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Episode: A new James Baldwin biography asks how the writer’s lovers might’ve shaped him
Host: Chloe Weiner (with guest Michelle Martin)
Guest: Nicholas Boggs (author of "A Love Story")
Date: October 22, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode features a conversation with author and scholar Nicholas Boggs, who presents his biography, A Love Story, about James Baldwin. The discussion revisits Baldwin's formative years in Harlem, his relationships—both platonic and romantic—and how those shaped his activism and literary legacy. Boggs urges readers to see Baldwin’s central message as one of a complex, risky, but ultimately transformative love, and positions his queer and Black identities as central to understanding his influence.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Baldwin’s Early Life and Influences

• Harlem Roots: The hosts and Boggs visit James Baldwin Place in Harlem, noting his family's frequent moves due to financial instability and being part of a large family (oldest of nine).
  • “Like a lot of people without money, you get kicked out of places you have to move.” (Michelle Martin, 01:47)
• Transformative Mentorship: Baldwin’s 5th-grade teacher, Bill Miller, recognized his intelligence and became a formative influence by exposing him to the arts.
  • “She took it upon herself to take him out and eventually she became part of the family.” (Nicholas Boggs, 02:17)
• Early Intellectualism: Baldwin found solace in reading at the Harlem branch of the New York Public Library, now the Schomburg Center.
  • “He said that by the time he was like 15, he had read everything in the library. And so it was a sanctuary for him. And it was life changing.” (Nicholas Boggs, 02:36)

2. Baldwin as a Public Intellectual

• Media Presence and Influence: Baldwin’s 1963 Time magazine cover symbolized his stature during the civil rights movement.
• Cultural Network: His friendships spanned leading figures like Marlon Brando, Maya Angelou, Nina Simone, and Harry Belafonte.
  • “When it came to black America, there’d never been anything quite like that in this country.” (Nicholas Boggs, 03:57)
• Sample of Baldwin’s Rhetoric: Archived audio from Baldwin illustrates his critique of American racial “innocence.”
  • “I don't want to be given anything by you. I just want you to leave me alone so I can do it myself.” (James Baldwin, 03:39)

3. Centrality of Love in Baldwin’s Thought

• Love as Liberation: Boggs highlights Baldwin’s grounding of his activism and writing in love—challenging, transformative, and necessary for liberation.
  • “His message was a message about love...only love will throw open the gates to liberation.” (Nicholas Boggs, 04:13)
  • “He thought that blacks and whites had to come together like lovers...and really excavate the past and the present, come to a kind of mutual recognition and understanding.” (Nicholas Boggs, 04:19)
• Facing America’s Past: Emphasizes Baldwin’s insistence on confronting, not erasing, the legacy of slavery and ongoing racial innocence.

4. Intersections of Race, Gender, and Sexuality

• Ahead of His Time: Although now termed “intersectionality,” Baldwin openly connected various forms of oppression, especially racism and homophobia.
  • “He talked about how race as a form of oppression doesn't live alone. It's connected to all these other forms of oppression around sexuality, around gender.” (Michelle Martin, 04:50)
• Sexual Identity: Baldwin saw confronting his sexuality as essential to his freedom as a writer and individual.
  • “He said, when he asked why he wrote Giovanni's Ruin, he said if I hadn't written this novel, I don't know if I could have ever written again...So this is how he kind of rejected these systems of domination in terms of these identities.” (Nicholas Boggs, 05:25)

5. Emotional and Creative Struggles

• Periods of Hardship: The hosts discuss moments when Baldwin struggled with publication, projects, and personal life, showing his humanity.
• Chosen Family and Love Across Borders: Forced by racism and homophobia to live abroad, Baldwin built a “kinship network” beyond blood relations—a core subject in Boggs’ book.
  • “He had to construct these alternative kinship structures. Right. So Jeuffer Delaney was his spiritual father then Lucien Habersberger, his first great love in Paris...they became like family.” (Nicholas Boggs, 06:28)
  • “He also provides a model for, like, a kind of expansive sort of erotic and platonic life with other people that can move in and out of these different iterations.” (Nicholas Boggs, 07:12)

6. Baldwin’s Enduring Legacy

• Legacy of Risky, Difficult Love: Boggs closes with Baldwin’s view that love is an ongoing struggle, both personally and for American society at large.
  • “It is a legacy of love. It's a difficult love, it's a risky love...He always said that love is a battle, love is a war, love is a growing up.” (Nicholas Boggs, 07:36)
  • “The journey that we're on now in America, just reclaim our humanity, is also going to be a battle and a war.” (Nicholas Boggs, 07:52)

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Baldwin’s Early Genius:
  “And he was reading A Tale of Two Cities and so was she. And she was blown away by his intelligence.”
  (Nicholas Boggs, 02:09)

• On Confronting the American Past:
  “He said white Americans have to not pretend that they are innocent. The innocence constitutes the crime.”
  (Nicholas Boggs, 04:37)

• On Sexual and Racial Freedom:
  “You didn't tell me. I told you. That's what he said.”
  (Nicholas Boggs, 05:23)

• On the Risks of Love:
  “Love is a battle, love is a war, love is a growing up.”
  (Nicholas Boggs, 07:41)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Baldwin’s Harlem Origins & Key Mentor: 01:18 – 02:25
• Schomburg Center and Baldwin’s Reading: 02:25 – 02:47
• Public Intellectual & Media Celebrity: 03:05 – 03:57
• Baldwin on Love and Liberation: 04:13 – 04:50
• Intersectionality and Sexuality: 04:50 – 06:11
• Kinship, Love, and Creative Struggles: 06:11 – 07:34
• Legacy of Difficult Love: 07:34 – 08:07

Conclusion

In this intimate conversation, Nicholas Boggs reframes James Baldwin’s public and private lives through the lens of love—romantic, platonic, and revolutionary. By centering the people who sustained Baldwin and the expansive, risky nature of his affections, Boggs urges us to see Baldwin not only as a crusader for racial justice, but as a model for forging authentic, loving ties across boundaries of identity. For listeners and readers alike, A Love Story promises a nuanced understanding of how love—difficult, complex, but necessary—shaped one of America’s greatest writers.