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Noche de Pendejadas with Alannized
Karina Garcia Talks All: Childhood, "Slime Queen", Infertility Struggles, Motherhood & MORE!
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Only pay for what you need@liberty mutual.com Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty Savings Fairy Underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company Affiliates excludes Massachusetts. Oh, my gosh. I would question everything. I was like, I can't have kids. And, like, I would. I would, like, tell Ro. Like, I can't even give you kids. Like, I'm probably not going to be able to, like. It was a really dark time. I'm not going to lie. It was a really dark time.
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What is up, everyone? I'm your host, Alanized, and this is Noche de Pendejadas, your favorite podcaster and talk show.
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And.
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So, without any further ado, please help me welcome my guest tonight, Karina Garcia.
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Hey, y'.
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All. Hello, skinny. Welcome to the park.
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The skinny queen talking to herself.
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Hello, El skinny duo.
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Ah, literally Sleep sisters. Sleep sisters.
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You guys, we are sleep sisters.
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Didn't we have the same doctor, too? Loki?
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Yes, we did.
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That's a comment.
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I actually got inspired kind of by you, your brother. Like, we were literally texting back and forth. Amigas cuando garamos the surgery. Before we get started, can I just say thank you so much for making the time to making this happen.
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Thank you for inviting me. I'm so excited. It's been so long. The last time I was on was three years ago. Damn.
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Three years ago, December 2nd was the last time I've had you on my podcast. And honestly, on my channel, I feel like that was, like, our first collab.
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Collab?
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No, actually, it was interviewing you and Myra. Tell us what you've been up to. How has life been the last week, the last couple months?
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It's been good. You know, November's here, so I feel like it's a little chaotic. I'm thinking I'm like, oh, my gosh, the Black Friday sales are here. What I want to buy. No, but there's, like, so much going on. I feel like as soon as November hits, the holidays are here and Then just also, like, you know, with the slime stuff, I do start thinking about, like, all the holiday drops and, like, Black Friday and all that. So it's busy, but it's good.
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Do you start thinking about that, like, prior months prior or like you're thinking.
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About it now after? Just. I'm thinking about it now. I'm like, I should have started thinking about it last month, but I feel like in general, like, I don't know if it's just me, but even, like, with, like, the podcast, because my sister and I have our own podcast for October, it gets so chaotic because of, like, the costumes, the guests, and, like, so much going on that I don't really have even time to think about the holidays. But as soon as November hits, I'm like, oh, shoot, like, it's about to be crazy. So then I started thinking about everything else last minute.
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I also do feel like you've been out lately a lot, which I've been loving seeing you and you and Myra. I'm all talking to Myra right now. You're like, I think I've been seeing you guys out more lately.
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Yeah, we've been stepping out a little bit. It's been fun. You know, I feel like with mom life, it gets hard to obviously have fun. I. But just going out, you know, I had my baby last year. She's one year old. I'm starting to go out a little bit more, but I feel like, you know, when you first have your baby, you're at home more. And also Myra with her baby, like, you know, with you two, we've been out here so long, and, you know, we have, like, our eras where we'll be going to events and doing stuff. And then also I feel like I went through an era. Both of us, we went through an era where we were not going out as much because we were so, like, involved, you know, with the kids growing up and stuff. So we're getting into that era again where I'm getting more comfortable, like, okay, let's start going out a little bit here and there. I miss the events and stuff. So we've been having a blast.
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Tell us a little bit more of who you are and what you do.
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So my name is Karina Garcia. I am 31. Sheesh. I'm old Loki, and I've been on YouTube for over a decade now, for so long. And I also have a slime business. You know, I'm a mommy wife, and it's what I do, I guess.
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And I'm so excited. I've Had Karina on the podcast three years ago, but I'm actually more excited now because, I don't know, I feel like I'm gonna get to know you more on a personal level today. With that being said, amigas, I want to get to know you a little bit more. How was your childhood? Were you the loud? Were you the quiet one?
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I'm one out of six siblings. We definitely didn't grow up with. With much growing up. You know, my parents came here as immigrants from Mexico, and when my dad first got here, he lived under a bridge. Like, he literally was homeless for a bit. Yeah. So we didn't grow up with much. They gave us everything, though. They always gave us everything, but they didn't grow up with much. And I definitely have times that I remember, like, I knew just by observing, like, other friends and, like, the things that they would get, like, a cell phone or just, like, things like that. Like, I knew that we were less fortunate, but at the same time, like, we were so happy. We had the best childhood. Like, my parents always, like, tell us. My dad, like, he has. He has, like, guilt. I don't know why, but he'll, like, tell us that he feels like he could have given us more. And I'm like, I had the best childhood in the world. Like, I had the absolute best childhood. And that's not something I ever thought of. Obviously, now, growing up, like, oh, yeah, you know, but they gave us everything, even when they had nothing. So I'm so grateful for that. We had an amazing childhood. I was always really shy. Myra and I were both, like, extremely shy. I feel like a lot of people, even in our family, or, like, just friends, they always tell us, like, the first thing they always say is, like, I don't know how you guys are online, because you guys were, like, insanely, insanely antisocial. Like, ridiculous. Like, we were, like, in fourth grade, crying. When someone goes to kindergarten for the first time and they'll cry on the first day, that was us for 10 years.
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Wait, so you didn't like going to school? It was just because you didn't want to interact with people?
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I think it was separation anxiety from my parents. It had to have been that because it was so, so bad. Like, I'm telling you, like, my parents, you know, they were just thinking, like, oh, it's the first day of kindergarten. That's why they're crying. No, like, we did this for years. I remember in fourth grade, like, my teacher was, like, so over it. I remember she was like, what are you Crying about now. There was one day that she pulled me aside and she was like, what are you crying? I'm like, looking back, I'm like, that's so mean. Like, I feel like at the time, I obviously didn't know why I was so emotional. I feel like as an adult now with, like, you know, mental health awareness and stuff, I'm like, I genuinely feel like I had some, like, anxiety developing as a kid that I didn't realize at the time.
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Yeah. Do you feel like now you understand why the anxiety was building up as a child?
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No, I think, honestly, I think it was just like, separation anxiety from our parents or something. I don't know what it was, but was so, so bad. It was the both of us, too. We were like the biggest chas ever.
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Would you guys like to be separated or no? No.
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Oh, my gosh. So we were, I think that, like, just a school in general, they knew how bad it was. The first couple years, like, kinder and first grade, we had the same class together, which was good. You would think, like, well, they're together, they're going to be fine. But no, we would lose our mind. We were like the only kids crying every day for no reason. And my mom would come to pick us up, and me and Mara would look at each other and I, I, I distinctively remember, like, telling her, like, like, we gotta cut it. Like, she's on her way. Like, we would literally, like, hide ourselves from crying so that she wouldn't see us because she would be like, what are you guys crying about now? I'm just like, oh, my gosh. It was, it was ridiculous.
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You also did grow up in Santa Ana, right?
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Fun fact, you guys.
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I think one of the things that we would always kind of bond over is that we both grew up in Santa. Do you remember, like, a time where maybe you saw them struggle, where you were like, you know what? I think my parents are actually struggling because I feel like as kids, you know, if you grow up poor, it kind of just becomes normality and you're like, oh, you know what, whatever. Like, we're happy, we're good. But did you ever have a moment where you're like, oh, like, I just saw something go down that I know my parents are struggling.
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You know what I feel like in the Messina that we grew up everywhere we lived, it was always, like, communities of, like, so many kids that I never even noticed at the time. I think it's when I started going to school and then seeing, like, the friends privileges at school, like, they Would talk about getting like a cell phone at 10 or like just like little things like that. Or they would have like cool new shoes or going on vac or going on vacation. Yes. Like, I remember coming back from summer school and the teacher asking us what we did and every, every kid was naming, like, oh, we went here, we went there. And I remember thinking, I was like, I don't know, we were at home.
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We went to the backyard, right.
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I was cleaning all weekend. She had me cleaning iron all Cinderella.
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Like on my piano, bitch. Like, clean this shit up now.
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No, but, no, I had a great childhood, like I said, but I feel like I didn't notice it until I guess I started seeing it like at school. But in general, like even like in Santa Ana, we lived like in an apartment complex where so many kids. Like that was iconic. I thought it was so fun. I love like that because all the kids like play outside and I feel like it was great overall. But until I started going to school, I, I noticed little things, you know, just naturally. Yeah.
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Do you feel like you and your siblings almost had to be like the adults in the house, you know, growing up with, you know, immigrant parents, nos maestros or with their jobs, do you feel like you had to constant be like the translator or any of those?
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Oh my gosh, yes. I literally, I remember being like 7 years old because I feel like every Hispanic kid has experienced this, like, especially first generation, like where you're translating like the bills and stuff to your parents or like just anything like phone calls that you're like, girl, what the fuck is this about? No, I remember being seven years old and my grandma would have me write letters to her son in jail. So I remember like writing for her. And I was like a 7 year old kid and I was writing to her son and did you even know.
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What the fudge you were writing?
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Well, she would just like, tell me. But you know what's so funny? I actually, I feel like I learned very young as a kid that Spanish writing is so easy.
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Really.
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Like, I feel like English writing is like a little bit more difficult. But I don't know, like I, I never had to be taught to write in Spanish. I just remember she would tell me and I would write it out and she'd be like, yeah, it looks good.
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I feel like for me it was the opposite. I feel like a letter, I would always like, you know, when like you would write something and you would miss out a letter. I feel like for me it was always easier to speak it than it was to, like, write it down. I would always, like, up.
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Yeah.
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And then when my mom would ask me, like.
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My mom now, like, she'll forget her Facebook password. And she's looking at me like, I'm stupid. I'm like, why the. Why would I. She'll be pissed. Like, come on. Whose time is. I'm like, I. When did you. When did I get your password, Queen?
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I remember setting it up.
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She has, like, 10 accounts at this point. I'm like, girl, remember your password.
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And every single child, she probably goes to. To switch the password, password, and she.
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Gets so mad at us. I'm like, girl, no, you can't.
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You know, you saw your parents struggle a lot growing up. Do you feel like as you got older, that kind of motivated you to be like, you know what? Quiero TRA vajarduro quez fuerso y los acrificios que mis pass.
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Oh, 100. I feel like growing up, that was my biggest drive. It's still my biggest drive now. My parents came here with no paper. So my dad has always been the time, like, as a kid, he's always been the type to tell us, like, if you don't do something with your life, because, yeah, when your parents come here with no papers, and they come here with nothing, and, like, even getting a job is so hard, you know, without a work permit, you know, there's so many struggles they go through. They see the papers, like, los papeles. It's literally, like, the golden ticket in life. Life. So they would always tell us that you guys have papers, you absolutely have every opportunity. Then the next person has, you need to do something with your life. And I always lived with that. And even just them, like, you know, doing what they did, you know, they came here, and although we struggled, like, they always, like, had that, like, business mindset. Like, my mom, when we used to live in the apartments in Santa Ana, she would be the. The neighborhood, like, snack person. Yeah, she would, like, set it up. She set up, like, a window, and she would sell, like, Toasty locos, all kinds of stuff. Hot Cheetos, everything. Right? And remember, we actually used to have, like, clientele. Like, the whole neighborhood would come by from her. They always just taught us about, like, business stuff years down the road. They ended up owning a restaurant at one point, too. So, like, I feel like they really always taught us about business. And I don't know, I feel like just seeing how much they struggled, if they were able to come here with nothing and do something with themselves, I was like, girl, we absolutely could do something. It's always been my drive, always, always.
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I'mma talk for myself. I feel like growing up, you know, I grew up with like my parents being immigrants, them barely, you know, struggling to like make ends meet. I've always been a kid that was very aware about everything, right? I was always like, you know what? I'm glad my parents are able to provide for us. But I always wanted more and I feel like for me as a child I kinda would feel guilty. Like, what the fuck were you wanting more? Do you mean like your parents didn't give you enough? You know what I mean? Like, oh my God, like, I don't want to say that I want to provide more for myself in the future than what my parents were able to provide for me as a child. Do you feel like you face that struggle when you were like starting to become successful where you're like, oh my God, like I'm creating this like empire for myself. But I also don't want to make my parents feel like they didn't give.
