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Republicans contend with a fatal problem in the Texas Senate race and I've got three interviews. Democratic nominee for the US Senate in Texas, James Talarico, Pod Save America co host Tommy Vitorin, and Democratic nominee for the US Senate in Illinois, Juliana Stratton. I'm Brian Taylor Cohen, and you're listening to no Lie. Republicans have been contending with one problem after another in Texas. So first, James Talarico, who'd been consistently polling highest against either John Cornyn or Ken Paxton, won the Democratic primary. Then Trump endorsed the worst polling, Ken Paxton, who went on to win the Republican primary. But it was this latest update that poses a legitimately fatal issue for Republicans hopes of keeping the Senate seat. According to a new poll from Texas Public Opinion Research, which took place after the Republican runoff, not only is James Talarico leading Ken Paxton 47 to 44, but 30% of Cornyn runoff voters say they would vote for Talarico in the election. That is untenable if you are Ken Paxton. And lest you think that this was just some poll of, like, crunchy liberals, the same poll has Republican Gov. Greg Abbott leading his Democratic challenger, Gina Hinojosa, 46, 41 in the governor's race. Which means that many of the same people who are voting for Greg Abbott are also avowed voters for James Talarico now. And that all might be owed to the fact that Talarico has a net positive favorability of seven points, while Paxton's favorability is at negative 19 points. Also worth noting that Beto O', Rourke, who came within two and a half points of beating Ted Cruz in 2018, was actually trailing Cruz at this point in the cycle by about 10 points. The fact that TELO is up by 3 points is obviously good news if you're looking to flip Texas from red to blue, especially given the fact that this is going to be a very blue election cycle. And by the way, you know that Republicans are getting nervous when the two attacks that they've tried launching against Alarico is that he's a vegan, which is not true, and that he's not straight. Also not true. They are losing 30% of Cornyn voters and they're out here trying to convince Texans who, like the rest of America, are paying more for everything right now that this election should actually be a referendum on what kind of meat Talarico eats and who he's sleeping with. And it's worth noting that as the result of these lies, the Talarico campaign actually released a photo or a bunch of photos of Talarico's girlfriend, who is an attractive Latina. Probably not a bad thing in Texas, and probably not a bad thing with Texas huge Latino population. And it also inadvertently highlights the fact that Ken Paxton is in the midst of a divorce right now because he cheated on his wife. So I don't know, if I was a Republican, I would consider maybe not making this election a referendum on the personal lives of the two candidates. But that's just me. Now comes the buzzkill part. I presume some of that 30% of Cornyn to Talarico voters will eventually come home to Republicans and they'll vote Paxton. That doesn't mean that Republicans don't have a lot of work to do to persuade, which will cost them a lot of time and money and resources. But the question becomes how many of them will stay with Talarico? I imagine that Even if it's 10%, that's a huge coup for the left, considering right now independents are breaking for Telo 64 to 21 and moderates are breaking for Telo 72 to 15. Even a small chunk of Republicans would likely be enough to seal the deal for James Talarico in November. But that doesn't happen in a vacuum. That comes as the result of working relentlessly to persuade folks every single day. To that end, James is one of my interview guests coming up, so help him and the rest of our candidates spread the word as much as you all can as we head closer to midterms. Next up are my interviews with James Tallarico, Tommy Vitor and Juliana Stratton. No Lie is brought to you by Shopify. When I started this podcast, it seemed like I had to figure out everything on my own. Scripts, setup, camera, audio. It was super overwhelming and every day seemed to introduce a new decision that needed an answer. When you're starting off with something new, it seems like your to do list keeps growing every day with new tasks and that list can easily begin to overrun your life. Finding the right tool that not only helps you out, but simplifies everything can be such a game changer for millions of businesses. That tool is Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions and millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all E commerce in United States. 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James Talarico
It's good to see you.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
So James, first and foremost, as we head toward today's primary election in your state of Texas, can I have your reaction to Donald Trump's decision to to endorse Ken Paxton over John Cornyn?
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James Talarico
I don't think it really matters what's going to happen in this Republican runoff because we already know who we're running against. We are running against the billionaire mega donors and their puppet politicians, and that is embodied by Paxton or John Cornyn because both of them are deeply corrupt. Both of them are far more interested in serving their billionaire mega donors than serving the people of Texas. And, and so our campaign is bringing people together across the state, across the political spectrum to confront this broken, corrupt political system that both Paxton and Cornyn epitomize.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
And can you give a little bit of an indication of like some conversations you've had with Republicans or independents or non voting Democrats, whatever it may be in your state? Because I think, you know, obviously to win statewide in Texas, you're going to need support from across the political spectrum. But I'm just wondering what people been saying to you, anecdotal though it may be, that would give an indication of, of what the, the general feeling among Texans is.
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James Talarico
Yeah, you know, I've been traveling to every corner of the state, red areas, blue areas, purple areas, alike. I've gone from Beaumont in Far East Texas to El Paso in far West Texas, traveled from Amarillo in the Panhandle, all the way down to Brownsville in the Rio Grande Valley and everywhere in between. And we've had tens of thousands of Texans showing up to rally with us at these events. We keep having to move venues because there are. Are so many people interested in this movement that we're building. And I can't tell you the number of people who come up to me at the end of these events and whisper, I'm not a Democrat, like, they're in the witness protection program or something. And, and they all think they're the only one. But after you have, you know, dozens of those conversations at every event, you start to realize that this is a bipartisan backlash against the extremism and the corruption in our government and our politics. And so I think we're building something really special here on the ground. And you see it in the polling results. So it's not just anecdotal. We are seeing in every public poll that's come out in recent weeks that we're leading both Ken Paxton and John Cornyn. And so we are, you know, for the first time in Texas, in a position to actually win statewide, transform this broken, corrupt political system and change American politics in the process.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
And what does that look like, changing the American political system? Like. Like if Democrats are able to. To bring about a majority in, in the House, the Senate, ultimately get control of the White House, what does a new iteration of not just the party, but. But our system of government look like? What would you. What would you want done that we haven't been able to accomplish thus far?
