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Andrew Limbong
Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbong. The music festival economy is a bit in flux these days, particularly small ones. Whether we're talking about experimental music festivals in the desert or the bluegrass festival by me, a bunch of them have had to cancel because it just didn't make dollars and cents. But the big ones are still around, and one of the biggest is Lollapalooza, which started in 1991 and had a massive impact on rock music, music Fe and popular culture at large. Richard Beanstalk and Tom Bourgeois are two music writers behind a new oral history of Lollapalooza titled Lollapalooza the Uncensored Story of Alternative Rock's Wildest Festival. And in this interview with NPR's A. Martinez, yeah, they talk about the wacky hijinks that happened on stage, but also about the kind of idealistic vision at the root of the festival. That's ahead.
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A. Martinez
Guaranteed in the early 1990s, American rock music was just beginning to emerge from the hair metal era, and one of the most influential bands to lead the transition was Jane's Addiction. Just as Jane's Addiction was starting to gain traction, though, the constantly feuding band announced their final tour in 1991. Frontman Perry Farrell invited some of his favorite bands to hit the road with them, and he called the traveling music show Lollapalooza. And it was chaos right from the start.
Richard Beanstalk
They come out on stage the first night and the two principal members, Perry Farrell and Dave Navarro, start brawling on stage.
A. Martinez
That's Richard Beanstalk. He's one of the editors of a new oral history of Lollapalooza. Tom Bojour is the co editor. He added that the band Nine Inch Nails also had a rough first show.
Tom Bourgeois
You're going to get what you deserve. The entire Nine Inch Nails musical system is plugged into this one electrical Dropbox, and it just shorts out and Trent Reznor freaks out, smashes his equipment. Everybody else smashes their equipment instead of.
A. Martinez
Folding on day one, Lollapalooza went on to define what rock would become in the 1990s. Richard Beanstalk and Tom Bojoire interviewed hundreds of people responsible for making that traveling circus possible, including its founder, Perry Farrell.
Tom Bourgeois
His vision was really to represent a diverse set of bands, which he did. He had Ice T, Susie and the Banshees, but also a diverse set of ideas. So that's why he developed the idea of having all of these booths and tents around where he would hopefully, as he said, have the NRA next to Greenpeace and really showcase opposing ideas. You know, that he. He was really idealistic and maybe unrealistic, but that was his brief. He really wanted to make something where different ideas came into contact with each other.
A. Martinez
It was exciting, chaotic, a lot of fights, a lot of drugs. What's your favorite story that you heard from the people you interviewed?
Tom Bourgeois
There is, like, a lot of very, very weird stuff. I think the strangest thing that happened was in 1994 when the band L7, who were an all female punk rock band, teamed up with Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. And they were so bored that they decided to create paper mache cars and wigs and reenacted the Kennedy assassination on stage. And not only on stage, but in Dallas. And it went over very badly. That really sort of shows off the kind of bad judgment and cabin fever that can occur when you spend eight weeks on a bus.
A. Martinez
Richard, you were there, right? You were there the first three years. So, I mean. I mean, it lasted for actually maybe longer than anyone would have thought, considering how it started. How did Lollapalooza eventually find its footing?
Richard Beanstalk
I think that even with all the technical type difficulties that we're talking about on the first night, Perry had a great vision. Some of the other organizers, like these were people that were prose and were pretty keyed into the scene. Some of it is also just being right place, right time. Lollapalooza 1991 happens less than a month after it finishes, Nirvana's Nevermind comes out. So by the summer of 1992, alternative music is fully mainstream, and Lollapalooza is fully in the center of that.
A. Martinez
And Richard, one of the unique things, though, about Lollapalooza is that it really tried to cross boundaries and mix genres. Ice T on the first tour, along with his heavy metal band, then Ice Cube, Coolio, Snoot, they all played Lollapalooza. What was the idea behind bringing all of these genres together in one place?