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Me enough when it comes to like success and stuff. I never really like pictured or thought like, I want to do well. I knew I wanted to do more than them just because like my privilege of, you know, being born here and stuff. I never felt pressure. I guess success wise, like I. I guess for me, like success was just being able to salid atlante, you know, like having a job and paying bills. Like that was to me, like, like being able to make it, I guess, but with like the whole YouTube thing, like that was actually like so unexpected. So. No, I would have never seen it at the height that it got, like ever. For me, it was just like if I could pay my own bills one day and move out and get my apartment, like that was the goal. I mean, so much happened. It's crazy how everything turned out. Like none of us expected it. My parents, they've always been, you know, very grateful. My dad's actually told me like it was worth it. Like the whole sacrifices coming here was worth it because, yeah, I mean, I think everything worked out. It's just insane how it all happened.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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How did. That's crazy.
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Insane. I, I literally. Because, okay, so I started making videos and well, I posted some in 2012, but then I just delisted them because they were so random. But I started really like going in and taking it serious in 2015.
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Okay.
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And I was just thinking yesterday when I was going, like, over the brief for the episode, I was like, wait, maybe within a year it all happened because 2015, I started taking it serious. By 2016, it was.
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You were already the slim queen.
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Insane. Yeah. It was just. It happened so quickly. It was so crazy and so surreal. You know what? I actually, actually love, love, love that where I came from, my roots and how we came from nothing. Because I feel like that actually makes you appreciate everything. I remember, like, years ago, there was, like, a YouTuber, a really, really big YouTuber that, like, they were, like, filming something and they kind of. I didn't want to see it like this at the time, but it almost felt like they were, like, making fun of the fact that I talk about.
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Like, your humble beginnings.
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Yeah. Like, it was almost like they were kind of mocking it. They were like, oh, I'm Karina Garcia. I came here with this like. Or it almost like it almost fe. They were just, like, poking at the fact that I talk a lot about. About me being. Having my heart on my sleeve, basically about my childhood and my parents. It was giving very. Like, if they were almost making fun of me for being a poverty, that like, like, it kind of gave that a little bit. Right. I never want to hold that against people, but I just remember people, like, saying, like, you know, they thought it was funny that this person was saying stuff like that. But I think about it and I'm like, well, yeah, like, you never went through that, so you're never going to understand that. You think it's corny, you think it's cheesy, but to me, it's my fucking life story. And it's literally. It's huge to me.
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Like, of course I'm gonna feel proud of where the I'm at right now because it wasn't always this way exactly.
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I'm thinking, like, it's giving. You were born into this. You don't get it.
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You've accomplished so much at such a young age that it should be admirable, you know what I mean? Because videos. If you never continued, you know, branching off from what one thing gave you to the other, you would not be here today. So it's like fudge you. I don't even know who this person.
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Was, but you would be like, shook.
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Wait, is it someone like that I might know? Yeah, it's not my bestie.
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It's like, really?
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That's crazy. You started blowing up on social media and eventually, you know, we're talking about you retiring your parents. Do you remember the moment it finally hit you, like, oh my God, like, I'm ready to actually retire my parents. What did that mean for you in that moment, especially after everything you guys have lived through?
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It was so, so, so exciting, Alan. Like, I look at those times and, and I look back and, you know, I thought I was grown, but I was, I was a kid. This was like years ago. I mean, even the time that I bought my house, this was like almost nine years ago. So I, I really look back to those days, you know, in my early 20s, late teens and years, and I'm like, oh my gosh, we were so, so excited. Mind you, like, growing up with our living conditions, like as kids, it was just always our dream to have a pool and stairs. Like, that's it. Like, we wanted a two story house. House. We're so, we were like, so it's like the two story houses as kids that even like in the trella. I remember asking my dad because he, he had worked in construction and I remember telling him, like, why can't you just build stairs in this house?
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Like I'll. The porch. I just want.
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So literally, I remember we were like, can you just make like a little nook, something like inside the trailer? And he was like, girl. Yeah, because I guess like the foundation.
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And everything, it could happen. Yeah, literally.
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But we were just like so fascinated with two story houses. Like, if you had a two story house, like, I don't care the square footage, you're rich as fuck.
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Yeah, it was a mansion, literally.
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And like if you had a pool, oh my gosh, you are literally rotting in money. So that was like the ultimate goal growing up, you know, and for my dad too, like, his goal was always like to buy that house. I think when it came to finally, you know, earning our own money, and when it came to becoming successful, I felt like a kid in a candy store. Like, it's new money. I don't know what I'm doing, honestly, but all I'm thinking is, like, oh, my gosh, we've always wanted, like, a house together, so. Because a lot of times people will ask me, like, why didn't you just buy yourself a house? Like, yeah, why did you do something like that where you bought a house and, like, your whole family came with you? My older siblings don't live there. Myra, actually, she moved out years ago as well. But in the beginning, we were just. Yeah, we were all there. And even now, like, my younger siblings are there and my parents, so people sometimes like to say, like, why did you do that? But I just think they don't know the backstory. And, like, us growing up as kids, like, how we. That was always our dream to have that. So when it came to finally having the opportunity, for me, it was like, oh, my gosh, we're living, like, our childhood.
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Childhood dreams.
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Dreams. Yeah. And then that's what I decided. I was like, okay, I'm gonna buy a house. I mean, it was just insane. Like, with. I'm not gonna lie, like, with everything, you know, with YouTube and, like, the deals and everything was just, like, such a peak that I even at one point, like, I was giving my dad, like, I told him. I was like, you guys are not going to go to work. And I was still giving them, like, allowances and everything. Just. Just. Because I was literally just like, the happiest kid in the world. And I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna. You know, you're just, like, blowing everything.
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Y' all make money.
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Literally. I was like, I'm got the house. And then I was just, like, giving the money, and we were just all kids in a candy store, like, literally. And it felt amazing. It felt so, so amazing.
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I feel like that's like, a everyone's dream. And the fact that you were able to accomplish that through social media is so crazy. And it's something that you should be proud about. You know, for those that don't know, Karina is a twin. Who's the older twin? What was it like growing up being a twin? Las Bisto Maze.
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So am a twin. Me and my sister are identical twins. And oddly enough, she actually. It's funny because she started YouTube before I did, so that's actually how it all started. Myra started posting makeup videos. Because Myra has always been, like, a makeup queen. Even before that, for years, she Was doing freelancing like straight out of high school. She was like doing bridal makeup and all that. And she started posting videos and I remember like I would look up to her, I was like, that looks so fun. She would bring me in here and they're like in twin tags or like videos here and there. People were like, oh like she should make a channel too. And then, you know, I just like I did one for fun and stuff. But I've always loved having a twin sister. You know, with school as scary as it was like I can't imagine if we were already crybabies. I can't imagine what it would have been like. Just be me by myself. Cuz even as an adult now whenever I have to do something that's like intimidating or go to an event, meet new people, it's never as scary because my sister goes with me. So it always, it feels like you have a built in buddy all the time. Like as cheesy as that sounds like you always have someone so it's never as like you're anything alone. Yeah, yeah, it's. I love being a twin.
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Did they dress you guys alike growing up? Yes.
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My mom actually used to make us like little dresses all the time. Like exactly. We would wear the same thing. I didn't like it at the time. But then once we started dressing ourselves, that's when we started changing like completely different. I feel like a lot of twins could agree to this. You are compared so much growing up your entire life, they try to dress you the same. When it's your birthday, when it's Christmas, they'll be like, here's a gift for the twins. Like yuck. To share a lot of like, where's my own? I'm like, baby, I'm like, we're gonna fight to the death for this game. Why would you do that? Also just in general with everything, it was like that or like people always refer to you as like the twins. The twins. So growing up that's we were one person.
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As you get older, you know, and as you start building your own personality and your own self, did it ever get to the point that you got annoyed by the comparisons? Like more very much like I'm my own person. How did that make you feels?
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You know what I feel like that's just like such a normal thing with all twins. Like I don't know a single twin that wouldn't agree with this. Like the comparing your entire life is insane in every single aspect in your career and your weight and your looks and everything. Like, growing up, I was always the bigger queen. Like, by like, probably like £60 or so. So I was always like the fat queen. It's so funny though, but looking back, I was definitely, like, thick as. As a house. Like, comparing, like in high school or like middle school. Like, the kids don't. They'll be like, oh, you're definitely the ugly one. I'll be like, they would tell you it was some ogre ass looking too. I was thinking like, baby, we're on the same fucking boat right now. Like, I know you're getting imagine. No, but I. I specifically remember one time. Oh, I hope she's watching. I've never said the story. I remember one. I don't even think Mario remembers. She's gonna be like, what the. I remember in high school, we were like in ninth grade, and we're both in the restroom and like, somebody else was asking us if we were twins. Because, like, honestly, at the time, we didn't really look alike. Like, you would actually have been shocked. Like, oh, you guys are actually related. Imagine this girl comes in, I guess she's hearing the conversation about us being twins, and she's like, you're twins? And she was like, oh, yeah, you're definitely the ugly one. She told me that. And this was like an ugly ass talking. First of all, like, I'm sorry. I was thinking, like.
- [24:41]
B
Like, are you talking about yourself?
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A
I was honestly, like, I was just so flabbergasted and, like, thrown off that I didn't say anything. But I remember thinking, like, why would you ever tell that person? Like, you're so weird for that?
- [24:53]
B
Did that make you feel bad, like, emotionally? Or was it something like, it's coming from you? I don't give a.
- [24:58]
A
No, of course. Like, because then, like, in my head, I was thinking, like, yeah, I know, like, like, leave me alone. Like, I don't know. I just feel like that's like a trauma you grew up with as a twin. Guarantee you right now there's always one twin that lives like that had. That has that trauma. But even now, like, I'm telling you, it happens your whole life in stages. Because we get compared so much now just, like, in so many different aspects. And we relate to each other so much in that aspect. Because I've been compared her in other ways. She's been compared to me in other ways. And we both are like, yeah, we fucking hate that shit. Like, I don't know why the fuck they, like, we. We're always there for each other in that sense. Like, we get each other with that so much because we're like, why do people do that shit?
- [25:36]
B
Did you feel like growing up you had the pressure to almost keep up with Myron Oscar Minta that, you know, you were always, you know, the chubbier twin. Did you ever feel like, oh my God, like I have to like do something or like, did you ever feel that pressure of being like, oh my God, I want to look as good as Myra or like Myra to like, you know, for these people to stop?
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A
Like that was that pressure you had. It wasn't necessarily a pressure. I think for me it was just like, oh, that's just how it is. Like, you know, I'm a twin sister so I'm always gonna be compared. So I never really felt pressure with that. No. I did see her like start YouTube and I got inspired. I was really inspired. Myra and I have always been really close. So like, despite everything, I never, I've never seen my sister like as like competition. Like in any way, whether it was like physically any, just any in any way. We don't see each other like that because we've always been like super, super close and awe. But no know, yeah, we, if anything, we relate to each other a lot with that. Cuz we both have.
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B
It would make you guys stronger. Like when like, let's say someone would say something bad about you or about her, you guys would be like, oh no.
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A
Oh my gosh. It makes us so close.
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B
You guys like comfort each other.
- [26:38]
A
Yeah, it makes us so close. Cuz we would always be like girl, like people are weird.
- [26:42]
B
Don't ignore them. That is ugly. Literally after that told you that. Literally, you know, o ask kids, you know, especially when you go into high school, middle school, I feel like that's when you really find out who you are as a person. You know, your personality. You start wanting to try this out. Do you remember the moment where you're like, you know what, we're twins. But I also have, you know, my own things that I want to do. You remember that moment where you like, I want to find myself outside of being a twin.
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A
You know what, when it came to like styles like dressing up and our hair and stuff, we were pretty similar even in high school. Right out of high school, we were both like makeup girlies. So. Except I didn't know how to do it other people and stuff like that. But we both did our own makeup a lot. We were both glam girls. But one thing for sure is I do know when. When I started YouTube, I obviously looked up to my sister. But I also was like, no, I'm gonna do something different. Like, I don't want to be a beauty guru. Like, and that was just the twin in me. Just naturally, as a twin, you always want to, like. You want to be differentiated so badly that you're just like, no, I want to do something different. So I wanted to do the complete opposite. At the time, I was watching, like, Alicia Marie, My Life as Ava, like, way back.
