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RERUN - S2E1: "Goodbye to All That" with Elaine Miles
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As we take a break, let’s start off the new year looking back at one of our favorite episodes from Season 2!
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Elaine Miles
Well, the holidays have come and gone once again.
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Jeanine Turner
But if you've forgotten to get that.
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Elaine Miles
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Jeanine Turner
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Elaine Miles
Offer of half off unlimited wireless.
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Jeanine Turner
So here's the idea. You get it now, you call it an early present for next year.
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Elaine Miles
What do you have to lose?
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Jeanine Turner
Give it a try@mintmobile.com Switch limited time 50 off regular price for new customers. Upfront payment required 45 for 3 months, $90 for 6 month or 180 for 12 month plan taxes and fees. Extra speeds may slow after 50 gigabytes per month when network is busy. See terms. Hello listeners, it's Jeanine Turner. We took a break for the holidays, but we will be back with new episodes of Northern Disclosure soon. In the meantime, we're bringing back one of our favorite episodes from the archive. Enjoy and we'll see you soon. Happy 2026.
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Rob Morrow
Welcome to Northern Disclosure. This will be our ninth podcast with me, Rob Morrow, and the beautiful Jeanine Turner. And we're gonna take you yet again on a journey into an episode. And this time the episode is entitled Goodbye to All that. And I just want to say first off that we're so grateful that y' all have been coming out and, and listening and watching. You can, you can either listen to the podcast wherever you get your podcast or you can watch it on the, on the, on the Northern Disclosure YouTube channel. So it's your choice. But we're so grateful and we've gotten such, both of us have gotten such great feedback that, you know, it warms our hearts because the show is very special to us, not just as a job, but as something that has meaning, you know, and knowing that it has meaning for other people and is, it's just a great thing, don't you think?
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Jeanine Turner
Janine Yes, I thank everybody for their warm comments and the excitement. I was just watching this particular episode and it's just such a feelgood, sweet show and I think everybody misses that in sort of the benevolent universe you're always talking about. And so I appreciate, not only do I appreciate everybody's comments, but I appreciate the shares. I've had like record breaking thousands of shares of my post talking about the show. So that's helped, helping spread the word because the more we spread the word, the better the show and the more we get to continue doing.
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Rob Morrow
Yeah, I guess people should like it where they can, wherever there's a thumbs up or something like that and share it and, and you know, it's funny what you, it's interesting what you're saying because that, you know, there, there's something I, I've noticed. I don't know about you. I, I think I watch more te television than you, but there's a lot of cynicism and in what I'm watching and it's not bad. I, I like it, you know, but, but I, I crave and not, not just saccharinized hope, but deep, humane hope. And, and I think the show, when it's, when it's working on all cylinders, it does. And goodbye to all that. As you said, it's a really great episode. You know, there's so many interesting moments and, and turns and, and I know, I'm sure you've got a bunch of favorite lines, but I just want to say that at, at the end, first of all, you look so stunning. You know, you just look so great.
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Jeanine Turner
Petty straps.
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Rob Morrow
Oh, where's the pearls? But it's funny, you know, that there's something, there's, there's a look between you and I at the end of the episode, you, you come to my aid and you offer me closure because, because I received a quote dear Joel letter from Elaine, my fiance in New York. And she, she's, she's breaking up with me. And, and in order to give me closure, the town Darren, led by, by Ed and, and, and you put together this kind of like a play where I go into it as myself and, and you give me closure and you play Elaine. And I just want to say there's a look between us before the scene cuts that is so interesting because it sets up the future. Joel. Maggie. Like it feels like a real turning point to me where you, you know, they both know there, there's something coming. Like they're, they're headed towards something. Like it's like it's It's a shift, don't you think?
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Jeanine Turner
Oh, are you talking about when I was standing? That very last look that I give you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a beautifully written scene. It was. It was incredibly touching, too. I thought, you know, that Column walks out. John Column, who played Holling. He walks out with your little. You know, that Darren listened, first of all. Darren, who came into your house unannounced.
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Rob Morrow
Of course, as always, Ed comes into.
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Jeanine Turner
Your house unannounced, but he listens to you. And you're lying there in that kind of depth of depression, which I think everybody, if you've lived long enough, we can all relate to it. And Ed hears, you know, about the. The coffee and the straws and the closure, and he doesn't know what that means. And I've never forgot. I've learned so much from the show, too, about closure, even. And. But that scene when. When. When Holly walks out with your little coffees and he slips. He almost slips, you know.
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Rob Morrow
Right. I think he probably. That was real. Probably, right.
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Elaine Miles
May have been.
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Jeanine Turner
It was cold. They were very worried behind the scenes. Like Janine, you're gonna have to wear it. I did wear my spaghetti straps for everybody. You're gonna have to wear a spaghetti striped dress. And it's.
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Elaine Miles
It's.
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Jeanine Turner
That was real snow. That was not pretend snow. That was real snow. But the way he walks out and puts those little coffees next to you. And then I come out, it was just. It was incredibly moving because it was. It was just people being nice to one another and caring about one another and wanting to help one another. And even at the end, I think when. When. Oh, and that whole scene between Shelley and. Between Shelley and. And John. And I keep trying to say John Corbett, you know, Shelly and Chris, where he becomes the. The confession, the priest.
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Elaine Miles
And they put that curtain.
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Jeanine Turner
They put that little curtain between them.
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Rob Morrow
So cool.
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Elaine Miles
And he.
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Jeanine Turner
He listens. And she goes, no, no, you're not supposed to say that. And he's like, oh, okay. And you're supposed to give me Hail Marys or something. And he says, well, all I really know is a Buddhist, you know, chant or something.
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Rob Morrow
Buddhist chant.
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Elaine Miles
And she goes, okay.
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Jeanine Turner
You know, but it was just. Everybody tried. And then when she walks back in and sees Holly and says, holly, and I'm so sorry. It was just so sweet.
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Rob Morrow
Yeah. And that scene with Darren, you're right. The scene with Darren is so lovely. He comes in and. And it's just. There's something so tender about so many of the moments and we should say that this was written by Robin Green, was one of our regular writers, and.
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Jeanine Turner
With Mitch Mitchell, Burgess. They were a team.
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Rob Morrow
I don't know if I think this as the credit. Right. It was just her, but she's a fascinating woman and she has a great. I don't know if you read Janine. She put out a memoir, and it's great because she was the. The first woman hired at Rolling Stone magazine in the 70s, and she has great stories, so we'll get her as a guest. But she. She wrote it. And Stuart Margolin was the director. And if you remember, Stuart Margolin, when we were kids, was a big TV star. He was on the Rockford Files. He played angel, and he was very funny. And he was also on a show called Love American Style as one of the kind of ensemble sweeter than the. What is it? Sweeter than Red, White and blue Love.
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Jeanine Turner
I always want to watch that.
