← Not All Hood (NAH) with Malcolm-Jamal Warner & Candace Kelley
Not All Hood (NAH) with Malcolm-Jamal Warner & Candace Kelley
S2 EP1 - Energy, Love & Legacy: Living By Thought Word & Deed W/ Keshia Knight Pulliam
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In this heartfelt and illuminating kickoff to Season 2 of Not All Hood, Malcolm-Jamal Warner, Candace Kelley, and Keshia Knight Pulliam reunite for a deeply personal, soul-expanding conversation. Reflecting on their journey from child stardom on The Cosby Show to conscious parenting and spiritual alignment, the trio explores how legacy, love, and intention shape their lives today. Keisha opens up about what it was like growing up on set from the age of 4, her evolution into motherhood, directing, and becoming a grounded creative force. Together, they discuss the power of manifestation, the importance of community, maintaining high vibrational energy, and the spiritual practices that anchor them. They also reflect on the shifting landscape of television and why diverse Black stories matter more than ever. Candid, nostalgic, and packed with wisdom, this episode is a powerful reminder that healing, growth, and joy are possible when we align thought, word, and deed. #notallhood #mal...
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Comrades, welcome to season two. It is so good to have you back. And we're kicking the season off, leaning into love and legacy. Keisha Knight Pulliam, y', all, hands down one of my favorite people. She is more than my friend. She is family. Our bond goes way beyond the Cosby Show. We have both managed to navigate through the murky waters of child stardom, our souls and dignity in. Keisha is a force, actress, director, producer, entrepreneur, advocate, all around dope human being, and a powerful mother with a whole new sense of clarity and conviction. And yeah, she's still my little sis, but I'm constantly learning from her. This is a conversation I know you're going to enjoy.
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Guest/Co-host
Yay. Yay. Yay.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
So I gotta say that this is. We've had some really. We've had some really great guests on our podcast, but I think this is probably about to be my favorite already. No shade to Dr. Black, Dr. Joy Shalom. No shade to anybody else but this right here.
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Guest/Co-host
Are there any words? You were just showing a picture to her of the last day. I think one of y' all's gonna swell up.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
I know. I'm trying. I'm trying not to already.
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Guest/Co-host
Wait a minute. I'm like, okay, let me. It was the last day of shooting. So sweet. You're kissing her on her head.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah.
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Guest/Co-host
What? What? What were those feelings then?
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Well, I just remember, you know, I mean, for me, I was, you know, I was 22, but I, I. I remember we were all. We had done the show for eight years, so we were all ready to live our lives. Right. You know, Phylicia didn't want to go to just be a mom. Kesha just wanted to go to school. And I knew I was doing another show the following season, so we were all ready to just kind of move on. So I was cool with finishing the last episode and everybody saying bye. I was so cool. Had no emotions. And then I saw Keisha started crying, and I started crying.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
No, because I think everyone was definitely at different places in their lives, I think. But the difference for me is I started on this show when I was 4 years old. Oh, that sounds for me, this is family. You know what I mean? This is what I had, you know, from 4 to right before 13. I had spent all of those years, so it was the reality that we're not doing this tomorrow.
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Guest/Co-host
Right, Right. Yeah. And I would imagine that, well, y' all are friends now, and so it's. I'm wondering for life.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Yeah.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yes.
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Guest/Co-host
So even though you didn't see each other the next day and all that there was, y' all still connected.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
So Keisha's very intentional. It's one of the things I love about you, and Keisha has no problem calling you out.
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Guest/Co-host
Okay, break it down.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
No, I mean, look, there were several. Look, I called you. You haven't called me back.
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Guest/Co-host
Right, Right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
No, because Malcolm lives with his phone on silent.
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Guest/Co-host
I don't know.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
I'm talking about even before parenthood, though.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Yeah, right.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Like, I mean. I mean, that's who you are now. But even back then, you were very. You were. You were very intentional about keeping our relationship alive.
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Guest/Co-host
Right.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
And even times, you know, I'm a little older, and I'm, you know, I'm in my 20s. I'm doing what you want outside even, you know. But Keisha was very intentional about making sure I checked in. Oh, look, look. I called you a couple times. You haven't called me back yet.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You know, don't make me show up.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah, right, right. It's not the Keisha that we see on the Cosby Show. It's a different Keisha.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
No, no, we're looking at a different Keisha.
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Guest/Co-host
Let's just say that.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
But I think the thing is, that's who I am, though, as a person. When I love you, when you're in my village. First of all, it doesn't matter how much Time has passed. Like, even if we don't speak to each other, the love never dissipates. And in addition to that, you know, we pick up where we left off. So it was never in a way of, like, you know.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
What. What you think you. But it's. It's genuinely in a way of, hey, I'm checking on you. I called you. You didn't return. All is, you know, everything good. Are you good? All right, well, I'll be calling you back, you know, and not in an overbearing way, but in a way that's about love. Because when you're family, that's what family does. And family is not just who you're related to by blood. To me, the word friend, even is a very weighted word, because friends are the family that I choose. So the way that you show up for that village is in alignment with that. So, you know, with Malcolm, I don't. I'm not taking it personally or anything. I'm simply like, hey, you know, what's going on? I'm checking on you. And I just think that's. That's the way I desire for my village to show up for me. So I'm always going to treat people the way I desire to be treated.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah. And otherwise, you wouldn't have had that communication you need to make. Even in family and friendship, you do have to make an effort to grow and communicate and keep that relationship alive.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
In an allowing way. Like, I. Yeah. I let grown people be grown and allow you to be where you are and embrace you where you are. But at the same time, I'm still going to show up.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah. Yeah.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
And I think there's something about. Accountability is not the. Not really the word I'm looking for, but I think there's also something when. At least from, let's say, with you personally, what landed for me was the importance of our relationship. Right. So Even in my 20s, you know, the fact that keeping in touch or at a time, you know, not necessarily keeping in touch, the way it landed on you was important for me, if that makes sense. You know, like, oh, wait a minute. This is really important to Keisha. Not that it wasn't important to me, but like, oh, this is really important to Keisha. Oh, okay. Let me be. Let me show up.
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Guest/Co-host
Right, right. Because the impact was very meaningful to her.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah.
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Guest/Co-host
And if it wasn't there, obviously, she. You needed that space filled. You know what I mean?
