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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hi, guys. What's up? What's up? What's what up? What up? It's the first episode of 2026. I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna be all, like, time is crazy. I do that every episode and I'm done with it. Anyway. Welcome to Not Skinny But Not Fat. I am your host, Amanda Hirsch, and we're in 2026, babies. We're in 2026. Everyone's like, it's 2026. What else do we do when it's a new year? Well, I guess, like, when we were in school, we used to write it wrong for the first six months. That's me. But what else? What else is changing with the new year, aside from us, me, but also you guys. Please join me in continuing the Year of Yes vibes, because we are. It's so funny. I'm, like, eating this really, like, genetically modified bar right now. I won't call the brand out. And I'm like, I have. I'm. You know, people are like, I'm 80, 20, like 80 clean. Like, if I would look at the ingredients, I'd probably not eat it. But, like, I just don't feel like anything. I'm like, my husband, bless his heart, made like, chicken the other day, drum, drumsticks. And I was like, tearing away at a drumstick, trying to put in a salad right now. Disgusted with the bones all of a sudden. And I put it over, like, some baby spinach, and then I added this, like, avocado oil based salad dressing. Which, like, is better for you, right? Avocado oil. Yuck. A rama, you guys. Like, I'm so gross. I just feel like I don't know what to eat. So, like, after eating that gross ass salad, I ate a GMO bar. Like, I've never said GMO because you only say, like, non GMO to, like, say something is good. But here I am eating full gmo and I know my. I. I have those protein chips that I like. They're GMO. I'm fudgeing GMO'd up you guys lately, and I don't wanna be, but, like, I just feel like when you're trying to be healthy and eat well, nothing is really that yummy. So then you gotta put in some, like, yummy gmo. You get it? You get it? I will say little things make me happy. Like, I'm drinking a chai tea, added some, like, creamer, some, like, vanilla creamer. That makes me happy. My coffee in the morning makes me really happy. A yogurt with, like, some protein powder mixed in. Listen, you do what you got to do. Like my nutritionist, literally, I follow her. We work together for a few months. Like, now we're not, like, working together, but I follow her on Instagram. Like, she just posted yesterday, like, to go snack. It's like an egg piece of chicken and like, pieces of cucumber. But that's why I liked her, because that was, like, attainable, you know? Like, it's not like a snack that looks like I could never make it or get my hands on. It's like I was like, I could fudgeing an egg in a f cucumber if I have to. Anyway, so happy 2026. I'm going into 202026 with positive vibes, positive energy, with freezing in New York, trying to run away. I literally booked. We're in January now, but, like, I'm pre recording this. So, like, I booked a vacation for tomorrow, today. Okay. Because I was like, it's so cold. I need to get out. And we could talk about the whole type B personality. If I am, I don't know. But I need to start booking vacations ahead of time. I suck so fucking bad at that. It's wild. I did start heated rivalry. It's everything that everybody was saying it was going to be like, give it to me. Give it all to me. Give me fudgeing. Give me the whole thing. Give me that Story guy, what's his name? Connor Story. Give it. Give him to me on a platter with that bum chicka bum bum. Okay? I love it. I love it all. I just love it all. I get it. And what can I get has busy with so I can watch the show properly without him, like, thinking I'm watching gay porn. Anyway, on today's pod. So I met this content creator at an event and I was. I knew her because I've seen her videos so many times. This reminded me of Conan Brian. I listened to Conan o' Brien's podcast the other day and like, he does. Everyone in podcasting does it now, where you think you're, like, surprising people with the guests, but at the same time, the guest's name is in the title of the pod. That you already know, but still we're like, tricking ourselves that you don't know. It's like this whole fucking fucked up thing where, like, he comes from late night TV where, like, everyone knew who was going to be on the show. So why are we doing this? Pretending. But we can't stop with the teasing and pretending and whatever. But this girl, see, I can stop. So I knew she created amazing content. I've seen it. Like, she's everywhere. She's huge in numbers. But only when I sat down next to her at this event, we had some champagne, she started telling me her life story, and it was so fascinating to me, and I was like, you need to come in the podcast. Anyway, her life story is super interesting. How she got to making content and getting millions and millions of followers and virtually every platform. I've seen her at work, like, making. I've seen her, like, do what she does, and I'm astounded. Like, the way I quote tation marks, create content and the way she creates content, very different. I'm like filming myself on the go, you know what I mean? Or doing my pod. But she's like, editing, like, her fingers work at, like an insane speed. And she's like a true as it comes content creator. I can't believe I have and said who she is, even though it's in the title of the pod. It's Haley Khalil. You may know her online as Haley Bailey. She's creating content with everyone from the Jonas Brothers to Jared Leto, she says. Super nice guy, by the way. And so interesting, like, how she got to this, how she got from Minnesota to New York to being this huge. What do we call it? Social media star. Does that age me? Anyway, super interesting story. She's super open about past relationships and so grateful to be here, which we love about that. So welcome, everybody. Welcome. Haley Khalil. Haley Khalil, welcome. How are you?
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I'm good. How about you?
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Good. I. You're in my mind as Haley Bailey.
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That's what everyone calls me. So the fact that you called me.
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Haley Khalil, I was like, wait, I mean, I'm giving. Like, we're official. We're in a blazer.
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I know.
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So corporate. We're corporate, so we're gonna go by first and last. You know what I mean? Yeah, but why Bailey then? Is that a middle name?
