Kimora Lee Simons is Back in the Fab Lane

Summary

Not Skinny But Not Fat Host: Amanda Hirsch (Dear Media)
Episode: Kimora Lee Simmons is Back in the Fab Lane
Date: December 9, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this candid and energetic episode, host Amanda Hirsch sits down with legendary model, entrepreneur, and reality TV icon Kimora Lee Simmons to discuss her return to television after 14 years with her new E! reality series, Kimora: Back in the Fab Lane. The conversation dives deep into Kimora’s experiences as a businesswoman, single mother of five (plus a “bonus” child or two), the return of her iconic brand Baby Phat, her thoughts on aging, parenting in the public eye, and so much more. Kimora brings her signature humor, honesty, and rawness to a chat that’s as heartfelt as it is juicy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Kimora’s Return to Reality TV ([03:07 – 07:48])

• Kimora discusses the decision to return to reality TV with her family after 14 years off-screen.
  • “I always have a lot going on. I never feel like this is time… I wasn’t quite ready for this either.” (Kimora, [06:38])
  • She describes herself as “meticulous” and only able to take filming “in doses.”
  • Kimora sees her show as a true family-business reality show, distinct from the heavily manufactured drama of shows like The Real Housewives.
  • On not doing Real Housewives: “I didn’t want to like fight with these girls. I didn’t want to have like manufactured drama... that’s just my humble opinion.” (Kimora, [08:47])

Early Reality TV Days & the Kardashians ([04:41 – 07:31])

• Amanda notes both Kimora’s and the Kardashians’ family reality shows debuted in 2007, making Kimora “an originator.”
• Kimora comments on the different formats back in the day: “Before us was maybe like Osbournes... it was a different format... where cameras are actually everywhere, like maybe even in the bathroom.” (Kimora, [05:07])

Modeling, Motherhood, and Body Image ([09:41 – 14:25])

• Kimora explains starting in modeling at age 10 and moving to Paris by age 13, but left to build her own fashion business because the industry was “predatorial, it’s scary... it seemed a little bit superficial.” (Kimora, [11:49])
• On pregnancy and body changes: “After the first kid it’s really no problem, the second one probably not—but after that, it’s wild... I was in more mom and CEO mode, not like model mode.” (Kimora, [10:09])
• On turning 50: “I feel like I’m in great shape. I work out every other day... The bare minimum to get by.” (Kimora, [12:33–13:09])

Beauty Standards, Aging, and Cosmetic Procedures ([13:37 – 17:17])

• Kimora opens up about her beauty routine:
  • “If you stay a little more natural as you age, it looks better... You can see in my face. I don’t have like a lot of crazy filler. None. See how it moves?” (Kimora, [14:55])
  • On the trend of young women getting procedures: “It’s too much, you guys. And you guys are actually aging your face.” (Kimora, [15:52])
  • She advises her daughters against any cosmetic interventions at a young age: “We talk about this all the time. And I say no. And you don’t need it.” (Kimora, [16:54])

Kimora’s Daughters: Ming and Aoki ([17:17 – 18:09], [23:21 – 24:33])

• Amanda highlights Aoki’s early admission to Harvard and modeling.
  • Kimora describes Aoki as still “running around the world,” loving travel and Asia.
  • “They grew up with me... but now they have their own lives and I definitely don’t make them do [the show].” (Kimora, [23:29 – 24:14])
• On their relationship: Ming is “my mini-me” and “definitely a stalker,” while Aoki is more independent. (Kimora, [26:29])
• On parent-child boundaries: “My shower is really big. Let’s start with that... [Ming] thinks she’s 10 but she’s 20. She’s jealous of Wolfie getting all the attention.” (Kimora, [27:00 – 27:42])

Parenting, Adoption, and Family Dynamics ([28:46 – 34:46])

• Kimora shares about her blended household—biological, adopted, and “bonus” kids.
  • On adopting Gary: “For people who adopt children, you know that it’s not really you that’s doing the picking. It’s kind of like them that’s picking you. It’s a divine timing.” (Kimora, [30:11])
• Family operates as one unit: “Everybody under the mom is all siblings... at home, it’s not like, ‘Good morning, step-step.’ She calls me mom.” (Kimora, [33:10])
• She plays both boy mom and girl mom, noting the dynamics and how she’s now outnumbered by boys in the house.

Single Motherhood & Co-Parenting ([35:01 – 36:41], [45:24 – 47:21])

• Amanda asks if the dads are involved: “Not involved. I’m alone. There’s no co-parenting.” (Kimora, [35:04])
• On being the default parent: “They could never see the dad for a million ever games, and if you miss one, it’s like, ‘Mom, you weren’t there.’” (Kimora, [36:26])
• Discusses public perceptions that she has “a thousand nannies,” clarifying she has support but is always the primary parent.
• Kimora candidly addresses Aoki’s public drama with her father and personal pain as a mother: “It hurt me a lot for her... I felt for her. I’m right there in the trenches with my kids at all times.” (Kimora, [47:36])

Public Scrutiny, Headlines, and the Aoki Age-Gap Relationship ([49:14 – 51:47])

• Amanda brings up the widely-covered story of Aoki being seen with a much older man.
  • Kimora reflects: “Why is it a big deal though? Because if you look back... you see [age-gap relationships] all the time.” (Kimora, [49:28])
  • Ultimately: “I do think it’s predatorial. Kind of crazy.” (Kimora, [51:46])
  • She found out at the same time as the public and emphasizes letting her children make their own mistakes.

