S2 E002 Fame, Family and Forgiveness with DJ Envy & Gia Casey

Summary

Podcast Summary: Not All Hood (NAH) with Malcolm-Jamal Warner & Candace Kelley
Episode: S2 E002 - Fame, Family and Forgiveness with DJ Envy & Gia Casey
Release Date: June 27, 2025

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Introduction to Guests and Their Journey

In the second episode of Season 2 titled "Fame, Family and Forgiveness," hosts Malcolm-Jamal Warner and Candace Kelley engage in an intimate conversation with the renowned DJ Envy and his wife, Gia Casey. The episode delves deep into the complexities of maintaining a strong family bond amidst the pressures of fame and public scrutiny.

Navigating Public Scrutiny and Relationship Evolution

DJ Envy and Gia Casey openly discuss the challenges they have faced as a high-profile couple. Their relationship, which spans over three decades, has been both lauded and scrutinized by the public eye. They emphasize the importance of evolving together to withstand external pressures.

• DJ Envy (03:03): "Protect your assets. Protect it, protect it, protect. Cause you never know who somebody is. Money changes people. Greed changes people."

• Gia Casey (04:13): "It's important to have a partner for the long haul, someone who has been through every stage with you."

Parenting with Open Communication

A significant portion of the discussion centers around their parenting philosophy. Gia and DJ Envy advocate for an open, no-topic-taboo approach with their children, fostering an environment of trust and honesty.

• Gia Casey (09:04): "Our faith developed from those situations. Our closeness developed from those situations. So it was kind of like a gift and a curse, you know? But the gift was worth the curse."

• DJ Envy (07:20): "We have a relationship where we're constantly communicating. So when I'm evolving, we're evolving together."

Discipline and Lessons from Upbringing

Both Gia and DJ Envy reflect on their own upbringings and how these experiences shape their parenting methods. Gia shares anecdotes about her disciplined yet supportive childhood, highlighting the balance between authority and understanding.

• Gia Casey (20:06): "How I am the type of mother that I am, why loyalty is so important to me... It was something that really weighed on me."

• DJ Envy (26:05): "At first, I didn't have to explain to a child why I'm making the decisions. But then I realized I was repeating my dad's methods, which I didn't like."

Handling Social Media and External Pressures

The conversation shifts to the impact of social media on personal and family life. DJ Envy expresses concerns about the negative aspects of platforms like TikTok, emphasizing the importance of not seeking validation online.

• DJ Envy (68:13): "The problem with social media is we reward people for bad behavior... It just brings down our culture."

• Gia Casey (65:32): "Most people live in a world where nothing terrible or criminal has happened to them, but when you've had criminal things happen to you, you understand that they can and do."

Insights on Marriage and Relationships

Gia and DJ Envy share their perspectives on marriage, drawing parallels to the iconic relationship portrayed in The Cosby Show. They stress the significance of maintaining affection, open dialogue, and mutual respect within a marriage.

• Rashawn Casey (59:07): "Cliff and Claire's relationship has always had a profound impact on how I saw the relationship I wanted to be in."

• Gia Casey (61:49): "Our house is always filled with laughter, jokes, and affection. That's what Madison is used to experiencing."

Balancing Cultural Influences at Home versus External Pressures

The couple discusses the balance between preserving their family's cultural values at home while navigating a diverse and sometimes challenging external environment. They highlight the importance of being culture keepers and gatekeepers, ensuring their children remain grounded and secure.

• Gia Casey (67:35): "They can talk to me about everything. But there's certain things that just don't leave our house."

• Rashawn Casey (34:47): "You establish a relationship where there's a comfortability, a soft place to land."

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The episode wraps up with Gia and DJ Envy sharing their hopes for their children’s futures, emphasizing the importance of independence, informed decision-making, and maintaining strong family ties. They advocate for leading by example and fostering environments where children feel supported and understood.

• Gia Casey (73:01): "I have to spend every opportunity molding, teaching, being an example, creating."

• DJ Envy (75:32): "What we were able to do early on is have that conversation with our kids, make sure that they don't feel validated online."

Notable Quotes

• Gia Casey (09:04): "Our faith developed from those situations. Our closeness developed from those situations."
• DJ Envy (03:03): "Protect your assets... Money changes people. Greed changes people."
• Gia Casey (20:06): "Why loyalty is so important to me and not just to receive it, but to give it."
• DJ Envy (68:13): "We reward people for bad behavior. It just brings down our culture."
• Rashawn Casey (59:07): "Cliff and Claire's relationship has always had a profound impact on how I saw the relationship I wanted to be in."

Key Takeaways

• Evolving Together: Maintaining a strong partnership requires continuous communication and mutual growth.
• Open Parenting: Transparent and honest communication with children builds trust and fosters a supportive environment.
• Balanced Discipline: Combining authority with understanding and support helps children learn and grow responsibly.
• Social Media Awareness: Educating children on the responsible use of social media is crucial in today’s digital age.
• Cultural Preservation: Keeping cultural values intact at home while navigating external influences ensures children remain grounded.

This episode of Not All Hood (NAH) offers a profound look into how fame intersects with family life, providing listeners with valuable insights into sustaining strong relationships and raising well-adjusted children amidst the challenges of public life.

Transcript

[Rashawn Casey]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Gia Casey]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Gia Casey]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

To Not All Hood. Well, they are far from your average couple. Dia and Rashawn Casey. You probably know him as DJ Envy from the Breakfast Club and beyond. Their relationship has taken on public scrutiny and public praise. When they were with us, they really leaned in to talk about what made them who they are and the honesty in their relationship. But it wasn't always that way.

[Gia Casey]

They grew.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Now they practice an open, no top topic is off limits approach with their kids as a family. They talk about everything. It might make you wince a little bit, but it's their kids, their life, their truth.

[Rashawn Casey]

So I wanna, I wanna start with our start, but I wanted to just go from the conversation we were just talking about just from a perspective of. We're talking about people getting caught out there.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Rashawn Casey]

And like being in the public eye. What would you like, how would you. What kind of advice would you give to young people, especially young brothers, in the public eye, in terms of, like, you're in the public eye, like you're automatically a target. And I know that oftentimes it can be hard to get, you know, young men who are, like, now they're finally living, they're living the dream and it's easy for them to really believe that it's all about them and not necessarily see themselves as a target.

[DJ Envy]

I would tell any individual, especially there's two different types of individuals, right? There's a celebrity and then there's the regular individual, right? I would tell any regular individual with any type of money or being famous or anything that they can lose, put your head on the swivel. Make sure that the person is there for you, right? And that's hard to understand. Any celebrity. You know, we hear about stories all the time about people signing NDAs and signing contracts, and we laugh about it and we joke about it, but it gets to a point where you have to. Unless that person is your high school sweetheart when you met, when she was 15 and I was 16, and, you know, you had nothing. You know, they're there for the actual love. You gotta protect yourself. I would tell my son all day long, protect your assets. Protect it, protect it, protect. Cause you never know who somebody is. Money changes people. Greed changes people. And people will do anything and set you up for a long time to get their payoff. At the end of the day, they.

[Rashawn Casey]

Got that long game.

[DJ Envy]

And that scares the hell out of me. And that's why, you know, I'm so glad that I met my wife so early. Like, we've had it all, we've lost it all. We've had a little bit, we've lost a little bit. Like, we've been through every stage of everything. She's there for the long haul, I'm there for the long haul, and we ain't got to worry about that.

[Rashawn Casey]

That's important.

[Gia Casey]

But, you know, it's another thing, though. It's what happens to young men, especially. Especially young black men, when they get a little bit of money, when they get a little bit of fame, when they get a little bit of success, because all of the women are coming at them, and it's like this new life. Like, y' all want me, right? I wanna sling it everywhere that I can. And that's what a lot of them do. There's no discernment. They aren't being particular about who they share a bed with, who they hang out with, because your friends will set you up, too. It's not just women. It's coming at you from all angles. And they just don't have the mindset, especially if they're becoming successful at 18, 19, 20. Athlet. Entertainers of all sorts, they're not mentally mature enough in a lot of cases to really understand how to deal with it. And they respond to the flattery yeah.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

You know, I like what Deion Sanders does. He trains his people, you know, on his football team about women who come, the tricks that they will play, what they'll do in the bedroom, what they'll save in the bedroom, you know what I mean, in order to get pregnant. All of those things, all those tricks, because they just don't know.

[DJ Envy]

That's right.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

And it seems extreme, but you do have to do that because people are coming.

[Gia Casey]

We've had those conversations with our 21 year old son.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah. You know, you have a lot of conversations.

[Gia Casey]

I mean, a lot of conversations.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Every conversation with your child.

[Gia Casey]

Yes.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

I think that's amazing. You know, you mentioned that, you know, people know that you've been together for over two decades.