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Rob Morrow
Yeah, yeah. But. But Stuart was. And I just want to point out that, you know, he's an actor and a director. And I don't know about you, but I find for the most part, you know, we had Adam Arkin on last week, and. And Adam is a director. Actor. I find that actor. Directors are. Are easier to work with because they get it. You know, there's no. They're. They're not trying to shove you into something that, you know, that you're not comfortable with. They understand what. What it's like.
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Jeanine Turner
It's just the elements of layers of what happens with an actor. And I just watched this documentary on Gloria Swanson, you know, and she was from Sweden, and she had this great mentor and everything had to have sort of the concept and the depth and whatnot. And when you. When you work with actors, they know that. I mean, as I mentioned before, there are a lot of directors we work with that know the mechanics of camera, but they don't know how the actor works and feels motivated and how to pull out the best performances or even how to talk to an actor. So, yeah, I thought. I thought he did a wonderful job. And I thought the show was just super sweet. I. I thought when Cynthia comes down the aisle with that broom and recites Shelley, you know, all those. All those shows with the accents, you know, differently in different languages, or maybe they were all Spanish.
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Elaine Miles
I don't know.
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Jeanine Turner
It was hard for me to catch.
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Rob Morrow
There's a lot of Italian. There was Italian stuff.
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Jeanine Turner
I can't roll my R to save my life. I'm like, oh, my God, she did Such a good job with that, but it was a lot of fun. And also, I might add the Woody Allen esque moments, you know, that flashback with you in the trenches getting shot.
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Rob Morrow
And so beautifully shot. And that moment that, the segue to that scene. So it's just when I'm reading the Dear Joel letter from Elaine and I'm starting to sink and Stuart had this great idea. I've never done it since. I've never been asked to do it. At the end of the letter, he. He has me squat down on. Below the camera. It was such a cool thing because it, it conveys that I'm sinking, literally. And then it cuts to this fantasy sequence where I'm In World War I, you know, reading the. A Dear John letter in this case. And, and, and in this battle sequence, you know, with this existential crisis, which is so fascinating and it's in black and white and it's one of the, I think two fantasy sequences in the episode. The other one is where yet again, I'm doing a version of Dustin. A Dustin Hoffman scene in the Graduate. No, no. The Graduate.
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Jeanine Turner
Right, yes, right. Yes, yes, yes.
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Rob Morrow
And so, so the, the. And it's done as a, as a, as a silent movie with sub. With titles, title cards. Yeah, it's so, and it's so beautiful looking.
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Jeanine Turner
Well, and the way they had, they had Elaine actually covered in all these veils and he was an older man who had actually retired. I mean, that was funny in itself. But you. If we back up a little bit, you had that wonderful. I just want to go back to, to what you're talking about with, you know, World War I, you know, being in the trenches. Anyone who deals with ups and downs and lows of, you know, of depths of depression or dark times or whatever, we all, as humans, you can't be human and not have those moments. That was so symbolic, you know, being shot, you know, that it was just really symbolic.
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Rob Morrow
And then it's like life, life as a battle, life as, as war.
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Jeanine Turner
Yeah, yeah. I often say we live in purgatory. That's what I often say. But there's just enough joy, just enough love to keep you going. But man. So it's like the hope of the great next phase. But, but you, but that, that scene with the young you in the movie theater was so Woody Allen, you know, and the young Joel Fleischman. Like we gotta. We going to be when we're 40 if we don't get it together.
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Rob Morrow
And can I tell you that I told you, Ari Melber, who's a host on msnbc, the Beat show told me that he auditioned to play that part, the young me.
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Elaine Miles
Oh, funny.
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Jeanine Turner
The young actor that they hired was, was really terrific and. But one of my favorite moments about that was at the end though, when it goes. And then they go to a master, a big wide shot and there you are in your coat against a clear white screen. I really, I really love the spiritual element of the show and the way it just takes chances with alternate universes and other dimensions, plays with this type of spirit. It really is a spirituality. Of course, we're going to see that in the next episode next week as well.
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Rob Morrow
And I get into our favorite line. Wait, so I, I have one here, I have one here because on that scene where the kid says to me, so we're watching, I'm watching them, I end up depressed in the movie theater though. Sicily has one movie theater and I guess the, the feature film is played out and everyone's gone and I'm sitting there by myself and they starting to close up the movie theater and all of a sudden I start watching a movie of my life. People talking to me from the screen. And at one point a younger version of me comes to tell me that if I don't get my act together, I'm going to be in trouble. And his line was so great. He says he's like a 12 year old version of me talking to me in the audience from the movie. And he's like, look, if you don't get, you don't get it together, you're gonna have a full tilt, no holes barred, complete mental disintegration, nervous breakdown by the time we're 40.
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Jeanine Turner
And he had to memorize that line. That line. That's a great, that's like you're the most vile, odious, pernicious waste of corporal souls I've ever had the misfortune to lay my eyes on.
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Rob Morrow
You're right. It's like the same, same cadence.
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Jeanine Turner
No, but, but that's a great line. Read that again. Read that again. That's a great line. Read it again.
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Rob Morrow
It's, it's. The kid says if you don't get your act together or something like that, we're gonna, we're gonna have a no hold. You're gonna have a no holes barred, complete mental disintegration nervous breakdown by the time we're 40.
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Elaine Miles
We're 40.
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Rob Morrow
Yeah.
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Jeanine Turner
Yep, been there, been there a few times in my life. And now that I'm 62, I've had a full. No holes barred Mental disintegration.
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Rob Morrow
I've been there with you. I've been there as well.
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Jeanine Turner
Disintegration. Okay. Some of my lines that I thought were funny were. And we have to get our special guest in because we have such a special guest excited. I love the joke when I. When Maggie's there with a urine infection and everybody says, I guess Rick made it back okay. Because everyone's assuming it's sex that gave me the. The bladder infection. And even, you know, Marilyn says it. I see Rick's back. I mean, and then she. You get the letter that she breaks up with you, and you walk out holding my urine cup.
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Elaine Miles
You know, like, where are you going?
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Jeanine Turner
I'm like, where are you going? You're still holding my. My cup. I love the whole ying and yang woman thing that, you know, that he talks about when you want to meet a woman from Swath and he knows a woman from Swarthmore, and he goes, oh, you know those colored schools. Brown.
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Rob Morrow
Right.
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Jeanine Turner
And I also thought was really funny when Rick comes into the bar and he goes, hi, High Flashman. And you did a real deep, funny. Hi, Rick.
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Rob Morrow
You know, I know. I wonder if I just did that in the moment. I think I probably did.
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Jeanine Turner
That was really funny. And then we already talked about the black and the white movie. Is. I wrote down, is there growth? Is there no catharsis? I wrote down that must have been from that scene.
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Rob Morrow
And there's one. I had one. I. I just love when Chris is talking on the. The radio, kind of setting up the show and the themes, as he often does with his little monologues out to K Bear, the. The. The radio station audience. And. And he says, like Carl Young said, embrace your grief because that is where you will grow.