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A lot of people don't know, but my middle name is B. Like, not like the bumblebee, not like the letter B, like B, E, A. Because my dad loved the name Beatrice. And my mom was like, I'm not doing that to my kid. So they settled on B. And my nickname growing up was Haley Bailey. Haley B. Haley Bailey. And so when I created an Instagram account, I, like, didn't think I would ever be a content creator.
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Yeah.
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So I was like, okay, what's available? And I was like, haley Bailey. And then that wasn't available. So I was like, maybe add another E that wasn't available. I'm like, add a few more E's. Maybe a couple Y's. That was available. So that's why my username is so confusing.
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I mean, I'm not skinny, but not found my love. So, like, Haley with a few is like, is. You know, you're serving with yours.
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Yeah, you're serving.
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I'm surviving with mine.
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No, you're eating up the game.
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Thank you. So I'd love to that. I know that now because I never knew why you were. I was typing in all those letters. You know what I mean?
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Also think it's like my real name and now it's almost become my name. Like when people call me by my full form, it's weird for name. I'm like, who would you wish? She.
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Would you change it legally?
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No, just because, like, taxes are annoying. And like, if you have to change your name, like, it's just gets into some crazy paperwork.
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It is.
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I'm. I don't love paperwork.
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Okay.
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So I'm more of just like, if people want to call me Haley Bailey, I'm down. Yeah, I'm cool with that.
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So we met at the time.
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Time, time event.
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The time, the times. It was like persons of the year. Persons of the year. We sat next to each other. So that's how we met.
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Yeah.
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And you told me your whole life story. I, like, interviewed you and we drank.
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A lot of champagne.
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We did a pre interview. Literally, I was like. But basically without knowing champagne, I just kept chugging champagne.
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I'm going to tell my life story.
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No, you told me your life story. And it was so interesting and I was so happy to get to know you because I think so many people, like my sister is here today. Like, I don't think there is one person that hasn't seen the apartment tour that talks about apartment tour. Yeah, that's when viral.
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So viral.
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What year was that?
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That was when I first started. So that was end of 2022. Like October 2022. And yeah, now it's almost 2026.
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That's great. Four years. And then you had how Many followers. You were telling me.
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Oh, man. I had, like, no followers. I had followers. Well, that's a lie. I had followers, but they were mostly men because I was a model. So it's like I was posting what my agency wanted me to post or what I thought I was supposed to post as model, which was like, sexy girl, pretty hot girl.
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Is it still there? People like, oh, you didn't delete anything.
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I post a lot, so you're going to be scrolling.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But it's still all there. And that's kind of just like what I was posting, because it's what I thought I had to post as model.
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Yeah.
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So my entire following, I think, was like, 99% dudes, 1% women.
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Now it's flipped.
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Completely flipped.
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Really? Yeah. I've never been happy about the ratio.
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Yeah.
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So the ratio is low for men.
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Yeah.
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You think they left?
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Oh, I hope so. Cause, like, I mean, the guys that were there were looking at my body.
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Right.
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And like, sure. There's a time and a place for you to celebrate your body. I think that that's dope. I want people to feel confident in their own skin, but I felt kind of like in a cage during that time because I felt like I couldn't be myself. I couldn't, like, show my weird personality. I couldn't, like.
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Cause they're trying to be hot.
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Yeah. Cause I was trying to be, like, hot girl.
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Yeah.
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And it so wasn't me.
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It so wasn't.
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It was not me.
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So your personality came out in this apartment tour. Like, people noticed. Were you, like, trying to be funny or tell me no. Let's go more back. Is this. Are these apartment tours planned? Because if you see this guy, Caleb Simpson, then he'll come up to you on the street and be like, hey, can we go upstairs? So can you give us the BTS on that?
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With women, he's respectful. Right. Like, if a guy approached you on the street, would you necessarily allow him into your apartment as a woman in New York?
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Right.
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Most likely not if your survival skills are intact. So he had somebody reach out from his team who I guess they had seen, like, a picture posted that one of my friends had posted in front of my window. And so he reached out to her and said, whose apartment is this? And then from there we, like, got connected. But the first time I met him, after I made sure, like, he wasn't a killer, the first time I met him was when he toured my apartment. So that part is very real. He never saw it before. Oh, never saw the book before in it. I had never met him prior to the moment I met him on the street.
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Yeah.
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And so it is. It's just him and a phone. You go to this meeting spot, you make sure like, hey, you're Caleb Simpson and you're not going to murder me. Right. And then he comes into your apartment and that's. That's pretty much it.
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When he approached you about it, were you nervous to, like, show your apartment to, like, strangers online or did you have to, like, think about it for a second? You said yes right away. Like, what was the vibe?
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I mean, I love Internet. Like, I love Internet culture. I am an Internet watcher before, I am a creator, even though, like I post like 87 times a day. So like now I'm a creator. But when I first started, I just love short form media. I love comedy, I love comedy sketches. I loved snl. So I knew who Caleb was. And so when they contacted me, I was like, yo, this is sick. I get to be on the apartment guys thing. Like, I scrubbed my apartment. Scrubbed. I like rearranged the fridge, made sure all the labels were facing forward.
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Like, even if your apartment was dirty, it would still. I feel like it's one of his. Is it his, like, top performing video?
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I don't know.
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Okay. I wondered.
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He's got a lot of bangers though.