[DJ Envy]

31 years. Oh, over three decades, 31 years, married, 24. Wow.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Let's take a moment, right? Let's take a moment. You know, but there's so many different versions. I know when I look back at my life, like I was not who I was when I was 20, 30 last year, you know what I mean?

[Rashawn Casey]

Definitely tested that.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

But you know, it's one of those things where your partner has to keep up with the different versions of yourself. Sometimes that can be very difficult. And it's a, it's a lot of work, the navigation and all of that. How did you go about that?

[DJ Envy]

I think for, for us, you know, every couple evolves, right? People evolve, but it's, it's how you evolve and what you evolve to. Right. And the reason I say that is our relationship is a little different than most people's relationship. We have a relationship where we're up under each other more than most people. When I get up in the morning and I'm driving to work, nine times out of 10 I'm talking to her. When I leave the radio station, I pick up the phone and I'm driving home or I'm driving to the office, I'm talking to her. We have a relationship where we're constantly communicating. So when I'm evolving, we're evolving together. It's like, and I know this is, everybody always says it, but like when you have your best friend with you all the time, like we go to the clubs with each other, we go to the kids, dance with each other, we go to the movie. Like there is no really separation and it works for us. Even when I go, I go out with the fellas last night, you know, we in Atlanta, I went out to the, I went out with the fellas, you know who's with me?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

My wife There you go.

[DJ Envy]

But my wife is. Is an individual that. She's talking to the fellas. You know, if. If we were the single fellas. She's like, oh, you should talk to her. She's pretty. Oh, you should do that. My wife goes to the gentleman's club with us. Like, we have that relationship. And I think when it comes to evolving as people, it's almost like you evolve together to whatever it is, whether it's more faith, whether it's more this, whether it's less that. We do it together.

[Rashawn Casey]

So. So that's always been like, did you guys evolve to that, get to that stage, or had that. Has that always been the way you guys have rocked?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

I sense some evolution. Like, everything.

[Gia Casey]

Yeah.

[Rashawn Casey]

Like, was there ever a point where. Where in 30, like, everybody doesn't always grow together, so was there ever time where, like, there was a growing apart kind of thing and you reigned it back in?

[Gia Casey]

I wouldn't. There was never a growing apartment, but there was a maturation that had to take place. And I would say more on his part than my part. And I guess it. I'm gonna draw a little bit from what I said before. You know, he went through a period where he was becoming more and more famous, and then he got to a pinnacle, and you have all of this attention, and then you have to adjust to what that does to the ego and what that does to a young man that maybe hasn't had those conversations with his father or maybe doesn't have an uncle to have that conversation with that has to navigate it himself. And we talk a lot about that in our first book, Real Life, Real Love. And, you know, he explains, like, how that was a little bit difficult and how that might have led him in different directions and how we had to navigate that as a couple.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

One of the things, and I've told you this before, I've told the group, our producers, that someone taught me something really important once, and that was, if you can't figure something out, like, why is this person acting like this? Or why is this happening? It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Normally, ego is at the center of it in some way, and it could be any situation. And I've tried it not just within situations, within marriage, but just stuff that just doesn't make sense. Normally, ego, someone doesn't want to meet somebody halfway or someone, you know, is. Is. Is thinking of themselves in a way that, you know, they think other people aren't regarding them, so their ego takes.

[Gia Casey]

Over a sense of self. Importance, yeah, in a lot of cases. And sometimes people come to that conclusion themselves, but at other times, the people that they're around may give that to them, but either way, they. That's the final destination. And, you know, a lot of people don't know how to deal with that. And when you talk about evolution, we had to go through that, but thank God we evolved out of that. And then we got to a different place where I feel as though we kind of cracked the code because there was so many things that life throws at you and just so many setbacks that are just kind of inherent with being young and being in love and being blessed enough where you're in a situation where there are a lot of opportunities of all sorts that are coming at you. And we had to go through that. So to come out of it on the other side with God, with face, with faith and benefiting and being able to look back and say, I'm so glad. And me not even in. Me being able to say, I'm so glad that all of those things happened. Even though it was to my detriment. I'm so glad that all those things happened. Because as a couple, as human beings, as parents, as partners, we learned so much for it, so much from it. And there was so much that we stood to gain and did gain. Our faith developed from those situations. Our closeness, the place that we're at now, developed from those situations. So it was kind of like a gift and a curse, you know? But the gift was worth the curse, right?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Because without it, you wouldn't have been where you are today. Absolutely not.

[Gia Casey]

Sometimes you really have to go through the mud to understand what life has in store for you.

[DJ Envy]

You.

[Gia Casey]

For it to all make sense. You have to go through some of that grit to say there's a reason. There was a lesson in that. Because without someone couldn't have told me that, I wouldn't have understood that.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right.

[Gia Casey]

Go through it so that I can have the experience to learn from. I can't really learn from your experience. I can only learn as much as I can learn by you telling me what you experience. But when I experience it, now I get it. Now I get it. And I thought I was happy before all of that. The level of happiness that we share now could never. That could have never touched it. It really. It could have. It's incomparable. It just. We understand each other now. There's like. There's a bond, you know, there's an understanding. And when you have God in your life and God is what you live for and God is your guide and God is your standard. And not just God, but the goodness that God represents when that's that, that, that holds you hostage in a sense. You know what I mean? And that's what we live for. So a lot of people ask me, are you ever worried about, you know, ever falling back into that place? I'm like, no, no, no. He's not amazing and wonderful and faithful and loving and, you know, all of the wonderful things for me, he's all of those things for God. So I don't have to worry about any betrayal where I'm. He has to worry about betraying God. And that I know that he wouldn't do, you know? So these are just lessons that I couldn't have come to because you told me.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right.

[Gia Casey]

You know what I mean?

[Rashawn Casey]

I think that's the thing about, like, grit. Right. And adversity.

[Gia Casey]

Yes.

[Rashawn Casey]

It's like whatever the adversity is, whatever those obstacles are, it's like you push through it. The treasure is on the other side.

[Gia Casey]

Absolutely.

[Rashawn Casey]

And you can't get to those treasures without having to go through whatever those obstacles are or the adversity.

[Gia Casey]

Yes, absolutely.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

And you're right. No one can tell you what marriage is like, for example, or through their experience before you get there. No one ever would have been able to tell me what it was like to be married. Right. You really can't. Would you able be able to tell someone, hey, you know, here's what life.

[Gia Casey]

Marriage is like, Right?

[Rashawn Casey]

No, because they're all.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

It's also different. It's also different.

[Rashawn Casey]

It's individual to that individual. The individuals in that unit.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, right.

[Rashawn Casey]

So the experiences, the experiences that we bring to the table as individuals are all going to be different. So all of our experiences are going to be like. There are some people who I know who have been married for, you know, 25 plus years and aren't happy.

[DJ Envy]

Right, right.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

That's true.

[Rashawn Casey]

But they're, you know, for whatever reason, beyond kids, they're still, you know, they're still stuck in this space that even though they're not happy, they want to be there.

[DJ Envy]

They're comfortable. They're comfortable.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Comrades, if you're enjoying this episode, join the conversation and make sure to, like, subscribe and comment below. Nah, nah, nah. You know what I find too, that people who see a couple like you who, they're going through something. Had I gone into law, I was going to be a divorce attorney.

[Gia Casey]

Oh.

[DJ Envy]

So made a lot of money.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

That's why I went into it. That's why I would have gone into it. I thought either that or, you know, I own a morgue or something, but something that's going to have a recurring, you know, I'm just saying it's going to happen.

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

So, you know, but people would start coming to me that on the surface I thought they were great, the best couple. And I remember going out once and I was like, okay, they invited me out.

[Gia Casey]

Okay.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

By myself. That's fine. I needed to catch up with him and seen him through I. Since high school. And then we got through like a, you know, 90 minute dinner. And they, they have been, oh, I can't say where they went to school. Yes, I can. They wouldn't mind. They went to your alma mater. They went to Hampton, the real hu. Okay, yeah, okay, okay. We'll have words later. Howard University in the house.

[DJ Envy]

But.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

And met at Hampton. At the end of the conversation, they said, well, we're getting a divorce. This one. That we were ready to go, but they just couldn't say it. And they finally said, you know, we're getting a divorce. And we just wanted some advice.

[Gia Casey]

I was just floored because it looked so good.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

And I would imagine that there are people who are in your lives that have seen you go through what you have gone through and have come to you in private and said all the time.