- [27:49]
B
DIY girlies.
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A
DIY girlies. Like, that's who I was watching. Like, the lifestyle girlies, and that's what I was watching. So I just remember thinking, like, what if I did, like, some fun little DIY videos? I just wanted to stay away from makeup completely. At the same time, I knew my sister was an influencer, so I didn't want people to throw it in my face, like, oh, you're trying to, like, copy your sister. Or just. Because naturally, with twins like that, you get that a lot as twins in general. So when it came to that, I was like, I'm gonna do, like, completely different stuff. And that's when I started, like, DIYs and all that.
- [28:16]
B
Growing up, like, was there something specifically that you guys would always be like.
- [28:19]
A
No, no.
- [28:22]
B
Or, I want this shit done this way. What was that, like, little thing that you guys would fight about a lot growing up?
- [28:27]
A
I think, like, grabbing each other's clothes. Like, that's such a huge shit.
- [28:31]
B
How do you grab each other's clothes?
- [28:32]
A
Yes. But, like, I guess when it came to, like, high school and stuff, like, you know, we would, like, have our own stuff. But, like, I had this thing where, like, I would always take Myra stuff. Like, I. Oh. And then she was, like, getting, like, the. The PR and stuff. I was like, bitch, I want some too. And then I would borrow something and I would break it. She would let me borrow a Mac lipstick, and then I would, like, accidentally not put it down. I would smash it.
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B
Video where they all sm.
- [28:56]
A
She literally, like, just, like, the most. I don't know. I was just so, like, messy and chaotic that, like, I would touch her stuff and, like, ruin it. And she didn't like that. Or I would, like, take all her clothes, like, borrow. She has some cute top. She had a sense of style. That's the thing about Myra. Like, Myra has a really good sense of style with decorating, with everything. Like, that bitch really knows what she's doing with her aesthetics. Right. Growing up, I always, like, grabbed her clothes, and, like, I would lose it or I wouldn't give it back or I would lie to her. Like I didn't get it, but I did. So that's the most we would clash.
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B
Would you guys like physically fight or was it just more like.
- [29:25]
A
No, it was always just verbal. But you know what? There was one time where I think we did fight for like three seconds. Baby. Yeah.
- [29:34]
B
Body blows.
- [29:35]
A
I don't know what it was about. That's hilarious. No, I think it was like something like where I just like pushed her and then she pushed me. It was so stupid.
- [29:50]
B
Little slap. That's it. What was your guys relationship with your guys parents growing up? Do you feel like you guys or you in. In general? You more like of a daddy's girl. Were you more of like a mommy's girl? What was that like growing up?
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A
I was a little bit more out there, A little more revel, as my mom likes to say. I would talk back to my mom a lot. Like, you know what? I feel like I'm telling you, like, looking back, when I really look at my childhood, I think I had some kind of like anxiety, some kind of stuff going on because I. I know it's a big word to throw around, but I remember feeling depressed and I. And high school, like severely. And I would run away from home. Like I was low key, like I was bad. I would talk back to my mom, we would fight. And like, I definitely had moments that I was like, she don't love me. Like, but that was just me thinking that because we had such a, like toxic relationship at one point I was like 14, 15 years old. So I was going through that phase of, I guess, like puberty and stuff. But like, if you ask my mom, like in those times, I gave her a hard time.
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B
Wait, you would run away and like not come back?
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A
I would, I would come back that night.
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B
Oh, okay.
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A
It wasn't even that. But I'm like, girl, I'm like.
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B
So you would just go outside and play, all right?
- [31:03]
A
No, I would like run away and just like hide down the street or something and then she would like go looking for me. We would just have like a lot of arguments.
- [31:10]
B
Would you ever get the Por que no pod?
- [31:13]
A
Oh, yeah.
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B
Growing up. Because she was more calma, right?
- [31:16]
A
Yes. Yes.
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B
You know what's so funny? Fun fact. I met Myra before I met Karina first. Karina. Myra was in the makeup world. When I first started doing social media, I became friends with Myra and I always would see Karina maybe because of your. We've talked about this so many times. She was like, gonna be like boring.
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A
That's so funny.
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B
To the point. Oh my God, I can't even drink around her. Because a lot of your content was kid content at that time, you know, and when I met you, I was like, no, it's. I feel like we clicked instantly because. Which is good. I'm a desm too.
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A
I'm proud, you know, you were.
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B
You are this madre and that was like you all your life too.
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A
Oh yeah, yeah, like growing up too. I feel like I was more out there. Like I remember Myra, like girls would try to like bully her and stuff in high school. And I remember they would try to come up to me and like, yeah, I was scared too, but like, like I was gonna say some too. Like I wasn't gonna swing at you, but if you're gonna talk to me, like I would like hold my ground shaking and all, but I would talk back. I wasn't like scared like that. But yeah, I was a little bit more rebellious than Myra. And then when it came to like just being at home and stuff, I would just cause more chaos and all that. It was a short lived time, but it was my teenage years, maybe like 14 through 16. My mom said it was like my puberty era where I was just really snappy at both her and my dad. And even growing up like, you know, into adulthood, I feel like Myra is also pretty outgoing. Like we're both more outgoing, but I don't know, I went through my faces like, I'm telling you, like as a kid it was like insanely shocking shy. And then once I got into high school, I just became like a hot head. And then, I don't know, I think it was genuinely after graduating high school, I think just high school, like maybe the hormones or what, I was just like snappy, miserable. I was just. Yeah.
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B
How are you in school in general? Were you like the popular girl? Were you the shy girl? Were you smart? How are you in school in general?
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A
In school? I want to say later in high school years. We were never popular, that's for sure. But I mean, we had our friends and stuff. I guess we're like right in the middle. We were just there book wise. Honestly, we were not like the brightest. The both of us growing up, we always did like the EOD classes and all those. Well, starting school, you know why? I also think we had major anxiety. We didn't know any English.
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B
Okay.
- [33:44]
A
So starting kindergarten was a nightmare. Like I remember the teacher trying to talk to us. It was a night mayor. It probably took us nada. No Nothing, nothing, nothing. Like we didn't understand anything. But I know that we had like those classes. I think it was EOD that they had where it was like bilingual. They would like teach us English and stuff. It was just, it was a journey for sure. With school and then growing up, there's different parents. Cuz I feel like there's parents that are like, you need to graduate, you need to go to college and you need to do this. I feel like my parents were more about like work because when it came to school, I don't remember them even asking like about our grades and stuff. And I lowkey look back, I'm like, girl, how come y' all were not like I talk about grades like that until after we like graduated and stuff. They were very on work, work, work. Because me and I were working like at 15 years old. My parents were very about that, like get a job and stuff. And we were like 15. So I think they were more leaning on work, work that they didn't really care like about like our high school grades as much like they wanted us to graduate. But I never felt pressure from them.
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B
So we were just like a student.
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A
Yeah, never. So we were just there. And then when it came to junior year in high school, I remember thinking like, I need to get it together because I was like close to not graduating. And then that's when I logged in and I actually became, you know, I guess like an A student for like just that year because I was like, I have to get it together.
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B
What was your favorite and least favorite subject in school?
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A
My favorite subject was, I guess art. I had an art class and that was always fun because we were just drawing and stuff. My least has always been history and math. I never really cared for really.
- [35:15]
B
I was hoping you wouldn't say history because history is one of my favorites because I as soon for me I loved history because it was like I was always really good with memory. So as soon as you remember something you're like, history is not going to change babes. So it's like the answer is always going to be the same. So I feel like for me history was very easy because I'm like, math was hard. Math was really hard.
- [35:40]
A
I still don't.
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B
You gotten better at math because now you run a whole business, girl.
- [35:43]
A
Well, I use like calculators and AI, but like I have employees now that do the math. No, but, no, but I feel like with math I still don't, I don't know, I'm really, really bad at math. You know, basic math crazy equation equals MC squared. All that. What is it for?
- [36:05]
B
Like, do you remember what pemdis means? No Pendis or pemdas. Something about I just saw a tik tok about this.
- [36:12]
A
Oh my God. I literally.
- [36:14]
B
I was gonna say remember it, but I don't. I think it's parentheses, exponents, exponents, division, addition, and subtraction.
- [36:26]
A
Oh, Pam, das is math.
- [36:27]
B
Yeah, it's math.
- [36:28]
A
Okay.
- [36:28]
B
See, it's like the order that you have to say. You're like, I thought it was history. You're like, I thought it was a war or something. Crazy Girl 1.
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A
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A
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B
You take a little break, then you get back on and your whole career blows. The up where you went viral and you're like, oh my God, like, if I really get my together, I can make social media a. A full time job.
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A
I started, like I said, like with DIYs and I would watch them and stuff. It's funny because my first video was kind of an accident, but kind of not. So my birthday. I know this is random, but my birthday's on February 8th, right? That day I had made some DIY lipsticks. I had, like, used a palette and I mixed it with some lip gloss and like, they just look so pigmented, so cute so that I did it on my birthday, like for fun. And then I was like, wait, I've been wanting to like start a channel. I should just film this. So the next day I filmed it. And on February 11th after that was like my first day DIY. So that was my very first DIY video. And I remember that video doing it did okay. And then I just kept doing DIYs. I think my first viral moment was I did like a back to school DIY or something. And that did really good. And I. I was doing DIY for a while, DIY's back to school hacks and all that stuff. And they had their viral moments too. But I think like the biggest viral moment for sure for me was the slime.
- [40:30]
B
Okay.
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A
Like the slime, you know, I had found it. Slime was just going to be one other DIY in my DIYs. I had like searched up on Pinterest how to make like the basic one at the time. There was basic, basic slime. There wasn't any, like the puddings.
- [40:43]
B
No, it was more like the ones you just stick your finger.
- [40:45]
A
It was like a green goo. Like a green goo fart moment. Like those little.
- [40:49]
B
Am I doing, like, they don't exist now? Karina put them out of business after your crazy slimes.
- [40:55]
A
Yeah. No, but it was just like really, like basic at the time. And I remember thinking like, what can I do that would make it fun? How could I? I don't know why I was like, my head was. I don't know where my head was at, but I was like, I'm gonna turn it into a soap. So I mixed like shampoo and like I made like a slime that was like a soap, but it was slime. And that did like really good numbers. And I was like, okay, that's kind of cool. Like people started requesting other, I guess different slime ideas. And then I just kept doing it and I just kept doing weird stuff with slime. So it was never like a regular slime tutorial. That was like a soap one. So the next one I was like, wait, now I'm gonna to make up something that looks like play DOH or something that's like, oh. Then I was like, now I'm going to make an edible slime. Now I'm going to make 500 pounds of slime. I always thought like, just weird.
- [41:35]
B
Yeah.
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A
Out there, slime videos.
- [41:36]
B
Like you were very much trying to one up yourself at that point. Cuz you were doing crazy.
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A
I just remember doing the hot Cheeto.
- [41:42]
B
One that you did.
- [41:43]
A
Oh, I'm so dead. That was crazy.
- [41:45]
B
Video me trying to do your hot Cheeto one.
- [41:47]
A
That was crazy.
- [41:47]
B
I swear to God.
- [41:48]
A
Yeah, yeah, that was insane. Me mixing hot cheetos into slime was actually diabolical. Like what was the reason? But that was really fun and I just did so many weird videos. Like even looking back, like not just slime, like I did so many videos that typically would like, they would, some of them would take so long. Like there was one where I made my head into like a gummy that I literally had to get my whole face like into a mold. Like somebody came and like, you know, wrapped me up. I couldn't even breathe. They had like two little holes right here. They got a mold of me. They did this whole plaster thing.
- [42:17]
B
Was that explanation expensive?
- [42:19]
A
Yeah, for sure it was. But at the time I was so into like just like big videos like that. Like if I did a video, I was like, I'm gonna do something crazy. Like fill this room up with squishies and like cover it up.
