HE PROPOSED TO HER WITH WHAT!?!? + MY FRIEND STINKS!

Summary

NOT LOVELINE – EPISODE SUMMARY
“HE PROPOSED TO HER WITH WHAT!?!? + MY FRIEND STINKS!”
Hosts: Tana Mongeau & Trisha Paytas
Date: February 23, 2026

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Episode Overview

This week’s Not Loveline is peak Tana and Trisha: oversharing, real talk about self-image and relationships, and their signature blend of empathy, chaos, and humor. The episode focuses on listener call-ins covering everything from engagement ring dilemmas, confronting a “stinky” friend, anxieties over body count, breaking free from perfection in beauty routines, and the uncertainty of being 18. The hosts punctuate the show with personal anecdotes about their own growth, advice-giving fails, and the freedom in rewriting old narratives.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Trauma Dumping & Social Media Realness [00:21–03:19]

• Both hosts note they “trauma dumped” before recording, and find it cathartic.
• "We're both going through some." – Tana [00:46]
• The illusion that internet personalities have it all together is called out.
• Advice: Focus on small joys each day, like a favorite treat or a hairstyle, as a survival tactic during tough times. [01:18–01:56]
  • “It is about finding joy in moments so small … sometimes that might be the only win of your day.” – Tana [01:18]

2. Finding Escape and Joy: Cosplay, Travel, and Dorky Comfort [02:28–04:54]

• Trisha describes joy in cosplay and her Wuthering Heights shoot.
• Both hosts are speaking at colleges (!), marveling at their “full-circle moments.”
• Trisha is excited about wearing Louboutins and discusses the new, supposedly comfortable styles—leading to a tangent about the horrors of painful shoes.
• “A comfortable Louboutin is like saying a comfortable guillotine.” – Tana [04:20]

3. College Advice & The Value of Education [09:15–12:05]

• Both marvel at being invited to speak at universities and reflect on what advice they’d give to college students.
• Trisha credits college for discipline; Tana highlights life skills learned through social challenges like roommates.
• “The discipline it takes to get a degree … shows you your work ethic even if you never use it.” – Trisha [10:17]
• Trisha and Tana laugh about feeling imposter syndrome at their speaking gigs.
• Both reflect on confronting negative associations with certain places (Trisha: New Orleans, Trisha/Florida), and advocate for “rewriting” your story.

4. Growth, Redemption, & Purpose [14:16–15:49]

• Trisha shares she once doubted her life’s purpose, but realized–through fan messages–she was helping people even then.
• “Who says there’s no purpose? Maybe I did have a purpose that I just couldn’t see.” – Trisha [14:30]
• Tana expands: dark periods can become meaningful chapters in your story.
  • “Sometimes those dark times make the best redemption stories.” – Trisha [15:07]

5. Boundaries, Oversharing & Maturity in the Social Media Age [17:01–19:03]

• Both reflect on learning (the hard way) to set boundaries with what they share about other people, especially significant others.
• “Maturing is realizing you don’t have to air out every grievance.” – Tana [17:19]
• They share regrets about hurting others by oversharing on past podcasts, and now save more for Patreon.
• “If someone else had a big platform, they could be talking about how off your face you were last night…” – Tana [19:06]

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CALL-IN ADVICE SEGMENTS

[22:54] CALL #1: He Wants to Propose With His Grandma’s Ring – I Want My Own

Listener Situation:
Her boyfriend wants to propose with his grandmother’s ring; she wants a ring of her own design and doesn’t know how to express this.

Hosts’ Take:

• Both emphasize it’s okay to want your own ring. Sentiment is important, but so is your dream.
• Suggest compromise: keep the grandma ring (wear it on another finger, make it a necklace, combine the stone with a new setting, etc.).
• Trisha retells her own “dream ring” story—her husband remembered her favorite style from a reality show and surprised her by tracking it down:
  • “I really like to be loved is to be remembered … that something you flashed your phone two times was, like, perfectly made for you.” – Tana [26:19]
• Tana: Don’t let guilt or tradition overrule your desires.
• “Those rules were made when, like, we had no rights. You can do whatever you want." – Tana [29:38]
• Consensus: With the right person, it should be a happy, collaborative process. Don’t beat yourself up for wanting what you want – love isn’t about sacrifice at every turn.

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[31:28] CALL #2: My Friend Stinks! How to Handle a Stinky BFF

Listener Situation:
How to tell a friend she has body odor (after already hinting: “maybe you smell a little off”).

Hosts’ Take:

• Both admit they typically just deal with it, but explore options:
  • Offer deodorant, perfume, etc. in private, one-on-one.
  • If products don’t phase her, a private, gentle conversation is recommended (“I would just want to help you…”)
  • Normalize human “stink”: sometimes people can't smell themselves or use the wrong products.
  • “I love them for their stink!” – Tana [32:39]
• Tana shares: some friends can banter about it, but only if your relationship allows playful honesty.
• Advice: use friend recommendations (favorite deodorant, scent, etc.) and make it about sharing, not shaming.
• “Hot girls stink. Sometimes we stink! Like, it happens.” – Tana [37:41]
• Both encourage compassion — frame it as a universal, manageable thing.

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[38:15] CALL #3: Body Count Insecurity

Listener Situation:
Caller feels some shame about her “rising” body count post-breakup, even though she knows she shouldn’t.

Hosts’ Take:

• Tana: “It does not matter. It is imaginary—a societal thing to deem people lesser … If someone asks, just say something.”
• Both note they never tally or worry about body count in their own relationships.
  • “Who counts? If someone was like, ‘What’s your body count?’ Like, what loser counts?” – Trisha [44:43]
• Red flag: If a man is obsessed with your number, that says more about him than you.
• Both caution against using sex as self-harm, but assert the count itself is meaningless.
  • “If it takes three more on that list to find the person who’s gonna be there for you … who gives a if it took 50?” – Tana [46:59]
• The hosts debunk gender double standards (men praised for more partners).
  • Trisha joking: “Sometimes a higher number is kind of a flex. Look at all these people that wanted to bang me.”
• Consensus: Don't let social norms prevent you from living authentically—and don't let your “statistic” define your worth.

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[49:57] CALL #4: Breaking the Bleach-and-Tone/ Extensions Addiction

Listener Situation:
How do I break the “addiction” to being platinum blonde, extensions, etc., and feel confident naturally?

Hosts’ Take:

• Both hosts empathize deeply; share their “recovery” stories from platinum + extensions.
• Trisha: “You kind of have to hit the rock bottom of hair.”
• Tana admits her in-between phase (“The fantasy I thought I was giving for so long was not in the room with us.” [55:56])
• “The time you save, the money you save, is like, oh my god, I can live my life without coming to the salon every two weeks.” – Trisha [55:31]
• Beauty standards change—what’s “hot” now isn’t always what you think.
• Their verdict: Transition will be rough (“a few months in the trenches”) and you may mourn your old self, but there is joy on the other side—freedom, new routines, and natural beauty. Try new things. If you hate it, you can always go back!
• Do it “for fun” rather than compulsion or belief it’s your sole source of beauty.
• “Both are true. We’re working on loving our natural hair, but we’re excited for the Abby Young method!” – Trisha [66:11]

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[66:31] CALL #5: Advice for 18 Year Old Starting Out

Listener Situation:
Caller feels anxious about “setting up” their future and wants advice if given a chance to “start over.”

Hosts’ Take:

• Laugh about having “50 do-overs between 18 and 21.”
• Tana: “You are supposed to not have everything figured out at 18 years old … You just now legally are allowed to figure things out.”
• “All you’re supposed to be doing right now is making mistakes and having fun.” – Tana [67:02]
• Trisha: Don’t stress about love, money, or planning too far ahead; focus on yourself and being young.
• Comparison is toxic—everyone’s faking it, or changing plans year to year.
  • “Even the ones pretending to thrive may have a whole crisis at 20, 22, 23… Nothing is set in stone.” – Tana [71:23]
• Both champion “falling on your face” and embracing mistakes as a natural, healthy part of young adulthood.
• “Making mistakes is so camp before your frontal lobe … it’s literally what you’re supposed to do.” – Tana [70:22]
• “You got this. Go, go diva!” – Tana [72:43]

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• “Those rules were made when, like, we had no rights. You can do whatever you want.” – Tana [29:38]
• “A comfortable Louboutin is like saying a comfortable guillotine.” – Tana [04:20]
• “Hot girls stink. Sometimes we stink! Like, it happens.” – Tana [37:41]
• “Who counts [body count]? If someone was like, ‘What’s your body count?’ Like, what loser counts?” – Trisha [44:43]
• “The fantasy I thought I was giving for so long was not in the room with us.” – Tana [55:56]
• “Making mistakes is so camp before your frontal lobe … it's literally what you’re supposed to do.” – Tana [70:22]
• “All you’re supposed to be doing right now is making mistakes and having fun.” – Tana [67:02]
• “Sometimes those dark times make the best redemption stories, you know?” – Trisha [15:07]

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• [00:21]“We just trauma dumped…” – Opening Realness
• [09:15] College Advice for Listeners
• [14:16] Finding Purpose Through Adversity
• [17:01] Maturing Out of Oversharing
• [22:54] CALL #1: Grandma’s Engagement Ring Dilemma
• [31:28] CALL #2: Confronting a Stinky Friend
• [38:15] CALL #3: Body Count Insecurities
• [49:57] CALL #4: Breaking Free from Hair/Beauty Cycle
• [66:31] CALL #5: Advice for an 18-Year-Old Starting Out

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CONCLUSION

This episode embodies Not Loveline’s signature ethos: advice from life, not textbooks; humor as therapy; and refusing to be ashamed of “stupid” questions (because, as Tana and Trisha prove, they’re rarely actually stupid). Whether you’re struggling with self-acceptance, friendships, sex, beauty standards, or the pressure of “growing up,” this episode offers practical comfort and the welcome reminder that everyone is just figuring it out—sometimes out loud, sometimes with the bathroom door open.

Transcript

[A]

Those rules were made when, like, we had no right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, God forbid we want to do things different.

