Brand Safe Tana Mongeau

Summary

Not Skinny But Not Fat — "Brand Safe Tana Mongeau"

Host: Amanda Hirsch
Guest: Tana Mongeau
Date: December 2, 2025

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Episode Overview

Amanda Hirsch sits down with Tana Mongeau, the original YouTuber famous for her wild storytimes, viral scandals, and unapologetically chaotic public persona. Now 27, Tana opens up about her transformation from notorious party girl to "brand safe" influencer. The conversation dives into Tana's sobriety, family struggles, famous relationships, reflections on viral moments, current love life, and her evolving brand. It's a candid and entertaining conversation—equal parts juicy, vulnerable, and hilarious.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. Life After Chaos: Sobriety, Growth, and Becoming "Brand Safe"

• Tana describes entering a new era of self-care, sobriety, and "rooted girl" aesthetics (05:38, 08:03).
  • "I'm a rooted girl, and I don't. I miss it sometimes... but my scalp is healthy for the first time" — Tana (05:40)
• She identifies as "California sober," mainly avoiding alcohol (08:27). She shares her past struggles with excessive drinking and how moderation is difficult for her (09:03, 19:00).
  • "My choice was a drink, like, just all of it." — Tana (08:53)
  • "It's almost reversing now... I think my stomach is tired of everything I've put it through." — Tana (09:14)
• Candid about multiple rock bottoms and what finally made sobriety stick—fear of losing loved ones, her career, and her fans (20:36).
  • "I took a long look in the mirror and I was like, you're going to lose everything you love." — Tana (20:54)

2. Fame's Dark Side: Family Battles and Growing Up Fast

• Tana shares her unconventional upbringing, going no contact with her parents at 13 and finding family with her best friend Amari's family (32:12).
• Opens up about trauma, narcissistic abuse, and being sued by her own parents for talking about her childhood online (34:05–34:32).
  • "I cut them off completely when they sued me for slander for talking about my childhood." — Tana (34:05)
• Now, she views her parents with empathy rather than anger, recognizing their own brokenness (35:03).

3. Relationships: The Bella Thorne Throuple & Life Lessons

• Amanda presses Tana for clarity around her infamous throuple with Bella Thorne and Mod Sun (15:25–16:26).
  • "I wouldn't say that. No, but... I wouldn't not say that either." — Tana on “official” throuple status (15:44)
  • Reveals she and Mod Sun didn't get along until after the throuple ended, and that both Bella and Mod Sun taught her important life skills (16:28, 17:05).
  • "We're all kind of mosaics of people we loved." — Tana (17:31)
• Credits Bella for propelling her into a more serious, LA-based career (13:46).
• Tana expresses gratitude towards most exes, saying she has no hard feelings now—her wild "for the streets" era was essential to her growth (18:14–18:57).

4. Internet Legacy: Inventing Storytimes, Stalkers & OnlyFans

• Proud, not bitter, about the new generation of “crazy girl” influencers carrying her YouTube storytime torch (31:15).
  • "There is room for everyone. The second you feel threatened or jealous is the second you'll slip and fall off where you're at." — Tana (31:09)
• Walks through early YouTube career and viral moments, including her infamous stalker story (38:45–40:03).
• Discusses OnlyFans (“Tana Gone Wild” era), earning millions per month but attracting unwanted attention, including from stalkers (41:01–41:20).
• Addresses blind items and rumors: she's sober, club appearances are now work obligations, not parties (41:59–42:42).

5. Brand Safe & Business Moves

• “Brand Safe” transformation is directly linked to sobriety, maturity, and desirability to mainstream brands (46:28–48:25).
  • "The second you start following the path meant for you, it's wild the way the universe rewards you." — Tana (47:04)
• Credits Tarte Cosmetics for first major “brand safe” opportunity (47:33).
• Jokes about launching a "brand safe" shade in her next lip kit collab (49:51).

6. Current Relationships & Life in Hawaii

• Tana reveals her relationship with Makoa, who she met in Hawaii; describes their romance as transformative and calming (63:11–66:16).
• Purchased a place in Maui, describes plans for the future with kids and marriage, but wants to take her time (66:18–68:40).
• "He's perfect. We balance each other out so well." — Tana (66:16)
• She wants to be the "best, most emotionally intelligent, caring, incredible mom," and will have kids when she's ready (66:55–67:23).

7. Viral Lore: The Good, The Cringe, & Halloween Costumes

• Embraces her past viral moments with humor, especially the infamous “Team Bryce” paparazzi video (59:56–61:19).
  • "Good God... But it's just—a story arc, for sure." — Tana (61:19)
• Loves when fans dress as her for Halloween (Tanacon, Hefner era, toothbrush incident) and feels it’s important to laugh at herself (61:19–62:10).
• Discusses dressing as Alabama Barker for Halloween, clearing up rumors and noting that “giving grace to other wild young girls” is vital (68:57–71:31).
• Reveals her biggest “dumb” splurge: "private jet era went too far" (71:35–71:48).

8. Reflections on Body Image, Health, and Celebrity Drugs

• Talks about trying Mounjaro and her complex feelings about “quick fix” weight loss (72:13–73:57).
• Food relationships—loves indulging, reveals preferences for chain restaurants like Chili’s ("We need to divide society into people who've had it and people who haven't" — Tana, 74:03), but also dabbles in gluten-free trends.
• The “Franklin Jonas tattoo” story: Amanda and Tana laugh about Frankie Jonas (the “bonus Jonas") having Tana’s name inked on his leg (76:12–77:58).

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Sobriety & Change:

  • "I truly feel 80. I've been through so much. A lot caused by me, might I add." — Tana (07:21)
  • "Now it's—I'm counting up, and that's really great." — Tana, on days sober (20:24)

• On Family:

  • "I cut them off completely when they sued me for slander for talking about my childhood." — Tana (34:05)
  • "I feel nothing but empathy for them." — Tana (35:03)

• On Brand Opportunities:

  • "The second you start following the path that is universally meant for you, it's so wild the way the universe rewards you." — Tana (47:04)
  • "For so long, I couldn't get a brand to work with me if I tried." — Tana (47:36)

• On Humor & Self-Awareness:

  • "If you want to be a funny person, you gotta recognize when someone else is being funny." — Tana (62:10)
  • "The only term I can think of is 'for the streets.'" — Tana (18:05)

• On the Future:

  • "I will see to it that I am the best, most emotionally intelligent, caring, incredible mom that I can be." — Tana (67:19)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• 00:04 — Amanda intros, pivots to Tana's wild public persona
• 04:50 — Tana joins: hair transformation and health talk
• 08:32 — Sobriety journey, struggles, and health changes
• 13:13 — Moving to LA, relationships with Bella Thorne/Mod Sun
• 32:04 — Family trauma, going no contact, being sued by parents
• 39:03 — Viral storytimes and YouTube beginnings
• 41:01 — OnlyFans era and its consequences
• 46:26 — "Brand safe" era and major brand deals
• 63:08 — Relationship with Makoa, life in Hawaii, future plans
• 69:01 — Halloween as Alabama Barker, closure on old drama
• 71:35 — Most wasteful splurge: private jet phase
• 76:12 — The Franklin Jonas tattoo saga

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Memorable & Lighthearted Moments

• Tana on Halloween costumes: "I love a fucking silly Halloween costume. And it worked so well." (69:41)
• On viral dental work: "Five teeth ejecting themselves across the globe later..." (11:32)
• On the roast-y moments:
  • "I'm like, why were you doing that? Get her a muzzle. Somebody tranquilize her now." — Tana on past viral moments (58:53)
  • "I ate penne alla vodka last night and I was like, I am a health guru." (74:54)

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Tone & Language

Tana is unfiltered, often self-deprecating, quick-witted, and reflective. Amanda’s warm, gossip-girl tone encourages Tana’s candor while steering the conversation to hit all the “juicy” details fans crave.

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Summary Usefulness

This summary covers the episode’s major themes: personal growth, fame’s pitfalls, owning your narrative, and maintaining humor through scandal and change. It spotlights Tana’s unique mix of candor, resilience, and comedic self-awareness—making it ideal for both diehard fans and first-time listeners.