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James Talarico
There are so many issues that we have to tackle once we have a. A Senate majority. But I would say the number one issue should be comprehensive political reform. It should be getting big money out of our politics. Banning corporate PACs, banning super PACs, overturning Citizens United, and banning members of Congress from trading stocks and enriching themselves while they're in public office. But it also should include going after the forms of corruption that don't involve money. I think we need a national ban to end gerrymandering once and for all so that we can have free and fair elections in every community, red communities and blue communities alike. So I think those kinds of political reforms are necessary to fix the system itself, because until we do that, we're not going to make progress on education, on health care, we're not going to bring down the cost of housing, the cost of groceries, the cost of gas. We're not gonna create good paying jobs for the people of Texas, the people of this country. So political reform, I think, has to be our top priority.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
And by the way, that's self evident because we have so much corruption that the Trump administration and these politicians are swimming in right now. And the results, or lack thereof, are a testament to exactly what you just said. We don't have better infrastructure, we don't have better health care spending, we don't have any of the things that Trump himself ran on because the corruption kind of prevents you from being able to even do that because there's no legitimate outcomes coming out of this, coming out of this government. To that end, can you speak a little bit about, and I'm just gonna kind of make an assumption here. Obviously we'll have a better idea tonight, but can you speak about, while we're talking about corruption, a little bit of what Ken Paxton has been engaged in over the last few years?
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James Talarico
Yeah, Ken Paxton embodies this broken, corrupt political system that we were just talking about. He was impeached three years ago by his own party for using his public office, his position of public trust to enrich himself and his donors at our expense. And that, that, that kind of corruption is the rotation at the core of our broken political system. It's why we can't afford anything. It's why we can't get ahead no matter how hard we work, because billionaires buy politicians like Ken Paxton and then those puppets rig the economy in favor of those billionaires at our expense. And so if we're going to start to, to unrig this economy so that it actually works for regular people again, where we can actually afford our, our gas, our groceries, our insurance, our, our housing, our childcare, if we're going to be able to do that, it has to start by transforming this broken, corrupt political system. It's getting that money out of our politics that is, that is the key to making progress on all these other issues that we care about.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
James, I've probably spoken to you more than a dozen times over the last few years now, and I'm always so interested in the issue of religion, especially as it relates to, you know, somebody on the left, because it feels like the right has kind of co opted that space for at least, at least my entire life. Can you speak a little bit about how your reaction to what we have seen thus far, not just with Trump and the right, more broadly, their attacks on the Pope, for example, but even just living how they choose to live Their quote, unquote Christianity in the sense that these people ran on protecting health care and making sure that people were fed and that the little guy was taken care of, that there was housing and rent. And when they get into office, I mean, we have seen them spend time and money on a reflecting pool, on repaving the Rose Garden, on building a ballroom for the wealthiest, most well connected Americans. Right now they're constructing a UFC stage on the White House lawn because apparently that's where their priority is. We have, we've seen a, you know, know, no money for food assistance or healthcare, but almost $2 billion to pay out insurrectionists from January 6th. And so just this, this kind of chasm between what these people say as, as self proclaimed Christians, but how they're actually living it.
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James Talarico
Well, you know, we're living in an era of corruption. We've talked about our political corruption. We've talked about the economic corruption where the top 1% owns more wealth than the entire middle class on this campaign. We've talked about the social corruption, the fact that these algorithms are tearing communities apart, pitting neighbor against neighbor and sowing division in the very fabric of our communities. But we're also seeing corruption in our religious institutions. We've seen scandals here in the state of Texas of faith leaders preying on kids, on vulnerable people. And so this corruption really infects every facet of American life. And people can feel that. It's why I think you're seeing such a backlash to this corruption, because it's everywhere across our country. And I hear from Christians all the time who come up to me and thank me for speaking about my faith. Brian, you know that my, my granddad was a Baptist preacher in South Texas. You know that I'm a Presbyterian seminarian. And my faith is guided by those two commandments that Jesus gave us to love God and love neighbor. And there's no, there should be no limits on that second commandment. We're called to love all of our neighbors, regardless of their zip code, regardless of their skin color, regardless of their religion. We're called to love everybody in our community. And I think that kind of love is, it's missing from our politics, it's missing from our economy, it's missing from our, our social life together. And it's also missing from organized religion. And so I think what you're going to see in this election and in the coming years is people coming together to try to take on this corruption and renew, restore, resurrect, to use a term from my tradition to Build something new. Something can come out of the ashes of these broken systems. And I do see the beginnings of that movement all over the state of Texas.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
You know, we have seen the beginnings of Republicans try to figure out how they can attack you in this race. One of those talking points they landed on was that you're a vegan. Can I just have your reaction to that? Because I have seen a non zero number of photos of you eating barbecue down in Texas.