[B]

We were sold for a cow and, like, where's the dowry? Yes.

[A]

Literally, the rules of marriage and engagement were at the same time that we could have also been sold for a cow. Like, you can do whatever you want.

[B]

Hi. Hello.

[A]

We just trauma dumped on each other in a way. It was so healing, though.

[B]

It was so healing. You gave me, like, all your realness right now. Just everything raw that you were going through. And I was like, this is a lot for you to deal with. And I was like, just so you know, because I feel like you look at me sometimes as thinking, like, it's just like, you know, I have it all together and fine. I'm like, well, let me tell you my trauma, too. Like, and that's it. Mine's and ours, not trauma.

[A]

We're both going through some.

[B]

Yeah. But I think that's, like, real for everyone to know on social media is like, yeah, my life is together and, like, my life is the hap. We were saying we're, like, the best in the best positions we've ever been in. And, like, so happy.

[A]

Still happens.

[B]

But still happens. And it's just like. Yeah. And it's really all you can do. We were talking about let them in the last episode, but it's, like, really all you can do is just kind of focus on you. Like, I don't know, people will come, people will go and just, like, focus on you and.

[A]

And focus on the good.

[B]

Yeah. And it always works itself out. Everything works itself out. It does or it doesn't, or everything's fine. Like, you know, it's just. Yeah.

[A]

But 100%, like, a little exchange and, like, it. It really is about. I think when you're going through it, it is about finding joy in moments so small. You know what I mean? Like, I know that when I leave here tonight, I'm gonna have to go back to dealing with a lot of the things that I'm dealing with right now. Right. And they're not good. And I'm gonna feel not good emotions, but, like, I might have a good soda with you and a good giggle for, like, an hour today. And that's the thing that I'm focusing on today. And I hope everyone, like, harbors that in their real life. Even if it's something as stupid as, like, just a sweet treat that you like or, like, literally a phone game that you like to play or, like, just, like, you do your hair in a hairstyle that you like, sometimes that might be the only win of your day. Like, emotionally.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But just, like, try to focus on that.

[B]

So important. I was just gonna say that too. I have, like, really good energy today. I was, like, telling us. I have, like, such good energy. And it's not the four matchas that I had, although maybe it was. I do love a matcha finishing it.

[A]

4 matchas. I would be shaking God's hand like Morgan Freeman, but I love it.

[B]

Tana and the glam room. We were in there to change, and I was just like, here's all four matchas. I had like, La La Land, Starbucks, like, good coming to goods. I was like, having all of them.

[A]

She gave me, like, a matcha haul.

[B]

A matcha haul. But after drink, I drink, like, half of them. And I'm like, I'm good. And I'm like, let me get another one. And literally when Tana and Debbie came, like, do you just want matcha? It's like five o' clock at night. I was like, let me just chill.

[A]

Like, I'm.

[B]

But I was in good mood for that. But I was also in a very good mood. I love a full cosplay day. It's like my favorite thing in the world.

[A]

You guys did Wuthering Heights today?

[B]

We did Wuthering Heights and it took, like, weeks for this to come through, so I had to get, like, the costume. And we did three different costumes, and then we did the sets. You know, I love Drip Dome and Drip Dome was here and they were. And they're gonna do ours. I'm super excited. But I just love a day like that. And it started out this morning. We started at like, 6:30 this morning shooting with Drip Dome because we had just Trish and then we had to

[A]

do patreon 6pm and you're in this mood. You're the woman. You are.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. But where you were saying is, like, finding, like, something that makes you happy or brings you to. If it's a phone game. I love cosplay. And I think we're kind of talking about that either off camera or not. Just, like, escaping into, like, a different world. And yeah, that's cosplay for, like, that moment. I don't even know Wuthering Heights about. But I'm like, in this world, like, you know, I love it. I love it. And it was, yeah, finding that happiness. Like we were saying, tomorrow. I was saying, tomorrow, go to New Mexico. And I'm like, I've never been to Albuquerque. And I Looked it up and there's not much going on in Albuquerque, but I'm really excited about it. I'm like, romanticizing my Southwest trip to Albuquerque, and I'm like, I think it's gonna be really fun. So I was just thinking, like, all this stuff. I'm speaking at a college, which. Book me for speaking.

[A]

I don't know. Yeah, Yeah, I can talk about it. Okay. You're.

[B]

And then you're like, Trisha and I,

[A]

like, are always operating on such a, like, same parallel. Like, we both just got booked to speak at colleges, which tell us, like, tell us in any timeline that, like, that would be happening.

[B]

We're speaking at colleges.

[A]

University.

[B]

First of all, I spent community college. I went to community college, and I love community college. University.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was like, oh, my God. And these, like, they're gonna ask me questions for my expertise. I'm so excited. I'm gonna get the merch. You know, I love merch. I'm like, do they have a University of New Mexico shirt? Yeah, just have a full collection. I. I'm really on my college speaking. I'm just. I got. I got these new Louboutons that are actually very comfortable.

[A]

They're like, business looking.

[B]

Have you seen them? They're kind of like.

[A]

It's a heel.

[B]

Yeah. They're kind of like, not cute, but they're like, business.

[A]

No, I need to see them. Okay.

[B]

Okay. They're literally.

[A]

Literally, go. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so sorry. Because a comfortable Louboutin is like saying like a comfortable guillotine. That was a horrible thing I just said out loud.

[B]

You're like, again, not that cute, but no business. They're giving.

[A]

They are cute. They are cute.

[B]

I just tried them on today when I was doing my phone.

[A]

Oh, my God. No, I want these in black.

[B]

They're like a new style. Okay. Tick Tock convinced me. Because they're like, this is the most comfortable shoe you ever wear. And they're pretty. I have a wide set foot, and they're pretty wide because Louboutins are known to be very narrow, obviously, and uncomfortable. I just wore them for my photo shoot, but they were comfortable.

[A]

So I bring flats, like, the height of the heel. Because I'm always on a tangent, like, because I always see the girls on Tick Tock where they do the little trend and it's like, ding. And then they show their red bottom and like, I haven't seen that one.

[B]

Maybe I'll do that.

[A]

I'll send it to you because you need to do it But I'm like, I love the aesthetic, but I will not ever buy a pair again in my life because it's foot murder. Well, this one, and I've been wanting a pair.

[B]

Well, let me show you the other one real quick. It's right here.

[A]

Not the Louboutin haul. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. She's college speaking in her red bottoms. That is motivational within itself. You know, these are in black because

[B]

I didn't know how I was gonna do a black.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

This is for my college speaking engagement that I just spent everything on Louboutins. I'm like, I need Louboutins to look smart, me.

[A]

Okay. Why does that make sense in my head, though? And I know that, like, it makes sense in my head.

[B]

It feels like success.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I don't know. Okay, this is the other one that looks like a so cape, but it's not. It's like their new one that's comfy.

[A]

And, yeah, the heels, like, this is what gets me going. Okay. Because this is where you still remember joy.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

This.

[A]

This height of heel is where you still, like, literally remember good memories you've had. Like, you crave yummy food. Like, you have a good day. Like, it's not just like, my foot, my foot, my foot, my foot.

[B]

Right, right. It's giving, like, classy. It's definitely not giving, like the daffodils back in the day.

[A]

What's the name of this style? Oh, the Ms. Z's. Oh, I didn't know they made a lower Ms. Z.

[B]

Because, you know, the style Ms. Z.

[A]

Ms. Z is, like, for Zendaya. Like, they made the Ms. Z because of Zendaya.

[B]

Oh. So it's like, she always wears the so Kate. So maybe they did, like, a V version.

[A]

Yeah, they did a so Kate Ms. Z, where it's, like, similar, but it's the. Was the first Louboutin ever to have padding. And mind you, I can't long divide historian, but I know to have padding in, like, the ball of the foot is the missy. So I wonder if this one also has padding.

[B]

And they said it was really comfortable. I was like, down this rabbit hole of TikTok. First of all, I love that you just. You Elwoods, you're just like, I know all this information about the history of a museum, but again, like, I can't

[A]

long divide, and it's just, like, you know, just the wrong thing.

[B]

This is giving definitely more corporate, but I'm excited to feel Corporate tomorrow on that stage. And just.

[A]

That is everything. What is that? What is the whole outfit? Is it like a little pinstripey or like a little.

[B]

It's a. Well, it's not pinstripe. It's like. It's not tweed, but it's like a thick kind of like a tweed almost. Yeah. It's not like the sad.

[A]

Like a dress.

[B]

It's a dress and it's got these like, gold buttons. It's giving now, but like my size.

[A]

Okay. But I'm living.

[B]

Yeah, it's cute.

[A]

That's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're speaking out of college.

[B]

I mean, I have Louboutins, but it is. No, it's a fashion nova dress.

[A]

Yes, but. No, but that's. We love the juxtaposition. And a Louboutin that's worth the money is something to talk about. Because I'm always like de influencing usually saying, like, it's not comfortable. Oh, they're.

[B]

Yeah. The old ones are not. But everyone on TikTok was telling me about these.

[A]

You're supposed to get the. I don't know, I. I've seen people do it with clear nail polish, but like, to like. You're supposed to cover the red. Oh. So that it doesn't come off. Because it comes off really fast.

[B]

Oh. See, I wouldn't even know. I never even walked in them.

[A]

Like, you should. You should get something. Make something happen where they. They coat the red so that your red stays. That's another reason why I go on a whole tangent because. What do you mean the red comes off?

[B]

Yeah, you just like paint it right.

[A]

It's a red bottom. That's the whole stick.

[B]

Are they still cool? I don't even know. I'm always.

[A]

No, they are. And like, people are really back into them and I just. I have not fold that because I won't touch me. Like, get these. No, but if they're comfortable. That's the thing. That's. That's the only reason that I've ever not liked them because they're the most painful shoe money can buy.

[B]

I just literally typed in comfortable here on Tick Tock. And I swear, this. This one right here, I. I should look up the name of that one.

[A]

I'm so excited to go try on a pair in my big 40 and 2 size.

[B]

Mine. Do I got big. I think now I'm like 39 or something. Yeah.