Kimora’s Love Life ([52:08 – 53:43])

• Kimora confirms she’s single and not actively dating: “Not actively seeking. Yes. Not actively.” (Kimora, [52:35])
• On dating preferences: “I like brains. I like intelligence. I want to be able to talk. That’s why I don’t understand these men that are 162 and want to talk to a 5-year-old.” (Kimora, [53:44])

Baby Phat: Past, Present, and Future ([53:56 – 57:37])

• Kimora celebrates reacquiring her iconic brand, comparing it to “buying back your masters... It’s emotional. It’s like your first baby.” (Kimora, [54:58])
• Baby Phat celebrated 25 years; new designs and a special edition varsity jacket launched.
• On the evolution of New York Fashion Week: “It’s still a thing... but I don’t feel like it’s what it was 25 years ago... Now it’s a little bit different.” (Kimora, [55:45])

Fun, Notable Quotes

• “Even a supermodel has her moments. Mom is a mama is a mama.” (Kimora, [58:10])
• On staying real: “If you do that when you’re so young, then what are you going to do when you’re older?” (Kimora, [16:32])
• About her brand: “It was like the thing, and Fat was the thing—it’s like, Fat, p-h. You coined that thing!” (Amanda, [54:02])
• On blended families: “Whoever’s under that main parent... that’s your family and that’s your base.” (Kimora, [33:43])
• “You have to move, you have to work out, you have to get out there. Do all these things we hate.” (Kimora [13:14])
• “I don’t care about any of that. Growing up, I was never the friend that had to have the male model or Adonis-looking thing like that.” (Kimora, [53:32])

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Notable Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:07] — Introduction of Kimora and overview of her new show
• [05:07] — OG reality TV format comparisons
• [09:41] — Pregnancy, body image, and escape from superficial modeling
• [13:37] — Exercise and routine at 50
• [15:52] — Thoughts on young women getting fillers/Botox
• [17:24] — Daughters’ modeling careers and independence
• [23:29] — Fame, boundaries, and not forcing her kids into TV
• [28:46] — Family dynamics, adoption, and household blending
• [35:01] — Single parenting, co-parenting absence
• [47:36] — Managing family drama, Aoki and her father
• [49:14] — Aoki’s controversial age-gap relationship
• [53:56] — Baby Phat’s comeback, emotional business journey
• [55:45] — Evolution of NY Fashion Week

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Episode Tone

Light-hearted, frank, and peppered with both humor and emotional honesty. Amanda’s chatty but incisive style meets Kimora’s unfiltered realness for a fast-paced, highly entertaining, and informative episode.

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This summary captures the full arc of an episode that’s equally about pop culture nostalgia, serious parenting wisdom, and the enduring fabulosity of Kimora Lee Simmons.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[B]

Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room.

Hey, guys. Happy Tuesday. I hope everyone's warm. I'm freezing. It is freezing in New York, and I'm not complaining. Listen, I really do have this, like, general optimism about weather. Like, I'm not the guy to be like, it's like, I live in New York. I live on the East Coast. It's gonna be cold. Like, it is what it is. Luckily, I'm not walking the streets. You know, I'm not a tourist trying to, like, hang out at Times Square. Like, I'm gonna be in and out. Yes. Usually of a. Of an Uber. Like, if I don't want to freeze my face off, then I won't. I was actually at an event. I went to the housemaid premiere. Flex Flex Flags. And I. Did I wear a coat? Yeah, I wore, like, a little pico, but my legs were exposed because the dress, by the way, I wore this favorite daughter dress everybody died over. And honestly, like, I wasn't a dress girl until two minutes ago. Okay. I, like, would never wear a dress. And all of a sudden I'm like, wait, I can wear dresses and, like, not feel weird and, like, they actually look good on me. So confused. But also, obviously, not every dress. This dress just. It's so good, by the way. The material is, like, kind of cottony, so I feel like you could dress it up or down. Anyway, it's a good one. And my legs were exposed, so for the amount of time that I had to wait for the car outside slash, get out of the car, Like, I kind of almost cried. So if put in this situation, I'm a pussy. However, I try to avoid the cold. If I can. You know, if I'm dressed well, it's usually good. I don't tend to want to be in the nude. Me in the nude. I'm like, literally, my calves are out. I'm like, I'm in the nude. Like, literally, your cab was out. Okay. Like, what is wrong with you? Anyway, Housemaid. You guys, so good. Like, I know I'm going to sound like such a perv. And the movie was good. Okay. Follow the book. I read the book. I know. Shocking. But I have. So it followed the book, so that's good. But, like, When I tell you it's worth it to see. Just because of Brandon Skelner. Whatever the. However the you spells the name. And also, he's a Brandon, not Brendan. And that's also weird for me. I've decided he's Brendan.

Him and Sydney Sweeney's sex scenes, Like, I can't describe them. Like, her giant jugs squeezed against his perfect body. Like, I don't know what to do. I don't. We were screaming in the theater, okay? Screaming in the Theta. And, like, I don't know how. How her boobs do that. Like, they're natural, but they're still perky. Like, I don't know, like, talk to me after she has kids and breast. But, like, right now I can. And, like, Brandon, I can.

I just. It was a lot. So if you want to be turned on, go fucking watch. Watch that movie. Anyway, on today's show, you guys, today we have a legend, okay? A woman who is not only an entrepreneur, she's a mom. She has five plus kids. She has a billion businesses, and not a single wrinkle. It's Kamora Lee Simmons, and she is back. She's turned 50, she looks literally insane, and she's back on our TV after 14 years with her new show, Kimora Back in the Fab Lane. We talk about what made her come back, whether her kids are looking to get famous and if she worries about them getting in those headlines. If you remember, one of her daughters was seen with, like, a really old guy. We talk about that. We talk about if the dads are involved in their lives. Talk about baby fat with a P. Fat with a P. Honestly, baby fat. Like, I really remember in high school, like, hearing about baby fat, like, it was just part of the culture. Like, not the culture again that I could afford, but I would want to. You know what I mean? She honestly is a cultural icon. She's one of a kind, and she's raw and she's funny and she's honest and she's fab. So enjoy my convo with the one, the only, Kahmora Lee Simmons. Kahora Lee Simmons is here. The OG reality TV businesswoman, mega mom, everything. And you're back. She's back.

[A]

We're back.

Can you say that?

[B]

Yeah. So back. And also, I didn't realize that when you started your show in 2007.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

In the Fab Lane, it was the same year the Kardashians started. So you were like, same time as them, originating family reality.

[A]

I don't even remember if that's when.

[B]

They started, I looked it up.

[A]

Is that true?

[B]

I fact checked. And you started in 2007 as well?

[A]

Yeah, I did. Yeah. It was early, early days. Like I remember before us was maybe like Osbornes or something. And it was a different format. That's why I always say them, because it would. People need to know that's a different format where it is reality, but it's like where cameras are actually everywhere. Like maybe even in the bathroom. I don't know. Like the.

[B]

For. For them.