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James Talarico
That's right. Yeah. Our campaign basically runs on barbecue these days. And if you. If all they have is lying about me being a vegan, I feel pretty good about our chances in November. I think it also just shows the. The extent to which they will go to distract from this disastrous economy. I mean, with the way the price of beef is going up, we all may be forced to be vegans at some point. So I'm going to keep focusing on. On lowering costs. I'm going to keep focusing on. On putting working people first, taking on this corruption so that we can unrig this economy. I think that's what Texans want. They're kind of tired of these games in our politics. The mudslinging and the nicknames and the trolling and the owning. None of this is going to lower our costs. None of this is going to increase our pay. None of this is going to cut our taxes. And so I think what we're doing in this campaign is bringing people together across all these divisions, standing up to the silliness in our politics, standing up to the corruption in our political system so that we can actually start delivering protections.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
I think that's exactly right. Like, this is kind of, in a way, the perfect microcosm for not just this race, but kind of our politics more broadly. I mean, we saw an entire 2024 campaign where it was just basically culture war. I mean, that was what they had to lean on. We saw the, you know, Trump is for you, Kamala is for they. Them was like the preeminent ad of that campaign, and it was focused on trans athletes and, like, these issues that don't impact regular people. And that's what Republicans kind of explo in the 2024 election. I think people are recognizing now that by seeing them try to wield that same playbook against you and focus on this idea of, like, making this race a referendum on, like, some bullshit lie about veganism. It's them like, we like, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Right? Like, we've been through this before where it was just Culture war nonsense. And that might have worked in 2024, but now, in an era where healthcare is being cut, food assistance is being cut, costs are higher, gas is nearly at its highest point that it's ever been, I think that's gonna fall a lot more flat now that people know that this is just a tool they wield to distract people from the real issues.
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James Talarico
That's right. And people are waking up to the fact that we're all being played, that we're all being pitted against each other by the people at the very top who have rigged the system against us. I mean, this is. You know, I started off this campaign by saying that the real fight in this country is not left versus right. It's top versus bottom. It's all of us. Whether we're a little more progressive, a little more conservative, whether we're black, white, brown, whether we're urban, rural, suburban, gay, or straight, all of us are getting screwed by this system, by the people at the very top. And so what we're doing in this campaign is bringing people together across these divisions to stand up to this culture war nonsense that they keep pushing to divide us and distract us. And I think we're seeing the fruits of this movement already. You know, we've recruited more than 45,000 volunteers who are doing the work organizing communities all over the state. We have shattered grassroots fundraising records, all without taking a dime from corporate PACs. And it's going to take a lot more work to pull this off. So I hope that the people watching your show or listening to your show will go to jamestalarigo.com and sign up to help, whether they live in Texas or not. We're going to need as many people giving their time and their treasure to this movement that we're building. And I think if we do that, if we do the work in the months ahead, I think we're going to shock the world by flipping this seat in Texas and electing a senator who's going to serve all of us in the state of Texas, not billionaire mega donors.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
You know, James, there has been talk on the left about. You know, we just spoke a little bit about what the talking point is. On the right, they're desperate, grasping at straws to paint you as a vegan, even as your campaign is fueled by Texas barbecue. On the left, though, we've heard a number of people float your name even as people start discussing the prospect of a President maybe in 2028, maybe beyond. And I'm not gonna ask you about the prospect of you running for president? Because I've heard that question be posed to you before, and you rightfully have said that your focus is on this race and. But what does it say more broadly about what your campaign and you have been able to accomplish in such a short amount of time that. That your name is included in that conversation?
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James Talarico
Well, I think that people really get the sense that there's something broken in this country. Our political system is broken, our economic system is broken. But even our relationships with each other feel broken. And that's because the most powerful people in the world want it that way. The people who own the algorithms, the people who own the cable news networks, the people who own the politicians fighting on our screens, they want us at each other's throats. They want us focused on how we're different instead of on how we're the same. And so they divide us by party, by race, by gender, by religion. So we don't notice that they are picking our pockets, that they're closing our public schools, they're gutting our health care, they're raising taxes on all of us while they cut taxes for themselves. It's the oldest strategy in the world. Divide and conquer. And everywhere I go across the state of Texas, I feel that people are hungry for a different kind of politics. Not one that's based on fear or hate or division, but one that's focused on love, on a love for this country, a love for our neighbors, a love for what we can achieve together. And that's what I think our campaign is offering people. It's been a long time since politics has made us feel hopeful. It's made us feel angry, it's made us feel terrified. But it hasn't moved us towards something good and hopeful in a long time. And I think our campaign is starting to turn the page on this politics everybody's sick of.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Last question here. I'm sure that you've encountered folks in Texas for whom their political affiliation is really completely intertwined with their identity. In fact, I think that the political parties have a vested interest in making people. In making sure that people can say, I'm a white man, Christian and a Republican, that being as big a part of their identity as their religion or their sex, whatever it may be. How have you found it's been the most effective to persuade folks for whom their political affiliation is their identity? Because it's probably not just as, you know, it's not as easy as just being able to say, like, hey, I'm an undecided voter. Whoever's gonna. Whoever has the better ideas. You know, my vote's up for grabs. These are people maybe whose grandparents voted for Republicans and whose parents voted for Republicans, and they voted for Republicans their entire lives. I'm sure you've, you've encountered something like that. And so what, what has been effective in those instances?
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James Talarico
Yeah, you know, I think a lot of people are feeling disillusioned about politics. A lot of the people in my family, in, in my, in my community, the people I, I grew up with, that voted for Donald Trump In 2024, they voted for him because they thought he would lower costs. They thought he would end the forever wars. They thought he would release the Epstein files and drain the swamp. And, and they've seen in just the first year of this administration that the President has done the exact opposite, that he has raised prices through his crazy tariffs. He has started new forever wars, including the one in Iran. He has redacted and protected the Epstein files and kept them from public view. And he has made the swamp even bigger, bigger than it's ever been before. And so they're starting to question some of what they believed about politics and politicians. And what I'm trying to do is reach out to those people, extend an open hand rather than a closed fist. I'm not interested in relitigating the 2024 election. If you're sick and tired of this extremism and this corruption, then you have a place in this movement that we're building. And we're speaking to some deeper identities, the identity we all share as Texans. The word Texas comes from that caddo, Native American word for friend. And what's interesting is that they didn't use that word to describe a friend in their own tribe. They used it to describe a friend in a different tribe. Friendship across these lines of difference, through these differences. And that's exactly what makes Texas so special. We're this big mashup of all these different people and cultures and food and music. And it's why our state is so innovative. Our technology, our industries, our, our art, it defines the world because of that spirit of friendship. And we're always welcoming new friends and new ideas into our state. And I think we need a senator who's going to, who's going to honor that, that legacy, who's going to embody those old school Texas values. And I think the values are going to make a comeback in, in this race, in this year, in this state.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Well, James, it is a pleasure and an honor watching your campaign. I'm so excited to watch you shock the world just a few months from now. Highly recommend for anybody who's watching. If you're able to contribute to this campaign, I'm going to put the link to his website right here on the screen and also in the post description. If you're listening on the podcast, I'm going to throw it in the show notes and let's get this thing over the finish line. James, thanks so much for taking the time.