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Note:
Ad reads, sponsorship mentions, and standard show introductions/outros have been omitted for brevity and content focus.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[B]

Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey, guys. I hope everyone has had a great Thanksgiving. We are so bad at Thanksgiving in my family. I don't know if this is a Jewish thing. I don't know if it's, like, our family thing, but, like, just Thanksgiving isn't on the scale of, like, highly important holidays. I feel like we slack, and you could really see that shining through because I was the one to be like, you guys, what are we doing? What are you making? Where are we going? What are we doing? And usually I'm not it. I mean, listen, nobody's perfect. And, like, I'm not the cook of the fam. I'm not the hostess of the fam. Like, I don't see that changing, but I'd want something to happen where all of a sudden, I'm, like, making a fudgeing casserole, but I don't even know what a casserole is. So I put husband to the task of making chicken because we're not doing turkey, since we complained for years how the turkeys are dry. Then, in normal Hirsch girl fashion, we got into huge fights. It's honestly the Kardashians in our house, but, like, the Hirsc. Because literally, it went from me being like, you know, why didn't nobody care about Thanksgiving? My mom's saying, you know, Allison is really busy, you know, and crazy right now. And she always hosts. And I was like, well, why can't you, like, cook? And then she was like, I raised you. Which my mom tends to do. She did raise us amazingly. Three girls on her own, which we've given her just credit for every day and appreciate it every day. Okay. Even after having kids, I get it more. But she'll bring it up. Like, when I'm like, mom, couldn't you have made, like, Brussels sprouts? And she's like, I've done everything for you. Like, that is what happened. And then, like, she gets upset that we don't appreciate her, and I'm like, I literally said Brussels sprouts. Which, like, it does so happen that I am the instigator in the fam. But I really think that everything I say makes perfect sense. It's wild. Anyway, that turned into my sister Being like, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then my mom being like, you have help. I didn't have help. And my sister being like, well, that's why we were alone a lot. And then my mom being like, if you weren't alone, I would be able to work. Anyway, it was like this huge. And I was like, so back to the Brussels sprouts that I said you could probably handle. And I just. I just. I love my mom so much, and I don't want her to have the attitude of like, I'm done. Like, I. I. You know, I'm done. I'm done. I've done it and I'm done. No, babe, you can cook. Anyway, so I hope everyone had a happy Thanksgiving. I'm sure you all had your own family fights and dramas. And you all think you also need a reality show. Oh, this is a good transition to the girl that actually needs a reality show, you guys. So today, not skinny, but not fat. I have somebody who's literally lived more lives than most people twice her age. And she's only 27. She's the OG and the Queen of story. Times before Get Ready With Me's were even invented. Okay? She walked. So you know these new TikTok influencers and everything could run. Yes, you guessed it. Tana Mojo is here. And if you didn't know how to pronounce her last name until right now, you're welcome. Because you've learned. You all know Tana, whether you're a super fan or just have seen one of the wild things that she's done, like being a throuple with Bella Thorne and Mod Sun. We're talking about how, you know, her jaw was swinging side to side in old videos by doing so much cocain. Okay? But she's in a new era. She's sober. She's in a relationship. She's not bleaching and toning anymore. It's fucking wild. Okay? We talk about her most viral moments, from her yelling to the paparazzi about being Team Bryce to the Hefner era, the Alabama barker costume. Literally, you guys, it's wild. We even get into Franklin Jonas having her name tattooed on him. So she's such a fucking gem. She's so entertaining. She's so fun. And she's here being honest, open, and vulnerable. Just like we like him. Just say no. But she was such a vibe. So enjoy this episode. Enjoy my interview with Tana Mojo. I'm just excited. I'm saying her last name, right? Because you don't want to know what I've been calling her in my head for years, like, Manju man. Joe. Mojo. It's Mojo. Tana. Yes.

[A]

We're just, like, kikiing. Should we.

[B]

Sorry, we. This is what we do.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

The whole time. Let's kiki.

[A]

Oh, my God, I'm so excited.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You are so talented, and you've had so many amazing guests. What is the Kris Jenner to Tanner Mojo pipeline feel like for you?

[B]

It's exactly that. We went from Kris Jenner to Tana, and I'm so.

[A]

I'm so happy.

[B]

That's so fun. I love it.

[A]

Thank you for having me.

[B]

Thank you for coming. You look great.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Is it still a bleach and tone?

[A]

It's actually really not. It is not. It is a. And blend the root. It's funny. I was just yelling a bleach and tone off the Empire State Building because they were like, you need to yell something. And then I pitched so many things that they said no to. And then we landed on a bleach and tone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was like, who's they?

[B]

Who's they?

[A]

The Empire State Building.

[B]

Building.

[A]

Oh, them.

[B]

The Empire State Building.

[A]

They were like, you cannot yell he. Me with the toothbrush. You cannot yell this. And so we. We landed on a bleach and tone, and it was fun, so.

[B]

But then you were like, that ain't me anymore.

[A]

I know. It really isn't. I'm a rooted girl, and I don't. I miss it sometimes you see a really, like, you'll see a platinum blonde baddie, and you'll want to, like, get back into that and just, like, it's a different energy when you're platinum. But I'm also. My scalp is healthy for the first time.

[B]

I have to say, like, when you go blonde, even if it's, like, some highlights, it. It feels less healthy.

[A]

I had a stack of hay on my head for damn near a decade. And it's so funny because I truly thought everyone believed me.

[B]

Right.

[A]

My hair would be this long, and then I'd put in 24 inch extensions, and I was like, this is homegrown.

[B]

I have to say, we were going down the. The Tana pipeline.

[A]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. How do you feel?

[B]

No, like, great and that. I mean, it just was a smile on your face. It's like. It's just like the extensions.

[A]

Yes. The track.

[B]

No. But not all the time. But the extensions you had when you were doing your show, right? You did the.

[A]

Oh, my. I love the. Oh, do you Mean my live shows or my MTV show?

[B]

No, your live show. Yes, but your live show, the music one. You did like.

[A]

I did like six of those. And the hair across it was so the hair. She was. If you came to a Tana Mongeau live show and you didn't see tracked out in person, you didn't get what you paid for. You know what I mean? You really didn't get what you paid for.

[B]

So now you're a new woman.

[A]

I really. I feel like a new woman.

[B]

You feel like a new woman? Yeah. But here's the wild thing. For people that don't. I mean, there are people that know, you know, you know, you know everything about you, and there are people that know you have heard your name.

[A]

The people who don't know are the best off in the scenario.

[B]

27. Yes. You've lived a fudgeing life.

[A]

I've been. I truly feel 80.

[B]

Been through so much.

[A]

A lot caused by me, might I add, at the hands of myself.

[B]

But, yes, but, like, yeah, most 27 year olds, it's like they've, you know, gone to maybe college, finished, did a few years, like, you know, college here, lived a life.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

Experiences upon experiences.

[A]

How does that feel? I mean, I think it's cool. We all love a. We all love for. Forgive my French. Am I allowed to swear on you?

[B]

Oh, my God, please.

[A]

The boucle couches are telling me I shouldn't swear. Actually, I already swore, but I'm a bitch with lore, you know, and I. I love a bitch with lore.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

When I meet one on the street, you know, when I'm talking to a girl and she's got backstory, like, I do live for it. And I truly think that I have done almost everything under the sun. And now I'm kind of in this wholesome era where the things that I haven't done are like, I'm almost reverse aging, Right?

[B]

Like, breakfast. Yes.

[A]

Breakfast is sickening. Being up before noon is crazy. Celery juice is super good for you. Like, yeah, like a keratin treatment, you know?

[B]

Are you a healthy girl now? Like, you're sober, I'm sober.

[A]

I'm California sober. Though I will say that people get upset sometimes because I'll smoke a little weed now. And yeah, people like, you're not sober, you're California sober. You know what I mean? And I kind of.

[B]

I do respect that.

[A]

It is different. Some people have problems, you know, with different things.

[B]

But weed was never your issue.

[A]

Not at all.

[B]

It was alcohol.

[A]

It was so much.

[B]

Really.

[A]

It was enough to, like, fill New York City.

[B]

Like, what was your drink of choice?

[A]

Oh, that's the problem. Like, even making a choice would make it better, right? Like, oh, like, here's my drink of choice. My choice was a drink, like, just all of it.

[B]

Like, whatever. Vodka, tequila, wine, beer.

[A]

Shove it. I loved beer. I would clear a 24 pack of beer on my own in, like, the most. Just no cannibalistic way.

[B]

I don't even know. Like, that's like a tummy ache.

[A]

I. I built something of steel, okay? And it's almost reversing now. I literally, now I'm like, am I an IBS girl? I think my stomach is finally tired of everything I've put it through.

[B]

Stop. I mean, listen, it does happen. I'm gonna say with age, even though you're still young, but it is true. Your stomach gets less able to withstand shit.

[A]

It's so true.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

It's so true. Regina was like, your girl. She was like, are you gonna use the bathroom in the middle of the interview? And I was like, regina, I don't know how to tell you.

[B]

I'm bubbling.

[A]

Like, I. I may have to. And I'm really sorry, but peeing, to.

[B]

Be clear, at least that's what you said.

[A]

I peed this time. But, I mean, I. I don't know.

[B]

It's because you've had a lot of.

[A]

Especially in New York. Because I come here and I'm like, you want to eat the bagels and you want to eat the hot dogs and you want to try the weird lattes. And Trish and I were just. Trisha and I were just eating Korean corn dogs covered in, like, hot Cheeto flakes. Like, I am just. I'm ready to go home. Back on.

[B]

What's your track? What are you on track? You're doing celery juice.

[A]

I'm doing. I've been going on and off right now with gluten free. Okay, I know, I know. Hold your horses, everyone. This is going to be the most interesting interview ever. Tana Mongeau's gluten free. But I mean, you know, hot girls have.

[B]

Hot girls have stomach issues now. You're one of them. How else do you feel? What else has changed about your life? And you're still popping off, girl.

[A]

It's actually so funny. I'm about to. I think I want to, like, go Shane Dawson on these hoes and make a documentary come 2026 about my tooth journey. Okay. I'm on one. I'm about to get my like 17th set of veneers.

[B]

We'll see new doctor.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Why don't you go to Appa? Like the best of the best. Do a collab. Is that what you're doing?

[A]

Well, I have, I have a best of the best guy.

[B]

Okay, but what was the, what was the guy that wasn't good that it kept him popping out because of him that.

[A]

I love the way you asked that question. Okay.