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Jeanine Turner
I wrote that down too.
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Rob Morrow
Yeah. And then he plays. And then he plays the blues.
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Elaine Miles
Yes.
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Jeanine Turner
Embrace your grief, because that's where you will grow. You know, that's a. One of my favorite quotes is from Gahil Gibran, which I'm probably mispronouncing, but he said the self same. Well, that is filled. I always like to say filled with your laughter first, but I think it's reversed. But the safe. The self same. Well, that is filled with your laughter is also filled with your tears. I think it's actually opposite the self same will that's filled with your tears is also filled with your laughter. So it's the same thing. But. But I mean, what they were able to do to bring in just the continuing depth, depth of. Of spirituality, depth of emotion, depth of Intellect, depth of. Quirky. Depth of. Of. Of, you know, ingenuity. Just bringing out these. These kind of unique aspects of the dream sequences and whatnot. It was a classic show.
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Rob Morrow
It really explored the human condition, I think, in a nutshell, humanity. So let's. Let's bring out our guests, shall we?
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Jeanine Turner
Yeah, I was gonna say that.
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Elaine Miles
Yes.
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Jeanine Turner
And she is such a pivotal, pivotal, pivotal star in. In Northern Exposure, and everybody loves her. So, Rob, introduce her.
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Rob Morrow
This is the great Elaine Miles, who is here in person with us, and we were both looking forward to seeing you. I keep up with Elaine a little bit on Facebook, so I know her life is doing well and her son is doing great. And. And I watched her last year on. On the Last of Us and was so excited. And. And I was. You were so great on that. Did you have fun shooting that?
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Elaine Miles
Oh, my God, we had so much.
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Rob Morrow
Fun doing that with Graham Green.
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Elaine Miles
And he played. I played his wife. I played his wife.
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Jeanine Turner
Wow. I need to go watch that. That sounds.
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Rob Morrow
Yeah, yeah, because it was such a good scene. It was. So you just go. Just go look at that. What episode was that? Do you remember?
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Elaine Miles
Five. Five or six.
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Rob Morrow
Go. Yeah, go watch that. Janine episode five. Because she's so good. And her. And Graham Greener. And I remember. I think there was a lot of people saying online, like, wait a minute, you know, because they were from the show.
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Elaine Miles
It's called.
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Jeanine Turner
It's called the Last of Us. Is that it?
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Rob Morrow
Yeah. Hbo.
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Elaine Miles
Yeah. Okay. I was just gonna say it was fun working with Graham again, you know, because he played my uncle on Northern Exposure, and then on the Last of Us, I played his wife, and he was laughing because he goes, el, be my. Like, my daughter instead of my wife.
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Rob Morrow
He's great. Yeah. I remember when Graham came and it was. We were all so excited because he's such a dignified presence and. And. And he was. He brought such a great kind of truth and honesty and. And gravitas to. To the show. Don't. Don't you guys remember that?
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Elaine Miles
Yes. Yes, I do. Yep.
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Jeanine Turner
And then he went on to Dances With Wolves. He was in Dan Big Story.
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Rob Morrow
I think that was before.
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Jeanine Turner
Yeah, yeah, we were before. But he went on to do that, didn't he? Wasn't he?
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Rob Morrow
No, I think that was before.
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Elaine Miles
Yeah, I think before.
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Rob Morrow
Yeah, that was in the 80s.
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Elaine Miles
Yeah. Yeah.
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Jeanine Turner
Oh, was it?
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Elaine Miles
Yeah, it came 87. For some reason that first season we were on. It came out. Yeah. Okay.
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Rob Morrow
Right. You know, Janine and I kind of talked about it a few times so far. But we didn't want to give it away. Can you tell us a little bit about your story of how you came to be on Northern Exposure? Because it's a great story.
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Elaine Miles
Oh, my God. I just told it last week, too. I did this video for something. But anyway, it was all by accident. The right place at the right time. I drove my mom to the audition, and it was a hot May day on a Friday. We were on our way to a powwow, and my mom was like, well, I have to go and audition for this show or what? I was like, yeah, okay. It's not going to take long, is it? And she's like, nah. So we go there and there's like, this.
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Rob Morrow
Was she an actress?
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Elaine Miles
She used to do, like, plays and little videos, you know, so she. She knew what she was doing, you know, and I didn't. I had no clue. I had no clue. And then when I got there, I parked.
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Rob Morrow
That's why you were so great, by the way.
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Elaine Miles
Yeah, that's what. That's what Josh and John used to tell me, you know, because they used to tell me I had natural ability, you know, that I was a needle in the haystack. And did you know they actually paid me to not go to school?
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Rob Morrow
No, Go to acting school.
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Elaine Miles
How old were you? Because I was going to go to school to, you know, for acting. And I go, I think I can do that. And then come back. And then they both took me in the office. And you're like, elaine, don't go to school. We. We hired you because of your natural ability. You know, you. You're the one in a million that has that natural ability to do what you're doing, and that's why we hired you. And I was like, wait, but what did they.
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Rob Morrow
They.
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Elaine Miles
They.
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Rob Morrow
Then they coughed up money and said, here, we'll give you this if you don't go to school. That's amazing.
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Elaine Miles
Yeah, that's amazing.
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Jeanine Turner
Who's paid not to go to acting school? I don't know too many people that are paid not to go to act.
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Rob Morrow
I know, right? Wait, so go back to. Go back to the. So you. So you drop your mom off for audition?
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Elaine Miles
I dropped off my mom, and I walk up there, and there's, like, a mess of native women. I mean, they were all dressed to the nines. Some of them, you know, had the dresses, jewelry, diamonds, pearls. I was like, I never seen so many native women in my life dressed like that. And then here my mom and I walk in with our shorts and T shirt on. My hair was all rolled up and John Ricky was there. And he's actually the one that. That found me because people always say.
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Rob Morrow
Oh, I found John Freaky was the. John Freaky was the local casting. A great guy, and he was the casting director in Seattle. We had ones in LA and New York. But the one that cast the locals.
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Jeanine Turner
We saw him the most because he.
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Elaine Miles
Was in town, but he kept looking at. He goes, would you. Are you here for the audition? And I was like, no, I'm not 35. You know, it's my mom.
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Jeanine Turner
How old were you?
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Elaine Miles
How old were you? I'm not saying. Because then you'll know how old I.
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Jeanine Turner
62. Let's own it. Let's own it.
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Elaine Miles
Okay, I'm 65. Okay, I'm 60. Okay.
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Jeanine Turner
So you were like, 20. You were 25.
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Elaine Miles
I was like 30. Was I 30? 20? 29. 30 around there, yeah. So I was insulted because he asked me. And then my mom. My mom. My mom got mad at me in our language, and she goes, just audition so we could get the hell out of here, you know? So I was like, okay, I'll go do it. And it was just that I'm here for the job. That's all it was. And so I walked.