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He does. But I do feel like that's a very memorable one because let me tell you guys, like, the friend's apartment doesn't exist in New York and Haley's apartment pretty much doesn't exist in New York. Like, even if you'll see like a rich, rich person's apartment, it won't look like that. It would look like more like just like upscale and maybe fancy and bigger. But yours is, has like personality, you know.
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It didn't look like that though, when I first found it. Like, it was, it was pretty beat up. It was one of the only apartments in the complex. So there's only like eight apartments in that whole complex, which I love because it's really private. And it was the only one that hadn't been renovated. So a lot of the stuff that I did to it, like I did to it, I fixed the kitchen. I like, put on all the knobs myself. I painted stuff. Stuff. So, like, I'm really glad that people like it because I've tried to make it as homey as possible. But I loved the window. When I first walked in, I was like, I. This is, this is the sanctum satorum. Like, hello, Dr. Strange. I have to have this apartment.
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So when you moved to New York, you moved to be. To. To.
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To model.
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To model, yeah. What, you had an agency, you grew up where?
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So I grew up in Minnesota.
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Minnesota.
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Never really thought any of the. Ever thought this was. Would be my life. Of course I idolized fashion. I idolized short form media. I idolized YouTubers. I loved, like everything online. I just didn't think I would ever have access to it. Yeah, and my parents would have also probably never let me start a YouTube channel under the age of 18, like ever. They were like, no education.
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You came from, like a conservative home, right?
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Not even conservative, just very like. They're not big city folk.
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They're.
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They're Minnesotans. They're like, they know what they do. My dad's in manufacturing, My sister is an attorney, my brother's an engineer. So they're very. Just like, I guess like normal midwestern family. And I remember when I was little, I told my mom I wanted to go to one of those castings for Disney Channel, and she was like, nah, nah, you're gonna get messed up. Like, nah. But that was always my dream. I loved performing. And so I went to school for biomedical engineering psych with minor in chem. So I was planning on medical school.
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Literally. Like, you wanted to be a doctor.
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I wanted to be a doctor. And my best friend is a doctor. We were on the same path. So she's a pediatrician. And now she looks at me and she's like, you're so lucky you aren't a doctor.
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And also, like, what were you thinking? Like, you know what I mean? Like, do you feel now like, were you kind of trying to, like, put away this dream because your parents weren't that into it or like, because you thought you couldn't do it? Like, I'll be. Because how does someone with this much, like, pizzazz, right? That is like screaming online all day, like, how did you think you were gonna be in a completely different.
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I. I guess I just never, like, touched entertainment. No one in my family was in entertainment. No one even remotely like, lives anywhere besides Minnesota. So, like, we're.
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It's.
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It feels so unattainable, right? And I think that that's one of the reasons why, like, my life feels like a blur the last couple years. Because I'm just amazed I'm even doing this. Like, I'm stoked. I'm so stoked I want to do this for the rest of my life. But, like, it didn't feel like Something I could ever achieve.
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So how did modeling happen?
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I. So I submitted to Sports Illustrated Swim Search. I swear, I owe Meta my life for, like, making my life happen. Because it was on Instagram.
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Yeah.
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A couple of my friends were doing it, and they were like, hey, SI Swimsuit's holding their first ever open casting call. You should submit. We're making videos. I'm, like, sick. I'll submit. And so I think I made my account, like, un private for it so they could see the video. And it's just me, like, sitting on a bed, talking in the camera.
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No.
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Oh, God, no. No. I'm like, sweatpants.
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Okay. So they do the swimsuit search. Not in the swim. Not. Yeah.
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I mean, there are certain people that, like, do an entire, like, beautiful montage of them, like, running.
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You were really in sweatpants.
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I was really into. It's still on my Instagram.
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Okay.
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You can find it.
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Wait, so you did this video, you posted it, and you won and I.
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So, like, nothing happened. It had maybe. I don't know, it had, like, a hashtag. So people were, like, creeping on the hashtag. I was creeping on the hashtag.
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Yeah.
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I was like, who's my competition? Dang it. They're all so hot. I'm screwed.
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Yeah.
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And then randomly, I was getting ready to move from Minnesota to Charlotte. I was packing up my house. I was with my mom. I get this DM from Sports Illustrated Swimsuit. And it's got the blue check mark.
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Yeah.
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And we all know if it's got the blue check mark. It's not a lie.
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Yeah.
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And they were like, hey, we saw your. Your casting, and we want to invite you to the casting in New York. And so, of course, I was like, what? Like, oh, my God. And I flew out to New York. I did the entire casting. It was like, a year and a half long process of, like, shooting in Miami, walking Miami Swim Week, then shooting in Belize with the top six. And then Camille Kostic and I ended up winning the entire thing. In Vegas, they surprised us with the news that we had won the first ever SI search.
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Yeah. And what year was that?
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That was 2018.
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Wow.
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I feel like I've lived, like, wait, so it was a bunch of lives.
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That was. You finished the. The bio. Bio.
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Biomedical bio.
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Yeah. So you did that. But you know what I feel about you, because it reminds me of me in that sense, is like, you knew you wanted something. Yes. You weren't. What I call it, like, and my listeners know is like, you weren't, like, sleeping in your Car for it. Right. Like the actors that we hear of. Whatever. But you were like, throwing these little, like, you know, throwing your hat in the ring kind of.
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Yeah.
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For the things that you can, like, okay, submit. I could submit. You know, like the things that didn't require you to, like, uproot your life, move, you know, without your parents, like, being into whatever you're like, I could do that. I could do that. And then you have it so starts happening.