[B]

No, I'm saying like cuz your career, I mean you could have gone to anybody. It's so true.

[A]

I mean, why, it's actually funny. Like half of the reason why I want to make this documentary is.

[B]

Wait, you're serious about the documentary?

[A]

I mean it's a Tana Mongeau documentary. Okay. It's not, it's not going to be Hulu quality, but it'll be, it'll be on my YouTube. But the reason why I want to talk about the bigger message of all of this is because I think that I got veneers at a very young age. And it was also before a lot of the fancy things existed, the composite bondings and oh, where you don't have.

[B]

To shave off the tooth and shit too.

[A]

Yeah, it was just come in, shave it down, shove it up and get out.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like it was. I mean I had a lot of dental problems. Like I across my childhood. I just didn't like meet the care and the need. So I had to fix a lot of things. And then upon doing that, we also decided to go with veneers and. But I think that I just made the decision so flippantly. I was just like, everyone in Hollywood gets veneers. I'm going to get veneers. And obviously now, you know, five teeth ejecting themselves across the globe later. There is definitely some things I wish I could have told that younger version of myself to be a little more mindful of. And I'm kind of excited to share that journey. I think people shouldn't just look at veneers as like going to cut a bob, you know, like those are your teeth.

[B]

Yeah, those are your teeth. But the thing is today they have the stick on ones and you don't even have to shave it off.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I definitely not even a big deal.

[A]

I missed the mark on that one. But still I do. I'll still see like just younger influencers being like, I went and got veneers, I shaved my teeth off. It's still very normalized.

[B]

Yeah. And people are getting veneers that really don't need it.

[A]

It's so true. It's so true. I mean, and I remember, even when I got mine, I was dating Bella Thorne at the time, and she was, like, heartbroken. She was like, why would you do this? The character of your teeth. And I remember at the time being like, you are so dramatic. Look at my new per. My shiny teeth in me.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I felt like the guy in, like, what is it? Fairly oddparents. And now looking back, I'm like, she. She kind of ate with that notion.

[B]

She had a point.

[A]

You know, fixing your own teeth or embracing the character often leads you down a healthier path.

[B]

And I remember, by the way, very well.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

What year was that?

[A]

Oh, my God. Like, 2018.

[B]

2018?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you meet her in the music video that you did together before?

[A]

No, I slid into her dm.

[B]

You did?

[A]

I did. And. Or I tweeted. I tweeted I wanna. Because she had just dated Scott Disick or something. I know a lot of funny things were going around about her kind of dating different people. And I tweeted, I wanna date Bella Thorne next. And it was kind of just me, like, joking around, but also, like, I was down, you know? And she, like, responded, and we met up and it kind of just whirlwinded.

[B]

You know, it was a whirlwind.

[A]

It was. But honestly, she. She did so much for me. Like, as a human, I learned a lot from her. I was still living in Vegas when we met, and she was kind of the person who was like, you should move to LA and take this more seriously. And, like, really? I also think sometimes you can learn a lot from people just by observing. And she definitely, like, at that time she was going out and it was the paparazzi, and it was all of the crazy things.

[B]

Yeah. She was at her height of fame at the time, and she.

[A]

She would walk into a room and every single person would turn their heads. You know what I mean? For better or for worse. She was very polarizing and also beautiful and just, like, captivating. And I think that I learned a lot about, like, commanding a room and being that. And, like, I'm. I took it too far, obviously, later down the line, but I don't know where I would be if I never. I, like, what if I stayed in Vegas longer? What if I. My whole life, I moved?

[B]

Like, Bella got you to move. Yeah.

[A]

I was coming out to, like, see her a lot and just spending more time in la and she was, like, flying me out like a sugar daddy. God bless Her. I owe her some Southwest flight money for sure. But, yeah, I mean, she was definitely a. I met a lot of people through her. A lot of my best friends that are still my best friends, like.

[B]

So what age did you move out?

[A]

I officially moved out to L. A. I mean, I was. Yeah, I was like, 18, 19, but I was coming out here a lot before that. It was just kind of. We're not coming.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't know. Yeah, I don't. I'm on a press run. Can you tell? But, yeah, I mean, just more over time I started.

[B]

Wait, so the Mod sun thing, how did that happen? Were they dating at the time? Or did he. He joined.

[A]

It's funny. No, I think I joined them. Question mark. Someone fact checked me on my own damn life. I actually don't know.

[B]

It was all a blur.

[A]

A mix. Yeah, a blur. A blur is a great word. But we did meet through her, and that is how that happened, you know?

[B]

And you were legit a throuple.

[A]

I wouldn't say that. No, but it's so interesting because I wouldn't not say that either. It was just like. I don't think any of us knew the. Was going on. You know, there was this media narrative, and I do think Bella kind of liked that narrative at the time. And I also, like, I loved the eyes and the chaos.

[B]

You love stuff. You loved it, of course. Yeah.

[A]

You could tell. Very. You could really tell. You could tell. I was eating.

[B]

What did you do? What did you do?

[A]

I was posting everything. I was feeding into every narrative.

[B]

Did she care? Was she like, stop posting?

[A]

No, she. She liked it, too, I think. I mean, she started the kind of throuple thing, right? She was like, I want to date Mod son. I want to date Tana. And we're all here. And I mean, we would all just spend a lot of time together. We really would. But it wasn't. I wouldn't say it was like a throuple, and obviously that kind of.

[B]

But you were more into her than into him.

[A]

Yes. Across the relationship, Mod and I actually really did not like each other. Because you were fighting over Bella. Yeah, it was kind of. And I think that. I think she kind of knew that. And it was like a fun. Like, who am I gonna give more attention to today? Like, who am I gonna. And obviously, it's hard to give attention to two people across a relationship, you know, I mean.

[B]

But a throuple means that you and him would also be, like, having sex.

[A]

So it kind of wasn't. But then, obviously, we dated after.

[B]

So that. Right.

[A]

We. It was almost. We hated each other until the threshold was over. And then it. That almost brought us together, being like, hey, what the was that? Right.

[B]

And what was that relationship like?

[A]

It was good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was really, really great. He's a really great person. He taught me a lot about life, and it was also in my music era, so he was, like, helping me a lot with that and stuff, which is funny to look back on. Yeah.

[B]

But he's dated a lot of. A lot of girls.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, long life. Yes. He's an amazing person and so funny and, like, so sweet and so smart and just like, he's really great.

[B]

So get you all positive. Positive things to say about everybody. Positively.

[A]

Towards most people that I have dated, honestly, I really do. I think that people really serve a purpose and, like, we're all kind of mosaics of people that we loved or that loved us and stuff. Like, you can take something from every relationship that you've been in, and so there's no hands with that?

[B]

No. No one you feel negatively towards that you've dated? No, no.

[A]

There's maybe me being like, what the fuck was I doing? What the hell? I don't know. I don't know. It's not. It's not one person. It's kind of like, just collectively, like, I was. The only term I can think of is for the streets.

[B]

Okay. What do you mean, for the streets?

[A]

No, but I mean, I really was like, oh, my God. I'm surprised I didn't date, like, my mailman.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you know what I mean? I just. You. You deliver these packages so good. We should, you know, but also, like, when I look back at it, I don't. Ness. I think that there are moments where I was maybe a little extreme, but at the same time, I was just in my 20s, and I was a really wild girl coming from Vegas, and that whole lifestyle there, like, it kind of just carried over naturally into being in LA and stuff. So it's like, yeah, I don't. I had a lot of fun, and there's a big part of me now that does hold hands with all of those slutty, insane versions of me and, like, all of the relationships because, like, I'm so happy with where I'm at now. I think I needed to experience all of those things and learn them and have a lot of fun and get to where I am now.

[B]

Do you feel like you want to be sober forever ever? Like, that's the goal.

[A]

I think so. I mean, if I could ever. You know, there's 50% of people, I think, who believe that moderation is something that can be taught, and there's 50% of people who believe that it's a genetic thing. And I don't know where I really land on that scale. And I think that if. If there was a world a long time from now where I really studied and I learned and I felt like I could break something that is so intrinsically in me and have a glass of wine and maybe be a great mother and all of those things. Yeah, then maybe. But at the same time, I don't know.

[B]

I'm not sure.

[A]

I'm. I'm unsure.

[B]

And what made you want to become sober? Like, was there a day? Was there a rock bottom?

[A]

There were several rock bottoms. I. I mean, it was a long time coming. It was one of those things where I was wrestling with sobriety and knowing I needed to be sober for, like, almost two, three years, you know, and going on stints I loved, like, 75 hard. That was my favorite. What does that mean thing in the world? You know, the people do 75 hard, where they'll, like, eat healthy, work out.

[B]

And not 75 days. Yes, that's a lot of days.

[A]

And it's hard. That's. It's. It's in the name. And I would do that a lot because I love to go around and be like, I'm not drinking for 75 days. I'm so healthy. I got the praise. But day 76, people were battening down the hatches. Okay.

[B]

People were horrified.

[A]

Like, I was counting down. You know what I mean? And now, obviously, I'm counting up, and that's really great.

[B]

How many days over you now?

[A]

I mean, I'm over a year sober.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So we're. We're in that. We're getting to the 400.

[B]

Have you had any, like, moments where you we're going to relapse? No, no.