[A]

For them it was like. Remember the whole house was kind of rigged. I don't watch a lot of tv, but I know it was rigged. Like you walk from one room to the next and it's there, there, there. I'm sure you have shows now that are like game.

[B]

Like Big Brother. Big Brother. That kind of.

[A]

Exactly. It was like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So yours was right after that as a family though. So it's like kind of showing everything but not rigged up, stationed to the wall. You can go outside, you're not. It's not like you're not stuck to the confines of your home. Right. We were doing things. This is back then, we were showing business and fashion shows and production and like so much fun stuff, which we are now too. But like that's when we started.

[B]

How did that start? Do you. Do you remember the show? Like somebody approached you?

[A]

Yeah, it was E. It's always E. Always E. We're like a family. Not like we are. It's been a lot of years. And yeah, they approached me to. I don't even know. I don't even know where the conversation started, but I know that it started and it was a conversation. Yeah.

[B]

And now 14 years, thousand years later, you're back. I'm back on TV. How do you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How did that decision come? Like, let's. This is time. We have a lot going on. Kids are grown.

[A]

I always have a lot going on. I never feel like this is time. I wasn't quite ready for this either. It's kind of like something that. And people who know me, certainly people who are in the. On this side of things with us, who know me, know that I was very like non committal to this for years. A lot of people would say there's a lot of like comments and stories and articles and interviews and just wherever you get information, there's a lot of information saying like, come back to TV or the Fabulous Family or bring back the fabulosity. So I know it's a thing, but I just wasn't ever sure. When to do it or even how to do it. It's weird for me. How to do it is weird for me. Which is why you see that I started with my. My cousins, the Kardashians, but I didn't go to cousins. I'll just say that because we started to get, you know, kind of the same time. Or like, I can't say sisters because I'm not a sister.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My babies. I don't know what to say. Cousins. We're good with cousins.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

But like they probably have banged like 80,000 episodes and I haven't. So I go through every. I'm meticulous and I'm doing like little bits at a time. Small batches. We're small batch here. So it's because of just the whole thing is a lot for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I can only take it in like doses.

[B]

Like you need to know, like, there's a time that I'm filming, there's a time that I'm.

[A]

That I'm not well, I'm doing what I'm doing. But there's a time that all of this will be there or there's a part of that, that someone, a whole nother crew or situation is going to be there. Ye. That's kind of another element to it. Another element, Another world, another dimension. Yeah. I need to know that. And all day long. Do they get time to do hair and makeup? Did you have hair, makeup?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even though you got. Does anyone think you don't have that? You have that? No. We know now. You do.

[B]

We know now. Like I feel like since the Housewives, you know, feel like the house. Do you watch any of those shows, like on Bravo?

[A]

Watch TV at all? Not really, no.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Friends with most of them. Most. All of them. All over world.

[B]

But you don't know the drama or you know the drama.

[A]

I do know all of that, which is another reason that we got here to life in the fat lane. Because I didn't want to go do the Housewives and people wanted me to go on there on TV like that. And I didn't want to like fight with these girls.

[B]

That does make sense.

[A]

And I didn't want to have like manufactured drama with these girls. Not that it always is. I'm not trying to tell trade secrets. This is just my humble opinion that it's like manufactured crap, like drama fighting bullshit or BS for no reason. And I don't want that. I don't want you to have to like turn my friend against me for ratings.

[B]

Yeah, that makes Sense. Because I was going to ask you if you would ever do, like, a show like that, like Beverly Hills or anything like that.

[A]

A lot.

[B]

They ask you a lot.

[A]

That's why we're here. Probably another reason why I've chosen to go this way.

[B]

But you've done on America's Next Top Model now.

[A]

I did. I started that with Tyra. I started on the first season with her and went through that whole, whole process with her. We were really tight, like, besties. Like B with BFFs.

[B]

You're, like, trying to remember.

[A]

I remember that a lot. And I feel like my jacket is. It's just like, there's no shape in there.

[B]

But because you're tall and skinny, you can pull it off and.

[A]

Okay, thanks.

[B]

I blob. Does that also mean. Okay, side question. Because you're so tall and thin, does it mean that your pregnancies were really, like, was your belly small? Was it? Did you. You know what I mean? Because I have this new theory that women that are pregnant. No.

[A]

Okay. You're just asking. Pregnant.

[B]

I've had two babies, and I have the contemplation of a third, but I got really fat and, like, some. Yeah, okay. Look at, like, the tall, skinny ladies that I'm like, oh, they just have a belly.

[A]

I did just have a belly when I was So I had Ming and Aoki when I was very young. Like early twenties. Early twenties. And I was married early, so I did that and I did my bounce. The bounce back game is great. And I think it's like, the first kid is really no problem. The second one, probably not. But after that, it's wild. And when I look back at all these clips, a lot of them, I'm, like, chunky. And my girls were, like, little. Not babies, but little. Which tells me that I was in more mom and CEO mode, not like, model mode or whatever. Yeah, you can tell I have baby fat. Baby fat. Literally. I was carrying it around for a long time. So I think I start off small, but then it gets like.

[B]

And do you remember struggling with that at all, being a model before and.

[A]

No, because I got out of modeling early, and then I turned that into a fashion and a fashion empire, and that's literally what I was doing. That's the whole point of it. I didn't want to be front and center in something that was, like, so superficial. I started really young. I was, like, in St. Louis, Missouri, at 10, 11, 12 years old modeling, you know, like, puppy food cans or something in St. Louis. And then I went to Paris at 13. So I've been doing this for a long time, and it seemed a little bit. A lot of it kind of superficial. So then I wanted to turn it into something else. So that's more the business side of it and manufacturing, designing, creating, creative direction. But it's not so much. It's not so much based on how you look only I think I wanted to get away from that early on, probably.

[B]

You started so young, and it's scary. 20s you were late 20s, you were over it.

[A]

It's predatorial, it's scary.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's rude.

[B]

Like, you don't look at that time. Back with fond memories of modeling so young.

[A]

It's not that I don't have fond memories. I have lots of memories. Some are amazingly great. Some are not so fond. But we're talking more of just looking back at myself and all different flashbacks of seeing stages of my life. And a lot of that was dedicated to motherhood. And I probably still am holding on to it. I'm like. I'm holding on to, like, baby wave. People like, what's your baby? I'm like, tense.