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Rob Morrow
You've never done anything like that, right? You've never read anything? You never read a script or anything?
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Elaine Miles
Never did anything at all like that.
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Rob Morrow
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Elaine Miles
So I auditioned, and then we left. We went to the Powwow in Canada, and my dad kept calling our hotel, and then he's like, you guys gotta come home. You can't go on to Alberta. You gotta come home. They want you to audition on Monday in Bellevue. And then mom goes, oh, okay. So my mom told me, well, we gotta go home. We auditioned with the group of people on Friday, went for callback on Monday, and then there was only four of us. My mom, myself, and two other women.
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Rob Morrow
And then you're up against your mom.
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Elaine Miles
Yeah, I was up against my Mom, I didn't know that, you know, because I thought, oh, I don't know what they're doing, you know, and they knew what we were doing, but I had no clue what we were doing. And then my mom. The other two ladies went in, came out, and then my mom went in, and then she came out. Then she told me in our language, she goes, they just asked if I'd moved to la. And I go, oh, are you going to move to la? And she goes, no, because we live here. And I was like, oh. And then I walked in and then, you know, they told me they liked what I did on Friday.
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Rob Morrow
What did you have to do? What was it like? Do you remember what this. What the scenes were?
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Elaine Miles
It was just that line, I'm here for the job.
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Rob Morrow
Just one line. Yeah, that's it.
- [26:20]
Elaine Miles
I'm here for the job. And then I held the paper and just said that, you know, I'm here for the job.
- [26:26]
Rob Morrow
I would argue that they didn't know how integral Elaine, Marilyn, the character you played, was gonna be until you came around. And then they built it up from there.
- [26:35]
Jeanine Turner
I noticed that in the second season, episode one, suddenly you were in it much more than even before, because I.
- [26:41]
Elaine Miles
Seen myself grow, you know, from. From the one line, I'm here for the job, you know, and then gradually moving up to more. Not just being seen, you know, in the background with the bagel or anything. You know, I was actually, like, conversing even.
- [26:59]
Jeanine Turner
That was funny.
- [27:00]
Elaine Miles
Oh, that was.
- [27:00]
Jeanine Turner
That bagel.
- [27:01]
Elaine Miles
That was one of my scene.
- [27:03]
Jeanine Turner
In that bagel scene.
- [27:05]
Elaine Miles
Every time I bagels, I think of that, you know, that was.
- [27:09]
Rob Morrow
I know you're sitting there, like, looking at the whole.
- [27:12]
Elaine Miles
Whirling it around because I never seen the bagel before, so. Yeah, but now, were you doing that?
- [27:18]
Rob Morrow
Do you remember? Were you doing that? Was you told to do that? You were just doing it?
- [27:21]
Elaine Miles
What? Just doing that.
- [27:23]
Rob Morrow
You were told to play with the bagel.
- [27:25]
Elaine Miles
Just playing with the bagel. They just said, you've never seen a bagel before. So. And I was like, okay. You know, so if I was up in the bush, you know, and didn't know what a bagel was, I'd be playing with it too, you know, because I put it on my finger. I was rolling and looking at it, and I remember the mike. What was her name? She worked the mic and she was laughing. She was laughing. We had to cut because she was laughing and the camera guy was laughing. And I was like, guys, I'm ruining it, you know, and they're like, elaine, you look so crazy.
- [28:01]
Rob Morrow
How did you find out that you were. You got the part, and what did.
- [28:04]
Elaine Miles
You think when you got it back to that story? They. They asked me inside, you know, if we get picked up and if you had the part, would you move to la? And then I looked at.
- [28:17]
Jeanine Turner
Interesting that they were asking about la.
- [28:19]
Rob Morrow
I guess they were thinking of moving.
- [28:22]
Elaine Miles
To la, but they ended up staying here in the Northwest. And then he was like. I looked at him all. And I go, well, you know, does my mom and dad have to go? And they're like, no, because you would be the one working. And I go, oh, okay, I'll do it. So I went for the cattle call on Friday, the callback on Monday, and then Wednesday, I started working over at Rosalind. You know, it happened.
- [28:55]
Rob Morrow
Was it Josh and John was Josh.
- [28:56]
Elaine Miles
And John and Patty and John Vrieki and someone else.
- [29:02]
Rob Morrow
So Josh and John created the show. Josh Brand, Jon Falzy and Pat.
- [29:07]
Elaine Miles
She was callous. Yeah.
- [29:11]
Rob Morrow
Yeah.
- [29:11]
Elaine Miles
Your.
- [29:12]
Jeanine Turner
Your reactions to things, you know, your. Your just. Just the. Your ability to absorb the scene and. And emotionally, intellectually, spiritually, like, absorb it.
- [29:23]
Elaine Miles
And then the.
- [29:23]
Jeanine Turner
The reactions that you had and that the camera caught and the way they edited it were just hilarious. And one of my favorite, favorite moments ever is when you kept saying to Fleischman, you have a call online.
- [29:40]
Elaine Miles
People always tease me about. I mean, to this, like, yesterday at Target, this guy is like, ring, ring, ring, ring. And then I looked over and I thought, the hell? And then he goes, you're wandering on line one. And then they start laughing. And then I looked at him, and he goes, I knew you were her. You look just like her, and you sound like her. And I was like, yes, it's me.
- [30:05]
Rob Morrow
I think there were a lot of.
- [30:06]
Jeanine Turner
Flashback would always say, we only have one line.
- [30:10]
Rob Morrow
I think there were a lot of kind of evolutionary moments in this episode, which makes sense because it was the first episode of season two and the first kind of moment between you and I. You give me my mail, which includes the Dear Joel letter. But before we get to that, I. I pull out the Publishing Clearinghouse sweepstakes thing that came. And you look at me and you give me this look. And I say, and I just kind of. I know what you're thinking. Like, you always know what I'm thinking, but I know what you're thinking at that point. And I say, okay, if you win, we split it. And I give it to you to open it. And I think that's a real. I Think it's Joel has finally fallen in love with Marilyn. And it's like, from then on, their pals.
- [30:52]
Elaine Miles
Yeah.
- [30:53]
Jeanine Turner
But it's funny at that moment, because you kind of kick her out of the room, right? Like, I'm gonna kick you out now. Don't come back because you were interpreting. It was just that comfortability of being able to say things like that. And then. And then you walk up to me in this particular episode and say, you echo again. Like, I see Rick is back because I'm holding, like, my year.
- [31:11]
Elaine Miles
And then I walk out nonchalantly. Yes, I see Rick's back. Rick.
- [31:21]
Jeanine Turner
And then. And then you read. Later, we find out that you read the letter. And so that's how everybody in town knows that Elaine has broken up with. With Fleischman. But we. I have to say, to go back a few episodes, you were so magnificent as well in the. The whole Russian flu episode, which is really kind of one of my favorite episodes. But the ipso ips. Ipso ipsy.