- [42:30]
B
Yeah. Recreated your whole house.
- [42:33]
A
My dad. Yes. He literally, he basically built my house like in mini version for my dogs. I, I feel like I always had like a crazy like mentality with videos. I was like, I always thought viral, viral, viral. I was like, we need to do something big. So then like I Got a team at. And I would think of a crazy idea, but it wasn't as hard because, like, I knew they were going to, like, help me put it together, and then some of them would take forever to film. But it was always so worth it. I mean, it was. We always thought big with those videos and they were really fun. They were crazy. But looking back, I'm like, they were really fun videos.
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B
I really do feel like you really almost set the bar so. Because I swear to God, you guys, even though I didn't have a friendship with you at the time, I used to watch your videos because to me, I'm like, oh, my God, what the fuck is she doing now? The gun he had was so hilarious. Then you did. I remember you did your huge. The pineapple.
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A
Oh, I made like a giant pineapple squishy.
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B
All your slimes. That was crazy. I feel like because of your slime videos, you know, you really did get catapulted into like, a whole, like, newfound experience. Ellen, on the morning shows, newspapers, you came out with your own brand. You freaking did conventions according to Persona. Do you think, like, now when you look back, you're like, oh, my God, I cannot believe I did that. Tell us about that moment and how it came to be.
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A
I look back now and I can't even believe. I can't believe that happened. I'm like, what the heck? I was on Ellen. Like, if I went on Ellen, I would myself. Or like, Good Morning America. Just, like, different stuff. I remember there was a time where maybe 2017, like, it was like, definitely like the peak era where I remember my manager would be like, tomorrow you're flying to New York for this many interviews and you're flying back the next day because in two days, you. You're flying to Chicago. And like, it was like, low key, like a. Like for a bit. Like, everybody wanted to interview the slime girl. It was so random. Like, it's funny looking back. Like, that's so funny how, like, slime, that's iconic, though. It's so crazy. Like, there was definitely that era where it was so many different, like, interviews going on and so many, like, talk shows. And I don't know how I did it because with every single one, I was literally going to myself. I was nervous for every single one. A lot of them were live. A lot of times I wouldn't even see the person the whole post until that moment. Like, with Ellen, I didn't see her until I came out on Live. Like, they had me come in early to rehearse with a producer. But I didn't meet her. I didn't even know who was gonna be there. It was her and Reese Witherspoon didn't even know. I just knew it was gonna be her and some other guests. So when I was like in the back room waiting to go on, I was like, oh my gosh, it's both of them. I was like, oh my God. I was like freaking out, like. But I feel like in moments like that, I had no other choice than to. To suck it up and just pretend that I wasn't freaking out. Because if I would have came out all shy, it would have been like.
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B
Because I also do feel like you said, I feel like that time you blew up so quickly. And I'm sure you're going from, you know, just being in your apartment, in your home to like, hey, was that overwhelming for you?
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A
It was extremely overwhelming. But like, in the best way. I remember like when I first got a manager, like, he's still the same manager I have now, but when I first spoke to him, I remember he was like, I'm about to get you, like, really, really busy and you just need to be okay with it and just ride with it. And I was like, okay. No, it was actually like, it was some crazy, like, I'm telling you, he'd be like, tomorrow you're flying here. We'll fly you back the same day. And then the day after, I was like flying out like three times a week for like random like interviews.
- [45:59]
B
Like, and I'd be like five minute interviews, huh?
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A
I'm not kidding. Like I would fly to like, like sometimes I. I'll hear about people, they're like, oh, I'm from here, I'm from this place in Connecticut or something random. I'm like, I've been there. And they're like, how'd you like it? I'm like, I was literally there for like three hours. Like it's crazy. Like I didn't realize it at the time cuz it was so fast paced. But I look back now and I'm like, wow, that was so iconic. It was so, so iconic.
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B
Do you feel like at the moment you were able to grasp what was going on?
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A
No, cuz I would like shut down. Like I would shut off. I like feel. I feel like I have this way of thinking where if I freak out, like, I know I'm gonna look stupid. So I think everyone does this too, where you just like, you're like, no, I need to suck it up. And I'm Gonna get through it.
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B
You put a fr.
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A
Yeah, I did all these interviews with not a single ounce of alcohol. With nothing. Nothing. I would just show up and, like, turn on Karina Garcia, like, I guess. You know what I mean? Right? Like, do you ever walk into a room and you're, like, shy and you're nervous, but then you. You also kind of have to, like, turn that on and be like, no know, but, like, you know, like, I'm Alan.
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B
You know, like, be confident.
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A
Yes.
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B
Yourself. Like, I always get that. Even for interviews, I feel like I always get anxiety, especially when I don't know the person. I'll be having a whole anxiety attack before they pull up.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then they walk in, and I'm like, hi, how are you?
- [47:14]
A
Yeah. Yeah, me too. And then I'm like, oh, my gosh. And I'll be, like, nervous, but I probably don't look it. Especially with, like, shows that were live. They were always so, so scary. I feel like with Ellen, that was, like, scary as, like, I. I literally came out and I was like, oh, my God. Hi. Like, I was, like, freaking out. I know. And then, like, she. She's like. She's the kind that will, like, joke with you and, like, just. I don't know. It was just so scary. But it was, like, it was fun. And anytime. Anytime it was over. The segments were always fast. They were always like, 5 to 10 minutes. They were quick, quick, quick, quick. When I would get into, like, the green room after, I would be like, I can't believe I did that. I would be so excited. But in the moment, it was just like, oh, my God. Gosh.
- [47:50]
B
You grew up having not that financial stability, and then you start doing YouTube and it skyrockets. You know, what was it like running into so much money at first? And what were some of the early lessons you learned along the way when it came down to money?
- [48:08]
A
That's actually such a great question. You know, I've been online for so long, and I feel like that's something people are always curious about. You know, like, you make all this money, and influence. Influencer hits their peak. What now? You know, they grow broke. I imagine they. I'm all, help.
- [48:24]
B
You're like, how much are you paying me for this? Get ready tomorrow.
- [48:28]
A
I'm so dead. No, but I am so happy and so grateful to. To say that, you know, it's still doing it for me. And I always give this advice to, like, other influencers. I'm like, you know what? At your peak, the best thing you could do Is like, buy a house, some kind of investment. Investment. Right, something. Because I feel like in that moment, you know, you have, like, all the funds. Like, go crazy, girl. Iron. No, but also, don't spend money on stupid stuff. You know, when I first came into money, I was so excited. I bought everybody cars. Like, I got the house. I was just like, anything that would come in, I would be, like, blowing it. You know, over the years, I've also had, like, different businesses and stuff, but those different businesses also pull my weight sometimes. Like, I'm really grateful to have made my brand with Squishy Bunny and, like, you know, other investment stuff I've done on the side. I'm so glad that I had, like, someone because, like, my financial advisors, like, they also, like, help me with that and stuff, where to put money and stuff. Because if I didn't, I would have 100 been broke by now. Like, I really think about it. I'm like, if I never started Squishy Bunny, like, where would I be right now? Because I was like, you know, obviously, like, I do different stuff. But that has been, like, a huge help, you know, with YouTube. Like, I don't really post on YouTube as much right now. You know, like, I have my podcast and stuff, but, like, on mine, I'm like, oh, my gosh. I haven't really posted much, so I think, like, that's one of the biggest things that I learned is really having different sources of income. I think you have to have, like, six sources to really be comfortable. Because even if something's doing amazing today, in two years, it might not be. But guess what? One of your other businesses could flourish in the next few years, and, like, you have always something to, like, fall back on. And that was something that I learned over the years, and I'm so grateful for. I think about it all the time. Yeah, I do think about it all the time. And I'm like, honestly, for how long I've been on YouTube, like, I could definitely, like, I could be in another position. And I'm so, so grateful and so, so blessed that it's always worked out. Like, you know, whether if it was not, like, my slime videos, like, the slime shop and stuff, it's always worked out. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, I'm just so blessed. Blessed. And I'm so. I also like to think that I am, like, very, like, driven, like, with. With work. Yeah, I feel like that's the thing.
- [50:38]
B
That helped you a lot, that you're.
- [50:41]
A
If I'm not Putting as much energy into YouTube, I promise you I'm putting a lot of energy into like my shop or just like other things I, that I do. You know, I feel like that's one thing that I learned from my parents and like I'm really grateful about is like the work ethic. The work ethic, the investing and all that. Like, I, I feel like I've been really, really blessed over the years and that's my biggest advice even to just give to anybody. Like you have to have to have so many different sources. Cuz if I had just like, if I really just had YouTube, I really think I'm like, damn. Like I don't even know where the I'd be right now.
- [51:11]
B
You were able to like be like, you know what? I'm going to ride the wave.
- [51:15]
A
Yeah.
- [51:16]
B
But in that, in that process, I'm going to work my ass off because I can't depend on the YouTube stuff all the time. You know, Ovia meant that you were going viral. You were having very viral videos that were probably making you so much money. Were saying that was almost 10 years ago.
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A
Yeah.
- [51:30]
B
Now you're like, okay, now where do I got to focus? Like me, I always tell people, like. I said, you know, YouTube, I was posting daily. I was, you know, I guess going kind of viral at the time. And I was making.
- [51:46]
A
You are very viral. What are you talking about at the time?
- [51:48]
B
You know, I'm talking about 2017.
- [51:50]
A
You literally people's childhood liter.
- [51:53]
B
We literally are.
- [51:54]
A
We are literally.
- [51:55]
B
You know what's so funny? I saw when you were with the twins, people like, is that the slime queen?
- [52:02]
A
I'm so.
- [52:03]
B
You were literally people's childhood.
- [52:05]
A
That's so funny. Do you get that a lot? Kind of. Oh yeah.
- [52:07]
B
You do all the time. Huh? You're like, what were you calling me?
- [52:09]
A
Old? No, I get it all the time.
- [52:11]
B
The people that are telling you that.
- [52:12]
A
You'Re like, no, right? Yeah. Like we're the same age.
- [52:15]
B
No, but I think what I'm going with that is like when I first started, I was obviously like, you, like running through my money. I was like, oh my God, a designer bag. You know, I used to always tell myself, when was I. I would make money every time that YouTube check would hit, I would always be like, okay, what designer bag can I buy myself next?
- [52:29]
A
Okay.
- [52:30]
B
And you know what's so crazy? I have so many designer bags now that I have not even worn to this day. Swear to God, just because I never. I would buy chicken and be like, you know, what? Now you can do it. You grew up with not having much now that you have that position and that like, ability to. But over the years, you know, obviously things change. I feel like for me, what has helped me, it's like not putting all your eggs in one baske.
- [52:56]
A
It's like to me, it's like the.
- [52:57]
B
Podcast, my YouTube videos, and just like other little stuff that I'm doing.
- [53:00]
A
It's like.
- [53:05]
B
In 2016, you and R opened up your guys slime shop. Squishy Bunny. So how did that idea come to be? What made you be like, you know what? Orita Gustal Slime. What was that like?
- [53:20]
A
Okay, so with the slime shop, it's a funny story because, you know, at the time I was just doing like the slime video, the DIYs and stuff. And I did always want to have a slime shop because I was like making it. I actually, what's funny is the Craft City brand started before the slime.
- [53:38]
B
Oh, really?
- [53:39]
A
Before the shop?
- [53:40]
B
Okay. Okay.
- [53:41]
A
Yes. So around late 2016, I can't remember it was 2016 or 2017, I got an opportunity to make a slime kit. And it was just going to be a slime kit. And I remember they told me they were like, this could possibly be like your only product, but we're gonna give it a name so in case it comes out with different products. It's actually a really good business, I guess hack that. They told me at the time. They were like, every time you ever open a business, never put your name in it. Like, don't be. Don't put like, Karina Garcia slime. Always give it a name. And then it could say, like, buy you. So it was crap. Craft City by Karina Garcia. Craft City. Because it could be all kinds of crafting. You know, I still take that with me till this day with anything. I'm like, okay, don't put your name.
- [54:25]
B
In it because it limits you too, right?
- [54:27]
A
Yes.