[B]

You look Beyond. You've turned 50.

[A]

This is as good as it.

[B]

How does that feel, turning 50? That's like a big. Like it's a big bird. I feel like 40 is a big birthday, and then 50 is.

[A]

Well, I didn't have a big birthday, even though it is like a milestone. But I didn't do that. And I don't. I was working. Actually. I'm probably one of these. Show one of these episodes that you saw. For sure. I was working. I don't know. I feel like in great shape. I work out every other day. Every other day. Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday. No Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.

[B]

So to give yourself, like, the weekend off. Yeah, I love that. What. What are you doing? Cardio. Weights.

[A]

Cardio and weights? Yeah. I'm in the gym with the trainer, and I do a little cardio. It's a lot.

[B]

Well, you.

[A]

Not a lot. It's a little. A little of a lot.

[B]

And it's unfortunately, too. Yeah.

[A]

But it's a little. The bare minimum to get by.

[B]

You feel the difference, like, in your body when you're doing.

[A]

Absolutely. You guys have to. I don't even know what camera is. My camera. Is my camera that my camera? I don't even know where's my camera. You have to move it. I don't even know if we're supposed to do that, but you have to move. You have to work out. You have to get out there. You have to do all these things that we hate. You have to. You have as you get older to look good and keep it tight and keep it right. Move it around a little bit like a walk.

[B]

What do you do for this perfect face?

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Bless you. You're blind. A little bit.

[B]

Are you okay? Like, you look better than ever. And I'm not lying. Yeah, well, one day I'm like, the flashbacks, it's like, wait, her now. You know, on the show, I feel.

[A]

Like I'm better now.

[B]

Isn't that because I.

[A]

That's because you lose weight. You're not having kids. There's something to be said about that. When you're in your child birthing years.

[B]

Yeah, you're young.

[A]

It's a lot of beauty and things, but you're definitely have fatter moments, I think. And then as you age, you're coming out of child having years and you're having. Maybe they say that you're getting into another stage and you're gaining weight. So I'm not really sure. My youngest is 10 and I'm like, coming. I consider that coming out of child bearing or having years. My oldest is 25.

[B]

That's so inspiring though, to have to be 50, you know, and say I'm feeling the best I've ever felt right now.

[A]

Have all these.

[B]

No kids. That's so great. You know, people are so scared to age nowadays and.

[A]

Oh, I'm definitely not. No, I'm not scared to age. My face is like, look at it. These are like, I don't have meaning. Like, you can see me. You're sitting here with me. So you can see in my face. I don't have like a lot of crazy filler. None. See how it moves? You can see that. I don't have.

[B]

So what is it, just Botox?

[A]

No, you can see I don't. I don't need all that. That's the whole point. I think it's. That's my point. I think if you stay a little more natural as you age, it looks better. If I give to the girls, it looks better. Yes. It's a little more. Maybe I have a line there where I didn't have smile lines and things like that. Sure, it moves.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think if I go the opposite, it'll be too plumped and stiff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And who knows, if you see me plumped and stiff in five or 10 years, then, you kn. You know, I went that way. But for right now, and you just got done. Thank you. For saying it looks good. So I think it's better to stay more natural. Only do the little bits you need. If you feel you need anything. I do. Laser once.

[B]

You don't have any Botox in your forehead?

[A]

No. Oh, no, because I don't have that kind of forehead. I have this part in the middle. I don't have a forehead that moves.

[B]

That's.

[A]

I mean, it moves, but not like, wait, that's crazy.

[B]

What would you say then to like, you know, this generation of like 20 year olds getting Botox and the fillers.

[A]

It's too much, you guys. And you guys are actually aging your face.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're aging yourself. And I don't know that people even care. Sometimes I ask and I have a lot of friends and friends and friends who are like estheticians, makeup artists in the business. And I'm like, don't you tell your client that that looks bad? And they're like, they don't want to hear it or, you know. No, I couldn't say that. I was trying to. If I want to keep my job, I couldn't say that. I hear the craziest stories and there are people that they, they don't look good.

[B]

You guys, I feel like, you know all the tea. I feel like you have.

[A]

I know all the tea, you know, a lot of tea. And you don't need to do that when you're young. And if you do that when you're so young, then what are you going to do when you're older?

[B]

That's what I don't get. Why, like.

[A]

And I'm a model, a real one, from how many years these women that are telling you guys or that are doing this, they're not telling you to do it. But women that are doing that, they're not models, you guys, or something else. Influencers or some other kind of famous woman that thought that they needed that. But a model, you don't really need all that.

[B]

So if your daughters were like, I want to get some. Something done, would you.

[A]

We talk about this all the time. And I say no. And you don't need it. Even like something that's could be care, like a laser getting rid of like sunspots or whatever, I would say no, it's too much on your skin, it's going to thin your skin.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's things you can do for care. And I still say like, don't do too much lights and all that. I think don't do too much. A little bit red light, some lights are okay, but don't go.

[B]

So your daughters Aoki and Ming are both supermodels too. Like, they just were born with. They got your jeans.

[A]

Are they also supermodels? But they do model.

[B]

Are they supermodel? Supermodel looking was on Vogue September.

[A]

Vogue. Teen Vogue. Teen Vogue.

[B]

And she's like a genius, right? She got into Harvard when she was 16.

[A]

She got in at 15. She graduated, I think 18, 15, 19.

[B]

Is she still traveling the world like we see on the show?

[A]

The world, yeah, she goes back and forth. She loves it in Asia. She loves the weather.

[B]

So this is still happening because we.

[A]

Iop. Yeah, for sure. She loves it. Well, she was traveling then.

[B]

When she was traveling then, I remember.

[A]

You wanted to get her to sit down in one spot. So that is always the same. Yes, this is the same. It's real life.

[B]

I know when it was filmed, you.

[A]

Know, Yoki's still running around for sure. That's why she sat here with me today. Everybody's running around.

[B]

We'll be right back after the break.

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Do they want the fame that could come with coming back on TV at this age? When they're older and everything, it's different.