[A]

Like in the other times, obviously, where I was sober for, like, six months or something, I did relapse. And we all saw that, you know what I mean? And I just. I don't think I'd gotten it out of my system. And I don't think I had gotten to a point yet where I really had to get to a point where I took a long look in the mirror and I was like, you are going to lose everything you love. You are going to lose the people you love. You are going to lose this career that you worked hard for. I mean, crazily, you were crazy. But you also, you wanted this very badly. And you're gonna lose all the people that you love and just every. Your fans and everything that you have if you don't go sober. And now it's. I just would never regress like that. It's. I see alcohol now and I'm genuinely repulsed.

[B]

Really.

[A]

Like, I feel like for me, you know what I mean? It's like I love seeing other people get drunk and have fun, but I was very well aware that it was poison for me.

[B]

You were drinking during the day, like in the morning, like. Yes.

[A]

I mean I definitely ramped up at like a 2 or 3 or 4pm okay. You know, but I was drinking so much. I mean, I was partying in LA for so long. The party girl image was so ingrained into who I was and it almost. There were definitely some years there where the party girl image was so ingrained with my idea of self. I did not think I would be worth it or interesting to watch or that I would have a successful career or that I could have fun or that I'd be likable or so many different things if I wasn't partying, you know.

[B]

And I saw you said somewhere that you thought like that equaled your career and that if you weren't doing wild things and partying then you wouldn't have.

[A]

All of that 1000%.

[B]

Which like a normal person would think the opposite.

[A]

100. But I mean, I had just, I had dizzy wine and I was throwing parties all the time and I was throwing events and I was vlogging the craziness too. And the story times and the podcast and all of these things and the lore, you know what I mean? But at a certain point the lore was going to kill me, you know, and like I took it there. I really, I really did.

[B]

Do you think the fans knew? Because I saw you post this hilarious tick tock that was like your jaw was swinging from like cocaine and so many of your videos. Yes. And nobody knew.

[A]

I, I think that people knew. I, I'm actually, I really am surprised looking back, that it wasn't talked about more.

[B]

That's what you were saying.

[A]

Like, you know what I mean? I'm like, damn. Like, I'm surprised these weren't my top comments on everything. But I think people were just used to it. It had become a part of my image that it was just like, Tana's crazy. Who's she gonna be with tonight? What's she gonna be doing? What's she gonna be saying? What's she gonna be apologizing for the next day. Like all of that, you know what I mean? And it took a lot of backtracking to get here.

[B]

But cocaine wasn't your thing of choice.

[A]

It was not my vice. Like, I don't think I was ever addicted to cocaine. I just think that when you love to drink and you love the bender and you love to party, cocaine is a great best friend to that.

[B]

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

[A]

A lot of people feel that way.

[B]

And I also mean coke is like, people are doing coke now. Like it's alcohol.

[A]

Thank you so much for saying that because that's what I was just gonna say. And especially when I moved to LA, the party scene was almost 10 times more wild than it is now because it was before TikTok. So people had no inhibitions. No one was afraid of a short form video of their actions ruining their life. People were fucking certifiably insane. And cocaine to me was as normalized as alcohol. And I mean that it also, that is my perception because I think that I came from Vegas and I was wild and people wanted to keep me inebriated and having fun and all of those things, you know what I mean?

[B]

But no, cocaine is.

[A]

But definitely I've seen every single one of everyone's favorite anything and they're all.

[B]

Scared you're gonna, you're gonna spell.

[A]

They are scared I'm gonna spell, but I won't for the most part.

[B]

Like, were they scared to get in the stall with you?

[A]

No, that's the thing, that's the problem. Everyone wanted to do cocaine with me and that I did.

[B]

You were like that. It was like the equivalent of like being the girl that people like go to smoke a cigarette with on a lunch break. But you were the girl that people.

[A]

Wanted to do a bump with or rip some shots with or forget about their with. That's another thing that's really when you start to really brand yourself and live. Like the person who's down for anything. Yeah, anything's going to come your way.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, and it. A lot of memories are fun. Like when I look back, I'm like, that was so cool that I did that thing with that person or on that trip or in that city and stuff. I wouldn't, I'm not regretful or angry. I'm just so happy it's over.

[B]

Really. I was so happy for you. We'll be right back after the break. These days we insure just about everything. Cars that lose value the second we drive them, phones we Trade in anyway every two years and trips we haven't taken yet. I never know if to mark that option, if to add the insurance. I really don't. But with our pets who are truly irreplaceable, they often go unprotected. With ASPCA pet Health Insurance, you could get help with unexpected vet bills and make sure your dog or cat get the care that they need when they need it. When you enroll in ASPCA pet health insurance plan, you could get a 25Amazon gift card. It's a little treat for you while you're doing something great for your pet. Incentivize you, okay, to ensure your pet. 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[A]

Very sweet of you to say.

[B]

True.

[A]

I think I came up with some other people who were doing it, you.

[B]

Know, but on YouTube.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. But there wasn't Tik Tok. And then Tik Tok kind of invented a. A new.

[A]

And I like to see it.

[B]

You do? Yeah. Okay. You're too positive today.

[A]

I'm like, I know you're not going.

[B]

To hate it all.

[A]

Oh, I'll hate if you give me some to hate on. I'm. One thing about me is I'm very honest and unfiltered.

[B]

Truly. Well, the thing is, like, it could be two things, right? It could be like. Like, great, but it could also be like, I started this.

[A]

No, I think it's like, oh, my God, I hate people. I hate people who think that way.

[B]

That they started shit.

[A]

Not that, but, like, people who would actually get angry at someone else doing something that they did. I think that the Internet is the most oversaturated, giant place on planet Earth, and there is room for everyone. And the second that you start to feel threatened or jealous is the second that you're gonna slip and fall off of where you're at. Like, I'm just so grateful that there are the new younger girls, like a Kayla Malik or someone who are making these tick tocks and being wild and, like, carrying on the crazy girl, like, legacy world. Like, it makes me so happy to see that.

[B]

I feel like you're. You're getting back into it more right with the story times now.

[A]

I think I'll always longer form, you know, talk. My. I always, unfortunately, I need a muzzle, and I'm always going to have something to say, you know?

[B]

Well, how did this. This starts? So for people that don't know your story, you grew up in Vegas.

[A]

I grew up in Vegas.

[B]

You're not with your family since you're like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

13 years old. Yeah. Still no connect. Contact with your family.

[A]

Well, so Amari, my best friend, his family, they took me in around that time, and they are who I look at as like my family. They have been there for me through everything and through all the holidays and just all of the amazing things. We're on a family group chat. We all talk every day. I'm calling them. They're like, never letting me off the phone. They're the best. They are my family. Family. You know what I mean? So I'm very lucky. I know so many people who go no contact with their families, and they spend a lot of their life searching for something to fill that void. And, you know, in a lot of ways, the void is never fully fillable.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, even if it is someone else's families, you. You wish that you could have had the traditional scenario. Yeah, at times, you know, but I. I feel so lucky to have them to always be there.

[B]

Thirteen, you leave your house?

[A]

It wasn't necessarily that I left my house. It was more that I definitely had a lot of needs that weren't being met. And thank God I met this crazy boy who loved me so much that he took me into a home that was meeting a lot of my needs.

[B]

You know, nobody ever popped up, like, from your family, trying to talk or.

[A]

I definitely did. It was a very insane roller coaster of narcissistic abuse. And anyone who knows anything about narcissistic abuse is that's. It's kind of a lot of highs and lows.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's like doing super up and then, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. And I'm. Narcissistic parents also often feel very entitled to you. They're like, you know what I mean? But I raised you. I brought you into this world. I can take you out of it. Like, you're just like me. Like, you know what?

[B]

I. They.

[A]

They love of that. So it was. It was a lot of push and pull. And it wasn't until I was 21, 22 that I cut them off completely when they sued me for slander for talking about my childhood.

[B]

Because you talked about it online?

[A]

Yes, I talked about my childhood on.

[B]

M. Can they do that? Is that a thing?

[A]

Yes. I mean, it's complicated.

[B]

Did they.

[A]

Well, I settled because I didn't want to do it.

[B]

You settled and you, what, paid them?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yes. So they wanted money?

[A]

Yes, yes. 100. The entire. In my opinion, at least the entire reason for doing that was for money.

[B]

Yeah. And this is your mom and my dad. And your dad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Suing you.

[A]

It was. Yeah, it was the most. One of the most traumatic moments. Periods of time in my life, and I think that honestly led to a lot of my later problems, like alcoholism and stuff. It definitely made things, like, snowball, for sure. It was very. It was very traumatic.

[B]

Are they blocked? Can they see what you're up to and stuff?

[A]

I. I know that they see and stuff.

[B]

And is that okay? Like, how do you feel?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, actually, like, recently, and I'm not ready to fully delve into this. I'll probably talk about it at length for a long time. Like, when I'm ready to talk about it. I don't think it's, like, a quick snippet, but I had to break no contact for some stuff that was going on, and it was the first time I had spoken to them in, like, five or six years. And, yeah, it's. I'm definitely. And that was very traumatic, obviously. But, like, I'm at a point now where I feel nothing but empathy for them and almost, like, sadness. I feel very sad for them. I think that they were two very broken people. My dad was in the Vietnam War. He came out of the Vietnam War. My mom grew up in kind of an abusive household, and then she kind of just carried that into a series of. Of marriages and men throughout her life. And I think that she never had the courage to stand up or be brave or get out of this situation. And, you know what I mean? My dad had a lot of PTSD and was very abusive, and, you know, just. It was. I feel very sad for both of them. They're both very broken people, and I think that, you know, maybe when they brought me into this world, they had an idea of hope that they could have been a parent, and they just failed so miserably, which is obviously very sad for me as well. But it's very sad for them, too, you know?