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Yeah, it was. It was like I. I watched a lot of people on YouTube. I think that's why I liked YouTubers.
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What did you love?
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Jenna Marbles.
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Okay.
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I was obsessed with Jenna Marbles. Obviously, that was the entire reason why I wanted to be a YouTuber. Because she was just a person, like a normal person that acted and behaved normally. She had, like, no connections to entertainment. She was just her. And I think that's what was so likable about her, because she just was like a real person. And I think growing up, especially without social media, it felt like the entertainment industry, although I loved it, they weren't real people to me. They were like untouchable characters.
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Right.
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And so Jenna made it seem like, oh, wait, a normal person can just, like, grab a random camera that is like they spend 100 bucks on and start making a life for themselves and start making a career for themselves.
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I. Again, like, it's weird. I didn't feel like any of this was possible, yet a part of me was, like, delusional and was like, but maybe. Maybe I'm analytical, right? So I was like, the same thing as you just said. Whenever an opportunity presents itself, I'm gonna toss my hat and do it, of course. But am I gonna pack up everything, move to la, ignore my family? The odds of that working out for me are probably not great. So I'm just gonna stick with what I know. I love medicine. I love medicine. I find the human body fascinating. And so that passion carried me through everything. But of course, on the side, whenever there was any little thing.
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Any little thing. Hi. So the apartment tour is really, like, you credit that to, like, the moment.
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Yeah, no, I. I tell Caleb all the time, I'm like, thank you for giving me a platform where I could be visible to people.
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Yeah.
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Because I never in a million years imagined it would go that viral either.
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A
Yeah. And do you see? Like, what were the numbers?
- [24:27]
B
I think in like, five hours, it was like 55 million views or something Crazy.
- [24:31]
A
And then what were your followers going up? Like, was it like 100k in the day?
- [24:35]
B
Oh, I hit a million, like, right after. I mean, pretty fast. And I think the one thing that surprised me was, what were you at?
- [24:41]
A
No, I need to understand.
- [24:42]
B
I was at maybe 150,000. It was all dudes from, like. I had, like, One viral euphoria trend thing that I did, it was a transition where you, like, fall back and you turn into the world of euphoria. That was, like, pandemic. I had, like.
- [24:54]
A
So you're saying you went from about 150k to, like, 1 million from. From this apartment overnight.
- [25:00]
B
And the thing that surprised me was I was used to a world where, like, it was men. In my comment section, it was men talking about my body, talking about my face, talking, you know, over sexualizing me, pretty much, which, like, I put myself in that position, so I don't judge them for that. But this was women in. In the comment section of Caleb's video, and it was women being like, yo, I vibe with her. And that was, like, one of the first times in my life that a community of women were like, wait, she's cool. And I was like, wait, I am. Wait, what? And the second that happened, I was like, yo, I'm gonna be myself. Because women get that. Yeah, women, I. I'm gonna take off all of these things that I learned in modeling for, like, how men are supposed to perceive me, and I'm just gonna be me because, oh, my gosh, women. Women are vibing with me, just being me. And that's, like, a really, really, really good feeling.
- [25:47]
A
And you were telling me when we met that you before, like, two seconds before the meeting, Caleb, you were gonna leave New York.
- [25:54]
B
Yeah, I had. I had two weeks left on the apartment. It was an apartment that I had with an ex that he could afford. I could not. So I literally had two weeks left on the lease. I was getting ready to move. I was getting ready to move home in with my mom because I didn't really have much money to, like, invest in anything else, but I did have a savings of about, like, 200,000. That was like, my. Oh, my gosh, I need to restart my life. I need to find a new career, and this needs to last me however long it takes for me to find my next thing.
- [26:26]
A
Yeah.
- [26:26]
B
And I remember after the apartment tour went viral, I was on the phone with my mom, and I was like, this is the only thing people know me for is an apartment that I cannot afford and I will not own in two weeks. And I have enough to re sign one lease, but that is my entire livelihood. It's everything I've ever made in modeling. It was everything I ever made in my immunology lab that I worked at prior should I do this? And I still have, like, the notes app of my budget, like, everything I had to Budget out everything. Everything. And she was like, listen, if you think you can do it, do it. If. If you don't, then move home and invest that money in a different way. And I resigned the lease.
- [27:03]
A
Wow, that's psycho.
- [27:04]
B
It's psycho. It's.
- [27:05]
A
No, it's like, chills. Because it's like. Because what you're saying, the way you put it was like, if this went viral and two weeks later, you're not in that apartment, nobody's going to care. And also, you look kind of, like, fraudulent. Yeah. And I felt like people would be like, wait, does she not live there?
- [27:23]
B
Yes.
- [27:23]
A
So you had this going on in your mind because if two people saw the video, you could do whatever, like, move back. No one would know.
- [27:29]
B
Yes.
- [27:30]
A
But because it went so crazy, you had to, like, upkeep this.
- [27:34]
B
It was like, the only thing people knew me for. They were like, you're the apartment girl. And so I thought, okay, logically, right? Because I'm. I studied science. I'm very logical in, like, how I think. And I was like, okay, logically, I move out of this thing, they're not gonna have any idea who I am. They're gonna be like, wait, what? Like. And that's. It's hard to already make an impact and, like, be a real person on the Internet. It's just tough because you have, like, a screen in the way. Right. I wanted to give myself the best shot of people getting to actually know me without being confused by, like, all of these moving parts that were happening in my life. Because my life at that point was. Was not in a great place, like, I had just gotten out of. Well, actually, during the apartment tour, I was still in a very abusive relationship, and I mentally was not.