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I don't even think it's a matter of a void, of a space filled. Build it All I think that it's more so just like I said, how you show up for family. So it wasn't a matter of requiring him to do anything other than be who he was.
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Guest/Co-host
Right? Right, right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Not requiring anything of him for me to be whole. That wasn't what it. That's never been what it is. But you know, for me, because of the time that was shared, all of the cast members, whether we've spoken yesterday or years, hold a special place in my heart. We experienced a time that was magical. Not just for the world to witness, but for us as well. And I think I have a very different perspective because I was a child. And when you have that innocence, when you have that wide eyed, just knowing that you know of the beauty of all things, when you're not tainted by anyone else's, are jaded by others opinions or grown up stuff or what have you. I guess because of my perspective in that moment, yes, we were all there. But my perspective is very unique to me because of where I was in my life when I experienced it. So no matter what, they're all family to me and I will embrace them as such. You know, you have to, like I said, let grown people be grown. It doesn't mean you agree with decisions that have made or choices that are made, but at the same time you, you do show up with love.
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Guest/Co-host
So being such a young age, when did you know, oh, that was magic or this is magic, I was present.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
In the moment of experiencing what it was. But I guess I didn't realize the magic it was to other people until I was older. Like I always say that, like, you know, it wasn't until I'm in a sociology class and we're studying us that I'm understanding the magnitude of what it is. Because for me it was just my life. You know, your normalcy is your life experiences. So for me it was normal. This is what you do. And for other people it wasn't normal, if that makes sense. Yeah. And I've always been, you know, my family, we always joke because, you know, Malcolm's known me through like nine, like all the phases. All the phases. And you know, it's funny because my parents were very young when I was going through this and I know now, now know as a parent that you don't have a manual. Right. You figuring this out, you flying by the seat of your pants just trying to make sure that they don't have too much therapy when they get older.
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Guest/Co-host
Right, right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You know, and that they, that's what you're trying to do. But, you know, my parents were very intentional about keeping me grounded. And so I never saw myself the way other. And I still don't think I do today the way other people may see me. And, you know, I've always just been me. I always say I am authentically who I am. And, you know, and twice on Tuesday at all times.
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Guest/Co-host
This is it.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
This is it.
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Guest/Co-host
There we go.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah. I think we were. I think when we came up on. On that show, you know, we were. We overlapped different strokes. Right. So the Todd Bridges, Dana Plato. Right. And we knew all of the horror stories of, you know, kids, you know, in. In the business. And our parents, I think. Well, I think 1. I felt like there was no excuse. Like, like, like, like we. We see what the tragedies are.
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Guest/Co-host
Right.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
And they're like, they're literally right in front of our faces.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Literally.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
And then we had parents who were aware of that too. And I think all of our parents had a really good sense of being parents.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
First.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah.
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Guest/Co-host
Right.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah. And. And, and, and it's. That's a tricky. It's also, It's a. It's a tricky balancing act because you have this kid who is in the public eye, you know, you have this kid who's paying the bills.
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Guest/Co-host
Right, right.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
So there's a certain. There's. There's. There's a certain space you have to allow for kids in general, but you got. You gotta allow that space for the kid and then allow for this professional thing as well, but still be the parent so the kid doesn't go off the rails. And I think our parents did a really good job.
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Guest/Co-host
They really did. Yeah. Especially since there wasn't some textbook or an understanding slightly more that we have today, even though people still fail. But back in the day, it's not like there were dozens of other parents, I would imagine, that they were congregating with and sharing stories you were learning along the way.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
And there were other parents. They just weren't doing the same thing.
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Guest/Co-host
They weren't doing. Right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
They were doing something different.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
There was an advantage we had, too, because we shot the show in New York.
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Guest/Co-host
Absolutely.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
And that was a conscious decision too. And I'm grateful for that. I'm from New Jersey originally.
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Guest/Co-host
Right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
So, you know, Newark.
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Guest/Co-host
Right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I was born in Newark, New Jersey, and we still lived in Jersey even when we filmed and just, you know, commuted across, you know, the bridge at the time.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
And I'm really grateful for that. I'm super. Because I've never really lived in la. I've had a place there, but it's been like a second home. And it's never been. My primary residence has never been laid. And I'm grateful. Cause it's just my spirit isn't. That's not for me.
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Guest/Co-host
Right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
It's just not for me.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
And because. Because we weren't in Hollywood, it's like, you know, our best friends were, you know, we didn't have best friends on the same lot, on the stage next door, on another show. Like, there weren't other shows shooting in New York.
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Guest/Co-host
I see.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
So our friends were really people who were regular people. Like, they weren't in the business. They weren't even trying to get into the business, so. And New York has a. Growing up in New York on television is very different from growing up in la, on television in that in New York, they really don't care.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
They don't have. It's not the allow. It's not the access. The same.
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Guest/Co-host
It's 8 million people not worry about y' all as much.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Yeah.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
People are so into their own thing.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
So. And there's also. There's a sense of reality that you get growing up in New York that you don't get growing up. Let's say in la. The example I used to always give, you could live in the dopest high rise.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Yeah.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
In New York City. But you step out, you see a reality.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You're going to see Bond, Bob, John, whoever, who. You know, and it creates this duality of understanding. I think, you know, because even now, I make sure that our kids, you know, my kids get that. Me and my husband kids, we get that. Because you need to understand how blessed you are. And you have to understand that everyone doesn't have access to these things or these experiences. But bigger than that, you know, that everyone is worthy, whether they're unhoused, whether they have millions and billions of dollars, whether they can do something for you they can't. You know, for me, it's really important to grow amazing human beings first. The rest of it. Look, if my child, I always say, if she want to sell snow cones in Alaska, I'll be right there with her. But it's the human being piece that's the most important. Yeah.