[DJ Envy]

But that's the reason that we wrote the books and we do our podcast.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

What I realized is being vulnerable helps people more than ever. Right? Meaning I'm gonna get the jokes right. I'm gonna. Whatever we talk about, whatever it is, I'm gonna get the jokes. But I don't concern myself with that. I concern myself with what you just said. If I tell you how many people hit us up in the DMs or stop us at the airport or stop us at Target or sees us in Atlanta says, thank you. Your book helped our relationship. Your book helped our marriage. Your book opened up conversations that we wouldn't be able to have. And that's what I think we're missing out. You know, we talk about it all the time and we talk about, you know, making money in the industry and looking like a player and this, that and the other. It's because that's the things that we see. But what about the person that says, I'm happy being married, I love going to my kids games. Matter of fact, I'm a dance dad. I know my daughter's routines. Where are those individuals at? We don't have that. And when we usually do have It. We have it by somebody that doesn't look like us. Right. We have it by, for instance, my dad, who's, you know, an older man, and it looks like he's telling us what to do. But now you have it from somebody that's still cool, still has. Has six kids, still drives nice cars, still goes to the clubs, still wears jewelry, still wears this. So it comes off a little different. If I would have had somebody to talk to earlier about marriage, about raising kids, I probably wouldn't fall some of them pitfalls that I needed to. But really what raised us is television and music, videos and music. So the reason I went to Hampton was because of a different world. That was the reason. Like there was no other reason. I didn't see college. I didn't see HBCUs. I'm from New York. But when I seen that on television and I seen the fun and them stepping and this, I'm like, I want to go there. Where is that? Where is Hillman? Hillman's based off of Hampton. Dad, let's go to see Hampton.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right, Right.

[DJ Envy]

You know, and. But that's what made me do it, and that's what's missing. If I would have had somebody on the radio talking about, you know what? I love going to my girls dance. I love my wife. I'm taking my wife with me, I think it would have been more. It would have opened up my mind a whole lot more.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right. That seed would have been planted.

[DJ Envy]

Absolutely.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Now, Gia, I know that your parents, they were very intentional about making sure you and yours were happy. It was very deliberate, from what I understand in terms of then making sure that you were going to have a happy, wonderful childhood and all that stuck with you.

[Gia Casey]

Absolutely. My parents and, you know, I don't think that they sat down and had a conversation about how they were going to parent us. I think it was just things that came to them naturally that really resonated with me. And I spend a lot of time as an. As an adult thinking about it. And unfortunately, they're not here anymore. But I'll take moments to try to figure out why it is that I do the things that I do, why I am the type of wife that I am, why I am the type of mother that I am. Why is loyalty so important to me and not to just receive it, but to give it? Why do I have all of these mindsets and I can track each and every morsel of my personality to my parents? And they were everything to me. And we were very close. I was very Close with my mother, and I was very close with my father. And I was raised in a house where it didn't matter if I was the world's worst or if I did something that was as wrong as two left feet. I could go to my parents and talk to them about it and not have to worry about being judged. What I knew was that I had two people that were going to be there for me. They were gonna get the lesson out of it. They were going to teach me the lesson. They're gonna make sure I didn't do it again, and then, most importantly, they were gonna help me fix it. I had two allies. I didn't have two judges.

[Rashawn Casey]

They have a discipline of you.

[Gia Casey]

Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

What'd that look like?

[DJ Envy]

She's from the days of getting beat.

[Gia Casey]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

Okay.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Translate that right. Yes. Oh, yes.

[Gia Casey]

Oh, yes. And in all transparency, I was fresh. When I was a kid, I thought that I knew everything. I was in the gifted and talented program, and I skipped a grade, and I turned down skipping another grade. So I thought that I knew everything. So raising a child whose brain is always on go, it can be a little challenging as a parent. So they had to deal with that, but they did it in a way that. That fed me. That fed me. Now there was times where I was too fresh, and, yes, I needed to get. And my mother didn't call it a beaten. She called it an asin.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yes. What was that ass in like? Was that like, Get a switch.

[Gia Casey]

We had two belts. There was a big red belt and the big black belt. And depending on the offense, my mother would choose which one was appropriate. And even as parents that don't discipline our children in that way, I can still look back and be like, I deserved every. Like, I deserved it. I deserved it. You know, we're more thoughtful about how we parent. And now in our society, there's just so much more consciousness when it comes to parenting, and people spend more. They take more effort thinking about alternatives. You know, there's gentle parenting, and there's all of these other things.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Safe space.

[Gia Casey]

Yes. And, you know, my mom is from the Caribbean. My mom is from Jamaica, and that's what she grew up with. So that's how she knew how to discipline. But I never held her accountable. I never thought, like, you know, like, this is the worst. Like, that was just it. All the kids on my block, they were disciplined the same way. It was no different, you know, but even with that, my mom was someone that I could talk to. I could come back and Tell her all of my business. Do you know what I mean?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah.

[Gia Casey]

And I'm gonna tell you a true story. When I started dating Rashaun, and I was 15 and I was about to go off to college, so I was 17 when I went to college. And she said, you guys have been together for, you know, almost two years. I'm not going to ask you, but you may be doing things that you don't want to discuss with me. I just want to let you know that if you ever get pregnant, you can come to me and tell me, because I don't want you to go and try to figure it out yourself. I don't want you to. And because she's from the day where, and she told me this story that, you know, if a girl got pregnant, you would go and get an abortion in someone's basement and would use a hanger. She's like, I don't want you in anybody's basement with a hanger or anything. Just know you can always talk to me. And I said, okay. I said, and what would happen if that were the case? And she said, listen, if you were to remain in college and I had to take care of your child, that's what would happen. She said, but you're smart enough to not be in that situation. I just want to let you know that if. And just little conversations like that, it's like, I rock with my mom. Like, my mom, no matter what, she's going to protect me. She's going to make sure that the best is always going to be in store for me, even if I mess up. And what that didn't do was give me an allowance or an out to behave badly or to be irresponsible. It just gave me the security. It actually affected me in an opposite way where I was more responsible because I honored that trust, that respect, that love that my mom gave me. You know what I mean? I didn't want to lose it.

[DJ Envy]

That's right.

[Rashawn Casey]

And she dropped. And I just love the little things she dropped me. Like, you know, I know you're smart enough not to do that.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, yeah, right, right, right.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yes.

[Rashawn Casey]

All of those things matter.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

But.

[Gia Casey]

Yeah, but.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

But those seeds. Okay, so. But with police officer dad and, you know, I don't have a lot of friends. Do I have any friends whose parents are officers? I don't. I'm wondering what that. That looked like as a young black man to have a police officer dad and what that. What that love looked like within your household.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. So a lot different than. Yeah, a Lot. A lot different. So my dad is ex military, and he was police officer for the nypd. So for him was. I don't want to say less love, but it was more survival. You got to think he's on the street, and at the time, in the 70s and 80s and 90s and 2000s, he's seeing kids hooked on crack and hooked on drugs. He's seeing the drug game popping and kids dying and kids getting shot and police officers beating kids up and shooting kids. So his whole thing was survival. His whole thing was there was no conversation. It was like, dad, can I go? No. Why? Because I said so. Good night. And that was it. There was no conversation as a kid. I didn't understand it as a kid. I'm mad, but so and so can go. Why can't I go? Why can't I go to the mall? Why can't I take a train to Manhattan and hang with my friends? And he was just like, no. When I was a kid, I hated it. When you become a father, you understand. You're just trying to protect your kid. Now. I wish my dad would have been like, no, well, the reason I don't want you to go is because this, that, and the other. But he wasn't raised like that. He looked at it like, I just want to keep my son alive. So, like, you look at Gia's history, you know, Gia's been through battles. Like, you know, Gia's almost been kidnapped, right? He tried to kidnap her. She's been cut in the face over here 40 times. She's been through so much that my parents were like, we're gonna make sure that that doesn't happen to you. And we try to do it with our kids, too. It's almost like we over parent them to protect them. And that's what I did for my kids. I'm the discipline guy. I'm the person that, no, you can't go to the mall. No, you can't do this. No, you can't go to that party.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

But with explanation this time.

[DJ Envy]

No, I started off without an explanation, okay? Gia and I talked as parents and was like, I don't like that. And she. And we argued. We got into disagreements. We butted heads a million and one times. I looked at it at first as I don't have to explain to a child why I'm making the decision I'm making. He don't pay the bills. She don't pay the bills. She doesn't pay that mortgage. She doesn't pay the car note. She doesn't pay for the schooling. I pay for it until they pay for it. No. But then I realized I was my dad and I didn't like that. And I love my dad. My dad's still alive, you know, my dad is. He's still the same to this day. Every day he calls me at 6 o' clock in the morning to make sure I get to work. Military every day he makes sure I'm good. And I love him for that. But what we started to do as parents is like, no, explain to the kids why. Explain why you don't want them to go to that party. Well, I don't want you to go to that party because it's gonna be kids drinking. And if they're drinking and driving, you could be, you can get into an accident, they could run into you. It could be a stupid mistake. It could be this, that and the other. And what I realized is, once you start explaining to the kids why you develop a trust that they don't ask anymore. They just like, nah, mom said, I ain't going. I ain't going. Y' all have fun. My mother knows what's best for me. And it's a different level of trust. It's a different level of conversation. We've had conversations with our kids. When they start, when they ask us things, I'm like, I can't believe that you really asking us this.