- [28:19]
A
This was not your ex. To clarify, this was a new boyfriend.
- [28:22]
B
This was a boyfriend? Yes. Yes, this was. This was a boyfriend.
- [28:25]
A
Is this a boyfriend that you referenced? Because I've seen a lot of your videos. Like, when you talk about being in an abusive relationship, is it that X? Because I was like, I'm hoping there wasn't, like, another one after that.
- [28:38]
B
I have a bad picker. My friends like to say, no, I've dealt, of course, as any girl has, with a lot of emotional abuse in relationships, cheating, all of that stuff. But no one of my exes was physically abusive. And that's what I was going through during the apartment tour. And that's why in my first billionaire boyfriend, I have a cast on my wrist because. Yeah, domestic violence.
- [28:59]
A
Wow. I'm so sorry about that. Did you ever did you go to the police?
- [29:03]
B
Yes. Yeah. I filed domestic violence charges. Yeah.
- [29:05]
A
And.
- [29:06]
B
And we're good. I mean, it.
- [29:08]
A
It's.
- [29:08]
B
He hasn't come back into my life. I'm really grateful for that. I hope. I honestly hope, and I say this truthfully, that I hope that the success I've had after that, that he sees. Because he had a real hatred, I think, for women just from his past, that he sees that he should treat women better because we're capable of a lot more than he ever thought we were kind of thing.
- [29:31]
A
Yeah.
- [29:32]
B
But it was a hard time in my life. And I truly credit the women in my comment section in the apartment tour. I don't want to get emotional when I talk about this. It's, like, hard to talk about. I credit them with saving my life.
- [29:47]
A
Wow.
- [29:47]
B
Completely and totally. Because I never felt seen by women.
- [29:51]
A
Were you one of those girls that women like, it was hard for other girls to be friends with you because you were like, oh, I hope not.
- [29:58]
B
I mean, it was more like I grew up super nerdy, and I was kind of like an outcast. And my best friend who has been my best friend since kindergarten. Her name is Lindsay. She's the doctor.
- [30:09]
A
Oh, she's the pediatrician.
- [30:11]
B
She's the pediatrician. The greatest person in the world. It was like us against the world because I grew up in. In an environment where a lot of families had a lot of money, and me and Lindsay, like, didn't really come from that. And we were kind of like the nerdy outcasts in high school and in middle school and elementary school. And so I just was always scared of making friendships outside of Lindsay. And that's why I think in modeling, I embraced that world so much because I was like, oh, well, men are giving me attention. And. And no one's ever come to me and given me attention like this before. This must be what I'm supposed to pursue.
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A
Got you.
- [30:44]
B
And then in the apartment tours, the first time women, like, were nice to a constraint.
- [30:49]
A
What were, like, comments that, like, meant the most to you that you saw on the apartment?
- [30:53]
B
Oh, like, I just. I want to be her best friend.
- [30:56]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [30:56]
B
Or like, yo, I vibe with her. Or like, her aura is legit. And I'm like, wait, why all these.
- [31:02]
A
Sound so Gen Z? Yo, her aura is legit.
- [31:06]
B
Like, my entire career started by brain rot. But yeah, yeah, it was the first time I felt seen by women.
- [31:12]
A
And that's amazing.
- [31:13]
B
That made me decenter. A man in my life who was doing horrible things to me.
- [31:19]
A
That made you take. Make the decision to leave that abusive guy.
- [31:23]
B
Yes.
- [31:24]
A
And when you posted after the apartment tour with the cast, because Billionaire Boyfriend, if people don't know listening to this came from the apartment tour as well. Yes. People were like, who's affording this? It must be a billionaire. By the way, when I met you, I might have asked you as well, because I think it's, like, a misconception of, like, is it real? Is it not? And people that know the lore, like, no.
- [31:45]
B
Yeah.
- [31:46]
A
But, like, I feel like there are still people were like, oh, wait, so who is the billionaire boyfriend?
- [31:49]
B
Oh, people say it all the time. Like, are you trolling? Or did you. Do you actually think, like, I get it.
- [31:55]
A
I. I thought it was Jared Leto for a minute. I mean, you throw us for a loop, you know?
- [31:59]
B
Yeah. No, I. During that time, I had so many things going on in my head. So much was changing, so much was happening. And I've always been somebody who. My entire life, I've coped with comedy. I think, like, that's been my way of expressing myself, because sometimes I find it hard to, like, communicate the things I'm feeling in a serious way.
- [32:21]
A
Yeah.
- [32:22]
B
And so not only was I getting all these comments from men being like, well, you can't afford this place. And I'm like, dang it, right now. I know. I know. I can't. I was also dealing with all those feelings of going through this, like, cycle of narcissistic abuse. And so I took all of that, and I almost, like, put it into my comedy. And that's where Billionaire Boyfriend was born in that I gave these men who needed a man to own this place, a man to own this place. And then on top of it, I was able to poke fun at all of those feelings of, like, control and suppression that I felt from my relationship at the time. And then again, the support of women laughing along with me at kind of, like, jokes, at my own trauma was so unbelievably healing.
- [33:09]
A
Like, you rather that than people, like, feel sorry for you. Absolutely.
- [33:12]
B
Yeah, absolutely. Cause, like, everyone goes, I think, through some level of abuse at some point in their life, especially. Especially women. And I don't need a. A woe is me.