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James Talarico
Thanks Brian.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
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Tommy Vietor
Don't talk about them in that tone.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
The Commodores, Bret Michaels, Morris Day, in the Time, Vanilla Ice, the list goes on and on. Flo Rida, Flo Rida. But those people can really stand onto themselves. The news now is that a number of these people have opted to drop out once they found out they were actually a part of this event. Some not even knowing that they were, that they were signing up for Trump's political event in the first place. And that includes Young MC and Morris Day in the Time. Both are the first ones to immediately announce that they have withdrawn their participation from this event. But it actually gets even worse because we now have a situation where there is some counter programming. Granted, it's not at the exact same time, but counter programming that's popped up. Bruce Springsteen, the Foo Fighters and Dave Matthew Band are all gonna headline their own festival happening just a few weeks after that. And that's gonna be in Maryland, where all proceeds from ticket sales go to the organization's Vote Riders and the Headcount, both voting rights organizations. So what do you think Trump's reaction is gonna be when he finds out that, you know, his not quite so star studded event and even less star studded now is gonna have some, you know, not immediate counter programming, but some counter programming nonetheless from some actual big names.
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Tommy Vietor
Imagine if Young MC just busted a move over to the. Just went to the Bruce Springsteen event out of here. Young MC also wrote, co wrote Funky Cold Medina for Tone Loke. So there's some talent there. That's a big. It's a big drop. I mean, this list of performers would have been cool in like, what, 1989, 1990. Vanilla Ice, what are we talking about here?
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Brian Tyler Cohen
I was literally born in 1989.
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Tommy Vietor
That's cool. Vanilla Ice is always at Mar a Lago these days. Milli Vanilli, like, I think one of them tragically passed away also. They were lip syncing the whole time. Bret Michaels, like, what are we, what are we doing here? This is just. It's such a lame look for the nation.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Well, you know what was surprising about this is we have kind of entered this era where at least in 2024, where it wasn't so disqualifying for these entertainers and musicians to align themselves with Trump. I mean, we saw these podcasters, we saw all of these people who would, you know, look, you worked in the Obama. Yeah, you worked in the Obama administration. I grew up. I remember being in college when, when Obama was president. It would be social suicide to have like, sided with like Mitt Romney or like John McCain. Like, Obama was cool. And regardless of where you were on the, on the, you know, socioeconomic spectrum, like everybody who was young was, was overwhelmingly in support of Obama. That wasn't the case. You know, if you Fast forward to 2024 and yet to be in a position now where once again, the best he could do is Vanilla Ice really goes to show that, like, he has just completely decimated every ounce of political capital that he built up.
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Tommy Vietor
Yeah, it is a really sad list of like, also rans and has beens and one hit wonders. I mean, the Commodores, I don't know if Lionel Richie is going to perform with them or not. I mean, I guess they had some talent, but yeah, it's tough, man. Also, like, you would hope that an event like this would transcend partisanship. I mean, it's the 250th birthday of our nation. Presumably if you weren't just the worst president ever and a huge asshole about everything all the time, you could have booked some really great acts who would like to showcase their talents in front of, I don't know, the entire country, but here we are. Milli Vanilli and Vanilla Ice.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Well, you know, that's not the only way that Donald Trump is going to celebrate our 250th birthday because he's also decided, well, you know what, I'll let Scott Bessen explain because I think he can do much better than I could.
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Tommy Vietor
He's an expert in this field.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
You said that it's up to Congress. The President's face is on a $250bill, but it is actually the Washington Post that's reporting two political appointees from the Treasury Department who have asked agencies to be ready to do that. Do you think politically it's a good idea? Idea to put his face on a
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James Talarico
$250 bill when people are struggling for
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Brian Tyler Cohen
more gas and gas.
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James Talarico
Again, I don't really understand this Washington Post article that. Who hears from the Post?
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Yep.
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James Talarico
Terribly written, terribly edited. Because basically what it says is that treasury is following the law and that we've created the bill and that it's up to Congress, but that we follow the bill and it's up to. I didn't really understand what the story was.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
He's such a goober.
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Tommy Vietor
Looks like a bitchy chipmunk.
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James Talarico
Who wrote the.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Also, like grammar, editing is your red line. You're in Donald Trump's administration. The guy doesn't know how to spell anything. He capitalizes random words. In the middle of every sentence that he writes.
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Tommy Vietor
And he tweets like he's having a stroke at all times.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Exactly. And so that's the part that he
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Tommy Vietor
takes issue with horrible editing on this story. I'm sorry. Yeah, you wanted the lead.
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James Talarico
Up top.
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Tommy Vietor
What are we talking about?
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Brian Tyler Cohen
He is like. I could barely jump into the. Into the merits of the story because I was so. I was so caught off guard by. By non use of the oxford comma.
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Tommy Vietor
It's amazing that, you know, the 250th anniversary of our country will include currency featuring our worst president for the most useless piece of currency I could ever imagine. Like, when would you ever need a $250bill? What are you buying?