- [54:27]
B
Because it's like only slime. Only slime.
- [54:29]
A
That part, exactly. Yeah. So we started with a slime kit. It did incredible. It hit thousands of Target stores. It was exclusively at Target at first.
- [54:40]
B
Yeah.
- [54:40]
A
So we launched that. It did so good that they were like, we want more stuff. We started pitching them, like, crafting stuff. The slime kits were the most popular. But we had like, we had like squishy making kits. We had bracelets, I think lipsticks. It was lips. Lips. We had like so many. So many. I had like an ice cream. You know that ice cream where it's like frozen, and then you. They roll it up in the shaving ice. I literally had like a. Like a freaking ice cream maker and everything. Yeah. I had so many different crafts. Yeah. I'm trying to think of what else. Art, like, random art stuff. And then that's when we started opening doors to, like, to Walmart, to cvs, Walgreens, five below. Like, it hit, like, so many major retail stores. And that was something that I was not expecting. It wasn't like, just me running it. Obviously. I had investors backing me up. I was partnered with a company. It has its pros and its cons, though, especially seeing it now from like, having, like, my slime shop versus, like, you know, like a company like that. With the company, you know, I was under their wing, so they had all the investors. I didn't have to spend any money on, like, all of that, you know. But the cons to it was that I had my hands tight a little bit. I could. I didn't have as much say as, like, in the budget. Like, if I'm like, this slime could be better. They're like, well, this is the budget and this is what we're working with. You know, this is our manufacturer. We're not going to source another manufacturer. So I went back and forth. That was like, my biggest stressor with that was quality sometimes because I was like, how am I showing them how to make this slime? I. At home, but, like, then I'm selling them manufactured product. Like, yes, of course. With slime going into stores, it has to go through so much testing. It has to go through so much. It needs, like, manufacturer codes and everything. So it has to be manufactured so that it could sit on a shelf for, like, ever. Right.
- [56:20]
B
Was that a shocker for you? Like, obviously going into, like, stores, and you're like, how do you know this all went into going into a store?
- [56:27]
A
Insane. I. I thought it was so funny. I have actually a little story. I remember when I first went to go buy my sleep slime kit, my videographer came with me. She was like, we're gonna film a video. You going to shop for your slime kit? Tell me why. The cashier, like, she was like, you can't be filming in stores. I was thinking, like, I'm literally buying my own product that I have here. But I was like, whatever. It's just funny because I was thinking, like, Target literally wanted me to advertise it. Like, they actually, like, they suggested I do this, but I wasn't gonna, like, I, like, out with her. You know, but it was just funny because Target literally was like, you should go into the store, you know, and film yourself buying it and like cashew for like filming there. You can't be filming here. I was like, I'm so sorry. I didn't even like argue with her, but I just thought it was hilarious. Cuz I was thinking like. Or you know what would happen. Like I would just do this thing a lot where I remember more than one instance where I would go buy my product. Cuz you know, if new stuff launched, I always wanted to go support myself.
- [57:14]
B
Yeah. Although that you're the reason why they all sold out.
- [57:17]
A
Buying them out.
- [57:19]
B
Y just paying yourself. No wonder you're all sold out. All the stores near us.
- [57:27]
A
Taking them all. No, but I, I do remember. I thought, I always thought it was funny for them to see the box and they'd be like, wait, is that you on the package? And I'd be like, yeah, I did that a lot. Like for no reason. But I just thought it was funny when they did that and they would like recognize and be like, hold on, you're on that box. I literally remember, like, I remember this day specifically where I was like standing in line and I see a kid like with, with her mom. She's getting like they're scanning the box, like my slime box. And I'm a few people behind her. Mind you, she had no idea was even there. And I did. Like, I was like, hey. Like, I think like when she was walking out, like I said her and she was like, what the. It was like crazy because like I spotted my slime kit in her. Like she was like. I was like, oh my God, she doesn't even know I'm here. Like, it was just so funny. I was like, what the hell?
- [58:09]
B
That's so crazy. I was just telling Karina, you guys. And I'm so mad at myself because we're actually cleaning the garage. I think you sent me in PR once. And then I would always buy them because you guys, guys, I loved slime.
- [58:21]
A
I did.
- [58:21]
B
And every single time I would see Karina in stores, I would buy them. And I. I literally was just telling her that I was supposed to bring it today. I had literally put them on the side because I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to interview Karina. Let me take them.
- [58:32]
A
That would have been so which ones? Which one? What?
- [58:35]
B
Kool Aid one? And then I have. We were talking about like the little putty slimes. It's the one that has like a Bunch.
- [58:40]
A
It's like a little mini collection.
- [58:42]
B
Yeah, it's like a little mini collect. That's funny news. What made you stop, like, the partnership? Because I feel like eventually it started kind of just stopped, honestly. Stopped.
- [58:56]
A
It literally stopped overnight. Let me tell you, it's a funny story. It was not that funny. It was crazy. Okay. Period. So in 2020, like, right when Covet happened, you know, a lot of like, companies went down, including me. Imagine. But so it was this company that I was partnered with. This company had so many different brands. They had like all kinds. They also worked like guava juice and like, oh, Jake Paul. They had like a random product. Jojo Si. What? They worked with like, so many, so many different, like, influencers. They owned like this business where they had a bunch of brands under their name. And I had. And I was one of those brands that was under that company. They just tell us overnight, like the entire thing is being dissolved overnight, including with every brand attached to it, which was like mine. So they were like, let's just gonna dissolve overnight. That's just it. But obviously, like, it's not as scary though, because when retailers buy your product, they buy for long, for like hundreds of thousands of thousands of units. So even if you stop working with them right now, they're going to have product for. For probably over a year.
- [59:55]
B
Yeah.
- [59:55]
A
And if there's overstock for freaking who knows how long, you know, So I was just like, oh, shoot, okay. But in the middle, being with Craft City before it even ended, I always wanted to have homemade slime. I would get a lot of hate for my products. That is one thing I'll say. I got a lot of love for it too. But at the same time, I did have people saying like, this. This is like, what is this? It's not like your video manufactured. It's not like the slime you're making your videos. So honestly, that would eat me up. Cuz I was like, yeah, they're right. I'm over here making slime, like homemade slime. And then I'm selling the manufactured slime. At the same time, though, like, I. I wish people had more grace. Like, I don't think they get it. But like manufactured slime that goes in stores, it goes through so much. Like, you can't just put homemade slime on the shelf because it needs upkeeping with borax and stuff over time. Like, it wouldn't just sit there forever, you know, so it doesn't have preservatives. In other words, so. So people would really like Drag me over that. And I. Like, it would bother me. So I remember telling Raul I was like, I really want to have a homemade slime shop where we make the slime, because that's what I'm showing on my videos. I want. Like, I knew, like, I was already making cool slimes. I was like, this would be so cool. And I remember telling. Just flagging it by, like, the company, like, hey, I'm gonna start a homemade slime shop. Like, I know I have Craft City. And they were like, oh, no, that's a breach of contract. Like, no, because I had a product in stores, Craft City. And it's true, because it's like, how am I going to have.
- [61:12]
B
Like, you're going to compete with yourself.
- [61:13]
A
I'm literally right. I'm, like, kind of pulling business and saying, hey, guys, I'm actually making this. Me, I'm making it.
- [61:18]
B
You know, it was the target version.
- [61:20]
A
Buy this version.
- [61:21]
B
Yeah, it's kind of like you're competing with yourself.
- [61:23]
A
Yes. Yeah. So it didn't really, like, work out that way, but I was so adamant on that. I was like, I'm going to have my slime shop. I told Raul was like. Because he had a so much. Oh, my gosh. He had his own channel, too, where it was just called Squishy, because I call him Squishy. That was just, like, a relationship thing that would call him Squishy over time. And I remember, like, we did some fun videos on his. He did some random little stress ball videos, whatever. So I was like, what if you started a slime shop? Because I can't legally start it. I was like, what if you start it and I'll advertise it and we're both making slime and it's like, essentially, like, we're the face of it. But I was like, but legally, you're the owner.
- [62:00]
B
You're shy. You're just sending it to me.
- [62:02]
A
As soon as Craft City ended, like, we both joined in on it, and now it's both of ours. But that's how I was able to start my own slime shop, because I couldn't start it when I was, like, in that contract.
- [62:15]
B
Yeah.
- [62:15]
A
So that's why it's, like, both of ours. And. Yeah. But I feel like I've seen the both ends of, like, you know, working with a business, like, working with investors, and I've seen, like, the homemade, like, pouring everything into it. So they each have their pros and their cons, for sure. I mean, having investors is amazing because you really don't take anything out of pocket, like nothing from your own pocket. You're just the face of it. You're just advertising it and you're bringing that money in with homemade slime, you know, it's amazing because you get to get as personalized as you want, you're able to launch anything. Like, if I come up with an idea now, I can launch it next week because I'm making it. Like we're literally physically making it. But at the same time, because you're making it, more production time goes into it. You can't just like stock x amount of things. You make it and then you start stock it and then you're like trying to keep up with that or because it's labor to it, you know, like the production of the slime, it's a lot more like in even like staff and you could. I guess what I'm saying is, like, I feel like everybody who owns a business would relate to this, is that when you have a business, like, no matter what comes in so much, always goes back into the business. Like, and that's like, it's crazy. It's crazy how business works like that.
- [63:27]
B
What do you feel has been like, like the hardest part of becoming the full time, you know, CEO, because no squinters. That before, you know, it was very much like la carita. I know, mas bendias. And now it's like you going in, making them. Now you guys have a warehouse. Your guys business has become so successful. What do you feel like has been the hardest part of being a business owner? And has there ever been moments where you wanted to quit because you're like, this is way too much.
- [63:51]
A
It can get a little bit stressful, but we love it. I think a big part of having homemade slime is like the funnest part, but it's as well, stressful part stressful because, you know, everything is handmade, down to the clay pieces, down to the packaging. You know, you can't just like order it, you know, I don't know because I. I've also had like makeup before. So, like with makeup, yes, you design it. A lot goes into the design and the testing of the product. But once you have it, you just order like, send me 10,000 units. Boom, they're done, they're ready to pack with slime, like, yeah, we could keep stocking it, but it's like, okay, well, shoot, we have to make all of it. And then some slimes are a little bit more complicated. I have like the clay pieces. Those are all handmade like, everything is hand detailed, hand labeled, you know, everything packed and stuff. So it's a lot more personalized, which I love. It's my favorite thing about slime because you really could get creative. At the same time, it is like the most like, you know, it takes longer to like the production of it and making it and like the packing of it. There's a lot of prep that goes into it before you could actually pack it and stuff. With slime, you know, there's times where glue gets really expensive or containers could get. Get expensive. Tariffs going up really affected us because, you know, you're ordering containers, ordering bubble wrap, ordering all your shipping supplies. That's something we saw that was huge. We were like, holy, we have to start sourcing locally, baby. I was like, how is it cheaper here now to get that container or to. Not the actual, like, products. All of our glue, all of our, like, all that stuff, like, the, the main ingredients are us based. We, we. Everything is handmade, mama. That is one thing I will say about our slime. Like, we have high quality, quality slime. Everything is handmade, you guys, with love. But of course, you know, like, you want to source overseas, you want to source boxes, you want to source containers, Even containers we still source here. We're trying to work on that. But yes, it does get cheaper. You know, maybe some bubble wrap or, you know, packing supplies, little things, charms, I don't know. But so much goes into it. A lot of budgeting, so many learning curves along the year. You could literally, literally, like, just because you sell an X amount of sales that month, you, you would think like, oh my gosh, that's so much money. And then you're like, actually so much goes into this. So much goes into that. Like, you would be shocked.
- [66:04]
B
Employees, everything.
- [66:05]
A
Yeah, you'd be shocked. Like, no matter how much you make, like in a lot of businesses, I feel like I agree with this. Like, so much always goes back in. It almost feels like a cycle. Like it's just like always going back in, back into business.
- [66:14]
B
You're like, when do I become rich?
- [66:17]
A
That's how it is though. But like, it's. I mean, it's amazing. We love it. It's definitely a passion.