- [33:23]
A
Right.
- [33:24]
B
Because part of that, I was in that, and I chose to stay in it. Not like that's any of my fault, but, like, I'm a logical person. I know this. And so for me, being able to poke fun at my struggle helped me get out of the struggle.
- [33:39]
A
It's like healing to make fun of Things I was just watching. Like, you're. You love comedy, so maybe you love Conan o'. Brien. But I was listening to his. By the way, like, his episode with, like, Will Arnett cracked me. Meant so much to me. I just thought it was so funny. And I was like, I need to new life goal is to text with Conan. Because he. He was just describing how he texts with people and manic and chaotic.
- [34:00]
B
Yep.
- [34:00]
A
But when his parents died, they were telling the story. Did you see this clip? It was like he made a huge joke. Like, his parents died. He was so close to his parents. But what he did was like, Will Arnett was like, so sorry for your loss. And Conan said back, like, Jason Bateman did it. And they started this whole joke about it, and it became a thing. It was like, I think. And then his mom died two days later, and he was like, bateman got my mom. Like, you know, so they were just talking about truly what you were saying, like, how that is his way. And people might think it's, like, psychotic.
- [34:34]
B
Yes.
- [34:34]
A
And, like, you're crazy. But, like, that is meant so much. And he, like, thanked Will Arnett after all these years. So. So I totally get what you're saying.
- [34:43]
B
I get those people because, like, my background on my phone is my dog who passed away, like, two and a half years ago. And people always be like, oh, my gosh, your dog is so cute. And I'm like, thanks, she's dead. But, like, it's. It's my way. It's weird. It's like, if I can laugh about it, I can humanize it.
- [34:59]
A
Yeah.
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B
And I can understand it.
- [35:01]
A
It's like. But yeah, the only thing that, like, they're uncomfortable. Not you. You know what I mean?
- [35:05]
B
And I would never do it to somebody else's trauma, because you don't know if that's how they process that. Because everyone's.
- [35:10]
A
By the way, that made me think of something. I am Jewish, so I have, like, superstitions. And, like, we knock on wood. You post about, like, dying so much that, like, I can't handle it. Like, I would never even a sentence say. Like, if I'm talking about dying, I'd be like, God forbid, may it never happen. Like, and you are posting obituaries for yourself. You just posted today, by the way, because I had it already in my notes. And you posted today getting hit by a car. Yep. What's wrong with you?
- [35:37]
B
Yeah, I think I'm mentally not okay. I'm struggling. No, I. It's like the Internet is meant to be Funny. And so then I randomly. I was scrolling on my for you page. Cause I'm on that thing like 15 hours a day, and I was scrolling and all of a sudden I see this video about me dying. And it was like, haley Bailey has passed away. And they told everyone I was passed away in a $14 million mansion, though. Thanks for that.
- [36:01]
A
I have one of those billionaire boyfriends. Billionaire boyfriend coming into us.
- [36:05]
B
And I just was in bed and I was like, oh, I'm stitching this. And so I brought up my phone and I. Right. I was like, rp, I guess. And it just kind of became a joke, became a thing, and now it's become a thing. And I think I die on the Internet like, every other week.
- [36:20]
A
So when I actually die, I'm having no, like, morbid. Like, you see even now you said when I actually die, Like, I'm like, I get the chills. Like, I can't even say anything like that.
- [36:29]
B
I worked in medicine, so, like, yeah, I. You work. I want to have the most respect for people who donate their body to science. But we worked in a cadaver lab, and so you study on human bodies and you almost have to face your own mortality then. So it's something that, like, I'm. Again, I joke to understand and make sense of. Yeah, so it's something that, like, the more I joke about it, the more I understand it and make sense of it.
- [36:53]
A
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B
This girl was dancing in the street, like on a crosswalk. And I was like, yo, I wouldn't do that in New York. Yeah, like, there's some crazy drivers and all you do is you cut out the car, you do a little overlay, and you go like this. Oops, sorry, I didn't mean.
- [42:17]
A
You're like teaching people how to do it at home. Yeah, fake get hit. But no, you're editing, by the way. So I sat next to you at the time dinner, and she. You made us do a tick tock with you. Of course we didn't want to, but we did it. And the way you were cross posting was crazy. I'm a, like, like, like a monster. Like, she was like on threads, on fudgeing, whatever, YouTube shorts. I'm like, she. And I was like, what? You were cross posting like an insane person. And you're so on it. So even that night, like, when you had the idea to do the thing. Did that idea come before we sat down at the dinner? We did, or. So you were just sitting there being like, I want to do this video. Get in with me.
- [43:00]
B
Yeah. My brain kind of thinks in, like, short form comedy content. So, yeah, I think I might need to go back to therapy. But, no, I just. I love. I just love the Internet. Like, there's something.
- [43:10]
A
You do it all yourself?
- [43:11]
B
No, I do it all myself. Well, I have a management team. I don't want to, like, make it seem like I don't have videos. All of my videos are myself. All of the edits are me, all of the captions, everything that's ever posted on any Hayley Bailey account is me. It's. Yeah.
- [43:26]
A
You can never be one of those people that's, like, hands over control. Yes. Somebody else posts for me, like Selena.
- [43:32]
B
Gomez, because, like, half the time, my videos don't make sense until I edit them.
- [43:36]
A
How do you deal with, like, competition in this world? Because you get a lot of opportunities. Like, you've been to the Golden Globes. You've been to the. To the Kids Choice Awards. I love how I set that up.