[A]

I just bought a pair of boots. They were a 42. I said I might as well be buying men's shoes. 42.

[B]

Our new podcast Bigfoot.

[A]

Yes, Bigfoot Baddies. Come on.

[B]

Hey, at least. You know what, you probably always have it in stock, you know, like, I do.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It was.

[A]

There was chrome hearts boots, and they only had a 42. And I was like, I love being big mama drama foot. I'm here for the big foot, girlies.

[B]

That's what I love with skims, too. Like, that's the problem when I try to order, like, the ones I was wearing last week. I was trying to order in year for medium, but medium sell out so quick. Large sell out so quick. But a 2x will always be available. So I was like, perfect.

[A]

That is, like, the biggest whenever. Really.

[B]

It is. It's incredibly exciting. So I was excited. So, yeah, if you see us at a university wearing our.

[A]

So tell me, like, like, okay, if you could give any advice to someone in college right now, like, what would you give them?

[B]

You know, that's.

[A]

It's so hard because it's like, at least for me, like, I didn't go to college. I don't know.

[B]

Well, that's what I would say. I'm like, you're already. You're already winning half the battle. You're at college. Like, I wish. Like, I do think as much as, like, I didn't go to college, I do think it gives you a leg up somehow, right? You get some sort of direction. You have a higher education. People will always hold a higher education at value no matter what you do. Even influencing. Like, people are like, asking if you have a degree. Yes, you don't need a degree necessarily. Influence. But it probably can't hurt if you have a degree in marketing or a degree in psychology, you know, like, all of that stuff. Like, there's, you know, and you learn

[A]

so much about, like, so like the social aspect, you know what I mean? Dealing with human beings that you might not, like, like, the roommate situation of it all in college. Like, that's so many lessons. Like, you're kind of leaving your whole own life to create a whole new one. Like, that feeling of being, like, alone in this new world, you know, that

[B]

was the scariest part. I, like, went to three weeks of, like, community college. I was like, this is scary. I don't know anybody. I'm leaving. So, yeah, doing that is very bold and brave. I think just the discipline it takes to be in college, especially, like, a university, obviously, like, shout out to the associates, too. Couldn't get mine. But I was like, I really do feel like the discipline it takes to get a degree, like, shows you your Work ethic and everything, even if you never end up using your degree. So I think it's wonderful. I'm assuming I'm going to speak to a social media class. I know they have those and the questions I got.

[A]

They do. I didn't know.

[B]

I think. I hope so.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

Some of the questions I was like, obviously they can ask any questions, but, like, there was, like, some preemptive ones and there was very social media related.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was like, oh, I love this. I hope so. I feel like I'm a little bit of an expert in that one because I've been doing it for like, 20 years.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But if it. Wouldn't it be crazy, though, if it was like some economics class, which I could.

[A]

That honestly, I'd be asking them questions. I'd be like, what? Help me? Like, you're just on stage asking them

[B]

to help you, which I love asking people questions like college kids. Even when I used to do cameos and big other graduating from law school, I'm like, how did you do that? How did you do that? You're way ahead. You already went in life. Like, that's it.

[A]

That came out.

[B]

Like, you're amazing. Literally.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Are you excited? I love. I'm excited.

[A]

I'm also just. I love whenever this happens where it's like, you're going to go do it and tell me how it is and then I get to go do it. So I'm like, definitely mine's in New Orleans. Which I also think is really funny because I have, like, very, very much vocalized that I've only ever had, like, terrible, terrible times there. Crazy with New Orleans. I know that there's bayous and beignets and all the good things. I've just. I've never had a good experience. Something bad has always happened to me there. So I'm really excited to, like, rewrite that.

[B]

And something good's gonna be happening. Even speaking it's gonna be great. And I feel like something good will happen.

[A]

And I think it's poetic, if anything, because that's like, what I'm going on stage to do, I guess, is share how my trials and tribulations have gotten me here. And I've had a lot of trials and tribulations there. And now I'm going to do something good there. So I'm excited to, like, rewrite it.

[B]

I think that's, like, so weird. And that's another thing we were so parallel on because I was like, you know me, I, like, hate Florida, but I was Like, I'm doing two Florida shows this year, and it's, like, really getting over that. Because, like, realistically, do you hate Florida? Like, Like, I'm like, florida's curse. Is it like. No, fine. Me just being so negative about a state for, like, two bad incidences that I had. And there's.

[A]

There's bad and there's good everywhere, you know?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I think you. We were, like. We were saying is, like, looking for the positive. It's like, oh, man. I didn't like my experience in New Orleans, but you just said, beignets are great.

[A]

Yeah, I'm rewriting it.

[B]

Magic down there, which I like. I love magic. Magic.

[A]

Yeah. And I, like, also was in the wrong places of New Orleans. Like, I was getting roofied by strippers. And, like, it's like, you're in a strip club. And. Not that those are bad, but I'm saying, like, you know, you got roofied by a stripper. Like, that is the consequences of your own actions. I was drinking Audio Smothers. That's the name of a drink.

[B]

It's like, okay, like, that sounds scary.

[A]

Yes, it is. It's. It's like every alcohol in one, and it's blue as. It just like. It's the worst. Nothing good ever comes from that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And even the. My last show was a canceled show there, and everyone was just so. And we weren't. We were drunk. We were like, get drunk. You know what I mean? And then people did drunk and disorderly crazy. It's like, obviously they did. You encouraged that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, you know, so I'm excited to go there with this mindset and Albuquerque, New Mexico. I feel like you're gonna come back with, like, the best hidden gem from there or something.

[B]

I'm excited. Yeah. Instagram story. I'm like, what's in Albuquerque? Yes. I'm. I'm going with optimism. When I used to listen to Krystalia, he always talked badly about Albuquerque. He shot a movie down there, and I think he got replaced by somebody. I don't know. Anyways, he did a movie down there. He's like, I hate Albuquerque. And everyone was pissed at him for it. That's all I know about it. I do not listen to Crystalia anymore. I was a pick me back in the day, and I thought he was funny, but I just remember him being like, I hate Albuquerque. And so in my head, I'm like, I don't know what's in Albuquerque, but I have optimism. I'm like, I think this is gonna Be a slay. I love when there's a flight from Burbank Airport, too. It's like, yes, you just, like, walk on. I don't have a. I don't have checked baggage. I'm just gonna carry my dress on.

[A]

Yes. And honestly, that is just, like, one of the fun things of our job. Like, that's so cool that, like, this job has created this thing for you where you get to go, like, speak life into young people. Like, that's so fun.

[B]

I feel like it's purpose. Like, yeah. I feel like I never had purpose in life before, obviously, my kids. And now I'm like. Which, I mean, I did. Looking back, I'm like, you know what? I was. I was helping, like, young girls out there. Like, when they'd be like, I couldn't eat, so I watched your mukbangs. I'm like, no, I did have purpose. I just couldn't see it. Yeah. But, yeah.

[A]

Oh, that was beautiful. That was, like, really profound. Because that's so true. Like, whoa. I've never, like, thought about that. All the times in my life where I've just now deemed that I had no purpose. But maybe I did have a purpose that I just couldn't.

[B]

You see so much purpose. You had so much purpose. All the people and all the stuff that you've shown has. And now where you're at now, it's so true too.

[A]

Like, even just if you're going through something bad, it might be a part of a greater story that then will have purpose. Because I think in so many bad times in my life where I'm, like, addicted to drugs or I'm super depressed or I'm, like, dating all these toxic men as self harm, I would look back and deem as this purposeless time, but it's like, I wouldn't be here without it. You know what I mean?

[B]

Sometimes those, like, dark times make the best, like, redemption stories, you know? Yes.

[A]

And that's. That's a good way to, like, approach life. If you're in a dark time being like, you know what? This is a part of my. My lore and my story, and I need this to have the character, because when you see someone else's story, you know, and they went through some. They had such a dark time, and they come out, you see it as a whole, and it makes so much sense to you. But, like, when it's. When you're in that dark time, it's like, oh, I'm gonna be in this.

[B]

Yeah. Like, this is how I just die. There's no, like, coming up for me.

[A]

Literally, this is how I'm going to die.

[B]

That was me all the time. It's like rock bottom one and then rock bottom two, and then by, like, rock bottom three, I was like, I'm done with the rock bottoms. Like, I've done enough. Give me a happy ending.

[A]

I never related to that more. I was definitely collecting rock bottoms, like, Infinity Stones for a second there, but now it's like, thank God for all of them.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. I've just seen. This is so knobbed up. And we are getting to questions because we said we are answering questions. That's what we're gonna do. Have you seen on Netflix, do you know the show? You probably haven't. It's very, like, it's popular, but kind of niche is nobody wants this with Adam Brody. Have you watched it in Kristen Bell?

[A]

No, but I've been meaning to for as long as it, like, came out.

[B]

It's like, I don't know if it's good because, like, it's about, like, a Jewish and a non Jewish girl. Like, he's like, a rabbi. And then she's like, Kristen Bell's like a podcast.

[A]

Got me yawning like, sorry, continue.

[B]

I'm just tired. I don't know if it's like, it's got season two, so I guess people like it. It's very niche, in my opinion, because it's so many, like, Judaism references. And then she's like, I don't know what any of. And, like, it's giving, like, me and Moses for sure. But she's like a sex podcaster and he's like a rabbi, and she does a podcast with her sister.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's the vibes I'm getting. The sister's so funny. I don't know who she is, but I just. I love it. It makes me want to, like, podcast.

[A]

Wait, we are that.

[B]

Yeah. And then. But she's like, can't podcast about the rabbi in season two. He's like, just don't podcast about. Cause she said something. I was cute that he had little, like, glass something. And he's like, gosh, don't say anything personal about me on the podcast. And then he comes on the podcast, tries to give advice.

[A]

Moses and Mako at us.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Very that. And I think Moses has given up. I think he's very much just like, like, all right, you're just gonna say what you say.