Richard Beanstalk
It really was a unique thing at the time. And now it's something that we just kind of take for granted. I mean, if you look at any of these Festivals, Coachella, Bonnaroo. It's hip hop and pop and rock and all these things right next to each other. But that was not happening in 1991. And again, that was one of the main conceits of Lollapalooza, that you could do something like this. So the fact that they were doing it should not be underestimated. It really was a unique thing at the time.
A. Martinez
Yeah. And the thing is, too, like with Perry Farrell, as much as he was the genius and inspiration behind Lollapalooza, if he had gotten his way on certain decisions when it comes to lineup, there might not have been Pearl Jam at Lollapalooza in 1992, there might not have been Green Day at Lollapalooza. I mean, how many creative clashes were there when it came to figuring out who exactly would be at Lollapalooza? Tom?
Tom Bourgeois
I think that there was a lot of behind the scenes friction. And the founders say to us, you know, we were music snobs. So they really did not book a lot of the sort of more popular alternative rock bands of the era. So there was a constant push and pull between what was cool, what was commercial enough. And of course, this sort of ends up with the festival booking Metallica as a headliner in 1996, which is pretty much considered the moment when Lollapalooza jumps the shark. Perry Farrell is so incensed by Metallica being made the headliner that he actually steps down from the festival altogether. And while it does draw more people, it really doesn't do that well because of the increased cost. And it never really recovers the gleam of being this alternative bastion and sort of North Star?
A. Martinez
Richard, considering that you were there as a teenager watching the first few shows, is this book a bit of a love letter to Lollapalooza as opposed to the uncensored story of Lollapalooza?
Richard Beanstalk
I think in some ways it probably is. I think even if you love something, if you just show that side of it, then you're not really showing much anyway. So within all of the gritty details, I think that the. The real personality of it comes out, and hopefully that's what we captured.
Tom Bourgeois
It's also a little bit wistful because according to all of the people involved with the festival, given the economics of touring now, a festival like this that would tour around the country with this many artists of that stature is actually impossible to do. So it's really an artifact of a bygone time. It's not going to happen again. So it's a celebration of something that can't be reproduced.
A. Martinez
Richard Beanstalk and Tom Bossier co wrote Lollapalooza, the Uncensored Story of Alternative Rock's Wildest Festival. Richard Tom, thanks for taking us back.
Richard Beanstalk
Thanks for having us.
Tom Bourgeois
Thank you so much for having us.
A. Martinez
Lollapalooza does still exist, but now it's just a four day affair in Chicago's Grant park with a few international spinoffs.
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NPR's Book of the Day: A New Oral History of Lollapalooza Recalls the Alt-Rock Music Festival's Wildest Days
Release Date: April 10, 2025
NPR's Book of the Day delves into the tumultuous and transformative history of Lollapalooza through the lens of Richard Beanstalk and Tom Bourgeois, the music writers behind the newly released oral history, Lollapalooza: The Uncensored Story of Alternative Rock's Wildest Festival. Hosted by A. Martinez, the episode provides an engaging exploration of the festival's inception, rise to prominence, internal struggles, and lasting legacy in the landscape of rock music and popular culture.
Andrew Limbong sets the stage by highlighting the precarious state of the music festival economy, particularly smaller festivals facing cancellations due to financial strains. In contrast, Lollapalooza, one of the largest and most influential festivals, continues to thrive. Launched in 1991 by Perry Farrell of Jane's Addiction, Lollapalooza was envisioned as a traveling music show that would feature a diverse array of alternative rock bands, pushing the boundaries of genre and cultural interaction.
The initial days of Lollapalooza were marked by chaos and unpredictability. Richard Beanstalk recounts witnessing firsthand the onstage turmoil:
“They come out on stage the first night and the two principal members, Perry Farrell and Dave Navarro, start brawling on stage.” [02:01]
Similarly, Tom Bourgeois describes the tumultuous debut of Nine Inch Nails:
“Trent Reznor freaks out, smashes his equipment. Everybody else smashes their equipment instead of.” [02:20]
These early incidents underscored the volatile energy that characterized the festival's atmosphere, setting the tone for what was to become a defining movement in alternative rock.