- [66:22]
B
What piece of advice can you give to like, up and coming business owner that is struggling with trying to make their business flourish and might feel like they want to give up?
- [66:31]
A
You know what with any business owners watching, I would really say try to stay on top of the trends. That as cheesy as it sounds like social media is the biggest key to, literally to, I feel like, success with any business. Like, no matter what you're doing, like TikTok, for example. Like tiktoks, you know, like, just film yourself if you, you make cakes. Film yourself making cakes. I see cakes go viral all the time. People making their cakes, people making their desserts or strawberries, girl, hit up all the influencers, message them. Don't ever be embarrassed to send a message. Don't ever be scared of rejection. The worst thing that's going to happen, what, they're going to leave you on red. You might not even see that they wear your message. You can't even tell if they saw it or not. Send everybody and their mama a message, like, hey, can I send you strawberries for Mother's Day, period? They're going to post about it. Tell your, your friend, your co workers, like, hey, I'm doing this. Like, shout me out, like, recommend me to so and so. That's like the biggest thing you could do is put yourself out there like that. And that's why I say social media is huge. Because Tick Tock, dude. Like, even Tick tock, like with Squishy Bunny, like, it's having his boom again. Just, just Tick Tock Shop. Tick Tock Shop is so big, you guys. Anything online, go on live, girl. Don't be shy. Get on there, girl. You know what? If you want it, you have to go out and. And get it. You do what you got to do, baby.
- [67:53]
B
That's one thing that has helped my mom a lot.
- [67:55]
A
Oh, my God.
- [67:57]
B
Literally, you guys with my mom's candy business, Insane got on Tik Tok Shop. Her sales went up crazy. She used to just do website. If you guys want any advice. Ah, Tick Tock Shop is the way to go because you really can have someone enjoying content as well as buying.
- [68:12]
A
All within the same app that part.
- [68:17]
B
You're a wife, you have a beautiful family. How did you meet Raul who made the first move? How did he ask you to be his girlfriend?
- [68:30]
A
That's actually a funny story. Raul and I met on MySpace.
- [68:34]
B
Really? They're like, what have you guys probably don't even know what the. That is Moko space. Remember Mocha space?
- [68:39]
A
Yes, I remember that too. Yeah, but my space is like way back in the day, y'. All. Well, actually I had one of his cousins was in school with me in middle school. That's why, like, I knew of him, but I didn't, like, know him in person. So I would, like, talk to him on there. I think I like Randomly had added him. I don't even know how I added him or why. I think I probably just, like, went on an adding spree of boys.
- [69:03]
B
I feel like someone said to my.
- [69:05]
A
Man, somebody's gotta be it. Imagine. No, but I think I. I literally remember just, like, adding him randomly. I probably just thought he was cute, and I just added him. And I literally remember he messaged me, like, something like, who are you?
- [69:16]
B
Like, do I know you?
- [69:18]
A
Yeah, I think it was something like, do I know you? Or something. And I was like, no, I'm just trying to get to know people. Then it just went from there. So we. We formed, like, a friendship. It was never, like, romantic for, like, years. And then we went our separate ways. Like, he had girlfriends, I had girlfriends. That we were girlfriends. No, but I was dating. He was dating. I had a boyfriend, he had a girl. Whatever. Years passed by. So it was, like, not romantic for so long. Like. Like, we would have flirt here and there, but it was, like, nothing, right? For years. And then after high school, because this was in middle school, like, when I really started talking to him, I feel like I've known this fool forever, honestly. But then after I graduated high school, I had, like, just left a relationship. And he was just, like, the sweetest, sweetest guy ever. And, like, whenever I would have issues in that relationship, Raul was just always there to listen. But he was just the sweetest guy. And I remember thinking, like, he is such a sweetheart. And, like, I don't know, I was like, wow, this is what love is. This is how they should treat me. Because my ex was, like, super toxic. We were children, Whatever. So Raul was like, he's so sweet. And, like, he asked me to go to the movies, and I was like, you know what? Yeah, like, he's an icon. So we went to the movies on Hollywood, Halloween in 2012, and we got together three days later on November 3rd. We were like, let's get married.
- [70:36]
B
And then we're here.
- [70:41]
A
Honestly, like, Halloween night, like, the day we met, like, we had already kissed and everything, you know, because we had already, like, had a little crush or whatever when we were talking online. So when we hung out, we, like, you know, had little kiss. Seasonal. And then, yeah, three days later, like, I feel like we mutually knew. He just asked me to be his girlfriend a few days later on November 3, 2012, and the rest was history.
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B
How did he propose? Do you remember the exact. Did you already kind of, like, knew he was gonna do it or did it caught you, like, off guard?
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A
Completely off guard. So he proposed. Years later, I got proposed to, I want to say maybe 2018. And then I got married. 2019. So around 2018, on. On, I'll say a Mother's Day. What the. On Valentine's Day, he proposed. So I remember we went to go have a dinner. As always, like that was our thing. We would just. We always just go to dinner. We went to go eat, had a couple drinks, and I just remember him being so lovey dovey. And I was like, dang, he's in love today. I was like, it's the pheromone perfume.
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B
Like, what do you want?
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A
He wants. So that's what's going on. Imagine. But I was like, okay, he's on a good one today. And then we headed over to my house. He was like, let's go to your house after. I was like, period.
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B
It's happening.
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A
Okay, let's go. Imagine. So it was like after the bar and we were like heading to my house and then. Okay, so we always pulled into my driveway. But this time around, he was like. He said he had like something about that he didn't have a remote to open it. Something about the gate not working. So he was like, we need to park in the front to enter through the front door.
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B
Okay.
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A
And at first I was like, okay, that's weird. I never, like, it never crossed my head. I was just thinking that we're gonna go upstairs.
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B
You're like, I'm trying to thank God I shaved, right?
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A
I was like, okay, period. I was a little tipsy. Me too. I was like, we're home. He didn't live with me at the time, but I was like, okay, yes, we're going inside, whatever. And then I open the door, the lights come on. And then mariachi starts playing. There's like rose petals, like down my staircase. It's like, my whole family's there. His whole family's there. My friends are there. His friends are there. And I was like, oh, I knew immediately. Yeah, immediately I was like, oh, my God. And I just look over to him and I was like, you're kidding. What? And like, if you've seen the video, I'm just like in genuine shock.
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B
You're all pissed cuz you all thought you were gonna get it.
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A
Really?
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B
No.
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A
But then it was extra good later. I'm so dead. But it was just like so romantic. And I really like, till this day, I'm like, that was such a romantic way for him to do that. And it was so, so beautiful. The mariachi, the everything, the way he got on his knee. It was so cute.
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B
How was planning for the wedding? Because you had an extravagant wedding, you guys. I went, you know, I think you got married the night night or the day before Danny's birthday.
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A
Oh.
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B
Because I remember at your wedding, we were like singing Happy Birthday at midnight outside by your pool. I still remember the casas. Denny is April 7th, so April 6th. Right. See?
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A
Okay.
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B
How was the whole planning for it? Because you had a beautiful. I think it's one, if anything, the most beautiful wedding I've ever been to. How was the whole planning for that?
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A
Honestly, as soon as I got engaged, like, immediately, immediately I was so excited to plan my wedding. My brother does events, so we were like, we have to blow this out of the water. I have to do it now. I wanted to get married immediately. I feel like growing up, like, with traditional parents, my parents were always very much about, like, you move in with your person until you get married. Like, they were just so traditional like that. And don't get me wrong, I was traveling all the time. He was staying over anyway. Like, he was always staying over, like, girl, it's my house by him. I just. I was just like, he's saying we would travel all the time, so he was always with me. So they kind of got an idea that he was. Would be like, staying sometimes anyway. But even then, like, I always had that, like, from my parents that, like, he never actually moved in until I got married. So I was actually, like, really excited. I was like, oh, my gosh, we need to plan now. And it took us about a year to plan. Exactly a year later, we got married. But the planning was so fun. My brother does weddings and stuff, so I feel like I already knew what I wanted my wedding to look like even before I got engaged. So it was the funnest thing to plan it.
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B
What was the most expensive part of planning the wedding? Because I feel like you guys even created a whole salon. You guys did create a whole salon.
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A
It was. It was gonna be a struct that they built. Whenever I tell people I got married, like, well, that I got married, that I had my wedding at my house, they're like, what? Because it was literally an entire structure that they built there. Yeah. Honestly, one of the most shocking things that was the most expensive was flowers.
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B
How much?
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A
At that time. He tells me now that at the time it wasn't bad because it's. They're more expensive now. At the time. Oh, my gosh. Almost feels like wrong to say it. It was 35, 000. In flowers. In flowers More than your dress? Yeah. Well, my dress was.
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B
Your dress was gorgeous though, Karina.
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A
Oh, thank you. My dress, I. It was. It was a lot too, but it wasn't. I just remember there was definitely more expensive parts of the wedding because that was like just like a fraction of the wedding. But I do remember thinking like, 35,000 in flowers is crazy.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I might even be wrong. Like I'm. It might have been more. I just remember it was like a number like that, that I was like, what the hell? I think about it now, I'm like, in flowers, like, what is. Is a reason.
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B
But I feel like I can see it being that much though, because I've always known that flowers are so expensive. I mean, your brother did sister's wedding.
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A
French flowers, literally.
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B
And they were everywhere. Literally. You guys. Flores actual centerpieces. Flowers everywhere. Like, did people take like the centerpieces?
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A
Oh, yeah. The. The theas were thriving with their. With their ten foot eyad.
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B
$10,000 literally were.
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A
Well, no, you know what I think was the most? Like when. When he decorated the church, it was like a ton of flowers in the church, like beautiful. Like the whole thing was just covered in flowers. When you went into my house, like the entrance, like the whole staircase was like insane. Like the flowers were just over the top, but it's cuz they're fresh so they're a little bit more expensive. And there was just flowers like everywhere in the church, in the entrance, in the hallways. And there was. Everything was covered in flowers.
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B
What was your favorite thing, thing of your wedding?
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A
It's such like a simple thing. But when we cut our cake, it was. I always remember that moment. It was just so cute and like it. I feel like whenever you get married, like there's so many pictures and it's like so much going on. Like you're attending to your guests where you're having a blast, but it just flies by so fast. Like, it flies by so, so fast because you know, you're making sure everyone's good and you're just like everywhere. And I feel like when it came to cutting our cake, it was like that moment, like away from everyone where like we cut our cake. Cake, like you feed each other and it's just like. It's so cheesy but like so cute. And I just remember us like, it felt like we were truly alone in that moment. And I was just there with my sword cutting like freaking 10. And I was like, period. It was just like a moment that I was like wow. This is it. Like, it was so beautiful. It was so beautiful.
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B
Did anything go wrong? Because I feel like in big parties, especially weddings like that, now that you think back at it, you're like, you know what? It wasn't a big deal, but at that moment, was there anything that happened that you're like, oh, my God.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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B
Why did this go wrong?
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A
If so, a lot of people brought so many plus ones.
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B
Okay.
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A
You know. You know how, as Mexicans are, we're bringing the whole, like, plus eight, literally. So I didn't mind. I really didn't, like, if I knew the people. I genuinely didn't mind. I knew it was gonna be a lot of people. I think, like, we planned for 400, but, like, so many more people came. Like, I'm not kidding. I remember meeting so many people that day, and I was like, I've got never met these people.
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B
The. Are you at.
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A
No, I think a lot of people, like, just, like, probably just, like, brought, like, a lot of extra people. Like, I wish they at least told me just because, like, there was, like, family, like, actual family that didn't get to sit down. So it's just chaotic. I wish I would have been more organized with, like, the seating process, like, or really checking in on people to rsvp, because I don't know. My family, like, my Mexican family does not rsvp.
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B
Tell them. They're like, no. Yes, you are rsvp.
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A
And then, like, everybody would pull up with, like, A plus people. I was like, oh, my gosh. And I didn't even notice it at the time, but I just remember, like, after my brother was, like, stressed out because nobody had seats, but I wouldn't change anything about it. It was the most beautiful day. And it was.