[A]

We do hold off on, like, a lot of the intimate stuff to Patreon, though, which is Good. Like, I was just gonna say, our

[B]

Patreon is like, we share everything. Have you seen.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And we're like, we'll give you an update next week if what's happened.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Literally, patreon.com. not love, but I used to do

[A]

everything on the mainframe, so I'm happy that we have the page.

[B]

You know what I mean, too. And also, like, growing maturing is like, realizing you have to air out every grievance you have with your significant other

[A]

or just every grievance in general. I really, a Paige, and I like, laugh about this or all the time, but it's like, I really was going through life airing out every little thing that happened to me on Canceled. And then I was being like, I just have no idea. These people are mad at me. And it's like. Because you, like, aired out their business on the Internet. Like, that's why. Yeah. And like, every guy I would date, every party I would go to, people like, well, I just don't want this to end up on the podcast. And I'd be in a constant state of, like, I'd be offended. I'd be like, why do you think this is going to end up on the. And it's like, because it is. Because it literally is like, they were so valid in asking that. It's so crazy.

[B]

Yeah, that is. That. That's maturing. Is realizing, like, oh. Yep. They had some. They had some credit to why they were saying that. Yeah.

[A]

No, literally, I was about to tell you a whole story of someone I just had to, like, make up with because I said too much stuff about them on the podcast. But I'm not going to. And we're gonna take calls because they don't want me to keep talking. Like, well, that's good.

[B]

You don't have to talk.

[A]

You don't have to say specific. Yeah, I aired out someone's business on Canceled, and I.

[B]

You found closure.

[A]

I felt right in doing it at the time. And I still battle with, like, you know, maybe they were. They needed it, whatever.

[B]

But the forgiveness. No, literally, maybe it wasn't that bad. It really.

[A]

Like, it wasn't that bad, but it was one of those things where it's like, I. I said too much to. Where people found out who they are. And looking back, it was like, I didn't need to do that. You know what I mean? And I was just like, I think that is.

[B]

That's. That's such a good point. Like, it does feel right or okay. But even if it is right or okay, Even if they're like the worst person ever, Sometimes it's like it just can be off.

[A]

Yes, exactly. Like I wanted to be the God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With the chess pieces calling all the people out. And it's like you don't have your figured out either. You. You're making lapses in judgment every day. And if someone else had a big platform, they could be talking about how faced you were last night on Coke, saying awful things like, you know. Yeah. The humbling of it all.

[B]

That's me too. Whenever I think of like a hot topic and I want to, people are going off. I'm like, well, you know, I probably would have done that. I probably did do that in my 20s.

[A]

I probably did do that is the realest ever heard.

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I'm kidding. I would go to Trader Joe's, actually and probably get all of the new, like, Valentine's Day snacks. You know, they're good.

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[A]

Okay, we're back. We're back. We're back. We were trauma dumping again.

[B]

Hi.

[C]

Hi. Trish and Tana. I love you guys so much. So me and my boyfriend of a few years now are talking about engagement and he told me that he wants to give me his grandma's wedding ring and I think that's Sweet. But I kind of want my own ring. Like, my own ring with the shape and cut and size and everything I want. And I don't know how to tell him I don't want his grandma's ring. What would you guys say?

[A]

Wow. I actually, this is so funny because on the super bowl, one of my girlfriends was over, and she was literally had this exact same problem. Wow. Like, she was like, he proposed to me with his grandma's ring. And, like, I want my own ring. I swear to God. Like, the ex. I was just giving someone advice with, like, 48 hours ago. What was the advice? It. It's hard because it's like someone is giving you this sentimental thing that holds all of their family value and whatever, but, like, you also deserve everything that you want, too. Honestly, I. I was more so just listening to her and try just kind of being like, girl, get what you want. Like, that was. I was kind of just, you know, I'd smoke. That was all I had to give.

[B]

Like, get what you want, girl.

[A]

Yes, yes. But, like, actually thinking about this at length. Why can't we just have two rings? Like, why? Yeah, it's so weird. I always, like, think about this with weddings and engagements and everything that everyone follows these, like, insane. Like, why can't you wear grandma's on your right and get yours on your left? And everyone's happy.

[B]

Like, yeah, you really sell me on all the rings on your fingers and stuff. I love that you got ten fingers. Like, you know, it's so real, actually. Yeah. Because that is cute. Like, someone giving you their grandma's ring is super cute. Obviously, I'm on the side of all the girls being, I want my own. I have my own dreams and hopes in my style.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But there is something so sweet, like, you watch your grandma's ring and you're giving it to me. Yeah. Like, I love that idea. Like, put it on another finger.

[A]

Grandma's ring could be a necklace. Like, you know what I mean? Or, like, just. There are so many solutions, and, like, I totally understand where you're coming from. I think that sometimes we beat ourselves up for being like. Because I, like, I. I could so see my me being in a situation like this, and then I'm like, am I being materialistic? Am I being, like, you could start to beat yourself up. But, like. Like, if you have this, like, dream wedding dress or dream wedding venue or dream engagement ring or dream whatever, we all hope that we have the partner who wants to, like, provide that for us. Right? And we all, like, hope that we get that because it's like sometimes you have those dreams since you're a little kid and especially a ring.

[B]

I mean, some girls do, some girls don't. You have a dream ring as a kid or not really? No, I had a dream ring. I talked about it so many times, and I will like to stop talking about it, but, like, yeah, I remember being, like, 13 years old watching, like, Surreal Life, and it was Tracy Bingham, married to a billionaire. She was engaged to a billionaire. She had this, like, rock. This marquis rock with the baguette diamonds on it. And this was like 2001 or something. I was like, that's the ring in my whole life. That's like, I need that ring. I need that ring. And literally, when Moses, like, I showed it to him maybe twice, because I was showing. You know, I'll show everyone a day. I'm like, this is the ring I want, you know, and the fact that he, like, went and got it because it's an old ring. It's like from 2001, and he, like, got the exact with the baguettes on the side, the same amount of cares.

[A]

I never knew this. Yes.

[B]

Oh, my God. When I saw it. Because he went to the Proposal, first of all, I never thought I'd be poster in my life. So that alone. I was like, holy shit. Yes. When I saw the ring. And like, maybe it sounds materialistic, whatever, because I was excited once again. I was like, oh, my God, it's happening. I was so excited when I saw the ring. I was like, what do you mean? You remembered exactly the exact.

[A]

But that's what it is. It's not materialistic because it's not the ring. It's. I really like to be loved is to be like, remember, like, remembering things is such a love language. And like, to be seen to be seen in that way. Like that something that you flashed your phone two times was, like, perfectly made for you. And every girl, like, deserves that to be seen, seen and to be like. You know what I mean?

[B]

Because I asked him, like, how would you remember? Like, it wasn't even. Like, I never sent it to him or anything like that. He's like, oh, I remember the. The. I told him he was on Baywatch. So he, like, googled the people from Baywatch. Like, I found Tracy Bigham found the ring because he's like, billionaire, married a Baywatch. And so he, like, found the whole thing. And it was like, so. And he has, like, really good taste. And he has his own taste. And nowadays he'll like, Buy me jewelry that he thinks is cute. And I, like, love it because I'm in love with him now. So I'm like, yeah, like, I think I showed him. You're. You don't wear it anymore. You're a silver Van Cleef.

[A]

Oh, my God. I haven't. Just. Just because they all get tangled and it's so out to fix them. Shut up, Dan. I do wear it all the time.

[B]

I love that one. I remember being like, I want this at the. I think your first. The first episode we did of Just Dress, she had it. I was like, I want this. And so, like, I always show him it as, like, the blueprint. And every year he gets me, like, a gold Van Cleef. Like, he gets, like, a golden, black, blue and gold. And I'm like, you know what? We're gonna go.

[A]

But honestly, that's a stack too.

[B]

But yours is, like, silver on white. And he's like, no, I think tan's gold. I think it's definitely silver on white. But it's like, anyways. But I love it now that I love him. But back to the ring. It's like, I dreamt of this ring since I was, like, a teenager. And I was like, if I ever got posed, that would be, like, the dream ring.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the fact that he, like, remembered that.

[A]

Yeah, it has nothing. It literally has nothing to do with the ring, but everything to do with, like, him executing something that, like, meant so much to you and just without even thinking about it. And I. I really think if you went to your boyfriend and you were like, I love your grandma's ring, and I'm so grateful for this and everything that it means. But, like, I've had this dream since I was young, and I would love to find a way to mesh the importance of the two of these things. I've seen people even, like, take a stone from the grandma's ring and then put it. The stone into the. Into the other ring and like, all of those things. And either way, though, just like, if you guys have something so special, like, also do just cherish that so much. And I hope that you guys, like, you know, get to a good, happy, medium complete.

[B]

You have to wear that on your finger. You gotta like it. And it's nice that someone buys you something or gives you something, and that's fine, but.

[A]

And with the right person, everything is still, like, a fun process. You know what I mean? Like, he could propose to you with the grandmas, and you guys have an amazing proposal and you forget about this one, one aspect and you have a great time across this. And then if it's still bothering you six months down the line and you really, like, feel like you need something else, you guys could go together and have such a fun time. And then you wear both. Like, if that's your person, you guys will find this compromise, happy, medium, beautiful thing. And just don't let it cloud the beauty of love and engagement in marriage either. Because if you found your person there, your person, and it will work out.

[B]

That's it. Yeah. Because mine is like reverse where it's like, I love my ring. The proposal was crazy. It has sand dunes with like ATVs like flying over us. And I thought we were gonna die. And I was like, this is the worst proposal ever. And I was like, in a black cheap jasmine wig and my nails looked crazy. But because I was like, so in love and it was just like this dream, obviously the dream ring. I was like, it. Who cares that we're in the San Diego?

[A]

You can retake a photo like we

[B]

did two days later. And like, that's the thing is it's

[A]

just like there's so many societal rules around weddings and engagements.

[B]

And I love.

[A]

I'm loving, like, anytime I see a tick tock of a girl being like, I'm not having a traditional wedding, I'm not having a traditional engagement. I'm not. Whatever. I stop and watch the whole video because it really is like, those rules were made when, like, we had no rights.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, God forbid we want to do things different.