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Guest/Co-host
And. And that mainly comes from the parenting right at home. Right. It's at the dinner table, it's at, you know, you're there when you're home from school. It's exchanging stories. It's really getting to be able to talk to your kids.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Man, I gotta leave. Today because I'm the parent over tumbling club you saw when you were so recently. I mean, just to, you know, bring it full circle to present day. You know, Malcolm, we just met for. For lunch. Like, we get together with, you know, our husbands, the wives, the families, and, well, this time we had a kid free. One was very nice. Not to say we don'. Love the keys, but afterward were able to come and come by my daughter's school, and it was so beautiful and so special to me. It was because Ella had no clue that they were going to pop up and were looking or what have you. And so she was just like, mommy, I saw Uncle Malcolm. It's like, you did. Okay. I don't even know where I was going with that. But at the end of the day, I'm grateful that, you know, we have those moments with our families and our kids and our daughters adore each other.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
That's the most surreal adore each other thing. Our daughters are, what, three months apart and they love each other. And it's so surreal because we'll just watch them playing and they're. And they're both such little ladies, you know, like, please and thank you. Like, you know, you hear kids say please and thank you to each other. Like, yeah, they're just such little ladies. And it's, it's. It's so surreal to me that we have this kind of relationship as parents, and we see our next generation have this, you know, this bond at such a young age.
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Guest/Co-host
Right. Very close to the age that you were when you.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Yeah, well, my daughter's older, actually. She's eight.
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Guest/Co-host
They're eight.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Oh, okay.
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Guest/Co-host
They're eight.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
They're eight. So it's, it's a little older, but still, it's like, who would have thought we'd have kids around the same time? That's weird. Like, who knew? But I'm so grateful we did. I'm so grateful that, you know, with you coming to, To Atlanta, like, it's so amazing to me just how life evolves. You know, you never know. You know, the twists and turns that it's going to take. And, you know, Malcolm came and was like, oh, it's temporary. I was like, okay, that's cool. You know, it was temporary. And then temporary was a couple years, a couple more years. And I'm grateful because I think that one change also created the space for us to now bring this relationship so current.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You know, because we live in the same state, because we have girls that are the same age, because you married well. Thank God. And so did I. I must. I must say yes.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Because that matters. It all does.
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Guest/Co-host
You can't have to double date like that if the.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Listen, let me tell you, it's a trifecta. When the husbands get along, the wives and the kids get along.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah. You're winning.
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Guest/Co-host
Wow. Wow. Wow. That. That's really amazing. That's really amazing. Okay, so I have to ask.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Yes.
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Guest/Co-host
This is just. This is just flat out. I got y' all here. What do y' all think about television today? And I know that's a big question, so I'm just gonna let you, like, throw the dot where you want. I don't want to get too specific.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Malcolm's gonna give you some old, deep.
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Guest/Co-host
Answers or really generic, so he won't.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You wanna go first? Second.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
You go first. You go first.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Because mine is gonna be very whimsical.
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Guest/Co-host
Okay. All right, all right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Very whimsical.
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Guest/Co-host
I'm already getting the warning that these answers are not gonna be real, so. All right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I didn't say it wasn't gonna be real.
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Guest/Co-host
This is whimsical.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
No, no, no, no, no. Not at all. Because whimsical doesn't mean not real.
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Guest/Co-host
Okay.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
It doesn't. I think that a lot of times, you know, people feel they have to be grounded and weighted in this heavy reality that they've created. And they don't understand that they can create a different reality based on thought. Word, indeed. What you think, what you do, and how you show up in this world. So a lot of people feel so tied to what they feel is the process that's been confining them. Confining them and saying this is what it has to be. But I don't really consign to that. And Malcolm will tell you that. So, you know, that's why I said I. You know, I'm laughing because I know we're going to have very different perspectives.
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Guest/Co-host
Okay, so what's your whimsical answer?
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You know, I think everything grows and evolves.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You know, I feel like. Yes. Is it different? Like, I. We're the old people now who are, like, back in our day, this is how it used to be done. You know, you. This. And that's. That's just kind of. I do share in that. I do share in the space of, like, just work ethic and the space of, you know, really having talent behind what you do. And it. Not just being about popularity, not just being about likes. Not just being about, you know, the illusion of what you think it is. To be. To be famous. You know, I feel like this generation is so attracted to shiny things.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
And it's really about, you know, the whole picture. You know, it's nothing wrong with shiny. I like shiny things, but have the depth and breath. Depth and breath and the substance as well. So I think the difference is, you know, back in the day, you only had a couple channels.
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Guest/Co-host
That's right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You had, you know, the majors. That's it.
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Guest/Co-host
Remember when they added Fox?
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Right. So I think that, you know, we could talk about this in a whole show.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
But, you know, because of that, it. It kind of very much limited the access the world and who could be a part of that world. And the stories that were told, I think from. And I'm also very much optimistic. So I try to look at things. I know my energy flows where my attention goes. So I look at the positive in things. Not to say that other things don't exist, but I'm going to look at the positive, the positives of what's going on now. I feel it's created a space where any and everyone can be a storyteller and can tell their story. Where before there was a lot of gatekeeping, where people didn't have the access to tell the stories they wanted to tell and to. To share those stories. Yes. I'm not saying that it's easy to get on the Netflixes and the Amazons and the this of the world, but there are so many platforms where people can tell their stories now where that didn't exist before. I appreciate that it also creates room and space to tell a variety of stories, because I feel like for so long and a lot of times people look at it as just black stories for white stories. And I don't consign to that. Like, stories are. Stories are about people. They're about your experiences. You, of course, as being a black person. There are certain cultural things that are universal to our. Our story. But then there are a whole lot of things that aren't, you know, every black. I always say, like having graduated from Spelman, a lot of people are like, how did you go to Spelman? All these black women, Everybody's just the same. I'm like, no. Have you ever met two black women who are exactly the same? Because I haven't. So it's the beauty of being able to tell the rainbow and the variety of our stories of, you know, just our experiences even, you know, I'm taking it back to, like, ADW and the diaspora. There are black people everywhere, and we all have different experiences, but some that are just culturally the same. So it's the beauty of being able to tell all of those different stories and learn and embrace and grow as a result of it. You know, you can get into the behind the scenes mechanics of, of business and all those things and have a whole bunch of things to say. Who's green lighting, who's not, who's putting money behind, who's not, who's. But this right here is a testament that you all said, you know what, we want our voices to be heard and we want to tell our stories because not everybody's hood.
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Guest/Co-host
Right? Right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
So we're going to tell the variety of the diaspora and the variety of the experiences. So that's what you did. And here we are today. So this is the beauty of where we are right now.