- [31:48]
Elaine Miles
That was one of my favorites. I was like, when they brought that stuff out to rub on you, I was like, oh, my God. What is. And I go, it smells like mint. Because, remember, they mix mint in it and. And, like, coconuts, too. And I was like, oh, my God. And we're rubbing this on.
- [32:08]
Rob Morrow
It's supposed to be. Supposed to be feces, right? Because the town gets. Gets this epidemic of a Russian flu, and the only cure is this native treatment. I think it's fictional.
- [32:20]
Elaine Miles
Yeah, that's.
- [32:21]
Rob Morrow
That was made up, though, right? That's not real, right?
- [32:24]
Elaine Miles
Yeah.
- [32:25]
Jeanine Turner
But there was that moment, you know, when at the end, and Rob Fleischman comes to you, and he wants to know the secret. He wants to know the secret so he can maybe monetize it, you know? And you look at him and you say, I'm not telling.
- [32:38]
Elaine Miles
You know, whatever it was, look at him and give the deer in the headlight look, like I always did. Like, I ain't telling you nothing.
- [32:46]
Jeanine Turner
You know, it's that quiet knowing. Would you say there was a knowing.
- [32:53]
Elaine Miles
That your character, she knew so much, you know, because people always ask me, do you play the piano? I was like, my fingers are too short. I never played the piano. And then one guy came up to me, downtown Seattle, one time, and he starts talking to me, and I'm looking at him like I'm Native American. I have no clue what you're saying. He was talking to me in French because, remember, Marilyn spoke French when they found us. Little frozen French guy. So yeah, right. Assumed I spoke French. I was like, no, no, that's an.
- [33:33]
Jeanine Turner
Integral, that's an integral memory of a fan from the show.
- [33:37]
Elaine Miles
I remember so much. I mean, I have people that, like, message me on Instagram or, or Facebook or they see me, they start reciting some of the stories I told. You know, it's like, oh, I think the only one I really remember is the one about the eagle when I'm with Rob's mom or with Joel's mom.
- [34:02]
Rob Morrow
Beautiful.
- [34:02]
Elaine Miles
I like that one. And I remember the horse one because I like horses. But all the other ones, I was like, I'm sorry, I, I, yeah, I, I did that, you know, and they.
- [34:13]
Rob Morrow
Were like, wait, when you say you remember, when you say you remember, do you mean literally you remember the dialogue.
- [34:17]
Elaine Miles
Or you just remember, Just remember it, you know, being told. It's like, God, give me a break. I don't remember everything.
- [34:27]
Rob Morrow
So I have to say, you know.
- [34:29]
Jeanine Turner
Many, There were so many, and it's just hard to remember all of them.
- [34:32]
Rob Morrow
You know, I have to say that I've said this often over the years, but I really learned a lot from you. You know, I mean, a testament to, I think the point that Josh and John were making when they asked you not study, when they paid you off to not study acting was because you, you know, talent is, is. It is a God given, you know, or, you know, it's innate. It's something that, that, that it's not acquired. I mean, you can acquire skill, but it's something that we just have or don't. And you have it. And I learned so much because, because, like, Janine and I both studied acting and we worked hard and planned out what we're going to do and, and I think you were just had this. If I did anything that had artificial quality artifice to it, it was so glaringly obvious next to you because you were so real and present. And so I had to calibrate my acting to you, you know, and I, and it was a real, A real lesson for me. And aside from being just fun, I mean, I just, I love doing scenes with you, but, but, but I learned from you.
- [35:38]
Elaine Miles
Oh, thank you. Because you taught me a lot, too. And, you know, I told you that when you left, left the show.
- [35:47]
Jeanine Turner
Oh, yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah, yeah, we'll have fun with that.
- [35:54]
Elaine Miles
Yeah, I want to come back for that.
- [35:57]
Rob Morrow
Yeah.
- [35:58]
Elaine Miles
Okay.
- [36:00]
Jeanine Turner
But not like I was gonna.
- [36:01]
Elaine Miles
Seriously, I learned so much in that. In that, I think, like the first two years, two and a half years, Of. Of the seasons we did, I think I've learned a lot from all of you, you know, because Barry. Especially Barry and you, Rob, because I worked with you the most, you know, you taught me, you know, how to be prepared, you know, especially when they start giving me the stories. I was like, holy shit, how am I going to do this? You know, it's like, it's a story, Mom. And my mom was like, relax. Just read it and read it and do it the way, you know, like you're doing right now. And I was like, oh, okay. You know, and then I get on set and have to tell my story.
- [36:50]
Jeanine Turner
How did your mother feel about the fact that she went in for the audition but you got it?
- [36:54]
Elaine Miles
Oh, she was happy for me because she was. She was like, well, you know, you'll get the experience, you know, because she did this before. And she goes, it's a lot of fun because you get to be someone different for a little while. And I was like, oh, okay. You know, and that's true, because I got to be someone different, you know, and. And I missed my family, though, you know, because there's a lot of things that I had to get used to, because being an actress, you can't just say, oh, I'm not going to be in today. I got to go to this, or, I want to go here, you know, or, oh, I don't feel good, you know, because we were all on set, you know, for hours. For hours. And we would be sick and everybody be sick, you know, but it. It's like, we made. We finished our episode, you know, And.
- [37:45]
Rob Morrow
And your mom. Your mom came on the show, too, so we should talk about that.
- [37:49]
Elaine Miles
Right? She was. She was in a poke.
- [37:50]
Jeanine Turner
She was in a poker scene with me. I think, recently, one of the episodes.
- [37:54]
Rob Morrow
She was in a bunch of shows, right. I think she played a few characters as well, as she was always an extra.
- [37:59]
Elaine Miles
She was Mrs. Anku that first season, right. And then the second season, they made her my mom, and so she became Marilyn's mom, and then she was like background and extra, you know, so she did a lot on that. I mean, she gets residuals, you know, so.
- [38:19]
Rob Morrow
Do you like working with her?
- [38:22]
Elaine Miles
It was crazy. Especially when Marilyn had the boyfriends working with my mom. It was. It was crazy, you know, but I enjoyed it, you know, and she was happy for me. And, you know, she didn't mind, you know, because a lot of people ask me that, you know, Was your mom mad? Was she mad at you? It was like, no, you know, did.
- [38:45]
Rob Morrow
You run lines together and.
- [38:47]
Elaine Miles
Not really well. When we worked, when we did the scenes together.
- [38:52]
Rob Morrow
Yeah, that's what I mean.
- [38:53]
Elaine Miles
Yeah, we did. We did run lines. And she told me, just relax, you know, because I'd be so nervous because I was always nervous those first few seasons because I was like, I don't wanna. I don't wanna mess it up, you know, I want this to go good. And everybody was like, no, you're doing good. Especially Peg. Peg would always, don't feel bad. You're doing good, you know, and. Oh, my God, after I had my son, remember, I fell asleep on set. It was during your scene, Jeanine. I was supposed to say something and then you just kind of nudged me and I got go, oh, my God. I fell asleep. And they're like, okay, let's give her a break. Oh, my God.