[B]

We were sold for a cow. And like, where's the diary? Yes.

[A]

Literally, the rules of marriage and engagement were at the same time that we could have also been sold for a cow. Like, you can do whatever you want. If you wanted to elope at a church, if you want to, or elope at a courthouse, or if you want to have 10 rings or one ring or no ring or a vine tied around your finger as a ring, a ring pop.

[B]

Like, oh, that's not what you can do. I like when people. Was that in a movie, someone, like, did like a, like a tie?

[A]

I feel like it was because, like, where did I get that from?

[B]

I don't know. I love that when people do that. Like, we have a twisty tie around my.

[A]

Yes. Like, you can just do whatever you want. And like, if it's with the right person, that's all that matters. Sincerely. So we love you and. Yeah. Hope that. Hope this helps. And congratulations.

[B]

Yeah. If you're already there at the engagement, that's you won. Yeah, the engagement.

[A]

As long as it's the person that's that everything else can be worked.

[B]

I get the ring you want to,

[A]

but yeah, yeah, people understand.

[B]

Guys understand, like, okay, whatever.

[A]

Yes. What do men know about rings anyways?

[B]

Yeah, like, my grandma gave me this. I thought that's what you're supposed to do. Yeah, like, that's so cute.

[A]

But, like, also, I also just checked my phone for a text during not Loveline. Like, I'm so sorry. I also just peed with the bathroom door open. And I was like, I am getting way too comfortable. Like, this is still a podcast that goes out to the Internet. Like, just. I want to apologize to you for being with the door open and to you for texting.

[B]

I kind of love that, though. I kind of just love how, like, casual it feels, especially when it comes in on a second episode like this. It's kind of like.

[A]

Like, we're all just hanging out. But, like, it was an important text that I was, like, waiting to receive. Okay. Like, it wasn't like, it was. But still, like, I just peed with the door open.

[B]

I mean, that's fine. That's safe. Really. It's like just letting you know I'm here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I really.

[A]

I felt safe enough to be with the door open here. I will say that. But. But still, I, like, walked out. I am not Loveline. Like, we're becoming one. I live here. Let's take another call. We're so speed round.

[C]

We're so calls Patricia and Tana. I love y' all show. And I just had a quick question for y'.

[B]

All.

[C]

So I have this friend, and sometimes they're a little stinky, and I was just wondering. I've mentioned before to them that they might smell a little off. And I was just wondering what is the best way to go about that in the nicest way possible. Thank you. Love you guys.

[A]

Oh, my God, it is hard. I actually just weirdly saw a TikTok about this where this, like, super sweet girl was actually, like, walking through the absolute nicest way to, like, help your friend if they are stinky.

[B]

Okay. What was her. What was her?

[A]

Just very much, like, pulling them aside. Like, being in a room where it's just you two, like, have something on you to fix the stink. Like, have deodorant or perfume and offer it to them.

[B]

Or you, like, subtly big. You want some of this deodorant.

[A]

That's. That's. I guess, like she was saying if it's really, like, people have Tried that and, like, whatever. Like, that she was pitching, like, a side conversation in another room where you said, like, I don't want people to talk about this, and, like, I would just want to help you and, like, whatever. I'm not gonna lie to you. I've always been the person who, like, deals with it.

[B]

Oh, same. I never will. Yeah, I have. I have a stinky people in my life, and I'm just like, well, yeah, like, that's them.

[A]

And I love them for their stink. Yes. And I love them because it does just like.

[B]

How do you say you can't? I mean, to me, like, it is, like, the craziest thing.

[A]

It's so hard. It is.

[B]

You must know they stink. And they're probably.

[A]

I don't know. I don't know, though. I don't know. Like, I could see someone just being like, people have halitosis. People have, like. People are using a deodorant that, like, wears off, but they've become accustomed to their own scent, so they don't smell it.

[B]

Or you find someone that, like, loves that scent. You know, some people could be like, I, like, I dated stinky people. Everyone's like, they stink and whatever. I honestly did not smell it because, like, sometimes, you know, like, pheromones are the way. Like, you just like the way some

[A]

people smell naturally, and then everyone else thinks they stink. But, like, you.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, I'm, like, in love. And, like, I don't smell it, so

[A]

I've definitely done that.

[B]

That stinky person needs to meet someone that also, like, loves their estate, loves their stink.

[A]

It's true. I mean, if it's like, your girlfriend and you, like, really don't want that journey for her, I would definitely try the, like, super nice way first, where it's just like, you're offering her your products. Like, you're just being like, oh, my God, try this perfume. Like, try this. Like, this deodorant is my favorite. Like, I swear, up, down, left, right by dub spray deodorant. And I'm always telling my girls, like, this is the best deodorant ever. Like, it doesn't wear out.

[B]

I use that. I use that when I. This may sound crazy. I like to shower every other day. And on my days that I don't shower, I do the dry spray so it doesn't get, like. Because I like the roll on for after a shower. So I love a dry idea gel.

[A]

Oh, no way.

[B]

But if I don't shower the next day, I feel like it's the stinky stays on there, so I don't want to use it. So I like to use a spray. So it's like, whatever. But I swear by the dove too, I used to the cucumber one.

[A]

Oh, my God, I love the cucumber one. The cucumber and the coconut and the whatever, in my opinion. I know a lot of people are on the natural deodorant wave, and I love. I love that for those people. And I know that over time, your body stops, like, producing the BO and becomes accustomed to the natural deodorant. But I don't have time for that three month period. Me personally, like, I'm spraying the Red 40. Whatever's in it. Like, I love, but, like, I feel like me and my girls are always giving each other recommendations, you know, like, that's like a thing where even you and I will be like, I love this lip gloss. I love this perfume. I love this, like, these pajamas. I love this. Like, you can try that route too, where it's like, you need to try this deodorant. It changed my life. Like, you know, deodorant's a crazy one

[B]

because that really is just me. Like, you stink, but.

[A]

Yeah, but do you think that, like, if you and I were, like, sitting somewhere and I was, like, going through my purse and, like, showing you things I loved in my purse, If I was like, I love Chanel Chance, like, this dove deodorant changed my life too. Like, like, these are my favorite combo. I've never smelled better. You wouldn't think, like, I stink. You'd think, like, tana loves this.

[B]

Yeah. You know, I'd buy it too. I'd buy anything you show. I'm like, oh, I want to get that.

[A]

Yeah. Like, we influence each other. So if you guys have that relationship, like, that's a good way to go about it.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[A]

Or, like, I don't know.

[B]

I feel like I have.

[A]

I have also friendships where, like, like, Brooke and I very much have the type of friendship where she'd be like, you wreak. But, like, we'd laugh about it. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Like, sure, yeah.

[A]

Like, is there, like, a way where you could be, like, you know what I mean? Like, playfully roasting, like, a playful, like, if you have that type of relationship, obviously, like, you can't just out of the blue be, like, freak if you guys don't have that relationship, but, like, maybe make it more about, like, you're having a stinky day today. Yeah, I love. Let's Shower.

[B]

You know where we should go on Friday night?

[A]

The shower.

[B]

Yeah, that's a really good way. I think that's a really good way. I mean, I love this deodorant and I like, tell everybody. So I guess it's like, yeah, I'm always just like that dry idea. It works so good. And people. Yeah, it does work good, you know,

[A]

So I also did. I really did see that tick tock, where if it's like something where everyone's talking about your friend and you really do just want to, like, have their back, you can be like, I heard, like, pull them aside and like, I heard someone making a joke and like, just like, I use these products and I love them and like, girl, it happens to the best of us. Like, that's. That's definitely a moment too where I'd be like, girl, I have the worst bo. Like, sometimes I smell like. I would definitely try to make them feel better about it because in reality it is. It's a human thing. Yeah, it's one thing Moa's really like, put me on to just of all things like that where it's just like, it's the human body. Like, there's no shame to be felt. You know, that is true with everything.

[B]

Just like, yeah, vagina is anything that's like, there's, you know, like, try to.

[A]

Exactly. Try to, like, phrase it in a way where it's just like, girl, this is like, no big deal. I just, like, noticed. Yeah. You know that you should check out this spray.

[B]

Like, you might be helping them too. Because like you said, sometimes people don't realize.

[A]

Yes. The stink.

[B]

That they're stinking.

[A]

I would. Would definitely want a friend to do that for me.

[B]

I would.

[A]

If I was stinky, I would want someone to move. Okay, we're good today.

[B]

Yeah. Whenever I see people, I shower. Just for the record, I'm like, let me shower today.

[A]

No, but, like, also, like, I'm a fake. Like, when it comes down to, like, spray tan and like, my hair and like, blowouts and all the things. Like, I definitely am a shower every other day when I'm in my, like, fake era. But, like, even give me a second day and then, like, whatever. But I'm gonna spray the deodorant and the perfume and like, all the things to make sure I always smell good.

[B]

Spray deodorant works. Yeah, I don't like, I don't stink after the deodorant, which is great. So keep on, keep on keeping on.

[A]

We love you. We love you.

[B]

Update on Stinky.

[A]

Please do. You can be hot and stinky too. Like, it's. It's nothing to do with that stink. Yeah, hot girls. Sometimes we sting. Like, it happens, like, dead. Like, whatever.

[B]

Put that on the baby tea.

[A]

Yeah, hot girls stink. That's honestly a baby tea. I'd wear that. I'd wear the. Out of that.

[B]

And then gift it to your stinky friend. Be like, here.

[A]

Yeah. Spray it with a little perfume. You got this, and she's got this. And we love you for calling in number three. Number.

[B]

Wow. We're rushing. We're breezing.

[A]

Three is like 30 to us. For us.

[C]

Hi, Chris and Tana. My cat tacos in the background. He wants to say hi, too. I have watched you guys for I don't even know how long, like, the past 10 years. And I love you all so much. And I have a question. So my body count is something that I feel very not embarrassed about, but it makes me feel self conscious. And I was in a relationship that I thought would be my last, and that ended. So now I'm trying to raise that count and do my thing, but I kind of don't want to be ashamed of my body count growing. So do you have any advice on that? How to feel comfortable with that? So Taco and I love you guys.