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Guest/Co-host
I really love the idea that when I turn on a television and I see black characters, they're not all the same, they're not all a monolith, as we say. And that really my test is always, could I exchange the characters out and make them black or white and it not matter? And that is really. That makes for a really good script. And that happens a lot abroad. When I see what they're doing in the United Kingdom generally, because they're different about their characters and how they portray them. And that's what I love. Like you said, the variety of everybody that's out there. I know that if I look on a television show, I may see something that is particularly hood. That's fine.
- [23:22]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
That's okay.
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Guest/Co-host
That's right, that's fine. Because that is a part of, of the world that we live in and that's a part of the cloth and the fabric that we've sewn into America. And then I can look at another story. And I love seeing the stories from abroad in the Caribbean and inside of the American experience and outside of the American experience, because that's who we are and that's who I'm going to come across and in any given day, you know, so I went to get my hair braided the other day and I was, you know, I was in Senegal for that, for that particular time. Went down the street to a, you know, a particular restaurant. And then I was in the Caribbean.
- [23:59]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Jamaica.
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Guest/Co-host
That's right.
- [24:00]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Get some jerk chicken.
- [24:01]
Guest/Co-host
Get some jerk chick. Right. So all of those things. I love the choice. Now sometimes I will have to go look for that choice because we are still behind, but at least there's more choice.
- [24:14]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I appreciate also that now we have more people on both sides of the camera. Because if we're gonna tell our stories, we can't just tell our stories as the talent we have to. That story has to be told from the production side, from the producer, from the director, from. I'm happy that now, like, when we were. Like, when people were younger, they only saw them in front of the camera. I only want to be an actor because they didn't know all of the people behind the scenes that brought this together, who made decisions, who wrote the words, who. Who did all those things. So I'm really grateful that more of us are transitioning behind the scenes, because that's so important. I know. I was like, that's why I'm so excited. Like, I love directing. Directing is like my jam. And I was directing this project, and it was for Hallmark, which, you know, traditionally has a lot of. Tells, a lot of really white stories. They're good stories, but it's a lot.
- [25:06]
Guest/Co-host
Of Christmas story by chance.
- [25:07]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
This one wasn't.
- [25:07]
Guest/Co-host
Oh, it wasn't. Okay.
- [25:08]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
This one wasn't. I've done a lot of Christmas movies, but this one was Girlfriendship, and it was the story Tamara Mowry Housley, she was my number one in it. Amazing love. And so even that, like, the fact that we grew up in the business together, having the opportunity to work with her director, my husband actually played in it as well. But it was funny. What I loved being on the other side is, you know, we're telling the story of them going to this retreat and making the wrong choice and ended up at this Gullah Geechee, like, wellness retreat. Opposed to this, like, turned up retreat. But I'm like, if we're going to tell this story, we. We're going to have to be authentic to the Gullah Geechee community. If we're going to pour libations, we gonna pour libations. We gonna do this right. We are going to ensure that we are educating people, but also entertaining them and understanding that the little things that they may not even notice but are culturally accurate. And that's what I love from my side, being able to fight those fights and ensure that that happens. Like little things. Like, we had this beautiful montage, and I had to fight for the song Wade in the Water. And I'm really grateful that I did, because you also have to pick your battles, because there's always something. But I'm grateful that that was something that I was like, no, no, no, no, it cannot be down by the riverside, because first of all, we ain't at the River.
- [26:29]
Guest/Co-host
Right, right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
That, you know, for this beautiful time, this is what we need. So just giving that kind of example of the beauty of saying y' all out there, don't just be the actor. That's amazing. Too be the actor, if that's what you love. But you could be the sound engineer, you could be the editor. You could do so many things.
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Guest/Co-host
Right. And you should know all of those, so to make sure that it is being done right in the process when you are directing. Because I'm sure you know a little bit about each of the areas. Of course. Right, Process.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Absolutely.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
I think that, you know, what you said about the gatekeepers, you know, the gatekeepers don't have as much of a stronghold, you know, because, again, there are so many platforms. Right. So you can, you know, you can take your project there. There's so many different outlets, so you don't have to be beholden to just a few outlets that we've had. And I think now, because it's very clear from a money perspective that black people make money. We always have. Yeah, but, but, but now that it's clear from. From the industry's perspective, and they want. They want a piece of that. Yeah. So I think what is great is that we have such a multitude of stories to tell that reflects the many different facets of black culture. So, you know, there are. There are options.
- [28:02]
Guest/Co-host
Yeah, Right.
- [28:02]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
So if you don't like something that's stereotypical, you've got.
- [28:06]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Turn the channel.
- [28:06]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah, yeah. There's something else that you can watch.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
- [28:09]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
And I love that you've, you know, you've given me a list of black shows.
- [28:14]
Guest/Co-host
That's my thing. I always say, someone say, have you seen before? They say, seen what? I say, yes, because whatever it is, I've probably seen it because I've seen enough and I've, you know, surfed the channels enough to look for myself in these stories. I have not seen a full episode of Friends, and people will say, oh, my. As much as you watch. I can't believe it. I mean, yes, I know what it's about. You can say the names. I know. I'm just saying that contextually for the world. It has not invited me to that table, and there's nothing the matter with that. I don't have to see that. I've seen enough of Friends, like shows. I've been. I'm so glad that the door is open where I can digest something else that hasn't looked the same growing up, all of my life, my whole life.
- [29:00]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
What are you watching now?
- [29:01]
Guest/Co-host
I just finished Paradise.
- [29:03]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
What's that about? I don't know.
- [29:05]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Dustin Sterling.
- [29:06]
Guest/Co-host
That's Sterling. Oh, yeah. How many episodes? Eight.
- [29:10]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Okay.
- [29:11]
Guest/Co-host
Yeah, yeah. Episode number seven, y'. All. Somebody in the comments. And when I tell you I sat on the edge of my seat. I don't do that at home. And then after I was done, I was like. I looked at my husband. I was like, can you. We were like, can you believe that? It was good.
- [29:30]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Okay, we're gonna have to watch you.
- [29:31]
Guest/Co-host
You really, really do. So, yeah, I'm watching, but I watched everything. I'm watching Severance. You know, Paradise. You know, any movie that comes out, I'm into a lot of thrillers. Thrillers that have to do with African American experience. Experience. All of those are amazing. So, yeah, a lot gone.
