. RN Explorer says I have questions about the cop testifying that the camera battery running out and didn't know who was. Who was the plain clothes man with the badge and the gun going to him. To the gun going with him to the river. Yeah, I'm saying, listen, there's a lot of speculation that he didn't act alone, but also it does seem plausible that he kind of did, that this. Maybe he needed some help. Maybe he had a friend or two that helped him. I don't know. There's a lot of, you know, a lot of things that are kind of up in the air at this point. But again, I'm kind of airing on the side of believing that this story is for the most part, the truth. I think there are a lot of unanswered questions that I hope we get answers to soon. Christina said this is the reason for that. It was a fragment, not a whole casing. Yeah. Jill says, Zach, we have renamed this video. It is T Day. Tyler Travis and Tyler Day. I think you mean Taylor Travis and Tyler Day. It really is all the TE's. Oh, we got another super chat. Thank you for the super chat. Poor Chunk. Oh, who's Chunk? Thank you, Fifi. Appreciate the super chat, my love. You guys are so sweet with the Super Chats lately. Thank you. So, yeah, Comic Mochi says. Did they say why the camera footage? Why? Why they took the camera footage as soon as it happened. Did they say why they took the. What do you mean why? They took the camera footage as soon as it happened. Mother of butterflies. Speaks French what? Okay. Hi, guys. Wow, this crowd doesn't like Candace. Listen, here's what I'll say about Candace. It's not about liking Candace or not liking Candace. I have a level of discernment when it comes to. To Candace's information. Right? To me, there's again, a strong level of discernment. I don't like to just buy into anything that she says, and I think that there are some people that just buy everything that she says. She's very articulate, she's very poised, she's very well spoken, and she knows how to speak in a way that hooks you. And I think that that's a talent and that's a skill set that she has that not a lot of people have, right to be able to hook an audience and to be able to walk them through a train of thought. Now, just because you're a good communicator doesn't necessarily make you more right. And my concern with a lot of the Candace loyalists is that a lot of people don't have that level of discernment. And so they champion Candace's ability to question people, but then they also tear down anybody that questions Candace. That to me is very concerning and that to me is very cult like mentality. If we're. If Candace is allowed to question other people, we should also be allowed to question Candace. And that's a. A board that I stand for or. Sorry, that's a standard that I stand for across the board. Right. I think it's fair to ask questions, but I also think we're all allowed, like, you know, you have to open those questions to yourself as well. And you can't just dispel people because you want to say that, that, you know, you're just speaking common sense or you're just believing what you see with your own eyes. Because it's very easy to use those statements and to weaponize them in a way that just makes you sound more correct when again, just being an effective communicator doesn't make you right. So I think that, you know, there should be a level of discernment that people have with anything that we consume. Right? With the official story, we should have some discernment with that. With the prosecution presentation, we should have a level of discernment with that. With the defense's case, we should have a level of discernment. And especially with Candace Owens we should have a level of discernment. I don't think we should blindly believe anybody at face value all the time. And I think when we do and when you start to defend people, that one you don't know personally. And maybe they make some compelling arguments. And I'm not saying that Candace hasn't made some compelling arguments. She's also been a little batshit crazy. But she has made some compelling arguments. Right. And she does have moments where she's been right about certain stories in the past. She has others that she hasn't been right about that she likes to brush under the rug and pretend never happened. And she only references the times that she was right. And that's fair of her to do. But I just think again, there's a level of discernment that we should have. And I think until we have more conclusive answers, we have to wait and write this out. But I do think like, you know, Candace was very certain that Tyler Robinson was not on campus that day. And she was, she had strong conviction behind saying that. Whereas Nat, to me, after seeing a lot of this footage, I do believe that that person on the footage is Tyler Robinson. And I do believe that he was on campus that day and I do believe that his defense team is kind of not dispelling that he likely did this. You know, so we'll see. Fifi, thank you for the super chat. Fifi says Chuck is short for Charlie. I often think of Charlie Brown when I think of Charlie Kirk. So sad death fell upon him for simply speaking his mind. That's effed up. I agree. Fifi. Okay, let's. Okay, Mom Unscripted says Candace lost me when she really had me in the past. I agree. I think she's hooked me in the past a lot stronger. This specific case, not so much. This case is what is definitely where she lost me a bit. But I again, I'm still not dispel, I'm not, you know, completely debunking her. I'm giving her a margin of space to prove that she's got more to bring to the table other than theories and webs of open ended strings that don't necessarily lead to anywhere. And a lot of open ended questions. Right. And picking apart the semantics of everything that people are saying. And I think she gets very certain with certain terms that she uses. Right. Whereas like if she gets into the semantics and somebody maybe misspeaks or doesn't give the answer that she necessarily likes or expands upon that answer later, she then like phrases that as you Lied. You are a liar. And I think those definitive types of, of words I think are really just meant to inflame an audience rather than to really call a liar a liar. Right. I think it's, it's more inflammatory. Gwen says she can question, but also needs some compassion, too. Yeah. I think there's a level in the middle that could be had as well. Well, right. That I think wouldn't polarize people as much, but. All right. That said, I know I've gone way over time and Donna Bowling is probably going to kill me for going late, but I love you guys. I appreciate you. Thank you for tuning in. If you want me to cover more of the if you want me to cover more of the Tyler Robinson case and more in depth, I'm happy to do so. Just let me know what you guys are interested in and what you guys want and I will talk to you tomorrow. Thursday. Reminder, if you're a member of no Filter, all access on Supercast, there is no zoom tonight. Tonight's zoom will be postponed till tomorrow. I'm going to the Hillary Duff concert tonight, so I won't be able to do tonight's regular zoom. But we'll just push it off one more day to Thursday, so stay tuned for that. I love you guys. I appreciate you. Have a great rest of your day and I'll talk to you tomorrow. Shout out to our mods. Christina and Lara love our mods. Buy them a coffee if you would like. In the super chat, they have posted their links. Hi Sullivan. Like, subscribe. 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