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Brian Tyler Cohen
It's also a really great microcosm for. For what this president in particular represents. Like a bill that is only. That's only accessible to the wealthiest, richest,
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Tommy Vietor
richest people in the country.
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James Talarico
Yeah, for sure.
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Tommy Vietor
Yeah. He also apparently put his personal signature on, like, a series of $100 bills. So I'm sure there's a lot of club promoters in Miami who are psyched to do blow off a Donald Trump signed $100 bill. Great work, Brian. The thing about this is amazing. So the artist who is designing the look for this $250 bill said he spoke to Trump directly about it. And worse, the guy is British. This guy told the Washington Post, quote, he likes to call me his favorite British artist. Said Alexander, a former competitive swimmer and DJ who describes himself as a royal portrait artist of Queen Elizabeth II and others.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
This is like when Trump promised that his. His new cell phone would be manufactured in America. And slowly that devolved into it would be manufactured with American ideals in mind.
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Tommy Vietor
It was like a Huawei phone.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
It's like. It's like last year's model of some phone that cost, you know, nothing.
- [34:21]
Tommy Vietor
Bought in bulk on TEMU or whatever. Yeah.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
And now they're just, you know, like 6xing the price so that they can. I mean, granted, they haven't delivered a single phone. I think it was. They did 590,000 pre orders, so they made $59 million. Not a single phone has been delivered yet.
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Tommy Vietor
Well done, everybody.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Yeah, Those are the American values in mind.
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Tommy Vietor
That is like the ultimate grift of grifting. When I was reading about this, I saw that the official who has direct oversight over the US Mint is a former Georgia state senator, who, of course, back to the 2020 election lies. So that's how you get a job kind of pushing forward the $250bill with Trump's face on it.
- [34:57]
Brian Tyler Cohen
And, you know, the interesting part is Scott Besson is claiming that the ball is now in Congress's court to follow the law and deny this, because it's not even. Not even legal to have a living president's portrait on. On any. On any currency. But. But I wonder if Congress is even going to have the backbone to do that. I mean, look what happened to Thomas Massie and Bill Cassidy and John Cornyn. These are people. You know, look, these aren't even, like, crunchy liberals. Like, Thomas Massie voted with Republicans on everything other than pedophilia. Like, so he's pretty damn conservative. The guy sends out Christmas cards every year with his family holding AR15s. John Cornyn has pictures posted online of him reading the Art of the Deal. These guys are up Trump's ass farther than most people. And yet even that wasn't good enough for this president. And so you have to imagine, if anybody's gonna step out of line in this slate of existing lawmakers or senators, then they kind of know what's coming for them because they just saw it happen to Massie, Cassidy, and Cornyn.
- [35:56]
Tommy Vietor
Yeah, if I'm John Thune and I get this embarrassing request to make a $250bill with Trump's face on it, I stick that sucker right in the drawer and I just let it die. Like, fuck him. Why are you going to go out on a limb for him if you're John Cornyn or Bill Cassidy or Thom Tillis?
- [36:11]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Oh, totally for them. But what about the other people? What about John Thune recognizing the vote like the voters?
- [36:17]
Tommy Vietor
But maybe.
- [36:17]
Brian Tyler Cohen
I mean, yeah, I mean, look, the Trump has shown that what he cares about are his vanity projects. I mean, he has the ballroom. You have the. The walkway through the Rose Garden. You have the Rose Garden itself, which was repaved. You have the Qatari jet that was retrofitted to the tune of a billion dollars that we paid for the reflecting pool, the Trump Arch. He has his name on the Kennedy Center. He has his picture on these banners across the Department of Labor and the Department of Justice. So it's these vanity projects that Trump cares about more than anything. And so now you're a Republican elected official, and you have to decide what's gonna be more important, is it signing onto this thing and sending yet another message, the umpteenth fucking message to your voters that you are going to focus all of your attention on, on heaping more praise and attention onto Dear Leader while Americans are hurting? Or are you Going to side with your voters and risk, you know, being on the receiving end of a mean tweet or being. Being on the receiving end of Trump's ire or a primary challenge for a guy who has primaried people for less.
- [37:20]
Tommy Vietor
It's so dumb. I would just let it die if I were Thune.
- [37:23]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Yeah, well, there is yet another instance of Trump's vanity projects, and that is this new, this new UFC match that they're setting up for on the. I think we have a clip here that shows a little bit of the progress as to where we're at. June 14th, we're having a big fight. State banquets, Easter egg hunts, and now cage fighting.
- [37:45]
James Talarico
President Trump's latest bid for a massive spectacle at the White House is a UFC event in front of thousands of fans on the South Lawn.
- [37:53]
Brian Tyler Cohen
You can see they're building the arena behind me ahead of the event on June 14.
- [37:57]
James Talarico
Thousands of fans expect. Critics say it's nothing better than human cockfighting.
- [38:02]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Making the most of all the beautiful historic landmarks here in Washington D.C. not least right here at the Lincoln Memorial,
- [38:09]
James Talarico
where they'll hold pre fight press conferences and the weigh ins ahead of the fights on June 14th.
- [38:15]
Brian Tyler Cohen
No, no, no. Calm down, Tommy. That's not what they meant by different cockfight. Different cockfight.
- [38:19]
Tommy Vietor
Why is GB News sending teenagers to
- [38:22]
James Talarico
cover our White House?
- [38:23]
Tommy Vietor
Feels disrespectful. No, you can't send us an adult, someone like, of drinking age to cover the Trump administration.
- [38:29]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Well, in fairness, he's of drinking age in the uk. Oh, right. So, I mean, just like another look, if you were, if you were like in a writer's room for an after school special, writing about, like a situation where the President just didn't give a shit about regular people, but was focused on these specials, this is, this is what it would look like. I mean, this is so it's like offensively in your face, not caring about regular people. Out of touch.