- [29:48]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I'm gonna throw this shameless plug in. Watch what? Watch Wife Stalker on Lifetime.
- [29:52]
Guest/Co-host
Okay, okay.
- [29:53]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Yes, I saw that pop up. Yes, yes.
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Guest/Co-host
Okay. All right. Okay. I do. I do.
- [29:59]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I like a good thriller.
- [30:00]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
When does it come out?
- [30:01]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
It comes. I don't know when this is airing, but it comes out on the 29th of this month. Of March. Of this month. So either way, you'll be able to look up Wife Stalker because, you know, everything lives throughout perpetuity.
- [30:13]
Guest/Co-host
That's right. Once it comes on. Yeah. No, but I am glad that we've moved into that. That genre too. Whether it's horror, whether it's stalking. I mean. Well, because that. We have those experiences, too. Let's be real.
- [30:24]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You know, I just want us to, like. I. To tell human stories.
- [30:28]
Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
- [30:29]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You know, not that it. In any ways, because, you know, I'm blackity black, black, black. So I'm not saying it from that perspective, but there's such like a. It's a black or it's white. No, no, no. We are living this human experience together, you know, so the things that affect us, everyone, no matter if you're black, whatever color you are, you experience joy, you know, what pain feels like, you know what sadness, you know what excitement, anxiety, like, all of these emotions are so human, no matter what your skin color is. And I really hope that we can get to a space that we're really telling the human story. Because part of, like, if you want to compare it to all the stuff. I don't want to get into everything that's going on in this world right now from a political standpoint and all that, but we have to get back to humanity.
- [31:15]
Guest/Co-host
We do it. We do, we do. And I think that will take a Lot of collective just, you know, getting to know each other really is sharing stories. That's what you do when you know someone on just an everyday level. You come across somebody at the grocery store or maybe you're in church and you are really getting to know someone by sharing stories. And in terms of, you know, acting and producing, you have a bigger stage in order to have that influence, which is why it's so important. What you're saying is so important.
- [31:45]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
And then also, also energy that you put out.
- [31:49]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Right.
- [31:49]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Like, one of the things that I really love about you is your energy. Right. And just your perspective on just the filter with which you see things. Because you know, you know me, I can be. Be a little judgmental in a lot of ways.
- [32:07]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
It's okay.
- [32:08]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
But like, I can, like there's a certain filter through which I see things. And oftentimes when talking to Kesha and hearing that, you know, that whimsical quality, whatever, but it literally expands my perspective on things. Like, like, like literally and immediately because makes me. It just. It just, it makes me go beyond what I know is true. It's like, yes, what I know is true. And there's also this other side that is just as true. So there's something that I love about just how you see life and how you have manifested such an incredible life. You know, when I talk about you, I always talk about how you are the most well adjusted person who has been a child on television. Right. Just to see your journey and to have watched your. Watch you at every part of your journey. Look, I know we've had, We've had. We've had great parents, we've had great guidance. But I would love for you to share your process in how you manifest because you can. Even. We're talking last week, right. Even you continually manifest such incredible things in your life.
- [33:46]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Well, let me start by saying this. Anything you see within me exists within you or you would not be able to see it.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Sure. Yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Period.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You know, I don't know. It's in. The funny thing is, and I say that because you do the same thing, but just a different process.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Sure, sure.
- [34:07]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You do the same thing, except you have to connected to process. That's the difference where with me, I don't. It doesn't have to. It is because I see it.
- [34:18]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Right? Right. For you it just is.
- [34:20]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
It is because it is. And no one can tell me it's not.
- [34:25]
Guest/Co-host
So.
- [34:25]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
And I mean, it takes a little bit of, I guess, delusion that someone, some people may think. But what I know is. I know the power of energy. I know the power of. Of when your thought, your word and your deed being in alignment, how that is the reality that you live in. You know, a lot of people give their power away and think that things are happening to them when they don't like the life that's reflecting them. They think it's someone and everyone else's fault instead of taking accountability and saying, okay, I am the captain of my ship. And not. And it doesn't. It's not about being arrogant. It's not about any of those things, but it's about understanding that all the things that you're doing, the thoughts. Because people are really, really good at saying what they think is the right thing or doing what they think is the right thing. But the truth of who you are and what your experience is, is what you are saying to yourself behind your eyes and between your ears. What does that dialogue look like? What does that tape sound like? And the biggest thing that I've done is change that tape. Because even our parents, they can only hand down to us what they know. Right?
- [35:36]
Guest/Co-host
Right.
- [35:37]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
And you can't. You don't know what you don't know until you know it. So there's a million amazing foundational things that my parents gave to me, but there are also things that no longer serve me and where I am in my journey anymore that I had to do something. I had to reword that. I had to change that tape. You know, because I'm. I'm first generation at this. Like, my parents met in college. They would have been the first ones to graduate. They had me. Neither one of them graduated. They're from New Jers. Like, they didn't come. I didn't. I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. So there's certain things, like my dad, meaning well, would say, like, you know, money is easily lost and hard earned. Or, you know, like, I think I said that right. Basically. But not understanding how that's planting a seed of lack. I know he came from a space of wanting to empower you to recognize the value of money. But to me, it's a tool like anything else. And the sooner that you can identify those, because it comes up in sneaky ways, like negativity can present itself in such a pretty package with a bow.
- [36:40]
Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
- [36:41]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
That you don't know it's negative, that you're thinking, oh, I am positive. I am do. And you're not. So it's drilling down and really doing that inner work. And that's what I had to do and just really recognizing what brings me joy, you know, listening to my intuition, recognizing that it's okay for me to march to the. To the beat of my own drum and be different, you know, because so often. And I know this isn't saying anyone else, like, I think everyone goes through this where you want to be liked or you want to fit in, or you want to. But being okay with not knowing everyone isn't meant for you, and you're not meant for everybody.
- [37:24]
Guest/Co-host
That's okay.