- [39:39]
Jeanine Turner
Having nursed my daughter on two movies of the weeks, I can relate to how exhausted you were.
- [39:47]
Elaine Miles
Yeah. And.
- [39:48]
Jeanine Turner
And how your perspectives change. I remember they had to put me in this car scene going down a hill, this cliff, and I'm like, don't put me in that car. Don't go down. And they did it anyway. And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm gonna die. And I've got like a six month old right there. So. It changes everything, doesn't it?
- [40:01]
Elaine Miles
It does. It does.
- [40:03]
Rob Morrow
I think, to your credit too, I noticed, you know, I forgot this, but Janine, I don't know if you caught this, but in the first maybe season or two, you're. You're given guest star credit.
- [40:15]
Elaine Miles
Yes.
- [40:16]
Rob Morrow
Right. And then eventually you make it into the main titles as, As a regular. What. What year was that?
- [40:22]
Elaine Miles
That was the second. Second season. The first. I think it was the middle of the second season because they. The first season I was a guest star. Then the second season it was guest star. And then I think it was almost to the end and they asked the agent, they told her, well, we're gonna make her a season regular. She's on there all the time. And I had no clue what that was. Anyway, I was just happy to be a part of it. And here I was, became a seasoned regular. And that's when everything kind of changed for real, you know, because seeing a native on a national, international TV show every week, that was a big thing for the native community.
- [41:10]
Jeanine Turner
Talk about that. Yeah, I'd like to talk about the whole native community. And that is true. That's an original aspect, I think, of the show. And, and how did you feel that was. That was Executed. Do you think that Northern Exposure did a good job with that? Because with. With the.
- [41:29]
Elaine Miles
The.
- [41:30]
Jeanine Turner
The influence of the incorporation of the Native American. Native Americans.
- [41:33]
Elaine Miles
Yes, they did, you know, because they. They. I know the first season, they kind of messed up because they had me do the powwow scene for the talent show. And I had to tell him, because I remember Barry telling me, he goes, tell them if you're not comfortable doing something, you know, tell them. And I go, well, you know, Alaskan natives don't dress like we do. Each. Each tribe has their own style of dress, their own type of songs and stuff. And then Barry goes, well, you get your little butt upstairs and you tell him, you know, that what you just told me, because I got so much hate mail from Alaska natives because they were like. Like, is she really Native? You know, we don't dress like that. Blah, blah, blah. And then I was like, oh, they don't like me. You know, what am I doing wrong? You know, and then Barry's one. He goes, tell them, you know, the difference between the tribes. If, you know, help us. You know, let them know that this is what they're doing. If they want to make it right for you natives, they have to listen. And I was like, okay. So I went upstairs and I spoke to him and told him, you know, Alaska Natives don't do that. And that's when they switched, you know, so Maryland start doing, like, the coastal things, Alaskan things, and then.
- [42:57]
Jeanine Turner
Then what's the difference? Tell us the difference. What was different?
- [43:00]
Elaine Miles
Like, the powwow scene that I did. That's how we. We dress like on the plateau, plains area, where we dress like that with the beadwork, the buckskin.
- [43:13]
Rob Morrow
Your. Your tribe is the cayuse Nez. Perfect, right? I remember learning that. I remember when you taught me that. I was like, so, like, I remember Cayuse Nesper. It was so specific.
- [43:22]
Elaine Miles
Yeah, very specific. So. But anyway, coastal is a little different. They. They have, like, a lot of wool, and their style of dresses were like. They use cedar. Cedar bark, you know, that shredded cedar bark. And they use dog hair to skirts and coats. They did, like, weaving and stuff, you know, so it. There. Theirs is a lot different than our style, you know, because each even, like in the southwest, theirs is different than the plains of plateau. So, you know, that was something that I admired about, you know, the Josh and John that actually listened and tried to portray all the natives correctly, you know, so then I. Who did.
- [44:15]
Jeanine Turner
Who to whom did you tell? Did you go? Which. Which producer?
- [44:18]
Elaine Miles
I went to both of them, because.
- [44:21]
Jeanine Turner
They were rarely in town. How did you get.
- [44:23]
Elaine Miles
I talked in town on the phone and on the phone, because I was like. I told. What was his name? Matt. Yeah, Matt. I told.
- [44:37]
Rob Morrow
Who was the line producer who was kind of responsible for keeping the trains moving, if you will.
- [44:43]
Elaine Miles
Yes, yes. And then I told him. So he called, and then we all just talked. We did, like, a conference call. And I was so happy when that happened, you know, because it showed that they cared about how the natives were. Were portrayed, you know?
- [45:02]
Rob Morrow
And then did the hate mail stop?
- [45:04]
Elaine Miles
Yes, it did.
- [45:13]
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- [45:54]
Elaine Miles
Yeah, they were. They were very positive. And. And what was cool about it is, like, they hired people, you know, like the Canadian actors, Michelle St. John, Floyd Red Crow, Westerman down here, you know, because he was well known. Well known in the industry, as well as Graham Green and then, like, Tim Sampson and, you know, they just hired. And then, like, the other people, you know, they were Native, and they were real Native people. And then what's crazy about it, when I joined SAG back in 1990, after I got this part, they asked me for proof of enrollment, and I was like, oh, okay, I can get that. You know, So I called the enrollment office at home and asked if I could get proof that I am enrolled with a federally recognized tribe, you know, and they don't do that anymore, you know, and.
- [47:03]
Rob Morrow
Oh, why is that? Why do you think that is?
- [47:06]
Elaine Miles
They have different, you know, different president or something with seg, but that one, I can't remember who was president in 1990, but they made me prove I was Native, you know, and I would. They go, if you're being hired for a native part, you have to prove that you're native. And then I was like, whoa, okay, I could do that, you know, so they asked me, I got my paperwork, I sent it in. And I know Floyd Red Crow had to do that, too, because he goes, I had to do that, you know, because he had to prove he was Lakota, you know, And I was like, dang, these guys are hardcore. But now they don't do that. That, you know, and interesting. Yeah, we're getting a lot of the Pretendians out there again. So, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [47:59]
Jeanine Turner
So, you know, I, I, I filmed a movie of the week, Stolen Women Captured Hearts. I saw that. The Native American community.
- [48:07]
Elaine Miles
Yeah.
- [48:08]
Jeanine Turner
And so it was so much fun. And then I've written a musical about Belva Lockwood. And she, she took, she was the first woman admitted to the bar of the United States Street State Supreme Court after fighting for it for five years because they wouldn't let a woman on the bar of the Supreme Court because there was no precedent.
- [48:23]
Rob Morrow
But she was a judge or a lawyer.