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Tommy Vietor
Yeah, it's a fight. Look, I think Trump was very smart to be buddies with Dana White, to build that relationship over decades, to go to a bunch of UFC events. I just think it helped him politically in 2024, like reach an audience. But hosting the UFC on the White House grounds, making this a big thing when voters are rip shit pissed about gas prices, grocery prices, the prices of everything, it could. It, it very much risks seeing seeming just like weird and out of touch and like a spectacle that is for elites and donors and VIPs and nobody else. Because you know this thing is going to be chocked Full of celebrities and, you know, administration officials and people that cut big checks.
- [39:37]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Yeah. I mean, we might see such names as Brett Michaels or the Commodores or a C plus C music factory or
- [39:44]
Tommy Vietor
Chris C. Or Energy Secretary Chris Wright, you know, like Tulsi Gabbard. Although she just got probably not her canned.
- [39:54]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Yeah, yeah. I mean, no, but you're right. I think this is like, this is. Look, it would be bad enough if this stuff was happening at the hands of an administration that didn't care about what regular people were contending with, but it's so much worse given the fact that Trump got elected on the back of this idea that Americans couldn't afford daily life in this country. I mean, he spoke about housing and rent and groceries. That old fashioned word. It's an old fashioned word. Probably don't recognize the groceries.
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Tommy Vietor
Yeah, it's very old timey.
- [40:21]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Old timey.
- [40:22]
Tommy Vietor
That was the thing you put in your wagon when you were correct.
- [40:25]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Exactly. I mean, he talked about the price of an egg, and yet now, like, as soon as he gets what he needs from these people, you know, now he just moves forward.
- [40:34]
Juliana Stratton
Time.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Now it's party time. Now it's. Now it's, let's launch a trade war that sends the price of everything surging. Let's cut health care, cut food assistance, make sure that we start a war that we promised would never happen, which sends the cost of gas to almost as highest point ever. And as for us, let's paint this fountain.
- [40:50]
Tommy Vietor
We gotta paint some fountains.
- [40:51]
Brian Tyler Cohen
But first, daddy needs a plane.
- [40:53]
Tommy Vietor
Yeah, let's bust a move over to that fountain and paint it blue.
- [40:56]
Brian Tyler Cohen
And finally, you know, I was gonna end here.
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Tommy Vietor
Milli Vanilli's out.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Milli. Oh, well, this is breaking.
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Tommy Vietor
Milli Vanilli singer Jordi Rocco told the Associated Press that neither she, her sister Linda Rocco, or any of the other group members had been asked to come. How do you announce someone you haven't even asked invited to this thing?
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Brian Tyler Cohen
So that makes Milli Vanilli Young MC Morris Day and the time all dropping out before within 24 hours of this thing even being announced.
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Tommy Vietor
You didn't have the time to do this.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Yeah, well, alas, I was gonna end it here, Tommy, but I actually thought, you know, just a few days ago, I was minding my own business, sitting at home and watching my favorite show, Pod Save America, on YouTube. Y' all should subscribe if you're not yet subscribed. And I came across this clip right here.
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Tommy Vietor
YouTube is a tough business. Politics is a tough business. Right One day you ride that algorithm up, up, the next day it rides you down. Don't we know it. Right? And it can lead to some tough times. Like this.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Link in my bio I just want
- [42:12]
James Talarico
to keep as my ringtone. Brian's doing some thirst traps.
- [42:16]
Tommy Vietor
Posting a shirtless thirst trap. What is going on? The comment section was popping off, so.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Tommy, I watched that, and I figured it would be so unfair for me to gatekeep that wonderful moment for charity, and it is for women's heart health. So I figured, why not give you the opportunity as well, to make sure that you could crush your own watermelon in between your thighs.
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Tommy Vietor
Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, I absolutely won't be doing this at the office with pants on, but I appreciate the opportunity.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Also brought you shorts, so. And we have a tarp set up right over here, so everything's gonna be clean. Your pants will be spared, and you'll crush a watermelon for women's heart health. Unless, Tommy, you don't care about women's heart health.
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Tommy Vietor
I gotta. I hate to break it to you. I'm a big fan of heart attacks for women, and so I won't be doing this. I'm not gonna play your cynical little watermelon fucking.
- [43:12]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Are you not gonna crush the watermelon?
- [43:14]
James Talarico
No.
- [43:16]
Brian Tyler Cohen
What do we do in this? In this instance, can't the producer step in here?
- [43:20]
Tommy Vietor
I want me to take my pants off and crush a watermelon.
- [43:23]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Yeah, that's exactly what we're trying to get you to do.
- [43:25]
Tommy Vietor
I don't think so.
- [43:27]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Do you think that you can't do it?
- [43:29]
Tommy Vietor
Not even for a second do I think I can't do this? I think this thing will crush me before I crush it. I don't know how you did that.
- [43:36]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Well, let the record show I'm joined now by the Lieutenant Governor of Illinois and Democratic nominee for the US Senate in Illinois, Juliana Stratton. Thanks so much for joining me.
- [43:49]
Juliana Stratton
Thanks for having me.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
So I know that you have been particularly outspoken about the Voting Rights act and especially the Supreme Court decision gutting Section 2 of the Voting Rights act, the Calais decision. And right now, as we look towards states across the country, with this redistricting war having really heated up, we've seen that on the Democratic side, we have had California that redrew its maps successfully. And yet on the Republican side, we've seen Texas, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama, Louisiana, Ohio, Florida. So a pretty vast asymmetry here. Now, I know that right now you're serving as Lieutenant Governor and you're running for U.S. senate, and so I very much presume that you'll be in that seat. So this wouldn't be exactly your jurisdiction. But as we look at states that have some ability to serve as weapons for Democrats in this redistricting war, what do you think that Illinois should do as we continue to go down this path where Republicans are trying to engineer themselves a permanent majority in the House by redrawing every map to eliminate not just all black opportunity districts, but any Democratic districts?