[Gia Casey]

I can't believe you just told us that.

[DJ Envy]

But they feel comfortable enough to tell us one story. I don't even know if it's in our last book. I wasn't there for that conversation. This is the one. I said, babe, you handle this conversation.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Here we go.

[DJ Envy]

I'm going to watch the Knicks. So our kids go to a play date, right? Both our kids, Madison and Logan, who is 23 and 21. And I guess when they were in the basement, they found a bloody condom.

[Rashawn Casey]

A what?

[DJ Envy]

Yes, you heard me. Yes. That's what they found in somebody's basement. So now when they come home, they feel comfortable enough like, hey, Mom, I found a bloody condom. There was a bloody condom in Pete's house.

[Gia Casey]

Well, their friends had to tell them that it was a condom. So they were all together. And the kids all together discovered this. So they, the other kids had to tell our kids that it was a condom. And when they came home, they felt comfortable enough to ask. They're like, basically like, what's the meaning of this?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right?

[Gia Casey]

And I realized that I had to have the sex talk with them then because the rest of the kids had Conjured up all types of explanations with incorrect information and pure nonsense. So I'm like, I have to educate them or else their friends are going to miseducate them. So I'll let you continue.

[DJ Envy]

So Gia sat them on the bed. I remember them coming into bed and we're laying in the bed and I start hearing the sex conversation. Well, let me explain to you why somebody would wear a condom and what sex is. And when you love somebody.

[Gia Casey]

I'm like, you're 11 and maybe nine at this time.

[DJ Envy]

I'm not ready for that conversation at this time. So I said, babe, go ahead. Dad's going downstairs to clean up the dishes.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right, right.

[DJ Envy]

So mom went down there and they sat there for hours and had a conversation on the bed. They got popcorn, I got them juice and sodas, and they had a conversation about it. Now, I was uncomfortable. Cause I was just uncomfortable having a sex talk with my daughter. But it was just an uncomfortable conversation. But the fact that our kids were able enough to be comfortable enough to have that conversation was like anything else, because I would.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

I still.

[DJ Envy]

I'm still waiting for the conversation about the birds and the bees with my dad. Now, my mom and dad has never taught me about the birds and the bees.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

And just. It was. It belonged to someone's older brother. Right. From what I understand.

[Gia Casey]

So it was the older brother.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah.

[Gia Casey]

Yes. He had a girlfriend over and I guess it was that time of the month.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah.

[Gia Casey]

And they didn't discard.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Just to make sure we understand what happened. Why that.

[Rashawn Casey]

Do you remember any of the stories that the other kids had conjured up? Like, that's what. I'm intrigued.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, Lord.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Oh, Lord.

[Rashawn Casey]

What did they come up with?

[Gia Casey]

It was like, if you really want to know, one of the kids said, okay, I'm going to tell you exactly what Logan said. Logan, who's my 21 year old boy, said, yeah, so. And so I'm not going to mention a child's name. Said that it's because they had sex in the butt. And it was, you know, it's not supposed to happen. So it's just like blood everywhere.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Gia Casey]

So.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right.

[Gia Casey]

Yes.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

That's why we were at the Knicks, sir.

[Gia Casey]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yes.

[DJ Envy]

But that was the reason why I said, I'm gonna go watch the Knicks and change. They'll watch the.

[Gia Casey]

But because of that, I had to have an anal sex conversation with them.

[DJ Envy]

I literally had 11 and 9.

[Gia Casey]

At 11 and 9. See, I couldn't take it because they're getting all of this information from the outside and When I was a kid, I got all that information from outside as well. So I knew that if I let them continue thinking what they were told, then it would just spiral out of control and they would just be thoroughly misinformed. So I'm like, I have to have that conversation. But we did make it fun. And I brought it back to explaining to them what sex, love, and intimacy are actually about. You know, God made us, and he made sex pleasureful. He wants us to enjoy it because he wants us to procreate. He wants the products of that love to come to fruition. So when you have sex, ultimately, it's supposed to be with someone that you love. It's not for everyone. So it's like, oh, so what does that look like, Mom? And, like, how does it work? So then, you know, I had to explain. And we made fun. We made fun of it. We joked. And my son was like, so what's that? It's like.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

She was really detailed.

[Gia Casey]

Yeah, it had to be. It had to be.

[DJ Envy]

They're comfortable enough to talk to mom about it.

[Gia Casey]

They left. They were not traumatized. They understood.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

No secrets. Kind of like. You know what I mean? I think that trust. When you talk like that, we still.

[DJ Envy]

Laugh about it to this day.

[Gia Casey]

Oh, yeah. I called Logan the other day. I was like, you remember? And he's. You know, and it's good because when you talk to your kids, just like Rashawn was alluding to earlier, it's like, you establish a relationship where there's a comfortability, there's a soft place to land. You know, there's. I can go to these people who are responsible for me, who are supposed to lead me and guide me with everything. I talk to my dad about everything.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

That was gonna be my next question.

[Gia Casey]

My father, I talked to him about. He was like my roadie. I talked to him about everything. Even when. Cause my father never put his hands on me. It was always my mother. My father never disciplined mom with belts.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yes.

[Gia Casey]

My father never disciplined. So at a young age, he was like the cooler one, you know, because. So he would help me get out of situations, even with my mom. So it was just like this. This camaraderie in my house, and it was just a sense of openness. And that's what is essential for any successful household, in my opinion. There has to be an openness, because when you have that your kids trust you and they know that you're invested in them and that you want them to live their best life, you want them to be happy, you don't want to limit them. Then it's like, oh, they accept the guidance that you give them because it's not like, oh, mommy said no. She don't even know why she said no, but she said no. It's always no, no, no. There's always no. You can't, you can't have, you can't go, no, no, no. So like, whatever, later for her. I'm a sneak. My kids, I would never, and this is a honest to God, I would never even have to consider that my children would ever sneak out of the house. It wouldn't even ever cross their minds. If we called my 23 year old daughter right now, she would say, I wouldn't even have considered it. It wouldn't even be a possibility because it's just the way that they're raised. Do you know what I mean?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah. And you built that. And that open communication is wonderful. And I see how you have that within your family unit with your kids. I'm wondering about extended family. Is it open like that too, where you can say anything to your, you know, your brothers, your sisters, your mom, your dad, your aunt and uncles when there's an issue?

[DJ Envy]

No. So our family is tight. Like we're the eight gang. We're super duper tight now. Madison has a boyfriend who's part of that eight gang, who's tight with us. But my parents, I still look at my parents as my parents. Like, I still super duper respectful. Some things I won't say to them because I was raised that way. They can talk to me about everything. But there's certain things. It just doesn't leave our house. Just is what it is.

[Rashawn Casey]

I think there's something about going back to what you were saying about when you're open with your kids and when you're even, you're talking to your kids and you're sharing your own experiences, you know, growing up or being their age, they're. It humanizes the rules that you set. So there's an understanding. Oh, well, you know, based on, you know, I know papa did this based on his experience.

[Gia Casey]

Oh, yeah.

[Rashawn Casey]

I know why they're saying that. Which helps foster that. That trust. So my daughter's 7 and it's like I can't go an episode without talking.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

About, that's all right.

[DJ Envy]

My daughter and my wife.

[Rashawn Casey]

Every episode I brag on my daughter. That's how we should do every episode.

[Gia Casey]

You should.

[Rashawn Casey]

But I'm starting to get self conscious now. Cause I'm so. Would you shut me down?

[DJ Envy]

No, but you Should.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

That's your kind of reference.

[DJ Envy]

So, you know.

[Rashawn Casey]

So our daughter is about to be eight. And, you know, I know that no matter what. What we do with our kids, no matter how great they turn out, they're gonna be fucked up. Somewhere.

[DJ Envy]

There's. There's.

[Rashawn Casey]

Somewhere along the line, there's something we.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Say once they get into the world.

[Rashawn Casey]

Didn'T have the effect that we wanted it to have. With your older kids, have you, like, have you seen. Is there anything about them that made you say, ah, I. You know, in that particular area, maybe something I said, they, you know, it landed the wrong way.

[DJ Envy]

I know one. Do you know you have one?

[Gia Casey]

We're probably thinking the same thing. The only thing that I could think of that went a little left with Logan.

[DJ Envy]

No, I was talking about with both of them, I would say, but definitely with Madison. So with Madison, I would say the hard part about Madison. And this is some things that I always feel like our community needs to talk about a lot of times, not necessarily in Atlanta, but in New York, New Jersey, in these areas. And that's why I love Atlanta, because it's such a black place. But it's like when you leave the hood, when you leave Queens, you get a little bit of money and you say, you know what? I want to live somewhere else with a little bit land. Right. Most of the time, your neighbors don't look like you, Right? So now you're putting your child in a school where there are no other black kids, there are no other minorities.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

And that can be traumatic.