[A]

I think it's a juggling, a balance thing. I don't think that they don't want it because they're naturally in it. You were born in it. They were creating and working with me since we were little. I had them very young. You know, a lot of younger moms can say, you know, we grew up together really. They know me like in a different way. So they have a lot of that and they live their own lives. That's the whole point. And I think you see this. They live their own lives on tv. They have their endeavors, they went to school, they both gradu way to college. They both are off into their various entrepreneurial ventures. So I think it's okay. I think for them it's an extension and I definitely don't make them do it. So let me just say that if they don't want to do it, they don't have to do it. And I don't want everybody calling me like, oh, you have to bring Ming.

[B]

I can't make gotcha.

[A]

She's our own difference between now fablane and then Fablane. I don't make. You know, then Fablane was like you're just coming with mom, right? Or whatever. We're going to work Runway. Take a bow. Like, they just listen to me now. They're like, no, you go that way, and I'm going to go this way. Or like, mom, that's not cool. I don't know if I want to do that.

[B]

Did you give them any tips prior to coming back to filming?

[A]

Well, they were definitely freaking out a little bit, like, what do we do? Or how are we going to look? Or. You don't understand. It's different this day and age.

[B]

Like, with TikTok, they probably mean in everything. Like, people judge a lot harder and thousand. Yeah.

[A]

I'm learning all these things. And like you, I try to say, like, I don't care, but you care a little bit, but you try not to. And so therefore, you kind of buffer yourself a little bit or, you know, you set up boundaries or guidelines. And that's why I was saying, I don't watch every single thing of myself or playback every interview. I'm hoping for the best. But also, you have to realize, like, I'm a fashion creative. So that's like, you sit down and you do it, and you put it out there. It goes down the Runway, and you hope for the best. You don't get to take it back and change.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You have to change it next time. And by then, you're. You're. When it goes out there, you're onto something else. That collection is light years ahead, a design away. A designer will tell you that it's gone good or bad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And usually they say good things. And people have been very supportive, certainly in fashion and all of my baby fat years, thankfully. Thank God. Thank everyone. They've been very great to me. But sometimes they don't love it. Sometimes. I didn't make everyone at, you know, whatever publication, they didn't. They didn't love it or they said something. The girls were to this, to that. Why did you do this? So you try not to live your life with the only those guidelines. And so I think that way, good or bad, you'll never go too far off track.

[B]

Right.

[A]

If you're so excited when it's exciting, then are you so sad when it's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not exciting? Probably not.

[B]

Like, so you're trying to have them get, like, as it comes and them.

[A]

Me, everybody ride the wave.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Everybody who.

[B]

It feels like Ming is a little bit maybe more into this life because Aoki is. Is traveling. But it seems like Ming is like your mini me.

[A]

She's definitely my Mini me and your mini me. Definitely a stalker. That's why I was saying, like, no.

[B]

But actually, yes, she's. Because. Oh, my God. Yes. You said on the show she tries to. She, like, comes into the shower with you.

[A]

She would.

[B]

I don't know how that one is going to be received, honestly.

[A]

But she didn't get in the shower.

[B]

Oh, you kicked her out.

[A]

Did she take a shower?

[B]

No. There was. You were saying on the show, you're, like, asking.

[A]

She comes in the shower.

[B]

Yeah, you were like, saying on the show how she's always around you and you're like, what a little weirdo.

[A]

Get out of my shower.

[B]

And you're showering like you're in the seam and you, like, see her appear.

[A]

Okay, but. Oh, that happens all the time. Can I say something, though? First of all, my shower is really big. Okay, let's just start with that.

[B]

Like, this room big.

[A]

Like half of this studio right here where we are.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Half of this.

[B]

Oh, okay. And they're multiple heads.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And there's steam. So you don't have to be under any head. You can just be in the steam.

[B]

I'm, like, picturing my apartment. It would be, like, into my face.

[A]

Okay, but you said you have two kids, right? So are. Well, I don't know how old they are, but, like, are you showering with them at, like. No, no. Keeping them out when you're on the toilet? Keeping them out when you're in the bathroom?

[B]

Well, toilet. You're right.

[A]

You get to say so. Or do they. They say, you tell me.

[B]

But Ming is how old?

[A]

20. Yeah, but she thinks she's 10. I'm sure she's a little jealous of Wolfie that he actually gets all that attention and help. That's what it is. Help and care and that she's more perceived as an adult. What do you guys say? This. Would you guys say that about Minky? Like, she's a little bit more. She's a baby. She's like 25.

[B]

But, but, but isn't that nice? Because then you have one kid. What? It seems like from whatever watch Aoki. It seems like she's more independent. She's, like, traveling. She's out and about. Whereas, like, you get to have one daughter who wants to freaking shower with you. So why do you want, though? But why do you want her out of the house then? Isn't it fun to have, like, catch 22? Okay.

[A]

I do and I don't. Did I say I did? I don't.

[B]

Today you said that you Want that you, like, would like for her to have her own. Yeah. You've changed your mind. You flip.

[A]

It's one of those things. I flip back and forth. Yeah. I definitely feel like, dang, girl, I get. But then I feel like she's 25. You don't have to go. Yeah, she's 25. And I definitely don't feel like you have to put kids out. Ming and Aoki both have places in New York, and they both have a room at my place.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, at my house, they have their home, their room, but I think that's okay. And they always come back. That's their base.

[B]

That's so cute. And you have five kids total. So Ming and I are total, but.

[A]

Six on the show. I have an extra bonus, Jaden. A bonus. I have a lot of bonus children. Some that are on, some that are not. That's a lot. How literally? I have, like, five kids. Right away. I could think of extra that are in my.

[B]

That are friends of your kids that you kind of took in.

[A]

How does this happen that you're a stepdaughter? I have other kind of step kids. Not. Not by. I didn't marry their dad, but kind of. Yeah. I have all these bonus kids, bonus animals. I have a lot.

[B]

How did you become this? Like, did you always want to have a lot of children?

[A]

I always wanted a lot of kids, and I always thought I would be a great mom. And I really think I'm a pretty decent mother. Like, not the best. I don't want to toot my own horn, but I kind of want to, like, toot toot.

[B]

Well, you're a single mother of.

[A]

Single mother.

[B]

Just five that are your own. Plus, plus all the bonus. What was the decision to adopt? Because I know Gary is adopted from Jamaica.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How did you decide after having four of your own that you wanted to adopt?