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James Talarico
Yeah.
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Juliana Stratton
Well, first and foremost, I think that everything should be on the table to fight back in so many ways, because we can't, as you just sort of alluded to, we can't just sort of sit here with our hands tied behind our back. So we're keeping a close look on everything that's happening. We're looking at what's happening in places like Indiana, for example, and what I will say, as someone running for the United States Senate and being the Democratic nominee, that I am also keeping a close eye on what I can do when I get to Washington, D.C. because in so many ways, the Supreme Court has just really gutted the Voting Rights Act. And the whole goal is to dilute black and brown voting power and political power. And in so many ways, that's what Republicans want. And so one of the things that I want to do, of course, is to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Act. When I get there, I want to do as much as I can to work to strengthen our civil rights protections all across the board, proud of what we've done in Illinois to make sure that we could strengthen voting rights and make it easier for people to vote. I think that's what we should be focused on when we have a federal administration that's trying to roll back those protections. And like I said, everything should be on the table. And that includes, for me, looking at what we can do to reform the Supreme Court. And I would look at everything from expanding the court, looking at term limits and whatever we can do. And I will not be somebody that will confirm any of this president's nominees to the Supreme Court. If that should come up. I should just. This has been very personal to me because my father marched from Selma to Montgomery in 1965 to protect voting rights and to protest voting rights discrimination. And I feel like in so many ways, he's passed the baton to me. I lost my father in November while I was campaigning for Senate, and I feel like he has passed the baton to me and to all of us, really, to make sure that we stand up so that people's voices can be heard.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Well, I'm sorry to hear about your father, but, you know, insofar as I can say that, I'm sure he's proud that you are, that you're able to speak to this issue with such clarity. And, in fact, that's probably the most refreshing part of all of this, is that normally, you know, somebody would say, okay, we have to pass a new Voting Rights Act. And then my next question would be, okay, but we have an existing Voting Rights act, and we also have a Supreme Court that isn't gonna allow it to stand. And so how do you reconcile those two things? Would you be in favor of expanding the Supreme Court? And then it's a lot of hemming and hawing because Democrats are generally not that comfortable with major changes to institutions that we're often way too deferential to. And so to hear you be able to say no, we actually have to look at the root of the problem, because we can pass all the voting rights acts that we want. But at the end of the day, if we have a 6, 3 conservative court that isn't gonna allow anything to stand, then all of it's gonna be moot. It's gonna be a symbolic exercise.
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Juliana Stratton
Absolutely. And we do. And I think that this is a moment that really requires courage, and it requires speaking out, and it requires saying that business as usual does not work when you're dealing with a wannabe dictator whose authoritarian agenda continues to advance.
- [48:11]
Brian Tyler Cohen
Now, on some other issues that I think a lot of people feel like it's time has come. Can you speak a little bit about what you would like to see as far as healthcare is concerned? Because there has been. And look, on the Republican side, obviously, it's a disaster. The closest thing we got to any healthcare reforms is Donald Trump promising a decade ago that we would have a new health care plan in two weeks. So obviously, they just want to entrench a system that either currently exists or go back to what we had before, where healthcare insurers could kick people off of their coverage if they have preexisting conditions. But even on the Democratic side, there has been no meaningful steps forward. And a lot of what we have is just the result of some incrementalism. And so what would you like to see as far as healthcare is concerned moving forward?
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Juliana Stratton
Well, first and foremost, I want to see us reverse the cuts that have been made by this administration. But then we have to really work towards something better, because as I travel the state, I think when we talk about this affordability crisis and the umbrella of the affordability crisis. Healthcare is almost number one on one of the hear from people all across the state. And I always bring up two things that are from my own personal story. Number one, that I ran for office in the first place back in 2016 when I was the caregiver for my mother who had been diagnosed with Alzheimer's. And I start by talking about how the state of Illinois and our previous governor was trying to strip away health care. And my state representative at the time was helping him to do that. And I knew how hard it was to care for my mother. And I believe that vulnerable seniors like her deserved access to care. And that's what led me to run for office in the first place. But Fast forward to 2025 and 2026, when my daughter, one of my four daughters, who gets her health care under the ACA exchange, also is living with the fact that she called me and said, mom, let me tell you how my healthcare premiums are going up and how much more it's going to be under the ACA in 2026. So I'm going to get the plan with the fewest amount of benefits. That is not how anyone should approach getting their health care. Not my daughter. No one should not have access to the care they need. I want to see us pass Medicare for All. I'm going to fight for that. I don't believe that we should have people choosing between going to the doctor or paying their rent. I believe that everyone should have access to quality, affordable health care. And I also, you know, it ties to the reason why I'm not accepting any corporate PAC money because too many people in Washington, D.C. are unwilling to fight for Medicare for All because they've been bought by the healthcare industry. And that is really hindering our progress. So I'm going to be a strong voice to make sure that we fight for everyone to have access to healthcare.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
I am in complete agreement with you. I've been advocating for Medicare for All for years now. But there are gonna be critics on both the left and the right who are gonna say that it's too expensive. And so what would your reaction or your to those critics on both sides of the IoB as this debate takes place in the upcoming congressional terms?