[DJ Envy]

And that was, I think, traumatic for Madison. So for Madison, she's a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful girl, but I don't feel like she got the respect and what she should have got if she would have went to a black school. She really didn't have friends. She didn't have any boyfriends. There was no date. So mom and dad was her friends. So when she wanted to go to the movies, it wasn't like, I'm gonna go with my friends. It's mom and dad. I'm going with mom and dad now. That made me comfortable as a father. Because she didn't have a boyfriend. I don't think she kissed her first guy until, what, 20?

[Gia Casey]

19.

[DJ Envy]

19.

[Gia Casey]

She had her first kiss at 19.

[DJ Envy]

First kiss at 19. So I was like, yes.

[Gia Casey]

And she's with. She's with. She has her first boyfriend. Her first boyfriend that she's still with now. So she's only had one boyfriend, and she's 23.

[DJ Envy]

So the reason you asked the question is Our thing has always been is fuck em. Hey, if somebody doesn't treat you the right way or you don't like what somebody's doing, f them. And what that really did was it made my daughter at those ages become a goody two shoe. And what that means is, like, she was the. What was it? The security guard in school. What was it?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Oh, the crossing guard.

[DJ Envy]

She was the hall monitor. She was the whole monitor. Right? She was that person. You're late, I'm writing you down. She was that person. She was the person that didn't have any friends. Oh, oh, you smoke. I can't talk to you. Oh, you drink. I can't talk to you. Oh, you. Oh, you do this. You curse. I can't talk to you. So she was alienating everybody away from her. And she didn't get it until later on when she's in high school and was like, I really have no friends to. Even now to this point where she doesn't have that many friends. Like, if you tell my daughter, hey, you want to go out this week? I only go out when I go with my mom and dad. I'm good. Like, that's how she is at 23, you know, so that was one thing that I wish that I could have made it more inclusive to let people.

[Gia Casey]

I want to say something about that. So with Madison, she looks up to us in a very, very special way. She looks up to me as a mother for certain reasons. She looks up to her best friend, her father, for their own set of reasons. And I feel as though when you're striving to be like your parents, you have. Well, I'll say she set standards for herself. You know, like, Mommy is this way. Like, Mommy doesn't really drink much. Mommy doesn't smoke. Mommy doesn't do this. Mommy doesn't do that. That's what I'm striving for. Daddy is successful in these rights, and I want to be an entrepreneur. I want to do so. She had her own idea of who she wanted to be based on who she viewed us as. And I think that that in some ways was to her detriment because I. I'm the type of person that I'm very polished, I'm very put together, but I also like to have fun. I also like to enjoy myself. I'm also very down to earth. I'm also very humble. Like, there are just certain things. And she would look at someone her age when she was in high school that drank or smoke and was like, I don't want to be friends with them. She would look at a girl that may be promiscuous at 16 or 17 and be like, I don't want to be friends with them because my mother lost her virginity to my father and my father's the only person she's ever been with. So that's like what I have in my line of sight for myself. So I think that she found herself judging people and putting off friendships. And when we had a conversation about it, I said, you have every right to be who you want to be, but while you're doing that, you can't judge other people. Other people have the rights to make their own mistakes if mistakes are what they're making. But you have to let them deal with that. You can't put them in a box, you can't deem them as non worthy. I said, your promiscuous friend, your friend that smokes weed, whatever, you have been raised to know that that is not for you. So you can befriend them, you can hang out with them, but you can know at the same time that you're not going to engage in what they engage in. Because everyone has their flaws. And if you judge people, then you will be lonely. Because everybody has something, right?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Everybody's got a flaw.

[Rashawn Casey]

That's funny, my mother told me the exact opposite. Just when it came to like, okay, you hang out with him, he smokes weed, he's got weed on you, the cops pull up on you for some bullshit and he's got weed on him, you go to jail too, right?

[Gia Casey]

Well, in certain situations I'm talking about just not judging, throwing them away. Holy. Because don't put yourself in a situation where you can get in trouble.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right?

[Gia Casey]

Obviously. But take those friends, learn from them, learn from their experiences. You'll have vicarious experiences through them, like, oh, she slept with so and so and she got crabs. Like that was something like I had friends when I was young where I was a virgin and this is, these are things that they were experiencing from. I wouldn't say, okay, I don't want to be a friend, but like, okay, so what happened? I would learn from those situations. I, I was self assured enough to know that I wasn't going to fall into those traps. I could separate the two. I could separate my actions from the actions of the people around me. So I like the idea of being strong enough to know who you are. And that's where that self assuredness, that's where that confidence comes. That's where that empowered child that we talk about in our book comes from. I don't have to care about what is. Anybody else around me is doing because I know who the hell I am. And that's what my parents raised me with. My parents, my father and I. And I say this often because it's something that really weighed on me. Even though I was probably nine when my dad told me, he would say to me, like, about lying, like, you don't have to lie. You never have to lie. Because there's nobody in this world that you have to impress enough that you have to lie to. If your truth isn't good enough for them, bleep them.

[DJ Envy]

I like the other thing that he says about the lie.

[Gia Casey]

What's that about?

[DJ Envy]

If I. If. If I tell the truth, I don't have to. Something he says, but if I tell the truth, I never have to worry about a lie.

[Gia Casey]

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, you never.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah.

[Gia Casey]

Like he would say, liars have to have a good memory. If you're a liar, you have to have a good memory because you got to keep up with all of your lies.

[DJ Envy]

Right.

[Gia Casey]

You got to remember. You remember who you're talking to, who you told the lie to, who they might have told the lie to. That person approaches you, you got to remember the lie. Got to be. He's like, nobody is worth it. So there were just things, little things that my parents. Little nuggets that. Because of that, I don't lie.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah.

[Gia Casey]

And there are times where it's much easier to tell a lie. I gotta stop. Like, I might be inclined to in a moment. Like it's be so much easier, but then it's like, I can't because that's not my fabric. Do you know what I mean?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah. When I think about the girls back in high school who wore fast or who wore getting crabs or who wore, you know, drunk.

[DJ Envy]

I'll let you know. Crabs shows your age. I don't know.

[Gia Casey]

That's what it was. They weren't getting gonorrhea in chlamydia. They were getting crabs.

[DJ Envy]

Crab is just crazy.

[Gia Casey]

Yes, Crabs is crazy.

[Rashawn Casey]

Crabs sounds so nice now.

[Gia Casey]

Go ahead. What was my point?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Looking back in retrospect now, I know it really wasn't about them specifically anyway. Who were their parents?

[Gia Casey]

Absolutely.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

That's what it was all about. They didn't have my parents. So, you know, my judgment on them, you know, changed. Especially when I see them at the reunion. And things would get even worse. I'm like, oh, wow. They definitely didn't have opportunity or the seeds planted or positive thinking. But at the time, it is easy to kind of judge because you're like, I'm doing this. Why can't you do it? So I see your daughter's point. But we all have something, but we don't all have the same.

[Gia Casey]

Same parents. I don't want judgmental children.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Gia Casey]

I. I don't. I don't believe in judging anyone unless you do something harmful or hurtful to another person. People learn from their experiences, and sometimes you don't know why a person.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Gia Casey]

Is who they are or they behave the way that they do. And a lot of times it comes from me maybe being raised in the household where you didn't get that love.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

That's right. Somebody was molested. And that, you know, translated into what I was seeing them doing high school.

[Gia Casey]

Maybe your parents didn't talk to you. Maybe they didn't teach you lessons and it was funny. In the car ride on our way here, you know, we were talking. It's like a lot of times as a parent, a lot of parents think, you know what parenting is. I provide for you. You have a roof over your head. I feed you, I buy you clothes, I send you to school. I talk to you occasionally. We sit down, we have dinner together. Okay. How was your day? It was great. Okay. Wonderful. Everything else, like your friends, social media, you go to your room, you're in your room for hours. I'm thinking, oh, I have a break. Do you know what I mean? A lot of parents, they don't put that extra work into it. They don't think about creating a family, cultivating your children, crafting them, molding them, deciding who you want them to be, having that deliberate nature where you say, this is the type of human being that I want them to become. So I am going to spend every opportunity molding, teaching, being an example, creating. Because I have the authority and the ability as a mother and a father to do that. A lot of people don't take the time to think that.

[Rashawn Casey]

I think what you're saying is, speaks to the difference between a mother and father and a mom and dad. Right. Like, anybody can be a mother and father.

[Gia Casey]

Right.

[Rashawn Casey]

But being a mom and dad, it's investing that time.

[Gia Casey]

Yes.

[Rashawn Casey]

It's cultivating those relationships. It's forming these young minds and helping to guide and raise them to be good people. Hey, comrades. If you are enjoying the episode, join the conversation. Like, subscribe. Leave a comment below. Don't get yourself blocked. Keep it clean.