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B
I. I loved it. I had so much fun at your wedding, you guys. I swear to God. They had. You had the robots.
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A
Oh, yes. There was so much.
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B
I feel like, you guys, I was just this. It was so much fun, fun. And I'm glad that you had so much fun. And it was a day, to this day, you know, about motherhood, you know, familia. But it was a little harder for you, you know, to get pregnant if you feel comfortable, you know, what was that journey like for you? You were open about your miscarriages.
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A
When it came to trying to have kids, you know, we got to that point that I was like, I want a baby. I didn't know if it was going to be. Be, you know, easier, hard. You know, growing up, you know, you're, like, taking Your. Your protection. And you're like, I get pregnant, I can't get pregnant. Because you don't know, like, how fertile you are or not. You think that simply by not using protection one time, you're gonna get pregnant. You know, this is like, me, like, thinking before. And then when it came to actually, like, trying, it was not as easy as I thought it was gonna be. I was like, wait, why am I not getting pregnant? I started taking, like, ovulation strips, which is like these, like, strips that detect, like, the hormone when you're about to ovulate, when the egg's about to release. So it'll tell you, like, oh, you're good to go on this day. You might get pregnant. You know, So I would do that. And I tried that. I didn't get pregnant. I don't know how open I've been about this, but I actually saw a fertility specialist one year. I actually tried an injection of something. It was called, oh, my gosh, I forgot. This was years ago. I forgot what the injection is. But the injection basically, like, helps your body ovulate. Like, if it's not ovulating, it'll. It'll help it, like, ovulate. And he even told me with this injection, you might even ovulate two at a time, so there's like, higher chances of twins. And I was like, period. I was already trying. You know, they had done testing already. They put like, a liquid up there, like down there, like, to through my uterus to like, open up my. My ovaries, like, the pipes. I don't think I've ever mentioned this before. They did that. They tried, like, to clean everything out, but time went by. I tried that. I tried the injection and it was almost like, you're going to get pregnant. You are. You might, obviously. Two eggs. Yeah, I tried that. Didn't get pregnant. I was like, what the. Like, I let it go. And a lot of people would tell me, like, it's going to happen when God wants, it's going to least. When you least expect it, it's going to happen. So I was like, okay. I. I was like, whatever. I. I stopped cuz, mind you, like, with kids, like, I've always wanted kids. Like the moment ro when I got married, like, honestly, immediately I wanted kids. I looked into that. That didn't work. So then I was like, I'm just going to, look, leave it to God, whatever. I'm just gonna ignore it and I'm just gonna have unprotected whatever. And months later, out of nowhere, I Didn't even think I was pregnant. I didn't know I was pregnant at all. I just remember going to a party one time, having a couple drinks, feeling really, really off about it, like, extra nauseous. And days later, I don't even remember how it happened. I think I just. Oh, yeah. I was like, I'm gonna take a test. Fuck it. I'm gonna take a test. Like, there's no way I'm pregnant. There's literally no way I test a test. I'm pregnant. I'm like, oh, my God. I was like, oh, my gosh. Mind you, like, going through, like, infertility, like, services and, like, not getting pregnant, and then now I'm pregnant on my own, and I didn't even realize it. Like, what the. I'm pregnant on accident. And I just, like, tried, you know, that's how that happened. So then I. I make my first appointment with my. You know, to get an ultrasound. I'm so excited. Like, I wake up, I do my makeup at times tell. I'm telling you, like, when you want something so bad and then you finally get it, it's like, oh, my gosh. It was like that. I was just so, so excited. So I make my first appointment. I'm, like, telling my mom I'm gonna go to my first appointment today. I get to my appointment, they're doing, like, an ultrasound. And the nurse was, like, quiet. Like, she wasn't saying anything. I was like, oh, what the is going on? I immediately. I was like, something's wrong. I was already. It was like, well, I was like, 10 weeks or so. So like, two and a half months. And she's doing the ultrasound, and she's like, I'm gonna call my doctor. And I was like, huh? And I was just, like. I started already freaking out. Like, I think I already started crying. And I was like, something's wrong. And I was like, nothing's wrong. Like, it's okay. And I just knew. I was like, something's wrong. She's calling her doctor. And I was like, what? And she's like, it's okay. I'm just trying to find a heartbeat. I'm gonna get someone to look at it. I was immediately. I was like. I started losing. Oh, my gosh. I look back, I'm like, oh, my gosh. I'm so glad I've healed from that, because that was such a. Like, a hard moment. And then she comes in and she tells me, like, yes. Like, there's no Harvey. It looks like it stopped growing, like, a few Days ago. Like, they just walk you through all of it. And then in that moment, you're just like so overwhelmed with emotions, you can't even, like, hear them because you're just like thinking, like, what? Like, I tried so hard for this. I finally got pregnant. I'm so excited. And then. Nope. You know, it was just like. It just felt like a joke. It was like. It was just such a. It was a really rough time. But then, you know, also, because my body was not expelling. Expelling the fetus, they had to obviously do like, the. The surgery to, like, you know, clean you out. And also, even that was like. But you know what? I. I do feel like I really have healed from that. But, you know, unfortunately it happened two more times. So, like, I had what. Yeah, felt like back to back miscarriages. I would get pregnant, get excited. And the second, like, when it happened again, I remember thinking. Thinking I was like, I got excited because I was like, I'm a little bit nervous because of that happened. But, like, what are the odds gonna happen again? It's like, very unlikely. And then it happens again. I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, I could talk about it, like, so openly now, but at the time, it was like, traumatizing. I was like, is something wrong with my body? Like, can my body not? Like, because I used to start doing all these research, I'm like, is my body, like, not feeding them? Like, what. What is it? Like, my body's literally. Literally, like, not a good place for them to live in because they keep, like, dying. Like, I. I felt so horrible. I was like, what? The first. I struggle to get pregnant and I try all these things and, like, I don't get pregnant. Now I'm getting pregnant, and now my body can't even keep them alive. I felt so horrible. I felt so horrible. But that wasn't gonna stop me. I was just having unprotected sex. Honestly, I was. I just want to get pregnant. Like, I really did want to have this baby. I get pregnant a third time, it happens again. I'm like, okay. But that time I was like, more. I really went into to it, like, knowing, like, you know, it's probably gonna happen. And it happened really early on. I just remember, like, my mom already knew too. It was like she didn't even, like, she had already, like, seen me go through it. So I just remember I was like at an appointment with Raul. Like, he was like, but it wasn't an appointment for, like, the pregnancy. He was like, doing something, like, with he was getting his skin checked, like a mole checked out or something. And then I just start feeling crampy. And then I call my mom. Like, I just knew it was happening, but he was, like, in the doctor, so he couldn't take me, but, like, my mom picked me up. It was so. This a long story, but I just remember, like, my mom answered the phone. The first thing I say, I was like, Mr. Travis. And like, she knew immediately what I was talking about.
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B
She didn't even know you were pregnant?
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A
She didn't even know I was pregnant. And she was like, I m like, where are you? And then she, like, came to get me, took me to the er and I was just like, can I not have kids? Like, I really was like, I can't have kids. And like, I. I genuinely. You start to question so much about your body. You're like, how the. Like, first I couldn't get pregnant, now I'm getting pregnant, and now you're telling me, like, I' just going to keep, like, just losing them. Like, what is this? Like, what kind of joke? I literally would, like, pray to God I was like, what kind of sick joke is this? Like, I was like, this is crazy. And then I just tried to, like, keep positive, and I actually ended up finding a doctor that was like, a specialist in, like, like, miscarriages and stuff and actually learned, like, such a simple trick. I'm not a doctor, so obviously get it ran by your doctor. But such a huge thing I learned is, like, something as simple as, like, aspirin pills. If you've had, like, recurrent miscarriages, like, sometimes it could be, like, with your blood clots. Like, with your. Your blood, the way it clots. I did my own research, and the doctor even told me that, yes, like, I guess, like, blood thinners do help with that stuff. So he prescribed me that, like, blood thinners on top of those. Like, it was like an injection I would do to myself. I can't say if it helped or not, but, I mean, I had my baby.
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B
Did you ever blame yourself?
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A
Oh, yes. Like, I always thought I was like, like, is it. I don't know, Like, I was like, is it, like, my health? Like, what's going on? Like, what is happening? And, like, they did so much testing. They literally took blood from me. They took blood from Raul because they were like, why can't any of these fetuses survive? Like, is something wrong in your guys's, like, genetic codes? You know, like, something. And nothing was wrong. It was just like, my body just literally like they would just stop growing. Like my body would not feed them. Yeah, it would just, yeah, I guess the placenta or something. So he came to the conclusion that it might have been like the blood flow wasn't the best. So he gave me blood thinners. And yeah, like with both pregnancies I took blood thinners. And I mean, they're here. So I'm like, oh my gosh.
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B
Do you feel like during that time you were struggling a lot emotionally because this was something you wanted and it kept happening. Ovia, you say that now you're able to talk about it freely, but do you feel like in those moments you went into a very dark space?
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A
Oh yeah. I was like, oh my gosh. I would question everything. I was like, I can't have kids. And like, I would, I would like tell Raul, like, I can't even give you kids. Like, I'm probably not gonna be able to like. It was a really dark time. I'm not gonna lie. It was a really dark time. And then once I, I really do feel though, once I got pregnant with Mia, like she healed everything in me. Everything, everything, everything and more.
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B
How did you find out you were pregnant with Mia? Who did you tell and what did you. What was your reaction? Were you a little scared? You were very much like, oh my God, you know, what's gonna happen again? What was that like for you?
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A
Yeah, so I get pregnant with Mia and I was like tracking my ovulation. I'm telling you, like I was on it. So I knew. I was like, I'm either gonna be pregnant in 8 days or not. Cuz it takes like 8 days for implantation to happen. So I was on it. I took a pregnancy test exactly like eight days later. And I was like, I'm either pregnant or I'm not pregnant. I take a test, I'm pregnant. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm pregnant. But then like, as soon as that excitement would hit, I was like, I'm pregnant. Here we go. I was so over it because even the previous pregnancy, you know, it was so sad. I had given Raul like a little, like I had made him like a little poster that said like our rainbow baby due this month. And it was like a rainbow that I drew, I hand painted it, gifted to him have a miscarriage a week later. I was like, no, this is diabolical. This is crazy. So with Mia, it was more simple. I was like, I'm not doing all this like over here, going all out, right? So I think I did do Like, a box or something I just put in the box.
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B
Did you wait longer to, like, announce it to your friends and family this time?
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A
Yes, I did. I did. So with. With. With Raul, Like, I told him right away just because, like, I genuinely could not hold it together. So I told him maybe, like, a day later. And I tell him, and, like, I'm excited, but immediately I just start crying, and I'm, like, so sad. He's like, it's gonna be okay. So instead of it being like a happy, exciting moment, it was just more like, oh, oh, God, I hope this is it. You know, it was exciting, but it was so sad because I'm not gonna lie. Like, it. I didn't get excited. I did not. Yeah. Until I passed, like, certain amount of months, I got excited. I didn't announce a pregnancy until I was maybe, like, four months or so. But then, of course, I got excited after that, and, like, it was just. I really do feel like that pregnancy healed everything in me.
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B
How was your overall pregnancy? Do you feel like you had a very smooth pregnancy, or was it still very, like, scary throughout the whole pregnancy?
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A
So I was, like, high risk. So my doctor, like, he. I was on a lot of, like, shots. I was, like, on freaking. Like, on a blood thinner, on top of aspirin, on top of, like, insulin, too, because the diabetes was crazy.
- [90:18]
B
Like, so you actually had something that my sister had. What was that? J.
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A
You had gestational diabetes?
- [90:23]
B
Yes. Uhhuh. She had that with her pregnancy, too.
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A
Yeah, I had that. And as the pregnancy would progress, like, the placenta makes it even harder. So, like, I would have to pump more and more insulin, like, every day. The insulin shot, the aspirin and all that. Like, it was just like, oh, I mean, it was so worth it. But it was definitely very, very monitored really closely. He would see me, like, every other week. Like, you don't really get that many ultrasounds with a pregnancy. It's just that he would see me so often to make sure that everything was happening the way it should, that my. That everything with me was healthy, that everything was good with my blood, with my sugars, everything. To make sure that this baby was in the best environment possible. You usually get one anatomy scan. He did, like, two, three anatomy scans. Like, he was really looking at every detail of the baby's diagram development, because that was, like, the biggest thing where, like, why does my body keep doing this? It could be something wrong with, like, the embryos or something. So they were. They did all the testing. They. He was so on Top of everything. And I'm so grateful for him.