- [37:24]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
But it's okay. And it doesn't have to be a thing. It doesn't have to be friction, you know, so it's. So it's such a multitude of things, but the biggest thing is how do I show up and allowing my feel, how I feel in any one given situation, to be a barometer of if this is where I'm supposed to be, what direction I'm supposed to go, asking for help. Like, we could have a whole situation. I talked to my angels, the universe, God, all the things, and. But the biggest thing is everyone, especially in our community, in the black community, you got to pray, you got to Jesus, and you got it. And it's not negating any of that. But people pray, pray, pray, pray, pray. But when do you sit and listen to the answer? When do you wait to hear the direction? So for me, meditation has been paramount just to quiet the. The chatter, to create the stillness in my energy so that I can know which direction I'm supposed to go. So you know whether that's in it. And it comes from all the areas. It comes from all the things you're ingesting. What is the music that you're listening to? Who are the people that you're around? What are the energies that they come to the table with? You know, if you're around negative people, you're going to be negative. So sometimes you have to. You can do it with love and light. You have to distance yourself from people that aren't in alignment with who you desire to be and where you desire to go. So it's like it's such a loaded question that I don't even know where to start, but it starts with you. That's what I would say. For me, it starts with me getting very clean and clear about what it is I desire.
- [39:09]
Guest/Co-host
And the inner joy, you know, someone told me, you know, joy is what you have on the inside. Happiness comes from the outside interactions that you have, but you're not going to be happy with unless you have that Inner joy, that's settled first in order to go out. But it is about attitude. I think it is about just saying to yourself, all right, how am I going to approach this day? Sometimes it's very intentional for me. You might wake up and you might think, oh my goodness, oh, I have all these things on my mind. But I make the commitment of actually being happy.
- [39:38]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I'll give you a really easy example. Not an example. I'll give you a really easy exercise. Every morning you wake up, think of three things that you're grateful for. Every night that you go to bed, a different three things that you're grateful for. I find that when I. When you do that and consistently, it will help to shift your lens because a lot of people were like, that's cool, but how the hell you do that? That don't make sense. So simple exercises like that, looking for the good in. In every day when you wake up, before I get up, I ask God, the universe to cover me with the white light, to protect me, to guide me, to allow no harm to come to me and my family. I asked my asked to be buffered from negative and benevolent energy and thought, word, deed or exposure experience. Like, there's certain things that before I start my day that before I even open my eyes, happen.
- [40:32]
Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
And the gratitude piece, the more I am grateful for. If you woke up tomorrow and only had what you were grateful for, what would be there?
- [40:44]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Gratitude begets gratitude. So in my mornings, I do. I actually do list 10 things that I'm grateful for. And oftentimes those things may repeat, you know, but I'm still grateful for those things. And I tell people all the time that when you see people, you know, who seem to be positive all the time and smiling all the time and people like, why they so happy all the time, you know, and, and, and I tell people that it. Sometimes it takes work.
- [41:12]
Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
- [41:12]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Because life happens to everybody.
- [41:13]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah.
- [41:14]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Life has some.
- [41:15]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Some days you wake up and it takes a little more work to approach the day positive. It may take a little more work to find that. That happy place. So being happy all the time or being positive all the time has this, this corny connotation to it to people who don't know how to access that within them.
- [41:38]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
And I don't get it right all the time. Nobody does. I don't get it right all the time. But when I'm not, it feels wrong. Like it's different when you're in the space of. And it's like, all right, you know what? My energy Isn't right. Let me fix my energy. Right.
- [41:51]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
So you spend less time.
- [41:52]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I take accountability for the fact that I'm being a little stinky today. I need to, I need to shift my energy energy and figure this out real quick.
- [42:01]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
And having, having the tools again, we, we all, you know, get those spaces, but having the, the tools, you don't spend as much time.
- [42:09]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Yeah.
- [42:10]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
In those spaces. And that, you know that the low vibration. The.
- [42:13]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Because low vibration begets low vibration and you start attracting all kind of stuff. You'd be like, damn, why this car just hit me today?
- [42:22]
Guest/Co-host
You use that freeze a lot. You use low vibration a lot.
- [42:26]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah.
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Guest/Co-host
And when you say that, I want to make sure I understand what you mean. Actually, you both mean. But you might mean the exact same thing.
- [42:33]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Sure. For me, low vibration is that it's a dark space. It's a space that doesn't necessarily feel good.
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Guest/Co-host
Okay.
- [42:46]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
You know, and. And again, that feel good. You know, a lot of people can find. A lot of people find comfort in dark spaces.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
- [42:55]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Because they're used to it.
- [42:56]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah. Because they're used to it. Yeah.
- [42:58]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
It feels normal.
- [42:59]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah. And for me, low vibration has been so normalized in our, you know, don't get me talking about our music, but in our music. Right. In our music. There's so much low vibration in our music. It's like, it's almost as if we're being conditioned to normalize low vibration. So for me, low vibration, when I come across it or when I feel it in my realm, I feel it like in my gut. It doesn't. This doesn't feel good. It'll bring me a little bit of anxiety, but it's a space that I know does not benefit me, does not suit me.
- [43:37]
Guest/Co-host
I think the interesting point there is that everybody's low vibration point is not the same, which is why we are where we are. Do you know what I mean? So low vibration for you in terms of. I will take the rap music that's just filled with cusses. It might feel ooh inside, but for some people, they're getting up and dancing. So it's like a. It's a different. And as you said, you know, the person that you speak to the most is yourself. You know, you have to get that. That right in order to find that. That center that, you know, we're all talking about here.
- [44:05]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
If it is not not only bringing love and bringing joy to you, but to someone else, it's low vibration. You know, if it isn't kind. If you're Cutting someone off, if you're cussing someone out, if you're. Those are low. Vibr gets low vibration. If you are not being generous, if you're being stingy, if you're. That is low vibration. You know, there's so many different ways and, and it's not even carp on that. There's simple ways to increase your vibration. Simple ways like letting the person go in front of you.
- [44:37]
Guest/Co-host
Amen.
- [44:37]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Simple ways like when you see an unhoused person, give them a dollar. Like, my husband always gets mad at me because I'll see him, I'll give him food, a dollar, whatever it is. And he's like, do not roll your window down when you were by yourself. I'm like, baby, I. It's O know, but those are the things when you pay it forward in the little, the little instances, those are the ways that you can raise your vibration. Like you said, listening to music, that's uplifting, that's joyful. If you come to our house, like my husband, he. You're gonna hear meditation music through the house, like singing bowls. I got my singing bowls on the back porch. I'll be out there sitting on my little poof doing my thing. That's who I am. But I think, and it's funny, it's one of the. The first things that I did switch was the music that I listened to and realizing what the impact that that has. And look, I'm not gonna say, let something come on from back in some.