[B]

We love you and we love Taco.

[A]

Taco the cat. That's adorable. First of all, okay, I need to drink some water for this because I have a lot to say.

[B]

Taco is such a cute name, but so is Paco. Got another baby. I can name him Paco. Paco Taco.

[A]

I used to play a drinking game called Paco where, like, every time you'd take a drink, you had to take an imaginary guy named Paco off your cup and then drink. And if you didn't take Paco, whatever was imaginary. Yeah, like, he was just a little. He was an imaginary guy, and you take him off your drink. And then if somebody took a drink of their drink without taking Paco off and putting him back on, they had to drink again.

[B]

How would they know if he's invisible?

[A]

Dude, I. We were just alcoholics. Like, honestly, it's fine to go away.

[B]

Paco's still there. It's like, no, he was taking him off.

[A]

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[A]

Thank you RO for sponsoring today's episode of Not Loveline. I feel like, wow, I have a lot to say about this. It's just because I always feel like people are always asking me this too. Like, what's your body count? People have definitely seen, people I've dated, people like, want to know. It's like, like whatever. And my dad taught me a lot, including how easy it is to forget to cancel things. So I downloaded Experian, my bff. Big financial Friend Experian could help me cancel my unused subscriptions and lower my bills, saving me hundreds a year. Get started with the Experian app today. Your big financial friends here to help you save smarter. Results will vary. Not all bills or subscriptions eligible. Savings not guaranteed $631 a year average savings with one plus negotiations and one plus cancellations paid. Membership with connected payment account required. See experian.com for details. Experian like it is. It's like it's not imaginary. Like yes, we all those people and it totals to that number. Okay? But at the same time, if somebody asked you what's your body count and you said seven, but it's 7D and you just took off the zero, they're not gonna know the difference. I'm not saying you have to lie about it, but I'm just saying like, like mental. Like it does not matter. It does not matter if you slept with a hundred people to find the love of your life, or if you slept with 10 people to find the love of your life, or if you just want to sleep with a million people and you lose track your life. It's. It's imaginary. It's a societal thing that we've made up to deem people lesser than others or to deem people more promiscuous than others or to talk so much. Understand that there are like people with sex addictions and like stuff like that. And like there can Be a negative to, like, a super high body count and stuff, but, like, at the same time, like, I don't know. Like, to me, it just really doesn't matter if I. Nicole and I have never talked about body counts.

[B]

We have either. Yeah, I've never kept track. Even. I've never, like, how many. I couldn't even tell you. I have no idea. Maybe 100, maybe 70. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, maybe 50.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know.

[A]

You're like, no, I'm. No, mine's. Mine's just so much, so much higher.

[B]

I literally have never kept track. So I'm like, who counts if someone was like, what's your body count? Like, what loser counts? How many people?

[A]

I think it's a young thing, too, because I almost think in younger relationships, people more like, body count. Body count, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then, like, I started like McCoy, and I've never talked about it, but I can confidently say that, like, if his was 500 or 5, yeah, that's my man. And he. And honestly, like, this is a crazy take, but, like, he learned how to me this good, like, along the way. I don't want to think about it too much. Like, I don't want to think about it too much, but also, it literally does not matter. Do you know what I mean? Like, whether he 5 or 500 people. So long as everything is fine.

[B]

Yeah, I see tiktoks of like, oh, you my guy. Okay, well, he's like, changing my pads after giving birth to his baby. You know what I mean? It's like, you. You'll like, it doesn't matter because that those people are no longer in your life. Like, what he's doing for you now is so much more elevated.

[A]

It becomes this, like, imaginary number. Like, I wouldn't look at him any differently if it was 5 or 500. Like, I. You know what I mean? Because, like, I love him and we made it here and we're great and like, we're. You know what I mean?

[B]

Like, yeah, nobody's ever cared for me that no one's ever been. Like, how many? Like, it does sound like a young boy thing. I've never interacted with any young boys, even when I was young. I've never been with anybody in their teens. 20s.

[A]

I don't even think 30s.

[B]

I think everyone started at 40 for me. So I don't. I have no idea. No idea.

[A]

And it's like, I also just think that it's like, I will say that when a guy cares a lot about your body Count. It's a red flag. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, why, literally, why would you.

[B]

It would only start fights. Are you insecure? Are you mad? Are you gonna bring this up against me? Like, what's the point?

[A]

Yes. Do you hate women in general? Because like all of your boys probably have a higher body count than me, but you don' care at all. Like, I, I, I will say that that's the only time the body count comes into play for me as anything where it is if a man cares about your body count like super deeply. Because it's like literally, why do you care? It does not matter. I want you. You know what I mean? Like, and the vagina just doesn't work that way. Like all you got to do is kele it up. I don't know. I, I think that you are letting societal pressure stop you from having fun. And you're looking at these encounters that can mean something as just a number on a list that means nothing. You know what I mean? Takes three more on that list to find the person who's gonna be there for you during the hardest time of your life. Who gives a if it took 50? Yeah, like, you know what I mean? I'm not like, I have a lot of thoughts on sex and using sex in wrong ways and stuff that I

[B]

like stand Me too.

[A]

Same like, you know, if you're like raising your body count in a way that's like self harm, you know what I mean? Like that's, there's something there to be discussed and worked through. But the actual number getting higher, that's just a life stat. Every time you eat McDonald's, you're adding to your McDonald's body count. Every time you go to the DMV, you're adding to your DMV count. It literally, but you have to go to the DMV again because you got to renew your registration and you gotta find the love of your life. Like, you know, it just, it's a statistic that does not matter. Yeah, like, and I'm passionate.

[B]

Agreed. Yeah.

[A]

And I hate that men have made it this thing where it's not negative for them and it's negative for us because we're all just people trying to achieve what we want to make us happy, you know?

[B]

Yeah, I agree. What's the song? Remember, it was like the guy gets all the glory the more you can score while the guy can do the same. And yet you call her a whore. I used to love Christina. She ate with that.

[A]

Like, and it's so true. Because it's like the same, the same man with the same body count as you is being, being praised for it, where you are being demeaned for it. And then we're all just doing the same thing. And if anything, as women, we're like trying to find love through this and meaning and connection. And men are just being. Sometimes some men are just everything that they can, you know what I mean? But they get no for it. So please just try to take it off the pedestal that you've put it on, on your head, because it's just another one of your life statistics that means nothing. The only thing I say is it's a red flag if a man cares about it, it too much.

[B]

Big red flag. If. So that gives me like thinking about if someone's like, how many people we slept with? I'd be like, what the wrong with you?

[A]

Yeah, like, okay, and how many. You know what I mean? Like, how many Southwest airplanes have you flown on? Like, it literally matters so little to me.

[B]

I always thought like, sometimes a higher number is a little kind of a flex. It's like, look at all these people that wanted to bang me.

[A]

And like, you learn things. You learn things from each of the people, you know what I mean? And again, if it gets to like a self harm territory and you're not learning anything and it's the same lesson over and over again. And it's like, you know that I understand that that's something.

[B]

It's yourself ashamed every morning. That was me for like 10 years.

[A]

Yeah. Like then it's something that insane. I had errors in my life like that where I was like, I, you know, I'm looking for something somewhere I'm not going to find it. But you just have to regulate that. But if you're just actually young and dating, like, please don't think about your body count. It doesn't matter.

[B]

Yeah, doesn't matter. It is not your body count.

[A]

Yes. Literally not your. It's. It's so real.

[C]

Hi, Trisha. Hi, Tana. This question has been burning on my mind. I was thinking about you guys while I was in the hair salon for 10 hours the other day. I was just wondering, how do you stop feeling like you need to get your hair done? Like I am a bleaching tone girl. And I feel like I just, it's an addiction or I'm never feeling like I'm blonde enough or I'm always having this idea in my head it's a certain way that I need to look. How have you Let go of that. And how have you been able to like cope and just let your natural hair grow? I hold on to my extensions for dear life and I feel like I can't take them out. Please help a girl out. Let me know. How do you become more confident naturally? Love you guys so much.

[A]

This is so real to me.

[B]

We just talked. Did you go to the bathroom and make this call? Because we just talked three hours ago.

[A]

We did. I know. And it is like a forever thing to an extent. It is like nuts.

[B]

Literally was just like, I need extensions out of my again.

[A]

I was like, no, no, literally it's a. It is like I. This. To some people this may seem trivial, but to others we are plagued by the addiction to all of those things.

[B]

Legion tones, specifically trademark tana.

[A]

And it is like, because I think that there is a stigma to being like super blonde that you can like really feel yourself with that and like super anything. But I mean, I'm just speaking from like the one that I got rolled roped in by.

[B]

Yeah, that platinum blonde started with like the playboy. That's the epitome of hot. Like you're a hot blonde. Look at these flashy blonde, no roots.

[A]

Yes. And like, I mean, I'd be lying if I said right now if my hair could grow down to its while being super blonde, that I wouldn't be. You know what I mean? Like, I do love being really blonde. I've made a lot more peace with this and I'm understanding that this is like who I am now and stuff. I think quite frankly I had to be tired of being bald. Like, like for me, like, that's why it's like, yes, I'm blonde, but you're. You can see where your real hair ends and your fake hair starts and it looks like a staircase. This is me talking about myself and me. And your tracks are showing and your scalp is fried and. And you're paying so much money all the time. And like time, money.

[B]

Think about. You just said 10 hours. When I thought that, like, I think about that now too. It's like, that's so much time wasted of your life, like your valuable life. You're spending 10 hours, the money's insane. For extensions. The 4000 hairbread crispy extensions. You know what I mean? Just so insane. The amount of money I will try to de influence. I say this not as like a slate to anyone that is platinum blonde because I do love platinum blonde too.

[A]

And some people's hair is porous enough to take it and thrive and that's a whole other conversation.