[B]

Do you have siblings?

[A]

No. I was born an only child, and Al Mari provided me with the feeling.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

We've always lived together, and he's super funny and talented on his own, so he was able, kind of through my stuff, to, like, find a career in social media, too. And he kills it, and it, like, makes me so happy. I want to take care of him in any way. I will be forever indebted to him, and he doesn't feel that way. You know, he's not like, you owe me. He's like, you're my Family, but that's how I feel.

[B]

That's so sweet.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

At what point did you. Did you always yearn for like fame, people knowing you or like, did that come out of, I think, situation?

[A]

Always a character, right? Like, I was always really wild, wild child. I mean, when no one is raising you. For a while I debated titling my book. Like, wolves would have done better. And it's so true. Like it, it's when no one is monitoring you or making you better, they're almost making you worse. You know, I was like, from a very young age, I knew my parents were unfit to raise me. And so that showed in like my behavior and just how I was in school and how I was in life. And that created for a lot of stuff. And then it wasn't that I was yearning for fame, it was that I was a YouTube kid. Like, I grew up watching a lot of YouTube. Like when I just first discovered YouTube and YouTubers and YouTube videos, it like damn near saved my life. Like, being able to escape my abusive household for 10 minutes a day to watch someone else's life and forget about my own and you know what I mean, Just be engulfed in their world, like, was the most. I've chills even now thinking about it was the most magical thing in the world to me. It saved my life. And so as I ended up getting older and crazier, I guess I was just like, why don't I try this? You know, Because I wasn't passionate about anything, frankly. I was suicidal. I didn't want to be alive in the life that I was born into, you know, And I knew that if I wanted anything to happen for me in my life, I would have to make it happen for myself. And I dropped out of high school and just because of the household environment I was in, it wasn't. I wasn't sleeping, I wasn't eating, I wasn't. And then I wasn't a good kid and I couldn't, you know, all these things. And so I was working a minimum wage job and I was a high school dropout. And I knew that that was going to be my future if I didn't do something about it. And I was passionate about YouTube. So I sat down and I started.

[B]

To talk, tell my story and editing. And you learned how to do and everything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And how did it pop off? Like, what was the trajectory was like today? Did you get like millions of views in a day or like, it wasn't in a day.

[A]

It was pretty fast, really. It was probably over like a Six month span that my life changed completely and forever. Story times were what popped off. What kind of.

[B]

And did you start telling your story right away? Like, like the good, the bad, the ugly? Like. No, no, it was more like I.

[A]

Thought I was gonna be a daily vlogger for a second. I loved Casey Neistat and then I was like realizing I'm working a minimum wage job and there's nothing to daily vlog about that. I tried beauty, but then I realized that the things coming out of my mouth were never going to be accepted by the beauty industry. And my stalker story was the first thing to ever blow up. And little did I know how that would just. Here I am, 27, and there's is still so much lore with that there.

[B]

Wait, what's the stalker story? Tell me.

[A]

Well, I've had several stalkers now and I almost think that I, I manifested it in a way, you know, which is manifestation does work both ways.

[B]

But are they like, what's their vibe of these?

[A]

Well, so my first ever, it was a kid that was in my second grade class and then we ended up growing up together and he would like follow me to church group when I was a church leader and he just ended up like hacking into my stuff and being insane. And he's. He stayed in Vegas and. And he hasn't done anything now in probably like five, six years, which is good. But other things.

[B]

He obsessed with you?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like wanted to.

[A]

He thought we were dating and he would tell everyone we were kind of together and we loved each other and. Yeah, and that's a common theme in stalkers, you know, is the, the parasocial, the obsession. But it was interesting that that one was kind of before fame. Right? That one was just like before fame he was just kind of a screw loose. And obviously I was also a screw loose. Just they magnetized, I guess, you know.

[B]

And then that continued. You kept on having stalkers.

[A]

I think almost talking about it like.

[B]

It makes them want to stalk you.

[A]

Well, or just it makes. Gives other people ideas, I guess. And then the most like recent situation that is still active and I try to talk about it lightly, came from. In my opinion at least it came from only fans and that era and doing that because I think that you're.

[B]

Not on there anymore.

[A]

I mean I, I like am, but like I like I could see myself closing it down once and for all. Closing down shop not too far from now.

[B]

Wait, what was your only fans era like? What were you posting?

[A]

Oh my God. I. I was genuinely just monetizing. My real life. Okay. Like my, it was always out. Like my, I was shaking ass, I was twerking, I was in the strip clubs, I was drunk. Like it, it made for some great content over there.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

At that time. And we, yeah, we called it Tana Gone Wild. And it was Tana Gone Wild for sure. You know, but it was, I mean it was crazy. Now even seeing these girls, like the Bobhouse girls and stuff, it's. It's like I'm watching a video of me at a certain time. Like I'm like, I remember when I made a million dollars a month. Girls, make sure you invest.

[B]

Well, like, you know, did you, did you invest? Yeah. Okay. And I just, I saw your video that was like that everyone is like, oh, she probably spent all her money on drugs. And you were like my $5 million home.

[A]

That was crazy. Cuz that was a blind item actually. And I don't have blind items happen for me that often.

[B]

So I felt like this was a recent blind item.

[A]

Yes. Recently I was in Vegas with Alex Cooper for her Unwell Fest. And the blind item was that people saw her and I at Marquee nightclub doing cocaine. And that I'm actually going under financially due to this cocaine use that I do with Alex Cooper. And it's so funny because actually it was a club appearance. Alex wasn't there. I was there for a matter of seven minutes. I walked in, took a photo with Tara. Yummy. And dipped and said I'm going to post this.

[B]

And you're sober. Yeah.

[A]

And I just, I, it's. I don't want to say I hate that now but like I'll do my club appearances, you know what I mean? It's, it's a work obligation. I'll get paid, I'll go in, I'll have fun. I'll pour the alcohol in girls mouths, I'll take the photos. I still have it in me, you know, to have fun. But if it's not work, I, I'm not in a nightclub.

[B]

You're not at a club anymore.

[A]

New York. But that's different.

[B]

Different. I mean that, that's wild in its own. In its own. The box when you started the pod that you don't no longer have. Now you have a new pod with Trisha. Right.

[A]

I mean I started not Loveline with Trisha while I was still doing. Canceled. I had two at once for a while. So it's not. Loveline's almost a year old, which is cool.

[B]

And, and canceled pod. You started with this guy that let's just connect the dots. Hunter Moreno.

[A]

I started canceled with. I started canceled. My original idea, my original intention was I'm gonna sit down and I'm gonna bring my friends in. And you see, in the beginning episodes, like, Ashley and Amari sat down for one and stuff, but the first episodes were with Hunter Moreno and Brooke Schofield. And by. By episode seven, I think we knew what was happening and what we were in for, that the people wanted Brooke and I. Hunter knew he was not going to be cut out for the content of this podcast, and he escaped. And I remember, it's so funny, at the time, I was like, I can't believe you're doing this. Like, why are you leaving? Now looking back, I'm like, good for you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm so happy you got out. Like, I was so certifiably insane.

[B]

And did you date him at any point? No. Okay. Did you see he's engaged to Britney Snow? Did you see?

[A]

I. I've been seeing. I've been commenting. I've been.

[B]

You've been commenting?

[A]

I've been commenting on these videos because I. No, no, no. You know, I mean, I just. I'm seeing a lot of misconceptions about Hunter and his character, and he has been my best friend. He's actually like a brother to me, and I love him so much and care about him so much. So it's. It makes me so sad to see him be so misunderstood.

[B]

I didn't see that. People are saying negative things. Yeah.

[A]

Or just. At least even just saying that, like, we dated and stuff. Just seeing old clickbait, like, come resurface and, like, actually affect lives, like, kills me and, like, well, you know what's happening there? Snow.

[B]

A lot of people haven't heard of him. They saw he's engaged to Britney Snow. They're going on a dip dive. Like, you can understand.

[A]

I 100 can understand, I guess. You know what I mean?

[B]

When you care about people. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You just. To see people run with a narrative that. About someone that, you know to be untrue. You know, you always want to, like, fight back. And I'm just so happy for him and this era of life. He's such a good person, and he deserves this era of life.

[B]

Did you know about the engagement that.

[A]

I mean.

[B]

I mean, I just don't.

[A]

It's. Britney is such.

[B]

She's so cute. She was on the pod. She's the cutest. I know. She is the nicest, cutest, tiniest, humblest, kind, everything.

[A]

Most truly, like, personable like, cares about the little thing. She is, like, just the most incredible woman ever. And I. I don't even want to sit here and be commenting on it to cause her.

[B]

Her.

[A]

Any.

[B]

No. She's so sweet.

[A]

Any.

[B]

She deserves the world. I love her too.

[A]

And they are. They're both great. So seeing this, like, powerhouse duo, I'm.

[B]

Like, oh, my God. Did you watch Hunting Wives?

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Are you obsessed?