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Juliana Stratton
Well, we all know, and we're seeing it play out right before our eyes, when people want to find money for something, they can find it. And we've heard this president say, well, we don't have money for health care. We don't have money for childcare, but here's how much money I want for war that no one asked for. So this is really, to me, an issue of political will. And we have to have people again. And I know that this word I've used before, but this is the time to have the courage, the fact that this administration is going to strip so many people of their health care and their Medicaid coverage. And I look at a state like Illinois, where there are potentially nine rural hospitals that can close. I look at the black women's maternal mortality crisis that I have led on in the state of Illinois and the impact that that's going to have when 50% of our births in this state are to people who are cover Medicare. I mean, by Medicaid, excuse me, what I just believe is that every single person is going to be impacted, whether it's longer wait times in the er, whether it's inability to see a doctor, where it's just, you know, what happens to our economy when we have so many people who don't have access to the care they need. This is an issue of political will. And if we believe that people should have the care, have access to quality, affordable health care, and that this is an important issue for everyone, then we just have to have the courage to fight for it. And that's what I'm going to do,
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Brian Tyler Cohen
you know, to that end, in terms of being able to find funds to pay for things that are the political priority of this administration. I mean, right now there is a UFC ring being constructed on the White House lawn at the same time that Americans health care has been cut for tens of millions of people, food assistance has been cut, prices are rising across the country. We have gas that's nearly at its highest point ever. And yet we have this like dystopian Hunger Games esque ring being constructed at the Capitol. So can I have your reaction to the fact that whereas there is apparently no amount of taxpayer funds that could cover the things that people need from the government, there is always money for stuff like these vanity projects that Trump, Trump wants to see.
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Juliana Stratton
Absolutely. And it is infuriating. And we need to speak out and we need to make sure that certainly I know I will do this as a leader in Washington, speak out and use my voice to call it out and to remind taxpayers that this is their money that's being spent on things that no one has asked for. Whether we're talking about this, this match, whether we're talking about the Golden Ballroom, Donald Trump has said point blank, I do not care about the financial situations of Americans. He has made that clear. And we are seeing that every single day. And I can tell you that this administration is not focused on doing what's in the best interest of Americans. This is not a president who kept his word when he said, I'm going to lower inflation, lower the price of groceries. We have seen, as you said, gas prices, where people are going to the pump and where they used to fill up their tank, they're now getting a half a tank for the same amount. That's why people are so frustrated right now that they're watching Donald Trump and his wealthiest friends get wealthier by the day, and they're getting left behind. And we need leaders who are going to call it out and say, I'm going to fight for you as the people of Illinois and Americans all across this country.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Is the $1.776 billion slush fund for insurrectionists, convicted insurrectionists? Is that a legal exercise?
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Juliana Stratton
A legal exercise in which way that's what he wants to do. I mean, what it is is another example of him rewarding his cronies. This is another example of corruption. This. I mean, it's ludicrous. And this is one of the most infuriating things that I have seen in terms of Donald Trump's abuse of power. That's what it is to me. I mean, look at this. I mean, and I, you know, I'm glad that at least initially, we're seeing a little pause, but I'm telling you, there's no one that should agree. I'm calling out the Congressional Republicans as well. No one should agree with this president trying to basically reward people who are insurrectionists, where we have seen law enforcement officers and others literally get killed. And this president wants to reward them.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Yeah. And yet, I mean, you know, you were talking about courage, the fact that we have so few Republicans who are willing to speak out because they have seen what happened to Thomas Massie and Bill Cassidy and John Cornyn goes to show that, like, these people are solely focused on protecting their job. Jobs. That's it. They are not focused whatsoever on serving their constituents, because it doesn't serve their constituents to spend $2 billion turning each one of the 1500 convicted insurrectionists into millionaires by virtue of allowing this $2 billion slush fund to pass
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Juliana Stratton
100%. And I think that that's where our voices and getting the message out around what we are actually, and then delivering on it. I think it's a great example of what we've done in Illinois. I mean, I always talk about the Illinois blueprint, how we've been able to raise wages, how we've expanded access to health care. We put Illinois on a path to a clean energy future. We have, you know, protected reproductive freedom and made Illinois an island for reproductive freedom. We've protected workers rights. I talk about those things, about what we have delivered because Democrats have delivered on the things that matter for everyday Illinois, Illinoisans and everyday Americans. And yet we have a president who made all of these promises. And, you know, it took a primary for us to finally see Bill Cassidy take a stand about what's happening with the war in Iran. It shouldn't be that people are afraid to speak out against this president. And to me, honestly, it's too little too late. Like when I say courage, it's not waiting because, oh, now I'm on my way out. And so let me say something, although good that it's happening, I guess, right. What needs to happen is that we need to speak out as Democrats and we can't rely on the Republicans to do the right thing because as you said, it's coming up at the last minute. Where is the, where is their backbone? And when are they going to put the people that they represent first? I believe that as Democrats, as I said, we have the message about what we have done, what we will do, what we will fight for. And we need to be stronger and bolder in getting that message out.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Man, I could run through a brick wall right now. So, Lieutenant Governor Stratton, for those who are looking to help your campaign for U.S. senate, where can they go?
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Juliana Stratton
Go to julianastratten.com I have a general election and I'm going to be fighting and working hard every single day to make sure that I can take your voices with me to Washington, D.C. and go to the Met fighting for you. And go to JulianAstratten.com and see how you can get involved.
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Tommy Vietor
Great.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
I'm gonna put that link right here on the screen and also in the post description for those who are listening on the podcast. I'm gonna put it in the show notes. Thank you so much for taking the time. Your campaign is a breath of fresh air and looking forward to speaking with you again.
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Juliana Stratton
Thanks so much for having me.
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Brian Tyler Cohen
Thanks again to James Tallarico, Tommy Vitor and Juliana Stratton. That's it for this episode. Talk to you on Wednesday. You've been listening to no Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen, produced by Sam Graeber, music by Wellesley and interviews edited for YouTube by Nicholas Nicoterra. If you want to support the show. Please subscribe on your preferred podcast app and leave a five star rating and a review. And as always, you can find me Ryan Tyler Cohen on all of my other channels. Or you can go to briantylercohen.com to learn more.