[DJ Envy]

Only rides overrides for two people. One, if my phone is on silent, she's the only one that can call me.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

So if I'm ever doing a show, a party, and my manager can't get me up or security can't get me up, they call her and be like, can you wake your husband up for me?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

I see.

[DJ Envy]

And the other one is that ring app, so the security app, if there's anybody on any one of our pieces that land front, back, left, right, whatever, just overrides it. Overrides it. So let me know just in case, especially with all these home. These home break ins.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I spent a lot of time on that ring. It's like, what's. Why do I mind seeing that? Okay. They're just taking out the garbage.

[Gia Casey]

We good?

[DJ Envy]

Or it'll be a deer. And that deer wake up in the middle of the night. Oh, my goodness.

[Rashawn Casey]

Yeah, I keep my phone and do not disturb.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yes. Oh, I learned. I was like, but I'm just calling him and I don't understand why he's not. He's like, oh, no, I don't do that.

[Gia Casey]

I was like, oh, okay.

[Rashawn Casey]

Learned how long you've been married?

[DJ Envy]

Oh, boy.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

No, no. So four years come September. And the reason I hesitated is because for some strange reason, I thought about my first marriage, which there's no reason to, but that's another story. There's no reason at all. But, yeah, four years come September.

[Rashawn Casey]

How old were you when you first got married?

[Gia Casey]

Your first.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Oh, wow. I first got married in 2000, so I didn't. I didn't quite give you an age, but you could do a little. He was trying to slick. How old were you first got married? I don't like where that was going. No, I'm being funny. That was 2000.

[Rashawn Casey]

Okay, so here's the reason. Actually, I want to pose the question to you first.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah.

[Rashawn Casey]

So when I think about Madison, right. 23, first boyfriend. So, like, I met my wife, I was 45, and I had spent. I spent more of my adult years in long term relationships than not.

[Gia Casey]

Okay.

[Rashawn Casey]

But when I met my wife at 45, I was like, I got it. Everybody said when they say when, you know, you know, and that always sounded. And being in these long term relationships, that always sounded like a really cool concept. But when I met my wife, I was. I had. There was. You know, after a couple months, I was like, oh, that's what there was. When, you know, you don't.

[DJ Envy]

I get it.

[Rashawn Casey]

But when I think about, had I gotten married any earlier, I know I definitely would not have Been as effective a husband and father as I am now. So I want to, I'll pose the question to you first. How, like what, what recommend if someone came to you that someone you knew? Yeah, one person you knew who was let's say 23 in their first. I'm trying to take it off of Madison.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right, right, right.

[Rashawn Casey]

But just in general, like, but you.

[Gia Casey]

Can, you can leave it on her. There's no problem.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

That's nice of your kids to be, you know, have you be that open. But we'll cross that.

[Gia Casey]

Go ahead.

[Rashawn Casey]

So what, what would your thoughts be on someone getting married? Like you know, for 23 year old Kim. Oh my God, Auntie Candace, I am so in love.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

And yeah, yeah, first of all, I was not 23, I was older. We can do the math on that. But I will say this and I'll tell it in the story. A friend of mine whose daughter was, it was her sweet 16. And I said, what does she want? What does she want? And this has been with more than one parent. And they'll say she wants a boyfriend or if it's a boy, she wants a girlfriend. I'm like, oh wow. Like really with. And she said, and I hope they get one. I said, really? Why is that? She said because I don't want her going to college and that first guy that comes to her, she's like. And then he, every, anything he does is going to be in a hero like fashion because he's the first. And it will be outside of her house. Right. She'll be in another state and you know, with a roommate and kind of deciding more on her own. She said, so I hope that they have experience. So I would say, I would look at that 23 year old and I would say it's a case by case basis. What is their experience in the world of dating? What family do they come from? And, and, and, and look at it in that way because experience makes all the difference. Otherwise you are going to fall for that first guy who says I love you and then that is it. Because those are some powerful words, especially when they are outside of your mom and dad and relatives who are supposed to love you. Naturally it is a big difference.

[Gia Casey]

So it depends on the person. Sure.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah.

[Rashawn Casey]

And if the dick is good, it's a rap.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

You know what?

[Gia Casey]

It's a drug.

[DJ Envy]

Drug.

[Gia Casey]

The first time.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

No. Yeah. And they said they love you sober. And I will say this too.

[Gia Casey]

I make a fool out of a girl.

[DJ Envy]

Oh, oh.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

When they say it's okay, I'm sorry. Now you see, now you reminisce of. Now it's bring herself back. Okay? So I, I, I say all of that to say it's a case by case basis. And I will say that teaching college kids, I know what 22 looks like and they are still forming their thoughts and the brain is still growing. So I mean, I wouldn't recommend it at first, just at the age itself, but then I would have to look at the person.

[Gia Casey]

I couldn't agree with you more. That is ultimately my answer. I share the same thought. It really depends on the individual. With our daughter Madison, and I'll give you a case scenario so you can understand what I'm talking about. With our daughter Madison, like I said, she always looked up to us. So the reason why it took her so long to have a boyfriend is because she would look at how we interacted. And our house is a very fun place to be all the time. It's always laughter, it's always jokes, it's always roasting, it's always play fighting, it's always hugs and kisses and I love yous and maybe even too much sometimes. Like it's so many I love yous. If my kid walks into the room, it's I love you. When they walk out, it's I love you, it's kisses, kisses, kisses, kisses. So it's a very happy place. And that's what Madison is used to experiencing. And she would always say to me, if it's not what you and dad have, I don't want it. So she would size a boy up that might ask her out or be interested and know he's not capable of that. Like he's not that fun or he's not that open, you know, he's not that non judgmental. Because she got to a point where she understood and she was able to separate the two, you know, so she would take all of these things and formulate what it is that she wants in a partner. So she finally met that person. She went to nyu, she graduated from nyu. He also went to her school. They met, they started hanging out, we took him out to dinner. We adore him. They have our full blessing. They know that they're going to spend the rest of their lives together. They've already come to that conclusion.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

They're the same age.

[Gia Casey]

Yes, yes. So much so that for her, for her college graduation, we bought her a house and we're renovating the house for her to move into. So when she was in college, she had an apartment. And just like us, when I Was in college. I was always at Hampton. I was always at his apartment, or he was always at my apartment. Our parents got together and said, why are we paying for two apartments when our kids are always together? Like, this literally makes no sense. Our parents said they should move in together.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Really?

[Gia Casey]

Yes, absolutely. So with him, I'm like, you know, he's always at your apartment. He supports himself. He supports himself. So I'm like, you know, he shares an apartment with three or four other guys. He's always at your apartment. I don't mind if you guys move in together. So when they moved in together and then we bought her the house and was under renovation when she graduated, she came back home to live with us. And I said, you know what? I don't mind if he comes and he lives until you guys move into your. Into your house. So he's around us constantly. We go on vacation. We take them both on vacation with us. When we go on a date, we bring the both. Okay? It's always. We always double date with them.

[Rashawn Casey]

I saw an episode we were talking about. It was his birthday and she wanted to take him out for his birthday. He was like, can your parents come?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Oh, yeah.

[DJ Envy]

That was actually.

[Gia Casey]

Absolutely. It was his birthday. And he was. He was like, can you invite your parents? And she's like, right, what's that? What?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Why?

[Gia Casey]

And she's like, I mean, I love him too, but it's like, your birthday. That's what you want. And he's like, yeah. And we went. And, you know, we always, always, always double date.

[DJ Envy]

I really. I really like him. So he has. He has a great job out of nyu. Great job. I like him because he reminds me a lot. Like me. He's a protector. He is there. He has a great job. He's not in the industry. He doesn't like to hang out. He likes. The only thing he wants to do is play basketball and hang out with Madison. So they are just like that. I take him to the games. We go to the games with each other. He's from Ohio, so he's a Cleveland fan. I'm a Knicks fan. We go to the games each other. I take him to football games. My daughter's feeling sick. My daughter's watching the Little Chew Crew while we're out, and my daughter's sick. He went and picked up the girls and the boys, Picked them up from school, took them to soccer. Like, he is like that.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

And they're how old again? Both of them are 23. 23.

[DJ Envy]

23. He is like that when he buys a car, he wants to buy something, first thing he does. Mr. Casey, can you come with me to this dealership to come check this out? Mr. Casey, can you just like he's like one of my other sons.

[Gia Casey]

He could be one of our children that like his personality, his fits right on his level of intelligence, his integrity. And that's why I couldn't agree with you more. It's a case by case situation because you don't meet too many 23 year old good looking boys that have like high integrity and it doesn't feel awkward.

[DJ Envy]

It's not like. Yeah, because when, when I was, when we moved into Ghia's house, when we first started off, I felt my mother's house, I felt awkward and uncomfortable. Felt like a man in another person's house. Just. Yes. Going to the bathroom, I would hold to go to the bathrooms. Everybody was sleeping and run upstairs and go to bed. Like it just felt uncomfortable with him. I don't have that feeling. Like we play basketball with each other.