[A]

So I don't know. I think people will say when they have. Okay, so Gary is adopted as a personal adoption, meaning we know Gary's family. Gary's dad is on my phone right now. I know. You know what I mean. We know. I know Gary's mom and dad, it's a person, so it's more of a family adoption. More like not like a kid that you went and plucked out of the carriage patch. I. I tell him, though, I gave birth to him, but he knows.

[B]

He knows it's not true as we.

[A]

See his mom, too. But I think that for people who adopt children, you know, that it's not really you that's Doing the picking. It's kind of like them that's picking you. I think. I think it's a time timing, like a divine timing. I don't know if it's ever perfect and I don't know if I'm ever perfect enough. And I. You never know. It's about you trying to help someone else and bringing another person being into your family and opening up your family and sharing and that person becomes part of your family. It's such a journey and I don't know if I was ever ready for it and I absolutely love it. And Gary is like the sweetest, nicest really. Thank God I lucked up. But I don't know if you ever really choose it or if you get to much. If you get much say. I don't think so.

[B]

How old was he when you adopted him?

[A]

He's 16 now. I want to say like eight.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And your other children like took him in right away? Thousand percent. Yeah.

[A]

It was with everyone's blessing. We're a very close knit group so we discuss almost everything together. I say almost everything because I probably edited some things throughout their growing up. But we're very close. Even the boys. I'm a boy mom kind of technically. Now see now Ming would say, no, you're not. She was sitting right here. She'd be like, they don't even count.

[B]

Because they outnumber the girls. That's why.

[A]

Well, because now the younger ones are focused on their boys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The younger ones are boys and the adults are girls.

[B]

And how do you compare that? Like as a. How would you compare being a boy mom versus girl mom was better. What's harder? Girl mom harder because they're more like emotional.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I think from what I older your kid? Well, I'm only boys five and a year and a half. But I just. Baby, babies.

[A]

You look good.

[B]

You have really. Thank you. I'm working hard. Thank you.

[A]

Oh my God. Big kids.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

I would never think you had a baby.

[B]

Really. Thank you.

[A]

Oh, so then you get all the stuff. I just sat here and said, of.

[B]

Course I get it.

[A]

And you don't even look like I look. My kids were 10. My kid's 10 now. Well, now, but Ming and Aoki on that show were a little younger than that and I still was carrying it around.

[B]

First of all, you looked amazing.

[A]

You look amazing.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Don't be so hard on yourself.

[B]

I know my am a year. Oh my God. I just told you I don't care. I care. See, we Care.

[A]

Yeah, we do. We. Look, we're doing our best, Debbie.

[B]

Doing our best. But you want to know who Debbie is? As someone that had two kids and thinking of another pregnancy, I'm like, and you did it four times. Like, that's inspirational. You know what I mean?

[A]

To me, five if you count Gary. Is he a 0.5 birth? He can't be 0 birth.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because he gives me pains. Like a birth child. I say that.

[B]

Do they in the house, like, do they call each other, like, are they like, this is my half sister? Or they all feeling okay?

[A]

No.

[B]

I don't know how that works.

[A]

No. And also kids will tell you that. And as a single mom, I'll tell you, I think this is one of those things. But I think it goes by who's in the house with the mom. Everybody under the mom, I think is. Got you all siblings. And now this may be really polarizing. I don't know your core group. What if you have a bunch of single dads? But if it was everybody was home with dad, whoever's under that dad would be. Usually for us, it's girls and it's the mom, but whoever's under that main parent and the more kids that come in that are under that main one, as opposed to scattered.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's your family and that's your base. And no one distinguishes that. Like, I have a stepdaughter. I said for the people here. But at home, it's not like, good morning, step steps. She calls me mom. Like, no. Wow.

[B]

So how many kids you have living in your house? Currently living?

[A]

Five.

[B]

Five.

[A]

Well, six. No, seven.

[B]

That she doesn't know.

[A]

Main Gaoki, Kenzo, Gary, Wolf, Jaden, Angie.

[B]

Angie is the. The stepdaughter. Yeah.

[A]

And she's in university, so she's in between the house and.

[B]

And do they like come downstairs like the Brady Bunch and eat breakfast together? Vibes.

[A]

So not always breakfast together, but eat everything. Eat me out of house and home deliveries. Cooking all hours of the day and night. Because they're all. Boys are athletic. So they're all in school and they're doing sports and really into sports. They're both on. Gary plays varsity football and Kenzo plays varsity basketball.

[B]

Get it right. Get it right.

[A]

My brain. My brain.

[B]

I know.

[A]

So they're up at like four in the morning. Five in the morning.

[B]

Are you going to the games and everything?

[A]

Almost everyone. Football. It gets a little hours long. On the cold, hard bench. In the cold. On the cold hard bench in the cold.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And basketball's a Little better. It's inside though. It's not as long. But I do go to the games. Yeah, I do.

[B]

And you're doing this all on your own. Like the fathers of the children are.

[A]

Not involved because I think I used to. Yeah, it used to be a little different. They're not involved. I'm alone. There's no co parenting.

[B]

You know what I was thinking about for you? That your kids are older. So like even. Because right. Somebody on the tree could be like, she. Okay, she has a thousand nannies. Right. Like that's what people like to say. But like kids, not a thousand. But when as, as a mom, I, I know. Like even if I have a nanny, like, yes, she can help me with my one and a half year old, but my five year old like wants to be around for sure their parents. So I was thinking about you having all these children. So even if you have help, like I'm sure your 10 year old wants to be with you, you know, so it's all on you and it's just.

[A]

The demands and it's, it's everything that goes on. Like I've been here for example in New York for the show and everything coming out and Kenzo was in a car accident and it was like his first car accident and it was, it's been just kind of crazy. Yes. He's okay. Thank you. He's okay. But his car was like totaled. I don't think it's not his fault, but it was a lot and so it's, you know, scary and I wasn't there and I could kind of feel it, an emotion. I could feel in my stomach what he was feeling. And they're asking, asking questions and I was like, he doesn't feel well. He can't even. I can just hear it in how he's talking that he doesn't feel well. So it's, I think parenting is always a lot and you do, and you do the best you can. It definitely takes a village. I definitely have people with me, aunties like sisters, friends, support. But you're always going to worry. You're always the main one up. You're the next batter up, always. They could never see the dad for a million ever games. And if you miss one, it's like, mom, you weren't there. Are you late or. I think that's just how it goes for us.