- [45:30]
Guest/Co-host
Right, right. Yes.
- [45:31]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
It does invoke the emotions and the feelings of the time and space with those friends.
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Guest/Co-host
Sure.
- [45:37]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
But at the same time, I do understand the impact that it has on me energetically. And when you're like, no, I don't need those problems.
- [45:47]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Right.
- [45:47]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Do something different.
- [45:48]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah, yeah. They don't, they don't, they don't. They don't suit me. They don't benefit me. They don't. They don't benefit my well being.
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Guest/Co-host
Right, right.
- [45:56]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
But I think. But again, they're still thinking about music.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Yeah.
- [46:00]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
That you still. You put on today. And I'd be like, yeah, I still know the words.
- [46:03]
Guest/Co-host
Right, right, right.
- [46:03]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I will sing all of Little Kim's hardcore album verbatim.
- [46:07]
Guest/Co-host
I will.
- [46:08]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I'm just saying.
- [46:10]
Guest/Co-host
Right. Right here.
- [46:11]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I can't forget.
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Guest/Co-host
Get it? Oh, yeah. It takes you back to a time, doesn't it? When the music comes on.
- [46:17]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
Remember we were in New York and we were, we were in between. We on the press run, we were in between. And I was like, all right, I'm I'm. I'm going to. To play for you guys one of my guilty pleasures. And it was.
- [46:29]
Guest/Co-host
What was it?
- [46:30]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
It was dog pound. Murder was the case. Candace looked at me like, who are you? We just did this whole thing about the N word and my love hate relationship.
- [46:43]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Exactly. But. But we are do like the duality of who we are. We also have to embrace that.
- [46:49]
Guest/Co-host
We do.
- [46:49]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Because no one is the exact same all the time. You know.
- [46:52]
Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
- [46:52]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
We've all had experiences that have had. Have culminated in who we are today. So we can't act like they didn't exist. You know, it's part of who we are.
- [47:02]
Guest/Co-host
It made us up because.
- [47:03]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Yes.
- [47:03]
Guest/Co-host
And we wouldn't trade them.
- [47:05]
Malcolm-Jamal Warner
No.
- [47:06]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
And it wasn't murder, Wilson. It was what would you do? That's what it was.
- [47:08]
Guest/Co-host
Oh, oh, oh, okay.
- [47:09]
Keshia Knight Pulliam
It was dog pound.
- [47:10]
Guest/Co-host
Whatever it was, it was the complete opposite of what you just preached on.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
The show we were on who are you?
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
But he had to have that experience.
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Guest/Co-host
In order to get to where he.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Realized that today, this is who I am.
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Guest/Co-host
Okay, I'll take it.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
And the beauty of it is it's looking back. I love those kind of benchmarks because it is a testament to my growth and evolve.
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Guest/Co-host
Yes.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You know, it's able to look and be like, well, sure, yeah, okay.
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Guest/Co-host
No, no, absolutely.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Your energy maybe. And you may need a little pick me up. You know, the inner gangsta Keyshia needs to hear ti motivation real quick. And then I'm like, okay, I'm okay now.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
I'm good.
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Guest/Co-host
Right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Let's go.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah, no, understood. And you know, people can do that. I can think of.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Wait, wait, wait. What's your guilty pleasure?
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Guest/Co-host
Oh, oh. On the way to the airport here, I was doing the whole. Oh, it is, it is. It was Lil Cam and I can. She was doing the. The rap on I can love you. But if I told you once, I told you twice, you be told qb. Right. So. Yeah, yeah. That I've got the. I do have the.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
So it's okay. No judgment. No judgment. This is a judgment free. We have to give each other grace.
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Guest/Co-host
Exactly, exactly. But. But we also also know when to turn it on and turn it off. Do you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean?
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
It's always somewhere back here.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah, it's always. It's always somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
But no, but to your manifestation. I thought about something and I don't mean to switch the subjects, you know, that hard, but something else that works for me in a very Tangible way to explain it to someone is when there's something that I desire, I spend time going through that in my mind. Like, I will see it, I will smell. What does it smell like? What am I doing? What does the sun feel like on that day? What am I wearing? What are the conversations like? I will create a whole narrative of what that experience looks in every sense. All the. Include all my senses. So it feels real. Because a lot of people. And when you project it out versus the I am is one of the most powerful prayers in terms of manifestation. And I will literally see it. I'll write it down, and I will repeat that scenario, that story that. That all the pieces of it in my brain. Like, if I do that morning and night for whatever it is and feel it in every piece of my being, that is another way. But you also have to ensure that your energy is right as you. So it's my focuses are ensuring that I heighten my energy every day in every way. Because the more I heighten my energy, the easier it is for me to pull in the things that I desire. And when I identify something that I desire, that's a process that I use to really see it, feel it, hear it, taste it, experience it, and it pulls it into me that much faster.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
How does that. Your. Your father was a preacher?
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Guest/Co-host
No, I'm not a pk. My father. My father was an educator. And then he also sang. He was.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
But you have. You have a religious. Religious background? Am I making that up?
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Guest/Co-host
Well, I mean, I went to church. I went to. I. I was a. Well, you see, you can't say typical. But I was that black family that went to church. My fam. My parents came from the south. And, you know, there were folks, you know, that were all from the south at that church. We all learned. It's that same church, Baptist church. You go down here. It's the exact same program down here in Atlanta. Do you know what I'm saying? It's opening and where all the songs fit in and how long.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
It's Amazing Grace.
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Guest/Co-host
It's amazing. Yeah, it's all that and the same direction.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I don't like our old part of the song. Just. I don't sing. I'm sorry.
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Guest/Co-host
So, yeah, I went to church. Yeah, absolutely. In the church choir.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
So from that, like. So from that filter, like, what does Keisha like? What Keisha explained by manifestation, does it sound. Woo woo. Does it sound anti religious?