[Gia Casey]

We ride like we play monopoly with.

[DJ Envy]

Each other, we cook with each other. Like he's always there. So I really like him and I like their relationship.

[Gia Casey]

Yeah, that's great.

[Rashawn Casey]

They've got great models.

[Gia Casey]

And that's the thing. And with, and that's the reason why I brought up the fact that he lives with us temporarily because I can see that him seeing us as an example, when we look at them, we were at a wedding about maybe four weeks ago and we're sitting across and they were at the wedding and we're looking at them, I'm like, look at how they're like laughing and joking and like kind of, you know, digging at each other and playing and affectionate, hugging, kissing like the affection. So I'm like, like that's us. And he's like, damn straight that is. I'm like, so when you see it play out the way that, that you've always wanted it to play out, that you raised them to choose the right person and to interact a certain way, when you see it actually play out, it's such a beautiful thing. So if he proposes to her anytime soon and they want to get married, 23, I think is an appropriate age for her in her situation with that particular person.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right.

[Gia Casey]

Do you see what I mean?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

I do.

[Gia Casey]

But now in most cases, I wouldn't say that 23 years old is old enough of an age for a person to rack up enough experience to be able to make a decision to decide that they want to be with One person for the rest of their life. I don't think that most 23 year olds even considered what that looks like or what that means.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

And do you have interaction with his parents at a level that you'd like?

[DJ Envy]

Yeah. No. They come to the house in the summer because we do.

[Gia Casey]

I come from Ohio. They. They come. Well, his mom is from Ohio. She comes, she brings her dad. He's also one of six, brings the kids and we go bowling. We do things with them. His dad comes and will spend a couple days with his mother and his brother. And we hang up by the pool and we swim. So, yes, we have a wonderful relationship with them.

[Rashawn Casey]

That's great. You know, I always. People my entire life, people talking about how much, you know, Cosby show has affected their lives. I mean, you went to Hampton.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Rashawn Casey]

So the thing that I find really surreal is even though, you know, being a part of that show, Cliff and Claire's relationship has always had a profound impact on how I saw, you know, the relationship I wanted to be in, the marriage I wanted to be in. So much so that I have. On my third album, I have a song with leticy called Brand New Day. And at the end of the song, at the end of the last verse, I actually say I'm holding out for that iconic love like Cliff and Claire. And I met my wife the month after I put that record out. But it was like that was the. And my parents been separated since I was three. They've been divorced since I was six. My dad's been remarried for 47 years. I've grown up with my mother and father as best friends. Like, to this day, they're like brother and sister.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Is that strange?

[Rashawn Casey]

It's what I know.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

It's just what you know.

[DJ Envy]

So you.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

So it's not. It doesn't. Okay.

[Rashawn Casey]

No. If anything, it's.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

It's.

[DJ Envy]

That's.

[Rashawn Casey]

That's also had a profound impact on how I've viewed my relationship because I've always been like, well, there can still be a relationship. Post relationship.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

Right.

[Rashawn Casey]

There's still no. There's no reason to break up and make the messy.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Sure.

[Rashawn Casey]

You know, so that's always. I've always just. Just looked at relationships like that and my interactions with women. And as significant as that has been in my life, it was Cliff and Claire that I wanted to model. Like, that's what I want.

[DJ Envy]

It's funny that you say that.

[Rashawn Casey]

And that's what I have. That was the model.

[Gia Casey]

That was the.

[DJ Envy]

Right.

[Gia Casey]

That's funny that you say that for, in my opinion, like all black children that watch that show and probably many other children that watch that show that represented, like, that type of house that you wanted to live in or the type of family you wanted to be a part of, the type of parents that you wanted. But the beauty of it is that as parents, they were phenomenal, phenomenal, individually and together as a couple. But you got to see the real authenticity, authentic experiences of children that messed up, that made mistakes. And then parents who got those lessons out of it, taught the lessons and everything, they helped them fix it or even help the kids come to their own conclusions about what it was that they did wrong. So it was like, kind of like what we try to do. And now, you know, in hindsight, yeah, I could say that that was absolutely a model.

[DJ Envy]

And it still is to this day. It's funny that you say that. Another reason why we wanted to write the book. We feel like there's not enough out there like that. And the reason I say that is our family is like the Cosby show, right? And when I mean, like the Cosby show, it's like we do the same shit. Like, I will battle my kids in tap dancing and dancing. Like, and I'm looking and I go back to it. I'm singing, baby, like, and it's crazy even when, like, some of the episodes where. For instance. And there was one episode where they went off and went to a concert and, you know, she came back and she got caught.

[Rashawn Casey]

But where I directed an episode.

[DJ Envy]

But to the point where, even when our kids want to go to a concert, Mommy and Daddy go. Like, we. We are that couple. Like, wait, we learned from the Cosby show as well. So, like, the other week, my daughter wanted to walk to her friend's house, right? Now, the police, father side of me will not let our kids walk to a friend's house from school.

[Gia Casey]

Right?

[DJ Envy]

It's just too dangerous. I don't care how many kids are walking. It's not gonna happen. Right?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Especially with Mom's experience.

[DJ Envy]

Especially with Mom's experience. So mom, instead of dad just saying no, we say, well, how can we make this happen? Where are you, Rashawn? Oh, I have to work that day. Okay, so this is what we're gonna do. I'm gonna drive to school, and I'm gonna follow you as you walk to your friend's house. Now, it's gonna look a little creepy because you can see a big white truck following you, but I'm going to follow you. And that's what happened. London got out of school. She wanted to walk to her friend's house.

[Gia Casey]

She had to wait for me to pull up, for me to wave, like, okay.

[DJ Envy]

And she walked to her friend's house. And Gia followed her the whole way there.

[Rashawn Casey]

How old is London?

[DJ Envy]

And she's 11. And followed her the whole way there. Now, the funny thing about our kids, our kids don't get embarrassed. Our kids like that. That's my mom following us. Don't worry. But that's how we are. We had that conversation, and we told her the reason why we didn't feel comfortable with her walking to her friend's house. And who was there. It's two young girls. Y' all by yourself. We're gonna follow you to make sure. And they understand it. They don't revolt.

[Gia Casey]

There's no like. But why? There's two other 200 other kids that. Because at their school, everybody walks home. There's no long parent line of parents picking. Because it's a very safe town. All of the kids, 9, 10, they walk home from school. It just can't be my child. Correct. Do you know what I mean?

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

I do.

[Gia Casey]

So, yeah. When I tell her that, she's not like, oh, but everybody else gets to. Why can't I? Don't you trust me? There is no conversation. She's like, okay. Because she knows where she comes from. She knows our family and how we do it. So it's like, all right, cool. So she told her friend, like, yeah, they're gonna follow us. But, you know. And then she's like, okay, cool. And that was that.

[Rashawn Casey]

Yeah. I think about being a kid. The lengths I've.

[DJ Envy]

I.

[Rashawn Casey]

My mother sent me to the store to, you know, go. Go get cigarettes or something.

[DJ Envy]

Yes.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah.

[Rashawn Casey]

Mind you, we're talking.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

He's still saying crabs, too.

[DJ Envy]

I took the bus. I didn't. Bus passes. I went to the. To the. The bodega to get a beef patty. My grandfather then sent me to the store to get his cigarettes to play his numbers. Like, I didn't been through it all right.

[Rashawn Casey]

Yeah, I was. I was. When my parents divorced, my dad moved back. Back to Chicago. We were in la, like, from six years old. I used to fly during the summers. I used to fly by myself from LA to Chicago.

[DJ Envy]

Wow.

[Rashawn Casey]

I can't. I cannot envision. No way I would have my daughter flying to Augusta.

[DJ Envy]

No way.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

By herself.

[Rashawn Casey]

No.

[DJ Envy]

No.

[Rashawn Casey]

It's a different world.

[Gia Casey]

My kids can't even walk home from the bus stop.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Gia Casey]

So much by themselves. You know, Like, I have to be there when they get off the bus. And it's because I know all too well that bad things really can and do happen.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right.

[Gia Casey]

You know, most people live in a world where nothing, nothing terrible or criminal has happened to them. That's most people's experience. But when you've had criminal things happen to you, you understand that they can and they do. So I'm hyper aware and I'm not paranoid. And, and we joke and say that we're overprotective. I don't think that we're overprotective, but we are protective. And I don't ever want my children to be in a situation because I didn't think far enough down the line about it.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

And it can happen so quickly. Right. It's like three minutes your eyes are off of them and something really terrible can happen.

[Gia Casey]

Absolutely, absolutely. You can live in the safest town in America and it, it doesn't matter because people with bad intentions are everywhere. It could be your neighbor next door and he can be on the Internet looking at things that he should never be looking at. You know what I mean? So you can now you can, you, you're. We're never, we're never safe.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right? Right.