- [43:48]
B
That was the dopest show.
- [43:49]
A
It's funny because you went a little viral for that, too, with wearing the slime dress. Like, people love that. But I'm assuming. And I know how it is in this business, which is, like, it doesn't matter how much success you have. You can see somebody doing something that you want to do.
- [44:03]
B
Yeah.
- [44:03]
A
And even though you've done other cool shit, so how do you deal with that? Like, do you get that feeling if you see other people? And it's funny.
- [44:11]
B
I used to get that when I was modeling, because I was so, I think, insecure with the way that I looked, that whenever another girl would say, succeed at something in modeling, I was like, dang it. Like, Like. And I would compare myself to her. But I think, again, like, comedy kind of saves me. I think in this industry, there's room for everybody. Truly. There are so many jobs, there are so many opportunities. If I'm getting them, anyone can get them. So, like, I. I don't get that anymore because I think I've. The things I've been able to accomplish I never, ever imagined in a million years I would ever get the chance to do. So I'm just stoked to be doing it. And, like, I don't.
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A
I. Yeah, you don't have that. No.
- [44:56]
B
But I did in modeling because I was so insecure.
- [44:59]
A
Yeah. And here maybe you feel like, I know that I do good. I know that. I post funny videos. How do you deal with. Are you obsessed with, like, is this going viral? Is this getting engagement? Is it getting likes? Could it ruin your day if a video you worked on so hard doesn't do well? Like, algorithm? Yeah.
- [45:17]
B
Yeah. I can't lie. Like, of course. It's like, it weighs on your mental because you're like, oh, my God, it's over flop era. Dang it. But I think that that's just normal and natural. Right. It's like I have imposter syndrome a lot of the time because I never thought this would be my life. And so I feel like if I pinch myself too hard, I actually might wake up and I'll be back in, like, St. Cloud, Minnesota, like, doing medicine, which would be fine. You know, I enjoyed that and I found joy in that. So, yeah, when. Whenever your stuff that you put out doesn't do as well, you always want to look at it and say, like, why am I. Am I missing the mark? Am I not understanding what's funny? Am I not understanding culture? And it's more like, I need to go back to the drawing room and reflect and. And just be.
- [46:01]
A
You're never like, it's the algorithm.
- [46:04]
B
Sometimes on TikTok, it is. If people have been like, spam reporting you.
- [46:07]
A
Yeah.
- [46:07]
B
There's a thing in TikTok, make sure that you don't have any branded content flags. Yeah, you're welcome. It will suppress your account. Okay. But on any of the other social media accounts. No, it's just how humans behave and interact with your. With your piece of content.
- [46:19]
A
So the getting hit by a car doing.
- [46:22]
B
I think it's doing great. I haven't even checked, actually. I'm like.
- [46:25]
A
I actually saw a video of you recently on the confidence guy.
- [46:29]
B
Oh, yes.
- [46:29]
A
David.
- [46:30]
B
He's fabulous.
- [46:30]
A
He's lovely. So was that a rant? Because I. Totally random. Because I was like, I had to ask you today.
- [46:35]
B
Totally random.
- [46:36]
A
Random. He saw you on the street.
- [46:37]
B
That's why I literally. I was coming from a casting and I was flashing my titties to the world. I felt so bad.
- [46:43]
A
Why? Because you weren't wearing a bra.
- [46:44]
B
I wasn't wearing a bra.
- [46:45]
A
Wait, what kind of casting? Like modeling or.
- [46:47]
B
It was like this thing for. I was. I mean, why did I say casting? A fitting.
- [46:52]
A
A fitting.
- [46:53]
B
I was coming from a fitting, and it was with Mark Bauer. I think it was for. I'd have to look at the date.
- [46:58]
A
No. So you weren't wearing. I just was trying to picture why you wouldn't be wearing a. I was.
- [47:02]
B
Not wearing a bra because I literally.
- [47:03]
A
Just walked out like this.
- [47:05]
B
So I was like, oh, my gosh. Because I can't be just like, like guns a blazing.
- [47:08]
A
I mean, some people are.
- [47:09]
B
And all the comments are like, where's her bra?
- [47:12]
A
And I'm like, oh, really? Oh, really? Was that your accident? That Kyle guy?
- [47:17]
B
That was one of my exes. Yeah.
- [47:19]
A
Okay. Yeah. Because I know you're talking about an ex recently too.
- [47:22]
B
Yeah, that was my most recent.
- [47:24]
A
Okay. Yes, in the video.
- [47:26]
B
In the video.
- [47:26]
A
So right now you're single? Right now I'm single and ready to. No, I don't know.
- [47:31]
B
You know, I've. I again, I have a bad picker. I just like, keep thinking I'm bad. Yeah. I've had amazing people in my life, so I don't want to, like, shade all of them. Yeah, I just, I tend to be very trusting when people tell me things almost to the point of like, I will believe their delusions because I'm like, nah, they would never want to.
- [47:49]
A
What do you fall for? Like, a bad. Like, what's the type that you keep falling for?
- [47:54]
B
They paint themselves like they are somebody that, like, is no longer a fuckboy and have understood, like, how their pain, how they've hurt people in the past and now, like, they want to be a better person. And I'm like, I totally get that. I've made mistakes in my life. I've, you know, wronged people. I've said mean things before. Like, I committed in my life when kind of right after I was saved from my abusive relationship to really trying to be like the best person I could be. And so I understand when somebody hits that point in their life where they're like, you know, I need to be a good person. And so I believe them.