[B]

If you're like, like, lucky to be a natural platinum blonde. Amazing. But I will say to try and de influence everybody is like, it is. It is dated looking. You do look like, if I were to have platinum blonde hair, I'm gonna look like I'm from the 2000s. Like, I look like a millennial that, like, never grew up. So I do think it's a little dated. I don't. When you think of, like, hot girls out there, I don't see any. Most of them are brunette. But I don't even see, like, there's not, like, platinum blondes like, there used to be, because it washes you out. I think it's a little dated. I know what you're saying. Like, in our head, we equate hotness. So we're like, we need that platinum.

[A]

And you become. It is a cycle because you're frying off your hair so short that you need the extensions. Then your roots grow, and that looks like. Like, platinum with dark roots growing out. So you want to just keep fixing it. That's, like, what I was doing. And I. My transitional period was fugly, like, you know what I mean? I was platinum, and I just had to grow it dark to, like, here. And then. Then I, like, added a little highlight up and started to blend it, and then I had to go without extensions for months. And it was giving mullet realness. And, like, it was a lot of slick backs and a lot of pamelas, and it still is a lot of pamelas. For me, I'm still not there yet. I'm still fixing it. But I will say that the other day, weirdly, on my own for you page, like a narcissist, I had a clip of me and you on Loveline, and then I saw a clip of me that was, like, super old in a video or on Canceled or something. And so it was my hair now and then my hair platinum. And I was like, it's tired. Like, I liked the way I looked. There is another side. I. I enjoyed the way that I looked more in the new Loveline clip than I did with, like, a thousand extensions in my head. And my hair was one inch long. And I. I was like, the boss baby or the baby in the Incredibles with the one hair, like, fooling no one.

[B]

Like, mine was the Angelica doll. I had, like, little sports out this way.

[A]

Literally, the Angelica doll. And.

[B]

And there was no hair. I remember them saying, there's, like, no hair to grab an extension to grab onto. Like, I was Literally, it was like balding this way back. I was this. And I was like, I need to stop. And like. Yeah, you kind of had to like hit the rock bottom of hair. And I remember when mine was growing out too, it was like 2 inch during quarantine. It's like when I first met Moses, my hair was like three inches of just brown and then a little bit of blonde hair. But even then I thought I was eating so hard, I was like, wow, I have four inches of hair and crazy and now. And yours is actually so good because you recently stopped like what, a year ago or something?

[A]

But it's still. It takes years to recover from.

[B]

Amazing. But it is nice. I just took out my extensions. Like. Oh, to have like all your hair.

[A]

Yes. Touch your scalp.

[B]

I didn't know that better.

[A]

Scalp touch. Like, like laying on the pillow. There's no tape or glue or anything in between.

[B]

Oh, I can just flip my hair like this.

[A]

Yes. And it takes a little like period of time, but. No, it's real. It's real and like it looks fabulous. Like it's. You have hair and it's. I just will say that like this is to anything beauty standard wise, you will eventually feel because like me with lashes, I had a whole journey, I think 10 inch lash everywhere I went. And like now I don't feel like I need them. Like you will feel just as beautiful and as you felt then like doing the natural thing eventually, if that's what you want and just try. You can always go back platinum. Like you just. It does just. It's like a year. It's like a year of slowly. I mean, you can go back to your natural hair color. That's the easiest. I just utterly refused. So mine was like, I can't. Yes, me too.

[B]

Yeah, so we missed that window.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But you're. The time you save will give you like, like, oh my. Like the time I save knock going to salon. The money you save is like, oh my God, I can like live my life without having to come every two weeks to the salon.

[A]

I can't believe that I would have two day appointments. It'd be like a 10 hour bleach and tone and then like a four hour extension install once a month.

[B]

Taking out the extensions, putting them in like that to me sounds like actual torture now. I guess do that too all the time. And I was like, what? How do you do that?

[A]

Mind you, I had a little hair in the back of my head that I'm like Ashley or Ty or whoever would have to spit on their hand and slick it down while we were in public because it was so small and sticking straight up. Like, the fantasy I thought I was giving for so long was not in the room with us. Yeah, it was cute.

[B]

Like you said, for the time being, it was cute. We loved it. We ate it up. And now it's like that that period's over for most of us and should be, because it's also just damaging to your hair. It's just, like, not healthy for your hair.

[A]

And, like, having, like, even just now, when I see new growth, I'm like, I preserve it and I cherish it. And I'm like. And it is just so nice to be like, I'm still not fully a natural girl. I love my spray tans, and I get Botox and stuff, but I've definitely dialed it back, back tenfold. And the amount of, like, time, freedom, money freedom, and learning to just love myself more has changed my life. And, yeah, I'm not gonna lie. Platinum to not platinum. There's gonna be some months where you're like, I just still wish I was platinum. This is awful. I look like. Then you get to the other side, and you're saving so much money, and people think you look better. Yeah. Anyways, like. And maybe you were just blind to the obsession of it. And they say there's, like.

[B]

Like, fat blindness. There's also, like, blonde blindness. There is blonde blindness. Oh, I thought I looked. Even when I wear a wig now, that's platinum. I haven't done that in a while. I think on tour I did.

[A]

And I was like, no, we did the death becomes her shoot. And I was like, jesus Christ. I did not need my hair white to the scalp at all times.

[B]

That was giving. Yeah. Bleach and. Which, by the way, is Moses's favorite thing he said today on the podcast, too. He loves saying bleach and tone.

[A]

You put him on.

[B]

I literally wasn't even talking about hair. I said something about, like, bleach. He's like, that's my bleach and tone. I was like, you don't even know, right? You didn't even know what that was like, a month ago. Now he can't stop saying it.

[A]

I love that you put Moses on to saying a bleach and tone.

[B]

It's so funny the way he says it, because the way you say it does just scratch the ear is so nice.

[A]

Bleach and tone. And don't get me wrong. Like, it is. I'm not saying that you shouldn't have it but also, you know what else I realized? Like, I was so addicted to this thing that I thought it was the only way I was beautiful. And it's like, life is short. Like, what if I want to dye my hair red? Or just, like, have a bob for a while? Or, like, have. Just like. That's another suggestion I would give you. Like, if there's anything else you've been itching to try, just try it. You can have eventually go back platinum and feel hot again, and you might end up getting way more attention, and people might think that you're way hotter as this thing. And then it might open your eyes that you are hotter as this thing. And then you're saving the money and you're just try something else also.

[B]

Just us.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I look back, too. I put side by side, like, oh, my God, I look, like old and crazy with my.

[A]

Yes. Like, I. I was literally aging myself, because in my head, it was the only way I was, like, beautiful. And it's like, I don't know. You don't. You don't. It's one thing if you're obsessed and you're loving it, but if you're making this call and you're like, how do I get out of this? Like, it's a few months of trenches, but then it's like this beautiful horizon. Yes. Like, the waves part and your hair parts again. Because it can part, because it's long enough to part. Like, it is like, it is so nice to be able to be like, oh, I can put this in a. I'm just starting to get a ponytail after one year, like, and I still don't have one. It's still, like, kind of a little flu roof. But I'm noticing that some hairs are starting to do this, like, bend over and, like, beautiful. Be a ponytail.

[B]

And I'm like.

[A]

And then you become addicted. It's like, I want to take biotin, and I want to do the math.

[B]

I love a biotin.

[A]

Like, that's a whole new fun journey for me where I'm like, I want to see how healthy I can get this hair, because I didn't have that for so long, you know?

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

And we believe in you, our healthy hair natural queen, just for your hair. Yes.

[B]

He said, what's by biotin?

[A]

Yes. It's like a pill for your hair. It gives me cystic acne, but I digress.

[B]

No, really?

[A]

Yeah. But castor oil on the scalp, I've been doing that, you know, but as

[B]

you said earlier, the rosemary oil is really good, too.

[A]

Yeah. And it's just like Dr.

[B]

Grew or have you tried that? Okay, I don't know if it's like, I'm really falling for these TikTok scams or maybe not. It's not Tick Tock shop, but it's like, it's really expensive. It's a Korean shampoo, actually. It's called Dr. Groot and everyone who promotes it says Bretman Rock. This is the only product he talks about. You know, he has, like, beautiful hair and everyone says it's the only problem.

[A]

Yeah. And Brett Monrock came out and said, like, I am putting cow piss on my scalp. I would go put cow piss on my scalp. He's the best hair ever.

[B]

I just ordered this doctor shampoo and conditioner because everyone's like. And there is a clip of. Of Bretman Rock saying, I never do any hair care promos. I'm not about that. Than he's like, but I will tell you what I use on my hair. And it's Dr. Grooton's the best. So I'm like, hopefully it's legit. I don't know. I was like typing Dr. No, I'm ordering it tonight.

[A]

I'm so sorry, but that's Bretman Rock's hair is like, God, like, we always

[B]

have, like, luscious hair.

[A]

I hope. I also want to try because I've been seeing everyone on Tick Tock. I don't know the Abby Young method. Have you been seeing that?

[B]

I just ordered every single thing Jaclyn Hill mentioned in her Amazon. I went to that link tree. I. I will show. I will show you my, like, my Amazon.

[A]

Is it the Young method?

[B]

Oh, yeah. She follows the Abby Young method and she shows you every single product that you. Oh, did you see something else? Did you not see?

[A]

No, no, no. I've just been seeing everyone. Ashley started doing it and she has been getting a lot of growth too.

[B]

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[A]

1-800-contacts. Wait.

[B]

I get a whole routine.

[A]

Cuz I really want to try it because I want to. I really want to. We both should. Because I want to like either debunk it or be like, this is the.

[B]

Because it's like, let's do it. That. And let me purr.

[A]

Yes, let me purr. And the Abby Young method. I. And normally I really, I'm never sold on these. It's always like the, the Kegel method, the bedazzle method, the. The glitter chakra method, the, the. You know what I mean, Sophia, whatever method. There's always a method. But I've been seeing it work for Ashley, so I do want to try it.

[B]

Is. I, I don't know what it really is. I just saw like Jaclyn Hill showing her routine and I was like, I'll do this.

[A]

Yes. So I guess just apparently this is the best routine for like, like helping restoring the bonds of your hair and all.

[B]

The tooth comb and like the oil before, I think.