At the heart of Lollapalooza was Perry Farrell's idealistic vision of cultural and musical diversity. Bourgeois explains Farrell's ambition to create a space where opposing ideas could coexist:
“He developed the idea of having all of these booths and tents around where he would hopefully, as he said, have the NRA next to Greenpeace and really showcase opposing ideas.” [02:53]
This approach extended beyond music, aiming to foster dialogue and interaction among varied ideological groups, making the festival a melting pot of cultural expressions.
Bourgeois shares some of the most bizarre and memorable events that occurred during the festival's history. One standout story involves the 1994 collaboration between the all-female punk band L7 and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds:
“They decided to create paper mache cars and wigs and reenacted the Kennedy assassination on stage. And not only on stage, but in Dallas. And it went over very badly.” [03:36]
This incident exemplifies the extreme creativity and occasional misjudgment that flourished in the festival's intense environment.
Despite a rocky start, Lollapalooza quickly became a cornerstone of the 1990s alternative music scene. Beanstalk attributes part of its success to timing and Farrell's unwavering vision:
“Lollapalooza 1991 happens less than a month after it finishes, Nirvana's Nevermind comes out. So by the summer of 1992, alternative music is fully mainstream, and Lollapalooza is fully in the center of that.” [04:33]
However, as the festival grew, so did internal friction among its organizers. Bourgeois highlights the tension between maintaining artistic integrity and pursuing commercial success:
“There was a lot of behind the scenes friction... a constant push and pull between what was cool, what was commercial enough.” [06:14]
This struggle culminated in the controversial decision to headline Metallica in 1996, a move that Perry Farrell strongly opposed. Farrell's departure marked a significant turning point, leading to increased costs and a shift away from Lollapalooza's original alternative roots.
Beanstalk and Bourgeois reflect on the festival's enduring impact and the nostalgic sentiment surrounding it. Beanstalk acknowledges the affectionate portrayal in their book while striving for an authentic recounting:
“Within all of the gritty details, I think that the real personality of it comes out, and hopefully that's what we captured.” [07:20]
Bourgeois adds a wistful perspective, recognizing that the economic landscape of touring today makes a festival of Lollapalooza's original scale unfeasible:
“It's really an artifact of a bygone time. It's not going to happen again. So it's a celebration of something that can't be reproduced.” [07:37]
In wrapping up, Martinez notes that Lollapalooza continues to exist but has transformed into a more conventional four-day event based in Chicago's Grant Park, with a few international editions. This evolution contrasts sharply with its original itinerant and eclectic spirit, underscoring the changes in the music festival industry.
Lollapalooza: The Uncensored Story of Alternative Rock's Wildest Festival offers a comprehensive and candid look into the festival's dynamic history. Through interviews with key figures and firsthand accounts, Beanstalk and Bourgeois capture the essence of Lollapalooza's rise, its peak influence on alternative music, and the eventual compromises that altered its course. This oral history serves as both a tribute and a critical examination of a festival that once epitomized the rebellious and transformative spirit of 1990s rock culture.
Notable Quotes:
Richard Beanstalk on early onstage chaos: “They come out on stage the first night and the two principal members, Perry Farrell and Dave Navarro, start brawling on stage.” [02:01]
Tom Bourgeois on Nine Inch Nails' rough debut: “Trent Reznor freaks out, smashes his equipment. Everybody else smashes their equipment instead of.” [02:20]
Bourgeois on Major Incidents: “They decided to create paper mache cars and wigs and reenacted the Kennedy assassination on stage. And not only on stage, but in Dallas. And it went over very badly.” [03:36]
Richard Beanstalk on timing and success: “Lollapalooza 1991 happens less than a month after it finishes, Nirvana's Nevermind comes out. So by the summer of 1992, alternative music is fully mainstream, and Lollapalooza is fully in the center of that.” [04:33]
Tom Bourgeois on the festival's irreplaceable nature: “It's really an artifact of a bygone time. It's not going to happen again. So it's a celebration of something that can't be reproduced.” [07:37]
This episode of Book of the Day is a must-listen for music enthusiasts and cultural historians alike, offering an insightful and entertaining recounting of one of rock music's most legendary festivals.