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Guest/Co-host
You know what? No, it doesn't sound anti religious as much as it sounds like I would translate it as having a plan. Right. So it's not exactly like that, but in terms of. All right, what am I going to do to have an order in order to make something happen at the other end? I think it's just expressed in a different way. I think most religions, when we look at the core value of them, they're kind of just expressed in a different way, but have the same meaning. Intentions and light. Go ahead.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
No, no, no, no. I didn't mean to cut you off.
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Guest/Co-host
So what you said was, I thought, okay, that's kind of how I see having a plan. That's kind of how I see making sure that everything has its place, has its order. Making sure that this person is not going to be interruptive. Making sure that. I missed.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
That's where you go wrong with the manifestation piece, because you are putting yourself in the driver's seat. The only way it works is if you put yourself in the passenger seat.
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Guest/Co-host
Wait, so, wait, go wrong where?
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Well, I'm just saying maybe wrong isn't the right word. But, like, when you frame it for me.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah, when it.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
When I. When you start to. To frame it in those. In that context, you have to ensure. How do you stay in the passenger seat and not the driver's seat? Because the moment you take that turn it. It lessens the magic because it's like, oh, you got it. Oh, you do it, then. You got it. If you don't need our help. If you don't need this help. So. And I don't know how to better explain it, but that's also. The piece is that you have to release it. Doesn't mean you don't take the steps. Doesn't mean you don't do the things. But it can't be about you making it happen.
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Guest/Co-host
I think I follow you. I'm just saying it's different.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Yeah, yeah.
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Guest/Co-host
I'm saying it's kind of like some. Some similarities, but it's definitely not the same. It's not the same. That's what I'm saying. Mine is more like, sounds like having a plan. Yours is different in that sense. Yeah.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
One is allowing the universe to do its thing, and the other is allowing God to do its thing.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Hey, God, the universe. I think what she's saying is, won't he do it?
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Won't he do it?
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Guest/Co-host
Won't he do it?
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Won't he do it? That's the religious part I hear. Won't God do it?
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
The first thing is, my grandfather was. Was a pastor. He passed away. So I understand that's the, you know, the very religious doctrine of it. I'm definitely spiritual. I, you know, of course I believe in, I believe in God and all that, but I'm spiritual because for me, religion brings the man made portion of it in.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Sure, sure.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Versus the esoteric versus the core.
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Guest/Co-host
I see what you're saying now, what it's about. That's why you're saying that me and my explanation was in the driver's seat, which is different than a manifestation that you're talking about. Talking about. I got you. Yeah, it's different. It is different.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah. I was curious.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
From a religious.
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Guest/Co-host
Right, right, right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
And I think also from a religious filter. A lot of times when people are like super religious, they don't recognize they put the power outside of themselves. The power only resides with God versus understanding that. You've also been given the tools, you've been given the light, you've been given, you know, to, to do so then. Because then it becomes, if something doesn't go right, oh, well, it just wasn't God's time.
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Guest/Co-host
Right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
You know, it's, it's almost like I, I, it puts the accountability, I feel less on this outside person. And yes, outside person is helping orchestrate stuff, but also there's a lot of accountability and power within yourself, if that makes sense.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Yeah. I love what. When Dr. Dre was on, my favorite quote of hers was, trust in God, but tie up your camel.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
There you go, that part.
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Guest/Co-host
There you go, that part. Oh, my gosh.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Like, one of my favorite stories. I actually had a speaking engagement at an Alabama A and M just, just yesterday. I just got back and I was telling the story and I was like, one of my favorites. So there's this guy, there's a flood. Right. And if you, if you've heard it, just act like you have it. Okay, so guy. And so the first person comes by in this truck and he's like, hey, get in the truck. There's a flood coming. Come on. You know this is going to flood. You got to get out of here. He's like, no, no, no, I'm good. I prayed about this. God is going to save me. So then the water continues to rise. Person comes by in a boat and he's like, get in the boat. Look, the water's only rising. Like, let's go. He's like, no, no, no, no. God is going to save me. I'm fine. You go ahead. Water continues to rise. Now he's standing on his roof. Someone comes by in a helicopter, throws down a Ladder is like, hey, come on. Water's rising. Everyone's evacuated. You need to come on. So he's like, no, no, no, no. God is going to save me. And so then he stays. He drowns. Of course the water continues to rise. He gets to heaven, he sees God. He says, God, why didn't you save me? And then God is like, I sent the truck, I sent the boat, I sent the helicopter. Like, what are you talking about? Because a lot of times people wait for God to save them, but God works through people.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. And if you ask for something, then when that something comes, be ready to receive it.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
That part.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah, be ready to receive it. What are you manifesting right now?
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
Ooh, so many things. However, another thing is because God answers all prayers, right?
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Guest/Co-host
Okay. Yes, he does.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
When it's something, I keep it close to my vest because when I'm manifesting something, everyone's perspective, opinions can slow down what it is that I desire here. So I'm manifesting all the time.
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Guest/Co-host
Yeah.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I'm manifesting, you know, this traffic free accident free smooth ride home that we're gonna have. I am manifesting an amazing afternoon with my family and. And tumbling club and. Because that's what I was gonna say. How my daughter signed me up to start a drama club at her.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
Oh, that's what it was. That's right.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
That was what I was gonna say. Before that.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
I forgot.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
That was the whole purpose of the story.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
We got her daughter school, and that's when she found out that her daughter had signed her up to lead.
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Guest/Co-host
Oh, to lead the drama club.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
The drama club at the school.
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Guest/Co-host
You didn't manifest that.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
No, no, no, no. But you know what I mean.
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Guest/Co-host
I know I'm being funny.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
No, no, no. This is what I did manifest because I'm good. Like I said, I'm going to see the beauty in all things.
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Guest/Co-host
Sure.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I manifested having an amazing relationship with my children.
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Guest/Co-host
Amen.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
And I manifested always being present for them. So that yesterday, even though I had a speaking engagement in Alabama, I got on the first flight, got there, drove to the thing, did my thing, got on the first plane, and was back by dinner. So I also manifested being able to work and thrive and do the things that I love, but also be super present for my family, whether it's her horse show, whether it's, you know, a family dinner, whatever that is. So that's the part.
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Guest/Co-host
There you go.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
When work gets crazy, I like to stop by the bar after, have a few cold ones.
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Malcolm-Jamal Warner
I don't drink at all until 4 o'. Clock.
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Keshia Knight Pulliam
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