[A]

Of course. Yes. She is just. She's so talented. And I mean, I've known about her, obviously, since the dawn of time. I remember having a prom night, the movie from Blockbuster, and being like, who is this blonde diva? You know? So to now get to, like, see her in such a personal, intimate light in life, I'm like, she's amazing.

[B]

And what's nice about her is everything she doesn't know. It's like, I told her too. Like, grew up watching you, like, with you. Grew up with you.

[A]

She's humble to a fault.

[B]

Yeah. It's.

[A]

It's like, do you know who you are?

[B]

Yeah. She's like, I'm nobody. Lindsay Lohan's a big deal. I'm not. I'm like, you're a big deal.

[A]

Oh, my God. I know. It makes me sick.

[B]

Tell me about this brand safe Tana moment that's happening. That that's even a word. Like, you need to TM it Brand safe.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Brand safe now. So you're sober.

[A]

I am sober.

[B]

And. And what's. Well, did you actually feel like brands. Well, you were safe before the brand.

[A]

Safe era started with this baby girl right here. Okay. Shout out Tarte Cosmetics for being so amazing. And, I mean, I noticed little things, but I keep talking about how sobriety, I mean, and going sober and changing who I was as a person and growing in so many ways. The second that you started, start following the path that is universally meant for you. It is so wild the way the universe rewards you and you almost. I almost just feel like I'm on this, like, divine timeline where the universe is like, wow, you are finally not a piece of. And we're gonna throw you some bones for it. You know, you have finally done the self work and. Yeah. That. I mean, for so long, I. I couldn't get a brand to work with me if I tried, really, you know, or I could, but it'd be a dildo or it'd be an energy drink that might make you, you know, it would be a weed company. It'd be, you know, so many things. And so, like, I mean, at the.

[B]

Height of Your career. Career. You could be making so much money off YouTube, but a brand to sponsor, you wouldn't. Yeah, but just not like what you wanted.

[A]

It was. I mean, there was. There were certain brands. Like, I always joke that White Fox is my longest lifelong commitment. Like, no one's ever committed to me like, White Fox. I mean.

[B]

I mean.

[A]

But no, it was so hard and, like, to get a brand to want to work with me. And that's why I do accredit everything to my fans, because they rode for me and they watched this stuff and they came to the shows and they bought the merch and they did all of the things to support me and love me, even when I was so crazy and almost unlovable for so long, you know? So it's like, that is why I have such a special bond with them. And it's now. It is.

[B]

So now you're like, move over. I need the bread. Yeah.

[A]

It's wild. It's fucking nuts. It's like we get these contracts from these big brands, and they want all these. It's new. It's almost like new and exciting.

[B]

Do you know that? That's, like, crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it. That's, like, in on its own. Just like a crate that you're, like, now seeing these things are the first time when you've been around for so long.

[A]

I saw so many of my influencer friends doing, and I'd be like, you're gonna make a million dollars to do that? Like, what do you. What are you. The things I have to do to make a million dollars are not the same as the things you have to do. And. And I was always kind of on the outside of it, and it was kind of a joke and whatever, and it's been so cool. And obviously, when I say I'm in my brand safe era, there, obviously there is a dash of irony in that. You know, I'm still me, and I say a lot of unfiltered, crazy stuff and whatever, but it's still very cool that these brands want to work with me. And I just feel so fucking grateful. And Tarte really did, like, change the game for me, Ayanna. That's why I just thank Maureen and all of them.

[B]

Were they your first, like, like, big.

[A]

Like, I think that I've worked with other, like, big brands and stuff, but not at this capacity.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, the way you did that.

[B]

That lip kid thing with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And they. They just welcomed me into their family and blasted my name out there and put me on the Front page and put our products in ulta and like funded so many things and we're still working on new stuff now. You know, like this beautiful like partnership and family and like, you know.

[B]

Can I make a suggestion? Tell now and then next lip kit, like a one that's called the color is called brand safe.

[A]

I 100 agree with you. It's actually funny someone commented because in my toothbrush video I have a red lip. And someone today was like, toothbrush red. You should do that. And I was like, I'm not gonna do that. I like brand safe.

[B]

Brand safe is good.

[A]

It's. I think that's a color.

[B]

I love that you have just. You have your things that you kind of stick with and that become a vibe for you and your fans. And it's like now it's gonna be like brand safe, Tana. Brand safe, Tana. So now you are at the Millie Bo Brown thing.

[A]

Yes. Oh my God.

[B]

Hashtag Brown Safe.

[A]

So brand safe. What do you mean? I was sitting there with Ms. Millie and we're talking about.

[B]

Did you meet for the first time?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, it looked like you were vibing.

[A]

We really did catch a vibe. It was so cool. Like she is. She's everything and I mean people have. There's been a lot of discourse and viral videos and different stuff comparing us and saying we look alike and stuff for so long. And I, I don't see it. I think she is ten times more beautiful of a woman than I could ever be. She's gorgeous. I'm like, if she's 11, I'm like 14.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I. If she's Millie Bobby Brown, I'm Millie Bobby Tope. I don't see it. Okay. But she was just so nice to like play in on this stuff.

[B]

That was so cute.

[A]

We were really like giggling and catching a vibe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Brand save Tana.

[A]

And it's so cool these opportunities too because I leave them and I like think to myself, oh my God, Tana Marie, aren't you so grateful that this is happening for you while you are a right minded individual? Like, I can't imagine how that would have gone if I was drunk Tana. Crazy Tana. I think that so many different things I'm doing in my life right now, I leave and I'm like drunk. Tana could have never done that. You know what I mean? You would have ruined that. You would have made a mess. You would have embarrassed yourself. It would have gone so differently. So it is, it's the universe.

[B]

I love that it's for you that you're like, like living a brand new life.

[A]

I am.

[B]

You're experiencing things, like, differently.

[A]

And I don't mean to seem, like, preachy on this podcast. I. I, like, I'm like, sober, sober, sober. I don't mean to keep saying that, but I do. For me, it is my journey and it's my truth. And I also think that there's not always a girl who's there for the crazy girls to tell the crazy girls. You can get out of it, too. You can change your destiny, still be fun. Yes. You can still have a great time.

[B]

Like, okay, you're still having a great time. That's important to know.

[A]

I'm having more fun now, I think, than I've ever had in my entire life. Like, I. I'm happy and I don't regret things and I don't hate myself, and I don't.

[B]

I think that's a fear. It's like. But I'm so fun when I'm drunk or I'm high or whatever. And it's, like, scary to be sober because of that.

[A]

Getting sober does feel like there's this demon in the corner of the room that you're kind of, like, drinking or abusing substances to get away from. And when you go sober, you have to meet that demon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And shake hands with it and get to know it. And. And you know.

[B]

We'll be right back after the break. I know. I've been talking about protein, fitness, wellness a lot lately. I even posted this past weekend, kind of a before and after of, you know, how I improved my body since giving birth, which has. Which is. Oh, my God, tomorrow Lenny's gonna be a year and a half for today. Today is a year and a half. Like, when you guys hear this. Anyway, it was hard. It was hard to change eating habits, habits, get in shape and do all those things when my body has changed. Like, this is after a second baby. Hormones are different. Everything's different. And I learned so much. Like, I, in the process, like, learned, like, how to eat better. Like, I used to not even focus an entire meal around protein. Like, I could have an entire meal, no protein in it. I didn't get the concept. Like, sometimes my brain really develops later, you know, Like, I didn't get the concept of, like, protein. Carbs, fat, fiber, like, it's all just clicking now. 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[A]

I don't feel like I have to filter myself.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If I feel like I want to say something or I have something that I want to say, I am always going to say it. That is who I am to my core. Like truly, I'm always going to be authentically myself and say what's on my mind and say the fucking truth. Like that is that is who I am. But at the same time time, I think it just comes naturally with the frontal lobe and the loving of your life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To where it's like I look back at things I Was doing and saying. And I'm like, I have the ick so bad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm like, why were you doing that? Get her a muzzle. Somebody tranquilize her now. Like, it's. It's more that where I'm just like, I'm not as inclined to be as obnoxious or what?

[B]

Like a viral moment that you had that you. You cringe at the most.

[A]

Oh, my God. It's really hard. Can I hit my vape on your phone?

[B]

Yeah. I was gonna ask if you have any vices.

[A]

Yes, I do.

[B]

You mind the. The vape in there? No.

[A]

Thank you. Thank God for you. Okay. Yes. I'm still working through things. People know, the fans know. I. That's the other thing, too. I. I never want to seem holier than now.

[B]

Like, I have it all figured out.

[A]

I just. I'm just growing.

[B]

I've grown.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

Okay, so there's vapes. Are there, like, figs, too? Okay.

[A]

I prefer my lungs to be filled with some flavored.

[B]

Yeah, you. Like. Like a.

[A]

You know, there are nicotine pouches and stuff like that. I've definitely chilled out on this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not so much that I can't not hit it on your podcast, but.

[B]

Yeah, you're not like, all day waking up to it, and I'm trying. Okay.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

So. What is a viral moment that you cringe at the most to pick one is actually like, Bryce paparazzi.

[A]

I actually say it's funny. That one's up there. That one's really up there.

[B]

Yeah. Why? I didn't. Okay, okay, okay. If I wasn't in that moment, and I wasn't. Okay. And I. Good for you.

[A]

Hey, good on you for not being there.