- [48:25]
Jeanine Turner
She was a lawyer, but they wouldn't let her on the bar of the United States Supreme Court because she was a woman, because there was no precedent of a woman. And she's like, well, there's no precedent. How are we ever going to make this happen? So she finally went to the legislative branch and after five years, she became the first woman. She, she got a bill passed in Congress, in other words, and the President signed it. Point is, she later argued the Cherokee Nation versus the United States who wanted their money back for the Trail of Tears. So it was really, it's kind of fascinating. It's wonderful experience to continue working, you know, with the Native American community. It's really, yeah, it's very special.
- [49:03]
Elaine Miles
Yeah.
- [49:05]
Rob Morrow
So, Elaine, how much is, is acting your main focus? And, and comedian?
- [49:12]
Jeanine Turner
I hear you do stand up comedy.
- [49:14]
Rob Morrow
I didn't hear that. Wow.
- [49:16]
Elaine Miles
Cynthia Gary.
- [49:17]
Jeanine Turner
Cynthia Gary told, told me that at least.
- [49:19]
Elaine Miles
Yeah.
- [49:19]
Jeanine Turner
Are you doing comedy? I do that.
- [49:21]
Elaine Miles
I did a movie with George Lopez. I think it was in 2000.
- [49:27]
Rob Morrow
Oh, he's a good guy.
- [49:28]
Elaine Miles
He's crazy. He's crazy.
- [49:30]
Rob Morrow
He's crazy, but fun. Crazy and fun.
- [49:32]
Elaine Miles
Yeah, exactly. But we were working on that movie Tortilla Heaven, and, and he was like, you know me on set, people getting, it's getting tense. I start teasing people, making people laugh. And I started doing that. And George looks at me and he's like, you're crazy. You're just crazy. He goes, you make me laugh. He goes, that's hard to do to make me laugh because I'm a comedian. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, you know, because I didn't really know him, you know. And then we were down in Taos, New Mexico, and he goes, I have a show in Albuquerque. You guys want to go with me? And then they asked Transpo if we could have A van. So we could all go, who drives me? Because I know my way around. So I drove us all down to Albuquerque to watch George's show. And he goes, I have a new little friend. She's native. Come up, Elaine. And I was like, oh, my God. And I. I went up there, and he kind of broke me in. You know, he just told me. He goes.
- [50:42]
Jeanine Turner
And you just started telling jokes.
- [50:44]
Elaine Miles
You just started telling jokes because, well.
- [50:46]
Jeanine Turner
We want to hear one. Tell us a couple.
- [50:49]
Elaine Miles
Come on. Like, I'm the one that's the naughty one, the 21 and over. So, yeah.
- [50:59]
Rob Morrow
You know, it's. It's. Here's a theme in your life, though. I mean, you get discovered walking into an office, and you're on. Then you become a TV star. Then you're doing a movie with George Lopez, and he's like, come up, man. No one's ever asked me to get up on stage with them and do stand up, like.
- [51:14]
Jeanine Turner
And then you're doing stand up.
- [51:15]
Elaine Miles
Yeah. So I do it. I still act, you know, off and on. It's like people. My. My sister always says, you're just picky. You're picky about what you do. And I go, no, I'm not. And she goes, yeah, you are. And then after I look at some of the stuff I do, I go, I guess I am, you know, because sometimes people send me scripts. And then I was like, I don't really.
- [51:40]
Rob Morrow
How did Last of Us come about? How did that come.
- [51:42]
Elaine Miles
Oh, my God. Remember when we had to promote the video Northern Exposure in Vegas? Well, they sent me and John Cullen. They're like, you two are going to go promote the videos. When they first came out. So we flew to Vegas, and there's, like, all these movie stars promoting all those videos. Me and John sitting here with Northern Exposure, and this young kid comes by, and he's. He talks to me, and he's like, oh, I love your character, Marilyn. Blah, blah, blah. And so I sat and I talked to him, you know, because he talked to me. So I talked to him, and then he told me. He goes, I'm going to school for writing, and I'm an. You know, hopefully get some stuff like movies and things, Become a writer on a TV show like Northern. And I was like, okay, let's. Let's. When you get famous, remember me. And then he smiled and he goes, when he found me, he found me on Facebook, and I thought, oh, this guy is getting on my nerves. He keeps writing to me. I have no clue who he is. And people Always send me, you know, scripts and stuff through Facebook. So I was like, here's another one. Okay, yeah, I'll read it. You know. Okay, thank you. And he goes, no, we met. Then they start telling me and I go, I remember that. I go, because John and I were talking to everybody, you know, but this.
- [53:17]
Rob Morrow
Kid, was that Craig. Craig Mason? Who was it?
- [53:21]
Elaine Miles
I can't remember his name because there's two of them. Them, right. And anyway, he messaged me on Facebook and he goes, I'm the one you met in Vegas at the video when you were promoting Northern Exposure videos. And I go, oh, the little writer. And he goes, you remember that? And I go, yeah, because I told you, you know, if you get famous, you write something. He goes, well, I wrote something for you. And I go, oh, okay. And then he told me it's a. A series called the Last of Us. And he goes, you may be in another one because it's going to be a series. And I was like, oh, cool, okay, I'll do it. You know, So I ended up doing it. And when I got up there, it was crazy because he told everybody because we had like a little meeting and he told everybody Elaine was the only movie star there that made time to talk to me. And then I was like, whoa, what an honor. Okay. I go, but I do remember talking to him, you know, because he was a young kid going to school for writing. And I just teasingly said, you know, remember me when you get famous.
- [54:44]
Rob Morrow
Wait, so it was Craig, Craig Mason or Neil Druckmann.
- [54:50]
Elaine Miles
I can't remember his name.
- [54:51]
Rob Morrow
Those are the guys that created. I love that first. There's. It's such a good show.
- [54:56]
Elaine Miles
He wrote that because if you see it, it's like a native couple live in the bush, you know, and he just. He wrote that to put. He loves Graham Green's work. And then he remembered me, you know, because I told him that, remember me when you get famous. And. And so he did, and he wrote that little part. It's like a five minute scene. But it was.
- [55:23]
Rob Morrow
You were so good. I mean, you even do. Even since.
- [55:26]
Elaine Miles
And we survived.
- [55:27]
Rob Morrow
Yeah.
- [55:27]
Elaine Miles
You know, because if you watch it, everybody dies in it. But Graham and I.
- [55:32]
Rob Morrow
So you didn't. Is that the only. Did you come back yet? Are you coming back?
- [55:35]
Elaine Miles
Oh, we don't know. We don't know because the second season already is done. But they're gonna. I think there's a third one. And Graham called and he goes, they didn't call me. And I go, yeah, they didn't call me either. And goes, oh, well, maybe the third one. I go, is there a third one? He goes, yeah, there's a third one.
- [55:52]
Rob Morrow
So we'll just put it out here. Craig Mason and Neil Druckman call Elaine Miles and get her back on the show.
- [55:59]
Jeanine Turner
Have you back on the show. It'd be so fun to have you back. Talk to us about your favorite. Do you have some favorite Northern Exposure shows that you did or memories I liked.