[B]

We'll be right back after the break.

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[A]

Well, there is no involvement.

[B]

There is no involvement.

[A]

And so I don't talk much about that because then I would be talking about their lack of involvement.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And that would be too much talking talking. So there is no involvement. And I don't really. They're not on the show, obviously. Yeah, they're not really even around. And they're welcome to be around. Just to clarify for the record. They're welcome to be around on their, you know, at their will and leisure. My kids are all big enough and old enough to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And able to have their own relationships and do their own things. So it's not about me at all.

[B]

It's just, what a loss for them.

[A]

I feel like that too. They don't know. I don't know what they know. Guys are a little weird.

[B]

You know what I feel like sometimes about dads that aren't present. Present fully. I try to put myself in their brain and think like a child. Like, I just don't want this responsibility, you know? Like, it must be just that. Like I'm just.

[A]

I can't believe that.

[B]

I don't know. Like, I think they think.

[A]

But we're not supposed to be thinking.

[B]

For them because they never rationalized you just. I think as a mom, you could never imagine. Kind of. And then you're like, how could you not want to be part of this thing that you created. Sorry to get, like, deep.

[A]

But maybe they.

[B]

I feel like no, because I'm emotional about it.

[A]

I feel like this is important. Maybe it's the other side that you're. Maybe they're intimidated, or maybe they're like, oh, she's got it. Maybe they're like, I don't want to get in her way. Or maybe they're like, I don't like her. I don't know. I'm not saying personally, all of these things, personally. I'm saying, you know, maybe we don't. You never know. We don't know. I think a lot goes through their head, though, about the other parent and less about the child. We could go on about this forever. I'm here for it. I could come back another day. Because we're getting into, like, the psychology of it all. And it's really.

[B]

But it doesn't mean. I don't know.

[A]

Because I'm not one of them. So I don't know. I think it's. I don't. I. It's really. What you just said as a mother, you cannot imagine.

[B]

You cannot imagine. And your daughter, Aoki, specifically, has been kind of vocal about having drama. Drama with her father. When she kind of made that public. How did you feel about that?

[A]

It hurt me a lot for her. Just like I was just saying about Kenzo. I kind of felt it in my stomach. And I think you feel for your kids and in this day and age. There we go again with that. Because back in the day and had this. But I think nowadays things play out more in the public eye and more kind of immediate. And you can press this thing on your phone and it goes live and it starts flashing this thing. And then you could see anything you wanted. Like, how crazy is that? Right now someone could pull my phone, just press record, and I could just put it right here. And the whole world could just see, like, what we were doing right now. And that would be so cool to them. And in fact, I do that sometimes. We all do that sometimes, right? And it's the coolest thing. But, like, think about that. If that's a breakup or a fight or parents or whatever. Even though I will say he's just. That's a category and a whole thing on its own. And that pains me as a mom, but I just try to be there for her and try to support her. She's super smart. I think we've all seen that. She graduated early from Harvard. She's deeply thinking and feeling she's not a liar, she's not lying. But that was definitely a time and I felt, I. I felt for her. What could I say? I'm right there in the trenches with my kids at all times. I know what goes on. I think they're very protective of me and of the family unit as well. And I'm sure sometimes that feels like it could be a burden for any kid. I'm sure it's a whole mind, mind thing. And I'm right there with them throughout it all.

[B]

Aoki also had some other press they have to ask you about, which I, I was shocked.

[A]

Which one?

[B]

The. With the 65 year old man. Oh my gosh. Are you gonna talk about it on the show? It was a big deal, like for pop culture, by the way. Like it really exploded. I feel like everyone saw it. Everyone saw it. Those. I.

[A]

Why is it a big deal though? Because if you look back.

[B]

Okay, well, first, because it's like, why is this stunning, young, hot, beautiful.

[A]

True, but you see that all the time. Maybe we don't count these, these ages. I don't think we count these ages of people of what they really are.

[B]

I mean, it's not like she was seen with like Leonardo DiCaprio, you know what I mean? It was like a 65 year old.

[A]

Like, isn't that the same as like Leo? He's gonna say, I am now 65. I don't look like that. You're right. I'm not saying that about Leo. I'm not saying, I'm sorry, Leo. I'm not saying that. But I just meant older man to.

[B]

Me, that's it all. Was this when she was traveling during a year filming?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, it wasn't the same travel time.

[A]

Like that was like a couple years ago already. I feel like that was a while ago.

[B]

That was 2024, like April 2024.

[A]

2026.

[B]

Yeah, April 2024. So like a year and a half ago.

[A]

Yeah. Well, a few months will be even April again, so it'll be two.

[B]

Two years.

[A]

Yeah, that was a while ago. We didn't know. We didn't.

[B]

You didn't discuss it on the show. What was your reaction to that in real time?

[A]

I let my kids make their own mistakes. Like I said. That's the whole thing we were saying about living out your life and in public. And I think that's very, very, very tough. I don't even think that was a moment for them though. Or I should say the opposite. I think it was just that moment. I don't think it was anything else. I didn't even know this. First of all, I know this guy, but I didn't know this guy in that capacity, like with my kid or that you were even dating my kid or even I know this guy growing up myself. He's a restaurateur. Like, I, I, I don't know. You know, I don't want to get into troubles legally, but I think, I think his reputation probably precedes him. Is that okay to say legally? I think reputation precedes you. So I was learning some of these things as I went along too.

[B]

And I was like, were you like, what the helly are you doing, Taoki?

[A]

Or no, I was, but I didn't say it in that way because it was this fast that it blew up to be so much. And so then you can't be the mom that's like, what the hell are you doing? But that definitely was the thing. But it went from zero to a hundred really quick. And I was like, yoki, I didn't even know this was a thing. Yeah, I didn't even know this was a thing. I found out when the world found out. So that was what was so shocking. And you can't say as a mom and I've learned all these crazy things. You can't give the I told you so right now. You can't give the what the hell are you doing right now? You can't give all those things right now.

[B]

She was going through it.

[A]

Yeah. It was a lot.

[B]

It was a lot for her.

[A]

Yeah. But I do think in general of those kind of things. I think I feel like and having gone through not exactly the same, but similar. That big age gap relationship. Let's just call it that. I do think it's predatorial. We said all of that to get to what Kimora thinks about it. I think that's predatorial. Kind of crazy.