[B]

And it's like. It's like, let's say I'm an alien. I came from outer space.

[A]

Oh, my God. Go back.

[B]

And I see the Bryce, like, even the paparazzi team Bryce video, and people be like, what is that? Why is it viral? What would you answer? Why? Why?

[A]

I would tell them. What does Kendall Jenner say it was? Coachella 2016. It was the vibe. The thing is, is that with everything, I can look back and be like, you know what? That was my vibe at the time.

[B]

Right. What do you think you were wearing? Like, was it what you were wearing that made it?

[A]

No. Like, I could have been in, like, a silky, solid black nightgown and looking fabulous. And the problem was the words that were coming out of my mouth.

[B]

What? I mean, that was so crazy, though.

[A]

Bryce hall was boxing this was at the time of influencer boxing and he was going to fight Austin McBroom and I was team Bryce on God. And even the paparazzi was as well. And God. Even that. It. No, it does make me want to die a little. I'm not going to sit here and lie to you. Like, good God. Like, oh, my God. But it's just. It's a story arc for sure. And now, you know, I mean, I see people dressing up as it for Halloween. And, like, I can pay homage to all of these things. The toothbrush.

[B]

Halloween, by the way, that I know.

[A]

And I love gay. Gay. Halloween's been around forever. It just now made it to mainstream this year. Okay. I've. I've been riding for gay.

[B]

I saw another, like, Halloween. Was it like the Tanacon stuff that made you laugh that you were.

[A]

People were dressing up as that?

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Oh, my God. It all. I appreciate that we. Because I also. You know what I think it is? I think when influencers or celebrities refuse to be in on a joke about them and, like, detested and throw a tantrum and they're like, you guys. It just makes it worse. It's like, this is. I can objectively say that that is funny. Okay. Like, what was I saying? What was I wearing? What was I doing for so many of my moments? And it's like, I would just be lying if I was not like, you're funny for that. I think funny, like, rec. Funny has to recognize funny if you want to be a funny person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You gotta recognize when someone else is being.

[B]

Well, look at the Kardashians. And like, you know, Kim just posted all the negative reviews about her Hulu show.

[A]

And how iconic is that?

[B]

Because no one can. I love the show that. That it's not iconic that she posted that.

[A]

You know, I love the show too. I think people. It's like, they just don't get it. They literally. It's like, it's Kim Kardashian. She's acting as herself. It's campus. She's dressed amazing. That's half of the show. It's for the girls. You know, the plot lines are these, like, insane, astronomical divorces. Like, I'm obsessed.

[B]

You're obsessed. I love it.

[A]

I just. People just love to put their Rotten Tomatoes hat on and start reviewing.

[B]

I know. I used to be a very big Rotten Tomatoes girl.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Like, every time before watching something, I'd be like, how much did it get? But then now you have the audience score versus, like, the actual critics. I'm like, who do I care about? You know?

[A]

And it's all objective.

[B]

Like, I don't.

[A]

I don't. I'm not sitting there trying to be Scorsese and say, oh, my God, Kim's acting in that scene. No, I'm. I'm obsessed with the fashion. I can't.

[B]

Tell me about this boyfriend or about.

[A]

To hit two years.

[B]

Two years. Makoa. Makoa, how'd you meet?

[A]

She is perfect, okay? He is frolicking the streets right now, and I'm so happy for him to have a little New York moment because he's been going everywhere with me. We met in Hawaii and you were on vacay. Met in Hawaii. We actually. I have a gay best friend named Mokoa. So I'm. I collect Makoa's like, infinity Stones.

[B]

That is crazy.

[A]

And I've known gay Makoa and I have to refer to them this way. It's the only way it works, okay? And he hates it, by the way. He's like, I never wanted to be gay Makoa my whole life. And like, fans come up to him, they're like, you're gay Makoa.

[B]

But we have like a very brother.

[A]

Sister relationship, so it's funny to us.

[B]

But. But he is gay.

[A]

He's gay. Gay Makoa's gay. He's gonna hate this Gameco. I've known him for like, almost like eight years now. Like, something crazy. I've known him for a very long time, and I was at a really low place in my life and I was like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go to Hawaii. I think it was one of the, like 90 times I wanted to get sober and failed. And I was like. And I've always just felt very called to Hawaii. I love it there. It is so peaceful. It's the exact opposite of the life that we live here on the mainland. You know what I mean? It is so amazing. And the people and the culture and the way they take care of the environment. I love Hawaii so, so much. And so I get out there, I hit up gay Mokoa. I'm like, hey, I there. Come see me. And he brought his friends and he brought. And I jokingly on the phone too. I was like, bring me a boyfriend. And he. My Makoa gets there. And I didn't know him yet, but I was just immediately so enamored. He is so beautiful. I mean, I think in my head, in the moment, I was kind of like, I. I want to this hot surfer, right? I Definitely didn't. I wasn't thinking, like, this is my husband. I didn't know yet. And then we all go out to a dinner and we get absolutely hammered and gay Mokoa is sitting behind me in this big wooden chair and he's like rocking it and the peg of the chair goes like through my toe and just like breaks my big toe. And it was so awful. And my straight makoa, my makoa immediately just steps up to the plate. It's like he doesn't know me from anywhere. You know, we just met an hour ago and I was flirting with him. We had just kissed and I was like, oh my God, this is the biggest block ever. This up my vibe, like I'm not getting laid tonight. I'm so over it. I have to go to the hospital in Hawaii. Like this man's never gonna want me.

[B]

And I was, it's such a turn off to have to go to the hospital.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Like it just killing the vibe, you know. But he carried me around like the rest of the trip and he took care of me and he like just like waited on me hand and foot. That like just, that's who he is, that's his character. Regardless. And across that we just started to get to know each other. And I remember the moment, it was probably like a week and a half in. I was like, oh no, you. I'm not, I don't want to just you, I. You're amazing.

[B]

You're so romantic, you're.

[A]

And you're so intelligent and you're so smart and you're so calm and you're everything that I'm not. And I think he's also. He wasn't everything I was looking for. I had this like docket of a list of what I wanted in a man, you know, I was like, I want this and this and this and this. And he's. I wasn't thinking. I want a responsible man. I want a peaceful man. I want a calm man. I want like a quiet man, you know? And yeah, it just, he's perfect. We balance each other out so well and.

[B]

Are you in Hawaii like full time now?

[A]

I'm not in Hawaii full time. I bought a place in Maui and it's right by his family's house and we go there and it's so, so amazing. And I mean it's funny now when I, whenever I'm anywhere, everyone's like, do you live in Hawaii full time? I'm like, I wish I still have to Do I still have to conquer and do eventually. I mean, I would love to raise kids there even just seeing.

[B]

This is the second time we've talked about kids on this pod.

[A]

T. Oh, my God. I'm not ready yet. I. I just.

[B]

I do think there it's. It. But it's like brewing is even a strong word.

[A]

Okay. Like, it's not brewing.

[B]

Like. Like we're talking like in your 30s, you would consider.

[A]

I always thought I wanted to be a young parent, and now I'm like, oh, my God. That I like for me, you know, just because especially with everything I went through in my childhood, I. It is my life's mission. I will see to it that I am the best, most emotionally intelligent, caring, incredible mom that I can be. And until I've read every book and done everything, and I know you can't fully prepare for it, but until I've really. I'm really confident that I'm in that place, I won't be bringing any life into the world.

[B]

Do you think he is the one, though? Yes. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I do.

[B]

You think you're gonna get married? Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I hope so.

[B]

I mean, are you, like, ready? Like, hello, Are you ready now? No. Like, if you got down on money now, yes. Right.

[A]

Like, I. I love him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I know the destiny. You know what I mean? But I think that we both are at this place, one where we're like, enjoying dating. I never realized how much there was like, a societal. Like the second you hit the year and a half mark with someone.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And people are coming up to you, like, fisting you about, like, getting. When are you gonna get married? And it's like, oh, My God, I'm 27.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have the rest of my life.

[B]

That is true.

[A]

And do you know what it is? It's not that I'm afraid of marriage at all or anything. If I could snap my fingers and we just like, were, I think I would. But it's like the second that he's engaged, we're planning an engagement, we're planning a wedding, we're doing all these things. And being engaged, at least I hear from a lot of my friends, is the most magical time of your life. And I want to ensure that I have. Have more free time to really enjoy that. I want to planning a wedding to be like, the only thing I'm doing. I don't want to be like, planning a wedding and then like doing a tart collab and they feel like the same thing. And it's like, I'M picking, like, what shades of plates and curtains for the tart party. But then I'm also doing the same thing for my wedding, and it feels like this work thing.

[B]

Truly. No rush, though. Yeah, truly. I agree with that.

[A]

Because it's like, I want to be. I want to be, like, lackadaisical at that time and be like, oh, my, this is so magical. What linens do we want in our way? You know? It's like, I don't want to do that right now. I'm tired.

[B]

Okay, really quick. Go down. Some interesting moments that you've had. Oh, good. Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You dressing as Alabama Barker for Halloween?