- [56:10]
Elaine Miles
My favorite one, I think, is when Darren or Ed the Indian buys pig her. Her grave and they dance on it.
- [56:22]
Jeanine Turner
Dancing on my grave.
- [56:24]
Elaine Miles
Yeah.
- [56:24]
Rob Morrow
That's such a great episode. One of my favorites as well.
- [56:27]
Elaine Miles
Yeah, that's one of my favorites. And then is that the one at.
- [56:31]
Rob Morrow
The end where they're. They're dancing on the cliff?
- [56:33]
Elaine Miles
Yeah.
- [56:34]
Rob Morrow
And it's a helicopter going around. And it's such a great show.
- [56:38]
Jeanine Turner
Great music as well.
- [56:39]
Elaine Miles
I love that one. And then the other one, I think was when you. When your twin brother came.
- [56:48]
Rob Morrow
Oh, that's my favorite too. We have the same favorite shows.
- [56:52]
Elaine Miles
That's my favorite because I was the only one that knew he was your brother. Did you ever. You can sense that. It's like. Yeah, she knew, you know, Jules Ette.
- [57:04]
Rob Morrow
Joel was the name of that episode. Jimmy Heyman directorial debut.
- [57:08]
Elaine Miles
Yeah, but those.
- [57:10]
Jeanine Turner
That's coming up that second season, I think.
- [57:12]
Elaine Miles
Yeah, but those. Those two are the ones that were my favorite. Yep.
- [57:17]
Jeanine Turner
And do you still in. Your son is an actor?
- [57:20]
Elaine Miles
Yeah, he. He actually did the Alamo, but they cut all the natives out. I remember Wes Doody was so mad because Wes. He goes, I've been down there. I was down there shooting for like, he was down there for a mile. And then we were there for like two weeks, you know, because my son played. What's his name? Cherokee son. And he. All his lines were in Cherokee. And Wes Duty's mom was the linguistic person, and so she was impressed. She was like. Because we. My mom had him put on the headphones because they recorded it. And then she goes, you listen to him it. And just keep saying that in your mind and talk like we talk, you know, because my mom spoke to him in our language, so he speaks our language. So he caught on to the Cherokee really quick. And I remember, is it Randy. Randy Quaid that was in that or Dennis Quaid? Dennis Quaid was it? I can't remember.
- [58:30]
Rob Morrow
I'm not sure.
- [58:31]
Elaine Miles
But anyway, he was the dad to son's character. And then he goes, you know, this kid comes in here and he's speaking. He goes, are you Cherokee? And I go, no, we're from the Pacific Northwest. We're Cayuse and Nespers, and my son is part Mescalara and Comanche, too. And he goes, wow. And you caught on. And then he. Because he was talking to Wes's mom in the Cherokee language. And then.
- [59:00]
Jeanine Turner
How old was he then?
- [59:02]
Elaine Miles
I think it was like. Like nine or ten. Yeah. And so then. Yeah, because they're like little sponges. They catch on real quick. And so Quaid's character ended up learning the language because she said, I'm having a hard time teaching him our language. And then he just came back in and he goes, if the kid can pick it up that quick, I can do this. I'm going to do this. So for, like, three days straight, they had to, you know, do the Cherokee lines, you know, and he did it. We were so proud of him. He did a good job, you know, and I was. I was really proud of him. Everybody was like, Wes was like, oh, my God, your boy is a good actor. Blah, blah, blah. I was like, yeah, it's just in the jeans, you know, Chipotle Block. I mean, he grew up on set, you know, and then when I worked after Northern Exposure, I went up to Canada and I was on that TV show, the Resident up there. And so he grew up the last two years on that, too. And then Smoke Signals and all the movies. He used to come with me all, you know, everywhere until they started school, and then he'd stay home, you know.
- [60:21]
Jeanine Turner
Where does he live now?
- [60:22]
Elaine Miles
He lives here. We still live here in Redmond, you know, all together. No, that's great. They live. They have their own place, you know. Don't make me live with him. Yeah.
- [60:37]
Rob Morrow
So we're kind of going to wind it up and. And, you know, I. I don't know if you've. I've been. I think I've had a smile on my face this entire podcast to talk.
- [60:46]
Elaine Miles
With you both, you know, because it's been a long time and. Yeah, very long time.
- [60:52]
Jeanine Turner
Like 30, 35 years.
- [60:55]
Elaine Miles
I know.
- [60:55]
Jeanine Turner
Think about that.
- [60:56]
Elaine Miles
Yeah. Because my son. My son's gonna be 31. 30 years.
- [61:00]
Jeanine Turner
30. 30 years.
- [61:01]
Elaine Miles
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [61:04]
Jeanine Turner
We wrapped in 95. 30.
- [61:07]
Elaine Miles
Yeah.
- [61:08]
Jeanine Turner
That's so good to see you.
- [61:09]
Elaine Miles
You look great. Thank you. You look beautiful. And, Rob, you're handsome as ever still, yet. And I listen to your music, too.
- [61:19]
Rob Morrow
Thank you. Thank you. So for everyone. Thanks for tuning in. And, you know, I think that Janine and I are talking about maybe Next episode, doing a Q and A. So what we'll do is question, we'll take, yeah, give us your questions to our Instagram or our Facebook or X or wherever you want. We won't necessarily get to all of them, but we will try to call some and, and talk about that and we'll do it again. We'll do it again. Occasionally. I know we're a little ahead of you, the audience in terms of when these are airing, but, but we will occasionally do it. And this has been some of you.
- [61:56]
Jeanine Turner
On the show, too, some of our, some of us on social media. But, and, and, and Elaine, you'll have to come back.
- [62:03]
Elaine Miles
Please come back. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Because I'm watching you guys on YouTube, so. Yeah. All right. Okay. I love you guys and I miss you. So good to see you.
- [62:14]
Rob Morrow
Thank you.
- [62:15]
Elaine Miles
See ya.
- [62:16]
Rob Morrow
Well, this has been fun, hasn't it, Ginny? I, I, what a, what a, what a joy. It's such a great thing and, and it's so nice to hang out with you again and, and reminisce. It's, it really kind of just makes my day.
- [62:31]
Jeanine Turner
It makes my week, actually. It's just such a highlight to watch the show and to work with you, Rob, and then to also have our fabulous co stars with us like Elaine Miles today, it's just really heartwarming and very special. But you who are listening out there and watching us, thank you for joining us. You make this all. You're the reason we're here. And so next week we're going to have a lot of fun. And so we're signing off. It's o' Connell and Fleischman.
- [63:01]
Rob Morrow
I think maybe it should be Fleischman oconnell.
- [63:03]
Elaine Miles
Yeah.
- [63:07]
Jeanine Turner
In your dreams, Fleishman.
- [63:17]
Elaine Miles
Northern Disclosure is a production with Evergreen Podcasts and executive produced by Paul Anderson and Scott McCarthy for Workhouse Media.