[B]

Totally jumping to you. Are you single?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You're single. Are you dating?

[A]

No.

[B]

You're not?

[A]

No.

[B]

You're still in your mama only era.

[A]

I never thought of it like that. I never thought of it as mama only.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I'm still in. I'm always going to be in that era. So I don't know if it's mama only, but I'm still in.

[B]

I don't know if it's just not telling me that you're dating and you are.

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay. I'm just, Just not into that.

[A]

Not actively seeking. Yes. Not actively.

[B]

And do they. Because you're six feet tall. I'm Six, four in my heels and plus heels. Do you try that?

[A]

Try that.

[B]

So do you. Do they need to be taller?

[A]

Oh, if I would.

[B]

If they date somebody. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

No way. I have three baby daddies. Look at them. Well, okay. No, that's not true. I was gonna.

[B]

None of them are above. None of them.

[A]

They are. They are. We won't do that. Okay. First one was short, like a frog. Like fog. Five, nine, I call him. And the second one is six. That's Kenzo's dad. He's six two. And Wolfie's dad is six, probably three or four. So two of them were tall, but.

[B]

No one was taller than you. No one was taller than you? Yeah.

[A]

No two of them were taller than me. I'm 6ft, but not in my heels and I do count that. I'm not letting that go. I'm not letting my six, four in my heels go. They're taller than me at six feet. But I don't care about height.

[B]

You don't care?

[A]

I don't care about any of that. I don't really. Growing up, I was never the friend that like had to have the male model or Adonis looking thing like that.

[B]

So what is your type?

[A]

I like brains. I like intelligence. Like I want to be able to talk. That's why I don't understand these men that want to. You know that you're 162 and you want to talk to a 5 year old. I don't understand that. What they're talking about.

[B]

I'm so glad that baby fat is back and thriving.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Because I remember because I'm 88 and like, so I was like. When baby fat came on the scene, like I couldn't afford it then, but like it was like the thing. It was a thing and fat was the thing. It's like fat pH. You know, like you coined that thing. You know what I mean? Hot and tempting, like people.

[A]

I didn't actually make it up because people are always really clear to say like what you did and what you didn't do.

[B]

So what did it feel like when you reacquired it after. After some years?

[A]

There's a lot. It's always very emotional because it's like your baby. You don't even want to sell it or get rid of it in first place. But we did, we built it, we sold it. That was a crazy deal at that time. It was a historical deal. Even now today, I think there's only been a handful of deals like that at that level that were done so.

[B]

It reminded me kind of like Taylor Swift, like, buying her master.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know what I mean? It was like that energy. It's.

[A]

It's emotional. It's like your first baby. You. You. It's hard to let it go. And then once you let it go, you're kind of subject to rules and regulations of others and what they think. Usually that's a marriage of the minds, but sometimes it can be a little bit difficult. So I. I sold it. I stayed a while as an officer of the company. Quite a while. Some many years. And then we eventually parted ways, and then I didn't have her for a while, and I did quite a few other things, but I always wanted her back.

[B]

And you got her back.

[A]

I got her back. Always just emotional. Yeah. It's like buying back your masters.

[B]

When you first started, you had, like, these huge Runway shows and, like, New York Fashion Week. Are you. Do you have any plans? You think New York Fashion Week, by the way, is, like, still what it was? Because I feel like in the last couple of years.

[A]

No, I feel like it is a thing. New York Fashion Week, of course. But I don't feel like it's what it was 25 years ago when we were doing it. No. Then it was, like, big lights, lights, stage, sound, lights, camera, action. Now it's a little bit different, and I think that's because the schedule of the calendar itself kind of moves, rotates. Everybody's not necessarily adhering to the same calendar. Lots of things have changed over the years, and, like, some for the better and some for the worse.

[B]

So is there somebody, like, if you would bring it back, like, on the Runway or bring it back to New York Fashion Week?

[A]

Yeah, I would bring baby fat back.

[B]

Yeah. Would you want, like, who would you want to guess?

[A]

Guest.

[B]

Guest walk like you used to do with, like, Missy Elliot.

[A]

So many.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I don't know. Who now.

[B]

Who now. Who you hot for now?

[A]

Rada.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was thinking, like, making the stallion.

[B]

Oh, Megan. Thee Stallion.

[A]

Or I was thinking, like, Megan Fox.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So I'm all over the place for.

[B]

A lot of reasons. Those were such good.

[A]

I mean, I'm a caster. That's what I do. I cast women. So I'm thinking I'm all over the place with these thoughts, but those are some good.

[B]

Those were really, really good ones. Anything go on. But, yeah, fun up and coming that you want to tease for the brand coming.

[A]

I know that you had a 25. Well, not.

[B]

We had.

[A]

I had. Well, we recently celebrated 25 years of baby fat. And so I have a 25 year edition varsity jacket with all the patches and the logos. It's like a classic varsity jacket. I should have worn it. I should have brought you one. I should have done all these things, but I got off the plane and I've been a little bit crazy. But I'm gonna send you. And I didn't bring myself one either, which I would have.

[B]

Oh, you would have worn it, like, instead of the bomber.

[A]

You have to see it.

[B]

Oh. Because on the show I'm gonna send you one.

[A]

Would you wear that? It has a lot of patches. Because it's like Y2K.

[B]

I will 100.

[A]

If you don't wear that, someone will steal it.

[B]

I will wear it. You guys. How fucking iconic. Kimora back in the fab Lane is on E. Airs Tuesdays at 10:00pm yes. We love to see it. We love to have you back on our screens. Thank you for you and your cute family.

[A]

This has been a lot of fun. Yay. Not skinny, not fat. And I wondered why it was called that, but I kind of feel like.

[B]

Now you get it.

[A]

Well, I feel like it's me because I.

[B]

First of all, it's.

[A]

We work through this whole thing here. You guys.

[B]

We did it. The supermodel says, like, we'll roll with it. We'll give it to you. No, we'll empathize with what you know.

[A]

Even a supermodel has her moments.

[B]

I'm sure. I'm sure.

[A]

As her kids know.

[B]

I'm sure.

[A]

Mom is a mama. Is a mama.

[B]

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