[A]

I wish Paige was here with us because she's here in New York, and she's just not here right now. My best friend Paige, she is such a sweetheart. She was my assistant for a long time, and now she has the natural road of progression, I think, when working for Tana Mongeau is to then move into content creation.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And she's now doing that. And. And she knows I'm in my peace era. And she calls me. I'm in Hawaii, I'm on the beach. I answer, I'm like, what's up? She's like, you're never gonna wanna do this, but I'm begging you on my hands and knees, please, please, just step out of retirement. Be crazy for the night. You love a crazy costume. You love a funny costume. And I do. She got me in my sweet spot. I love a fucking silly Halloween costume. And it worked so well.

[B]

Wait, so she just had this idea for you to do.

[A]

She was like, I'm gonna be Bhad Bhabie. You're gonna be Alabama. You're already. You've got the blonde wig, like, you know how to do the glam.

[B]

And you were like, fine.

[A]

Later, after several, several phone calls. And I can recognize good content when I see it. And I didn't. I. I. On the harmless meter. It felt okay, so.

[B]

But no beef with her?

[A]

No.

[B]

Did she care?

[A]

She didn't care. There was definitely a point in time where I was definitely. And I mean, you can see this in my digital footprint. Disgruntled with some things that Alabama had to say. Say. But at the same time, I think.

[B]

That, well, you have, like, past beef with her.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I hate beef.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it was. I was more just like, damn, why did you have to say that? Like, she talked about hurt. Honestly.

[B]

She talked about you?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. In one of her lives.

[A]

I think this was pre live. I don't know. Yeah. Someone Said that her and I look alike. And she said, I don't know her exact verbiage. Okay. But she was not pleased with that. She was dissatisfied with that. And she had previously messaged me, kind of asking for hair girls and nail girl and stuff. And I was like, you asked for them? The. The setup. And now, you know, it's. I was just, like, a little upset. But I also now, I think can be like, oh, my God, Tana, think about how awful and insane you were.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

At those young years, maybe you weren't doing that. I was never kind of about people's looks or saying things like that, but I was definitely saying such insane things and doing such insane things that I'm.

[B]

Like, you gotta feel like it was, like, closure.

[A]

I can't. Yeah. I'm, like, closing the loop almost now. It's like, when these younger girls are saying and doing things, I'm just like, oh, my God. I would be such a hypocrite to be sitting where I am in this phase of my life and not give grace to, like, other young girls who are maybe in more wild eras.

[B]

What is the dumbest thing you've spent an absurd amount of money on?

[A]

I took the private jet era too far.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes. Oh, my God. And it's like, do you think you're Barack Obama? Do you think that you are just so above TSA that you must take.

[B]

What you were taking? PJs everywhere.

[A]

Yeah. Yes. Yes. And I mean, it was the. Of era, too. So it was like. It just. Everything was so flashy, and I. That's what I wanted to be like. You know, just. It was. Some of those. Could have been Southwest, for sure.

[B]

What about the oic? Because you've had this OIC moment where you were like, manjaro. No, I'm just kidding. The Manjaro era.

[A]

I'm just kidding.

[B]

Where you were, were talking about everybody doing it. Right. Saying, like, not being against it, but whatever. And then you were like, it. I'm gonna try it. Like, where are you at with it right now? You said it, didn't.

[A]

It was kind of one of those things where I was seeing everyone try it. And I did want to try it, because I do think that I'm the type of person who eats for dopamine. Like, a crazy person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Like, I. And I'm just like. I don't know how to put it into words. Like, I. Sometimes I do think my relationship with food is unhealthy, I guess. Like, I'm overeating. I'm eating too much stuff. I'm, like, just not being good to my body or myself. And when I found out that there was something that can kind of help your brain chemistry in your stomach and all those things, I was kind of like, I've tried everything else under the sun. I'm gonna put this in my arm. And the thing is, is it's funny because I talked about it, and now, obviously, people are coming to me. Like, I'm like the spokesperson, and I'm like, everyone in LA is on it. Everyone in New York is on it. Everyone.

[B]

Everyone is on it.

[A]

On it, you know? And I think it's good. I don't think anyone should do anything for their body that they don't want to do. You know what I mean? It's. It's a personal thing, but I do have a toxic relationship with it because, like, any quick fix, there are negatives.

[B]

You know, like, you didn't feel great on it. You.

[A]

You don't feel great on it. And there's definitely nights where you're, like, laying up and you're like, what is in my bloodstream? And, like, it's so strange to, like, look at your favorite food in the entire world and be like, I'm not hungry. I don't want to want that. And it's like, it's. It rewires a lot of things. Like, I crave kale on Mounjaro. Like, when I'm on Manjaro, I'm like, God, a superfood salad sounds amazing right now because that's fuel for my body. And then I get off of it, and I'm like, crunch. Wrap in bed now. Like, it's.

[B]

I saw your Chili's video, and I have to tell you something.

[A]

Tell. Now.

[B]

I've never had chilies, and I'm not.

[A]

Gonna do the Jake Shane thing again where I just start screaming at the top of my lungs. But it's just like, we need to divide society into people who have had it and people who have it. And I just. You know, but at the same time, I can't. I do understand that some people aren't like, chain restaurant baddies like me. Some people.

[B]

I don't think I've had Olive Garden either.

[A]

Do you feel satisfied with yourself when you sleep at night? That's. That's what I want to know. Are you okay with this?

[B]

I need to go on a. I. I need to go on a tour.

[A]

Do you eat really healthy?

[B]

I try to.

[A]

Okay, what is your. What is your advice?

[B]

Like, your bad food My vice would.

[A]

Be like, what's the meal?

[B]

So I know you're gonna make fun of me, but it's like, literally like a penne a la vodka.

[A]

Oh, my God. See, And I love New York bitches, you know what I mean? Because she's sitting here in a light pink quarter zip saying her bad meal is penne alla vodka.

[B]

And that's.

[A]

That's cunt. Okay? That is. Oh, my God, that is. I ate that last night and I was like, I am a health guru. Okay?

[B]

Listen, I get down with like a Big Mac. Don't get me wrong.

[A]

There we go.

[B]

Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. And in my healthy era, I just posted the other week, like, I'll, like, take off the buns, I'll eat the Big Mac. Give me the sauce. That's all I need.

[A]

Okay? I am all for a protein style burger. Okay?

[B]

All for it.

[A]

And in n out protein. I know you guys don't have that, but even, like, Shake Shack does a good lettuce wrap burger. Love it, love it. But when I was just gluten free, I went to McDonald's. It was like, just gluten free. When I was just gluten free and my short little lapse of that, I went to McDonald's. And obviously nothing on the McDonald's menu is gluten free, so I decided to try that. And I do like to do that everywhere else. And I ordered a McDonald's cheeseburger and I took those buns off and I went into that meat. It was me and that meat girl. Okay? And it's the bun.

[B]

Really?

[A]

The bun is like the face tune for the burger. Okay? It really saves it. It is the most 3D printed inside of a burger that I've ever seen in my entire life. I felt like I was eating like a children's nose toy. So there's no way. You just have big masks without the bun all the time.

[B]

But it has a lot of sauce. That's what I'm saying. So it masks it. Okay. The Franklin Jonas. Having your name tattooed.

[A]

Frankie Jonas.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Well, he's Franklin Jonas too, right?

[B]

Is he? Yeah.

[A]

I think officially Franklin just sounds so, like Roosevelt, like, so fancy.

[B]

Well, I also, like, erased him from the Jonas family because, oh, my God.

[A]

Poor thing, he's never.

[B]

I forgot about him. Forgot about him. I was like, no. I literally was like, watching something with the Jonas Brothers and I was like, is this my sign to have three kids? And then people were like, like, there's a fourth Brother. So it was just in time to go down the lore of his tattoo. Your name.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Did you. How did you find this out? Is he removing it? Why did he do it? Is he a super? Is he a stalker?

[A]

No, he's not. He's. He's so amazing, by the way. He is, like, just so funny and so sweet and so down to earth and incredible. I love Frankie Jonas. Okay. I think. I don't actually really remember how you found out it. Well, no, I remember when I found out, but I think the precursor was, like, he maybe posted a video saying he was gonna get a tattoo, and I said my name or something. And then I remember it was Christmas Eve, and I was staying in a cabin in Breckenridge, Colorado.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The snowflakes are falling. It's a beautiful evening. I'm surrounded by the people I love. And Frankie Jonas posted that he had just gotten my name tattooed on his leg. And I'm like, it's Christmas Eve, so I'm imagining he's also with Nick, Joe, and Kevin.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They're surrounded by the fire and the ones they love. And I'm like, why? What the hell is going on? What is my life? And then I just. I. I don't think about it often.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And occasionally. And I've asked him why. He doesn't really know why. I don't think he has any intent of lasering it, which I think is so sweet and iconic. That a Jonas brother, not one of the. You know, but Adrian, his brother has my name tattooed on them, and he is amongst the list of many people who have my name tattooed. Yeah. I went through. I don't know how it's happened. A lot of people have my name tattooed on them. And shout out to all of those people.

[B]

Iconic. Yeah. For the most part.

[A]

I'm still close with many of them. I feel bad for the people who have it and who we now hate each other. Thank you.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Thank you for having me.

[B]

Thank you for coming on. I'm so happy for this new era. Really?

[A]

You are. So. I love. Really?

[B]

Let's go back to me.

[A]

No, you're a really talented interviewer, and this was. I was so excited when my team was like, do you want to go on her podcast? I was like, yes. I want to sit where Kris Jenner sat.

[B]

I'm. I was so excited, too.

[A]

You're an icon. And thank you.

[B]

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