[Gia Casey]

We're never seen.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Put in that search. I'm sure you've done this where it's like, let me see what pedophiles are in my neighborhood. You're like, yeah.

[Gia Casey]

Yes, that is scary. Yeah. So, yeah, my child would never. Because if I'm a pedophile, I'm going to go to those safe towns where everybody has that false sense of security. And all the little girls and little boys are walking home and I'm gonna find two that aren't paying attention to their environment. And I might follow them and I might case them for a few days and see what their routine is. And then when I'm ready to strike, I may strike.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah.

[DJ Envy]

You know, she watches a lot of id, by the way. She watches a lot of ID because.

[Rashawn Casey]

That'S how it goes down.

[DJ Envy]

This morning I woke up 3 o' clock in the morning, we in the hotel, she's watching idea at 3 in.

[Gia Casey]

The morning like she forensic files on HLN. Right?

[DJ Envy]

See? See, I told you.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

But, you know, you create a culture within your home, right? Within your family, and then you release your kids to a culture that's out.

[Gia Casey]

There in the world, whether it's social.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Media, the Breakfast Club, and I mentioned that because you are very much a.

[Gia Casey]

Culture keeper, culture seeker, gatekeeper.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

And I'm wondering how you balance all of that. Because what you. The decisions that you make at work, I'm wondering how that kind of. Do you discuss that or how does your interaction with culture and the black community, community at large, does it differ? Are you trying to make it parallel at home? Are you more cognizant? Has that changed over the years? Okay, so I asked eight questions.

[DJ Envy]

No.

[Gia Casey]

No.

[DJ Envy]

Can you answer them all? No, I can answer them all.

[Rashawn Casey]

Five minutes.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yes. The best.

[DJ Envy]

Best thing with me is getting beat up early on social media. When you get beat up early on social media and people attack you for many different reasons. I've been attacked so many different times. It doesn't affect me anymore. But the early days, it did. Right? Because you try to. Try to make everybody happy. Yeah, right. And you have to realize that you have to do what's best for you. You have to do what you think is right. And once you get that out your system, trying to make everybody happy and reading the comments and this person attacking you and that person attacking you, because what it wound up doing is you get a thousand comments, and it'd be five bad ones, and you concentrate on them. Five bad ones, right? And then, you know, those five bad ones stick with you. Yo, your hairline's pushed back. And then got you in the mirror, like, you know, your arms look a little flabby.

[Rashawn Casey]

You look.

[DJ Envy]

You do the pushups. You know what I mean? So it's. It sits with you. Right? So what we were able to do early on is have that conversation with our kids, make sure that they don't feel validated online. They don't look for validation on social media, on Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, X, Whatever you want to call it. Now, we try to make sure that they get that validation, that happiness, and knows that we support them from the house. So when they go outside and they see the outside world, they could care less about what somebody says out there because they know what mama thinks. They know what daddy thinks. And that was the main thing once I got through that part. Now it's easier for them. Her, on the other hand, she reads every comment, every dm, everything, because she wants to know everything. Me, I'm like you. I'm like. I read the first three. I'm done. I'm good. I don't have.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

I don't.

[DJ Envy]

I don't. I don't have to. But she wants to know everything. She wants to know what they're saying, how they're saying it. And our kids are the same way. They understand what social media is and I explained to them, use it as a tool. Right. Don't use social media for validation. You use it as a tool, whatever that tool may be for My daughters, they use it for. They go to dance and they say, okay, well, what new move can I do now? What are the dancers doing? What are the professional Broadway dancers doing? Okay, well, let me bring that into my routine. My son, he's in college, he does real estate, he does this, he does that. Use it for a tool to promote what you have to promote. My daughter. That's 23. Use it as a tool. Whatever you want to do, use it as a tool. Because they're using us as a tool. And I think that.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Right.

[DJ Envy]

And I think they. And I think they got. And they understand it.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

So when was last time that you actually replied to a negative comment at all?

[DJ Envy]

2 days ago.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

You did, you did. You. All right, so I'm curious about philosophy that you just explained. And then you.

[DJ Envy]

It wasn't. You know what? It was more funny. Sometimes I like to get funny.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

Right. Then somebody called me a.

[Gia Casey]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

And I said, I would be. I would be a to a. And that was it. It was just something cute or. I'm the type of like your mother. Like, I like the old school things, but I usually don't respond to anything like that. It was just in the DMs. I would never respond in on the comments. It was just somebody that hit me. But that was. But I usually don't respond to the DMs or nothing like that. They don't affect me that much.

[Gia Casey]

Yeah.

[Rashawn Casey]

I mean, every now and then, you know.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah. When was last time you replied to someone, not, I'm not. Not the nice comment. Not.

[Gia Casey]

Oh, thank you.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

You know, I got that black shirt at this place. I mean, that's my Malcolm voice. Now he knows my mouth voice.

[DJ Envy]

Thank you.

[Rashawn Casey]

Kenny says I always wear black shirts.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

This is one of my seven black shirts. But thank you. So, I mean, like a negative comment that kind of was like, oh, I'm gonna get back at them. And you replied, I don't.

[Rashawn Casey]

It's been a while.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Okay.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah.

[Rashawn Casey]

Cause I think when. When we first started the podcast and you know the whole thing about hip hop and, and the whole J. Cole and you know the, the thing, the thing that went viral.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Yeah.

[Rashawn Casey]

And like Tretch call Dredge called me a bitch ass N word because of my opinion. Yeah. And so that took me like down a whole rabbit hole. And I think that was the.

[DJ Envy]

That was.

[Rashawn Casey]

That experience lasted, you know, a couple of Weeks, maybe a month of me even going back. And.

[DJ Envy]

Yeah, you got jump and forth.

[Rashawn Casey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then at some point, I just realized this is. There's no way. There's no way that this is serving me at all. If anything is draining me and it's giving me anxiety and I'm, you know, I'm keyboard fighting with people who are. They're random.

[DJ Envy]

Right, Right.

[Rashawn Casey]

So I think that's the last. I think there have been comments that I may have responded to, not in a shitty way, but probably still even in my. In my nice way. Taking too much time out of my day to even fucking respond.

[DJ Envy]

Right.

[Rashawn Casey]

You know, so I'm a little over that.

[Gia Casey]

Yeah.

[Rashawn Casey]

But every now and then you read something and that.

[DJ Envy]

You know, but, you know. You know, the thing I always tell people, right. Is not even a comment. So what people do now is they. They do these minute to two minute things where they talk about what you did and they talk about you in a negative way. And I tell. And this is what I tell people. Right. And this is the best way to think about it. The problem with social media is we reward people for bad behavior. Right. And what that means is this. And I want people to really think about it out there. If you're listening, I'm at home and I'm broke. TikTok is telling me, if you do a video that's over a minute long and it gets a certain amount of views, I'm gonna pay you for it.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

Break it down.

[DJ Envy]

So how am I going to pay you for it? What's going to make people want to listen? Right. As soon as I leave here, I'm gonna do a video in the front. I just did a podcast with Malcolm Jamal Warner. And y' all would never believe, when he turned around, I seen an arm coming out his ass. I swear, I seen it. If you don't believe me, it's this, that, and the other. And you know what's gonna happen? It's gonna go viral, and I'm gonna get a million views, and I'm gonna get paid a thousand dollars that day. And I'm like, wow, it was that simple. Now, Malcolm got mad and was like, envy's a effing liar. So now he came back to me. So now I'm like, I'm gonna do it again. You know what else I saw? I seen him get in a call with 30 white women. So if his wife is listening, he's cheating on you. And this, that, and yabba yada, yada, that one gets 2 million views. So now I got paid 2,000 on that video. So on Monday and Tuesday, I got paid $3,000 to make up some fake shit. And there's no fact checking. And Tick Tock is rewarding me. And people love it. So what does that do? It makes me make up shit every single day because now it pays my bills. I don't care about you. I don't care that your wife might see it, and now she's upset with you. Like, yo, let me ask you about this. You don't care how they don't care how it affects your relationship, your daughter going to school? And hey, I seen a video online that you was in the car with three white women. Nobody cares.

[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

They don't care.

[DJ Envy]

They care about the bottom line, and that's getting paid. They don't care how. That just messed up your advertisers. I just see Michael, Jamal, Warner smoking crack. Nobody cares. And we reward these people. We watch them, we make it go viral. They make all this money. What does it do? It just brings down our culture. It just brings down us as people. And there's no fact checking. And we reward it. And that's the problem. That's what I tell people all the time. When you have a system like that, you're gonna continue to get that. I done seen people make videos on me of things I didn't even say. Just. Just make. Just random videos. And it's like you can't care about it. Yeah, they go away in a day, but people still do it because they make money.

[Rashawn Casey]

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[Malcolm Jamal Warner]

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[Rashawn Casey]

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