What happens when you give AI researchers unlimited compute and tell them to compete for the highest usage rates? Ben Mann, Co-Founder, from Anthropic sits down with Sarah Guo and Elad Gil to explain how Claude 4 went from "reward hacking" to efficiently completing tasks and how they're racing to solve AI safety before deploying computer-controlling agents. Ben talks about economic Turing tests, the future of general versus specialized AI models, Reinforcement Learning From AI Feedback (RLAIF), and Anthropic’s Model Context Protocol (MCP). Plus, Ben shares his thoughts on if we will have Superintelligence by 2028.

Links:

ai-2027.com/

Chapters:

00:00 Ben Mann Introduction

00:33 Releasing Claude 4

02:05 Claude 4 Highlights and Improvements

03:42 Advanced Use Cases and Capabilities

06:42 Specialization and Future of AI Models

09:35 Anthropic's Approach to Model Development

18:08 Human Feedback and AI Self-Improvement

19:15 Principles and Correctness in Model Training

20:58 Challenges in Measuring Correctness

21:42 Human Feedback and Preference Models

23:38 Empiricism and Real-World Applications

27:02 AI Safety and Ethical Considerations

28:13 AI Alignment and High-Risk Research

30:01 Responsible Scaling and Safety Policies

35:08 Future of AI and Emerging Behaviors

38:35 Model Context Protocol (MCP) and Industry Standards

41:00 Conclusion

Will we have Superintelligence by 2028? With Anthropic’s Ben Mann