[A]

Yes, the oil before.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I also like that a lot of the products are affordable. So I want to try it because I use Kerastos religiously and carousel is amazing. I love here. Yeah, I Love carousels. But, like, it's carousel, it's bougie.

[B]

Hers was all affordable. It was Dove conditioner, Dove shampoo, l' Oreal salty free Bond panties. And why do I feel like the

[A]

with the best hair are always like, yeah, use Pantene.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Like, and that's another thing that goes back to what we were talking about in the previous episode where it's like our mom, we're using oil of Olay and they have all have.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, look amazing. Like, where it's like, maybe if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Like, maybe you need some Pantene on your hair.

[B]

We should do it like, before and after. I'm very excited about this hair journey.

[A]

Yes, me too. Me too.

[B]

Anything to grow hair. I'm like, yeah, let me have it. Absolutely.

[A]

So to all of our girlies out there who are looking to maybe give up a beauty standard and find love in themselves feeling, you know, more naturally themselves, the answer is not a million more products. Obviously, we're just excited about the Abby Young method. But, like, you will find a new Abby Young.

[B]

I wonder.

[A]

I don't know. I was so mad be young, but I don't know. I think she's a tick tocker. Okay.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

But. Well, you just, you got this. And there are, there are new horizons where you feel just as beautiful doing less. I promise. Because we as women are just expected to do so much and less. Yes. And do things when you want to, you know, like, like we're excited about this little hair growth method, but like being addicted to an expensive, like, hair extensions because it's the only way you feel, like, beautiful. Like, I just, I remember that and know it all too well.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And a little part of that girl will always be in me, of course, where I'm like, I just want to go get a bleach and tone and extend into. But now I have the option of doing it for fun versus feeling like I need to do it to be beautiful, you know?

[B]

Beautifully said.

[A]

Also, Abby's hair. Wow. Oh, wow.

[B]

Did we see a picture of her?

[A]

Did you want to see?

[B]

It's.

[A]

Yes. Show me Abiang's hair. I do want to see. Oh, well. Yeah. She's got every right to be given a method.

[B]

Oh, wow. Oh, my.

[A]

Her hair is, like, shining like you could see it from space.

[B]

Nice. That's how Jaclyn Hills was too. Hers was, like, really shiny. She's a brittle hair before and like, it was so shiny. I was like, I'm gonna believe this.

[A]

Yes. We're trying it.

[B]

Oh, it's the same products.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Oh, she's showing them. She did, like, the back reveal. Oh, oh, Oh, I love it. I've never been mean to be like, look at this shyness.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

She always just has redken, though.

[A]

Perfect hair, really shiny. But she also, like, would do bleach and tones at home and, like, has perfect hair. Like, I think hers might be a bit little natural. Well, I. I mean, I don't know if that's what she would say, but I'm just like. I've never seen Brook's one singular split end. It's like, God, Tier, is that crazy?

[B]

I know. I can get mine trimmed and I still have split ends all the time. I'm like, I don't know how people have that perfect, like, even platinum.

[A]

She just like, I didn't have a single split end. God, Tier. Oh, my God. I could stare at her hair all day. It's everything.

[B]

So lucky. Couldn't be me, but.

[A]

But we're working on it. Who knows?

[B]

We're working on it.

[A]

Us in five years. Come on, Abby.

[B]

Young, Biotin, Lemmy, Dr. Goop,

[A]

as we're like, be so natural. Love yourself. Both are true.

[B]

Yeah. Both are very true. We're working on perfecting our natural hair.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, we're science.

[A]

Whatever.

[C]

Hi, Trish. Hi, Tana. I just wanted to call because I know this is not Loveline, but sadly, this isn't about love. I just wanted to see if y' all had any advice on, like, if y' all were 18 again. I would just start over. I'm currently 18 and trying to, like, find a future and, like, set myself up for success. And I just need a little bit of advice. Thank you. I love you so much.

[A]

We love you. Our baby.

[B]

Yeah, that was cute. I know you've got plenty of do overs, restarts new life. You have, like, 50 do overs.

[A]

Just between 18 and 21.

[B]

Fresh start every month for me at 18. I need a fresh start today. As you should. Literally.

[A]

So true. And it's like, 18.

[B]

That is the fresh start. That's the new start.

[A]

And I just can't stress to you enough, like, you are supposed to not have everything figured out at 18 years old. You just now legally are allowed to figure things out. And I feel like social media is the devil in the regard that you see all these other people similar to your age. And even now I struggle with that. You know what I mean? Why? Where comparison is the root of all Evil. And you see all these people and you think you're supposed to be all of these things, but all you're supposed to be doing right now is making mistakes and having fun. And the figuring out will come, you know, like it just. And even if you figure everything out right now, like, even if right now you figure out everything, by 20, you might want a completely different thing. And then by 24, your frontal lobe is developing and everything you thought you knew is completely different. And like, like, I just cannot stress you enough that time is for that. Like the mistakes and the fun and all of it, you know, I. I would.

[B]

Yeah. That's like the perfect advice I give to my like 18 year old self is like, don't stress about, like, love and money. Like, that stuff, like, just comes way later in life. Like, I wish I could go back to being just 18, just being still a kid. I mean, yes, you're legally an adult, but you're still like a teenager. Just enjoy being like, young and doing young.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like focusing on you.

[A]

Freedom young and doing young. Young. Yeah. That's the thing. I really wouldn't go back and change anything because that's what I was. I was just like a young idiot doing young. And I didn't have to worry about mortgages and writing my will and people dying and just like so many little things. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. Buster's here. Yeah. Oh, the little baby Buster. Welcome to not loving. This is how mommy pays for all your. Oh, my God. How's it going? It's going. I mean, he. His pee this morning was like neon green, so Meg was nice enough to take him to the vet today, but he's good.

[B]

Oh my God, he looks so cute.

[A]

He's just a little chicken. I'm scared to bring him here for a full not Loveline because he's just. He doesn't have it all together yet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My little son, he's two.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

He's just widow. He's just a widow guy.

[B]

Yeah. How's it. What's the funnest thing about having a foster dog?

[A]

Oh, my. It's the cuddles. He cuddles me like, so, like, when I edit, he falls asleep on my face. Like he lays on my chest and falls. Falls asleep on my face. And then I just let him sleep on my face and I edit. And then like at night we spoon. Like, even. It'll be like mokoa spooning me. And then I'm spooning him like he's the cuddliest. Little baby.

[B]

So cute. He's so like, calm.

[A]

And he's obsessed with carpet. Like whenever he sees carpet, all he wants to do is like roller. Like if he got to the shag rug, he would just want to roll around on it.

[B]

Dogs are like that too.

[A]

And it's really cute. But he definitely is gonna stay in Auntie makes arms right now. Because there's a lot of things for him to. To discover at Auntie Trisha's. I know.

[B]

Especially here. Even my own kids, I'm always just like, watch out.

[A]

Like there's just like, yes, he's very curious. So it's. And speaking of curiosity, back to our 18 year old. I mean, girl, you have so much time to figure things out. Don't compare yourself to anyone. Make a million mistakes. Making mistakes is so camp before your frontal lobe. It's literally what you're supposed to do.

[B]

Yes. Like that's the time to do it. It's embarrassing if you're making mistakes at 38. What you're doing at 18, like keep doing.

[A]

Yeah. It's like you're supposed to date all the people you're supposed to figure it out. You're supposed to have a job you don't like, then a job you do like, then you're supposed to like. You know what I mean? Like you are. Don't fool yourself by thinking because Even all the 18 year olds who are probably around you pretending to have everything figured out and like, pretending to thrive and like. Or thriving even like they're. They might have a whole crisis at 20 where they want something different and then another at 22 and 23, like nothing is set in stone. And then. And that's beautiful.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. Comparing yourself to other people. I always thought that too. When people were married, like young and having kids young, I was so jealous. Like that's what I wanted. And some it works out beautifully. And then some I've been seeing on TikTok. Now they're like in this phase of discovering themselves at 27, which is like totally fine, of course, but they're like, I got you married young. I did all this. So I was thinking, like, I'm so behind. But then I was like realizing now I'm like right on time and like where I was meant to be. So 18. I think everyone should be having fun at 18. I think they should be focusing on themselves and at least I'm making mistakes. It's a big part of it.

[A]

Yes. Like just foot, like fall, fall on your face a million times and know that it's camp like 18, you're not supposed to know a damn thing. And that's like the beauty of it. And I like, I frequently miss when like all of the problems of like my life now, which I love and they're blessings to have these problems. But I have to take care of a lot more things and I have a lot more responsibilities and I have a lot more things that I just have to like care about and focus on and be really responsible. And I miss being 18 and being like I going to drink all night and go out or I'm going to have fun with this guy or I'm going to have fun with my friends or I'm going to like, whatever. And like tomorrow's a new day and I could be a whole different person tomorrow because I'm 18, you know, move

[B]

across the world and stuff. Like it's crazy. Yeah. When you have.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. You have no like responsibilities.

[B]

Yeah. And like really own that one day you will, like you said, no matter what, what stage you are in Life. Like you're 27, so 27. It's like obviously more responsibilities and then at 37, it's like, okay, now there's like more responsibilities and like kids all stuff and it's like, I love it, I want to change it for the world. But yeah, I can't go move to Greece tomorrow if I want to. You could go do that. You could go do whatever.

[A]

Yes. Like just know that 18 is. It's supposed to feel like this and try not to let that become a negative because it's actually a positive that you can like just do anything and make mistakes and have fun and figure it all out. So we love you and you got. Yeah. Go, go diva. Go Trisha Paytas. We took five calls today.

[B]

We really crushed it.

[A]

Yeah, we did. And we were advice givers and it felt really great. I love all the girls that call in so much. Like, we love you guys so much.

[B]

Love the calls and thank you guys for calling in being vulnerable. We are taking new calls all the time because we would like to hear what's going on.

[A]

Yes. And call us for the patreon. Give us some spice too. We're about to get over there and just talk our and giggle and not Loveline. We just love you guys so much. So yeah.

[B]

Yeah, we'll see you guys soon.

[C]

Bye, guys.

[B]

Bye.