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A
So you like people that, like, were bad boys, look like they're saved, look like they might be like, on a. Okay, so you like a little edge? You like a little edge?
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B
I like somebody that, that has life experience and understands the complexities of life and that, like, just because you did one wrong thing one time, it doesn't make you a bad person. I like people who have empathy. And I think somebody that's gone through a lot of struggle and has made it out on the other side, a better person understands all those things.
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A
Yeah, it's just.
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B
I forget that if they're still in their bad person era, they'll lie to you about all that.
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A
But what are the. Like, are, are. Is. Are these people or Some of these men, One of these men using you for your. For your clout, for your fame. Like, I hope not. Okay.
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B
I hope that somebody would never do that, because I'm very honest. Like, when I started dating my ex, I looked him in the eyes and I was like, if you are not healed, please leave me alone. Like, I am in a place where I am so confidently me. And I'm so, like, sure of myself almost, that I know, though, that I fall in love really fast and hard, and I could very easily be hurt in a second by somebody, like, wronging me.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I know that about myself. And so I was honest with him and was like, please, if you are not healed, no judgment. Go do your thing. Go figure it out. Just don't include me in it. And when somebody looks you in the eyes and says, yes, I'm healed, I would never do that to you. You want to believe them.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I don't ever want to say he was using me for views because I don't know his heart. I have no idea. Does it feel like he did that? Yes. Maybe that isn't the case. So I don't want to sit up here and be like, hey, used me for views. Because that might just be my anger and my pain coming out to attack someone who that might actually not be the reason.
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A
Would it be attractive to you to date somebody without, like, a presence on social media at all? Yeah.
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B
Either.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because I know some of the best people I know are on social media. Some of the best people I know have no social media.
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A
Right.
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B
It's completely person dependent.
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A
Right. So right now we're taking. Are we like, you're. You're living your single life.
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B
I'm living my single life. But I did download Hinge the other day just for fun.
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A
And swipe. Swipe.
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B
Voice prompts are so fun with.
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A
With there. I don't know anything. You're talking to me like I know what happens on the voice prompt.
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B
Oh, yeah. So there's this app called Hinge, right?
- [50:47]
A
Yeah.
- [50:47]
B
There's Raya, which we all know what Raya is.
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A
Are you on Raya?
- [50:50]
B
I am on Raya, but I heard.
- [50:52]
A
That it's like, kind of like.
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B
It's like. It's like it'll match me to somebody beautiful and funny. But they're like, in Sweden, and I'm like, yo, how?
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A
Oh, it's like, no location. Yeah. It's like, it's not location based.
- [51:03]
B
It's global.
- [51:03]
A
Yeah.
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B
So I'm like, as much as like, you're fabulous.
- [51:06]
A
Yeah.
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B
Do I have time to, like, fly out to Sweden? And I love seeing my man.
- [51:10]
A
Yeah.
- [51:10]
B
All the time. I'm one of those people. So, like, I'd be out in. Sweet. I'd be moving to Sweden before. I know it probably shouldn't do that. So I downloaded Hinge because that's what all my friends are on. And, like, I've seen it on Tick Tock where girls, like, act out these voice prompts from men and they have the option to, like, send voice notes just like on an iPhone or like on a Samsung or whatever. And I be sending voice notes, so I hope that nobody screen recording them.
- [51:34]
A
Wait, stop.
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B
Maybe they are. I don't know.
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A
Wait, what are the prompts? Like, what do you like to do?
- [51:39]
B
Yeah, they'll be like the craziest day of your life for like, three truths and a lie. Or like.
- [51:44]
A
And do you put on there who you are? Like, your Instagram and everything?
- [51:49]
B
No, I mean, you don't put their handle. It's not like Raya, where it, like, says it underneath.
- [51:53]
A
Oh, okay. I got you. I got you.
- [51:55]
B
But, yeah, no, it's just like a fun. It's. It's been really fun.
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A
So what are your 2026 goals? Because you've done so much already and you've hit up, like, crazy events, met huge celebs, like, created amazing content. So what are you looking forward to in. In 2026, man?
- [52:15]
B
Just, like, everything that I. I've gotten in this life, in, like, this type of life, like, through content, I'm just so unbelievably grateful for. Truly, like, from the bottom of my heart, I am, like, so stoked to be given the chance to do what I do. I wake up every day and I'm like, what should I film? And I'm like, so crazy about it. But I. It's because I love it.
- [52:35]
A
You are. You can tell.
- [52:36]
B
Yeah. I'm a psycho. When I made you guys film that TikTok, I'm like, I have a TikTok idea. Let's film it. Just more of that.
- [52:41]
A
Yeah.
- [52:42]
B
I would love, though, for more people, I think, to get to know me. I have a hard time talking about, like, things that have happened in my life or, like, people in my life. Cause I just. I want to make sure I do right with my platform and I don't want to say the wrong thing. So sometimes I communicate too heavily with comedy. So I'd love in 2026 for people to, like, break, get to know.
- [53:05]
A
Yeah.
- [53:06]
B
Me without maybe like, me through sketch form. Just like actually me.
- [53:11]
A
Well, this is a good start. This is a good start. Well, thank you so much for coming. Of course. Thanks everybody. If you don't already follow her because she doesn't have enough followers. It's only like 18 million and every platform. Haley Bailey, thank you for coming.
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B
Of course. Thanks for having me.
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A
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B
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