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B
You know, what is your birth story, and what was that moment like for you when you finally had your baby in your hands?
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A
Oh, my gosh. I feel like Mia's birth is always going to be so special to me. You know, I have two daughters now, but Mia's birthday is like. It was just like Cloud 9. Like, I could not believe I was even there. The whole experience, the whole pregnancy, I would be like, I can't believe I'm, like, actually pregnant. I'm eight months pregnant. I'm nine months pregnant now. The day. The morning of that, I went to the hospital, I was, like, balling like a baby. I was like, it's here in that moment. Even then, you're scared. Like, I hope everything goes good, you know? I hope everything's good. I pushed, like, for three hours with her. She was huge. And she was born, and then they put her on my chest. I could not, not even, like, fathom. I was like, oh, my gosh. Because, you know, you're pregnant the whole time, but once you see them, you're like, you're. Who was in there the whole time? It was, like, the sweetest thing ever. Like, I actually look back at those days, and it feels like a dream. It feels like I was on a cloud. And I just remember being in recovery and, like, yeah, you're, like, achy and, like, you're bleeding and, like, it's, like, so crazy. There's so much happening, but at the same time, you're, like, on cloud nine. Your nipples all sore. Everything's, like, crazy, crazy, but you're so excited. And it was, like, the best moment of my life.
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B
What was the first week like? Did you have, like, a lot of sleepless nights? Was it hard for you? What was it like adjusting to being.
- [92:36]
A
A mom now, I feel like, because she was so, so, so desired. Every little step was so exciting. In the beginning, like, going home, I was like, I'm taking my little doll home. Like, it literally feel like you're taking your baby doll, but she's literally like, flash. You're like, oh, yeah, she's mine. Like, I was literally so excited taking her home and, like, dressing. Oh, my God, putting her first outfit on. It was the best. And then obviously, yeah, with, like, weeks and stuff, you're like, oh, my gosh, this is tiring. You know, they cry a lot. Mommyhood is not that easy, you know? And then also the hormone shifts, even if you're so excited and you're so happy to have this baby. No matter how desired they are, your hormones are literally up here when you're pregnant. The moment you give birth, they plummet to the fucking ground. So that's when, like, postpartum blues comes in. I feel like I got postpartum blues. I wouldn't say I was, like, fully, fully depressed, but I got the blues where, like, randomly, you'll feel like, this is, like, my home of, like. And you're like, why am I feeling this? I'm so happy. Like, I. I got what I wanted. I got my baby. I think it's a combination of, like, such a huge adjustment in your life, and then also the hormones. It'll do it, girl.
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B
Now you have your beautiful family. You have two daughters, you and Raul. How is motherhood and just your life changed now, familia? Do you feel like motherhood has really changed you for the good?
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A
It's changed me for the better. I always felt like I was an impatient person before until I had kids. I'm like, actually, I'm really patient. Like, your kids will make you patient. And it's just funny, too, how, like, both pregnancies happen, because, like, Mia, she was, like, so, so desired. Like, I mean, they're both desire. They're. I love both of them so much. Like, everybody always says, like, when you have your second kid, how is it going to feel? Like, because I always thought, like, how is it going to feel when I have my second one? Like, am I gonna love them as much as my first? You absolutely do. 100 love them as much. Your heart literally doubles in size when you have your next kid. And it's crazy because with Mia, you know, I tried so much. Which is funny, because with Camila, my youngest, I actually had taken a plan B with her. And, like, I had no idea I was gonna get pregnant, you know? I'm so glad she's here. Like, thank God. God really said, plan a baby. He said plan A.
- [94:37]
B
What do you mean, plan, babes? No. Your plan is gonna grow today.
- [94:41]
A
I took it on time and everything. I genuinely was in a position where I did not want to have another baby at the time. So when I got pregnant, I was actually flabbergasted because I was like, oh, my gosh. What? You know, and then I remember when I had her, like, I was obviously. I got excited about it eventually.
- [94:55]
B
Pregnancy, or was it still smoother?
- [94:57]
A
Okay, it was actually so much smoother. I think also, like, with a weight loss in general, like, with, like, this time I didn't have diabetes. And, like, it was just, like, so much smoother that it was the smoothest pregnancy ever. I didn't have to be on a journey, rejections or any of that. So it was so much easier with her. But it's just funny, like, how it's, like, so opposite. And then when I had her, I remember on our ride home, bringing my second baby home, I remember looking at her crying, and I was like, I can't believe you were about to not be here with a plan B. Like, everything happens for a reason, truly. Because I see her now. I'm like, you literally complete us. Like, I love my family so much, my little family. I'm like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe I have my own little, like, humans. Like, it's iconic.
- [95:34]
B
How do you deal with. With mom guilt? Because I feel like mom guilt is very real, and it's something that a lot of women go through, especially you. You know, you're a business owner. You're always, you know, you're an influencer where you feel like you have to go here and there. Do you ever get, like, mom guilt? Like, oh, my God, I just left the house and I already want to go back home. And how do you deal with the. Like, you know what? It's okay. This fruta. You're doing enough. Stop feeling guilty.
- [96:00]
A
Yeah, that's real. Like, with work or just like, how do you explain to. Yeah, like, to people where you're like, I'm going to this event. It's work. But, like, I'm leaving my kids, and you think that I'm probably just gonna go party, but, like, it's actually good for me. You know, there's moments like that, too, that. Yeah, there's times that I'm like, dang, do I need to go to this event? And I feel like that's where I'm kind of at now. Like, for a while, I did have a lot of that guilt, and I was like, I'm not going to any of these events. I have a baby at home. And then I feel like with the time that passes by, I'm like, no, it's actually good to go and, like, get to know other creators. Like, it's. You're literally networking, working. You get to meet brands. You know, you get to so many things come out of events all the time, you know, so it's always. It's always good for you. And it is work in a sense, you know, or just, like, anything, even at home, like, if I'm filming the podcast, like, we film out of our house, so I'll just tell me, like, I'm going to work. And she's probably like, what do you mean? There is a guilt that I get. Like when I'm on my computer or on my phone editing something, like a tick tock or something where if she's like trying to get my attention, I'm like, baby, I'm working. And I'm like, like on my phone. And then I'll catch myself and I'll clock myself and be like, this just don't feel right. Like, because then my baby's seeing me on my phone and she's. And I'm telling you, like, hold on, baby, hold on. I'm working, I'm working. And like, something about that doesn't feel right. Even if I know, like, no, I need to submit this, you know, like a brandy or something. I'm like, hold on, I'm trying to get this done. Or I'm reading through emails or something that is something that I don't like. And I actually try to intentionally go on my computer. Like, if it's emails or even messages, like, I'll try to get it all done on the computer. Computer. Because I feel like she kind of understands. Like, I'm in my desk, I'm doing my own thing. I don't like when I'm on my phone and she's like, you know, it's.
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B
More like you're just doing something else on your phone instead of computer looks more work. Right, Right.
- [97:37]
A
Like, I feel like it does though. No. Yes. Because like, then I feel bad whenever I'm on my phone doing something, I'll tell Roll, like, can you please distract her? Like, because just naturally my kids, like with their mom, they're just very like anything. They want food, they want something. Like the first one, they're gonna go to the mommy, you know, So a lot of times, like there is, you know, there has been times I'm like, mia, go. Go ask your dad. Go ask your dad.
- [97:58]
B
And I'll be like, I'm like, girl.
- [98:00]
A
Go ask your daddy. And I'm like, and then I'll catch myself. I'm like, that looks crazy.
- [98:05]
B
Like, wait, but I feel like it's motherhood, you know?
- [98:07]
A
And I'm like, wait, I'm submitting something. Like, I'm not ignoring you. But like, if you were to see it from the third eye, you'd be like, get off your phone.
- [98:13]
B
She'll probably grow up and maybe be like, oh, my mom was busy. But then she'll get to a point where she's like, you know what? My mom. Mom was always working. My mom was, like, busy because she was trying to do her best to provide, to do whatever the she had to do.
- [98:26]
A
But, like, I recognize it, though. That's why I'll be like. I'll intentionally be like, let me get stuff done on the computer. So, like, so that I. She won't think, you know. Other than that, though, like, in general, working from home a lot of times, too, is. Is a huge blessing. You know, obviously we have the warehouses stuff, but a lot of times I could work from home. Even if I am, like, you know, on socials a lot and stuff. At the same time, I do feel really blessed to be at home with them. Like, we're always like, one thing for sure. Sure is, like, we have this thing where I'm, like, in the morning, we're having breakfast together as a family, or, like, dinner. Little things like that, that I'm like, phones away, everything away. Like, this is our moment to, like, have a little family time or whatever.
- [98:59]
B
I love that. I've been loving this whole conversation, girl. Like, I feel like I've really gotten to know you a little bit, even, like, on a different level, you know? You know, like, especially about this, you know, what piece of advice can you give anyone watching that is currently going through a miscarriage, has. Has gone through a miscarriage and feels like there won't ever be a rainbow at the end of their tunnel?
- [99:22]
A
You know what? That's such a good question. Because when you're going through that, nothing helps. Like, all the words. Someone could literally tell you, like, girl, I had this many miscarriages. Like, trust me, like, it's gonna happen for you. People would tell me that, and I'd be like, no, but I'm different. All right?
- [99:38]
B
Or you'd almost take, like, shut the up.
- [99:40]
A
Yeah, no, I'll be like, no, but, like, I don't think I could. Like, I don't know.
- [99:43]
B
You.
- [99:45]
A
You just think, like, negative, just not naturally, you know. All I would say is just take it a day at a time. And I know right now you're thinking like, no, but, you know, just take it at a day at a time. And truly, truly, like, when. When you least expect it, God's gonna make it happen. And don't give up, girl. Do not give up. That's all I could say, because I know being in that position, like, no matter what people say, you're like, okay, well, just one day at a time, truly.
- [100:10]
B
And I really do feel like, even though it sounds A little corny. Not corny, but it just sounds like, oh, everyone says that like the tiempos de Dios are so right. That means we've talked. I've talked about it before. You know, my sister Tambien, she had a lot of complications, you know, getting pregnant to the point that she had already in her head been like, you know, if I'm gonna be a mom, it's gonna be through adoption. You know, I'm gonna adopt, I'm gonna adopt because you know what I mean biologically. And when she stopped stressing over it, when she stopped really being like, I need to get pregnant, I want to get pregnant.
- [100:46]
A
Your body literally, like the stress actually affects your body. Cuz the moment you let the stress go, you're like, okay, that's really what, what happened to me. I was like, oh, oh shoot. Like really when you really fully let go, like the stress in your body almost like does something. When the stress leaves your body, it helps a little bit.
- [101:02]
B
I love it. Las trust God's timing because. To really appreciate. You know. With that being said, thank you so much, Karina for coming on the podcast. Before we get going, Amigas. Proximos cinco de okay, period.
- [101:26]
A
That's such a good one. Hopefully still doing something.
- [101:30]
B
I hopefully not broke.
- [101:33]
A
You know what? Anything I imagine only fat. You know what, wherever the wind takes me, I'm just, you know, taking it one year at a, one day at a time, baby. And whatever God has in store for me, you know, I'm here for it. And we just gotta segu the champion. That's it.
- [101:56]
B
And I'm so excited to enco ados. With that being said, amigas, Karina, make sure you guys go ahead and follow her on our social medias, which I'll leave down below as well as on the screen so you guys won't miss any future episodes. And with that being said, thank you so much.
- [102:16]
A
Thank you so much for having me. It was an honor.
- [102:18]
B
Thank you guys so much for watching and we'll see you guys in the next one. Bye guys.
- [102:23]
A
Bye.
- [102:24]
B
You did so good.
- [102:33]
A
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